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| lardman | lcuk: sorry for the slow reply, no, normally nothing or at most the phone or messages app running | 01:18 |
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| lardman | I need to do some more scientific investigation at some point | 01:19 |
| lardman | night all | 01:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, N64?! | 02:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: well, you expected Wii U? :) | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm impressed. | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | "They do not have the resource at this time to provide a statement giving their reasons. We can not assess what other services may be impacted in the future." | 02:42 |
| javispedro | it was already on n900, but with the new specs (and specially new driver) seems that some games might enter playability realm. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's really frightening on a number of levels. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, isn't the driver in the newer firmwares even better? | 02:42 |
| javispedro | no idea, I would be surprised | 02:43 |
| javispedro | it's good --- no sgx540, but good. | 02:48 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, of course no keyboard won't help a lot on the N9 :P | 02:55 |
| javispedro | I am surprised at two things | 02:56 |
| javispedro | A) That people are surprised of that video.... considering there was no real work behind it :) | 02:56 |
| javispedro | B) That they ignore my hard work to get Multitouch support in SDL, which I've obviously done for a reason ;) | 02:57 |
| javispedro | ah, the press :) | 02:57 |
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| javispedro | (well, MWKN did run the SDL story ! ) | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, well, is there a flashy video for the multitouch support? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it include Mario? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't Palm use SDL for games? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | nothing more flashy than lcuk's boobies test =) | 03:12 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: aha, you discovered my master plan, which is to steal the code for an overlaid joystick from any palm homebrew game =) | 03:15 |
| javispedro | s/overlaid/onscreen | 03:15 |
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| Termana | morning | 05:05 |
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| Termana | Called up DHL. Annoying. My N950 has only been 25km away from me and I still have to wait for it. They've opened up a "trace" with the third party since they were meant to have it to me by the 2nd of August | 05:24 |
| * SpeedEvil is still awaiting ship notification of any sort | 05:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | On the forumnokia order page - does the state go from 'new order' to 'shipped' or something? | 05:27 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 06:09 |
| GAN900 | Eventually. | 06:09 |
| GAN900 | Took a week for most of us. | 06:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Kinda expected. | 06:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks | 06:12 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, took 3 weeks, qgil had to get involved for me | 06:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Not stressing over it yet. | 06:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'll leave it till at least tuesday before I'm refreshing the page every 5 min. | 06:37 |
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| hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: your launchpad has been approvedd? | 06:51 |
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| hiemanshu | oh, already ordered, nice | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 06:52 |
| Termana | DHL called me back. DHL girl was flirting with me... anyway, I know where it is now and someone is going to pick it up for me so I'll have it in a few or so hours hopefully | 06:52 |
| MohammadAG | DHL girls flirt? nice | 06:53 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: anyone desperate flirts, even the girls who drop off pizza at your place | 06:54 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, I should have asked for her number... oh wait maybe I guess I already have it... :p | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, hmm, it's only guys in IL | 06:54 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 06:54 |
| Termana | lol | 06:55 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, it's the guys you have to watch out for | 06:55 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, only in AU :P | 06:55 |
| Termana | heh :p | 06:55 |
| MohammadAG | 7 AM | 06:56 |
| MohammadAG | have to sleep, don't want to/feel like it | 06:57 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah, I have flirted with so many counter girls or waitress, its fun for a while, but its meh | 06:57 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, doesn't work well in IL unless you're sexually confused | 06:57 |
| hiemanshu | eventually its like, meh, just pick up the sstuff and leave | 06:58 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, aren't you suppose to sleep at night? | 06:58 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah, yeah I can understand with all the religious laws | 06:58 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: sleeping at the exact time is for the weak | 06:58 |
| Termana | Isn't that what people normally do when they do this thing called "sleep" | 06:58 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, thinking like that is why your boss pushes you around and makes you stay up late to get things done by deadlines | 06:59 |
| Termana | :p | 06:59 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no, I meant it's all guys so unless you're ga... nevermind | 06:59 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: I am my own boss, so MEH | 06:59 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah, makes sense | 06:59 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, yeah | 07:00 |
| MohammadAG | you're "supposed" to | 07:00 |
| MohammadAG | you might do something else at night too | 07:00 |
| Termana | But your much cooler than "supposed to" aren't you MohammadAG? | 07:00 |
| Termana | :p | 07:00 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, yeah, I've heard something about that. A lot of noise involved though. | 07:01 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, depends what you're doing | 07:01 |
| Termana | I was talking about turning the TV up to it's full volume and playing vidya games what were you talking about? | 07:01 |
| Termana | :p | 07:01 |
| MohammadAG | o_o | 07:02 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: something that you might have never done before? | 07:04 |
| * hiemanshu runs | 07:04 | |
| Termana | hiemanshu, my innocent mind has no clue what you're talking about... :p | 07:12 |
| hiemanshu | that explains a lot | 07:13 |
| Termana | nasty... :p | 07:14 |
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| alterego | Goat moaning | 08:40 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube_1_11_1_armel.deb | 09:09 |
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| antman8969 | looking good npm | 09:40 |
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| djszapi | It seems to be a red one until the reboot | 10:32 |
| djszapi | How can I get the icons working on the application grid right after the installation ? | 10:32 |
| djszapi | I guess there is some icon update command or so. | 10:32 |
| djszapi | That I should run from my debian postinstall script. | 10:32 |
| rcg | nope | 10:33 |
| rcg | afaik the installer takes care of this | 10:33 |
| djszapi | there is some bug then | 10:33 |
| djszapi | I do remember seeing debian post install scripts running some icon update command on desktop if the packages comes with icons. | 10:34 |
| rcg | at least for all my packages i installed either via apt-get or directly via dpkg the debian utils ran some post install stuff which update the menu etc. | 10:34 |
| djszapi | ohh, so they automated it. | 10:34 |
| djszapi | I do not know then. | 10:34 |
| rcg | well.. even on the fremantle that update script was changed to a noop at some time ;) | 10:35 |
| rcg | at least thats my last information ;) | 10:35 |
| djszapi | mmh, it is interesting then. | 10:35 |
| rcg | but for harmattan all this runs "out of the box".. you should see the corresponding output of the implicit "post install" stuff also on the command line when using apt-get or dpkg | 10:36 |
| djszapi | I do not see anything relevant | 10:37 |
| rcg | just a sec. | 10:37 |
| djszapi | ahh I was wrong, it writes: Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils... | 10:37 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/107389/ | 10:38 |
| rcg | yeah.. these are the lines i meant :) | 10:38 |
| djszapi | I do not know then, why I need to reboot. I could try out to run the command manually, and see whether it works that way. (I do not know which command to run though :) | 10:41 |
| rcg | yes.. thats indeed strange | 10:42 |
| rcg | i think i had some problems when my icon files were messed up.. | 10:43 |
| rcg | now i use .png icons, install these to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps and refer to the icon in the .desktop file via an absolute path: Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/meepasswords.png | 10:45 |
| rcg | i think i also had some issue where the .desktop file got somehow automatically rewritten during the deployment step when deploying via the sdk | 10:47 |
| rcg | so its best to double check that the content of your installed desktop file equals the content of your .desktop file in the sdk | 10:48 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:17 |
| wazd | lardman: woo :) | 11:17 |
| lardman | Qt daemon signal handling - do it all in main()? | 11:17 |
| lardman | hi wazd | 11:17 |
| lardman | where signal is things like hup and term | 11:17 |
| wazd | lardman: I know you're the right guy to ask: is it possible to make a web browser tweak so there will be an option for bookmark to be opened without navigation bar? | 11:18 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd, lardman | 11:19 | |
| lardman | wazd: I fear I'm not the right guy to ask :) No idea, sorry | 11:19 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 11:19 |
| RST38h | lardman: why not write and install proper C-based signalhandlers? | 11:19 |
| RST38h | these will not interfere with Qt | 11:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 11:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah that's what I'm going to do I think - all I need to is to produce an orderly shutdown of the photoanalyser daemon | 11:20 |
| wazd | lardman: aaaaw :( :) | 11:20 |
| * RST38h is going to add one for the timer, by the way, Qt timers not running at the requested frequency | 11:20 | |
| lardman | sorry :( | 11:20 |
| lardman | RST38h: slower? | 11:20 |
| RST38h | Looks like some troll busybody "optimized them" | 11:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: in my case, faster | 11:20 |
| lardman | oh really, interesting :) | 11:21 |
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| RST38h | lardman: but based on the discussion I overheard a while ago, they may run pretyt randomly | 11:21 |
| lardman | yeah, the docs say that they won't be fast, but may be slow afair | 11:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: because these guys now gather timers into groups "for efficiency", while allowing for jitter | 11:21 |
| RST38h | lardman: the correct way would be to let th edeveloper supply desired maximal jitter value, but I have not found this feature in Qt | 11:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah, but I guess the assumption is that the dev doesn't need very high accuracy and that they also don't want too much complexity | 11:23 |
| lardman | as you say, would be good to get access at a lower level, or at least some explanation of how it works without needing to dig through the Qt main source code | 11:23 |
| lardman | QExactTimer or somesuch perhaps? | 11:24 |
| djszapi | rcg: ahhhhh | 11:25 |
| djszapi | so you are using absolute path ? | 11:25 |
| rcg | yes | 11:25 |
| djszapi | mmm | 11:25 |
| rcg | don't ask me why.. though, i assume i had a good reason to do so ;) | 11:25 |
| djszapi | I am just using the icon name actually. | 11:25 |
| djszapi | I do not think absolute path is a good idea... | 11:25 |
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| rcg | well.. as said.. _usually_ i would have had a good reason to do this.. though, i am that busy at the moment that i hardly remeber what i did last monday | 11:27 |
| smoku | how do I add harmattan build target to COBS project? | 11:27 |
| djszapi | there is a link at the top of the add page | 11:28 |
| djszapi | and then choose armvel7 | 11:28 |
| smoku | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/add_repository_from_default_list?project=home%3Asmoku%3Aentertainment this page? | 11:29 |
| djszapi | pick one via advanced interface. | 11:29 |
| djszapi | What is the way of building tableview with a c++ model in QML ? The issue is that there is actually no tableview element | 11:30 |
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| smoku | djszapi: with advanced interface I can select MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project (autocompleted), but once I select it, the Repository list is empty | 11:31 |
| djszapi | no | 11:31 |
| smoku | (the edit field should change to the dropdown list, but it doesn't) | 11:31 |
| djszapi | not really, no | 11:32 |
| djszapi | you have an architectures selection | 11:32 |
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| Venemo | good morning guys :) | 11:33 |
| Venemo | hello djszapi | 11:33 |
| djszapi | smoku does it work ? | 11:34 |
| djszapi | Venemo hi | 11:34 |
| djszapi | about qt quick listview limitations: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/ | 11:34 |
| smoku | I do have an architectures selection | 11:34 |
| smoku | but the repository list is not there | 11:35 |
| smoku | see http://oi56.tinypic.com/vgkccw.jpg | 11:35 |
| * lardman follows http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/unix-signals.html | 11:35 | |
| djszapi | smoku: choose the architectures I said ? | 11:35 |
| smoku | so i clicked "Add repository" and got the message "Build targets were added successfully" and nothing, I still don't have harmattan in Repository Configuration screen | 11:37 |
| smoku | does anyone know what repositories are valid for MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project? maybe if I enter one manually it will work? | 11:38 |
| djszapi | I do not understand your problem | 11:38 |
| * lardman is happy to see that Debian packaging will automatically install init scripts, good | 11:39 | |
| djszapi | except that they are not valid.... | 11:39 |
| djszapi | since harmattan uses upstart... | 11:39 |
| djszapi | so it is a very bad thingy... | 11:39 |
| lardman | hmm | 11:39 |
| lardman | init.d is extant though | 11:39 |
| djszapi | harmattan uses upstart period | 11:39 |
| djszapi | use /etc/init/apps/ | 11:40 |
| djszapi | smoku: just add it seriously | 11:40 |
| djszapi | and you can start adding packages... | 11:40 |
| lardman | thanks djszapi | 11:40 |
| djszapi | do not complicate it over :) | 11:40 |
| * lardman does some Googling | 11:40 | |
| kimju | also, if writing upstart jobs, see thread at maemo-developers: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-August/028528.html | 11:41 |
| smoku | djszapi: OBS needs three things to configure a build repository: project to build for, repository in that project (usually 'standard') and a name for build repository (+ architectures to build for in the new repository) | 11:41 |
| djszapi | so what ? | 11:41 |
| lardman | djszapi: does dh_installinit handle this? | 11:41 |
| Venemo | ~seen rzr | 11:41 |
| infobot | rzr <~RzR@rzr.ww7.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 49m 13s ago, saying: 'as someone a backup of win7 ?'. | 11:41 |
| kimju | the messages from Tuomo Tanskanen contain needed info.. | 11:41 |
| djszapi | lardman: well, nope | 11:42 |
| smoku | djszapi: my problem is that it looks like there is a project 'MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan' configured on COBS, but it does not have any repositories configured | 11:42 |
| lardman | thanks kimju | 11:42 |
| djszapi | but I have one example package if you are interested in that... | 11:42 |
| djszapi | smoku: what ? | 11:42 |
| djszapi | smoku: sorry, I think you overcomplicate | 11:42 |
| lardman | djszapi: I just saw this and wondered if our version supported these options: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man1/dh_installinit.1.html | 11:42 |
| djszapi | fill out the input fields with data whatever you want. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | choose armv7el as I said. | 11:43 |
| djszapi | and be happy | 11:43 |
| djszapi | period | 11:43 |
| smoku | it does not work | 11:43 |
| djszapi | lardman: you also want to eliminate the old init script | 11:43 |
| smoku | it does not add a repo to my project | 11:43 |
| lardman | yeah I will do | 11:43 |
| djszapi | I have never seen anybody not working | 11:43 |
| smoku | maybe cobs is borked again :/ | 11:44 |
| djszapi | I do not think so | 11:44 |
| djszapi | seems a pebkac to me | 11:44 |
| smoku | could you verify that it works for you at this moment? | 11:44 |
| djszapi | I have just tried to add a new one on my two laptops in front of me, worked oob... | 11:44 |
| djszapi | It is a bit sad, we do not have proper TableView support in QtQuick 1.1 | 11:45 |
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| smoku | ok. it started filling the Repository field now with the name (It's MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard) and I could finally add a repo | 11:49 |
| smoku | thanks to whoever fixed it :) | 11:49 |
| Venemo | djszapi, so, you said that you'd use telepathy-idle. could you please tell me what advantages it has? | 11:51 |
| djszapi | smoku: you fixed it for yourself by doing well ? | 11:53 |
| djszapi | Venemo: nope sorry | 11:53 |
| djszapi | I am making video recording at the desktop summit | 11:53 |
| djszapi | kinda busy :) | 11:54 |
| lardman | is the aegis-exec stuff required in a 3rd party upstart script? | 11:54 |
| djszapi | depends on the use case | 11:54 |
| djszapi | Venemo: one advantage is that a whole company is behind that | 11:55 |
| djszapi | not a leisure time stuff | 11:55 |
| djszapi | and well...telepathy is targetted these use cases. | 11:55 |
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| wazd | thp: hehe, awesome posts :P | 11:58 |
| lardman | anyone got a link to how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in both a Qt pro file and the debian/rules? | 12:02 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, see the wiki page on porting applications to harmattan for the pro file part | 12:12 |
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| rcg | wazd: i do not mean to be a smartass.. but i assume you mean "hard working" instead of "hardly working" in your forum post: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4067&page=7 | 12:14 |
| wazd | f*ck, yep :D | 12:17 |
| wazd | Sorry for that :) | 12:17 |
| wazd | me inglish is steel rather pur :D | 12:18 |
| rcg | well.. np.. i just thought that in this context it might be worth to bother you with that ;) .. well, if i think about this the typo should be quite obvious in that conext anyhow :) | 12:19 |
| wazd | yeah, thanks for that :) | 12:20 |
| rcg | :) | 12:21 |
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| thp | wazd: :) | 12:25 |
| cpscotti | hey people, anyone using/used the QML map component out there? Apparently the zoomLevel (http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qml-map.html#zoomLevel-prop) property can only hold integers.. pretty rubbish! Am I missing something? | 12:35 |
| RST38h | It is zoom level, not zoom ratio | 12:37 |
| RST38h | Basically sets the level in the hierarchy of qudtrees from which you will get your map tiles | 12:38 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: ah yes, thanks for reminding me | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | if only we could write our own vibra patters for the N9/50 | 12:42 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: is the "final SDK" out yet, or do we still need to define our own? | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | nope, not out yet afaik | 12:44 |
| lardman | cool, thanks | 12:46 |
| * lardman wonders why the define is MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN rather than Q_WS_something | 12:46 | |
| lardman | I guess WS is for window server | 12:46 |
| * Venemo would thing WS is for window system | 12:47 | |
| Venemo | such as, Q_WS_X11 | 12:47 |
| Venemo | s/thing/think | 12:48 |
| lardman | yeah, but interesting that we have Q_WS_Maemo_5 | 12:48 |
| Venemo | someone made a mistake | 12:48 |
| lardman | fair enough :) | 12:48 |
| Venemo | that should have been Q_OS_MAEMO_5 | 12:48 |
| dm8tbr | jftr: 08:30:25< veskuh> dm8tbr: I think we are still trying to get (a)GPS also on N950 | 12:50 |
| dm8tbr | that is about MeeGo CE | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | anyone good at mtd mounting? | 12:50 |
| Venemo | mhm | 12:50 |
| lardman | argh, bloody Gnome filemanager | 12:51 |
| lardman | can't open a .desktop file for editting and when I try to tack .txt on the end it decides to tack another .desktop on the end | 12:51 |
| lardman | grumble grumble | 12:52 |
| lardman | vi it is | 12:52 |
| cpscotti | RST38h, yeah, I imagined something like that.. The prob is that as far as "the user" is concerned, that's a pretty bad zoom.. | 12:53 |
| cpscotti | RST38h, I guess we need like two "levels" of zoom, on just changing the object's scale and then when that gets too big/small, changing the zoomLevel | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Well you are not supposed to present this to the user as zoom | 12:54 |
| RST38h | Because it is "zoom" in Google Maps sense not in real magnifier sense | 12:55 |
| MohammadAG | no one? | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | I need to mount a rootfs.jffs2 | 12:56 |
| lardman | does one need to use invoker in a .desktop file exec line? | 12:57 |
| cpscotti | RST38h, yep.. that's what I'm working on.. let's see how it goes (I'm putting a big map inside a Flickable and then reimplementing all that in there.. looks good so far :d) | 12:57 |
| dm8tbr | MohammadAG: I think there was a fake mtd kernel module | 12:58 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: instructions here too if that's what you''re after https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image | 12:58 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, on the last step I got mount: /tmp/mtdblock0: can't read superblock | 13:01 |
| lardman | is it actually jffs2? | 13:01 |
| lardman | or is the partition wrong? | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, same as the N900's rootfs.jffs2, it's actually an UBI image | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554 this should work but | 13:03 |
| lcuk | morning guys n gals \o | 13:03 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: I'm afraid I don't know then | 13:03 |
| lardman | morning lcuk | 13:03 |
| lardman | I've got to go, need to drive Holly into town, bbl | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | I have a custom image that's big, so it says Out of space | 13:03 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, custom image? | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, made it myself | 13:05 |
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| Venemo | all right, I'll get back to my IRC client | 13:09 |
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| wazd | meanwhile, some more design brainstorming for you :) http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1108/25/ac24c75e3f0a.png | 13:11 |
| wazd | what do you think? | 13:12 |
| lcuk | wazd, ahh a detailed view of today! | 13:15 |
| Venemo | lcuk, have you checked out the GUI of the to-be-ircclient? | 13:17 |
| lcuk | Venemo, yes | 13:17 |
| lcuk | I downloaded the deb antman made | 13:18 |
| Venemo | lcuk, do you have an opinion about it? or any suggestions? (apart from "finish it already!") | 13:18 |
| lcuk | the portrait channel changers look nice with only a couple of chans | 13:18 |
| lcuk | but would be frustrating I feel with more | 13:19 |
| Venemo | you mean the sidebar or the dialog? | 13:19 |
| lcuk | sidebar | 13:20 |
| Venemo | how would you make it non-frustrating? | 13:21 |
| Venemo | btw, contrary to what I thought at first, the dialog could be a lot easier to use for channel switching than the sidebar | 13:22 |
| lcuk | i don't know, just add a couple more channels on there and see | 13:22 |
| Venemo | well, I understand that it could be frustrating, but it's the least frustrating way that I could think of. | 13:23 |
| lcuk | for sure | 13:24 |
| lcuk | hence add a few more and see how they look | 13:25 |
| lcuk | with only 3 it is perhaps | 13:25 |
| lcuk | it *looks* good | 13:25 |
| Venemo | yeah | 13:25 |
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| Venemo | but the trouble is, what other way is there which could work well for 10+ channels | 13:26 |
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| rm_work | lcuk: yo | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | hey rm_work \o | 13:43 |
| lcuk | how are you doing with your n950? | 13:43 |
| rm_work | pretty decent | 13:43 |
| rm_work | the phone started working again | 13:43 |
| rm_work | which is good | 13:43 |
| rm_work | lcuk: was the rioting over there as big a deal as people have been making it in the news? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | dunno, got other things to concentrate on | 13:45 |
| rm_work | ah | 13:45 |
| Venemo | well lcuk, it doesn't get any frustrating with more channels | 13:49 |
| Venemo | lcuk, it takes a flick + a tap | 13:50 |
| lcuk | Venemo, small and fiddly flick | 13:50 |
| lcuk | == accidental tap | 13:50 |
| Venemo | I could help that by making the bar a bit wider. | 13:51 |
| lcuk | Venemo, it looks nice | 13:51 |
| lcuk | just keep with it | 13:51 |
| lcuk | and see how it works when backend operating | 13:51 |
| Venemo | allright | 13:52 |
| rm_work | screenshots of the irc client thing somewhere? | 13:52 |
| Venemo | rm_work, not any recent ones | 13:54 |
| Venemo | lcuk, no, I think it is tiresome to flick this thin bar. not to mention that it occasionally triggers swipe to think that it's a swipe | 13:55 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, also, my finding is that the dialog (which also supports search filtering) works better as the number of channels increase | 13:57 |
| lcuk | Venemo, irc clients have a channel search which has thousands of channels | 13:58 |
| Venemo | lcuk, this is not that kind of channel search. | 13:58 |
| Venemo | lcuk, this is just a searchable list of open channels. | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | I wish the contacts app would have that sidebar scrolling with A-Z sorting when I'm offline with sorting set to by availability | 13:59 |
| Termana | WOOOO. I finally have my N950!!!111!!!oneonetwo1 | 14:04 |
| Tronic | I cannot figure out how to setup Qt Simulator to work with a Harmattan project. | 14:04 |
| Tronic | I have N9 on Qt Simulator and it works fine on a Meego project but then I won't be able to use the Harmattan widgets. | 14:04 |
| Tronic | What should I do? | 14:05 |
| Venemo | Termana, congrats :) | 14:06 |
| Venemo | Tronic, Qt Simulator is a piece o' crap that can't be used for anything productive | 14:06 |
| Tronic | So am I stuck with using actual hardware? | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, I expect 249 people to start singing by tomorrow | 14:10 |
| Termana | lol | 14:11 |
| Termana | It didn't come with a headset, I have to fish one out of my N900's box :p | 14:12 |
| Tronic | You might want to buy a new one, with more buttons. | 14:13 |
| Tronic | Works with N950, not with N900 (even though the package claims that all Nokia phones with 3.5 mm jack are supported). | 14:13 |
| Tronic | Not sure if the N900 headset works with N950, probably does but I never tried. | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, hi again | 14:16 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, morning! | 14:17 |
| lcuk | the /sys branch you mentioned to use the magnetometer | 14:17 |
| lcuk | it requires root permissions for reading | 14:17 |
| lcuk | ie, a user app cannot directly utilise it | 14:17 |
| wazd | Termana: congrats :) | 14:17 |
| * lcuk tested | 14:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ask aegis | 14:18 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, general permissions issue | 14:18 |
| lcuk | don't think it is aegis? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm only here for chanop purposes and to have a highlight and alarm on "killed aegis" | 14:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ahhh, I thought you were here to try and improve harmattan | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | harmattan with aegis is fubar | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Doc: Do you have fireworks set up to fire on that alarm? | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but not automatically | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I love to fire fireworks manually | 14:21 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: so you've seriously given up doing anything, because aegis is being mean sometimes? :/ | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | also avoids false positives | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've postponed any development on harmattan to a time when aegis stopped to annoy | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ask djszapi about the obsolete idea of "root" on a MSSF system. Your app needs tokens, not root | 14:23 |
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| RST38h | yea, right | 14:24 |
| RST38h | a token, sure... | 14:24 |
| RST38h | No use arguing with these people, just waterboard the way to access the real root from them | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Because, whatever they say, there is still going to be a real root in the system, in order to keep it ticking =) | 14:26 |
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| alterego | Oooo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrMfuFXFdf8 | 14:31 |
| RST38h | must go into a standard handset to become useful | 14:32 |
| alterego | RST38h: sure, :) | 14:32 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, in that case, install MeeGo CE on your N950 and begin making USB hostmode for that | 14:33 |
| RST38h | also looks very slow, not sure what part is to blame for it though | 14:33 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, we will need a suitable OS once Harmattan dies | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (only here...) I also announce the exception of general rule and allow myself to have /ignores on this chan, despite +o | 14:33 |
| alterego | RST38h: it's got it's own crappy OS | 14:34 |
| alterego | Based on Windows CE | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: that's somewhat my plan, yes | 14:34 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:34 |
| alterego | I want one to put MeeGo on it. | 14:34 |
| RST38h | that does it | 14:34 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer :) | 14:34 |
| alterego | It does have a composite input, so we could hook in a Nokia, but then, touch screen may be out of the question there :/ | 14:34 |
| alterego | Oh, it boasts USB OTG, I wonder if it can export a HID interface via that .. | 14:37 |
| alterego | Has WiFi too .. | 14:37 |
| Venemo | alterego, what are you talking about? | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, I find it useless | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | find this more interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbPF5ZjDpI | 14:40 |
| alterego | Neat | 14:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: is that scht downloadable? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, not that I know of :( | 14:43 |
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| alterego | lame | 14:44 |
| alterego | I may give someone an email ;) | 14:44 |
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| trx | how do i make use of the bottom bar (toolbar) without using QML in apps? | 14:51 |
| trx | are there any examples anywhere? | 14:52 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, your observation that magnetometer is blocked by aegis would be true if the sys branch were also not readable by root | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: on TC systems like harmattan _every_ permission issue is related to the security framework | 14:55 |
| trx | not the aegis again :( | 14:55 |
| rm_work | lcuk: i solved a similar problem on 770 with the backlight node not being writable, by adding a script in my postinst to chmod the darn thing, which is possible since at install-time it has root :P | 14:55 |
| trx | :P | 14:55 |
| lcuk | lol rm_work | 14:56 |
| rm_work | lcuk: what? it *works* :P | 14:56 |
| lcuk | hey no complaints | 14:56 |
| * lcuk tries similar | 14:56 | |
| rm_work | so, try that :P | 14:56 |
| rm_work | yeah | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: look, if this was a *normal* unix system, I had 2 or 3 suggestions how to tackle the issue in a bets-practice conforming way. Alas on THIS system they are all moot or I simply CBA to find out how to implement them | 14:56 |
| rm_work | should solve it | 14:56 |
| mgedmin | rm_work, chmod a file in /sys? what happens when you reboot? | 14:56 |
| rm_work | mgedmin: i think it stayed | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | that's unpossible | 14:57 |
| rm_work | <_< | 14:57 |
| rm_work | it may have been in /proc | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | same virtual thing | 14:57 |
| rm_work | yeah that one was in /proc | 14:57 |
| rm_work | well | 14:57 |
| rm_work | it worked | 14:57 |
| rm_work | let me see if maybe i added something else | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | changing group of the sysnode in question being just one of those methods | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | an upstart script to do the chmod on boot? | 14:57 |
| rm_work | looking at my svn | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to change the perissions and ownership of sysnodes at creation time | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | means in driver, or by driver parameters | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in udev rule | 14:58 |
| rm_work | AH yep | 14:59 |
| rm_work | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/debian/advanced-backlight.postinst?view=markup&root=adv-backlight&pathrev=144 | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | all not accessable thanks aegis | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | so, how does the Qt Mobility API let apps access the magnetometer? | 14:59 |
| rm_work | mgedmin / lcuk: ^^ | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | through a system daemon of some kind? | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | I didn't notice any fancy-shmancy aegis manifests in qmlcompass | 14:59 |
| rm_work | yeah i made a service | 14:59 |
| rm_work | and added it to rc.d | 14:59 |
| rm_work | lcuk: same should work for you | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | note that fremantle does not support rc.d | 15:00 |
| rm_work | well yes' | 15:00 |
| rm_work | but same concept | 15:00 |
| mgedmin | not sure about harmattan; I assume the same | 15:00 |
| rm_work | this was only for 770 | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact user processes are simply not supposed to access /sys | 15:00 |
| rm_work | i did all sorts of horrible hacks in some of my packages | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you frequently create a *device* driver for that, that creates a proper /dev/* and mirrors to sysnodes or whatever | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you have a service (see locationlib) that you access via any means (dbus... whatever) and that service (usually called middleware, or framework) does the access to sysnodes | 15:03 |
| rm_work | lcuk: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/brightness-permission?view=markup&root=adv-backlight&pathrev=116 | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | QtM completely fals on adopting this concept afaik | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | fails* | 15:04 |
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| Ronksu | mgedmin: qtmobility API gets sensor data from sensord | 15:12 |
| rm_work | lcuk: i guess there's your answer? sensord? | 15:17 |
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| faenil | hi guys :) | 15:18 |
| faenil | I'm trying to compile something for harmattan | 15:18 |
| faenil | but I get com.meego not installed | 15:18 |
| faenil | I installed Harmattan support in QtCreator | 15:18 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, rm_work - it is permissions only and you are right that there should be a device. | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know, but thanks anyway :-D | 15:21 |
| lcuk | and yes, using qtm for reading is right | 15:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 15:21 |
| faenil | can anybody help me? | 15:24 |
| faenil | I created wizard harmattan qml application | 15:24 |
| faenil | and added Desktop and Harmattan as targets | 15:24 |
| faenil | but it doesn't build for desktop | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | faenil, qml is not cross platform compatible! | 15:34 |
| lcuk | write a new ux for the desktop | 15:34 |
| faenil | oh I see... | 15:36 |
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| alterego | Cool, got some nice QML drag&drop stuff now :) | 15:37 |
| faenil | qml is not crossplatform compatible...that misses the whole Qt ideal... | 15:37 |
| Venemo | faenil, QML is, qt-components isn't. | 15:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, don't see any ifdefs in QML .. | 15:38 |
| faenil | isn't yet maybe? | 15:38 |
| Venemo | faenil, however, it is still 80% compatible between MeeGo and Symbian | 15:38 |
| faenil | okay I guess I'll scratch components off :) | 15:39 |
| lcuk | alterego, what are you tinkering with? | 15:39 |
| faenil | I'll receive the N950 in ten days, can't use QEmu till then :) | 15:39 |
| alterego | lcuk: hang on, I'm gonna upload a video | 15:39 |
| lcuk | drag and drop is something touchscreens are not so great at | 15:39 |
| alterego | This works well, for what it's designed to do ;) | 15:40 |
| lcuk | (try qt creator o na capacitive display, drag new item from toolbar onto ui) | 15:40 |
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| Venemo | faenil, in fact, since every platform has its own distinct appearance, it's only fair that they have different components. | 15:40 |
| faenil | sure it is | 15:41 |
| Venemo | faenil, if you want to have one common appearance between platforms, then you can still use about 80% of components (since most platforms have a button or textfield) | 15:41 |
| Venemo | faenil, or if you want to ensure 100% cross-platformness, then you should use "pure" QML, but that is so hard that I wouldn't bother with it. | 15:42 |
| faenil | but I don't think wizard qml app is using meego-only components | 15:42 |
| Venemo | dunno. | 15:43 |
| Venemo | never tried | 15:43 |
| alterego | lcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/qml-drag-and-drop.mpg | 15:44 |
| lcuk | alterego, nice, but does that depend upon perfect touchscreen? | 15:49 |
| alterego | No, why would it? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:50 |
| alterego | That app I'm working on the exo | 15:50 |
| alterego | Press and hold initiates the drag | 15:50 |
| alterego | It was suprisingly fiddly to get drag and drop to work in QML .. | 15:51 |
| Termana | Does anyone know an easy way to get the names of the pulseaudio sinks/sources on the N950? | 15:51 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, I think that we should forget this idea about the SelectionDialog with a filtering text field. | 16:15 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I simply can't find a good way to make it look good with the VKB in landscape | 16:15 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I think frals was right and I'll make a sheet for this purpose. | 16:15 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I solved the performance issue by setting a property "filterText" (alias to searchField.text) | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | Then I can do model filtering on it - much, much faster | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | And turning of the preedit text helps too | 16:17 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I'm not talking about the perf issue now, but I'd obviously like to have a look at your code :) | 16:18 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, in landscape mode when the text box is focused, the VKB just covers too much of the screen | 16:18 |
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| fiferboy | Venemo: That is a problem with _anything_ using the VKB in ladscape | 16:21 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, yes. but using "normal" GUI elements, they just resize themselves | 16:22 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, however the dialog can not do this. not even anchors.fill: parent or height:parent.height or any way, it won't resize itself. | 16:22 |
| Venemo | there is also no way to progmatically check for the VKB's presence. | 16:22 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Ah, good point | 16:22 |
| fiferboy | I really don't want to use a sheet, though, since I am calling the dialog from a sheet already | 16:23 |
| Venemo | it there were, I would just hardcode it to shrink when the VKB is present., | 16:23 |
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| Venemo | a sheet can open another sheet :) | 16:23 |
| fiferboy | I was looking for ways to detect when the VKB opened a while back but couldn't find any | 16:23 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I know it can (and I have) but it gets pretty laborious | 16:23 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, not necessarily,why? | 16:25 |
| fiferboy | In my program I open a sheet to get to the settings (which already has to be explicitly dismissed), then when I offer a selectiong it will open another sheet (hopefully dismissable by selecting an item)? | 16:26 |
| fiferboy | And I have call for at _least_ 5 selection dialogs, more depending on the number of entries the user has | 16:26 |
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| faenil | QtComponents building from sources fails.. | 16:30 |
| faenil | componenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _ | 16:30 |
| faenil | componenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _ | 16:30 |
| faenil | _cdecl SettingsWindow::~SettingsWindow(void)" (??1SettingsWindow@@UEAA@XZ) refer | 16:31 |
| faenil | enced in main function | 16:31 |
| faenil | that's the error | 16:31 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Building from git in scratchbox? | 16:31 |
| faenil | building from git with msvc | 16:31 |
| fiferboy | It worked for me in scratchbox five days ago | 16:32 |
| faenil | oh but my fault | 16:32 |
| faenil | I only build Qt for desktop | 16:32 |
| faenil | ... | 16:32 |
| faenil | that must be the reason | 16:32 |
| faenil | is configure -meego enough to configure for building whole Qt for harmattan? | 16:33 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Check the build steps in debian/rules | 16:34 |
| fiferboy | Those the the steps I used | 16:34 |
| wazd | now the only damn problem with weather for harmattan is where to put that goddamn settings button | 16:34 |
| fiferboy | wazd: In the settings applications? | 16:34 |
| faenil | fiferboy: where? | 16:35 |
| wazd | fiferboy: hmmmmmmmm | 16:36 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, hm | 16:36 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, yeah, I also used a Sheet for settings in memory-game | 16:36 |
| wazd | fiferboy: didn't think of that actually :P | 16:36 |
| fiferboy | faenil: qt-components/debian/rules | 16:36 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, however I noticed that a Sheet still works within its Page's context, so all toolbar items from the page are still visible. so I need to take into account for those buttons' behaviour whether the settings is open or not. | 16:37 |
| faenil | oh k | 16:37 |
| faenil | I meant compiling Qt, not components | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | wazd: It makes sense for an application that works like a system app | 16:37 |
| wazd | fiferboy: you think it would be user-friendly? | 16:37 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, so for the IRC client, I'm using a Page for settings. | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Ah! Sorry, I'm no help then I gave up building Qt a year ago | 16:37 |
| faenil | ok | 16:37 |
| faenil | thanks | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I think I may convert to that (my settings were a lot simpler when I started :) ) | 16:38 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, for example, it looked odd when I opened the menu on top of the settings sheet. so then I made settings close when the menu opens and menu close when settings opens. | 16:38 |
| Venemo | also, starting/surrendering the game while in the settings felt really bad. | 16:39 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Something has happened to sheet in the latest builds too. Doesn't go to the top of the screen anymore | 16:39 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, it only goes to the top if it is a "global" sheet | 16:39 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, if it's owned by a Page, it never does that | 16:40 |
| Venemo | not by default anyway. | 16:40 |
| Venemo | and I don't use the latest builds. | 16:40 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Ah, maybe that is the issue (although you can set the visualParent it doesn't seem to help) | 16:40 |
| wazd | fiferboy: I know that came from the iOS | 16:41 |
| fiferboy | wazd: The thing I would worry about is whether users would know it is there | 16:42 |
| fiferboy | It _seems_ like a good place, but how will they know to look there? | 16:43 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, setting the visualParent helped it for me. | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: To what? The pageStackWindow? | 16:43 |
| Venemo | no | 16:43 |
| Venemo | to the Page | 16:43 |
| Venemo | wazd, maybe a good solution is to make your settings accessible from both your app and the settings app. | 16:43 |
| Venemo | not sure if the API for the latter is documented. | 16:44 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep, that' exactly what I'm pondering about | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I think I tried that, and I think it worked with 1.0 but not 1.1 | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | I will try again, though | 16:44 |
| wazd | Venemo: yep, but then the question is still here: where to place that damn settings button? :D | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Have it floating in the middle of the screen pulsating gently | 16:45 |
| * RST38h almost got the file selection page done | 16:46 | |
| RST38h | Except the fact that QtComponents file list component does not provide data on the file size, modification date, or mime type | 16:47 |
| RST38h | And the SPARQL Qtcomponent is missing from the device | 16:47 |
| Venemo | wazd, I place it into my toolbar, but you could also place it into the menu. | 16:47 |
| Venemo | RST38h, why don't you write some C++ to handle that | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Yeah, I had to write my own model with that information in it :( | 16:48 |
| RST38h | Venemo: I can write this completely in C++. Why would I need QML then, though? | 16:49 |
| Venemo | RST38h, QML is only good for GUI development, but it sucks for anything else. | 16:49 |
| Venemo | this is my opinion. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Venemo,fiferboy: Anyone knows the author of the QML file list component? Maybe we can ask him add these two properties? | 16:50 |
| Venemo | maybe we can. | 16:50 |
| Venemo | ask away in #qt-components or just report a bug for them | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Well, given that QML is also royal asspain to interface with C/C++, your statement can be rephrased as "sucks for anything" | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Venemo; Because let us be honest: an application is rarely "just UI" | 16:51 |
| * RST38h goes to raid #qt-components | 16:51 | |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Wait, there is an official file list component? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: yes :) | 16:52 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: funny, isn't it? :) | 16:52 |
| * fiferboy wonders how he missed this | 16:52 | |
| fiferboy | RST38h: But lacking in the file info department? | 16:53 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: the documentation for this qml stuff is very lacking | 16:53 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: yes somewhat | 16:53 |
| wazd | Venemo, fiferboy: i thought it would be cool to use that fancy "pull to update" feature http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/1108/ad/418ed965985c.png | 16:57 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: You pull down and release to update? | 16:58 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | I find that useful on, for example, the Android Twitter client | 16:58 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yeah, neat trick, I should have thought of that :D | 16:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: BTW, is the OMWeather app for Harmattan already available? | 17:03 |
| RST38h | Now I am | 17:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, but we're working on it atm :) | 17:03 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: I have an OBS repo I use for public stuff and a server with debs (but no repo structure) for testing | 17:03 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: I need some place to put binary only packages to | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Most of my testing work is in gitorious (when I remember to push it) | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: You could always use dropbox | 17:04 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Was going to create a repo at Komkon, but it looks like FreeBSD isn't the easiest platform to create a deb repo at =) | 17:04 |
| RST38h | fiferbot: Oh, I can just use fms.komkon.org but than there will not be way to autoupdate | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: Yeah, I don't have a way to autoupdate my test apps either | 17:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: anyway I want to have something working on 21st | 17:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Same here | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: The AlmostTI thing is working nicely BTW, but I wanted to ask you to redo the TI84+SE template | 17:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: It has got a vertical offset. Doable to fix? | 17:10 |
| * Termana bashes head against wall | 17:13 | |
| wazd | RST38h: sure, I also wanted to remake the main menu | 17:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: if you don't mind | 17:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: If you fill like it, go ahead | 17:13 |
| Venemo | wazd, the image loads quite slowly on my cellular connecton | 17:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am totally ok with it | 17:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: Do keep in mind that the top corners are used for exiting menu / exiting app | 17:14 |
| RST38h | s/fill/feel | 17:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 17:14 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, have your N950 adventures gotten any more productive? | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Have you looked as Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged? | 17:27 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, noooooooo | 17:28 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, what does it do? | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Looks like what we want, but I'm not sure how to correctly access the Screen element in WorkingSelectionDialog | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | Tells you when the VKB is open :) | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-screen.html | 17:28 |
| Venemo | hmhm :) | 17:28 |
| Venemo | is there something that tells me the width/height of the screen? | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: So there is Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged we can listen for | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | Screen.displayHeight | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | (in 1.1, I think just Screen.height in 1.0) | 17:29 |
| Venemo | mhm | 17:29 |
| Venemo | that solves this | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | Yeah | 17:30 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, there is also Screen.keyboardOpen | 17:30 |
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| Venemo | but... I still see no way to make it elegant | 17:31 |
| Venemo | in landscape mode, this will still eat most of the screen space | 17:31 |
| Venemo | a pity that we can't check for the height of the VKB | 17:32 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, both Screen.height and Screen.displayHeight is undefined | 17:35 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Yeah, you can't access it through "Screen" but have to use the context property "screen" (and then only within a function or comparison I believe) | 17:39 |
| Venemo | meh | 17:39 |
| Venemo | it's not good enough | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | Almost a solution :) | 17:39 |
| Venemo | but still most of the dialog is hidden... :( | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | That'll be a problem even with a sheet in landscape | 17:40 |
| Venemo | unfortunately. | 17:40 |
| Venemo | hm | 17:41 |
| Venemo | Screen.keyboardOpen doesn't seem to work | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | screen.keyboardOpen does (within a function) | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | We could do height: (screen.keyboardOpen) ? 100 : 300 | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | Or whatever | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | I guess it would have to be based on oreintation too o_O | 17:42 |
| Venemo | yeah | 17:42 |
| Venemo | indeed. | 17:42 |
| Venemo | the "right" way would be if we could make sure that the dialog's height is the screen's height maybe | 17:43 |
| Venemo | and then we could do it with less voodoo | 17:43 |
| Venemo | and screen.keyboardOpen tells whether the hw keyboard is open, NOT whether the VKB is open | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | You're right, even though the description clearly states VKB | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | Maybe it works on the N9? | 17:45 |
| fiferboy | Works beautifully for hardware KB, though :) | 17:47 |
| Venemo | screen.height and screen.width don't change when the orientation changed | 17:47 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Nope. And doesn't look like they change when the VKB is up either | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | (or do they?) | 17:48 |
| Venemo | nope | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | So basically we are back to no way of knowing if the VKB is showing :| | 17:49 |
| Venemo | hehehe | 17:52 |
| Venemo | this is the 2nd time today when I just lean on Ctrl+Z after I've tried something about this issue. | 17:54 |
| fiferboy | Just did that too :/ | 17:54 |
| Venemo | a Sheet will be the ultimate solution, methinks | 17:55 |
| fiferboy | Unfortunately, yes :( | 17:55 |
| tomma | how about inputContext.softwareInputPanelVisible and inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect | 17:58 |
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| fiferboy | What is this magic?! | 18:00 |
| fiferboy | tomma: You just saved the day! | 18:00 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: What toma said works :D | 18:00 |
| wazd | settings, settings, bloody settings... | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | s/toma/tomma/ | 18:01 |
| infobot | fiferboy meant: Venemo: What tomma said works :D | 18:01 |
| * wazd 's starring at the screen :( | 18:01 | |
| Venemo | wut did he say? | 18:03 |
| Venemo | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh | 18:03 |
| Venemo | tomma, you've saved the day | 18:03 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, wanna send me a patch when you're done? :P | 18:04 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Will do | 18:04 |
| fiferboy | I also added in the non-predictive text | 18:04 |
| fiferboy | But I have removed the filtering within the dialog itself | 18:05 |
| tomma | i want to disable window scaling for VKB.... | 18:05 |
| Venemo | hmm? | 18:05 |
| tomma | when VKB opens it my Ui is scaled so it fits in screen with keyboard | 18:06 |
| tomma | one way would be using flickabe as container... | 18:06 |
| fiferboy | tomma: Yeah, flickable is the only solution I have found for that | 18:07 |
| Venemo | well, this behaviour is generally good | 18:08 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: This is going to be a very messy height statement (dependany on orientation and VKB) | 18:11 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, what way have you found to take orientation into consideration? | 18:12 |
| fiferboy | (inPortrait) ? Math.Min(blahbalhbalh) : 300 | 18:13 |
| Venemo | inPortrait? is there such a property? :o | 18:15 |
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| vladest | hi | 18:20 |
| Venemo | hi | 18:21 |
| vladest | where to look for coredumps on n950? | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps, maybe? | 18:23 |
| vladest | hmm. empty | 18:25 |
| vladest | /home/developer/MyDocs/core-dumps empty too | 18:27 |
| faenil | do I need to enable OpenGL manually for qtquick3d? | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | you need to run ulimit -c unlimited | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | and then run your segfaulting app from the same shell | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | to get a core dump | 18:28 |
| faenil | I get "Gl graphics system is not active" | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | see http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Developing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Debugging_with_GNU_Debugger | 18:28 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: There sure it, and I make good use of it :) | 18:29 |
| Venemo | fiferboy :) | 18:30 |
| vladest | mgedmin: 10x! | 18:30 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: But it looks like it only works in pageStack | 18:30 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, meh. | 18:30 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I'll have to use the screen orientation properties | 18:30 |
| Venemo | nah, I think I'll forget using SelectionDialog this way | 18:30 |
| Venemo | I will later implement a Sheet for searching purposes. | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: The problem is, a selection dialog *without* a filter works beautifully as a dialog | 18:31 |
| Venemo | agreed! | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | I want my filterable selections to match the look | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | And I think we are *very* close :) | 18:32 |
| Venemo | well... dunno... I'll use your code when you come up with something. | 18:32 |
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| wazd | http://s001.radikal.ru/i195/1108/a1/59913230a2ee.png <- suggestions? :) | 18:37 |
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| mgedmin | wazd, *drool* | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I want that now :) | 18:39 |
| CaCO3 | hi all | 18:39 |
| faenil | guys I created a Harmattan wizard app and selected Desktop and Harmattan as targets | 18:40 |
| CaCO3 | anybody can give me a hint how to get root acces (local or via ssh) on the N950? | 18:40 |
| faenil | now how can I use Qt3D and QtQuick3D on it | 18:40 |
| faenil | ? | 18:40 |
| faenil | which dir should I add to include? | 18:40 |
| CaCO3 | I tried devel-su with rootme, but this seems not to be working | 18:41 |
| faenil | it says qdeclarativeview3d.h not found | 18:41 |
| faenil | I built both Qt and QtQuick3D from sources yesterday | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | CaCO3, it should have worked | 18:41 |
| Venemo | CaCO3, http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#root | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | alternative: ssh root@localhost, password rootme | 18:41 |
| CaCO3 | Tried that as well, get always: permission denied | 18:42 |
| CaCO3 | Might it have changed when I connected it to Qt Creator? | 18:42 |
| CaCO3 | As I understand it oses another user: developer | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | the SDK connectivity tool uses a 'developer' user account | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't change the root password | 18:43 |
| CaCO3 | yup, I understand it the same way | 18:44 |
| CaCO3 | so how can the password be different when I even never gained root access?? :( | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | hmm... can you check if settings -> security -> developer mode is set to ON? | 18:44 |
| CaCO3 | yup, its on | 18:44 |
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| CaCO3 | I ssh-ed with developer and can read out the passwd file. Could I retreive the password with jack ? | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | probably | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | what does the hash look like? | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Sizing dependant on orientation ad VKB is working | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | oh crap, I can't compare, since I've changed my root password | 18:46 |
| CaCO3 | root:M/4HfcgwtVA4.:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | can you run devel-su as developer? | 18:46 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, nice :) | 18:46 |
| faenil | can anybody help me? | 18:46 |
| CaCO3 | yup, but also sais incorrect password | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | faenil: Sorry, I don't know about Qt3D | 18:47 |
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| Venemo | CaCO3, reflash. | 18:48 |
| CaCO3 | hmm, thats an option, but I would like to solve it the hacker way :) | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | faenil: You might want to ask in one Qt channels | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | CaCO3, that looks like a simple ancient tripple-DES crypt hash that ought to be easy to brute-force | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | (although I've never done that myself and can't share experience) | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, can anybody who _hasn't_ changed the root password compare the hash in /etc/passwd with CaCO3's? | 18:51 |
| CaCO3 | that would be great :) | 18:52 |
| CaCO3 | I am actually wondering if I could use the one from scratchbox and if it also should be rootme | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | I wish I knew how to extract the firmware image from the single-click flasher | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | and then how to mount it | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: http://pastebin.com/b5377SWU | 18:53 |
| lardman | for harmattan .pro files, is there a contains() function that can be used to conditionally add elements? | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Not much change, actually. Fixes sizing with VKB and performance (but you have to link filterText to a model filter) | 18:53 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, why did you delete height: visible ? selectorDialog.platformStyle.itemHeight : 0 ? | 18:55 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: That is the cause of the performance issue on large lists | 18:55 |
| Venemo | heh | 18:55 |
| Venemo | but otherwise it will leave empty space | 18:55 |
| Venemo | in the place of non-visible items | 18:56 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: If filtering in place, yes | 18:56 |
| Venemo | aaah. | 18:56 |
| fiferboy | I took out the in-place filtering for this version (feel free to just take the sizing changes) | 18:56 |
| Venemo | and then how do you filter? | 18:56 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I wrote an accessor function to my filter model (setFilterText) that applies the text | 18:57 |
| fiferboy | And call that accessor in onFilterTextChanged | 18:57 |
| Venemo | so you use a custom model for this purpose | 18:57 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, oh, something that I've added to mine since then: | 18:58 |
| lardman | thoughts on how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in the debian/rules file? | 18:59 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, http://pastebin.com/QsWtHDSB | 18:59 |
| Venemo | lardman, you could use something similar to http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/ | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I removed the searchField.text = "" because it screwed up the selectedIndex for me (I thought) | 19:00 |
| fiferboy | I take it it works for you? | 19:00 |
| lardman | Venemo: I'll take a look, thanks | 19:01 |
| Venemo | lardman, you should check for something else instead of dpkg origins | 19:02 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, of course it screws, since your model changes. for me, the model remains the same, the items only become invisible :P | 19:03 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Exactly | 19:04 |
| lardman | Venemo: I guess I could check the output of some file in the fs | 19:04 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, I'm talking about searchField.forceActiveFocus(); | 19:04 |
| fiferboy | I guess I could clear it on open for the same affect | 19:04 |
| Venemo | lardman, yeah, although I don't know of a suitable one. | 19:04 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Yes, I just remembered the other change when I saw that :) | 19:04 |
| Venemo | fiferboy :) | 19:04 |
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| Venemo | fiferboy, anyway, as I come to think of it, I may remove this addition. since the user doesn't necessarily want to type. | 19:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I was just testing and came to this conclusion :) | 19:05 |
| lardman | cat /proc/cpuinfo should work as it has hw info | 19:07 |
| Venemo | lardman, nope | 19:07 |
| lardman | why not? | 19:07 |
| Venemo | lardman, people usually don't build packages on their devices. | 19:07 |
| lardman | oh crap, forgot it was build time not runtime | 19:08 |
| lardman | in which case iirc there's some maemo-version package that installs a file under /etc | 19:08 |
| Venemo | is there maemo-version in Harmattan? | 19:08 |
| lardman | yeah some equivalent, let me look | 19:09 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, the height hack works, thank you :) | 19:09 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Excellent! | 19:10 |
| lardman | meego-nokia-version | 19:10 |
| fiferboy | I think it is all working properly for me with the filtering and the height (height could be a bit more elegant, like screen.height - inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect.height | 19:11 |
| Venemo | indeed, if only screen.height wasn't undefined. | 19:12 |
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| fiferboy | screen.displayHeight works (I think) in 1.1 | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | But it needs to be corrected for orientation :( | 19:13 |
| Venemo | I do use QtQuick 1.1 and it does not. | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | Well, that's just annoying | 19:14 |
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| lardman | I've not seen any changes mentioned to the location of the DBus service files, anyone know of any? | 19:17 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: screen.displayHeight works for me | 19:17 |
| Venemo | hm | 19:17 |
| fiferboy | It returns 480(!) regardless of orientation | 19:17 |
| Venemo | :D | 19:17 |
| kimju | fiferboy, https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/blobs/master/src_meegotouch/MTermWidget.cpp#line321 | 19:28 |
| kimju | fiferboy, there seems to be odd hacks for size/orientation here and there.. | 19:29 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, ping | 19:30 |
| fiferboy | kimju: That looks like gesture direction based on orientation | 19:34 |
| fiferboy | I already do lots of orientation dependant calculations, this just has an extra variable (VKB) to facotr in :) | 19:34 |
| fiferboy | kimju: But I have come to accept that orientationchanges are meant to make interface deisgn miserable :D | 19:37 |
| kimju | and I patched the meego-terminal to have an option to ignore the orientation changes and stay locked in either landscape or portrait. | 19:38 |
| kimju | the rotation/resizing was getting annoying.. | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | kimju: There are certain applications that I totally agree with this | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | Book reader is another example | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | What would be awesome would be to use the front camera to pick up the relative orientation of the user | 19:42 |
| npm | are there other policy classes other than games?? http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Best_practices_for_application_development/Using_Resource_Policy_to_enhance_games | 19:42 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, if you are still interested in helping with the IRC backend, please ping me. | 19:49 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: "more" "elegant"(?) solution: http://pastebin.com/S6uzJmvn | 19:53 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: pong | 19:53 |
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| Venemo | hiemanshu, are you still interested in helping me with the IRC backend? | 19:54 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: yes | 19:54 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: I was working on it | 19:54 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, you were? really? :) | 19:54 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, what is 64? | 19:54 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: yup I was :P | 19:54 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, very nice :) | 19:55 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: You tell me :) | 19:55 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, no idea | 19:55 |
| fiferboy | Miscellaneous padding, I think | 19:55 |
| fiferboy | It does keep the elegant out of it :( | 19:55 |
| Venemo | fiferboy ok | 19:55 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, what would you say, let me push my latest stuff to gitorious and then you could make your stuff work with it and push too? | 19:55 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: sure | 19:56 |
| hiemanshu | go ahead | 19:56 |
| Venemo | hiemanshu, some things have changed with regards to my model classes: they are beginning to take shape. | 19:57 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: ah nice | 19:57 |
| hiemanshu | Venemo: PM | 20:02 |
| Venemo | k | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (relative orientation) we had this idea some days ago, my comment been "maybe the face detection gives it away for free" | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas face detection is quite probably closed blob once again, with no (documented) API | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but maybe the face detection fails epically with faces not "in line with orientation", never tested it | 20:12 |
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| GAN900 | I think OLED may singlehandedly kill the N9 for me. | 20:27 |
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| frals | because its so awesome? | 20:31 |
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| GAN900 | Because PenTile is terrible | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | and I like tiny fonts. | 20:33 |
| wazd | GAN900: I guess we should check it live to judge | 20:35 |
| fiferboy | exit | 20:35 |
| fiferboy | D'oh | 20:36 |
| wazd | fiferboy: cya :) | 20:36 |
| fiferboy | wazd: No, staying here | 20:36 |
| wazd | aah :) | 20:36 |
| fiferboy | Other terminal was supposed to exit :/ | 20:36 |
| npm | re: are the other policy glasses other than games: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28632 | 20:36 |
| wazd | GAN900: looks like N9 has the same RGBG screen as Nexus One | 20:37 |
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| GAN900 | i.e., crap. | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | sigh, black window in QML again | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | is there no way to debug this? | 20:42 |
| wazd | GAN900: haven't used nex1 more than 30 seconds, is it? | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, isn't it fun? | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | Shows up in the runtime output every so often. | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | wazd, yes. | 20:42 |
| frals | MohammadAG: you get errors to stderr | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | frals, not through Qt Creator apparently | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | Works here | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | Application output. | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | I was registering the C++ class after setting the qml url :3 | 20:45 |
| tomma | MohammadAG, i had black window problem in one project too... problem was i didn't set size for root object and didn't use resizeroottoview resizemode | 20:45 |
| fiferboy | Ah, sometimes if the C++ interaction fails you don't get output about it | 20:46 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You can user qDebug() in the C++, but it may not be that helpful | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | besides qmlRegisterType, do I need anything else for C++ in QML? | 20:47 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: What are you trying to access in QML? Model? Property? Function? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, function | 20:49 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: you might find the Q_INVOKABLE macro useful | 20:49 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: You can expose your class using view->rootContext->setContextProperty | 20:49 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: And then any function that is Q_INVOKABLE will be available | 20:50 |
| fiferboy | I haven't used qmlRegisterType, but I haven't heard many success stories with it | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | rcg, already using it | 20:50 |
| rcg | actually i used qmlRegisterType quite often | 20:50 |
| rcg | aye ic | 20:50 |
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| rcg | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=meepasswords | 20:52 |
| rcg | i use QML + C++ quite extensively there | 20:52 |
| rcg | have a look at main.cpp to see which C++ types are used in QML | 20:53 |
| rcg | i qmlRegisterType all my C++/QML stuff there | 20:53 |
| rcg | only thing i do not do in this project is to pass my custom objects back from QML to C++ as this triggeres an evil bug which is only present in the "stable" Qt Fremantle version | 20:54 |
| rcg | "stable" as in "is available in extras" | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone used QtMobility to record audio before? | 21:08 |
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| wazd | http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1108/73/2a781c752544.png <- That reminds me of Andy Warhol :D | 21:57 |
| rcg | lol.. looks like modern art indeed :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | wazd, awesome, but which tool is generating such things? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | or did you carefully overlay those yourself? | 22:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: hands, unfortunately | 22:03 |
| wazd | lcuk: though harmattan can do such things for QML UI's :D | 22:03 |
| lcuk | yeah thought so | 22:03 |
| wazd | lcuk: that's the main part of designers work, not sitting on the sofa and listening to classic music like everyone think :D | 22:04 |
| lcuk | wazd but if it can be done in qml directly, you should have best of both | 22:05 |
| lcuk | sit in qt creator listening to classical music | 22:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: I really wish to learn qml to make such things at 1/2 speed of my photoshop work | 22:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: right now it's more like 1/16 :D | 22:07 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | QML is actually easy once you grasp the concept | 22:08 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: yeah, the fact that I can do something in QML proves that monkeys can code in it :D | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, the simplistic UI for my shazam-like app is almost done | 22:09 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: but still it takes time for me :( | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, lol, spend more time on it | 22:09 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: I'm trying :) | 22:09 |
| * MohammadAG goes looking for a microphone image to put it in a squircle | 22:09 | |
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| wazd | http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=microphone+solid | 22:11 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: ^ | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, the ide is what helps in part | 22:11 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, not much, the designer doesn't work for QML for me | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | thanks wazd ! | 22:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:14 |
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| Venemo | hey again | 22:19 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: ack.. the designer wasn't pretty helpful for me either.. the code completion is a real lifesaver though :) | 22:21 |
| rcg | hey Venemo | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | heya Venemo | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | anyone successfully used theme.inverted? | 22:21 |
| rcg | used it once on a button | 22:22 |
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| rcg | err... nevermind.. thought i used it while i actually didn't | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Component.onCompleted: { theme.inverted = true } | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: If you do that on your toplevel element it should make the entire app inverted | 22:25 |
| fiferboy | Or you can do it on an element-by-element basis | 22:25 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, !! | 22:25 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:25 |
| * lcuk thinks fiferboy is turning into a version of his lexicon app | 22:25 | |
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| MohammadAG | fiferboy, doesn't render the app correctly | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | oh nvm fiferboy, it worked | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | Still haven't figured out how to horizontally center an item though | 22:31 |
| rcg | anchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter | 22:34 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: ^ | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | thanks rcg! | 22:36 |
| rcg | yw | 22:37 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: I figured that out out the other night for fun! | 22:41 |
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| Venemo | hey lcuk, I need your opinion about something. | 22:45 |
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| mgedmin | something's wrong with my N950: openssh died, develsh fails to start with "input/output error", devel-su fails to start with "operation not permitted" | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | hey, I can't even open an xterm | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | I can't launch any of the apps | 22:54 |
| kimju | sounds like fs failure. | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | I'd check dmesg, but (1) operation not permitted, thanks aegis, (2) devel-su not permitted, (3) I closed the xterm and now can't open it any more | 22:55 |
| kimju | retry, reboot, reflash? | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | it's not the first time this has happened; last time I rebooted, and it came up -- barely, after a couple of "Device malfunctioning: too many restarts" screens | 22:56 |
| kimju | wouldn't be a bad idea to contact nokia? | 22:57 |
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| mgedmin | incidentally, how long does it take to shut down? | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | the animation is quick, and the screen goes black very soon | 22:57 |
| mgedmin | but it doesn't react to the power button for a while, which makes me think it's still shutting down quietly | 22:58 |
| mgedmin | booting booting booting... black screen led off | 22:59 |
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| mgedmin | try #2: same | 22:59 |
| kimju | I tried, about 20-25 seconds from initiating the shutdown until power button reacts again. | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | try #3, #4: same | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | plugging in wall charger... | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | led blinks, screen says nokia, 30 seconds later screen goes dark, led goes dark | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | then it restarts | 23:02 |
| kimju | my guess is still fs failure. or hw problem with the emmc. | 23:03 |
| kimju | if reflash doesn't help -> contact nokia. | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | ah, boot #8 or so: "Device is malfunctioning, you may try re-flashing blah blah Software problem (unknown): too frequent reboots" | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | press [ok], it reboots agai | 23:04 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, the older height expression worked better than the new one | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | same nokia screen, but now it's flashing | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | and a water ripple effect shows up | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | now the squirclish loading throbber | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | and it came up | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: Yeah, for this screen size and VKB size | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I can't figure out how the extra size is used, though | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | basically, same as before, only before I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing | 23:05 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, mhm | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: I would think margins | 23:06 |
| Venemo | maybe | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | I see mmcblk0 errors in dmesg | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | and ext4 errors too | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 23:11 |
| mgedmin | ooh, /home is mounted ro | 23:11 |
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| mgedmin | backup time | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/5n54bl.jpg | 23:14 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: heluva UI :D | 23:15 |
| thp | MohammadAG: open source shazam? | 23:15 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: but that's actually everything it needs :) | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, indeed, it's so cool and epic, I paid the designer a grand for the design | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | thp, yeah | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | not sure how well it works compared to shazam, but it recognized two tracks of mine | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | tested with curl before writing it of course | 23:16 |
| thp | that's cool. wanna-have! | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | the bottom right menu has a song history button | 23:17 |
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| wazd | thp: do you need that abstract piece of art for gPodder that I've shown earlier? :) | 23:18 |
| thp | wazd: which one? might have missed it in the scrollstream? | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | /home/user/fenoix-attachments? | 23:18 |
| mgedmin | s/fenoix/fenix | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | thp, there's one problem, QMediaRecorder isn't working as advertised :) | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | Venemo: It could be the footer height in CommonDialog, but it doesn't look like it should be used for this | 23:19 |
| wazd | thp: http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1108/73/2a781c752544.png | 23:19 |
| thp | MohammadAG: cross-compile alsa utils and "arecord" your way into stardom? | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:19 |
| thp | wazd: is that just some kind of debugging view? | 23:20 |
| Venemo | fiferboy, hm | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | thp, photoshopped debugging view ftw :D | 23:20 |
| wazd | thp: I've created it with hands so Tanya will know all the sizes and coordinates :) | 23:20 |
| thp | or is that a visual "developers can't get their paddings right" rant? ;) | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | I'm actually impressed | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | oh and MTF has something like that | 23:20 |
| thp | wazd: Tanya's the one that has been at sf2011? | 23:21 |
| wazd | thp: yep :) | 23:21 |
| thp | MohammadAG: yes, i've seen it with MTF. i think one can even enable it in the widgets gallery somehow | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | thp, debug tools I think, or misc | 23:22 |
| thp | wazd: ;) well, we should definitely refine the layout of gpodder before the release if we have time :) | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, debug tools -> information display | 23:22 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: just press Ctrl+Shift+M | 23:22 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: in any app :) | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | also | 23:22 |
| thp | wazd: do you have some time + a n950 for testing now? because then i'd send you a recent .deb of gpodder for testing and for your input (i think interactive is better than screenshots only) | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | who noticed the two multitouch(?) points when using CTRL + single touch | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's for the SDK, not sure | 23:23 |
| wazd | thp: sure! | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | thp, enabling it in WG enables it OS wide :D | 23:23 |
| wazd | thp: I've tried to install the deb from forum.meego thread, but it didn't work well | 23:24 |
| thp | wazd: not at all or did it just look crappy? | 23:24 |
| wazd | thp: just the "red icon" :) | 23:25 |
| thp | hmm maybe you need to dpkg -i / apt-get install -f it from the command line | 23:26 |
| thp | to get the dependencies installed | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | hm, looks like it's too late to create new backups... | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | "alsa:null", "alsa:default", "oss:/dev/DspBridge", "pulseaudio:" which one should I use? | 23:28 |
| thp | alsa:default i guess? | 23:29 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, why don't you try pulseaudio? | 23:31 |
| mgedmin | I see /sbin/fsck.ext4 and /sbin/fsck.ext4dev, what's the difference? | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG | QMediaRecorder::ResourceError "Could not open file "file:///home/user/.cache/MohammadAG/MusicRecognizer/musicrecognizer_temp.wav" for writing." | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | is there some weird aegis related stuff I need for that dir? | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | does the dir exist? | 23:40 |
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| mgedmin | ok, all important stuff backed up by hand | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, yes, that's checked in code | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | I can touch/rm the file | 23:45 |
| thp | MohammadAG: try writing in MyDocs - maybe this works? | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | try strace -e open on your process | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | I shouldn't use QUrl::fromLocalFile | 23:47 |
| * MohammadAG stabs docs | 23:47 | |
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| MohammadAG | mgedmin, it worked now, | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | QUrl::fromLocalFile changes the path to file://path | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | what's annoying is that I saw that in an example | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | okay, flash time | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to use C++ signals in QML without connecting? | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | without the whole connect(rootObject, SIGNAL(), object, SLOT()) mess | 23:50 |
| thp | mgedmin: flash time! goes best with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf9rEPoc8Q | 23:55 |
| mgedmin | shame the flasher shows no progress bar for the "erasing" part | 23:56 |
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| mgedmin | heh, the flasher said "Server implements softupd protocol version 1.8" and I misread it as "implements *stupid* protocol version" | 23:56 |
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