| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, they are headquartered in Texas, though. | 00:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Still processing here | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | no shipment yet | 00:02 |
| alterego | I knew I should have kept a backup of my madde targets | 00:03 |
| * alterego sighs | 00:03 | |
| javispedro | everyone knows that's just facade, their true one is in .in =) | 00:03 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I got a fedex priority tracking id | 00:03 |
| javispedro | so, thursday | 00:03 |
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| javispedro | (watches apple's ad about apple airplay) seems that Nokia is late with those NFC speakers... | 00:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, hate you | 00:39 |
| rm_work | lol | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, well, all of the TI employees /I/ know are in Texas. :P | 00:39 |
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| artemma | If I am unable to start my code on timer, can I write a daemon that would have an own timer | 02:29 |
| artemma | I mean are 3rd party devs willing to sell via Ovi store allowed to install daemons? | 02:30 |
| artemma | and request them to be started during boot-up | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | technically, you can put anything on the store as long as it doesn't need external deps | 02:31 |
| artemma | how come there are cron.daily and cron.weekly, in /etc, but no crond is running? | 02:34 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines cron in ovi store for $5 | 02:39 | |
| artemma | won't be useful except for developers :) | 02:40 |
| artemma | in order to be useful by apps, cron needs to be in firmware | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 02:40 |
| artemma | oh! | 02:40 |
| artemma | Sep 14 02:40:13 (none) kernel: [ 3250.474975] Aegis: 1.sh verification failed (no reference hash) | 02:40 |
| artemma | looks like not everything is permitted even in a dev mode | 02:40 |
| artemma | I had just an echo in a shell script | 02:41 |
| artemma | could that be a reason for my scripts not being executed by timed? | 02:41 |
| artemma | though syslog wasn't showing anything | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, hate you. | 02:47 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: more? | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | artemma, dev mode does nothing but install some packages | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't ship | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | you need --relaxed-exec | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, GeneralAntilles hate you both | 02:48 |
| javispedro | uaah | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | don't have money in my prepaid card to buy | 02:48 |
| javispedro | my watch is already in the old continent =) | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pff | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | When did you order? | 02:49 |
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| javispedro | around 5 days ago | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8/30/2011 6:50:12 PM | 02:49 |
| artemma | MohammadAG: thanks | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grr | 02:49 |
| javispedro | er.. 6 already (time passes fast) | 02:49 |
| artemma | looks like I'll have to learn aegis | 02:49 |
| artemma | I hoped to prototype without it | 02:50 |
| artemma | and only care after aegis when I'm sure what I want can be implemented | 02:50 |
| javispedro | artemma: you can also run bash scripts the un-unix way, via "sh script.sh" | 02:50 |
| w00t | what is everyone buying? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://metawatch.org | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Digital version) | 02:50 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: fedex says they picked it up at 6:23PM TX time | 02:51 |
| javispedro | so, if your estimated ship date still says today, they're just less than an hour past time so far | 02:51 |
| artemma | javispedro: thanks! it works from commandline. Will see if it works from timed | 02:52 |
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| MohammadAG | artemma, open terminal, devel-su, pass is rootme, develsh, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, reboot(?) | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about the reboot part, I didn't do it iirc | 03:04 |
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| MohammadAG | you may have to use the full path, /usr/sbin/aegis-developer-mode, unless you tweaked your .profile a bit | 03:04 |
| artemma | MohammadAG:, thanks. Do you know the way to come back? | 03:07 |
| javispedro | better reflash | 03:07 |
| javispedro | but I don't see why anyone would like to come back =) | 03:07 |
| artemma | javispedro, you, know, about 99.9999% of expected users of my app won't have even a developer mode :) | 03:08 |
| artemma | member:javispedro, you know, about 99.9999% of expected users of my app won't have even a developer mode :) | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | about 99.9999% of users will install from a .deb | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | in which case, it'll work | 03:09 |
| artemma | that is exactly why I'd like to test a final deb installation is a "real" device :) | 03:09 |
| artemma | anyway, reflash should help | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, off to bed, night :) | 03:10 |
| artemma | good night | 03:12 |
| artemma | hmm, even after reboot I get operation not permitted when try running scripts | 03:14 |
| artemma | aegis messages in syslog are different though | 03:14 |
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| MohammadAG | capactivie screens, the reason people are going to think i'm stalking them on facebook rather than flicking through my news feed | 08:08 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: dont blame the screens if you have huge fingers | 08:09 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, huge fingers clicking "Like" by mistake? | 08:10 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 08:10 |
| MohammadAG | you know, cause like is an 800*800 button | 08:10 |
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| hiemanshu | :P | 08:14 |
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| artemma | BTW, about fingers. Is everybody really cool about Back browser button in the top left corner of the screen? That is about the hardest screen part to reach | 08:22 |
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| artemma | is there a way to fetch harmattan developer library to offline? | 08:56 |
| artemma | I'll be flying today - good time for concentrated reading abt aegis :) | 08:56 |
| artemma | Or what would be a good starting point for learning aegis? | 08:56 |
| dm8tbr | probably reading the source :/ | 08:57 |
| * xarcass listens to audio version of the Bible while flying | 08:58 | |
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| artemma | Maemo::Timed :( | 09:24 |
| artemma | I asked question about Maemo::Timed at meego forum - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4521 | 09:25 |
| artemma | Do you know if there's a better place for this kind of questions? | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | was timed also in earlier versions of maemo? | 09:26 |
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| gri | Argh ... yesterday I tried for hours getting QML ListView to do "bottom-to-top" layouting ... today I got the solution in the shower and it actually works :/ | 09:44 |
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| artemma | dn8tbr, i am not sure, I think Maemo::Timed was created for meego only | 09:50 |
| hiemanshu | artemma: isnt there the complete docs in Qt Creator? | 09:54 |
| artemma | hiemanshu: I tried searching Qt Assistant for aegis for example. Zero results | 09:55 |
| hiemanshu | artemma: thats odd | 09:55 |
| * hiemanshu tries | 09:55 | |
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| hiemanshu | achipa: morning attila the hun :) | 09:56 |
| artemma | I also thought that aegis docs should reachable from QtCreator, but apparently it's not obvious | 09:56 |
| artemma | morning, attila | 09:56 |
| achipa | 'morning | 09:56 |
| hiemanshu | blame dj for it :P | 09:56 |
| artemma | BTW, achipa, your knowledge is broad and deep, do you happen to know anything about Maemo::Timed? | 09:57 |
| artemma | or at least correct people/places to ask | 09:57 |
| artemma | I struggle trying to run my code once a day or so | 09:57 |
| achipa | timed on *maemo* ? or the one in harmattan ? | 09:57 |
| artemma | don't want to resort to writing a full fledged daemon to sit on dbus | 09:57 |
| artemma | harmattan | 09:58 |
| achipa | nobody does :) there are some docs up there, but not part of the 'official' bunch | 09:58 |
| artemma | but it's still called Maemo::Timed | 09:58 |
| artemma | oh.. | 09:58 |
| achipa | yes, yes, just wanted to clear out bc of fremantle/harmattan differences | 09:58 |
| artemma | that what would be the official way for running code on schedule? | 09:58 |
| artemma | *then what would be | 09:58 |
| artemma | cron seems to be not present in harmattan | 09:59 |
| achipa | officially, it's roll-your-own, in practicfe, timed is still a better choice | 09:59 |
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| artemma | my timed events get scheduled and run e.g. if I want to simulate a calendar event | 09:59 |
| artemma | but if I want to execute any code, nothing happens and I am bouncing my head against everything :) | 10:00 |
| artemma | had a thought that aegis permissions may be involved, but syslog is empty | 10:00 |
| achipa | a sec... | 10:01 |
| artemma | take your time | 10:01 |
| artemma | I am hopeless by now, so can wait for long :) | 10:01 |
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| gri | Is there some wiki with "tips and tricks" for Qt Quick / QML? Can't find one with google | 10:10 |
| artemma | I was thinking about creating one :) | 10:11 |
| artemma | but it never happened | 10:11 |
| artemma | not yet at least | 10:11 |
| achipa | okay, moving docs from nokia developer library to harmattan-dev which doesn't even have a search and managing to break all my treasured bookmarks is NOT funny | 10:13 |
| gri | The question is also: Where? Forum Nokia / Nokia Developer, Qt Developer Network ... ?! | 10:13 |
| artemma | achipa, the fact that search disappeared isn't even driving me crazy, it's too funny :) | 10:14 |
| artemma | gri, I am afraid, google is the best wiki for your needs so far | 10:14 |
| artemma | try #qt-qml channel here | 10:14 |
| gri | artemma: I want to extend it, not look for information :) | 10:14 |
| artemma | many questions are answered quickly there | 10:14 |
| artemma | ah | 10:14 |
| artemma | that's different :) | 10:15 |
| artemma | then you can start one ;) | 10:15 |
| artemma | or wait until I eventually do it | 10:15 |
| artemma | though, I was thinking more about a blog with qml examples rather than a wiki | 10:15 |
| gri | I don't need a blog for one piece of information :P | 10:16 |
| artemma | well, I am into blogs :) | 10:16 |
| * artemma was running http://agilesoftwaredevelopment.com for several years until 40-50K visits month | 10:17 | |
| gri | From the google bot? Sorry ;) | 10:17 |
| sroedal | gri: have you tried developer.qt.nokia.com ? | 10:20 |
| sroedal | gri: specifically the forums, wiki and resources sections | 10:21 |
| gri | sroedal: Only the wiki, but I did not go through all result pages | 10:22 |
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| gri | sroedal: But it looks like pages exist I only don't get how they are linked together | 10:23 |
| gri | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Category:Developing_with_Qt::Qt_Quick::QML | 10:23 |
| gri | Looks like I should only create a "How to ... " page? | 10:24 |
| sroedal | gri: this one for example seems to be in the category "snippets": http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Busy_Indicator_for_QML | 10:24 |
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| sroedal | gri: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Category:Snippets | 10:25 |
| gri | sroedal: Ok, thank you. That should be the right place :) | 10:26 |
| sroedal | gri: great :) | 10:27 |
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| artemma | ok, can it be so that timed is not able to run a command, because of aegis, but there's no syslog entry about it? | 10:38 |
| artemma | I mean nobody is supposed to be able to run unauthorized apps or scripts | 10:39 |
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| artemma | maybe timed's Event COMMAND is considered being a stand-alone script? | 10:39 |
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| gri | artemma: You can request rights for kill etc. in your aegis file, maybe also for your command? | 10:51 |
| artemma | gri, you mean for a concrete shell command line? | 10:52 |
| gri | artemma: Not for a complete commandline but for the commands your commandline uses - I think | 10:52 |
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| artemma | hmm, I tried /usr/bin/cp and /usr/bin/gconftool-2 and /usr/echo | 10:53 |
| artemma | with arguments certainly | 10:53 |
| artemma | just to have an evidence that something was called | 10:53 |
| artemma | these commands should be permitted shouldn't they? | 10:54 |
| gri | artemma: Can you run them with your ssh shell without using "develsh"? | 10:55 |
| artemma | I can run them under root (that's where I get by ssh root@ip) | 10:56 |
| artemma | if I do "su user" then there are no root rights anymore, right | 10:56 |
| gri | artemma: If "accli -I" returns more than 10 lines, you are wrong | 10:57 |
| gri | But I can run the commands you listed | 10:58 |
| artemma | just tried | 10:58 |
| artemma | cp is not possible | 10:58 |
| artemma | but gconftool-2 changes value fine | 10:59 |
| artemma | however, aren't Maemo::timed commands executed by the timed daemon | 10:59 |
| artemma | ? | 10:59 |
| artemma | then aren't they be run under root actually? | 10:59 |
| gri | No idea, I never did such things | 10:59 |
| gri | Let your program return under which user it runs? | 11:00 |
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| artemma | that's exactly a problem, I am not able to get any evidence that the program is actually run :) | 11:01 |
| artemma | oh well, not a program, a shell command for now | 11:01 |
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| achipa | artemma: I take it you went through http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/timed/trees/master/src/doc | 11:04 |
| artemma | achipa: I did several times | 11:04 |
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| achipa | right, sadly it has many to be written sections | 11:04 |
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| artemma | and failed to get the details | 11:04 |
| artemma | biggest problem is that there is no single example runnable on harmattan | 11:05 |
| artemma | well, there is a "simple server" or something like that, but it's just a low level console for api | 11:05 |
| achipa | hmm... examples you say... that just might be in my powers... | 11:05 |
| artemma | HEEEEY!!! That would be super cool :) | 11:05 |
| artemma | I just need a simple example that silently executes a bit of code on schedule | 11:06 |
| artemma | the end goal is to replace wallpaper once a day or so: includes downloading a file, copying a file around and changing a couple of gconf values | 11:06 |
| achipa | we had some with libalarmd but that went away in harmattan | 11:06 |
| artemma | I don't expect your example to do it all, just providing context | 11:07 |
| achipa | right | 11:07 |
| artemma | copying files around ideally happens within /home/user/.wallpapers, but if it's too difficult any other place will do (e.g. /usr/share) | 11:07 |
| artemma | I am leaving for a trip in a couple of hours. May I ask you to be so kind to ping me by email if you figure something out? | 11:08 |
| * artemma tries to look kind and cute | 11:08 | |
| artemma | artem.marchenko@gmail.com | 11:09 |
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| gri | artemma: If you like, correct my entry (You may notice I'm not a good writer :D ) - http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/How_to_make_QML_ListView_align_bottom-to-top | 11:09 |
| artemma | gri, maybe some next time | 11:10 |
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| artemma | I like helping with qml, but not today - got to prepare lots of stuff for flight | 11:11 |
| artemma | it's only this Maemo::Timed that can distract me :) | 11:11 |
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| hiemanshu | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/09/google-intel-team-up-on-future-android-phones-tablets.html | 12:01 |
| hiemanshu | now, meego is pretty screwed | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | why, though - i am wondering why it didnt happpen before | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | intel does windows, yocto, etc | 12:04 |
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| dm8tbr | we're all going to die! | 12:07 |
| dm8tbr | (some day, in the future) | 12:07 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | hiemanshu: intel never said it won't support other OSes | 12:07 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | hiemanshu: in fact, it's in Intel's best financial interest to support as many OSes as they can | 12:07 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_webchat_: they said they wont work on meego anymore | 12:08 |
| hiemanshu | and now they are teaming up with Google | 12:08 |
| Arkenoi | hiemanshu, did they? | 12:08 |
| * hiemanshu should go back to being an apple user | 12:08 | |
| TheBootroo | why would you think a manufacturer can't support many OSes ? diversity is a protection against crisis ! | 12:08 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | hiemanshu: who said that and where? link pls. | 12:08 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | hiemanshu: if you are referring to the "industry sources" rumor, that is already proven to be a fake | 12:09 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: they never said that, its a rumor and they have said many times that it was wrong | 12:09 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 12:09 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: these rumors are probably lanched by an angry analyst, or a freedom hater, or simply a fanboys website | 12:09 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | or google. | 12:10 |
| hiemanshu | or M$ | 12:10 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | or anyone whose interest is that | 12:10 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | yeah. | 12:10 |
| Arkenoi | or Eldar | 12:10 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | if I were a competitor to meego, I would definitely launch such rumors. | 12:10 |
| hiemanshu | or Elop | 12:10 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 12:10 | |
| TheBootroo | and, as Texrat said on the forum, meego is not dead, it is just not yet materialized | 12:10 |
| RST38h | Texrat has said so many things in so many different forums... | 12:11 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo_webchat_: the fact is the N9 is a killer phone and even the nokia boss wants to kill it in the egg to not hide the WPy launching | 12:11 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | ttyl | 12:11 |
| hiemanshu | I love the way moblin works on my nettop, just wish meego is worthy enough to replace it | 12:11 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | TheBootroo: indeed | 12:11 |
| hiemanshu | fedora + moblin | 12:11 |
| TheBootroo | and more, meego can't die since its a fully open project, it can't be sold and we can maintain it ourselve | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Moblin *was* Fedora | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Moblin2 to be exact. Moblin1 was based on Debian | 12:12 |
| TheBootroo | i have the N950 atm and i must say i NEVER saw a such phone | 12:12 |
| TheBootroo | NEVER | 12:12 |
| hiemanshu | TheBootroo: maybe you are selectively blind :P | 12:13 |
| TheBootroo | and all the people who have seen it and touched it will buy the N9 | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: well more like vanilla fedora + the moblin UI | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/moblin/ | 12:13 |
| alterego | It is a bit of a Jesus phone | 12:13 |
| alterego | All my friends say they want one at it looks sexy | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Is it the Cthulhu phone! | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Armed with Aegis, etc | 12:14 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: why ? because i don't care about the billion apps hype ? this phone has almost ALL I NEED out of the box ! and the remaining needs are already filled by community apps of professional quality | 12:14 |
| alterego | Hah, they started shipping the 700 and 701 with Belle | 12:14 |
| alterego | Still no N9s though | 12:14 |
| RST38h | We got it, TheBootroo, no need to reiterate | 12:14 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: its at preorder in australia and finland | 12:14 |
| TheBootroo | IMO, as WP7 has yet been delayed, in less than 6 month nokia will announce.... a parrallel serie of MeeGo phones | 12:16 |
| TheBootroo | AFAIK almost nobody wants these MS phones shits | 12:16 |
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| TheBootroo | so when they will see the N9 sells and compares to the WP sells, they will understand | 12:16 |
| faenil | heya everyone :D good morning! :) | 12:17 |
| TheBootroo | the only way to get the customers money is not the force them to buy something they don't want/need, but in listening what they like and give it to them | 12:17 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: good morning | 12:17 |
| Arkenoi | meego is fully open but it is not ready. harmattan is ready but it is not fully open (nor even fremantle). the bottom line is we do *not* have an open phone system except openmoko which is sad joke. | 12:18 |
| alterego | But what about Android? | 12:18 |
| * alterego chuckles | 12:18 | |
| Arkenoi | and i bet Nokia did it intentionally | 12:18 |
| alterego | bullshit | 12:18 |
| alterego | Anyway, I'm gonna have a shower. | 12:18 |
| TheBootroo | Arkenoi: harmattan is open enough to provide a quite good basis for open source developper to experiment with meego apis | 12:19 |
| hiemanshu | as an end user I could care less if an OS is open or not, I just want something that works | 12:19 |
| TheBootroo | and some parts are closed because they use technologies that don't belong to nokia, or because nokia had patents over them before harmattan dev started (maybe symbian techs) | 12:20 |
| Arkenoi | but not something you can flash to commodity chinese hardware and get working device like you can do with android or (yak!) winCE/WM6.5 | 12:20 |
| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: i fully agree, i want a not restrictive OS, but not necessary a 200% open OS | 12:20 |
| Arkenoi | so end user cannot buy a meego phone. | 12:21 |
| hiemanshu | TheBootroo: not restrictive? sorry aegis kills you there | 12:21 |
| Arkenoi | TheBootroo, nokia had enough money to buy out everything they need or choose an open alternative without silly excuses, they just did not want to | 12:22 |
| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: s/nokia/elop/ | 12:22 |
| Arkenoi | like they did back in GEOS days | 12:22 |
| TheBootroo | Arkenoi: meego phone will maybe never exist, there will be customized flavours of meego, more polished, for end user (as harmattan is, but its is different of meego because nokia reused some techs from MAemo instead of being 100% based on meego equivalents) | 12:22 |
| Arkenoi | "ah, sorry, we do not own the thing, it is different company" | 12:22 |
| Arkenoi | (which we could by for a fraction of budget spent on a toilet paper) | 12:23 |
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| TheBootroo | hiemanshu: just provide a correct manifest with your app and aegis will not hurt | 12:23 |
| Venemo_webchat_ | will be back later | 12:23 |
| * RST38h sighs: some people just do not let the reality into their lives | 12:23 | |
| RST38h | BTW, anyone knows how to "provide a correct manifest" if you are building your package from the platform SDK (and not Qt Creator)? | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Is it at all possible? | 12:24 |
| Arkenoi | hiemanshu, it was made this way for years long before Elop | 12:24 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: i dunno i used Qt creator and my app installs and works well, its all i need to know | 12:25 |
| RST38h | TheBootroo: So, your answer is you do not know. | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Figures. | 12:25 |
| TheBootroo | maybe | 12:26 |
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| TheBootroo | but i don't care, all i need to develop is in the nokia sdk | 12:27 |
| TheBootroo | i guess is what we need to use to develop | 12:27 |
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| Hq` | you can edit debian/<packagename>.aegis without Qt creator :) | 12:29 |
| Hq` | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Developing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Harmattan_security/Creating_a_manifest_file_manually | 12:39 |
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| artemma | how do you register your binary to be started during bootup? | 12:49 |
| * artemma thinks about creating an always-on daemon if fail to figure how to run binary on schedule | 12:49 | |
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| alterego | upstart | 12:52 |
| artemma | just got a message from saunalahti. N9 comes to Finland in October | 12:52 |
| alterego | Nokia 700 and 701 already started shipping apparently. | 12:52 |
| alterego | Crazy world! | 12:53 |
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| leinir | So, when do you think Belle will be available for my N8? ;) | 12:53 |
| alterego | Are you running it already? | 12:54 |
| alterego | I really like it | 12:54 |
| artemma | Funny, Belle ships days after Anna :) | 12:54 |
| alterego | I ran Anna for a week | 12:54 |
| artemma | What was the Anna's point then? | 12:54 |
| alterego | Incremental software updates :) | 12:54 |
| artemma | or did they decide just to split too many updates into batches | 12:54 |
| artemma | ? | 12:54 |
| alterego | Belle wasn't finished when Anna was going through the four year testing period :P | 12:55 |
| wazd | heya all | 12:56 |
| artemma | oh yeah, Anna alone was a firmware update + 3-5 separate downloads + a couple of reboots. If they added Belle updates to the same batch, not everybody would have enough patience to complete it all without complaining loudly on the web | 12:56 |
| faenil | And Anna's still not here... | 12:56 |
| faenil | that is ridicolous | 12:57 |
| artemma | in fact Symbian Anna is one of the reasons I am not really using N950 Completed Symbian works better than incompleted Harmattan :) | 12:57 |
| alterego | leinir: you running Belle yet? | 12:57 |
| leinir | faenil: with "here" being...? | 12:57 |
| leinir | alterego: no, just Anna :) My better half has the device, though :) | 12:57 |
| alterego | Heh, I'm using N8 as primary right now, with an O2 sim it's the most reliable smart device I've had in ages. | 12:58 |
| alterego | The belle I'm running lacks some of the features that were in Anna though. | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Why did you install Belle in the first place? | 12:58 |
| alterego | Fancied a look :P | 12:59 |
| RST38h | ah | 12:59 |
| faenil | leinir: Italy | 12:59 |
| faenil | my N8 is not even branded | 12:59 |
| alterego | faenil: you could update it manually :P | 12:59 |
| alterego | Took me ages to sort out the update in the UK | 12:59 |
| faenil | alterego: you mean with another product code? | 12:59 |
| artemma | So Nokia is able to create reliable smartphones even after firing hell a lot of engineers. The only thing needed is to focus on just a few phones instead of dozens in the roadmap :) | 13:00 |
| faenil | I've made custom firmwares for 2 years for symbian :) | 13:00 |
| leinir | artemma: too many chefs... ;) | 13:00 |
| faenil | not that I'm scaried from the warranty voiding procedures | 13:00 |
| alterego | artemma: or develop more sane firmware that works on multiple products without seperate product managers .. | 13:00 |
| faenil | but this sucks, Belle is out and we still don't have Anna | 13:00 |
| faenil | alterego: exactly | 13:01 |
| alterego | Hopefully that is the way they are going now ;) | 13:02 |
| alterego | gitorious is sloooow today | 13:02 |
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| alterego | tbh, I'm pretty unstoppable carrying around N950, N900 and N8 | 13:04 |
| hiemanshu | hmm, I have a N950, N900, Acer Liquid E, and a cheap phone in my pocket right now | 13:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Big pocket. | 13:10 |
| faenil | Acer Liquid E...got that, the 512mb ram version...it sucks XD | 13:14 |
| faenil | one of the worst android firmware I have ever seen :D | 13:14 |
| faenil | do you like that hiemanshu? | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | faenil: I have MIUI on it, love it :P | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | faenil: there is MIUI, 2.3.5 Vanilla and what not :P | 13:15 |
| faenil | good :) I had a cfw on it, but still it sucked XD | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | its pretty decent | 13:16 |
| faenil | I hate it november last year probably ;) | 13:17 |
| faenil | had it* | 13:17 |
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| seif | hey guys | 16:29 |
| seif | is there any new frimware or image | 16:30 |
| seif | ? | 16:30 |
| alterego | Nope | 16:31 |
| hiemanshu | dont expect one until late 2012 | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | seif: nothing happened with your screen? | 16:32 |
| Venemo_webchat | lol | 16:32 |
| RST38h | WP7 firmware will be available in 2012 =) | 16:33 |
| seif | SpeedEvil, i am receiving a replacment | 16:33 |
| seif | the screen keeps getting worse | 16:33 |
| seif | I want to log things off skype | 16:34 |
| seif | but skype is not on the n950 | 16:34 |
| seif | -.- | 16:34 |
| hiemanshu | RST38h: you got the phun :D | 16:34 |
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| Venemo_webchat | seif: pixel errors too? | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo is suffering the same problem, and I pointed him at your screenshot seif. | 16:42 |
| Venemo_webchat | well, I'm not sure if it's the same problem | 16:44 |
| Venemo_webchat | but it seemed somewhat similar | 16:45 |
| Venemo_webchat | seif: what was the solution? does Nokia replace the N950 for you? | 16:45 |
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| gri | Is there any program to record a screencast on the n950 including where I touch? :) | 17:01 |
| dm8tbr | that would be seriously cool | 17:02 |
| berndhs | when you find it, let me know | 17:02 |
| dm8tbr | one guess (minus the touch events) gstreamer, is that in the images? | 17:03 |
| gri | recordmydesktop commandline for the phone would do this I think | 17:04 |
| * gri checks dependencies | 17:04 | |
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| gri | maemo libvorbis won't compile in harmattan scratchbox :( | 17:18 |
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| gri | I finally managed to copy the messaging app ui in qml ;) http://gri.not-censored.com/web2sms/2011-09-14_16-36-18.png | 17:40 |
| alterego | Nice :) | 17:42 |
| gri | http://gri.not-censored.com/web2sms/2011-09-14_16-36-40.png | 17:43 |
| gri | and http://gri.not-censored.com/web2sms/2011-09-14_16-37-48.png | 17:43 |
| alterego | Very cool :) | 17:43 |
| gri | but for some reason the original messaging app shows names where I have unknown contact ... | 17:44 |
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| MohammadAG | gri, how are you squircling images? :) | 17:58 |
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| gri | com.nokia.meego.MaskedItem | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | QML thing? | 17:58 |
| gri | yep | 17:58 |
| gri | the image provider returns a rectangular ones | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | disappointing :p | 17:58 |
| gri | The letters on the black ones have to be drawn by QPainter | 17:59 |
| gri | MohammadAG: I could also do this from c++ - but why if it works :) | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | gri, how? | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | I need to squircle some images | 18:00 |
| gri | Look into /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/theme/basement/meegotouch-avatar/ | 18:01 |
| gri | there are pre defined image masks which you can also use with QPainter | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | I want to write the squircles to a file though | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | why? cause that's the only way a notification can show them | 18:04 |
| gri | Nothing prevents you from writing images? | 18:04 |
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| MohammadAG | true, just need to figure it out then | 18:06 |
| gri | Only look in the Qt docs for mask(s), should be somewhere at QPixmap or QPainter | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | any ideas how you'd use the transparent one though? | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise I'd need to make two images, one for black and one for white backgrounds | 18:07 |
| gri | The mask does not define a color, only the shape | 18:08 |
| gri | if you mask a red rectangle it will be round and still red | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | point is, if I set the mask, do I have to "cut" out what's outside the frames? | 18:10 |
| gri | everything outside the mask gets transparent | 18:10 |
| gri | as far as I remember | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | interesting | 18:11 |
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| MohammadAG | gri, after setting mask I'm getting null images | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | well, pixmaps | 18:20 |
| gri | MohammadAG: Do the mask and the image have the same size? Did you try a inversed mask? | 18:20 |
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| MohammadAG | oh... same size | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | gri, I get the shape of a squircle in black drawn over the image | 18:25 |
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| gri | MohammadAG: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/mdeclarativemaskeditem.cpp#line90 | 18:27 |
| gri | code speaks more than words :) | 18:27 |
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| faenil | talk is cheap, show me the code | 18:27 |
| faenil | xD | 18:27 |
| gri | Uhm but it looks like they do the masking with graphics items not QPainter | 18:28 |
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| gri | composition modes ... masking .. all the same :P | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | gri, problem is, I need a .png, a QImage or QPixmap | 18:30 |
| gri | Yes, only look at the few lines 107 - 116 | 18:31 |
| gri | that's the part you want for masking | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | that's using QPainter :p | 18:31 |
| gri | Yes, I'm confused today | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 18:33 |
| faenil | mmm Nokia inviting me to a WP training XD | 18:35 |
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| alterego | faenil: in London? :) | 18:38 |
| faenil | no, Italy :D | 18:38 |
| faenil | thing, 26th (training day) is the second anniversary with my gf :D | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure you wanna m miss the training then ;) | 18:40 |
| alterego | 26th this month? | 18:40 |
| faenil | yep | 18:41 |
| faenil | I'm obviously going to miss that...BUT, my gf has a uni exam on 28th...so there's the chance she's going to be studying the whole day on 26th... XD | 18:42 |
| alterego | Oh, I got invited to the 10th of next. | 18:42 |
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| * gri only got a Facebook invitation to "Qt Developer Days Munich" which is about 40 km from here but they still want the entry fee :( | 18:45 | |
| faenil | gri: I'm trying to get sponsored by Nokia, if you're a student or such you could try too... | 18:46 |
| gri | At the moment I'm workless since I had quit my job to go to university which starts at october 4th :D | 18:46 |
| faenil | oh :D | 18:47 |
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| faenil | I'm waiting for the answer from the Nokia guy, there's a chance I'm going to get ticket and hotel :D | 18:47 |
| faenil | I really hope to...that would be amazing :) | 18:48 |
| gri | faenil: To munich? | 18:48 |
| faenil | that entry fee is sci-fi for students | 18:48 |
| faenil | yes | 18:48 |
| faenil | :) | 18:48 |
| gri | Once a guy from my former company was allowed to go there and I was very pissed at him :P | 18:49 |
| faenil | xD | 18:49 |
| faenil | you won't be pissed at me if I get to, right? :) I'm a poor student xD | 18:49 |
| gri | I'm even poorer ;) | 18:49 |
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| gri | Nokia has no reason to give me a free ticket ... but they also had no reason to give me the N950 and they did :P | 18:53 |
| faenil | why should they give me a free ticket then? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | poor students galore | 18:54 |
| faenil | you'd better try ;) I know a german guy who's getting a ticket | 18:54 |
| gri | faenil: Whom to ask? | 18:54 |
| faenil | and he's no big developer, just electronic engin uni student | 18:54 |
| faenil | let me look | 18:54 |
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| faenil | pmed ;)= | 18:56 |
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| alterego | lcuk has died :( | 19:15 |
| wazd | wha? | 19:16 |
| faenil | ? | 19:17 |
| alterego | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-September/004501.html | 19:17 |
| wazd | ... | 19:18 |
| faenil | omg... | 19:18 |
| wazd | ~seen lcuk | 19:21 |
| infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 2h 20m 40s ago, saying: 'heh'. | 19:21 |
| faenil | ... | 19:22 |
| faenil | don't think anyone would make jokes on that... | 19:22 |
| faenil | it's so sad :( | 19:22 |
| alterego | lcuk2 is still here :/ | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. let's deal with that some other time | 19:24 |
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| faenil | :( | 19:25 |
| alterego | I think I'm going to go for a bit. | 19:25 |
| alterego | bbl | 19:25 |
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| faenil | I'm currently speechless... | 19:36 |
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| faenil | for those interested in lcuk, come to #maemo | 19:40 |
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| faenil | got a ticket for dev days!!! | 20:44 |
| faenil | yeeeah | 20:44 |
| faenil | :D | 20:44 |
| faenil | guys, is there anyone you know who could host me in Munich or close to that? | 20:45 |
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| faenil | anyone? | 20:51 |
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