IRC log of #harmattan for Thursday, 2011-09-01

evilJazzdjszapi, the filenames contained :: like in "iTunes Music"00:01
evilJazzthese files were created when I copied my iTunes library to my Ubuntu desktop via AFP/netatalk from the Mac00:01
evilJazzthe test data was bundled in the deb package00:02
djszapithis is not an exact stepset.00:02
evilJazzthat file was used as dummy data to test the UI because the C++ models were not ready at the time (two weeks ago).00:02
djszapiI cannot help until I get exact steps00:05
evilJazzwell, I have already fixed the problem. You don't need to help me. Here is what was bundled with my deb package because I added the qmlui directory to the DEPLOYMENTFOLDERS in the .pro file:
jktso I'm trying to play with an QML application. I've started with the template provided by QtCreator, tried to made some modifications, but wasn't really happy with the result00:08
jktso I decided to take a look at qt-components from gitorious, and tried to import the .qml files from its examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery/qml directory00:09
jktI've added them to the .pro file and to the respective qrc file00:09
evilJazzas you can see, the weird filenames in the .AppleDouble caused the deb package to be rejected:
jktyet, when I start the application, all I see is a black screen00:09
evilJazzjust deleting the .AppleDouble directory fixed the problem.00:09
jktso I have two questions -- what am I doing wrong in this specific case, and especially the second one: how am I supposed to debug these QML issues on device?00:10
jktI can't use the usual QML debugger, because the harmattan components are not even available on desktop builds, afaik00:10
deimosjkt, you can copy component to desktop00:13
evilJazzjkt: good question, I am still looking for a solution too. I am currently only testing the generic core stuff of my app on the desktop and do the qt-component specific debugging on the device.00:14
jktdeimos: I'm coming from the QWidget land; how do I do that?00:14
deimosI followed this
deimosI run flawless the app on desktop and the try if all is ok on n95000:15
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jktdeimos: thanks for that tip00:17
deimoshere there is an how to but by installing all with deb in ubuntu00:17
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evilJazzdeimos, thank you very much for the links. That is precious information.00:28
* jkt has no idea why the configure script recognized the qmake from Qt300:28
jktbut fortunately, env massaging fixed that one00:28
jktit was still a nasty surprise :)00:28
deimosevilJazz, np, but if you are doing something more hardware related, scratchbox or qemu is needed00:30
deimosjkt, to compile you need at last Qt 4.7.4 if I am not wrong00:31
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jktdeimos: yeah, seems so (I'm getting some compilation errors with 4.7.1)00:38
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jktokay, so the black screen error was caused by importing the 1.1 version of instead of 1.001:10
* jkt just missed that01:10
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deimosjkt, I do "import com.meego 1.0"01:40
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ajalkaneyes, should be used01:53
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rm_youRST38h: not sure how to make it work with the script as of currently03:05
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GeneralAntillesYou know what's scary?04:16
GeneralAntillesHarmattan's got me using the portrait keyboard for most things.04:16
berndhsyeah that's pretty bad04:17
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specialGeneralAntilles: I've been doing that pretty often as well, unless there's something long to type04:20
ieatlintis that an insult to the hw keyboard, a compliment to the on-screen keyboard, or both?04:22
berndhsi think it means the virtual keyboard obscures less of the screen in portrait mode04:23
specialI like the hw keyboard, but harmattan is mostly using portrait and it's often easier to just use the portrait vkb than to open the hardware one.04:24
ieatlintyeah... true enough04:24
ieatlintthe vkb is nothing special, but it's not too terrible... certainly a lot better than symbian's portrait vkb04:25
berndhsand if the application doesn't turn to landscape, using the hw keyboard loses a bit04:25
specialsome of the transitions to landscape are broken/buggy in the public build too04:26
specialI try to treat the chat as gently as possible :|04:26
ieatlintchat? i wasn't aware of any chat in the public build... unless it's nokia chat, heh04:27
specialfacebook chat works in the public build.04:28
ieatlintah, i've not touched any of the facebook stuffs...04:28
ieatlintcertainly seems more and more like we won't be seeing any updates for the n950 until the n9 launched04:30
GeneralAntillesAnybody know where the lockscreen background is hiding?04:32
berndhsi'm not convinced the gesture programming in Qt is very good04:35
berndhsits hard to see what the gesture framework will do, under which conditions04:36
berndhshow it will propagate gestures or not propagate them04:36
ieatlintthe qt gestures support was never well done i think04:38
GeneralAntillesieatlint, compliment.04:38
GeneralAntillesThe newer firmwares are supposed to be much nicer, too.04:38
berndhsi'm tempted to just grab events from a MouseArea and generate invoke some metaobject functions04:39
berndhsbypass all the QGesture machinery04:39
ieatlintberndhs: you can implement your own gestures which doesn't work too badly04:40
berndhsyes i'm trying to do that04:40
ieatlintthere's an example for maemo5 on how to do single finger swiping04:40
berndhsi recognize a simple gesture, thats nt the problem04:40
ieatlintwhich works quite well, i've had to use that as an example code for symbian even04:40
berndhsit just doesnt get propagated in any way I can follow04:40
GeneralAntilles(TI Nspire CX CAS on its way)04:40
GeneralAntillesI'm paying a lot of money to TI today.04:41
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ieatlintanyone know the recommended way for having a daemon auto-start in harmattan?04:59
GeneralAntillesHave it beat Aegis to death with a frozen trout?05:00
djszapiieatlint: upstart ?05:01
djszapiDocScrutinizer: after my android phone arrived. I tested it a lot. From what I can say, their security is even more restrict...05:01
djszapiieatlint: /etc/init/app/05:02
ieatlintyeah, see it, was able to get some good info with google on the upstart keyword too05:07
ieatlintthanks :)05:07
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KhertanThere is something i didn t understand about the cobs : why one of my package didn t have harmattan repository as target.10:08
Khertanas it s listed in repository10:08
Khertanof the package but not in the overview page10:09
Khertanit s maybe my errors10:10
Khertanbut i didn't found it10:10
djszapiKhertan: it is not there:
djszapiso it is all fine10:11
meceKhertan, does khteditor need libraries from your repo, or can I install the deb directly?10:12
djszapimece: check the dsc file.10:12
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mecedoh, obs fails to serve the file over web for some reason10:15
meceah nevermind10:16
djszapiworks for me10:16
meceso who was it that had the multi instance xterm in the repo?10:17
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Khertan_Wirc-chatter seems having problem when network switch10:20
Khertan_Wso hum ... yes khteditor have only python/pyside dependancies normally10:20
Khertan_Wso you can install deb directly normally10:20
Khertan_Wbut it s old release10:20
Khertan_Wi ll package a newer one soon10:20
meceKhertan_W, noticed, and I did.10:20
Khertan_Weven if it s far from finished10:21
meceKhertan_W, that's fine. I'm just glad to have something :)10:21
Khertan_Wpreferences still missing and search10:21
meceKhertan_W, it looks really pretty btw :) very nice!10:21
Khertan_Wto be honest qml bother me10:21
Khertan_Wso doing preferences ui is kinda slow10:22
meceI like qml. Mostly because my python and c++ fu is so weak10:22
Khertan_Wi like python ... but i prefer doing ui in qwidget than qml10:23
meceKhertan_W, hey, could you perhaps link to your repo from ?10:23
Khertan_Wthe modify launch, try retry bother me10:23
meceKhertan_W, that way people would find your stuff easier.10:24
Khertan_Wwii ?10:24
Khertan_Wit s not anymore the rzr repo ?10:24
mecewhat's the rzr repo?10:24
djszapithe sahred community10:24
meceperhaps I should add that :)10:25
mecethis one: ?10:25
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Khertan_Wthx for posting link10:26
Khertan_Wyou was faster than me and my slow office network10:26
djszapiI do not know what "unofficial" means.10:28
djszapiit is just as official as other community repository.10:29
meceaaaargh ffs10:31
mecei wrote the whole damn line to add the repo to sources.list and I forgot to devel-su first!10:32
dm8tbrI hear there is c&p support for harmattan terminal coming :)10:32
meceomg how I need that.10:33
dm8tbrworkaround prepend echo postpend >/foo10:33
infobotdm8tbr meant: workaround prepend echo append >/foo10:33
mecehmm I'll just write it again. It wasn't THAT long10:33
* RST38h moos10:33
mecedoes anyone have a build of the latest terminal? Maliit is it?10:34
dm8tbrthat's what I did with my xmpp setup commands, just echo >> and then scp it away. need to reflash soon10:34
dm8tbrmaliit is the vkbd IIRC10:34
mece*bonk self*10:35
dm8tbrmece: ask kimju, he should know or have his own build10:35
mecekimju, ping10:35
meceperhaps I could roll my own...10:35
meceit's in the git, right10:35
meceon gitorious10:35
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dm8tbrbut double check if there is newer source from upstream available10:36
mecerzr has it!10:38
mece0.1.8.1 seems to be the latest here.10:38
* RST38h could not install it for some reason10:38
mecegit-core \o/10:43
mecehmm libssl breaks on postinst. where are the postinsts stored again?10:47
djszapi/var/lib/dpkg/info/ iirc10:47
djszapi(something like that, it is just by heart without sb, or gadget :)10:48
mecedjszapi, it was correct :)10:49
meceah, script need bash. Do we have bash?10:49
djszapiof course10:49
djszapiwhat do you mean by "breaks" ?10:49
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JaffaMorning, all10:50
mecewell I don't have bash installed, and the postinst script for libssl1.0.0 has bashisms. So installation breaks.10:50
mecehmm no bash in repo, just bash-completion10:51
djszapiwhere is this libssl ?10:51
djszapiI do not see it in the public Nokia repo, not even in the shared community.10:52
DocScrutinizerdjszapi: (android more strict)  fine, thanks for confirming another point why I hate Android and am convinced it's completely useless10:52
djszapioh well10:53
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mecedjszapi, it's in rzr, libssl1.0.010:53
mecedjszapi, shouldn't that repo be enabled by default?10:54
DocScrutinizersee, IF I liked android concept I for sure had gotten me an Android phone rather than a N90010:54
djszapi -> ok I was looking libssl here, sorry, not the distributed packages.10:54
djszapimece: nope, it is community repository.10:54
mecedjszapi, oo..10:54
djszapiDocScrutinizer: no, sorry you misunderstood my intention. I was not trying to confirm your "hate". I was just saying we ship a more open approach. I still like Android as well.10:56
mecedjszapi, is this what I should add: "deb harmattan/sdk free non-free"10:56
djszapimece: yes, as the wikipage says.10:56
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meceI'll just add them all..10:57
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djszapiplease please /please/ do not!10:57
RST38hwhy not?10:58
djszapicommunity repository + harmattan should be okay, otherwise you might end up a screwed up repository list with duplicated choices.10:58
djszapiif you need anything special just grab it manually and make a request to push it to the shared.10:58
RST38hah, the extras-or-die crap again10:59
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RST38heven although there is absolutely no infrastructure for the harmattan extras at the moment10:59
* RST38h moos at wazd evilly10:59
djszapimece: or at least make sure the order is parsed as you expect.11:00
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meceok so the official and the rzr11:04
djszapiyep, and you find something elsewhere working: do not hesitate to help out the community with porting it to the shared.11:05
meceI haven't managed to get my own stuff built in obs yet, so I'm a while from actually being helpful11:06
mecebuilds fine in scratchbox or qtsdk tho..11:07
fralsmece: got a link to qlister.deb?11:09
fralsmece: seems ive misplaced it and have reflashed my devices ;(11:10
mecefrals, or dev is
mecedid khertan leave?11:12
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mecefrals, I mean deb..11:16
meceFINALLY!!!!! multi instance terminal :D:D:D:D \o/11:18
Jaffamece: where?11:20
meceI think I'll edit the community obs wiki a bit, to recommend onyl adding rzr and official.11:22
meceeveryone ok with that?11:22
djszapiwell, you cannot add to the official, and we should no force people, just recommend. That is also documented on the shared page and wiki, already.11:23
meceI mean on the page listing development repos,11:24
djszapiyou can be more explicit, if you wanna to, yes.11:25
mecedjszapi, well it's like this now:
djszapiin my opinion, the shared repository description link should just be added instead of duplicating that.11:28
djszapibut not on that link, but here:
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Venemo_N950good morning11:42
djszapihi Venemo :)11:43
wazdhello all11:44
Venemo_N950hey djszapi, how're you?11:45
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* Venemo_N950 wants new software for his N95012:07
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fluxvenemo_n950, maybe if you want it enough, it happens!12:08
djszapiVenemo_N950: does  this sentence run from a cron job ? :p12:09
meceoh cock!12:12
mecegit fails12:12
meceI guess I cheered too soon.12:13
Venemo_N950djszapi, NOT A BAD IDEA!!!12:13
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rantomHow do I restart vkb?13:10
rantomIt just went off13:10
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rantom(virtual keyboard)13:12
djszapiWhat do you mean by "went off" ?13:15
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rZZZrmece: back13:49
rZZZrrzr repo is my playground13:50
rZZZrrzr:harmattan is the shared repo13:50
djszapithat is what we discussed :)13:53
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lcukis it pyside or pyqt that is available for ovi14:01
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lcukachipa, which python/qt bindings should be used and is ovi compatible with python now?14:14
achipain harmattan context, that would be pyside (not aware of any PyQt port), not sure about Ovi status ATM14:15
lcukachipa, what other contexts are there?14:17
achipadesktop, maemo, etc14:17
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rantomIs it a known issue that if someone leaves a voicemail to you won't get a SMS of it?15:17
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achiparantom: that would be a provider feature, the device or firmware has nothing to with it16:10
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rantomWhy does it work with N900 then?16:10
rantomSame SIM16:10
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achiparantom: that's then a general SMS issue, there should be no difference in the SMS sent due to voicemail or from any other device/service16:13
achiparantom: I know I had an issue when some SMS-es got stuck (had to reboot and then the messages would come in the next retry loop)16:14
rantomI'll try it again with new FW, since I got horrible reception now with the old16:15
rantom...according to the callers16:15
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VenemoMeeGo 1.2 Harmattan beta: This version of the Harmattan target is built on the same software image that was used in the version released in June so does not introduce new features, but is required to be updated in order to continue developing MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan apps.16:51
Venemofuck them.16:51
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javispedrorm_work: which credentials?17:34
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rm_worki've never looked at aegis creds before17:35
rm_workis that what they're supposed to look like?17:35
javispedroyes, can you pastebin the full list?17:35
DocScrutinizerquite possibly17:35
javispedrofrigging chr google17:36
DocScrutinizerfull syslog segment17:36
javispedrotwice today, this is stupid17:36
javispedroᏣᏲᏍᏗ - linux SYS_CAP_SETUID - Ꮭ ᏱᏓᏙᎵᎩ ᏂᎦᎥ ᏕᎦᎾᎥᎢ17:36
javispedropotentially unicode crap to you17:36
DocScrutinizerlearn cherokee instead of bitching ;-P17:36
radiofreeXChat IRC wants to install a font "Cherokee"17:37
DocScrutinizer(unicode crap) actually not, renders fine here17:37
DocScrutinizerdang a cool font17:37
VenemoStskeeps, do you plan on making a release of 'Mer' for ARMv6?17:38
StskeepsVenemo: yes17:38
StskeepsVenemo: in fact i just bootstrapped the port for it17:38
VenemoStskeeps :)17:38
VenemoStskeeps, I want to buy a Raspberry Pi for myself and I want to run MeeGo on it :)17:39
StskeepsVenemo: guess why i'm making it..17:39
VenemoStskeeps, I was guessing you're making it for your N8x017:39
Stskeepsthat's also a good reason but not only :P17:39
Venemohm, I thought I was on #meego ... eh.17:40
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rm_workStskeeps: thought Mer was dead O_o17:50
Stskeepsrm_work: many us of went into meego and well, meego isn't living up to the promise atm17:50
rm_workDocScrutinizer / javispedro: sorry, got sidetracked by actual work for a sec17:50
djszapiyep, it seems everything works just fine with open mode.17:51
djszapiand I could just load my custom kernel module fine.17:53
harbaumStskeeps: is mer-reloaded softfp?17:55
Stskeepsharbaum: it doesn't care about binary compatibility really so it has armv7 softfp/hardfp, armv6 softfp, non-atom in due time..17:55
rm_workDocScrutinizer / javispedro:
rm_workhad to type it all out by hand17:56
Stskeepsharbaum: 400 source packages derived from meego, no UX'es or hw adaptations within it, they're built on top seperately17:56
javispedrorm_work: no need, it was just curiosity! :)17:56
javispedrorm_work: either way it seems that you are running it as root17:56
javispedrorm_work: try user@17:56
harbaumStskeeps: sounds like a useful concept. is gles mandatory?17:57
Stskeepsharbaum: just a very good html5/qml/js/pyside stack, though you can do binary qt apps if you want17:57
Stskeepsharbaum: planning on llvmpipe support17:57
Stskeepsand DGLES on top of stuff like nvidia17:57
Stskeeps(dgles is gles on top of GL)17:57
harbaumso i'll keep my beagle setup in working order ... just in case :-)17:57
javispedroStskeeps: oh, does dgles do 2.0 these days? O.o17:58
Stskeepsjavispedro: i thought so17:58
javispedronot last time I tried..17:58
harbaumgles on top of gl???  What's that good for (besides development)?17:58
Stskeepsjavispedro: well, at least the nokia qemu one17:58
Stskeepsharbaum: some GL stacks don't export ES17:58
javispedroStskeeps: that's quite interesting17:59
javispedroI should look at and see if it can be separated from qemu..17:59
Stskeepsharbaum: .. such as nvidia chipsets, which there are a few of, due to nvidia ion17:59
rm_workjavispedro: ah, i guess it does not give cred failures if i run as user?!17:59
javispedrorm_work: it won't give a few of those at least :)18:00
djszapirm_work: why not mplayer2 ?18:00
rm_worki was doing most of my testing as root since i was also running other commands for statistics inbetween18:00
rm_workdjszapi: it is mplayers18:00
rm_workdjszapi: it is mplayer218:00
djszapi[297499.239227] Aegis: mplayer verification failed (source origin check)18:00
rm_workdjszapi: still same executable name18:00
rm_worki packaged mplayer2 2.018:01
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rm_workjavispedro: doesn't appear to be giving any at all18:02
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rm_workalso, it looks like maybe it DOES have hwaccel already!?18:02
javispedroso it works then?18:02
javispedrorm_work: that would be news to me, I doub it18:03
rm_workthese are not the results i was getting last week, i swear18:03
javispedroI guess the 1Ghz is already enough for some interesting video18:03
rm_workit couldn't possibly be decoding this x264 that fast without it18:03
rm_workhow can i open a second terminal window18:04
djszapiuse screen =p18:05
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rm_workbut i wanted to be able to taskswitch between them easily :(18:06
rm_workwtf why is my n950 swapping18:06
rm_workok attempting to gather stats18:07
rm_workthis is much harder when i can't WATCH atop, have to run it in screen in the background and switch back super fast after killing the video18:08
M4rtinKwhat about a remote SSH login ?18:08
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rm_worknormally i would do that18:11
rm_workbut no network here at work18:11
rm_workvery suboptimal testing conditions18:12
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rm_workso yeah, ok, it is... not? using hwaccel. i think.18:12
rm_workfairly certain possibly18:12
javispedroit can't18:13
rm_worki cought atop at exactly the wrong time18:13
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Stskeepsman, this place is idle for once20:53
berndhsStskeeps: that's because i haven't started complaining about Qt Gestures :)20:55
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hiemanshudoes the keyboard have a backlight? I cant remember if it does :/21:06
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wazdhiemanshu: yes, but not always :P21:07
hiemanshuwazd: ah21:07
wazdhiemanshu: when it's in a good mood :)21:07
hiemanshutoo hard trying to type in a dark room, is this nokias way of getting you to use the VKBD?21:07
wazdhiemanshu: I guess it's a software bug21:08
hiemanshuwazd: or a conspiracy :P21:08
* wazd winks21:09
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rZZZrhiemanshu: i think it depends on the pm profile21:14
hiemanshuwell battery is full21:15
rZrVenemo: have you tested bip21:15
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DocScrutinizeror znc21:32
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rZrDocScrutinizer: do you prefer that one ?21:34
DocScrutinizerwell, I for some reason I can't recall anymore switched from bip to znc21:34
rZrthen we should test it on irc-chatter21:35
DocScrutinizerI think bip has no automatic buffer playback21:35
rZri put it on my todo list21:35
DocScrutinizerwhile znc at least notices a dropped connection after a short while and plays back buffer from that moment on at next connect21:36
DocScrutinizerthen bip even had a bug for me, about parsing the <time> parameter to playback command21:36
rZri plan to use it along bitlbee for xmpp21:37
DocScrutinizerwhich resulted in whole buffer getting played back each time21:37
DocScrutinizerznc has some other small issues, e.g it doesn't work for concurrent xchat & Konversation clients21:38
rZrI'll have to backport it to lenny :(21:38
DocScrutinizerprobably just easy enough21:39
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DocScrutinizerI had to build it on centOS ;-D21:40
rZrnot harmattan ? :)21:40
DocScrutinizerlol, znc on HARM? what for?21:40
DocScrutinizereven more silly than asterisk21:41
rZrfor a fanless freedombox21:41
rZri wish a bnc that supports xmpp +sip too21:49
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VenemorZr, what is bip?21:59
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rZrVenemo: an irc gateway22:23
rZrVenemo: apt-get install bip on your debian box22:23
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djszapi_hi fiferboy23:08
djszapi_Could you manage your security issue or do you still need my assistance ?23:08
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Venemo_N950meh, my N950 screen became very scratchy in the past 2 weeks23:24
djszapi_Venemo :)23:25
Venemo_N950djszapi_, this is no laughing matter23:27
djszapi_ok, let us cry :)23:27
djszapi_yep, things like that happen...23:27
Venemo_N950at least we know it's not gorilla glass23:28
berndhsand keep your diamond rings away from the glass23:28
Venemo_N950if I could afford diamond rings...23:28
djszapi_Venemo: there was an android phone last night at the company party with completely broken glasses ... swiping worked as if it had been a new gadget.23:29
djszapi_mmm, I should have made a picture about it .. :)23:30
djszapi_anybody coming to the Qt Developer Days (Munich, October?)23:32
Venemo_N950again, if I could afford it23:32
Venemo_N950I think I couldn't pay for even the flight there.23:33
DocScrutinizerI can't even pay for the lunch there ;-P23:36
DocScrutinizerMuenchen, OMG23:36
berndhshow much is a cup of coffee there? about $5 ?23:37
djszapi_I wonder whether there will be any Harmattan community event (probably nope).23:37
DocScrutinizerliving that close to Munich we tend to stay as far away from it as possible ;-D23:37
DocScrutinizeri my case "close" is <200km23:40
djszapi_where do you live ?23:43
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN23:44
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.09.01 2020 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.94 in. Hg (1014 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT)23:44
DocScrutinizerso ~150km from Munich23:45

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