IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-09-08

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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: fmrx works, somehow :-D00:10
javispedroabout the RDS parser, remember it's just ten or so lines long :)00:12
javispedroplus I failed to understand why here I wasn't getting D blocks when I should, thus the "Oh, a D block" message :)00:13
javispedroI now think D blocks are sent out on low signal conditions for $UNKNOWN_REASONS to me.00:13
RST38hmoo javispedro00:16
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MohammadAGjavispedro, that FM Radio app/concept out yet? :P00:39
javispedroMohammadAG: the test app is out00:39
SpeedEviljavispedro: FMTX now! :)00:40
SpeedEviljavispedro: Have you tried it on the RDA n9?00:40
MohammadAGright, I'll start on an MTF app soon :p00:40
javispedroI will try fmtx just to for the fun00:40
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, do they have an FM Radio on RDA? :P00:40
javispedroMohammadAG: read the thread for future developments, we are trying to do it "right"00:41
SpeedEvilThey have a n9 on RDA00:41
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SpeedEvilPresumably the building isn't shielded, so can pick up FM00:41
SpeedEvilOr you could turn on the n900 Tx, which is probably in the same room00:41
javispedroCan you get _physical_ audio out of RDA?00:41
SpeedEvilI don't think so00:41
SpeedEvilWell - mic00:41
javispedroMic from a nearby device? =)00:42
SpeedEvilOr even the same one00:42
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: (low signal -> DBlock) confirmed. It seems they show up when I mess with antenna00:42
DocScrutinizerI guess mixer et all is overstrained with getting FMRX->CPU->speakers plus mic->CPU00:44
javispedronah, it would be more stressed during a phone call for ex.00:45
DocScrutinizerumm no, a phonecall is using a different McBSP for cmt<->cpu00:46
javispedrosame here00:46
javispedrofmrx->cpu is using #300:46
DocScrutinizerok then00:46
DocScrutinizerstill you'll have fun setting mixer up for this scenario to listen to own speakers via mic00:47
javispedronot hard00:51
javispedroit's just parec -r | pacat -p :)00:51
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DocScrutinizersure, that's not the problem, but I doubt the mixer settings will be correct OOTB for that01:04
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DocScrutinizeras we got no friggin (even block-)schematics, I got no clue how the stereo mic is hooked up to the SOC01:06
DocScrutinizerif those are digital mics connected to SOC via dedicated buses, I'd not expect too many problems with it. OTOH I expect them to be connected to the mixer chip, and that's what will introduce some fun into the picture01:07
DocScrutinizerif the policy for stereo playback gets activated and sets up the mixer for that usecase, then probably mic is shut down per default01:09
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DocScrutinizerbtw no parec nor pacat here01:11
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you probably already enabled the analog mixer loopback by accident when playing with alsamixer01:11
DocScrutinizeryoh, I did01:11
javispedros/analog mixer/analog mic->speaker01:11
javispedroit's two controls away virtually01:11
DocScrutinizerhmm, I'd guess there are some mux and preamps involved as well01:12
DocScrutinizersome gain settings01:12
javispedroall the settings are exposed..01:13
DocScrutinizerbut you are just guessing what they actually do, as we ... see above01:13
javispedroand there's no special initialization for recording from the mic01:13
DocScrutinizerhmm, that's actually strange, as usually mic would need some VDD or micbias enabled prior to starting to use it for recording01:15
DocScrutinizeralso frequently you want to configure the sampling rate, number of channels etc pp01:15
DocScrutinizerlet's agree on "it's no real fun to mess with audio mixer when you got *no* docs about the hw lineup you're dealing with"01:17
DocScrutinizerit's like "here, all the screws to adjust your car engine are exposed. I give you a screwdriver and then you go ahead"01:18
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DocScrutinizerooops that's been the tensioning screw for the camshaft belt01:20
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offs_Do you know in what package are ?01:40
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Venemo_N950anyone alive yet?09:34
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spenapI'm rather undead, which is something..09:36
* dm8tbr needs to caffeinate a bit more09:37
Venemo_N950I've had an "English breakfast tea" from Twinnings09:37
Venemo_N950it has a forgettable taste, but it had my necessary caffeine dose nevertheless09:38
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specialyou need proper tea :p09:40
radiofreesuper charge yourself, have a mug of black coffee instead :)09:41
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Venemo_N950nope, coffee doesn't do good to me09:42
Venemo_N950special, my favourite is Twinnings's Lady Grey tea09:43
radiofreesame here, hate the stuff, I just view it as my caffeine delivery mechanism09:43
specialterrible, both of you :p09:44
specialreal tea doesn't come crushed up in bags and cardboard boxes in your grocery store09:44
Venemo_N950whoever was lady Gray, she must have been a pretty hot woman for having her name on such a good tea.09:44
specialand real coffee is delicious.09:44
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Venemo_N950special, yeah, well, educate me about tea then09:45
radiofreespecial: Twinnings is on a higher level then the grocery store tea :)09:45
Venemo_N950radiofree, agreed!09:45
radiofreeIt's impractical to make a pot every time you need a cup of tea09:45
specialI had twinings when I was in the UK09:46
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special I use one of these, and lots of loose-leaf tea from there and other places09:52
specialand a variable-temperature kettle, that is critical.09:52
specialthat said, the lady gray was my favorite of the twinings teas I tried :p09:53
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radiofreeI've seen a "Russian Earl Grey", not tried it09:55
xarcassradiofree: keep staying away from this crap09:55
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radiofreeok, noted ;)09:56
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* xarcass thinks that the best kettle (and pot) is a glass 1-liter can with two razor blades connected to a 1-meter of 2-thread insulated wire09:59
specialxarcass: not unless you add a temperature sensor :p09:59
xarcasssensors are for losers. real men always know the right moment to pull razors off the water10:00
xarcassthe secret is to watch the bubbles10:01
specialany bubbles is too many bubbles10:01
specialdepending on the type of tea10:02
* special takes tea very seriously10:02
* xarcass thinks that quality of tea can always be improved by adding more tea to the water10:03
xarcassi'd like to take tea seriously too, but i haven't got sense of smell (completely), so i'm hardly an expert for there's only taste what's left for me10:05
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Venemo_N950hey again10:23
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Venemo_N950morning djszapiN9 :)10:26
djszapiN9hiemanshu, the font size change does not take effect, not even after a reboot10:26
djszapiN9hello bello Venemo ;)10:26
hiemanshudjszapiN9: that was a dummy element, fixed in newer version10:26
hiemanshuas in works in newer version10:26
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StecchinoAny chance there is an N950 update coming soon?11:54
Stecchinothe 06/21 version is missing some functionality the I need of my main phone, so have to keep on using the N90011:55
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Stecchinobut I'm developing an app that needs to be tested in real life, so obviously would like to do that using the N95011:56
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djszapiStecchino:  yeah, we all know that, but we do not know. Would make sense for Nokia to give a new release with the upcoming sales device in my opinion, but that is just speculation.12:00
Stecchinowell, best before actually12:00
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StecchinoI've even discovered the N950 is lacking some HW things w.r.t. N9 for my use case12:01
Stecchinomainly sensors12:01
djszapidoes not really matter what we speculate :)12:02
Stecchinojust a general question: who here is developing commercial apps for harmattan (or plans to).12:02
Stecchinowould like to know if there are any 3rd party devs left for mobile Qt12:02
TronicStecchino: Many might do but cannot tell.12:03
djszapiStecchino: I did.12:03
Stecchinodjszapi: at Nokia you mean?12:03
djszapiyes, but that does not matter since it was not the platform team.12:05
TronicI only wish they'd put those useless "<whatever> news" apps in a separate category or entirely remove them from Store.12:05
TronicWhen browsing new applications it is difficult to find the new actual apps when the list is full of that crap.12:06
TronicI guess that movie trailers, lock screen images and such already go into separate categories and thus don't appear on the list.12:07
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MohammadAG<Stecchino> the 06/21 version is missing some functionality the I need of my main phone, so have to keep on using the N90012:36
MohammadAGlike what?12:36
MohammadAGI need ideas for apps :p12:36
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StecchinoMohammadAG: google accounts plugin12:37
StecchinoI know it exists and was working very well. So wonder why it was not in the 0621 firmware12:37
jreznikTronic: these news are quick way how to have gazzilions "apps" to compete with android and iphone... but take a look to these app stores - it's mess12:37
MohammadAGStecchino, may I suggest looking at the N9s on RDA?12:37
djszapiStecchino: I heard that it is not because of it was not working. It was a different issue, namely certificate.12:38
MohammadAGStecchino, :P12:38
StecchinoMohammadAG: I can do that for UI testing sure. But I can't shake and throw the RDA devices around, which I need for my app :)12:38
StecchinoMohammadAG: later firmware obviously12:39
MohammadAGStecchino, the one in the link?12:39
MohammadAGit's 22-6, the version you all have12:39
Stecchinodjszapi: yeah, that is likely it. Though it was working fine back in March12:39
MohammadAGI just pulled some files :p12:39
StecchinoMohammadAG: you soooo have to tell us how :)12:40
djszapiStecchino: Skype has been also working for a while, still not there ;-)12:40
MohammadAGStecchino, also this
MohammadAGthough that didn't up well12:42
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kkitohow to activate skype account?12:49
kkitotheres the package out there?12:49
kkitoMohammadAG: what files i need to download from rda to be able to activate it?12:51
MohammadAGI doubt it's legal, do some dpkg -L magic and you'll know ;)12:51
MohammadAGanyone tried to listen to music with the N950 in a jeans pocket while it's locked?12:52
MohammadAGit skips parts of the song and sometimes goes back a song or two12:52
artemmActually just putting it to jeans pocket is dangerous :)12:52
macmaNMohammadAG: i do that all the time. hasnt experienced that at all.12:53
artemmnot ones it chatted with my facebook friends from my pocket12:53
MohammadAGmacmaN, long distances?12:53
artemm*not once12:53
artemmI must be happy it didn't call any phone sex12:53
macmaNMohammadAG: well several tens of minute of walking for sure.12:53
MohammadAGit merged three contacts for me :p12:53
artemmwhat helps is disabling unlock on doubletap12:53
MohammadAGyeah, thinking it's that12:54
artemmthen it will wait until power button press12:54
MohammadAGor the volume keys can somehow skip the song12:54
MohammadAGbut I like the double tap12:54
artemmfar not that cool, but it doesn't behave wrong then12:54
MohammadAGI have my phone on the desk in class, and I just have to double tap the screen to see the clock12:54
artemmoh, I love double tap, it's just too expensive when it is misused by the pocket )12:54
Stskeepsyour ass can swipe the screen? :P12:55
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artemmit would be great if they improved wrong touch detection12:55
artemmthat's not too hard to improve it quite a bit12:55
MohammadAGI don't put it in my ass pocket :P12:56
macmaNi would actually *love* volume keys to be able to skip songs12:56
MohammadAGI'd forget it and sit on it12:56
MohammadAGmacmaN, for some reason I think it's there12:56
macmaNits mondo annoying having to unlock the screen all the time and swipe into music player12:56
MohammadAGI mean, I leave the player in the details view (when clicking "...")12:56
MohammadAGand it skips/goes back a song12:56
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kkitohey, i am looking for this component (View header) but i am unable to find it. Do you know where it is?12:59
kkitois it available in the current SDK?12:59
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macmaNMohammadAG: you mean it skips with volume buttons while locked?13:05
MohammadAGI don't know how it skips, but it skips13:06
macmaNim trying right now both ways. volbuttons only regulate vol.13:07
MohammadAGI can't reproduce it13:07
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macmaNanother thing im finding worrysome about the media player - i cannot play a folder13:09
macmaNsome various artists albums have the separate album names in tags. so there's no way to actually play this various artists collection.13:09
Venemo_N950macmaN, that'13:09
leinirwell no, of course you can't... that would imply exposing the filesystem, which you're not supposed to do13:10
macmaNi guess the only way is playlists13:10
macmaNleinir: i know right, after all we'd be more powerful than android then13:10
leinirthe real solution would be to support albums with multiple artists13:10
leinirmacmaN: Bah - "fixing" it by exposing the filesystem structure is such a shortcut...13:11
macmaNside note: is there any fix for the pkgmgrd getting stuck problem after any installation activity? it pretty much takes a fresh reboot to install or uninstall any software.13:14
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macmaNwell, aside from "wait for new fw"13:14
djszapiif that would be the case, you could not install developer packages after each other.13:15
djszapithat was*13:15
djszapifortunately, we can do that.13:16
StecchinoMohammadAG: the RDA N9 (at least one of them) seems locked up. Shouldn't it be rebootable?13:16
macmaNi have not been able to identify the exact condition after which installations just stop working.13:17
macmaNbut killall pkgmgrd has been documented a long time ago as a workaround13:17
djszapiThey need a stepset to reproduce, I guess, otherwise invalid until that.13:18
JaffaMorning, all13:29
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thpJaffa: in which timezone are you? "morning"..13:48
djszapitimezone does not unconditionally say what a person feels "morning" :)13:49
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Jaffathp: UK. It's still morning (with 31 mins to go at the time ;-))14:00
djszapikkito: I am afraid you need to implement your own component. At least, I am not finding it anywhere.14:00
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kkitodjszapi: thx... but why is it documented if there is not such component :(14:02
djszapikkito: I might be wrong, but I am not finding it. I hope someone can help with it.14:03
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djszapikkito: There were many other things as well in the documentation without any available component or anything related :(14:06
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RST38hdjszapi: Ok, try QDeclarativeView::setSource(QUrl("qml:File.qml")) in your code14:12
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RST38hSee it go bonkers with the network off14:12
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djszapiRST38h: does your contain that line ?14:13
djszapiyour code*14:13
RST38hNot any more.14:16
djszapiright, so it does not change anything for me since I could not replicate the bug here.14:16
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BrettQwhat is the password for the user account on the N950?16:06
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radiofreethere isn't one?16:07
DocScrutinizer[Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, as previously promised today will be the day where the network goes up in flames... I mean, where we carry out some upgrades to the ircd. I'm about to kill off a number of servers and the affected user count is ~8K! Hopefully this won't take long but I suggest you brace for impact..16:08
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djszapiBrettQ: or you can set something up with root.16:08
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radiofreebasically just copy your public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, then you can login as user16:10
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radiofreeor as djszapi, set one as root16:10
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BrettQdjszapi: brain isn't awake yet this morning16:11
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djszapiheh, it is not possible to delete music files from the music player library16:14
djszapiviews via object menu16:15
djszapithat is funky :)16:15
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Venemois there an #ifdef or qmake config, or some runtime info that I can reliably check to see if I'm on Harmattan or not?16:25
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Venemothx djszapi16:28
Venemodjszapi, so it's not possible yet?16:29
Venemodjszapi, achipa says "with the final SDK in the .pro you will have"16:29
djszapi"Note that these are available only in the final Harmattan target." -> with bold letters :)16:30
Venemoso it's not possible yet16:30
* Venemo wants the final Harmattan target16:30
achipasoon TM16:30
* Venemo also wants new software for his N95016:30
achipasoon TM #216:31
deimosVenemo, want you to try mine ? :)16:31
achipawith the workaround on that wiki page you should be set (at least for this particular issue)16:32
Venemodeimos, your what?16:33
deimosjust finish to test before publish16:33
deimosit is mediadownloader, to watch, download from google image and youtube16:34
Venemowhat app is it?16:34
djszapitesting is for bad coders ;)16:34
deimosyes I am bad16:35
Venemoso you think I'm a bad coder?16:35
VenemoI'll take that as a personal insult.16:35
deimosno I am16:35
Venemo[15:34] <djszapi> testing is for bad coders ;) ----> so very not true.16:35
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djszapiVenemo: well, testing, debugging and documenting =)16:42
Venemoa good developer can do all those things.16:42
fralsdocumenting is fuckin dull thou16:43
deimoswell, for anyone want to try
achipaVenemo: wait a tic... there was a qtcreator update, right ?16:47
achipathat should mean a new qmake...16:47
Venemoachipa, yeah, 2.3.0, Built on Aug 25 2011 at 15:14:4516:49
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djszapiwhy should qtcreator update mean a qmake update ?16:50
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djszapiqmake is different from qtcreator.16:50
djszapiit can also be used from command line, kdevelop and the like.16:51
MohammadAG16:47 djszapi: testing is for bad coders ;)16:52
MohammadAGyou were being sarcastic right?16:52
djszapisorry, but no sake about arguing of a joke really, if you did not get the joke, just skip it :)16:53
MohammadAGarguing? nope, just wondering16:53
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javispedrohi djszapi16:53
djszapihello javispedro :)16:53
Venemohey MohammadAG :)16:53
djszapihow is fmradio coming along ?16:53
MohammadAGheya Venemo16:54
Venemojavispedro, should you need a GUI for the radio, let me know and I'll make you one :)16:54
Venemojavispedro, we could also involve wazd in the design if he isn't too busy16:54
MohammadAGshould you need an MTF version, ping me :p16:54
MohammadAGVenemo, can you make irc chatter sort channels alphabitcally?16:54
javispedrodjszapi: you're right about that bt sco bit, that's why I refer when I talk about bluetooth hands free profile16:55
djszapinot by default, please.16:55
javispedro(but sco is more accurate :) )16:55
VenemoMohammadAG, I plan to add sorting options, yes. please add it to the wishlist :)16:55
javispedrothat it collides with fmrx, I mean.16:55
MohammadAGdjszapi, sorry, used to xchat :p16:55
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javispedrothe policy manager didn't seem to do anything about it16:55
javispedros/that's why/that's what16:56
MohammadAGanyone disassembled the N950?16:57
djszapiMohammadAG: actually moving channel into your order would make much more sense16:57
djszapinot sure how to design that with this swipe Ui interface.16:58
djszapi"/move window NUMBER" would also make sense for hackers :p17:00
djszapijavispedro: sorry, but I do not understand the problem. I thought we discussed it and everything is straight-forward what will happen. What makes you doubt aboutanything ? :)17:01
javispedrodjszapi: I am not pointing a problem, rather agreeing on that the problem you mentioned exists =)17:02
djszapijavispedro: what problem ?17:03
javispedrodjszapi: collision with bt sco17:04
djszapiyep, but this profile will solve that.17:04
djszapinot in this release, not even in the next imo though..17:05
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djszapiVenemo: I realized what actually is causing the connection issue I told you more times. That might be a high-priority bgu to fix.17:21
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fiferboyFound it - /var/lib/dpkg/status18:41
fiferboyUnbroke my package management after installing my own qt-components :D18:41
djszapihi fiferboy =)18:43
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fiferboydjszapi, hi18:44
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djszapirzr: you broke the soprano installation by the old db package in the shared repository.19:16
djszapilet me get rid of that old version from the shared repository.19:16
djszapirzr: the public SDK provides a much newer version ;)19:16
djszapirzr: is it a dependency for some package, as in hard coded old dependency ? If that is the case, please rename it so that they do not collide in any way.19:17
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djszapihi Venemo :)19:24
Venemo_N950hello djszapi :)19:25
djszapiVenemo: so there is the bug about the connection. I think it is critical to fix since it is hard to debug.19:25
Venemo_N950how are you today?19:25
djszapiVenemo: did you get the finding when I last told it ?19:26
djszapiVenemo: it is because I did not somehow have internet coonection. What you could do is to open up the internet connection dialog like the browser does when there is no internet connection established.19:26
Venemo_N950you changed some port setting or maybe ssl, and it worked?19:26
Venemo_N950djszapi, is there an api for that?19:27
djszapialso, if I fix the internet connection "manually" after I launched the app, it never connects again, there is no automatic "detection".19:27
djszapiyes, there is.19:27
djszapiyou can open up any settings dialog with no issue19:27
Venemo_N950yeah, that's a known shortcoming, expect it to be fixed19:27
Venemo_N950the app will also display a message when the connection is lost19:27
djszapiabout the internet connection detection, no idea...19:27
Venemo_N950and it will give you a button that will reconnect you19:28
djszapisounds funny that is the problem, but annoying, and remember how much we debugged it.19:28
Venemo_N950for detection, there is Qt Mobility bearer api19:28
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Venemo_N950djszapi, I also will obtain a new firmware version tomorrow, so I can test with the new software.19:29
djszapigood :)19:30
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djszapiAbout launching a certain Settings page: You can check the wanted applets desktop file for the proper method to launch it, eg, about-applet can be launched by "dbus-send --print-reply --session / string:About product"19:30
djszapiits desktop file contains this:
djszapiso find the alternative and you are done.19:30
Venemo_N950djszapi, not sure why Nokia doesn't want to publicize it... when we asked the contact in Nokia Hungary, the response was "of course".19:31
Venemo_N950djszapi, the internet connection dialog is a settings plugin?19:31
djszapitry to launch grob without internet connection19:31
djszapiit will open up the relevant internet settings page.19:31
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Venemo_N950yeah, it pops up regularly methinks19:32
djszapiyep, if you type for instance, it pops up. If you do the same, that is perfect.19:32
djszapiVenemo: duicontrolpanel-networkapplet - Cellular network settings applet. ?19:36
djszapiand here is the desktop file:
djszapiso: "dbus-send --print-reply --session / string:Phone network"19:40
djszapiso for the connection tick, check, if there is no stuff, call this.19:40
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djszapiVenemo: actually it is even documented here:
Venemothanks djszapi :)19:57
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Venemodjszapi, so, #ifdef harmattan, and then I can just link to a lib and call a single function, and that's it, right?20:02
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djszapijust execute the dbus call if the internet connection is established.20:04
Venemowhat dbus call?20:05
djszapi"dbus-send --print-reply --session / string:Phone network"20:06
VenemoI just need to call this method:20:06
VenemodcpIf->appletPage("Internet"); //To show "internet applet" for example20:06
Venemoaccording to your doc20:06
djszapioh sure, you can use the "low-level" way as well20:07
djszapithat class probably resolves all the relevant common dbus thingy.20:07
djszapi*sigh* c-obs is still master at producing no output for hours, days...20:17
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arceanit's just me or libmeegotouch-dev from harmattan sdk doesn't include MColorList?20:24
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djszapithat is correct here as well20:27
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djszapiN9Venemo, i do not get the away message of people either22:28
djszapiN9in my special case, it would be nice to know, if my friend is actually sleeping or not :p22:29
djszapiN9venemo most of the crash comes from the people list messagebox closing22:31
djszapiN9you could test it, to open that up, scroll in this, typing, closing by X, stuff like that22:32
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kkitois it possible to install nokia meego qt component into the qt creator simulator?22:59
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