IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2011-09-11

djszapiand I am afraid, you will drop this quality level with your procedural :(00:00
rm_youback later, really have to run00:00
rm_youand you could possibly be right00:01
rm_youwe just want options :)00:01
djszapiyes, many people told that in the past, and the result was a distraction, and the same implementation of the same use cases.00:01
djszapiinstead of making one project the best together for one use case.00:02
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djszapibut I wish the best anyway (not ironic).00:03
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smokuyeas! it finally built fine http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/smoku:/entertainment/Harmattan_standard/armel/ioquake3_1558-maemo6_armel.deb :)00:58
djszapicongrats :)01:03
javispedrosmoku: nice!01:06
djszapijavispedro: do you go to the Barcelona dev days ?01:08
javispedrodjszapi: link?01:09
djszapihttp://bcndevcon.org/en01:10
javispedrosocial networks, spotify.. I'll pass, not my topics01:11
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javispedrobut thanks for mentioning it :)01:11
djszapiok, I think I am going.01:11
djszapino feedbacks from the isle of open source, sadly :(01:12
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javispedrowaaaaaaah01:37
javispedroaegis-loader: Failed parsing '/etc/passwd' --> MALF01:37
javispedroand I didn't even change it..01:37
djszapireproducing steps ? :)01:38
javispedroif only I knew..01:38
djszapiaegis-loader complains normally if a system file got damaged for whatever reason.01:39
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javispedroah, I _did_ change it seemingly01:41
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javispedroI set a homedir for some user01:41
javispedrothank god I can prevent it from entering MALF, otherwise I would have had to reflash =)01:42
javispedroaha, so my concept global orientation lock works :)01:47
javispedroand to think it was myself who said it would be more difficult in harmattan..01:47
javispedroturns out it was ├╝ber easy01:47
javispedrothe context framework supports multiple providers, aka, multiple processes trying to say which one is the active orientation01:48
javispedroit decides which one to actually use by comparing timestamps01:49
javispedrotherefore, my provider "lies" by using a timestamp far in the future01:49
javispedroand the applications therefore use my fake information instead of the real system one01:50
javispedroeasy, clean, no privileges required, and I even used QtC to build the cmdline applet.01:50
javispedrosadly, where to put this in the UI...01:51
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npmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N901:59
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, pong?02:15
javispedroGeneralAntilles: got metawatch shipped notification?02:15
GeneralAntillesNerp, should I have?02:15
javispedroseemingly some were shipped on friday02:16
javispedroTI charged my cc today02:16
GeneralAntillesAh, interesting.02:16
GeneralAntillesI think they charged me when I ordered.02:16
GeneralAntillesFor some reason.02:16
javispedroheh02:17
javispedrothe Friday thing comes from their twitter feed02:18
* GeneralAntilles still hasn't gotten a refund from school. . . . :<02:19
javispedrooh, the metawatch page was updated too02:20
GeneralAntillesProcessing02:22
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javispedrosame02:29
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djszapijavispedro: doesn't that require sys time credential which is only available from OVI ?02:35
djszapithat would be the design, so prolly just an old image.02:36
javispedrono02:36
djszapiold image bug then.02:36
javispedroit doesn't require _any_ credential other than session bus access.02:36
GeneralAntillesOr maybe they just checked the card to see if it had the funds.02:38
javispedroGeneralAntilles: hm, good point02:39
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djszapijavispedro: could you please send me the scenario so that I can investigate on Monday ? I am quite drunk right now sorry, not much of help as such.02:42
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javispedronah, no problem, I fixed the /etc/passwd thing by entirely removing the user that had a home set02:43
djszapijavispedro: I mean the time issue :)02:44
javispedrothat's not an issue02:44
javispedroI am trying to do a systemwide orientation lock02:44
djszapiahhhhh02:44
djszapiok, sorry not much concentration here, good night :)02:44
GeneralAntillesI want Google Talk and a stable IRC Chatter.02:45
GeneralAntillesThen I can finally go back to one phone.02:46
GeneralAntillesNow that fiferboy's got QML FBReader (woo!).02:46
* javispedro wants links from rss reader app to open in new windows02:47
javispedrothat's next think I'll look at after the orientation lock =)02:47
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berndhswould be cool to have a screen recorder, since most interesting apps will have dynamic behaviour03:21
berndhsstatic screenshots don't really tell you about that03:21
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artemmtrying to use GConfItem, mere #include results in that it can't #include glib.h :/03:51
artemmIs there some .pro setting to do?03:51
berndhsartemm: pkgconfig for glib maybe ?03:54
artemmsorry, berndhs, that;s all Greek to me03:55
berndhsqmake understands pkgconfig03:55
artemmu mean like this in the .pro file?03:56
artemmCONFIG += link_pkgconfig03:56
artemm    PKGCONFIG += <pc_file_without_extension>03:56
berndhsright03:56
artemmwhat would be the file?03:57
berndhsthat's assuming that (a) you have glib-dev available, and (b) pkgconfig knows about it03:57
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artemmhmm, I have only what QtSdk installed03:57
artemmand I am cross-compiling for harmattan03:57
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artemmI was told GConfItem is designed for harmattan03:58
berndhsright, so you're at the mercy of whatever the SDK knows about03:58
berndhsi don't know how to add libs to that03:58
artemmso if needs glib, probably it exists somewhere03:58
berndhsright, and then you need glib on the dvice, and glib-dev in the SDK03:59
artemmhey, PKGCONFIG += glib-dev worked!04:00
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berndhsah good04:00
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artemmoh no, it didn't04:03
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artemmi guess I must find correct path to use with PKGCONFIG04:03
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berndhsnot if pkgconfig knows the lib, then it will know the path04:04
berndhsthat's what its for04:04
artemmok, then lib name is wrong04:05
berndhstry just glib04:05
artemmfound PKGCONFIG += gq-gconf on the web04:05
artemmdoesn't work04:05
artemmand that is strange04:05
artemmbecause I found it in a code that uses GConfItem04:06
artemmhttp://projects.developer.nokia.com/hpodcatcher/browser/Podcatcher.pro04:06
berndhswell, not everything you find in blogs actually works as advertised :)04:07
artemmthat is source code, nit blog04:07
artemmtrying to download and compile it now04:07
berndhsnot all sourcecode you find works either04:08
artemm:)04:08
artemmindeed04:08
berndhsglib-2.0 I think04:10
artemmdidn't worl04:10
artemmk04:10
artemmI ran qmake certainlt04:11
artemmy04:11
artemmok, maybe for tomorrow04:11
berndhsi can build something here with glib-2.0, it links ok04:11
berndhsbut then my app doesn't actually use it04:11
artemmwell, I am really new to Qt04:11
berndhsjust qmake and the linker don't complain when it says ..... -lglib-2.0 eventually04:11
artemmwhile I can do c++ I can misunderstand something really basic about qt04:12
artemmit doesn't get to linker04:12
artemmpreprocessor can't find glib.h04:12
artemm#included from some gconf includes04:12
berndhshmm let me try soemthing04:12
artemmto my limited knowledge of Qt some kind of plugin is missing from CONFIG04:13
berndhs I can do #include <glib.h> in my main.cpp, doesn't complain04:13
berndhsthat's in the SDK04:14
artemmcan you do #include <gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h>?04:14
artemmand to me autocompletion doesn't even show glib.h04:14
artemmwell, correctly since it can't #iclude it04:15
artemm#include04:15
artemmcan you post your .pro file to pastebin?04:15
artemmI'll examine it for the suspicious variables04:15
berndhslet me try that include04:18
artemmwell, it doesn't matter04:18
artemmobviously compiler can find glib on your system and can't on mine04:18
artemmquestion is why04:18
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artemmand I mean glib includes for now04:19
berndhswith just that include, it finds that file, but not the stuff included from  <gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h>04:19
artemmit doesn't even get to linker04:19
artemmmaybe just gconf.h?04:20
berndhshttp://pastie.org/251606104:21
berndhsthat's the pkgconfig stuff in there04:21
* artemm looking04:21
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artemmnothing suspicious there04:23
artemmI even tried cloning your CXXFLAGS04:23
berndhsits pretty ordinary as .pro files go04:23
artemmjust in case\04:23
artemmok, for tomorrow then04:23
artemmI know the guy who created gconfitem04:23
artemmhe may be able to advise :)04:23
berndhsyeah04:24
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MohammadAGffs is there no simple C++ model example for MTF lists...17:11
DocScrutinizer51moo MohammadAG17:16
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MohammadAGmoo DocScrutinizer5117:18
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javispedrobtw17:27
javispedrohow to make QtC for harmattan create a debian source package?17:27
rzri am about to explain that17:29
javispedroI kinda remember that it did for Fremantle, but the option is conspicuously missing from harmattan..17:29
berndhstake a deep breath17:29
javispedroberndhs: ah, it doesn't, eh?17:30
rzrjavispedro: look at debian_harmattan files17:30
* javispedro would not be surprised17:30
javispedrorzr: but no way to do it from point&click? If I have to do it "my way" I already know how17:31
javispedroif there's no automated way, that's another nail in the coffin for formeego.org...17:31
berndhsi hack the files in debian_harmattan to look reasonable, and then use dpkg-source from the fedora repos17:32
javispedroah, there's Jaffa 's tool I see17:33
berndhsthen i have a script http://pastie.org/2518430 that makes things acceptable to c.obs17:34
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rzri am talking w/ someone of the meego malaysia cummunity an event is going to happend next week , do u have idea on how to promote it locally ?17:36
MohammadAGthe N9's 299 euros o_O17:37
rzrMohammadAG: in singapure ?17:37
MohammadAGlooks like it17:37
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: that's surprisingly cheap17:41
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, yeah17:41
rzrnot for a stone :)17:41
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rcgMohammadAG: got a source for that?18:04
rcgam most likely going to singapur in december18:05
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rcgnvm found it on nokia.com.sg18:17
SpeedEvilI wonder if they're doing a touchpad thing18:18
SpeedEvilI fail in finding a 299e mention18:21
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, http://www.nokia.com.my/find-product/all-phones/nokia-n9/check-availability18:23
rcghttp://www.nokia.com.sg/find-products/products/nokia-n9/check-availability?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-hdr-chkavailable_0x0-na-ncomprod-sg-en-1todtmt79686a#preorder18:23
SpeedEvilah18:23
DocScrutinizerfsckng nokia.com.sg/find_productsfooo thoroughly locked up my browser18:24
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RST38hWell, don't go to exotic far away places! =)18:24
MohammadAGdoes the N950 takes ages to get a GPS lock?18:24
rcgdefine ages18:25
rcgtakes about 10-20 seconds here iirc18:25
SpeedEvilThe n900 can take ages to get lock18:25
SpeedEvilFor example, my n900 took about 10 mins yesterday18:25
MohammadAGrcg, 4 minutes so far18:25
SpeedEvil(date was set a couple of years off)18:25
dm8tbrMohammadAG: does it have a network connection?18:25
rcgyay.. yeah thats quite long18:25
MohammadAGyes18:25
dm8tbrthen it should do the agps thing18:26
MohammadAGyes, I know18:26
rcgMohammadAG: i noticed some problems when the map app was "minimized".. after "maximizing" it again it regularly claimed to have gps lock but kept showing the old position18:27
MohammadAGrcg, own app18:27
rcgalright18:27
SpeedEvilDoes the 'buy' link on the above pages work for anyone?18:28
MohammadAGlocked18:28
RST38hCannot buy from Ovi Store or even login to Ovi Store.18:28
RST38hNo SIM card in the device. Might that be a problem?18:28
rcgSpeedEvil: nope18:28
SpeedEvilI've got a SIM in the phone, and I can't do that18:29
javispedroMohammadAG: btw, which API are you using for position info?18:29
MohammadAGjavispedro, Qt Mobility18:30
javispedro(just curiosity).18:30
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levyis there any site which lists all the current apps available for the n9?18:35
artemm2store.ovi.com?18:35
dm8tbrand FOSS apps at some point soon in apps.formeego.org18:35
levywhat is FOSS?18:37
levyand artemm2, I can't find any apps for the n9 in the ovistore since you can't pick n9 to display apps for18:37
dm8tbrfree and open source software18:38
artemm2levy, you can see them on the phone's ovi store client18:38
dm8tbrlevy: then you might need to wait for the product to launch18:38
* dm8tbr only tried store on the device so far...18:38
artemm2on the web you can see apps if u know direct link and after ovi store detected u have N950 (detected as N9)18:38
dm8tbrah18:39
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levyhm, maybe I need to try a another language to see the n95018:40
levydm8tbr do you have the device?18:40
* dm8tbr has an N950 in front of him18:40
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levyany dropbox like app tested?18:42
rzrrsync18:46
dm8tbryeah rsync and scp should work fine18:46
rzrit does18:46
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* dm8tbr has only used scp for now, worked a-ok18:48
levyrsync has a monthly fee?18:48
dm8tbrLOL18:48
dm8tbrno18:48
dm8tbrbut you can rent rsync-space for a monthly fee18:48
dm8tbrrsync itself is free software, if you happen to have your own server (at home or hosted) then you can use it18:50
levycould you please link scp website, my googlingskills lacks18:50
dm8tbrhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol18:50
* dm8tbr wonders if SSHFS would be possible18:51
levyfor scp you still need a server yes? I wanna store externally18:52
kimjudm8tbr, does the kernel have fuse modules?18:52
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levyHow is the current Spotify experience on the n9?19:11
dm8tbrkimju: seems so \o?19:13
dm8tbr\o/19:14
MohammadAGsuppose an MWidget sends signal clicked()19:14
MohammadAGhow do I get a pointer back to the widget?19:14
MohammadAGcasting QObject::sender() causes a segfault19:14
kimjudm8tbr, might still be problem with that fine security framework..19:14
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dm8tbrkimju: yes, I know, but better than not there at all19:15
MohammadAGjavispedro, does unseal.ko kill all aegis related functions?19:16
MohammadAGit's blocking dbus messages when using gdb19:17
javispedroper itself it does not do anything other than unsealing19:17
javispedroit's what you do afterwards19:17
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javispedroeither way, have never had any problems with dbus, and I've been using it heavily as of late19:18
MohammadAGDBus error:19:18
MohammadAGorg.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied19:18
MohammadAGRejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.534" (uid=29999 pid=12363 comm="/usr/bin/sociality-mtf ") interface="com.nokia.positioningd.client" member="configSession" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.positioningd.client" (uid=29999 pid=861 comm="/usr/bin/positioningd "))19:18
javispedroMohammadAG: have you echo'd anything to /sys/kernel/debug/* ?19:19
javispedroerr19:19
javispedro/sys/kernel/security/*19:19
MohammadAGno19:20
javispedroMohammadAG: echo 0x1e7 > /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled19:21
javispedrothen retry19:22
javispedronote that this undoes what unseal.ko does19:23
MohammadAGnope, still denied19:23
javispedroso then it's not unseal.ko..19:23
javispedrosure you did not echo anything to /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled or /sys/kernel/security/validator/enforce ?19:23
MohammadAGI never said it's unseal.ko19:24
MohammadAGit's like that without doing anything19:24
javispedroah, misunderstood, though you had find some kind of hack in aegis dbus =)19:25
javispedro*thought19:25
javispedrofor the case at hand, I suggest using binhash.py19:25
javispedroput it somewhere, run python binhash.py /usr/bin/sociality-mtf19:26
javispedroand retry19:26
MohammadAGwhat's binhash.py o_O19:26
javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/nit/aegis/binhash.py19:26
javispedro(but, tbh, I've not tested how it will work in this case... I had to bork my dbus configuration because I wanted to enable eavesdropping/dbus-monitor)19:28
djszapi299 EUR, wow19:31
SpeedEvildjszapi: I really question that that's real19:31
djszapiI expected 600-700 :p19:31
SpeedEvilIn some ways, I hope it's not, as that may reflect them simply throwing the first batch out the door, and giving up - like touchpad.19:32
SpeedEvilIt's too low a price to ever be profitable.19:32
djszapithat is a really big wow here.19:32
djszapijavispedro: I know how to make global orientation btw19:33
djszapiit was much easier after getting sober :p19:33
javispedroI did it already =)19:33
djszapiokay, I also did in paralel then it seems :p19:33
djszapigconftool-2 -r /meegotouch/target/name19:33
djszapicat /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/Default.conf19:34
djszapiand then allowedOrientations19:34
SpeedEvil299 would only make sense if they're trying to massively build market share.19:34
SpeedEvilWhich...19:34
javispedrodjszapi: I used a different method that can change it during runtime, via contextkit19:34
djszapimmm, so missing information while describing the issue again ;)19:35
djszapiSpeedEvil: I do not know what to think, I am still under a shock19:36
javispedroSpeedEvil: ... is incompatible with Elop.19:36
SpeedEvilUnless it's a typo.19:37
SpeedEvilWhich I could easily believe.19:37
SpeedEviljavispedro: very, very so.19:37
djszapiit is even cheaper than android phones which are famous about their cheapness19:38
djszapijavispedro: I cannot still believe you can change the time without the sys_time credential which is not available for unknown origin19:39
DocScrutinizermeh, just another detail of trollop's secret plans to bin all OS in Nokia except WinP719:39
javispedroNot changing the time, just acting as a fake context provider.19:39
javispedrowith a fake timestamp.19:39
DocScrutinizer\o/ no community ntpd19:40
djszapijavispedro: acting as a fake context provider where when for what and so on ?19:40
berndhsis the 299 a discounted price with a contract perhaps ?19:40
MohammadAGno, it's sponsored by Elop19:41
javispedromaybe they want to do ala HP =)19:41
javispedrostill too expensive for that though =)19:41
MohammadAGffs aegis!19:41
MohammadAGI need to debug my app :/19:41
DocScrutinizer"sell it at a really competitive price tag!"  6 months later... "See, I toldya it's an economic loss. So now let's bin it for good"19:42
SpeedEvilUnless he's decided that windows is a burnin gplatform19:42
DocScrutinizerI wonder when he realizes his own arse is burning19:43
djszapielop is just a puppet, he does not decide anything alone19:43
MohammadAGcan I bet a puppet?19:44
berndhssure, if the windows deal doesn't work, they'll have their guilty man to sacrifice19:44
javispedrothey are going to blame all of us19:45
javispedroboth users and developers19:46
DocScrutinizersure, that's why you don't get any proper docs to develop cool things, like proper working hostmode, FMRX, etc19:46
DocScrutinizerin the end you'd change it to become a success otherwise19:47
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* DocScrutinizer hopes for N9 schematics emerging soon, as - other than N950 - there'll be an actual need to train service centers how to repair N919:51
RST38hjavispedro: who?19:51
javispedroRST38h: elop&co19:51
djszapinothing happens when I click on buy N9 though.19:53
MohammadAGhmm20:00
MohammadAGlockscreen shows " " instead of "9" in the clock now20:00
MohammadAGis this a known issue or something?20:00
Stskeepsbug is fixed, i've used to have it20:01
MohammadAGit used to work fine for me...20:01
MohammadAGand avatars are missing for me, a red box shows instead of them20:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: it's been about first bug ever reported by community20:02
DocScrutinizer(by me to be precise ;-D)20:02
DocScrutinizerdunno if we even had chanlogs alrady, back when20:03
MohammadAGI remember it now actually20:03
DocScrutinizerfunny enough occasionally the digit switched to " " changes20:04
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javispedroMohammadAG: happens on calculator, and I've seen it even oh phone =)20:08
MohammadAGheh, rebooted the phone, maybe it'll go20:09
MohammadAGand yep, it's gone, 9 shows up again20:09
* MohammadAG wonders what digit will be next20:09
MohammadAGsigh, MBasicHeaderList for facebook sign in sheet is not inverted, the rest of the sheet is20:10
MohammadAGoh well, maybe they noticed it in future fws20:10
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MohammadAGdjszapi, had time to look at how squircling is done?20:13
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fralsMMaskedImage?20:15
MohammadAGfrals, sure that class exists?20:17
fralsnope, but something along those lines ;)20:17
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fralshm, or is masking from qimage maybe20:18
fralsim pretty sure its just masking, but not 100%20:18
MohammadAGcan't find anything along those lines :P20:18
MohammadAGwhat's the masking pattern then?20:19
fralsyou take your pretty rectangle, use a transparent squircle with the rest of the image black and mask out the image with it20:20
MohammadAGthat's cheating!20:21
DocScrutinizersquircle sounds like it's XXX rated20:25
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fralsMohammadAG: probably the mask is even shipped in theme-folder somwhere as well20:26
* DocScrutinizer wonders if it will kick fapman off the stair-head20:26
* DocScrutinizer would love so much to be one of that number of the Nokia department that invents names like NOLO, modest, squircle all day long. Must be as much fun as you can possibly handle20:29
MohammadAGsquircle is a community name afaik :p20:29
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: the cocaine and other stuff kills you pretty quickly though20:29
fralsMohammadAG: dont think so ;o20:29
DocScrutinizerhey, I'm immune20:30
fralscome on, naming a project is like, bestest thing ever20:30
DocScrutinizerwell, I wasn't in as well, when they invented openMOKO, even dirty moko for the uBoot build20:32
fralsi really wonder who came up with NFC... and why none pointed out "no fuckin clue" to person in question :(20:32
DocScrutinizerlol20:33
DocScrutinizershort range communication would've been the obvious alternative20:34
DocScrutinizer~wtf src20:34
infobotGee...  I don't know what src means...20:34
DocScrutinizer~spell squircle20:36
infobotpossible spellings for squircle: squiggle squirrel squiggly squigglier circle squiggled squiggles squabble squarely squiggle's20:36
DocScrutinizerDUH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squircle20:39
faenil:O20:40
RST38hOMG this thing can actually be described with an equation!20:40
faenilit's a portmanteau, you noobs20:40
faenillool XD20:40
RST38hportmanwhat? =)20:41
faenilxD20:42
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faenilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau20:42
RST38hplural: portmanteaux20:43
faenilhave to leave...have a nice evening guys :) cya20:46
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djszapiVenemo_N950_: it will be suspicious when "Venemo_N950" changed his nickname to Venemo_N9 :)21:31
Venemo_N950_heh21:31
Venemo_N950_I won't own an N9, likely21:32
djszapijust 299 EUR :p21:32
Venemo_N950_I don't have 299 EUR, and I have a superior device.21:33
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djszapiokay =)21:38
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Venemo_N950_:P21:42
Venemo_N950_I may change my mind if I win the lottery21:42
Venemo_N950_but it's unlikely since I don't play the lottery21:42
djszapiwell, I wish you more lottery wins :p21:42
Venemo_N950_haha :P21:42
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griCan I change the default shell for the developer user to develsh without screwing up the ssh login?22:08
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djszapishould be viable.22:13
gri"/bin/develsh is an invalid shell." hmm ok22:19
grioh, forgot to add it to /etc/shells. Now login works using all privileges from the start22:21
griWhich now enables me to use the QtCreator debugger on the device! Wow ...22:24
ajalkaneStart t22:24
ajalkanenvm22:24
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Tronicgri: Nice :)22:38
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MohammadAGliking how fast MTF seems to be23:23
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MohammadAGstill can't get list models though23:25
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ajalkaneIt's kinda buggering me how slow QML based apps are starting. Makes me question if it's really smart to use it on mobiles if it can't be made faster.23:36
ajalkaneAlmost all the stock apps are QML. Imagine them taking 5 secs to start instead of the second or so they do now.23:36
MohammadAGwhat?23:36
MohammadAGmost stock apps are MTF23:36
djszapibooster is not culsprit, prelinking is imho not available on the image, but prelinking cannot save too much, not even cross-prelinking.23:36
ajalkaneCorrection: almost all are MTF23:36
djszapithought prelinking would be an issue for a cpp app, too. That is not QML specific, so it is some plain QML issue probably.23:37
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MohammadAGall interpretted languages are slower than compiled23:37
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: fairly meaningless point.23:37
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ajalkaneThe practicality is, interpreted languages can be fast enough. It just seems they are not fast enough on right now on Harmattan.23:38
ajalkaneAt least QML based ones. I don't know if it's something that can be fixed or if we were all better off using MTF.23:39
MohammadAGsociality-mtf seems to start in 1-2s23:39
ajalkaneThe argument against using MTF is that it's deprecated. The argument I have against that is that the whole MeeGo with Nokia devices is deprecated.23:39
ajalkaneSo it hardly matters if we use MTF instead of QML23:40
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MohammadAGMTF is deprecated on MeeGo 1.323:40
MohammadAGI doubt we'll get that on Harmattan23:40
ajalkaneyeah23:40
MohammadAGand if we do, it's deprecated, not removed23:40
MohammadAGI still don't get models though23:40
MohammadAGthat's the only thing making me do slow progress on sociality23:41
ajalkaneThe thing is, this N9(950)? are powerful machines. QML scripts should not be inherently that slow judging by other script languages. I just don't know if we ever get any improvements there seeing the platform is Elopped.23:43
MohammadAGajalkane, got a facebook?23:44
ajalkaneMohammadAG: no, I'm too old for that :P23:44
MohammadAGno, I don't add random people (:P), just wanted to give you a binary for sociality23:44
MohammadAGheh, no one's too old for anything23:44
ajalkaneyeah, well, I've been resisting that thing for a long time. It's the stubborness in me.23:45
MohammadAGpoint is23:45
MohammadAGI don't mind writing longer code, if it runs faster on the device and uses less RAM23:45
MohammadAGand C++ is easier for me than JS23:46
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ajalkaneThe RAM usage is the other thing that's bugging me about QML. I'm just not sure if it's the correct model at the moment for mobile space. Maybe in 5 years. But with Harmattan, we're talking about a very specific hardware that's not going to be improved.23:47
MohammadAG1GB is enough23:47
MohammadAGI don't my 1GB new phone to be as fast as my 256MB N90023:48
MohammadAGjust because the N900 used a less memory intensive app23:48
MohammadAGerr, tookit23:48
ajalkaneIt's enough, but let's say again if all the stock apps were QML. There would be lots less available memory for user apps.23:48
MohammadAGagreed, and user apps aren't helping23:48
ajalkaneAll that said, I started with QML so I'm going with QML. I just have lots of doubts about if it's smart thing on these devices.23:49
MohammadAGgo with MTF :P23:50
MohammadAGit's fairly easy to get used to23:50
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* alterego has been using .qml files recently to sketch out object models.23:51
grinice, you're discussing what I'm thinking :D23:52
alteregoThe QtObject component type is neat :)23:52
ajalkaneI don't have enough time to get well-versed with another deprecated technology. But if the policy about MTF changes, then I might. I didn't really like some example code I looked at about MTF either. It was pretty annoying looking even coming with QtWidgets background.23:52
ajalkaneBut I do appreciate every developer that takes the MTF route :-D23:54
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ajalkanealterego: what's neat about QtObject? I haven't had use for it so far so I'm interested what it's good for23:55
griMohammadAG: Do you have knowledge with styling with mtf? I think I'm too stupid for that :)23:57
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MohammadAGnope, too stupid for that too :p23:58
MohammadAGonly know how to switch to inverted, and it's not nice :p23:58
grimy test application reacts on some points but ignores MApplicationWindowStyle {} completely for some reason23:59
grido you have an example how you do the switch?23:59
MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/lyrics-mtf/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line2023:59
MohammadAGfirst MTF code, sorry, it sucks :p23:59
alteregoajakpure data and code, when you want to define a mixin like facility without display logic.23:59

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