| smoku | yup. Just found it finally in the manual :) | 00:00 |
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| smoku | osc ci, and let's see :) | 00:02 |
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| macmaN | Stskeeps: uh the arm6v meego derived core means what? its capable of running on n800? | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | macmaN, yes | 00:07 |
| alterego | macmaN: among other things. | 00:13 |
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| macmaN | that sounds seckzee | 00:47 |
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| * javispedro ponders if depending on the default sorting order of QDir is good practice | 03:37 | |
| javispedro | from looking at the code I can see it sorts by name unless strictly passed NoSort in the constructor, but that does not seem to be documented anywhere | 03:38 |
| special | javispedro: it's not the sort of detail that would change in any forseeable release | 03:41 |
| special | but, why not be explicit if you care about it? | 03:42 |
| javispedro | watching someone else's code and pondering whether he made it parse the config files in alphabetical order by chance or by design :) | 03:43 |
| berndhs | it might sort the entries on the platform you're looking at, and not on another | 03:44 |
| javispedro | nah, this is the generic code | 03:45 |
| javispedro | I mean, it's QDir itself sorting them. Not readdir() or the like. | 03:45 |
| berndhs | yeah but you might get strange results depending on locale and such | 03:46 |
| berndhs | so I wouldn't rely on it if it's not specified | 03:46 |
| javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdir.html#QDir-2 | 03:47 |
| javispedro | that is the problem, the "reduced constructor" doesn't say what "sort" gets set to. | 03:47 |
| javispedro | the extended constructor clearly says "Name | IgnoreCase" | 03:47 |
| javispedro | which hints to one that might be the case for the reduced one too, and that's what happens in the code | 03:47 |
| javispedro | I think i'll file a doc bug, since if we are already paying the performance impact it makes no sense not to clearly define the default is to sort. | 03:48 |
| berndhs | i don't like to rely on default settings, in case they change quietly | 03:49 |
| javispedro | yeah | 03:49 |
| javispedro | but if they change it now, they'll break this program, and many others :) | 03:49 |
| berndhs | people have done dumber things | 03:51 |
| berndhs | for example, QML TextInput doens't have a documented way to turn off autocorrect from QML, that's dumber | 03:56 |
| javispedro | heh | 03:56 |
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| javispedro | funniest thing ever, a slightly diffused black rectangle has appeared over "Desktop Qt" in the target selection step of the New Project QtC wizard | 04:15 |
| javispedro | like if someone was censoring my ability to select Desktop Qt as a build target =) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | either way, it's clear it's some weird interaction with my current Gtk+ them | 04:16 |
| berndhs | similarly, I plainly say "SizeRootObjectToView" and it sizes the view to the root object | 04:18 |
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| djszapi | morning Venemo :) | 11:07 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi :) | 11:07 |
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| spenap | rzr, ping | 11:36 |
| rzr | ack | 11:38 |
| spenap | hey: I'm trying to install x11vnc from your repo | 11:38 |
| rzr | having issues ? | 11:38 |
| spenap | but libssl1.0.0, which is pulled as a dependency | 11:38 |
| spenap | doesn't install | 11:38 |
| spenap | «unable to execute installed post-installation script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0.postinst): No such file or directory» | 11:38 |
| rzr | it did when i tried | 11:38 |
| rzr | install bash | 11:39 |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/vnc | 11:39 |
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| spenap | Hmmm, that's strange: I don't get a candidate for bash | 11:39 |
| djszapi | rzr: libdb is removable from your repo | 11:40 |
| djszapi | rzr: that package breaks a lot of things | 11:40 |
| rzr | djszapi: do u suggest to unpublish it ? | 11:40 |
| djszapi | rzr: just remove it, please :) | 11:42 |
| rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/repositories?package=db4.2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 11:43 |
| djszapi | much newer version is available from the public SDK | 11:43 |
| djszapi | I mean from the beta. | 11:43 |
| spenap | rzr, I can't install bash: does it come from other repository? It doesn't seem to be in yours | 11:43 |
| djszapi | please do not put bash therein... | 11:43 |
| djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/b/bash/ -> use the "official" | 11:43 |
| djszapi | rzr: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/d/db4.8/ | 11:44 |
| rzr | spenap: I used this version also | 11:44 |
| spenap | ah | 11:44 |
| spenap | ok | 11:44 |
| rzr | djszapi: ok let me overide with that one | 11:44 |
| djszapi | rzr: no please | 11:44 |
| djszapi | rzr: just remove it from the shared, no need for that there. | 11:44 |
| rzr | ok | 11:44 |
| spenap | thanks, djszapi | 11:44 |
| rzr | btw i granted you the right to do that too | 11:44 |
| djszapi | rzr: and please add you into the maintainer section next time. When I wanted to figure out who maintains it: it has still been the debian maintainer list :D | 11:45 |
| djszapi | I think debian maintainers would be a bit angree if they keep getting harmattan packaging mails :D | 11:46 |
| djszapi | angry* | 11:46 |
| spenap | ok, installing bash did the trick :), thanks rzr | 11:46 |
| rzr | removed | 11:46 |
| djszapi | rzr: excellent, how is vacation goin' ? :) | 11:47 |
| rzr | still not started | 11:47 |
| rzr | on thu | 11:47 |
| djszapi | weren't you on vacation in Malaysia ? | 11:47 |
| rzr | i was working elsewhere this past week | 11:47 |
| rzr | not yet | 11:47 |
| rzr | but countdown started :) | 11:48 |
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| ieatlint | can someone who is not in the US load this link and tell me what the app is? http://store.ovi.com/content/178823 | 12:15 |
| ieatlint | was sent the url, but can only got a message telling me it's not available in my country | 12:15 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/120049/ | 12:16 |
| ieatlint | awesome, thanks | 12:17 |
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| rzr | ieatlint: http://store.ovi.com/content/178823# Sorry, this item is not available for your country. | 12:20 |
| rzr | in france | 12:20 |
| ieatlint | hah, is it only available in finland? | 12:21 |
| faenil | I'm in Italy and it's available here | 12:21 |
| djszapi | so it is only available for game developers, that is ;) | 12:22 |
| * ieatlint suspects it's also available in germany | 12:22 | |
| faenil | lol | 12:23 |
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| djszapi | rzr: we need some packages for kde-runtime btw | 12:29 |
| djszapi | rzr: for instance samba. | 12:30 |
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| rzr | djszapi: paste the list on f.m.o | 12:37 |
| djszapi | rzr: got a dedicated link ? | 12:37 |
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| rzr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4218 | 12:38 |
| rzr | btw i did try to build samba | 12:44 |
| rzr | but it failed | 12:44 |
| djszapi | oh ? | 12:44 |
| rzr | lemme check again | 12:45 |
| rzr | any progress on libssh or tls? | 12:45 |
| djszapi | not really, libssh failed with an issue I could not realy figure out that time. | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, Nokia tag writer | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Tag Writer is an application for creating Near Field Communication tags. The application allows you to specify the content for a tag, and write this content on to a tag. | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | oh nvm, djszapi already pasted it :P | 12:52 |
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| kkito | hello | 12:52 |
| kkito | how much it costs a nfc tag? | 12:52 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, wtf is an nfc tag? | 12:53 |
| djszapi | kkito that application is free | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | NFC tags are available for well under a dollar | 12:54 |
| kkito | djzapi, not the app, the tag | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | thanks though, i was somewhat curious what countries it was available in as well | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Does nokia tag writer write external tags, or the internal device though | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | internal device methinks | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I understood it was internal | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | it writes nfc type1 and 2, and to mifare classic... not sure what you mean by internal/external | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | There is an internal NFC card that can be read by external readers. | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | At least in some nokia devices | 12:56 |
| ieatlint | not in any current device | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - I must have misread something | 12:56 |
| ieatlint | there's something call tag emulation, where the nfc device acts as a tag and the other device has no idea it's not | 12:56 |
| ieatlint | and there's peer 2 peer (like seen for "angry birds magic") | 12:56 |
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| dm8tbr | did anyone look at telepathy-haze + sipe for harmattan? | 13:03 |
| djszapi | telepathy-sofiasip is used imho | 13:06 |
| dm8tbr | does sofiasip have the SIMPLE stuff? | 13:07 |
| * dm8tbr googles | 13:07 | |
| djszapi | simple as in ? | 13:07 |
| dm8tbr | SIMPLE is one of the SIP messaging protocols | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | and yes it supports that | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | the question is if it supports the microsoft flavour of SIPE | 13:08 |
| djszapi | well, sofiasip provides actually a full support. | 13:08 |
| dm8tbr | full support of what? | 13:09 |
| djszapi | well, that is a completely working SIP client | 13:09 |
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| dm8tbr | both SIMPLE and SIPE are extensions of the basic SIP protocol | 13:10 |
| djszapi | so, it would be weird if it did not provide SIMPLE really :) | 13:13 |
| dm8tbr | well funny then that I can't find any mentions on the net that sofiasip would support OCS or LYNC | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi, does an MSheet have a pannable view by default or am I missing something? | 13:17 |
| Ans5i | i think it has, but it should not. | 13:19 |
| Ans5i | imho. | 13:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Ans5i, it doesn't | 13:33 |
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| djszapi | MohammadAG: you are right, it does not =) | 13:54 |
| djszapi | you can use an MPannableViewport to make it scrollable | 13:57 |
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| MohammadAG | djszapi, MNotifications, do they have a signal or something to add an action to them? | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | I'd like to focus the app when they're clicked | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | and one more thing, is there a library to squircle an image? | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | oh, need DBus, oh well | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | squircle? Don't know much about pokemon. | 14:34 |
| djszapi | squircling, maybe find out how the browser does it for the bookmarks, and AFAIK the only way to add an action to a MNotification is with the setAction metho | 14:35 |
| djszapi | however the browser is closed. | 14:36 |
| djszapi | I have the source of the browser, but no time to look into that. | 14:39 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, and the contacts app does it too | 14:40 |
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| djszapi | fiferboy o/ | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like "a completely working SIP client" | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see http://www.twinklephone.com/ "Standards Support" for a proper specification of an almost comprehensive SIP implementation - though it's virtually impossible to support *all* possible SIP extension RFCs | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus there are some de-facto "standards" that are used / supported / required by a fair number of SIP clients and servers while not actually based on any RFC specification. a good example is >> http://mfnboer.home.xs4all.nl/twinkle/faq.html#contact_header << | 15:31 |
| djszapi | well, you misunderstood that sentence. That clients works just fine without any issue, so it obviously supports SIMPLE. That was actually the point there to interpret it for you. | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> Why does Twinkle use “username.domain@local_ip” address in the contact header since version 0.5? << | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a LOT of SIP hw does not support SIMPLE and works all fine | 15:32 |
| dm8tbr | the problem is SIPE (the OCS/Lync protocol) is an extension to the SIMPLE extension of SIP - after all it's by MS... | 15:32 |
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| djszapi | no, not supporting simple is not "works all fine" at all. | 15:33 |
| dm8tbr | http://sofia-sip.sourceforge.net/refdocs/sofia_sip_conformance.html - that's a metric f*ckton of RFCs | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | how is not supporting http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-presence-10 on a client that has no notion about contacts at all any issue qualifying that client for "not works all fine" ? | 15:37 |
| djszapi | sorry, I do not have sake for this arguement on Saturday afternoon, let me do something more useful :) | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd think on a phone without huge display any SIMPLE presence notification is completely useless | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djszapiN9: watever you say, darling | 15:38 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, "darling" | 15:39 |
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| Venemo | lol | 15:43 |
| smoku | is COBS borked again? | 15:46 |
| djszapi | smoku: no, it is not. | 15:46 |
| smoku | it doesn't build my packages for Harmattan :/ | 15:47 |
| djszapi | define "does not build". | 15:47 |
| smoku | meego builds are running fine, harmattan builds not | 15:47 |
| djszapi | define "not running fine". | 15:47 |
| smoku | djszapi, I'm in a dejavu state. we were having this conversation already. we clearly do not understand each other, so let's stop now. | 15:48 |
| smoku | if eanyone else is willing to help me, we could continue | 15:49 |
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| dm8tbr | smoku: core OBS just tanked for links, but harmattan backend is available AFAICS | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | so building against real meego is b0rken as every weekend, hopefully building against harmattan is not impacted. | 15:54 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, i removed harmattan repository from my project, reconfigured it from scratch and the builds just kicked in | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | ah, nice to hear you got it working | 15:55 |
| smoku | meego repos were building fine. even DE. :) just harmattan repo was moody | 15:57 |
| djszapi | we can help so much about "not working fine" details. | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's "we" here? | 15:59 |
| djszapi | anybody getting such a detailed error description. | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr seems to disagree and act differently | 16:01 |
| smoku | alterego, $(findstring did the trick. thanks :) | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | +) | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare >> <djszapi> define "does not build". << to >> <dm8tbr> smoku: core OBS just tanked for links, but harmattan backend is available AFAICS << If you find out about the difference in mindset, then you're on your way to become a better member of this community | 16:06 |
| djszapi | I fail to see your point. Good and fast help start with a correct error description, otherwise the help cannot theoritically be efficient. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnagnagna | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr proved you wrong | 16:08 |
| djszapi | fail to see why.. | 16:08 |
| dm8tbr | 'is COBS broken?' is a valid question to which I had a valid answer which I provided with sufficient detail | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 16:08 |
| djszapi | 15:46 < djszapi> smoku: no, it is not. | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | define "it's not" ! | 16:09 |
| djszapi | sorry, but asking for more detailed error description than "not running fine" is my habit, and will remain, does not matter you like it or not. | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | which is just fine. it still may be possible to answer a question on a more general level though. if not by you then by someone else. don't discount that option. | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it seems for you communication is mainly a process of following habits, that's why frequently >> <smoku> djszapi, I'm in a dejavu state. we were having this conversation already. we clearly do not understand each other << | 16:13 |
| djszapi | yes, he gave the same "not running fine" error description. I think it is not my qualification. | 16:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer goes chatting to ELIZA, more fun while same level of eloquence | 16:16 | |
| djszapi | if I hear it about OCS, I can imagine about gazillion error possibilities, so not sure what to choose for helping, that is. Please please describe the errors smartly as it is written on the smart question page. | 16:16 |
| djszapi | OBS* | 16:16 |
| Venemo | thanks to you guys, I never need to watch a cabaret show | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: http://www.vincenteaton.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/muppet-show5.jpg | 16:21 |
| Venemo | :D | 16:21 |
| djszapi | dm8tbr: I have actually more issues on the top of my mind where I could ask just this small question as well and your answer would be irrelevant and off-topic. | 16:22 |
| dm8tbr | djszapi: in such a case I would actually ask you to clarify your question, yes | 16:22 |
| djszapi | why not starting with that instead of a lottery ? | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | there are more roads leading to rome than just this one | 16:23 |
| djszapi | the smart question page exists for a reason. | 16:23 |
| * dm8tbr facepalms | 16:24 | |
| * DocScrutinizer starts printing and selling tickets (chan key for +k printed on the back of the tickets) | 16:24 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dm8tbr | 16:25 | |
| *** dm8tbr sets mode: +k key12345 | 16:25 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -k * | 16:25 | |
| * dm8tbr is a sad panda | 16:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:25 |
| *** dm8tbr sets mode: -o dm8tbr | 16:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | msg chanserv help set mlock | 16:27 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, I know. doing this for real was not the point though | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually miss the point in chanserv mlock | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, differntiationg permissions granted via +o from those granted via accesslist | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | differentiating* | 16:30 |
| djszapi | dm8tbr: actually he even said the opposite what you said (just reading back), and you did not give any hint for the "not running" issue. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so... | 16:30 |
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| dm8tbr | djszapi: can we just agree that you have a different view than I have? and would you PLEASE stop trying to convince me to adopt yours? | 16:31 |
| dm8tbr | KTXBAI | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | dm8tbr: A shorter way to say it is "please, shut up already". | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 16:35 |
| dm8tbr | RST38h: well most of the time I manage to keep my countenance... | 16:36 |
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| GAN950 | Why is it completely impossible to download anything. . . . | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | define completely ;-P | 16:45 |
| dm8tbr | define 'downloading' ;) | 16:46 |
| alterego | smoku: np :) | 16:46 |
| Tronic | I am having issues with phone calls and text messages not getting thru. | 16:53 |
| Tronic | Anyone else seeing this with N950? | 16:53 |
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| Tronic | Seems somewhat random and sometimes rebooting the phone allows receiving text. | 16:53 |
| faenil | my N950 usually gets stuck for something like 2minutes | 17:03 |
| faenil | before coming back to life | 17:03 |
| faenil | black screen, nothing moves, no aswer | 17:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've had no problems with inbount texts | 17:07 |
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| GAN950 | grr | 18:00 |
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| ajalkane | Yes, I've had both problems. Black screen and incoming texts/calls | 18:03 |
| rzr | ajalkane: i reported a bug and a workaround | 18:15 |
| rzr | killall calle-ui | 18:16 |
| rzr | call-ui | 18:16 |
| rzr | bookmark this page : | 18:16 |
| rzr | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/buglist.cgi?product=MeeGo%201.2%20Harmattan&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on= | 18:16 |
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| djszapi | rzr: could you take a look at libssh at some point ? | 18:44 |
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| javispedro | ok, so fmtx is enabled, and I do not even get the slightlest hint of signal | 19:14 |
| * javispedro is not surprised | 19:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 19:16 |
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| javispedro | only thing throwing me off a bit is that Tx Ctune is always 0... | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ctune is the tuning cap integrated into the chip I think | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's tweakable | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | it's read-only | 19:19 |
| javispedro | and yeah, the C is from cap. But that's all I know about it :) | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Moo javispedro. | 19:21 |
| RST38h | How are things? | 19:21 |
| javispedro | quite fine | 19:22 |
| RST38h | anything interesting lately? | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It's an antenna tuner. Think of it like adjusting the weights on a spinning pendulumn to make it swing more at a desired frequency | 19:23 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: but shouldn't the value, well, change, as I tune other frequencies or even move the device around? | 19:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nah, still breaking things as you can see | 19:24 |
| RST38h | Hehe, yes, I have noticed | 19:24 |
| * RST38h submitted a package to the...ah...Ovi Store | 19:24 | |
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| RST38h | Maybe should do the same with the rest of packages,dunno... | 19:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: with the lack of the single repo, many people not knowing how to use OBS, and, well, the influence of symbian people, many people are submitting to the ovi store these days | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I'm unsure if it's actually a configurable | 19:25 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: as said, it's read-only -- it just shows some register from the chi | 19:25 |
| javispedro | *chip | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, plug some headphones and a charger | 19:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I also submit to rm_you's repo | 19:26 |
| javispedro | both are plugged in, MohammadAG | 19:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: frankly, find nothign wrong with having several repos (let us say <=12) rather than one | 19:27 |
| RST38h | People not submitting to ANY repo (like elessar with his FBReader/QML) are much more of an issue =) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:27 |
| javispedro | sadly, lack of click-and-point UI to add repos... | 19:28 |
| RST38h | ...filters out most really stupid people! =) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | touché. | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Besides, one can write a UI-based tool to manage those sources files | 19:28 |
| javispedro | but also causes devs to use ovi store for apps that target really stupid people | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 19:28 |
| RST38h | Although Ovi Store has been used to this puprpose for years now | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:29 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: the only problem is that with OVI, you cannot push libraries | 19:30 |
| javispedro | yeah | 19:31 |
| javispedro | same problem they have on webos, where everything is either satically linked or... gone. | 19:32 |
| javispedro | (for the store) | 19:32 |
| * javispedro is not going to more tests on fmtx... will upload the .ko and instructions though | 19:32 | |
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| javispedro | *statically linked, not satanically linked ;) | 19:34 |
| berndhs | close enough | 19:34 |
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| kkito | like in ios, osx, or others oses. I | 19:43 |
| kkito | no prob linking statically the libs i think | 19:43 |
| kkito | is better for abi compatibility, and easy to mantain | 19:43 |
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| kkito | i know a lot of people that hates dyn libraries.. | 19:44 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ping | 19:45 |
| kkito | javispedro, why are yoi not going to work more on fmtx? | 19:49 |
| javispedro | kkito: fmtx was said by nokia to be nonworking plus I have no special interest on it | 19:50 |
| berndhs | kkito: static linking by itself is not the problem. Shipping umpteen copies of the same lib, with small incompatibilities, is a problem | 19:50 |
| javispedro | plus, losing all this "I can update the library without touching the app" goodness | 19:51 |
| kkito | javispedro, and broke some other apps in the update ... | 19:52 |
| javispedro | hey, there are two camps here | 19:52 |
| berndhs | apparently :) | 19:52 |
| javispedro | on one side you have Raymond from MS who explains that even even inserts padding in stack frames in order to keep compatibility with broken applications that call their libraries in the weirdest ways possible | 19:53 |
| javispedro | on the other side you have those who would let those developers burn and would kill all those apps from orbit | 19:54 |
| javispedro | s/even even inserts/MS even inserts/ | 19:54 |
| djszapi | javispedro: stanically linked :p | 19:55 |
| djszapi | err..satanically :D | 19:55 |
| berndhs | its nice to write applications on top of Qt, it sucks to ship all of Qt with every single little app | 19:55 |
| djszapi | javispedro: one trick is that what I did with cups, is to put all the libraries with the cli util onto ovi store. | 19:56 |
| djszapi | so you can essentially write a cli client and put together with that :) | 19:56 |
| artemm | Hi All | 19:56 |
| djszapi | cups was otherwise 19 packages :p | 19:56 |
| artemm | Is here anybody who knows a little about D-Bus and gconftool-2? :) | 19:56 |
| berndhs | d-bus sucks, I know that :) | 19:57 |
| * kkito goint to Goat soup concert :P | 19:57 | |
| kkito | see you | 19:57 |
| berndhs | have fun, dont go home with a goat | 19:58 |
| artemm | damned, I lost my pastebin password | 19:58 |
| artemm | will come back in a couple of min after solving it | 19:58 |
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| artemm | basically I captured DBus traffic that happens during the harmattan wallpaper change (from Gallery) | 20:00 |
| artemm | it's quite simple, just 4 calls or so | 20:00 |
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| artemm | and to my understanding it just sets image file to "" and then back to normal name | 20:00 |
| artemm | but when I try cloning it with gconftool-2 I somehow manage to delete whole branch or something like that :) | 20:01 |
| artemm | http://pastebin.com/wYezcsZh | 20:01 |
| berndhs | i tried it directly with gconftool-2, setting the key to some other path + file, works fine | 20:01 |
| artemm | Could somebody, please, have a look and tell what this log actually tells | 20:01 |
| artemm | ? | 20:01 |
| artemm | berndhs, then I definitely misunderstand gconftool-2 syntax :/ | 20:01 |
| artemm | when I set it to "", if sort of works (—get shows there's nothing) | 20:02 |
| berndhs | gconftool-2 --type=string --set $GCONF_KEY $NEW_IMAGE | 20:02 |
| artemm | but when I try setting it back, value stays "" | 20:02 |
| berndhs | except i forget what the key is | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got an example on a list model in MTF? | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | where I can add content dynamically | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, btw, if you're wondering, M_OUTPUT_LEVEL=debug to get qDebug() output | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | apparently you can change what shows on stdout | 20:02 |
| artemm | /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | + | 20:02 |
| berndhs | artemm: yes that one | 20:03 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, sot hat only happens when you link with MTF? | 20:03 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: yesterday I did a qDebug() on a QCoreApplication and it worked fine | 20:03 |
| artemm | gconftool-2 —type=string —set /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename "whateverfilename.png" | 20:03 |
| artemm | hmm, I think I tried exactly that :/ | 20:03 |
| artemm | maybe missed something very basic | 20:03 |
| berndhs | berndhs: then i used an image in /home/user/MyDocs/some/thing/else, which was of teh required size 854x480 | 20:03 |
| artemm | should there be double quotes or single ones? | 20:04 |
| berndhs | double quotes in shell., or no quotes at all should work | 20:04 |
| berndhs | and i used a full path name | 20:04 |
| artemm | ok, retrying | 20:04 |
| artemm | maybe I just mistyped something | 20:04 |
| berndhs | i think the orientation might matter, 854x480 versus 480x854 | 20:05 |
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| artemm | I was able to set even image of totally different size | 20:05 |
| artemm | but only once and it was taken into account only after reboot | 20:06 |
| berndhs | hmm | 20:06 |
| artemm | I vaguealy remember that - there was lots of experiments | 20:06 |
| artemm | will retry now | 20:06 |
| berndhs | i didnt try d-bus, just from shell | 20:07 |
| artemm | dbus was just for monitoring what the system does | 20:07 |
| berndhs | ah | 20:07 |
| deimos | artemm: you should use landscape instead of portrait | 20:07 |
| artemm | deimos, ? | 20:07 |
| deimos | it works here | 20:07 |
| deimos | "/desktop/meego/background/landscape/picture_filename" | 20:08 |
| artemm | why should there be two wallpapers? :/ | 20:09 |
| deimos | 1 for portrasit | 20:09 |
| artemm | are they expected to change on orientation? | 20:09 |
| artemm | wow | 20:09 |
| deimos | and 1 for landscape | 20:09 |
| deimos | but orientation its not supported , but in tips and triks I think I seen somenting to enable it | 20:10 |
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| artemm | wow, everything works now | 20:13 |
| artemm | except for landscape | 20:13 |
| artemm | oh, now I've read your message about that ladscape isn't supported :) | 20:14 |
| RST38h | it is...well... kinda supported | 20:14 |
| artemm | thanks a lot guys! Last time I must have mistyped something, because it didn't work for me | 20:14 |
| RST38h | You can tell the desktop to treat your application as portrait | 20:14 |
| RST38h | I.e. interpret swipes properly | 20:14 |
| RST38h | You cannot tell it to rotate your application though | 20:15 |
| artemm | RST38h, actually its kind'a good that landscape orientation isn't working for wallpaper. I don't think wallpaper should know how to rotate, but easy possibility would make the "extra feature" tempting :) | 20:15 |
| berndhs | i have some code that uses the orientation sensor stuff, works except the main QML object doesn't change height properly | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Ah, you mean the wallpaper...Everything is different there =) | 20:17 |
| berndhs | ah one of my government-dictated environment-saving lightbulbs died | 20:21 |
| berndhs | another trip to the toxic waste dump | 20:21 |
| * RST38h offers incandescent bulbs for a low price of $5/apiece | 20:22 | |
| RST38h | Up to 100W =) | 20:22 |
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| * javispedro offers total darkness for an even lower price | 20:23 | |
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| rzr | berndhs: i've read that less then 10% of those bulbs are actually recycled , the rest go to your air you breath and water you drink with a litle flavour of mercury | 20:24 |
| rzr | so it's safe to keep them and not garbage them | 20:24 |
| RST38h | Of course the most desirable disposal method would be to eat them | 20:25 |
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| berndhs | yes who doesn't like the refreshing hint of mercury on their pizza | 20:27 |
| RST38h | Does not necessarily contain mercury. LIkely though. | 20:27 |
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| berndhs | this one has a big Hg sign on it | 20:28 |
| rzr | do u know about those bulb manufacturers in eastern europe | 20:29 |
| rzr | they did produce imortal bulbs | 20:29 |
| artemm | doh, I never knew where to dispose these lightbulbs | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Well it has been a while ago | 20:29 |
| artemm | still have one or two dead ones at home | 20:29 |
| rzr | actually they did not resists the global market rules .. | 20:30 |
| berndhs | you send them to you local green party | 20:30 |
| artemm | I am a foreigner in Finland, but a couple of finns I asked didn't know where to put it either :) | 20:30 |
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| RST38h | And applied to incandescent stuff. As far as I know, 100% energy-saving neon bulbs sold here are produced in China | 20:30 |
| rzr | I only see one alternative | 20:30 |
| rzr | burn burn burn | 20:30 |
| rzr | fire fire fire | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Be careful what you wish for. | 20:31 |
| berndhs | probably valuable electronic parts in there, recycled by some kids in Pakistan | 20:31 |
| RST38h | There should be a starter module, and that is about it. On the other hand, at least some starters contain radioactive elements to ionize the gas | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | So, with a lot of these used bulbs, you can theoretically build a breeder reactor, collect enough material, make a bomb, play Osama. | 20:34 |
| berndhs | has capacitors in it | 20:34 |
| berndhs | in the starter module no doubt | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Will take a while though, might be easier to just grow a beard. | 20:35 |
| berndhs | well, the bulb i just removed tried to start _after_ I unplugged the lamp | 20:35 |
| berndhs | only source of power would be the starter | 20:36 |
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| captainigloo | hi | 21:22 |
| captainigloo | i trying to build EFL packages for harmattan and n950 | 21:23 |
| captainigloo | I already package some libs, but for some others i need a binary, and when it's launched in scratchbox, i always get a segv | 21:24 |
| captainigloo | this binary is one build in a previous package | 21:24 |
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| artemm | I am trying to use QValueSpacePublisher for updating gconf, but it doesn't work for me :/ | 21:49 |
| artemm | anybody tried it? | 21:49 |
| artemm | I suspect I am specifying path in a wrong way | 21:50 |
| artemm | QValueSpacePublisher publisher("/desktop/meego/background/portrait") | 21:50 |
| artemm | publisher.setValue("picture_filename", ""); | 21:50 |
| artemm | publisher.sync(); | 21:50 |
| artemm | but then via gconftool-2 I see that value isn't cleared | 21:51 |
| artemm | gconftool-2 --get /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename | 21:51 |
| artemm | stupid me, just figured it out | 21:52 |
| artemm | Somehow the process of writing a question to forum or IRC makes it very probably the solution will be found within a minute or two :) | 21:53 |
| RST38h | really? | 21:54 |
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| artemm | oh, no, the problem is still here | 21:54 |
| artemm | Here's what I am trying to clone: | 21:54 |
| artemm | originally from dbus traffic: http://pastebin.com/wYezcsZh | 21:54 |
| artemm | and then gconftool-2 commands that reach the same goal | 21:54 |
| artemm | gconftool-2 --type=string --set /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename "" | 21:55 |
| artemm | gconftool-2 --type=string --set /desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename "/home/user/.wallpapers/wallpaper.png" | 21:55 |
| artemm | somehow I can't make QValueSpacePublisher do the same | 21:55 |
| artemm | Could the following warning indicate a problem? | 21:58 |
| artemm | No organization name specified, registering on DBUS with 'com.nokia.unknown-organization' | 21:58 |
| ajalkane | q | 22:02 |
| artemm | aha, even from the very beginning even QValueSpaceSubscriber returns wrong value (empty when it's not empty) | 22:05 |
| artemm | i must be missing something very basic | 22:05 |
| artemm | QValueSpaceSubscriber subscriber("/desktop/meego/background/portrait"); | 22:06 |
| artemm | qWarning() << "initial value: " << subscriber.value("picture_filename"); | 22:06 |
| artemm | No application name specified, registering on DBUS as 'unknown-application' | 22:06 |
| artemm | initial value: QVariant(, ) | 22:06 |
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| frals | artemm: isConnected()? | 22:07 |
| artemm | checking now | 22:07 |
| artemm | I guess it is since I am seeing dbus related messages in the output | 22:08 |
| artemm | yes, it is | 22:08 |
| frals | weird | 22:08 |
| artemm | hmm, maybe I monitor dbus and compare | 22:08 |
| artemm | well, my dbus traffic does look different | 22:10 |
| artemm | something is coming from my app, but no correct keys are mentioned | 22:11 |
| artemm | here's what I am getting: http://pastebin.com/fZvFH1NA | 22:11 |
| artemm | and here;s what I am trying to clone (well, the first part of it for now): http://pastebin.com/wYezcsZh | 22:12 |
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| frals | from what you are getting, qvaluespacepublisher doesnt seem to do anything, at all | 22:14 |
| artemm | exactly | 22:14 |
| artemm | can it be related to that I am registered as unknown application? | 22:14 |
| frals | are you running it as same user as when executing gconftool-2? | 22:14 |
| frals | wonder how much aegis meddles with dbus... | 22:15 |
| frals | artemm: i would try doing setApplicationName and setOrganization on qapp but it sounds silly if that would be the cause | 22:16 |
| artemm | what would I set it to? | 22:16 |
| artemm | some random value? | 22:16 |
| frals | guess anything would do | 22:16 |
| frals | (never used qvaluespace* stuff so im just guessing fwiw :p) | 22:17 |
| artemm | trying | 22:18 |
| artemm | wow, i am still registered as unknown app | 22:21 |
| artemm | could it do something with that i am trying to do it all before app.exec()? | 22:21 |
| frals | uh, dont think so... could always try something like adding a processEvents() but err | 22:23 |
| artemm | yeah, and sync() is supposed to sync() | 22:24 |
| artemm | out of event flow | 22:24 |
| artemm | though app registration maybe doesn't happen before app.exec() | 22:25 |
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| rm_you | yeah i am still in favor of setting up one easy to submit repo | 22:46 |
| rm_you | with several "guardians" who do basic sanity checks to make sure random people aren't trying to submit retarded packages, spamming, etc | 22:47 |
| dm8tbr | sounds like apps.formeeego.org to me | 22:47 |
| rm_you | RST38h / Javispedro: ^^ | 22:47 |
| * RST38h moos at rm_you | 22:47 | |
| rm_you | yo RST | 22:47 |
| rm_you | sorry didn't manage to do your thing yet | 22:47 |
| * RST38h supports the idea | 22:47 | |
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| djszapi | rm_you: that has been the idea of the community OBS and lbt, xfade's idea. To provide a QA repository in the long run. | 22:53 |
| rm_you | yeah, except not involving the OBS | 22:53 |
| rm_you | something like our old dput system | 22:54 |
| rm_you | possibly | 22:54 |
| djszapi | so you will provide that server farm ? | 22:54 |
| RST38h | and other red tape | 22:54 |
| rm_you | or just FTP | 22:54 |
| rm_you | djszapi: YES, that is what i am offering | 22:54 |
| rm_you | i have been working on it off and on for a bit | 22:54 |
| djszapi | good luck with that | 22:55 |
| rm_you | i'm not just complaining, i'm trying to drum up support and maybe get some help | 22:55 |
| rm_you | thanks | 22:55 |
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| rm_you | RST38h: your stuff is loaded | 22:56 |
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| djszapi | rm_you: what is wrong with obs which will not the problem with your reinventation ? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | rm_you: thanks =) | 22:56 |
| djszapi | * not be | 22:56 |
| djszapi | What is the architectural difference that cannot be fixed in obs ? | 22:57 |
| djszapi | Is there a wikipage about that what you would like to do so that others can read and decide whether or not to join ? | 22:57 |
| rm_you | that OBS requires everything to build in OBS | 22:57 |
| rm_you | i need to make one, that is a good idea | 22:58 |
| rm_you | thanks' | 22:58 |
| djszapi | that would be the negotiation starting point. | 22:58 |
| RST38h | djszapi: As you are obviously not going to join,why ask? | 22:58 |
| RST38h | And what negotiation are you talking about? | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Nobody is negotiating anything | 22:58 |
| artemm | frals, in case u r interested in what happened next. I tried reading gconf after app.exec() (on timer signal), app still gets registered as unknown app and QValueSpaceSubscriber still doesn't read anything | 23:01 |
| djszapi | rm_you: are there ready-made applications for server farm task distribution ? Will you write an own script for those purposes ? | 23:13 |
| rm_you | server farm task what? | 23:15 |
| rm_you | it's just a repository | 23:15 |
| rm_you | i'm not talking about a builder right now | 23:15 |
| rm_you | just a repo | 23:15 |
| rm_you | and if i need to write scripts, yes i would do it, or find someone to help me do it while i do other things to the same goal | 23:15 |
| artemm | if I am seeing the following struct (and not just a string) via dbus monitor, does it mean that I need to pass to QValueSpaceSubscriber something more than just "/desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename"? | 23:15 |
| artemm | string "/desktop/meego/background/portrait/picture_filename" | 23:16 |
| artemm | struct { | 23:16 |
| artemm | int32 1 | 23:16 |
| artemm | string "/home/user/.wallpapers/wallpaper.png" | 23:16 |
| artemm | } | 23:16 |
| rm_you | that's why this is a *community* | 23:16 |
| artemm | my subscribers get connected to somewhere, but return something totally not like what I see via gconftool-2 | 23:16 |
| djszapi | rm_you: right, so you would like to raise the quality, but you basically avoid the basic test (to actually build the packages on clean machines). Actually that is where OBS determines the first Quality level. | 23:17 |
| rm_you | except what i've found is that my packages build and work fine, but OBS just fails, or is nearly as usable as scratchbox | 23:18 |
| rm_you | and i believe others have found the same thing | 23:18 |
| rm_you | if they haven't, then fine, i'm on my own | 23:18 |
| rm_you | but obviously some people are supportive of the idea, even if you aren't | 23:18 |
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| ajalkane | wtf. do I remember wrong that djszapi was swearing about OBS just a while ago because the libs had to be build there when he was doing kdelibs? | 23:18 |
| rm_you | i'm not talking about replacing OBS, or saying it is useless or anything | 23:19 |
| rm_you | i'm saying there should be a second option | 23:19 |
| rm_you | ajalkane: lol prolly, i don't even know why i'm arguing with a notorious troll :/ | 23:19 |
| ajalkane | yeah I think he's trolling again. Makes the channel fun though. | 23:19 |
| djszapi | ajalkane: kdelibs build just fine by now without any issues. | 23:19 |
| rm_you | yeah, livens things up :P | 23:19 |
| rm_you | djszapi: next time you have something positive to say about *anything*, let me know. i'm gonna go work on something productive now | 23:21 |
| djszapi | I am quite positive about the use case, what obs targets. It would be much better to behave like a community, and fix the implementation bugs. | 23:22 |
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| djszapi | so that make that better instead of distraction, it would just lead to against the purpose that lbt, xfade and me, rzr were thinking, one shared nice way of doing this by a community, and not X different solutions for the same use case. | 23:23 |
| rm_you | i'd be happy to submit to your community repo, just not via OBS | 23:23 |
| rm_you | and i don't think having two options is necessarily a bad thing | 23:24 |
| rm_you | having 30 would probably be bad | 23:24 |
| djszapi | it is not about two, we already had two, it would be third for the same use case. | 23:24 |
| lcuk | rm_you, the OBS builds for the various platforms, x86 and arm etc | 23:24 |
| rm_you | but AFAIK this would clean up some of the issues with random people hosting their own repos | 23:24 |
| lcuk | the obs is surprisingly well thought out :P | 23:25 |
| rm_you | if there is another non-OBS repo up, then i will cede to that one | 23:25 |
| rm_you | but it sounds like there is one option currently, which is OBS, no matter how much you claim there are many (as long as every option is an OBS option, that is one option AFAICT) | 23:25 |
| djszapi | well, I had a proposal for your issue long ago, direct push feature for mysterious issues, or for cases during the unstable phrase. | 23:25 |
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| rm_you | don't get me wrong please, i don't want to become the 6th or 7th community repo | 23:26 |
| rm_you | i want to create the ONE alternative to OBS | 23:26 |
| rm_you | so if you point me at an alternative that exists already i would gladly use that or join that project | 23:26 |
| djszapi | do you think OBS is broken by design/architecture, not well thought out, or ? | 23:27 |
| rm_you | lcuk: the OBS works wonderfully for some people and some purposes, but not well for others | 23:27 |
| rm_you | djszapi: same^^ | 23:27 |
| lcuk | rm_you, agreed | 23:27 |
| lcuk | it has a learning curve | 23:27 |
| djszapi | rm_you: I think it does not mean it cannot be fixed, and there is no lot of manpower in it that you should also go through ( and already fixed there long ago ) | 23:28 |
| djszapi | what I personally prefer, if it is getting stable by helping hands. I do not unfortunately have too much clue about those server and other things. | 23:28 |
| rm_you | alright, i propose to you a challenge | 23:28 |
| djszapi | now lot of manpower* | 23:28 |
| rm_you | if you can walk me through making one package i have submit and compile properly in OBS | 23:28 |
| rm_you | then i will drop it | 23:29 |
| rm_you | you or anyone | 23:29 |
| djszapi | Can you show me one easier package you could not build on obs ? | 23:29 |
| rm_you | advance warning: it requires a dependency tree of ~40 libs that will also need to be built, that are not currently | 23:29 |
| lcuk | actually rm_you http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 23:29 |
| lcuk | pretty much covers most of it | 23:29 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i used that | 23:29 |
| rm_you | did not have any luck | 23:30 |
| lcuk | for package attitude | 23:30 |
| rm_you | djszapi: "one easier package" is cheating | 23:30 |
| rm_you | how about one package that convinced me that i didn't want to deal with OBS? | 23:31 |
| djszapi | ok, show any package, I can try to help | 23:31 |
| djszapi | I just wanted to realize what the simpliest one was you could not get through. | 23:32 |
| rm_you | the one i was working with most was ffmpeg | 23:32 |
| djszapi | because kdelibs was a monster, but almost everything else worked for me apart from that | 23:32 |
| djszapi | and that also works nowadays oob. | 23:32 |
| rm_you | which you know was part of me trying to get mplayer2 working | 23:32 |
| rm_you | which i did | 23:32 |
| djszapi | yep | 23:32 |
| djszapi | do you have the dependencies on obs ? | 23:33 |
| rm_you | no | 23:33 |
| djszapi | heh | 23:33 |
| rm_you | it took me about four hours to trace through exactly what all the dependencies were | 23:33 |
| rm_you | and what their dependencies were | 23:33 |
| rm_you | the whole tree | 23:33 |
| rm_you | SB saved me a WHOLE lot of time | 23:34 |
| djszapi | you need to do it with and without OBS as well | 23:34 |
| rm_you | by being able to put in debian and fremantle as source repos | 23:34 |
| rm_you | and have it auto-apply debian patches | 23:34 |
| rm_you | etc | 23:34 |
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| djszapi | how can we speak about quality repository, if the dependencies are broken/missing ? | 23:35 |
| rm_you | well, the point is that i compiled all of the dependencies | 23:36 |
| rm_you | and i have them all in my repo | 23:36 |
| rm_you | and part of the role of the guardians would be to verify that if you're submitting packages you are also submitting depends that work | 23:36 |
| djszapi | please do not do that really | 23:36 |
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| djszapi | since debian, fremantle packages might contain false contact information, and debian people will really really not like you. | 23:36 |
| djszapi | speaking of which, purge removal needs some aegis addition which is a requirement for OVI store and unwritten quality by me as well | 23:37 |
| rm_you | well, if i made any actual changes to debian source, i always added changelog info and added my own info as the maintainer | 23:37 |
| rm_you | if not, then i let it pass through | 23:37 |
| djszapi | so these porting unfortunately more times break the purge removal | 23:37 |
| djszapi | debian people will not really like you. | 23:38 |
| djszapi | They told me that, I should really really not put them into the contact. | 23:38 |
| djszapi | I directly asked about it them on the debian mentors channel. | 23:38 |
| rm_you | hrm | 23:38 |
| rm_you | if there are no code changes to make things work, why would it matter? | 23:39 |
| rm_you | i suppose i could just take over maintenance of all packages | 23:39 |
| djszapi | because they do not wanna debug harmattan bugs | 23:39 |
| djszapi | they do not care about harmattan, they have their own life. | 23:39 |
| djszapi | good catch, I will document it on the shared community repository page to make it explicit what they asked frm us | 23:40 |
| djszapi | from* | 23:40 |
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| rm_you | wtf internet exploding | 23:41 |
| rm_you | anyway | 23:41 |
| rm_you | i need to be somewhere | 23:41 |
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| rm_you | can continue discussing later, this is good info to have | 23:41 |
| djszapi | what you could do is the ex-maintainer tag. | 23:41 |
| djszapi | but you still need to modify the package, take care about removal and other credentials, if it is needed | 23:42 |
| rm_you | so far i have not found much that needs additional aegis creds | 23:42 |
| djszapi | hahahahahaha :D | 23:42 |
| rm_you | i would like to assume that if the package was created appropriately to begin with, removal will work properly | 23:43 |
| djszapi | that is the thing, yes agreed, it is not that frequent, that is why I do not understand the complains. | 23:43 |
| rm_you | and that it isn't my job to assure that it removes properly | 23:43 |
| djszapi | from other people about aegis, it is oob normally | 23:43 |
| djszapi | no no, removal will not work properly (purge) in some cases, that is for sure | 23:44 |
| rm_you | when aegis breaks something, it BREAKS it, permissions or not, it seems | 23:44 |
| djszapi | and that is a hard dep requirement in ovi store. | 23:44 |
| rm_you | but for the most part it doesn't interfere with simple application and lib stuff | 23:44 |
| djszapi | exactly, works oob, full of complains unneccerisaly | 23:44 |
| rm_you | what it breaks is things that sysadmins / hardware hackers want to do | 23:44 |
| rm_you | which is unfortunate, because that sort of thing is what really could push this platform ahead | 23:45 |
| rm_you | moreso than simple apps | 23:45 |
| djszapi | no, it does not break, they do not know anything about the platform, but that is a bypass for this... back to the packaging | 23:45 |
| djszapi | I would not like to have a repository, where the dependencies are missing | 23:45 |
| rm_you | right, that would be horrible | 23:45 |
| rm_you | basic QA would be required to assure that | 23:46 |
| djszapi | and as such, recompiling a trivial debian package is the same in sb, and obs, for instance screen | 23:46 |
| djszapi | so I think you should start with the dependencies on OBS. | 23:46 |
| djszapi | (as everybody else does) | 23:46 |
| djszapi | no wonder you cannot submit a package with missing dependencies :D | 23:47 |
| rm_you | i mean, i know i would have to upload every single dep | 23:47 |
| rm_you | in the past, i was able to build things in OBS, but back then i had a console session that i was running OBS in | 23:48 |
| rm_you | and i could set everything up and trigger the build | 23:48 |
| rm_you | this UI things is wtf | 23:48 |
| djszapi | yes, we all did the same for other packages. What do you think how many deps I had for kdelibs ? ;) | 23:48 |
| djszapi | you do not need to use the Ui, you still have the osc option, that is an alternative for the Ui. That is the point of obs, it should work nicely without any direct console session manipulation. It will actually filter out the debian packaging bugs that we can report aback. | 23:50 |
| rm_you | how do i use osc | 23:50 |
| djszapi | osc --help | 23:50 |
| rm_you | i mean | 23:50 |
| rm_you | how do i get to it | 23:50 |
| djszapi | normally a simple add and commit | 23:50 |
| rm_you | AFAIK i don't have SSH access to the meego build server | 23:51 |
| djszapi | it would be nice for debugging, but not for the building itself. | 23:51 |
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| djszapi | but I would not still ask the same session, just different in order to not mess up the clean build environment. What I would test that way is the hardware relevant errors and other software relevant ones maybe. But surely not access to the clean build session. | 23:53 |
| djszapi | aka. it would be like a debug session. | 23:53 |
| rm_you | yeah | 23:53 |
| rm_you | what i would still have to do is essentially build everything in SB until i got it working | 23:53 |
| rm_you | then package up the source and submit it to OBS | 23:54 |
| djszapi | that is how build servers and development methodologies work even at companies from what I have seen in the past. | 23:54 |
| djszapi | the developer/packager test it locally when he is done with the modifications, and then he sends the result to a built/test server. | 23:54 |
| rm_you | i guess the most frustrating thing about that is that once you've spent 8 hours getting everything to build | 23:55 |
| rm_you | you get to do it again to get it all uploaded to OBS, when you have a working and installable package in front of you already | 23:55 |
| djszapi | I spent more than a month with kdelibs | 23:56 |
| djszapi | but that was a monster, never really been bigger package ever. | 23:56 |
| rm_you | at my work we get everything working in dev, and just click a button and it is transported to the test and then production servers | 23:56 |
| rm_you | there's not nearly as much juggling | 23:56 |
| djszapi | and that was already fixed, so I would like to be a bit sad to see those efforts go away. | 23:56 |
| rm_you | now i am late for a meeting :P | 23:57 |
| rm_you | but yes, good discussion | 23:57 |
| djszapi | packaging in dev and then put it to the repository is rather error-prone, and not about good quality. | 23:57 |
| djszapi | * the best quality. | 23:58 |
| rm_you | yes i suppose there is a difference between my concentrated effort to maintain quality in SB, and some random person maybe throwing together crap packages | 23:58 |
| djszapi | that is what debian does in leisure time, and now we tend to go back to report their issues obs figured out for us | 23:58 |
| rm_you | i *know* my stuff works before i publish it | 23:58 |
| djszapi | it is not about you know, you are a person making mistakes. | 23:58 |
| djszapi | trust me, there are thousand better packagers in debian than you making mistakes ;) | 23:59 |
| rm_you | oh, definitely | 23:59 |
| rm_you | but haven't had any issues yet :P | 23:59 |
| djszapi | it is like saying when I submit a patch for review | 23:59 |
| djszapi | Signed Off: TRUSTME | 23:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:59 |
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