IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-09-14

GeneralAntillesjavispedro, they are headquartered in Texas, though.00:02
GeneralAntillesStill processing here00:02
GeneralAntillesno shipment yet00:02
alteregoI knew I should have kept a backup of my madde targets00:03
* alterego sighs00:03
javispedroeveryone knows that's just facade, their true one is in .in =)00:03
javispedroGeneralAntilles: I got a fedex priority tracking id00:03
javispedroso, thursday00:03
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javispedro(watches apple's ad about apple airplay) seems that Nokia is late with those NFC speakers...00:33
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, hate you00:39
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, well, all of the TI employees /I/ know are in Texas. :P00:39
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artemmaIf I am unable to start my code on timer, can I write a daemon that would have an own timer02:29
artemmaI mean are 3rd party devs willing to sell via Ovi store allowed to install daemons?02:30
artemmaand request them to be started during boot-up02:31
MohammadAGtechnically, you can put anything on the store as long as it doesn't need external deps02:31
artemmahow come there are cron.daily and cron.weekly, in /etc, but no crond is running?02:34
* SpeedEvil imagines cron in ovi store for $502:39
artemmawon't be useful except for developers :)02:40
artemmain order to be useful by apps, cron needs to be in firmware02:40
artemmaSep 14 02:40:13 (none) kernel: [ 3250.474975] Aegis: verification failed (no reference hash)02:40
artemmalooks like not everything is permitted even in a dev mode02:40
artemmaI had just an echo in a shell script02:41
artemmacould that be a reason for my scripts not being executed by timed?02:41
artemmathough syslog wasn't showing anything02:41
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, hate you.02:47
javispedroGeneralAntilles: more?02:47
MohammadAGartemma, dev mode does nothing but install some packages02:47
GeneralAntillesDidn't ship02:47
MohammadAGyou need --relaxed-exec02:47
MohammadAGjavispedro, GeneralAntilles hate you both02:48
MohammadAGdon't have money in my prepaid card to buy02:48
javispedromy watch is already in the old continent =)02:48
GeneralAntillesWhen did you order?02:49
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javispedroaround 5 days ago02:49
GeneralAntilles8/30/2011 6:50:12 PM02:49
artemmaMohammadAG: thanks02:49
javispedroer.. 6 already (time passes fast)02:49
artemmalooks like I'll have to learn aegis02:49
artemmaI hoped to prototype without it02:50
artemmaand only care after aegis when I'm sure what I want can be implemented02:50
javispedroartemma: you can also run bash scripts the un-unix way, via "sh"02:50
w00twhat is everyone buying?02:50
GeneralAntilles(Digital version)02:50
javispedroGeneralAntilles: fedex says they picked it up at 6:23PM TX time02:51
javispedroso, if your estimated ship date still says today, they're just less than an hour past time so far02:51
artemmajavispedro: thanks! it works from commandline. Will see if it works from timed02:52
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MohammadAGartemma, open terminal, devel-su, pass is rootme, develsh, aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec, reboot(?)03:04
MohammadAGnot sure about the reboot part, I didn't do it iirc03:04
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MohammadAGyou may have to use the full path, /usr/sbin/aegis-developer-mode, unless you tweaked your .profile a bit03:04
artemmaMohammadAG:, thanks. Do you know the way to come back?03:07
javispedrobetter reflash03:07
javispedrobut I don't see why anyone would like to come back =)03:07
artemmajavispedro, you, know, about 99.9999% of expected users of my app won't have even a developer mode :)03:08
artemmamember:javispedro, you know, about 99.9999% of expected users of my app won't have even a developer mode :)03:08
MohammadAGabout 99.9999% of users will install from a .deb03:08
MohammadAGin which case, it'll work03:09
artemmathat is exactly why I'd like to test a final deb installation is a "real" device :)03:09
artemmaanyway, reflash should help03:09
MohammadAGanyway, off to bed, night :)03:10
artemmagood night03:12
artemmahmm, even after reboot I get operation not permitted when try running scripts03:14
artemmaaegis messages in syslog are different though03:14
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MohammadAGcapactivie screens, the reason people are going to think i'm stalking them on facebook rather than flicking through my news feed08:08
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: dont blame the screens if you have huge fingers08:09
MohammadAGhiemanshu, huge fingers clicking "Like" by mistake?08:10
MohammadAGyou know, cause like is an 800*800 button08:10
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artemmaBTW, about fingers. Is everybody really cool about Back browser button in the top left corner of the screen? That is about the hardest screen part to reach08:22
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artemmais there a way to fetch harmattan developer library to offline?08:56
artemmaI'll be flying today - good time for concentrated reading abt aegis :)08:56
artemmaOr what would be a good starting point for learning aegis?08:56
dm8tbrprobably reading the source :/08:57
* xarcass listens to audio version of the Bible while flying08:58
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artemmaMaemo::Timed :(09:24
artemmaI asked question about Maemo::Timed at meego forum -
artemmaDo you know if there's a better place for this kind of questions?09:25
dm8tbrwas timed also in earlier versions of maemo?09:26
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griArgh ... yesterday I tried for hours getting QML ListView to do "bottom-to-top" layouting ... today I got the solution in the shower and it actually works :/09:44
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artemmadn8tbr, i am not sure, I think Maemo::Timed was created for meego only09:50
hiemanshuartemma: isnt there the complete docs in Qt Creator?09:54
artemmahiemanshu: I tried searching Qt Assistant for aegis for example. Zero results09:55
hiemanshuartemma: thats odd09:55
* hiemanshu tries09:55
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hiemanshuachipa: morning attila the hun :)09:56
artemmaI also thought that aegis docs should reachable from QtCreator, but apparently it's not obvious09:56
artemmamorning, attila09:56
hiemanshublame dj for it :P09:56
artemmaBTW, achipa, your knowledge is broad and deep, do you happen to know anything about Maemo::Timed?09:57
artemmaor at least correct people/places to ask09:57
artemmaI struggle trying to run my code once a day or so09:57
achipatimed on *maemo* ? or the one in harmattan ?09:57
artemmadon't want to resort to writing a full fledged daemon to sit on dbus09:57
achipanobody does :) there are some docs up there, but not part of the 'official' bunch09:58
artemmabut it's still called Maemo::Timed09:58
achipayes, yes, just wanted to clear out bc of fremantle/harmattan differences09:58
artemmathat what would be the official way for running code on schedule?09:58
artemma*then what would be09:58
artemmacron seems to be not present in harmattan09:59
achipaofficially, it's roll-your-own, in practicfe, timed is still a better choice09:59
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artemmamy timed events get scheduled and run e.g. if I want to simulate a calendar event09:59
artemmabut if I want to execute any code, nothing happens and I am bouncing my head against everything :)10:00
artemmahad a thought that aegis permissions may be involved, but syslog is empty10:00
achipaa sec...10:01
artemmatake your time10:01
artemmaI am hopeless by now, so can wait for long :)10:01
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griIs there some wiki with "tips and tricks" for Qt Quick / QML? Can't find one with google10:10
artemmaI was thinking about creating one :)10:11
artemmabut it never happened10:11
artemmanot yet at least10:11
achipaokay, moving docs from nokia developer library to harmattan-dev which doesn't even have a search and managing to break all my treasured bookmarks is NOT funny10:13
griThe question is also: Where? Forum Nokia / Nokia Developer, Qt Developer Network ... ?!10:13
artemmaachipa, the fact that search disappeared isn't even driving me crazy, it's too funny :)10:14
artemmagri, I am afraid, google is the best wiki for your needs so far10:14
artemmatry #qt-qml channel here10:14
griartemma: I want to extend it, not look for information :)10:14
artemmamany questions are answered quickly there10:14
artemmathat's different :)10:15
artemmathen you can start one ;)10:15
artemmaor wait until I eventually do it10:15
artemmathough, I was thinking more about a blog with qml examples rather than a wiki10:15
griI don't need a blog for one piece of information :P10:16
artemmawell, I am into blogs :)10:16
* artemma was running for several years until 40-50K visits month10:17
griFrom the google bot? Sorry ;)10:17
sroedalgri: have you tried ?10:20
sroedalgri: specifically the forums, wiki and resources sections10:21
grisroedal: Only the wiki, but I did not go through all result pages10:22
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grisroedal: But it looks like pages exist I only don't get how they are linked together10:23
griLooks like I should only create a "How to ... " page?10:24
sroedalgri: this one for example seems to be in the category "snippets":
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grisroedal: Ok, thank you. That should be the right place :)10:26
sroedalgri: great :)10:27
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artemmaok, can it be so that timed is not able to run a command, because of aegis, but there's no syslog entry about it?10:38
artemmaI mean nobody is supposed to be able to run unauthorized apps or scripts10:39
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artemmamaybe timed's Event COMMAND is considered being a stand-alone script?10:39
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griartemma: You can request rights for kill etc. in your aegis file, maybe also for your command?10:51
artemmagri, you mean for a concrete shell command line?10:52
griartemma: Not for a complete commandline but for the commands your commandline uses - I think10:52
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artemmahmm, I tried /usr/bin/cp and /usr/bin/gconftool-2 and /usr/echo10:53
artemmawith arguments certainly10:53
artemmajust to have an evidence that something was called10:53
artemmathese commands should be permitted shouldn't they?10:54
griartemma: Can you run them with your ssh shell without using "develsh"?10:55
artemmaI can run them under root (that's where I get by ssh root@ip)10:56
artemmaif I do "su user" then there are no root rights anymore, right10:56
griartemma: If "accli -I" returns more than 10 lines, you are wrong10:57
griBut I can run the commands you listed10:58
artemmajust tried10:58
artemmacp is not possible10:58
artemmabut gconftool-2 changes value fine10:59
artemmahowever, aren't Maemo::timed commands executed by the timed daemon10:59
artemmathen aren't they be run under root actually?10:59
griNo idea, I never did such things10:59
griLet your program return under which user it runs?11:00
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artemmathat's exactly a problem, I am not able to get any evidence that the program is actually run :)11:01
artemmaoh well, not a program, a shell command for now11:01
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achipaartemma: I take it you went through
artemmaachipa: I did several times11:04
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achiparight, sadly it has many to be written sections11:04
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artemmaand failed to get the details11:04
artemmabiggest problem is that there is no single example runnable on harmattan11:05
artemmawell, there is a "simple server" or something like that, but it's just a low level console for api11:05
achipahmm... examples you say... that just might be in my powers...11:05
artemmaHEEEEY!!! That would be super cool :)11:05
artemmaI just need a simple example that silently executes a bit of code on schedule11:06
artemmathe end goal is to replace wallpaper once a day or so: includes downloading a file, copying a file around and changing a couple of gconf values11:06
achipawe had some with libalarmd but that went away in harmattan11:06
artemmaI don't expect your example to do it all, just providing context11:07
artemmacopying files around ideally happens within /home/user/.wallpapers, but if it's too difficult any other place will do (e.g. /usr/share)11:07
artemmaI am leaving for a trip in a couple of hours. May I ask you to be so kind to ping me by email if you figure something out?11:08
* artemma tries to look kind and cute11:08
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griartemma: If you like, correct my entry (You may notice I'm not a good writer :D ) -
artemmagri, maybe some next time11:10
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artemmaI like helping with qml, but not today - got to prepare lots of stuff for flight11:11
artemmait's only this Maemo::Timed that can distract me :)11:11
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hiemanshunow, meego is pretty screwed12:01
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Stskeepswhy, though - i am wondering why it didnt happpen before12:04
Stskeepsintel does windows, yocto, etc12:04
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dm8tbrwe're all going to die!12:07
dm8tbr(some day, in the future)12:07
Venemo_webchat_hiemanshu: intel never said it won't support other OSes12:07
Venemo_webchat_hiemanshu: in fact, it's in Intel's best financial interest to support as many OSes as they can12:07
hiemanshuVenemo_webchat_: they said they wont work on meego anymore12:08
hiemanshuand now they are teaming up with Google12:08
Arkenoihiemanshu, did they?12:08
* hiemanshu should go back to being an apple user12:08
TheBootroowhy would you think a manufacturer can't support many OSes ? diversity is a protection against crisis !12:08
Venemo_webchat_hiemanshu: who said that and where? link pls.12:08
Venemo_webchat_hiemanshu: if you are referring to the "industry sources" rumor, that is already proven to be a fake12:09
TheBootroohiemanshu: they never said that, its a rumor and they have said many times that it was wrong12:09
TheBootroohiemanshu: these rumors are probably lanched by an angry analyst, or a freedom hater, or simply a fanboys website12:09
Venemo_webchat_or google.12:10
hiemanshuor M$12:10
Venemo_webchat_or anyone whose interest is that12:10
Arkenoior Eldar12:10
Venemo_webchat_if I were a competitor to meego, I would definitely launch such rumors.12:10
hiemanshuor Elop12:10
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TheBootrooand, as Texrat said on the forum, meego is not dead, it is just not yet materialized12:10
RST38hTexrat has said so many things in so many different forums...12:11
TheBootrooVenemo_webchat_: the fact is the N9 is a killer phone and even the nokia boss wants to kill  it in the egg to not hide the WPy launching12:11
hiemanshuI love the way moblin works on my nettop, just wish meego is worthy enough to replace it12:11
Venemo_webchat_TheBootroo: indeed12:11
hiemanshufedora + moblin12:11
TheBootrooand more, meego can't die since its a fully open project, it can't be sold and we can maintain it ourselve12:12
RST38hMoblin *was* Fedora12:12
RST38hMoblin2 to be exact. Moblin1 was based on Debian12:12
TheBootrooi have the N950 atm and i must say i NEVER saw a such phone12:12
hiemanshuTheBootroo: maybe you are selectively blind :P12:13
TheBootrooand all the people who have seen it and touched it will buy the N912:13
hiemanshuRST38h: well more like vanilla fedora + the moblin UI12:13
alteregoIt is a bit of a Jesus phone12:13
alteregoAll my friends say they want one at it looks sexy12:13
RST38hIs it the Cthulhu phone!12:14
RST38hArmed with Aegis, etc12:14
TheBootroohiemanshu: why ? because i don't care about the billion apps hype ? this phone has almost ALL I NEED out of the box !  and the remaining needs are already filled by community apps of professional quality12:14
alteregoHah, they started shipping the 700 and 701 with Belle12:14
alteregoStill no N9s though12:14
RST38hWe got it, TheBootroo, no need to reiterate12:14
TheBootrooalterego: its at preorder in australia and finland12:14
TheBootrooIMO, as WP7 has yet been delayed, in less than  6 month nokia will announce.... a parrallel serie of MeeGo phones12:16
TheBootrooAFAIK almost nobody wants these MS phones shits12:16
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TheBootrooso when they will see the N9 sells and compares to the WP sells, they will understand12:16
faenilheya everyone :D good morning! :)12:17
TheBootroothe only way to get the customers money is not the force them to buy something they don't want/need, but in listening what they like and give it to them12:17
TheBootroofaenil: good morning12:17
Arkenoimeego is fully open but it is not ready. harmattan is ready but it is not fully open (nor even fremantle). the bottom line is we do *not* have an open phone system except openmoko which is sad joke.12:18
alteregoBut what about Android?12:18
* alterego chuckles12:18
Arkenoiand i bet Nokia did it intentionally12:18
alteregoAnyway, I'm gonna have a shower.12:18
TheBootrooArkenoi: harmattan is open enough to provide a quite good basis for open source developper to experiment with meego apis12:19
hiemanshuas an end user I could care less if an OS is open or not, I just want something that works12:19
TheBootrooand some parts are closed because they use technologies that don't belong to nokia, or because nokia had patents over them before harmattan dev started (maybe symbian techs)12:20
Arkenoibut not something you can flash to commodity chinese hardware and get working device like you can do with android or (yak!) winCE/WM6.512:20
TheBootroohiemanshu: i fully agree, i want a not restrictive OS, but not necessary a 200% open OS12:20
Arkenoiso end user cannot buy a meego phone.12:21
hiemanshuTheBootroo: not restrictive? sorry aegis kills you there12:21
ArkenoiTheBootroo, nokia had enough money to buy out everything they need or choose an open alternative without silly excuses, they just did not want to12:22
hiemanshuArkenoi: s/nokia/elop/12:22
Arkenoilike they did back in GEOS days12:22
TheBootrooArkenoi: meego phone will maybe never exist, there will be customized flavours of meego, more polished, for end user (as harmattan is, but its is different of meego because nokia reused some techs from MAemo instead of being 100% based on meego equivalents)12:22
Arkenoi"ah, sorry, we do not own the thing, it is different company"12:22
Arkenoi(which we could by for a fraction of budget spent on a toilet paper)12:23
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TheBootroohiemanshu: just provide a correct manifest with your app and aegis will not hurt12:23
Venemo_webchat_will be back later12:23
* RST38h sighs: some people just do not let the reality into their lives12:23
RST38hBTW, anyone knows how to "provide a correct manifest" if you are building your package from the platform SDK (and not Qt Creator)?12:24
RST38hIs it at all possible?12:24
Arkenoihiemanshu, it was made this way for years long before Elop12:24
TheBootrooRST38h: i dunno i used Qt creator and my app installs and works well, its all i need to know12:25
RST38hTheBootroo: So, your answer is you do not know.12:25
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TheBootroobut i don't care, all i need to develop is in the nokia sdk12:27
TheBootrooi guess is what we need to use to develop12:27
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Hq`you can edit debian/<packagename>.aegis without Qt creator :)12:29
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artemmahow do you register your binary to be started during bootup?12:49
* artemma thinks about creating an always-on daemon if fail to figure how to run binary on schedule12:49
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artemmajust got a message from saunalahti. N9 comes to Finland in October12:52
alteregoNokia 700 and 701 already started shipping apparently.12:52
alteregoCrazy world!12:53
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leinirSo, when do you think Belle will be available for my N8? ;)12:53
alteregoAre you running it already?12:54
alteregoI really like it12:54
artemmaFunny, Belle ships days after Anna :)12:54
alteregoI ran Anna for a week12:54
artemmaWhat was the Anna's point then?12:54
alteregoIncremental software updates :)12:54
artemmaor did they decide just to split too many updates into batches12:54
alteregoBelle wasn't finished when Anna was going through the four year testing period :P12:55
wazdheya all12:56
artemmaoh yeah, Anna alone was a firmware update + 3-5 separate downloads + a couple of reboots. If they added Belle updates to the same batch, not everybody would have enough patience to complete it all without complaining loudly on the web12:56
faenilAnd Anna's still not here...12:56
faenilthat is ridicolous12:57
artemmain fact Symbian Anna is one of the reasons I am not really using N950 Completed Symbian works better than incompleted Harmattan :)12:57
alteregoleinir: you running Belle yet?12:57
leinirfaenil: with "here" being...?12:57
leiniralterego: no, just Anna :) My better half has the device, though :)12:57
alteregoHeh, I'm using N8 as primary right now, with an O2 sim it's the most reliable smart device I've had in ages.12:58
alteregoThe belle I'm running lacks some of the features that were in Anna though.12:58
RST38hWhy did you install Belle in the first place?12:58
alteregoFancied a look :P12:59
faenilleinir: Italy12:59
faenilmy N8 is not even branded12:59
alteregofaenil: you could update it manually :P12:59
alteregoTook me ages to sort out the update in the UK12:59
faenilalterego: you mean with another product code?12:59
artemmaSo Nokia is able to create reliable smartphones even after firing hell a lot of engineers. The only thing needed is to focus on just a few phones instead of dozens in the roadmap :)13:00
faenilI've made custom firmwares for 2 years for symbian :)13:00
leinirartemma: too many chefs... ;)13:00
faenilnot that I'm scaried from the warranty voiding procedures13:00
alteregoartemma: or develop more sane firmware that works on multiple products without seperate product managers ..13:00
faenilbut this sucks, Belle is out and we still don't have Anna13:00
faenilalterego: exactly13:01
alteregoHopefully that is the way they are going now ;)13:02
alteregogitorious is sloooow today13:02
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alteregotbh, I'm pretty unstoppable carrying around N950, N900 and N813:04
hiemanshuhmm, I have a N950, N900, Acer Liquid E, and a cheap phone in my pocket right now13:05
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SpeedEvilBig pocket.13:10
faenilAcer Liquid that, the 512mb ram sucks XD13:14
faenilone of the worst android firmware I have ever seen :D13:14
faenildo you like that hiemanshu?13:15
hiemanshufaenil: I have MIUI on it, love it :P13:15
hiemanshufaenil: there is MIUI, 2.3.5 Vanilla and what not :P13:15
faenilgood :) I had a cfw on it, but still it sucked XD13:15
hiemanshuits pretty decent13:16
faenilI hate it november last year probably ;)13:17
faenilhad it*13:17
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seifhey guys16:29
seifis there any new frimware or image16:30
hiemanshudont expect one until late 201216:32
SpeedEvilseif: nothing happened with your screen?16:32
RST38hWP7 firmware will be available in 2012 =)16:33
seifSpeedEvil, i am receiving a replacment16:33
seifthe screen keeps getting worse16:33
seifI want to log things off skype16:34
seifbut skype is not on the n95016:34
hiemanshuRST38h: you got the phun :D16:34
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Venemo_webchatseif: pixel errors too?16:42
SpeedEvilVenemo is suffering the same problem, and I pointed him at your screenshot seif.16:42
Venemo_webchatwell, I'm not sure if it's the same problem16:44
Venemo_webchatbut it seemed somewhat similar16:45
Venemo_webchatseif: what was the solution? does Nokia replace the N950 for you?16:45
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griIs there any program to record a screencast on the n950 including where I touch? :)17:01
dm8tbrthat would be seriously cool17:02
berndhswhen you find it, let me know17:02
dm8tbrone guess (minus the touch events) gstreamer, is that in the images?17:03
grirecordmydesktop commandline for the phone would do this I think17:04
* gri checks dependencies17:04
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grimaemo libvorbis won't compile in harmattan scratchbox :(17:18
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griI finally managed to copy the messaging app ui in qml ;)
alteregoNice :)17:42
alteregoVery cool :)17:43
gribut for some reason the original messaging app shows names where I have unknown contact ...17:44
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MohammadAGgri, how are you squircling images? :)17:58
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MohammadAGQML thing?17:58
grithe image provider returns a rectangular ones17:58
MohammadAGdisappointing :p17:58
griThe letters on the black ones have to be drawn by QPainter17:59
griMohammadAG: I could also do this from c++ - but why if it works :)18:00
MohammadAGgri, how?18:00
MohammadAGI need to squircle some images18:00
griLook into /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/theme/basement/meegotouch-avatar/18:01
grithere are pre defined image masks which you can also use with QPainter18:01
MohammadAGI want to write the squircles to a file though18:02
MohammadAGwhy? cause that's the only way a notification can show them18:04
griNothing prevents you from writing images?18:04
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MohammadAGtrue, just need to figure it out then18:06
griOnly look in the Qt docs for mask(s), should be somewhere at QPixmap or QPainter18:06
MohammadAGany ideas how you'd use the transparent one though?18:07
MohammadAGotherwise I'd need to make two images, one for black and one for white backgrounds18:07
griThe mask does not define a color, only the shape18:08
griif you mask a red rectangle it will be round and still red18:08
MohammadAGpoint is, if I set the mask, do I have to "cut" out what's outside the frames?18:10
grieverything outside the mask gets transparent18:10
grias far as I remember18:10
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RST38hmoo all18:11
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MohammadAGgri, after setting mask I'm getting null images18:20
MohammadAGwell, pixmaps18:20
griMohammadAG: Do the mask and the image have the same size? Did you try a inversed mask?18:20
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MohammadAGoh... same size18:21
MohammadAGgri, I get the shape of a squircle in black drawn over the image18:25
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gricode speaks more than words :)18:27
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faeniltalk is cheap, show me the code18:27
griUhm but it looks like they do the masking with graphics items not QPainter18:28
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gricomposition modes ... masking .. all the same :P18:29
MohammadAGgri, problem is, I need a .png, a QImage or QPixmap18:30
griYes, only look at the few lines 107 - 11618:31
grithat's the part you want for masking18:31
MohammadAGthat's using QPainter :p18:31
griYes, I'm confused today18:32
faenilmmm Nokia inviting me to a WP training XD18:35
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alteregofaenil: in London? :)18:38
faenilno, Italy :D18:38
faenilthing, 26th (training day) is the second anniversary with my gf :D18:39
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure you wanna m miss the training then ;)18:40
alterego26th this month?18:40
faenilI'm obviously going to miss that...BUT, my gf has a uni exam on there's the chance she's going to be studying the whole day on 26th... XD18:42
alteregoOh, I got invited to the 10th of next.18:42
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* gri only got a Facebook invitation to "Qt Developer Days Munich" which is about 40 km from here but they still want the entry fee :(18:45
faenilgri: I'm trying to get sponsored by Nokia, if you're a student or such you could try too...18:46
griAt the moment I'm workless since I had quit my job to go to university which starts at october 4th :D18:46
faeniloh :D18:47
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faenilI'm waiting for the answer from the Nokia guy, there's a chance I'm going to get ticket and hotel :D18:47
faenilI really hope to...that would be amazing :)18:48
grifaenil: To munich?18:48
faenilthat entry fee is sci-fi for students18:48
griOnce a guy from my former company was allowed to go there and I was very pissed at him :P18:49
faenilyou won't be pissed at me if I get to, right? :) I'm a poor student xD18:49
griI'm even poorer ;)18:49
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griNokia has no reason to give me a free ticket ... but they also had no reason to give me the N950 and they did :P18:53
faenilwhy should they give me a free ticket then?18:53
RST38hpoor students galore18:54
faenilyou'd better try ;) I know a german guy who's getting a ticket18:54
grifaenil: Whom to ask?18:54
faeniland he's no big developer, just electronic engin uni student18:54
faenillet me look18:54
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faenilpmed ;)=18:56
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alteregolcuk has died :(19:15
wazd~seen lcuk19:21
infobotlcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 2h 20m 40s ago, saying: 'heh'.19:21
faenildon't think anyone would make jokes on that...19:22
faenilit's so sad :(19:22
alteregolcuk2 is still here :/19:24
Stskeepsyeah.. let's deal with that some other time19:24
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alteregoI think I'm going to go for a bit.19:25
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faenilI'm currently speechless...19:36
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faenilfor those interested in lcuk, come to #maemo19:40
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faenilgot a ticket for dev days!!!20:44
faenilguys, is there anyone you know who could host me in Munich or close to that?20:45
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