IRC log of #harmattan for Sunday, 2011-08-28

lcukhi faenil how is your game engine coming along?00:00
faenilgood thanks :)00:00
djszapi__lcuk: yep00:00
lcukdjszapi__, I don't have a windows phone yet00:00
lcukevening Stskeeps00:01
djszapi__lcuk: I was not talking about windows phone00:01
Stskeepsthp, the developer story with meego vs harmattan is a clusterfuck, agreed00:01
Stskeepsit could so easily have been simplikfied00:02
lcukStskeeps, that would require working together and coordinating ;)00:03
lcukbut since each project in different channel00:04
lcukit is tough00:04
Stskeepslcuk, people on both sides in ivory towers00:05
lcuki like the recent hard work quim has put in with miniature00:06
lcuktrying to ensure that his harmattan app is also compatible with -ce and meego in general00:06
lcuktimoph has ported it and its on his repo00:07
faenilI wish I were a graphics designer xD00:08
djszapi__lcuk: I do not think it is the fail of the application developers. It has just been very hard to deal with the meego handset edition.00:08
lcukfaenil, you are a graphics designer00:09
faenillcuk: yes, Iam a graphics designer, I am a graphics designer, I am a graphics designer.......00:09
kimjuis there any tool to generate spec from debian packaging (or vice versa)?00:09
lcukdjszapi__, well that goes back to the ivory towers things00:09
faenildoesn't work XD00:09
djszapi__faenil :D00:10
djszapi__lcuk: sorry ?00:10
lcukdjszapi__, well that handset build used in harmattan could very easily have been built in public on the meego handset00:10
djszapi__I am not getting you.00:11
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lcuknm, time for tv tonight \o00:12
djszapi__kimju: at least, alien helps something00:12
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kimjuI'd like to be able to compile same source in obs for harmattan and meego(-ce)00:13
kimjuwithout maintaining two branches00:13
kimjuwishful thinking?00:13
djszapi__why not write the rpm and use alien ?00:14
javispedrodo you really think a project to install meego compliant .rpms on Harmattan would help matters much?00:14
djszapi__Actually, someone even did it this way in the past.00:15
djszapi__for some packages, at least.00:15
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kimjuhow that would work with aegis?00:17
javispedrotwo ways I can think00:17
djszapi__kimju: well, obviously no way for that :)00:17
javispedroa) as long as develsh is as privileged as it currently is do the same dpkg does00:18
javispedrob) if option a fails, create a fake deb package and install it.00:18
Stskeepsjavispedro: i still have 100eur out for whoever shows it is trivial and does it00:18
javispedro(option B is actually what Alien does...)00:18
Stskeepsjavispedro: for set of meego compliant 1.2 armhf packages00:18
SpeedEvilStskeeps: Shows what is trivial?00:18
StskeepsSpeedEvil: able to accept meego compliant rpms00:19
* SpeedEvil has been putting solar stuff on roof, not keeping up.00:19
Stskeepson harmattan00:19
javispedrohave you tried, ehm, alien? :)00:21
Stskeepsjavispedro: i cant be arsed doing it myself, but just to show how little effort harmattan guys could have gone through00:22
javispedrothe main issue is that I've stopped seeing the benefit00:22
javispedrois there really _any_ common API between any of the meego UXes that works for anything other that completely non-native looking QML interfaces?00:23
javispedroI mean, I go to the Meego 1.2 API reference and it still shows Qt Widget stuff. That is completely unusable on Harmattan.00:23
Stskeepsnot disagreeing, as i said, ivory towers on both sides00:24
Stskeepsbut the problem is that even for stuff that could run, people make debs instead - we even have a qt components impl on meego n900 CE00:24
Stskeepsso stuff would actually run00:25
Stskeepsbut anyway, sleep time for me00:25
djszapi__javispedro: qt components is rather common00:25
javispedronot common :)00:27
djszapi__sorry ?00:28
javispedrothat they are not _exactly_ the same00:28
javispedrowhich is the requeriment here00:28
djszapi__what is the sense of qt components, if it is not common ?00:28
djszapi__That was my whole impression about it.00:28
djszapi__if it is not common, it is no go for me.00:28
javispedrowell, the harmattan components were closed until very recently00:36
javispedrotherefore meego had its own version00:36
Stskeepsi mean, we have harmattan components00:37
javispedrono idea if what Stskeeps meant above is that they got the harmattan components to work on the n900 CE00:37
javispedroah :)00:37
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djszapi__javispedro: well, qt components are no go for me in the future until it gets common00:52
faenilomg watching at my 3d level doing camera rotation animation is amazing XD00:52
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M4rtinKrzr, djszapi: I have submitted updated gtk package from Fremantle to your harmattan community repository01:01
M4rtinKyou have probably pulled an old version previously, this one builds in my repo and works on device :)01:02
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djszapi__M4rtinK: excellent thanks.01:06
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arceanI've took a photo @ 12MPix01:18
special..interesting. How?01:19
faenilwith n950?01:20
arceanJust build and run Camera example from qt-mobility01:20
faenilwell yeah01:20
faenilN950 should have 12mpx camera..01:21
faenilat least that's what rumours said01:21
arceanmaybe rumors are true ;)01:21
faenilanyway that's great! congrats :D01:21
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arcean'“produce similar quality” images' gets a new meaning now ;)01:23
djszapi__faenil: how could you place an opengl widget properly into the qml context ?01:23
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faenildjszapi__: created QDeclarativeItem, used beginNativePainting() and endNativePainting()01:25
faenilput a check in the paint() to call initializeGL() at first paint01:25
faeniland put a timer to invalidate the qdeclarativeitem01:25
faenilif you have any specific question...01:26
djszapi__sounds hackish :D01:26
* djszapi__ runs :p01:26
djszapi__but I am happy if it works at least.01:27
faenilelpuri_ told me it was easy and I got confident :D01:27
djszapi__so we can play starcraft 3d now ?01:28
faenilahahah xD01:28
faenilfound some icons, and put zoom in/out and rotate animations :)01:30
faenilneed to implement camera move on touch01:30
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faenildamn I forgot I have to add a level editor with drag&drop too for the exam :(01:35
faenilI'll never finish it before 5th...01:35
djszapi__welcome to the reinveting the wheel world with its result ;)01:36
* djszapi__ runs :p01:36
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* faenil faenil chases djszapi__01:37
faenildjszapi__: do you know what's  the signal of MouseArea that tracks touch input?01:38
faenilonPressed takes the touch01:38
faenilonPressAndHold only launched one signal I guess, when the hold time timeouts01:39
faeniltimes out* or whatever xD01:39
faenilmaybe onEntered works good for touch01:40
djszapi__well we have gluoninput I wrote.01:41
djszapi__that solves the dirty details :D01:41
djszapi__so yep, keep reinventing :)01:41
djszapi__What is your game concept btw ?01:41
faenilok no problem :D I will ;)01:41
faenilsokoban clone in 3d01:41
faenilany chance you'll play it? you like it?01:45
djszapi__yeah, I can try it out after I finished the snake game :p01:46
faenilgood luck with that :D01:47
faenilthe biggest fear I have after the drag&drop editor is the player animation XD01:48
djszapi__player as in the character in the game ?01:48
faenilyes :D01:49
djszapi__why not use animated sprite ?01:49
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Venemo_finally, I'm at home!01:50
faenilin 3d?01:50
djszapi__Venemo_ o/ :)01:50
Venemo_yes, in 3d01:50
Venemo_djszapi__ :)01:50
djszapi__faenil: animated mesh :D01:51
faenilanimated mesh, that's the problem :)01:51
faenildo you have an .ASE importer on GLUON ? :D01:53
djszapi__assimp ?01:53
djszapi__and we wrote the management for that, another reinveting on you..01:54
faenilhaahahah lol01:55
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djszapi__to be honest, you could have just concentrated on creating the game itself, and you could make a brilliant game.01:55
djszapi__this way, you are trying to reinvent what the platform already solved, and you have just a little time for the game itself.01:55
djszapi__btw, assimp sounds weird projectname... xD01:56
faenilI'll probably rewrite the game once the exam is done, that's no problem :) but this way I learn how things work...01:56
faenilyeah weird enough xD01:56
djszapi__but why learn how to learn if it is not a niche on the market ?01:57
djszapi__* how things work01:57
faenilbecause that's how I was taught to do if you want to master something...01:59
faenilstart from scratch, and build it yourself (not all XD)01:59
faenilthe errors you'll make will help you understand many things01:59
faenilmaybe I'll change my pov, but I'm still a student now02:00
faenilmy actual player (a textured box) is so funny, linear animations, so easy, I think I'll keep that XD02:04
faeniltime to go to bed..02:07
faenilgood night everyone!02:07
faeniland happy saturday night for those who're enjoying their summer instead of coding! (which is fun too XD902:07
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Venemonaw, finally, I'm from my laptop02:26
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elpuri_nothing hackish about it02:36
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javispedrowhile on the topic of android kernels..06:17
javispedroDocScrutinizer: seems that TI has been trying to upstream their wl12xx fm radio android driver06:18
javispedroit has obviously set a new low in quality.06:18
javispedroafter reading it I think I understand _LESS_ about the hardware.06:19
javispedroit's fscking insane. in fact, it expects some other module (propietary?) to fill in some function pointers06:19
javispedrootherwise it crashes06:19
DocScrutinizersounds like android, indeed06:19
javispedroit does have some information about regs though, and some regs/cmds are named differently that what the nokia driver calls it06:20
javispedroeither way, I've been able to extract some information from some of the spaghetti06:20
javispedronamely, when digital output mode is enabled06:20
javispedroit outputs to 4 places:06:21
javispedro- I2S06:21
javispedro- something called "PCM"06:21
javispedro- directly via BT HFP06:21
javispedro(aka fmrx -> BT, who would want?)06:21
DocScrutinizernot A2DP?06:22
javispedrohands free profile06:22
javispedroyes, A2DP is the #406:22
javispedroactually A3DP06:22
javispedrobut here comes the interesting thing06:22
javispedrothe PCM output has a configurable mux called PCMH06:23
javispedroit has like a billion layers of abstraction between "switchDigitalAudioOutput()" and the actual opcodes sent to the device06:25
javispedroand I can't follow the logic, so no idea what it does to configure all of this.06:25
javispedroie it tries to send an array called azpsArrayOpcodes (I _hate_ hungarian notation)06:26
javispedroand i cannot find who finds that array06:26
infobotjavispedro meant: and i cannot find who fills that array06:26
javispedro(note: I made up the array name)06:27
javispedroeither way, no idea what this PCM output is06:28
DocScrutinizerso it dumps a whole register image, after filling it at random places with random opcodes, triggered by spaghetti code06:28
javispedroI was hoping to find a clear register with I2S mux configuration :)06:28
javispedroand there IS mention of something called IS2H06:28
javispedrobut no idea what to do about it06:28
javispedroand how to do anything to it..06:29
javispedroin fact, it could be something that is pure sw06:29
* javispedro is actually considering forgetting this piece of code ever existed..06:29
DocScrutinizerI feel with you06:29
DocScrutinizerno reply to your request for help/docs yet?06:30
javispedroit has more than 100 K lines of code06:30
DocScrutinizer(my mail been down for like 2 weeks)06:30
javispedronope, no reply yet.06:30
DocScrutinizermaybe just another dead mail account06:31
DocScrutinizerI had a similar dead mail account (and probably still have) @openmoko.com06:31
javispedroI think there's a rather large TI NDA here.06:33
javispedrostill not understand why they can't comment on the Nokia device configuration06:33
DocScrutinizerthey could06:34
DocScrutinizerat very least they could tell us they won't for blahblub reason06:34
DocScrutinizerwell quim suggested any hw related questions shall go to FMC06:36
* javispedro tries to understand how could someone baloon a fm driver to the 100,000 lines of code range06:36
javispedrorun wc -l on the repo I quoted above06:37
DocScrutinizerhell this thing must handle station switching based on RDS06:37
javispedro99588 lines06:38
javispedrono wonder I always get lost06:38
DocScrutinizerunless 80% were comment06:38
DocScrutinizereven then...06:39
DocScrutinizerI mean this isn't the omap3630 user manual06:39
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javispedroeither way06:43
javispedroI have no idea what this PCMH thing is, but one thing is: I could have been wrong about the I2S thing being connected06:43
javispedroit could be this PCMH thing instead.06:43
* DocScrutinizer has the strange feeling like PCM and I2S are the same interface, just slightly different protocol06:44
javispedrogood point!06:45
javispedrothat could explain why there was no mention in the pin descriptions06:46
DocScrutinizermoo hiemanshu06:46
javispedroie why I couldn't find PCMI / PCMO pins06:46
hiemanshuhey DocScrutinizer06:46
javispedromoo hiemanshu06:46
hiemanshumoo javispedro06:46
DocScrutinizerhey, with werner almesberger I'm about to discuss basics for a true PCB RE sw tool, to create schematics from pics like Maybe after finishing that and treating a N950 that way we get wiser06:52
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* javispedro reads wl1271 halfschematic again ot see if it enlightens me07:08
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javispedrook, in the example connectivity figure07:09
javispedrothey show the PCM interface connected to McBSP307:09
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javispedroand _only_ that one07:10
javispedroso either the proposed connectivity does not have any kind of fmrx audio, or the mux exists.07:11
javispedrostill, the PCM_* pins are clearly labeled "Bluetooth Audio"07:11
javispedroWL1273_PCM_MODE_SET command07:13
javispedrounused except cleared to zero during startup07:13
javispedroI want info!!07:13
javispedro#define WL1273_PCM_DEF_MODE0x0007:14
javispedro/* I2S protocol, left channel first, data width 16 bits */07:14
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hiemanshuAB level 7 needs you to have Magic enabled :/07:53
berndhsCould it be worse?08:06
hiemanshuyou need to tap another player with AB with all 6 levels done to unlock08:06
hiemanshuwhich means 'Find another N9 user'08:07
hiemanshuatleast from what I can understand08:07
specialso if you're in north america, you'd be screwed?08:07
berndhsIf  could get textinput to not auto capitlize the 1st letter...08:08
hiemanshuberndhs: Qt?08:08
hiemanshusorry I mean QML08:08
berndhsI think just qml08:09
hiemanshuberndhs: look at InputMethodHinting08:09
hiemanshuberndhs: something like inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText | Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase08:10
hiemanshuin QML08:10
berndhsAh, makes sense08:10
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rantomI tried to run apt-get update and got "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"09:25
rantomAnd the answer would be no. I tried to use Applications manager but there was (again) "No applications installed" and using the Store just hanged up09:25
rantomShould I force it to use rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg ?09:26
rantomTo be more precise, I also get: "Unable to open lock /var/lib/dpkg - open (11: Resource temprorarily unavailable)09:32
rantomps aux  | egrep -i 'apt|ftp|kpack|dpkg'  | less - prints:09:36
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tommajust remove the lock10:02
dm8tbrrantom: you devel-sh'd or sthg like that, right?10:03
dm8tbryou'll need to have the right caps to run apt-get10:03
rantomSame problem if trying to do it after: ssh root@localhost10:06
kimjuthat sounds like appmgrd running and keeping the lock10:06
rantomkillall: appmgrd: no process killed10:07
tommaremove the lock file and use pkgmgr10:07
rantomSo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?10:08
kimjuyes, if the process that generated it has gone10:08
rantomHmm, whatever command I use with pkgmgr I get "Error: service is shutting down manually"10:10
rantomYeah, removing the lock-file worked10:14
rantomWould like to know though why this keeps happening10:15
rantomWouldn't removing certain files be: rm -f *.vcf ?10:16
rantomIn this case I'd remove all vcf-files10:16
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rantomYes it would10:19
rantomBut hey, thanks, that helped :10:20
rantomI'm still getting though "No installed software" in Applications manager10:22
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JaffaMorning, all11:59
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faenilgood morning everyoooone!12:17
faenilIt's sundaaaay12:17
rantomBack to work tomorrow :(12:17
faeniltomorrow is another day :D12:18
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faenilanyone got advices or a good manual about camera panning in 3d space via touch input?15:16
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* RST38h moos evilly, runs around the channel15:55
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RST38hStskeeps: What's new and exciting, while I have been away? =)15:58
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RST38hStskeeps: I see NYC got flooded, while I have been in the air =)16:04
Stskeepsi'm sure you're to blame ;)16:08
MohammadAGwhat's new? i'm at college and the dorms are meh16:12
Stskeepsif there's no fungus growing on the walls or people threatening to beat you up in your common kitchens, you're fine16:14
hiemanshusup people16:18
hiemanshuMohammadAG: co-ed?16:18
Stskeepsah, a good question too16:18
RST38hMohammad: Have you already checked the fridge for the signs of intelligent life?16:19
* Stskeeps really enjoyed his life in the dorm16:20
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hiemanshuI hate how the N950 can only have 8G of music :(16:22
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wazdhi all16:41
hiemanshuhey wazd16:42
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wazdif anyone's still here, waht do you think bout that kind of "dial" widget? :)
faenilwhere's the dial widget?17:13
Stskeepswazd: if combined with vibrator patterns..17:13
wazdfaenil: between "brighntess" and numbers :)17:14
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faeniloh...nice! :)17:14
hiemanshuwazd: lovely!17:15
hiemanshuwazd: does it have transitions like its moving and such?17:15
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wazdhiemanshu: sure, and kinetic scrolling17:15
rantomAh, dial, not dialer17:15
rantomI was already quite confused.. "where's the dialer?"17:15
rantomwazd: cool17:16
hiemanshuwazd: \o/17:16
hiemanshuwazd: me want17:16
faenilanyone has experience with opengl 3d space camera panning??17:16
MohammadAGhiemanshu, co-what?17:17
hiemanshuMohammadAG: co-ed, guys and girls on the same floors17:17
MohammadAG3 people in one room, including me, one's a classmate and the other's an Israeli17:17
MohammadAGno, opposite side17:17
hiemanshuthats sad then17:17
MohammadAGnot that it matters, they don't give a shit, we had one with us17:18
lcuknahh its fun17:18
lcuklike capture the flag17:18
MohammadAGa friend of course, don't let your imagination go wild17:18
hiemanshulcuk: hah17:18
hiemanshualso, ehy lcuk17:18
MohammadAGStskeeps, clearly your dorm wasn't 3*5m17:18
faenillcuk: lol17:18
MohammadAGor 3*717:18
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: well unless there are girls your floor, that dorm surely is meh17:18
MohammadAGwith shared kitchens and bathrooms17:18
MohammadAGhiemanshu, it's kinda like american schools17:19
hiemanshuyou make your own food?17:19
MohammadAGit's not indoor17:19
MohammadAGlike, if you go out your room you're outside17:19
hiemanshuMohammadAG: ah17:19
berndhsin the tourist industry, they call that a "bungalow" and charge you more money17:23
MohammadAGexcept it doesn't qualify to be called a bungalow17:24
RST38ha hut, maybe?17:24
MohammadAGat least IRC has 0.1 lag here17:33
Stskeepsif you have 100mbit/s between eachother on the dorm, take good use of it17:34
RST38hStskeeps <-- encouraging blatant piracy =)17:35
RST38hThat, or camwhoring =)17:35
StskeepsRST38h: i'm talking about distributing around meego iso's and creative commons material, shame on you17:36
SpeedEvilOr  both.17:36
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RST38hViruses then.17:37
Venemo_N950whoever the f*ck said that the N95's headset works with the N950 is a f*cking liar!17:39
Venemo_N950I've just repaired my N95's headset (replaced the battery in it), now it works with the N95 once more17:39
Venemo_N950but the control buttons don't work with the N95017:39
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evilJazzVenemo, did you try directly in the Music application? AVCRP via my car's Pioneer radio only works when the Music app is activated and the screen is not locked. Quite different behavior from my N900.17:44
RST38hOvi Suite = ...  .... . ... . . . ...17:50
Venemo hm18:01
VenemoevilJazz, hmmm18:01
RST38hYou Tentacledness in the depths of the sea, please, arise and feast on Ovi Suite developer team with extreme prejudice18:05
RST38hPlease, also catch the ones who left Nokia and punish them too18:05
VenemoRST38h :D18:13
javispedroRST38h: what was it this time? new QA policy involves ensuring your application runs at least as slow as the stock ones?18:13
Venemoafter turning the N950 on/off, the N95 headset works.... curious, isn't it.18:13
faenilbugged, isn't it18:16
javispedroah, Ovi Suite, not Store, that is new.18:18
* javispedro was still using the older one and been suggesting everyone he knows to do so unless they want to lose calendar sync ability with $FAVOURITE_PROGRAM18:18
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Venemofaenil, yeah, bugged like hell18:45
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Venemo~seen Arkenoi18:51
infobotarkenoi <~ark@> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 7h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'spent'.18:52
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rantom550MA is too little for N950?19:00
rantomI have the AC-6E micro-USB charger19:01
artemmDoes anybody know where the final app version number is coming from?19:10
artemmBy default it is 0.0.1 and project file search found this string in changelog file only. It can't be the source, can it? :/19:10
SpeedEvilI'd imagine it's set somewhere as 0 0 1 - in seperate vars19:14
artemmI suspect the same, problem is how to find it. I've got plenty of zeros and ones in the project code :)19:14
javispedroartemm: you mean the debian/changelog?19:15
javispedroartemm: you have a larger version number there?19:15
javispedrobecause scripts that get the current version number from there are quite common.19:15
artemmthere is line generated by wizard: "discountcalcharmattanapp (0.0.1) unstable; urgency=low"19:15
artemmdisclaimer: I don't really know how the make system works19:16
javispedroand I don't know how QtC works.19:16
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artemmtwo half-developers don't seem to make one full developer :)19:17
* javispedro thinks this is one rather large issue here19:18
javispedroI mean, on the webOS world, the "middleware" guys as qgil puts it developed a set of CLI tools (generate template, package, etc.) that is what the UI tools use19:18
javispedrotherefore, there's not such an abysm between what the UI tools do and what the CLI people do.19:19
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artemmwell, I actually don't remember how to set version for symbian build as well. I need it like once per app and then quickly forget19:20
artemm..need to write it down somewhere19:20
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artemminterestingly Applications (in N950 Settings app) and build file name totally ignore the fact that my .desktop file spcifies version as 1.019:22
artemmI start suspecting that app version and package version are two very different things19:22
javispedrothe version on the .desktop is not what you think it is19:23
javispedroit specifies the .desktop spec file version, so leave it at 1.0, always19:23
artemmOh, just found the place for version!19:23
artemmin UI that is19:24
artemmhell knows how it maps to files19:24
javispedroto change the version that is shown on the package manager/applcations preferences you need to change debian/changelog19:24
javispedrohowever, no idea how to do that from Qtc19:24
javispedromaybe Venemo knows?19:24
artemmTargets->Harmattan target -> Run -> create package19:25
artemmthen in one of the properties there's version number19:25
VenemoI do not use Qt Creator for packaging, but javispedro is right.19:25
artemmof course why package creation is in the Run tab and package is created only when pressing Run button is totally different story :)19:25
Venemoartemm, here is the solution for that story:
artemmoh, I had no iea you can copy your code to device without packaging19:29
artemmwill definitely think about it when it makes to public SDK19:29
Venemoartemm, well, it works now. and very well19:30
artemmsorry, too many console commands involving su in instructions19:30
artemmhave no plans to beg for a device replacement if it breaks anything19:30
artemmand to reflash as well actually19:30
artemmlet's say pain from packaging isn't that big for me as my app is small and 90% of time I develop code on desktop anyway19:31
artemmmost of device specific activities are about packaging :)19:31
Venemoartemm, so you're saying that you think that my advice will break your device.19:32
artemmmore like a combination of words "su", "devel" and "root" in one paragraph makes me think I really need to read instructions carefully before executing them19:33
artemmsomehow I prefer to spend "real thinking time" on the app business logic until build issues become pain in the bottom. Like it happened with the build version19:34
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Venemowell, I hate to wait too long for my app to run.19:35
Venemothis is why I made this tutorial, in case others hate it too19:35
artemmand then instructions ask for a nightly build. A couple of my last experiments with 2.3 RC were failures, not in the mood to spend an hour for trying prerelease stuff again19:36
artemmhey, if packaging starts being pain in the bottom, I will definitely try that :)19:36
artemmthose for who it's a bottleneck must be greateful already19:37
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artemmI was fortunate to be able to do 90% of everything on a desktop build19:37
artemmnothing beats the cycle speed of just QmlViewer19:37
artemmAll of my hundred tests run under 10-15 sec and quite many of them are full ui tests, not just unit tests19:38
Venemoartemm, "just QML Viewer"?19:41
ajalkane_N950artemm, what's a good framework for unit testing QML?19:42
artemmNokia's one :)19:42
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artemmthere are some pretty cool features for what's always difficult for testing frameworks19:42
artemmsuch as ui input testing (including mouse) and asynchronous stuff19:43
ajalkane_N950ok thx, will look at that if I fancy doing things properly19:43
Venemohow can that handle the stuff that I give to QML from C++?19:43
artemmI don't have such stuff19:43
artemmwell, I do, but really minimal19:44
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artemmeasy to simulate if code is run in the viewer19:44
Venemoall my app logic is in C++19:44
artemmand if you do have a lot of cpp stuff, then just qmlviewer is unlikely to satisfy you anyway :)19:44
berndhsyeah if its minimal logic, you can stub it in qml, but if it's not,...19:44
Venemothis is why qml viewer is no use to me at all.19:45
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artemmdepends on how complex your UI is. If you still want/need to test-drive it, work with stubs and test-doubles19:45
Venemothat's what I did when I started it19:46
artemmif it's just rendering two images for stuff coming from C++, maybe you don't need automatic tests for ui anyway19:46
Venemothere was the GUI and a "stub" C++ backend19:46
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berndhsmaybe someone knows today: how to i change the user-agent string in QML WebView, so the server knows i'm a mobile ?19:48
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Venemoberndhs, ask that in #qt-qml19:50
berndhsfew months ago the answer was "you don't" :)19:51
VenemoI do not know the answer19:52
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Venemofrals, ping20:49
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wazdthp: ping!21:09
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rcgare there issues with the obs?21:23
rcgbesides workes being suspicously idle.. the status of newly added packages is not updating.. well, i can wait :)21:26
javispedroyes, it's broken21:31
javispedrofor harmattan only that is21:31
javispedrolcuk: btw, you asked for another game that used my SDL enhacements, and just found one!21:32
* javispedro is happy and clicks on the "Like" button21:33
javispedroalso, a particle game! I love those.21:33
* javispedro should probably follow the f.m.c. announcements more closely...21:34
djszapi__yep, particle system is a crucial requirement nowadays21:34
hiemanshujavispedro: SDL works?21:35
javispedrohiemanshu: yes, it's what I've been working on for the last three weeks or so =)21:36
hiemanshujavispedro: \o/21:36
hiemanshutime for me to get openTTD working21:36
javispedroI already have it packaged for maemo, with several patches21:36
hiemanshujavispedro: SDL or openttd? :P21:36
hiemanshuah, yes I have it on every machine I own21:37
hiemanshuinlcuding the N900, but since the N900 is my primary phone I need the battery, so openttd on the n950 would be nice21:37
javispedrohowever unless someone tells me how to do a proper high DPI UI..21:37
hiemanshumaybe a few other games21:37
javispedromaybe it'll be better to restart openttd-maemo but from someone else's fork instead of mainline21:38
javispedrothe DS one is quite playable on very lowres but probably has too many changes21:38
javispedroand I need to try and get at least kinetic scrolling upstreamed...21:47
javispedroso many projects...21:47
javispedroso little time :)21:48
djszapi__and it will be just worse ;)21:48
RST38hOpenTTD. Yessss21:50
javispedroRST38h: on capacitive?21:50
RST38hwith a small resolution, it will work21:51
javispedroyou know what happens on the N900....21:51
alteregoMight make a nice media PC ..21:51
RST38hand if you disable allthe annoying warning popups (should be asetting somewhere)21:51
javispedroRST38h: it is a setting indeed21:52
javispedroRST38h: it's the latest toolbaricon (iiirc a ? symbol)21:52
javispedroyou can set all popups to be shown as notices in the ticker/scroller21:52
* RST38h needs to update harmattan packages 21:53
alterego854x480 pico projector, should I .. should I not ..21:53
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javispedrosomeone should put a warning that obs harmattan is broken, I see too many submit attempts..22:17
lcukjavispedro, the builder statuses seem fine22:18
javispedrolcuk: if you try to build some package that has harmattan target it quickly changes to "broken repository setup"22:18
javispedrolcuk: plus, on the -boss, there are many commits/version changes but not build starts or ends22:19
lcukyeah I have seen them today22:19
javispedrothere are a fwe build_success but all of them have been non-harmattan so far.22:19
lcukjavispedro, the package name and version would help in the boss viewer22:20
lcuki filed a bug about the version22:20
lcukbut name as well would help22:20
javispedroand maybe target for build messages22:20
javispedroalso, all of the workers in COBS are completely idle :)22:21
lcukjavispedro, file a bug22:21
lcukthen next time someone is in there it might be added22:22
javispedrowhat's the bug# you already filed?22:22
* javispedro plans to reuse lcuk's feature request =)22:22
lcuka moment22:22
MeeGoBotBug 22752 tri, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, [FEA] Addition of revision number on #MeeGo-BOSS irc logs22:23
thpwazd: pong22:27
wazdthp: woo :)22:30
javispedrolcuk: ta!22:30
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djszapi__lcuk o/22:38
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Jaffaalterego: I'm at the other end - thinking about how to upgrade my desktop to something beyond an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and GeForce 7300GT22:47
alteregoI just ordered a new 2TB USB3 external drive22:52
alteregoAnd one of these:
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alteregoGonna use it for a media center.22:56
alteregoPlug it into my HDTV and it's got digital audio so I can plug that into my surround system. :)22:56
BrettQ_so, with Aegis disabled using javispedro's workaround, Optware can be setup and seems to work22:56
Venemodjszapi__, ping22:57
Venemohey alterego, what's up? :)22:57
alteregoHey Venemo, I'm pretty good, how about yourself?22:58
Venemoalterego, just returned from holiday yesterday :)22:59
alteregoNice, go anywhere nice?22:59
Venemoalterego, btw, are you on facebook?23:00
MohammadAGYou can also stalk alterego on your local twitter23:01
VenemoI don't wanna stalk23:01
MohammadAGhe lives next to "The Pub"23:01
alteregoI use facebook for family and close friends, and twitter for everything else :P23:01
MohammadAGThat's what they all say23:01
MohammadAGthat automatically translates to I'll reject your request if you add me23:02
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MohammadAGso, the israeli left out dorm23:02
Venemoit would help my language skills if I could read English stuff on facebook too23:02
MohammadAGmust've been scared23:03
alteregowin /1223:03
MohammadAGall that's left is me and my classmate23:04
MohammadAGI've been up for 48 hours, had an energy drink (eww) but I don't feel like sleeping23:04
MohammadAGI fee like plugging my amp at full volume and putting some songs on23:08
MohammadAGgiven this is my first day and i don't feel like being expelled, I won't do that23:08
VenemoMohammadAG, first day at uni?23:10
VenemoMohammadAG, congrats :)23:10
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