| Ilosanoma | Right... if it's smart enough, it can be good. If it's too strict, it will be bad. The basic problem is always the user. Displaying a warning about installing from untrusted source is not going to stop a user. But not allowing users to install stuff anywhere else than walled gardens is also bad. So basically I don't know if Aegis any solution to this basic problem. | 00:03 |
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| ieatlint | i don't know enough about aegis. i've run into issues with it, sure | 00:04 |
| Ilosanoma | I'd guess walled gardens would serve 90% of users well. And if you could just drop into terminal and issue a simple command, and after that you could install stuff from elsewhere, I'd imagine both more advanced users and regular mom-and-dad type users would be well served. | 00:06 |
| Ilosanoma | Aegis kinda seems like an overkill to me, but like I said, I don't know enough about it. | 00:06 |
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| thp | did anyone try to port the maemo 5 flashlight applet / app to harmattan / the n950? | 00:49 |
| ieatlint | anyone here good with networking? if i have a 192.168.0.0/23 network, is the 192.168.1.0 ip usable on a device? | 00:50 |
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| Ilosanoma | thp: I don't know, but I do know that Peter Schneider of Nokia's Maemo/MeeGo tweeted about using flashlight app on N9 | 00:51 |
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| kimju | ieatlint, in theory, yes. | 00:54 |
| ieatlint | meh, then in theory i just got an interview question wrong and said 509 ips were usable on a /23 | 00:55 |
| thp | ieatlint: what's that? cisco ccna course? ;) | 00:55 |
| Ilosanoma | I'd like to have a flashlight app on n950 also. The Meaemo one's description seemed dubious if it'd work on N950, so I didn't try it | 00:55 |
| ieatlint | nah, tech company | 00:56 |
| kimju | it's not network nor broadcast, so it's usable. | 00:56 |
| thp | Ilosanoma: well the maemo one uses some V4L2 magic - maybe it works on harmattan, haven't tried | 00:57 |
| kimju | I'd avoid using it if possible though. | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i wasn't sure, so i picked one because i was taught that some devices really don't like being assigned an ip with the last digit as 0 | 00:57 |
| ieatlint | digit/octet | 00:57 |
| Ilosanoma | thp: the Maemo one I looked at talked about the camera shutter etc. that N950 doesn't have, so I was wary of it | 00:57 |
| thp | ieatlint: could be for devices that don't support classless routing (?) | 00:58 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm not worried, the answer showed thought and understanding, and that's what they're after | 00:58 |
| thp | ieatlint: the CIDR article on wp should be helpful, although i don't remember too well the details | 00:59 |
| thp | Ilosanoma: well the camera shutter should be the least of the problem. as far as i can tell from the code, it only uses it to hide/show the widget and disable the light (when the shutter is closed) | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | nah, i understand it well enough already, and it's less CIDR and just netmasking | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | it's a filter question to get rid of people who have no clue | 01:00 |
| kimju | if they ask about a /23 network then cidr support is given.. | 01:00 |
| ieatlint | sure, but CIDR is the notation, netmasking is where is the answer lies | 01:01 |
| Ilosanoma | thp: alright cool, then maybe it has a chance of working. I got the impression from the description that it'd activate only if shutter is opened. | 01:01 |
| thp | then the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing says /23 can have 512 hosts | 01:01 |
| kimju | eh? | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it does | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | they asked usable | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | and the first and last ips aren't usable | 01:02 |
| ieatlint | my only question was if the other ip with the last octet of 0 was usable or not | 01:02 |
| thp | i think so | 01:04 |
| thp | although it has its problems apparently | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | haha, sounds like they asked a good question | 01:04 |
| kimju | all ip stacks are broken, some more than others. | 01:04 |
| ieatlint | my answer is debatablly correct or incorrect, which makes it correct when the question was being used to gage knowledge and thought process over random trivia | 01:05 |
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| Ilosanoma | Humm... I've never liked trick questions that are focused on minute details of technology like that. What you've answered shows understanding, the details are a little spec browsing | 01:05 |
| thp | i just know that my isp for some reason doesn't route to IPs ending in .255 (which is a bug and crappy) | 01:05 |
| thp | http://xdsl.at/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32280 | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | ah, yeah, which means that if the answer isn't 509, it might be 508 | 01:06 |
| thp | "it depends" is always a good answer | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | err, if the answer isn't 510 it might be 508 | 01:06 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the "it depends" want my answer for the awesome "what does a sticky bit do?" | 01:07 |
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| Ilosanoma | Sleep time, laters | 01:20 |
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| javispedro | so, should I publish the instructions to disable aegis or not? :) | 01:54 |
| * javispedro is pondering about the consequences... | 01:55 | |
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| alterego | javispedro: I think you should K) | 02:03 |
| alterego | !) | 02:03 |
| javispedro | already done | 02:06 |
| javispedro | after all, since hawaii suggested editing the restok.conf file and qole did so without any complain from aegis, there's not a much long train of thought to manipulating aegis to one's convenience. | 02:09 |
| javispedro | still it's not a true crack; nokia could kill this at any moment and it won't work on devices that cannot enter developer mode. | 02:23 |
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| antman8969 | where did you publish to? | 02:26 |
| antman8969 | javispedro | 02:26 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1066889&postcount=11 | 02:27 |
| antman8969 | with aegis "disabled", will new kernels boot? | 02:28 |
| antman8969 | oh wait, bad question lol | 02:28 |
| antman8969 | spoke too soon | 02:28 |
| javispedro | no, this only disables it after boot. | 02:28 |
| antman8969 | very cool, nice work | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Aegis dead yet? | 02:32 |
| javispedro | partially | 02:37 |
| javispedro | let's say, it can now be put "under user control" once the system is booted | 02:43 |
| javispedro | but not before | 02:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I assume the bootloader cert is quite seperate. | 02:46 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:21 |
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| npm | what does this mean w/r/t US availability of N9? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sci/2011-08/10/c_131039257.htm | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - read to the end. | 05:02 |
| npm | i did. but it's not exactly the new york times of journalistic integrity (not that the NYT is either) | 05:05 |
| npm | so i'm not sure how true | 05:05 |
| npm | or whether it's as "unavailable" as the n900 | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I can answer the question in seconds. | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | About 30 million of them. | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | And it'll become clear. | 05:06 |
| npm | ? | 05:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd first try to find if there was an actual nokia press release saying unambiguously 'no n9 in USA' | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if it's people reading between the lines | 05:07 |
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| hardaker2 | I'm hoping between the lines. | 06:11 |
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| Nick``` | hello first time here. sorry if asked in wrong channel. just would like to know if Harmattan has PPTP VPN Client and Remote Desktop Client? | 06:15 |
| antman8969 | not stock if thats what you mean. A developer may be doing it though (don't know of one off the top of my head) | 06:16 |
| Nick``` | thanks. i'll try to search learn more about meego | 06:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Meegoisn't really what's on the n9 | 06:18 |
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| * Nick``` bangs head on wall | 06:19 | |
| antman8969 | not impossible though, just not at the moment | 06:19 |
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| Nick``` | gorgeous phone though | 06:21 |
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| antman8969 | do you happen to be in a country with an official launch | 06:30 |
| Nick``` | yeah malaysia | 06:32 |
| antman8969 | thinking of picking one up I'm guessing? | 06:33 |
| antman8969 | out of curiosity, what attracted you? the looks? | 06:33 |
| Nick``` | kinda a nokia fan. but really underwhelmed by their new phones. can't do anything useful. and ovimap is a big draw,and being a rebel I refuse to fall for iphone/android hype | 06:35 |
| antman8969 | do you plan on following to wp7? | 06:36 |
| Nick``` | hmmmm don't mind wp7, but I do mind the current huge bulky ones | 06:37 |
| Nick``` | seems like all current wp7 phones are half baked rush products . i dunno | 06:40 |
| antman8969 | i'm personallly not a fan of M$. How does the n9 price compare to high end android phones where you live? | 06:42 |
| Nick``` | oh, hmmm I don't know the price of N9 yet. but the galaxy s2 is $695 | 06:47 |
| Nick``` | and Nokia E7 is $512 | 06:48 |
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| Nick``` | hmmm but if the browser in N9 can support java, then I Think i could use VNC | 06:54 |
| antman8969 | well | 06:56 |
| antman8969 | I didn't mean to make you think it will never happen. Chances there will be a port | 06:56 |
| antman8969 | I just don't know off the top of my head if some one is or not | 06:56 |
| Nick``` | man it sure looks good | 06:56 |
| antman8969 | it does | 06:56 |
| tomma | hmmm.. maybe i should make one | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | it's very bitter sweet | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | see ^^ | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | lol | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | it just takes time | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | But Nick```, from my experience with the n950, I love it as a consumer device | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | particularly the swipe UI | 06:57 |
| antman8969 | which obviously immediately makes me sad that it's the last one... | 06:58 |
| Nick``` | n950 cult status huh | 06:58 |
| antman8969 | woord | 06:59 |
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| tomma | i wonder if it is possible to make wine to run wp7 applications as wine does compile for arm | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | 'menta | 07:25 |
| special | tomma: you'd want to start with mono, not wine. Everything on WP7 is managed CLR. | 07:26 |
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| tomma | VNC client ready but cant compile =/ something wrong with my scratchbox | 07:53 |
| RST38h | hello gentlemen | 08:28 |
| RST38h | DOes anyone know how I can change a globalproperty fromwithin QML? | 08:29 |
| antman8969 | can you give an example of a globalproperty? | 08:45 |
| antman8969 | not sure what you mean | 08:45 |
| antman8969 | rst38h | 08:45 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good morning | 10:45 |
| rcg | morning Venemo_N950 | 10:47 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hm | 10:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | I definitely need to implement a way of dealing with random disconnects | 11:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | the N950 just drops the connection whenever it feels like | 11:02 |
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| vladest | hi | 11:04 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hi | 11:05 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, ping | 11:05 |
| RST38h | moo again | 11:09 |
| RST38h | Anyone can help me with *setting* the QML context properties from the QML itself? | 11:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | RST38h, doesn't seem possible | 11:11 |
| RST38h | oh | 11:11 |
| RST38h | ok, is it possible to change properties of the top PageStack from the C++ code then? | 11:12 |
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| tomma | RST38h, if property is writtable then why not | 11:18 |
| RST38h | how? | 11:20 |
| tomma | using QObject::setProperty | 11:20 |
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| RST38h | this has not been my question though | 11:22 |
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| RST38h | the question is how do I get the damn QObject | 11:22 |
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| RST38h | from QDeclarativeView | 11:22 |
| tomma | findchild by name or type | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | umgh...ok | 11:23 |
| RST38h | will try, thanks | 11:23 |
| tomma | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtbinding.html#locating-child-objects | 11:23 |
| lcuk2 | morning \o | 11:25 |
| RST38h | tooma: btw, will the QDeclarativeView::rootWidget() be the PageStack? | 11:25 |
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| tomma | rootObject()? | 11:30 |
| tomma | if it is root item then yes | 11:30 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, you are out of luck. my F15 laptop fails to boot, so I can't push | 11:57 |
| rcg | !seen rzr | 12:13 |
| MeeGoBot | rzr was last seen 4 days, 1 hour, 21 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying 'as someone a backup of win7 ?' in #meego. | 12:13 |
| Venemo_N950 | ~seen fiferboy | 12:20 |
| infobot | fiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12h 45m 5s ago, saying: 'Ilosanoma: Good to know, thank!'. | 12:20 |
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| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 12:30 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:30 |
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| M4rtinK2 | lbt: is it possible to make the COBS build more verbose ? | 12:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: somewhere in the OBS config or in the Debian packaging scripts ? | 12:59 |
| M4rtinK2 | I have a few packages with "dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2" without preceding errors in the normal output... | 13:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | ~ping | 13:02 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | nice, not disconnected :) | 13:02 |
| tonberry950 | lol | 13:05 |
| lbt | M4rtinK2: that's a debian packaging issue | 13:05 |
| lbt | there's some variables you can set ... don't recall... not done it for too long :( | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: well, OBS must be involved somehow as the same packages build fine in scratchbox... | 13:05 |
| lbt | building fine in scratchbox usually means your packaging is broken | 13:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | just yesterday a build fremantles GTK and PyGTK in scratchbox and tested it on my N950 - it works | 13:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | but the GTK build just dies in OBS | 13:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, quite possible there is some packaging issue | 13:07 |
| slaine | Is it possible to create a purely QML project in QtCreator that uses QtQuick 1.1 ? | 13:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | so I'm trying to find where exactly it fails to fix it :) | 13:07 |
| slaine | I've created one, but it's complaining | 13:08 |
| slaine | file:///Users/slaine/Projects/Qt/TestUI/TestUI.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed | 13:08 |
| slaine | import QtQuick 1.1 | 13:08 |
| slaine | ^ | 13:08 |
| lbt | M4rtinK2: try a local build. | 13:09 |
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| lbt | you can then chroot into the buildroot and run the build manually | 13:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | OBS local build ? | 13:10 |
| lbt | yes | 13:10 |
| lbt | cd to the checked out package and do : osc build | 13:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | good point - If it really is caused by packaging, it should crop out even on non-arm build | 13:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'll be right on it :) | 13:11 |
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| lbt | M4rtinK2: you can do arm build locally too | 13:25 |
| lbt | a local build is identical (kernel and qemu versions aside) to an OBS-side build | 13:25 |
| lbt | an OBS worker essentially runs : osc build | 13:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: oh, thats nice! :) I didn't know that is possible | 13:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, actually why not - If I can build arm binaries in Scratchbox, why not using OBS :) | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | lbt, the benefit of local obs buld is that it downloads dependencies as required doesn't it? | 13:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | yep, It is doing it right now | 13:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | 232 packages for an old GTK version, BTW :D | 13:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | including Kernel headers for some reason :) | 13:28 |
| wazd | hi all | 13:29 |
| lcuk | morning wazd | 13:30 |
| Venemo_N950 | hrmmm | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | "software update" for N950 | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N950 | some Store app or whatever | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | lbt: something is wrong: chroot: failed to run command `/sbin/ldconfig': No such file or directory | 13:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | also: chroot: failed to run command `dpkg': No such file or directory | 13:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | even a package that builds in COBS does this - some missing local dependencies ? | 13:34 |
| tomma | Venemo_N950, seems like working ovistoreclient | 13:36 |
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| tomma | well... "working" first try worked for while and crashes and now it wont even start =) | 13:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehehe | 13:38 |
| aslani | let's try this out... | 13:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | then I won't be very eager to try | 13:38 |
| Venemo_N950 | now I need to leave, my battery is half empty | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N950 | bye | 13:39 |
| aslani | did not crash! | 13:39 |
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| aslani | I guess I'll download compass then | 13:40 |
| aslani | hey, what's "funny catz"? :D | 13:41 |
| lcuk | aslani, you mean https://projects.developer.nokia.com/qmlcompass/files | 13:41 |
| aslani | I'm not sure if it's same? I already have that one | 13:42 |
| aslani | or was it https://projects.developer.nokia.com/compass? | 13:42 |
| aslani | can't remember | 13:42 |
| aslani | oh nice, now I have lolcats on my N950 | 13:43 |
| tomma | they all are different projects =) | 13:43 |
| lbt | M4rtinK2: mmm you mentioned scratchbox | 13:49 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox | 13:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo. And Hoo. | 14:08 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: o/ | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | settings -> About product -> 1.2011-15-7_pr_rm680 | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume this is as expected - no updates | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Settings -> warranty - one of the easiest legalese free warranties ever! | 14:10 |
| kimju | um? seems that you've got device with pretty ancient firmware. update it to 22-6 by running the oneclickflasher. | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 14:11 |
| cos^ | any rumors if there will be firmware updates anytime soon? | 14:11 |
| kimju | cos^, nope. best guess is when n9 hits the stores. | 14:12 |
| cos^ | wk22 here | 14:12 |
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| cos^ | :( | 14:13 |
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| Jaffa | UK seems to be confirmed for no availability (following the slight possibility of difference in the US coverage): http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41463/no-nokia-n9-release-uk | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 14:27 |
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| alterego | I seem to remember you being able to import .js files in .js files in Qt Quick runtime. | 14:33 |
| alterego | Anyone remember the syntax? I can't remember where/if I saw it .. | 14:33 |
| tomma | import "jsfile.js" | 14:37 |
| tomma | aaah Qt.include(); | 14:38 |
| slaine | What about my QtQuick question from earlier, anyone any ideas ? | 14:38 |
| slaine | To recap, I created a QtQuick UI project in QtCreator, I entered in the hello world QtComponents example, but I'm getting an error on "import QtQuick 1.1" | 14:39 |
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| tomma | slaine, you dont have QtQuick 1.1 installed | 14:40 |
| slaine | tomma, funny. The same code works when creating a Harmattan QtQuick Application ( I didn't want the application part) | 14:41 |
| slaine | Was wondering if there's extra paths or something I've to put in the qmlproject file | 14:41 |
| tomma | harmattan toolchain has Qt 4.7.4 which has QtQuick 1.1 | 14:41 |
| slaine | Qt Creator 2.2.1 | 14:43 |
| slaine | Based on Qt 4.7.4 (64 bit) | 14:43 |
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| tomma | yeah creator uses 4.7.4 | 14:44 |
| tomma | you can get it from gitorious | 14:44 |
| slaine | right, so the harmattan toolchain includes it but the Qt Desktop part of Qt on my Mac doesn't | 14:45 |
| slaine | so if I want to do QtQuick 1.1, I have to do it via the emulator OR get 4.8 beta or something ? | 14:46 |
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| slaine | tomma: thanks for pointing me in the right direction, appreciate it. | 14:58 |
| * SpeedEvil fails step -1 in flashing. | 15:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | How do I turn this thing off. | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Why diddn't it respond to the off button the first several times I pressed it | 15:06 |
| frals | have to hold it for a while | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I did. | 15:07 |
| * SpeedEvil crosses fingers and kicks off flasher. | 15:07 | |
| alterego | I'm working on a QML etsy client | 15:08 |
| slaine | I've some QML app ideas, just trying to get some time to familiarize myself with the tools | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: The 'vintage/handmade' site? | 15:09 |
| alterego | First milestone is browsing the shops, then I'll add purchasing, then I want to add upload new item, so you pick a photo from photos and write in the product details. | 15:09 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: yeah, has a nice rest api | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Erasing should take several minutes? | 15:09 |
| alterego | With json responses. | 15:10 |
| slaine | SpeedEvil: Is there a new n950 image ? | 15:10 |
| alterego | My gf will love this app :) | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | slaine: The delivered one I got was old. | 15:10 |
| slaine | What's the current version then | 15:10 |
| * slaine powers up his to check what he's got | 15:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | ./Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 15:11 |
| alterego | I've got 22-6 | 15:12 |
| kimju | 22-6 is the only publicly available image. | 15:12 |
| slaine | Yeah, I've got that one alright | 15:12 |
| slaine | kimju: are there plans for an update when the N9 ships ? | 15:12 |
| kimju | slaine, haven't seen any official word about that, but I guess so. | 15:13 |
| slaine | fingers crossed | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - this isn't good. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems to be bootlooping. | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume this isn't a normal part of flashing - vibrate - NOKIA - wait a bit, then repeat | 15:20 |
| * SpeedEvil spots the '30 minutes' in the page. | 15:21 | |
| aslani | SpeedEvil: wait for the battery to run out then force charge it and reflash | 15:21 |
| aslani | oh | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Should it vibrate multiple times when flashing, or am I looking at that, or pulling the battery? | 15:22 |
| kimju | does the flasher give any progress info? | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 15:22 |
| aslani | nop | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Still says erasing | 15:22 |
| kimju | the erasing might take a while. | 15:23 |
| aslani | that's weird | 15:23 |
| aslani | yeah it might, but the whole process for me took like 30 mins | 15:23 |
| kimju | but iirc the phone stayed silent during that | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | kimju: Sure - but while acting like it's booting multiple times, I'm less sure of. | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I may as well leave it a bit | 15:23 |
| aslani | I got my device to stuck in a bootloop while rebooting | 15:23 |
| kimju | SpeedEvil, well, if it doesn't continue after 45 mins or so, unplug, restart and reflash? | 15:24 |
| aslani | I had to wait battery to run out (took like 2 hours) and then force charge it and reflash | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | oops. I diddn't read in full the page, which said I should use quick erase flasher. | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - it says I should use the stock first. | 15:30 |
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| alterego | I'm contemplating using swipe rather than click to select things in a list. Like how the lock screen allows you to go straight to a email or SMS message .. | 15:35 |
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| M4rtinK2 | lbt: just for the record, got past the errors by apt-get install qemu* & by applying the the /proc commands from your wiki link | 15:36 |
| lbt | neat ... thanks for the update | 15:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | not sure sure if the commands actually did anything though | 15:36 |
| lbt | maybe add a brief note on the wiki ? | 15:36 |
| lbt | probably ... revert them and see ? :) | 15:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'm thinking about a packaging for Harmattan with OBS article | 15:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | is there something like this should a start it ? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS | 15:39 |
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| M4rtinK2 | OK, so I'll improve this one :) | 15:40 |
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| Jaffa | M4rtinK2: It would be good if the "getting started with development" was broader scoped and dealt with installing SDK and packaging; leaving "getting started with OBS" a guide to *OBS* | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | M4rtinK2: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28270#post28270 | 15:48 |
| macmaN | mkay, ovi store client for n950 out | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | M4rtinK2: But any improvements good | 15:48 |
| macmaN | but for some reason my update client has stopped working. throbber just spins and never stops spinning, no results appear. | 15:49 |
| kimju | Jaffa, you've been working with the harmattan support in obs? any idea why my package(s) stay in "building" state after the package has been succesfully build (as seen in live build log). the .deb is not getting pushed to repo, the package stays in "building" state, but the obs worker is released for next package.. see the red one: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old | 15:58 |
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| Jaffa | kimju: One for X-Fade on #meego, I'm afraid | 16:02 |
| rcg | kimju: are you using aegis? | 16:02 |
| rcg | i.e. do you create an aegis manifest for your dep? | 16:03 |
| kimju | rcg, that package has a manifest, yes. | 16:03 |
| rcg | just a second | 16:03 |
| rcg | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21885 | 16:04 |
| rcg | kimju: ^ | 16:04 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 21885 maj, Undecided, ---, david, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder. | 16:04 |
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| kimju | so what is the solution, the aegis-deb-add line in rules? | 16:07 |
| rcg | yep | 16:08 |
| rcg | see the last attachment | 16:08 |
| kimju | http://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/blobs/master/debian/rules | 16:08 |
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| rcg | could you try to add something like "aegis-deb-add -control debian/meepasswords/DEBIAN/control .. debian/meepasswords.aegis=_aegis" to the very end of the binary-arch: build install step instead? | 16:11 |
| wazd | macmaN: orly | 16:11 |
| rcg | seems like this has to be the very last thing that is done with the deb.. else you get this "hanging" obs issue | 16:11 |
| wazd | macmaN: yeah, my client is dead too | 16:11 |
| wazd | macmaN: I guess it's time to reflash! :P | 16:12 |
| kimju | I wonder what is the difference between aegis-deb-add and aegis-deb-util --add-manifest | 16:12 |
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| kimju | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-builder/trees/master - -util seems to call -add ? | 16:20 |
| kimju | so both should work? | 16:20 |
| rcg | well.. afaik one is a convenience "function" which calls the other | 16:37 |
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| rcg | if you build in scratchbox both work iirc | 16:37 |
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| rcg | though, for some reason the obs hangs when using it the "wrong way" | 16:37 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 16:37 |
| RST38h | I have noticed you broke aegis =) | 16:38 |
| javispedro | partially, partially :) | 16:38 |
| rcg | so we are currently left with the one that works with obs | 16:38 |
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| M4rtinK2 | lbt, Jaffa: wiki updated http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Debugging | 16:40 |
| kimju | javispedro, details? | 16:40 |
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| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75612&page=2 (seems to be down atm) | 16:41 |
| javispedro | either way, the idea is (ab)use the module loading abilities granted by using developer mode to disable the validator | 16:42 |
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| lbt | thanks M4rtinK2 | 16:52 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hi! | 16:52 |
| lbt | hey fiferboy :) | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | Have you had time for any actual development lately, or are you way too busy for that? | 16:53 |
| lbt | :( | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, I figured :( | 16:53 |
| lbt | keep allocating time and then pushing it back... | 16:53 |
| lbt | c.obs, apps, work ... | 16:53 |
| lcuk | you need some sort of shopping list/todo thingie | 16:53 |
| lbt | :P | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Hopefully you get some time to check out QML, I find it really cool | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | lbt, thanks for pushing all of that, by the way. :) | 16:57 |
| * SpeedEvil is still screwing with flasher. | 16:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | Grr. | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Device identifier: 357881040009476 (SN: N/A) | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy | 16:58 |
| aslani | still boot looping? | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:00 |
| aslani | unplug and wait for the battery to run out | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It will turn off if I unplug power | 17:01 |
| aslani | oh. | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And I should strace flasher to make sure it's not local | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, did it show up? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 17:05 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, N950. | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I have it physically, and it's bootlooping after I attempted to flash it. | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | lol | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | there's no new firmware, so reflash wasn't really required =) | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | He's worried frals plantent something evil on his N950. | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | Speaking of new firmware, is the official word "shortly after the N9 release"? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Version says 22-6 of the download - was 15-somtething of installed | 17:08 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, tried rebooting your laptop? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I suppose. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Good point. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not fully awake today. | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, I'd have to guess before. | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, really? | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | Interesting | 17:09 |
| frals | <SpeedEvil> Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy <- as root? | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:09 |
| javispedro | who can sleep when a new toy is at the door. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't say I hadn't slept - just that I'm not awake. :/ | 17:10 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: j/k :) | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh - only 48 days uptime anyway. | 17:11 |
| javispedro | so MALF is the official name for aegis self-destruction I guess. | 17:12 |
| javispedro | probably comes from "MALFunction" | 17:12 |
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| javispedro | seemingly it is implemented by dsme and the self-destruction is signaled by the presence of a /var/malf file | 17:13 |
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| GAN900 | Does it start writing zeroes? | 17:14 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: so I heard you broke aegis \o/ | 17:14 |
| javispedro | GAN900: na, just starts a reboot loop | 17:14 |
| * n900evil find he has inadequate torx. | 17:15 | |
| GAN900 | I'm guessing Quim is shaking his head at what he's created. | 17:15 |
| javispedro | n900evil: you are trying to open it already? | 17:15 |
| n900evil | I was idly wondering. | 17:16 |
| n900evil | Not trying. | 17:16 |
| javispedro | GAN900: yes, I was surprised by his retweet. | 17:16 |
| alterego | What's Quim been saying? | 17:16 |
| n900evil | Who doesn't check they have tools to dissasemble random devices. | 17:16 |
| javispedro | n900evil: :) | 17:17 |
| * n900evil waits for fsck. | 17:18 | |
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| javispedro | alterego: check his twitter feed. | 17:22 |
| n900evil | Odd. flasher wedges usb port after one run | 17:23 |
| javispedro | n900evil: maybe it is kept backgrounded? | 17:23 |
| n900evil | nope | 17:23 |
| * n900evil tries another kernel on lappy | 17:26 | |
| wazd | wow! Store works! | 17:28 |
| wazd | amazing :D | 17:29 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: Anything there? | 17:31 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: huh? mine shows "coming soon" | 17:32 |
| alterego | You need ti update first | 17:33 |
| Arkenoi | alterego, update what? apt-get upgrade? | 17:33 |
| alterego | That might work, I'm going through settings->applications->update | 17:33 |
| alterego | Or whereever it is | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | There's an update? | 17:34 |
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| Arkenoi | "Device is up-to-date" | 17:34 |
| wazd | fiferboy, Arkenoi: update it | 17:34 |
| alterego | Arkenoi: press the "update" button :P | 17:35 |
| wazd | fiferboy, Arkenoi: wait a sec | 17:35 |
| alterego | Wow, it works :D | 17:35 |
| wazd | fiferboy, Arkenoi: mine has crashed :D | 17:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | Mine's sitting on my desk these days. | 17:35 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: there's even Membrana/ru app in there :D | 17:36 |
| Arkenoi | wazd: how do i update? | 17:36 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: settings -> applications -> manage applications -> updates tab | 17:38 |
| Arkenoi | ah! had to press reload | 17:38 |
| Arkenoi | btw apt-get upgrade did not work | 17:38 |
| wazd | ЫещкуЖ http://i019.radikal.ru/1108/d8/3b8663f49267.png | 17:41 |
| wazd | Store:* | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | Heh, I broke my apt-get functionality installing new qt components | 17:43 |
| wazd | http://i045.radikal.ru/1108/bf/584de9921ed5.jpg <- sorry for rotation :P | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: You'll have to pick it up to do coding and testing the week :) | 17:44 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, yes. | 17:44 |
| GAN900 | Thursday. | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Thursday! Always Thursday with you. | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | Next week it'll be Friday. | 17:45 |
| wazd | Funny Catz is in store, world is safe place again | 17:45 |
| alterego | Shame there's not much on the store .. | 17:50 |
| alterego | Can't even install "Compass" :( | 17:51 |
| javispedro | have you counted to see if there's even less than what was initially available on the N900 store? :) | 17:51 |
| wazd | Is there any way to block that bloody foursquare spam in facebook feed? | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | I guess I'm not missing out by not being able to install the store | 17:53 |
| fiferboy | Excpet for Funny Catz | 17:53 |
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| alterego | wazd: maybe if you filter it on the actual site? | 17:54 |
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| lbt | M4rtinK2: add : export DH_VERBOSE=1 at the start of your rules file BTW... | 17:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. Got partway through flashing, then fails a bit into the kernel image. | 18:03 |
| * SpeedEvil fails to understand why this is flaky. | 18:03 | |
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| SpeedEvil | s/kernel/rootfs/ | 18:03 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: Hmm. Got partway through flashing, then fails a bit into the rootfs image. | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, can't install compass either | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | it's missing deps | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, make an open source compass app in QML :) | 18:04 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: worked for me somehow | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | I would do it, but it won't have fancy transitions/looks | 18:04 |
| fiferboy | Someone here made a QML Compass app, I think | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, you're Russian, everything should work for you | 18:05 |
| fiferboy | http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/index.php?Action=list&System=.%2F&Arg=compass&Section=&Repo=0 | 18:05 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: ^ | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | that's Nokia's(?) | 18:05 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I don't think so, it's from c.obs | 18:06 |
| fiferboy | NB: I haven't tried it or installed it | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's Nokia's example yes | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | it orients a map, which is empty for Israel | 18:07 |
| fiferboy | Ah | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | I just need an app similar to the iPhone's/N97's | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh and FYI, ovi store thought compass was installed cause of that | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | remind me to implement a BT file sending cli app | 18:12 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Just reminding you: write a BT file sending QML app | 18:13 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: +1 | 18:16 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: I can even draw a ui for it :) | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, why not :) | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, the transfers framework has bt file sending | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | sounds petrovich-y | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'll start on it when I get home :) | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, if you end up drawing a UI pm me the links, even if I don't reply my bouncer should save them | 18:22 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Huzzah! :) | 18:23 |
| wazd | fiferboy: see, it's all about UI designer in da house :D | 18:25 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: sure :) | 18:25 |
| * Jaffa couldn't install Compass from Ovi (and has no other compass installed AFAIK) | 18:33 | |
| Jaffa | Power draining getting past Ovi QA isn't very encouraging though (according to the reviewers) | 18:34 |
| javispedro | probably because the _reviewers_ are doing Ovi QA ;) | 18:37 |
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| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: there is one called qmlcompass | 18:41 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://projects.developer.nokia.com/qmlcompass | 18:41 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, are you surprised, though? | 18:53 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: No, I'm not surprised by anything | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | Me neither. | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | Funny. | 18:54 |
| javispedro | I _am_ surprised by the noUK thing. | 18:56 |
| javispedro | I had been stupidly optimist. | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | OK, true | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | Me too | 18:56 |
| * Jaffa wonders if he'll be surprised by HP7b this evening | 18:56 | |
| Jaffa | Might be different to the book ;-) | 18:56 |
| javispedro | potter dies! | 18:57 |
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| javispedro | all of them! | 18:57 |
| hiemanshu | HP is meh | 18:57 |
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| GAN900 | Whatever platform we all end up on next, Jaffa's not allowed to come. | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | RISC OS, EPOC, Maemo, MeeGo. | 18:59 |
| w00t_ | unless it's a burning one, we can use him to put the fires out | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | <sigh/> | 18:59 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, I couldn't remember the book at all. | 19:00 |
| GAN900 | Read it in about 8 hours. | 19:00 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: have you ever, by any chance, considered buying a windows phone? *slight smirk* | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: ;-) Nokia Developer should be sending me one at some point, I guess | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: I bought a Palm device, but it was so shit as an OS | 19:00 |
| * javispedro hears PalmOS and raises ears | 19:01 | |
| macmaN | wazd: any success yet with update? | 19:01 |
| javispedro | PalmOS, Maemo, Meego. My list is shorter than Jaffa's dammit! | 19:01 |
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| alterego | My list is the same as Jaffa's .. | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | Newton, Palm, Maemo, MeeGo | 19:02 |
| fiferboy | Qtopia, Maemo, (android), MeeGo | 19:03 |
| alterego | Though there's a Symbian inbetween epoc and Maemo ... | 19:03 |
| * Jaffa suspects he's going to end up as a consumer/developer | 19:05 | |
| javispedro | ? | 19:06 |
| javispedro | what are you now then? :) | 19:06 |
| hiemanshu | Symbian, iOS, Maemo, MeeGo, Palm | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Advocate/community-member/... | 19:06 |
| javispedro | ah. | 19:07 |
| javispedro | good point. | 19:07 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: For example, I don't think I'd be on an iOS or Android forum, IRC channel or mailing list | 19:07 |
| GAN900 | Sad days. | 19:08 |
| * javispedro is already on the webos irc channel =) | 19:08 | |
| * javispedro hides | 19:08 | |
| GAN900 | We're going to morph into internet trolls. | 19:08 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: We already are. TMO said so | 19:09 |
| GAN900 | Consensus has Spoken! | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | One of us! One of us! | 19:10 |
| javispedro | you know, we should ask how the openmoko guys are handling it :) | 19:10 |
| alterego | Weird, how I would have expected the N9 to have been more successful in the UK than in a lot of other places. | 19:10 |
| hiemanshu | gah, store wont update for me :/ | 19:10 |
| javispedro | alterego: which is probably the reason it's not sold there. | 19:11 |
| alterego | I might setup a UK N9 shop :) | 19:11 |
| alterego | I'll call it Notkia | 19:11 |
| javispedro | still, I wonder why all the locales. | 19:11 |
| javispedro | it's not like .se speaks that many languages. | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | Gooble gobble! Gooble gobble! | 19:12 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I sure getting it won't be too hard, but it'd be damned pricey | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | What /is/ SD69's investment in maemo.org. . . . | 19:14 |
| javispedro | all of those arguments that were made in #meego about the n9 being the first "mass market" device.. | 19:15 |
| javispedro | *meego device | 19:15 |
| alterego | GAN900: he's an Android fanboi P | 19:15 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: :-( | 19:15 |
| javispedro | I'm sure Intel is now laughing. | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | Intel's doing something, not sure it's laughing. | 19:15 |
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| Jaffa | They're doing a great job.... | 19:15 |
| GAN900 | No | 19:16 |
| GAN900 | That can't be right. | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | ...of showing how much Nokia got open source | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | Even badly | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | I got used to a firewall between closed management and open community. | 19:16 |
| Jaffa | But closed management in an open project is Just Plain Weird | 19:17 |
| * Jaffa checks. Nope, still no email | 19:17 | |
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| fiferboy | DS69's life mission seems to be to prolong maemo.org's demise | 19:18 |
| javispedro | hey | 19:18 |
| javispedro | maemo.org might be more active that any harmattan related | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | He seems to think that Maemo could be a great mobile OS which the community runs | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | Oooh. Anyone tried a Maemo 5 port to N950? ;-) | 19:18 |
| Jaffa | That'd be good | 19:18 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, cordia on meego-ce | 19:19 |
| javispedro | or hildon on maemo ;) | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not the same. Mer could run Hildon Desktop | 19:19 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: But I want all the Nokia apps, the existing binaries (hell, my existing backup from N900 restored) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | that is just playing NIH :P cordia has something of momentum | 19:19 |
| lcuk | mer got wound down as everybody cheered for meego | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: All I've seen are videos of the desktop, with no widgets, no status bar plugins and no apps. Happy to be corrected. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | same as everything | 19:20 |
| javispedro | there are status bar plugins at least. | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: As you pointed out the other day, it's the apps | 19:20 |
| * lcuk tried for months to ensure that hildon was strong and compatible | 19:20 | |
| * lcuk would still try given support | 19:20 | |
| Jaffa | And it's not just hildon. It's libosso, libicd2 etc. | 19:21 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, remember I was one of the last to believe in pr1.2/pr1.3 | 19:21 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Luddite ;-) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | and wanted to do pr1.4 too | 19:21 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: which are already on the n950 =) | 19:21 |
| lcuk | lol! | 19:21 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, in my old job I was called similar | 19:21 |
| lcuk | but I believe in using good quality tools | 19:21 |
| lcuk | and if you find them they are ageless | 19:22 |
| lcuk | having said that, the calculator on harmattan is awesome | 19:22 |
| lcuk | best advance in technology in decades, I adore the feel of the buttons when using it | 19:22 |
| lcuk | ie for all the moaning I see up here ^^^ harmattan is pretty damn well made | 19:23 |
| javispedro | oh noes, not that again | 19:23 |
| lcuk | javispedro, ? | 19:24 |
| javispedro | the "all the moaning I see here" thing =) | 19:24 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:24 |
| * lcuk goes and makes coffee | 19:24 | |
| hiemanshu | Tablets given out at Intel App Up event at DS, damn I know I should have gone | 19:25 |
| javispedro | they do that a lot | 19:26 |
| javispedro | so, do you think you could survive the fact that the n9 will not be mass market? do you still have some bit of hope that they will eventually massmarketize it later this year? (I do, but I really dunno why) | 19:29 |
| lcuk | all these qml apps that are being written, do they work on the other meego devices? | 19:30 |
| fiferboy | I think the rumours that there will be at least one more Harmattan "device" of some description is interesting (nobody is saying phone) | 19:30 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Raw QML, yes. QML with Qt Components - not sure yet | 19:30 |
| RST38h | moo gentlemen | 19:37 |
| RST38h | what are we discussing? the inevitable doom? | 19:37 |
| javispedro | yes, welcome to the end. | 19:37 |
| RST38h | ah, cute | 19:38 |
| javispedro | nokia stock is already worthless and still going down... | 19:41 |
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| M4rtinK2 | lbt: now this is positively strange - the same package that fails on cobs builds fine when doing local OBS build | 19:48 |
| lcuk | M4rtinK2, file a real bug | 19:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | using: osc build MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard armv7el | 19:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | OK, where ? | 19:49 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK2: what's the problem? | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: this is the log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 19:51 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:51 |
| javispedro | you're seeing a bug I already know about | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | fails on the debian rules | 19:51 |
| javispedro | for some reason someone thought passing -j4 to make was a great idea | 19:52 |
| special | anyone happen to recall about how long the N950 took to ship to the US? | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: what does it do ? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | parallelize something that debian policy allows not to be parallelizable | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh | 19:53 |
| javispedro | you can fix this by carefully fixing your debian/rules to be parallizable | 19:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | but why does this not happen in a local OBS build ? | 19:53 |
| javispedro | rearranging targets and adding new ones as necessary | 19:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | the environment should be the same ? | 19:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: well, great :D any other workaround ? | 19:54 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK2: this is a parallelization/locking/synchronization problem so it is random, wether it appears depends even on the system load. | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, it seems to be quite regular in my case | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: always in the same place for some packages | 19:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | so theoretically there is a possibility of just triggering rebuild until one finishes ? :) | 19:58 |
| javispedro | "theoretically". | 19:59 |
| javispedro | but I wouldn't do that | 19:59 |
| M4rtinK2 | is there no possibility to override the build flags somehow ? | 19:59 |
| lcuk | special, do you have shipping/tracking info already | 20:00 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK2: we are talking about your problem in #meego | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK2 | javispedro: ok :) | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can report values from QML to C++ using the rootContext? | 20:05 |
| hardaker | does "read it and forgot it" count? | 20:07 |
| hardaker | there is a web page that talks about it. | 20:07 |
| hardaker | I'm sure it's on this page somewher: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-extending.html | 20:09 |
| special | lcuk: it was sent out monday, no tracking info yet. I'm going to be gone for a few days. | 20:11 |
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| rcg | special: with respect to the tracking info you might try to contanct the nokia ddp guys.. i also did not get any tracking info | 20:12 |
| rcg | but the device arrived safely anyhow ;) | 20:13 |
| hardaker | they don't seem to send tracking info. | 20:13 |
| hardaker | if you write them back and ask they will. | 20:13 |
| special | that's good to know; does anybody have an estimate of how long to ship to the US? | 20:13 |
| hardaker | otherwise it'll just show up | 20:13 |
| hardaker | I had my second device shipped last friday, and it arrived monday morning. | 20:13 |
| hardaker | so not long. you need to be home though ;-) | 20:13 |
| hardaker | requires a signature. | 20:14 |
| special | right. | 20:14 |
| special | thanks | 20:14 |
| hardaker | so 3-4 days | 20:14 |
| rcg | well, afaik they are quite busy.. so it kinda depends whether the send tracking info.. some guys said they got it without asking | 20:14 |
| rcg | *they | 20:14 |
| hardaker | yeah, letum get stuff done :-) | 20:14 |
| hardaker | it'll get to you. | 20:14 |
| special | well, what I really want to know is if it's going to be tomorrow or friday - nobody will be here :p | 20:15 |
| hardaker | sounds like you should ask then :-) | 20:15 |
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| rcg | djszapi: ping | 20:16 |
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| djszapi | pong | 20:16 |
| rcg | i saw that you and rzr are maintaining the "community repo" | 20:16 |
| rcg | whats the procedure to get one of my packages there? | 20:16 |
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| arfoll | is there a way to yaml -> dsc? | 20:17 |
| djszapi | rcg: you need to pay a lot of beers :) | 20:17 |
| hardaker | Wow, the store actually works now. | 20:17 |
| hardaker | very cool. | 20:17 |
| rcg | djszapi: lol | 20:18 |
| djszapi | rcg: what is your user name ? | 20:18 |
| rcg | djszapi: wonko | 20:19 |
| rcg | package is meepasswords | 20:19 |
| lcuk | evening djszapi | 20:19 |
| djszapi | rcg: ok, I added you to maintainers | 20:19 |
| hardaker | ha! everything but the "Download" button works in the store. | 20:19 |
| hardaker | feh | 20:19 |
| rcg | ah great :) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | hardaker, give it a chance! | 20:19 |
| hardaker | heh. | 20:19 |
| djszapi | rcg: please take the responsibility if you break something.. | 20:19 |
| lcuk | brand new stuff takes time | 20:19 |
| djszapi | and try to fix it asap | 20:20 |
| rcg | djszapi: so now i can just add my stuff? | 20:20 |
| rcg | "can" as in "am allowed to" ;) | 20:20 |
| djszapi | lcuk: hello bello :) | 20:20 |
| djszapi | lcuk: How are you ? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | I am reasonable | 20:20 |
| lcuk | went crosseyed earlier having to repar a laptop | 20:20 |
| * lcuk hasn't done that sort of disassembly/rebuild in years | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | repair * | 20:21 |
| alterego | lame, qml javascript doesn't have push and pop operators on arrays :/ | 20:21 |
| lcuk | alterego, \o | 20:21 |
| alterego | Oh wait .. | 20:21 |
| alterego | This isn't an array, it's a bloody QList or something isn't it .. | 20:21 |
| alterego | Hrm, no, it's an "[object Object]" .. | 20:22 |
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| GAN900 | special, SUPPOSED to be overnight. | 20:28 |
| special | it'd be awesome if it arrived today.. | 20:28 |
| wazd | fiferboy: MohammadAG: looks like the exact thing we need to send files is file manager :P | 20:29 |
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| alterego | Oh well, sorted out what I wanted to sort out .. | 20:30 |
| alterego | (I think) | 20:30 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Yes, that would be helpful :) | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | Took 3 days here. | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | Because Nokia and DHL combine into Captain Failplanet. | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: And because during the weekend they just circle the Atlantic | 20:33 |
| wazd | fiferboy: now we need to know if anyone's already working on it, cause it's not that thing that can be done easily I suppose :D | 20:34 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Some people have definitely been working on them, but I don't know what project is furthest toward usable | 20:34 |
| * RST38h pleads to someone to help him with passing the values to/from qml code | 20:35 | |
| alterego | RST38h: C++ to QML? | 20:35 |
| alterego | And visa versa? | 20:35 |
| RST38h | I can get the rootContext(), but the QML code does not appear to be able of writing to rootContext() | 20:35 |
| RST38h | yes | 20:35 |
| RST38h | rootobject() returns 0 so I cannot accessindividual objects | 20:35 |
| RST38h | mostlikely because the qml hierarchy has not been created yet | 20:35 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: I found the easiest way it to have a class with Q_PROPERTY set | 20:36 |
| RST38h | and? | 20:37 |
| fiferboy | Pass the class to rootContext (as, say "appData") and you can access those properties with appData.propName | 20:37 |
| alterego | Well, I'd create some simple QObject singleton, with some defined Q_PROPERTY things :) | 20:37 |
| RST38h | omg | 20:37 |
| alterego | Yeah .. | 20:37 |
| RST38h | I have a class, of course | 20:37 |
| RST38h | but it all sounds like bullshit | 20:37 |
| alterego | It's even more fun when you setContextProperty"app, this) :) | 20:38 |
| RST38h | why not just let people access root context from qml with :property or .property or something? | 20:38 |
| n900evil | I have the flasher, but it won't accept a -0wait-charging flag | 20:38 |
| n900evil | thoughts? | 20:38 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: I don't know about the decisions behind it, but I tried other ways and Q_PROPERTY was the only way I could modify the var within C++ AND QML | 20:39 |
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| special | damn - called DHL, it was supposed to arrive tomorrow, they're rescheduling for monday | 20:43 |
| special | inconveniently timed vacation :| | 20:43 |
| GAN900 | lol | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | Hooray DHL. | 20:54 |
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| lardman | evening all | 21:07 |
| * lardman does some cursing of DBus communication in Qt applications | 21:08 | |
| fiferboy | Hi lardman | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | How's the family? | 21:08 |
| lardman | fiferboy: still not popped out, Sunday is D-day ;) | 21:09 |
| lardman | fiferboy: and how's yours? | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | We're doing good, having fun in the Canadian summer :) | 21:09 |
| crevetor | fiferboy: where in canada are you ? | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | crevetor: Hamilton, On | 21:10 |
| lardman | I'm jealous, weather is decent here but I've got a cold and Holly is obviously not too bothered to be out in the sun | 21:10 |
| crevetor | fiferboy: ok | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | lardman: My wife is happy not to be pregnant this summer. Too hot :) | 21:10 |
| crevetor | How many N950 owners in canada ? I think 3 | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | crevetor: You're in Canada? | 21:11 |
| crevetor | fiferboy: yes, Montreal | 21:11 |
| lardman | fiferboy: when's she due? | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | crevetor: Assuming you have an N950, that makes five I know of | 21:11 |
| crevetor | I do. That's more than I knew of. Who are they ? | 21:11 |
| djszapi | hi fiferboy :) | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | lardman: She's not due. But two years ago when she WAS pregnant the summer was nice and mild | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | crevetor: me, you, qole, eipi, hawaii | 21:12 |
| fiferboy | Hi djszapi | 21:12 |
| crevetor | fiferboy: ok | 21:12 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: Could you explain how you solved the tableview issue ? http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/ | 21:13 |
| djszapi | this way ? | 21:13 |
| lardman | fiferboy: Sorry, am feeling slightly addled with cold, I should learn to read | 21:13 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Summer colds are the worst, I understand :D | 21:15 |
| lardman | serves me right for being on holiday I guess ;) | 21:15 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: You are trying to use a C++ model with a tableview? | 21:16 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: I would like to have a table in my qml application using a C++ model. | 21:16 |
| djszapi | and as the guy writes on that page: you have a listview and that is it. | 21:17 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: I suppose you can make a GridView element look like a table view | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | I haven't worked with grid view, but if you make the height/width properly it will look table-ish | 21:18 |
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| djszapi | that is not really the point | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | I must not understand what issue you are having | 21:21 |
| djszapi | the point is that you cannot avoid that what you can by using QTableView in C++ which is to not deal with the columns actually. | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | Ah yes, that. I think we talked about this before | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | With a C++ model you need to access by rolename | 21:22 |
| djszapi | I prefer listview + column deal over gridview + column deal | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | So assign a rolename for each column (ie rolename[Qt::UserRole+1] = 'name';) | 21:22 |
| djszapi | well, it is not really rolename, is it :) | 21:22 |
| djszapi | I would not actually do that | 21:22 |
| djszapi | since it mixes up the things | 21:22 |
| djszapi | I would just make an enum for the numbers, that is | 21:23 |
| djszapi | role is a bit different concept | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | Then in your model class re-implement the data function | 21:23 |
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| npm | what's the "harmattan" way of ensuring there's only one instance of an app, versus the "meego" way. Is there a generic qt way of doing this that's platform independent? | 21:26 |
| djszapi | npm: well, it sounds weird... | 21:28 |
| npm | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/8132 | 21:28 |
| djszapi | kdevelop did its session management for that... | 21:28 |
| n900evil | Odd. | 21:29 |
| npm | i believe at least the meego tablet ux has that... | 21:29 |
| n900evil | Flashing doesn't work under 2.6.33 for me | 21:29 |
| n900evil | compiled fresh 3.0 and it works simply | 21:30 |
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| fiferboy | npm: In your dekstop file you can set exec to '/usr/bin/single-instance /path/to/binary' | 21:35 |
| fiferboy | npm: That is Harmattan only, AFAIK | 21:35 |
| npm | fiferboy: thanks... i was trying that. wanted to see whether "Exec=invoker --single-instance --type=d /opt/Qt-Complex-Harmattan/bin/Qt-Complex-Harmattan" was recognized by other meegos checking in now in order to compile on other platforms... | 21:39 |
| npm | because "invoker" is used on MeeGo tablet UX. | 21:39 |
| npm | and my goals are to make apps work on both | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | npm: Ah, I have heard weird things about invoker not honouring single-instance on Harmattan | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | npm: Have you found that? | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | Also, single-instance doesn't work in a package deployed from Qt Creator (AFAICT) | 21:42 |
| npm | fiferboy: i'll find out. and yes, single instance wouldn't work through qtcreator... fortunately for harmattan, it pre-kills before running a new instance | 21:44 |
| fiferboy | npm: But if you leave the deployed package on the system and run it through the desktop file, you can end up with multiple instances | 21:44 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: do you understand this description ? It does not use a C++ model, thus it might need a bit more consideration for that case: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/ | 21:48 |
| hardaker | I've *got* to finish this outstanding project so I can play with code for the 950. it's driving me nuts watching this chat room while not tinkering | 21:49 |
| npm | fiferboy:works on tablet too "Exec=invoker --single-instance --type=d /opt/qmltube/bin/qmltube" | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: Yes, but I haven't looked at the TableView element that Jens evidently wrote | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | It should work with a C++ model too, as long as you assign the *roles* | 21:52 |
| npm | trying on harmattan next | 21:52 |
| djszapi | fiferboy: nope, it has nothing to do with roles. | 21:55 |
| djszapi | roles != column numbers in theory. | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | djszapi: That is true, but it is the *only* way I know of to access multiple columns in QML from a C++ abstract model | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | If you know another way, please tell me | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | Otherwise, I am going to continue to equate _roles_ with _columns_ because I have ways to make them functionally the same in QML | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | ok. qml stuff kinda works. very slow to startthough | 22:10 |
| * RST38h isn't sure users will want to wait for 3-5seconds | 22:10 | |
| alterego | prestart | 22:11 |
| alterego | What app is it? | 22:11 |
| RST38h | alterego: any of my apps | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Let us say speccy | 22:14 |
| alterego | Hrm, well, dunno then :) | 22:14 |
| alterego | Maybe load the app dynamically and show a quick splash page first. | 22:14 |
| RST38h | meh | 22:15 |
| * RST38h once again wonders if using html would have been a better performing choice than qml | 22:15 | |
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| rcg | RST38h: there are some measures that claim to speed up the start | 22:15 |
| rcg | though, a splash would be good in anyway imho | 22:15 |
| alterego | That's how iOS does it | 22:16 |
| alterego | And a few Nokia maemo/meego apps too .. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | meh. | 22:16 |
| rcg | http://library.developer.nokia.com/topic/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/guide/html/main.html | 22:16 |
| rcg | err | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, supposedly faster in newer releases. | 22:17 |
| rcg | oh.. its actually the correct link | 22:17 |
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| rcg | RST38h: above link should direct you to: "Optimising application startup" in the docs | 22:17 |
| RST38h | aha thanks | 22:18 |
| Ilosanoma | (Ovi) Store application has been updated for N950 devices. After updating you can download stuff. What's the best fart app for this device? | 22:19 |
| Ilosanoma | There's surprisingly quite lots of apps. I haven't tried any if they actually work though. | 22:20 |
| thp | RST38h: also, "invoker" supports preloading of qt libs automatically + a splash screen | 22:20 |
| thp | RST38h: so ideally, just using the right command line in the .desktop file should speed things up a bit already | 22:20 |
| RST38h | aha, trying | 22:21 |
| thp | invoker --help gives some helpful output | 22:21 |
| RST38h | will invoker also pass extra arguments to my executable, if I place them after executable name? | 22:21 |
| thp | Usage: invoker [options] [--type=TYPE] [file] [args] | 22:21 |
| thp | so apparently, yes | 22:21 |
| thp | you can also use it to single-instance your app | 22:22 |
| RST38h | ah perrrfect | 22:22 |
| RST38h | let us see how well it works | 22:22 |
| RST38h | naaah, no change | 22:23 |
| thp | did you use --type=d ? | 22:23 |
| RST38h | used --type=e | 22:24 |
| thp | oh, also the --help output says the boosting thingie works for apps compiled as shared libs or with '-pie' | 22:24 |
| RST38h | meh. | 22:26 |
| * RST38h likes watching engineers create problems for themselves, then heroically solve these problems by creating more problems | 22:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | Without actually asking around if there is a common widely deployed solution invented 40 years ago. | 22:27 |
| thp | well, the problems that engineers solve and don't create additional problems won't be visible to you, because they have been solved. | 22:27 |
| RST38h | true | 22:29 |
| RST38h | but the remaining ones tend to snowball though | 22:29 |
| RST38h | got a stupid question: | 22:34 |
| RST38h | inside QML,how do I turn "file:///aaa/ffff/ggg/eee" into just "eee"? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | (hint: JS standard regex functions appear to fail) | 22:35 |
| rm_work | regex fails? O_o | 22:35 |
| rm_work | or do you fail at regex? :P | 22:35 |
| RST38h | functions fail, not regex itself | 22:36 |
| rm_work | hrm, strange | 22:38 |
| rm_work | haven't tried, but was assuming it was a full javascript engine... and regex seems an odd thing to leave out | 22:38 |
| Ilosanoma | regexps should work in the javascript | 22:40 |
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| Ilosanoma | you have a code snippet to paste? | 22:40 |
| RST38h | qml:Config.qml:411: TypeError: Result of expression 'folderList.folder.lastIndexOf' [undefined] is not a function. | 22:41 |
| RST38h | FolderList.folder property is supposed to be a string but is not | 22:42 |
| Ilosanoma | RST38h: I'm a QML newbie myself, so take this with a grain of salt. But I'm of the impression that while properties can be used in javascript, they're not javascript objects. So create the pattern matching in a handler (or somewhere else in QML where JS is valid) and manipulate the property there | 22:44 |
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| Arkenoi | I wish ovi store had big button "hide forever all bookmarks pretending to be apps". wait, what? almost no apps remain? | 22:46 |
| Arkenoi | but that's fair at least | 22:46 |
| Ilosanoma | lol really? So it's like the Chrome appstore | 22:47 |
| wazd | Ilosanoma: it's like any other appstore out there | 22:47 |
| Ilosanoma | I'm so out of touch with these crazy times, I have no experience with appstores. | 22:48 |
| Arkenoi | btw still no angry birds nor messaging plugins for accounts | 22:50 |
| * RST38h is tired of saying "meh" tonight | 22:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not seeing the huge difference beteween fullscreen avascript in-browser-loaded-from-disk app, and a 'proper' app | 22:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: haven't done the ti84+se skin yet? =) | 22:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: ah, you forgot to tell me where to move what :D | 22:52 |
| Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: usually start-up time, latency, and integrating with platform's style is better with "native" apps. | 22:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: you need straight buttons without curves? | 22:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: just need all the buttons and screen to be at the same positions as in TI83 skin | 22:54 |
| Arkenoi | btw 3 of 5 programs from ovi store i tried did not install because of missing deps | 22:55 |
| Ilosanoma | Arkenoi: Judging from qgil's mesasge on meego forum, third party apps are not likely to be available until final firmware (that N9 is released with) is done. I sure miss myself gtalk plugin. | 22:55 |
| Arkenoi | and what confuses me is that apt-get upgrade seems to be totally indpendent from app store "check for updates" | 22:56 |
| RST38h | how have you got the app store in the first place? | 22:57 |
| RST38h | says "coming soon" here | 22:57 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: reloaded updates via menu, and wow -- it started working. and apt-get upgrade *WON'T* get you there, you need to use GUI. | 22:58 |
| Ilosanoma | That's kinda annoying. | 22:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: what updates? | 22:59 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: via settings menu | 23:00 |
| Ilosanoma | RST38h: Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications | 23:00 |
| RST38h | ah! | 23:00 |
| RST38h | checking | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Another weird question: my flickable appears to overlap the label at the top of my window | 23:01 |
| RST38h | when I flick it, I mean | 23:02 |
| RST38h | How do I make the label background opaque??? | 23:02 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: You need the proper stacking order | 23:03 |
| fiferboy | Declare the label _after_ the flickable, or set the "z" property | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I go to create a nokia account, and it doesn't work. | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone else hit htis? Service unavailable | 23:03 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: ah interesting, so what do I set it to? which direction is "up"? | 23:04 |
| Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: there's a thread in meego forum about that issue. Do you have time synch from service provider on? Some reported success using that. | 23:04 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Bigger is in front, I think | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | My provider has broken time-sync | 23:05 |
| * SpeedEvil pokes around. | 23:05 | |
| RST38h | fiferboy: thanks | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Arkanoid: doesnot let me install stuff | 23:06 |
| wazd | RST38h: got it | 23:07 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: is there a gallery of default theme icons somewhere? (looking for the UP arrow to show "parent folder") | 23:08 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: Not that I know of :/ | 23:13 |
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| ajalkane | RST38h: but go and explore in /usr/share/themes/blanco, the up-arrow is in the sub folders. | 23:14 |
| fiferboy | I typically change to /usr/share/themes/blanco and 'ls -R |grep up' then investigate likely candidates | 23:14 |
| RST38h | yea, tried that, no catch | 23:14 |
| ajalkane | RST38h: you mean the back arrow? The one pointing left? | 23:15 |
| RST38h | I need one pointing up. | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: icon-m-toolbar-up ? | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Ah! | 23:15 |
| RST38h | thanks thanks thans | 23:15 |
| fiferboy | :D | 23:15 |
| RST38h | although the toolbar one may not be ideal, the dialog one would be | 23:15 |
| RST38h | icon-m-common-something | 23:16 |
| ajalkane | the dialog what? Anyway, as far as I've investigated they all are inside the themes folder | 23:16 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: | 23:16 |
| fiferboy | meegotouch-slider-handle-label-arrow-up.png ? | 23:16 |
| RST38h | umgh! worth a try =) | 23:17 |
| RST38h | looks like I have killed the device | 23:17 |
| javispedro | is it me or is the harmattan store a complete qa... disaster? | 23:17 |
| RST38h | no it is back up | 23:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: we are not supposed to use it yet, so I guess it is ok | 23:18 |
| javispedro | there's an application called "photos from manuz73" which does exactly that, show photos from some guy. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | heh | 23:18 |
| javispedro | the numbers and average usefulness indicates to me that it is probably easier to get the app listed in ovistore than apps.formeego.com =) | 23:20 |
| ajalkane | lol | 23:20 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Did that image crash your phone? | 23:20 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Nah, I think Ovi Store did | 23:27 |
| fiferboy | Whew | 23:27 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: the toolbar-up image is actually pretty good, using it | 23:27 |
| javispedro | yeah, during package installation the entire phone freezes for quite a while | 23:29 |
| javispedro | quite worse than n900, and it is because of aegis | 23:29 |
| RST38h | I could not install a single package | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Because you have gravely insulted aegis | 23:29 |
| javispedro | (benchmark dpkg vs dpkg.real several times in a row and notice how dpkg takes virtually 10x the time of dpkg.real) | 23:29 |
| javispedro | evil me :) | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | You of all people should know better | 23:30 |
| javispedro | My own godly powers are increasing though, He already wanted to selfdestruct on my device but I prevented Him from doing so so far | 23:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You should start writing "My" and "he" | 23:31 |
| fiferboy | :-O | 23:31 |
| fiferboy | The transition hasn't fully taken place yet | 23:32 |
| RST38h | Actually, degrade the motherfucking subsystem to "it", does not deserve more. | 23:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I was able to install this guy's photos as well as the anglemeter thing (same as on the n900 only a bit speedier) | 23:38 |
| javispedro | nothing more | 23:38 |
| RST38h | scary stuff | 23:38 |
| RST38h | ok, let us extend this set by one | 23:38 |
| javispedro | do tell if you find anything that is also installable | 23:39 |
| javispedro | ah, videos also could be "installed" | 23:39 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, iOS is so faaast on the package idiocy | 23:39 |
| ajalkane | in some apps there's comments from nokia folks (using N9 I gather). Would figure those should be installable. | 23:39 |
| GAN900 | and doesn't block | 23:39 |
| GAN900 | ajalkane, they have newer firmware than we do. | 23:40 |
| ajalkane | GAN900: Well... yes. Could break things. | 23:40 |
| GAN900 | It's unreasonable not to be able to remove more than one package at a time. | 23:41 |
| RST38h | ok, sleep time | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Night. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Some other people have mentioned logging into nokia account by name. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this just the whatever@youreamiladress part? | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | the whatever that is | 23:47 |
| javispedro | oh btw, did you fix the reboot loop SpeedEvil? | 23:47 |
| ieatlint | i just have a nokia account with the name "ieatlint" | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It was some wierd thing where 2.6.33 would not properly flash | 23:47 |
| javispedro | it's without the @emailadresspart afaik | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.0 works | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no clue why | 23:48 |
| javispedro | heh | 23:48 |
| javispedro | cutting edge | 23:48 |
| * SpeedEvil is pissed off. | 23:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | They pulled powersaving support for my laptop wireless card, as it's broke for some. | 23:48 |
| wazd | I've installed Elements | 23:49 |
| wazd | if anyone cares :D | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Disabled it in one kernel version, which was easy to revert, an ripped it out in the next, which isn't so | 23:49 |
| * SpeedEvil sings the elements song. | 23:49 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: and you are now discovering why I am quite slow while updating kernels, why I have a "patches" folder that is on the few megabytes size, and why I use gentoo :) | 23:49 |
| * SpeedEvil is pondering moving from slackware. | 23:50 | |
| wazd | damn, the only useful app in the whole store has missing dependencies | 23:51 |
| wazd | bloody currency converter | 23:51 |
| javispedro | heh | 23:51 |
| ieatlint | there's a store? | 23:51 |
| Arkenoi | and coin flip cannot use accelerometer *facepalm* | 23:52 |
| Arkenoi | coin toss it is called, yes | 23:52 |
| wazd | life without flash is kinda boring | 23:53 |
| wazd | HTML5 is really overrated right now | 23:54 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders writing a client for certain flash websites. | 23:54 | |
| wazd | Can't do almost anything I did on N900 :( | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | there will be flash coming to the harmattan methinks | 23:54 |
| * SpeedEvil idly wonders if you can jam the n900 flash plugin into te browser. | 23:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | Proably not. | 23:54 |
| ajalkane | Adobe can bring flash plugin if it wants to :-D | 23:54 |
| ieatlint | back at the meego conference, i had lunch with a nokia employee who told me her job was to get flash working on an unnamed meego phone | 23:54 |
| alterego | ieatlint: yeah, unnamed and never to be released :P | 23:55 |
| javispedro | he/she still works at nokia? | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | no idea | 23:55 |
| ieatlint | she said most of her job was getting the mic and front facing camera to interface with the plugin | 23:55 |
| javispedro | not even the aegis original designer works at nokia any more... | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but i wonder if he ditchd after 2/11 | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | which, btw, 6 month anniversary tomorrow :P | 23:56 |
| ajalkane | I hope elopacolypse is over by end of Q1/2012. The guy is likable, he even answered my e-mails about the Meego phone, but he's kinda simple in his WP obsession. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Neat. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: (frontcam) | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | anyway, i was careful to say that i think there will be flash | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | not that there will be | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | speaking in absolutes when talking about nokia is never a good idea | 23:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was almost going to say I can't imagine nokia launching without flash. | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | in fact, the only thing i'll say about nokia in speaking in absolutes is to say a wp7 will come out sometime in the next 12 months :P | 23:58 |
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| apol | hi, I just compiled my QWidget application from Fremantle, is there any way to fix its uglyness? :P | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, you went to the conference? | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | Goddamn it's being too hard to get the apps look like the native apps. Anyone figured out already what are the correct sizes / colors for the ListView items when there is the main text and the smaller text underneath it? | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: yeah | 23:59 |
| ieatlint | there was free beer, of course i went | 23:59 |
| ajalkane | apol: rewrite with QML :) | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, must've missed you. | 23:59 |
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