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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, estimated ship date tomorrow. | 00:59 |
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| alterego | For what? | 00:59 |
| javispedro | oh | 00:59 |
| * javispedro goes look it up | 00:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | MetaWatch | 00:59 |
| alterego | N9? :D | 00:59 |
| artem_ | so they screwed Kazakhstan :) | 01:00 |
| artem_ | for swiss | 01:00 |
| npm | RST38h: thanks for posting that. http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html maybe be directly usable in QML... however, any suggestions on doing distance queries as an SQLite query? | 01:00 |
| javispedro | pft | 01:00 |
| javispedro | mine says "Est. ship date" yesterday. | 01:01 |
| javispedro | status: processing | 01:01 |
| javispedro | well, yesterday by just 1 minute =) | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's it shipping from? | 01:01 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: btw, did you read the news about ex-Nokians buying metawatch from fossil? | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 01:02 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://www.metawatch.org/blog/2011/09/meta-watch-acquired.html | 01:02 |
| javispedro | so, back to Finland. No way to escape! ;) | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Finns | 01:07 |
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| * alterego thinks of neat things he can do with bar code readers | 01:35 | |
| alterego | I really need a version for the N900 though, the N950 is a pita to code on. | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | wish I could get a metawatch :/ | 01:36 |
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| * javispedro ponders whether to make the Watch class a QPaintDevice or not ;) | 01:39 | |
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| MohammadAG | anyone know of some cheap US/Europe to other places forwarding services? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: sure they do not ship to .il? | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | says US and Europe | 01:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I could ship to you if you get really stuck | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | no Asia makes it even worse | 01:42 |
| javispedro | ah :( | 01:42 |
| alterego | Thinking of purchasing one myself | 01:42 |
| javispedro | weirdo TI would not ship to Asia | 01:42 |
| javispedro | their real HQs are located in .in after all ;) | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia counts Israel as Europe though :p | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, thanks, I'll see what happens :) | 01:42 |
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| MohammadAG | that digital one looks sexy | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm assuming that since Israel is in the list they ship there? | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, wait... QGraphicsScene works on the watch? | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | might as well port MTF! | 01:52 |
| javispedro | obviously not | 01:52 |
| javispedro | but I have this idea.. | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, everyone here needs to get a MetaWatch. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lotsa hackers | 01:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Justify my expenditure! | 01:57 |
| javispedro | you evil bastards, justify mine! ;P | 01:58 |
| alterego | They have an accel! | 01:58 |
| javispedro | the watches themselves are not going to run much, as the uC they have is designed for ultra low power consumption | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see an analog version with a second hand and about a 25mm face. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a decently highres screen as the face. | 01:59 |
| javispedro | but they're supposed to be connected to a cell phone, and then kind act as the cell phone's second screen and vibrator | 02:00 |
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| artem_ | they will start to ask students take off watches during the tests | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | oooh, thanks for the idea artem_ | 02:00 |
| javispedro | late | 02:00 |
| javispedro | casio already had a camera watch a decade ag | 02:01 |
| artem_ | u r welcome, but I am sure these ideas will come at l=plenty :) | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | fuck cameras I want google translate :P | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | Hebrew feels like QML | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just wait until they have to ask you to disable the retinal projectors in your glasses | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | or your neural implant | 02:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: a camera with builtin monochrome LCD... to see... uh, interesting data. | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | question of the year, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76635 | 02:04 |
| alterego | I wonder what refresh rate you could get over bluetooth to the meta watch | 02:05 |
| javispedro | alterego: yes, I wonder that. Either way, any kind of high refresh rate will kill the battery | 02:06 |
| javispedro | alterego: still, the idea of having to implement e.g. marquee in anything other than QML is probably enough to make this a interesting research area. | 02:06 |
| javispedro | *marquee text | 02:06 |
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| alterego | Yeah, | 02:06 |
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| javispedro | so | 02:07 |
| javispedro | any way I can know which areas where damaged between a QPainter::begin and ::end? | 02:07 |
| * artem_ vaguely remembers some Nokia gadget from several years ago that was showing text messages, mixed calls, had voice dialin | 02:07 | |
| alterego | I actually developed a Qt based virtual matrix form a marquee app a while ago. | 02:07 |
| artem_ | was pretty cool, but too much hassle to carry around | 02:07 |
| alterego | javispedro: n really no. | 02:07 |
| javispedro | so I'd have to implement my own painter engine, that virtually just forwards call to the raster one except measuring damaged area? | 02:08 |
| javispedro | then overrride end() so that it uploads the damaged area to the watch | 02:08 |
| alterego | Sounds like a good idea. | 02:08 |
| alterego | handling a 90x90 bitmap should be pretty easy :) | 02:09 |
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| javispedro | yeah | 02:09 |
| alterego | on the cpu that is. | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Music control would be pretty sweet. | 02:09 |
| artem_ | James Bond would use it as a control/display for camera of all the phones in the next room | 02:10 |
| javispedro | alterego: being monochrome, the entire bitmap fills in under 1KiB =) | 02:11 |
| alterego | Noice | 02:11 |
| alterego | with a 2Mbit bluetooth connection we have a nice frame rate ;) | 02:11 |
| javispedro | *fits | 02:11 |
| javispedro | doubt the watch bt stack does that | 02:11 |
| alterego | The docs say it does. | 02:11 |
| javispedro | in five-minute-battery-life-mode maybe =) | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | This looks impossible: http://www.imwatch.it/ | 02:12 |
| javispedro | oh noes | 02:12 |
| artem_ | *IF* it gets popular, there could be some games that involve both devices. Imaging waving your hand so that a ball from watch screen is thrown to the screen of the phone in the same hand | 02:12 |
| javispedro | the watch revolution is for some reason starting | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That site looks like all fluff | 02:13 |
| javispedro | will Nokia start watchemo open source project? will we have to move to watchemo.org? | 02:13 |
| artem_ | Business card exchange by NFC-touch during the handshake ;) | 02:13 |
| artem_ | that is if both guys wear watches on the right hand | 02:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:14 |
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| artem_ | Hey, I know the true killer app! | 02:14 |
| artem_ | for this watches | 02:14 |
| artem_ | and even a slogan for it | 02:14 |
| artem_ | "You never loose your TV remote again!" :) | 02:15 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: up to 3,5 hours battery life =9 | 02:16 |
| javispedro | nice try, though. | 02:16 |
| javispedro | and no vibrator? | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3.5 hours battery life? | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahahaha | 02:18 |
| javispedro | though "up to 2 days without BT in standby" which surely means screen off | 02:18 |
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| javispedro | as the liveview or the inpulse... | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pff | 02:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the POINT with that sort of performance | 02:21 |
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| alterego | Having a watch which displayed alarms from the phone would be cool. | 02:23 |
| alterego | If you could use it to dismiss them. | 02:23 |
| javispedro | that is the point of all of them | 02:23 |
| alterego | I'd like that app. | 02:23 |
| javispedro | they vibrate | 02:23 |
| javispedro | on the wrist -- so no way to miss alarms, calls, etc. | 02:24 |
| javispedro | something that happens sadly too often with the n950 :( | 02:24 |
| javispedro | but I personally also want: larger than one day batt life, and preferably always on screen. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Easy to do. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Also doubles as a dumbell. | 02:26 |
| alterego | You can move the hands on the analog version. | 02:26 |
| alterego | Turn it in to a compass or something :) | 02:26 |
| alterego | Though it wouldn't know it's orientation. | 02:26 |
| special | e-ink watch would be interesting | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | A watch with a B+W raster-display is probably what's achievable | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | e-ink has issues. | 02:27 |
| javispedro | that's the metawatch. | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Primarily that e-ik are bastards that won't sell it to you | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | The other possibility would be a gaze tracking watch. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | That doesn't work unless you look at it. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | There are semi-plausible ways of doing this. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | The eye is a reteroreflector, when focussed on an object | 02:29 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to do some sums. | 02:30 | |
| alterego | They have a pretty busy forum | 02:31 |
| * alterego chuckles | 02:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't need more hardware. | 02:32 |
| javispedro | alterego: it's been online since sunday | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm resisting zipit z2's at the moment | 02:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:32 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Night! | 02:32 |
| javispedro | nite alterego | 02:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | alterego, only turns clockwise | 02:35 |
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| dm8tbr | http://aani.nokia.fi/2011/09/13/taalta-se-tulee-nokia-n9-nyt-ennakkotilattavissa-suomessa/ | 09:44 |
| djszapi | that is more reliable :) | 09:45 |
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| radiofree | djszapi: do apps require aegis credentials to deal with SSL certificates? | 09:54 |
| ajalkane | A whee bit on expensive side. N9 presentation today in Elisa Studio at Lasipalatsi | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | otoh, excellent reviews, great performance, .. wouldn't you price it high then as well, leaving way for dumping the price over time? | 09:56 |
| Anssi138 | there is 30% added smart device in n9 | 09:56 |
| Anssi138 | at least :) | 09:56 |
| djszapi | radiofree: depends | 09:57 |
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| ajalkane | I would price it high. Maybe not as high as that though, but I know nothing about selling. | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | these things usually come with 'perceived value' | 09:59 |
| ajalkane | But I do know about buying, and I'm gonna wait a bit, | 09:59 |
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| hiemanshu | I do know about buying too, and I would instead get an M1 for about $400 (Dual Core 1.5Ghz running android) | 10:26 |
| hiemanshu | http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_phone_is_15ghz_dualcore_droid_from_china_to_cost_310-news-3007.php | 10:29 |
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| Hq` | I haven't heard very nice things about android from friends who own cheap android phones | 10:48 |
| Hq` | so I'd be worried about quality | 10:48 |
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| hiemanshu | cheap and android doesn't work together | 10:48 |
| hiemanshu | you can expect much from a 600mhz device really | 10:48 |
| hiemanshu | I have a 1Ghz dual core android, and well I like it | 10:48 |
| Hq` | well.. that xiaomi is cheap (for those specs) | 10:49 |
| RST38h | Memory performance is more important than CPU clock | 10:49 |
| RST38h | 600MHz is just fine | 10:49 |
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| Anssi138 | politically subsidized | 10:50 |
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| arfoll | actually i've always found my girlfriends armv6 600mhz htc better than my 1ghz nexus one | 10:55 |
| arfoll | battery lasts loads longer, screen is brighter everything else works the same... | 10:55 |
| Anssi138 | what about browsing? | 10:59 |
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| arfoll | browsing is a bit slower, loading pages et al, but its just a second more waiting, i dont mind | 11:00 |
| special | those seconds add up - it's probably wasted *minutes* of your life! | 11:01 |
| arfoll | yes all that time in the pub wasted when we werent quite sure on the difference between a liger and a tigon | 11:02 |
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| RzR | http://twitter.com/search?q=%23NokiaN9MY | 11:15 |
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| hiemanshu | http://t.co/7L8nmzQ | 11:31 |
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| RzR | http://discovr.smashpop.net/2011/09/13/photos-video-of-nokia-n9-launch-in-malaysia/ | 11:47 |
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| rantom | Btw, for Finns: http://technabob.com/blog/2007/09/18/xbox-controller-swallows-xbox-360-controller/ | 12:06 |
| rantom | God damn it.. | 12:07 |
| rantom | Btw, for Finns: http://aani.nokia.fi/2011/09/13/taalta-se-tulee-nokia-n9-nyt-ennakkotilattavissa-suomessa/ | 12:07 |
| rantom | Got my channels mixed up.. | 12:07 |
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| dm8tbr | rantom: you're late ;) | 12:11 |
| rantom | dm8tbr: A bit, yeah :) | 12:12 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, MetaWatch shipped, ships from fake TI HQs in TX | 12:18 |
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| MohammadAG | I have to wait till I get a new prepaid debit card | 13:03 |
| hiemanshu | stupid Ovi Store wont let me buy | 13:04 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I have one from google :D | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, a debit card? | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | or a metawatch? :P | 13:05 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well google sent me one for GSoC payments :P | 13:05 |
| hiemanshu | its from citibank | 13:05 |
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| MohammadAG | I need a $210 debit card for the metawatch | 13:06 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: https://www.na.citiprepaid.com/xContent/content/google/i/google-card.jpg thats what it looks like, and its translucent | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | pfft, looks like it has a name | 13:06 |
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| MohammadAG | my card accepts any name | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | and any billing address | 13:07 |
| MohammadAG | hey... what's Elop's address? | 13:07 |
| trx | elop@microsoft.com | 13:07 |
| trx | :) | 13:07 |
| MohammadAG | physical one :p | 13:07 |
| trx | oh :D | 13:08 |
| hiemanshu | elop@fuckyoumeego.com | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | probably somewhere on 1 Infinite Loop | 13:08 |
| rantom | hiemanshu: :D | 13:10 |
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| kkito | hello | 13:43 |
| rantom | Hi | 13:44 |
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| vladest | hi | 14:07 |
| vladest | constantly get: DBus error: | 14:07 |
| vladest | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied | 14:07 |
| vladest | Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.1116" (uid=29999 pid=14446 comm="/opt/carvcr/bin/carvcr ") interface="com.nokia.positioningd.client" member="latestPosition" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.positioningd.client" (uid=29999 pid=855 comm="/usr/bin/positioningd ")) | 14:08 |
| vladest | <credential name="Location" /> requested | 14:08 |
| vladest | what did I missed? | 14:08 |
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| Venemo_N950 | morning | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | ~seen djszapi | 14:18 |
| infobot | djszapi <~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 4h 21m 5s ago, saying: 'radiofree: depends'. | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | fuckyeah, my N950 began displaying some pixel errors. | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | just out of the blue | 14:19 |
| RST38h | interesting | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | what shall I do with it? send it back? | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | will they replace the screen or something? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | doubt there's any replacements tbh | 14:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | they can replace with a less faulty N9 too. I wouldn't mind now | 14:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | let's hope the N9 is more durable | 14:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 14:25 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | then I'm not disconnected... N950 is good to me today... :P | 14:25 |
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| bedahr | Hi everybody! I just asked this in #meego and they told me to go here: I'm developing an application for the N950 and have run into a weird performance problem: The application uses around 17 % cpu time when it's active but around 35% as soon as i disable the display | 14:42 |
| bedahr | this is absolutely, reliably reproducable. Is this a bug in my application (which keeps re-drawing - at least in the overview of all applications), or does the CPU just clock down as soon as I shut down the display...? | 14:42 |
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| alterego | crevetor: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/harmattan/packages/ | 14:48 |
| rZr | alterego: can u publish also the .dsc to .diff ? | 14:51 |
| alterego | rZr: okay, ang on, you gonna put it in your repo? :) | 14:51 |
| rZr | unless if you dont want me to | 14:51 |
| alterego | Please do :) | 14:51 |
| rZr | this will be the last pkg i import for september | 14:52 |
| alterego | crap | 14:52 |
| rZr | maybe you want to do it | 14:52 |
| alterego | You don't get them when you use qt creator .. | 14:52 |
| rZr | let me add you to the team | 14:52 |
| alterego | crevetor: source: https://gitorious.org/project-grande/declarative-barcode-reader-plugin/ | 14:53 |
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| xarcass | bedahr: have you tried mem-cpu-monitor? IIRC, it shows both cpu freq and cpu consumption in percents | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | bedahr: Please note - I've never done this. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | bedahr: As I understand it, the issue is that in the foreground, the app is doing hardware accellerated graphics. As it goes into the background, the graphics is software rendered. | 15:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hence the rise in consumptions. | 15:02 |
| bedahr | xarcass: the energy profiler only shows cpu % - not the frequency (as far as I can see) | 15:02 |
| bedahr | SpeedEvil: ahh, that explains a lot | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't care about cpu % - overall - you care about battery usage. | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The mA/mW graph | 15:02 |
| xarcass | mem-cpu-monitor isn't Energy Profiler - it's CLI utility | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | lso - why aren't you simply freezing the display when you page away | 15:03 |
| bedahr | actually, I just disabled the graphic redraw and power consumption went down drastically... I don't technically need the graphic stuff if the uis is not shown | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least a short time after | 15:03 |
| bedahr | I guess there must be a signal / event somewhere telling me that the app is hidden, right? | 15:03 |
| bedahr | SpeedEvil: trying to find out how to do that right now :) | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsure. | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | As I said - not done this. | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Due to bloody annoying real-life - my time on hacking the n950 has been regrettably small. | 15:04 |
| bedahr | yeah, I can sympathize... only started really developing for it a couple of days ago myself | 15:05 |
| bedahr | but the sdk (and of course Qt) is so nice, that one can make up for lost time quite quickly :) | 15:05 |
| bedahr | for the record: there is a QML element called "Screen" that has a "windowState" property | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | You possibly want to paint your window occasionally, if it ould be useful for the user to see it in the task-switcher as updated | 15:11 |
| xarcass | bedahr: you can access this from anywhere by name platformWindow.windowState | 15:12 |
| bedahr | xarcass: ok, thanks, I'll try that | 15:13 |
| bedahr | SpeedEvil: it really doesn't matter that much - it's just a volume display (speech recognition app) | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:14 |
| xarcass | bedahr: you may search in docs how to use this: there's special chapter dedicated to this issue | 15:14 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs at the silly lack of toolbar applets. | 15:14 | |
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| bedahr | xarcass: will do | 15:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, toolbar applets? | 15:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N950: As I understand it - this understanding may be flawed - you can't add to the set of battery meter, signal strength, operator, wifi, clock | 15:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | ah, that... | 15:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | not sure, maybe there is an api for that | 15:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember a WONTFIX bug | 15:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | hmm | 15:17 |
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| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, do you know if there is a way to fix N950 screen? It began displaying pixel errors | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | In general, screens aren't very repairable. | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | What sort of errors? | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | some pixels are black | 15:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | hard to describe, I'll try making a photo when I get home | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone else was reporting that a few weeks ago | 15:25 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hmm | 15:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | wut was da solution? | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | None. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Other than a replaces dcreen, it's unlikely to be fixable. | 15:37 |
| bedahr | xarcass, SpeedEvil: Thanks for the tips. I'm now down to 0.18W with the display turned off - compared to 1.24 W before :) | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a small possibility it's due to the GPU. | 15:37 |
| sivang | lol, no discussion that required NDA :) | 15:37 |
| sivang | hi all | 15:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey sivang | 15:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, srsly? the gpu is so dumb? | 15:39 |
| sivang | hey Venemo_N950 ! | 15:39 |
| sivang | be right back | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N950: It's unlikely. Some hardware faults can manifest in terms of black pixels. However, usually not. Usually if you've got a few black piceels, and no other artifacts, it's a hardware fault in the screen | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | hardware or sotware GPU faults can manifest | 15:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, that's what I thought | 15:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | will nokia replace my screen? | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea. | 15:40 |
| Venemo_N950 | sivang, how're you old friend? :) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPU blackpixel artifacts *move*, LCD pixel errors never do | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Almost invariably, yes | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I have seen one that diddn't | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I have _no_ idea what was causing it | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly more an addr driver glitch on the video bus | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | video bus arguably is a part of GPU | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly poor grounding on some balls | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ground bounce | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bad cell in video ram also is possible | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the video ram window *always* starts at same addr | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which I don't see | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Exotic | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Why not assume a dead LCD pixel? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | we did, didn't we? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-13 14:40:10] <SpeedEvil> Venemo_N950: It's unlikely. Some hardware faults can manifest in terms of black pixels. However, usually not. Usually if you've got a few black piceels, and no other artifacts, it's a hardware fault in the screen | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://imgur.com/gj7S5&X6gIq&KUSIll | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | seif's screen | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N950: Does yours look like that? | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 17th last month | 15:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | somewhat similar, but different pattern | 15:53 |
| sivang | Venemo_N950: doing good, actually :) | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N950: In a similar area/ | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | seif did not comment about his screen after that question. | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that may be the new Developer Edition cryptic coding | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | but seriously, just contact dpp.program at nokia dot com | 15:56 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hm | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | http://varakalpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/pcartoon1.jpg | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Anyone sees anything familiar? =) | 16:11 |
| Ans5i | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbjVonH2YU | 16:13 |
| Ans5i | Happy Frogs 3D ^ | 16:13 |
| Ans5i | fur Harmattan | 16:15 |
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| fiferboy | Yay, QML colour themes for Harmattan have made it into the official git repo | 16:19 |
| leinir | wooh! :) | 16:20 |
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| smoku | how do I su to root on n950? | 16:32 |
| dm8tbr | enable developer mode in settings | 16:34 |
| dm8tbr | then devel-su | 16:34 |
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| smoku | oh. devel-su | 16:41 |
| smoku | and what's the password? | 16:41 |
| rantom | smoku: rootme | 16:42 |
| smoku | i'm in. thanks guys :) | 16:42 |
| dm8tbr | ssh root@localhost works too, but has a smaller/different set of capabilities IIRC | 16:45 |
| rantom | I still don't understand why you can't reboot when as devel-su | 16:46 |
| rantom | Nor poweroff | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | Thank you for updating your application or Media, AlmostTI, for the Ovi Store. It should be visible in Ovi Store within the next few hours unless you have set a future start date. | 16:51 |
| kkito | RST38h: are you fsm ? | 16:54 |
| RST38h | am I what? | 16:54 |
| kkito | fms sorry | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | Probably | 16:56 |
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| fiferboy | Flying Spagetti Monster? | 16:57 |
| RST38h | Most likely, yes | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | Flying Monster of Spaghetti? :P | 16:57 |
| kkito | :D | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: FMS is the way the FSM is observed by the reverse polish church. | 16:57 |
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| kkito | because i was trying some of the emulators that ¿you? ported to n950 | 16:58 |
| aleksander_m | too many pastafarians around... :-) | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: like kernel-power? | 16:58 |
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| jreznik | aleksander_m: count me too! | 17:04 |
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| leinir | Anybody else been asked to accept terms and conditions for ovi on the n950 today? | 17:42 |
| cpscotti | leinir, nothing so far.. | 17:43 |
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| jreznik | leinir: I was asked | 17:56 |
| leinir | right, glad to know i'm not the only one at least ;) | 17:56 |
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| kkito | leinir: I was asked too | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm just waiting for the final firmware to reject any software source other than OVI store. Hell how else would Nokia get close to what iPhone does? | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but we already got that, no? "Multitasking? Only available for genuine PalmOS, errr iOS apps" wait, that's not been multitasking, on aegis, that's been errr... root? | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware that Nokia can change security policies any time they want, to whatever they like. And there'll be no way to continue to use N9 if you try to opt out from the new policies forced down on you | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: who are you speaking to? | 19:28 |
| ieatlint | http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud.jpg | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/filmbilder/arschloch-und-der-alte-sack/arschloch-und-der-alte-sack-2.jpg | 19:31 |
| ieatlint | :P | 19:33 |
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| Arkenoi | appears that harmattan client is significantly less stable than fremantle one | 20:24 |
| Arkenoi | and it mostly affects outgoing calls | 20:25 |
| frals | and you are drawing this conclusion from preproduction software and a very limited quantity hw, right? | 20:28 |
| Arkenoi | sip client i mean | 20:29 |
| Arkenoi | yes :-) | 20:29 |
| Arkenoi | given nokia generally is not interested in harmattan bug reports :-) | 20:30 |
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| berndhs | you mean the pre-production version that's not for sale is less stable than the product that's been in the field for a few years ? | 20:32 |
| artemma | Has anybody worked with Maemo::Timed? I am trying to schedule an action, all the result codes seem to be fine, but action isn't happening | 20:33 |
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| alterego | crevetor: ping | 21:17 |
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| gri | Grrr, how are we supposed to combine qml and c++ if they make all qml wrapper classes private and don't export them ... have a QContact in c++ but can't map it to qml ... | 22:35 |
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| artemma | Has anybody worked with maemo::Timed? I am trying to schedule an action, all the result codes seem to be fine, but action isn't happening | 22:45 |
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| artemma | struggling to read the timed docs and sample code. It's been a while since last time I've seen code with so many vars names a, e, a_sys2 and APIs that *set* something, but is called *whenSomething* | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | anyone's facebook chat account not working | 23:05 |
| artemma | aha! I managed to show "something" with timed (simulating calendar event) | 23:15 |
| artemma | is there any part of file system writable by any user? | 23:15 |
| artemma | I am trying to echo something to file when alarm is fired, and I have little idea under which user it happens | 23:15 |
| gri | MohammadAG: Do you have any clue where harmattan stores / how it creates the avatar images including the ones with initial characters of the names? | 23:24 |
| gri | Using Qt Mobility to fetch the avatar images results in mostly no images or damaged ones :( | 23:25 |
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| gri | Or it is as usual: Fixed in an internal version - got that answer from nokia to all my bugs | 23:25 |
| alterego | Welcome to Maemo :) | 23:27 |
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| alterego | Erm MeeGo/Harmattan | 23:27 |
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| artemma | sorry for lilly question, but where can root create files? | 23:29 |
| artemma | I am trying echo "123" >> somefilename inside /home/user and it tells my permissions are wrong | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | root can't create files in user's home? | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | I'm.. stumped | 23:31 |
| gri | root also can't delete files in user's home :) | 23:31 |
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| artemma | it seems so | 23:31 |
| artemma | I need to find some place where root can create files, so that I could validate my binary is actually executed from alarm | 23:32 |
| artemma | later though I the same code would need to actually replace one file in /user/home.. | 23:32 |
| gri | in /root | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | more importantly, why can't root write to /home/user... | 23:33 |
| gri | ae... | 23:33 |
| artemma | can root at least write to /usr/share or something like this? | 23:34 |
| artemma | maybe I workaround by replacing file there and not in /home/user | 23:34 |
| gri | artemma: login as user, do devel-su, do develsh and you should be fine playing around in /usr/share | 23:34 |
| artemma | gri, I need that to happen from my app | 23:35 |
| gri | then you're screwed :P | 23:35 |
| * artemma can't believe root can't write to anywhere | 23:36 | |
| artemma | hey, is there some shell command that shows a dialog on screen or something like this? | 23:37 |
| artemma | :) | 23:37 |
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| artemma | for now I just need a confirmation that my script is actually being executed | 23:38 |
| Ans5i | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Using_Harmattan_security_features.html#Requesting_POSIX_capabilities | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | don't you just miss zenity? :P | 23:38 |
| artemma | Ans5i: shouldn't it be not needed under developer mode? | 23:40 |
| artemma | I thought that under dev mode everything is allowed | 23:40 |
| Ans5i | doesn't look like it | 23:42 |
| artemma | well, if I constantly get messages (on screen) "sorry, that file's gone", does it look like echo tried to write to prohibited file and failed? | 23:44 |
| Ans5i | have you check from syslog that is there errmsg? | 23:45 |
| artemma | i don't know what syslog is | 23:46 |
| artemma | rather limited *nix skills, only some basic shell stuff | 23:46 |
| Ans5i | what dmesg says | 23:47 |
| artemma | dmesg: klogctl: Operation not permitted | 23:49 |
| gri | http://gri.not-censored.com/web2sms/contactlists.png <-- I wonder where nokia loads their contacts from and why I can't get the same information | 23:49 |
| alterego | Damnit, where do we get maemo5 toolchain from now .. | 23:49 |
| Ans5i | you btw check the credentials using accli -I | 23:49 |
| artemma | it's not me who's running the code | 23:49 |
| artemma | it's timed daemon | 23:49 |
| Ans5i | yep | 23:50 |
| artemma | I guess if it's run under root, my code is also from root | 23:50 |
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| artemma | in the end of /var/sys/syslog there seems to be nothing abt failure to write to file | 23:51 |
| Ans5i | and you are really in developer mode and rebooted? | 23:52 |
| artemma | i was sure, but lemme check | 23:53 |
| artemma | yep, in the developer mode | 23:53 |
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