| lcuk | hi faenil how is your game engine coming along? | 00:00 |
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| faenil | good thanks :) | 00:00 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: yep | 00:00 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, I don't have a windows phone yet | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | Ä | 00:00 |
| lcuk | evening Stskeeps | 00:01 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: I was not talking about windows phone | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | thp, the developer story with meego vs harmattan is a clusterfuck, agreed | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | it could so easily have been simplikfied | 00:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, that would require working together and coordinating ;) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | but since each project in different channel | 00:04 |
| lcuk | it is tough | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, people on both sides in ivory towers | 00:05 |
| lcuk | indeed | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i like the recent hard work quim has put in with miniature | 00:06 |
| lcuk | trying to ensure that his harmattan app is also compatible with -ce and meego in general | 00:06 |
| lcuk | timoph has ported it and its on his repo | 00:07 |
| faenil | I wish I were a graphics designer xD | 00:08 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: I do not think it is the fail of the application developers. It has just been very hard to deal with the meego handset edition. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | faenil, you are a graphics designer | 00:09 |
| faenil | lcuk: yes, Iam a graphics designer, I am a graphics designer, I am a graphics designer....... | 00:09 |
| kimju | is there any tool to generate spec from debian packaging (or vice versa)? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, well that goes back to the ivory towers things | 00:09 |
| faenil | doesn't work XD | 00:09 |
| djszapi__ | faenil :D | 00:10 |
| djszapi__ | lcuk: sorry ? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | djszapi__, well that handset build used in harmattan could very easily have been built in public on the meego handset | 00:10 |
| djszapi__ | I am not getting you. | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | nm, time for tv tonight \o | 00:12 |
| djszapi__ | kimju: at least, alien helps something | 00:12 |
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| kimju | I'd like to be able to compile same source in obs for harmattan and meego(-ce) | 00:13 |
| kimju | without maintaining two branches | 00:13 |
| kimju | wishful thinking? | 00:13 |
| djszapi__ | why not write the rpm and use alien ? | 00:14 |
| javispedro | exactly | 00:14 |
| javispedro | do you really think a project to install meego compliant .rpms on Harmattan would help matters much? | 00:14 |
| djszapi__ | Actually, someone even did it this way in the past. | 00:15 |
| djszapi__ | for some packages, at least. | 00:15 |
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| kimju | how that would work with aegis? | 00:17 |
| javispedro | two ways I can think | 00:17 |
| djszapi__ | kimju: well, obviously no way for that :) | 00:17 |
| javispedro | a) as long as develsh is as privileged as it currently is do the same dpkg does | 00:18 |
| javispedro | b) if option a fails, create a fake deb package and install it. | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i still have 100eur out for whoever shows it is trivial and does it | 00:18 |
| javispedro | (option B is actually what Alien does...) | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: for set of meego compliant 1.2 armhf packages | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Shows what is trivial? | 00:18 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: able to accept meego compliant rpms | 00:19 |
| * SpeedEvil has been putting solar stuff on roof, not keeping up. | 00:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | on harmattan | 00:19 |
| javispedro | have you tried, ehm, alien? :) | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i cant be arsed doing it myself, but just to show how little effort harmattan guys could have gone through | 00:22 |
| javispedro | the main issue is that I've stopped seeing the benefit | 00:22 |
| javispedro | is there really _any_ common API between any of the meego UXes that works for anything other that completely non-native looking QML interfaces? | 00:23 |
| javispedro | I mean, I go to the Meego 1.2 API reference and it still shows Qt Widget stuff. That is completely unusable on Harmattan. | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | not disagreeing, as i said, ivory towers on both sides | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | but the problem is that even for stuff that could run, people make debs instead - we even have a qt components impl on meego n900 CE | 00:24 |
| Stskeeps | so stuff would actually run | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway, sleep time for me | 00:25 |
| djszapi__ | javispedro: qt components is rather common | 00:25 |
| javispedro | "similar" | 00:27 |
| javispedro | not common :) | 00:27 |
| djszapi__ | sorry ? | 00:28 |
| javispedro | that they are not _exactly_ the same | 00:28 |
| javispedro | which is the requeriment here | 00:28 |
| djszapi__ | what is the sense of qt components, if it is not common ? | 00:28 |
| djszapi__ | That was my whole impression about it. | 00:28 |
| djszapi__ | if it is not common, it is no go for me. | 00:28 |
| javispedro | well, the harmattan components were closed until very recently | 00:36 |
| javispedro | therefore meego had its own version | 00:36 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we have harmattan components | 00:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:37 |
| javispedro | no idea if what Stskeeps meant above is that they got the harmattan components to work on the n900 CE | 00:37 |
| javispedro | ah :) | 00:37 |
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| djszapi__ | javispedro: well, qt components are no go for me in the future until it gets common | 00:52 |
| faenil | omg watching at my 3d level doing camera rotation animation is amazing XD | 00:52 |
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| M4rtinK | rzr, djszapi: I have submitted updated gtk package from Fremantle to your harmattan community repository | 01:01 |
| M4rtinK | you have probably pulled an old version previously, this one builds in my repo and works on device :) | 01:02 |
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| djszapi__ | M4rtinK: excellent thanks. | 01:06 |
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| arcean | oO | 01:18 |
| arcean | I've took a photo @ 12MPix | 01:18 |
| arcean | 4016x3016 | 01:18 |
| arcean | wtf | 01:18 |
| special | ..interesting. How? | 01:19 |
| faenil | with n950? | 01:20 |
| arcean | Just build and run Camera example from qt-mobility | 01:20 |
| arcean | yup | 01:20 |
| faenil | well yeah | 01:20 |
| faenil | N950 should have 12mpx camera.. | 01:21 |
| faenil | at least that's what rumours said | 01:21 |
| arcean | maybe rumors are true ;) | 01:21 |
| faenil | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/05/nokia-n950-sample-photos-devs-and-their-12mp-meego-harmattan-phones/ | 01:21 |
| faenil | anyway that's great! congrats :D | 01:21 |
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| arcean | '“produce similar quality” images' gets a new meaning now ;) | 01:23 |
| djszapi__ | faenil: how could you place an opengl widget properly into the qml context ? | 01:23 |
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| faenil | djszapi__: created QDeclarativeItem, used beginNativePainting() and endNativePainting() | 01:25 |
| faenil | put a check in the paint() to call initializeGL() at first paint | 01:25 |
| faenil | and put a timer to invalidate the qdeclarativeitem | 01:25 |
| faenil | if you have any specific question... | 01:26 |
| djszapi__ | sounds hackish :D | 01:26 |
| * djszapi__ runs :p | 01:26 | |
| djszapi__ | but I am happy if it works at least. | 01:27 |
| faenil | xD | 01:27 |
| faenil | elpuri_ told me it was easy and I got confident :D | 01:27 |
| djszapi__ | so we can play starcraft 3d now ? | 01:28 |
| faenil | ahahah xD | 01:28 |
| faenil | found some icons, and put zoom in/out and rotate animations :) | 01:30 |
| faenil | need to implement camera move on touch | 01:30 |
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| faenil | damn I forgot I have to add a level editor with drag&drop too for the exam :( | 01:35 |
| faenil | I'll never finish it before 5th... | 01:35 |
| djszapi__ | welcome to the reinveting the wheel world with its result ;) | 01:36 |
| * djszapi__ runs :p | 01:36 | |
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| * faenil faenil chases djszapi__ | 01:37 | |
| faenil | djszapi__: do you know what's the signal of MouseArea that tracks touch input? | 01:38 |
| faenil | onPressed takes the touch | 01:38 |
| faenil | onPressAndHold only launched one signal I guess, when the hold time timeouts | 01:39 |
| faenil | times out* or whatever xD | 01:39 |
| faenil | maybe onEntered works good for touch | 01:40 |
| djszapi__ | well we have gluoninput I wrote. | 01:41 |
| djszapi__ | that solves the dirty details :D | 01:41 |
| djszapi__ | so yep, keep reinventing :) | 01:41 |
| djszapi__ | What is your game concept btw ? | 01:41 |
| faenil | ok no problem :D I will ;) | 01:41 |
| faenil | sokoban clone in 3d | 01:41 |
| faenil | any chance you'll play it? you like it? | 01:45 |
| djszapi__ | yeah, I can try it out after I finished the snake game :p | 01:46 |
| faenil | lol | 01:46 |
| faenil | good luck with that :D | 01:47 |
| faenil | the biggest fear I have after the drag&drop editor is the player animation XD | 01:48 |
| djszapi__ | player as in the character in the game ? | 01:48 |
| faenil | yes :D | 01:49 |
| djszapi__ | why not use animated sprite ? | 01:49 |
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| Venemo_ | finally, I'm at home! | 01:50 |
| faenil | in 3d? | 01:50 |
| djszapi__ | Venemo_ o/ :) | 01:50 |
| Venemo_ | yes, in 3d | 01:50 |
| Venemo_ | djszapi__ :) | 01:50 |
| djszapi__ | faenil: animated mesh :D | 01:51 |
| faenil | animated mesh, that's the problem :) | 01:51 |
| faenil | do you have an .ASE importer on GLUON ? :D | 01:53 |
| djszapi__ | assimp ? | 01:53 |
| djszapi__ | http://assimp.sourceforge.net/ | 01:54 |
| djszapi__ | and we wrote the management for that, another reinveting on you.. | 01:54 |
| faenil | haahahah lol | 01:55 |
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| djszapi__ | to be honest, you could have just concentrated on creating the game itself, and you could make a brilliant game. | 01:55 |
| djszapi__ | this way, you are trying to reinvent what the platform already solved, and you have just a little time for the game itself. | 01:55 |
| djszapi__ | btw, assimp sounds weird projectname... xD | 01:56 |
| faenil | I'll probably rewrite the game once the exam is done, that's no problem :) but this way I learn how things work... | 01:56 |
| faenil | yeah weird enough xD | 01:56 |
| djszapi__ | but why learn how to learn if it is not a niche on the market ? | 01:57 |
| djszapi__ | * how things work | 01:57 |
| faenil | because that's how I was taught to do if you want to master something... | 01:59 |
| faenil | start from scratch, and build it yourself (not all XD) | 01:59 |
| faenil | the errors you'll make will help you understand many things | 01:59 |
| faenil | maybe I'll change my pov, but I'm still a student now | 02:00 |
| faenil | my actual player (a textured box) is so funny, linear animations, so easy, I think I'll keep that XD | 02:04 |
| faenil | time to go to bed.. | 02:07 |
| faenil | good night everyone! | 02:07 |
| faenil | and happy saturday night for those who're enjoying their summer instead of coding! (which is fun too XD9 | 02:07 |
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| Venemo | naw, finally, I'm from my laptop | 02:26 |
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| elpuri_ | nothing hackish about it | 02:36 |
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| javispedro | while on the topic of android kernels.. | 06:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: seems that TI has been trying to upstream their wl12xx fm radio android driver | 06:18 |
| javispedro | it has obviously set a new low in quality. | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | eew | 06:18 |
| javispedro | after reading it I think I understand _LESS_ about the hardware. | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:19 |
| javispedro | it's fscking insane. in fact, it expects some other module (propietary?) to fill in some function pointers | 06:19 |
| javispedro | otherwise it crashes | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeek | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like android, indeed | 06:19 |
| javispedro | it does have some information about regs though, and some regs/cmds are named differently that what the nokia driver calls it | 06:20 |
| javispedro | *them. | 06:20 |
| javispedro | either way, I've been able to extract some information from some of the spaghetti | 06:20 |
| javispedro | namely, when digital output mode is enabled | 06:20 |
| javispedro | it outputs to 4 places: | 06:21 |
| javispedro | - I2S | 06:21 |
| javispedro | - something called "PCM" | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 06:21 |
| javispedro | - directly via BT HFP | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 06:21 |
| javispedro | (aka fmrx -> BT, who would want?) | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | HFP? | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | not A2DP? | 06:22 |
| javispedro | hands free profile | 06:22 |
| javispedro | yes, A2DP is the #4 | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 06:22 |
| javispedro | actually A3DP | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 06:22 |
| javispedro | but here comes the interesting thing | 06:22 |
| javispedro | the PCM output has a configurable mux called PCMH | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 06:23 |
| javispedro | http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform/hardware/ti/omap3.git;a=tree;f=fmradio;h=fdf2a9dcca2dced00e724a2eb1dec578152f5beb;hb=HEAD | 06:24 |
| javispedro | it has like a billion layers of abstraction between "switchDigitalAudioOutput()" and the actual opcodes sent to the device | 06:25 |
| javispedro | and I can't follow the logic, so no idea what it does to configure all of this. | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 06:25 |
| javispedro | ie it tries to send an array called azpsArrayOpcodes (I _hate_ hungarian notation) | 06:26 |
| javispedro | and i cannot find who finds that array | 06:26 |
| javispedro | s/finds/fills/ | 06:26 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: and i cannot find who fills that array | 06:26 |
| javispedro | (note: I made up the array name) | 06:27 |
| javispedro | either way, no idea what this PCM output is | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it dumps a whole register image, after filling it at random places with random opcodes, triggered by spaghetti code | 06:28 |
| javispedro | I was hoping to find a clear register with I2S mux configuration :) | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | great | 06:28 |
| javispedro | and there IS mention of something called IS2H | 06:28 |
| javispedro | but no idea what to do about it | 06:28 |
| javispedro | and how to do anything to it.. | 06:29 |
| javispedro | in fact, it could be something that is pure sw | 06:29 |
| * javispedro is actually considering forgetting this piece of code ever existed.. | 06:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I feel with you | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reply to your request for help/docs yet? | 06:30 |
| javispedro | it has more than 100 K lines of code | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | (my mail been down for like 2 weeks) | 06:30 |
| javispedro | nope, no reply yet. | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe just another dead mail account | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a similar dead mail account (and probably still have) @openmoko.com | 06:31 |
| javispedro | I think there's a rather large TI NDA here. | 06:33 |
| javispedro | still not understand why they can't comment on the Nokia device configuration | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | they could | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very least they could tell us they won't for blahblub reason | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well quim suggested any hw related questions shall go to FMC | 06:36 |
| * javispedro tries to understand how could someone baloon a fm driver to the 100,000 lines of code range | 06:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT?? | 06:37 |
| javispedro | run wc -l on the repo I quoted above | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell this thing must handle station switching based on RDS | 06:37 |
| javispedro | 99588 lines | 06:38 |
| javispedro | no wonder I always get lost | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | insane | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless 80% were comment | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | even then... | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean this isn't the omap3630 user manual | 06:39 |
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| javispedro | either way | 06:43 |
| javispedro | I have no idea what this PCMH thing is, but one thing is: I could have been wrong about the I2S thing being connected | 06:43 |
| javispedro | it could be this PCMH thing instead. | 06:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer has the strange feeling like PCM and I2S are the same interface, just slightly different protocol | 06:44 | |
| javispedro | good point! | 06:45 |
| javispedro | that could explain why there was no mention in the pin descriptions | 06:46 |
| hiemanshu | morning | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo hiemanshu | 06:46 |
| javispedro | ie why I couldn't find PCMI / PCMO pins | 06:46 |
| hiemanshu | hey DocScrutinizer | 06:46 |
| javispedro | moo hiemanshu | 06:46 |
| hiemanshu | moo javispedro | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, with werner almesberger I'm about to discuss basics for a true PCB RE sw tool, to create schematics from pics like http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Sciphone_Dream_G2#PCB_layers. Maybe after finishing that and treating a N950 that way we get wiser | 06:52 |
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| * javispedro reads wl1271 halfschematic again ot see if it enlightens me | 07:08 | |
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| javispedro | ok, in the example connectivity figure | 07:09 |
| javispedro | they show the PCM interface connected to McBSP3 | 07:09 |
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| javispedro | and _only_ that one | 07:10 |
| javispedro | so either the proposed connectivity does not have any kind of fmrx audio, or the mux exists. | 07:11 |
| javispedro | still, the PCM_* pins are clearly labeled "Bluetooth Audio" | 07:11 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaargh | 07:13 |
| javispedro | WL1273_PCM_MODE_SET command | 07:13 |
| javispedro | undocumented | 07:13 |
| javispedro | unused except cleared to zero during startup | 07:13 |
| javispedro | I want info!! | 07:13 |
| javispedro | #define WL1273_PCM_DEF_MODE0x00 | 07:14 |
| javispedro | /* I2S protocol, left channel first, data width 16 bits */ | 07:14 |
| GAN900 | http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/fox-reporter-gives-update-covered-in-sea-foam-20110827 | 07:16 |
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| hiemanshu | AB level 7 needs you to have Magic enabled :/ | 07:53 |
| berndhs | Could it be worse? | 08:06 |
| hiemanshu | ofc | 08:06 |
| hiemanshu | you need to tap another player with AB with all 6 levels done to unlock | 08:06 |
| hiemanshu | which means 'Find another N9 user' | 08:07 |
| berndhs | Ah | 08:07 |
| hiemanshu | atleast from what I can understand | 08:07 |
| special | so if you're in north america, you'd be screwed? | 08:07 |
| berndhs | If could get textinput to not auto capitlize the 1st letter... | 08:08 |
| hiemanshu | berndhs: Qt? | 08:08 |
| berndhs | Yes | 08:08 |
| hiemanshu | sorry I mean QML | 08:08 |
| berndhs | I think just qml | 08:09 |
| hiemanshu | berndhs: look at InputMethodHinting | 08:09 |
| berndhs | Ok | 08:09 |
| hiemanshu | berndhs: something like inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText | Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase | 08:10 |
| hiemanshu | in QML | 08:10 |
| berndhs | Ah, makes sense | 08:10 |
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| Termana | morning | 09:03 |
| rantom | Morning | 09:24 |
| rantom | I tried to run apt-get update and got "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" | 09:25 |
| rantom | And the answer would be no. I tried to use Applications manager but there was (again) "No applications installed" and using the Store just hanged up | 09:25 |
| rantom | Should I force it to use rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg ? | 09:26 |
| rantom | To be more precise, I also get: "Unable to open lock /var/lib/dpkg - open (11: Resource temprorarily unavailable) | 09:32 |
| rantom | " | 09:32 |
| rantom | ps aux | egrep -i 'apt|ftp|kpack|dpkg' | less - prints: | 09:36 |
| rantom | http://pastebin.com/Jxns1U7P | 09:37 |
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| tomma | just remove the lock | 10:02 |
| dm8tbr | rantom: you devel-sh'd or sthg like that, right? | 10:03 |
| dm8tbr | you'll need to have the right caps to run apt-get | 10:03 |
| rantom | devel-su | 10:05 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 10:05 |
| rantom | Same problem if trying to do it after: ssh root@localhost | 10:06 |
| kimju | that sounds like appmgrd running and keeping the lock | 10:06 |
| rantom | killall: appmgrd: no process killed | 10:07 |
| tomma | remove the lock file and use pkgmgr | 10:07 |
| rantom | So rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ? | 10:08 |
| kimju | yes, if the process that generated it has gone | 10:08 |
| rantom | Hmm, whatever command I use with pkgmgr I get "Error: service is shutting down manually" | 10:10 |
| rantom | Yeah, removing the lock-file worked | 10:14 |
| rantom | Would like to know though why this keeps happening | 10:15 |
| rantom | Wouldn't removing certain files be: rm -f *.vcf ? | 10:16 |
| rantom | In this case I'd remove all vcf-files | 10:16 |
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| rantom | Yes it would | 10:19 |
| rantom | But hey, thanks, that helped : | 10:20 |
| rantom | :)* | 10:20 |
| rantom | I'm still getting though "No installed software" in Applications manager | 10:22 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:59 |
| rantom | Morning | 12:00 |
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| faenil | good morning everyoooone! | 12:17 |
| faenil | It's sundaaaay | 12:17 |
| faenil | :D | 12:17 |
| rantom | Back to work tomorrow :( | 12:17 |
| rantom | :)* | 12:17 |
| faenil | tomorrow is another day :D | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks. In preparation for some maintenance, we need to do a bit of re-hubbing. This is going to basically involve nearly all of EU splitting from US - so it's going to be noisy. Sorry for the inconvenience, and I'll send another message when we're done. | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hihi | 14:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-28 12:49:44] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone - that's the end of the ride. Everything that needs to be is now re-hubbed, so thanks for your patience and for using freenode, and sorry for the noise. | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-28 13:49:39] <DocScrutinizer> [2011-08-28 12:49:44] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi e | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (now - 1h) | 14:50 |
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| faenil | anyone got advices or a good manual about camera panning in 3d space via touch input? | 15:16 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly, runs around the channel | 15:55 | |
| * Stskeeps puts RST38h on fire | 15:56 | |
| RST38h | Aaaarghhhhh | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: What's new and exciting, while I have been away? =) | 15:58 |
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| Stskeeps | nothing | 15:59 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I see NYC got flooded, while I have been in the air =) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you're to blame ;) | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | what's new? i'm at college and the dorms are meh | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | if there's no fungus growing on the walls or people threatening to beat you up in your common kitchens, you're fine | 16:14 |
| hiemanshu | sup people | 16:18 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: co-ed? | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, a good question too | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Have you already checked the fridge for the signs of intelligent life? | 16:19 |
| * Stskeeps really enjoyed his life in the dorm | 16:20 | |
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| hiemanshu | I hate how the N950 can only have 8G of music :( | 16:22 |
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| wazd | hi all | 16:41 |
| hiemanshu | hey wazd | 16:42 |
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| wazd | if anyone's still here, waht do you think bout that kind of "dial" widget? :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/dial%20widget/1.png | 17:12 |
| faenil | where's the dial widget? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if combined with vibrator patterns.. | 17:13 |
| wazd | faenil: between "brighntess" and numbers :) | 17:14 |
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| faenil | oh...nice! :) | 17:14 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: lovely! | 17:15 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: does it have transitions like its moving and such? | 17:15 |
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| wazd | hiemanshu: sure, and kinetic scrolling | 17:15 |
| rantom | Ah, dial, not dialer | 17:15 |
| rantom | I was already quite confused.. "where's the dialer?" | 17:15 |
| rantom | wazd: cool | 17:16 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: \o/ | 17:16 |
| hiemanshu | wazd: me want | 17:16 |
| faenil | anyone has experience with opengl 3d space camera panning?? | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, co-what? | 17:17 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: co-ed, guys and girls on the same floors | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | 3 people in one room, including me, one's a classmate and the other's an Israeli | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | no, opposite side | 17:17 |
| hiemanshu | thats sad then | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | not that it matters, they don't give a shit, we had one with us | 17:18 |
| lcuk | nahh its fun | 17:18 |
| lcuk | like capture the flag | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | a friend of course, don't let your imagination go wild | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: hah | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | also, ehy lcuk | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | hey* | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, clearly your dorm wasn't 3*5m | 17:18 |
| lcuk | \o | 17:18 |
| faenil | lcuk: lol | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | or 3*7 | 17:18 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well unless there are girls your floor, that dorm surely is meh | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | with shared kitchens and bathrooms | 17:18 |
| hiemanshu | +on | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, it's kinda like american schools | 17:19 |
| hiemanshu | you make your own food? | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | it's not indoor | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | like, if you go out your room you're outside | 17:19 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah | 17:19 |
| berndhs | in the tourist industry, they call that a "bungalow" and charge you more money | 17:23 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | except it doesn't qualify to be called a bungalow | 17:24 |
| RST38h | a hut, maybe? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | at least IRC has 0.1 lag here | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | if you have 100mbit/s between eachother on the dorm, take good use of it | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps <-- encouraging blatant piracy =) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | That, or camwhoring =) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm talking about distributing around meego iso's and creative commons material, shame on you | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Or both. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Viruses then. | 17:37 |
| Venemo_N950 | whoever the f*ck said that the N95's headset works with the N950 is a f*cking liar! | 17:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | I've just repaired my N95's headset (replaced the battery in it), now it works with the N95 once more | 17:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | but the control buttons don't work with the N950 | 17:39 |
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| evilJazz | Venemo, did you try directly in the Music application? AVCRP via my car's Pioneer radio only works when the Music app is activated and the screen is not locked. Quite different behavior from my N900. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Ovi Suite = ... .... . ... . . . ... | 17:50 |
| Venemo | hm | 18:01 |
| Venemo | evilJazz, hmmm | 18:01 |
| RST38h | You Tentacledness in the depths of the sea, please, arise and feast on Ovi Suite developer team with extreme prejudice | 18:05 |
| RST38h | Please, also catch the ones who left Nokia and punish them too | 18:05 |
| Venemo | RST38h :D | 18:13 |
| Venemo | hmm | 18:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: what was it this time? new QA policy involves ensuring your application runs at least as slow as the stock ones? | 18:13 |
| Venemo | after turning the N950 on/off, the N95 headset works.... curious, isn't it. | 18:13 |
| faenil | bugged, isn't it | 18:16 |
| faenil | xD | 18:16 |
| javispedro | ah, Ovi Suite, not Store, that is new. | 18:18 |
| * javispedro was still using the older one and been suggesting everyone he knows to do so unless they want to lose calendar sync ability with $FAVOURITE_PROGRAM | 18:18 | |
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| Venemo | faenil, yeah, bugged like hell | 18:45 |
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| Venemo | ~seen Arkenoi | 18:51 |
| infobot | arkenoi <~ark@79.175.1.94> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 7h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'spent'. | 18:52 |
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| rantom | 550MA is too little for N950? | 19:00 |
| rantom | I have the AC-6E micro-USB charger | 19:01 |
| artemm | Does anybody know where the final app version number is coming from? | 19:10 |
| artemm | By default it is 0.0.1 and project file search found this string in changelog file only. It can't be the source, can it? :/ | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd imagine it's set somewhere as 0 0 1 - in seperate vars | 19:14 |
| artemm | I suspect the same, problem is how to find it. I've got plenty of zeros and ones in the project code :) | 19:14 |
| javispedro | artemm: you mean the debian/changelog? | 19:15 |
| artemm | yep | 19:15 |
| javispedro | artemm: you have a larger version number there? | 19:15 |
| javispedro | because scripts that get the current version number from there are quite common. | 19:15 |
| artemm | there is line generated by wizard: "discountcalcharmattanapp (0.0.1) unstable; urgency=low" | 19:15 |
| artemm | disclaimer: I don't really know how the make system works | 19:16 |
| javispedro | and I don't know how QtC works. | 19:16 |
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| artemm | two half-developers don't seem to make one full developer :) | 19:17 |
| * javispedro thinks this is one rather large issue here | 19:18 | |
| javispedro | I mean, on the webOS world, the "middleware" guys as qgil puts it developed a set of CLI tools (generate template, package, etc.) that is what the UI tools use | 19:18 |
| javispedro | therefore, there's not such an abysm between what the UI tools do and what the CLI people do. | 19:19 |
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| artemm | well, I actually don't remember how to set version for symbian build as well. I need it like once per app and then quickly forget | 19:20 |
| artemm | ..need to write it down somewhere | 19:20 |
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| artemm | interestingly Applications (in N950 Settings app) and build file name totally ignore the fact that my .desktop file spcifies version as 1.0 | 19:22 |
| artemm | I start suspecting that app version and package version are two very different things | 19:22 |
| javispedro | the version on the .desktop is not what you think it is | 19:23 |
| javispedro | it specifies the .desktop spec file version, so leave it at 1.0, always | 19:23 |
| artemm | Oh, just found the place for version! | 19:23 |
| artemm | in UI that is | 19:24 |
| artemm | hell knows how it maps to files | 19:24 |
| javispedro | to change the version that is shown on the package manager/applcations preferences you need to change debian/changelog | 19:24 |
| javispedro | however, no idea how to do that from Qtc | 19:24 |
| javispedro | maybe Venemo knows? | 19:24 |
| artemm | Targets->Harmattan target -> Run -> create package | 19:25 |
| artemm | then in one of the properties there's version number | 19:25 |
| Venemo | I do not use Qt Creator for packaging, but javispedro is right. | 19:25 |
| artemm | of course why package creation is in the Run tab and package is created only when pressing Run button is totally different story :) | 19:25 |
| Venemo | artemm, here is the solution for that story: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4000 | 19:27 |
| artemm | oh, I had no iea you can copy your code to device without packaging | 19:29 |
| artemm | thx | 19:29 |
| artemm | will definitely think about it when it makes to public SDK | 19:29 |
| Venemo | artemm, well, it works now. and very well | 19:30 |
| artemm | sorry, too many console commands involving su in instructions | 19:30 |
| artemm | have no plans to beg for a device replacement if it breaks anything | 19:30 |
| artemm | and to reflash as well actually | 19:30 |
| artemm | let's say pain from packaging isn't that big for me as my app is small and 90% of time I develop code on desktop anyway | 19:31 |
| artemm | most of device specific activities are about packaging :) | 19:31 |
| Venemo | artemm, so you're saying that you think that my advice will break your device. | 19:32 |
| artemm | more like a combination of words "su", "devel" and "root" in one paragraph makes me think I really need to read instructions carefully before executing them | 19:33 |
| artemm | somehow I prefer to spend "real thinking time" on the app business logic until build issues become pain in the bottom. Like it happened with the build version | 19:34 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 19:35 |
| Venemo | well, I hate to wait too long for my app to run. | 19:35 |
| Venemo | this is why I made this tutorial, in case others hate it too | 19:35 |
| artemm | and then instructions ask for a nightly build. A couple of my last experiments with 2.3 RC were failures, not in the mood to spend an hour for trying prerelease stuff again | 19:36 |
| artemm | hey, if packaging starts being pain in the bottom, I will definitely try that :) | 19:36 |
| artemm | those for who it's a bottleneck must be greateful already | 19:37 |
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| artemm | I was fortunate to be able to do 90% of everything on a desktop build | 19:37 |
| artemm | nothing beats the cycle speed of just QmlViewer | 19:37 |
| artemm | All of my hundred tests run under 10-15 sec and quite many of them are full ui tests, not just unit tests | 19:38 |
| Venemo | artemm, "just QML Viewer"? | 19:41 |
| ajalkane_N950 | artemm, what's a good framework for unit testing QML? | 19:42 |
| artemm | Nokia's one :) | 19:42 |
| artemm | qtest-qml | 19:42 |
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| artemm | there are some pretty cool features for what's always difficult for testing frameworks | 19:42 |
| artemm | such as ui input testing (including mouse) and asynchronous stuff | 19:43 |
| ajalkane_N950 | ok thx, will look at that if I fancy doing things properly | 19:43 |
| artemm | http://agilesoftwaredevelopment.com/blog/artem/test-driving-qml | 19:43 |
| Venemo | how can that handle the stuff that I give to QML from C++? | 19:43 |
| artemm | I don't have such stuff | 19:43 |
| artemm | well, I do, but really minimal | 19:44 |
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| artemm | easy to simulate if code is run in the viewer | 19:44 |
| Venemo | heh. | 19:44 |
| Venemo | all my app logic is in C++ | 19:44 |
| artemm | and if you do have a lot of cpp stuff, then just qmlviewer is unlikely to satisfy you anyway :) | 19:44 |
| berndhs | yeah if its minimal logic, you can stub it in qml, but if it's not,... | 19:44 |
| Venemo | agreed | 19:45 |
| Venemo | this is why qml viewer is no use to me at all. | 19:45 |
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| artemm | depends on how complex your UI is. If you still want/need to test-drive it, work with stubs and test-doubles | 19:45 |
| Venemo | that's what I did when I started it | 19:46 |
| artemm | if it's just rendering two images for stuff coming from C++, maybe you don't need automatic tests for ui anyway | 19:46 |
| Venemo | there was the GUI and a "stub" C++ backend | 19:46 |
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| berndhs | maybe someone knows today: how to i change the user-agent string in QML WebView, so the server knows i'm a mobile ? | 19:48 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, ask that in #qt-qml | 19:50 |
| berndhs | few months ago the answer was "you don't" :) | 19:51 |
| Venemo | I do not know the answer | 19:52 |
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| Venemo | frals, ping | 20:49 |
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| wazd | thp: ping! | 21:09 |
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| rcg | are there issues with the obs? | 21:23 |
| rcg | besides workes being suspicously idle.. the status of newly added packages is not updating.. well, i can wait :) | 21:26 |
| javispedro | yes, it's broken | 21:31 |
| javispedro | for harmattan only that is | 21:31 |
| javispedro | lcuk: btw, you asked for another game that used my SDL enhacements, and just found one! | 21:32 |
| javispedro | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBY2_Cv3Dk | 21:32 |
| * javispedro is happy and clicks on the "Like" button | 21:33 | |
| javispedro | also, a particle game! I love those. | 21:33 |
| * javispedro should probably follow the f.m.c. announcements more closely... | 21:34 | |
| djszapi__ | yep, particle system is a crucial requirement nowadays | 21:34 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: SDL works? | 21:35 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: yes, it's what I've been working on for the last three weeks or so =) | 21:36 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: \o/ | 21:36 |
| hiemanshu | time for me to get openTTD working | 21:36 |
| javispedro | I already have it packaged for maemo, with several patches | 21:36 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: SDL or openttd? :P | 21:36 |
| javispedro | openttd | 21:37 |
| hiemanshu | ah, yes I have it on every machine I own | 21:37 |
| hiemanshu | inlcuding the N900, but since the N900 is my primary phone I need the battery, so openttd on the n950 would be nice | 21:37 |
| javispedro | however unless someone tells me how to do a proper high DPI UI.. | 21:37 |
| hiemanshu | maybe a few other games | 21:37 |
| javispedro | maybe it'll be better to restart openttd-maemo but from someone else's fork instead of mainline | 21:38 |
| javispedro | the DS one is quite playable on very lowres but probably has too many changes | 21:38 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 21:39 |
| javispedro | and I need to try and get at least kinetic scrolling upstreamed... | 21:47 |
| javispedro | hmppf | 21:47 |
| javispedro | so many projects... | 21:47 |
| javispedro | so little time :) | 21:48 |
| djszapi__ | and it will be just worse ;) | 21:48 |
| RST38h | yessss | 21:49 |
| RST38h | OpenTTD. Yessss | 21:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: on capacitive? | 21:50 |
| RST38h | with a small resolution, it will work | 21:51 |
| alterego | Neat: http://www.ebuyer.com/267867-emachine-er1401-desktop-pt-nbzec-004 | 21:51 |
| javispedro | you know what happens on the N900.... | 21:51 |
| alterego | Might make a nice media PC .. | 21:51 |
| RST38h | and if you disable allthe annoying warning popups (should be asetting somewhere) | 21:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it is a setting indeed | 21:52 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it's the latest toolbaricon (iiirc a ? symbol) | 21:52 |
| javispedro | you can set all popups to be shown as notices in the ticker/scroller | 21:52 |
| * RST38h needs to update harmattan packages | 21:53 | |
| alterego | 854x480 pico projector, should I .. should I not .. | 21:53 |
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| javispedro | someone should put a warning that obs harmattan is broken, I see too many submit attempts.. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the builder statuses seem fine | 22:18 |
| javispedro | lcuk: if you try to build some package that has harmattan target it quickly changes to "broken repository setup" | 22:18 |
| javispedro | lcuk: plus, on the -boss, there are many commits/version changes but not build starts or ends | 22:19 |
| lcuk | yeah I have seen them today | 22:19 |
| javispedro | there are a fwe build_success but all of them have been non-harmattan so far. | 22:19 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the package name and version would help in the boss viewer | 22:20 |
| javispedro | yes | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i filed a bug about the version | 22:20 |
| lcuk | but name as well would help | 22:20 |
| javispedro | and maybe target for build messages | 22:20 |
| javispedro | also, all of the workers in COBS are completely idle :) | 22:21 |
| lcuk | javispedro, file a bug | 22:21 |
| lcuk | then next time someone is in there it might be added | 22:22 |
| javispedro | what's the bug# you already filed? | 22:22 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:22 |
| * javispedro plans to reuse lcuk's feature request =) | 22:22 | |
| lcuk | a moment | 22:22 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22752 | 22:23 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 22752 tri, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, [FEA] Addition of revision number on #MeeGo-BOSS irc logs | 22:23 |
| thp | wazd: pong | 22:27 |
| wazd | thp: woo :) | 22:30 |
| javispedro | lcuk: ta! | 22:30 |
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| djszapi__ | lcuk o/ | 22:38 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I'm at the other end - thinking about how to upgrade my desktop to something beyond an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and GeForce 7300GT | 22:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:52 |
| alterego | I just ordered a new 2TB USB3 external drive | 22:52 |
| alterego | And one of these: http://www.ebuyer.com/267867-emachine-er1401-desktop-pt-nbzec-004 | 22:52 |
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| alterego | Gonna use it for a media center. | 22:56 |
| alterego | Plug it into my HDTV and it's got digital audio so I can plug that into my surround system. :) | 22:56 |
| BrettQ_ | so, with Aegis disabled using javispedro's workaround, Optware can be setup and seems to work | 22:56 |
| Venemo | djszapi__, ping | 22:57 |
| Venemo | hey alterego, what's up? :) | 22:57 |
| djszapi__ | 'lo | 22:57 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo, I'm pretty good, how about yourself? | 22:58 |
| Venemo | alterego, just returned from holiday yesterday :) | 22:59 |
| alterego | Nice, go anywhere nice? | 22:59 |
| Venemo | sure! | 22:59 |
| Venemo | alterego, btw, are you on facebook? | 23:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | You can also stalk alterego on your local twitter | 23:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:01 |
| Venemo | I don't wanna stalk | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | he lives next to "The Pub" | 23:01 |
| alterego | I use facebook for family and close friends, and twitter for everything else :P | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | That's what they all say | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | that automatically translates to I'll reject your request if you add me | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 23:02 |
| Venemo | meh! | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | so, the israeli left out dorm | 23:02 |
| Venemo | it would help my language skills if I could read English stuff on facebook too | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | must've been scared | 23:03 |
| alterego | win /12 | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | all that's left is me and my classmate | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | I've been up for 48 hours, had an energy drink (eww) but I don't feel like sleeping | 23:04 |
| Venemo | heh | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | I fee like plugging my amp at full volume and putting some songs on | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | given this is my first day and i don't feel like being expelled, I won't do that | 23:08 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, first day at uni? | 23:10 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, congrats :) | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | thanks | 23:10 |
| ieatlint | hey | 23:30 |
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