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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: on the other side, seems that i'll have to pay import tax for the metawatch :( | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, how bad? | 01:57 |
| javispedro | virtually 30%... | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whew | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you get. :P | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Barriers to trade. Gotta love 'em. | 01:58 |
| javispedro | I am guessing TI might have declared it as jewelry instead of electronics | 01:59 |
| javispedro | will need to check tomorrow with a guy that inevitably will know nothing.. | 01:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mmm | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That seems like an odd choice. | 02:00 |
| javispedro | technically watches fall under it | 02:01 |
| javispedro | *wristwatches | 02:01 |
| javispedro | bad word, should have used "luxury items" or similar | 02:01 |
| * javispedro is not an expert in the matter either. | 02:02 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAoC818Mxy4&feature=feedu | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Watch LCD - the better way | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Almost zero power | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cool | 02:20 |
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| javispedro | woah | 02:34 |
| javispedro | it already says out of stock on the digital one :S | 02:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No shipment here | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn them. . . . | 02:45 |
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| npm | javispedro any suggestions for recording from the frmradio instead of listening to it? (good input source for http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/now-geolocating-at-a-coffee-shop-near-you.png :-) ) | 03:36 |
| javispedro | npm: only current way is to alter fmrx source, and redirect audio data to wherever you want instead of pulseaudio | 03:37 |
| javispedro | npm: or, do it the manual way. | 03:37 |
| javispedro | this might change in the future, depending on how much PA work is done (recording from radio might be as simple as setting a media.role) | 03:38 |
| npm | what do you mean by 'manual way' | 03:39 |
| npm | note that i'm the original author of the fmrx/tx thread so what i really want to do is avoid horking-up my device and just find out what the source device or subdevice might be named | 03:40 |
| javispedro | npm: my original test command set | 03:40 |
| javispedro | npm: the alsa device is hw:2, but it will be kept busy by fmrx | 03:41 |
| npm | hm. but if i'm tuned in, then kill off fmrx and take-over hw:2? | 03:41 |
| javispedro | won't work -- resource policy manager will put mux back to bluetooth | 03:42 |
| javispedro | npm: https://gitorious.org/n950-fmrx/fmrx/blobs/master/fmrx.c#line506 | 03:43 |
| javispedro | npm: just comment out configure_capture, configure_plaback, and configure_rds, build, and it should work | 03:43 |
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| npm | hm i've had no probs w/ rpm (but then again, I went through an elaborate dance w/ it, similar to the ifdef'd code i added to http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/main.cpp | 03:45 |
| npm | s/rpm/resource policy | 03:45 |
| javispedro | hm, rpm? | 03:45 |
| javispedro | a | 03:45 |
| npm | as in i could switch to recordingSource->setAudioInput("alsa:default"); | 03:45 |
| npm | recordingSource->setAudioInput("pulseaudio:"); | 03:46 |
| npm | etc | 03:46 |
| javispedro | either way, with the above instructions you'd get a fmrx binary that just puts policy manager in fmradio but won't actually do the loopback | 03:46 |
| npm | what about gstreamer? | 03:46 |
| javispedro | just another layer of abstraction -- what about it? :P | 03:47 |
| npm | as in an fmrx gstreamer plugin? | 03:47 |
| javispedro | the "clean" way is what tanuk2 is doing in the fmrx thread, by making pulse aware of fmrx | 03:48 |
| npm | bleh | 03:48 |
| npm | sorry you said "pulseaudio" which usually causes some kind of sign | 03:48 |
| npm | sigh | 03:48 |
| javispedro | I understand that's not exactly "time definite", but it is the clean way | 03:49 |
| npm | for some value of clean | 03:49 |
| npm | :-) | 03:49 |
| javispedro | well not much way to ship this stuff to aegis-in-stock-configuration people otherwise | 03:49 |
| npm | but hey, i don't turn down' working code, no matter how rube-goldbergian | 03:49 |
| npm | since if it works, i won't care | 03:50 |
| javispedro | anything alsa requires root either way | 03:50 |
| javispedro | my only worry about his way is that it might a long time. In the meantime, I am considering even suggesting that fmapps just spawn fmrx =) | 03:50 |
| npm | yeah, aegis probably complicates things so carry on w/ pulseaudio | 03:50 |
| npm | :-) | 03:50 |
| npm | what's fmapps? | 03:51 |
| javispedro | "future fmradio player GUI apps" ;) | 03:51 |
| npm | i have been too busy coding to let myself get distracted lately | 03:51 |
| npm | speaking of coding, anybody know the magic trick for getting GPS to actually work when device is offline | 03:53 |
| npm | using QML PositionSource {} | 03:53 |
| * javispedro decides to finally put an end to this horrible day -- gnite | 03:53 | |
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| npm | gnight. thanks for your work on fmrx! | 03:54 |
| npm | hmmm static bool configure_capture(bool on) -- quivalent to "arecord -Dhw:2,0 -f S16_LE -r 48000 -c 2" | 03:57 |
| npm | excellent. | 03:57 |
| npm | but it has to run as root? | 03:58 |
| npm | guess he's asleep (sleep well) | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Are the restrictions on the release n9s known? | 03:58 |
| npm | what restrictions? | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Behaviour of aegis, ... | 04:02 |
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| ieatlint | behold, 3x n9, and n950, c7, 600, 700 and 701 (and taken by an n8) http://imgur.com/RdMvh | 04:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - is that a n9 in a case? | 04:41 |
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| * special drools over the n9s | 04:41 | |
| special | they're so thin. | 04:41 |
| ieatlint | yeah, one of them is a white prototype in a case | 04:42 |
| ieatlint | if you see me, mug me... it'll be worth it | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:43 |
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| *** hiemanshu changes topic to "A cozy little place for pure harmattan device and development discussions | No discussion that requires NDA please! | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing, discuss in #meego-arm please | RIP lcuk, lets all pray for him | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/" | 09:11 | |
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| special | I've got as-daemon using 100% CPU, persisting between reboots | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | you use activesync? heathen | 11:09 |
| special | exchange for gmail/calendar | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:10 |
| special | hmm, I added a recurring event for a few weeks to the calendar earlier, from desktop. I wonder if that could be it. | 11:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:32 |
| hiemanshu | morning Jaffa | 11:33 |
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| razvanpetru | anyone using Facebook OAuth? :) | 11:36 |
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| achipa | for some reason I always read Facebook OAuth as Facebook Ouch. Must be a childhood trauma. | 12:34 |
| leinir | or a more recent one... like having used facebook... ;) | 12:36 |
| djszapi | razvanpetru: me going to Qt Developer Day as well, shall look forward to seeing your presentation over there =) | 12:42 |
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| djszapi | unfortunately, only trying twitter oauth here. | 12:47 |
| seif_ | djszapi, isn't there suposed ot be twitter for the n9/950 | 12:47 |
| hiemanshu | there is qfacebook and qoauth and such that should be able to handle it | 12:47 |
| djszapi | seif_ sorry ? | 12:48 |
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| leinir | seif_: there is, yes - but it is not part of the dev image :) | 12:48 |
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| TheBootroo | seif_: only for N9 in facts | 12:49 |
| TheBootroo | seif_: as well as AccuWeather, Vimeo, Skype, JoikuSpot, Google Talk an Angry Birds | 12:49 |
| TheBootroo | i hope the firmware update will be out soon to get the N950 on pair with N9 | 12:50 |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: I have google talk on N950 :) | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: ? | 12:50 |
| leinir | djszapi: you're a teamster, you don't count ;) | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: not with the official app ? | 12:50 |
| * dm8tbr has whatever he wants. wields the magic mc-tool | 12:51 | |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: no, it is internal, but I guess it will be released as well. | 12:51 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: when | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i looked everywhere but the repos are definitely empty | 12:51 |
| djszapi | leinir: hehe :) Also, you mean dev image as in old public image since the internal dev image contains it ;) | 12:51 |
| * dm8tbr uses generic XMPP on his N950 | 12:51 | |
| hiemanshu | that is the question | 12:51 |
| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: die | 12:51 |
| dm8tbr | hiemanshu: should work on 22-6 too | 12:51 |
| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: but can we use it? | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: you serious , | 12:52 |
| leinir | djszapi: well yes, obviously i mean the one available for normal devs ;0 | 12:52 |
| TheBootroo | so we get an old and incomplete image ? | 12:52 |
| hiemanshu | yes | 12:52 |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: do you also work on the platform, are you on the internal IRC channel for further discussion ? | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | hiemanshu: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-08-24.log.html#t2011-08-24T08:15:34 | 12:52 |
| leinir | TheBootroo: uhm... pre-release image, to ensure you got it ahead of time? as in, if you'd had to wait for the final image, you wouldn't have got the n950 yet ;) | 12:52 |
| TheBootroo | djszapi: i've got a N950 and i develop apps in C++ or QML | 12:52 |
| TheBootroo | leinir: since the N9 image of June 22 was ever more up to date than the current N950, we could have at least get this one | 12:53 |
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| TheBootroo | i really miss GTalk and SKype | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | i gonna test the mc-tool trick | 12:54 |
| seif_ | TheBootroo, I am working on a logger | 12:54 |
| seif_ | TheBootroo, problem is i can only log conversations happening over sms or facebook | 12:54 |
| seif_ | where in my case I use gtalk and skype much more | 12:55 |
| seif_ | what is the mc-tool | 12:55 |
| djszapi | TheBootroo: I also missed skype until I tried it out 1-2 months ago (was a bit buggy :P) | 12:55 |
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| TheBootroo | i did the trick, but will the account persist after a reboot? | 12:58 |
| djszapi | should even after re-flash and restore. | 12:59 |
| djszapi | I hope so, reboot should work. | 12:59 |
| seif_ | what is the mc-tool trick | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | i don't see it in the account Ui though, but its visible has a blanck account in presence Ui | 13:00 |
| djszapi | seif_ http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-08-24.log.html#t2011-08-24T08:15:34 | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | how can i change the account display name ? | 13:01 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: got it! /me goes try flash the fw | 13:25 |
| djszapi | hi javispedro, got my mail ? | 13:25 |
| javispedro | yeah djszapi | 13:25 |
| javispedro | but tbh I have no idea why | 13:25 |
| javispedro | probably they just reused fremantle code | 13:25 |
| djszapi | k | 13:26 |
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| trx | what do i need to import in order to have InfoBanner component? | 13:44 |
| djszapi | extras. | 13:47 |
| djszapi | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?227154-QtComponents-with-MeeGo-Harmattan-problem-InfoBanner | 13:47 |
| trx | com.nokia.extras 1.0 right? | 13:47 |
| trx | thanks djszapi | 13:47 |
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| djszapi | yes, please do not use com.meego.extras because that will break on N9 :p | 13:48 |
| djszapi | and com.nokia.extras works fine on N950 with that dinosaurus sw :) | 13:49 |
| trx | ok, thanks for the tip :) | 13:49 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: it will not break on the N9, just on the version you people have, it was fixed in a newer version of qt-components | 13:53 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: which is more annoying than needed. | 13:53 |
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| ajalkane | can anyone point to a harmattan project with a good example how to separate unit tests and normal code? I don't know qmake well enough. | 14:32 |
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| djszapi | mmm, I have just cmake example... | 14:34 |
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| Venemo | hey | 15:22 |
| djszapi | Venemo o/ | 15:25 |
| Venemo | o7 djszapi | 15:26 |
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| gri | Any idea how to prevent the vibra and ringtone for incoming messages by code? "Resource Policy" from Harmattan docs seem to be the wrong way | 15:37 |
| macmaN | what happened to lcuk | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | macmaN: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-September/004501.html | 15:40 |
| macmaN | mkay, nobody says anything about circumstances | 15:42 |
| macmaN | but i guess that isnt the most important thing | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | the how doesn't matter, it's a fact we've lost him | 15:42 |
| djszapi | gri: I do not think you can do that | 15:42 |
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| Venemo | gri, you are not allowed to do that | 15:43 |
| macmaN | thanks for the link sts | 15:43 |
| djszapi | gri: I think commhistoryd does that, afaik some basyskom guys wanted to do that. The guys who did peregrine and it was not possible. | 15:43 |
| djszapi | They are part of notification type and can not be controlled independently of notifications (maybe changing device global profile?) | 15:45 |
| gri | hmm | 15:45 |
| gri | That means I can implement messaging in my app but can't prevent the stupid notification for the conversation I'm currently viewing ... | 15:46 |
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| djszapi | A ll notification are sent by commhistoryd for all incoming messages, and there are no interfaces to control it, notifications themselves are managed by notification manager in system-ui I think, and sound vibra changed by ngfd based on current device status | 15:50 |
| gri | The nokia messaging app does that somehow, but they may use some magic which normal devs can never get | 15:51 |
| gri | So who invokes the ringtone? | 15:54 |
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| gri | https://gitorious.org/commhistory/commhistory-daemon/commit/2ad2d43ef7501d87680fdb780aa63ff6a5fbefa0 - hmpf | 16:01 |
| gri | seems like "fixed in an internal release" again | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is the n9 available for purchase today? (no, I'm not) | 16:02 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: in Finland at least, nope | 16:02 |
| djszapi | gri: that is good if it is fixed internally, nice to hear :) | 16:02 |
| gri | I don't like the fact that all things that stop me are fixed and I have to build workarounds | 16:04 |
| djszapi | give the device back. | 16:04 |
| gri | No, I did some iPhone development today again and the n950 is still a lot better :) | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, grr | 16:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still "processing" estimated ship date of 9/13/11 | 16:05 |
| djszapi | gri: exactly, so stop complaining :) | 16:05 |
| Venemo | gri, samehere. I will continue my Harmattan apps when I have the new sw for N950 | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi - the complaint police | 16:05 |
| djszapi | nobody said ever, it is a production image. Would be all kind of awkward if there is no progress :) | 16:05 |
| macmaN | gri: care to elaborate on that with a couple of words? ive been wondering about the suckiness of one vs the other. | 16:05 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: complain to TI! | 16:05 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: watch charging -- flashing fw seems to be a windows-only thing, can't even do it frm a VM as it causes KPs on the host for some weird reason. | 16:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excellent! | 16:07 |
| gri | macmaN: I don't like pixel-wise alignment of controls | 16:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I thought you were a Mac head? ;) | 16:07 |
| gri | macmaN: The debugger doesn't tell you where it crashed (or I did something wrong) | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, sorry, forgot the dripping sarcasm tag | 16:08 |
| gri | macmaN: If you know qml bindings, you really miss it in objective-c :) | 16:08 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ah sorry, I've watched too many Charles M. Burns recently :) | 16:08 |
| javispedro | *too much :) | 16:08 |
| gri | macmaN: But they have a WORKING emulator, you can test mostly all without actually having a device (same with Win Phone 7) | 16:09 |
| xarcass | macmaN: i've been doing iphone development for 2 weeks now, after 3 months of harmattan development - i'm already sick of this crap (iphone i mean). xcode sucks, documentation is almost useless, API is ridiculous. the only thing that is positive - fast and well working simulator | 16:09 |
| macmaN | thanks guys :> | 16:09 |
| gri | xarcass: Xcode 3 or 4? | 16:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | xarcass: :/ | 16:10 |
| macmaN | so there's no doubt there's still value in building a better platform right | 16:10 |
| javispedro | xarcass: We do have a fast simulator that is similar in architecture to the iPhone one -- scratchbox =) | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | xarcass: I'd like to say No! Work on harmattan instead - the n9 is just being launched. | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | But I just collapsed into giggles. | 16:10 |
| xarcass | gri: 3.2.6. i'm sick of xcode4. i hope it dies painfully | 16:10 |
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| xarcass | SpeedEvil: i've changed job, so i haven't even device now. i'm waiting for N9 to buy it. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:11 |
| gri | xarcass: The 3.2.6 sucks, 4 works well for me, has git support and can be compared to QtCreator but still: QtCreator > Xcode | 16:12 |
| gri | even though the git interface of Xcode 4 is much better than the one of QtCreator | 16:12 |
| xarcass | SpeedEvil: i've tried to install scratchbox several times without success and gave up. | 16:12 |
| javispedro | xarcass: well, try harder =) , or get a VM. | 16:13 |
| xarcass | gri: if you tell me how to make shortcut for line removal in xcode4, i'll start using it | 16:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles dies seeing all the people complaining it wont pain with their iPhone 4. | 16:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | CAN'T YOU READ? | 16:13 |
| djszapi | gri: actually, you can set context property for current conversation open (check from commhistory daemon code), than commhistory daemon will not show any notifications for that conversation | 16:13 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: worst part: they've shelled out $200 for it. | 16:14 |
| gri | djszapi: thank you!! :) | 16:14 |
| gri | xarcass: I have not used it that much. Still missing the "jump to line end" key on mac completely | 16:14 |
| xarcass | javispedro: i'll rather wait for N9 that go through all this again. and no, i'm not going to install ubuntu just for this | 16:15 |
| djszapi | gri: but that will disable notifications completely, not only sound and vibra | 16:15 |
| gri | djszapi: That's what I want, if it's really only for a given conversation | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | gri, down arrow | 16:17 |
| xarcass | gri: moreover, there are some things in xcode4, like it stops building project sometimes - completely. the only thing that works is to create another project and move files and settings to that new project. i've had exactly this issue. after that, i've eliminated xcode4 without regret. i don't miss it. probably never will | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | gri, plus option key | 16:18 |
| djszapi | gri: that's the way how messaging ui disables notifications when some conversation open, there is a separate inbox context property that will disable all messaging notifications at all | 16:18 |
| gri | GeneralAntilles: Thanks | 16:18 |
| gri | thank you all, I have to go now :) | 16:19 |
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| javispedro | xarcass: tbh, I'm surprised you're complaining about iPhone API documentation, I have always found it as the model to follow. | 16:20 |
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| kkito | hello | 16:22 |
| xarcass | javispedro: maybe you didn't descent to lower levels of API, there are often some magic needed to understand things. sometimes google helps, sometimes not. for instance: it's common case for functions to have string arguments and what should be it these strings usually is nowhere to be seen. | 16:22 |
| javispedro | xarcass: well my experience comes from exactly the lowest levels (Foundation et al) | 16:23 |
| javispedro | xarcass: but I've not done much at the UI levels =) | 16:23 |
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| xarcass | javispedro: well, that wasn't about BSD level - there's all clear usually | 16:24 |
| javispedro | no no, Foundation is NS* stuff | 16:24 |
| xarcass | javispedro: but foundation is full of such magic strings and that's sick | 16:25 |
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| javispedro | well, dunno. | 16:25 |
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| xarcass | javispedro: i thought that's obvious that using string arguments which should receive some set of hardcoded strings in low-level API's isn't good practice. there are better ways | 16:27 |
| javispedro | well, yes, but I don't remember any Foundation example from the top of my head | 16:28 |
| djszapi | xarcass: that sound bad, indeed :) | 16:28 |
| djszapi | sounds* | 16:28 |
| javispedro | while on the other side I still remember my experiences with libresource and the fact that putting "fmradio" in some string parameter did magically turn on BT =) | 16:28 |
| javispedro | either way, that's API design -- not docs | 16:29 |
| xarcass | javispedro: but these strings at least should be placed nearby method which using them. or maybe some link should be made. but often they aren't mentioned in docs at all. | 16:30 |
| * javispedro fails to find a way to get battery voltage in MW with BT disabled | 16:30 | |
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| faenil | heyaa :) good afternoon everyone! | 16:36 |
| faenil | I'm desperately looking for a place to stay in Munich for qt dev days! Is there anyone of you who can help me out ? | 16:37 |
| djszapi | hi faenil. I have read just post about Munich few days ago, and I am also looking for apartment, maybe share some cheap stuff ? | 16:37 |
| faenil | oh lol, same stuff :D | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd offer, but scotland isn't very close. :) | 16:37 |
| djszapi | yeah, was considering couchsurfing :) | 16:37 |
| djszapi | faenil: we will have an Android Qt meetup there, feel free to join :D | 16:38 |
| faenil | never heard of it :) my german ex-roomate told me to look up there just yesterday | 16:38 |
| djszapi | unfortunately, I do not know many KDE volunteers in Munich. | 16:38 |
| faenil | djszapi? talking about one of the sessions at qtdevdays or what? | 16:38 |
| jreznik | qt devs days are tooo expensive, no budget for us, so we plan qt dev evening in red hat with fellow red hatters and people around :) | 16:40 |
| jreznik | and even it's not too far to munich... | 16:40 |
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| xarcass | faenil: switch to the iphone development - you'll never care about cheap stuff :) | 16:48 |
| faenil | trying to say that it's remunerative? :D | 16:48 |
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| xarcass | faenil: since i've switched to the iphone dev 2.5 years ago my salary increased by 3.5 times. | 16:50 |
| hiemanshu | ofc, how else would you pay for the expensive hardware | 16:50 |
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| faenil | wow :) but yeah, it's expensive to start as well :D | 16:52 |
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| djszapiN9 | faenil sorry just alarm @ Nokia | 16:52 |
| djszapiN9 | everybody had to move out ;) | 16:52 |
| xarcass | hiemanshu: i'm hired worker: i don't pay for hardware. btw, my phone is nokia n80, because i hate iphone :) | 16:52 |
| faenil | LOOL | 16:52 |
| javispedro | djszapiN9: Elop finally decided to use a machine gun against Meego employees? | 16:53 |
| javispedro | ;P | 16:53 |
| djszapiN9 | burning platform... | 16:53 |
| javispedro | hah | 16:53 |
| javispedro | :D | 16:53 |
| djszapiN9 | funky thingy is that there was just 100-200 employees in comparison with the last alarm last year ;) | 16:54 |
| djszapiN9 | were* | 16:54 |
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| djszapiN9 | faenil i will ask some kde familiars, maybe | 16:55 |
| faenil | thanks! :D | 16:56 |
| faenil | if you find something and wanna share, please let me know ;) | 16:56 |
| kkito | djszapiN9: what do you mean with "an alarm"? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | regular fire alarm tests | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 16:57 |
| djszapi | bomb attack by terrorists :D | 16:57 |
| djszapi | no test at all | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | He's burning the platform again. | 16:57 |
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| djszapi | faenil: http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2011/qt-technical-sessions#targetingandroid | 16:58 |
| djszapi | about the meeting: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/2011-September/000434.html | 16:58 |
| kkito | perhaps selop burned himself to demonstrate what a burning platfrom exactly is | 16:59 |
| faenil | djszapi, ok thanks :) I'll look into it...but I know nothing about non-qt mobile developing :D | 16:59 |
| djszapi | and what is non-qt in the android-qt project ? :p | 16:59 |
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| faenil | yeah sure, but I guess there are many bridges to android development, I mean...but no problem, I'll be there :P | 17:00 |
| faenil | if I find some place to stay lol XD | 17:00 |
| djszapi | my friend could find something for 85 EUR | 17:01 |
| djszapi | that is a bit too expensive :) | 17:01 |
| faenil | 85€ for how long? | 17:01 |
| djszapi | one night | 17:02 |
| djszapi | or maybe 2 | 17:02 |
| faenil | oh fook xD | 17:02 |
| djszapi | expensive, either way =) | 17:02 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:02 |
| faenil | definitely :D | 17:02 |
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| faenil | djszapi, I have been looking for a family stay or something, but they want >30€ night...-.- | 17:06 |
| djszapi | 30 is good enough imjo. | 17:07 |
| djszapi | imho* | 17:07 |
| faenil | but the only lowcost flight I can get is landing on 21... | 17:08 |
| faenil | so I need 21,22,23,24,25,26, 6 nights...180€ + flight and all the other expenses...still too much :( | 17:09 |
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| Arkenoi_ | Setting up libssl1.0.0 (1.0.0d-3) ... | 17:09 |
| Arkenoi_ | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0.postinst): No such file or directory | 17:09 |
| gri | djszapi: The context property for the "observed conversation" can hold exactly one value - this means the original messaging app and mine fight for the key? :( | 17:09 |
| gri | oh noo sorry for being stupid | 17:11 |
| gri | it can also be a list .. | 17:12 |
| djszapi | =) | 17:12 |
| gri | but it only takes the first entry from the list ... | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, just called TI, phone support doesn't know anything, forwarded a request for a status update to the warehouse. | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My gut tells me I'm going to get mine on the 28th or later. | 17:15 |
| * javispedro feels hated | 17:16 | |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: ofc, you deserve to die | 17:16 |
| javispedro | like if suddenly a very powerful dark force started hating me with passion ;) | 17:16 |
| hiemanshu | but I dont know why :P | 17:16 |
| RST38h | javispedro: time to sacrifice to the Tentacled One! | 17:17 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: send it to me | 17:17 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: and redirect your hate | 17:17 |
| * RST38h finds watching the download trends of the same applications for android and symbian/maemo/windows endlessly amusing | 17:17 | |
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| RST38h | Looks like a perfect proof of Android users having attention span of a fruit fly | 17:18 |
| frals | RST38h: link? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | sorry, no link | 17:20 |
| javispedro | RST38h: but is it statistically significant? :) | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Yes, I have got a lot of data for all the above cases | 17:20 |
| javispedro | you could make a flaming blog post about it, put it on a domain with lots of google ads, post to slashdot, reddit, and get some hits | 17:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: But I would rather not. | 17:20 |
| javispedro | science at work! | 17:21 |
| RST38h | more like misanthropy at work | 17:22 |
| * javispedro missed qt mobility for desktop in qt creator sdk's | 17:22 | |
| javispedro | *misses | 17:22 |
| RST38h | BTW, next time some bug eyed open source fanatic starts hyping the "long tail", hit him on the head with whatever heavy object you have nearby. | 17:24 |
| RST38h | There is no long tail. | 17:24 |
| faenil | long tail of what? | 17:25 |
| RST38h | long tail of whatever | 17:25 |
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| faenil | xD | 17:26 |
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| macmaN | RST38h: what are you referring to, i dont get it either :> | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | macmaN: I am looking at the download and usage statistics for a bunch of apps | 17:30 |
| macmaN | aha | 17:30 |
| RST38h | macmaN: There are Android, Windows, and Symbian versions of the same apps | 17:30 |
| macmaN | yours? | 17:30 |
| RST38h | macmaN: And I can see the number of downloads plotted by day | 17:30 |
| macmaN | yours? or you have access to whole app store data? | 17:34 |
| npm | javispedro: get qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0.tar.gz and compile it with latest QtSDK and install into /opt/QtSDK/Desktop/Qt/474/gcc/ | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Of course I have access to the whole Android Market database | 17:34 |
| npm | ^^ re desktop mobility missing | 17:34 |
| npm | and if you do that on meego, you get yourself a totally non-broken meego in return | 17:34 |
| RST38h | This is what you get for sacrificing a network administrator to the Tentacled One! | 17:35 |
| npm | since you get the released (and not beta0 bug laden) mobility | 17:35 |
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| javispedro | npm: -prefix into that works? | 17:37 |
| npm | holdon | 17:37 |
| npm | gnulem-101-~/qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0> ./configure -prefix /opt/QtSDK/Desktop/Qt/474/gcc/ | 17:38 |
| javispedro | ok, ta. | 17:38 |
| npm | by the way, for anybody compiling QtMobility on desktop, and also for QtMobility on harmattan | 17:39 |
| npm | re PositionSensor | 17:40 |
| npm | on harmattan mine only returns results (from GPS) when online. | 17:40 |
| npm | how can positionsensor (qml) work when offline? | 17:40 |
| npm | and likewise, for desktop/meego/simulation, I seem to be able to get data pulled out of nmealog.txt file, but I can't get it to sense position based on IP geolocation | 17:41 |
| npm | any suggestions? | 17:41 |
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| faenil | is there anyone of you landing at memmingen for qt dev days? XD | 17:49 |
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| kobe | does anybody have a link to more recent firmware for the N950? | 18:08 |
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| faenil | there's no recent fw unfortunately | 18:08 |
| faenil | they left us with week 22 fw | 18:08 |
| faenil | and I'm REALLY missing swype... :( | 18:08 |
| faenil | gtg be back later guys ;) | 18:09 |
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| rm_work | REALLY want new firmware so the SLEW of bugfixes and improvements will finally come our way... N950 is currently unusable as a phone for me :( | 18:13 |
| javispedro | swype? | 18:13 |
| * ieatlint agrees | 18:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, STOP COMPLAINING OR SEND IT BACK | 18:16 |
| * GeneralAntilles coughs | 18:16 | |
| ieatlint | my n950 doesn't really work as a phone anymore. the in-phone-call app is broken, so i just get a black screen when i'm in a phone call | 18:16 |
| ieatlint | so i can't hang up, i have to rely on the other party to | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get incoming call notifications anymore | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is interesting | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | considering a reboot doesn't seem to fix it. | 18:16 |
| ieatlint | and i can't get it to play a ringtone for phone calls either | 18:16 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: same | 18:16 |
| rm_work | ieatlint: same | 18:16 |
| ieatlint | haha | 18:16 |
| ieatlint | all of us the same.. great.. | 18:16 |
| ieatlint | does reflashing even fix it? | 18:16 |
| rm_work | i get no phone app on making calls, and no ability to pick up incoming calls (or notification that they are happening) | 18:17 |
| jreznik | works for me very well but I saw this bug too | 18:17 |
| ieatlint | the black screen implies a QML error to me | 18:17 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: i don't want to send it back, i want to have the fix so i can keep working :) | 18:17 |
| ieatlint | here's to hoping they give us the update immediately after the n9 goes on sale | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, sorry, I was channel He Who Must Not Be Named. | 18:18 |
| ieatlint | (i think we can give up on hoping for it before then) | 18:18 |
| rm_work | Voldemort? :P | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's never going on sale | 18:19 |
| javispedro | Channel Stephen Elop | 18:19 |
| ieatlint | i'd send it back, but i can't seem to call them to arrange it | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pff | 18:19 |
| rm_work | lol, GeneralAntilles, true | 18:19 |
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| ieatlint | i'm sure we'll get an update at some point... but patience is painful | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll probably need to provide a government identification number to download the firmware for a country where it's actually being sold. | 18:24 |
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| achipa | GeneralAntilles: I'd expect it to be linked to IMEI, just like Maemo stuff | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | achipa, I kid, I kid. | 18:26 |
| achipa | (I know, I know :) ) | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 18:27 |
| achipa | but anyway, it's known the 22-6 suffers from tons of problems, you all know very well the priority there was 'something that you can deploy apps from the QtSDK to', not overall user experience or even stability | 18:29 |
| achipa | the real thing coming (really) soon TM, etc, etc | 18:29 |
| ieatlint | screw you guys, i'm never going to program for any nokia meego phone again after the n9 | 18:31 |
| achipa | on the bright side, the 1.0 release is IMHO way more complete than the Fremantle one was | 18:31 |
| achipa | ieatlint: I don't think anyone will :) | 18:31 |
| achipa | (given their huge expected number) | 18:31 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i try to only make threats i'll follow through on | 18:32 |
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| achipa | you will still have the next billion to cherish Qt ;) | 18:33 |
| ieatlint | not in my country i won't | 18:34 |
| achipa | disclaimer: I have no idea where the next billion (won't) be sold | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | to ze aliens invading | 18:35 |
| achipa | zomg, the are a BILLION alienz invading ??? | 18:36 |
| achipa | :P | 18:36 |
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| ieatlint | i've got 3 of the next billion here to play with | 18:37 |
| ieatlint | just wrote an app to exchange vcards via nfc with the new symbian belle phones, the n9 and android devices | 18:37 |
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| wazd | wtf with all that spam in the Store | 19:10 |
| wazd | in french | 19:10 |
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| ieatlint | it's in english too... there's an "app" for dating tips and literally 200 other things that are all the same -- just a qml viewer that loads a url to some ad site | 19:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I'm sorry, but that sort of shit should be filtered out. | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | If your app isn't an app but a glorified browser bookmark it doesn't belong in Ovi. | 19:16 |
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| alterego | Especially when Harmattan has a bookmark to launcher capability .. | 19:17 |
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| alterego | In fact, that was the whole f'ing point of that feature ;) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a "report this" thing? | 19:18 |
| alterego | There is a report an issue button yeah | 19:19 |
| ieatlint | i kinda assumed that nokia would rather say they launched with 500 apps | 19:19 |
| ieatlint | and they'd tolerate it to get that number | 19:19 |
| ieatlint | like apple and android do | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that there are so many bullshit metrics in use. | 19:19 |
| leinir | well... time for us to create a task force of "kill the stupid through ratings" people ;) | 19:20 |
| alterego | :) | 19:21 |
| alterego | And a mass "report" this? | 19:21 |
| ieatlint | just tell them it loaded a url with adult advertisements | 19:21 |
| ieatlint | and how your 10 year old kid is scarred after seeing what that guy did to the other guy | 19:21 |
| javispedro | and that you'll see them in cour | 19:22 |
| javispedro | *court. | 19:22 |
| ieatlint | i'm sure they're protected against that, and either way, the SECOND you threaten to sue them, they're not allowed to talk to you anymore | 19:22 |
| ieatlint | at that point, only a nokia lawyer will talk to you | 19:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:23 |
| alterego | And you'd be lying :P | 19:23 |
| javispedro | fine, let the lawyer talk with the 10 year old kid :) | 19:23 |
| ieatlint | no, they'd just wait for your paperwork | 19:23 |
| ieatlint | the point is if you convince them the app violates their ToS... :P | 19:24 |
| wazd | Meanwhile, are there any OSS UX designing software like Axure for example? | 19:31 |
| wazd | I really want to create a harmattan widgets library for it but I guess Axure is not quite the right choice for this thing | 19:32 |
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| Arkenoi_ | is there a password vault app for harmattan? working one? | 19:53 |
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| ieatlint | if i want a piece of text containing a phone number to be a link that launches the dialer, what format to a i use? | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tel: | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | similar to sip: and mailto: | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | even http: | 20:16 |
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| ieatlint | ah, yes, my issue was a separate thing... i got that, but couldn't click it (it highlighted it like a link) | 20:27 |
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| ieatlint | turns out the issue was that i can't click on links in my Label | 20:27 |
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| ieatlint | anyone know how to make a Text or Label component in qml with a url in it be clickable? | 21:04 |
| ieatlint | right now, it highlights it as a url, but i can't click on it | 21:04 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: you could use MouseArea and onClicked: Qt.openUrlExternally(text); | 21:08 |
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| ieatlint | ah, cool, i need to do that | 21:10 |
| ieatlint | apparently i can connect that with "onLinkActivated" | 21:10 |
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| alterego | Cool | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I recall you needed to do sth similar on Qt3 | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I planned to implement it into twinklephone's tooltip help | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | turned out it wasn't *that* easy to just include it into the translation only | 21:19 |
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| evilJazz | Does anybody know how to turn of the auto connect functionality for the application, similar to what QMaemoInternetConnectivity::setAutoConnectEnabled(false); did on Maemo? Currently if my phone is offline and my app tries to connect to some service, it will constantly ask the user to choose a new internet connection. | 21:41 |
| evilJazz | Qt Mobility Bearer Management does not seem to expose this functionality, or does it? | 21:41 |
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| npm | evilJazz: check isOnline and do something different if you're offline? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qnetworkconfigurationmanager.html | 22:06 |
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| npm | ieatlint: i just open a terminal and do "sh fixphone" | 22:09 |
| npm | ~ $ cat fixphone | 22:09 |
| npm | killall -9 call-ui && killall -9 call-ui && killall -9 call-ui ; /usr/bin/call-ui -help && /usr/bin/call-ui -output-level debug -local-theme 2>&1 | less | 22:09 |
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| evilJazz | npm, thanks. That is the pro-active way. I thought there was some lazy way of doing things :) Will have to change my code then. I just hope QNetworkConfigurationManager::isOnline () is reliable. | 22:11 |
| npm | it seems to be, i just do viewer.rootContext()->setContextProperty("isOnline", mgr.isOnline()); //http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qnetworkconfigurationmanager.html#isOnline in main.cpp | 22:12 |
| npm | and then have a callback on network change that just does the call again. gives you 'isOnline' in QML | 22:12 |
| evilJazz | yeah, will expose it via a property in my C++ core object and add the QNetworkConfigurationManager::onlineStateChanged signal as NOTIFY | 22:14 |
| evilJazz | via signal to signal forwarding that is | 22:15 |
| npm | speaking of networks, do you (or anybody) know why i cant get QML PositionSensor to return GPS info when offline? | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean when not connected to phone? | 22:18 |
| npm | the phone not on network | 22:19 |
| npm | but using GPS to find location | 22:19 |
| npm | aka how i normally use mapping apps since i can't afford wireless charges | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | At least on the n900, you could in the location framework request it to not do data | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 22:19 |
| npm | yeah, i'm just drawing a blank on that particular request or how to find it | 22:20 |
| npm | maybe i'm wasting my time on this offline mode for my app, but it needs to be at least usable for me :-) | 22:21 |
| npm | (i just write to the database and then when i go back online again, i process all the offline parts) | 22:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Where is the GPS antenna on the n950? | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Same place as the n900? | 22:25 |
| npm | no idea | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: FCC papers should give a clue, no? | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's the 10mm golden strip next to one of the screw holes with the printed helical coils inside | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a nice app showing dB for IVs you should be able to tell instantly, by simply covering parts of device | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | by the logic of RF it has to be upper left corner (landscape mode) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it stays up bit right corner in portrait | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bit/but/ | 22:34 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: so it stays up but right corner in portrait | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm it's probably not the 100mm short one then, but the U shaped a bit longer one, maybe the short one is 2.4GHz - would make sense | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/100/10/ | 22:36 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: hmm it's probably not the 10mm short one then, but the U shaped a bit longer one, maybe the short one is 2.4GHz - would make sense | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | right in that corner, under the front camera | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | next to power button | 22:37 |
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| evilJazz | npm: thanks again for the QNetworkConfigurationManager hint. Finally Last.fm scrobbling in QuasarMX is unobtrusive in offline mode. | 23:00 |
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| npm | cool... i've gone back to designing buttons, frustrated that the gps issue might be a bug. i guess i'll just put the app up on ovi and see what happens | 23:04 |
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| npm | buttons with way too many states and text and icons in them... | 23:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think I've stopped receiving notification of text messages, too. | 23:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:41 |
| alterego | Sounds like the database is getting full? | 23:41 |
| alterego | In someway | 23:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's . . . idiotic. | 23:48 |
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