| Venemo | spenap, I found it | 00:00 |
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| Venemo | but now I get this. | 00:00 |
| Venemo | meh! | 00:00 |
| ieatlint | nope, N9s aren't out yet | 00:00 |
| Venemo | I only want that stupid TextArea to emit a linkActivated signal when the TextEdit emits the same. | 00:00 |
| crevetor | I know but some people already have them (Jukka has one for instance, maybe Quim too) | 00:00 |
| ieatlint | yeah, quim does | 00:01 |
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| Venemo | hm | 00:38 |
| Venemo | seems that this time I could hack it the way I wanted. | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, where's my mockup! :P | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, mockup of? | 01:12 |
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| Venemo | good evening :) | 02:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I have been using the Qt SDK as gotten on Qt's main website, and while I am successfully buildin, I am building QML apps on my N950, I can't seem to find the qt-components for Harmattan....where can I get those? | 03:08 |
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| hardaker | TSCHAKeee: sadly, only on the device at this point. | 03:10 |
| hardaker | which means you need to run your app either in the emulator or on the device itself. | 03:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | uh | 03:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | how in the hell are we supposed to develop with them? | 03:10 |
| hardaker | it'll still compile stuff for it and even auto-install and run it on the device. | 03:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | just blindly import and know what the component names are? | 03:11 |
| hardaker | well there is documentation. | 03:11 |
| hardaker | and all you need to import is "com.meego 1.0" | 03:11 |
| hardaker | to get them all. | 03:11 |
| hardaker | I've actually got to run... but i'll be back later; I'm surprised others aren't here to answer too (it's usually very noisy in here). | 03:12 |
| hardaker | (btw, you can also use straight qml without any special components and then it'll run on the desktop too) | 03:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh I nkow | 03:13 |
| Arkenoi | hmm, sim malfunction may cause n950 to ask for reflash, that's strange. i did software reset sim card and it showed me warning sign until it completed | 03:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | we've been making custom components | 03:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | but I wanted to see what I could do on just the N950 for our app | 03:13 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, file manager | 03:35 |
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| TSCHAKeee | hmmm I am getting this: | 04:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | BorderImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/meegotouch-toolbar-portrait-background | 04:51 |
| TSCHAKeee | what gives? | 04:51 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lovely | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i need help, nobody around | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | no info on google | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | looks like the qml components that ship with my n950 are bust | 05:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks a lot. | 05:05 |
| ajalkane | TSCHAKeee: qt-components for harmattan are in gitorious | 05:25 |
| ajalkane | you can get them from there and compile them for use in desktop | 05:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | that is my output from my N950 | 05:25 |
| ajalkane | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | this is an app that has multiple targets, including harmattan | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | it was running fine with the basic Qt Quick components we fashioned for desktop | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | but i wanted to try building a UI with the harmattan components | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | and am getting bizarre errors (such as what I pasted above.) | 05:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | am using an updated Qt Creator to do all my dev work | 05:27 |
| ajalkane | Well, the harmattan theme is proprietary. You can't include it in an app you distribute for desktop for example. | 05:27 |
| ajalkane | The error is just the missing harmattan theme | 05:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 05:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | shouldn't that be on the device? | 05:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am deploying TO my n950 | 05:29 |
| ajalkane | ok, I misunderstood, I thought you wanted to run it on desktop | 05:29 |
| ajalkane | yes it should be on desktop | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, I understand I can't do that | 05:30 |
| ajalkane | you can run it on desktop but it requires a bit work and is not redistributable on desktop | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | I can make a new Harmattan only project and it works | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | i don't need to run it on desktop | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | i have the real device | 05:30 |
| ajalkane | well let me see if I have that background pic | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | but see | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | if I make a new project | 05:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | that is SPECIFICALLY a harmattan app, which ONLY has that option | 05:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | then it finds the theme | 05:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | so what gives? | 05:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | wtf am I missing? | 05:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | jesus fucking christ, this is such a pain in the ass. | 05:32 |
| ajalkane | hmm... ok... so you have a desktop project and you've manually added harmattan target? Sorry I'm a bit lost here. | 05:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | cross platform my @#($#@(%#@ | 05:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | ajalkane: I have a large project that is QML and C++ based... | 05:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | and we have multiple targets selected... | 05:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | Initially, I was just going to use the standard Qt Quick components across everything | 05:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | and that works fine... | 05:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | but I wanted to try and use the Harmattan components ON my N950 target | 05:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | and do new qml to use them | 05:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | however, if I do this, I get all sorts of interesting error messages coming from my phone, including: | 05:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | http://pastebin.com/XrkdFduh | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | ajalkane: ^^ | 05:35 |
| ajalkane | How it locates the theme is is in some lib, maybe it's not linked with the project? | 05:35 |
| ajalkane | (I have the baby here with me, sorry if it takes sometimes a bit time for me) | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | maybe.. but i'm ... | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | you know what? | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | nevermind | 05:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | you obviously don't know the answer. | 05:36 |
| * TSCHAKeee goes back to hacking. | 05:36 | |
| ajalkane | not off hand, sorry | 05:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | if I selected Qt Quick Application when I first developed this, does this mean that the Harmattan Components won't work? | 05:51 |
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| your_nick_here | woohoo /j /join works :D | 06:59 |
| your_nick_here | yay | 06:59 |
| your_nick_here | i am hiemanshu btw | 06:59 |
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| RST38h | moo | 09:51 |
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| * RzR runs lemmings amiga game on his n950 | 10:14 | |
| RzR | but cant hardly play | 10:16 |
| Arkenoi | does not look like standby time for n950 with active messengers is going to be *much* better than n950. likely to be better, though | 10:17 |
| Arkenoi | just difference is not that big as some people expected | 10:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | TSL ported Pinball Fantasies | 10:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | did a fantastic job | 10:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's in the Ovi store | 10:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | one of those VH1 Where Are They Now moments... a legendary Amiga Demo group, now doing mobile phone games. | 10:20 |
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| RzR | yes i saw that on ovi | 10:26 |
| RzR | but i cant log in ovi :) | 10:26 |
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| RzR | i could run it if i had those F1 keys :) | 10:26 |
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| RzR | now runnning battle chess | 10:27 |
| RzR | if you remember good old disk too test fell free to suggest some i'll make a video demo | 10:31 |
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| rcg | morning all | 10:36 |
| Arkenoi | have to warn you all: restok.conf will be signature protected | 10:41 |
| Arkenoi | if you edit it by hand you will get | 10:42 |
| Arkenoi | With your capabilities we cannot go to MALF state | 10:42 |
| Arkenoi | Failed '/var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf' signature check | 10:42 |
| Arkenoi | Updating desktop entries... Done | 10:42 |
| Arkenoi | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 10:42 |
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| Venemo | morning | 10:58 |
| rcg | morning Venemo | 11:00 |
| Venemo | hey rcg :) | 11:00 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 11:00 |
| rcg | well.. am working on a treeview | 11:01 |
| Venemo | QML? | 11:01 |
| rcg | yep | 11:02 |
| Venemo | nice :) | 11:02 |
| rcg | maybe i can publish some screenshot today :) | 11:02 |
| rcg | hows your irc client going? | 11:02 |
| tomma | was there some way to take screenshot by some key combinations or something? | 11:11 |
| tomma | ok Ctrl+shift+p works outside my qml app | 11:14 |
| tomma | but not in | 11:14 |
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| frals | tomma: widgets gallery got a screenshot tool at least | 11:31 |
| ajalkane | ovi store has also good utility for screenshots | 11:33 |
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| ajalkane | its imo better than the widgets gallery one | 11:34 |
| Venemo | rcg, it's going well | 11:36 |
| tomma | frals, yeah found wg tool and seems to work | 11:38 |
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| wazd_ | hi all | 11:57 |
| rcg | Venemo: sounds great :) | 11:58 |
| rcg | hey wazd_ | 11:58 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu4.png <- check this out :) | 11:59 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu5.png <- and this one | 12:07 |
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| Venemo | rZr, ping | 13:56 |
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| alterego | woot | 14:16 |
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| RST38h | anyone knows if I can take over the volume buttons in my app??? | 14:18 |
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| alterego | Yes, I think it's the same as you do in fremantle. | 14:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 14:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: check your inbox :) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: goood | 14:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: yeaaah ;) thanks! taking the one with bright colors | 14:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: cool :) | 14:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: but it has got an error. There is no 82+SE. There is just plain old 82. Could you fix both images? | 14:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure. one moment | 14:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu7.png | 14:23 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu6.png | 14:24 |
| wazd | oh crap | 14:24 |
| wazd | 82, not + | 14:24 |
| wazd | RST38h: same links | 14:26 |
| Venemo | ~seen fiferboy | 14:28 |
| infobot | fiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 14h 39m 13s ago, saying: 'Venemo: Are you running the stock version on the N950?'. | 14:28 |
| Venemo | hm. | 14:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: aha, thanks | 14:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: wait I got no links just email attachments | 14:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: so what are the links? =) | 14:30 |
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| wazd | RST38h: <wazd> RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu7.png*** Qwertyu has quit IRC: Remote host closed the connection<wazd> RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu6.png | 14:35 |
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| RST38h | wazd:packaging, but found one more bug to fix | 14:40 |
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| RST38h | wazd:oh shit one more correction | 14:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: it is 73, not 73+SE =( | 14:44 |
| RST38h | a moment, something is wrong with these menus | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | wazd: the original menu has them as follows (left ot right, top to bottom): 85, 86, 82, 83, 83+, 73, 83+SE, 84+, 84+SE | 14:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: that should be the order =) | 14:45 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no 73+ ? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea | 14:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: 83+SE is there though | 14:51 |
| Venemo | joppu, ping | 14:51 |
| Venemo | ~seen joppu | 14:51 |
| infobot | joppu is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I'll see if I can come up with something presentable :P'. | 14:51 |
| RST38h | qml:Config.qml: Network error | 14:52 |
| RST38h | ???? | 14:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: I guess I've just forgot to change the number cause the skin looks like 83+SE :) | 14:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: updated the files, same links | 14:54 |
| RST38h | aha | 14:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: package ready. want it? | 15:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure | 15:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: the 84+SE image is still off, and I think you swapped 84+ and 84+se kbd images in that menu | 15:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: at least the se edition looks more gray/silvery to me :) | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | but aside from these two issues, works like a charm | 15:01 |
| RST38h | catch the dcc | 15:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: I guess it would be better to mail me | 15:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: it doesn't work | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | ack | 15:03 |
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| wazd | RST38h: got it | 15:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: gtg bbl :) | 15:07 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: do you have a small testcase application that reproduces the xv tearing bug on the N950? | 16:52 |
| lcuk | javispedro, not immediately I do not | 16:52 |
| lcuk | i have a few things to do but will try best to put one together for you | 16:53 |
| javispedro | thanks! but no hurries, take your time | 16:53 |
| javispedro | I'm still exploring the driver to see how to do vsynced 2D and RGB xv does not seem out of the question | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | can someone provide static images like these http://www.navigadget.com/wp-content/postimages/2009/06/iphone-3gs-digital-compass.jpg ? | 16:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you mean, "draw" them? | 16:55 |
| javispedro | maybe wazd =) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | javispedro, alterego should know | 16:56 |
| lcuk | his app looks like that | 16:56 |
| lcuk | and doesn't qmlcompass already look similar | 16:57 |
| javispedro | but not that cute so far :) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | javispedro, rgb xv was something I heard about a long time ago | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it looks primitive, simple | 16:58 |
| * lcuk just hand draws an arrow | 16:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dolland-London-Brass-Sundial-Compass-Leather-Case-/260733134226?pt=UK_Antiques_Science_RL&hash=item3cb4e7e592 | 17:09 |
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| joppu | Venemo: pong | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | mwahaha, triple buffered | 17:50 |
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| javispedro | helo RST38h | 17:51 |
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| hiemanshu_N950 | hey people | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 18:02 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | Venemo, it works :) | 18:02 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | SpeedEvil, wannan try out the irc client? | 18:02 |
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| hiemanshu_ | changing nicks works too :) | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I am almost done with the packages | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: Sure. | 18:05 |
| RST38h | javispedro:in fact, yesterday versions are available from rm_you's repo | 18:05 |
| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: http://bit.ly/qHzXcc you need libircclient-qt from rZr's repo | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :) I'll try to dig it up later - in the middle of house stuff ATM. | 18:06 |
| hiemanshu | no problem, Venemo is planning a public release soon | 18:07 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and where is that? :) | 18:07 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: let me know when you are around | 18:07 |
| Venemo | hmhm? | 18:08 |
| Venemo | ah, yes. | 18:08 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: join #irc-chatter please | 18:08 |
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| Venemo | joppu, do you feel like making an icon for an IRC client? | 18:09 |
| RST38h | javispedro: deb http://sheeplauncher.net/debs/ ./ | 18:10 |
| Venemo | joppu, since you have a good reputation in making icons :) | 18:10 |
| Venemo | joppu, it doesn't have to be complicated | 18:10 |
| joppu | I'll see about it; been REALLY busy with my work recently | 18:10 |
| Venemo | joppu, oh, sorry | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: Take the x-chat icon, replace with a V? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, why V? | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | V enemo | 18:11 |
| Venemo | :P | 18:11 |
| Venemo | I was thinking of a harmattan-style background with a speech bubble or something like that | 18:11 |
| tomma | just do something with inkscape and use http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ to add harmattan icon background | 18:14 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:15 |
| Venemo | tomma, I would, but I can't handle Inkscape at all. | 18:16 |
| tomma | maybe i am drunk enough to do one =) | 18:16 |
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| Venemo | tomma, sure! I was thinking of that orange background that the RSS app uses... and a chat bubble with a hashmark # on top of that. | 18:16 |
| Venemo | all right now, let me reboot to Fedora, and I'll come back | 18:18 |
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| joppu | Hey, the hashmark was my idea :D | 18:21 |
| tomma | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e4696a381585_icon.svg | 18:22 |
| tomma | whii | 18:22 |
| joppu | I decided to I might as well give it a shot | 18:22 |
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| tomma | javispedro, is there some bug with dropshadow? as it seems to be clipped somehow there? | 18:23 |
| * Venemo is back | 18:23 | |
| javispedro | tomma: can you retry saving it as a "plain SVG" in inkscape? | 18:23 |
| javispedro | either way I am not sure it will fix it, I thought doing automated operations on SVGs would be a breeze but seems it's more like an art. | 18:24 |
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| tomma | it seems to work with own drop shadow...http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e4697253a418_icon.svg | 18:25 |
| tomma | yeah it was inkscape svg... | 18:25 |
| tomma | why is there so many different formats | 18:25 |
| Venemo | I need some serious help from a QML guru! | 18:26 |
| tomma | doesn't seem to affect anything | 18:26 |
| joppu | you gotta be fucking kidding me | 18:28 |
| joppu | inkscape crashed | 18:28 |
| npm_ | lovely ad google pops up these days: "Invest in nok stock for $4" | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is anyone aware of 'A guide for hardware makers wanting to make NFC hardware for the N9' or similar sorts of documents tht might be out there? | 18:34 |
| npm_ | nice SVG's -- is there a "background standard harmattan" svg for icons anybody can point me to? | 18:36 |
| npm_ | so i can make my own | 18:36 |
| joppu | Venemo: http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/path1040.png | 18:37 |
| joppu | I tried | 18:37 |
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| Venemo | joppu, exactly what I was thinking about :) could you make this with an orange background? | 18:37 |
| Venemo | joppu, and with the necessary N950 resolution | 18:38 |
| Venemo | (not sure how big that is exactly) | 18:38 |
| joppu | it's 80x80 as required | 18:38 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 18:38 |
| joppu | refresh | 18:40 |
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| Venemo | joppu, GREAT :) | 18:40 |
| Venemo | joppu, one more small thing: could you flip the chat bubble horizontally? (not the hasmark, just the bubble) | 18:41 |
| joppu | sure thing | 18:41 |
| tomma | Venemo, you can use svg as icon | 18:42 |
| Venemo | joppu, just because I want it to resemle the icon of the Messges app as little as possible | 18:42 |
| Venemo | tomma, I have no idea how, and don't have the time to learn it now. | 18:43 |
| tomma | same way as png | 18:43 |
| tomma | it is just scalable | 18:43 |
| tomma | /usr/share/icons/scalable | 18:43 |
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| Venemo | and what do I get out of it? | 18:45 |
| Venemo | hmm | 18:45 |
| Venemo | scalable. hm | 18:45 |
| Venemo | well in that case, joppu, if you have it in SVG format as well, could you please upload that too somewhere? | 18:45 |
| tomma | you can use same icon anywhere? | 18:45 |
| tomma | anywhere that supports it =) | 18:46 |
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| npm_ | some good source for icons : http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/images.htm#.TkV7_9QCegc.facebook | 18:46 |
| joppu | http://joppu.kapsi.fi/stuff/path1040_mirror.png | 18:47 |
| Venemo | joppu, great, exactly what I imagined :) | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | joppu, you've done great work, as always :) | 18:48 |
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| npm_ | MINE!!! http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f389/party_popper.svg | 18:49 |
| joppu | Venemo: appreciated :) | 18:49 |
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| joppu | too bad it won't earn me a dev device :/ | 18:49 |
| npm_ | wish there was a program to drop in a SVG URL and get a harmattan icon out | 18:49 |
| Venemo | npm_, use javispedro's stuff | 18:50 |
| npm_ | where? | 18:50 |
| javispedro | npm_: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ | 18:50 |
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| npm_ | cool thanks javispedro | 18:50 |
| javispedro | there are actually two converters by now | 18:50 |
| javispedro | mine is svg based but there was another one on tmo, png based | 18:50 |
| npm_ | awesome | 18:50 |
| Venemo | joppu, can I have an SVG of it? | 18:51 |
| hiemanshu_N950 | joppu, lovely icon :) | 18:52 |
| npm_ | "party popper" .... it's a good thing people don't remember the 70's with an icon name like that... | 18:52 |
| npm_ | Warning: Division by zero in /home/javispedro/srv/depot/nit/hicg/index.php on line 222 | 18:55 |
| npm_ | source was : http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f389/party_popper.svg | 18:56 |
| npm_ | oh need to prescale | 18:57 |
| javispedro | npm_: open in inkspace, hit File -> Document propierties -> Adjust page to content | 18:58 |
| javispedro | leave no margins, click Adjust | 18:58 |
| javispedro | then Save As .... Plain Svg (*.svg) | 18:58 |
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| joppu | Venemo: the backround squicle thing isn't a vector :( | 18:58 |
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| Venemo | joppu, aah. well then, I'll just use your latest png :) | 19:00 |
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| joppu | the templates were in shitty adobe format so I had to export them out as raster | 19:01 |
| Venemo | aah. how disappointing. | 19:01 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/template.svg | 19:02 |
| javispedro | though obviously you need to change the colors to match Nokia's templates though | 19:02 |
| decipher | hi guys. I have an N950 and today it died totally out of the blue. | 19:02 |
| javispedro | but the paths et all already exactly match | 19:02 |
| decipher | now the device keeps rebooting right after the boot screen | 19:03 |
| decipher | trying to reflash gives this: ERROR: SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1: Unknown error | 19:03 |
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| decipher | I am an external at Nokia so I have access to all of the harmattan repos. | 19:04 |
| decipher | whenever I try to flash something it asks for the APE algo image (which I think should come from the FIASCO?) | 19:04 |
| decipher | can anyone help with this? | 19:04 |
| javispedro | npm_: though the result is too gray for my taste: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e46a0c27a8c4_icon.png ;P | 19:05 |
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| npm_ | awesome... i was about to give up because the cone just turned into a triangle | 19:09 |
| npm_ | was going to try http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f300/cyclone.svg | 19:09 |
| lcuk | javispedro, that looks more like a vuvuzela | 19:11 |
| javispedro | I just implemented the custom dominant color feature that was requested long ago | 19:12 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e46a267be045_icon.png | 19:12 |
| javispedro | red hot vuvuzuela! | 19:12 |
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| joppu | doesn't look like it't conforming to the size restrictions too much ;P | 19:18 |
| Venemo | I need to leave, will be back later | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | do you think venemo has a cape? | 19:19 |
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| javispedro | joppu: was thinking the same but it is actually pixel perfect 55x55 | 19:27 |
| javispedro | probably optical illusion or something | 19:27 |
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| javispedro | oh | 19:29 |
| javispedro | it should be 54x54 but SVG actually works with subpixel precision so.. | 19:30 |
| javispedro | so there it is, one pixel smaller: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e46a719a2305_icon.png | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: PING? | 19:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: pong | 19:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | heya | 20:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | joppu, your icon looks and works great | 20:02 |
| joppu | a screenshot :-D ? | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | can\ | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | can't send now | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | but i will when i get home | 20:04 |
| joppu | thanks :) | 20:05 |
| Venemo_N950 | I will also make a package available this evening | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N950 | if you're interested | 20:14 |
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| lardman | evening all | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Evening. | 20:29 |
| hiemanshu | hey lardman | 20:29 |
| lardman | hey SpeedEvil | 20:29 |
| lardman | hi hiemanshu | 20:29 |
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| lardman | and there I was thinking it was only tumbleweeds in the chan this evening ;) | 20:29 |
| * SpeedEvil blows around in the winds. | 20:29 | |
| hiemanshu | hah | 20:29 |
| lardman | my battery life has just perked up again, so seems it's not down to the battery but presumably some errant process | 20:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | has anyone done qml using harmattan components that reflows to portrait or landscape orientations? | 20:31 |
| lardman | argh QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod", "Method "RegisterDBusCallback" with signature "ssss" on interface "org.maemo.photoanalyser" doesn't exist | 20:32 |
| lardman | I do hope I'm getting closer to the answer..... | 20:33 |
| * lardman looks to see what code letter a variant should have | 20:33 | |
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| Venemo_N950 | hm | 20:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | found a new bug... | 20:59 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Glad you got it sorted | 21:02 |
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| TSCHAKeee | where are the qml harmattan examples? | 21:21 |
| Elessar | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components | 21:26 |
| Elessar | there are some of them | 21:26 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it's not exactly clear, how to make QML that conforms to Nokia's UI guidelines | 21:41 |
| Elessar | erm.. does it exists? | 21:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes | 21:50 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: you once asked if xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 0.4.0-258+0m6 is much changed from the ones we have the source of. | 21:56 |
| javispedro | lcuk: the answer is yes, a lot. | 21:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, any news about fmtx/fmrx? | 21:57 |
| * javispedro is comparing a coredump from having crashed Xorg on the N950 to the source code that is available and they not resemble very little | 21:57 | |
| javispedro | Venemo_N950: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28935&postcount=14 | 21:58 |
| javispedro | Venemo_N950: given up for the time being until I have more info | 21:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | mhm | 21:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | that page doesn't wanna load in my crappy connection | 21:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 22:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok, then I'm not disconnected | 22:00 |
| lcuk | javispedro, I expected it would have done | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | :( | 22:01 |
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| javispedro | damn MIT license | 22:02 |
| javispedro | it is a nokia-binary | 22:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | so, anyone interested in a Harmattan IRC client, the good news is that it's well on the way, completed soon. a v0.1 will be released this evening. | 22:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, xorg? | 22:03 |
| javispedro | no, the changes Nokia made to the fbdev driver | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: gimme. | 22:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, there is still a bug I wanna fix... unfortunately I don't know what causes it | 22:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, if you're comfortable with building stuff for yourself, see the links in /topic of #irc-chatter | 22:06 |
| * javispedro curses and ponders when to open the Harmattan License Change Requests Queue | 22:08 | |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, it needs a simple qmake+make | 22:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | okay, | 22:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, for what purpose? | 22:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | those examples run TERRIBLY on the n950 | 22:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, I can tell you what the results will be | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | are there _ANY_ REAL harmattan platform API examples? | 22:09 |
| javispedro | c'mon, fbdev was open, and from the changelog they've just done a "cleanup", and THEN closed it | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | qt-components doesn't cut it | 22:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, what kind of examples are you looking for? | 22:09 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Venemo_N950: i'm looking for QML that conforms to Nokia's N9 UX guidelines | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | what we're supposed to use to make apps that conform to those guidelines. | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | i mean, this is basic stuff | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | I know you guys are programmers and thus have no real interest in aesthetics | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | but still | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am trying to make a version of my orbiter that I can realistically deploy to Ovi | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | and that is one of the requirements | 22:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, what is wrong with qt-components? | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | have you _RUN_ the demos? | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | i mean, actually run them | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | like, the flickr example | 22:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | nope | 22:11 |
| Venemo_N950 | I just made apps | 22:11 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok, so you wrote those? | 22:12 |
| * TSCHAKeee makes some screenies | 22:12 | |
| Venemo_N950 | wut? | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo isn't with nokia. | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 22:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | seriously, I'm pissed | 22:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | I wrote two apps with qt-components, but I never read their examples | 22:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, yeah, you are right | 22:13 |
| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: if you're the kind of guy that gets pissed with qt-components dissimilarities with the stock apps, then use libmeegotouch | 22:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | for example, how am I supposed to make the coloured headers that are present with most of those apps? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, screenshots ples | 22:14 |
| lcuk | please | 22:14 |
| ajalkane | TSCHAKeee: there is many components missing from QML. Most of the stock apps are made using the deprecated MeeGo Touch Framework | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | of course it is | 22:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, those are not required at all. but you could just put a Rectangle at the top of your Page, and you could add a Label to that rectangle | 22:15 |
| ajalkane | I expect those components to come in time. For now, we have to bite the bullet and do our best impression of them with QML | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | not that that is required | 22:15 |
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| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, according to frals, this is how he did it for the facebook app | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | but I am TRYING to make stuff CONSSITENT! | 22:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | damned keyboard. | 22:16 |
| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: consistence is not really valued in this platform.. | 22:16 |
| ajalkane | I share your pain, sir, and I'm struggling with making things consistent also. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, I would expect with your app crossing different platforms | 22:17 |
| lcuk | making same app look like your others would be the consistent way? | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: i am making QML optimized for each platform | 22:17 |
| lcuk | otherwise holding remote control using one ux and main system with another | 22:17 |
| lcuk | etc | 22:17 |
| lcuk | would throw off users | 22:17 |
| ajalkane | hey... how can I ssh as user into the device? ssh:ing as developer is easy of course (and as root as the password is known), but how about as user? Do I first have to set passwd in the device or what's the recommended way? | 22:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | not if you actually spend time making a UI that mas ense | 22:17 |
| lcuk | look at apple | 22:17 |
| lcuk | they keep their branding across the board | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am trying to do that, but I also want to make something that makes sense on this handset | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's a balance | 22:18 |
| lcuk | ajalkane, ssh in as root | 22:18 |
| lcuk | setup user passwd | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | and trust me, have a loooot more experience with this than yo do | 22:18 |
| lcuk | then have fun | 22:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:18 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, o_O | 22:18 |
| ajalkane | ok thx lcuk | 22:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | :) | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm going on 20+ years of making user facing apps, you? ;0 | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | nevermind sorry, not trying to get into an argument or fight. | 22:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | just frustrated and angry. | 22:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | heh | 22:19 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, i just asked why you did not make your apps look the same as each other | 22:19 |
| lcuk | which I would expect ;) | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | they will have similar branding | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | but the UXes will be optimized for each device | 22:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | well... just start coding and things will come together | 22:20 |
| lcuk | meh | 22:20 |
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| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, I can offer you my own code to use as example :P | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's the crazy reasoning behind QML | 22:20 |
| TSCHAKeee | Venemo_N950: thanks. | 22:21 |
| Elessar | is there any way to get harmattan toolchain without downloading the full sdk? | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | You want consistent, you want Qt Components. | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | You want custom you want plain QML. | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | each target gets its own QML | 22:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | Elessar, if you can get hold of the MADDE files, you can install it into MADDE | 22:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | which is why Nokia went down this path. | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's not one size fits all | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | you can't design stuff that way | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, I think I'm missing the issue a bit. | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | Why isn't Components acceptable? | 22:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | GAN900: it's not that it's not acceptable, it's that, I'm trying to make something that looks like the other apps on the handset. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, sure you can, iphone apps scale onto ipad | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, not gracefully. | 22:23 |
| ajalkane | GAN900: Components is missing many things. For example Group Headers, the color bar, the time picker. These are just the things I've ran into | 22:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: not exactly. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | and a correctly written app in anything really has scale invariance | 22:23 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, and that isn't a particularly productive argument. | 22:23 |
| javispedro | the only framework that even approximantes to the idea that the same interface can run on both handset and tablet is Palm's Enyo | 22:23 |
| javispedro | s/approximantes/approximate | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | i've been down this road | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, Components is what's going to get you consistency. | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | with multiple platforms and UIs | 22:24 |
| lcuk | GAN900, it is like computing has regressed! we went through a phase where size handles and window resizing was common | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | GAN900: yeah, I know..but stuff is missing | 22:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | ajalkane, it is not missing the time picker | 22:24 |
| lcuk | now it seems that everybody is back to one individual fixed size | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | Yes, it's got some nasty warts. | 22:24 |
| lcuk | like SVG was never invented | 22:24 |
| lcuk | the S is important | 22:24 |
| ajalkane | Venemo_N950: It has timepicker, but it's completely different than what's used in the stock apps | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy is probably the guy to talk to about dealing with them. :P | 22:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: no, we didn't regress... we learned that you can't make a UI that fits everything. | 22:24 |
| javispedro | lcuk: the problem is stuff like that a mail application should be a two column view on a tablet, but a paged view on a handset | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, different usecases for different device formfactors. | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | bingo | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | GAN900 hit it right on the head. | 22:25 |
| GAN900 | A handset doesn't serve the same purpose as a tablet or a laptop. | 22:25 |
| lcuk | javispedro, intelligent use of resize event | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, entirely agree on that aspect | 22:25 |
| * lcuk is just chewing the cud | 22:25 | |
| GAN900 | lcuk, clearly. :/ | 22:25 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm going back to work | 22:25 |
| javispedro | lcuk: too much work for such an intelligent resize. in VB parlance, it would be like if on resize you end up with one form instead of two. | 22:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | as it seems i have set off a bomb in here. | 22:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | my apps are http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter and http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/memory-game (harmattan branch) - they work fine with qt-components | 22:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | not sure why you guys are whining | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, I think a lot of it is supposed to improve with the retail firmware. | 22:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | GAN900: I hope so. | 22:26 |
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| Venemo_N950 | chech the 'QMLComp...' apps in N950, they have every component | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | Venemo_N950, missing components, broken documentation. | 22:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | some stuff is in 'import com.meego.extras 1.0' | 22:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 22:26 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the design was too cramped initially ;) | 22:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | but they ARE there | 22:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | some of them are not documented enough, in that we agree | 22:28 |
| lcuk | javispedro, as late as 2009, we had to design ui layouts to fit 800*600 for desktops | 22:28 |
| lcuk | no fun, but was the norm for what we did | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: there's one big difference | 22:28 |
| javispedro | lcuk: dpi was usually the same | 22:28 |
| javispedro | or very similar | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | here, you have to design for a 300dpi screen and a 100dpi screen | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes, that is a critical difference now, the physical display sizes are wildly different now | 22:30 |
| TSCHAKeee | I saw this coming when I was doing app work for GRiD tablets. | 22:31 |
| javispedro | no, you didn't! | 22:31 |
| javispedro | :O) | 22:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | where is anchors.margins: UiConstants.DefaultMargin defined? | 22:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | javispedro: yeah, I did. | 22:32 |
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| ajalkane | UiConstants.DefaultMargin is defined in the qt-components plugin.cpp | 22:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | TSCHAKeee, UIConstants.js, but it's probably available in some component's platformStyle property | 22:36 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 22:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what's weird, is that I try to use it, and it can't find it. | 22:36 |
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| Venemo_N950 | it's not in your project, course it can't find it | 22:38 |
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| frals | js-files are not included by imports in qml atm, but afaik qtcomponents 1.1 exports the uiconstants through c++ so they are available when imported | 22:39 |
| ajalkane | UIConstants(.js) is different than UiConstants. UIConstants.js's defines are all upper case (like UIConstants.FONT_DEFAULT). UiConstants is in the c++ plugin code, and is mixed case. | 22:40 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I'm wanting to make sure to apply the correct margins, which should I use? | 22:43 |
| Venemo_N950 | I use a margin of 10 | 22:44 |
| * TSCHAKeee facepalms. | 22:44 | |
| TSCHAKeee | ok. | 22:44 |
| Venemo_N950 | since it's inconsistent in the builtin apps too, I don't think anyone cares... | 22:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | so much for doing this shit right. | 22:44 |
| * Venemo_N950 shrugs | 22:46 | |
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| GAN900 | Well, the consistency is that it's somewhat inconsistent. :P | 22:47 |
| GAN900 | As long as it looks clean and usable you're mostly OK. | 22:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | GAN900 ++ | 22:48 |
| ajalkane | Default margin is 16 | 22:48 |
| Venemo_N950 | GAN900, are you interested in an N950 irc client | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | Yes. | 22:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | I think I recall you saying you missed it | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | That, FBReader and GTalk and I can actually use the damn thing day-to-day. | 22:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | just asking because I'm planning on a v0.1 this evening :) | 22:50 |
| GAN900 | cool | 22:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | i would like a copy, as well. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Cool. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Me too. | 22:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | I still have one or two nasty bugs to fix, but then I'll publish a .deb so people can start battle-testing it | 22:51 |
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| Venemo_N950 | SpeedEvil, GAN900, TSCHAKeee, see the /topic in #irc-chatter for its wiki page. feel free to add any feature requests to the wishlist :) | 22:53 |
| Venemo_N950 | there is also a nice screenshot at that page | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter#Wish_list | 22:55 |
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| lardman | hey lcuk, it appears my battery problem is not hw but sw as it's now back to very long life again | 22:57 |
| lardman | i.e. less that 25% down since this morning | 22:57 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders ideas. | 22:59 | |
| lcuk | lardman, good to hear | 23:00 |
| lcuk | but odd it might have been environmental then | 23:00 |
| lcuk | ie signal strength as you suggested | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | Venemo_N950, does it do nick coloring? | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | and can you hash it to more colors (and more randomly) than XChat? | 23:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: not sure about the environmental as I've not been home all day | 23:00 |
| lardman | lcuk: though the camera failed to start earlier today, so perhaps something had stopped running | 23:01 |
| lardman | no idea | 23:01 |
| lcuk | dunno | 23:01 |
| lcuk | either way, solved! | 23:01 |
| lardman | well, for the time being! ;) | 23:01 |
| lardman | I need to work out what it was caused by | 23:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | has anyone experimented with using a Flow positioner to make QML that lays out in Landscape/Portrait? | 23:09 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I need to leave now... ttyl | 23:17 |
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