| ieatlint | shame... probably ran into each other at one point or another | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| GAN900 | Quite possibly | 00:00 |
| apol | ajalkane: that's not funny | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | Somebody really needs to get a nick field on the nametags for the next conference. | 00:01 |
| ajalkane | apol: AFAIK I'm afraid that's the path. There's some rudimentary Qt stylings included, but they're deprecated | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | normally i can just say i was the white scrawny geek, but i think i kind of blended in at that conference | 00:01 |
| javispedro | GAN900: _what_ next conference? ;) | 00:01 |
| GAN900 | and make the text usefully large so you don't have to put your nose in the other person's chest to read it. | 00:01 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, Android, duh. | 00:01 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, yeah. . . . | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | i'm hoping to be at qt dev days in munich, definitely will be at qt dev days in sf | 00:02 |
| wazd | GAN900: I remember fiferboy was smart enough to use company name as nick :D | 00:03 |
| * javispedro _could_ actually go to an Android conference as long as they still have that smoothie bar thing they had on MWC. | 00:03 | |
| GAN900 | wazd, yes. | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | and qole put it in as part of his first name in Dublin. | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | i just got a badge that said "Stephen Elop" instead | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | lol | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | I heard about that | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | but I don't think I ever saw the badge. | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | i'm also happy to see that based on yesterday's news, i will have to be importing an n9 into the US | 00:07 |
| ieatlint | bastards.. | 00:07 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Well, smart enough to sharpie it in over my company name :) | 00:07 |
| fiferboy | Got to go, talk later | 00:07 |
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| ajalkane | ieatlint: I'm pretty sure N9 will come available in US during 2012. But if you're in hurry you must import. | 00:08 |
| ieatlint | depends on the price | 00:08 |
| ieatlint | but yeah.. | 00:08 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, hope there'll be some sort of dev program for the N9. | 00:09 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: i'm pretty sure the n950 is that dev program | 00:09 |
| ieatlint | perhaps i just need to convince them i have some nfc use that they should give me an n9 for | 00:09 |
| GAN900 | Well, they've done loaner and discount programs separately in the past. | 00:09 |
| GAN900 | September protos, Summit protos and then DDP. | 00:10 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: qgil hinted that the n950 dev program is pretty much over, and the next devices to be handed out if there will be any will be N9 | 00:10 |
| ieatlint | ajalkane: yeah, but if they handed me an n950, i doubt they'll hand me an n9 | 00:10 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: true. | 00:10 |
| ieatlint | i'll just lean on quim | 00:10 |
| ieatlint | maybe convince him on the nfc angle :) | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 00:11 |
| ajalkane | yeah, the nfc angle is the winner thing. I'm already doing my malicious plotting on that too. | 00:11 |
| ieatlint | i've already done an nfc app for symbian :) | 00:11 |
| ajalkane | you're well established then to get n9. I have only evil plans :( | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | will see | 00:12 |
| ieatlint | i'd also be somewhat content with DDP even just making them available for purchase | 00:12 |
| javispedro | Do not worry, the next you'll hear from Nokia is that they're shipping the promised WP7 devices for launchpad devs. the next mail you'll receive afterwards will tell you where the bankruptcy auction for Nokia, Inc. assets will be scheduled. | 00:12 |
| ajalkane | But my wife likes N950, so she'll probably get N9. So in a way, maybe I do too. | 00:13 |
| ieatlint | it'll never go to auction | 00:13 |
| ieatlint | remember, microsoft has a lot of cash on hand | 00:13 |
| javispedro | touché. | 00:13 |
| ajalkane | WP will be a disaster, I have no doubts about that. Either Nokia gets bought out or they reverse the course. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying developing. | 00:14 |
| ieatlint | i don't see another decent gnu/linux phone on the horizon, so i need to try and get as much time out of the n9/50 as i can :( | 00:15 |
| ajalkane | ieatlint: yeah exactly what I'm thinking also. This phone is really the first one that hit my excitement nerves. | 00:15 |
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| antman8969 | how to open source developers handle selling their applications? | 00:17 |
| ieatlint | by putting them in the ovi/nokia store with a price tag? | 00:17 |
| antman8969 | specifially... stopping people from downloading the source and building | 00:17 |
| antman8969 | or else, whats the point of sellling | 00:17 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: uh? | 00:17 |
| antman8969 | for mobile | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | uh, there is no stopping people from doing that | 00:18 |
| ajalkane | there's lots of point selling. Most users can't bother with building. | 00:18 |
| ajalkane | What's the point of open source if you can't build it? | 00:18 |
| rcg | antman8969: well pretty obviously it won't be open source then anymore | 00:18 |
| antman8969 | lol well right rcg | 00:18 |
| ieatlint | plus supporting independent developers is something even people who can build it like to do | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | Wish I could stockpile N950s. | 00:19 |
| antman8969 | mm | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | Went through 3 N900s. :/ | 00:19 |
| antman8969 | was curious... wanted to put up a 1$ app but didn't know how to go about it | 00:19 |
| ajalkane | My children are gungho about getting the "Meego" on their hands. I've been protective. | 00:19 |
| javispedro | antman8969: support | 00:19 |
| antman8969 | support? | 00:19 |
| javispedro | you don't receive any money = you can walk away and never answer a question about the application, never update it, never fix the problems that arise. | 00:20 |
| ajalkane | antty: just put it to Ovi, publish sources. Most people prefer the ease of installation instead of building. | 00:20 |
| ajalkane | What was it... Nanoparticles. The game for N900, was done that way. | 00:20 |
| javispedro | you receive money = you are attached to it. That's how at I least would like the world to work :) | 00:20 |
| antman8969 | lol I agree javispedro, the app is simple enough so that the commitment woudln't be a burden | 00:21 |
| antman8969 | but I agree, if it costs something, it's going to be perfect.. | 00:21 |
| javispedro | it _will_ be a burden. | 00:21 |
| antman8969 | ok, I meant supporting the app I have in mind won't be a _significant_ burden, hopefully outweighed by the gains | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I truly hope the store works for commercial stuff. | 00:22 |
| antman8969 | everyone got the store update today right? | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I know I'd like to buy angry birds extra level pack on my n900, as well as some more levels for bounce. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | antman8969: yes | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | antman8969: But, it doesn't work as it won't let me login to a nokia account. | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | oooh, store update, no | 00:23 |
| antman8969 | hmm, works ofr me lol | 00:23 |
| * ieatlint checks | 00:23 | |
| antman8969 | donwloaded 3 or 4 apps | 00:23 |
| antman8969 | useless crap, but just to test | 00:23 |
| ajalkane | I think on mobiles open source + commercialization can work quite well | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ajalkane: Possibly. | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, any designs for that BT file sender? | 00:23 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: have you been able to login using the "Accounts" application in the launcher? | 00:23 |
| antman8969 | speedevil, theres an angry birds level builder | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: no | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | my n950 always checks for updates at ~5:30pm | 00:24 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: letmeguess: "temporary failure" or "service not available at the moment" or similar error banner? | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | my N950 misses skype | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Service unavailable | 00:24 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: reflash | 00:24 |
| antman8969 | lol | 00:24 |
| antman8969 | really? | 00:24 |
| javispedro | yes | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | Accounts works for me? | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Err - what? | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I just reflashed | 00:24 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: aegis is for some reason broken on your device | 00:24 |
| javispedro | never understood what causes that, but reflashing fixes it. Both DocScrutinizer and me experience it. | 00:25 |
| antman8969 | could it be a proxy issue? something less drastic? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | *experienced. | 00:25 |
| * SpeedEvil mehs. | 00:25 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: and if you doubt whether it is Aegis or not, just strace the binary. | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you can't log into what? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I'll do it tomorrow - as I'll need to reboot. | 00:25 |
| javispedro | you will see how it not does _any single network related call_ but rather writes and reads to aegis socket | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | does reflashing rootfs only clear user data? | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: reflashing rootfs only does not clear user data | 00:26 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: what do you mean? | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | it will clear passwords though | 00:26 |
| rcg | i reflashed once and the only thing which was note overwritten was the security code i had set | 00:26 |
| rcg | *not | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | ieatlint, not even /home? | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | the OCF by default will erase the entire device | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | rcg, one click flasher flashes everything | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | oh so it's not like iOS? | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | (except the security code) | 00:27 |
| rcg | yep.. used the one click one | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | uh, i don't know if /home entirely was untouched | 00:27 |
| rcg | what flasher are you talking about? | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | afaik user data lives in rootfs there rather than a separate partition | 00:28 |
| ajalkane | I thought in QML the "import <package> <version>" was so that you could work with newer versions also. However, when I tried using import with 1.0 when I had 1.1 libraries it didn't work. Doh | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | i know MyDocs was untocuhed, and all the accounts i had setup were still there, but it didn't remember my passwords | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | and prompted me for each | 00:28 |
| antman8969 | ajalkane that just depends on if that version is installed or not | 00:29 |
| rcg | ieatlint: which flasher had you been using? | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | uh, the regular harmattan flasher | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | 3.11 i think | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | 3.11.5 | 00:31 |
| rcg | hmm ic.. i just found the ocf so far | 00:31 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: but you can't (?) have several versions installed, for example 1.0 and 1.1. So if you write an app for 1.0, and the target device has 1.1 it won't work. | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | oh, yeah, the only image out is in that ocf package | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yeah - not disbelieving, just annoyed as I need to debug my laptop properly before doing it. | 00:31 |
| ieatlint | you can unpack the OCF and get the image | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | rcg, run it, you'll find all bins in /tmp | 00:32 |
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| rcg | ah, great | 00:32 |
| rcg | thanks MohammadAG, ieatlint | 00:32 |
| antman8969 | well, you can ajalkane. What makes you say that? | 00:32 |
| rcg | hopefully i'll remember that the next time i need to reflash :) | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | or on linux, just look at the OCF in a good text editor.. the first bit of it is a shell script that tells you how to extract it | 00:32 |
| antman8969 | ajalkane you could use qtquick 1.0 with harmattan for example | 00:33 |
| rcg | right, will do :) | 00:33 |
| antman8969 | ajalkane or am I misunderstanding you | 00:33 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: I tried using import com.nokia.meego 1.0 with qt-compontents I had build from git, which were of version 1.1. They did not work unless I used import ... 1.0 | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | I mean import ... 1.1 | 00:35 |
| antman8969 | you were using the n950? or a desktop? | 00:35 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: on desktop. N950 has 1.0 i think. | 00:36 |
| antman8969 | yea | 00:36 |
| antman8969 | I've actually never been able to compile and run perfectly on Desktop, but you can have multiple versions installed | 00:36 |
| antman8969 | if you check in /usr/lib/qt4/imports you should see what you need | 00:37 |
| antman8969 | theres a different problem there | 00:37 |
| antman8969 | imo | 00:37 |
| ajalkane | I ended up renaming in desktop the definitions in qmldir to 1.0 and then it worked fine in Desktop using 1.0 and also on device. But it made me suspicious if the import works with previous versions | 00:37 |
| antman8969 | you also could have make a link with ln but yea | 00:38 |
| antman8969 | should be fine | 00:38 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: I don't really understand, because in /usr/lib/qt4/imports there is no version number in folder name (?) | 00:38 |
| apol | how can I make it to get QML Components in the Qt SDK's QtCreator? I can compile stuff, but I can't add anything further than the basics | 00:39 |
| antman8969 | I think it's just defined in the qmldir file | 00:39 |
| antman8969 | I had a faq about this... sec | 00:39 |
| ajalkane | antman8969: the qt-components in git, that I built, created a directory extras.1.1. But it wouldn't work with import until I renamed it as extras (without the 1.1) | 00:40 |
| ajalkane | apol: what do you mean? You want Qt-components so that you can run them in desktop? Or use in Qt designer? | 00:41 |
| apol | ajalkane: in the QtCreator QML designer | 00:42 |
| ajalkane | apol: Okay... I'm not sure if that's possible at the moment. I don't know a way to do that. | 00:43 |
| apol | ok | 00:43 |
| apol | so how do I start the Qemu? | 00:43 |
| apol | do I have to install my system's or it's in the SDK? | 00:43 |
| ajalkane | apol: it's in the system | 00:44 |
| ajalkane | just make sure you're running against the harmattan meego api target | 00:44 |
| ajalkane | by default the SDK uses the harmattan api target, and QEMU won't start with that | 00:44 |
| apol | ajalkane: it says that it can't run because qemu is not running | 00:44 |
| apol | ah ah ah | 00:44 |
| apol | ok | 00:44 |
| apol | Qemu finished with error: Exit code was 127. << | 00:45 |
| ajalkane | I wrote something about my early troubles here, might be useful: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/setting-up-qt-sdk-for-meego-harmattan.html | 00:45 |
| apol | is it possible to put a qml-only project in a package? I don't get that option when building... | 00:50 |
| ajalkane | as far as I've understood, it's possible. But I haven't done it so can't say anyting about it. Most likely you have to modify the .desktop file so that it launches qmlviewer | 00:50 |
| apol | ajalkane: but qmlviewer is not in harmattan! | 00:52 |
| ajalkane | apol: it was named something slightly different in harmattan I think. I might remember wrong. | 00:53 |
| * apol investigates... | 00:53 | |
| hardaker | qt4-declarative-qmlviewer: /usr/bin/qmlviewer | 00:54 |
| hardaker | but, um, its an interesting differentn problem. | 00:54 |
| apol | hardaker: this package isn't in the bundled repositories | 00:55 |
| apol | we can't tell users to add repos to get our apps to work | 00:55 |
| hardaker | oh, maybe not. | 00:55 |
| hardaker | no, you should compile it into a real ap. | 00:55 |
| hardaker | qmlviewer makes for nice faster testing though. | 00:56 |
| hardaker | if it worked, which it doesn't quite. | 00:56 |
| Mek | I thought qmlviewer on harmattan didn't even work properly? | 00:56 |
| hardaker | it really doesn't. | 00:56 |
| ajalkane | what's its' major malfunction? | 00:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee | has anyone heard anything about a firmware update for the n950? | 00:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | you know..to add...skype..and those last few things missing? ;) | 00:58 |
| hardaker | It, um launches a very x-looking window and doesn't look like it works at all. | 00:58 |
| hardaker | I figured it was just my qml file though. | 00:58 |
| hardaker | I tried it in 5 seconds and figured I'd debug later, but haven't. | 00:58 |
| hardaker | apparently it's not just me. | 00:58 |
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| ajalkane | TSCHAKeee: last thing heard that firmware with third party apps out when n9 firmware is release ready | 00:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 00:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm still very depressed that the N9 will not be readily available in the States | 00:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's gonna cost a fortune getting it on the grey market | 00:59 |
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| mfilipe | it will be release in Brazil near of R$2000,00 ( U$1200,00) :S | 01:00 |
| ajalkane | TSCHAKeee: I do think it will be available during 2012, but grey market is what you need if you want it ASAP. The Elopcalypse can't last long. | 01:00 |
| mfilipe | very expensive | 01:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup, i'm hearing similar quotes from other places | 01:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | next time i see qgil, i'm just telling him i'm keeping the phone and i'll take the monetary hit :P | 01:01 |
| javispedro | ajalkane: it will last long enough to bring the company to its kness | 01:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | so angry... developing apps for a phone that....nobody will ever see. | 01:02 |
| javispedro | *knees. | 01:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i feel like an Amiga user again | 01:02 |
| javispedro | TSCHAKeee: or a ... wait for it ... maemo developer! | 01:02 |
| antman8969 | ooooh snap | 01:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | and it is... the N9/N950 are the best devices nokia have ever developed | 01:03 |
| ajalkane | javispedro: That's true. I have no idea what kind of imbeciles the board of directors are filled with, or there's something behind the scenes that's not revealed. | 01:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | that's why I want to cry. | 01:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | ajalkane: they're being very short term.. right now, Android is the juggernaut | 01:03 |
| ajalkane | Nokia's only chance is that Symbian/N9/S40 will sell enough in Europe and developing nations that Nokia survives Elop. | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | and the cell guys who haven't gone Android (not counting Apple), are trying to find their own form of relevance. | 01:04 |
| antman8969 | lol it's definitely the "behind the scenes" option... I don't see how this wasnt a covert M$ takeover | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | Symbian has spent the last two years rapidly eroding | 01:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i mean, dear god, I haven't seen a market share decline that hard, since MS-DOS overtook CP/M after 1984. | 01:05 |
| ajalkane | Symbian is eroding, but it can still bring in some cash. | 01:05 |
| antman8969 | I kind of hope nokia fails now, I would really hate to see people using Microsoft phones | 01:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | and from 1984, to 1987, CP/M completely died. | 01:05 |
| mfilipe | I have a Nokia 5800 that only cellphone that I adapted without problem... I like the Meego concept but I don't see advantage to buy N9 :( | 01:06 |
| mfilipe | it is Symbian | 01:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | N9 is not Symbian. | 01:06 |
| mfilipe | no | 01:06 |
| mfilipe | nokia 5800 | 01:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 01:06 |
| antman8969 | well, theres no point in buying anything nokia until wp7 gets rolling | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | and even then, it's a gamble until after a year or so | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | but why suport M$?? | 01:07 |
| javispedro | antman8969: and when wp7 gets rolling, there's even less point. | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | ^^ | 01:07 |
| ajalkane | My last phone before N950 was N95. It was great phone when it came out. Nothing after that, before N9/N950 interested me. I know I'll never buy WP phones. It's android if Nokia fucks itself. | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | I'm interested in whats to come... Android isn't really that bad, but it's just not attractive coming from maemo | 01:08 |
| mfilipe | I don't found a yet a Android without problems... or you can't update or the battery life is very short or the hardware doesn't support correctly the so | 01:09 |
| ajalkane | Android is not exciting like MeeGo/Maemo. But it'll do. | 01:09 |
| antman8969 | pretty much ajalkane thats where I am. I'll do it till theres a better option | 01:09 |
| antman8969 | the meego phone ux needs work too | 01:10 |
| antman8969 | maybe they can legislate swipe away from Nokia :) | 01:10 |
| rm_work | yeah, here's hoping for a decent meego phone by the time my n950 breaks | 01:17 |
| ajalkane | sleep time | 01:18 |
| antman8969 | recertied moto xoom for 400 on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-719447-_-08102011_4 | 01:19 |
| antman8969 | for some reason being sold with a linksys router? | 01:19 |
| antman8969 | Does anyone here have a tablet that can make a case for why anyone should have one? | 01:20 |
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| ieatlint | that link points to earbuds | 01:47 |
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| ieatlint | haha, i like that the system info app is so happy to display your imsi | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | IMSI? | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean IMEI? | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | no, imsi | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | imei too | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Unusual | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | yeah, and probably not the best idea | 01:51 |
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| ieatlint | it's good to know that i just installed an app from a publisher other than nokia, with no security notice of any kind, that can access my IMSI | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | also, we'll all be pleased to see this item in the store: "Justin Bieber Videos - The best videos and songs from Justin Bieber. This is not the official app." | 01:57 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: what, you thought aegis was there for your own protection? | 01:58 |
| ieatlint | in part, yes | 01:58 |
| javispedro | it is way too coarse grained for that in the current iteration | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | one thing I do not understand is why harmattan doesn't have a ripple effect on figer down or similar | 02:11 |
| javispedro | iphone/webos-style | 02:11 |
| javispedro | the capacitive screen being so sucky, it would help. | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | iOS doesn't have a ripple effect | 02:17 |
| javispedro | uh. | 02:18 |
| Elleo | is the store supposed to be working now? | 02:34 |
| Elleo | after updating it I now just get either a page timeout style error, or it crashes | 02:35 |
| ieatlint | works here | 02:36 |
| Elleo | odd | 02:36 |
| Elleo | perhaps it doesn't like the fact that I don't have a sim in there | 02:37 |
| Elleo | although I don't see why it should care | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | just retries, now getting connection errors | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | sounds like nokia servers might be having issues | 02:37 |
| Elleo | ah | 02:37 |
| Elleo | store.ovi.com shows a maintenance page | 02:38 |
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| hardaker | Elleo: fyi, when it first updated for me earlier today it loaded data. There were a lot of items in it that were also in the n900 version of the store. but the download button didn't work. But it was good to see "stuff". | 03:08 |
| Elleo | yeah, encouraging that it's moving forwards at least | 03:09 |
| javispedro | hardaker: you need a nokia account for the download button to work | 03:10 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it worked for me | 03:10 |
| Elleo | presumably the same procedure applies to adding software to it as for the n900/other phones (whatever that procedure is) | 03:10 |
| javispedro | you can login on the tab with "small person" icon | 03:10 |
| ieatlint | well, the store is down right now | 03:14 |
| ieatlint | which is either planned maintenance being 3:15am in finland, or someone who's on call having a very bad night | 03:15 |
| javispedro | why do you think they care | 03:16 |
| javispedro | =) | 03:16 |
| hardaker | javispedro: I have one. | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | because it's down for all devices | 03:16 |
| hardaker | javispedro: but, um, it should at least prompt you if you don't have one. | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | and nokia makes a decent amount of money on sales | 03:16 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: not for wp7 ones, so Elop is happy. | 03:16 |
| ieatlint | uh, what makes you think there isn't a store for wp7 phones? | 03:16 |
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| javispedro | oh, I'm sure it is, I'm just saying it probably won't be hosted by Nokia but rather by MS. | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | cause there's already the Windows Marketplace so they don't need ovi | 03:17 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 03:17 | |
| ieatlint | we don't really know what they're plans are on that front | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | anyway, the ovi store is down | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | we know they're on their way to their death | 03:18 |
| javispedro | http://blog.ovi.com/maintenance/ | 03:18 |
| javispedro | but is also down =) | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | killing the N9 in the US was a bad move | 03:18 |
| javispedro | tomorrow morning the site will be back up with Microsoft branding | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | Microvi store | 03:19 |
| ieatlint | sounds convincing to me | 03:19 |
| hardaker | the store will have one option "downgrade to wp7 -- $199" | 03:19 |
| javispedro | ok, just for fun I googled "Microsoft Ovi" and the first hit is to Ovi Store with the following title: | 03:20 |
| javispedro | "Ovi Store: Download Microsoft Communicator and many other games ..." | 03:20 |
| javispedro | yes, that's the only sane way you can classify Microsoft apps: as toys. | 03:20 |
| hardaker | tag line: "security holes are not just for your desktop any more!!!" | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | huh, Nokia is seemingly blaming Nokia US for no N9 in the states: "At this time we will not be making it available in the US. Nokia takes a market by market approach to product rollout, and each country makes its own decisions about which products to introduce from those available. Decisions are based on an assessment of existing and upcoming products that make up Nokia’s extensive product portfolio and the best way in which to address local mark | 03:35 |
| ieatlint | et opportunities. | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. | 03:45 |
| wmarone | not hard to see | 03:45 |
| wmarone | isn't the head of Nokia US also from Microsoft? | 03:45 |
| * SpeedEvil realises that any tiny chance ofgetting a n9 for n900 warranty repair in the UK has probably evaporated. | 03:45 | |
| wmarone | yup | 03:46 |
| wmarone | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/nokia-usa-president-is-out-replaced-by-microsoft-vet-chris-webe/ | 03:46 |
| wmarone | no way in hell he's letting anything not WP7 out the door in the US | 03:46 |
| javispedro | look at that evil laugh | 03:46 |
| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure i need to get a better evil laugh if i want to be rich | 03:53 |
| * javispedro yawns | 04:00 | |
| ieatlint | i kind of get the impression that executives act more like day traders these days.. they make quick impulsive decisions that result in short term benefits, and then leave with a nice severance package when shit goes to hell | 04:02 |
| ieatlint | although the last nokia ceo also sucked, and they waited too long to sack him | 04:02 |
| hardaker | they had to wait for a while to find someone worse. It wasn't easy. | 04:03 |
| ieatlint | that can't be true with all those unemployed wall street execs | 04:05 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if there is an applications form for the next CEO. | 04:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | I could do with a few millions for some hours a week work. | 04:08 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: it sucked? well, he created maemo didn't he? ;) | 04:08 |
| ieatlint | no, he just didn't tell them no, and then let it stay sidelined | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, blaming the US division. | 04:09 |
| javispedro | and for a while even let us believe it was going to be nokia's top OS. | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should all write him letters telling him how crappy he is. | 04:09 |
| ieatlint | i can go throw eggs at the local nokia campus | 04:10 |
| wmarone | ieatlint: careful, you might hit quim | 04:10 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: hasn't it been closed, liquidated and auctioned yet? | 04:10 |
| javispedro | (the campus, not the CEO) | 04:10 |
| javispedro | although I wish they'd liquidate the CEO. | 04:10 |
| ieatlint | wmarone: nah, i know quim, he'd be standing next to me throwing eggs if he didn't have such a good worth ethic | 04:10 |
| wmarone | haha | 04:11 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: nope, in fact they just built a new building for the campus and moved last december | 04:11 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: are the Microsoft logos clearly visible or are they hiding them for the time being? | 04:11 |
| ieatlint | hah :P | 04:12 |
| javispedro | I think I even heard Ballmer mention how SF climate is so much better. | 04:13 |
| * ieatlint agrees | 04:14 | |
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| javispedro | dang it | 04:16 |
| javispedro | my TI pass expired or something | 04:17 |
| * javispedro did not even realize they had such a policy | 04:17 | |
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| SpeedEvil | There is lots of random crap in this filesystem. | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Valgrind, video-encoding-testapp | 04:32 |
| ieatlint | there's a hidden file that contains a URL that gets you a free N9 if you can find it | 04:33 |
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| javispedro | there's a more hidden file that says accepting the contract for the free n9 in the first hidden file results in stephen elop being able to harvest your organs for his immortality project | 04:43 |
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| * GAN900 sighs. | 06:52 | |
| GAN900 | Slow slides to irrelevance suck. | 06:52 |
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| Scifig | I have a mkdir /home/user/.shake2skip command in a shell script. I am calling that script using "exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user -l -a UID::user "exec /opt/shake2skip/bin/shake2skip.sh"". | 07:27 |
| Scifig | The command works fine in terminal. But when I include it in an init script it fails with operation not permitted error for mkdir | 07:28 |
| Scifig | How do I get around this? | 07:28 |
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| antman8969 | instead of "exec" try using "sh" | 07:38 |
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| antman8969 | that may get it to work, but I don't think it's condoned as the official fix | 07:38 |
| antman8969 | I think it's an aegis hash problem | 07:38 |
| Scifig | antman8969, Thanks will try. The sh file is deployed using as part of the .deb though. | 07:41 |
| antman8969 | yea I know, and still | 07:41 |
| antman8969 | I couldn't get mine to run properly either | 07:42 |
| antman8969 | I know that if you run them with sh it'll work, I just don't know what aegis wants to run them on their own | 07:42 |
| antman8969 | I'm sure the answer is in the harmattan-dev site | 07:42 |
| Scifig | changed to ....."sh /opt/shake2skip/bin/shake2skip.sh". Didn't solve it. | 07:44 |
| Scifig | The script is being run as "nobody" | 07:45 |
| Scifig | 5800 nobody -sh -c sh /opt/shake2skip/bin/shake2skip.sh | 07:45 |
| Scifig | ^^ ps output | 07:45 |
| antman8969 | right | 07:45 |
| antman8969 | now that I think about it, the user of my script didnt matter, so it was ok for nobody to run it | 07:45 |
| antman8969 | if thats the case then I'm not sure | 07:46 |
| Scifig | If I run the command in terminal as root (not devel-su) it works fine. But if it is called as part of init script it fails. | 07:47 |
| Scifig | I still can't believe that root can't create a freaking folder in user folder. | 07:47 |
| antman8969 | yea root is only useful for becoming other users and installing things | 07:49 |
| antman8969 | its really dumb | 07:50 |
| Scifig | Creating an aegis manifest file with credential as UID:user solved it. And I thought I could get away from aegis. | 08:29 |
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| antman8969 | noted, thanks scifig | 09:08 |
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| Scifig | Btw will the retail N9s have devel-su. Can users switch to root? | 09:10 |
| antman8969 | dodubt it | 09:10 |
| antman8969 | actually, almost certainly not | 09:10 |
| Scifig | Thought so. | 09:12 |
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| arfoll | so does anyone know how to convert spec/yaml to dsc in a semi auto way? | 09:58 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:06 |
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| Arkenoi | "We save the best phones for countries with AAA credit ratings." | 10:33 |
| maxw | who is 'we'? | 10:34 |
| divan_ | playing with call-ui css, trying to make bigger avatar image. http://i.imgur.com/a83RV.png Don't know how to relayout caller name and status label (need to put into vertical layout) and how to change/remove this squircle shape around avatar. | 10:45 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 10:48 | |
| RST38h | So, gentlemen, what is new and exciting? | 10:49 |
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| RST38h | heya smoku | 10:52 |
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| smoku | hi RST38h | 11:04 |
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| wazd | hello all | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | wazd: moo | 11:22 |
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| kkito | hello | 11:40 |
| kkito | Why I get a Service currently unavailable when trying to connect to Nokia account with the n950? | 11:41 |
| kkito | is the sim card requiered to be able to login? | 11:41 |
| aslani | nope | 11:41 |
| aslani | wait just a second... | 11:41 |
| aslani | kkito: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3747 | 11:42 |
| divan_ | kkito, have the same problem, and reflashing didn't help me | 11:42 |
| aslani | read it in full, you probably can find a solution in there, also check the bug status | 11:42 |
| aslani | developer.nokia.com bug: http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=234 | 11:43 |
| kkito | ok thhx very much :) | 11:43 |
| kkito | gonan to read the full post | 11:43 |
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| kkito | Do you know if it is possible to deactivate the security code? Because I've activated it but now i ccannot deactivate it :( and it is really annoying, because everytime that I unklock the device i need to enter the code ... | 11:51 |
| aslani | do you have mail/calendar sync on? | 11:52 |
| aslani | if so, no :( | 11:52 |
| pancake | O_o | 11:52 |
| aslani | yeah, it's weird | 11:52 |
| pancake | data is ciphered with that key and cannot be unprotected or what? | 11:52 |
| aslani | something along those lines :) | 11:52 |
| aslani | also it's erases your dara if you get it wrong (enough times) | 11:53 |
| pancake | does it warns? | 11:53 |
| aslani | *data, and no | 11:54 |
| pancake | cool | 11:54 |
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| spenap | kkito, settings -> security -> device lock -> autolock, and set it as off | 12:06 |
| spenap | that _should_ work | 12:06 |
| kkito | spenap, I can only select No delay | 12:06 |
| kkito | is because of I have enabled Mail for exchange sync ? | 12:07 |
| spenap | I also have MfE, kkito, so I don't think that's the problem. Have you set up the device as non-provisionable ? | 12:08 |
| spenap | (I didn't) | 12:08 |
| spenap | other than that, reboot? and check if the option comes back? | 12:08 |
| kkito | spenap, I don't know what non-provisionable is, and i 've rebooted so many times but I cannot unlock it :( | 12:09 |
| kkito | i will try to deactivate the autosync | 12:09 |
| spenap | :( | 12:09 |
| kkito | Ok, The mail 4 exchange has not set the non-provisionable device option | 12:11 |
| kkito | thats weird :( | 12:13 |
| kkito | i trhink that i will relfash the device | 12:14 |
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| Venemo_N950 | morning | 12:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | frals, are you here? | 12:19 |
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| * alterego belches | 12:23 | |
| Venemo_N950 | frals, facebook-meego is running at the point where the facebook app thinks that "network is unavailable". 'pidof facebook-meego' returns a value. | 12:24 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 12:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:27 |
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| wazd | for those who's interested, I've fixed shitty applications background: http://i047.radikal.ru/1108/e4/f9eaee1347a5.jpgf9eaee1347a5 | 12:31 |
| wazd | oops | 12:32 |
| wazd | http://i047.radikal.ru/1108/e4/f9eaee1347a5.jpgf9eaee1347a5 | 12:32 |
| wazd | fuck | 12:32 |
| wazd | http://i047.radikal.ru/1108/e4/f9eaee1347a5.jpg | 12:32 |
| pancake | dualscreen? ;D | 12:33 |
| wazd | pancake: don't tell anyone :P | 12:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: bookreader, now in stereo? =) | 12:36 |
| pancake | anyone in Finland with Sonera? | 12:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, interested in doing a few splash screens? =) | 12:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: no& :D | 12:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: just kidding, sure :) | 12:38 |
| wazd | http://zhil.in/meego/harmattan_applications_background_fix.zip <- files with instructions | 12:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: ah you have fixed the background to be pure white =) | 12:43 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep :) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Anyway, if you feel like it, and have some time, the Speccy, fMSX, all may need splashscreens | 12:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: (btw, put proper attribution to yourself in the corner =)) | 12:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok, but I guess I'll finish 84+ skin first | 12:47 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, have you befriended QML since last we talked? :) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, it is the only thing stopping the current ati85 rrelease | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Venemo: "befriended" is sucha cute euphemism... | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Venemo: but yes, I have basically done some semblance of the UI. takes long time to load though, and for some reason I cannot reuse the view for the second run (need to recreate it again) | 12:48 |
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| seif | hey guys | 12:56 |
| seif | when is a new image coming out | 12:56 |
| kimju | for n950/harmattan? when nokia decides to release one. no official info is given, so best guess is about the time that N9 hits the stores. | 12:59 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, hmmm | 13:00 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~seen fiferboy | 13:02 |
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| infobot | fiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12h 54m 55s ago, saying: 'Got to go, talk later'. | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 13:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: heya | 13:29 |
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| javispedro | moo. | 13:30 |
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| wazd | javispedro: o/ | 13:32 |
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| kkito | I do not remmeber who was helping me before, but reflashing the device fixed all the problems. Thank you very much! | 13:46 |
| aslani | no problem :) nice to hear that | 13:47 |
| kkito | oh, but it seems that apps from store cannot be installed due to dependencies problems :? | 13:48 |
| aslani | yeah, that's until new image comes out from nokia | 13:49 |
| aslani | try some other apps from there | 13:49 |
| aslani | stuff like "compass" will not work | 13:49 |
| kkito | I try to install battery monitor app but it didnt work | 13:49 |
| wazd | Elements worked :P | 13:50 |
| aslani | how about funny catz, the best app so far ;) | 13:50 |
| kkito | :) installing funny catz XD | 13:51 |
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| Arkenoi | wow | 13:58 |
| Arkenoi | a guy from nokia promised me to flash latest non-public firmware to my n950 | 13:58 |
| Arkenoi | i should try | 13:58 |
| Arkenoi | 31-2 | 13:59 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: hmm? :) | 14:07 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: you've fascinated him with your hat? :D | 14:07 |
| Arkenoi | i guess so :-) | 14:07 |
| Arkenoi | he confirmed n950 firmwares are being released synchronous to n9, but not published | 14:08 |
| Arkenoi | yet | 14:08 |
| wazd | any reason? | 14:08 |
| Arkenoi | until n9 release | 14:08 |
| Arkenoi | don't know :-) | 14:08 |
| Tronic | It's a no-brainer, really. | 14:12 |
| Tronic | Nokia doesn't want competitors (who most certainly have access to N950) copying their features too soon. | 14:12 |
| * RST38h rotfls | 14:13 | |
| RST38h | a no-brainer indeed... | 14:13 |
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| javispedro | they are going to copy how the fmrx is implemented! | 14:33 |
| wazd | javispedro: oh wait :D | 14:34 |
| alterego | laaaaame | 14:38 |
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| thp | is is possible to get only Madde for Harmattan without the full SDK / Scratchbox? | 14:43 |
| RST38h | thp: install then strip? =) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | doesn;t it come as a separate .deb package on Linux though? | 14:44 |
| thp | could be. where's the link? | 14:44 |
| RST38h | thp: get.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/Qt_SDK_Lin64_online_v1_1_2_en.run | 14:44 |
| RST38h | (probably a script) | 14:45 |
| thp | well then. let's download a gig or two of stuff again | 14:47 |
| thp | thanks for the link, though - seems to be the thing that i need | 14:48 |
| RST38h | too large though | 14:48 |
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| * SpeedEvil finds latest random thing in fs. Gnuplot. | 14:51 | |
| javispedro | interestingly the number of weird packages on the n950 has increased a lot | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:53 |
| javispedro | probably helped becaused of the fact the rootfs no longer has to fit in 256 | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly will be pruned | 14:53 |
| alterego | I like the fact it has image macgick installed by default :D | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Found that. 'animate' | 14:54 |
| javispedro | that was the first nonQt program I ran | 14:54 |
| RST38h | javispedr: we have a developer edition | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - there is a list under the developer mode switch of stuff that's installed | 14:54 |
| RST38h | javispedro: has got openssh, nano, and even gdb installed | 14:54 |
| alterego | Makes for some interesting possibilities ities with QML | 14:54 |
| javispedro | have to say that shmerl had a nice idea with the runtime hashing tool | 14:57 |
| * javispedro is starting to use it more than entirely disabling aegis | 14:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | An on-device hashgen? | 14:57 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: yep | 14:58 |
| alterego | I still miss having a central "extras" repository. | 15:01 |
| javispedro | there's that thing rzr made | 15:01 |
| alterego | I want to do things like "apt-get install screen" and expect it to actually be there .. | 15:01 |
| RST38h | anyone can bring such a repo | 15:02 |
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| alterego | Well, I would, if I had the time | 15:03 |
| RST38h | does not require time | 15:03 |
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| alterego | I'm just wondering whether we can't pursuade someone to use the maemo.org infra .. | 15:03 |
| javispedro | well you need to learn reprepro at least | 15:03 |
| javispedro | or similar | 15:03 |
| RST38h | as far as I understood, all you need is a linux server | 15:03 |
| RST38h | I tried compiling reprepro on FreeBSD but failed, too linux-specific | 15:03 |
| spenap | alterego, this is the repo rzr set up: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ | 15:03 |
| spenap | which has screen, btw | 15:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: welcome to the OSS world post-lennart | 15:04 |
| spenap | and where some of us are integrating our stuff | 15:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: though, http://ftp.lt.freebsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/pub/backports.org/pool/main/r/reprepro/ | 15:05 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ah, cool | 15:07 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I kinda suspect it will require some compat libraries though | 15:08 |
| alterego | Cool | 15:08 |
| RST38h | btw, google+ is recommending me to include Lennart into a circle =) | 15:08 |
| javispedro | is it a Circle Of Doom? | 15:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: probably just a circle of bozos | 15:09 |
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| Tronic | Is Pinball Fantasies supposed to have sound/music? | 15:26 |
| Tronic | I hear nothing. | 15:26 |
| thp | Tronic: maybe you have your device set to silent/vibrate? | 15:26 |
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| thp | argh. that stupid qt sdk online installer downloads stuff to /tmp which is too small in my case | 15:34 |
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| Tronic | thp: That was it, wonder how I missed it :O | 15:48 |
| kkito | hey, I enabled automatic time update but the detected time zone is not correct | 16:00 |
| kkito | Is anyone experiencing the same? | 16:01 |
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| divan_ | finally managed how to make big avatar while calling | 16:23 |
| divan_ | http://i.imgur.com/gGVkF.png | 16:23 |
| divan_ | But still can't handle name label - seems it uses horizontal layout and it's hardcoded :( | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | kkito: Doen'st work at all for me. | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | My provider doesn't transmit time. | 16:25 |
| fiferboy | divan_: How are you changing it? Can you touch z-order? | 16:25 |
| divan_ | fiferboy, I've tried to play with z-index, but still no luck | 16:26 |
| fiferboy | Oh yeah, it would be using MTF wouldn't it? | 16:26 |
| divan_ | fiferboy, first part is simply edit .css file, second one is to replace mask/frame-images for avatar and regenerate cache files. | 16:27 |
| divan_ | fiferboy, I'll write it down somewhere on wiki a bit later | 16:27 |
| fiferboy | Cool | 16:27 |
| divan_ | also, need to find whether 192x192 maximum avatar size is configurable. | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | divan_: That's great. | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | divan_: Will make Hermes actually useful ;-) | 16:33 |
| fiferboy | divan_, Jaffa: Maybe something (Hermes?) could overlay the display name on the image? | 16:34 |
| divan_ | fiferboy, well, all avatars are stored in ~/.cache/contacts/photos/. But I don't like the idea of overlaying the name. Not only name label is affected, but call status label also. | 16:35 |
| divan_ | I'm afraid it will require a bit of binary patching to relayout widgets vertically. | 16:36 |
| fiferboy | divan_: Ah, overlay does not sound like a good idea then | 16:37 |
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| kkito | Do you know why when an email for exchange accout is configured, the device lock/autolock cannot be set to off? | 16:55 |
| kimju | common corporate requirements, if you use mfe then you must have device lock. | 16:56 |
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| kkito | kimju: that is really annoying, because is the only way to sync with google, but i don't want to set the unlock passwd every time that I unlock the device :( | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | kkito: There is something in the mail configuration for "provisionable" IIRC | 16:59 |
| kkito | When I am driving, I use the n950 audo BT to play music using the car speakers etc. and every time that i want to search for a song, or change it etc i need to insert the password... It is dangerous :P | 17:00 |
| kkito | fiferboy: What does it do? | 17:00 |
| * SpeedEvil completely fails to re-setup his home network after flashing. | 17:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone got a static-IP wifi net setup properly? | 17:01 |
| divan_ | SpeedEvil, ad-hoc, yes | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I get a helpful box 'somethings wrong with the internet connection' | 17:01 |
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| djszapi | hi fiferboy | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | SIgh - I hate this. Reenter and it works. | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | kkito: Changing it should let you bypass the lock (I think) | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, old firmwares are sucky. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: 22-6 | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | Yes, old. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes. | 17:08 |
| * SpeedEvil is willing to sign NDAs. :) | 17:08 | |
| djszapi | fiferboy: how are you ? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 'service currently unavailable' - still - after flashing on nokia account signin. | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Doing good, you? | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Any luck with table view? | 17:09 |
| wazd | http://s007.radikal.ru/i301/1108/db/5022a9f7c6e1.png <- Call UI should look like this :) | 17:10 |
| divan_ | SpeedEvil, the same for me :( | 17:10 |
| kkito | fiferboy: thx ! It works | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | kkito: Excellent, I thought I had read that somewhere :D | 17:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | divan: were you in the last round of n950s? | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | wazd, yeah, I don't get the tiny avatars | 17:16 |
| wazd | GAN900: well, maybe they just didn't finish it | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | when's the new fw coming out again? | 17:18 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You optimist | 17:18 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: never? :P | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I remember hearing speculation early on that it would be just after the N9 release | 17:26 |
| fiferboy | No idea how that may have changed at this point | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, I expected one more developer edition before that | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, got the designs ready? :P | 17:26 |
| divan_ | SpeedEvil, nope, in the first one. But got device in the end of July | 17:26 |
| javispedro | it's never coming, elop will eventually reduce the set of countries where the N9 will launch to "Sealand". | 17:27 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, it's after the N9's US release. | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, yay | 17:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | or more accurately, Sealab. | 17:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone had success with n950, and making a new ovi account for it? | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than using old ones? | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | and it'll just end up eaten by a Sea Ray. | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | Old ones working fine for me | 17:28 |
| TSCHAKeee | *rimshot* | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, old here. | 17:28 |
| macmaN | SpeedEvil: i still cant use neither the old or create new | 17:28 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: I thought that we need proper file manager instead of just file sender | 17:28 |
| macmaN | i think some cert or something is b0rken on the device that just kills the connection | 17:28 |
| GAN900 | New store doesn't work for me, though. | 17:28 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: but that's up to you to decide :) | 17:28 |
| divan_ | wazd, +1 | 17:29 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: I guess you're a pretty busy man to work on such projects :P | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, I can give you a file manager in Qt/C++ in one day | 17:30 |
| MohammadAG | QML though... no idea | 17:30 |
| macmaN | lol now my settings -> applications doesnt show a single package | 17:30 |
| macmaN | "no software installations" | 17:30 |
| macmaN | something gets royally borked with pkgmgrd or whatnot | 17:31 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: hehe, then I'll create some mockups for it and you'll decide if you can make it or not :) | 17:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | ...which is ironically more right than wrong.... | 17:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 17:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 17:31 |
| kkito | Do you know how to add a google talk/jabber account in the n950 ? | 17:33 |
| wazd | kkito: no | 17:34 |
| kkito | there is any conversation/telepathy plugin for jabber? | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | kkito: Can't, unfortunately | 17:34 |
| javispedro | wohooo | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | The telepathy is there (I think), but the account configuration isn't | 17:34 |
| macmaN | oooh wow. after a fresh reboot, i see an update in the settings updater. | 17:34 |
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| javispedro | I'm getting interrupts on wl1273 :) -- but in bt mode, not fmrx :S | 17:35 |
| kkito | fiferboy: perhaps it can be configured by editing some configuration file... ? | 17:35 |
| djszapi | javispedro: your post is funny :) | 17:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer2: seems that builtin firmware uses wl1273 codec for BT _only_ when using HFP not A2DP | 17:36 |
| javispedro | hi djszapi | 17:36 |
| javispedro | djszapi: funny in what sense? :) | 17:36 |
| fiferboy | kkito: I haven't heard of anyone trying that, but there might be more missing | 17:36 |
| djszapi | I do not like your tone at all | 17:36 |
| djszapi | javispedro: Also, I cannot reproduce this in the latest images: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1066794#post1066794 | 17:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | I got a store update. | 17:37 |
| djszapi | javispedro: so please consider that you are using a *very* old image before being harsh | 17:37 |
| javispedro | djszapi: I am not harsh -- this entire method depends on develsh being present. | 17:38 |
| javispedro | (also, it's no wonder the .ko doesn' work in a later image, symbol locations are hardcoded) | 17:38 |
| kkito | javispedro: what is wrong with BT? It works flawlessly for me, Bluetooth audio and handsfree | 17:38 |
| javispedro | kkito: we are just trying to guess how it works to enable fmrx. on the n950 fmrx and BT are on the same chip | 17:39 |
| djszapi | javispedro: people did not like your tone inside Nokia either. | 17:39 |
| javispedro | djszapi: qgil retweeted it | 17:39 |
| djszapi | imo, qgil did not work on security. | 17:40 |
| kkito | javispedro: nice :) good luck | 17:41 |
| kkito | do you know how to change the user agent from the default browser? | 17:42 |
| javispedro | tbh not :P | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | djszapi, do you have more productive things to be doing than dumping on people? | 17:44 |
| GAN900 | Frankly I'm not sure anybody here is all that concerned about what anonymous Nokians like or dislike. | 17:45 |
| djszapi | GAN900: asking for help is not a problem, but writing such a post, it is not respectful. Mainly because *everybody* knows it is an old image. | 17:49 |
| djszapi | we got exopc here yesterday @ DS, and meego does not really work... | 17:50 |
| djszapi | however it is a new version. I would not still write such a post. | 17:50 |
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| javispedro | djszapi: note how everyone agrees in that "this must be intentional". no one is really saying that this means the system was designed by a bunch of morons. | 17:52 |
| djszapi | except that is not intentional. | 17:53 |
| djszapi | * it is | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | djszapi, good for you. | 17:53 |
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| djszapi | GeneralAntilles: what is good for me ? :) | 17:54 |
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| * javispedro now ponders about his "is not intentional" line | 18:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate that forMeeGo.com keeps being described as an "app store" | 18:02 |
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| fiferboy | I hope it is going to be much more than that | 18:05 |
| fiferboy | It probably *should* be the community focal point | 18:05 |
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| javispedro | curiously enough, the N950 has separate headphone/speaker DACs | 18:07 |
| javispedro | exposed as different alsa devices even | 18:08 |
| javispedro | so from sw you can probably output an audio stream to speakers and a different one to headphones | 18:08 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 18:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, it seems that the btrfs /home partition on my laptop has been borked... | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Yikes! | 18:25 |
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| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, seems that btrfs doesn't like power failures. | 18:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | I don't understand how a filesystem designed for fault tolerance can not tolerate a power failure | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I suppose "designed for" doesn't guarantee there are no bugs | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | this is software, after all | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | "stress-tested for many years, with all found bugs fixed" would make me trust it, if the number of found bugs declined over time | 18:39 |
| * javispedro curses heavily for not being able to understand what exactly the friggin wl1273 does | 18:49 | |
| javispedro | now I get audio from it, but ALL I get is BT audio, no matter if I set it to fmrx or even turn it off. BT audio. Forever. | 18:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe | 18:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, BT audio? what's that | 18:51 |
| javispedro | bluetooth | 18:51 |
| javispedro | more accurately HFP/SCO | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N950, I thought btrfs is more suited for flashes | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | rather than laptop HDDs | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, screw fmrx, work on the fmtx already | 18:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: will probably never work on the N950 | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | (fmtx) | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, why? | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | because it is not connected to anything? | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | weak point | 18:57 |
| javispedro | the rumour around that it has no antenna, plus they marked is a non working on the board.c kernel file | 18:57 |
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| javispedro | *marked it as non working. | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't the same done to hostmode on the N900? :P | 18:58 |
| javispedro | but on the sample it says fmrx should work | 18:59 |
| javispedro | either way, the end result is the same issue I currently have with rx. | 19:00 |
| javispedro | s/sample/same place | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: A lot of the assumptions that filesystem designers like to make aren't always followed by real hardware | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Block reordering in writes, for example, and write caches both make them sad pandas. | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N950 | javispedro, what if we replaced the kernel with one in which it wasn't marked non-working | 19:08 |
| javispedro | IMO, it won't work. | 19:08 |
| Venemo_N950 | :(( | 19:08 |
| javispedro | also, I somehow have a bad feeling of increasing tx power if there's no antenna. | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | At best, you may get some reception when the phone is jammed up _right_ next to the reciever, but that's probably unlikely | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | as if the chip is inside a RF can, as it likely will be, there will be no reception. | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Not an issue. | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The maximum transmit power is some hundreds of microwatts (into the antenna) | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | soo... do we have to solder it for ourselves? | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | There are several issues. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | A) Are required components on the board. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | B) Is the antennae there in the form of a stub, or is the antenna pin simply unconnected | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | C) Is it actually turned off in the radio chip or its firmware. | 19:11 |
| hiemanshu | hey Venemo_N950 did you push the code yet? | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, yes, just a minute ago | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | I needed btrfs-zero-log /dev/sda6 | 19:12 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: ah awesome, I'll compile it and such | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, woohoo... you can have a look at da code | 19:13 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Going to pull it now | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | ok fiferboy | 19:15 |
| Venemo | hey Venemo_N950 :) | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | hey Venemo | 19:22 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Is there an icclient-qt package somewhere if I want to try building? | 19:23 |
| Venemo | yes. in RzR's repo there is the package and its -dev package too | 19:24 |
| Venemo | that is where I got it from | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | Ah yes, thanks! | 19:24 |
| Venemo | the source is https://bitbucket.org/jpnurmi/libircclient-qt/wiki/Home | 19:24 |
| Venemo | I use some version from the 0.5 or whatever branch (at least the package is 0.5.x) | 19:25 |
| Venemo | the whole lib is undergoing a major rewrite, expected to be released in some months (if ever) | 19:27 |
| Venemo | so the author recommended me to stay with this old version until then. | 19:27 |
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| Venemo | hey djszapi | 19:31 |
| djszapi | heya, how is stuff ? :) | 19:32 |
| Venemo | djszapi, there is a working version of the IRC client, currently still in development and hardcoded to Freenode only | 19:32 |
| hiemanshu | nicely rolled | 19:32 |
| Venemo_N950 | djszapi, wanna try? | 19:33 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: sorry, I am at the desktop summit, still | 19:34 |
| djszapi | maybe next week | 19:34 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: did you attend the intel appup? | 19:35 |
| djszapi | yes | 19:36 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, it still has issues of course, so there is plenty to work on if you're interested in helping out | 19:36 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: my second exopc, that I use for nothing | 19:37 |
| djszapi | I will sent it actually back oslt. | 19:37 |
| djszapi | * send | 19:37 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Do you have a package anywhere? | 19:37 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: gah, send it to me, I can use it for :P | 19:37 |
| hiemanshu | who doesn't like free devices :P | 19:38 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, of what? | 19:38 |
| djszapi | you can also pay the fee if they realize it, cannot you ? ;) | 19:38 |
| djszapi | They actually caught one guy selling it on e-bay | 19:38 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: I can use it for dev* I am not going to sell em | 19:38 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo: irc-chatter | 19:39 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, doesn't Qt Creator create one for you? | 19:39 |
| djszapi | hiemanshu: I think you slightly misunderstood, I cannot hand it over | 19:39 |
| hiemanshu | djszapi: I know | 19:39 |
| hiemanshu | I was just kidding :P | 19:39 |
| djszapi | well, I am gonna send it back. | 19:40 |
| djszapi | There are so many hackers they can give it to. | 19:40 |
| hiemanshu | if only this stupid work hadn't stopped me, I would have been there at DS too, I was getting sponsored | 19:40 |
| Venemo | djszapi, why did you accept it then? | 19:40 |
| djszapi | I was trying out plasma-active, it worked, period. | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Yes, but Qt Creator doesn't know where ircclient-qt is | 19:40 |
| lcuk | djszapi, not only hackers, but caring professional developers too! | 19:40 |
| djszapi | Venemo: because I tried out plasma-active as aforementioned. | 19:40 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: INCLUDEPATH | 19:40 |
| djszapi | lcuk hey hey :) | 19:41 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, no need for that | 19:41 |
| lcuk | \o | 19:41 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, download both libircclient-qt and libircclient-qt-dev from http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/ | 19:41 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, and install them into MADDE via 'mad-admin xdpkg -i' | 19:41 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, then Qt Creator _WILL_ know. | 19:41 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, this is true for your too | 19:41 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: ah ok, I'll do that | 19:42 |
| Venemo | before you ask, 'mad-admin' is in ~/QtSDK/Madde/madbin/ | 19:42 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Cool, thanks | 19:42 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, FYI, the same method works for Fremantle's MADDE. and there is also 'xrpm' for RPM-based MeeGo images | 19:43 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I never knew this | 19:45 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, how did you install libs into your SDK then? :) (or did you not use the Qt SDK at all?) :) | 19:45 |
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| djszapi | hi rzr, opensource or die ? :D | 19:50 |
| Venemo | hey rzr :) | 19:52 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, forgot to mention, you also need to install libircclient-qt (but NOT the -dev) to the device | 19:52 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, multi-server support is not far away, I only need to implement a special listmodel class for it | 19:56 |
| Venemo | hm | 19:59 |
| Venemo | what is the size of the icons in Harmattan? | 20:00 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: So far I haven't needed libs that aren't preinstalled :) | 20:01 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, ah, I understand :) | 20:01 |
| rzr | hi guys | 20:02 |
| Venemo | hi rzr | 20:02 |
| rzr | i still owe you a git package | 20:02 |
| Venemo | rzr, are you insterested in having my IRC client in your repo, once it's completed? | 20:02 |
| rzr | i have been busy on other stuff lately , promise i'll look at it :) | 20:02 |
| rzr | Venemo: sure | 20:02 |
| rzr | Venemo: i can build it even if its unfinished | 20:03 |
| rzr | try at least | 20:03 |
| Venemo | rzr, it currently doesn't have any packaging, nor icon, nor .desktop file | 20:03 |
| rzr | is the source online ? | 20:03 |
| Venemo | rzr, and it segfaults when you leave a channel, and it can't display /me messages, /commands don't work... etc... :P | 20:03 |
| Venemo | rzr, of course it is online | 20:03 |
| Venemo | rzr, https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter | 20:04 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, by the way, this may be also useful for you: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4000 (this is how I run the app) | 20:04 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo: Hehe, I wrote up a blurb about that on MKWN a little while back :) | 20:11 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Yes, I don't like the entire package push method | 20:11 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, gimme a link to that blurb | 20:11 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: http://mwkn.net/2011/31/devel.html | 20:12 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, hah, thanks! very nice of you to write about my stuff :) | 20:13 |
| rzr | Venemo: could it support xmpp ? through bitlbee maybe | 20:14 |
| Venemo | rzr, what is xmpp? | 20:14 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Jabber | 20:15 |
| Venemo | how does it come together with IRC? | 20:16 |
| kimju | bitlbee is gateway software, client for xmpp (and few others), acting as irc server. | 20:16 |
| kimju | so you can use those networks from irc client. | 20:17 |
| Venemo | ah, I see | 20:17 |
| Venemo | well, I have not tested/optimized my app for that purpose | 20:17 |
| Venemo | but if anyone does, I'll definitely accept the code :P | 20:17 |
| kimju | shouldn't really require anything special from irc client. | 20:17 |
| Venemo | in that case, try it (preferably when the client is complete) | 20:18 |
| kimju | but in a mobile device, it's probably better idea to use xmpp directly from native client | 20:18 |
| Venemo | I think there is (or will be) such a client in the built-in messaging app. | 20:19 |
| kimju | irc and mobile is not a good compination, as it requires persistent connection. xmpp will work better when your connection is spotty. | 20:19 |
| Venemo | yeah | 20:20 |
| Venemo | it's very annoying when the connection just disappears. | 20:20 |
| rzr | <Venemo> well, I have not tested/optimized my app for that purpos | 20:20 |
| rzr | no need | 20:20 |
| rzr | bilbee is an irc server :) | 20:20 |
| rzr | that will connect to a jabber server and tranlate protocol | 20:21 |
| Venemo | about disconnections, I definitely will need to handle that in a polite way. but I'm not dealing with it at all yet. | 20:21 |
| Venemo | rzr, mhm | 20:21 |
| rzr | Venemo: if your irc client connect to localhost:6667 | 20:21 |
| rzr | then it's done , the job is over :) | 20:22 |
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| Venemo | rzr, well, it's currently hardcoded to freenode, but it will be possible to connect to a server which you define yourself. | 20:22 |
| kimju | Venemo, does you app/the irc library handle server pings correcly? I saw that your _N950 persona was dropping out with ping timeout a lot. | 20:22 |
| rzr | then just put that in a .config/file | 20:22 |
| rzr | that = server port | 20:23 |
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| Venemo | kimju, that is because I was in an area with very poor GSM signal. | 20:23 |
| Venemo | kimju, it disconnected me often | 20:23 |
| Venemo | kimju, I think the IRC lib I use can take care of that, but you're welcome to check it and find out :) | 20:24 |
| kimju | just wondering.. :) | 20:24 |
| kimju | I run irssi (and bitlbee) on my server with a real connection to internet, and just ssh there from where and what ever I happen to have at hand. | 20:24 |
| Venemo | mhm | 20:25 |
| rzr | Venemo: i'll try to build bip also than one conect to several servers | 20:25 |
| Venemo | rzr, all right | 20:26 |
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| Venemo | kimju, well, a terminal IRC client could never be an option for me. | 20:28 |
| Venemo | I'm a guy who likes a shiny UI | 20:28 |
| rzr | good | 20:28 |
| rzr | but it would be best if irc protocol is managed by the system | 20:29 |
| rzr | there is a chat servicec over sip | 20:29 |
| rzr | i never tested it | 20:29 |
| rzr | anyone can im me | 20:29 |
| Venemo | and honestly, I enjoy making a shiny UI more than making the backend. | 20:29 |
| * rzr : sip:rzr@ekiga.net | 20:29 | |
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| kimju | and for me text based ui for text based communication is enough :) | 20:29 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:29 |
| * rzr thinks its a question of priorities, I need more a decent editor / filemanager than graphical irc client | 20:30 | |
| Venemo | well, "Notes" app was all I needed so far :P | 20:30 |
| rzr | and a terminal that support cut and paste :) | 20:31 |
| kimju | rzr, c&p is on top of the terminal developer's to-do list. | 20:31 |
| rzr | can we track that item ? | 20:31 |
| kimju | I've been having conversation with him over email for some time now. I'm patching the terminal too (orientation locking etc) | 20:32 |
| kimju | but the terminal is not his mail work item currently, afaik. so now release dates or anything like that.. | 20:33 |
| kimju | s/now/no/ | 20:34 |
| infobot | kimju meant: but the terminal is not his mail work item currently, afaik. so no release dates or anything like that.. | 20:34 |
| kimju | and main, not mail. meh. | 20:34 |
| rzr | any of u own a n950 and will to open a free ekiga.net account ? | 20:36 |
| rzr | i want to test sip text chatting ? | 20:38 |
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| Venemo | I'll be back later. | 20:39 |
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| rzr | hello Your_nick_here or there | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the little compass thingy on the map app meant to indicate it's searching for GPS position? | 20:42 |
| Your_nick_here | just texting irc-chatter on the n950 :) | 20:42 |
| Your_nick_here | /nick fiferboy_n950 | 20:42 |
| rzr | cool | 20:42 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, don't know how to changes Nicks yet, obviously | 20:42 |
| rzr | wanna test sip chatting ? | 20:43 |
| hardaker | simply silly use of 2 n950s and an n900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardaker/6033014924/in/photostream | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Not bad. | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Lock inside seems to be a lot better than the n900 | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd rarely get a proper lock inside | 20:43 |
| fiferboy | rzr: Can't right now, unfortunately | 20:44 |
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| kimju | hardaker, wet n950? how did that happen? and does it still work? | 20:45 |
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| hardaker | kimju: it arrived wet from DHL | 20:48 |
| hardaker | dripping wet. | 20:48 |
| hardaker | actually, after a few days it started working after I flashed it. | 20:48 |
| hardaker | *but* the power button doesn't work, so once the battery dies or it gets turned off for any reason you can't turn it back on. | 20:48 |
| hardaker | they sent me another one, though, and I need to ship the dead one back. | 20:48 |
| hardaker | (flashing it, it turns out, allows you to turn it on without the powre button) | 20:48 |
| rzr | bitlbee wont be supported that soon , but bip could be | 20:49 |
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| rzr | cool bip just built ! | 20:54 |
| rzr | Venemo: this way your client can connect to several irc server, and even if you close it it can restore history the day you'll restart it | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok - the earlier firmware - week 15 - allowed the running of arbitrary binaries after aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec - this is no longer in the firmware - is there a way to enable this mode again? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil, there is | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | a nifty hack using custom kernel modules to override aegis protection | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah, that. | 21:00 |
| javispedro | but --relaxed exec should also be in 22. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Not in the path | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 21:01 |
| javispedro | sbin/ | 21:01 |
| javispedro | er. | 21:01 |
| javispedro | /usr/sbin/ :) | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It _wasn't_ last time I checked. | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | root's path doesn't include sbin's, which is extremely silly but whatever | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess someone sneaked ito my wireless net, and scp'd it on to make me look silly. | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | this is why you change the root password asap | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - done that now. | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if maps working without login is a bug or a feature | 21:03 |
| rzr | kimju: i see u patched the rx55 | 21:03 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: uh? | 21:03 |
| rzr | kimju: I planned to do that too | 21:03 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: also, yo udidn't fix the login issue? | 21:03 |
| rzr | let me suggest my keystrokes | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Start maps - it pops up 'register now' window. switch back to the maps window, and tap randomly a few times on the screen - it comes to life | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: No. | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Reflashed - nothing. | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Reflashing went without issue this time. | 21:04 |
| * javispedro had to reflash twice =) | 21:05 | |
| javispedro | well, not | 21:05 |
| javispedro | trying to remember, it initially worked, then aegis selfdestroyed and had to reflash, then accounts didn't work, then I reflashed again, and the first thing I did was add the account and it worked | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | First thing I tried to do too. | 21:07 |
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| kimju | rzr, ? | 21:08 |
| rzr | kimju: http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=xkb&#harmattan_rx55_n950 | 21:09 |
| kimju | ah, that. the n950 seems to go by name rm-680 even in the xkb-data. | 21:10 |
| kimju | and that package can not be replaced cleanly without breaking the ssu functionality, so I createt addon-package. | 21:11 |
| rzr | good idea | 21:17 |
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| rzr | can u comment my suggested shortcuts ? | 21:18 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about the n-aryness of the n-key rollover | 21:20 | |
| kimju | I'd do those a little differently. for example {} could be fn+shift + () and [] fn+shift+<> | 21:20 |
| kimju | well, currently I have ^ at fn+shift+<, but moving that wouldn't be a problem | 21:21 |
| Venemo | hey again | 21:21 |
| kimju | ~ and | I have at '* key | 21:21 |
| * infobot && | I have at '* key = ??? | 21:21 | |
| fiferboy | Venemo: How do you change nicks in irc-chatter? | 21:21 |
| rzr | i tried to reuse empty places | 21:21 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, edit main.cpp | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: :) | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Search the logs for "Your_nick_here" :D | 21:22 |
| kimju | rzr, I have tried to stay as close as the printed key map (english) as possible | 21:22 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I saw! | 21:22 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, my main.cpp says "Venemo_N950" in that place | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: It worked! | 21:22 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I'm glad :) | 21:22 |
| Venemo | [19:45] <-- Your_nick_here has left this channel ("Leaving this channel. (with IRC Chatter, the first MeeGo IRC client)"). | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | Very nice interface so far, good work | 21:23 |
| Venemo | emphasis on: "with IRC Chatter, the first MeeGo IRC client" | 21:23 |
| Venemo | thank you fiferboy | 21:23 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, btw, your height expression doesn't take into account the case when the dialog is shown and the vkb is not in portrait. | 21:23 |
| Venemo | :P | 21:23 |
| rzr | kimju: i think i'll try to use your map , and if i cant i'll patch it my way :) | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: The new one should o_O | 21:24 |
| kimju | rzr, I'll make a new version with those additions. | 21:24 |
| rzr | kimju: got ` <= that one ? | 21:24 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, you are welcome to fix it and file a merge request :P or if you're serious, I can give you commit access as well. :) | 21:24 |
| kimju | not yet, still thinking where to put it. as well as ^ | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: If I have some time I will poke around at it | 21:25 |
| fiferboy | Merge requests are fine | 21:25 |
| rzr | kimju: if you do please split the files orig and path | 21:25 |
| rzr | patch | 21:25 |
| Venemo | rzr, N950 is not "RX-55", N950 is RM-680 | 21:25 |
| rzr | ok | 21:25 |
| rzr | '`' : shift+' | 21:26 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, btw, I need only a handful of things to make a 0.1 release. | 21:26 |
| rzr | tab : Fn+Space / default: ctrl+i | 21:26 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, one question I wanted to ask is how well understandable are the purpose of the tool buttons? | 21:26 |
| kimju | rzr, in '* I already have ' * | ~ (plain, shift, fn, fn+shift) | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Let me launch it again (with my new nick) | 21:28 |
| Venemo | sure | 21:28 |
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| rzr | kimju: ctrl+' maybe ? | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I take it a desktop file is on your list? :) | 21:29 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, yes, and so is an icon | 21:29 |
| kimju | rzr, or fn+shift + numbers. those are all still free. | 21:29 |
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| fiferboy_n950 | Venemo: chan list icon is a bit unclear | 21:30 |
| Venemo | fiferboy_n950, what do you think about userlist/autocomplete/send/join icons? | 21:31 |
| fiferboy_n950 | Venemo, just found out about the autocomplete | 21:32 |
| fiferboy_n950 | very useful, though not immediately obvious to me | 21:32 |
| Venemo | fiferboy_n950, ever since I appended the ', ' it became buggy | 21:32 |
| Venemo | but if it isn't the first character in a line, you can cycle through possible names | 21:33 |
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| fiferboy_n950 | other icons look good | 21:33 |
| Venemo | yeah, the others are pretty obvious | 21:33 |
| fiferboy_n950 | usable in portrait, too | 21:34 |
| Venemo | that was one of its key design goals, to be able to be used by N9 users too :P | 21:34 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, can you gimme better platformIconIds for the autocomplete and channellist icons? (the ones you found not obvious) | 21:34 |
| fiferboy_n950 | well done | 21:34 |
| Venemo | also, what do you think about the channel switcher bar? the green one. | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | The window should probably autoscroll, though | 21:35 |
| Venemo | the window autoscrolls! | 21:35 |
| Venemo | but it is buggy if the last message is longer than 1 line | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | Saves space, once you have multpile channels open it is obvious what it is for | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, not autoscrolling for me | 21:35 |
| Venemo | scroll down to the bottom | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | Ok | 21:36 |
| Venemo | and then see | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | There it goes :) | 21:36 |
| Venemo | so | 21:36 |
| Venemo | does | 21:36 |
| Venemo | it | 21:36 |
| Venemo | auto | 21:36 |
| Venemo | scroll? | 21:36 |
| fiferboy_n950 | yes | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | Until I open the VKB | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | Then it stops again | 21:36 |
| Venemo | I will add automatic scroll-to-bottom when orientation changes or vkb opens | 21:36 |
| fiferboy | Excellent | 21:36 |
| Venemo | the theory behind that behaviour is a simply useful usecase: | 21:37 |
| Venemo | when you scoll up to read scrollback, it is irritating when it still scrolls to the bottom while you're trying to read the scrollback | 21:37 |
| Venemo | so if you are not at the bottom, it will not autoscroll :) | 21:37 |
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| fiferboy | Looks good | 21:37 |
| rzr | kimju: i thought about using those line for F1 to F10 | 21:37 |
| Venemo | and when the orientation changes, it becomes not at the bottom | 21:37 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, also, I plan to replace that Repeater with a TextArea to make text selection possible | 21:38 |
| kimju | rzr, well yeah.. too few keys :/ | 21:39 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, and now you can laugh: I will need to make my own WorkingTextArea because of https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-929 | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: That would be cool. Very nice work. | 21:39 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, does it segfault for you when you leave a channel? | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | Nope | 21:40 |
| Venemo | hm! | 21:40 |
| rzr | kimju: i am importing that version to the community repo, u'll tell me when to update it | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I thought it was queries that segfaulted | 21:41 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, well, today channels did too. | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | Ah | 21:41 |
| Venemo | and the channel which I left is not always properly removed from the UI | 21:41 |
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| javispedro | "wl127x has also a dedicated FM i2c interface that is not typically used" -- well, that's exactly how the N950 does it! =) | 21:43 |
| Venemo | javispedro, hmhm? | 21:43 |
| javispedro | still trying the fmrx | 21:44 |
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| Venemo | javispedro, does it work? :) | 21:45 |
| javispedro | not yet | 21:45 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:45 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, do you think I should create a wikipage for the IRC client? | 21:46 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo: That would probably be helpful for the initial release | 21:47 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: do you have a settings page? With list of channels and servers and nicks and such? | 21:48 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I'm thinking of a page where people could add feature ideas and such | 21:48 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, I have a settings page, and a stub server configuration sheet, which is called ConnectionSheet | 21:48 |
| lcuk | Venemo, an irc client really needs a channel | 21:48 |
| lcuk | hi Venemo fiferboy hiemanshu javispedro \i | 21:49 |
| lcuk | \o even | 21:49 |
| Venemo | lcuk, you think so? :P | 21:49 |
| hiemanshu | Hey lcuk | 21:49 |
| lcuk | Venemo, of course | 21:50 |
| lcuk | your audience is not reading web pages | 21:50 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: ah ok, might have some free time over the weekend to play around with the code | 21:50 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, lcuk, oh by the way. hiemanshu mentioned that he finds the name 'irc-chatter' dull and gay. does any of you have a recommendation for a better name? | 21:50 |
| lcuk | they are already using irc | 21:50 |
| lcuk | :P | 21:50 |
| Venemo | lcuk :P | 21:50 |
| lcuk | Venemo, liqirc :P | 21:50 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: you wish | 21:50 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, I already have bare bones irc client | 21:51 |
| lcuk | it allows talking with sketches | 21:51 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 21:51 | |
| * lcuk might bring it in here and sketch stuff to folks | 21:51 | |
| Venemo | lcuk, by the way. I'm still planning on implementing your idea about images. | 21:51 |
| hiemanshu | i cant sketch :/ | 21:51 |
| lcuk | Venemo, good | 21:52 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, i could not write either at one point | 21:52 |
| * lcuk still cannot normally but that is another issue | 21:52 | |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: ah well, i prefer typing :P | 21:53 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, typing is tricky without keyboards | 21:53 |
| hiemanshu | i have used an iphone for a while so i disagree | 21:54 |
| lcuk | do you have n950? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | the vkb is very slick | 21:54 |
| hiemanshu | Yup | 21:54 |
| kimju | rzr, what is xkb name of the backtick ` | 21:55 |
| hiemanshu | Yeah, i use it often, it needs to be flashed though, loads of issues, including the browser crashing all the time when it worked before | 21:55 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | I love the virtual kb under harmattan | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's as good as the iphone's. | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | and for me that criteria is, "Can I type, while walking down the street?" .. answer is yes. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee, how is your development going | 22:00 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I took your suggestion. see ya in #irc-chatter :) | 22:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: we're proceeding well, one moment, i'll get youtube links (for some reason, THIS netbook won't go to youtube lately.) | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Added a known issue | 22:01 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, thx | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | lcuk: http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=gMuFFqGX820 and http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=0v2FsXj4OPc are our two most recent. | 22:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | I will be doing some more target tests on the N950 shortly. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | nice | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | wow, there are actual applications in the ovi store for Harmattan | 22:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | ovi store usage is vastly improved over n900 | 22:06 |
| Venemo | that is good | 22:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | I just bought/downloaded Pinball Fantasies | 22:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | coded by my old friends, The Silents, it turns out..wow.. geez... | 22:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | looks like a very nice port from the amiga version | 22:15 |
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| rzr | kimju: hold on i take my n810 :) | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Nokia put a "Green" category in the Ovi Store. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill me now. | 22:59 |
| Venemo | hey guys! what do you think? http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter | 22:59 |
| rzr | state 0x90, keycode 16 (keysym 0xfe50, dead_grave), same_screen YES, | 23:00 |
| rzr | XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (60) "`" | 23:00 |
| rzr | dead_grave ? | 23:00 |
| kimju | rzr, dead_grave doesn't seem to be dead, dead_acute doesn't work, but acute does.. odd. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: An app to play a really, really loud scream if you don't unplug the charger. | 23:01 |
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| rzr | GeneralAntilles: i wish they'll be greener if batteries could be replaced on n950 or E7 ... | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, don't remind me about that stupid reminder. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's sensible approaches to consumption then there's insanity. | 23:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia seems to consistently fall on the insanity side with their Green software and platform initiatives. | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: It's stuff they can point the green wackos to, and get points | 23:03 |
| kimju | rzr, I now have: asdfg ASDFG !"&() ^`'{} and vb VB <> [] | 23:04 |
| wazd | Venemo: it really needs a package for monkeys like me :P | 23:04 |
| Venemo | wazd, not yet. see, you have to modify some C++ code to change your nickname :P | 23:04 |
| wazd | Venemo: mehehe :D | 23:05 |
| kimju | battery on n950 can be replaced, it just needs opening of four T4 screws | 23:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Going from user-servicable to not user servicable is a big thing though. | 23:06 |
| rzr | true but E7 doesnt have those screw iccr | 23:06 |
| kimju | inside you have nokia bl-4d battery. same as in e7 and n8. | 23:07 |
| wazd | Venemo: and I've fixed the shitty background btw :P | 23:08 |
| kimju | and yes, all of those are officially "Please note that battery BL-4D in Nokia N8-00 and E7-00 is internal and non-removable. Take the device to the nearest authorized service facility for replacement of the battery." | 23:08 |
| wazd | Venemo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4163 | 23:08 |
| Venemo | wazd, hmm :) | 23:11 |
| wazd | Venemo: it's clearly visible on your photo :) | 23:11 |
| Venemo | wazd, I don't think it's shitty, it's just not white. | 23:12 |
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| wazd | Venemo: it has rendering error -> not good :) | 23:16 |
| Venemo | mhm | 23:16 |
| Venemo | I didn't notice any error :S | 23:16 |
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| kimju | rzr, new version build in obs, 1.7-2. please test. | 23:32 |
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| wazd | Venemo: according to files it was "supposed" to be white, but it isn't because of resize artifacts | 23:34 |
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| rzr | kimju: i added you https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 23:36 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: so, any revelations yet? :) | 23:44 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: takes some time to settle down. turned out it needs additional approval, hope to get it tomorrow | 23:45 |
| lcuk | wazd, remember when you noticed my torch was grey! | 23:46 |
| frals | and the guy getting these additional approvals are in line with you sharing everything publicly afterwards? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | hi frals \o | 23:46 |
| frals | heya lcuk | 23:46 |
| * w00t_ eyes frals | 23:47 | |
| w00t_ | i met some of your evil swedish compatriots this evening | 23:47 |
| frals | :D | 23:47 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt there is anything really secret -- anyone who had his hands on n9 which is so popular among nokia employees did see almost the same | 23:47 |
| lcuk | \o w00t_ | 23:47 |
| frals | or wait evil, no such thing as evil swedes tbh | 23:47 |
| wazd | lcuk: YEAH, i'M THAT FREAKY :p | 23:47 |
| wazd | oops, soory | 23:47 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:48 |
| frals | Arkenoi: if its not public its secret and shouldnt be shared publicly ;-) | 23:48 |
| Arkenoi | so i hope i will be allowed to tell you everything i could see | 23:48 |
| lcuk | wazd, no, you have a designer ability others don't | 23:48 |
| w00t_ | i was sitting in a chinese restaurent here in berlin, and i'm like... that sounds familiar | 23:48 |
| lcuk | your skills are awesome wazd | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | djszapi_1, \o | 23:48 |
| wazd | lcuk: yeah, wish one day my skills will buy me some food at last :D | 23:48 |
| frals | ah you are at ds, how is it down there? | 23:48 |
| djszapi_1 | evening luck :) | 23:48 |
| wazd | lcuk: but thanks :) | 23:48 |
| djszapi_1 | * lcuk | 23:49 |
| w00t_ | tiring | 23:49 |
| w00t_ | i look forward to going home :) | 23:49 |
| frals | :) | 23:49 |
| * frals is enjoying vacation | 23:49 | |
| wazd | Arkenoi: grab the damn firmware and kill the contact :D | 23:49 |
| djszapi_1 | w00t_ from where ? | 23:49 |
| frals | ... 5th day of vacation and 5th day of rain | 23:49 |
| frals | :[ | 23:49 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: it's that simple :) | 23:49 |
| djszapi_1 | frals: enjoy women inside the house then :) | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | frals, thunder stopped yet? | 23:50 |
| w00t_ | djszapi_1: ? | 23:50 |
| frals | ya was only for a few hours that night | 23:50 |
| lcuk | good | 23:50 |
| frals | lcuk: lightning struck at the the bays west and east of my building, guess thats why it was so friggin loud :p | 23:51 |
| djszapi_1 | w00t_ nvm | 23:51 |
| lcuk | frals, eep | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i bet you put your girly cushion over your head! :P | 23:52 |
| frals | haha | 23:52 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Any ideas for allowing specification for what role to use to display in WorkingSelectionDialog? | 23:52 |
| frals | was in my window trying to see anything but couldnt really :( | 23:52 |
| lcuk | frals, I saw advert for a job today | 23:52 |
| lcuk | nokia posting for vb.net | 23:52 |
| lcuk | !! | 23:52 |
| frals | :D | 23:52 |
| * lcuk thought about applying | 23:52 | |
| javispedro | =) | 23:52 |
| djszapi_1 | lcuk: you might have misunderstood ? | 23:53 |
| djszapi_1 | what they will change to is vb from qtscript stuff. | 23:53 |
| lcuk | djszapi_1, i spent 10 years writing vb stuff | 23:58 |
| lcuk | i did not misunderstand anything ;) | 23:58 |
| * lcuk even has liqflow in vb.net somewhere | 23:59 | |
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