| rcg | MohammadAG: you can simply use "onSignalName" | 00:00 |
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| rcg | so for "signal: void foo();" you use "onFoo: ..." | 00:00 |
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| rcg | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-extending.html#signal-support | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | rcg, I'm using view.rootContext()->setContextProperty("MediaRecorder", &recorder); | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | not qmlRegisterType | 00:03 |
| rcg | hmm ic .. sorry, have no experience with that approach | 00:03 |
| rcg | though, i assume it should work similarly.. | 00:04 |
| rcg | can you use "MediaRecorder" to access your stuff in QML? | 00:04 |
| rcg | if yes then you could try to do something like: MediaRecorder.onSignalName: { ... } | 00:05 |
| rcg | but thats really a very wild guess | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | MediaRecorder.function() yes | 00:05 |
| rcg | then you really might give: MediaRecorder.onSignalName: { ... } a try | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | the signal has an int in it, which I need btw | 00:06 |
| rcg | let me know how it works out ;) | 00:06 |
| rcg | you can access it | 00:06 |
| frals | whatever the var is named in signal def, use the same in your signal handler | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | isn't AUDIO/PCM .wav btw? | 00:06 |
| rcg | exactly as frals said | 00:07 |
| frals | and if rcg suggestion dont work Connection { target: MediaRecorder ... } should | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | MusicRecorder.onUploaded: { uploadProgressBar.value: percentage } | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Creator says UploadingPage.qml:19: error: Expected token `;' | 00:08 |
| rcg | MusicRecorder.onUploaded: { uploadProgressBar.value = percentage } | 00:08 |
| rcg | note the '=' instead of ':' | 00:09 |
| frals | when writing javascript use =, when qml use : ;-) | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | uh oh flashing failed at 82% of rootfs | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | http://pastie.org/2341389 | 00:10 |
| rcg | afaik ':' binds a property while '=' is more like a value assignment | 00:11 |
| frals | mgedmin: did you use oneclick flasher? | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | yep | 00:11 |
| rcg | so if you foo: bar and then change bar, foo will change likewise as it is bound to bar | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | looks like a hardware problem :/ | 00:11 |
| rcg | iirc | 00:12 |
| rcg | this can be quite handy in conjunction with the alias keyword | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | frals, qrc:/qml/UploadingPage.qml:19:5: Non-existent attached object | 00:12 |
| frals | mgedmin: yeah, looks pretty bad, if reflash attempt fails id get in touch with nokia | 00:13 |
| frals | MohammadAG: and the line is? | 00:13 |
| special | MusicRecorder.onUploaded is an attached signal, which isn't what you want | 00:13 |
| special | recorder.onUploaded *may* work, otherwise Connections { target: recorder; onUploaded: | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | Sounds like an aegis error | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, try writing manually | 00:17 |
| mgedmin | aegis protects the last 18% of the rootfs from unauthorized reflashes? | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | frals, commented out, which leaves me to believe Qt Creator is being retarded | 00:21 |
| ieatlint | that's unlikely, nokia build environments are always clean, clear, concise and work perfectly | 00:22 |
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| rcg | MohammadAG: just a question: is there any reason not to use qmlRegisterType? | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | rcg, not really | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | does that keep an instance of the object or does it need static methods? | 00:29 |
| rcg | "If the QML item needs to receive signals from the context property, it can connect to them using the Connections element." | 00:30 |
| rcg | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtbinding.html | 00:30 |
| rcg | Connections { target: MediaRecorder; onUploaded: { uploadProgressBar.value = percentage } } | 00:31 |
| special | is 'MediaRecorder' a type or a variable? | 00:31 |
| rcg | actually thats the variable | 00:32 |
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| special | it's convention to use uppercase first letters for types in QML | 00:32 |
| rcg | and yes should actually start lowercase.. was just about to mention this ;) | 00:32 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: ah i see.. so you need that reference in your C++ code while interacting with QML.. then the above snippet with "Connections ..." should do | 00:33 |
| rcg | if you use qmlRegisterType you essentially create the object in the QML part.. but you can pass a pointer to that object back to your C++ code at any time | 00:34 |
| rcg | i think frals and special also already mentioned "Connections..." | 00:35 |
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| antman8969 | anyone know what javispedro 's n64 emulator project name is? or if he hosted a deb anywhere | 00:45 |
| rcg | does anyone know if there is something like a treeview in QML? | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | k, so 10.1MBs for 30 seconds is NOT good | 00:50 |
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| hardaker2 | anyone tried a screen protector yet? do the ones from the n900 work ok on the 950, or is there an issue with the capacitive touch screen difference? | 00:57 |
| antman8969 | I actually did | 00:57 |
| hardaker2 | (the 950 is cap-touch, right?) | 00:57 |
| antman8969 | I bought the matte finish screen protectors for the droid x | 00:57 |
| antman8969 | yea | 00:57 |
| hardaker2 | antman8969: was the size of it about right then? | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | I had to trim it a little, but it ended up fitting the visible area | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | but not the entire glass, no | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | I ended up taking it off | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | the swipe gesture it kind of annoying to do | 00:58 |
| hardaker2 | rough edge? | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | you end up swiping from the glass onto the protector | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | not really | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | well | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | first off, the matte finish distorts the whites on screen | 00:58 |
| antman8969 | makes them kind of sparkly... | 00:59 |
| antman8969 | but even if it was a clear one | 00:59 |
| antman8969 | the problem is that the UI requires you to gesture from the outside of the screen | 00:59 |
| antman8969 | so unless its perfectly fit I dont see it working | 00:59 |
| antman8969 | I ended up just putting it in my pocket lol. I got a n8 leather case for it tho | 00:59 |
| antman8969 | so it doesn't bang around my gym bag | 01:00 |
| antman8969 | even that I had to cut... | 01:00 |
| hardaker2 | the n8 is a bit thicker, but otherwise the right size I take it? | 01:01 |
| antman8969 | aparently it's shorter too lol | 01:01 |
| antman8969 | the n950 stick out of the top of the case | 01:01 |
| antman8969 | I have a rubber band attached to the belt slot | 01:01 |
| antman8969 | maybe the e7 would have been better | 01:01 |
| antman8969 | a case for the e7 that is | 01:01 |
| hardaker2 | we need the n9 accessories. | 01:02 |
| antman8969 | yea | 01:02 |
| antman8969 | not sure how much choice will be available | 01:02 |
| antman8969 | maybe once it launches in sweeden | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | the E7 case would work perfectly | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | the N9 accessories won't work, it's a bit slimmer than the N950 | 01:04 |
| hardaker2 | I'm still hoping they put the 950 into production. | 01:05 |
| hardaker2 | my wife is not happy they're not making some with keyboards. | 01:05 |
| ieatlint | i think you can give up on that hope | 01:06 |
| hardaker2 | no | 01:06 |
| hardaker2 | I refuse | 01:06 |
| antman8969 | lol | 01:06 |
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| ieatlint | i'm pretty sure blind hope was one of nokia's problems too | 01:07 |
| antman8969 | does your wife plan on buying? | 01:07 |
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| hardaker2 | who knows. | 01:08 |
| hardaker2 | she likes how the 950 looks and feels. | 01:08 |
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| lardman | anyone added a backup conf file? Is there an accepted string to use to replace <application-type>nokia</application-type> ? | 01:15 |
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| lardman | has anyone worked out what the backup script stuff here actually means?: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Application_development_framework/Data_Storage/Using_Backup_Framework | 01:27 |
| lardman | for example, how are the backup scripts called by the backup application? | 01:27 |
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| * lardman is guessing that he should use application as the category | 01:35 | |
| lardman | and that the backup framework will place the backed up file as per his conf file, so that his restore script can unpack it | 01:35 |
| lardman | hopefully.... | 01:36 |
| lardman | ;) | 01:36 |
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| lardman | evening infobot | 01:37 |
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| antman8969 | ?? rand() on harmattan is only generating 846930886 over and over | 01:46 |
| antman8969 | thats not very random | 01:47 |
| hardaker2 | it could happen :-P | 01:47 |
| antman8969 | lol yea 10 times in a row.... I should play loto | 01:47 |
| special | antman8969: did you call srand()? | 01:48 |
| hardaker2 | (did you call srand first I hope?) | 01:48 |
| hardaker2 | otherwise you get what you asked for! | 01:48 |
| antman8969 | well | 01:48 |
| antman8969 | no I didn't, but I didn't have to on debian | 01:48 |
| special | you're not guaranteed anything about the seed by the system | 01:49 |
| special | so it can be (and often is) the same for every process every time it starts. | 01:49 |
| hardaker2 | you need to call it on everything. | 01:49 |
| hardaker2 | it's undefined otherwise. | 01:49 |
| antman8969 | aparently, but it DID work fine on my pc | 01:49 |
| hardaker2 | ish. | 01:49 |
| hardaker2 | you got lucky. | 01:49 |
| antman8969 | ?? | 01:50 |
| antman8969 | I got lucky and got random numbers every time? | 01:50 |
| hardaker2 | just insert an srand(time()) at the top of main | 01:50 |
| antman8969 | kk | 01:50 |
| lardman | yeah but surely even if you get the same set of numbers they should be different on each call | 01:50 |
| hardaker2 | antman8969: no, you got lucky you were on a libc implementation that probably did a seed for you. though what *with* is a different question. | 01:50 |
| hardaker2 | if it was the same seed every time, it wouldn't have been better :-/ | 01:50 |
| special | can't be much worse than time() :) | 01:50 |
| special | other than srand(4), I guess. | 01:51 |
| antman8969 | well, I'll tell you in 10 seconds | 01:51 |
| hardaker2 | you should try srand(0) and see if you get the same number :-) | 01:51 |
| special | (obligatory: http://xkcd.com/221/) | 01:51 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:17 |
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| Termana | morning | 05:51 |
| twoboxen | morning | 06:01 |
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| rcg | mornin all | 09:07 |
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| wazd | yeah, my sister wants to buy N950 for 500 Euros :D | 10:03 |
| aslani | :D | 10:03 |
| wazd | Like immediately :) | 10:03 |
| aslani | Well, it's a very good piece of hardware :) ...and software | 10:03 |
| wazd | she doesn't care bout the software that much as long as it has navigation software :) | 10:04 |
| aslani | well, actually ovi-maps are quite good | 10:05 |
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| Arkenoi | n950 could kick sh*t out of e7 as "business phone" | 10:12 |
| aslani | maybe if it would have SD-slot or more internal mass storage? | 10:13 |
| Arkenoi | why internal storage is so ridiculously small is different question | 10:13 |
| Arkenoi | there were early 64gb versions iirc | 10:14 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/08/n950-remove-developer-edition-branding/ :P | 10:18 |
| aslani | I guess these N950s we have now are just for "please make some software to N9 fast", not like they wanted to put any money making them? | 10:18 |
| wazd | I wonder why only about 8Gbs of 16 are available :) | 10:19 |
| wazd | space for applications? | 10:20 |
| aslani | have you checked df -h ? | 10:20 |
| aslani | yeah | 10:20 |
| Arkenoi | wazd, already done that :-) | 10:21 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: you've used MC or vim? | 10:22 |
| Arkenoi | vim sure | 10:22 |
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| wazd | awesome, no DEVELOPER EDITION pride for me :) | 10:38 |
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| vladest | hi | 10:45 |
| aslani | I sort of like my "DEVELOPER EDITION" -texts :( | 10:45 |
| wazd | e-mail app still has it though :) | 10:49 |
| Arkenoi | wazd, you must be missing something, i removed it successfully everywhere | 10:50 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: it's hard to miss 2 rows of text in the end of the file :P | 10:50 |
| Arkenoi | then this instruction is incomplete | 10:51 |
| Arkenoi | i used the one from wiki | 10:51 |
| wazd | and calc still has it :( | 10:51 |
| wazd | Arkenoi: link? | 10:51 |
| Arkenoi | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/N950 | 10:53 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: Thanks | 11:02 |
| wazd | Ovi Journeys? Wth is that? :) | 11:03 |
| aslani | Could it be some sort of public transportation app? | 11:04 |
| aslani | so you could plan your routes to meetings from you calendar and and... probably nothing as awesome :( | 11:04 |
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| wazd | Arkenoi: how did you override read-only of constants.ini? :) Vim seems to block any changes even with ! | 11:06 |
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| Arkenoi | wazd, dunno, it "just worked". did you do devel-su or ssh root@localhost? rumors say it may differ | 11:10 |
| RST38h | does differ a bit | 11:12 |
| RST38h | from the aegis point of view - I have not been able to do some things with ssh | 11:12 |
| rcg | well.. from the aegis point of view you have to be careful what you do anyways | 11:13 |
| rcg | luckily i didn't edit an aegis protected file in /etc yet as this most probably would have required me to reflash | 11:13 |
| RST38h | yummy | 11:14 |
| rcg | afaik DocScrutinizer had some discussion about aegis and /etc some while ago.. what i can tell is that its safe to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 11:14 |
| rcg | ;) | 11:14 |
| wazd | nm, my bad | 11:14 |
| rcg | grep etc /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist | 11:16 |
| wazd | http://journeys.nokia.com/ | 11:16 |
| wazd | :P | 11:16 |
| rcg | most probably if the file you wanna edit is in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist it would not be a good idea to edit it | 11:16 |
| wazd | http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/10/ovi-journeys-sportstracker-gets-social.html | 11:17 |
| aslani | :( | 11:17 |
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| Venemo | good morning | 11:19 |
| wazd | Venemo: heya | 11:19 |
| rcg | morning Venemo | 11:20 |
| rcg | and bbl.. gotta go to work.. | 11:20 |
| RST38h | ehlo venemo | 11:20 |
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| wazd | cool, the hack works, javispedro is the man *again* :) | 11:20 |
| RST38h | They are still using "Ovi"? | 11:21 |
| ieatlint | they seem pretty inconsistent about that | 11:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope | 11:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: it redirects to journeys.nokia.com | 11:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: yea, but it is Ovi Journeys | 11:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: news from october, 19, you know :P | 11:34 |
| wazd | 2009 :D | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Oh my god the tentacled one I have not notices | 11:36 |
| RST38h | d | 11:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: so journeys went nowhere, ending with a spinoff into a different company? | 11:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: I guess so, but why is it mentioned in N950 styling files then? :P | 11:40 |
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| rcg | work work... | 11:43 |
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| Venemo | hey wazd & rcg & RST38h :) | 11:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:58 |
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| rcg | mornin lardman | 12:01 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, ping | 12:01 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: pong | 12:03 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, good news, the author of libircclient-qt plans his next version to be very QML-friendly | 12:04 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: nice, so we wait? | 12:04 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, unfortunately for us, this new version is still somewhat far away from being released, so he recommended us to proceed with the old version | 12:04 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 12:04 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, when the new one is released (if at all), it will make our code a lot easier | 12:05 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: hah, well, no use waiting | 12:06 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, now I plan to implement a very simple backend that is hardcoded to freenode (so that I will have IRC with me on the train) | 12:07 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, then I'll entrust the rest of the backend work to you :) | 12:07 |
| hiemanshu | works for me | 12:07 |
| hiemanshu | I'll be busy with GSoC till untill end of the month | 12:07 |
| Venemo | all right | 12:08 |
| Venemo | btw, what's your GSoC project? | 12:08 |
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| lardman | debian gurus? | 12:16 |
| Venemo | lardman, see #debian | 12:17 |
| Venemo | lardman, but if you don't have to, don't mention that your question is not directly about Debian... | 12:18 |
| lardman | debian/rules, I want to execute dh_installinit only for Fremantle, not for Harmattan. I've got a variable set to let me know whether it's Fremantle or not, can I use if [] in one of the sections | 12:18 |
| lardman | sorry Venemo, got delayed watching riot aftermath on the news | 12:19 |
| Venemo | no problem | 12:19 |
| Venemo | I can't really help you, I'm not much of a packaging guru myself. | 12:19 |
| Venemo | sorry :( | 12:19 |
| lardman | np | 12:19 |
| Venemo | alterego, ping | 12:19 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: my GSoC project is Fedora Events System | 12:20 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, and what does that do? | 12:20 |
| hiemanshu | Event Managements | 12:20 |
| Venemo | what kind of events are we talking about? | 12:21 |
| hiemanshu | Conferences and such | 12:22 |
| Venemo | mhm | 12:23 |
| kimju | lardman, debian/rules is basicly a makefile. | 12:23 |
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| Venemo | is there a free bugzilla service we could use for our MeeGo apps? | 12:34 |
| spenap | Venemo, I'm using https://projects.developer.nokia.com/ | 12:35 |
| spenap | it has a ticketing system integrated | 12:35 |
| Venemo | spenap, is it free? | 12:36 |
| Venemo | as in, free beer at least? | 12:36 |
| lardman | kimju: thanks, I've finally worked that one out | 12:36 |
| lardman | so I'm just using the wrong conditional syntax | 12:36 |
| spenap | Venemo, yeah, I think it's associated with the launchpad account used to get the N950s | 12:37 |
| kimju | lardman, pastebin your rules-file so we can review it? | 12:37 |
| Venemo | lardman, later on, could you please share this information so that we can learn from it? | 12:37 |
| lardman | sure | 12:37 |
| spenap | Venemo, and yes, seems free as in free beer if you would have to create the account from scratch | 12:38 |
| spenap | «If you are not registered yet, please fill in the registration form and you will be able to access the tools and resources you need for application development [...] Registration is free and [...]» | 12:39 |
| Venemo | spenap, thx | 12:39 |
| spenap | Venemo, np | 12:40 |
| * lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for FF to become responsive again | 12:41 | |
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| lardman | http://pastebin.com/EqEfrTjt | 12:43 |
| lardman | though I need to change the first conditional check to the right format | 12:43 |
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| lardman | http://pastebin.com/zzFrv0Fw | 12:49 |
| lardman | so to summarise, use ifeq() rather than if [] then | 12:49 |
| kimju | HARMATTAN := $(shell test -f /etc/meego-nokia_version && echo 1 || echo 0) | 12:50 |
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| kimju | something like that might work too. | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | lo | 12:50 |
| lardman | that sounds nicer, thanks kimju | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | on my n950, i can't save notes in the note app | 12:50 |
| lardman | ah, I probably forgot the colon in my command then in retrospect | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | i click save, and the page goes back, as it should do, but then the app show a empty message banner, and no note appears in the note list.... | 12:51 |
| kimju | lardman, also, ifeq($(HARMATTAN),0) | 12:51 |
| lardman | ah, ok, needs more brackets, thanks | 12:51 |
| kimju | yes, otherwise it might look for $H | 12:52 |
| lardman | ah ok | 12:52 |
| lardman | cheers :) | 12:52 |
| lardman | bbl | 12:52 |
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| wazd | Guys, is there any way to use HSB colors with QML? | 13:07 |
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| vladest | where to get midnight commander for n950? | 13:11 |
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| M4rtinK2 | there is on in rzr's harmattan repo | 13:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | home:rzr:harmattan | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | *one package in | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | BTW, anyone got an idea why this two builds might be are failing ? | 13:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 13:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk%2B&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 13:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | the error messages are not exactly helpful... | 13:20 |
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| vladest | ok, where is to get libslang2 ? | 13:30 |
| wazd | http://s001.radikal.ru/i194/1108/8b/e5c552caf879.png <- any suggestions for temperature colors? :) | 13:30 |
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| vladest | wazd: looks nice | 13:33 |
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| vladest | maybe makes sense to remove green at all\ | 13:34 |
| vladest | n9 contains temperature sensor? :) | 13:35 |
| Tronic | wazd: Green seems out of place. | 13:36 |
| wazd | Tronic: well, yellow is definitely "warm" color, so if, for example +10C will have yellow hue it would be confusing :) | 13:39 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Hmm | 13:45 |
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| Tronic | wazd: Usually blueish colors are mapped to positive temperatures too. | 13:48 |
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| Tronic | 14 °C is the Earth average surface temperature, anything below that could be blue-ish and anything above it yellow/red-ish. | 13:49 |
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| wazd | Tronic: let's stick to 0 as default :P | 13:52 |
| wazd | Tronic: it would be user friendly, not wikipedia :P | 13:52 |
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| spenap | I know I have asked this before, but maybe during this weekend someone did it :D, so here it goes: did anyone manage to integrate with the settings using qtquick? | 13:57 |
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| Venemo_N950 | Anyone getting this? | 14:02 |
| TheBootroo | you could use green for temperate warms '10 to 20 °C, red for above, and blue for colder | 14:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | It's hard to tell whether this crap is not working or people are just not writing | 14:03 |
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| Tronic | Venemo: That crap is not working. | 14:06 |
| Venemo | Tronic, it was working | 14:07 |
| Venemo | the channel log proves that :P | 14:07 |
| Tronic | Oh, I thought I would convince you that nobody saw anything. | 14:07 |
| Venemo | hehe | 14:07 |
| TheBootroo | got a problem with a Qdeclarative app on n950 | 14:08 |
| TheBootroo | if i keep the original settings, i can't have antialising, but if i set i to raster, speed is very low and gradients are like in 16 bit colors | 14:09 |
| TheBootroo | i can't figure out why : i have set 'smooth' to 'true' on QML elements, and i have the renderhint 'Antialising' to true on the declarativeVIew | 14:10 |
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| TheBootroo | and on the computer, it works fine | 14:10 |
| TheBootroo | (perfectly) | 14:10 |
| Venemo | Tronic, only issue is that I can't retrieve the user list of a channel | 14:11 |
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| Venemo | why is it that the N950's cellular connection is a lot slower than the N900's? | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | Venemo, never noticed that | 14:32 |
| Venemo | also, the signal reception quality is worse too | 14:33 |
| Venemo | how worse seems to be varying | 14:33 |
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| TheBootroo | Venemo: maybe because its a proto and the software is not finished, and the alu case interscepts a lot of signals strenght (the N9 should be much ebtter with its tiny plastic casing) | 14:34 |
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| Venemo_ | TheBootroo: yeah, that's what I hope for | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo_: no idea for my problem ? | 14:39 |
| Venemo_ | TheBootroo, what is your problem? | 14:39 |
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| TheBootroo | --->> 13:08 | 14:39 |
| Venemo | antialiasing, hm | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo | i got a problem with a Qdeclarative app on n950, if i keep the original settings, i can't have antialising, but if i set i to raster, speed is very low and gradients are like in 16 bit colors... i can't figure out why : i have set 'smooth' to 'true' on QML elements, and i have the renderhint 'Antialising' to true on the declarativeVIew | 14:39 |
| Venemo | I see. | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | very strange problem | 14:40 |
| Venemo | Ihave no idea, but I'm not sure why you would want antialiasing on such a small screen | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | harmattan obviously support AA | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: because without AA its ugly | 14:40 |
| Venemo | I thought that everything is automatically antialiased | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | nope | 14:40 |
| Venemo | well, my app doesn't look ugly. | 14:40 |
| TheBootroo | i have many rounded rectangles so without AA it looks like a stair path | 14:41 |
| Venemo | heh | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: so you have the AA automattically enabled | 14:41 |
| Venemo | not sure. | 14:41 |
| Venemo | it just doesn't look ugly | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | yes, you use the stock harmattan QML components ? | 14:41 |
| Venemo | I do | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | so they have AA enabled | 14:42 |
| Venemo | mhm. | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | but i'm developping my own components | 14:42 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, by the way... you say the alu casing destroys the signal... but _where_ is the alu casing? | 14:42 |
| Venemo | this stuff looks like plain black plastic to me | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | and i can't enable AA on them on my device, but works fine on my computer | 14:42 |
| thp | Venemo: the back cover isn't plastic (apart from the two edges) | 14:43 |
| Venemo | thp, so it's just the battery cover? | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: its a alu casing, with a small plastic film on it | 14:43 |
| aslani | hmm | 14:43 |
| aslani | My N950 is certainly alu | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | even on the front and sides its alu with paper-like plastic film | 14:43 |
| Venemo | mhm... | 14:43 |
| thp | Venemo: at least I got reception problems in low-reception areas as well | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: just look the led | 14:43 |
| aslani | Dropped it twice and it's bit chipped :D | 14:43 |
| TheBootroo | the led is in a hole in the metal, but under the plastic film | 14:44 |
| thp | aslani: i never understood why people drop their devices. it's not good for the casing.. | 14:44 |
| Venemo | so then why don't they connect the antenna to the casing? and then the casing itself could act as an antenna, making reception stronger instead of weaker? | 14:44 |
| Venemo | maybe DocScrutinizer could answer this one? | 14:44 |
| aslani | thp: on screen camera button :( | 14:44 |
| Venemo | thp, I think he dropped accidentally | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: did you remeber Antennagate from Iphone ? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: antennae *always* are a dipole | 14:45 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: the problem with the case being the antenna is that you can't touch the case without absorbing the signal | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | electricity *never* runs thru a one-wire setup | 14:45 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, okay, I get that... | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the common "unipole" antenna is just using GND aka case for the other pole | 14:46 |
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| Venemo | TheBootroo, sure, but this time the anntenna is covered with plastic, so it's insulated from our touch, isn't it? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so on your typical walkie-talkie the telescope antenna is the one half, and case+you+earth is the other half | 14:48 |
| Venemo | also, if it is covered with plastic anyway, what's the point of making it from alu? | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: not everywhere, the middle of the back cover is alu | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: alu is for warm dissipation, strenght, and hype | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can use closed dipole antenna which basically is a sort of a coil | 14:49 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 14:50 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, so how are they managing to make it look the same as the plastic? to me, back cover looks the same as everywhere else | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the alu debate, just remove the battery cover and look at the inside. You start to doubt it's all alu | 14:52 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, if it's not,t hen what's the excuse for the poor reception? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | also battery cover probably doesn't contribute much for heat dissipation/spreading | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: N950? poor reception? can't confirm this | 14:54 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, alterego's device can't even get any signal at all where he lives. | 14:54 |
| frals | mine got shit reception compared to my n900 | 14:55 |
| frals | but expected since n950 is not an enduser device so i *guess* it doesnt have the same level of testing/optimization done | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, dunno. Lots of possible causes | 14:55 |
| Venemo | mine can, but the signal strength becomes zero when I'm on a sparsely populated area / train / bus / etc. -> 90% of which cases the N900 could still give me an internet connection | 14:55 |
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| Venemo | frals, do you see a possibility that this will be fixed by a firmware update? or is it just a hw defect? | 14:56 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: i don't have to whine, mine achieve to dl mails in my cities tube | 14:56 |
| TheBootroo | 20 meters underground | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: don't fool yourself (and us) - Nokia *never* will build a device like N950 for a niche "market" like developer lendout | 14:56 |
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| Venemo | TheBootroo, mine too, because that city's tube does have good coverage. | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | TheBootroo: bah, there are repeaters in there, or even dedicated BTS | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: i don't think so | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: there is not even a wifi network | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: i'm living in france | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF wifi network? | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | its a numr | 14:58 |
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| Venemo | TheBootroo, they actually do place cellular repeaters into the tubes, so that people can phone. | 14:59 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: in the tube station there is no wifi network | 14:59 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: most people cant | 14:59 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, noone is talking about wifi repeaters. | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? on my roof there's also no wifi network | 14:59 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: most people drop call in the lift | 14:59 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, my N900 used to drop calls when it switched towers in the tube :P | 14:59 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: if they donh't put a simple wifi network, why would they put a BTS ? | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | because there are 10000 times more users of GSM than of WiFi? | 15:00 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: :-| | 15:00 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, because you pay to your operator to use your phone. and your operator pays to the metro company to put their towers there. | 15:00 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, noone pays for wifi. | 15:00 |
| Venemo | at least, paid wifis are not popular at all in my country | 15:01 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: here we have operator customized and paid wifi | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus the range of a WLAN AP is max 100m, MAXIMUM. While one BTS with a long pipe slot antenna can cover a tube of 15km length | 15:02 |
| TheBootroo | you can use it only if you have a valid contract with an operator | 15:02 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: could you come at home and install me a BTS in my room :D | 15:03 |
| frals | Venemo: i have no idea, as i said im only guessing | 15:03 |
| TheBootroo | so i can have 5G on my N950 | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, as I'm going to install a BTS on CCCamp in 12h | 15:03 |
| Venemo | frals, ok, then we'll see what the future brings :) | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how do you get any decent signal strength reading? Seems my signal indicator vanished most of the time completely, which didn't mean there was a connectivity issue | 15:05 |
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| * RST38h yawns, inquires about the news | 15:06 | |
| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 15:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | When I connect to the network with the N950, the laptop disconnects | 15:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | Very annoying | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: no news? | 15:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: working on new menu for Ati | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | ah cool =) | 15:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: can I change the layout? To use 4×X grid | 15:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: would prefer not to (will require code changes) | 15:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: ok | 15:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: but if you are absolutely forced to do it and the result is cool, go ahead | 15:17 |
| wazd | RST38h: not really, I think it would work with 3 coloumns too :) | 15:18 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks about buying a bluetooth wristwatch (i:Virt?), hopefully watchphone will work on harmattan | 15:21 | |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, when my signal strength indicator shows 0 signal, then the connection is indeed disconnected | 15:28 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, (I saw in the logs that you asked this after I disconnected) | 15:28 |
| Venemo | ~seen fiferboy | 15:29 |
| infobot | fiferboy <~fiferboy@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 16h 10m 26s ago, saying: 'Venemo: It could be the footer height in CommonDialog, but it doesn't look like it should be used for this'. | 15:29 |
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| Venemo | any idea how I could use the N950's modem from both my laptop and the N950? | 15:43 |
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| TheBootroo | Venemo: same question i can't find how to do that, it was easy on my N900 | 15:44 |
| TheBootroo | i first though i had to use 'sync and connect' usb mode but it doesn't seem to do anything | 15:45 |
| Venemo | but it does | 15:45 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: ? | 15:45 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, I connect to it through "sync and connect" | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: ha ... not me | 15:46 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, read http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4071 | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sync'n'connect is USB-UMTS-stick plus mass storage? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or USB-UMTS-stick plus USB-network? | 15:47 |
| Venemo | sync and connect is the new "pc suite mode" | 15:47 |
| Venemo | but usb-network is only available in sync&connect under Linux | 15:47 |
| alterego | It shows up as a digital camera too. | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | DUH, nice | 15:48 |
| Venemo | but the rest of the fancyness is only on windows | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo | would there be a way to export GPS, wlan, bluetooth, and camera upon USB ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if it's USB-3G-dongle & network, then you need to share back the 3G from PC via USB-network to N950 | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | at least to linux computer ? | 15:49 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, how do I go about that? | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: or use bluetooth to thether and usb to develop ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think that largely depends on your PC distro | 15:50 |
| Venemo | F15 | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to configure a normal 3G-dongle, then share network to the USB-NIC | 15:51 |
| Venemo | "then share network to the USB-NIC" is the problem for me | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are some magic iptables incantations to do this | 15:51 |
| Venemo | last time I tried something similar with MeeGo (non-harmattan), noone could tell me how to do that :( | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not different to sharing "normal" (e.g. DSL) internet of your PC via USB-network to any device | 15:52 |
| Venemo | that either. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think there are howtos for several distros on both maemo and openmoko wiki for that | 15:52 |
| hiemanshu | is this really happenening, DocScrutinizer back in #harmattan | 15:54 |
| * hiemanshu faints | 15:54 | |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, DocScrutinizer never left #harmattan | 15:54 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: he did | 15:54 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, could you please point me to such a wikipage? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 15:55 |
| Venemo | I vaguely recall seeing a Maemo wikipage about USB networking, but it didn't say anything about this subject. | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo | DocScrutinizer: and a way to do a wifi hotpoint fro the 3G modem, without any paid program | 15:56 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo, rumour (djszapi) has it that the N9 has an app "JoikuSpot" or WhateverSpot that does this. | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/USB_Networking http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_to_ethernet_networking | 15:56 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | TheBootroo: aiui there's no way to establish that, as you'd need netfilters kernel module that'S missing. I could be wrong | 15:58 |
| alterego | You can just setup your host as the gateway and nameserver .. | 16:00 |
| alterego | Well, that's what I've done. | 16:00 |
| alterego | The problem is getting network manager to recognise that it's connected .. | 16:00 |
| Venemo | all right, I did this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Configuring_the_host_firewall | 16:01 |
| Venemo | after this, I tried 'ping maemo.org' on N950, and it failed. | 16:01 |
| Venemo | alterego, how did you do that? | 16:02 |
| alterego | I didn't, that's why it is a problem ;) | 16:05 |
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| Venemo | [15:00] <alterego> Well, that's what I've done. | 16:09 |
| Venemo | umm | 16:09 |
| Venemo | don't you contradict yourself a bit? | 16:09 |
| alterego | Nope | 16:09 |
| alterego | I said I did the routing | 16:09 |
| alterego | I've not done anything with network manager. | 16:09 |
| Venemo | why would I need to do anything with network manager? | 16:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s44.radikal.ru/i105/1108/71/3dce94c75ff7.png ? | 16:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: I liked the old periodic-table-like icons better | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd:reset and power look pretty damn nice though | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: :( | 16:11 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: good looking but doesit work ? | 16:11 |
| wazd | RST38h: :) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | wazd: no, really, there is a point after which simplification just makes things uglier =) | 16:12 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: and the NSpire is missing | 16:12 |
| RST38h | BEsides, you now require labels under icons, duplicating icon inscriptions | 16:12 |
| RST38h | by going back to old icons, you get rid fo the labels | 16:12 |
| TheBootroo | no | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | just get rid of labels under icons | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | we know its a TI calc program so we dont need TI to appaer on each icon | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | only the number | 16:13 |
| * RST38h absolutely insists of having at least the upper/lower half layout in the icons same as old ones. The rabbit-turd shape is ok | 16:14 | |
| TheBootroo | you can write TI Calculators in big letters at the top of the screen, only once | 16:14 |
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| TheBootroo | wazd: wait a minute | 16:15 |
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| TheBootroo | RST38h: wazd: much better like that (DRY : dont repeat yourself) : http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 16:22 |
| TheBootroo | and it fits the harmattan style better | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: Sorry, it is much uglier the way you have drawn it | 16:22 |
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| TheBootroo | RST38h: why ? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Huge rounded corners, giant useless text at the top | 16:24 |
| wazd | TheBootroo: well, I think the problem is with over-rounded corners :) | 16:24 |
| TheBootroo | i don't drew anything, i just took the image and repositionned the items on it | 16:25 |
| Termana | I'm glad I'm not the only one who was going to say the rounded edges :p | 16:25 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: they are by default on harmttan, not coming from my mind | 16:25 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 16:25 |
| TheBootroo | well maybe a little too much rounded | 16:26 |
| TheBootroo | gonna fix | 16:26 |
| TheBootroo | now it looks just like the default apps on harmattan (look at rss reader, notes, documents, mails....) : http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 16:28 |
| TheBootroo | recentered title : http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 16:32 |
| TheBootroo | has someone tested the quality of the front webcam ? | 16:33 |
| Termana | TheBootroo, no no no no. absolutely not | 16:33 |
| Termana | you have rounded the bottom as well! | 16:34 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: wut ? | 16:34 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: yes like on N950° | 16:34 |
| TheBootroo | but i made it white to make it visible | 16:34 |
| TheBootroo | because black over black = black | 16:34 |
| Termana | hmmm | 16:34 |
| Termana | I just opened up notes and it does have rounding | 16:35 |
| Termana | maybe it would look better on device | 16:35 |
| TheBootroo | want it or not, its the default look of harmattan | 16:35 |
| TheBootroo | Termana: just dl the image and look it fullscreen in the album, ;-) | 16:35 |
| TheBootroo | (if you have the device) | 16:35 |
| TheBootroo | but the problem will be the white roundind : on device i must be black | 16:36 |
| TheBootroo | so just use this one in place : http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 16:37 |
| TheBootroo | shit there are white glimpses | 16:39 |
| TheBootroo | ok this one is good : http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 16:39 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1108/8b/2dddb052fcbf.png ? :) | 16:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Can we go back to the old periodic-style model icons? Please? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Just change them to the turd shape, but keep the overall look... | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | "Dear Customer, | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | 16:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | Your order has been sent on 9.8.2011. Please see the order information below." | 16:47 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: better to stick to the official default style (modern one) | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - that was unexpected. | 16:47 |
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| wazd | RST38h: :( | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I was resigned to it taking rather longer. | 16:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: The ones you have done are basically just colored shapes with text inside - they do not even look like icons :( | 16:48 |
| * MohammadAG likes it though | 16:49 | |
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| TheBootroo | RST38h: previous ones where too | 16:53 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, overnight. | 16:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: maybe something like this? :) http://i033.radikal.ru/1108/3a/6e5c4c85d8e9.png | 16:55 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: too complicated | 16:58 |
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| wazd | TheBootroo: looks closer to the initial one | 16:58 |
| Termana | wazd, "Service Unavailable". Yes I definitely like that one better | 16:59 |
| Termana | ... :p | 16:59 |
| Termana | nevermind it loaded now | 16:59 |
| wazd | Termana: :D | 16:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: has that rabbit eaten a TI calc manual or what? =) | 16:59 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: yeah but the shape is too complicate | 16:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: you say it like it's something bad :D | 17:00 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: much closer to original one : http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1874/3dce94c75ff7.png | 17:00 |
| wazd | It looks like a bomberman's head :D | 17:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not bad but reminds me of enemas, which is unpleasant | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: thanks. | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | On early boot - are there any flags which will tell the kernel not to do aegis, when execed by flasher? | 17:02 |
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| TheBootroo | RST38h: OMG | 17:02 |
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| wazd | TheBootroo: yes, but I'll still try to find something less obvious :P | 17:05 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: less is best | 17:05 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 17:06 |
| TheBootroo | KISS | 17:06 |
| TheBootroo | (Keep It Simple and Straightforward) | 17:06 |
| TheBootroo | " simplicity should be a key goal in design, and that unnecessary complexity should be avoided. " | 17:07 |
| wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, say hello to J.Ive for me :P | 17:07 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: ok, he will surely be happy about that ;-) | 17:08 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: "...and everything should look like a brightly colored egg" ? | 17:09 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: but you know, apple is not the father of KISS philosophy | 17:09 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: its the harmattan color palette, i have nothing against that | 17:09 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: if the choice had been mine i would have chosen pastel colors | 17:10 |
| wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, and Braun too :) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: TI calcs had their own colors. I would suggest sticking to those. | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: the real origin of the KISS is Kelly Johnson | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Absolutely no reason to use Harmattan color palette or shapes | 17:10 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: or even Leonardo Da Vinci : "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" | 17:11 |
| alterego | I'd really like gst-launch .. | 17:11 |
| alterego | Well, basically I'd like all the gstreamer utils | 17:11 |
| alterego | Has anyone packaged these yet? | 17:11 |
| wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, Leo was heluva simple guy :) | 17:12 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: its better to integrate well with the system, visually, that why lacked to Maemo and made it look even more 'experimental' | 17:12 |
| TheBootroo | wazd: :D | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: Ok, you integrate with the system | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: I will stick to the principle that AlmostTI is a portable cross-platform app that sticks to the TI calculator style and not to the style of the platform it is running at | 17:12 |
| RST38h | (besides, Harmattan style isn't even a fixed thing, it can be changed on a whim) | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: ok, but providing plateform adapted icons for 9 icons is not a real pain, and make a good effect | 17:13 |
| TheBootroo | RST38h: harmattan style is fixed, and is a common style with symbian Belle now | 17:14 |
| TheBootroo | and its a quite good style with researched guideline that you just haev to follow to produce professional looking stuff | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | so, theechonest can decode wavs made by arecord but not those by QMediaRecorder | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Bootroo: ok, thanks. | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | anyone used QMediaRecorder before? | 17:15 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: talkin about gst, do you have tested the front camera of n950 ? quality is better than N900 one i hope ... | 17:15 |
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| Kypeli | Are there known issues with pop():n more than once from the pageStack() | 17:18 |
| Kypeli | If I pop twice, I get to the correct page but it seems it does not have focus. | 17:18 |
| Kypeli | If I pop once, all is fine. | 17:18 |
| TheBootroo | Kypeli: maybe you should wait for the animation to finish before poping again | 17:19 |
| Kypeli | I can't do that. | 17:19 |
| Kypeli | I want to go from subpage 2 to front page. | 17:19 |
| spenap | Kypeli, there's another option, let me check | 17:19 |
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| Kypeli | spenap: Thanks | 17:20 |
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| spenap | Kypeli, if you check the PageStack element in http://library.developer.nokia.com/, you'll find that pop has this signature: PageStack::pop ( page, immediate ) -> Pops a page off the stack. If the page is specified then the stack is unwound to that page; null to unwind the to first page. If the immediate argument is true then no transition animation is performed. Returns the page instance that was popped off the stack. | 17:21 |
| spenap | there's also a PageStack::replace ( page, properties, immediate ) method | 17:21 |
| spenap | hope that helps | 17:21 |
| Kypeli | spenap: Thaks! I'll look into that. | 17:22 |
| spenap | :), np | 17:22 |
| alterego | TheBootroo: part of the reason I wanted to have gst-tools package. | 17:22 |
| alterego | I might have to build it myself .. | 17:22 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: ok | 17:22 |
| TheBootroo | alterego: tell me when you finished ;-) | 17:23 |
| alterego | Well, that's if I get around to it ;) | 17:24 |
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| Kypeli | spenap: Thanks for the tip, that solved the issue! | 17:40 |
| spenap | great :) | 17:40 |
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| Kypeli | spenap: Although it due seems like a kludge and popping twice not working seems like a bug... | 17:40 |
| Kypeli | popping twice not working - I mean :) | 17:40 |
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| spenap | then, maybe you could file a bug: if from the docs you feel like it's not following the expected behaviour, it's a bug either in the docs or in the behaviour :D | 17:42 |
| Kypeli | True :) | 17:42 |
| Kypeli | I might wait for the final release first... | 17:42 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hmm, my irc client is taking shape | 17:46 |
| Venemo_N950 | it won't be long until it becomes actually usable | 17:46 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I had a vision | 18:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'll show it in 10 minutes :) | 18:02 |
| rm_work | great prophet wazd? :P | 18:03 |
| wazd | rm_you: sorta :D | 18:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: ? =) | 18:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: lemme guess, each of the ti model icon is gonna be a HelloKitty face? | 18:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn! You had it too! | 18:07 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hm, could anyone help me please? | 18:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | I need someone to send me a private message, so that I can see how my irc client reacts | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | Venemo_N950, feel free | 18:16 |
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| * Jaffa mutters about http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/nokia-the-n9-isnt-coming-to-america/ (and UK) and the hopeful way he'd been defending the lack of availability on nokia.com | 18:16 | |
| Venemo_N950 | spenap, thanks | 18:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | spenap, did you get my answer? | 18:16 |
| spenap | Venemo_N950, yes | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: I just saw that :( | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | Venemo_N950, is this N950 nick registered with nickserv? | 18:19 |
| vladest | Jaffa: US citizens will enjoy with brilliant wp7 :> | 18:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | interestingly enough, I send the private message reply as plain Message, not PRIVMSG or NOTICE | 18:20 |
| Venemo_N950 | but it's good that you still get it | 18:21 |
| qgil | hi, anybody with an N950 / N9 willing to give feedback about my not-so-so-dummy Miniature chess UI package? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12315#c12 | 18:22 |
| povbot | Bug 12315: Placeholder to upload Miniature UI source and packages | 18:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12315 nor, Medium, ---, alexey.kuznetsov, RELE FIXED, libmeegochat should be ported to telepathy-qt4 0.5.x | 18:22 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://i057.radikal.ru/1108/3b/7912b1a424ef.png ? | 18:27 |
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| * mgedmin is, sadly, without a working N950 at the moment | 18:27 | |
| * mgedmin wonders if qgil received his email | 18:27 | |
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| qgil | mgedmin: yes I did and actually my planned answer was 'check the email that was written down in the ACCEPTED email you got, since N950 device related problems are handled by Nokia Developer directly' | 18:30 |
| qgil | mgedmin: does this serve as an answer? :) | 18:31 |
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| mgedmin | qgil, do you mean the "If there are problems with the process please contact Nokia.Developer.Launchpad@nokia.com" bit? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | I wasn't sure if problems with the *device* counted as problems with the process | 18:32 |
| qgil | mgedmin: yep | 18:32 |
| qgil | mgedmin: fair enough, now you know :) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | thanks, I'll get out of your hair now :) | 18:33 |
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| lardman | what's the deal with QSettings application settings, are they backed up automatically, or do I need to extract them, write to file and back that up? | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: You parted here and the private msg | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | (I have part messages turned off so I had to check the user list) | 18:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, ok :) | 18:35 |
| fiferboy | lardman: How are you using QSettings? ini file? I can't remember what the Linux default is | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Still exhibiting bad blocks? | 18:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | something screwed up the autocompletion... :( | 18:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, could you privmsg me again? | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil, http://pastie.org/2345447 | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: :/ | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | now it won't boot at all | 18:38 |
| lardman | fiferboy: seems it is a conf file http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/qsettings.html#platform-specific-notes | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | lardman: I usually specify a location and ini format, but I think a conf file will go to .config | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | And then whatever you registered your app name is | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Interesting - so the flasher program apparantly boots it into an image | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | interesting how the flasher fails at an earlier point after each attempt | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | could it have run out of spare blocks for write leveling? | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | I don't quite see how that would be possible... | 18:41 |
| thp | mgedmin: still no luck with the reflash? | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | maybe fbreader forces an sqlite fsync() every 30 seconds, and that causes a write? but I only read 4 books during the last couple of weeks | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | thp, http://pastie.org/2345447 | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | love the "unsuccess" message flasher gives | 18:42 |
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| thp | mgedmin: did you try cold flashing? for this, you have to extract the flasher out of the single-click flasher package | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I don't even know what cold flashing is | 18:45 |
| thp | me neither. but sometimes it has been suggested to me that a cold flash could help | 18:46 |
| thp | it's described in flasher's help | 18:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: yes, that sort of thing can be caused by running out of spare blocks. | 18:46 |
| thp | (compared to previous flashers, the harmattan flasher has really informative help texts) | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: This can be due to actual hardware faults - for example cracks even. | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil, hmm! | 18:47 |
| rm_work | qgil: i can try the chess thing when i get home, internet/3G signal is no bueno in the office :( | 18:47 |
| kimju | mgedmin, did you already contact nokia about that? | 18:48 |
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| mgedmin | I sent an email to qgil, and then re-sent it to Nokia.Developer.Launchpad@nokia.com just now | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: Unfortunately, there is no nice way for the MMC to signal 'I am broken' in a graceful way - it just gives block errors - that may move round the disk. | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 18:49 |
| lardman | fiferboy: yep, so looks like I need to back it up myself then | 18:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, have you received "i added the option to query a user" in a query? | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | I've noticed it had trouble rebooting pretty early on, but then it used to come up nicely after that 'device malfunctioning' screen, and things worked | 18:50 |
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| mgedmin | for a couple of weeks | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yes, I haven't looked at the backup process for Harmattan yet | 18:50 |
| lardman | can't back up a dir any more, has to be a file | 18:51 |
| lardman | so you need a backup (and restore)s script to generate e.g. a tar file | 18:51 |
| lardman | not too bad, but docs could do with some examples | 18:51 |
| rm_work | Jaffa / fiferboy / GAN900 : WUT | 18:52 |
| rm_work | Jaffa / fiferboy / GAN900 : ^^^ n9 not in the US | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: Looks that way :( | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, lol. | 18:53 |
| rm_work | what | 18:53 |
| rm_work | the | 18:53 |
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| GAN900 | The world is going down in flames. | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | Welcome to the New World Order. :P | 18:54 |
| rm_work | this is just retarded | 18:55 |
| rm_work | i've been trying to stay upbeat and keep morale up around here for a while | 18:55 |
| rm_work | but this just fucking takes the cake | 18:55 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: It is hardly surprising - North America doesn't get the top end Nokias | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | Idiocy everywhere. | 18:58 |
| rm_work | >_> | 18:59 |
| rm_work | is this because americans are morons? | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: The UK does, though | 18:59 |
| rm_work | i mean, i'm not arguing it :P | 18:59 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Yes, that is a bit more unexplainable | 18:59 |
| rm_work | americans as a whole totally are retarded | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | Elop is N. American. Point proven ;-) | 19:00 |
| rm_work | OH SHIT | 19:00 |
| rm_work | Elop is from the US? | 19:00 |
| rm_work | can we disown him somehow? | 19:00 |
| rm_work | whats the term for that | 19:00 |
| * fiferboy forgets Elop is from his home town >_> | 19:00 | |
| rm_work | O_o | 19:01 |
| rm_work | if you ever manage to use a time machine... go back and punch him in the face for me plzkthx | 19:01 |
| rm_work | god damnit. | 19:02 |
| rm_work | any sort of marketing whatsoever maybe? no? | 19:02 |
| rm_work | i guess they had those 9 second clips or whatever | 19:02 |
| rm_work | <_< | 19:02 |
| rm_work | cause that was such a pinnacle of marketing genious | 19:02 |
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| rm_work | i'm sure all 10 people who actually heard they existed were really swayed by their 9 seconds of wtf | 19:03 |
| frals | elop is canadian, not usa | 19:05 |
| rm_work | whew, close call | 19:06 |
| hiemanshu | well everything from canada is stupid either ways | 19:06 |
| alterego | Might as well be American | 19:06 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 19:06 | |
| rm_work | yeah, canada is basically the US anyway :P | 19:07 |
| * rm_work also runs | 19:07 | |
| fiferboy | You guys better watch out >:-( | 19:07 |
| GAN900 | alterego, not hardly. | 19:07 |
| alterego | It's like the pretty sane part of the US | 19:07 |
| rm_work | what, the mounties will come get us? :P | 19:08 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: I am in India, you cannot track me even I told you exactly where I lived | 19:08 |
| fiferboy | Mounties always get their man! | 19:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:08 |
| rm_work | :P | 19:08 |
| rm_work | man, but seriously, this is STUPID | 19:08 |
| rm_work | not even releasing the phone in the US... | 19:09 |
| rm_work | why do i even try | 19:09 |
| rm_work | i may as well just go buy an android | 19:09 |
| hiemanshu | or an iPhone | 19:09 |
| rm_work | may i can pick up android SDK | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: No! | 19:09 |
| rm_work | *maybe | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: Trust me, the Android SDK is not that exciting | 19:09 |
| rm_work | fiferboy: i suppose it doesn't matter for me anyway, i have n950 until they pry it from my cold, dead hands :P | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: There you go - if you think only about yourself everything is fine :D | 19:10 |
| rm_work | since i didn't really want the n9 anyway, just the n950 :P | 19:10 |
| rm_work | but it's depressing | 19:10 |
| rm_work | since no one is going to HAVE the phone for me to write apps for <_< | 19:10 |
| hiemanshu | meh, its fun being selfish | 19:10 |
| hiemanshu | rm_work: write apps for what you'll use yourself | 19:10 |
| fiferboy | I think Jaffa has it way worse: he was right to expect it would be available in the UK | 19:10 |
| rm_work | i was hoping maybe for once i could write apps and people i meet in the US might ACTUALLY have heard of the phone i work on | 19:11 |
| rm_work | T_T | 19:11 |
| hiemanshu | they are launching it in India though | 19:11 |
| rm_work | did they confirm it isn't launching in the UK? | 19:11 |
| rm_work | was this some sort of microsoft contract thing? can't compete in the major english speaking markets? | 19:12 |
| alterego | It'll come to the UK, I'm sure. | 19:12 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: To about the same level as they confirm it won't be in the states | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, saw a guy with an N900 yesterday | 19:13 |
| rm_work | GAN900: lolwut | 19:14 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: :-O | 19:14 |
| rm_work | that just... doesn't happen | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | I know about 10 people with N900s | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | as in met em | 19:14 |
| rm_work | i've only ever seen 3 other people in the US with an N900 | 19:14 |
| rm_work | one of them is a friend that bought it based on my recommendation | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | I have seen people with a N900 in 2009 | 19:14 |
| fiferboy | I've NEVER seen one in the wild in Cananda | 19:14 |
| hiemanshu | Nokia/Maemo had a stall at a FOSS event | 19:14 |
| rm_work | one of them is a friend that got it the same time as me, when they gave them out at the summit | 19:15 |
| fiferboy | Of course, Canadian wilds are pretty vast.. | 19:15 |
| hiemanshu | rm_work: no devs? | 19:15 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: meh canada | 19:15 |
| rm_work | and one of them i met at TX LinuxFest, who apparently also got it at the summit | 19:15 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 19:15 | |
| * hiemanshu wonders if rm_work has me on ignore or something | 19:15 | |
| rm_work | was finishing typing those out :P | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 19:16 |
| rm_work | i only put trolls on /ignore :P | 19:16 |
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| rm_work | no devs really | 19:16 |
| rm_work | just me | 19:16 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: I'm about to put you on ignore :P | 19:16 |
| rm_work | but that's good | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: hah | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | rm_work: I know a few maemo/meego devs that I met who have an N900 from as long as I know em | 19:16 |
| rm_work | there's a difference between trolling and poking fun in good faith :P | 19:16 |
| hiemanshu | and a few I know who even have a N950 | 19:17 |
| rm_work | hiemanshu: i don't know any other maemo/meego devs IRL that i didn't first meet at a maemo event | 19:17 |
| rm_work | i may have the only N950 in Texas, besides if Texrat has one | 19:17 |
| rm_work | guessing GAN900 has the only one in Florida | 19:18 |
| rm_work | there's probably... what, 10 in the US? | 19:18 |
| fiferboy | qole probably has the only one in BC | 19:18 |
| fiferboy | But I know of at least three others in Ontario | 19:18 |
| rm_work | wait, where are you? | 19:18 |
| rm_work | ack | 19:19 |
| rm_work | oh nm that's ok | 19:19 |
| rm_work | was afraid you were in Montreal | 19:19 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: Only if it is against my will, and not in at least 8 years :) | 19:19 |
| rm_work | yeah, that place should be cordoned off | 19:19 |
| rm_work | and big warning signs placed around it | 19:20 |
| rm_work | DANGER: FRENCH CANADIANS | 19:20 |
| rm_work | EXTREME DANGER ALERT | 19:20 |
| rm_work | Continue at your own peril! | 19:20 |
| hiemanshu | rm_work: every flight to .ca should be cancelled, Reason: For you own good, who wants to go there anyways | 19:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 19:21 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: You said you work with some Montreal guys? | 19:21 |
| rm_work | BC is nice :P | 19:21 |
| * hiemanshu runs avoiding bumping into fiferboy | 19:21 | |
| rm_work | fiferboy: true | 19:21 |
| rm_work | and i have to go through all kinds of BS because they passed laws that REQUIRE all user interfaces for computer software be made available in both english AND french | 19:22 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: Don't worry, in Ontario there are 14 people per km^2, you won't bump into me :) | 19:23 |
| rm_work | so for our company of 25,000 employees, of whom 24400 speak english, i have to translate everything I do >_< | 19:23 |
| hiemanshu | rm_work: if I could have my way, I would replace everything with icons, and send write a legend instead | 19:23 |
| rm_work | into french | 19:23 |
| rm_work | it's just a PITA | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: well yeah, India is really really populated, so you would bump info half a million people before bumping into me | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | Two different worlds | 19:24 |
| rm_work | about 75% of the people that work in the IS dept here are indian | 19:24 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, Indians are taking over! | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: How do you go about translating? | 19:24 |
| rm_work | fiferboy: we have a guy who defected from french canada like 10 years back | 19:25 |
| rm_work | he does initial translations, and then we pass them over to *them* for QA | 19:26 |
| rm_work | that or I pass it through google translate and call it good :P | 19:26 |
| fiferboy | hiemanshu: Canada pop density: 3.731; India pop density: 368 | 19:27 |
| rm_work | lol | 19:27 |
| fiferboy | Google translate should be good enough for anyone | 19:27 |
| rm_work | we've got like 3 Subramanian's working here | 19:27 |
| rm_work | still trying to figure out how to pronounce that right | 19:28 |
| hiemanshu | fiferboy: yup, just like I said | 19:29 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, one of three I know of. | 19:31 |
| fiferboy | 7 of the top 10 most densly populated citys in the world are in india | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | The two others were purchased on my recommendation. | 19:31 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, how is that even remotely the government's business? . . . . | 19:32 |
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| rm_work | GAN900: was referring to N950, with you being the only one in Florida | 19:33 |
| rm_work | and yeah, they're being dicks about "we speak french, LISTEN TO US DAMNIT WE SPEAK FRENCH" like whiny little babies | 19:33 |
| rm_work | all the french canadians i've talked to sound like they have a stick up their ass | 19:34 |
| rm_work | and they work 34 hour weeks | 19:34 |
| rm_work | and we'll be in the middle of a crazy launch working 11 hour days and they're like "sorry, we're going home, good luck with your deadline. what's that? you need translations done to comply with our province's laws? well, it'll have to be done on monday, have a good working weekend!" | 19:35 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: Lucky I'm not French Canadian | 19:35 |
| rm_work | yeah :P | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, oh, I'm surel | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | I hate hour-limited work week laws. | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | Damn statist bastards should all go die. | 19:37 |
| rm_work | i can't believe that the only racism i really subscribe to ends up being against French Canadians >_> | 19:37 |
| rm_work | wtf is that about | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, well, you wouldn't be here if you were. :P | 19:37 |
| rm_work | who's racist against french canadians >_> | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | rm_work, it's not racism. | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | It's tribalism. | 19:37 |
| rm_work | lol | 19:37 |
| rm_work | k | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | Seriously. | 19:37 |
| rm_work | good differentiation i guess :P | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | It's not their genetic heritage you're worried about | 19:37 |
| rm_work | i guess it's Culturism | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | it's cultural and political heritage. | 19:37 |
| rm_work | also i don't like people who are dicks | 19:38 |
| rm_work | and they're a whole city of dicks | 19:38 |
| rm_work | ask anyone who has been there and doesn't speak french | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | The vast majority of things people play the race card on these days are actually tribalist. | 19:38 |
| rm_work | anyway | 19:38 |
| rm_work | bbl, lunch | 19:38 |
| fiferboy | rm_work: I worked with a guy in Toronto who was straight out of Quebec - he was the nicest guy o_O | 19:38 |
| * rm_work lunches | 19:38 | |
| fiferboy | It was weird | 19:39 |
| rm_work | maybe our company's office in quebec just hires dicks? >_> but no, because everyone i talk to who has vacationed there said they got treated like complete shit as tourists | 19:39 |
| rm_work | maybe they just don't like tourists? or programmers? | 19:40 |
| rm_work | >_> | 19:40 |
| * rm_work really goes to lunch | 19:40 | |
| fiferboy | That could be | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | lol | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | Come to Florida! | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | We like our tourists. :P | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: I head some of the bookstore clerks can be sarcastic to Candian Tourists :-O | 19:41 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hey | 19:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, sorry, I had no time to push, had to leave cuse my train leaves shortly | 19:52 |
| rcg | hey Venemo_N950: looks like you're making progress :) | 19:52 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: NP | 19:54 |
| alterego | Shame we don't even have a qml viewer package. | 19:55 |
| hardaker2 | rm_work: I just spent a week in Quebec for work (as a programmer). I had no one treat me poorly. Everyone was quite nice... But I was inside *way* too much. | 19:55 |
| hardaker2 | that was quebec city though, which is tourist central and thus they probably have to cater to tourists. | 19:56 |
| Venemo_N950 | rcg, yeah, I am :) | 19:57 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, it still segfaults when I try to close a query though | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | but at least it now wraps longer lines | 19:58 |
| fiferboy | Nice | 20:00 |
| fiferboy | Sounds like good progress | 20:00 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Doesn't segfault when you part a chan? | 20:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, nope | 20:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, very curious, isn't it | 20:01 |
| fiferboy | INdeed | 20:02 |
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| Venemo_N950 | my guess would be that it's something obvious that I didn't notice | 20:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | hm | 20:02 |
| Jaffa | rm_work: alterego: CPW have said no to N9 in UK, but they could be referring to direct from them off-contract (not that they sell many phones like that) | 20:03 |
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| Venemo_N950 | hm, it kinda works with portrait vkb | 20:05 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: lame, well, I guess we'll see. | 20:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | but landscape vkb covers too much of the gui for it to be actually usable | 20:13 |
| alterego | I'll just have to get one imported :/ | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N950 | alterego :( | 20:15 |
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| Venemo_N950 | I will also have to implement some way to handle random disconnects | 20:27 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, since you're good with qml, can I ask your opinion about something? | 20:32 |
| hardaker2 | who's in charge of libssl? rzr? | 20:33 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Sure | 20:34 |
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| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, which approach is better? having a listmodel containing the irc messages and switching the model once the user switches channels | 20:36 |
| Venemo_N950 | or | 20:36 |
| Venemo_N950 | having a signal for the messages and listening to that signal from qml | 20:37 |
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| Venemo_N950 | and then adding the messages to a TextArea | 20:37 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Hmm | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N950, you mean one listmodel per channel? | 20:38 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: I like to have models handle my data for me | 20:38 |
| alterego | Me too .. | 20:39 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: But you could also consider a single model for all channel messages and filter it based on the current channel | 20:39 |
| alterego | I'd switch out the model on changing channel, though it depends on what kind of effect you want to have when transitioning between channels. | 20:39 |
| alterego | That'd work. | 20:39 |
| * hardaker2 misses table models | 20:39 | |
| hardaker2 | or even: x: max(all-other-element-widths) | 20:40 |
| * lcuk misses supermodels | 20:40 | |
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| RST38h | Gentlemen, could someone help me with QMainWindows? | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Can I have more than one in my app? | 20:42 |
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| hardaker2 | RST38h: should be able to, assuming you want multiple windows. | 20:43 |
| hardaker2 | but I'm guessing. | 20:43 |
| RST38h | I am getting double window decorations =( | 20:43 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: I _think_ you can, but IIRC there may be some handling issues | 20:43 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: You are only showing one window at a time? | 20:44 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: yep | 20:45 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: I am getting double decorations and noQMLtoolbar in my second window | 20:46 |
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| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, sorry, I went through an are which according to my N950 had no coverage | 20:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | so, option 1. having a list model in c++ and a repeater in qml, option 2. having a signal in c++ and listening to that in qml, option 3. having a string property in c++ and binding to that in qml | 20:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, in your opinion, which one is better? | 20:51 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: I like listmodel + repeater | 20:58 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Although in stead of a textarea you could have a listview with a delegate to display message information | 20:58 |
| Venemo_N950 | well, I'm not using a textarea | 21:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | you can see how I do it now in gitorious | 21:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | problem with listmodel+repeater is that I can't make it selectable | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: If the list view uses a Text {} element in the delegate, you can't make that selectable? | 21:02 |
| fiferboy | Also, I'm not sure why you need a repeated with a model/listview setup | 21:02 |
| fiferboy | s/repeated/repeater | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | nope | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | Text element is not selectable | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | even if it were, I'd have no way to have multiline selections | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, I use repeater instead of a listview. | 21:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | I use a QObjectListModel<MessageModel> and use that as a model for a repeater | 21:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | but this approach has no way of selecting text | 21:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Ah, I see your issue | 21:06 |
| fiferboy | Text selection doesn't come into play with the models I use | 21:06 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, so what do you recommend? | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: You could use the listview highlight and hightlight range to select and copy that way | 21:09 |
| fiferboy | But then you couldn't do partial lines... | 21:09 |
| Venemo_N950 | hehe | 21:10 |
| Tronic | Has N950 been available to USA/UK? | 21:10 |
| Tronic | (re: N9 not being released there) | 21:10 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, this is why I proposed to simply have one QString property and bind that out to a TextArea | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: Yeah, for your purposes that might be easiest | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | How are you doing it now? | 21:12 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, as I said. | 21:16 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, QObjectListModel<MessageModel> displayed in a repeater | 21:16 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: And are there issues with this way? | 21:17 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, yes, the inability to select text | 21:17 |
| dm8tbr | hey, quick question. could someone do an 'ls -lR / >/ls.txt' on the normal dev firmware and upload that? | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: D'oh, I have been misunderstanding the problem this who time | 21:18 |
| dm8tbr | I don't have access to a device with that firmware right now | 21:18 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, how did you understand it? | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: So listview won't help you out, and that leaves a textarea | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | Venemo_N950: I thought you had text selection working in your current method but needed something else from it | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | And didn't want to switch to a none text-selecting method | 21:19 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, nope. I have a method which disallows me to select text and I wanna switch to one that allows it | 21:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | fiferboy, what I wanted to know was if there is a saner way you can think of | 21:21 |
| Venemo_N950 | after all, this is a bit ugly | 21:22 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: hey | 21:24 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: it works | 21:24 |
| hiemanshu | ? | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, yes, more or less | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: ah nice, have you pushed the code? | 21:25 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, hardcoded to freenode for the time being | 21:25 |
| hiemanshu | yeah you told me taht | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | that* | 21:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, I haven't had the time to push it... else I would have been late for my train | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | hah ok | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | well, do it when you get home, I'll start fixing the stuff | 21:26 |
| Venemo_N950 | really? that's nice of you :) | 21:26 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, I need to add multiple server support before I can start using it :P | 21:27 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: did you even hardcode the channel? | 21:28 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, nope | 21:32 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: so /j #channel works? | 21:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, it won't be hard to implement any of that, I just haven't had the time yet | 21:33 |
| hiemanshu | ah ok | 21:33 |
| hiemanshu | well, push the code when you can, I'll probably have time once I get home from work tomrrow | 21:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | hiemanshu, nope. /commands don't work yet. but I have a join buton | 21:33 |
| Venemo_N950 | all right | 21:34 |
| Venemo_N950 | that is kind of you hiemanshu | 21:34 |
| hiemanshu | I have been so busy with work and GSoC and moving houses right now | 21:34 |
| hiemanshu | wish I had more time to fix stuff | 21:35 |
| Venemo_N950 | no problem, I have similar problems | 21:35 |
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| wazd | RST38h: ping? | 21:44 |
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| wazd | meh :( | 21:46 |
| wazd | All then: http://s001.radikal.ru/i193/1108/86/32653ac09268.png :) Any opinions? | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | 503 | 21:47 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: refresh please :) | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | you have a calculator inside your calculator to calculate while you calculate? | 21:49 |
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| mgoetz | is there any magic way to speed up the harmattan QEMU from the Qt SDK? I'm using OS X | 21:51 |
| mgoetz | i expected it to be slow.. but not 1-sec-delay-when-flicking-QML-listview-with-mouse :( | 21:51 |
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| * npm wonders whether anthony weiner's photos are among the "top 5 masterful molome photographs" | 21:57 | |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: exactly dawg! :D | 22:01 |
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| Ilosanoma | Anyone know what's the canonical way to show the section headers in ListView? So that it's shown in platform's style. I didn't see anything helpful in Harmattan Qt Components nor UiConstants. The bundled examples didn't have anything either. | 22:40 |
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| fiferboy | Ilosanoma: You mean to have the section heading styled properly? | 22:41 |
| fiferboy | I haven't seen anything on that either | 22:41 |
| Ilosanoma | fiferboy: yeah, that's what I mean | 22:41 |
| Ilosanoma | I guess there's at least that line thingy as image lurking somewhere in the themes | 22:42 |
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| fiferboy | Yeah, if you can figure out what it is called :/ | 22:44 |
| Ilosanoma | Right, I'm trying to find it from the SDK's sysroot at the moment | 22:45 |
| javispedro | aegis partially broken | 22:45 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1066794#post1066794 | 22:45 |
| fiferboy | meegotouch-view-header apparently | 22:45 |
| fiferboy | Although there are (like everything) lots of variants | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | Oh, no that is the page (view) header, not the list header section, sorry! | 22:46 |
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| fiferboy | meegotouch-list-header-background looks like what you want | 22:46 |
| Ilosanoma | fiferboy: thanks! I didn't find that one in SDK's sysroot, I guess it's not there only in the proper theme on the device | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | I'll let you know if it looks right :) | 22:49 |
| Ilosanoma | ah good, it has inverted variant also | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | Scratch that: let me know if it looks right :) | 22:54 |
| Ilosanoma | I will, as soon as I've read enough about QML again to know how to display it (QML newbie) | 22:55 |
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| Venemo_N950 | good evening | 23:01 |
| Ilosanoma | Evening Venemo | 23:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | what's up? | 23:02 |
| Ilosanoma | They say Aegis has been broken, and in lesser problems we're just trying to figure out how to show listView's section headers in platform style | 23:03 |
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| kimju | broken in what sense? | 23:07 |
| Ilosanoma | fiferboy: meegotouch-groupheader-background seems to be the correct one | 23:07 |
| Ilosanoma | kimju: I don't know, this stuff flies straight over my head. See the link javispedro posted. | 23:09 |
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| Venemo_N950 | all these channels are so quiet that I was afraid that it disconnected me again | 23:15 |
| Ilosanoma | Well, it did. | 23:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | kimju: Can be turned off. | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | From userspace | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Letting you do arbitrary stuff. | 23:29 |
| kimju | details, please? :) | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume it's being written up now. | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't have details. | 23:30 |
| Ilosanoma | Yeah, tjat | 23:31 |
| Ilosanoma | that's good thing. Nokia has then time to fix it before N9 release o/ | 23:31 |
| fiferboy | Ilosanoma: Good to know, thank! | 23:35 |
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| Ilosanoma | I'd like to know if there's anything more cursed among developers than Aegis. And even more, I'd like to read a paper which specific threats it aims to protect from and with what solutions. So far I have just a very vague idea about the whole system. | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | The basic idea of aegis being a good thing - or some similar framework emerged back around a couple of years ago now. | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It was at a time when Maemo was going to be the way forward, and it was going to power hundreds of millions of phones across dozens of products. | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Against this background, it was felt that it was worthwhile implementing a usable security system, to enable - for example - hulu clients, or ... that vendors might require IP security. | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | As a side-effect, it also means that the phones can in principle if they choose to go that way be sold so you can only get approved apps to run, and only through the app-store. | 23:41 |
| ieatlint | and the fact that there is more malware for symbian than any other smartphone system and nokia wanted to try and prevent that | 23:41 |
| Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: Do I understand correctly, that Aegis is shackles imposed upon users by content providers? | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Debatably at this point. | 23:42 |
| kimju | I actually like few features of aegis. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I question if any vendors are actually going to be put off the n9 platform by that. | 23:42 |
| kimju | it is just that I can't completely override it when *I* want to do so. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | That aren't put off by the low effort Nokia's puttinginto launch. | 23:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | (the above is largely speculation on motives, but based on what has come out of nokia in terms of presentations and ... | 23:43 |
| Ilosanoma | That leaves even worse smell of Aegis into my nose than before. I thought it was to preserve the system's integrity against malicious programs etc. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: It's not really one or the other, it's both. | 23:43 |
| ieatlint | the fact that the sdk lacks any aegis integration is what irks me | 23:43 |
| ieatlint | symbian was the same... it should have a UI to do the manifest files, and the ability to detect which capabilities you need | 23:44 |
| Ilosanoma | SpeedEvil: hopefully so... though I'm yet to be convinced it can protect against malware. As far as I've understood, you pack up a .deb and it's approved by Aegis to be run. But I don't know about the system enough. | 23:44 |
| kimju | Ilosanoma, it protects against software from unknown origins. it also provides secured storage for sensitive data. it can prevent malicious programs (even after installing) from doing some bad things.. | 23:45 |
| kimju | it is definedly not only a bad thing. | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: Sure - in its present config. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Ilosanoma: However, it doesn't have to be setup to allow packages signe by you to run. | 23:46 |
| ieatlint | aegis is a security system, and like all security systems it creates inconvenience | 23:48 |
| ieatlint | the only question is whether the inconvenience is worse than the security problems it fixes | 23:49 |
| ieatlint | and that's debatable :P | 23:49 |
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