IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-09-16

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rm_workGeneralAntilles: for me, text messages are 50/50. and i've found I can at least answer calls if i'm expecting them (or hang up if i somehow managed to receive or send a call) by using bluetooth controls from a headset or my car. :P01:45
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faenilanyone awake? :D01:53
alteregoGonna need to install the Fremantle Qt SDK at some point to steal the Madde toolchain and sysroot.01:58
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faenilanyone know someone who could host me in Munich for dev days? or is anyone landing at memmingen? :D02:00
alteregoWow, is it that late already02:01
alteregoWell, prototypes my singleton application code.02:01
alteregoprototyped ..02:01
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javispedroaha, managed to issue a reset to metawatch from linux03:24
javispedro"mspdebug" > 0.17 works quite well03:25
javispedro* >=03:25
javispedrofinally sending graphics to it...03:34
javispedrothe framerate is weird, because if you send too much stuff, the watch crashes03:34
javispedroby experimentation I've found around 25ms per each two lines updated avoids crashes03:35
javispedrotherefore, 40 fps if all you update is two lines per frame, which is not bad...03:36
javispedrobut that is not realistic...03:36
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: you should've joined and registered chan prior to suggesting04:44
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, lol I was in there earlier.06:15
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, hopefully they'll file a contact form anyway.06:15
DocScrutinizerfile what?06:16
GeneralAntillesTo get MetaWatch setup as a contact organization06:17
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DocScrutinizeroh IRC GC06:37
DocScrutinizerthey didn't even manage to have a proper impressum on their website ;-P06:38
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DocScrutinizerand the register confirmation mail was all-HTML and consequently ended in my spam folder06:39
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sivangxarcass: you hate iPhone? :)10:33
sivang, all10:33
sivang(bad CR day, so damn HOT in here)10:33
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ajalkaneI've used iPhone for 30 seconds.10:41
ajalkaneI was, like, OMG ! Smooth!10:41
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ajalkaneI hope the N9 whenever it comes can come close to that in smoothness.10:42
TronicIt doesn't.10:42
TroniciPhone remains the only device capable of solid 60 FPS.10:42
Stskeepsn9 does 60fps very well, too, though10:42
sivangajalkane: already there in alpha/beta on the N95010:42
ajalkanesivang: with that I disagree.10:43
sivangTronic: question is, on what resolution and bandwidth? :)10:43
TronicStskeeps: Store and other apps suffer of severe slowdowns, unlike their iPhone counterparts.10:43
sivangTronic: specific apps not related to the core platform.10:43
Tronicsivang: Might be related to core platform, even down to Linux.10:43
sivangTronic: and being fixed constantly, I had troubles with some OVI apps on N8/E7 and they got all fixed and are quick and snappy now10:44
sivangTronic: store?10:44
TronicI suspect that it might be very difficult if not impossible to make Linux run smoothly 100 % of the time.10:44
TronicIt simply isn't designed to do that.10:44
xarcassmen, that smoothness of the iphone doesn't come cheap, believe me10:44
Tronic(even on desktop)10:44
sivangTronic: what's in linux that Darwin's kernel does not to slow down?10:44
TronicLinux has always suffered of long latency spikes on PC.10:45
ajalkanexarcass: I do believe. In that I'd never get an iPhone as long as N9 is an alternate (or any Android device for that matter :))10:45
sivangI was once young in Maemo, and I constantly asked - "how come it is so smooth", people taught me to ask what resolutio is it pushing, what's the bandwidth, what happens in the background (quite limited in iphone)10:45
TronicOnly in the last few years have people seriously attempted to fix these issues (latencytop, getting rid of the big kernel lock, etc) but much work remains to be done.10:46
sivangTronic: so kernel lock is the problem? is it the same with Android?10:47
sivangfor me, store or not, N950 is smooth as an iPhone but does better stuff and allows my much better multi tasking.10:47
Tronicsivang: Android also suffers of JVM garbage collection, on top of the kernel level issues.10:47
xarcassajalkane: i'd never buy iphone, because it would look like gynecologist buying a vagina, just for home use :)10:47
sivangah right java..10:47
djszapixarcass: ha ha .. :D10:48
sivangxarcass: wow10:48
ajalkanexarcass: poetic :)10:48
sivangxarcass: that's deep10:48
sivanglet's just say, that the paradigm where someone "knows" what's best for you is rapidaly decaying.10:48
sivangthe N9 UX is based on numerous data mining of user's needs and usage habits, and as a such, not requiring a button nor making it different to use either in right or left hand,10:49
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sivangis already much surpassing apple in their faschistic design methodology :)10:49
djszapihi faenil o/10:50
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sivanghey faenil10:51
sivangreally, the N9 is amazing. piece of art.10:51
hiemanshusivang: you got one?10:52
ajalkaneoh sure it is, and I intend to get one when I have enough dough10:52
faenilI just want the fw updaaaaate10:52
djszapiit does not have too long future from what I can say though..10:52
ajalkanewho cares about future. The world ends in 2012.10:52
djszapiand we could not unfortunately finish quite a few bugs because of the manpower lack. I regret that.10:52
faenildjszapi what do u mean? bug in the fw?10:53
ajalkanejust open source all of it and community fixes the rest :-P10:53
sivanghiemanshu: I wish, I have an N950 but I met someone from Nokia that had it for testing, and I played with it heavily.10:53
sivangajalkane: same here.10:53
hiemanshuah nice10:53
djszapifaenil: yeah, a lot.10:54
sivangajalkane: 2012, LOL10:54
faenildamnit xD10:54
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sivangI might be on drugs, but I think we have not seen the least of Linux within Nokia (my personal view alone) and harmattan will be the base for it.10:55
ajalkanesivang: That'd require Rich Green storming back and throwing Elop out10:56
djszapifaenil: I will try to rent out double beds room, and if I can manage it you can sleep there :) I will see it next week whether I get the reservation i nadvance or I can do it =)10:56
jrezniksivang: what's the new of the drug? :) I want one dose too!10:56
sivangjreznik: lol10:56
faenildjszapi: what do you mean you'll try to rent out? are you trying some magic trick? XD10:56
sivangjreznik: I guess you call it "belief" :)10:57
faenildjszapi: I have found some nice workarounds for the flights xD10:57
faeniloptions are10:58
sivangajalkane: How can we be sure this is not going to happen? sure the company is going through uneasy times, and I think it should be allowed to explore options, the WP7 has already been rumored to be delayed, while harmattan needs more bug fix work while the core platform and meat of product is there.10:58
djszapifaenil: workaround for the flights ? :) I meant to say that since my company will prolly sponsor the room, I do not care about the prices :)10:58
faenil45€ by plane, but I land on 23rd, and I have to stay the night awake at Stansted London10:58
djszapithat is managable :)10:58
faenildjszapi: well, that's great!! :D10:58
sivangdjszapi, faenil : are you guys talking about dev days?10:58
faenilsivang: yes10:59
djszapisivang yup :)10:59
faenilby train: 75€, and I arrive on 24th morning, 6am, directly in Munich10:59
sivangah, I wish I was in EU, it could then be so easy...10:59
faenilplane is 45, but I have to pay for the night of 23rd, train is 75€ but I arrive on 24th10:59
grifaenil: 75 € from MUC or memmingen?11:00
grior what?11:00
djszapifaenil: I would sleep at the airport.11:00
faenil75€ Pisa-Munich11:00
grioh ok :)11:00
griif it would have been some taxi fee, I had offered to drive you cheaper :P11:01
faenildjszapi: not a bad idea actually, the problem is I'm a tough guy when it comes to sleeping...I can't sleep in those situations xD11:01
faenilgri: we' trying to pay as low as possible, TAXI doesn't exist in my mind xD11:01
ajalkanesivang: antyhing is possible, but as Elops been cutting Meego/Harmattan team down with axe, it'11:02
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ajalkanes hard to restart the development11:02
djszapifaenil: or B plan, to get to know some nice woman there :)11:02
faenilehehe already engaged xD11:02
faenilbut that a nice idea ;)11:02
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djszapisee how big hazzle to have a gf ? :p11:02
hiemanshudjszapi: is that why you are 'Forever Alone'11:03
* hiemanshu runs11:03
* xarcass thinks that for several nights for free woman shouldn't even be very nice11:05
djszapihiemanshu: yeah, that is why I would like :)11:05
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hiemanshudjszapi: you mean s/why/what/11:05
gridjszapi: Now I know why the peregrine guy failed with the contextproperty setting for the observed conversation. Each context property can have exactly one source - which is the messaging app and nothing different ...11:05
faenilbut he said that could be a list11:07
grithe concept seems to be: provider and subscriber. Provider can only be one application11:08
griso I'd kill the messaging app and register mine - sucks :/11:08
sivangajalkane: if I was working on harmattan, and I get cut down, and then the company changes management and asks me to come back to resume working, if I did not already enroll in a new open source related, world changing job, I think I would have no issue to go back.11:09
djszapigri: I thought there could be several providers, does not make sense to have such restriction11:09
sivangajalkane: because working on harmattan changes the world, supports open source as an side effect and brings sanity to being connected on the go. (not to mention prolonged battery life)11:10
gridjszapi: If so, what happens when two apps set one key?11:10
grilast wins?11:10
djszapito be honest, I am busy now, and it is not really my area, I just tried to  dig myself into this =)11:11
djszapito help you with ;)11:11
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ajalkanesivang: Maybe. But its hard to say how much the employees who've been in that situation have anymore trust in Nokia corp11:11
grithank you anyway :)11:11
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sivangajalkane: that is something else,true.11:13
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gridjszapi: I think you're right. The ContextPropertyInfo holds a list of providers. And it makes sense to have only one observed conversation since there can only be one active application running in fullscreen .. so I think I just have to create a second xml file declaring the property and register it11:18
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djszapigri: sure, if you cannot manage it, I can help later tonight, but I need to do my dictionary application for now :p11:20
sivangtime to get something to eat.11:22
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gridjszapi: Got it, no vibrate, no ringtone anymore :) It seems the short beep has to be played manually12:10
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radiofreesivang: you're trying to provide something for Messaging.ObservedConversation?13:07
radiofreesorry, gri ^13:07
griradiofree: Already works13:08
radiofreeok :)13:08
griJust had to add my own .context file to contextkit and register the dbus service13:08
grithen everything went fine13:09
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alteregoAnyone happen to know how to bring a window that is in the background to the foreground?13:23
alteregoI've tried "showMaximized" but it doesn't work :/13:23
sandst1alterego: justasec, i've got that somewhere in my codes..13:25
alteregosandst1: I fixed it with a hide() then a showMaximized(), but if there's a "proper" way :)13:26
sandst1alterego: do you want to bring a window on top of an app or an app on top on the whole system..?13:27
alteregoApp ontop of the whole system.13:27
sandst1alterego: ok. I'm using activatewindow() and then a call to raise()13:28
alteregoAh, raise ..13:28
MohammadAGalterego, activateWindow()13:28
alteregoacitvateWindow seems to work slightly differently with plain QApplication (btw, I'm not using MApplication ;)#13:29
alteregoraise did the trick though :)13:29
alteregoThanks sandst113:29
MohammadAGwhy QApplication though?13:29
alteregoBetter than my hack :D13:29
alteregoMohammadAG: because this app isn't meant strictly for Harmattan :P13:29
MohammadAGalterego, I thought you loved ifdefs13:30
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alteregoOnly when necessary :)13:30
sandst1alterego: np13:30
* MohammadAG hates how activateWindow() isn't a slot13:31
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rantomI hear every now and then a "bong" sound (notification) from my N95015:44
Stskeepsit means you have to drink15:44
rantomWhat does that indicate?15:44
dm8tbrit's the signal for 'there is no spoon!'15:45
rantomIs it a bug or feature?15:45
rantomBecause I have no idea what it should indicate15:45
SpeedEvilLow battery?15:45
rantomYeah, I thought about that too since it's happened a few times15:46
Hq`crash reporter?15:46
rantomBut the battery isn't in red15:46
Stskeepsrantom: message while messaging window is open?15:46
rantomAnd it "bonged" again now though it's charging15:46
rantomStskeeps: No15:46
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Hq`if the crash reporter is installed, check if it has stored reports15:48
Hq`iirc that could cause some "boink" sound15:48
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rantomI don't know is it installed15:52
Hq`it's listed in settings->applications if it is15:53
rantomDidn't see it there15:54
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MohammadAGrantom, bong before charging, entering power saver mode16:11
MohammadAGsince it's on charge, chances are it went over the percentage so it exited power saving mode16:11
MohammadAGoh, swiping the virtual kb down closes it, nice16:11
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rantomMohammadAG: Ah, that would explain it16:13
rantomAnd all the other events also when it bonged16:13
MohammadAGalso, is it me or does the browser have a wave effect on the right when scrolling?16:13
rantomMohammadAG: Double-tapping in top of the screen in Terminal hides vkb also16:14
MohammadAGit's like some half scrolls faster than the other16:14
MohammadAGrantom, works when tapping once here16:14
rantomAh, my bad, once16:14
MohammadAGmg-terminal has a settings icon in the top right if you have it installed16:14
MohammadAGoh nice, gotta love Windows16:14
MohammadAGso I move 4GBs of media files into a folder on the windows partition from linux16:15
MohammadAGthen i boot up windows16:15
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hiemanshurantom: nope, its not the blue frowny face16:15
MohammadAGit changed the folder into a file that can't be accessed16:15
hiemanshuin windows 816:15
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rantomhiemanshu: I know, I like it16:15
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Can windows access it?16:15
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, neither can, running a CHKDSK16:16
MohammadAGNTFS needs to die16:16
SpeedEvilIn a fire.16:16
hiemanshuMohammadAG: no, BSO:(16:16
rantomAs in "burning oil rig"?16:16
kkitoMohammadAG: what filesystem are you using?16:16
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MohammadAGext4 on linux16:16
javispedromoo gentlemen.16:17
MohammadAGI wonder if Windows 8 will support ubifs or something for tablets16:17
MohammadAGmoo javispedro16:17
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kkitoMohammadAG: Copy files to a ntfs partition in linux is dangerous16:18
hiemanshuMohammadAG: well they will have an arm arch, so well should be possible to make em support it16:18
hiemanshuor die16:19
SpeedEvilkkito: There are safe ways to so it.16:19
hiemanshukkito: no its not, I have been doing it for ages16:19
SpeedEvilkkito: vmware +windows + samba16:19
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hiemanshuthe only thing is the log file on the NTFS gets fucked up, and windows will check your disc16:19
kkitoSpeedEvil: I mean, copy files directly, mounting the ntfs partition under linux16:19
hiemanshukkito: works for me, every single time16:19
MohammadAGkkito, it's mounted at startup16:20
hiemanshuunless you are using some really old distro with old ntfs 3g drivers16:20
kkitohiemanshu: you are a lucky guy :)16:20
hiemanshukkito: well, works for almost everyone I know16:20
javispedroit's dangerous if it's the boot partition or similar, cause it might destroy security descriptors, etc.16:20
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rantomSamba ftw16:20
hiemanshuI have a NTFS partition with all my music, so linux and windows can access it16:20
javispedrobut it should be pretty safe for a data partition16:20
rantom(And cifs)16:20
javispedroin fact even the in-kernel ntfs driver is safe =)16:21
kkitojavispedro: i don't think so. NTFS is not open docummented16:21
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javispedrokkito: Tuxera does have access to the docs16:21
hiemanshukkito: what driver do you use?16:21
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hiemanshuwith ntfs-3g, works even from a mac16:22
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javispedromoo Doc"Avalance"?16:22
kkitohiemanshu: I use a fat32 partition to swap files between the two OSes16:22
RST38hevening, javispedro16:22
hiemanshukkito: wont work for me, I have mixes that are as big as 8Gs :P16:23
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kkitobut rarely I use windows in home....16:23
MohammadAGhiemanshu, wtf do you listen to?16:24
hiemanshuMohammadAG: rock and trance mostly16:24
hiemanshuMohammadAG: a few trance mixes are as big as 6-8Gs16:24
fiferboyHi djszapi16:27
djszapihello fiferboy16:28
javispedrohelo RST38h16:30
RST38hjavispedro: how are things today?16:32
javispedroI am entertained by this watch thingie16:33
alteregojavispedro: you got your meta watch? :)16:34
fiferboyShh, don't let GeneralAntilles hear that16:35
* SpeedEvil wants a watch based around the samsung memory displays16:36
javispedrohe has =)16:36
* javispedro looks around for a cool rotation Qt logo QML demo or something to run ehre16:36
javispedro*rotating Qt log16:36
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alteregoSpeedEvil: is that like eInk ?]16:40
SpeedEvilThe difference is that it's lower power during update, and you can actually buy panels in small quantity16:42
SpeedEvilAlso it updates faster16:42
fluxbut it's not zero-power during non-update, which eInk apparently is16:42
MohammadAGjavispedro, make one yourself16:43
leinirflux: No, but it's so low power that it really doesn't make much difference16:43
SpeedEvil(4 years on a 2032 cell)16:43
javispedroSpeedEvil: the problem is not the LCD16:43
SpeedEvilI know - BT is an issue too.16:44
javispedroSpeedEvil: this one's reminds me of decades old calculators that also looked "mirrorish"16:44
javispedroand those lasted decades too on a single battery16:44
SpeedEvilBut not with a high-res display16:44
javispedroBT _is_ the issue16:44
fluxjavispedro, they had display on for decades?16:44
fluxmaybe I just haven't seen those16:45
fiferboyjavispedro: How does the watch look out-of-the-box (interface-wise)?16:45
javispedrofiferboy: it prints you the bt mac, btstack version, and generic fw version, so, geeky.16:45
fiferboyThinking about getting the digital model...16:46
javispedrobe warned that you get what you get =)16:46
fiferboyIn a... good way?16:47
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fiferboyThat was a bit of an ominous warning16:47
javispedrodepends on what your use case is =)16:47
Stskeepsjavispedro: what processor is in it?16:47
javispedrofiferboy: just saying _that's_ the interface, and that's about it.16:48
javispedrofiferboy: so, unless you can code something via phone/BT for it..16:48
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MohammadAGNormal person in the street: "What's the time?"16:48
javispedro(or you're familiar with the MSP430, which is the uC inside it)16:48
MohammadAGYou: "Sorry, my watch just crashed"16:48
Stskeepsjavispedro: ok, so it's only programmable over bluetooth?16:48
javispedroStskeeps: it's _not_ programmable over BT :) it's programmable via USB, and then, the program you put there talks via BT16:49
alteregoNo, you can code firmware for it.16:50
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alteregojavispedro: I thought it had a default BT talking thing?16:50
SpeedEvilWhat's the BT draw, when connected?16:50
alteregojavispedro: that allows you to update the display etc?16:50
javispedroalterego: yep, it is basically acts as a remote framebuffer16:50
javispedrowhich is where qml kicks in =)16:50
Stskeepsjavispedro: qt, lighthouse plugin?16:51
Stskeepswayland over bt? ;p16:51
javispedroStskeeps: So far I've reimplemented a QPaintEngine16:51
javispedroStskeeps: and thus you can call render() on a QGV scene16:51
javispedroand it appears on the watch16:51
alteregoStarting to get quite annoyed about this now >:(16:51
javispedrosadly, framerate is not high16:52
javispedroaround 0.4 fps for full updates. but the framerate depends on the number of rows changed16:52
javispedromy QPaintEngine (tries to) do damage tracking, and thus, if you only change a few lines for the scene rate goes up16:52
MohammadAGI'm thinking of a swipe to comment/like/delete interface for my facebook app16:53
MohammadAGthoughts on that?16:53
javispedro*from the scene :)16:53
alteregoThat's it, I'm gonna start ripping crap out.16:53
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javispedroMohammadAG: some builtin app does it like that?16:57
javispedrobtw, does anyone know how can I actually throttle a QDeclarative scene? I want to skip frames if the watch can't keep it.16:57
MohammadAGjavispedro, which one?16:58
javispedroMohammadAG: I mean, I am yet to see what "swipe to comment/like/delete"  is :)16:58
MohammadAGjavispedro, swipe the news feed post to reveal a menu16:58
MohammadAGthe menu would ideally slide in with the direction of the swipe16:59
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RST38hjavispedro: You can run Qt on the watch? With QML? =)17:10
javispedroRST38h: runs on the phone, pushes framebuffer to watch via BT17:10
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rm_workLOL you're pushing an entire FB over BT17:11
rm_workthat's lulzy17:11
javispedroit's 96x96, and as said, I'm doing damage tracking.17:11
rm_workand amazing that it works well enough to be usable (at least to me)17:11
RST38hjavispedroL OMFG the Tentacled One17:12
RST38hmoo rm_you17:12
javispedrorm_work: it's not going to be fast, I'm not expecting anything other than 1 fps17:12
rm_workmoo RST38h17:12
rm_workjavispedro: lol yeah i guess it's a WATCH :P17:12
rm_worknot going to be playing videos on it17:12
javispedrobut when someone asks for the remote media player widget, you will be able to use ... the same qt quick you use for the harmattan media player widget.17:12
rm_workthat's still hilarious17:12
berndhswhat you won't play imax movies on the watch ?17:13
RST38hHow about exporting a terminal to it?17:13
RST38h12x12 CURSES-based display?17:13
rm_workusing chording with the buttons to type on a watch terminal?17:13
RST38hVery economical17:13
RST38hNo, it can be output-only17:13
RST38hEnough for simple status displays17:14
rm_worki guess that might actually be SOMEWHAT useful17:14
rm_workbut i'd assume they already have some sort of API for just displaying text updates?17:14
RST38hyea, would be really easy to code for17:14
rm_workthat would be simpler than putting a whole terminal on17:14
RST38habout the same17:14
RST38hminus the color, the mouse handling, the resize handling, etc17:14
RST38hShould still do a passable vt100 to be usable though17:15
javispedrorm_work: no, no text rendering17:15
javispedroall local17:15
dm8tbrjavispedro: so you're working on the metawatch?17:15
javispedroI guess it should be evident by now =)17:16
dm8tbrjavispedro: if you're pushing bitmaps over bt, then it might be interesting to make the protocol pluggable. the live view does the same :)17:16
javispedroI am trying to do it a bit generic (e.g. it does not assume black&white anywhere), but I don't know much about the liveview protocol17:17
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dm8tbrthere's some python code available17:18
javispedrothere's a QImage, you can set the format you want, and there's a method update(QRegion) you have to implement17:18
dm8tbrit's fairly simple17:18
javispedro(forward the parts of the QImage specific in the QRegion to the watch)17:18
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Stskeepsyeah, also an alternative watch17:20
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dm8tbrI'd love to see the n9 pushing notifications and also ringing alerts17:21
dm8tbrhave no idea where that would plug on the harmattan side though17:21
javispedrohow notifications are done are also quite different seemingly17:22
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javispedrothe LiveView seemingly forces a structure upon you, for the metawatch notification mode is virtually the same as remote framebuffer mode =)17:22
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MohammadAGhow do I get the M::Orientation of the application?17:23
hiemanshuMohammadAG: mtf?17:23
javispedroMohammadAG: dunno about MTF, but you can also bang contextkit directly:
MohammadAGhiemanshu, yes17:24
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hiemanshuno idea then17:24
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dm8tbrah, nice, someone tried the liveview code on the n90017:46
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djszapijavispedro: are you good on the kernel side ?17:47
javispedrodjszapi: why?17:47
djszapiI am trying to set the round robin scheduler algorithm, but I am always getting Operation permitted, but aegis seems to be okay meaning that no complain and I asked for the proper sys_nice capability.17:48
djszapi -> something like this small snippet.17:48
djszapiif I run it on my debian or arch host, it works fine.17:49
javispedrowell, disable aegis and recheck =)17:51
djszapiwell, I basically did.17:52
djszapiand as said, I would know if it was aegis, really ;-)17:52
djszapiI think there is some modification in the scheduler but making the comparison with upstream, it is seems the same.17:52
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djszapiI have not tried on the public N950 image, though. It would be nice if someone could run it there.17:57
djszapijust simply by using the relaxed mode.17:57
javispedrowith relaxed mode it'll never work, as user won't have sys_nice17:57
javispedrobut with my signing tool it does not work either17:57
djszapiwhy not17:58
javispedrosame reason as yours seemingly.17:58
djszapiyou can assign it by using aegis-exec in develsh17:58
djszapiaegis-exec -p 0 -a CAP::sys_nice ./a.out17:58
javispedrothat tends to cause malf in our fws, remember ;)17:58
djszapiinteresting, never caused for me.17:58
djszapiat any rate, someone could make a skeleton package, that would be great17:58
djszapiwhether it works with nice packaging.17:59
djszapiotherwise I will go to #kernelnewbies :)17:59
javispedrodjszapi: (re aegis-exec : )18:00
djszapijavispedro: yes, but I have not read that it is like with any usage.18:00
djszapialso, packaging is good enough for me as well18:00
javispedroSCHED_OTHER max works so it's not a CAP_SYS_NICE problem..18:04
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djszapiyes, that is what I said from the beginning ;)18:04
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djszapiaccli returns the credential nicely when I try to attach that.18:06
djszapiI even tried to attach the "tcb" god token :)18:06
djszapiSCHED_BATCH also works18:07
djszapififo did not18:07
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djszapiIDLE seems to be not available on Harmattan for low-priority, well dunno18:08
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javispedrothis seems to be a cgroups problem18:11
javispedroyou need to allocate some cpu.rt_runtime_us18:12
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djszapithat was my concern, too18:12
djszapiI think our kernel has some fixes, like own cgroups, but this is just guess-work, and almost weekend time :)18:14
djszapinot much sake to look into this for further details.18:14
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djszapiv2.6.32.29 changes were merged back from mainline, and it has some relevant commits, well dunno =)18:18
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djszapijavispedro: Mmmm,        RLIMIT_RTPRIO (Since Linux 2.6.12, but see BUGS)18:22
djszapi              Specifies a ceiling on the real-time priority that may be set for this process using sched_setscheduler(2) and sched_setparam(2).18:22
javispedrobut SYS_CAP_NICE overrides that18:22
djszapi(from man 2 getrlimit)18:22
javispedroI'm quite sure it's a cgroups thing18:22
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javispedroafaik harm puts "unknown" tasks in some lowpriority cgroup18:23
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javispedroand, looking at kernel source, sched.c line 658018:23
javispedrocgroups one is the only check that is done even if the user is root18:23
javispedro(well, there's other check that is done: aegis)18:23
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djszapiroot is not that root, that is not good enough arguement, but yeah...18:25
MohammadAGdjszapi, any idea if there's a way to slide in a menu on an MWidget?18:25
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griCan someone with knowledge of (Qt)DBus take a look at this? I think I am too stupid for this...
djszapigri: you can poke thiago on #qt as well :)18:45
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gridjszapi: I thought it's so simple that everyone can solve it :)18:47
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griI hate my eyes18:49
griif I could read, I would have noticed "uint" not "int" for the first parameter18:50
djszapiged rid of them ;)18:50
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grinow I have strange moving windows, cool18:51
djszapiCould someone tell me please whether or not there is an "aegis-session" command on the public image ?18:51
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hiemanshudjszapi: there is one18:52
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* MohammadAG wonders how to add haptic feedback to an MButton18:57
alteregoMNotification("please shake device")19:01
hiemanshuMNotification("Please taze your fingers");19:02
hiemanshualterego: you missed a ;19:02
alteregoErm ... I thought he wasd using Python?19:02
alteregoYes .. That is my excuse :)19:02
hiemanshualterego: then you forgot the spaces :D19:03
berndhsmaybe its just the wrong font for python, i recommend monospace :)19:03
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hiemanshuberndhs: spaces before the actual code :P19:04
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GeneralAntillesfiferboy, it's clearly a company-wide conspiracy from TI.19:24
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javispedroseems that harmattan qt has some "optimizations" set by default even if the app doesn't request them21:43
javispedrolike not drawing the background21:44
javispedroin qgv scenes21:44
javispedro(or at least, when drawing the scene with the rotating qt logo, desktop calls fillRect then drawImage, but Harm calls drawImage only)21:44
RST38hthere is a flag for that21:44
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RST38hyou cn set or reset it on any qwidget21:45
javispedronot that I want to, but it is fun, as the net result is that I was getting dark scenes on Harm =)21:45
alteregoYeah, there's optimizations for base windows to not draw backgrounds21:45
alteregoSpeeds up time as applications are expected to draw their own backgrounds21:45
alteregoEspecially when using QGV :P21:46
RST38hor you can request native drawing21:46
alteregoWhich is a bad idea :)21:46
javispedroI understand -- and it is expected that most of Harm will be QML, so that lazy bastards who don't read docs like me get the performance even if they don't enable it21:46
RST38halterego: depends21:46
RST38halterego: works way better forme as I need to draw stuff right away21:46
javispedrohm, wait.21:46
RST38hdo not want any extra buffering21:46
javispedroa QWidget flag? but I'm not using QWidget, only QGScene, not QGV.21:47
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javispedrono, this is something inside qgv itself21:48
SpeedEvilWacky - youtube just started working on my n950.21:48
SpeedEvilI guess they did some html5y thing.21:49
javispedroSpeedEvil: worked since day 1 here21:49
crevetorSame here21:49
SpeedEvilI guess I must have hit a dead link first time around21:49
faenilgtg cya guys :)22:10
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alteregoJust found something cool whilst playing around with some stuff. QDesktopServices::setUrlHandler(scheme, QObject *receiver, const char *method);22:36
javispedrowoah, the n950 makes astonishing videos22:39
javispedrothe photos might be bad, but comparing the videos to the n900...22:39
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djszapiand the camera is even better on the N9.22:42
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, ever shot with an HDSLR?22:45
GeneralAntillesYou should try that some day. :P22:45
javispedroI guess =)22:45
javispedrolast proper camcorder I've ever used still used miniVHS tapes =)22:45
GeneralAntillesWell, as a really crappy example:
GeneralAntillesThe kind of video accessible for normal people compares pretty favorably with 35mm movie setups.22:47
alteregoThe N950 is no competition to the N8 ..22:53
alteregoWhich is  what I generally carry around for quick snaps at functions22:53
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javispedrowell, consider that my previous device for videos was the N900.22:55
javispedrowhich I still think makes better photos than the N950.22:55
javispedrobut video -- a different story.22:56
javispedroI believe the N950 has a software problem with photos22:56
javispedrothey just seem.... unfocused.22:56
alteregoI think it has a software problem with a few things ;)22:56
javispedroeven when they appear OK on the preview22:57
rm_workwow, that's crazy good video22:58
rm_workbut yeah i too thought the n900 was pretty good video compared to anything else i used22:59
rm_worki guess we just have crap video cameras22:59
rm_workhave not tried video yet with n95022:59
alteregoI think the quality I've got out of it for my barcode reading stuff in QML was very good mind :)23:05
alteregoAnd constant focus does make longer dynamic videos a bit better ;)23:06
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alteregoffs, that's it23:23
* alterego implements a screen keep alive script.23:23
alteregoSick of it turning off when I'm in the middle of developing stuff.23:24
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SpeedEvilalterego: While you're at it, something that echos 2 to ./devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness is occasionally handy for testing minimal power cases. And also reading books in bed23:49
alteregoHow about a little app where you can tell it the brightness and just have it stay on until you quit the app? :)23:50

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