| rzr | sorry I'll dont have time to look at it , ping me in a month :) | 00:01 |
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| djszapi_ | when I will be in the US, no go I deal with packaging there :p | 00:02 |
| rzr | vacations too ? | 00:02 |
| rzr | well it will be hard for me to help you when I'll be in a jungle fighting againts bugs w/ my 950 light at night | 00:04 |
| djszapi_ | a real bug wrangler does not complain :p | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fighting bugs != fighting bugs ;-) | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | fighting real bugs can distract you from fighting the bugs you are used to kill with your kbd | 00:41 |
| rZr | :) | 01:04 |
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| thp | hmm if i write my own fullscreen QWidget (for whatever reason..), swiping won't work? how can i turn this on for that window (QWidget subclass)? | 01:38 |
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| BrettQ | are the exact hardware s | 03:37 |
| BrettQ | are ten hardware specs for the N950 online anywhere? | 03:38 |
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| special | BrettQ: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950-3997.php should be accurate | 03:39 |
| BrettQ | thanks | 03:40 |
| BrettQ | at least that gives the CPU model | 03:41 |
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| special | /proc/cpuinfo says "SoC Info: OMAP3630 ES1.2-hs" | 03:42 |
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| rantom | There's no way to copy/paste/open links in terminal? | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though somebody been working on a *real* xterm program afaik | 09:52 |
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| rzr` | DocScrutinizer: not sure a xterm port would gain en ergonomy | 09:59 |
| rzr` | rantom: that feat is planned IICR | 10:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rzr`: I used xterm in the most general sense | 10:01 |
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| rzr` | maybe we should rebuild https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, somebody been doing sth like that | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | also to offer multiple instances | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably picking a reasonable qualifier+cursorkey combo for highlighting and another two keycombos for C & P would be the easiest to implement and most usable solution to the issue | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I still can't see how to highlight text on a c-ts without starting to shout swearwords each time | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe a generic kbd-mouse could be the solution for so many problems of this class | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shift+@ to toggle on/off mouse-mode, in mouse mode use the 4 cursor keys to move mouse cursor, user Fn|Sh|SYM as the L|M|R-MB | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw Fn-@ and Sh-@ both map to /, well done | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 10:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same for \ | 10:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | let's hope remapping the hw keys is as "easy" as it is in fremantle (me glares at aegis) | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | protecting /etc/* unconditionally against edits, wtf?! 95% of my tweaking to make any system work the way I need are done in /etc | 10:23 |
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| xarcass | is there some way to undo sync operation? i've lost almost all my contacts accidentally.. | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | It oesn't seem wise to me to use a preproduction prototype on real valuable data that not even has a backup | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw kudos Nokia, for shipping HARM without any advice less any obvious means to backup those development devices. Will teach those lazy developers to properly document and maybe even script all their installation steps | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | now if only I knew how to script entering contacts | 11:28 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Could someone tell me a use case when someone would like to use iptable on the phone ? | 11:29 |
| flux | djszapi, if you have a vpn connection on the device, you might want to allow connections over vpn, but not over other networks | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mobile hotspot | 11:29 |
| flux | traffic accounting | 11:30 |
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| djszapi | I am asking it because iptable would like to have NET_ADMIN credential which is again something very powerful. | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes I think there's a valid demand for alternative AP apps than just joghurt sport | 11:30 |
| flux | traffic control is done with iptables (and iproute2) | 11:31 |
| flux | but I guess those could be 'pre tuned' for optimal values | 11:31 |
| flux | djszapi, does ip routing not have NET_ADMIN? | 11:31 |
| djszapi | flux: sure, but we are now discussing the community projects. Packages from trusted sources can ask for that credential. | 11:31 |
| flux | (or require) | 11:31 |
| flux | djszapi, I would very much like to see openvpn on n9, given that I use it a lot in n900 | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, now I found another point why security frameworks suck by design: those defining the ruleset have to be universal experts - hard to find that qualification | 11:32 |
| djszapi | flux: I am not sure about ip routing, someone needs to test it | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | basicaly a security framework as in TC always is about depriving developers and users of permissions. Who's going to decide which permissions a user / developer / package might need today? tomorrow? in 18 months? | 11:34 |
| flux | well, it also requires configuring ip devices (ie. tun or tap?), I doubt those can be done without NET_ADMIN | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt any decent sustained high level development can exist without access to *all* permissions | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if there wasn't any need for the function/permission then linux wouldn't even provide the API | 11:36 |
| djszapi | flux: please test those when you have sake and time. Please let me know your findings. We are about to drop it, if it is unneccesary. Unfortunately, there is not much manpower for it right now | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll send the sake ;-D | 11:38 |
| lcuk | djszapi, a couple of developers timoph and vgrade have both gotten kde plasma working on MeeGo :D | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | in other words: there is *always* an existing usecase, there's *always* an app with a valid requirement for that particular credential, no matter what's the particular credential | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | restricting set of available credentials for developers cripples and finally kills the platform | 11:41 |
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| djszapi | lcuk: you mean plasma active | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always thought the concept of developer-mode got created just because the MSSF crew had a thorough understanding of these problems | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not | 11:43 |
| lcuk | djszapi, yes | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | to make long story short: if it would've been done correctly, aegis would've allowed to create a package "mobile hotspot" that can run on developer machines even without installing a new kernel, but on consumer machines the same package can get installed only after proper official QA, from a trusted source | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | .. why are we discussing aegis all the time? it is getting a bit annoying - i think mostly everyone think it's crap, but there's other areas to work on, like, app development | 11:47 |
| lcuk | ++ | 11:49 |
| djszapi | lcuk: sorry, but no time for tablets, mainly with meego. :) I am nowadays more into the android-qt project. | 11:49 |
| lcuk | djszapi, I was trying to pass on positive news since you are a kde guy | 11:49 |
| lcuk | and since you spent so long building kdelibs in the obs | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: maybe because djszapi drops in asking if the aegis team may kill NET_ADMIN ? | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i have djszapi on ignore for various good reasons | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and THIS is what gets annoying: it's aegis itself and the hurdles it builds up that gets annoying, not the discussion why it's annoying is what is annoying | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but there's other things in life :P | 11:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, like somebody right this moment considers porting mobile-hotspot app to HARM and has to learn aegis will kill this effort at the roots | 11:55 |
| wazd | hi all | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | mornin | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for the very sound reason Nokia MSSF team can't figure an app that needs NET_ADMIN | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | what's wrong with the one coming with device, out of curiousity? | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, mobile hotspot app is confirmed to be present and working on N9 | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckit | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I don't like the smell of that thing | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I have an idea to build a BETTER app | 11:58 |
| djszapi | lcuk: yes, but native application might make more sense and easier for Harmattan. | 11:58 |
| djszapi | "native" as in using only kdelibs, not the whole plasma active (at least for starter) | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I can't do that because MSSF thinks there's already joghurtsport so nobody should be allowed to develop sth similar | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, we're all prisoners of MSSF and Nokia, and we're allowed to glue paperbags for two hours a day, or commit mental suicide | 12:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, in that case, you chech the manifest file of the original app and copy the necessary stuff | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see <djszapi> flux: sure, but we are now discussing the community projects. Packages from trusted sources can ask for that credential. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | This MSSF? http://www.mssf.org/ | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are NOT a trusted source, just in case you haven't noticed that yet | 12:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, so it's not that simple? meh. | 12:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | I'm not trusted? nonsense | 12:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | they trusted me with an N950, doesn't that make me a trusted source? | 12:03 |
| RST38h | no | 12:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh | 12:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: heard bout PayPal? :) | 12:04 |
| wazd | RST38h: moo | 12:04 |
| flux | venemo_n950, they didn't trust you with an N950 and an r&d certificate ;) | 12:04 |
| RST38h | In fact, the very fact that you asked for an N950 makes you untrusted. You should have asked for a WP7 phone instead to be consiedered for any trust | 12:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: moo indeed! | 12:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehh | 12:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: yes. but the fees they charge make them unfeasible. | 12:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, wp7 is very primitive stuff | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | "The Mycological Society of San Francisco was founded in 1950 to promote the understanding and enjoyment of mushrooms and other fungi." | 12:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | but I considered asking for a wp7 device | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Venemo: See? A detractor. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | A non believer. | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I expected an "...and other drugs" ;-P | 12:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, even if meego succeeds in the long term, I think I have better chance of making some short-term profit on wp7 | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Doc: Pretty much expected the same... | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | which meego? to succeed on which device class? phnoe??? | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | phone even | 12:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, these are old news already. It was a mistake, no PayPal for Russia :P | 12:08 |
| wazd | Anyway, can anybody please point me at an example of searchable list? Like Contacts have? | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, any. | 12:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, MeeGo currently have not succeeded in anything but netbooks. | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, in negacion brackets it's for sure a sane assumption | 12:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, so if I make some paid apps for wp7, I have 1) more devices to target 2) more potential users | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 12:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | than meego, maemo, and harmattan together | 12:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | this is a sad fact :( | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably even less headache than with this aegis coffin | 12:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe | 12:12 |
| Arkenoi | i hardly call what meego has ont netbooks "success" | 12:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | dunno, headache is still there | 12:12 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, I seriously doubt that. it's just people already have an unlocked version around, but for wp7 they'll never see it :) | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? unlocked version? please elaborate | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my book it seems even our developer devices are more locked down each day I listen to the new ideas of Nokia's MSSF team | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure they use this channel as a information source of what to close down more | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | probably have a game going on how to piss off DocScrutinizer ;) | 12:15 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, ie. n900 | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what they don't know though is I'm taking this into account and manipulate them to make HARM fail epically | 12:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: oh | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | My only regret will be I'll never get to see a video of the moment when the "inventor" of MSSF has to admit to the CEO that it's basically been the insane security setup that killed the N950 | 12:18 |
| RST38h | But you know it is not going to be MSSF that has killed N950, right? | 12:18 |
| RST38h | But the CEO himself, basically | 12:19 |
| wazd | Seriously, I need that list :P | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah just strikes me this might actually be a video I don't like to watch, as that guy probably gets a warm handshake and a Rolex and a check from CEO, plus a "well done, mission accomplished" | 12:20 |
| wazd | Sorry for off-topic :D | 12:20 |
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| Arkenoi | i was told there is flash player that works with fennec, is it true? | 12:50 |
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| Venemo_N950 | dunno, maybe the one from N900? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | hardfp vs softfp, not going to work sanely | 12:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhmm | 12:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | not sure if flash uses floats | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure it would | 12:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, hardfp only matters when passing fp values in/out of the binary | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yess, but occasionally you do need to use libm ;) | 13:00 |
| alterego | The flash vm can be compiled to use floats, a lot of versions don't. | 13:00 |
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| alterego | One big tell tale is the "lite" versions, which I don't think have float optimizations compiled in to the code. | 13:00 |
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| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 13:01 |
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| xarcass | is there some way to reanimate N950 after reflashing, apart from switching it on and off few thousand times? | 13:06 |
| aslani | xarcass: did you read http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4373 ? | 13:07 |
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| xarcass | aslani: i knew this long ago, but thanks all the same :) i've tried both today. it always works in the end. but just after reflashing i have to switch it on/off for about 50 times. that's sick | 13:09 |
| aslani | hmps :( | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | never happened for e | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | me | 13:11 |
| xarcass | good for you | 13:12 |
| * xarcass was really scared when this happened first time | 13:12 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Mine is doing something else - I can't login to nokia accounts. | 13:17 |
| * xarcass thinks to hire a monkey to switch n950 on and off after reflashing | 13:21 | |
| * Arkenoi reflashed smoothly, with quick eraser version | 13:22 | |
| * Arkenoi wonders if new firmware is going to be available to general public soon | 13:22 | |
| Arkenoi | given "general public" refers to 300 users i do not see a single reason to delay | 13:23 |
| artemm | well, I don't mind if new firmware gets tested for a week or so on the internal monkeys first :) | 13:23 |
| artemm | easier to bring veterinary to those | 13:23 |
| Arkenoi | more than month already | 13:23 |
| xarcass | well, i know that most people don't have this issue. but i also know that i'm not alone: i've seen posts on some forums with exactly same problem | 13:24 |
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| hiemanshu | where is the source for the boosted Widget gallery? | 14:11 |
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| dm8tbr | I think CE has something similar so it should be up | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | QML or meegotouch? | 14:15 |
| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: I think the meegotouch one | 14:16 |
| hiemanshu | its named Boosted WG | 14:16 |
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| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: I need to get the code for that part that sends the dbus query to create a new notification | 14:22 |
| hiemanshu | there is an example in the boosted WG | 14:22 |
| Venemo_N950 | source code of boosted wg would be welcome | 14:23 |
| Venemo_N950 | and of course | 14:23 |
| * Venemo_N950 wants new software for N950 | 14:24 | |
| Stskeeps | it should be in meegotouch-demos or something | 14:24 |
| * hiemanshu checks | 14:25 | |
| Venemo_N950 | srsly, it's end of summer already. mewants new sw | 14:25 |
| hiemanshu | lol | 14:26 |
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| hiemanshu | Stskeeps: ugh, that uses MNotification :/ | 14:39 |
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| * xarcass reanimated n950 after 2 hours of stupid pressing the power button again and again | 14:42 | |
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| flux | xarcass, maybe you could solder the switch into a pc or something :) | 14:55 |
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| hiemanshu | \o/ click to query user works | 14:55 |
| flux | xarcass, ..or a strategically placed cd-drive .. | 14:56 |
| xarcass | well, i'm certified hardware designer, so i know how these things can be made :) it's just not my personal phone, otherwise i would have done this already | 14:56 |
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| faenil | guys | 15:03 |
| faenil | will Qt Dev Days Munich be held in German? | 15:03 |
| faenil | German language | 15:03 |
| faenil | ? | 15:03 |
| leinir | faenil: the ones i've been to have been English :) | 15:04 |
| leinir | Why? :) | 15:04 |
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| faenil | a friend of mine told me it's in german | 15:08 |
| berndhs | they saw leinir coming and started speaking english ? | 15:08 |
| faenil | but I'm very doubtful | 15:08 |
| faenil | it would be stupid...only for german speaking people ... | 15:08 |
| leinir | It's in Germany, but all the presentations and a great deal of the people there aren't German... so the official language of the event is English :) | 15:09 |
| faenil | right...thanks for the confirm | 15:10 |
| faenil | it would have been weird | 15:11 |
| faenil | :) | 15:11 |
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| hiemanshu | hey captainigloo | 15:22 |
| hiemanshu | err | 15:22 |
| hiemanshu | hey cpscotti | 15:22 |
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| hiemanshu | lol | 15:23 |
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| hiemanshu | you can use MNotification in harmattan? | 15:29 |
| captainigloo | ? | 15:30 |
| captainigloo | ah ok :) | 15:30 |
| hiemanshu | captainigloo: Tab fail :P | 15:31 |
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| cpscotti | hiemanshu, ahey! me here! | 15:44 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: hey | 15:44 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: well you quit as soon as I said hey :P | 15:45 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: anyways did you test irc-chatter? | 15:45 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, hehe.. I was carriyng my pc around so net kept going on and off | 15:45 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: ah I see | 15:45 |
| cpscotti | hiemanshu, yep, had some fun with it and all the things I tried worked but since you mentioned.. u guys have a new version ? | 15:46 |
| hiemanshu | cpscotti: when was the last time you tested it? | 15:46 |
| cpscotti | oh man, two..three weeks ago I reckon | 15:47 |
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| Arkenoi | which repo is irc-chatter in now? | 15:57 |
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| Andy1210 | hi, how can i generate digsigsums file in scratchbox with dpkg-buildpackage? | 15:58 |
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| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: should be a part of rzr, but you can also grab the package from http://j.mp/qtTjgf (wget it and dpkg it) | 16:03 |
| alterego | .wub 11 | 16:08 |
| hiemanshu | hey alterego | 16:09 |
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| rantom | rZr: ok | 16:15 |
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| Arkenoi | looks great. is there going to be different charset support? | 16:17 |
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| hiemanshu | Arkenoi: yes, a little later though, we are still implementing basic functionality | 16:18 |
| npm | npm | 16:22 |
| npm | oops | 16:22 |
| fiferboy | Is the VKB in Harmattan in git somewhere? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, maliit project | 16:23 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: maliit is what it uses right now? | 16:24 |
| fiferboy | I wasn't sure if that was future direction | 16:24 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, I believe so | 16:24 |
| * lcuk has been looking at many roadmaps recently | 16:24 | |
| lcuk | hope there is a sensible path through for all :) | 16:24 |
| hiemanshu | are there any docs explaining the dbus calls? | 16:31 |
| hiemanshu | or atleast the dbus xml file | 16:31 |
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| Andy1210 | hi, how can i generate digsigsums hash file in scratchbox | 16:42 |
| Andy1210 | ? | 16:42 |
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| fiferboy | ~seen mikhas | 16:49 |
| infobot | mikhas <~michael@p4FC235D0.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 20h 16m 23s ago, saying: 'that's where enums would bring more clarity'. | 16:50 |
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| fiferboy | It makes it hard to test new patched packages (ie Qt Components) when the system packages depend on EXACT package versions instead of minimum versions :( | 16:53 |
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| * fiferboy looks at adding properties to QML VKB for colour theming | 17:00 | |
| faenil | guys shouldn't centerIn be equal to verticalcenter + horizontalcenter? | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Yes | 17:01 |
| faenil | coz the first is not working as expected here :D | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | With what component? | 17:02 |
| faenil | centering text in a rectangle :) | 17:02 |
| fiferboy | faenil: If the text height is equal to the rectangle height it will still be at the top | 17:03 |
| fiferboy | You need to set the verticalAlign, I believe | 17:03 |
| faenil | it's not | 17:04 |
| faenil | rectangle is fullscreen | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | verticalAlign: Text.AlignVCenter | 17:04 |
| faenil | yeah know that | 17:04 |
| berndhs | with text it's not always obvious where the reference line is | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Do you set the text height implicitly? | 17:04 |
| faenil | I'm just setting text :"string" | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | text is a bit strange with it's height, it seems to me | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | You can try setting text height: parent.height and using verticalAlign, though I'm not sure why it would be necessary | 17:05 |
| faenil | exactly :D | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | I had some weirdness vertical centering a label as well :/ | 17:07 |
| berndhs | if you give Text an explicit height, it will align that height, not the text | 17:07 |
| faenil | bensdhs: you agree that it should not be necessary :) | 17:08 |
| berndhs | yes | 17:08 |
| berndhs | you probably want to give it a width | 17:08 |
| berndhs | and then if may wrap and you get varying height | 17:09 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:09 |
| faenil | it's just that text is always a ? in qmkl | 17:09 |
| faenil | qml | 17:09 |
| faenil | you never know when it'll do what you asked for :D | 17:09 |
| berndhs | :) | 17:09 |
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| djszapi | I always forget the way of running a binary with aegis without packaging, someone knows it by hand ? | 17:19 |
| djszapi | /usr/sbin/aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec ahhh ok | 17:19 |
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| * Arkenoi lols | 17:22 | |
| Arkenoi | btw it does not work with some firmware versions | 17:23 |
| trx | I have a basic qml window (PageStackWindow) created by QDeclarativeView. How can i detect when the window is closed? is there such event in QML, like onClosed or onDestroyed, etc ? | 17:25 |
| radiofree | trx: theres Component.onDestruction | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | Or Component.onCompleted | 17:26 |
| radiofree | onCompleleted won't really tell you somethings about to close though :) | 17:26 |
| faenil | what about the swipe in background gesture? is there any signal for that? | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | Oops, sorry that is the startup signal >_> | 17:27 |
| trx | thanks guys | 17:27 |
| faenil | is there signal for the swipe gesture performed on your app? | 17:29 |
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| faenil | I mean the swipe gesture which sends your app to background | 17:30 |
| jreznik_ | faenil: check qml components demo - Visiblity | 17:30 |
| faenil | ok thx I'll give that a look | 17:31 |
| faenil | jreznik_ : I can't find that demo, is it meego related or general? | 17:42 |
| jreznik_ | faenil: one of that green QMLComp... in the app matrix | 17:43 |
| faenil | ohhh k | 17:45 |
| jreznik_ | faenil: and then it's the last one in list "Visibility" | 17:46 |
| faenil | yes already tried it ;) | 17:46 |
| faenil | where's the source to see the name of the property and on which eelement? | 17:46 |
| faenil | seems to be inactive | 17:47 |
| faenil | "inactive" | 17:47 |
| jreznik_ | faenil: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery/qml/VisibilityPage.qml | 17:48 |
| faenil | thanks :) | 17:48 |
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| jreznik | faenil: np :) | 17:49 |
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| djszapi | hiemanshu ping | 18:03 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: pong | 18:03 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: for me, it would make sense to have an add channel button during the initialization of the irc-chatter, before connecting to the server | 18:03 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: there is a auto-connect list | 18:03 |
| djszapi | I typed #channel1 #channe2 manually | 18:03 |
| djszapi | but that did not connect to #channel2 | 18:04 |
| djszapi | I do not care about the syntax as a user | 18:04 |
| djszapi | I would just like to type the channel names | 18:04 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: yes that needs fixing | 18:09 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: and I made a commit today that adds click to query | 18:09 |
| djszapi | right | 18:10 |
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| hiemanshu | djszapi: you wanna test it? | 18:13 |
| djszapi | yep, but no time sorry :) | 18:13 |
| hiemanshu | np | 18:14 |
| hiemanshu | its the same old link, incase you have it | 18:14 |
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| rantom | btw | 18:14 |
| rantom | is there arrow up/down/etc in vkb for terminal? | 18:15 |
| djszapi | not that I am aware of. | 18:15 |
| rantom | haven't noticed, as of yet | 18:15 |
| rantom | damn | 18:15 |
| rantom | doesn't really matter but when i do need it it's PITA to not have it | 18:17 |
| * rantom is practicing for the N9 | 18:17 | |
| djszapi | rantom: there is an option for customizing the layout. | 18:18 |
| djszapi | fwiw | 18:18 |
| rantom | hmm | 18:18 |
| rantom | how? | 18:18 |
| djszapi | ovistore, by an application, please read the log from yesterday for details. I do not recall by heart. | 18:20 |
| djszapi | MesInput | 18:21 |
| razvanpetru | oh yeah, no updown in terminal... | 18:24 |
| razvanpetru | major pain | 18:25 |
| berndhs | i haven't found a way to know when the vkb is obscuring half the screen, where should I look ? | 18:26 |
| djszapi | hi fiferboy =) | 18:27 |
| fiferboy | berndhs: Hang on, I know this one :) | 18:27 |
| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 18:27 |
| w00t_ | libmaliit | 18:27 |
| fiferboy | berndhs: inputContext.softwareInputPanelVisibl | 18:28 |
| fiferboy | e | 18:28 |
| berndhs | let me check that out | 18:30 |
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| rantom | djszapi: thanks | 18:46 |
| rantom | razvanpetru: Well when you mistype the connection it sort of is | 18:46 |
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| mgoetz | i get "Error claiming USB interface: Operation timed out" when trying to use OneClickFlasher on OS X. any ideas? | 18:56 |
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| razvanpetru | Any idea why I can't install the memory analysis tools on my device from "Developer mode"? | 19:12 |
| razvanpetru | says can't install, package not found | 19:13 |
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| Andy1210 | how can i generate digsigsums file in scratchbox? | 19:47 |
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| fiferboy | Looks like maliit is not in our firmware, but it sounds like it will be in the N9? | 19:55 |
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| faenil | I hope we'll get the fw update soon...internal deadline was yesterday | 19:59 |
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| hiemanshu | faenil: for a new fw for us? | 20:00 |
| rantom | hrrrggh | 20:01 |
| rantom | Is it just me or does the auto-fill in vkb suck? | 20:02 |
| faenil | hiemanshu: nope, I think N9 release fw | 20:03 |
| hiemanshu | faenil: ah, well wonder if we'll get anything :P | 20:03 |
| faenil | hiemanshu: hope they care about use at least that bit ... | 20:04 |
| faenil | us* | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | lets how | 20:04 |
| hiemanshu | hope* | 20:04 |
| faenil | about vbk...is there a way to let it auto insert corrected word? | 20:04 |
| rantom | faenil: Yes but I just disabled it | 20:04 |
| faenil | I mean, I always make mistakes with that little portrait qwerty | 20:05 |
| rantom | Settings - Time & language | 20:05 |
| faenil | and it pops up the correct word | 20:05 |
| faenil | but I have to click on it | 20:05 |
| faenil | to choose it, while I'd like it to be auto... | 20:05 |
| rantom | oh, sorry, wrong thing | 20:05 |
| faenil | it's annoying to click on it all the times | 20:05 |
| rantom | I'd like it to be manual | 20:05 |
| rantom | I hate that it was auto | 20:05 |
| faenil | is there a way? | 20:06 |
| rantom | I typed in Finnish kaktus and it was forced to another one | 20:06 |
| rantom | Go to Settings - Time & Language and enable all, I think | 20:06 |
| rantom | not sure | 20:06 |
| faenil | oh here we go | 20:06 |
| faenil | Insert with space key | 20:06 |
| faenil | :D | 20:06 |
| rantom | :) | 20:06 |
| rantom | So that was it.. | 20:06 |
| rantom | I'll go back and disable that then | 20:06 |
| rantom | thanks | 20:07 |
| faenil | :) | 20:07 |
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| rantom | Wohoo, I can write again without getting mad! | 20:07 |
| faenil | same here , thanks to auto correct! :D | 20:08 |
| rantom | But quickly: I'm really impressed with the screen on the N950, hard to believe that it is in the minimum brightness | 20:08 |
| rantom | It's so clear | 20:08 |
| rantom | and bright | 20:08 |
| rantom | I think that that's thanks to the AMOLED? | 20:09 |
| faenil | any news about swype for meego? | 20:09 |
| faenil | is that going to be supported on n9? | 20:09 |
| faenil | rantom: n950 has no amoled afaik | 20:09 |
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| rantom | faenil: Ok, still fairly impressive on the brightness side | 20:10 |
| faenil | :) | 20:10 |
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| leinir | yeah, the n950 is a tft of some description :) | 20:11 |
| faenil | what about swype? I have seen it in an N9 video | 20:11 |
| faenil | but we have no swype here | 20:11 |
| rantom | Trying to google it | 20:11 |
| rantom | faenil: This video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxCtEJUYoU | 20:12 |
| rantom | Other than that I found no evidence | 20:12 |
| faenil | yes | 20:13 |
| faenil | yrd | 20:13 |
| faenil | well one is enough :D | 20:13 |
| faenil | it means that they plan to ship it with the n9 | 20:13 |
| faenil | I hope we'll get it too....in portrait it's a killer app | 20:13 |
| rantom | Never used and won't | 20:14 |
| rantom | Don't need it but that's just me | 20:14 |
| faenil | coz u've never used it ;) | 20:14 |
| artemm | world record in speed-typing SMS is done with swype | 20:14 |
| faenil | like people who say that wp7's ui sucks because they've never used it :D | 20:14 |
| artemm | that's a bit of an argument to notice ;) | 20:14 |
| rantom | faenil: Nah, I hate apps | 20:15 |
| faenil | artemm: yeah I've read about that :) and it's easy to believe, once u're used to swype :D | 20:15 |
| artemm | swype is probably not for everybody, but you know, does it really have to be mutually exclusive with the built-in keyboard? | 20:15 |
| artemm | I am all the time getting confused trying to use swype gestores on N950 | 20:15 |
| faenil | xD | 20:15 |
| artemm | *using Symbian and N950 interchangeably | 20:16 |
| berndhs | swype is fine, except when you're on some vehicle with a bumpy ride | 20:16 |
| berndhs | then its really hard to do | 20:16 |
| faenil | swype on symbian is too slow imho...but yeah I'm using it there | 20:16 |
| artemm | and I really love that Harmattan keyboard has support for so many languages and you can use swIpe for switching. Would be cool if swype keyboard could have the same abilities | 20:16 |
| faenil | berndhs: with swype you can both swipe and use standard keyboard :) | 20:17 |
| artemm | berndhs, really?? You know that you can use swype as just a qwerty keyboard, don't you? | 20:17 |
| berndhs | artemm: no i'm saying when you are being tossed aroudn slightly, doing a swipe gesture is not easy | 20:17 |
| artemm | my biggest problem with swype on symbian is that it doesn't use split-screen. So you have to choose between split screen or swype. That annoys me crazy | 20:17 |
| berndhs | of course when you are being tossed, keyboards dont work either | 20:18 |
| faenil | anyway, let's not bring this further :D I just hope we'll get swype on n950 :D | 20:18 |
| artemm | I hope we don't just *get* it, but get it properly integrated :) | 20:19 |
| artemm | Like with ability to switch languages using swIpe gestures and auto-switching to no swype, when swype is not available for a given language | 20:20 |
| rantom | Duh | 20:20 |
| rantom | I'm trying to bring up the quick-launcher in applications list | 20:21 |
| rantom | "Why doesn't it work.." | 20:21 |
| hiemanshu | rantom: quick-launcher? | 20:21 |
| rantom | The four icons | 20:21 |
| rantom | Drag in lock screen from bottom to top, slowly, and keep it on | 20:22 |
| hiemanshu | rantom: just drag it up a bit, and hold | 20:22 |
| hiemanshu | works for me, every time | 20:22 |
| rantom | Yes, it does | 20:22 |
| rantom | I was just a moron and tried to drag it in the applications list | 20:22 |
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| hiemanshu | it works everywhere except the home screens | 20:23 |
| rantom | That's what I meant | 20:23 |
| artemm | oh, god, this thing works | 20:23 |
| artemm | I didn't knew :) | 20:23 |
| artemm | never had an idea to hold the drag half-way | 20:23 |
| rantom | :) | 20:24 |
| rantom | I didn't know about the double-tap until I saw the N9-video | 20:24 |
| hiemanshu | I did it by mistake, and kept on trying to reproduce, finally found it :) | 20:24 |
| artemm | do you know if there's a way to disable it from the lock screen? I have hell a lot of false unlocks when taking the phone from the pocket | 20:24 |
| rantom | I had troubles on getting the swipe to work in other directions that from right to left | 20:24 |
| artemm | just one drag direction is already dangerous enough | 20:25 |
| rantom | Turns out you have to take it from the edge and then it works | 20:25 |
| artemm | with for of them, it is constantly launching something or chatting on my behalf | 20:25 |
| rantom | artemm: You can, moment | 20:25 |
| hiemanshu | artemm: yeah, I have messages typed out that is all garbage, and random apps open :/ | 20:25 |
| artemm | I know how to disable the double tap unlock, so that you could unlock only with hw button | 20:25 |
| rantom | artemm: Settings - Device - Double to... | 20:25 |
| artemm | but double tap unlock is so cool and easy… if it only had less false activation | 20:26 |
| hiemanshu | settings - device - display | 20:26 |
| artemm | I thought that maybe if unlock happens only on double tap + drag in the concrete direction (instead on any direction) that could be safe enough | 20:26 |
| rantom | I'd like to see one minor improvement | 20:26 |
| rantom | Let user close the application window without going to the list of open applications | 20:27 |
| hiemanshu | rantom: swipe down on newer firmwares does that | 20:27 |
| hiemanshu | top to bottom | 20:27 |
| rantom | Oh, good | 20:27 |
| rantom | RESOLVED FIXED _Å | 20:27 |
| rantom | :P* | 20:27 |
| deimos_ | N9 for 995$ ?!! | 20:28 |
| rantom | Other than that I only have one nag. Why won't the calendars show up in the recent events? | 20:29 |
| rantom | I'm though assuming that that is fixed in newer FW | 20:29 |
| hiemanshu | yup | 20:29 |
| artemm | N9 for $995?!! I guess @selop really wants a hard guarantee the device isn't a success. Too good sales forecast even for iPhone price | 20:30 |
| rantom | ? | 20:30 |
| deimos_ | agreed. btw I seen it on ebay | 20:30 |
| rantom | It's not even being sold in the US so what | 20:30 |
| rantom | 's the problem?* | 20:31 |
| rantom | ok | 20:31 |
| rantom | I think it's ~600 € in here, 64 Gb | 20:31 |
| deimos_ | and I eard that it will never sold in america, nor italy not germany | 20:31 |
| rantom | Just guesing though | 20:31 |
| RST38h | $950 where? | 20:31 |
| rantom | Yep | 20:31 |
| artemm | of course another possibility is that @selop hates me personally and wants to be sure my apps have zero market.. | 20:32 |
| rantom | RST38h: eBay | 20:32 |
| deimos_ | RST38h, I seen on ebay | 20:32 |
| * RST38h starts walking toward Kazakhstan | 20:32 | |
| RST38h | e-what? :) | 20:32 |
| deimos_ | and... no end users to use our applications :) | 20:32 |
| rantom | deimos_: That price is actually quite close to 690 € | 20:33 |
| deimos_ | till another brand make a meego phone | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Morale: Write portable apps | 20:33 |
| faenil | another brand.... | 20:33 |
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| artemm | I certainly believe that Nokia shares Harmattan with the public so that "another brand" could compete with Nokia's WP7.. | 20:34 |
| hiemanshu | there is always vanilla meego that could be polished | 20:34 |
| rantom | artemm: Why would they? | 20:35 |
| rantom | Oops, misread | 20:35 |
| rantom | Nvm | 20:35 |
| artemm | rantom, that was supposed to be a sarcasm | 20:35 |
| rantom | mm | 20:35 |
| rantom | -> | 20:35 |
| berndhs | well, if Nokia owns the other brand, it might work :) | 20:35 |
| artemm | I certainly wouldn't mind if somebody polishes vanilla MeeGo, but that's hell a lot of work, which manufacturer would go for it | 20:35 |
| artemm | Intel could, but inte's plan for phone was basically Nokia | 20:36 |
| artemm | not sure if they manage to regroup and strike back quickly | 20:36 |
| berndhs | I doubt that Intel will set up an Intel-brand for phones | 20:37 |
| berndhs | but you never know | 20:37 |
| artemm | they could do just a platform, as they are doing for meego netbook/tablets | 20:38 |
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| artemm | anyway that's hell a lot of work, money and you need some end device manufacturer(s) to bet on it | 20:38 |
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| berndhs | right, and the polishing would take roughly the time it took to make an N9 | 20:39 |
| artemm | oh, beg my pardon, but I believe Intel is faster than Nokia | 20:39 |
| artemm | would bet on about half time of Nokia's N9 | 20:40 |
| artemm | that still a lot of time and money though | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still impressed with how quick they made tablet UX | 20:40 |
| berndhs | maybe that's why they're so quiet, busy doing just that :) | 20:41 |
| artemm | I secretly hope on that, berndhs. I have, however, to acknowledge that that's more of a wish rather than facts based | 20:41 |
| artemm | Stskeeps, is tabler UX working well nowadays? I have something like march build on Exo PC and it's barely usable | 20:42 |
| berndhs | yeah, lots of room for speculation lately | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | artemm: well, in terms of how quickly you can get a working UI up and running in QML | 20:42 |
| artemm | oh, I have way more basic problems with Tablet. More like often not working keyboard, not renderable web pages, crashes, etc | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | the browser is a nightmare on it's own | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | try to look at the package at some point | 20:44 |
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| Andy1210 | how can i generate digsigsums file in scratchbox? | 21:14 |
| djszapi_ | Andy1210: for debian packages ? | 21:14 |
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| djszapi_ | mmm, I found another way how to turn off the validator. | 21:45 |
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| djszapi_ | ok, if anybody is interested in an easy way to turn off the aegis validator like on the R&D images, drop me a message. I might write some blog about it.. | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | You now have release image? | 21:54 |
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| Andy1210 | djszapi_ : yes for debian packages, with dpkg-buiildpackage | 22:24 |
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| dominikb | does anybody know what QML components the organiser app consists of? i would like to create a similar qml component for an app i am porting from the n900: http://goo.gl/Ko0OC | 22:30 |
| thp | dominikb: you mean the built-in calendar? probably it's some meegotouch stuff | 22:33 |
| wazd | heya all | 22:34 |
| faenil | hey :) | 22:35 |
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| berndhs | why is the OVI store available to tell me what's new in it, but never to download anything ? | 22:37 |
| berndhs | seems odd | 22:37 |
| wazd | berndhs: cause we have an old firmware with some old libraries | 22:37 |
| berndhs | aha | 22:37 |
| wazd | berndhs: something works though | 22:37 |
| wazd | like "Elements" | 22:37 |
| dominikb | thp: jep, the built-in calendar. do you think it's QML based? | 22:40 |
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| berndhs | nah it wont even let me sign in to the store | 22:41 |
| berndhs | oh well | 22:42 |
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| dominikb | i guess there is no QML calendar component available: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9165 | 22:45 |
| RST38h | HP: Limited supply of TouchPads on the way | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Freaking soap opera. | 23:06 |
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| thp | dominikb: i think it's one of the "remaining" meegotouch apps | 23:14 |
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| dominikb | thp: thanks! | 23:30 |
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