IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-09-02

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TSCHAKeeecan SOMEBODY forward mail to qgil? ;) I got yet another request to buy my N95000:14
TSCHAKeeethis is insane, i've never seen people chomping at a bit for a phone so badly00:14
macmaNlol, ive got a pm on the forum about buying the phone00:14
macmaNi told him hell yeah im gonna sell the phone for 100,000 EUR00:15
macmaNthen i had to correct his spelling of "crasy" in the follow up00:15
TSCHAKeeesome ppl are like, I'LL PAY $60000:16
macmaNbut haven't really heard anything about transferring the cash ever since00:16
TSCHAKeeegee, that's nice00:16
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GeneralAntillesTSCHAKeee, his email address is public.00:29
TSCHAKeeeyeah, I know... :P00:30
* Sput will come to Munich00:30
Sputas every year.00:30
DocScrutinizerWUT USD600??? morons, idiots, and I'll top it up to pay the 500EURO penalty to Nokia, or what?00:33
specialyou'd be lucky to get away with just a 500eur penalty there00:33
DocScrutinizerI bet IF Nokia would sell it then it'd coste >>USD60000:34
DocScrutinizerhell even my N900 was more expensive than $60000:35
* DocScrutinizer shakes head about how successfull universe is at the task of creating better fools00:36
DocScrutinizer(the ever lasting race between programmers and universe, you know what I'm talking about)00:39
DocScrutinizerprobably those that ask you to sell N950 for 600 bucks actually qualify for veritable betatesters and should ask Nokia to get a N950 for free ;-P00:40
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DocScrutinizeryou just have to offer them to send the device back in to get a spare, whenever *any* problem occurs00:41
DocScrutinizeryou bet they'll find them all, those bugs you never could've figured anybody ever could run into00:42
DocScrutinizer""I push but kbd no slide. I push harder and it crakd. GUESS WHAT!1!! they built kbd to wrong side of my device!""00:45
artemmAnybody tried 1.1.3 SDK already?00:53
artemmI thought it's supposed to include 4.7.4 for desktop, but I see only 4.7.3 :/00:53
macmaNupgrade installed fine on linux, but choked on some error on os x00:53
artemmyep, I also got errors related to simulator installation00:54
artemmbut hoped to still see Harmattan components on desktop00:54
DocScrutinizermacmaN: somebody calculated for us each N950 is worth ~USD 3.3mio, no? So how can you offer it for as little as 100k? ;-D00:58
SpeedEvil3.3M sounds high.01:00
DocScrutinizer1 billion for developing harmattan / 300 units01:00
SpeedEvilYou could claim around a tenth of that for a sort-of-straight face, I guess.01:00
DocScrutinizersure, probably there are more than just 30001:01
SpeedEvil1 billion?01:01
rantomProbably for spares01:01
DocScrutinizergiven harmattan bases on fremantle bases on diablo...01:02
DocScrutinizer1 billion doesn't sound too much01:02
rantomI'm rather glad it's not that easy to get01:02
rantomI just today checked the and dear god that level of...01:02
rantomLet's just say that I couldn't tolerate tmo using N95001:03
artemmcome on, most of 950 software (and HW too), will be reused. Ask for 1omln max, not 1 billion :)01:03
DocScrutinizerI think that number comes from "how much in IP value is Nokia binning with maemo?"01:05
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DocScrutinizerso yeah it probably really took 10^9 bucks worth of work to get to the point of building those particular phones01:07
SpeedEvilIt makes little sense to allocate all of it to that though.01:07
DocScrutinizerwas just a pun01:07
SpeedEvilMaybe a few months of effort that went into harmattan adaption of devices with keyboards.01:07
artemmwho knew the platforms were going to be "burning" :)01:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you could as well claim your Teflon(R) pan is worth ~ 7 billion01:09
DocScrutinizerno real sense in those calculations, just a funny new POV01:10
DocScrutinizersimilar to "what's the value of a human body?" 1.83$ like some claim the water, calcium, carbon, phosphor etc is worth? several millions as there are extremely expensive hormones etc in a human body? - it's obviously a nonsensical equation, as it always leaves out important factors01:13
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SputTSCHAKeee: now if only Nokia was as intent to selling the N950 as people are to buy it...01:45
Sputplease insert correct grammar as needed :)01:45
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npmi just got an invite to but i DNS'd the site and it appears bogus03:54
npmi had a suspicion as i was filling in the site. decided to use a brand new password for it :-)03:55
npmthen i whois'd03:55
specialI was wondering the same thing03:56
specialemail headers are suspicious too.03:56
specialReceived: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([]) by with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601);03:59
specialsure sounds like a compromised mailserver03:59
specialthat's the server the site is hosted on as well04:00
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berndhsyes looks fake, especially considering the recent security issue there04:06
Mekbut the person listed as administrative contact in the whois is at least somebody (that according to his website) works for nokia...04:06
Mekstill weird, yes04:06
specialthe website's IP is allocated to shaw business solutions in canada, and rdns goes to, which is unrelated04:07
berndhsemail from nokia coming out of Calgary ?04:08
npmvery weird mine dns's to       Payton, Brandon  bp@obnocktious.com04:09
npmfrom texas04:09
npm   Obnocktious    1101 Wild Cherry Drive    Carrollton, Texas 7501004:10
Meksame company that made nokiadevday.com04:10
Mekso seems somewhat legit in that regard...04:10
npmi send mail to quim and texrat cuz i'm a paranoid mofo04:10 SMTP server reports "user unknown" for qtinnovationchallenge@nokia.com04:10
Mek(afaik is a real nokia website?)04:10
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Mekand same company/whois also has
npmwell maybe my paranoia was excessive04:11
specialeverything i've seen points to it being bad04:11
npmbut given the breakin at nokia dev, they ought to at least be using HTTPS etc04:12
npmthat's when i realized something was fishy04:12
berndhsand of course, by now we're all disqualified since we didnt keep it secret :)04:12
npmno callingallinnovators is reg'd to nokia04:13
npm      Nokia, Forum  callingallinnovators@nokia.com04:14
npmi saw the ASPX on there and i figured it's old bug-eyes at work. err.. Balmer04:15
* npm restarts browser and hopes i can find the stuff i need in history04:17
npmwhy can't they pick on closed source programmers .... grrrr.....04:18
berndhsmaybe they do :)04:19
GeneralAntillesWell, they hit the right people.04:21
berndhsfound the headphone jack on my TV today04:21
berndhsonly had it for 6 years04:21
daschHi guys, I'm still looking for info on libcontentaction, if anyone is around who knows about that – or they know who does.04:34
berndhswhat kind of info ?04:36
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TSCHAKeeegod gobject sucks04:43
TSCHAKeeegobject sucks bucky balls through a quantum singularity04:43
berndhssounds like quite an achievement04:44
berndhsah yes04:44
berndhsi'm not going near singularities, so i'll take your word for it :)04:44
TSCHAKeeenow i know why people don't make their own objects in gobject04:44
TSCHAKeeeit's a fucking mess.04:44
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TSCHAKeeenon intuitive04:45
TSCHAKeeepasta prone04:45
TSCHAKeeeseriously, I want to take all the gtk devs, many of whom I know...and punch them in the cunt.04:46
berndhsyou're saying you don't like it ?04:46
TSCHAKeeenpm: and yes, that's why all the new gobject stuff is done in vala04:48
TSCHAKeeenpm: but i can't use it.. the code i am doing for work is pure C only.04:48
TSCHAKeeeberndhs: let me put it another way, gobject makes me want to rape babies.04:49
berndhsthis all sound kinda negative :)04:51
rm_you <--- ???04:53
TSCHAKeeeyeah, i got one of those too04:54
TSCHAKeeewas like, really?04:54
TSCHAKeeeyou want me to dev an app for a phone that won't be sold anywhere?04:54
rm_youyeah i thought maybe the "10,000" downloads thing was a plot04:55
rm_yousince they won't sell 10,000 phones :P04:55
rm_youthey never have to worry about paying! :P04:55
TSCHAKeeeit seriously depresses me04:55
berndhsmaybe i'll send email to elop, ask him if this is real04:55
TSCHAKeeesend him a pic of my junk while you're at it.04:56
rm_youwell, nokia did get hacked, right?04:57
rm_youso it's theoretically possible this is phishing somehow04:57
TSCHAKeeehah, maybe :/04:57
berndhsi think that's likely04:57
rm_youif anyone has been living under a rock:
specialrm_you: I'm firmly uncertain on it.. some things seem way too suspicious, but some of it seems legit04:58
rm_youwell, yeah, since they GAVE US user/pass info04:58
rm_younot asking to use our forum account04:58
specialthe pass was random, and they ask you to change it right after you sign in04:58
specialand then ask for all of your personal details04:58
rm_youhoping you put in your same pass?04:59
special*but* the site that it's hosted with seems to be a company nokia has used before, for things like this even04:59
rm_youhilariously, if you had an encrypted password DB (they don't... but if they did) and emails, you could totally do something like this, and legitimately match their passwords :P:P:P04:59
rm_youand they would just think they successfully logged in04:59
rm_youthat's actually lulztastic05:00
rm_yousomeone want to forward the email to Quim and ask him if it's real?05:00
rm_youi guess i could do it05:01
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ieatlintis this what finland is like?
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hiemanshurm_you: I saw the message saying 'Hacked by ______' or something, cant recall the exact thing06:48
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dm8tbrieatlint: WTFBBQ! :D07:02
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npmrm_you: the only problem is that i've apparently disqualified myself (and you too) by talking about it.07:33
npmhopefully they'll have some kind of amnesty on that when they realize it looked spammy07:34
specialI wouldn't take that too seriously.07:34
specialit's IRC, and most of the people here probably got that email.07:35
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npm, a brand-interactive, design studio that specializes in... Clients include Nokia, AMD, Michael & Susan Dell Foundation, Nokia Siements Networks and more.07:36
npmso i guess it's legit, but IMHO kinda stupidly done. i decided it was not legit because they weren't using https to gather info07:37
npmplus they could have been collecting and matching passwords by having people reenter their passwords07:37
npmthat's actually the thing that made me thing it was suspicious...07:37
npmafter all, why not just use the existijng nokia dev acct?07:38
Stskeepsthere's no shame in reaching out to achipa or quim to ask if it's fake or not07:38
npmi reached out to quim , texrat and  overreached by bothering jukka with it :-)07:39
Stskeepsespecially after the hack07:39
npmthat's why i was suspicious. and then i dns'd it and was like Texas! that's not finland!07:40
specialtexas isn't canada, either07:40
specialwhich is the result I came up with07:40
npmand that was even weirder... as if they'd been doing some dns nasties too07:41
npmI wish serious companies would quit using GoDaddy ... that used to be the way to tell a legit company... they could afford Verisign's pricing.07:43
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ieatlinti have to say the app store for the n9/50 has been impressively filled with spam07:57
ieatlintlike "Dating Tips",  "Breast News" and "How to get that man back"07:57
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dm8tbrieatlint: it's apps! apps! apps! - that's what they wanted, nobody asked for quality apps...08:07
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Venemo~seen djszapi08:33
infobotdjszapi <~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 14h 28m 27s ago, saying: 'use screen =p'.08:33
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Venemo~seen qgil08:51
infobotqgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 8d 14h 48m 49s ago, saying: 'djszapi: did you find a way to force a refresh or..?'.08:51
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rZrVenemo: i updated irc-c  in shared repo and rebuilding it again09:21
VenemorZr, okay :)09:22
VenemorZr, we will make a new release of it soon09:22
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rZrVenemo: not sure i'll have time to build it , ping next week if u need me to09:30
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VenemorZr, ok, sure09:46
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djszapimorning :) Venemo: I could not connect to anything with irc-chatter. Just got stuck while "Connecting...".10:24
djszapiThe only change I did is to change the "default" username on that settings screen. I tried to do this operation from more places, but the same. Now, I am getting stuck each time.10:26
Venemodjszapi, that is not an issue with your username10:29
djszapiyep, I just wanted to clarify what only change I did.10:29
Venemodjszapi, username issue should display an [ERROR] blah-blah AFTER you've connected to the server10:29
Venemodjszapi, if you're stuck at "Connecting...", then it means that the server either doesn't respond or that your internet connection is borked.10:30
Venemodjszapi, I usually get the same effect if I try to connect while my N950 drops the connection10:30
djszapiinternet works fine, I even use it from my laptop10:30
djszapiserver is freenode, that is10:30
djszapiand it worked fine previously. The only change I did is the username10:31
djszapiand after that it stopped working10:31
Venemohow long do you let it do this connecting thing?10:31
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djszapiwell, I tried it last night10:31
djszapiand it is still the same "Connecting.." screen10:31
djszapiso almost half a day10:32
Venemoreboot your phone10:32
Venemothen try again.10:32
djszapiit is not windows phone :p10:32
Venemobut it helps.10:32
Venemoat least a reboot is a very nice remedy for a lot of things on my N95010:32
djszapiif it helps, it is a bug in irc-chatter10:32
djszapisince the internet works just fine10:32
Venemoso, if you quit irc chatter and launch it again, and try to connect again, what happens?10:33
djszapior at least bug in something that irc-chatter uses...or misusage of it and the like10:33
Venemowell, it's a bug in QTcpSocket then... or whatever.10:33
Venemoplease try the reboot. just for my curiosity.10:33
djszapihighly unlike10:34
djszapisince other applications are also using QTcpSocket.10:34
Venemoalso, are you sure you didn't mess up the port settings or SSL settings or anything that might prevent a successful connection?10:34
djszapino as said, I did not change anything to the default.10:34
djszapiusername, real name, that is10:34
RST38hdjszapi: checked your repo yesterday. It does not let users access the dists/ directory.10:35
RST38hpool/ is available but not dists/, so there is no way to fetch the package list from it.10:35
Venemodjszapi, interesting bug, but I have no idea what may cause it10:35
djszapiyes, it looks very strange, indeed =)10:36
Venemodjszapi, do you get any interesting output if you try to launch it from a terminal?10:36
djszapido you have a logging system so that I could provide you something more talkative ?10:36
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Venemolaunch a terminal, and launch /usr/bin/irc-chatter -> try to connect, leave it in "Connecting..." for a few minutes. then see if you got any console output10:37
djszapiI tried, nothing special really.10:37
djszapibtw, same after reboot10:37
djszapiI think I am gonna try to reinstall the package...10:37
djszapiafter a purge removal.10:37
Venemo_N950no use10:37
Venemo_N950try deleting the app's configuration10:38
djszapireinstall is easier than figuring out that...10:38
Venemo_N950reinstall does not delete the config10:38
djszapiyou package it really wrong then10:39
djszapipurge removal /should/ make a purge removal10:39
Venemo_N950well, this is a requirement in ovi store, so not wrong.10:39
djszapiI highly doubt that it is a requirement in OVI store.10:40
djszapithat is the design of the purge removal...10:40
djszapiactually I would not even let it go through the QA process without proper purge removal post maintainer script10:41
Venemo"Uninstallation is straightforward and is performed without errors. Uninstallation removes all files and installed data. If there is any user created data/files created with the content, it is not removed"10:41
djszapithis sentence does not mention the purge at all10:41
Venemowell anyway, it is not even really possible.10:41
djszapithis is a normal removal, so you are a bit mixing now up the things10:41
djszapiif it is not possible, your package is plain wrong10:42
Venemothe config is located in ~/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf (default for QSettings) which is owned by the 'user' user.10:42
djszapiI fail to see why it is not possible, I did things like that /many/ times.10:42
Venemofairly simple.10:43
Venemothe config file is owned by 'user'. the package manager runs as 'root' => it won't have permissions to delete the file.10:44
djszapiofc you can remove user directories from maintainer scripts10:44
Venemoif I even try to rm it as root, it fails.10:44
djszapiit is just the lack of your skill which says that10:44
djszapiI fail to see why it is not possible, I did things like that /many/ times.10:44
Venemoso 'root' user doesn't have permissions to delete it.10:44
Venemohow do I delete it then?10:44
djszapirequest the proper credential ?10:44
Venemook, how do I request it?10:44
djszapivery simple10:45
VenemoI am very stupid, please tell me.10:45
mecetell me alsoQ10:45
djszapiI think the SDK actually even contains examples for this10:45
Venemook, where are those examples?10:45
djszapi  <request context="INSTALL">10:46
djszapi    <credential name="UID::user"/>10:46
djszapi  </request>10:46
djszapihere you go10:46
Venemook, and where do I put this XML?10:46
djszapimmm, so still have zero understanding about aegis ? :)10:46
djszapiof course, you request credentials in the manifest file.10:46
Venemowell, I have no understanding of Aegis at all, since my apps are not related to security at all.10:47
djszapiyes, it is....10:47
djszapihere is the very real example...10:47
Venemowell anyway.please delete ~/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf and then please tell me if it works then :)10:48
djszapino, I do not really.10:48
djszapifix your package first.10:48
VenemoI have no idea how to create a "manifest file"... in fact I have, but only on Windows :)10:48
djszapithen wait for someone sending a trivial patch..10:49
djszapigive me your repository...10:49
djszapiok, well, I do not clone and things like that, just send a git formatted patch, ok ?10:49
Venemook with me10:49
wazdheya everyone10:49
Venemomorning wazd10:50
djszapigit clone
djszapiCloning into irc-chatter...10:50
djszapifatal: not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?10:50
Venemono idea about that10:51
Venemo'git clone git://' should work.10:51
mecegitorious http clone fails10:51
djszapisorry, my fault...10:51
mecewhat Venemo said.10:51
djszapino no git is not allowed here.10:51
djszapiI can only do http behind this proxy10:51
meceremove the s?10:51
radiofreeyou can do ssh fine behind the proxy djszapi10:52
djszapiradiofree: yes, with plus settings10:52
mecegitorious wont allow ssh unless you're allowed by owner iirc10:52
djszapiwhich is way much more work than needed ;)10:52
Venemodjszapi, you can download the source tree as tar.gz10:52
Venemodjszapi, -> right side bar -> "Download master as tar.gz"10:53
Venemothen you can just send me a patch, and I'll apply it.10:53
djszapiof course, you need to write the purge removal post install script as well10:54
djszapiI can do that, but tell me what files are "custom".10:55
djszapiI do not have the proper knowledge about irc-chatter to do that.10:55
mecedjszapi, did you try this: git clone
meceit fails on error setting certificate verify locations: but that's a local issue for me.10:55
Venemodjszapi, well, no knowledge is needed. it stores all settings in QSettings, which in turn stores them in /home/user/.config/Venemo/irc-chatter.conf10:56
Venemodjszapi, no other files are used.10:56
Venemodjszapi, is it enough to have this 'debian/irc-chatter.aegis' file, or do I need to specify it in the debian control file or anywhere else?10:56
mecedamn this hdd is sloooow. Has taken 15 minutes to delete qtsdk folder, and it's still not done! Windows...10:57
djszapiVenemo: no need for anything else, but let me the purge removal maintainer script then10:57
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djszapiVenemo: your path should not contain Venemo, if you do not wanna advertise yourself. Hence, please fix that first up so that I do not need to change the post removal maintainer scrpt more times.10:59
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Venemodjszapi, as I said, it's up to QSettings...10:59
djszapiwell, so many application using QSettings without user names really :)11:00
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djszapiehh I forget the rm part from the patch :)11:01
djszapi -> POC, so test it please.11:02
djszapiI think .config/irc-chatter/...11:02
djszapiso Venemo/irc-chatter is the best bet.11:02
VenemoI will test it this afternoon (currently I'm booted from Windows, so can't)11:04
Venemobut my lack of skill will prevent me to fix it if it's not working :(11:04
djszapilet me test it then :)11:04
lcukdjszapi, hi, you have been speaking with javispedro i believe11:06
lcukdo you happen to know the status of his sdl MT patches?11:06
djszapibad dependency management or ?11:06
Venemowhat the hell?11:07
Venemoit worksforme and it works for rzr11:07
VenemoI _HATE_ packaging.11:07
djszapiwell, two people are not the whole world, are they ? :p11:07
djszapiI am fixing it up then as well along the way :)11:07
Venemowell, thank you11:07
VenemoI have no idea why it works for me, honestly.11:08
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Venemodjszapi, if you're done, please just send the .patch file(s) in e-mail (the address with which we mailed previously will be fine.)11:08
djszapiyeah sure, git send-email, no worry. I just dislike the gitorious workflow11:09
djszapior well, I prefer cli for things :p11:09
Venemono problem, you don't need to bother with gitorious :P11:09
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djszapiVenemo: I think it was the left-over of my last running out of the space while doing an upgrade ceremony11:15
djszapirestok.conf and other files got broken11:15
djszapiafter reinstalling the declarative, it is ok'ish11:15
Venemodjszapi, so it works now?11:16
djszapichmod: /usr/bin/irc-chatter: Operation not permitted11:17
djszapiyou have other issues as well...11:17
djszapiyour post install script does not have the credentials, let me fix it up11:18
djszapibtw, I do not like use "postinst"11:18
djszapiI like being explicit since it is easier and less error-prone to make future extensions.11:18
Venemodjszapi, well, to my knowledge, I don't have a postinstall script11:18
Venemodjszapi, please do it the way you see fit11:19
djszapiyes, you have :p11:19
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Venemoahhh, the chmodding script, yes.11:19
VenemoI'm interested in learning how to do things the right way, so I would appreciate if you helped :)11:19
djszapiwhy do you set the executable bit for a binary ?11:21
djszapiseems plain wrong11:21
Venemoto allow it to be executed?11:21
djszapinoooo :)11:21
Venemoif I don't do it, the binary won't run11:21
djszapijust imagine that if we would need to do it for each binary in each package.11:22
Venemoso it's unneeded?11:22
djszapiyes, of course.11:22
djszapibut let me test it, maybe some black magic I am not aware of.11:23
Venemohmm, I think it's some old practice that I added as a workaround for something11:23
djszapiI tested my patches, works as expected.11:23
Venemolong ago (about a year ago), MADDE had a bug on Windows that it didn't set the executable bit for the binaries of any packages11:24
Venemoand this was the recommended workaround11:24
Venemonot sure if MADDE still has the bug or not.11:24
djszapito be honest, I would not use such a tool...11:24
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Venemodjszapi, at the time I was a Windows user and on Windows, it was (and still is) the only tool that made development possible.11:25
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Venemonowadays I tend to use Linux for development11:26
djszapiI would work on a patch to them than a workaround, but that is just me11:26
djszapianyway, after the purge removal (including config file deletion), I still have the connection issue :(11:26
Venemovery weird.11:27
djszapiqrc:/qml/harmattan/ChatPage.qml:269: TypeError: Result of expression 'ircModel.currentChannel' [null] is not an object.11:27
Venemoyeah, that's notabug11:28
Venemoit becomes not-null after connecting11:28
djszapiVenemo: does this patch hurt on the old software ?
Venemodjszapi, I think it won't11:34
Venemobut I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with your connection issue.11:35
djszapinobody it has :)11:36
djszapiit is a different issue.11:36
VenemoI see11:36
Venemodjszapi, out of curiousity, did this bug occour after you've updated your software, or it just occoured out of the blue?11:37
djszapiI have not modified any software11:38
Venemodoes the error occour only on your N9 or your N950 too?11:38
djszapiI have not used N950 for a quite while.11:39
djszapino motivation for such an old software...11:39
djszapianyway, patches sent.11:39
Venemowell, I've been using it for quite a while, and I use irc chatter basically every day11:39
Venemoonly issue I've found is that the N950 drops the connections quite often11:40
Venemodjszapi, thanks for the patches :)11:41
djszapido not apply yet, I need to re-send11:41
RST38hVenemo: you have been complaining about it just yesterday =)11:41
Venemodjszapi, I'll only have the time to review and apply them tomorrow or the day after tomorrow... :( but I promise you to get around to do it this weekend.11:42
VenemoRST38h, I've been complaining about it every day.11:42
djszapiVenemo: apply when you have time, no hurry.11:44
VenemoI have a lot of administration and other stuff to do at the university, plus I need to care about the new renters of my grandmother's flat11:45
wazdI've found "Troll research station" in Antarctica :D11:46
djszapihehe, I got approved for the Qt Developer Days as in support :)11:46
DocScrutinizerI got an ultra-exclusive invite to Qt developer contest11:47
RST38hwazd: Nice! Any live specimens?11:47
meceme too. Damn, I thought it was JUST ME, that would have been ultra exclusive :D11:47
wazdDocScrutinizer: you're supposed not to share this info!11:47
djszapiVenemo: I need to send an 5th patch, too, hold on11:47
DocScrutinizerwazd: not THAT info! ;-P11:48
wazdRST38h: no, but there's a weather station :)11:48
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wazdfck, :D11:49
sroedalthe convex hull of Norway's territory is pretty big :)11:50
DocScrutinizer2011-09-02 04:28:4454441 spamassassin: URL_in_body: mail contains URL: spam+211:50
RST38hwazd: This is where MicroNokia will ship remaining Trolltech people!11:51
RST38hDoc: Hehe.11:51
RST38hNot spam though.11:51
Stskeepsscam, maybe11:51
maxw   Obnocktious11:52
maxw   1101 Wild Cherry Drive11:52
maxw   Carrollton, Texas 7501011:52
maxw   United States11:52
VenemoRST38h, how do you know it's not spam?11:52
DocScrutinizerVenemo: simple, spamassassin's threshold is like 5, this mail got to 4.x only11:54
maxwhrm Obnocktious is some kind of branding company, so it's possible it is authentic..11:55
DocScrutinizerVenemo: and obviously I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise :-D11:55
RST38hIt is most likely authentic11:55
RST38hWhether it is realistic of useful to any of us is a whole different matter though...11:56
meceI assumed it was legit. But who knows.11:56
djszapiI wonder why it would be on a separate page, and not Nokia.11:57
RST38hto avoid redtape?11:58
djszapiI think Nokia could even prosecute them because of the logo and others, if it is a spam11:58
wazdlarge Qt logo is poorly resized - it's a spam11:58
maxwlike I said, it is done by some branding company...Obnocktious...checkout 'whois' for the domain and then look up the owner11:59
DocScrutinizerdamn new botnet anyway, a new high tide of spam arived some few days ago, and it seems it's here to stay11:59
wazdit's registered with godaddy, no info11:59
maxwit's registered *though* godaddy12:00
maxwbu Obnocktious12:00
wazdprovided password is not working anyway :P12:00
maxwthat's what 'whois' returns for me anyway12:00
RST38hthRough you mean?12:01
maxwRegistered through:, Inc.12:01
DocScrutinizerwhy exactly did I vivit that myface crap?12:04
djszapilcuk: I am not aware of SDL. I think that is not feasible for proper games :p12:05
djszapiI mean in my taste for sure and personal preference.12:05
RST38hDoc: This is [apparently] the guy who has registered qtinnovationchallenge! =)12:05
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DocScrutinizerhe doesn't look that smart to build such a specialized page12:07
wazdRST38h: CCCP jacket makes sense :)12:07
Venemo_N950someone send a message to qgil and ask if it's legit or not12:09
wazdI can bet it's not12:10
DocScrutinizerReceived: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([]) by with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601);12:10
DocScrutinizerthis more and more loks like real spam12:12
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RST38hNon-authoritative answer:12:13        name = brandora.net12:13
RST38hNotice how similar the site looks to the previous branding site12:14
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djszapiI have just asked the people on the internal mailing list about this scam, let us see...12:14
RST38hlooks legit to me, albeit not very well thought out12:15
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DocScrutinizerwazd: my last 4 digits of "password": mo1v12:16
DocScrutinizerso at least it's not always the same12:17
wazdthe only thing I can't understand in this spam is sense :)12:17
wazdwhat was the point12:17
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DocScrutinizerwell, IF you'd get accepted, would you refuse to send your account details to receive the award ?12:18
wazdDocScrutinizer: there's no instant award, you have to reach 10k downloads :)12:19
DocScrutinizeron which counter?12:19
DocScrutinizerand are you asked to disclose your account details before or after you won?12:20
wazdDocScrutinizer: the page does nothing12:20
DocScrutinizerexactly, epic fail12:20
wazdDocScrutinizer: I'm even curious to press "Forgot password"12:20
wazdjust for the sake of science :)12:21
DocScrutinizerheh, there been that Nokia account hacking lately :-P12:21
RST38hWill never reach 10k downloads, so it is safe12:21
arfollemail looks too nice for spam. anyways previous nokia mails have all weird headers12:23
wazdseriously, blurry Qt logo = spam12:24
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lardmanmorning all12:25
wazdand the overall look is kinda shitty12:25
DocScrutinizerwhat makes me frown is: >>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<<12:26
wazdlardman: what a surprise we were talking bout you :D12:26
lardmananything happened over the past few days while I've been in hospital/like the walking dead12:26
lardmanhmm, that makes me worry wazd12:26
* lardman looks for some logs to see what abuse he was receiving ;)12:26
wazdlardman: ah, jusk kidding, wb :)12:26
lardmanthanks :)12:26
arfollwazd: but if it was spam it would accept any and all email/passwd12:26
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arfollalso for spam its remarkably conservative in reward12:27
DocScrutinizercould lure some unalert devels into using their credentials ;-P12:27
lardmanqtinnovationchallenge ?12:27
wazdWait! I got it!12:27
wazdIt does exactly the thing it was supposed to do!12:28
wazdIt distracts us from developing! :D12:28
lardmanin my current sleep deprived state I was saved from doing anything because I can barely focus12:28
lardmanIt does looks remarkably good that site though12:29
lardmanis this related to the recent breakin to the dev site I received an email about?12:30
DocScrutinizerthey stole email addr, now they're skimming valid credentials12:30
lardmando we have a newer firmware yet by chance?12:30
lardmanemail addresses and names12:30
DocScrutinizer>>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<<12:30
Stskeepsguys, ask DDP@ or achipa or quim12:31
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: eww..12:31
wazdStskeeps: it's the boring way :)12:31
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: plus wazd says the password they sent in that mail doesn't work to log in there12:32
Stskeepsso scam?12:32
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djszapiMacLaverty Ronan answered: "This is for real, it is a chance to win some money. Sorry about the confusion."12:32
mecedjszapi, who is that?12:32
djszapithe person who gave out the N950 phones in Helsinki12:33
wazdis his e-mail safe? :P12:33
djszapiand took the whole Harmattan presentation at that MeeGo MeetUp.12:33
wazdlike, not compromised? :)12:33
DocScrutinizerso why does the user-mailaddr/pw credential not work to login?12:33
mecegeneral fuckup12:34
DocScrutinizerand why the FSCK is that mail "from:" but header says Received: from WINI80QRRA4NRH ([]) by with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7600.16601);          Thu, 1 Sep 2011 19:28:54 -050012:35
* mece puts on his ackbar mask "It's a TRAP!"12:36
DocScrutinizerI'm more and more convinced it is12:36
lardmanI've just emailed Quim to ask12:37
DocScrutinizerand I don't believe in coincidence12:37
djszapiThe domain is registered by Obnocktious, a company located in Texas12:37
mecewhat coincidence?12:37
djszapiSeems that they have had some business with Nokia already. Or so they claim at least:
meceObnocktious? Sounds like a binch of douchebags12:38
DocScrutinizerthis coincidence: >>Important information from the Nokia Developer website team:<<12:38
DocScrutinizer>>We are not aware of any misuse of the accessed data, but we have identified that your email address was in one of the records accessed, though it contained none of the optional information, so we believe that the only potential impact to you may be unsolicited email.<<12:40
djszapiDocScrutinizer: password is an easy question, it works with my internal12:40
djszapias they write, not everybody is invited.12:40
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: eh??12:41
* DocScrutinizer enters "an easy question" to that suspicious website's "password: " field12:42
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: you're aware of MITM attacks?12:43
djszapino, sorry I meant that I have been told, but I do not dare to put my pass there :)12:43
SpeedEvilThe password the above site posted is not simply related to any password I currently use.12:44
DocScrutinizerthat'S the point12:44
DocScrutinizerand according to wazd it doesn't work12:44
djszapiyeah, but they rather clearly write it is invite only, so obviously nokia developer account does not work since anybody can register...12:45
DocScrutinizerand >>If you are already registered as an invited developer, please sign in with your User ID and password.<< suggestes you *might* use your account's credentials12:45
djszapino, it is exactly the opposite.12:45
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: you're what? Security expert?12:45
DocScrutinizerlook, if *I* had stolen the 5 billion user email addr, I'd have set up exactly such a page, and wait who's confirming their email addr by trying to log in, and who's really funny and tries his password when the one shipped in the mail doesn't work12:47
RST38hDoc: You are too smart12:47
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arfollDocScrutinizer: but the one in the email does work12:48
DocScrutinizerplus the page isn't https12:49
RST38hwazd: not news12:49
djszapiwazd: yep, I am happy about that12:49
wazdRST38h: oh :(12:49
Stskeepswazd: rumour12:49
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Stskeepsalso, wtf is 'temporarily distcontinue'12:49
wazdStskeeps: yeah, that's strange :)12:50
khertanan other microsoft fud attack ?12:50
meceregarding intel: "The company did say it remains committed to MeeGo and will continue to work with the community to develop"12:52
RST38hThe piece about Intel buying Maemo pieces from Nokia is funny12:53
djszapiCan someone tell me the title of this Nokia email containing the password, please ?12:53
mecetwitterers seem to have missed that bit tho.12:53
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djszapiI have too many mails about N in my inbox :p12:53
SpeedEvildjszapi: Private Invitation: Qt Innovation Challenge by Nokia12:53
hiemanshuugh, stupid QtSDK updater removed the harmattan target :(12:53
djszapiSpeedEvil, mm, I have not got such an email12:54
hiemanshuSpeedEvil: even I got that12:54
mecehiemanshu, 1.1.3 needs fresh install due to some bug12:54
hiemanshuSpeedEvil: and so did Venemo12:54
mecedjszapi, you're not worthy!12:54
hiemanshumece: ah, installing it now, it should have atleast informed me about it12:54
djszapiSpeedEvil: when did you get it ?12:54
Summelihiemanshu: it did that to me too, but it installed it after that12:54
djszapimece: heh :)12:54
mecehiemanshu, yeah it was annoying. I had some many qt installations that it was all a big mess so I removed everything qt and installed from scratch. Went smoothly :)12:55
SpeedEvilDelivery-date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:29:35 +010012:56
wazdachipa in da house12:56
DocScrutinizerso anybody achieved to log in with the mailaddr/pw combo of that mail?12:56
djszapiSpeedEvil: do you know anything who is invited ?12:57
khertanarg ... need to download sdk 1.1.3 ... updater crash and crash again ... and broke qtcreator12:57
SpeedEvildjszapi: Me.12:57
djszapiSpeedEvil: I am about the invitation policy.12:57
djszapi* I mean12:57
SpeedEvilWell - it's a set containing me, hiemanshu, DocScrutinizer, and others. Other than that, no, as it wasn't me that broke into nokias servers.12:58
hiemanshumece: I had a single thing, so I just made a few chances and done :)12:58
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: all who got their email addr hijacked as of
SpeedEvil Among the developers who have been invited to compete in this12:59
SpeedEvil   challenge, the first 20 who successfully develop and publish a Qt-based12:59
SpeedEvil   app to Nokia's Store, and then achieve 10,000 downloads from users in12:59
SpeedEvil   at least three different countries, will receive $10,000 (USD). It's12:59
SpeedEvil   that easy.12:59
djszapiSpeedEvil: wait wait, it is not clear to me what you are saying12:59
SpeedEvil(from the webpage)12:59
SpeedEvilIsn't Qt deprecated?12:59
djszapiI was referring to that what the decision base to send invitation.12:59
SpeedEvilI thought the theming was rather broken, and diddn't work.13:00
djszapino it is actually better than ever.13:00
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sounds odd as well, not really high enough for a true Nokia challenge13:00
SpeedEvilTop dev gets 50k13:00
achipaSpeedEvil: Qt is -*not*- deprecated in any way13:00
djszapiDocScrutinizer: I got that mail, but that is not an invitation mail.13:00
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: all who got their email addr hijacked as of
achipaunless you mean QWidgets :)13:00
SpeedEvilachipa: thanks13:01
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arfollit's all a nokia plan, as compensation for the theft they will give all devs an ultra secure windows phone13:01
RST38h...without the display13:01
RST38hfor more security13:01
arfolli was thinking more with a hidden bluetooth signal to brick any n950/n9 around13:02
hiemanshuSpeedEvil: Venemo was in that set too13:02
meceachipa, thanks!13:03
hiemanshuthe website seems to be registered by
hiemanshuand the mail came through mail.brandora.net13:04
hiemanshuwhich is owned by the same company13:04
mecewell it's a marketing company..13:05
khertanand seems to have works on with nokia in the past13:06
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achipaseems it's legit, though certainly not run by Nokia Developer13:07
achipamight be the Qt guys13:07
khertanbut the website look like fishing one13:07
achipayeah... let me ask around13:08
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djszapiachipa: there was already a thread about it internally.13:09
meceI twittered qtbynokia Dunno if they check mentions.13:09
djszapiRonan already confirmed it.13:09
meceso it's nokia?13:09
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mecedjszapi, yeah, something confused me anyway :D13:11
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achipagrrr, esc-to-close-channel is an evil default13:11
DocScrutinizermeh, forwarded that crap to,, told them what a shite this is, no matter if legit ot not13:13
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DocScrutinizeractually IF it'slegit and Nokia managed to let it look like fishing, it's even worse13:14
DocScrutinizerkudos Nokia, then13:14
DocScrutinizereither way I'm not interested in a reward of USD1/download13:15
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DocScrutinizeronly for the first 313:15
DocScrutinizerif I sell for 0.99 az OVI store I'll get the same reward unconditionally13:16
meceDocScrutinizer, ?13:16
DocScrutinizermece: ??13:17
achipaI guess the point is it's easier to get 10K *free* downloads than *paid* ones13:17
meceDocScrutinizer, if you sell for 0.99 10 times you get an extra 10k :)13:17
meceachipa, indeed.13:17
DocScrutinizerhow would I care?13:17
djszapiI agree about this with DocScrutinizer, I do not care about the reward either.13:18
djszapias for me, it would be just a slightly better motivation, but not about the money and downloads. Just a good motivation for further rapid progresses in the project. :)13:18
DocScrutinizerhonestly, if that's legit, then it's legit kidding13:18
DocScrutinizer"hey dude, this is TOP SEKRIT! you are one of the very few VIP ones that may win USD10.000" BWAHAHAHA13:20
meceit's a bit awkward I agree.13:20
* DocScrutinizer wonders how to improve spam assassin to get rid of such nuissance13:22
djszapi"I can assure you that the competition is legit, and it is currently being run by Markets/Developer Marketing using an external agency. It is focused on the developers who have received a N950 already and are already developing applications for the N9.  It provides them an additional chance to benefit from their work with a simple metric - downloads from Ovi Store."13:22
djszapi"I have contacted the competition organizer (Daniel Hill) about this issue.  If you have any questions you can contact me, and I will try to answer them.".13:22
djszapiby Ronan13:22
khertandidn't know him13:23
djszapiwell, Ronan is one of the top managers, people...13:23
DocScrutinizertell them to remove me from that mailing list, pretty please!13:23
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djszapisee his linkedin13:23
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: no, I do not deal with that, just with the matter in general.13:24
DocScrutinizerseems he already got the trollop virus, or what?13:24
khertantrollop ?13:25
joejoehi everybody, since update of qt, the qt creator shows me message "error running remote process:" without any further description of error13:36
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djszapiheh, in a dictionary application code: class Class { ...14:20
RST38hdoes it compile?14:20
djszapiwell, they have cross-platform releases, so I guess14:20
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djszapiThey also use "class Libs". I also used MyClass sometimes for testing, but "class Class {..." is hefty enough.14:21
RST38hCannot use "Class" in C++. Reserved keyword, even with a capital C14:25
RST38hHence all these Klasses and klasses all around14:25
djszapiI do not think it is reserved.14:27
RST38hTry compiling class Class { Class() {} }; with GCC14:30
djszapiecho "int main() { class Class { Class(); ~Class(); }; return 0; }" > main.cpp && g++ main.cpp14:30
djszapiworks fine14:30
djszapigcc is not a C++ compiler.14:30
RST38hyeah, compiled14:30
djszapiof course.14:31
RST38hgcc also compiles it, in fact g++/gcc difference is mostly in linking afaik14:31
djszapinot really14:31
RST38hBut it did not compile "Class" here. I think it was either MSVC or Watcom14:31
djszapifor gcc, you need to have to link it with the relevant so14:31
djszapibut that is hackish imo14:32
RST38has I said, differences in linking14:32
RST38hSo, was that Qt compo thingie legitimate? =)14:32
djszapiClass would make sense in cases like "Category", or a school program, but surely better to use some synonym, if possible.14:33
RST38hWill the good guy Brandon get a visit from the Nokia Legal or from the feds?14:33
meceRST38h, is legit apparently.14:34
RST38hNokia Legal it is then14:35
meceWho's brandon?14:37
RST38hmece: Guy behind the PR company that sent out email and registered the site14:38
meceok, and why is he getting visit from nok legal?14:38
* mece is slow today14:38
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alteregoI'd really like Harmattan if it had a 4th home screen which scrolled vertically populated by widgets ..14:40
mecealterego YES!14:41
RST38hmece: not using Nokia site for this campaign, apparently not keeping management informed, etc14:42
RST38hmece: basically, making it look like a fishing expedition14:42
alteregoIf only the home screen thing was customisable some how.14:43
RST38hit is, just not by us14:43
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alteregoIt'd be good if each of those views was a plugin, defined in a .ini or .xml file.14:43
RST38hbut there should be an API for adding notifications to it14:43
alteregoThere is for notifications.14:44
alteregoBut I want to be able to add/hack the current home displays :P14:44
alteregoI may investigate this, this weekend14:45
mecealterego, please report your findings :)14:46
RST38halterego: would also be interested14:51
* khertan well be interested about how many time you pass flashing the device due to aegis :)14:52
djszapiaegis has nothing to do with flashing.14:54
khertanindirectly yes : hack view -> aegis blocking device -> flashing device needed14:55
mecedjszapi, he means that device stops working and need reflash due to aegis not fine with hack14:55
khertanthx mece14:56
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rcgwell.. put that way.. aegis has a hell of a lot to do with flashing :)14:58
djszapimece: irrelevant really. Do not brick  your system, and you have no issue14:58
djszapisame on Ubuntu or everywhere else really. If I mess up my system, I just reinstalled in the path.14:58
khertandjszapi: but you didn't mess up your ubuntu system by editing config file correctly15:01
djszapiI do not think you mess up the system if you edit any config correctly.15:01
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khertanyou no, but if it s a file protected by aegis, it ll do it for you :)15:02
djszapino, aegis will not do things like that for you if you edit the config files properly.15:03
djszapiplease stop speculating.15:03
khertani do not speculating ...15:03
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khertananyway i didn't say that aegis isn't a good thing15:04
RST38hdepends on who it is good for15:06
* RST38h knows of at least two such groups15:06
meceaegis is not a good thing15:06
khertanit s a good things, but implementation isn't perfect15:06
khertanbut having something protecting data isn't a bad things15:07
RST38hprotecting data against whom?15:09
RST38hI do not want my data protected from myself.15:09
mecewhat RST38h said.15:09
alteregoIf I brick it, and I can't fix it with aegis, then it's failed.15:09
khertanit s a solution to protect data and device from user installing malware from unsecure location15:09
alteregoYou should be able to revert a change.15:10
alteregoBut we can't do that, so it fails as a "normal" linux system, as there's no recovery option.15:10
khertan(14:09:24) alterego: If I brick it, and I can't fix it with aegis, then it's failed. < i agree15:10
RST38hkhertan: why not disable any installation whatsoever then?15:10
Hq`if you think about so-called "normal users" then aegis is good, but obviously it's bad for the developers/more linux-minded users15:10
RST38hSo-called "normal users" do not give a flying fuck15:11
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djszapianother aegis failure :)
RST38hThey do not know what Aegis is and are very unlikely to get into situation where it becomes useful for them15:11
Hq`that's right, and that's why the system needs to do some fuck-giving for them :)15:11
RST38hNot really15:11
RST38hThere are preciously few situations where Aegis will be helpful15:12
RST38hThese situations can be resolved without Aegis too. Simply by warning the user rather than locking him out15:12
djszapimade my day, thanks! :)15:12
RST38hYou are welcome.15:13
RST38hBTW, that is what Symbian does.15:13
djszapiaegis "does not lock" out, misusage does.15:14
RST38hAegis does lock out.15:14
djszapiyeah, sure all the Harmattan developers locked out themselves and some golden fish made the project xD15:15
RST38hAs in "prevents usage of the device by its intended user"15:15
RST38hDear djszapi! You know better than me that "all harmattan developers" at Nokia run with Aegis disabled.15:15
djszapiwhat ? All the people I know use them actually.15:16
radiofreeand harmattan developers have aegis-su15:16
djszapiyou mean "platform" developers.15:16
djszapiand, no we do not use aegis-su, here nope.15:17
radiofreedjszapi: speak for yourself15:18
djszapihuh ?15:18
radiofreeI don't think i would have done any on device testing if i had to piss about with aegis credentials every time i wanted to run something15:18
radiofree*but*, aegis is absolutely essential on the consumer devices15:19
radiofreecertainly for tracker write access15:19
djszapiwould make zero sense to use aegis-su for final image since it is not available in the production image anyways. For local quick hack, it is fine, but you need to do it decently anyways. We do not indeed use here in this environment. So it is fairly untrue "all harmattan developers at Nokia run with Aegis disabled.". Also, aegis-su is not about disabling aegis anyways15:19
meceradiofree, why?15:19
radiofreefor developers it's a pain in the ass15:20
khertandjszapi: :)15:20
djszapiquiet frankly, I have no idea what you are talking about.15:20
djszapiI made quite a few applications, and I had zero issues.15:20
radiofreei'm not talking about applications15:20
djszapialso, platforms, libraries.15:21
radiofreei'm talking about compiling a simple test case with gcc, scp it over to the device, run it15:21
djszapifor me it is about 5 secs with one alias ?15:21
khertandjszapi: yep, aegis didn't block developper, and i think is a good things15:21
meceradiofree, why is it essential that consumers is prevented from doing that?15:21
radiofreefor me it is about 0.1 second with aegis-su15:21
meces/s is/s are/15:22
infobotmece meant: radiofree, why is it essential that consumers are prevented from doing that?15:22
khertandjszapi: when you say "For local quick hack, it is fine, but you need to do it decently anyways.", what did you mean ? what s the decent way ?15:22
* RST38h smiles watching two Nokians flame each other. Priceless.15:22
djszapikhertan: doing things how it is supposed to work on the production image.15:22
radiofreeapps need to have permission if are going to write (read delete) from tracker, that seems sensible15:22
radiofreei'm not sure about any of the other uses15:22
khertanmece: it s essential that consumer didn't try to execute everything they found on the web, and say after that, than harmattan is unsecure15:23
khertandjszapi: which mean ?15:23
djszapikhertan: aegis-su is not available on public images.15:23
RST38hThe most amusing thing about Aegis is that root is unable to kill user processes with 'kill' =)15:23
mecekhertan, consumers should be allowed to fuck up their stuff if they want15:23
khertandjszapi: how did you edit a protected config file for example ?15:24
RST38hOther "implementation details" are also pretty tasty.15:24
djszapikhertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file.15:24
khertanRST38h: it s funny that root isn't a true root ... but what, it s not essential that root have all full power if you can do it in an other way15:25
khertandjszapi: is there a simple way to know if a file is protected ?15:25
khertan(i ve do it twice ... and reflashing device isn't funny)15:25
djszapikhertan could you please talk clearly ?15:26
djszapiDo not take it offense, but I have no idea what you are talking about.15:26
khertandjszapi: hum ... didn't see any offense :)15:26
djszapihow could something cause reflashing if you cannot even edit it ?15:26
mece(3:24:52 PM) djszapi: khertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file. -> (3:25:40 PM) khertan: djszapi: is there a simple way to know if a file is protected ?15:26
khertandjszapi: you can edit it ...15:26
djszapikhertan: no, you cannot edit an integrity protected file.15:27
mecedjszapi, could you name an integrity protected file?15:27
radiofreedjszapi: I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he wants to know if there's a way to tell if aegis is protecting it15:27
RST38hActually, you CAN edit it, and then Aegis bricks your system after reboot.15:27
khertandjszapi: i mean you can edit it with vi ...15:27
mecethanks RST38h.15:28
RST38hAnother handy Aegis' feature15:28
khertandjszapi: and then you get a warning from aegis15:28
* RST38h wonders if there are any PlatSec people still left at Nokia15:28
khertanRST38h: thx for saying what i want to say clearly :)15:28
djszapiI cannot believe it15:28
RST38hnot our problem15:28
djszapiI told how we designed and implemented. How it is done, and everybody says the oppposite15:28
djszapiok, please ask someone else then...15:28
RST38hnobody asked you either15:29
djszapi15:24 < khertan> djszapi: how did you edit a protected config file for example ?15:29
djszapi15:24 < djszapi> khertan you cannot obviously edit an integrity protected file.15:29
RST38hYou edit it with vi15:29
djszapiyou CANNOT15:29
RST38hLooks like you can.15:29
djszapiok you can, sure...15:29
khertandjszapi: but i edit it with vi, i ve do it twice ... i m sure15:29
RST38hkhertan: Could you find that tmo thread for this gentleman?15:30
djszapiyou have not got the faintest idea what integrity protection means.15:30
khertandjszapi: maybe :)15:30
DocScrutinizerkhertan: >>but what, it s not essential that root have all full power if you can do it in an other way<< is nonsense, as if *you* can do it in "another way" (which btw needs you learning about that other way, which is a PITA) then any malware as well can do it that "other way" - so WTF is the purpose of depriving devels from their tools they are used to and urge them to do it some odd "other way"?15:30
RST38hkhertan: He is saying he has Aegis enabled on his device, maybe we can make him recreate the problem! =)15:30
khertanRST38h: sorry but tmo isn't a reference15:30
RST38hkhertan: whatever tmo is, it had a thread with all the data15:31
khertanDocScrutinizer: indeed15:31
RST38hDoc: Have you got the URL of that epic aegis bricking thread?15:31
khertanRST38h: ok i ll look :)15:31
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sure15:31
RST38hDoc: djszapi here believes it is impossible, as this is not how Aegis "is designed"15:32
khertananyway is there a command or a tool listing file protected by aegis ?15:32
DocScrutinizerRST38h: actually nope, got none, sorry15:32
khertanit s could be an aegis but on beta firmware we have ?15:32
DocScrutinizerkhertan: nope15:32
DocScrutinizer(no such tool)15:33
djszapikhertan: tool for returnings 2-3 strings ? No, indeed not. Documentation is the place to go.15:34
DocScrutinizerRST38h: what I got is
djszapiDocScrutinizer: never got any answer in that thread, so I cannot take that seriously.15:35
khertandjszapi: indeed ... it s text file15:35
khertandjszapi: thx15:35
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: please stop that nonsense, there's ls -l and stat but no aegis-stat15:35
djszapiI fail to see why we should make a tool whcih would return the SAME in 99%15:36
djszapiand 1% when it is protected. Simply documentation material.15:36
djszapiit would just make the output bloated and the system more complicated completely unneccesarily without any gain15:36
DocScrutinizeryou can try to grep the aegis config file, but it's not all that clear what's the format and semantics if that file's content, so I stopped on trying to code sth for this purpose15:37
djszapiactually, it is fairly simple, it is just a simple whitelist in the kernel....15:37
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djszapifail to see how it could actually even be hard to get by reading the code. But for surely, it should be documented by the SDK team.15:37
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wazdso, what's the verdict? :)15:40
mecewazd, on what?15:40
wazdmece: on super-exclusive developement invitation :)15:41
mecewazd, it's legit15:42
RST38hwazd: legit15:42
tomma_it is?15:43
RST38hdjszapi: See? You successfully trolled Doc into leaving with your nonsence.15:43
hiemanshu/home/hiemanshu/QtSDK/Madde/toolchains/arm-2009q3-67-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/arm-2009q3-67/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: Scrt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory15:46
hiemanshudamned error again :(15:46
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khertanhiemanshu: i'm resinstalling sdk again from scratch too :)15:47
hiemanshukhertan: only way to fix it?15:47
khertanhiemanshu: update from .2 to .3 ?15:47
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khertanhiemanshu: faster way for me, scratch, download, coffee, install15:48
hiemanshukhertan: ah, my downloads are really slow, so I'll have to leave it over-night :(15:48
khertanthere is maybe a way to fix it, but the time to fix it and try will be probably longer than download time15:48
khertanhiemanshu: download is slow too :) i do python code during this time :)15:49
* khertan should really study qtcreator plugin devel to try to integrate python15:49
hiemanshukhertan: my downloads are only 200kbps15:49
tomma_its annoying that you cant uncheck qtcreator from sdk install15:49
hiemanshukhertan: Kate + Python is fun!15:50
khertanhiemanshu: if i found how to fix the ugly look of kate under my debian desktop ... maybe15:51
hiemanshukhertan: maybe if you just fix debian15:52
hiemanshuor s/debian/fedora/15:52
khertantomma_: qtsdk is a bunch of plugin ... see qtcreator as the core plugin manager :)15:52
khertanhiemanshu: the things is to fix qt look ... i ven't any theme on it :)15:52
hiemanshukhertan: or s/debian/fedora/15:53
khertanthe other way is to use KhtEditor on desktop pc15:53
khertanbut it s lack qml completion15:53
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djszapiRST38h: sorry, I wanted to ignore you more times, it is now done.15:55
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djszapififerboy o/16:05
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khertan vi /var/lib/aegis/domains16:23
khertan^ :)16:23
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djszapiDocScrutinizer51: -> This is trivially from the code.16:27
djszapitook one grep command really :)16:27
djszapiso these seem to be integrity protected for /now/, but more to common, like /var/lib/aegis for sure.16:28
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ajalkaneDoesn't seem like whole lot of stuff. What's everyone complaining about :-?18:08
hiemanshuthe same. aegis.18:08
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ajalkaneGood old aegis. I'm actually looking forward to the day I get my chance in the ring with aegis. Been doing so boring stuff that aegis hasn't bothered me.18:10
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javispedrohello aegis18:37
javispedroer... hello #harmattan ;)18:37
fiferboyjavispedro, aegis forgave me but still wouldn't grant my request :(18:39
javispedrothat means you have not prayed enough, my son18:39
fiferboyTell me how to repent!18:40
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javispedrostandard fare: $0.99 per sin ;P18:42
javispedroalternatively, 8 reflashes18:42
fiferboyI didn't have to reflash, but it didn't give me back my VKB18:43
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rm_workfiferboy: you managed to get rid of the VKB?!? HOW19:11
rm_worki want that thing to die in a fire19:11
rm_workit keeps popping up all over the place and being annoying19:11
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fiferboyrm_work, I built my own version and aegis won't let me run it :)19:19
hiemanshufiferboy: use javispedro's hack to disable aegis? :P19:20
fiferboyI forgot how to do that19:21
javispedroif the vkb is loaded during boot, and I think it is, you'll have to do lizardo's instead.19:21
javispedro(or put mine earlier in boot...)19:21
fiferboyI can load it after, but aegis kills it for me19:24
fiferboyYours would work, but I would have to run it once a boot19:24
rm_workjavispedro: you managed to kill aegis somehow? :P19:24
rm_workfiferboy: give me your broken VKBD so i can install it :P19:25
rm_workor else make me a "disable VKBD" package19:25
javispedrorm_work: let's say I abused develsh to disable aegis19:25
rm_workjavispedro: lol, you'll have to tell me how to do that19:27
rm_workbbl lunch19:28
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jktso I've just upgraded to the qtcreator 2.3, which apparently offers a way to remote-debug a QML app on N95019:56
jkthow do I do that, though? It says "QDeclarativeDebugServer: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:10001,block". Remote debugger plugin has not been found."19:57
jktand that's after I run `mkdir /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/qmltooling`19:57
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ajalkanejkt: maybe you have to install a newer firmware ;)19:59
jktajalkane: I haven't seen any announcement about the N950 firmware20:01
dm8tbrI'm pretty sure plenty of people _in_ nokia have newer firmware :)20:02
jktwell, good for them. I'm not from Nokia, and I'd love to use QtCreator's features for this.20:05
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djszapihello fiferboy22:16
fiferboyHi djszapi22:21
djszapififerboy could you manage your aegis question ?22:22
fiferboyYes, but I am starting to think it won't help me22:22
djszapilet me know if I can help.22:23
fiferboyI built and compiled my own version of a system package and installed it fine22:23
fiferboyBut it runs a service and I _think_ aegis is killing it22:23
fiferboyYes, the meego-im-uiserver for the VKB22:24
djszapiwhy do you think it is aegis related ?22:25
fiferboyWell that was my impression at first since it would start and then die a few seconds later22:26
fiferboyBut I have since come to realize it could be dbus22:27
djszapiwell, it still sounds a bit unlocalized issue.22:28
rm_workstill frustrating that i *can't* easily kill the vkbd, but you did it by accident :P22:28
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fiferboyrm_work, some of us just live right ;)22:36
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evilJazzAnybody working on common file save and open dialogs in QML? I hate to use the standard unthemed Qt dialogs and I am about to start working on implementing some generic dialogs in QML with a bit of C++ salt.22:57
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M4rtinKa proper file dialog would be nice23:05
antman8969you have all the tools to make one in QML already23:09
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antman8969all you need to do is make a component to display the info23:09
antman8969I use one in one of my apps on git, scenic23:09
antman8969only like a dozen lines of code23:10
evilJazzit is not the implementation that is the problem. I just don't want to duplicate efforts. And perhaps someone has the same problem and we can team up to create one dialog that everyone can use instead of everybody brewing their own version.23:11
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antman8969the only thing you would end up distributing is a file delegate to show in a ListView23:12
antman8969but if that's the case, then it's not very hard23:13
antman8969honestly, you should just get a designer to draw something up and then anyone can put it into QML23:13
antman8969then show it off and i'm sure ppl will use it23:13
wazdevening all23:22
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rm_youlol, quim confirmed that Qt Innovation Challenge by Nokia is real23:29
rm_youand i assume everyone who has an n950 got it23:29
wazdrm_you: cool :023:30
wazdrm_you: now let's wait for it to work :P23:30
rm_younot sure wtf i'd do tho23:30
rm_youlol yeah23:31
rm_youwho is Bogdan Marian23:31
rm_yousomeone from here?23:31
rm_youah nm23:31
rm_youWhat about Alok Ranjan23:32
rm_youor Jitendra Kumar Nayak23:32
rm_youor Nitesh Dev23:33
wazdrm_you: maybe you can summon some higher demon if you'll read all the names correctly :P23:33
wazdrm_you: RST38h for example :D23:33
rm_youtrying to figure out who all these people adding me on Google+ are23:34
rm_youmost of them are Indian23:34
rm_youand the only people we have in common are Qole and Texrat23:34
rm_youso i thought maybe they were people here and i just weren't connecting nicknames23:34
wazdrm_you: I've deleted muself from + right after google's request to use my real name or they will ban me23:35
berndhsif you pronounce the names wrong, you're in deep trouble :)23:35
RST38hrm_you: these people are indians.23:35
wazdrm_you: see! I told you! :D23:35
RST38hrm_you: they are adding me too. probably adding everybody.23:35
RST38hwazd: check email =)23:35
wazdRST38h: sorry for disturbing you your highness :P23:35
RST38hwazd: mm? =)23:36
RST38hwazd: I have noticed that the menu is screwed up,sorry :)23:36
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RST38hintegrating new artwork23:36
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wazdRST38h: ah, np23:37
wazdRST38h: wait a sec I'll redraw all the stuff23:38
RST38hALL of it? B)~23:38
wazdRST38h: well, not quite :P23:39
wazdhmm, there are some serious issues with opening the source file, wait a bit more please :P23:46
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wazdRST38h: done, check your inbox23:55
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