IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-08-31

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djszapi__ -> nice reading.00:10
* ajalkane has learned his lesson. Do not try to take the short-cut and try to use QList<Object *> for ListModel with Harmattan Qt Components. QAbstractItemModel based it must be, or much weeping and gnashing of teeth ensues.00:13
rcg1ajalkane: or use QAbstractListModel ;)00:19
rcg1btw. when implementing a model that way you might consider creating an own class (inheriting from QObject) for your model elements00:20
ajalkanercg1: yes, I actually meant that with being based on QAbstractItemModel, ie. anything deriving from it. I ended up implementing QAbstractListModel and only drying tears remind me of the pain I experienced.00:20
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ajalkanercg1: I implemented my own class, but what's the benefit of inheriting from QObject?00:20
rcg1ajalkane: hehe.. sure.. was just me trying to make fun of it ;)00:20
ajalkaneI'm too shook up to laugh right now, but perhaps tomorrow :)00:21
rcg1uhm you could e.g. easily add properties that are accessible from QML of make methods callable from QML etc.00:21
ajalkanercg1: ok true... but I guess then I'd have to register it to QML as a type? I'm kinda trying to avoid doing that, not sure why though.00:22
rcg1also if you want to use a SectionScroller with your custom model you need the section property to be accessible in your entity class ->
berndhsyeah but among the properties and invokable methods are exactly those of AbstractItemModel00:22
rcg1ajalkane: sure, you would need to register it.. but thats not much of an issue imho00:23
rcg1berndhs: well.. having an entity class of its own (with properties n stuff) in your custom model makes handling selections etc. in the list much easier00:24
rcg1i.e. you can use currentItem pretty easily00:24
berndhsrcg1: right, but wither you derive of QObject or QAbstractItemModel doesn't amek a whole lot of difference00:24
ajalkanercg1: interesting, thanks. SectionScroller might be useful00:25
berndhsperhaps QAbstractItemModel has soem more baggage00:25
rcg1no.. am not talking about to derive your model from QObject but the items in your model (i.e. the list in that case)00:25
rcg1ajalkane: yw :)00:25
berndhsah i see00:26
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rcg1berndhs: i.e. have your model inherit from QAbstractList Item whatever model.. and have your content of the model e.g. QList<Foo> where Foo inherits from QObject00:26
ajalkanercg1: question about that section... does the model object need to have those as properties, isn't the listview accessing them using the model's roles like in delegate?00:29
ajalkaneseems strange if the method of accessing them is different00:29
rcg1well.. afaiu the role in the model and the property of the entity class need to be named the same00:30
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ajalkaneweird... But my experience so far with C++ backends to QML is you hit your head to the wall until you stumble on the approach that works. So isn't really surprising.00:31
ajalkaneIt's not really intuitive how and why some things work and others not.00:32
ajalkane(to me)00:32
berndhsi don't know, the whole view/model stuff seems ad hoc and messy from the beginning00:32
rcg1re.. srry was shortly afk00:32
ajalkaneberndhs: yes, I couldn't bother with that view/model stuff with pure Qt, but with QML in the picture you kinda have to dig into it00:33
berndhsright, there isn't a holw lot of choice00:33
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rcg1iirc the SectionScroller JavaScript code accesses the elements of the model directly at some place.. there it uses the name of the section as property to access the element property00:34
berndhsGridView is basically ListView with Flow instead of Column if I understand the behaviour00:34
rcg1hence both need to be named the same00:34
rcg1ajalkane: well... i needed some time to get that as well.. but once you get it it really feels just natural00:35
rcg1actually you do not need much besides QObject, Q_INVOKABLE and Q_PROPERTY.. and now that signal foo becomes onFoo00:35
ajalkanercg1: I see. Annoying. I would have intuitivily thought it gets the properties injected like in delegate.00:36
* ajalkane tries to remember this little tid-bit that might save some hairpulling in the future00:36
rcg1well.. actually.. that delegate thing might be actually confusing...00:37
rcg1have a look at line 151 ff00:38
rcg1there I use a pretty awkward way to access the properties of currentItem00:39
ajalkanewhy can't you just use elementText in the rest of the delegate? Why assign it to property like that?00:40
rcg1this is not for use within the delegate but for use "outside of the list"00:41
rcg1in the delegate you can use elementText.. but the scope of this is limited to the delegate component00:42
ajalkaneyou have there moving of items by dragging?00:42
ajalkaneNice. I was banging my head about how I could nicely do an animation when an item moves in ListView. I couldn't.00:43
ajalkaneI better go sleeping now that my problem is solved and won't disturb dreams of little ponies and flowers. Nighty00:48
rcg1heh.. yeah.. same here.. gnight00:48
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npm (Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas FTW!)02:12
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GeneralAntillesSo who's going to put together a MetaWatch application?02:41
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DocScrutinizermorning Venemo10:21
Venemoey DocScrutinizer, how're you? :)10:21
DocScrutinizeryawning, moaning10:21
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djszapiN9Venemo there is one thing in irc chatter that could beöimproved10:22
DocScrutinizerand in a hurry that should forbid sitting at kbd10:22
djszapiN9i added a room manually on the initial screen, but it does not connect10:23
DocScrutinizerdjszapiN9: hi moo, where's your blog?10:23
VenemodjszapiN9, weird, it should.10:23
djszapiN9this is because of my syntax guess work10:23
djszapiN9so i proposed an add button for it10:23
DocScrutinizer[2011-08-30 20:54:07] <djszapi_> ok, if anybody is interested in an easy way to turn off the aegis validator like on the R&D images, drop me a message. I might write some blog about it..10:24
djszapiN9same workflow when you join the channel10:24
djszapiN9i would just like to type the room ne10:24
VenemodjszapiN9, yeah, I agree with you10:24
VenemodjszapiN9, what you currently see on the startup screen is not the final GUI for this purpose.10:25
VenemodjszapiN9, it's just something I've thrown together in a couple of minutes10:25
djszapiN9must got off the bus10:25
VenemodjszapiN9, as you may have heard, previously server/nickname were hard coded :P10:26
VenemodjszapiN9, you can expect v0.N+1 versions to have a proper server config UI and a proper identity config UI, similarly to how Konversation works.10:28
Venemobrb, gonna eat now10:28
djszapiN9yeah you could well replicate some already existing settings page10:28
DocScrutinizerVenemo: please don't replicate Konversation's quite limited scripting capabilities10:35
hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: ofc not, we will replicate Harmattans limited capabilities10:35
* hiemanshu runs10:35
VenemoDocScrutinizer, not talking about scripting capabilities10:36
* DocScrutinizer does, though10:36
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: Konv doesn'T know how to restart on top of list of alternative servers, when conection drops after successful login :-/10:37
VenemoDocScrutinizer, our stuff doesn't really reconnect at all. it's a planned feature to handle disconnections gracefully, but it's not there yet :(10:38
DocScrutinizerexample: I got network freenode with servers and One day I'm on kornbluth as expected, next day (after 24h forced disconnect of my DSL) I'm on chat though10:39
Venemomeh! my N950 got its first scratch last week.10:40
DocScrutinizergotta run10:40
VenemoDocScrutinizer, have a nice day10:40
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: tighly integrate a proper scripting interpreter (e.g. python) from beginning!10:42
DocScrutinizerhnade stuff like reconnects with scripts10:42
DocScrutinizerwill save you a LOT of work10:43
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DocScrutinizerand empower your users to augment the app in a really convenient way10:44
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djszapiDocScrutinizer: well, I did not have time to test it on the public software version with N950, but it works fine on N9: 1) security/aegis/validator/fs.c -> int validator_fsaccess(int op) { return 0; } 2) echo 0 > /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled11:01
RST38hevil maemo hackers are getting to argis' soft wet underbelly?11:04
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daschHello! I'm hoping to ask some questions about libcontentaction.11:15
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djszapiRST38h: not sure what you mean...11:17
djszapiDocScrutinizer: Yes, we dropped NET_ADMIN.11:22
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, I have no idea how scripting has anything to do with IRC11:35
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djszapiVenemo: as for me, ~/.irssi/scripts/, that is11:37
djszapi -> lot of useful scripts.11:37
VenemoI am unfamiliar with irrsi, and also unfamiliar with this concept11:38
djszapiit is the same concept as plugins..11:38
djszapipick up what you would like to have, and does not make sense to have default since everybody should not be forced for them.11:39
djszapiin this special case, python is probably not the best idea. I would advise QtScript.11:40
Venemobut how does it work?11:41
Venemowhen some event occours, I run a script?11:42
djszapiirssi plugins run during the startup.11:42
djszapior you can execute them manually on-the-fly.11:42
Venemoand what do they do?11:43
djszapijust like a normal command, explained at the top of the page aforementioned.11:43
djszapikeep reading that page, and you can get some ideas what they are for.11:43
VenemoI have no idea how to implement such a scripting engine.11:45
djszapiwell, it is not an arguement, you can learn it anytime, not a biggie.11:46
Venemoif there is an option to dynamically load/execute a .js from QML, then that could solve it11:46
Venemowell, I think I could add something like this, after I'm done with the features I want :)11:48
Venemodjszapi, out of couriousity, does your N9 also drop the connection as often as my N950?11:52
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: find a *very* simple example how scripting and IRC may relate on my wiki/user:joerg-rw/xchat page11:52
VenemoDocScrutinizer51, -> There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.11:54
DocScrutinizer51google is tour friend11:54
djszapiVenemo: never drops11:55
Venemodjszapi, that's good to hear11:55
VenemoI see11:56
VenemoDocScrutinizer, your password is 'mypassword'?11:56
DocScrutinizersure for your convenience, hacker fool!11:56
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djszapimy android phone has just arrived \o/ :p12:03
Venemodjszapi, you betray us?12:03
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djszapihuh ?12:05
Venemodjszapi, so you betray Harmattan for Android? :P12:07
djszapiI am trying to find a long term solution (at least longer than Harmattan the days of which is counted - next year) for deploying Qt/KDE applications.12:09
djszapiare counted*12:09
Venemoand you don't trust that MeeGo will be of any significance next year?12:09
RST38hAndroid is not it12:10
djszapiVenemo: I always disliked MeeGo.12:10
* RST38h laughes at Venemo12:10
Venemodjszapi, that's sad.12:10
djszapiI have never understood why that project is good for me (as for me, I do not prefer it).12:10
djszapiI fail to see why it is "sad".12:11
Venemowell, it's currently the only (somewhat) open project targeting mobiles.12:11
djszapis/open/open source/12:11
RST38hVenemo: actually, no12:11
VenemoRST38h, educate me then,12:11
RST38hVenemo: First of all, there are no mobiles targeted by Meego nowadays12:11
RST38hVenemo: The Meego Handset is all but dead12:12
Venemoyeah, unfortunately.12:12
RST38hVenemo: Secondly, there are other Linux based projects targeting mobile devices12:12
RST38hSuch as Linaro for example12:12
djszapiyep!! that are the points, Venemo12:12
RST38hUbuntu Mobile12:12
VenemoLinaro is not an OS, it's just the cooperation between Linux kernel devs and ARM chip manufacturers12:13
Venemoans Ubuntu Mobile was for netbooks last time I checked.12:13
RST38hLooks pretty much an OS to me12:14
Venemothere are downloads for Android and Ubuntu12:14
RST38hIgnore Android, take Ubuntu downloads12:15
VenemoAndroid is not open at all, I don't care. how is an Ubuntu for a panda board any good for my N9(x0)12:15
djszapibut I was not talking about Linaro. That is a great project indeed, but here is Maemo12:15
djszapiand Harmattan, what was the sense of sharing the work instead of polishing one up ?12:16
VenemoMaemo is dead already, and you said that Harmattan will be also.12:16
djszapiVenemo: MeeGo is not open at all either12:16
Venemobut it's a lot more open than android.12:16
djszapiVenemo: Harmattan is dead because of MeeGo, if you ask me12:16
djszapiVenemo: no, it is not12:16
Venemowhy is that?12:17
djszapiif there is no MeeGo, Harmattan can be polished up12:17
djszapiand it can reach the market without running out of the time.12:17
RST38hHarmattan is dead. So is Meego. Get used to it, look elsewhere.12:17
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djszapiMeeGo pretty much defeated the Harmattan time-to-market12:17
Venemowhich is also sad.12:17
djszapiI have never understand why MeeGo was born to be honest, from the day first12:17
RST38hThere *are* some hopeful developments, even inside Nokia (see project Mietelmi)12:17
djszapiat least for handsets until Harmattan is polished up12:18
djszapiMeltemi has already been doomed12:18
VenemoRST38h, what is project Mietelmi?12:18
djszapibut please do not discuss NDA on this channel;12:18
djszapiVenemo: you did not hear it12:18
RST38hname was quoted in the open12:18
djszapiit is not public information12:18
RST38hthe details of what it is are unknown though12:18
djszapiVenemo: at any rate, I have been sad about the meego existence since last year12:19
djszapiand it pretty much killed Harmattan12:19
Venemowell, MeeGo's main fault is that it failed to deliver any products based on it.12:19
djszapiit killed itself and also  Harmattan12:19
RST38hdjszapi; Well, it allowed Symbian managers ot keep their jobs for a little while longer. Isn't it a good thing?12:19
djszapiRST38h: Meltemi is a bullshit12:19
* RST38h does not know what Meltemi is, really, aside from the name12:20
djszapiI know, it has been pretty much doomed12:20
RST38hBut killing Harmattan with Meego definitely helped Symbian people keep their jobs12:20
djszapisame silly traditions, anyway. Android is the next choice of mine12:20
Venemonooo, I don't want android. I want something better.12:20
RST38hVenemo: WinPhone?12:20
djszapiQt for non-android, what ?12:20
RST38hiPhone, Venemo. YOu want iPhone.12:21
VenemoI hate the iPhone.12:21
RST38hBut you want it.12:21
VenemoI don't.12:21
RST38hCome to the papa Jobs, come...12:21
Venemoit would be of no use to me.12:21
djszapiVenemo: Android is an excellent platform12:21
RST38hAndroid is depressing12:22
djszapithe security is much worse than we did, but still a good project. I advise you the neccesitas project for at least reading.12:22
RST38hTotal mess to develop for. No business model for app developers.12:22
RST38hDriven by people with a mission to reinvent everything. Never a good thing.12:23
djszapiVenemo: I am happy to see meego might be dropped by Intel.12:23
Venemoandroid's main fault is its java-based crappiness12:23
djszapiRST38h: you are just whining.12:23
VenemoI WILL NOT learn java for android12:23
djszapiVenemo: no!!!12:23
djszapiREAD Neccesitas, oh come on...12:23
RST38hdjszapi: I have been developing for Android for the last few months and trying to market my apps.12:23
djszapiVenemo: the native sdk is free as in beer12:24
djszapinot sure what java you are talking about...12:24
RST38hdjszapi: So, whether I am whining or not, it is based on my experience developing for Android.12:24
Venemodjszapi, well, ok, it supports Qt.12:24
xarcassdjszapi: about necessitas: can it play audio and video now? last time i've checked it couldn't12:24
djszapiVenemo: of course12:24
RST38hAnd do not get your hopes about NDK too high. You will soon find out how wrong you are.12:24
djszapiVenemo: and that is the area where I would like to come into the picture12:24
djszapiworking on Android QtOpenGL or webkit.12:25
Venemobut if MeeGo fails and there won't be a better open alternative, I will either 1) not buy a smartphone at all or 2) buy a wincrap phone, at least I can develop for that.12:25
djszapiRST38h: yes, we are all wrong in the neccesitas, sure...12:25
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djszapiwinphone is good....12:25
RST38hdjszapi: just because you have shoehorned Qt onto Android does not mean everyone will use it.12:26
RST38hdjszapi: will stay just that - an amusing project12:26
djszapiRST38h: you lost me, I think the above sentence was more than arrogant, sorry.12:26
Venemowinphone is dead easy to develop for... with an easy-to-use IDE, good emulator (which Maemo was always lacking), etc, etc.12:27
RST38hVenemo: but C# only for normal devs12:27
VenemoRST38h, I like C# a lot better than C++, yes.12:27
RST38hVenemo: and if you are privileged developer, you basically get WinCE SDK.12:27
djszapiWinPhone is excellent, I love it. However I would also like to deploy Qt apps somewhere. If winphone can manage it with me, it is all nifty. Say, internal company NDK access is already godo enough for starter.12:27
RST38hVenemo: well, 1) no ability to compile existing code and 2) awful performance12:27
djszapiC# is much more oop than C++ :)12:28
Venemoyeah, agreed djszapi12:28
RST38hSmallTalk is OOP. C#, Java, C++ are all fake OOP.12:28
VenemoRST38h, 1) dead easy to write new code 2) good performance12:28
RST38hSo, if you are really bent on OOP, use Smalltalk. :)12:28
RST38hVenemo: Not interested in writing throwaway code12:29
djszapiRST38h: yeah, practical advice on the current mobile market...12:29
RST38hVenemo: Not economical. Got Chinese for that.12:29
RST38hVenemo: And no, performance will not be the same as native, sorry12:29
djszapiRST38h: not the same != awful !!!12:30
RST38hdjszapi: For me, there is a ==12:30
RST38hfor the applications I am working on anyway12:30
djszapiok, you completely lost me, sorry :)12:30
djszapiVenemo: anyway, I think you got my idea and approach about it.12:30
RST38hThese 30% of performance you are losing do make a difference.12:30
djszapixarcass: not sure, could you please ask on the mailing list ?12:31
xarcassdjszapi: i asked just out of curiosity, we were planning to port our app to this platform some time ago, but gave up for the lack of multimedia support12:32
djszapixarcass: Neccesitas is not perfect yet, feel free to be involved in.12:33
djszapiit is not driven by N, nor I.12:33
djszapinor G.12:33
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xarcassdjszapi: i'm more an application programmer. all these huge frameworks scare shit out of me, unfortunately. i've come to this world from microcontrollers, so i'm still afraid of all these gigabytes of source code. but maybe, i'll give it a try. it could require to overcome my hate for java and android though..12:36
RST38hSo, what is it driven by?12:38
djszapiRST38h: magic xD12:38
djszapixarcass: I see, I was also coming from that world.. You can use Qt btw, no need for java ;-)12:39
VenemoRST38h, not true. it is JIT-compiled12:39
RST38hVenemo: Rrright. And you think it makes it as fast as C++? :)12:39
djszapiQt is not that fast as STL, we still use Qt....12:40
djszapihow cares about O(1) which is negligible in your application for instance, but you are getting all the gains ?12:40
RST38hVenemo: To avoid further discussion (which is kinda boring nowadays), consider accssing a variable in C# or Java. Every access is going to be two pointer lookups.12:41
RST38hdjszapi: You do understand that O(10000000000) is still considered "the same" as O(1) by computer science (i.e. runs in constant time) but in practice there is a lot of difference?12:42
wazdheya all12:42
djszapino, I heavily disagree. I was developing a lot with mono, no real performance drawback ever.12:42
RST38hdjszapi: also see: media decoding and encoding, emulation, games logic, games rendering, etc12:42
wazdagain :P12:43
RST38hmoo wazd12:43
wazdRST38h: o/12:43
djszapiRST38h: what about those ? Fail to see why those could not be achieved by having access to the NDK...12:44
djszapiwhich /is/ possibly for certain companies, anyway.12:44
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djszapibut that is just so obvious.12:45
djszapithose niches would be better done in native code.12:45
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* Arkenoi have seen only one mono application, tomboy. Hell, it sucks! Literally, it sucks memory, can waste several Gbs per week.12:48
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djszapiN9arkenoi, so memleak is the provlem a language, and not the developer ?12:52
djszapiN9of a*12:52
Arkenoinever seen any other mono app, so can't tell12:52
djszapiN9it is not a language issue. Bad application can be written in any language12:53
Arkenoibut seems that in some languages (like Java) application has much "better" chance to be bad12:55
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DocScrutinizerI only noticed mono when my desktop came to a grinding halt because some fools decided to crate processes named *.exe which were or had child called mono14:41
DocScrutinizerand this was NOT a windoze box14:41
DocScrutinizerplain linux14:41
DocScrutinizerwhere that app that used mono and *.exe processes was just driving the 500MB RAM system into swap hell14:42
DocScrutinizerso that's really all I need to know about mono, it's origin, and the mindset of developers cheerful about it14:44
VenemoDocScrutinizer, you told that story a long ago, and even then you admitted that this happened long ago...14:46
DocScrutinizeryou think time can change your roots?14:47
VenemoI think time, and the replacement of their various core components since then, can change performance.14:47
DocScrutinizerI'm not interested about performance of a system that has a broken design goal from beginning14:49
VenemoI see.14:50
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Venemo_N950~seen djszapi16:19
infobotdjszapi <~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 3h 34m 11s ago, saying: 'those niches would be better done in native code.'.16:19
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: sup16:52
rm_worki forget what you said last time i asked -- are you giving up on SnapGo or whatever it's called?16:52
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GeneralAntillesrm_work, nope16:55
GeneralAntillesJust sidetracked with work, school and some other side endeavors.16:55
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rm_workGeneralAntilles: i'm not sure how enthused i am about N9 stuff anymore...17:07
rm_worksince they're basically not releasing the phone in any major english speaking countries T_T17:08
Stskeepsthe phone is actually only in chinese17:08
rm_workthe secret is finally revealed! :P17:09
rm_workstill eagerly anticipating a firmware release for N950 to fix the major bugs that make it hard to use17:09
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Jaffarm_work: I know what you mean. If I write an app, who's going to be able to use it?17:17
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Jaffarm_work: And I've had to stop using the N950 as my day-to-day phone (which I've been doing since I got it) due to weird incoming call bugs.17:17
Arkenoiwhich bugs?17:18
RST38hrm_you: that harmattan repo - it is not really encrypted17:18
RST38hrm_you: here is a deb line for it (for adding to PackRat): deb free non-free17:19
RST38hrm_you: The stuff is in
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rm_workJaffa: yep17:27
rm_workJaffa: i can barely use it for outgoing calls since 90% of the time the phone is just a black screen so i can't hang up or press buttons for automated systems (no voicemail for me!)17:27
rm_workJaffa: and recently i have been literally holding my phone staring at it waiting for a call and then a "missed call" and "voicemail!" alert comes up17:28
rm_workand i'm like "WHAT"17:28
rm_workRST38h: ok i'll add it17:28
RST38hrm_work: thanks, should keep that complaining guy happy17:28
jreznikrm_work: you're lucky you can call at all (even the black screen bug) as the n950 signal reception is really horrible...17:29
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rm_workjreznik: it's true, switched from n950 to n900 while standing in line at PAX, and my signal went from almost nothing to almost full bars :(17:30
rm_workalso it got stuck in airplane mode somehow when i was flying back.... had to reboot it to get it to turn on cellmodem again17:30
jreznikrm_work: iphone like behaviour :) you can't hold your phone to call17:31
RST38hsays "developer edition" for a reason...17:31
rm_workRST38h: and I started this convo with:17:31
jreznikRST38h: I understand completely, unfortunatelly I can't use it for development right now - no XMPP...17:31
rm_work<rm_work> still eagerly anticipating a firmware release for N950 to fix the major bugs that make it hard to use17:31
RST38hrm_work; s/hard/impossible =)17:31
javispedrojreznik: there won't be XMPP in the final device either17:31
javispedrojreznik: just Google Talk.17:32
RST38hand the comm plugin api is not documented?17:32
javispedroyes, it is fixable.17:32
jreznikjavispedro: really??? why? (it's like web os...)17:32
javispedroI'm waiting for someone to do it :)17:32
jreznikjavispedro: so maybe I can use our pre-telepathy branch with libiris...17:33
javispedrojreznik: blablablabla designers blablabla reduce accounts screen clutter blablabla17:33
javispedrojreznik: no, telepathy is fine, you just can't add the account.17:33
divanjavispedro, how do you know there won't be xmpp?17:33
jreznikjavispedro: but then it does not make sense - telepathy is there but no account = useless17:34
javispedrojreznik: it is used for gtalk17:34
jreznikjavispedro: yep, but for me :)17:35
dm8tbrjreznik: you can add it manually17:35
javispedroor you can develop the accounts-ui plugin17:35
dm8tbrjreznik: search for me mentioning the two-liner how to do that17:35
jreznikjavispedro: yep, sounds like the way - to add an account within the app itself17:35
dm8tbrI actually already checked and there is a rudimentary account plugin example somewhere17:35
javispedroyeah, I mentioned it also on this channel17:36
javispedrosomeone made some sms bridge or similar17:36
javispedros/someone/some guy17:36
jreznikit's just the more work and you lost integration but...17:36
javispedroand his code was on gitorious17:36
javispedrojreznik: if you make the plugin you need not lose integration at all17:37
jreznikjavispedro: ok, I'll take a look, thanks... other guy did the telepathy port so I'm not so skilled in it (for me it's nice but overcomplex stuff ;-)17:38
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razvanpetruanother QML layout issue: anchors.leftMargin doesn't do anything for Column > Label. Anyone seen this?17:48
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artemmdidn't see exactly this thing, but usually positioners are quite hard regarding inner content positioning and try overrirding if they can17:49
razvanpetruwell, a Column's job in my view is setting the Y17:50
razvanpetruotherwise, I don't see why it would want to screw around with my other positioning17:50
razvanpetruqml complicates some things that were easy with layouts17:55
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razvanpetruit doesn't even work if I stick it inside a Rect, so strange...18:01
* Venemo_N950 wants new software for the N95018:02
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evilJazzrazvanpetru, did you use anchors.fill: parent on the Label in the Rect ?18:05
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razvanpetrunope, do I have to?18:06
razvanpetruI kind of expect QML to work like HTML and CSS18:07
evilJazzwell, you have to at least set an anchor to the left side for the left margin to work I think18:07
razvanpetruthe box model I mean18:08
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, then you expect wrong18:08
razvanpetruseems so18:08
Venemo_N950it is not html, nor css, and does not work like them18:08
evilJazzif you compare to CSS it's more like padding there, i.e inside the box18:09
evilJazzthere is also the spacing property in Column. Perhaps that is suitable for your purpose?18:10
Venemo_N950yeah, but QML elements don't by default work like html+css's 'box model'18:11
razvanpetruevilJazz, that's for vertical spacing18:11
razvanpetruI want to indent a silly Label compared to a TextInput18:11
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, what is it that you want to achieve exactly?18:11
razvanpetruand I foolisly thought it would be as simple as anchors.leftMargin: 1018:11
razvanpetruVenemo: see above18:11
evilJazzrazvanpetru, okay, I see18:11
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Venemo_N950razvanpetru, seems that I joined later than you wrote that18:12
Venemo_N950but... you need to anchor the item to something, before you can set a margin in that direction18:12
Venemo_N950eg. anchors.left: myOtherElement.right; anchors.leftMargin: 1018:13
Venemo_N950or you could put 'em inside a Row or Column item18:13
razvanpetruthis fails spectacularly:18:13
razvanpetruRectangle {  color: "red" width: parent.width   height: lblFirstName.height anchors.leftMargin: 10    Label {    id: lblFirstName   anchors.left: parent.left   text: qsTr("First name")  }     }18:14
razvanpetruthe path to the rect is Sheet > Item > Flickable > Column18:14
Venemo_N950well, I have similar stuff, feel free to look at my code... I'm still not sure what exactly you want to achieve18:16
evilJazzI am currently experiencing problems with nested vertical ListViews inside a fullscreen horizontal ListView. It seems on Harmattan the mouse events get swallowed somewhere during flicking. The same thing does not happen on my workstation and N900. Anyone else experiencing this?18:17
razvanpetruahhh... are you trying to implement a flickable page view?18:18
razvanpetruI was kind of wondering how that's done18:18
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, ahm, ok, I see your code. what's the error?18:18
razvanpetruno error, it's just that the Label is shown at exactly the same indentation as the item below it18:18
razvanpetruwhereas it should be 10px to the right18:18
evilJazzit is working on all other platforms but not on Harmattan. I think it might be a bug, I plan on distilling a testcase tonight and submit a bugreport.18:18
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, what's the point of the rectangle item?18:19
razvanpetruevilJazz: do your pages work like the three harmattan main screens?18:19
Venemo_N950evilJazz, ask in #qt-qml18:19
razvanpetruVenemo: to try to hack the Label to move to the right18:19
evilJazzrazvanpetru, yep18:19
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, ok. I got an idea.18:20
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razvanpetruand do the vertical lists follow the screen or is it like Symbian homscreen pre-anna?18:20
evilJazzVenemo_N950, thanks for guidance. Will ask there18:20
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, 1) delete anchors.leftmargin from the rectangle18:20
razvanpetruevilJazz: I mean - do you have to swipe to get to next page, or do you drag it and it immediately follows the finger18:20
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, 2) add anchors.fill: parent into the label and delete the left anchor18:21
evilJazzrazvanpetru, you drag it and it follows, not like pre-Anna, more like Anna-style18:21
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, 3) add anchors.leftMargin: 10 to the label18:21
razvanpetruevilJazz - so identical to 3 homescreens, very cool18:21
Venemo_N950razvanpetru, that should work.18:21
razvanpetruIMO it should work too18:22
razvanpetruit sort of works now that I look at it18:23
Venemo_N950sort of?18:23
razvanpetruthe rectangle becomes transparent and there is not spacing between it and the item below18:23
razvanpetruso the label is 10px to the right, but it touches the TextInput below it18:24
razvanpetruI guess the red is hidden by the label filling the rect18:24
razvanpetruand the problem is that height: can't be lbl.height any more18:24
razvanpetrubecause lbl is filling the parent18:24
Venemo_N950agreed, so delete it.18:25
razvanpetruI have to set height manually it seems18:27
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razvanpetruhere's what I did: removed the Rectangle and set anchors.left: parent.left and anchors.leftMargin: 1018:31
Venemo_N950ok, nice :)18:32
razvanpetruthanks ;)18:33
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GeneralAntillesrm_work, yeah, it's a bit of a joke at this point.19:36
rm_workso sad19:37
rm_workand now Internet Tablets are really taking off19:37
rm_workand Nokia could have been the pioneer19:37
GeneralAntillesrm_work, what it's coming down to now is "Is it still fun?"19:37
GeneralAntillesFor me, the answer is still yes.19:37
GeneralAntillesBut I don't expect much for the near future.19:37
rm_workit's still cool, and a bit fun19:37
rm_workbut starting to get depressing19:37
rm_workbecause it's obvious that this phone doesn't even have a fair chance19:38
rm_workthe politics of things will ensure it dies no matter what happens19:38
javispedrohey, at least, you'll not make any false hopes now.19:38
javispedroit's dead before release :)19:39
javispedrono way to make it worse with lack of updates, lack of advertisements, lack of commercial applications,...19:39
GeneralAntillesIt's surreal the amount of money they're flushing down the drain.19:40
Venemorm_work, Nokia were fools to let go of the internet tablet market, 100% of which they owned in 200619:40
rm_workand just now people are catching up to where they were back then19:41
Venemothey basically INVENTED the term "internet tablet"19:41
Venemowell, they are fools.19:41
rm_workand now it's a whole genre on Newegg19:41
VenemoNewegg? what is that?19:41
GeneralAntillesNo viable alternatives is the worst part.19:42
VenemoGeneralAntilles, agreed.19:42
rm_workare you kidding? or... is Newegg only a US thing?19:42
GeneralAntillesThe market now really is just iOS, Android and a (distant) Windows Phone.19:42
GeneralAntillesrm_work, US and Canada19:42
rm_worki thought newegg was global19:42
GeneralAntillesWhich is scary on a lot of levels.19:42
rm_workVenemo: is *the* place to buy electronics in the US19:43
VenemoGeneralAntilles, some people think that android is a viable alternative, but I don't think so. :(19:43
Venemorm_work, aaah, sorry, I don't live in the US19:43
rm_workyeah, i didn't realize newegg was US only19:43
Venemothere are "Electroworld", "Euronics", and such named shops here19:43
GeneralAntillesVenemo, I'm sorry. I've used Android19:43
GeneralAntillesI know Google19:43
rm_workbbl, lunch19:43
GeneralAntillesI know exactly how evil a platform it is.19:43
GeneralAntillesrm_work, and Canada19:44
VenemoGeneralAntilles, well, I "know" google too, that's why I don't think it's a viable alternative19:44
javispedroand they don't have touchpads (the only reason the name Newegg rings a bell here :) )19:44
rm_workGeneralAntilles: like i said, US only19:44
GeneralAntillesrm_work, don't let fiferboy hear you say that. :P19:45
VenemoI would be happy to buy a 7" tablet with a hw keyboard and a mechanism similar to N97/N95019:45
Venemobut there are not even hw keyboard tablets nowadays19:45
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Venemogood old N810 comes into my mind, and I break into tears... If someome could squeeze some better hardware into that casing...19:45
rm_workwith tablets i just carry a BT travel keyboard19:45
rm_worksince a tablet isn't a pocket thing anyway, it'd have a case / backpack19:46
* RST38h yawns19:47
rm_work(well, at 7" it isn't a pocket thing... and the ones worth buying are mostly 10.1")19:47
* RST38h wants 5"19:48
Venemowell, I can imagine 7" to be usable on public transport, but 10" is definitely not.19:49
RST38hif it is made of aluminium, you can hit people on the head with it and grab their purses19:51
VenemoLoL RST38h19:51
berndhsif it has an "i" on it, you dont have to hit them, they just give you their purses19:53
RST38hbut only if you are Steve Jobs19:54
berndhsyou can say you work for Steve19:54
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fiferboyJust got my first "Device is malfunctioning" screen! :)20:04
Stskeepscongrats, you're now screwed :)20:04
berndhsmy device malfunctions without such marketing talk, thank you very much :)20:05
javispedrofiferboy: bah, I collect those too.20:06
fiferboyERROR: Failed to flash images20:06
fiferboyAh, not enough battery to flash20:07
fiferboyAnd all of a sudden it is rebooting without a reflash and everything it fine o_O20:10
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Khertanhi all20:15
hiemanshuhey Khertan20:15
Khertani found pyqt4 coding fun ... but not the case anymore with qml. Am i the only one ?20:17
Khertanhiemanshu, hi20:17
hiemanshuKhertan: how is the app going on?20:18
hiemanshuwell, I am having fun with QML20:18
hiemanshuonce you learn it, its a job ride :)20:18
Khertanslow devel ... doing preference ui borring me20:19
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Khertansorry disconnected20:25
Khertani m in the metro20:25
Khertanhiemanshu, so devel of app progress slowly20:28
Khertanqml is less boring using qtcreator completion buy20:28
hiemanshuah well yeah20:28
Khertanbut not available on device20:28
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Khertanand i don't see how to do such completion on khteditor :)20:29
Khertanwithout slowing down too much the device20:29
hiemanshuwell, you could implement it20:30
Khertanalso i m looking for a way to load dynamically to create qml pref panel20:32
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fiferboyOk, so I have run into my first aegis related road block20:40
fiferboyI had to replace a system package that runs a service with my own version of it20:40
fiferboyNow the service won't stay running20:41
fiferboyAny way around this?20:41
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Khertansomeone have already write a font selector in qml ?20:46
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ajalkaneSo my wife got Samsung Galaxy SII today, and I've had some time to play with it. Wicked device. Everything's fast and fluid.21:29
ajalkaneAnd it's just filled with features. MeeGo Harmattan feels barren and simplistic in comparison.21:31
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berndhssend it to me, i'll port meego to it21:31
ajalkaneBut you know what... It also still ferls boring to use compared to n95021:32
ajalkaneI think my wife would go berzerk if I sent her new toy away. She just installed angry birds to it.21:33
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M4rtinKdjszapi, rZr: looks like my submit request for the (hopefully) working GTK package to to coemmunity repo is still pending :)22:20
djszapiM4rtinK: I am a relocation, quite busy nowadays, sorry. Could you please push it directly ?22:21
djszapi* in a relocation22:21
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M4rtinKdjszapi: so basically delete the previous package and replace with a branch from my repo ?22:57
djszapiM4rtinK: I am busy, rzr is on vacation. Best way to proceed is to push the shared repository without any branch. If the need raises for removal, we shall do it.22:58
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rZri am arround23:04
rZrM4rtinK: the pb is broken obs no ?23:04
djszapino, it is not23:05
rZrM4rtinK: let me add you as the new boss of that repo23:06
djszapirzr: he was already added iirc23:06
rZrthat's what i thought
rZrM4rtinK: next time you can accept your requests23:07
djszapiM4rtinK: no need to make a request until we have enough manpowers for reviews.23:08
M4rtinKmight be X-Fade doing some modifications23:18
M4rtinKanybody tried to ask him in #meego ?23:18
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rZrI saw some messages to him23:21
rZranyway do you know the feeds app ? mine refuse to shows up again23:21
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artemmWhat does ":-1: error: Connection error: Timeout waiting for reply from server." mean?23:32
artemmI am getting it more and more often when trying to deploy to N95023:33
artemmfrom Qt Creator23:33
artemmand the compile log ends with the following:23:34
artemmStarted uploading file '/Users/artem/WorkArea/Dropbox/discountcalc/trunk/discountcalcharmattanapp-build-harmattan/discountcalcharmattanapp_1_0_0_armel.deb'.23:34
artemmError while building project discountcalcharmattanapp (target: Harmattan)23:34
artemmWhen executing build step 'Deploy to Harmattan device'23:34
artemm*checking link23:35
artemmthanks rZr23:35
rZrthis is not related :)23:36
artemmOh, I think that was not for me. Seems to be unrelated\23:36
evilJazzweird error message, never had that while deploying to my N95023:36
evilJazzssh connection and ping to the device works?23:37
artemmSome time in the past I had it already. Was fixed by rebooting the device.. or laptop. Something was rebooted for sure23:37
artemmnow it doesn't help23:37
artemmTest from QtCreator preferences works fine23:37
evilJazzperhaps some dangling package installations in dpkg/apt-get ?23:38
evilJazzbut that error message looks more like the separate upload port that is being opened when deploying23:39
artemmyeah probably23:39
djszapiqtcreator is scary :)23:39
artemmI just fixed it by cleaning the build directory23:39
artemmwhat I did before that I reorganized the package structure a little23:39
artemmClean doesn't seem to create intermediate artifacts and something was messed up23:40
artemmNow I have errors again, but more "normal" ones though still strange23:40
artemmdpkg: error processing /home/developer/discountcalcharmattanapp_1_0_0_armel.deb (--install):23:40
artemm corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive23:40
artemmand package structure seems to be wrong..23:41
artemmok, will continue when I get concrete question or solution23:41
evilJazzI spend a whole weekend trying to figure out why aegis was rejecting my package with error message "blahblah is not installed by this package". Turned out the package had some very weird filenames in it (thanks to my Mac) that somehow caused aegis to be unable to read the package content correctly.23:42
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djszapievilJazz: steps to reproduce ?23:43
djszapiaegis does not really care about filenames...23:44
djszapiin that sense...23:44
artemmI noticed that Creator's wizard also behaves strange with special chars on Mac at least - so maybe that's system common attitude :)23:44
artemmI created a project with dash in its name "-" and now in a hell a lot of places sometimes things are with dash, sometimes without23:45
djszapiplease please please provide steps, otherwise we cannot proceed...23:46
djszapi(Also, without reproducing description, I cannot even take it too seriously).23:47
evilJazzjust a second, I need to find the old version that contains the test data that were causing the issue23:47
djszapibe careful about blaming aegis without real facts.23:49
djszapi"weird" files names have nothing to do with "aegis" (should be precise: dpkg wrapper), that is a plain dpkg real operation.23:50
djszapiHence if dpkg is buggy on Mac, I recommend to file a bug against upstream.23:52
evilJazzwell, the error message came from aegis23:52
djszapiso what ?23:53
djszapiif application A has an error reporting system, it is not equal to that, the problem is in A, if it uses more underlying components.23:53
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