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| TSCHAKeee | can SOMEBODY forward mail to qgil? ;) I got yet another request to buy my N950 | 00:14 |
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| TSCHAKeee | this is insane, i've never seen people chomping at a bit for a phone so badly | 00:14 |
| macmaN | lol, ive got a pm on the forum about buying the phone | 00:14 |
| macmaN | i told him hell yeah im gonna sell the phone for 100,000 EUR | 00:15 |
| macmaN | then i had to correct his spelling of "crasy" in the follow up | 00:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | some ppl are like, I'LL PAY $600 | 00:16 |
| macmaN | but haven't really heard anything about transferring the cash ever since | 00:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | gee, that's nice | 00:16 |
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| djszapi_ | : | 00:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee, his email address is public. | 00:29 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, I know... :P | 00:30 |
| * Sput will come to Munich | 00:30 | |
| Sput | as every year. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT USD600??? morons, idiots, and I'll top it up to pay the 500EURO penalty to Nokia, or what? | 00:33 |
| special | you'd be lucky to get away with just a 500eur penalty there | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet IF Nokia would sell it then it'd coste >>USD600 | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell even my N900 was more expensive than $600 | 00:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head about how successfull universe is at the task of creating better fools | 00:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | (the ever lasting race between programmers and universe, you know what I'm talking about) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably those that ask you to sell N950 for 600 bucks actually qualify for veritable betatesters and should ask Nokia to get a N950 for free ;-P | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you just have to offer them to send the device back in to get a spare, whenever *any* problem occurs | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they'll find them all, those bugs you never could've figured anybody ever could run into | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""I push but kbd no slide. I push harder and it crakd. GUESS WHAT!1!! they built kbd to wrong side of my device!"" | 00:45 |
| kimju | :D | 00:47 |
| artemm | Anybody tried 1.1.3 SDK already? | 00:53 |
| artemm | I thought it's supposed to include 4.7.4 for desktop, but I see only 4.7.3 :/ | 00:53 |
| macmaN | upgrade installed fine on linux, but choked on some error on os x | 00:53 |
| artemm | yep, I also got errors related to simulator installation | 00:54 |
| artemm | but hoped to still see Harmattan components on desktop | 00:54 |
| artemm | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-859 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: somebody calculated for us each N950 is worth ~USD 3.3mio, no? So how can you offer it for as little as 100k? ;-D | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.3M sounds high. | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 billion for developing harmattan / 300 units | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You could claim around a tenth of that for a sort-of-straight face, I guess. | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, probably there are more than just 300 | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | 1 billion? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 01:01 |
| rantom | Probably for spares | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | given harmattan bases on fremantle bases on diablo... | 01:02 |
| rantom | :) | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 billion doesn't sound too much | 01:02 |
| rantom | I'm rather glad it's not that easy to get | 01:02 |
| rantom | I just today checked the talk.maemo.org and dear god that level of... | 01:02 |
| rantom | Let's just say that I couldn't tolerate tmo using N950 | 01:03 |
| artemm | come on, most of 950 software (and HW too), will be reused. Ask for 1omln max, not 1 billion :) | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think that number comes from "how much in IP value is Nokia binning with maemo?" | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so yeah it probably really took 10^9 bucks worth of work to get to the point of building those particular phones | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It makes little sense to allocate all of it to that though. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | was just a pun | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe a few months of effort that went into harmattan adaption of devices with keyboards. | 01:07 |
| artemm | who knew the platforms were going to be "burning" :) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you could as well claim your Teflon(R) pan is worth ~ 7 billion | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | no real sense in those calculations, just a funny new POV | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | similar to "what's the value of a human body?" 1.83$ like some claim the water, calcium, carbon, phosphor etc is worth? several millions as there are extremely expensive hormones etc in a human body? - it's obviously a nonsensical equation, as it always leaves out important factors | 01:13 |
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| Sput | TSCHAKeee: now if only Nokia was as intent to selling the N950 as people are to buy it... | 01:45 |
| Sput | please insert correct grammar as needed :) | 01:45 |
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| npm | i just got an invite to qtinnovationchallenge.com but i DNS'd the site and it appears bogus | 03:54 |
| npm | i had a suspicion as i was filling in the site. decided to use a brand new password for it :-) | 03:55 |
| npm | then i whois'd | 03:55 |
| special | I was wondering the same thing | 03:56 |
| special | email headers are suspicious too. | 03:56 |
| special | Received: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([74.3.160.18]) by mail.brandora.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601); | 03:59 |
| special | sure sounds like a compromised mailserver | 03:59 |
| special | that's the server the site is hosted on as well | 04:00 |
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| berndhs | yes looks fake, especially considering the recent security issue there | 04:06 |
| Mek | but the person listed as administrative contact in the whois is at least somebody (that according to his website) works for nokia... | 04:06 |
| Mek | still weird, yes | 04:06 |
| special | the website's IP is allocated to shaw business solutions in canada, and rdns goes to brandora.net, which is unrelated | 04:07 |
| berndhs | email from nokia coming out of Calgary ? | 04:08 |
| npm | very weird mine dns's to Payton, Brandon bp@obnocktious.com | 04:09 |
| npm | from texas | 04:09 |
| npm | Obnocktious 1101 Wild Cherry Drive Carrollton, Texas 75010 | 04:10 |
| Mek | same company that made nokiadevday.com | 04:10 |
| Mek | so seems somewhat legit in that regard... | 04:10 |
| npm | i send mail to quim and texrat cuz i'm a paranoid mofo | 04:10 |
| special | nokia.com SMTP server reports "user unknown" for qtinnovationchallenge@nokia.com | 04:10 |
| Mek | (afaik nokiadevday.com is a real nokia website?) | 04:10 |
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| Mek | and same company/whois also has http://www.callingallinnovators.com/ | 04:11 |
| npm | hm | 04:11 |
| npm | well maybe my paranoia was excessive | 04:11 |
| special | everything i've seen points to it being bad | 04:11 |
| npm | but given the breakin at nokia dev, they ought to at least be using HTTPS etc | 04:12 |
| npm | that's when i realized something was fishy | 04:12 |
| berndhs | and of course, by now we're all disqualified since we didnt keep it secret :) | 04:12 |
| npm | seriously? | 04:12 |
| npm | no callingallinnovators is reg'd to nokia | 04:13 |
| npm | Nokia, Forum callingallinnovators@nokia.com | 04:14 |
| npm | i saw the ASPX on there and i figured it's old bug-eyes at work. err.. Balmer | 04:15 |
| * npm restarts browser and hopes i can find the stuff i need in history | 04:17 | |
| npm | why can't they pick on closed source programmers .... grrrr..... | 04:18 |
| berndhs | maybe they do :) | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, they hit the right people. | 04:21 |
| berndhs | found the headphone jack on my TV today | 04:21 |
| berndhs | only had it for 6 years | 04:21 |
| dasch | Hi guys, I'm still looking for info on libcontentaction, if anyone is around who knows about that – or they know who does. | 04:34 |
| berndhs | what kind of info ? | 04:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | god gobject sucks | 04:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | gobject sucks bucky balls through a quantum singularity | 04:43 |
| berndhs | sounds like quite an achievement | 04:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | #@(%#@(%#@%@*#^@#*^$@*^$#%^*$@%$#*@%$@%*$#%*#%#@* | 04:44 |
| berndhs | ah yes | 04:44 |
| berndhs | i'm not going near singularities, so i'll take your word for it :) | 04:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | now i know why people don't make their own objects in gobject | 04:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's a fucking mess. | 04:44 |
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| TSCHAKeee | non intuitive | 04:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | sideways | 04:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | pasta prone | 04:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | masochistic | 04:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | seriously, I want to take all the gtk devs, many of whom I know...and punch them in the cunt. | 04:46 |
| npm | vala? | 04:46 |
| berndhs | you're saying you don't like it ? | 04:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | npm: and yes, that's why all the new gobject stuff is done in vala | 04:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | npm: but i can't use it.. the code i am doing for work is pure C only. | 04:48 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: let me put it another way, gobject makes me want to rape babies. | 04:49 |
| berndhs | this all sound kinda negative :) | 04:51 |
| rm_you | http://qtinnovationchallenge.com <--- ??? | 04:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, i got one of those too | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | was like, really? | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | you want me to dev an app for a phone that won't be sold anywhere? | 04:54 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 04:54 |
| rm_you | yeah i thought maybe the "10,000" downloads thing was a plot | 04:55 |
| rm_you | *ploy | 04:55 |
| rm_you | since they won't sell 10,000 phones :P | 04:55 |
| rm_you | they never have to worry about paying! :P | 04:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | it seriously depresses me | 04:55 |
| berndhs | maybe i'll send email to elop, ask him if this is real | 04:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | send him a pic of my junk while you're at it. | 04:56 |
| rm_you | well, nokia did get hacked, right? | 04:57 |
| rm_you | so it's theoretically possible this is phishing somehow | 04:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | hah, maybe :/ | 04:57 |
| berndhs | i think that's likely | 04:57 |
| rm_you | if anyone has been living under a rock: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/08/nokia-developer-forum-hacked-and-defaced-in-antisec-attack.ars | 04:58 |
| special | rm_you: I'm firmly uncertain on it.. some things seem way too suspicious, but some of it seems legit | 04:58 |
| rm_you | well, yeah, since they GAVE US user/pass info | 04:58 |
| rm_you | not asking to use our forum account | 04:58 |
| special | the pass was random, and they ask you to change it right after you sign in | 04:58 |
| special | and then ask for all of your personal details | 04:58 |
| rm_you | hoping you put in your same pass? | 04:59 |
| special | *but* the brandora.net site that it's hosted with seems to be a company nokia has used before, for things like this even | 04:59 |
| rm_you | hilariously, if you had an encrypted password DB (they don't... but if they did) and emails, you could totally do something like this, and legitimately match their passwords :P:P:P | 04:59 |
| rm_you | and they would just think they successfully logged in | 04:59 |
| rm_you | that's actually lulztastic | 05:00 |
| rm_you | someone want to forward the email to Quim and ask him if it's real? | 05:00 |
| rm_you | i guess i could do it | 05:01 |
| rm_you | sent | 05:02 |
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| ieatlint | is this what finland is like? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inafbdgx9hQ&feature=player_embedded | 06:27 |
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| hiemanshu | rm_you: I saw the message saying 'Hacked by ______' or something, cant recall the exact thing | 06:48 |
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| dm8tbr | ieatlint: WTFBBQ! :D | 07:02 |
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| npm | rm_you: the only problem is that i've apparently disqualified myself (and you too) by talking about it. | 07:33 |
| npm | hopefully they'll have some kind of amnesty on that when they realize it looked spammy | 07:34 |
| special | I wouldn't take that too seriously. | 07:34 |
| special | it's IRC, and most of the people here probably got that email. | 07:35 |
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| npm | http://www.obnocktious.com, a brand-interactive, design studio that specializes in... Clients include Nokia, AMD, Michael & Susan Dell Foundation, Nokia Siements Networks and more. | 07:36 |
| npm | so i guess it's legit, but IMHO kinda stupidly done. i decided it was not legit because they weren't using https to gather info | 07:37 |
| npm | plus they could have been collecting and matching passwords by having people reenter their passwords | 07:37 |
| npm | that's actually the thing that made me thing it was suspicious... | 07:37 |
| npm | after all, why not just use the existijng nokia dev acct? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | there's no shame in reaching out to achipa or quim to ask if it's fake or not | 07:38 |
| npm | i reached out to quim , texrat and overreached by bothering jukka with it :-) | 07:39 |
| npm | (sorry!) | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | especially after the hack | 07:39 |
| npm | that's why i was suspicious. and then i dns'd it and was like Texas! that's not finland! | 07:40 |
| npm | :-) | 07:40 |
| special | texas isn't canada, either | 07:40 |
| special | which is the result I came up with | 07:40 |
| npm | and that was even weirder... as if they'd been doing some dns nasties too | 07:41 |
| npm | I wish serious companies would quit using GoDaddy ... that used to be the way to tell a legit company... they could afford Verisign's pricing. | 07:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:45 |
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| ieatlint | i have to say the app store for the n9/50 has been impressively filled with spam | 07:57 |
| ieatlint | like "Dating Tips", "Breast News" and "How to get that man back" | 07:57 |
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| dm8tbr | ieatlint: it's apps! apps! apps! - that's what they wanted, nobody asked for quality apps... | 08:07 |
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| Venemo | ~seen djszapi | 08:33 |
| infobot | djszapi <~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 14h 28m 27s ago, saying: 'use screen =p'. | 08:33 |
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| Venemo | ~seen qgil | 08:51 |
| infobot | qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 8d 14h 48m 49s ago, saying: 'djszapi: did you find a way to force a refresh or..?'. | 08:51 |
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| rZr | Venemo: i updated irc-c in shared repo and rebuilding it again | 09:21 |
| Venemo | rZr, okay :) | 09:22 |
| Venemo | rZr, we will make a new release of it soon | 09:22 |
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| rZr | Venemo: not sure i'll have time to build it , ping next week if u need me to | 09:30 |
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| Venemo | rZr, ok, sure | 09:46 |
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| djszapi | morning :) Venemo: I could not connect to anything with irc-chatter. Just got stuck while "Connecting...". | 10:24 |
| djszapi | The only change I did is to change the "default" username on that settings screen. I tried to do this operation from more places, but the same. Now, I am getting stuck each time. | 10:26 |
| Venemo | djszapi, that is not an issue with your username | 10:29 |
| djszapi | yep, I just wanted to clarify what only change I did. | 10:29 |
| Venemo | djszapi, username issue should display an [ERROR] blah-blah AFTER you've connected to the server | 10:29 |
| Venemo | djszapi, if you're stuck at "Connecting...", then it means that the server either doesn't respond or that your internet connection is borked. | 10:30 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I usually get the same effect if I try to connect while my N950 drops the connection | 10:30 |
| djszapi | internet works fine, I even use it from my laptop | 10:30 |
| djszapi | server is freenode, that is | 10:30 |
| djszapi | and it worked fine previously. The only change I did is the username | 10:31 |
| djszapi | and after that it stopped working | 10:31 |
| Venemo | how long do you let it do this connecting thing? | 10:31 |
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| djszapi | well, I tried it last night | 10:31 |
| djszapi | and it is still the same "Connecting.." screen | 10:31 |
| djszapi | so almost half a day | 10:32 |
| Venemo | mhm | 10:32 |
| Venemo | reboot your phone | 10:32 |
| Venemo | then try again. | 10:32 |
| djszapi | it is not windows phone :p | 10:32 |
| Venemo | but it helps. | 10:32 |
| Venemo | at least a reboot is a very nice remedy for a lot of things on my N950 | 10:32 |
| djszapi | if it helps, it is a bug in irc-chatter | 10:32 |
| djszapi | since the internet works just fine | 10:32 |
| Venemo | so, if you quit irc chatter and launch it again, and try to connect again, what happens? | 10:33 |
| djszapi | or at least bug in something that irc-chatter uses...or misusage of it and the like | 10:33 |
| djszapi | same | 10:33 |
| Venemo | well, it's a bug in QTcpSocket then... or whatever. | 10:33 |
| Venemo | please try the reboot. just for my curiosity. | 10:33 |
| djszapi | highly unlike | 10:34 |
| djszapi | since other applications are also using QTcpSocket. | 10:34 |
| Venemo | also, are you sure you didn't mess up the port settings or SSL settings or anything that might prevent a successful connection? | 10:34 |
| djszapi | no as said, I did not change anything to the default. | 10:34 |
| djszapi | username, real name, that is | 10:34 |
| RST38h | djszapi: checked your harmattan-dev.nokia.com repo yesterday. It does not let users access the dists/ directory. | 10:35 |
| RST38h | pool/ is available but not dists/, so there is no way to fetch the package list from it. | 10:35 |
| Venemo | djszapi, interesting bug, but I have no idea what may cause it | 10:35 |
| djszapi | yes, it looks very strange, indeed =) | 10:36 |
| Venemo | djszapi, do you get any interesting output if you try to launch it from a terminal? | 10:36 |
| djszapi | do you have a logging system so that I could provide you something more talkative ? | 10:36 |
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| Venemo | launch a terminal, and launch /usr/bin/irc-chatter -> try to connect, leave it in "Connecting..." for a few minutes. then see if you got any console output | 10:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 10:37 |
| djszapi | I tried, nothing special really. | 10:37 |
| djszapi | btw, same after reboot | 10:37 |
| djszapi | I think I am gonna try to reinstall the package... | 10:37 |
| djszapi | after a purge removal. | 10:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | no use | 10:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | try deleting the app's configuration | 10:38 |
| djszapi | reinstall is easier than figuring out that... | 10:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | nope | 10:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | reinstall does not delete the config | 10:38 |
| djszapi | you package it really wrong then | 10:39 |
| djszapi | purge removal /should/ make a purge removal | 10:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, this is a requirement in ovi store, so not wrong. | 10:39 |
| djszapi | I highly doubt that it is a requirement in OVI store. | 10:40 |
| djszapi | that is the design of the purge removal... | 10:40 |
| djszapi | actually I would not even let it go through the QA process without proper purge removal post maintainer script | 10:41 |
| Venemo | "Uninstallation is straightforward and is performed without errors. Uninstallation removes all files and installed data. If there is any user created data/files created with the content, it is not removed" | 10:41 |
| djszapi | this sentence does not mention the purge at all | 10:41 |
| Venemo | well anyway, it is not even really possible. | 10:41 |
| djszapi | this is a normal removal, so you are a bit mixing now up the things | 10:41 |
| djszapi | if it is not possible, your package is plain wrong | 10:42 |
| Venemo | the config is located in ~/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf (default for QSettings) which is owned by the 'user' user. | 10:42 |
| djszapi | I fail to see why it is not possible, I did things like that /many/ times. | 10:42 |
| Venemo | fairly simple. | 10:43 |
| Venemo | the config file is owned by 'user'. the package manager runs as 'root' => it won't have permissions to delete the file. | 10:44 |
| djszapi | ofc you can remove user directories from maintainer scripts | 10:44 |
| Venemo | if I even try to rm it as root, it fails. | 10:44 |
| djszapi | it is just the lack of your skill which says that | 10:44 |
| djszapi | I fail to see why it is not possible, I did things like that /many/ times. | 10:44 |
| Venemo | ok | 10:44 |
| Venemo | so 'root' user doesn't have permissions to delete it. | 10:44 |
| Venemo | how do I delete it then? | 10:44 |
| djszapi | request the proper credential ? | 10:44 |
| Venemo | ok, how do I request it? | 10:44 |
| djszapi | very simple | 10:45 |
| Venemo | I am very stupid, please tell me. | 10:45 |
| mece | tell me alsoQ | 10:45 |
| djszapi | I think the SDK actually even contains examples for this | 10:45 |
| Venemo | ok, where are those examples? | 10:45 |
| djszapi | <request context="INSTALL"> | 10:46 |
| djszapi | <credential name="UID::user"/> | 10:46 |
| djszapi | </request> | 10:46 |
| djszapi | here you go | 10:46 |
| Venemo | ok, and where do I put this XML? | 10:46 |
| djszapi | mmm, so still have zero understanding about aegis ? :) | 10:46 |
| djszapi | of course, you request credentials in the manifest file. | 10:46 |
| Venemo | well, I have no understanding of Aegis at all, since my apps are not related to security at all. | 10:47 |
| djszapi | yes, it is.... | 10:47 |
| djszapi | here is the very real example... | 10:47 |
| Venemo | well anyway.please delete ~/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf and then please tell me if it works then :) | 10:48 |
| djszapi | no, I do not really. | 10:48 |
| djszapi | fix your package first. | 10:48 |
| Venemo | I have no idea how to create a "manifest file"... in fact I have, but only on Windows :) | 10:48 |
| djszapi | then wait for someone sending a trivial patch.. | 10:49 |
| djszapi | give me your repository... | 10:49 |
| Venemo | http://bit.ly/ircchattercode | 10:49 |
| djszapi | https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter | 10:49 |
| djszapi | ok, well, I do not clone and things like that, just send a git formatted patch, ok ? | 10:49 |
| Venemo | ok with me | 10:49 |
| wazd | heya everyone | 10:49 |
| Venemo | morning wazd | 10:50 |
| djszapi | git clone https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter | 10:50 |
| djszapi | Cloning into irc-chatter... | 10:50 |
| djszapi | fatal: https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 10:50 |
| Venemo | no idea about that | 10:51 |
| Venemo | 'git clone git://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter.git' should work. | 10:51 |
| mece | gitorious http clone fails | 10:51 |
| djszapi | sorry, my fault... | 10:51 |
| mece | what Venemo said. | 10:51 |
| djszapi | no no git is not allowed here. | 10:51 |
| djszapi | I can only do http behind this proxy | 10:51 |
| mece | doh | 10:51 |
| mece | remove the s? | 10:51 |
| radiofree | you can do ssh fine behind the proxy djszapi | 10:52 |
| djszapi | radiofree: yes, with plus settings | 10:52 |
| mece | gitorious wont allow ssh unless you're allowed by owner iirc | 10:52 |
| djszapi | which is way much more work than needed ;) | 10:52 |
| Venemo | djszapi, you can download the source tree as tar.gz | 10:52 |
| Venemo | djszapi, http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/trees/master -> right side bar -> "Download master as tar.gz" | 10:53 |
| Venemo | then you can just send me a patch, and I'll apply it. | 10:53 |
| djszapi | Venemo: http://paste.xinu.at/P5HW0/ | 10:54 |
| djszapi | of course, you need to write the purge removal post install script as well | 10:54 |
| djszapi | I can do that, but tell me what files are "custom". | 10:55 |
| djszapi | I do not have the proper knowledge about irc-chatter to do that. | 10:55 |
| mece | djszapi, did you try this: git clone https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter.git | 10:55 |
| mece | it fails on error setting certificate verify locations: but that's a local issue for me. | 10:55 |
| Venemo | djszapi, well, no knowledge is needed. it stores all settings in QSettings, which in turn stores them in /home/user/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf | 10:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi, no other files are used. | 10:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi, is it enough to have this 'debian/irc-chatter.aegis' file, or do I need to specify it in the debian control file or anywhere else? | 10:56 |
| mece | damn this hdd is sloooow. Has taken 15 minutes to delete qtsdk folder, and it's still not done! Windows... | 10:57 |
| djszapi | Venemo: no need for anything else, but let me the purge removal maintainer script then | 10:57 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: your path should not contain Venemo, if you do not wanna advertise yourself. Hence, please fix that first up so that I do not need to change the post removal maintainer scrpt more times. | 10:59 |
| djszapi | script* | 10:59 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, as I said, it's up to QSettings... | 10:59 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/sFt/ | 11:00 |
| djszapi | well, so many application using QSettings without user names really :) | 11:00 |
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| djszapi | ehh I forget the rm part from the patch :) | 11:01 |
| djszapi | http://paste.xinu.at/iT9/ -> POC, so test it please. | 11:02 |
| djszapi | I think .config/irc-chatter/... | 11:02 |
| djszapi | so Venemo/irc-chatter is the best bet. | 11:02 |
| Venemo | ok | 11:03 |
| Venemo | I will test it this afternoon (currently I'm booted from Windows, so can't) | 11:04 |
| Venemo | but my lack of skill will prevent me to fix it if it's not working :( | 11:04 |
| djszapi | let me test it then :) | 11:04 |
| lcuk | djszapi, hi, you have been speaking with javispedro i believe | 11:06 |
| lcuk | do you happen to know the status of his sdl MT patches? | 11:06 |
| djszapi | Venemo: http://paste.kde.org/117319/ | 11:06 |
| djszapi | bad dependency management or ? | 11:06 |
| Venemo | what the hell? | 11:07 |
| Venemo | it worksforme and it works for rzr | 11:07 |
| Venemo | I _HATE_ packaging. | 11:07 |
| djszapi | well, two people are not the whole world, are they ? :p | 11:07 |
| Venemo | true | 11:07 |
| djszapi | I am fixing it up then as well along the way :) | 11:07 |
| Venemo | well, thank you | 11:07 |
| Venemo | I have no idea why it works for me, honestly. | 11:08 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, if you're done, please just send the .patch file(s) in e-mail (the address with which we mailed previously will be fine.) | 11:08 |
| djszapi | yeah sure, git send-email, no worry. I just dislike the gitorious workflow | 11:09 |
| djszapi | or well, I prefer cli for things :p | 11:09 |
| Venemo | no problem, you don't need to bother with gitorious :P | 11:09 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: I think it was the left-over of my last running out of the space while doing an upgrade ceremony | 11:15 |
| djszapi | restok.conf and other files got broken | 11:15 |
| djszapi | after reinstalling the declarative, it is ok'ish | 11:15 |
| Venemo | djszapi, so it works now? | 11:16 |
| djszapi | chmod: /usr/bin/irc-chatter: Operation not permitted | 11:17 |
| djszapi | you have other issues as well... | 11:17 |
| Venemo | heh? | 11:18 |
| djszapi | your post install script does not have the credentials, let me fix it up | 11:18 |
| djszapi | btw, I do not like use "postinst" | 11:18 |
| djszapi | I like being explicit since it is easier and less error-prone to make future extensions. | 11:18 |
| djszapi | using* | 11:18 |
| Venemo | djszapi, well, to my knowledge, I don't have a postinstall script | 11:18 |
| Venemo | djszapi, please do it the way you see fit | 11:19 |
| djszapi | yes, you have :p | 11:19 |
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| Venemo | ahhh, the chmodding script, yes. | 11:19 |
| djszapi | https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/trees/master/debian | 11:19 |
| Venemo | I'm interested in learning how to do things the right way, so I would appreciate if you helped :) | 11:19 |
| djszapi | why do you set the executable bit for a binary ? | 11:21 |
| djszapi | seems plain wrong | 11:21 |
| Venemo | to allow it to be executed? | 11:21 |
| djszapi | noooo :) | 11:21 |
| Venemo | if I don't do it, the binary won't run | 11:21 |
| djszapi | just imagine that if we would need to do it for each binary in each package. | 11:22 |
| Venemo | so it's unneeded? | 11:22 |
| djszapi | yes, of course. | 11:22 |
| djszapi | but let me test it, maybe some black magic I am not aware of. | 11:23 |
| Venemo | hmm, I think it's some old practice that I added as a workaround for something | 11:23 |
| djszapi | I tested my patches, works as expected. | 11:23 |
| djszapi | work* | 11:23 |
| Venemo | long ago (about a year ago), MADDE had a bug on Windows that it didn't set the executable bit for the binaries of any packages | 11:24 |
| Venemo | and this was the recommended workaround | 11:24 |
| Venemo | not sure if MADDE still has the bug or not. | 11:24 |
| djszapi | to be honest, I would not use such a tool... | 11:24 |
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| Venemo | djszapi, at the time I was a Windows user and on Windows, it was (and still is) the only tool that made development possible. | 11:25 |
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| Venemo | nowadays I tend to use Linux for development | 11:26 |
| djszapi | I would work on a patch to them than a workaround, but that is just me | 11:26 |
| djszapi | anyway, after the purge removal (including config file deletion), I still have the connection issue :( | 11:26 |
| Venemo | very weird. | 11:27 |
| djszapi | qrc:/qml/harmattan/ChatPage.qml:269: TypeError: Result of expression 'ircModel.currentChannel' [null] is not an object. | 11:27 |
| Venemo | yeah, that's notabug | 11:28 |
| Venemo | it becomes not-null after connecting | 11:28 |
| djszapi | Venemo: does this patch hurt on the old software ? http://paste.xinu.at/ABC/ | 11:33 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I think it won't | 11:34 |
| Venemo | but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with your connection issue. | 11:35 |
| djszapi | nobody it has :) | 11:36 |
| djszapi | it is a different issue. | 11:36 |
| Venemo | I see | 11:36 |
| Venemo | djszapi, out of curiousity, did this bug occour after you've updated your software, or it just occoured out of the blue? | 11:37 |
| djszapi | I have not modified any software | 11:38 |
| Venemo | mhm | 11:38 |
| Venemo | does the error occour only on your N9 or your N950 too? | 11:38 |
| djszapi | I have not used N950 for a quite while. | 11:39 |
| djszapi | no motivation for such an old software... | 11:39 |
| Venemo | hahaha | 11:39 |
| djszapi | anyway, patches sent. | 11:39 |
| Venemo | well, I've been using it for quite a while, and I use irc chatter basically every day | 11:39 |
| Venemo | only issue I've found is that the N950 drops the connections quite often | 11:40 |
| Venemo | djszapi, thanks for the patches :) | 11:41 |
| djszapi | do not apply yet, I need to re-send | 11:41 |
| RST38h | Venemo: you have been complaining about it just yesterday =) | 11:41 |
| Venemo | djszapi, I'll only have the time to review and apply them tomorrow or the day after tomorrow... :( but I promise you to get around to do it this weekend. | 11:42 |
| Venemo | RST38h, I've been complaining about it every day. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | Venemo: apply when you have time, no hurry. | 11:44 |
| Venemo | I have a lot of administration and other stuff to do at the university, plus I need to care about the new renters of my grandmother's flat | 11:45 |
| wazd | Oh.My.God | 11:46 |
| wazd | I've found "Troll research station" in Antarctica :D | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 11:46 |
| djszapi | hehe, I got approved for the Qt Developer Days as in support :) | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got an ultra-exclusive invite to Qt developer contest | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 11:47 |
| mece | hahahhaa | 11:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: Nice! Any live specimens? | 11:47 |
| mece | me too. Damn, I thought it was JUST ME, that would have been ultra exclusive :D | 11:47 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: you're supposed not to share this info! | 11:47 |
| djszapi | Venemo: I need to send an 5th patch, too, hold on | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: not THAT info! ;-P | 11:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, but there's a weather station :) | 11:48 |
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| wazd | http://www.yr.no/place/Antarctica/Other/Troll/ | 11:49 |
| wazd | ЖВ | 11:49 |
| wazd | fck, :D | 11:49 |
| sroedal | chilly | 11:50 |
| sroedal | the convex hull of Norway's territory is pretty big :) | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2011-09-02 04:28:4454441 spamassassin: URL_in_body: mail contains URL: http://qtinnovationchallenge.com/ spam+2 | 11:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: This is where MicroNokia will ship remaining Trolltech people! | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: Hehe. | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Not spam though. | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | scam, maybe | 11:51 |
| mece | hehehe | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Neither | 11:52 |
| maxw | Registrant: | 11:52 |
| maxw | Obnocktious | 11:52 |
| maxw | 1101 Wild Cherry Drive | 11:52 |
| maxw | Carrollton, Texas 75010 | 11:52 |
| maxw | United States | 11:52 |
| Venemo | RST38h, how do you know it's not spam? | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: simple, spamassassin's threshold is like 5, this mail got to 4.x only | 11:54 |
| maxw | hrm Obnocktious is some kind of branding company, so it's possible it is authentic.. | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: and obviously I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise :-D | 11:55 |
| RST38h | It is most likely authentic | 11:55 |
| Venemo | hehe | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Whether it is realistic of useful to any of us is a whole different matter though... | 11:56 |
| mece | I assumed it was legit. But who knows. | 11:56 |
| djszapi | I wonder why it would be on a separate page, and not Nokia. | 11:57 |
| RST38h | to avoid redtape? | 11:58 |
| djszapi | I think Nokia could even prosecute them because of the logo and others, if it is a spam | 11:58 |
| wazd | large Qt logo is poorly resized - it's a spam | 11:58 |
| maxw | like I said, it is done by some branding company...Obnocktious...checkout 'whois' for the domain and then look up the owner | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn new botnet anyway, a new high tide of spam arived some few days ago, and it seems it's here to stay | 11:59 |
| wazd | it's registered with godaddy, no info | 11:59 |
| maxw | it's registered *though* godaddy | 12:00 |
| maxw | bu Obnocktious | 12:00 |
| maxw | ^bu^by | 12:00 |
| wazd | provided password is not working anyway :P | 12:00 |
| maxw | that's what 'whois qtinnovationchallenge.com' returns for me anyway | 12:00 |
| RST38h | thRough you mean? | 12:01 |
| maxw | right...sorry | 12:01 |
| maxw | Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. | 12:01 |
| RST38h | http://www.myspace.com/1059152 | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | why exactly did I vivit that myface crap? | 12:04 |
| djszapi | lcuk: I am not aware of SDL. I think that is not feasible for proper games :p | 12:05 |
| djszapi | I mean in my taste for sure and personal preference. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Doc: This is [apparently] the guy who has registered qtinnovationchallenge! =) | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | he doesn't look that smart to build such a specialized page | 12:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: CCCP jacket makes sense :) | 12:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | someone send a message to qgil and ask if it's legit or not | 12:09 |
| wazd | I can bet it's not | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Received: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([74.3.160.18]) by mail.brandora.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601); | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | this more and more loks like real spam | 12:12 |
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| RST38h | Non-authoritative answer: | 12:13 |
| RST38h | 18.160.3.74.in-addr.arpa name = brandora.net | 12:13 |
| RST38h | Notice how similar the site looks to the previous branding site | 12:14 |
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| djszapi | I have just asked the people on the internal mailing list about this scam, let us see... | 12:14 |
| RST38h | looks legit to me, albeit not very well thought out | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: my last 4 digits of "password": mo1v | 12:16 |
| wazd | X1r3 | 12:17 |
| RST38h | NHJP | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so at least it's not always the same | 12:17 |
| wazd | the only thing I can't understand in this spam is sense :) | 12:17 |
| wazd | what was the point | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, IF you'd get accepted, would you refuse to send your account details to receive the award ? | 12:18 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: there's no instant award, you have to reach 10k downloads :) | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | on which counter? | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and are you asked to disclose your account details before or after you won? | 12:20 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: the page does nothing | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, epic fail | 12:20 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: I'm even curious to press "Forgot password" | 12:20 |
| wazd | just for the sake of science :) | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, there been that Nokia account hacking lately :-P | 12:21 |
| RST38h | Will never reach 10k downloads, so it is safe | 12:21 |
| arfoll | email looks too nice for spam. anyways previous nokia mails have all weird headers | 12:23 |
| wazd | seriously, blurry Qt logo = spam | 12:24 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:25 |
| wazd | and the overall look is kinda shitty | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | what makes me frown is: >>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<< | 12:26 |
| wazd | lardman: what a surprise we were talking bout you :D | 12:26 |
| lardman | anything happened over the past few days while I've been in hospital/like the walking dead | 12:26 |
| lardman | hmm, that makes me worry wazd | 12:26 |
| * lardman looks for some logs to see what abuse he was receiving ;) | 12:26 | |
| wazd | lardman: ah, jusk kidding, wb :) | 12:26 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 12:26 |
| arfoll | wazd: but if it was spam it would accept any and all email/passwd | 12:26 |
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| arfoll | also for spam its remarkably conservative in reward | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | could lure some unalert devels into using their developer.nokia.com credentials ;-P | 12:27 |
| lardman | qtinnovationchallenge ? | 12:27 |
| wazd | Wait! I got it! | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 12:27 |
| wazd | It does exactly the thing it was supposed to do! | 12:28 |
| wazd | It distracts us from developing! :D | 12:28 |
| lardman | in my current sleep deprived state I was saved from doing anything because I can barely focus | 12:28 |
| lardman | It does looks remarkably good that site though | 12:29 |
| lardman | is this related to the recent breakin to the dev site I received an email about? | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | they stole email addr, now they're skimming valid credentials | 12:30 |
| lardman | do we have a newer firmware yet by chance? | 12:30 |
| lardman | email addresses and names | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<< | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | guys, ask DDP@ or achipa or quim | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: eww.. | 12:31 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's the boring way :) | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: plus wazd says the password they sent in that mail doesn't work to log in there | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | so scam? | 12:32 |
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| djszapi | MacLaverty Ronan answered: "This is for real, it is a chance to win some money. Sorry about the confusion." | 12:32 |
| wazd | lool | 12:32 |
| mece | djszapi, who is that? | 12:32 |
| djszapi | the person who gave out the N950 phones in Helsinki | 12:33 |
| mece | k. | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 12:33 |
| wazd | is his e-mail safe? :P | 12:33 |
| djszapi | and took the whole Harmattan presentation at that MeeGo MeetUp. | 12:33 |
| wazd | like, not compromised? :) | 12:33 |
| mece | heh | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why does the user-mailaddr/pw credential not work to login? | 12:33 |
| mece | general fuckup | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and why the FSCK is that mail "from: qtinnovationchallenge@nokia.com" but header says Received: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([74.3.160.18]) by mail.brandora.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601); Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:28:54 -0500 | 12:35 |
| * mece puts on his ackbar mask "It's a TRAP!" | 12:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm more and more convinced it is | 12:36 |
| lardman | I've just emailed Quim to ask | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I don't believe in coincidence | 12:37 |
| djszapi | The domain is registered by Obnocktious, a company located in Texas | 12:37 |
| mece | what coincidence? | 12:37 |
| djszapi | Seems that they have had some business with Nokia already. Or so they claim at least: http://www.obnocktious.com/index.asp?ID=3&PicID=62&category=interactive&imagetitle=Nokia+CI+Presentation&menu=work&show=yes | 12:38 |
| mece | Obnocktious? Sounds like a binch of douchebags | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | this coincidence: >>Important information from the Nokia Developer website team: http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ<< | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>We are not aware of any misuse of the accessed data, but we have identified that your email address was in one of the records accessed, though it contained none of the optional information, so we believe that the only potential impact to you may be unsolicited email.<< | 12:40 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: password is an easy question, it works with my internal | 12:40 |
| djszapi | as they write, not everybody is invited. | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: eh?? | 12:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer enters "an easy question" to that suspicious website's "password: " field | 12:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: you're aware of MITM attacks? | 12:43 |
| djszapi | no, sorry I meant that I have been told, but I do not dare to put my pass there :) | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The password the above site posted is not simply related to any password I currently use. | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'S the point | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and according to wazd it doesn't work | 12:44 |
| djszapi | yeah, but they rather clearly write it is invite only, so obviously nokia developer account does not work since anybody can register... | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and >>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<< suggestes you *might* use your developer.nokia.com account's credentials | 12:45 |
| djszapi | no, it is exactly the opposite. | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: you're what? Security expert? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, if *I* had stolen the 5 billion developer.nokia.com user email addr, I'd have set up exactly such a page, and wait who's confirming their email addr by trying to log in, and who's really funny and tries his developer.nokia.com password when the one shipped in the mail doesn't work | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Doc: You are too smart | 12:47 |
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| arfoll | DocScrutinizer: but the one in the email does work | 12:48 |
| wazd | meanwhile: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/09/02/intel-to-temporarily-discontinue-meego-os-development-meego-r-i-p/ | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the page isn't https | 12:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: not news | 12:49 |
| djszapi | wazd: yep, I am happy about that | 12:49 |
| khertan | Morning | 12:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh :( | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: rumour | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | also, wtf is 'temporarily distcontinue' | 12:49 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, that's strange :) | 12:50 |
| khertan | an other microsoft fud attack ? | 12:50 |
| mece | regarding intel: "The company did say it remains committed to MeeGo and will continue to work with the community to develop" | 12:52 |
| RST38h | The piece about Intel buying Maemo pieces from Nokia is funny | 12:53 |
| djszapi | Can someone tell me the title of this Nokia email containing the password, please ? | 12:53 |
| mece | twitterers seem to have missed that bit tho. | 12:53 |
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| djszapi | I have too many mails about N in my inbox :p | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: Private Invitation: Qt Innovation Challenge by Nokia | 12:53 |
| hiemanshu | ugh, stupid QtSDK updater removed the harmattan target :( | 12:53 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil, mm, I have not got such an email | 12:54 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: even I got that | 12:54 |
| mece | hiemanshu, 1.1.3 needs fresh install due to some bug | 12:54 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: and so did Venemo | 12:54 |
| mece | djszapi, you're not worthy! | 12:54 |
| hiemanshu | mece: ah, installing it now, it should have atleast informed me about it | 12:54 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: when did you get it ? | 12:54 |
| Summeli | hiemanshu: it did that to me too, but it installed it after that | 12:54 |
| djszapi | mece: heh :) | 12:54 |
| mece | hiemanshu, yeah it was annoying. I had some many qt installations that it was all a big mess so I removed everything qt and installed from scratch. Went smoothly :) | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Delivery-date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:29:35 +0100 | 12:56 |
| wazd | achipa in da house | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so anybody achieved to log in with the mailaddr/pw combo of that mail? | 12:56 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: do you know anything who is invited ? | 12:57 |
| RST38h | yes | 12:57 |
| khertan | arg ... need to download sdk 1.1.3 ... updater crash and crash again ... and broke qtcreator | 12:57 |
| khertan | grrr | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: Me. | 12:57 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: I am about the invitation policy. | 12:57 |
| djszapi | * I mean | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's a set containing me, hiemanshu, DocScrutinizer, and others. Other than that, no, as it wasn't me that broke into nokias servers. | 12:58 |
| hiemanshu | mece: I had a single thing, so I just made a few chances and done :) | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: all who got their developer.nokia.com email addr hijacked as of http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ | 12:58 |
| hiemanshu | changes* | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Among the developers who have been invited to compete in this | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | challenge, the first 20 who successfully develop and publish a Qt-based | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | app to Nokia's Store, and then achieve 10,000 downloads from users in | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | at least three different countries, will receive $10,000 (USD). It's | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | that easy. | 12:59 |
| djszapi | SpeedEvil: wait wait, it is not clear to me what you are saying | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (from the webpage) | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't Qt deprecated? | 12:59 |
| djszapi | I was referring to that what the decision base to send invitation. | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought the theming was rather broken, and diddn't work. | 13:00 |
| djszapi | no it is actually better than ever. | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds odd as well, not really high enough for a true Nokia challenge | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Top dev gets 50k | 13:00 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: Qt is -*not*- deprecated in any way | 13:00 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: I got that mail, but that is not an invitation mail. | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: all who got their developer.nokia.com email addr hijacked as of http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ | 13:00 |
| achipa | unless you mean QWidgets :) | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | achipa: thanks | 13:01 |
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| arfoll | it's all a nokia plan, as compensation for the theft they will give all devs an ultra secure windows phone | 13:01 |
| RST38h | ...without the display | 13:01 |
| RST38h | for more security | 13:01 |
| arfoll | i was thinking more with a hidden bluetooth signal to brick any n950/n9 around | 13:02 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: Venemo was in that set too | 13:02 |
| mece | achipa, thanks! | 13:03 |
| hiemanshu | the website seems to be registered by http://obnocktious.com/ | 13:03 |
| hiemanshu | and the mail came through mail.brandora.net | 13:04 |
| hiemanshu | which is owned by the same company | 13:04 |
| mece | well it's a marketing company.. | 13:05 |
| khertan | and seems to have works on with nokia in the past | 13:06 |
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| achipa | seems it's legit, though certainly not run by Nokia Developer | 13:07 |
| achipa | might be the Qt guys | 13:07 |
| khertan | but the website look like fishing one | 13:07 |
| achipa | yeah... let me ask around | 13:08 |
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| djszapi | achipa: there was already a thread about it internally. | 13:09 |
| mece | I twittered qtbynokia Dunno if they check mentions. | 13:09 |
| djszapi | Ronan already confirmed it. | 13:09 |
| mece | ah | 13:09 |
| mece | so it's nokia? | 13:09 |
| djszapi | mece: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-02.log.html#t2011-09-02T12:32:41 | 13:10 |
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| mece | djszapi, yeah, something confused me anyway :D | 13:11 |
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| achipa | grrr, esc-to-close-channel is an evil default | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, forwarded that crap to abuseATnokia.com, Nokia.developer-discussions-supportATnokia.com, told them what a shite this is, no matter if legit ot not | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually IF it'slegit and Nokia managed to let it look like fishing, it's even worse | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | kudos Nokia, then | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | either way I'm not interested in a reward of USD1/download | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only for the first 3 | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | if I sell for 0.99 az OVI store I'll get the same reward unconditionally | 13:16 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, ? | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: ?? | 13:17 |
| achipa | I guess the point is it's easier to get 10K *free* downloads than *paid* ones | 13:17 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, if you sell for 0.99 10 times you get an extra 10k :) | 13:17 |
| mece | achipa, indeed. | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would I care? | 13:17 |
| djszapi | I agree about this with DocScrutinizer, I do not care about the reward either. | 13:18 |
| djszapi | as for me, it would be just a slightly better motivation, but not about the money and downloads. Just a good motivation for further rapid progresses in the project. :) | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, if that's legit, then it's legit kidding | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | "hey dude, this is TOP SEKRIT! you are one of the very few VIP ones that may win USD10.000" BWAHAHAHA | 13:20 |
| mece | hehehe | 13:20 |
| khertan | :) | 13:20 |
| mece | it's a bit awkward I agree. | 13:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to improve spam assassin to get rid of such nuissance | 13:22 | |
| djszapi | "I can assure you that the competition is legit, and it is currently being run by Markets/Developer Marketing using an external agency. It is focused on the developers who have received a N950 already and are already developing applications for the N9. It provides them an additional chance to benefit from their work with a simple metric - downloads from Ovi Store." | 13:22 |
| djszapi | "I have contacted the competition organizer (Daniel Hill) about this issue. If you have any questions you can contact me, and I will try to answer them.". | 13:22 |
| djszapi | by Ronan | 13:22 |
| khertan | didn't know him | 13:23 |
| khertan | :) | 13:23 |
| djszapi | well, Ronan is one of the top managers, people... | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell them to remove me from that mailing list, pretty please! | 13:23 |
| khertan | oups | 13:23 |
| khertan | :) | 13:23 |
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| djszapi | see his linkedin | 13:23 |
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| djszapi | http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=5534903&authType=name&authToken=t_NP&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore | 13:24 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: no, I do not deal with that, just with the matter in general. | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems he already got the trollop virus, or what? | 13:24 |
| khertan | trollop ? | 13:25 |
| joejoe | hi everybody, since update of qt, the qt creator shows me message "error running remote process:" without any further description of error | 13:36 |
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| djszapi | heh, in a dictionary application code: class Class { ... | 14:20 |
| RST38h | does it compile? | 14:20 |
| djszapi | well, they have cross-platform releases, so I guess | 14:20 |
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| djszapi | They also use "class Libs". I also used MyClass sometimes for testing, but "class Class {..." is hefty enough. | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Cannot use "Class" in C++. Reserved keyword, even with a capital C | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Hence all these Klasses and klasses all around | 14:25 |
| djszapi | I do not think it is reserved. | 14:27 |
| djszapi | https://github.com/goldendict/goldendict/blob/master/file.hh#L28 | 14:27 |
| djszapi | https://github.com/goldendict/goldendict/blob/master/dictionary.cc#L114 | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Try compiling class Class { Class() {} }; with GCC | 14:30 |
| djszapi | echo "int main() { class Class { Class(); ~Class(); }; return 0; }" > main.cpp && g++ main.cpp | 14:30 |
| djszapi | works fine | 14:30 |
| djszapi | gcc is not a C++ compiler. | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Hmmm... | 14:30 |
| RST38h | yeah, compiled | 14:30 |
| djszapi | of course. | 14:31 |
| RST38h | gcc also compiles it, in fact g++/gcc difference is mostly in linking afaik | 14:31 |
| djszapi | not really | 14:31 |
| RST38h | But it did not compile "Class" here. I think it was either MSVC or Watcom | 14:31 |
| djszapi | for gcc, you need to have to link it with the relevant so | 14:31 |
| djszapi | but that is hackish imo | 14:32 |
| RST38h | as I said, differences in linking | 14:32 |
| RST38h | So, was that Qt compo thingie legitimate? =) | 14:32 |
| djszapi | Class would make sense in cases like "Category", or a school program, but surely better to use some synonym, if possible. | 14:33 |
| RST38h | Will the good guy Brandon get a visit from the Nokia Legal or from the feds? | 14:33 |
| mece | RST38h, is legit apparently. | 14:34 |
| RST38h | Nokia Legal it is then | 14:35 |
| mece | Who's brandon? | 14:37 |
| RST38h | mece: Guy behind the PR company that sent out email and registered the site | 14:38 |
| mece | ok, and why is he getting visit from nok legal? | 14:38 |
| * mece is slow today | 14:38 | |
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| alterego | I'd really like Harmattan if it had a 4th home screen which scrolled vertically populated by widgets .. | 14:40 |
| mece | alterego YES! | 14:41 |
| RST38h | mece: not using Nokia site for this campaign, apparently not keeping management informed, etc | 14:42 |
| mece | ah | 14:42 |
| RST38h | mece: basically, making it look like a fishing expedition | 14:42 |
| alterego | If only the home screen thing was customisable some how. | 14:43 |
| RST38h | it is, just not by us | 14:43 |
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| alterego | It'd be good if each of those views was a plugin, defined in a .ini or .xml file. | 14:43 |
| RST38h | but there should be an API for adding notifications to it | 14:43 |
| alterego | There is for notifications. | 14:44 |
| alterego | But I want to be able to add/hack the current home displays :P | 14:44 |
| alterego | I may investigate this, this weekend | 14:45 |
| mece | alterego, please report your findings :) | 14:46 |
| RST38h | alterego: would also be interested | 14:51 |
| * khertan well be interested about how many time you pass flashing the device due to aegis :) | 14:52 | |
| djszapi | aegis has nothing to do with flashing. | 14:54 |
| khertan | indirectly yes : hack view -> aegis blocking device -> flashing device needed | 14:55 |
| mece | djszapi, he means that device stops working and need reflash due to aegis not fine with hack | 14:55 |
| khertan | thx mece | 14:56 |
| khertan | :) | 14:56 |
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| rcg | well.. put that way.. aegis has a hell of a lot to do with flashing :) | 14:58 |
| khertan | :) | 14:58 |
| djszapi | mece: irrelevant really. Do not brick your system, and you have no issue | 14:58 |
| djszapi | same on Ubuntu or everywhere else really. If I mess up my system, I just reinstalled in the path. | 14:58 |
| djszapi | past* | 14:58 |
| khertan | djszapi: but you didn't mess up your ubuntu system by editing config file correctly | 15:01 |
| djszapi | I do not think you mess up the system if you edit any config correctly. | 15:01 |
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| khertan | you no, but if it s a file protected by aegis, it ll do it for you :) | 15:02 |
| djszapi | no, aegis will not do things like that for you if you edit the config files properly. | 15:03 |
| djszapi | please stop speculating. | 15:03 |
| khertan | i do not speculating ... | 15:03 |
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| khertan | lol | 15:03 |
| khertan | anyway i didn't say that aegis isn't a good thing | 15:04 |
| RST38h | depends on who it is good for | 15:06 |
| * RST38h knows of at least two such groups | 15:06 | |
| mece | aegis is not a good thing | 15:06 |
| khertan | it s a good things, but implementation isn't perfect | 15:06 |
| khertan | but having something protecting data isn't a bad things | 15:07 |
| RST38h | protecting data against whom? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | I do not want my data protected from myself. | 15:09 |
| mece | what RST38h said. | 15:09 |
| alterego | If I brick it, and I can't fix it with aegis, then it's failed. | 15:09 |
| khertan | it s a solution to protect data and device from user installing malware from unsecure location | 15:09 |
| alterego | You should be able to revert a change. | 15:10 |
| alterego | But we can't do that, so it fails as a "normal" linux system, as there's no recovery option. | 15:10 |
| khertan | (14:09:24) alterego: If I brick it, and I can't fix it with aegis, then it's failed. < i agree | 15:10 |
| RST38h | khertan: why not disable any installation whatsoever then? | 15:10 |
| Hq` | if you think about so-called "normal users" then aegis is good, but obviously it's bad for the developers/more linux-minded users | 15:10 |
| RST38h | So-called "normal users" do not give a flying fuck | 15:11 |
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| djszapi | another aegis failure :) http://www.mda.mil/news/11news0016.html | 15:11 |
| RST38h | They do not know what Aegis is and are very unlikely to get into situation where it becomes useful for them | 15:11 |
| Hq` | that's right, and that's why the system needs to do some fuck-giving for them :) | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Not really | 15:11 |
| RST38h | There are preciously few situations where Aegis will be helpful | 15:12 |
| RST38h | These situations can be resolved without Aegis too. Simply by warning the user rather than locking him out | 15:12 |
| djszapi | hahahahaha | 15:12 |
| djszapi | made my day, thanks! :) | 15:12 |
| RST38h | You are welcome. | 15:13 |
| RST38h | BTW, that is what Symbian does. | 15:13 |
| djszapi | aegis "does not lock" out, misusage does. | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Aegis does lock out. | 15:14 |
| djszapi | yeah, sure all the Harmattan developers locked out themselves and some golden fish made the project xD | 15:15 |
| RST38h | As in "prevents usage of the device by its intended user" | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Dear djszapi! You know better than me that "all harmattan developers" at Nokia run with Aegis disabled. | 15:15 |
| djszapi | what ? All the people I know use them actually. | 15:16 |
| radiofree | and harmattan developers have aegis-su | 15:16 |
| djszapi | you mean "platform" developers. | 15:16 |
| djszapi | and, no we do not use aegis-su, here nope. | 15:17 |
| radiofree | djszapi: speak for yourself | 15:18 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 15:18 |
| radiofree | I don't think i would have done any on device testing if i had to piss about with aegis credentials every time i wanted to run something | 15:18 |
| radiofree | *but*, aegis is absolutely essential on the consumer devices | 15:19 |
| radiofree | certainly for tracker write access | 15:19 |
| djszapi | would make zero sense to use aegis-su for final image since it is not available in the production image anyways. For local quick hack, it is fine, but you need to do it decently anyways. We do not indeed use here in this environment. So it is fairly untrue "all harmattan developers at Nokia run with Aegis disabled.". Also, aegis-su is not about disabling aegis anyways | 15:19 |
| mece | radiofree, why? | 15:19 |
| radiofree | for developers it's a pain in the ass | 15:20 |
| khertan | djszapi: :) | 15:20 |
| djszapi | quiet frankly, I have no idea what you are talking about. | 15:20 |
| djszapi | quite* | 15:20 |
| djszapi | I made quite a few applications, and I had zero issues. | 15:20 |
| radiofree | i'm not talking about applications | 15:20 |
| djszapi | also, platforms, libraries. | 15:21 |
| radiofree | i'm talking about compiling a simple test case with gcc, scp it over to the device, run it | 15:21 |
| djszapi | for me it is about 5 secs with one alias ? | 15:21 |
| khertan | djszapi: yep, aegis didn't block developper, and i think is a good things | 15:21 |
| mece | radiofree, why is it essential that consumers is prevented from doing that? | 15:21 |
| radiofree | for me it is about 0.1 second with aegis-su | 15:21 |
| mece | s/s is/s are/ | 15:22 |
| infobot | mece meant: radiofree, why is it essential that consumers are prevented from doing that? | 15:22 |
| khertan | djszapi: when you say "For local quick hack, it is fine, but you need to do it decently anyways.", what did you mean ? what s the decent way ? | 15:22 |
| * RST38h smiles watching two Nokians flame each other. Priceless. | 15:22 | |
| djszapi | khertan: doing things how it is supposed to work on the production image. | 15:22 |
| mece | lol | 15:22 |
| radiofree | apps need to have permission if are going to write (read delete) from tracker, that seems sensible | 15:22 |
| radiofree | i'm not sure about any of the other uses | 15:22 |
| khertan | mece: it s essential that consumer didn't try to execute everything they found on the web, and say after that, than harmattan is unsecure | 15:23 |
| khertan | djszapi: which mean ? | 15:23 |
| djszapi | khertan: aegis-su is not available on public images. | 15:23 |
| RST38h | The most amusing thing about Aegis is that root is unable to kill user processes with 'kill' =) | 15:23 |
| mece | khertan, consumers should be allowed to fuck up their stuff if they want | 15:23 |
| khertan | djszapi: how did you edit a protected config file for example ? | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Other "implementation details" are also pretty tasty. | 15:24 |
| djszapi | khertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file. | 15:24 |
| khertan | RST38h: it s funny that root isn't a true root ... but what, it s not essential that root have all full power if you can do it in an other way | 15:25 |
| khertan | djszapi: is there a simple way to know if a file is protected ? | 15:25 |
| khertan | (i ve do it twice ... and reflashing device isn't funny) | 15:25 |
| djszapi | khertan could you please talk clearly ? | 15:26 |
| djszapi | Do not take it offense, but I have no idea what you are talking about. | 15:26 |
| khertan | djszapi: hum ... didn't see any offense :) | 15:26 |
| djszapi | how could something cause reflashing if you cannot even edit it ? | 15:26 |
| mece | (3:24:52 PM) djszapi: khertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file. -> (3:25:40 PM) khertan: djszapi: is there a simple way to know if a file is protected ? | 15:26 |
| khertan | djszapi: you can edit it ... | 15:26 |
| djszapi | khertan: no, you cannot edit an integrity protected file. | 15:27 |
| mece | djszapi, could you name an integrity protected file? | 15:27 |
| radiofree | djszapi: I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he wants to know if there's a way to tell if aegis is protecting it | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Actually, you CAN edit it, and then Aegis bricks your system after reboot. | 15:27 |
| khertan | djszapi: i mean you can edit it with vi ... | 15:27 |
| mece | thanks RST38h. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Another handy Aegis' feature | 15:28 |
| khertan | djszapi: and then you get a warning from aegis | 15:28 |
| * RST38h wonders if there are any PlatSec people still left at Nokia | 15:28 | |
| khertan | RST38h: thx for saying what i want to say clearly :) | 15:28 |
| djszapi | I cannot believe it | 15:28 |
| khertan | ? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | not our problem | 15:28 |
| djszapi | I told how we designed and implemented. How it is done, and everybody says the oppposite | 15:28 |
| djszapi | ok, please ask someone else then... | 15:28 |
| RST38h | nobody asked you either | 15:29 |
| khertan | ? | 15:29 |
| djszapi | 15:24 < khertan> djszapi: how did you edit a protected config file for example ? | 15:29 |
| djszapi | 15:24 < djszapi> khertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file. | 15:29 |
| RST38h | You edit it with vi | 15:29 |
| djszapi | you CANNOT | 15:29 |
| RST38h | Looks like you can. | 15:29 |
| djszapi | ok you can, sure... | 15:29 |
| khertan | djszapi: but i edit it with vi, i ve do it twice ... i m sure | 15:29 |
| RST38h | khertan: Could you find that tmo thread for this gentleman? | 15:30 |
| djszapi | you have not got the faintest idea what integrity protection means. | 15:30 |
| khertan | djszapi: maybe :) | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: >>but what, it s not essential that root have all full power if you can do it in an other way<< is nonsense, as if *you* can do it in "another way" (which btw needs you learning about that other way, which is a PITA) then any malware as well can do it that "other way" - so WTF is the purpose of depriving devels from their tools they are used to and urge them to do it some odd "other way"? | 15:30 |
| RST38h | khertan: He is saying he has Aegis enabled on his device, maybe we can make him recreate the problem! =) | 15:30 |
| khertan | RST38h: sorry but tmo isn't a reference | 15:30 |
| RST38h | khertan: whatever tmo is, it had a thread with all the data | 15:31 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer: indeed | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Doc: Have you got the URL of that epic aegis bricking thread? | 15:31 |
| khertan | RST38h: ok i ll look :) | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Doc: djszapi here believes it is impossible, as this is not how Aegis "is designed" | 15:32 |
| khertan | anyway is there a command or a tool listing file protected by aegis ? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: actually nope, got none, sorry | 15:32 |
| khertan | it s could be an aegis but on beta firmware we have ? | 15:32 |
| khertan | s/but/bug | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: nope | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (no such tool) | 15:33 |
| djszapi | khertan: tool for returnings 2-3 strings ? No, indeed not. Documentation is the place to go. | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what I got is http://dz015.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-or-python-security-fw-and-harmattan/ | 15:34 |
| djszapi | returning* | 15:34 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: never got any answer in that thread, so I cannot take that seriously. | 15:35 |
| khertan | djszapi: indeed ... it s text file | 15:35 |
| khertan | djszapi: thx | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: please stop that nonsense, there's ls -l and stat but no aegis-stat | 15:35 |
| djszapi | I fail to see why we should make a tool whcih would return the SAME in 99% | 15:36 |
| djszapi | and 1% when it is protected. Simply documentation material. | 15:36 |
| djszapi | it would just make the output bloated and the system more complicated completely unneccesarily without any gain | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can try to grep the aegis config file, but it's not all that clear what's the format and semantics if that file's content, so I stopped on trying to code sth for this purpose | 15:37 |
| djszapi | actually, it is fairly simple, it is just a simple whitelist in the kernel.... | 15:37 |
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| djszapi | fail to see how it could actually even be hard to get by reading the code. But for surely, it should be documented by the SDK team. | 15:37 |
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| wazd | back | 15:40 |
| wazd | so, what's the verdict? :) | 15:40 |
| mece | wazd, on what? | 15:40 |
| wazd | mece: on super-exclusive developement invitation :) | 15:41 |
| mece | wazd, it's legit | 15:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: legit | 15:42 |
| tomma_ | it is? | 15:43 |
| RST38h | djszapi: See? You successfully trolled Doc into leaving with your nonsence. | 15:43 |
| hiemanshu | /home/hiemanshu/QtSDK/Madde/toolchains/arm-2009q3-67-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/arm-2009q3-67/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: Scrt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory | 15:46 |
| hiemanshu | damned error again :( | 15:46 |
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| khertan | hiemanshu: i'm resinstalling sdk again from scratch too :) | 15:47 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: only way to fix it? | 15:47 |
| khertan | hiemanshu: update from .2 to .3 ? | 15:47 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 15:47 |
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| khertan | hiemanshu: faster way for me, scratch, download, coffee, install | 15:48 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: ah, my downloads are really slow, so I'll have to leave it over-night :( | 15:48 |
| khertan | there is maybe a way to fix it, but the time to fix it and try will be probably longer than download time | 15:48 |
| khertan | hiemanshu: download is slow too :) i do python code during this time :) | 15:49 |
| * khertan should really study qtcreator plugin devel to try to integrate python | 15:49 | |
| hiemanshu | khertan: my downloads are only 200kbps | 15:49 |
| tomma_ | its annoying that you cant uncheck qtcreator from sdk install | 15:49 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: Kate + Python is fun! | 15:50 |
| khertan | hiemanshu: if i found how to fix the ugly look of kate under my debian desktop ... maybe | 15:51 |
| khertan | :) | 15:51 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: maybe if you just fix debian | 15:52 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 15:52 |
| hiemanshu | or s/debian/fedora/ | 15:52 |
| khertan | tomma_: qtsdk is a bunch of plugin ... see qtcreator as the core plugin manager :) | 15:52 |
| khertan | hiemanshu: the things is to fix qt look ... i ven't any theme on it :) | 15:52 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: or s/debian/fedora/ | 15:53 |
| khertan | the other way is to use KhtEditor on desktop pc | 15:53 |
| khertan | but it s lack qml completion | 15:53 |
| khertan | :) | 15:53 |
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| djszapi | RST38h: sorry, I wanted to ignore you more times, it is now done. | 15:55 |
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| djszapi | fiferboy o/ | 16:05 |
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| khertan | vi /var/lib/aegis/domains | 16:23 |
| khertan | ^ :) | 16:23 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer51: http://paste.kde.org/117403/ -> This is trivially from the code. | 16:27 |
| djszapi | took one grep command really :) | 16:27 |
| djszapi | so these seem to be integrity protected for /now/, but more to common, like /var/lib/aegis for sure. | 16:28 |
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| ajalkane | Doesn't seem like whole lot of stuff. What's everyone complaining about :-? | 18:08 |
| hiemanshu | the same. aegis. | 18:08 |
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| ajalkane | Good old aegis. I'm actually looking forward to the day I get my chance in the ring with aegis. Been doing so boring stuff that aegis hasn't bothered me. | 18:10 |
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| javispedro | hello aegis | 18:37 |
| javispedro | er... hello #harmattan ;) | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | javispedro, aegis forgave me but still wouldn't grant my request :( | 18:39 |
| javispedro | that means you have not prayed enough, my son | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | Tell me how to repent! | 18:40 |
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| javispedro | standard fare: $0.99 per sin ;P | 18:42 |
| javispedro | alternatively, 8 reflashes | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | I didn't have to reflash, but it didn't give me back my VKB | 18:43 |
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| rm_work | fiferboy: you managed to get rid of the VKB?!? HOW | 19:11 |
| rm_work | i want that thing to die in a fire | 19:11 |
| rm_work | it keeps popping up all over the place and being annoying | 19:11 |
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| fiferboy | rm_work, I built my own version and aegis won't let me run it :) | 19:19 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: use javispedro's hack to disable aegis? :P | 19:20 |
| fiferboy | I forgot how to do that | 19:21 |
| javispedro | if the vkb is loaded during boot, and I think it is, you'll have to do lizardo's instead. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | (or put mine earlier in boot...) | 19:21 |
| fiferboy | I can load it after, but aegis kills it for me | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | Yours would work, but I would have to run it once a boot | 19:24 |
| rm_work | javispedro: you managed to kill aegis somehow? :P | 19:24 |
| rm_work | fiferboy: give me your broken VKBD so i can install it :P | 19:25 |
| rm_work | or else make me a "disable VKBD" package | 19:25 |
| javispedro | rm_work: let's say I abused develsh to disable aegis | 19:25 |
| rm_work | javispedro: lol, you'll have to tell me how to do that | 19:27 |
| rm_work | bbl lunch | 19:28 |
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| jkt | so I've just upgraded to the qtcreator 2.3, which apparently offers a way to remote-debug a QML app on N950 | 19:56 |
| jkt | how do I do that, though? It says "QDeclarativeDebugServer: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:10001,block". Remote debugger plugin has not been found." | 19:57 |
| jkt | and that's after I run `mkdir /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/qmltooling` | 19:57 |
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| ajalkane | jkt: maybe you have to install a newer firmware ;) | 19:59 |
| jkt | ajalkane: I haven't seen any announcement about the N950 firmware | 20:01 |
| dm8tbr | I'm pretty sure plenty of people _in_ nokia have newer firmware :) | 20:02 |
| jkt | well, good for them. I'm not from Nokia, and I'd love to use QtCreator's features for this. | 20:05 |
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| djszapi | hello fiferboy | 22:16 |
| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 22:21 |
| djszapi | fiferboy could you manage your aegis question ? | 22:22 |
| fiferboy | Yes, but I am starting to think it won't help me | 22:22 |
| djszapi | let me know if I can help. | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | I built and compiled my own version of a system package and installed it fine | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | But it runs a service and I _think_ aegis is killing it | 22:23 |
| djszapi | oh? | 22:23 |
| fiferboy | Yes, the meego-im-uiserver for the VKB | 22:24 |
| djszapi | why do you think it is aegis related ? | 22:25 |
| fiferboy | Well that was my impression at first since it would start and then die a few seconds later | 22:26 |
| fiferboy | But I have since come to realize it could be dbus | 22:27 |
| djszapi | well, it still sounds a bit unlocalized issue. | 22:28 |
| rm_work | still frustrating that i *can't* easily kill the vkbd, but you did it by accident :P | 22:28 |
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| fiferboy | rm_work, some of us just live right ;) | 22:36 |
| djszapi | hehe | 22:36 |
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| evilJazz | Anybody working on common file save and open dialogs in QML? I hate to use the standard unthemed Qt dialogs and I am about to start working on implementing some generic dialogs in QML with a bit of C++ salt. | 22:57 |
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| M4rtinK | a proper file dialog would be nice | 23:05 |
| antman8969 | well | 23:09 |
| antman8969 | you have all the tools to make one in QML already | 23:09 |
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| antman8969 | all you need to do is make a component to display the info | 23:09 |
| antman8969 | I use one in one of my apps on git, scenic | 23:09 |
| antman8969 | only like a dozen lines of code | 23:10 |
| evilJazz | it is not the implementation that is the problem. I just don't want to duplicate efforts. And perhaps someone has the same problem and we can team up to create one dialog that everyone can use instead of everybody brewing their own version. | 23:11 |
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| antman8969 | the only thing you would end up distributing is a file delegate to show in a ListView | 23:12 |
| antman8969 | but if that's the case, then it's not very hard | 23:13 |
| antman8969 | honestly, you should just get a designer to draw something up and then anyone can put it into QML | 23:13 |
| antman8969 | then show it off and i'm sure ppl will use it | 23:13 |
| wazd | evening all | 23:22 |
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| rm_you | lol, quim confirmed that Qt Innovation Challenge by Nokia is real | 23:29 |
| rm_you | and i assume everyone who has an n950 got it | 23:29 |
| wazd | rm_you: cool :0 | 23:30 |
| wazd | rm_you: now let's wait for it to work :P | 23:30 |
| rm_you | not sure wtf i'd do tho | 23:30 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 23:31 |
| rm_you | who is Bogdan Marian | 23:31 |
| rm_you | someone from here? | 23:31 |
| rm_you | ah nm | 23:31 |
| rm_you | What about Alok Ranjan | 23:32 |
| rm_you | or Jitendra Kumar Nayak | 23:32 |
| rm_you | or Nitesh Dev | 23:33 |
| wazd | rm_you: maybe you can summon some higher demon if you'll read all the names correctly :P | 23:33 |
| wazd | rm_you: RST38h for example :D | 23:33 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:33 |
| rm_you | trying to figure out who all these people adding me on Google+ are | 23:34 |
| rm_you | most of them are Indian | 23:34 |
| rm_you | and the only people we have in common are Qole and Texrat | 23:34 |
| rm_you | so i thought maybe they were people here and i just weren't connecting nicknames | 23:34 |
| wazd | rm_you: I've deleted muself from + right after google's request to use my real name or they will ban me | 23:35 |
| berndhs | if you pronounce the names wrong, you're in deep trouble :) | 23:35 |
| RST38h | rm_you: these people are indians. | 23:35 |
| wazd | rm_you: see! I told you! :D | 23:35 |
| RST38h | rm_you: they are adding me too. probably adding everybody. | 23:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: check email =) | 23:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: sorry for disturbing you your highness :P | 23:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: mm? =) | 23:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have noticed that the menu is screwed up,sorry :) | 23:36 |
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| RST38h | integrating new artwork | 23:36 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ah, np | 23:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: wait a sec I'll redraw all the stuff | 23:38 |
| RST38h | ALL of it? B)~ | 23:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, not quite :P | 23:39 |
| wazd | hmm, there are some serious issues with opening the source file, wait a bit more please :P | 23:46 |
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| wazd | RST38h: done, check your inbox | 23:55 |
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