IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-09-15

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javispedroGeneralAntilles: on the other side, seems that i'll have to pay import tax for the metawatch :(01:49
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, how bad?01:57
javispedrovirtually 30%...01:57
GeneralAntillesThat's what you get. :P01:58
GeneralAntillesBarriers to trade. Gotta love 'em.01:58
javispedroI am guessing TI might have declared it as jewelry instead of electronics01:59
javispedrowill need to check tomorrow with a guy that inevitably will know nothing..01:59
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GeneralAntillesThat seems like an odd choice.02:00
javispedrotechnically watches fall under it02:01
javispedrobad word, should have used "luxury items" or similar02:01
* javispedro is not an expert in the matter either.02:02
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SpeedEvilWatch LCD - the better way02:11
SpeedEvilAlmost zero power02:11
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javispedroit already says out of stock on the digital one :S02:35
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GeneralAntillesNo shipment here02:45
GeneralAntillesDamn them. . . .02:45
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npmjavispedro any suggestions for recording from the frmradio instead of listening to it? (good input source for  :-) )03:36
javispedronpm: only current way is to alter fmrx source, and redirect audio data to wherever you want instead of pulseaudio03:37
javispedronpm: or, do it the manual way.03:37
javispedrothis might change in the future, depending on how much PA work is done (recording from radio might be as simple as setting a media.role)03:38
npmwhat do you mean by 'manual way'03:39
npmnote that i'm the original author of the fmrx/tx thread so what i really want to do is avoid horking-up my device and just find out what the source device or subdevice might be named03:40
javispedronpm: my original test command set03:40
javispedronpm: the alsa device is hw:2, but it will be kept busy by fmrx03:41
npmhm. but if i'm tuned in, then kill off fmrx and take-over hw:2?03:41
javispedrowon't work -- resource policy manager will put mux back to bluetooth03:42
javispedronpm: just comment out configure_capture, configure_plaback, and configure_rds, build, and it should work03:43
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npmhm i've had no probs w/ rpm (but then again, I went through an elaborate dance w/ it, similar to the ifdef'd code i added to
npms/rpm/resource policy03:45
javispedrohm, rpm?03:45
npmas in i could switch to recordingSource->setAudioInput("alsa:default");03:45
javispedroeither way, with the above instructions you'd get a fmrx binary that just puts policy manager in fmradio but won't actually do the loopback03:46
npmwhat about gstreamer?03:46
javispedrojust another layer of abstraction -- what about it? :P03:47
npmas in an fmrx gstreamer plugin?03:47
javispedrothe "clean" way is what tanuk2 is doing in the fmrx thread, by making pulse aware of fmrx03:48
npmsorry you said "pulseaudio" which usually causes some kind of sign03:48
javispedroI understand that's not exactly "time definite", but it is the clean way03:49
npmfor some value of clean03:49
javispedrowell not much way to ship this stuff to aegis-in-stock-configuration people otherwise03:49
npmbut hey, i don't turn down' working code, no matter how rube-goldbergian03:49
npmsince if it works, i won't care03:50
javispedroanything alsa requires root either way03:50
javispedromy only worry about his way is that it might a long time. In the meantime, I am considering even suggesting that fmapps just spawn fmrx =)03:50
npmyeah, aegis probably complicates things so carry on w/ pulseaudio03:50
npmwhat's fmapps?03:51
javispedro"future fmradio player GUI apps" ;)03:51
npmi have been too busy coding to let myself get distracted lately03:51
npmspeaking of coding, anybody know the magic trick for getting GPS to actually work  when device is offline03:53
npmusing QML    PositionSource {}03:53
* javispedro decides to finally put an end to this horrible day -- gnite03:53
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npmgnight. thanks for your work on fmrx!03:54
npmhmmm static bool configure_capture(bool on) -- quivalent to "arecord -Dhw:2,0 -f S16_LE -r 48000 -c 2"03:57
npmbut it has to run as root?03:58
npmguess he's asleep (sleep well)03:58
SpeedEvilAre the restrictions on the release n9s known?03:58
npmwhat restrictions?03:58
SpeedEvilBehaviour of aegis, ...04:02
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ieatlintbehold, 3x n9, and n950, c7, 600, 700 and 701 (and taken by an n8)
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SpeedEvilOh - is that a n9 in a case?04:41
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specialthey're so thin.04:41
ieatlintyeah, one of them is a white prototype in a case04:42
ieatlintif you see me, mug me... it'll be worth it04:42
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specialI've got as-daemon using 100% CPU, persisting between reboots11:09
Stskeepsyou use activesync? heathen11:09
specialexchange for gmail/calendar11:10
specialhmm, I added a recurring event for a few weeks to the calendar earlier, from desktop. I wonder if that could be it.11:11
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JaffaMorning, all11:32
hiemanshumorning Jaffa11:33
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razvanpetruanyone using Facebook OAuth? :)11:36
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achipafor some reason I always read Facebook OAuth as Facebook Ouch. Must be a childhood trauma.12:34
leiniror a more recent one... like having used facebook... ;)12:36
djszapirazvanpetru: me going to Qt Developer Day as well, shall look forward to seeing your presentation over there =)12:42
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djszapiunfortunately, only trying twitter oauth here.12:47
seif_djszapi, isn't there suposed ot be twitter for the n9/95012:47
hiemanshuthere is qfacebook and qoauth and such that should be able to handle it12:47
djszapiseif_ sorry ?12:48
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leinirseif_: there is, yes - but it is not part of the dev image :)12:48
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TheBootrooseif_: only for N9 in facts12:49
TheBootrooseif_: as well as AccuWeather, Vimeo, Skype, JoikuSpot, Google Talk an Angry Birds12:49
TheBootrooi hope the firmware update will be out soon to get the N950 on pair with N912:50
djszapiTheBootroo: I have google talk on N950 :)12:50
TheBootroodjszapi: ?12:50
leinirdjszapi: you're a teamster, you don't count ;)12:50
TheBootroodjszapi: not with the official app ?12:50
* dm8tbr has whatever he wants. wields the magic mc-tool12:51
djszapiTheBootroo: no, it is internal, but I guess it will be released as well.12:51
hiemanshudjszapi: when12:51
TheBootroodjszapi: i looked everywhere but the repos are definitely empty12:51
djszapileinir: hehe :) Also, you mean dev image as in old public image since the internal dev image contains it ;)12:51
* dm8tbr uses generic XMPP on his N95012:51
hiemanshuthat is the question12:51
hiemanshudm8tbr: die12:51
dm8tbrhiemanshu: should work on 22-6 too12:51
hiemanshudm8tbr: but can we use it?12:51
TheBootroodjszapi: you serious ,12:52
leinirdjszapi: well yes, obviously i mean the one available for normal devs ;012:52
TheBootrooso we get an old and incomplete image ?12:52
djszapiTheBootroo: do you also work on the platform, are you on the internal IRC channel for further discussion ?12:52
leinirTheBootroo: uhm... pre-release image, to ensure you got it ahead of time? as in, if you'd had to wait for the final image, you wouldn't have got the n950 yet ;)12:52
TheBootroodjszapi: i've got a N950 and i develop apps in C++ or QML12:52
TheBootrooleinir: since the N9 image of June 22 was ever more up to date than the current N950, we could have at least get this one12:53
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TheBootrooi really miss GTalk and SKype12:54
TheBootrooi gonna test the mc-tool trick12:54
seif_TheBootroo, I am working on a logger12:54
seif_TheBootroo, problem is i can only log conversations happening over sms or facebook12:54
seif_where in my case I use gtalk and skype much more12:55
seif_what is the mc-tool12:55
djszapiTheBootroo: I also missed skype until I tried it out 1-2 months ago (was a bit buggy :P)12:55
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TheBootrooi did the trick, but will the account persist after a reboot?12:58
djszapishould even after re-flash and restore.12:59
djszapiI hope so, reboot should work.12:59
seif_what is the mc-tool trick12:59
TheBootrooi don't see it in the account Ui though, but its visible has a blanck account in presence Ui13:00
TheBootroohow can i change the account display name ?13:01
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: got it! /me goes try flash the fw13:25
djszapihi javispedro, got my mail ?13:25
javispedroyeah djszapi13:25
javispedrobut tbh I have no idea why13:25
javispedroprobably they just reused fremantle code13:25
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trxwhat do i need to import in order to have InfoBanner component?13:44
djszapi 1.0 right?13:47
trxthanks djszapi13:47
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djszapiyes, please do not use com.meego.extras because that will break on N9 :p13:48
djszapiand works fine on N950 with that dinosaurus sw :)13:49
trxok, thanks for the tip :)13:49
hiemanshudjszapi: it will not break on the N9, just on the version you people have, it was fixed in a newer version of qt-components13:53
djszapihiemanshu: which is more annoying than needed.13:53
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ajalkanecan anyone point to a harmattan project with a good example how to separate unit tests and normal code? I don't know qmake well enough.14:32
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djszapimmm, I have just cmake example...14:34
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djszapiVenemo o/15:25
Venemoo7 djszapi15:26
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griAny idea how to prevent the vibra and ringtone for incoming messages by code? "Resource Policy" from Harmattan docs seem to be the wrong way15:37
macmaNwhat happened to lcuk15:40
macmaNmkay, nobody says anything about circumstances15:42
macmaNbut i guess that isnt the most important thing15:42
Stskeepsthe how doesn't matter, it's a fact we've lost him15:42
djszapigri: I do not think you can do that15:42
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Venemogri, you are not allowed to do that15:43
macmaNthanks for the link sts15:43
djszapigri: I think commhistoryd does that, afaik some basyskom guys wanted to do that. The guys who did peregrine and it was not possible.15:43
djszapiThey are part of notification type and can not be controlled independently of notifications (maybe changing device global profile?)15:45
griThat means I can implement messaging in my app but can't prevent the stupid notification for the conversation I'm currently viewing ...15:46
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djszapiA ll notification are sent by commhistoryd for all incoming messages, and there are no interfaces to control it, notifications themselves are managed by notification manager in system-ui I think, and sound vibra changed by ngfd based on  current device status15:50
griThe nokia messaging app does that somehow, but they may use some magic which normal devs can never get15:51
griSo who invokes the ringtone?15:54
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gri - hmpf16:01
griseems like "fixed in an internal release" again16:01
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SpeedEvilIs the n9 available for purchase today? (no, I'm not)16:02
djszapiSpeedEvil: in Finland at least, nope16:02
djszapigri: that is good if it is fixed internally, nice to hear :)16:02
griI don't like the fact that all things that stop me are fixed and I have to build workarounds16:04
djszapigive the device back.16:04
griNo, I did some iPhone development today again and the n950 is still a lot better :)16:04
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, grr16:04
GeneralAntillesStill "processing" estimated ship date of 9/13/1116:05
djszapigri: exactly, so stop complaining :)16:05
Venemogri, samehere. I will continue my Harmattan apps when I have the new sw for N95016:05
GeneralAntillesdjszapi - the complaint police16:05
djszapinobody said ever, it is a production image. Would be all kind of awkward if there is no progress :)16:05
macmaNgri: care to elaborate on that with a couple of words? ive been wondering about the suckiness of one vs the other.16:05
javispedroGeneralAntilles: complain to TI!16:05
javispedroGeneralAntilles: watch charging -- flashing fw seems to be a windows-only thing, can't even do it frm a VM as it causes KPs on the host for some weird reason.16:06
grimacmaN: I don't like pixel-wise alignment of controls16:07
javispedroGeneralAntilles: I thought you were a Mac head? ;)16:07
grimacmaN: The debugger doesn't tell you where it crashed (or I did something wrong)16:07
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, sorry, forgot the dripping sarcasm tag16:08
grimacmaN: If you know qml bindings, you really miss it in objective-c :)16:08
javispedroGeneralAntilles: ah sorry, I've watched too many Charles M. Burns recently :)16:08
javispedro*too much :)16:08
grimacmaN: But they have a WORKING emulator, you can test mostly all without actually having a device (same with Win Phone 7)16:09
xarcassmacmaN: i've been doing iphone development for 2 weeks now, after 3 months of harmattan development - i'm already sick of this crap (iphone i mean). xcode sucks, documentation is almost useless, API is ridiculous. the only thing that is positive - fast and well working simulator16:09
macmaNthanks guys :>16:09
grixarcass: Xcode 3 or 4?16:10
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SpeedEvilxarcass: :/16:10
macmaNso there's no doubt there's still value in building a better platform right16:10
javispedroxarcass: We do have a fast simulator that is similar in architecture to the iPhone one -- scratchbox =)16:10
SpeedEvilxarcass: I'd like to say No! Work on harmattan instead - the n9 is just being launched.16:10
SpeedEvilBut I just collapsed into giggles.16:10
xarcassgri: 3.2.6. i'm sick of xcode4. i hope it dies painfully16:10
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xarcassSpeedEvil: i've changed job, so i haven't even device now. i'm waiting for N9 to buy it.16:11
grixarcass: The 3.2.6 sucks, 4 works well for me, has git support and can be compared to QtCreator but still: QtCreator > Xcode16:12
grieven though the git interface of Xcode 4 is much better than the one of QtCreator16:12
xarcassSpeedEvil: i've tried to install scratchbox several times without success and gave up.16:12
javispedroxarcass: well, try harder =) , or get a VM.16:13
xarcassgri: if you tell me how to make shortcut for line removal in xcode4, i'll start using it16:13
* GeneralAntilles dies seeing all the people complaining it wont pain with their iPhone 4.16:13
GeneralAntillesCAN'T YOU READ?16:13
djszapigri: actually, you can set context property for current conversation open (check from commhistory daemon code), than commhistory daemon will not show any notifications for that conversation16:13
javispedroGeneralAntilles: worst part: they've shelled out $200 for it.16:14
gridjszapi: thank you!! :)16:14
grixarcass: I have not used it that much. Still missing the "jump to line end" key on mac completely16:14
xarcassjavispedro: i'll rather wait for N9 that go through all this again. and no, i'm not going to install ubuntu just for this16:15
djszapigri: but that will disable notifications completely, not only sound and vibra16:15
gridjszapi: That's what I want, if it's really only for a given conversation16:15
GeneralAntillesgri, down arrow16:17
xarcassgri: moreover, there are some things in xcode4, like it stops building project sometimes - completely. the only thing that works is to create another project and move files and settings to that new project. i've had exactly this issue. after that, i've eliminated xcode4 without regret. i don't miss it. probably never will16:17
GeneralAntillesgri, plus option key16:18
djszapigri: that's the way how messaging ui disables notifications when some conversation open, there is a separate inbox context property that will disable all messaging notifications at all16:18
griGeneralAntilles: Thanks16:18
grithank you all, I have to go now :)16:19
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javispedroxarcass: tbh, I'm surprised you're complaining about iPhone API documentation, I have always found it as the model to follow.16:20
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xarcassjavispedro: maybe you didn't descent to lower levels of API, there are often some magic needed to understand things. sometimes google helps, sometimes not. for instance: it's common case for functions to have string arguments and what should be it these strings usually is nowhere to be seen.16:22
javispedroxarcass: well my experience comes from exactly the lowest levels (Foundation et al)16:23
javispedroxarcass: but I've not done much at the UI levels =)16:23
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xarcassjavispedro: well, that wasn't about BSD level - there's all clear usually16:24
javispedrono no, Foundation is NS* stuff16:24
xarcassjavispedro: but foundation is full of such magic strings and that's sick16:25
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javispedrowell, dunno.16:25
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xarcassjavispedro: i thought that's obvious that using string arguments which should receive some set of hardcoded strings in low-level API's isn't good practice. there are better ways16:27
javispedrowell, yes, but I don't remember any Foundation example from the top of my head16:28
djszapixarcass: that sound bad, indeed :)16:28
javispedrowhile on the other side I still remember my experiences with libresource and the fact that putting "fmradio" in some string parameter did magically turn on BT =)16:28
javispedroeither way, that's API design -- not docs16:29
xarcassjavispedro: but these strings at least should be placed nearby method which using them. or maybe some link should be made. but often they aren't mentioned in docs at all.16:30
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faenilheyaa :) good afternoon everyone!16:36
faenilI'm desperately looking for a place to stay in Munich for qt dev days! Is there anyone of you who can help me out ?16:37
djszapihi faenil. I have read just post about Munich few days ago, and I am also looking for apartment, maybe share some cheap stuff ?16:37
faeniloh lol, same stuff :D16:37
SpeedEvilI'd offer, but scotland isn't very close. :)16:37
djszapiyeah, was considering couchsurfing :)16:37
djszapifaenil: we will have an Android Qt meetup there, feel free to join :D16:38
faenilnever heard of it :) my german ex-roomate told me to look up there just yesterday16:38
djszapiunfortunately, I do not know many KDE volunteers in Munich.16:38
faenildjszapi? talking about one of the sessions at qtdevdays or what?16:38
jreznikqt devs days are tooo expensive, no budget for us, so we plan qt dev evening in red hat with fellow red hatters and people around :)16:40
jreznikand even it's not too far to munich...16:40
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xarcassfaenil: switch to the iphone development - you'll never care about cheap stuff :)16:48
faeniltrying to say that it's remunerative? :D16:48
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xarcassfaenil: since i've switched to the iphone dev 2.5 years ago my salary increased by 3.5 times.16:50
hiemanshuofc, how else would you pay for the expensive hardware16:50
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faenilwow :) but yeah, it's expensive to start as well :D16:52
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djszapiN9faenil sorry just alarm @ Nokia16:52
djszapiN9everybody had to move out ;)16:52
xarcasshiemanshu: i'm hired worker: i don't pay for hardware. btw, my phone is nokia n80, because i hate iphone :)16:52
javispedrodjszapiN9: Elop finally decided to use a machine gun against Meego employees?16:53
djszapiN9burning platform...16:53
djszapiN9funky thingy is that there was just 100-200 employees in comparison with the last alarm last year ;)16:54
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djszapiN9faenil i will ask some kde familiars, maybe16:55
faenilthanks! :D16:56
faenilif you find something and wanna share, please let me know ;)16:56
kkitodjszapiN9: what do you mean with "an alarm"?16:57
Stskeepsregular fire alarm tests16:57
djszapibomb attack by terrorists :D16:57
djszapino test at all16:57
SpeedEvilHe's burning the platform again.16:57
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djszapiabout the meeting:
kkitoperhaps selop burned himself to demonstrate what a burning platfrom exactly is16:59
faenildjszapi, ok thanks :) I'll look into it...but I know nothing about non-qt mobile developing :D16:59
djszapiand what is non-qt in the android-qt project ? :p16:59
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faenilyeah sure, but I guess there are many bridges to android development, I mean...but no problem, I'll be there :P17:00
faenilif I find some place to stay lol XD17:00
djszapimy friend could find something for 85 EUR17:01
djszapithat is a bit too expensive :)17:01
faenil85€ for how long?17:01
djszapione night17:02
djszapior maybe 217:02
faeniloh fook xD17:02
djszapiexpensive, either way =)17:02
faenildefinitely :D17:02
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faenildjszapi, I have been looking for a family stay or something, but they want >30€ night...-.-17:06
djszapi30 is good enough imjo.17:07
faenilbut the only lowcost flight I can get is landing on 21...17:08
faenilso I need 21,22,23,24,25,26, 6 nights...180€ + flight and all the other expenses...still too much :(17:09
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Arkenoi_Setting up libssl1.0.0 (1.0.0d-3) ...17:09
Arkenoi_dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0.postinst): No such file or directory17:09
gridjszapi: The context property for the "observed conversation" can hold exactly one value - this means the original messaging app and mine fight for the key? :(17:09
grioh noo sorry for being stupid17:11
griit can also be a list ..17:12
gribut it only takes the first entry from the list ...17:13
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, just called TI, phone support doesn't know anything, forwarded a request for a status update to the warehouse.17:15
GeneralAntillesMy gut tells me I'm going to get mine on the 28th or later.17:15
* javispedro feels hated17:16
hiemanshujavispedro: ofc, you deserve to die17:16
javispedrolike if suddenly a very powerful dark force started hating me with passion ;)17:16
hiemanshubut I dont know why :P17:16
RST38hjavispedro: time to sacrifice to the Tentacled One!17:17
hiemanshujavispedro: send it to me17:17
hiemanshujavispedro: and redirect your hate17:17
* RST38h finds watching the download trends of the same applications for android and symbian/maemo/windows endlessly amusing17:17
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RST38hLooks like a perfect proof of Android users having attention span of a fruit fly17:18
fralsRST38h: link?17:19
RST38hsorry, no link17:20
javispedroRST38h: but is it statistically significant? :)17:20
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RST38hjavispedro: Yes, I have got a lot of data for all the above cases17:20
javispedroyou could make a flaming blog post about it, put it on a domain with lots of google ads, post to slashdot, reddit, and get some hits17:20
RST38hjavispedro: But I would rather not.17:20
javispedroscience at work!17:21
RST38hmore like misanthropy at work17:22
* javispedro missed qt mobility for desktop in qt creator sdk's17:22
RST38hBTW, next time some bug eyed open source fanatic starts hyping the "long tail", hit him on the head with whatever heavy object you have nearby.17:24
RST38hThere is no long tail.17:24
faenillong tail of what?17:25
RST38hlong tail of whatever17:25
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macmaNRST38h: what are you referring to, i dont get it either :>17:29
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RST38hmacmaN: I am looking at the download and usage statistics for a bunch of apps17:30
RST38hmacmaN: There are Android, Windows, and Symbian versions of the same apps17:30
RST38hmacmaN: And I can see the number of downloads plotted by day17:30
macmaNyours? or you have access to whole app store data?17:34
npmjavispedro: get qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0.tar.gz and compile it with latest QtSDK and install into /opt/QtSDK/Desktop/Qt/474/gcc/17:34
RST38hOf course I have access to the whole Android Market database17:34
npm^^ re desktop mobility missing17:34
npmand if you do that on meego, you get yourself a totally non-broken meego in return17:34
RST38hThis is what you get for sacrificing a network administrator to the Tentacled One!17:35
npmsince you get the released (and not beta0 bug laden) mobility17:35
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javispedronpm: -prefix into that works?17:37
npmgnulem-101-~/qt-mobility-opensource-src-1.2.0> ./configure -prefix /opt/QtSDK/Desktop/Qt/474/gcc/17:38
javispedrook, ta.17:38
npmby the way, for anybody compiling QtMobility on desktop, and also for QtMobility on harmattan17:39
npmre PositionSensor17:40
npmon harmattan mine only returns results (from GPS) when online.17:40
npmhow can positionsensor (qml) work when offline?17:40
npmand likewise, for desktop/meego/simulation, I seem to be able to get data pulled out of nmealog.txt file, but I can't get it to sense position based on IP geolocation17:41
npmany suggestions?17:41
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faenilis there anyone of you landing at memmingen for qt dev days? XD17:49
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kobedoes anybody have a link to more recent firmware for the N950?18:08
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faenilthere's no recent fw unfortunately18:08
faenilthey left us with week 22 fw18:08
faeniland I'm REALLY missing swype... :(18:08
faenilgtg be back later guys ;)18:09
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rm_workREALLY want new firmware so the SLEW of bugfixes and improvements will finally come our way... N950 is currently unusable as a phone for me :(18:13
* ieatlint agrees18:15
GeneralAntillesrm_work, STOP COMPLAINING OR SEND IT BACK18:16
* GeneralAntilles coughs18:16
ieatlintmy n950 doesn't really work as a phone anymore.  the in-phone-call app is broken, so i just get a black screen when i'm in a phone call18:16
ieatlintso i can't hang up, i have to rely on the other party to18:16
GeneralAntillesI don't get incoming call notifications anymore18:16
GeneralAntilleswhich is interesting18:16
GeneralAntillesconsidering a reboot doesn't seem to fix it.18:16
ieatlintand i can't get it to play a ringtone for phone calls either18:16
rm_workGeneralAntilles: same18:16
rm_workieatlint: same18:16
ieatlintall of us the same.. great..18:16
ieatlintdoes reflashing even fix it?18:16
rm_worki get no phone app on making calls, and no ability to pick up incoming calls (or notification that they are happening)18:17
jreznikworks for me very well but I saw this bug too18:17
ieatlintthe black screen implies a QML error to me18:17
rm_workGeneralAntilles: i don't want to send it back, i want to have the fix so i can keep working :)18:17
ieatlinthere's to hoping they give us the update immediately after the n9 goes on sale18:18
GeneralAntillesrm_work, sorry, I was channel He Who Must Not Be Named.18:18
ieatlint(i think we can give up on hoping for it before then)18:18
rm_workVoldemort? :P18:18
GeneralAntillesIt's never going on sale18:19
javispedroChannel Stephen Elop18:19
ieatlinti'd send it back, but i can't seem to call them to arrange it18:19
rm_worklol, GeneralAntilles, true18:19
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ieatlinti'm sure we'll get an update at some point... but patience is painful18:23
GeneralAntillesWe'll probably need to provide a government identification number to download the firmware for a country where it's actually being sold.18:24
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achipaGeneralAntilles: I'd expect it to be linked to IMEI, just like Maemo stuff18:26
GeneralAntillesachipa, I kid, I kid.18:26
achipa(I know, I know :) )18:27
achipabut anyway, it's known the 22-6  suffers from tons of problems, you all know very well the priority there was 'something that you can deploy apps from the QtSDK to', not overall user experience or even stability18:29
achipathe real thing coming (really) soon TM, etc, etc18:29
ieatlintscrew you guys, i'm never going to program for any nokia meego phone again after the n918:31
achipaon the bright side, the 1.0 release is IMHO way more complete than the Fremantle one was18:31
achipaieatlint: I don't think anyone will :)18:31
achipa(given their huge expected number)18:31
ieatlintyeah, i try to only make threats i'll follow through on18:32
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achipa you will still have the next billion to cherish Qt ;)18:33
ieatlintnot in my country i won't18:34
achipadisclaimer: I have no idea where the next billion (won't) be sold18:35
Stskeepsto ze aliens invading18:35
achipazomg, the are a BILLION alienz invading ???18:36
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ieatlinti've got 3 of the next billion here to play with18:37
ieatlintjust wrote an app to exchange vcards via nfc with the new symbian belle phones, the n9 and android devices18:37
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wazdwtf with all that spam in the Store19:10
wazdin french19:10
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ieatlintit's in english too... there's an "app" for dating tips and literally 200 other things that are all the same -- just a qml viewer that loads a url to some ad site19:14
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GeneralAntillesYeah, I'm sorry, but that sort of shit should be filtered out.19:15
GeneralAntillesIf your app isn't an app but a glorified browser bookmark it doesn't belong in Ovi.19:16
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alteregoEspecially when Harmattan has a bookmark to launcher capability ..19:17
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alteregoIn fact, that was the whole f'ing point of that feature ;)19:18
Stskeepsisn't there a "report this" thing?19:18
alteregoThere is a report an issue button yeah19:19
ieatlinti kinda assumed that nokia would rather say they launched with 500 apps19:19
ieatlintand they'd tolerate it to get that number19:19
ieatlintlike apple and android do19:19
GeneralAntillesI hate that there are so many bullshit metrics in use.19:19
leinirwell... time for us to create a task force of "kill the stupid through ratings" people ;)19:20
alteregoAnd a mass "report" this?19:21
ieatlintjust tell them it loaded a url with adult advertisements19:21
ieatlintand how your 10 year old kid is scarred after seeing what that guy did to the other guy19:21
javispedroand that you'll see them in cour19:22
ieatlinti'm sure they're protected against that, and either way, the SECOND you threaten to sue them, they're not allowed to talk to you anymore19:22
ieatlintat that point, only a nokia lawyer will talk to you19:23
alteregoAnd you'd be lying :P19:23
javispedrofine, let the lawyer talk with the 10 year old kid :)19:23
ieatlintno, they'd just wait for your paperwork19:23
ieatlintthe point is if you convince them the app violates their ToS... :P19:24
wazdMeanwhile, are there any OSS UX designing software like Axure for example?19:31
wazdI really want to create a harmattan widgets library for it but I guess Axure is not quite the right choice for this thing19:32
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Arkenoi_is there a password vault app for harmattan? working one?19:53
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ieatlintif i want a piece of text containing a phone number to be a link that launches the dialer, what format to a i use?20:13
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DocScrutinizersimilar to sip: and mailto:20:16
DocScrutinizereven http:20:16
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ieatlintah, yes, my issue was a separate thing... i got that, but couldn't click it (it highlighted it like a link)20:27
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ieatlintturns out the issue was that i can't click on links in my Label20:27
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ieatlintanyone know how to make a Text or Label component in qml with a url in it be clickable?21:04
ieatlintright now, it highlights it as a url, but i can't click on it21:04
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alteregoieatlint: you could use MouseArea and onClicked: Qt.openUrlExternally(text);21:08
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ieatlintah, cool, i need to do that21:10
ieatlintapparently i can connect that with "onLinkActivated"21:10
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DocScrutinizerI recall you needed to do sth similar on Qt321:17
DocScrutinizerI planned to implement it into twinklephone's tooltip help21:18
DocScrutinizerturned out it wasn't *that* easy to just include it into the translation only21:19
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evilJazzDoes anybody know how to turn of the auto connect functionality for the application, similar to what QMaemoInternetConnectivity::setAutoConnectEnabled(false); did on Maemo? Currently if my phone is offline and my app tries to connect to some service, it will constantly ask the user to choose a new internet connection.21:41
evilJazzQt Mobility Bearer Management does not seem to expose this functionality, or does it?21:41
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npmevilJazz: check isOnline and do something different if you're offline?
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npmieatlint: i just open a terminal and do "sh fixphone"22:09
npm~ $ cat fixphone22:09
npmkillall -9 call-ui && killall -9 call-ui &&  killall -9 call-ui ; /usr/bin/call-ui -help && /usr/bin/call-ui -output-level debug -local-theme  2>&1 | less22:09
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evilJazznpm, thanks. That is the pro-active way. I thought there was some lazy way of doing things :) Will have to change my code then. I just hope QNetworkConfigurationManager::isOnline () is reliable.22:11
npmit seems to be, i just do     viewer.rootContext()->setContextProperty("isOnline", mgr.isOnline()); // in main.cpp22:12
npmand then have a callback on network change that just does the call again. gives you 'isOnline' in QML22:12
evilJazzyeah, will expose it via a property in my C++ core object and add the QNetworkConfigurationManager::onlineStateChanged signal as NOTIFY22:14
evilJazzvia signal to signal forwarding that is22:15
npmspeaking of networks, do you (or anybody) know why i cant get QML PositionSensor to return GPS info when offline?22:18
SpeedEvilYou mean when not connected to phone?22:18
npmthe phone not on network22:19
npmbut using GPS to find location22:19
npmaka how i normally use mapping apps since i can't afford wireless charges22:19
SpeedEvilAt least on the n900, you could in the location framework request it to not do data22:19
npmyeah, i'm just drawing a blank on that particular request or how to find it22:20
npmmaybe i'm wasting my time on this offline mode for my app, but it needs to be at least usable for me :-)22:21
npm(i just write to the database and then when i go back online again, i process all the offline parts)22:21
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SpeedEvilWhere is the GPS antenna on the n950?22:25
SpeedEvilSame place as the n900?22:25
npmno idea22:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: FCC papers should give a clue, no?22:30
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DocScrutinizerI guess it's the 10mm golden strip next to one of the screw holes with the printed helical coils inside22:31
DocScrutinizerwith a nice app showing dB for IVs you should be able to tell instantly, by simply covering parts of device22:32
DocScrutinizerby the logic of RF it has to be upper left corner (landscape mode)22:33
DocScrutinizerso it stays up bit right corner in portrait22:34
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: so it stays up but right corner in portrait22:34
* DocScrutinizer pops off the battery cover22:35
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DocScrutinizerhmm it's probably not the 100mm short one then, but the U shaped a bit longer one, maybe the short one is 2.4GHz - would make sense22:36
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: hmm it's probably not the 10mm short one then, but the U shaped a bit longer one, maybe the short one is 2.4GHz - would make sense22:36
DocScrutinizerright in that corner, under the front camera22:37
DocScrutinizernext to power button22:37
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evilJazznpm: thanks again for the QNetworkConfigurationManager hint. Finally scrobbling in QuasarMX is unobtrusive in offline mode.23:00
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npmcool... i've gone back to designing buttons, frustrated that the gps issue might be a bug. i guess i'll just put the app up on ovi and see what happens23:04
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npmbuttons with way too many states and text and icons in them...23:04
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GeneralAntillesI think I've stopped receiving notification of text messages, too.23:41
alteregoSounds like the database is getting full?23:41
alteregoIn someway23:41
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GeneralAntillesThat's . . . idiotic.23:48
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