IRC log of #harmattan for Monday, 2011-08-08

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lardmanlcuk: sorry for the slow reply, no, normally nothing or at most the phone or messages app running01:18
lardmanI need to do some more scientific investigation at some point01:19
lardmannight all01:20
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, N64?!02:39
javispedroGeneralAntilles: well, you expected Wii U? :)02:41
GeneralAntillesI'm impressed.02:41
GeneralAntilles"They do not have the resource at this  time to provide a statement giving their reasons. We can not assess what  other services may be impacted in the future."02:42
javispedroit was already on n900, but with the new specs (and specially new driver) seems that some games might enter playability realm.02:42
GeneralAntillesThat's really frightening on a number of levels.02:42
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, isn't the driver in the newer firmwares even better?02:42
javispedrono idea, I would be surprised02:43
javispedroit's good --- no sgx540, but good.02:48
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MohammadAGjavispedro, of course no keyboard won't help a lot on the N9 :P02:55
javispedro I am surprised at two things02:56
javispedroA) That people are surprised of that video.... considering there was no real work behind it :)02:56
javispedroB) That they ignore my hard work to get Multitouch support in SDL, which I've obviously done for a reason ;)02:57
javispedroah, the press :)02:57
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javispedro(well, MWKN did run the SDL story ! )02:59
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, well, is there a flashy video for the multitouch support?03:11
GeneralAntillesDoes it include Mario?03:11
GeneralAntillesDoesn't Palm use SDL for games?03:11
javispedronothing more flashy than lcuk's boobies test =)03:12
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javispedroGeneralAntilles: aha, you discovered my master plan, which is to steal the code for an overlaid joystick from any palm homebrew game =)03:15
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TermanaCalled up DHL. Annoying. My N950 has only been 25km away from me and I still have to wait for it. They've opened up a "trace" with the third party since they were meant to have it to me by the 2nd of August05:24
* SpeedEvil is still awaiting ship notification of any sort05:27
SpeedEvilOn the forumnokia order page - does the state go from 'new order' to 'shipped' or something?05:27
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GAN900Took a week for most of us.06:10
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SpeedEvilKinda expected.06:12
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, took 3 weeks, qgil had to get involved for me06:34
SpeedEvilNot stressing over it yet.06:37
SpeedEvilI'll leave it till at least tuesday before I'm refreshing the page every 5 min.06:37
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hiemanshuSpeedEvil: your launchpad has been approvedd?06:51
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hiemanshuoh, already ordered, nice06:52
TermanaDHL called me back. DHL girl was flirting with me... anyway, I know where it is now and someone is going to pick it up for me so I'll have it in a few or so hours hopefully06:52
MohammadAGDHL girls flirt? nice06:53
hiemanshuMohammadAG: anyone desperate flirts, even the girls who drop off pizza at your place06:54
TermanaMohammadAG, I should have asked for her number... oh wait maybe I guess I already have it... :p06:54
MohammadAGhiemanshu, hmm, it's only guys in IL06:54
MohammadAGoh well06:54
TermanaMohammadAG, it's the guys you have to watch out for06:55
MohammadAGTermana, only in AU :P06:55
Termanaheh :p06:55
MohammadAG7 AM06:56
MohammadAGhave to sleep, don't want to/feel like it06:57
hiemanshuMohammadAG: hah, I have flirted with so many counter girls or waitress, its fun for a while, but its meh06:57
MohammadAGhiemanshu, doesn't work well in IL unless you're sexually confused06:57
hiemanshueventually its like, meh, just pick up the sstuff and leave06:58
TermanaMohammadAG, aren't you suppose to sleep at night?06:58
hiemanshuMohammadAG: hah, yeah I can understand with all the religious laws06:58
hiemanshuTermana: sleeping at the exact time is for the weak06:58
TermanaIsn't that what people normally do when they do this thing called "sleep"06:58
Termanahiemanshu, thinking like that is why your boss pushes you around and makes you stay up late to get things done by deadlines06:59
MohammadAGhiemanshu, no, I meant it's all guys so unless you're ga... nevermind06:59
hiemanshuTermana: I am my own boss, so MEH06:59
hiemanshuMohammadAG: ah, makes sense06:59
MohammadAGTermana, yeah07:00
MohammadAGyou're "supposed" to07:00
MohammadAGyou might do something else at night too07:00
TermanaBut your much cooler than "supposed to" aren't you MohammadAG?07:00
TermanaMohammadAG, yeah, I've heard something about that. A lot of noise involved though.07:01
MohammadAGTermana, depends what you're doing07:01
TermanaI was talking about turning the TV up to it's full volume and playing vidya games what were you talking about?07:01
hiemanshuTermana: something that you might have never done before?07:04
* hiemanshu runs07:04
Termanahiemanshu, my innocent mind has no clue what you're talking about... :p07:12
hiemanshuthat explains a lot07:13
Termananasty... :p07:14
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alteregoGoat moaning08:40
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antman8969looking good npm09:40
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djszapiIt seems to be a red one until the reboot10:32
djszapiHow can I get the icons working on the application grid right after the installation ?10:32
djszapiI guess there is some icon update command or so.10:32
djszapiThat I should run from my debian postinstall script.10:32
rcgafaik the installer takes care of this10:33
djszapithere is some bug then10:33
djszapiI do remember seeing debian post install scripts running some icon update command on desktop if the packages comes with icons.10:34
rcgat least for all my packages i installed either via apt-get or directly via dpkg the debian utils ran some post install stuff which update the menu etc.10:34
djszapiohh, so they automated it.10:34
djszapiI do not know then.10:34
rcgwell.. even on the fremantle that update script was changed to a noop at some time ;)10:35
rcgat least thats my last information ;)10:35
djszapimmh, it is interesting then.10:35
rcgbut for harmattan all this runs "out of the box".. you should see the corresponding output of the implicit "post install" stuff also on the command line when using apt-get or dpkg10:36
djszapiI do not see anything relevant10:37
rcgjust a sec.10:37
djszapiahh I was wrong, it writes: Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils...10:37
rcgyeah.. these are the lines i meant :)10:38
djszapiI do not know then, why I need to reboot. I could try out to run the command manually, and see whether it works that way. (I do not know which command to run though :)10:41
rcgyes.. thats indeed strange10:42
rcgi think i had some problems when my icon files were messed up..10:43
rcgnow i use .png icons, install these to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps and refer to the icon in the .desktop file via an absolute path: Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/meepasswords.png10:45
rcgi think i also had some issue where the .desktop file got somehow automatically rewritten during the deployment step when deploying via the sdk10:47
rcgso its best to double check that the content of your installed desktop file equals the content of your .desktop file in the sdk10:48
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lardmanmorning all11:17
wazdlardman: woo :)11:17
lardmanQt daemon signal handling - do it all in main()?11:17
lardmanhi wazd11:17
lardmanwhere signal is things like hup and term11:17
wazdlardman: I know you're the right guy to ask: is it possible to make a web browser tweak so there will be an option for bookmark to be opened without navigation bar?11:18
* RST38h moos at wazd, lardman11:19
lardmanwazd: I fear I'm not the right guy to ask :) No idea, sorry11:19
lardmanhi RST38h11:19
RST38hlardman: why not write and install proper C-based signalhandlers?11:19
RST38hthese will not interfere with Qt11:20
wazdRST38h: o/11:20
lardmanRST38h: yeah that's what I'm going to do I think - all I need to is to produce an orderly shutdown of the photoanalyser daemon11:20
wazdlardman: aaaaw :( :)11:20
* RST38h is going to add one for the timer, by the way, Qt timers not running at the requested frequency11:20
lardmansorry :(11:20
lardmanRST38h: slower?11:20
RST38hLooks like some troll busybody "optimized them"11:20
RST38hlardman: in my case, faster11:20
lardmanoh really, interesting :)11:21
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RST38hlardman: but based on the discussion I overheard a while ago, they may run pretyt randomly11:21
lardmanyeah, the docs say that they won't be fast, but may be slow afair11:21
RST38hlardman: because these guys now gather timers into groups "for efficiency", while allowing for jitter11:21
RST38hlardman: the correct way would be to let th edeveloper supply desired maximal jitter value, but I have not found this feature in Qt11:22
lardmanRST38h: yeah, but I guess the assumption is that the dev doesn't need very high accuracy and that they also don't want too much complexity11:23
lardmanas you say, would be good to get access at a lower level, or at least some explanation of how it works without needing to dig through the Qt main source code11:23
lardmanQExactTimer or somesuch perhaps?11:24
djszapircg: ahhhhh11:25
djszapiso you are using absolute path ?11:25
rcgdon't ask me why.. though, i assume i had a good reason to do so ;)11:25
djszapiI am just using the icon name actually.11:25
djszapiI do not think absolute path is a good idea...11:25
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rcgwell.. as said.. _usually_ i would have had a good reason to do this.. though, i am that busy at the moment that i hardly remeber what i did last monday11:27
smokuhow do I add harmattan build target to COBS project?11:27
djszapithere is a link at the top of the add page11:28
djszapiand then choose armvel711:28
smoku  this page?11:29
djszapipick one via advanced interface.11:29
djszapiWhat is the way of building tableview with a c++ model in QML ? The issue is that there is actually no tableview element11:30
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smokudjszapi: with advanced interface I can select MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project (autocompleted), but once I select it, the Repository list is empty11:31
smoku(the edit field should change to the dropdown list, but it doesn't)11:31
djszapinot really, no11:32
djszapiyou have an architectures selection11:32
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Venemogood morning guys :)11:33
Venemohello djszapi11:33
djszapismoku does it work ?11:34
djszapiVenemo hi11:34
djszapiabout qt quick listview limitations:
smokuI do have an architectures selection11:34
smokubut the repository list is not there11:35
* lardman follows
djszapismoku: choose the architectures I said ?11:35
smokuso i clicked "Add repository" and got the message "Build targets were added successfully" and nothing, I still don't have harmattan in Repository Configuration screen11:37
smokudoes anyone know what repositories are valid for MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan Project? maybe if I enter one manually it will work?11:38
djszapiI do not understand your problem11:38
* lardman is happy to see that Debian packaging will automatically install init scripts, good11:39
djszapiexcept that they are not valid....11:39
djszapisince harmattan uses upstart...11:39
djszapiso it is a very bad thingy...11:39
lardmaninit.d is extant though11:39
djszapiharmattan uses upstart period11:39
djszapiuse /etc/init/apps/11:40
djszapismoku: just add it seriously11:40
djszapiand you can start adding packages...11:40
lardmanthanks djszapi11:40
djszapido not complicate it over :)11:40
* lardman does some Googling11:40
kimjualso, if writing upstart jobs, see thread at maemo-developers:
smokudjszapi: OBS needs three things to configure a build repository:  project to build for, repository in that project (usually 'standard') and a name for build repository (+ architectures to build for in the new repository)11:41
djszapiso what ?11:41
lardmandjszapi: does dh_installinit handle this?11:41
Venemo~seen rzr11:41
infobotrzr <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 49m 13s ago, saying: 'as someone a backup of win7 ?'.11:41
kimjuthe messages from Tuomo Tanskanen contain needed info..11:41
djszapilardman: well, nope11:42
smokudjszapi: my problem is that it looks like there is a project 'MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan' configured on COBS, but it does not have any repositories configured11:42
lardmanthanks kimju11:42
djszapibut I have one example package if you are interested in that...11:42
djszapismoku: what ?11:42
djszapismoku: sorry, I think you overcomplicate11:42
lardmandjszapi: I just saw this and wondered if our version supported these options:
djszapifill out the input fields with data whatever you want.11:42
djszapichoose armv7el as I said.11:43
djszapiand be happy11:43
smokuit does not work11:43
djszapilardman: you also want to eliminate the old init script11:43
smokuit does not add a repo to my project11:43
lardmanyeah I will do11:43
djszapiI have never seen anybody not working11:43
smokumaybe cobs is borked again :/11:44
djszapiI do not think so11:44
djszapiseems a pebkac to me11:44
smokucould you verify that it works for you at this moment?11:44
djszapiI have just tried to add a new one on my two laptops in front of me, worked oob...11:44
djszapiIt is a bit sad, we do not have proper TableView support in QtQuick 1.111:45
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smokuok. it started filling the Repository field now with the name (It's MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard) and I could finally add a repo11:49
smokuthanks to whoever fixed it :)11:49
Venemodjszapi, so, you said that you'd use telepathy-idle. could you please tell me what advantages it has?11:51
djszapismoku: you fixed it for yourself by doing well ?11:53
djszapiVenemo: nope sorry11:53
djszapiI am making video recording at the desktop summit11:53
djszapikinda busy :)11:54
lardmanis the aegis-exec stuff required in a 3rd party upstart script?11:54
djszapidepends on the use case11:54
djszapiVenemo: one advantage is that a whole company is behind that11:55
djszapinot a leisure time stuff11:55
djszapiand well...telepathy is targetted these use cases.11:55
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wazdthp: hehe, awesome posts :P11:58
lardmananyone got a link to how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in both a Qt pro file and the debian/rules?12:02
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MohammadAGlardman, see the wiki page on porting applications to harmattan for the pro file part12:12
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rcgwazd: i do not mean to be a smartass.. but i assume you mean "hard working" instead of "hardly working" in your forum post:
wazdf*ck, yep :D12:17
wazdSorry for that :)12:17
wazdme inglish is steel rather pur :D12:18
rcgwell.. np.. i just thought that in this context it might be worth to bother you with that ;) .. well, if i think about this the typo should be quite obvious in that conext anyhow :)12:19
wazdyeah, thanks for that :)12:20
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thpwazd: :)12:25
cpscottihey people, anyone using/used the QML map component out there? Apparently the zoomLevel ( property can only hold integers.. pretty rubbish! Am I missing something?12:35
RST38hIt is zoom level, not zoom ratio12:37
RST38hBasically sets the level in the hierarchy of qudtrees from which you will get your map tiles12:38
lardmanMohammadAG: ah yes, thanks for reminding me12:41
MohammadAGif only we could write our own vibra patters for the N9/5012:42
lardmanMohammadAG: is the "final SDK" out yet, or do we still need to define our own?12:43
MohammadAGnope, not out yet afaik12:44
lardmancool, thanks12:46
* lardman wonders why the define is MEEGO_EDITION_HARMATTAN rather than Q_WS_something12:46
lardmanI guess WS is for window server12:46
* Venemo would thing WS is for window system12:47
Venemosuch as, Q_WS_X1112:47
lardmanyeah, but interesting that we have Q_WS_Maemo_512:48
Venemosomeone made a mistake12:48
lardmanfair enough :)12:48
Venemothat should have been Q_OS_MAEMO_512:48
dm8tbrjftr: 08:30:25< veskuh> dm8tbr: I think we are still trying to get (a)GPS also on N95012:50
dm8tbrthat is about MeeGo CE12:50
MohammadAGanyone good at mtd mounting?12:50
lardmanargh, bloody Gnome filemanager12:51
lardmancan't open a .desktop file for editting and when I try to tack .txt on the end it decides to tack another .desktop on the end12:51
lardmangrumble grumble12:52
lardmanvi it is12:52
cpscottiRST38h, yeah, I imagined something like that.. The prob is that as far as "the user" is concerned, that's a pretty bad zoom..12:53
cpscottiRST38h, I guess we need like two "levels" of zoom, on just changing the object's scale and then when that gets too big/small, changing the zoomLevel12:54
RST38hWell you are not supposed to present this to the user as zoom12:54
RST38hBecause it is "zoom" in Google Maps sense not in real magnifier sense12:55
MohammadAGno one?12:56
MohammadAGI need to mount a rootfs.jffs212:56
lardmandoes one need to use invoker in a .desktop file exec line?12:57
cpscottiRST38h, yep.. that's what I'm working on.. let's see how it goes (I'm putting a big map inside a Flickable and then reimplementing all that in there.. looks good so far :d)12:57
dm8tbrMohammadAG: I think there was a fake mtd kernel module12:58
lardmanMohammadAG: instructions here too if that's what you''re after
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MohammadAGlardman, on the last step I got mount: /tmp/mtdblock0: can't read superblock13:01
lardmanis it actually jffs2?13:01
lardmanor is the partition wrong?13:01
MohammadAGlardman, same as the N900's rootfs.jffs2, it's actually an UBI image13:02
MohammadAG this should work but13:03
lcukmorning guys n gals \o13:03
lardmanMohammadAG: I'm afraid I don't know then13:03
lardmanmorning lcuk13:03
lardmanI've got to go, need to drive Holly into town, bbl13:03
MohammadAGI have a custom image that's big, so it says Out of space13:03
VenemoMohammadAG, custom image?13:04
MohammadAGyeah, made it myself13:05
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Venemoall right, I'll get back to my IRC client13:09
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wazdmeanwhile, some more design brainstorming for you :)
wazdwhat do you think?13:12
lcukwazd, ahh a detailed view of today!13:15
Venemolcuk, have you checked out the GUI of the to-be-ircclient?13:17
lcukVenemo, yes13:17
lcukI downloaded the deb antman made13:18
Venemolcuk, do you have an opinion about it? or any suggestions? (apart from "finish it already!")13:18
lcukthe portrait channel changers look nice with only a couple of chans13:18
lcukbut would be frustrating I feel with more13:19
Venemoyou mean the sidebar or the dialog?13:19
Venemohow would you make it non-frustrating?13:21
Venemobtw, contrary to what I thought at first, the dialog could be a lot easier to use for channel switching than the sidebar13:22
lcuki don't know, just add a couple more channels on there and see13:22
Venemowell, I understand that it could be frustrating, but it's the least frustrating way that I could think of.13:23
lcukfor sure13:24
lcukhence add a few more and see how they look13:25
lcukwith only 3 it is perhaps13:25
lcukit *looks* good13:25
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Venemobut the trouble is, what other way is there which could work well for 10+ channels13:26
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rm_worklcuk: yo13:39
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lcukhey rm_work \o13:43
lcukhow are you doing with your n950?13:43
rm_workpretty decent13:43
rm_workthe phone started working again13:43
rm_workwhich is good13:43
rm_worklcuk: was the rioting over there as big a deal as people have been making it in the news?13:43
lcukdunno, got other things to concentrate on13:45
Venemowell lcuk, it doesn't get any frustrating with more channels13:49
Venemolcuk, it takes a flick + a tap13:50
lcukVenemo, small and fiddly flick13:50
lcuk== accidental tap13:50
VenemoI could help that by making the bar a bit wider.13:51
lcukVenemo, it looks nice13:51
lcukjust keep with it13:51
lcukand see how it works when backend operating13:51
rm_workscreenshots of the irc client thing somewhere?13:52
Venemorm_work, not any recent ones13:54
Venemolcuk, no, I think it is tiresome to flick this thin bar. not to mention that it occasionally triggers swipe to think that it's a swipe13:55
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Venemolcuk, also, my finding is that the dialog (which also supports search filtering) works better as the number of channels increase13:57
lcukVenemo, irc clients have a channel search which has thousands of channels13:58
Venemolcuk, this is not that kind of channel search.13:58
Venemolcuk, this is just a searchable list of open channels.13:58
MohammadAGI wish the contacts app would have that sidebar scrolling with A-Z sorting when I'm offline with sorting set to by availability13:59
TermanaWOOOO. I finally have my N950!!!111!!!oneonetwo114:04
TronicI cannot figure out how to setup Qt Simulator to work with a Harmattan project.14:04
TronicI have N9 on Qt Simulator and it works fine on a Meego project but then I won't be able to use the Harmattan widgets.14:04
TronicWhat should I do?14:05
VenemoTermana, congrats :)14:06
VenemoTronic, Qt Simulator is a piece o' crap that can't be used for anything productive14:06
TronicSo am I stuck with using actual hardware?14:08
MohammadAGTermana, I expect 249 people to start singing by tomorrow14:10
TermanaIt didn't come with a headset, I have to fish one out of my N900's box :p14:12
TronicYou might want to buy a new one, with more buttons.14:13
TronicWorks with N950, not with N900 (even though the package claims that all Nokia phones with 3.5 mm jack are supported).14:13
TronicNot sure if the N900 headset works with N950, probably does but I never tried.14:14
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DocScrutinizermeh, hi again14:16
lcukDocScrutinizer, morning!14:17
lcukthe /sys branch you mentioned to use the magnetometer14:17
lcukit requires root permissions for reading14:17
lcukie, a user app cannot directly utilise it14:17
wazdTermana: congrats :)14:17
* lcuk tested14:17
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: ask aegis14:18
lcukDocScrutinizer, general permissions issue14:18
lcukdon't think it is aegis?14:18
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'm only here for chanop purposes and to have a highlight and alarm on "killed aegis"14:19
lcukDocScrutinizer, ahhh, I thought you were here to try and improve harmattan14:20
DocScrutinizerharmattan with aegis is fubar14:20
RST38hDoc: Do you have fireworks set up to fire on that alarm?14:20
DocScrutinizeryes, but not automatically14:21
DocScrutinizerI love to fire fireworks manually14:21
rm_workDocScrutinizer: so you've seriously given up doing anything, because aegis is being mean sometimes? :/14:21
DocScrutinizeralso avoids false positives14:21
DocScrutinizerI've postponed any development on harmattan to a time when aegis stopped to annoy14:22
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ask djszapi about the obsolete idea of "root" on a MSSF system. Your app needs tokens, not root14:23
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RST38hyea, right14:24
RST38ha token, sure...14:24
RST38hNo use arguing with these people, just waterboard the way to access the real root from them14:25
RST38hBecause, whatever they say, there is still going to be a real root in the system, in order to keep it ticking =)14:26
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RST38hmust go into a standard handset to become useful14:32
alteregoRST38h: sure, :)14:32
VenemoDocScrutinizer, in that case, install MeeGo CE on your N950 and begin making USB hostmode for that14:33
RST38halso looks very slow, not sure what part is to blame for it though14:33
VenemoDocScrutinizer, we will need a suitable OS once Harmattan dies14:33
DocScrutinizer(only here...) I also announce the exception of general rule and allow myself to have /ignores on this chan, despite +o14:33
alteregoRST38h: it's got it's own crappy OS14:34
alteregoBased on Windows CE14:34
DocScrutinizerVenemo: that's somewhat my plan, yes14:34
alteregoI want one to put MeeGo on it.14:34
RST38hthat does it14:34
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VenemoDocScrutinizer :)14:34
alteregoIt does have a composite input, so we could hook in a Nokia, but then, touch screen may be out of the question there :/14:34
alteregoOh, it boasts USB OTG, I wonder if it can export a HID interface via that ..14:37
alteregoHas WiFi too ..14:37
Venemoalterego, what are you talking about?14:38
MohammadAGtbh, I find it useless14:39
MohammadAGfind this more interesting
alteregoMohammadAG: is that scht downloadable?14:42
MohammadAGalterego, not that I know of :(14:43
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alteregoI may give someone an email ;)14:44
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trxhow do i make use of the bottom bar (toolbar) without using QML in apps?14:51
trxare there any examples anywhere?14:52
lcukDocScrutinizer, your observation that magnetometer is blocked by aegis would be true if the sys branch were also not readable by root14:54
DocScrutinizerlcuk: on TC systems like harmattan _every_ permission issue is related to the security framework14:55
trxnot the aegis again :(14:55
rm_worklcuk: i solved a similar problem on 770 with the backlight node not being writable, by adding a script in my postinst to chmod the darn thing, which is possible since at install-time it has root :P14:55
lcuklol rm_work14:56
rm_worklcuk: what? it *works* :P14:56
lcukhey no complaints14:56
* lcuk tries similar14:56
rm_workso, try that :P14:56
DocScrutinizerlcuk: look, if this was a *normal* unix system, I had 2 or 3 suggestions how to tackle the issue in a bets-practice conforming way. Alas on THIS system they are all moot or I simply CBA to find out how to implement them14:56
rm_workshould solve it14:56
mgedminrm_work, chmod a file in /sys? what happens when you reboot?14:56
rm_workmgedmin: i think it stayed14:57
mgedminthat's unpossible14:57
rm_workit may have been in /proc14:57
mgedminsame virtual thing14:57
rm_workyeah that one was in /proc14:57
rm_workit worked14:57
rm_worklet me see if maybe i added something else14:57
DocScrutinizerchanging group of the sysnode in question being just one of those methods14:57
mgedminan upstart script to do the chmod on boot?14:57
rm_worklooking at my svn14:58
DocScrutinizeryou need to change the perissions and ownership of sysnodes at creation time14:58
DocScrutinizermeans in driver, or by driver parameters14:58
DocScrutinizeror in udev rule14:58
rm_workAH yep14:59
DocScrutinizerall not accessable thanks aegis14:59
mgedminso, how does the Qt Mobility API let apps access the magnetometer?14:59
rm_workmgedmin / lcuk: ^^14:59
mgedminthrough a system daemon of some kind?14:59
mgedminI didn't notice any fancy-shmancy aegis manifests in qmlcompass14:59
rm_workyeah i made a service14:59
rm_workand added it to rc.d14:59
rm_worklcuk: same should work for you14:59
mgedminnote that fremantle does not support rc.d15:00
rm_workwell yes'15:00
rm_workbut same concept15:00
mgedminnot sure about harmattan; I assume the same15:00
rm_workthis was only for 77015:00
DocScrutinizerin fact user processes are simply not supposed to access /sys15:00
rm_worki did all sorts of horrible hacks in some of my packages15:01
DocScrutinizeryou frequently create a *device* driver for that, that creates a proper /dev/* and mirrors to sysnodes or whatever15:01
DocScrutinizeror you have a service (see locationlib) that you access via any means (dbus... whatever) and that service (usually called middleware, or framework) does the access to sysnodes15:03
DocScrutinizerQtM completely fals on adopting this concept afaik15:03
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Ronksumgedmin: qtmobility API gets sensor data from sensord15:12
rm_worklcuk: i guess there's your answer? sensord?15:17
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faenilhi guys :)15:18
faenilI'm trying to compile something for harmattan15:18
faenilbut I get com.meego not installed15:18
faenilI installed Harmattan support in QtCreator15:18
lcukDocScrutinizer, rm_work - it is permissions only and you are right that there should be a device.15:21
DocScrutinizerI know, but thanks anyway :-D15:21
lcukand yes, using qtm for reading is right15:21
faenilcan anybody help me?15:24
faenilI created wizard harmattan qml application15:24
faeniland added Desktop and Harmattan as targets15:24
faenilbut it doesn't build for desktop15:25
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lcukfaenil, qml is not cross platform compatible!15:34
lcukwrite a new ux for the desktop15:34
faeniloh I see...15:36
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alteregoCool, got some nice QML drag&drop stuff now :)15:37
faenilqml is not crossplatform compatible...that misses the whole Qt ideal...15:37
Venemofaenil, QML is, qt-components isn't.15:38
alteregoYeah, don't see any ifdefs in QML ..15:38
faenilisn't yet maybe?15:38
Venemofaenil, however, it is still 80% compatible between MeeGo and Symbian15:38
faenilokay I guess I'll scratch components off :)15:39
lcukalterego, what are you tinkering with?15:39
faenilI'll receive the N950 in ten days, can't use QEmu till then :)15:39
alteregolcuk: hang on, I'm gonna upload a video15:39
lcukdrag and drop is something touchscreens are not so great at15:39
alteregoThis works well, for what it's designed to do ;)15:40
lcuk(try qt creator o na capacitive display, drag new item from toolbar onto ui)15:40
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Venemofaenil, in fact, since every platform has its own distinct appearance, it's only fair that they have different components.15:40
faenilsure it is15:41
Venemofaenil, if you want to have one common appearance between platforms, then you can still use about 80% of components (since most platforms have a button or textfield)15:41
Venemofaenil, or if you want to ensure 100% cross-platformness, then you should use "pure" QML, but that is so hard that I wouldn't bother with it.15:42
faenilbut I don't think wizard qml app is using meego-only components15:42
Venemonever tried15:43
lcukalterego, nice, but does that depend upon perfect touchscreen?15:49
alteregoNo, why would it?15:50
alteregoThat app I'm working on the exo15:50
alteregoPress and hold initiates the drag15:50
alteregoIt was suprisingly fiddly to get drag and drop to work in QML ..15:51
TermanaDoes anyone know an easy way to get the names of the pulseaudio sinks/sources on the N950?15:51
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Venemofiferboy, I think that we should forget this idea about the SelectionDialog with a filtering text field.16:15
Venemofiferboy, I simply can't find a good way to make it look good with the VKB in landscape16:15
Venemofiferboy, I think frals was right and I'll make a sheet for this purpose.16:15
fiferboyVenemo: I solved the performance issue by setting a property "filterText" (alias to searchField.text)16:17
fiferboyThen I can do model filtering on it - much, much faster16:17
fiferboyAnd turning of the preedit text helps too16:17
Venemofiferboy, I'm not talking about the perf issue now, but I'd obviously like to have a look at your code :)16:18
Venemofiferboy, in landscape mode when the text box is focused, the VKB just covers too much of the screen16:18
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fiferboyVenemo: That is a problem with _anything_ using the VKB in ladscape16:21
Venemofiferboy, yes. but using "normal" GUI elements, they just resize themselves16:22
Venemofiferboy, however the dialog can not do this. not even anchors.fill: parent or height:parent.height or any way, it won't resize itself.16:22
Venemothere is also no way to progmatically check for the VKB's presence.16:22
fiferboyVenemo: Ah, good point16:22
fiferboyI really don't want to use a sheet, though, since I am calling the dialog from a sheet already16:23
Venemoit there were, I would just hardcode it to shrink when the VKB is present.,16:23
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Venemoa sheet can open another sheet :)16:23
fiferboyI was looking for ways to detect when the VKB opened a while back but couldn't find any16:23
fiferboyVenemo: I know it can (and I have) but it gets pretty laborious16:23
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Venemofiferboy, not necessarily,why?16:25
fiferboyIn my program I open a sheet to get to the settings (which already has to be explicitly dismissed), then when I offer a selectiong it will open another sheet (hopefully dismissable by selecting an item)?16:26
fiferboyAnd I have call for at _least_ 5 selection dialogs, more depending on the number of entries the user has16:26
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faenilQtComponents building from sources fails..16:30
faenilcomponenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _16:30
faenilcomponenttest.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual _16:30
faenil_cdecl SettingsWindow::~SettingsWindow(void)" (??1SettingsWindow@@UEAA@XZ) refer16:31
faenilenced in main function16:31
faenilthat's the error16:31
fiferboyfaenil: Building from git in scratchbox?16:31
faenilbuilding from git with msvc16:31
fiferboyIt worked for me in scratchbox five days ago16:32
faeniloh but my fault16:32
faenilI only build Qt for desktop16:32
faenilthat must be the reason16:32
faenilis configure -meego enough to configure for building whole Qt for harmattan?16:33
fiferboyfaenil: Check the build steps in debian/rules16:34
fiferboyThose the the steps I used16:34
wazdnow the only damn problem with weather for harmattan is where to put that goddamn settings button16:34
fiferboywazd: In the settings applications?16:34
faenilfiferboy: where?16:35
wazdfiferboy: hmmmmmmmm16:36
Venemofiferboy, hm16:36
Venemofiferboy, yeah, I also used a Sheet for settings in memory-game16:36
wazdfiferboy: didn't think of that actually :P16:36
fiferboyfaenil: qt-components/debian/rules16:36
Venemofiferboy, however I noticed that a Sheet still works within its Page's context, so all toolbar items from the page are still visible. so I need to take into account for those buttons' behaviour whether the settings is open or not.16:37
faeniloh k16:37
faenilI meant compiling Qt, not components16:37
fiferboywazd: It makes sense for an application that works like a system app16:37
wazdfiferboy: you think it would be user-friendly?16:37
Venemofiferboy, so for the IRC client, I'm using a Page for settings.16:37
fiferboyfaenil: Ah! Sorry, I'm no help then I gave up building Qt a year ago16:37
fiferboyVenemo: I think I may convert to that (my settings were a lot simpler when I started :) )16:38
Venemofiferboy, for example, it looked odd when I opened the menu on top of the settings sheet. so then I made settings close when the menu opens and menu close when settings opens.16:38
Venemoalso, starting/surrendering the game while in the settings felt really bad.16:39
fiferboyVenemo: Something has happened to sheet in the latest builds too.  Doesn't go to the top of the screen anymore16:39
Venemofiferboy, it only goes to the top if it is a "global" sheet16:39
Venemofiferboy, if it's owned by a Page, it never does that16:40
Venemonot by default anyway.16:40
Venemoand I don't use the latest builds.16:40
fiferboyVenemo: Ah, maybe that is the issue (although you can set the visualParent it doesn't seem to help)16:40
wazdfiferboy: I know that came from the iOS16:41
fiferboywazd: The thing I would worry about is whether users would know it is there16:42
fiferboyIt _seems_ like a good place, but how will they know to look there?16:43
Venemofiferboy, setting the visualParent helped it for me.16:43
fiferboyVenemo: To what? The pageStackWindow?16:43
Venemoto the Page16:43
Venemowazd, maybe a good solution is to make your settings accessible from both your app and the settings app.16:43
Venemonot sure if the API for the latter is documented.16:44
wazdfiferboy: yep, that' exactly what I'm pondering about16:44
fiferboyVenemo: I think I tried that, and I think it worked with 1.0 but not 1.116:44
fiferboyI will try again, though16:44
wazdVenemo: yep, but then the question is still here: where to place that damn settings button? :D16:44
fiferboywazd: Have it floating in the middle of the screen pulsating gently16:45
* RST38h almost got the file selection page done16:46
RST38hExcept the fact that QtComponents file list component does not provide data on the file size, modification date, or mime type16:47
RST38hAnd the SPARQL Qtcomponent is missing from the device16:47
Venemowazd, I place it into my toolbar, but you could also place it into the menu.16:47
VenemoRST38h, why don't you write some C++ to handle that16:47
fiferboyRST38h: Yeah, I had to write my own model with that information in it :(16:48
RST38hVenemo: I can write this completely in C++. Why would I need QML then, though?16:49
VenemoRST38h, QML is only good for GUI development, but it sucks for anything else.16:49
Venemothis is my opinion.16:50
RST38hVenemo,fiferboy: Anyone knows the author of the QML file list component? Maybe we can ask him add these two properties?16:50
Venemomaybe we can.16:50
Venemoask away in #qt-components or just report a bug for them16:50
RST38hVenemo: Well, given that QML is also royal asspain to interface with C/C++, your statement can be rephrased as "sucks for anything"16:50
RST38hVenemo; Because let us be honest: an application is rarely "just UI"16:51
* RST38h goes to raid #qt-components16:51
fiferboyRST38h: Wait, there is an official file list component?16:52
RST38hfiferboy: yes :)16:52
RST38hfiferboy: funny, isn't it? :)16:52
* fiferboy wonders how he missed this16:52
fiferboyRST38h: But lacking in the file info department?16:53
RST38hfiferboy: the documentation for this qml stuff is very lacking16:53
RST38hfiferboy: yes somewhat16:53
wazdVenemo, fiferboy: i thought it would be cool to use that fancy "pull to update" feature
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fiferboywazd: You pull down and release to update?16:58
wazdfiferboy: yep16:58
fiferboyI find that useful on, for example, the Android Twitter client16:58
wazdfiferboy: yeah, neat trick, I should have thought of that :D16:59
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RST38hwazd: BTW, is the OMWeather app for Harmattan already available?17:03
RST38hNow I am17:03
wazdRST38h: no, but we're working on it atm :)17:03
fiferboyRST38h: I have an OBS repo I use for public stuff and a server with debs (but no repo structure) for testing17:03
RST38hfiferboy: I need some place to put binary only packages to17:04
fiferboyRST38h: Most of my testing work is in gitorious (when I remember to push it)17:04
fiferboyRST38h: You could always use dropbox17:04
RST38hfiferboy: Was going to create a repo at Komkon, but it looks like FreeBSD isn't the easiest platform to create a deb repo at =)17:04
RST38hfiferbot: Oh, I can just use but than there will not be way to autoupdate17:05
fiferboyRST38h: Yeah, I don't have a way to autoupdate my test apps either17:05
wazdRST38h: anyway I want to have something working on 21st17:06
RST38hwazd: Same here17:09
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RST38hwazd: The AlmostTI thing is working nicely BTW, but I wanted to ask you to redo the TI84+SE template17:09
RST38hwazd: It has got a vertical offset. Doable to fix?17:10
* Termana bashes head against wall17:13
wazdRST38h: sure, I also wanted to remake the main menu17:13
wazdRST38h: if you don't mind17:13
RST38hwazd: If you fill like it, go ahead17:13
Venemowazd, the image loads quite slowly on my cellular connecton17:13
RST38hwazd: I am totally ok with it17:13
RST38hwazd: Do keep in mind that the top corners are used for exiting menu / exiting app17:14
wazdRST38h: yep17:14
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GAN900RST38h, have your N950 adventures gotten any more productive?17:27
fiferboyVenemo: Have you looked as Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged?17:27
Venemofiferboy, noooooooo17:28
Venemofiferboy, what does it do?17:28
fiferboyVenemo: Looks like what we want, but I'm not sure how to correctly access the Screen element in WorkingSelectionDialog17:28
fiferboyTells you when the VKB is open :)17:28
Venemohmhm :)17:28
Venemois there something that tells me the width/height of the screen?17:29
fiferboyVenemo: So there is Screen.onKeyboardOpenChanged we can listen for17:29
fiferboy(in 1.1, I think just Screen.height in 1.0)17:29
Venemothat solves this17:29
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Venemofiferboy, there is also Screen.keyboardOpen17:30
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Venemobut... I still see no way to make it elegant17:31
Venemoin landscape mode, this will still eat most of the screen space17:31
Venemoa pity that we can't check for the height of the VKB17:32
Venemofiferboy, both Screen.height and Screen.displayHeight is undefined17:35
fiferboyVenemo: Yeah, you can't access it through "Screen" but have to use the context property "screen" (and then only within a function or comparison I believe)17:39
Venemoit's not good enough17:39
fiferboyAlmost a solution :)17:39
Venemobut still most of the dialog is hidden... :(17:40
fiferboyThat'll be a problem even with a sheet in landscape17:40
VenemoScreen.keyboardOpen doesn't seem to work17:41
fiferboyscreen.keyboardOpen does (within a function)17:41
fiferboyWe could do height: (screen.keyboardOpen) ? 100 : 30017:42
fiferboyOr whatever17:42
fiferboyI guess it would have to be based on oreintation too o_O17:42
Venemothe "right" way would be if we could make sure that the dialog's height is the screen's height maybe17:43
Venemoand then we could do it with less voodoo17:43
Venemoand screen.keyboardOpen tells whether the hw keyboard is open, NOT whether the VKB is open17:43
fiferboyYou're right, even though the description clearly states VKB17:45
fiferboyMaybe it works on the N9?17:45
fiferboyWorks beautifully for hardware KB, though :)17:47
Venemoscreen.height and screen.width don't change when the orientation changed17:47
fiferboyVenemo: Nope.  And doesn't look like they change when the VKB is up either17:48
fiferboy(or do they?)17:48
fiferboySo basically we are back to no way of knowing if the VKB is showing :|17:49
Venemothis is the 2nd time today when I just lean on Ctrl+Z after I've tried something about this issue.17:54
fiferboyJust did that too :/17:54
Venemoa Sheet will be the ultimate solution, methinks17:55
fiferboyUnfortunately, yes :(17:55
tommahow about inputContext.softwareInputPanelVisible and inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect17:58
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fiferboyWhat is this magic?!18:00
fiferboytomma: You just saved the day!18:00
fiferboyVenemo: What toma said works :D18:00
wazdsettings, settings, bloody settings...18:01
infobotfiferboy meant: Venemo: What tomma said works :D18:01
* wazd 's starring at the screen :(18:01
Venemowut did he say?18:03
Venemotomma, you've saved the day18:03
Venemofiferboy, wanna send me a patch when you're done? :P18:04
fiferboyVenemo: Will do18:04
fiferboyI also added in the non-predictive text18:04
fiferboyBut I have removed the filtering within the dialog itself18:05
tommai want to disable window scaling for VKB....18:05
tommawhen VKB opens it my Ui is scaled so it fits in screen with keyboard18:06
tommaone way would be using flickabe as container...18:06
fiferboytomma: Yeah, flickable is the only solution I have found for that18:07
Venemowell, this behaviour is generally good18:08
fiferboyVenemo: This is going to be a very messy height statement (dependany on orientation and VKB)18:11
Venemofiferboy, what way have you found to take orientation into consideration?18:12
fiferboy(inPortrait) ? Math.Min(blahbalhbalh) : 30018:13
VenemoinPortrait? is there such a property? :o18:15
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vladestwhere to look for coredumps on n950?18:22
mgedmin/home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps, maybe?18:23
vladesthmm. empty18:25
vladest /home/developer/MyDocs/core-dumps empty too18:27
faenildo I need to enable OpenGL manually for qtquick3d?18:27
mgedminyou need to run ulimit -c unlimited18:27
mgedminand then run your segfaulting app from the same shell18:28
mgedminto get a core dump18:28
faenilI get "Gl graphics system is not active"18:28
fiferboyVenemo: There sure it, and I make good use of it :)18:29
Venemofiferboy :)18:30
vladestmgedmin: 10x!18:30
fiferboyVenemo: But it looks like it only works in pageStack18:30
Venemofiferboy, meh.18:30
fiferboyVenemo: I'll have to use the screen orientation properties18:30
Venemonah, I think I'll forget using SelectionDialog this way18:30
VenemoI will later implement a Sheet for searching purposes.18:31
fiferboyVenemo: The problem is, a selection dialog *without* a filter works beautifully as a dialog18:31
fiferboyI want my filterable selections to match the look18:31
fiferboyAnd I think we are *very* close :)18:32
Venemowell... dunno... I'll use your code when you come up with something.18:32
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wazd <- suggestions? :)18:37
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mgedminwazd, *drool*18:38
fiferboywazd: I want that now :)18:39
CaCO3hi all18:39
faenilguys I created a Harmattan wizard app and selected Desktop and Harmattan as targets18:40
CaCO3anybody can give me a hint how to get root acces (local or via ssh) on the N950?18:40
faenilnow how can I use Qt3D and QtQuick3D on it18:40
faenilwhich dir should I add to include?18:40
CaCO3I tried devel-su with rootme, but this seems not to be working18:41
faenilit says qdeclarativeview3d.h not found18:41
faenilI built both Qt and QtQuick3D from sources yesterday18:41
mgedminCaCO3, it should have worked18:41
mgedminalternative: ssh root@localhost, password rootme18:41
CaCO3Tried that as well, get always: permission denied18:42
CaCO3Might it have changed when I connected it to Qt Creator?18:42
CaCO3As I understand it oses another user: developer18:43
mgedminthe SDK connectivity tool uses a 'developer' user account18:43
mgedminit doesn't change the root password18:43
CaCO3yup, I understand it the same way18:44
CaCO3so how can the password be different when I even never gained root access?? :(18:44
mgedminhmm... can you check if settings -> security -> developer mode is set to ON?18:44
CaCO3yup, its on18:44
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CaCO3I ssh-ed with developer and can read out the passwd file. Could I retreive the password with jack ?18:45
mgedminwhat does the hash look like?18:46
fiferboyVenemo: Sizing dependant on orientation ad VKB is working18:46
mgedminoh crap, I can't compare, since I've changed my root password18:46
mgedmincan you run devel-su as developer?18:46
Venemofiferboy, nice :)18:46
faenilcan anybody help me?18:46
CaCO3yup, but also sais incorrect password18:47
fiferboyfaenil: Sorry, I don't know about Qt3D18:47
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VenemoCaCO3, reflash.18:48
CaCO3hmm, thats an option, but I would like to solve it the hacker way :)18:48
fiferboyfaenil: You might want to ask in one Qt channels18:48
mgedminCaCO3, that looks like a simple ancient tripple-DES crypt hash that ought to be easy to brute-force18:51
mgedmin(although I've never done that myself and can't share experience)18:51
mgedminincidentally, can anybody who _hasn't_ changed the root password compare the hash in /etc/passwd with CaCO3's?18:51
CaCO3that would be great :)18:52
CaCO3I am actually wondering if I could use the one from scratchbox and if it also should be rootme18:52
mgedminI wish I knew how to extract the firmware image from the single-click flasher18:52
mgedminand then how to mount it18:52
lardmanfor harmattan .pro files, is there a contains() function that can be used to conditionally add elements?18:53
fiferboyVenemo: Not much change, actually. Fixes sizing with VKB and performance (but you have to link filterText to a model filter)18:53
Venemofiferboy, why did you delete height: visible ? selectorDialog.platformStyle.itemHeight : 0 ?18:55
fiferboyVenemo: That is the cause of the performance issue on large lists18:55
Venemobut otherwise it will leave empty space18:55
Venemoin the place of non-visible items18:56
fiferboyVenemo: If filtering in place, yes18:56
fiferboyI took out the in-place filtering for this version (feel free to just take the sizing changes)18:56
Venemoand then how do you filter?18:56
fiferboyVenemo: I wrote an accessor function to my filter model (setFilterText) that applies the text18:57
fiferboyAnd call that accessor in onFilterTextChanged18:57
Venemoso you use a custom model for this purpose18:57
Venemofiferboy, oh, something that I've added to mine since then:18:58
lardmanthoughts on how to differentiate between harmattan and fremantle in the debian/rules file?18:59
Venemolardman, you could use something similar to
fiferboyVenemo: I removed the searchField.text = "" because it screwed up the selectedIndex for me (I thought)19:00
fiferboyI take it it works for you?19:00
lardmanVenemo: I'll take a look, thanks19:01
Venemolardman, you should check for something else instead of dpkg origins19:02
Venemofiferboy, of course it screws, since your model changes. for me, the model remains the same, the items only become invisible :P19:03
fiferboyVenemo: Exactly19:04
lardmanVenemo: I guess I could check the output of some file in the fs19:04
Venemofiferboy, I'm talking about searchField.forceActiveFocus();19:04
fiferboyI guess I could clear it on open for the same affect19:04
Venemolardman, yeah, although I don't know of a suitable one.19:04
fiferboyVenemo: Yes, I just remembered the other change when I saw that :)19:04
Venemofiferboy :)19:04
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Venemofiferboy, anyway, as I come to think of it, I may remove this addition. since the user doesn't necessarily want to type.19:05
fiferboyVenemo: I was just testing and came to this conclusion :)19:05
lardmancat /proc/cpuinfo should work as it has hw info19:07
Venemolardman, nope19:07
lardmanwhy not?19:07
Venemolardman, people usually don't build packages on their devices.19:07
lardmanoh crap, forgot it was build time not runtime19:08
lardmanin which case iirc there's some maemo-version package that installs a file under /etc19:08
Venemois there maemo-version in Harmattan?19:08
lardmanyeah some equivalent, let me look19:09
Venemofiferboy, the height hack works, thank you :)19:09
fiferboyVenemo: Excellent!19:10
fiferboyI think it is all working properly for me with the filtering and the height (height could be a bit more elegant, like screen.height - inputContext.softwareInputPanelRect.height19:11
Venemoindeed, if only screen.height wasn't undefined.19:12
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fiferboyscreen.displayHeight works (I think) in 1.119:13
fiferboyBut it needs to be corrected for orientation :(19:13
VenemoI do use QtQuick 1.1 and it does not.19:13
fiferboyWell, that's just annoying19:14
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lardmanI've not seen any changes mentioned to the location of the DBus service files, anyone know of any?19:17
fiferboyVenemo: screen.displayHeight works for me19:17
fiferboyIt returns 480(!) regardless of orientation19:17
kimjufiferboy, there seems to be odd hacks for size/orientation here and there..19:29
Venemohiemanshu, ping19:30
fiferboykimju: That looks like gesture direction based on orientation19:34
fiferboyI already do lots of orientation dependant calculations, this just has an extra variable (VKB) to facotr in :)19:34
fiferboykimju: But I have come to accept that orientationchanges are meant to make interface deisgn miserable :D19:37
kimjuand I patched the meego-terminal to have an option to ignore the orientation changes and stay locked in either landscape or portrait.19:38
kimjuthe rotation/resizing was getting annoying..19:39
fiferboykimju: There are certain applications that I totally agree with this19:40
fiferboyBook reader is another example19:41
SpeedEvil What would be awesome would be to use the front camera to pick up the relative orientation of the user19:42
npmare there other policy classes other than games??
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Venemohiemanshu, if you are still interested in helping with the IRC backend, please ping me.19:49
fiferboyVenemo: "more" "elegant"(?) solution:
hiemanshuVenemo: pong19:53
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Venemohiemanshu, are you still interested in helping me with the IRC backend?19:54
hiemanshuVenemo: yes19:54
hiemanshuVenemo: I was working on it19:54
Venemohiemanshu, you were? really? :)19:54
Venemofiferboy, what is 64?19:54
hiemanshuVenemo: yup I was :P19:54
Venemohiemanshu, very nice :)19:55
fiferboyVenemo: You tell me :)19:55
Venemofiferboy, no idea19:55
fiferboyMiscellaneous padding, I think19:55
fiferboyIt does keep the elegant out of it :(19:55
Venemofiferboy ok19:55
Venemohiemanshu, what would you say, let me push my latest stuff to gitorious and then you could make your stuff work with it and push too?19:55
hiemanshuVenemo: sure19:56
hiemanshugo ahead19:56
Venemohiemanshu, some things have changed with regards to my model classes: they are beginning to take shape.19:57
hiemanshuVenemo: ah nice19:57
hiemanshuVenemo: PM20:02
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (relative orientation) we had this idea some days ago, my comment been "maybe the face detection gives it away for free"20:10
DocScrutinizeralas face detection is quite probably closed blob once again, with no (documented) API20:11
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DocScrutinizerbut maybe the face detection fails epically with faces not "in line with orientation", never tested it20:12
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GAN900I think OLED may singlehandedly kill the N9 for me.20:27
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fralsbecause its so awesome?20:31
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GAN900Because PenTile is terrible20:33
GAN900and I like tiny fonts.20:33
wazdGAN900: I guess we should check it live to judge20:35
wazdfiferboy: cya :)20:36
fiferboywazd: No, staying here20:36
wazdaah :)20:36
fiferboyOther terminal was supposed to exit :/20:36
npmre: are the other policy glasses other than games:
wazdGAN900: looks like N9 has the same RGBG screen as Nexus One20:37
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GAN900i.e., crap.20:41
MohammadAGsigh, black window in QML again20:42
MohammadAGis there no way to debug this?20:42
wazdGAN900: haven't used nex1 more than 30 seconds, is it?20:42
GAN900MohammadAG, isn't it fun?20:42
GAN900Shows up in the runtime output every so often.20:42
GAN900wazd, yes.20:42
fralsMohammadAG: you get errors to stderr20:43
MohammadAGfrals, not through Qt Creator apparently20:45
GAN900Works here20:45
GAN900Application output.20:45
MohammadAGI was registering the C++ class after setting the qml url :320:45
tommaMohammadAG, i had black window problem in one project too... problem was i didn't set size for root object and didn't use resizeroottoview resizemode20:45
fiferboyAh, sometimes if the C++ interaction fails you don't get output about it20:46
fiferboyMohammadAG: You can user qDebug() in the C++, but it may not be that helpful20:47
MohammadAGbesides qmlRegisterType, do I need anything else for C++ in QML?20:47
fiferboyMohammadAG: What are you trying to access in QML? Model? Property? Function?20:47
MohammadAGfiferboy, function20:49
rcgMohammadAG: you might find the Q_INVOKABLE macro useful20:49
fiferboyMohammadAG: You can expose your class using view->rootContext->setContextProperty20:49
fiferboyMohammadAG: And then any function that is Q_INVOKABLE will be available20:50
fiferboyI haven't used qmlRegisterType, but I haven't heard many success stories with it20:50
MohammadAGrcg, already using it20:50
rcgactually i used qmlRegisterType quite often20:50
rcgaye ic20:50
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rcgi use QML + C++ quite extensively there20:52
rcghave a look at main.cpp to see which C++ types are used in QML20:53
rcgi qmlRegisterType all my C++/QML stuff there20:53
rcgonly thing i do not do in this project is to pass my custom objects back from QML to C++ as this triggeres an evil bug which is only present in the "stable" Qt Fremantle version20:54
rcg"stable" as in "is available in extras"20:57
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MohammadAGanyone used QtMobility to record audio before?21:08
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wazd <- That reminds me of Andy Warhol :D21:57
rcglol.. looks like modern art indeed :)21:59
lcukwazd, awesome, but which tool is generating such things?22:01
lcukor did you carefully overlay those yourself?22:01
wazdlcuk: hands, unfortunately22:03
wazdlcuk: though harmattan can do such things for QML UI's :D22:03
lcukyeah thought so22:03
wazdlcuk: that's the main part of designers work, not sitting on the sofa and listening to classic music like everyone think :D22:04
lcukwazd but if it can be done in qml directly, you should have best of both22:05
lcuksit in qt creator listening to classical music22:05
wazdlcuk: I really wish to learn qml to make such things at 1/2 speed of my photoshop work22:07
wazdlcuk: right now it's more like 1/16 :D22:07
MohammadAGQML is actually easy once you grasp the concept22:08
wazdMohammadAG: yeah, the fact that I can do something in QML proves that monkeys can code in it :D22:09
MohammadAGI mean, the simplistic UI for my shazam-like app is almost done22:09
wazdMohammadAG: but still it takes time for me :(22:09
MohammadAGwazd, lol, spend more time on it22:09
wazdMohammadAG: I'm trying :)22:09
* MohammadAG goes looking for a microphone image to put it in a squircle22:09
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wazdMohammadAG: ^22:11
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lcukMohammadAG, the ide is what helps in part22:11
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MohammadAGlcuk, not much, the designer doesn't work for QML for me22:14
MohammadAGthanks wazd !22:14
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Venemohey again22:19
rcgMohammadAG: ack.. the designer wasn't pretty helpful for me either.. the code completion is a real lifesaver though :)22:21
rcghey Venemo22:21
MohammadAGheya Venemo22:21
MohammadAGanyone successfully used theme.inverted?22:21
rcgused it once on a button22:22
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rcgerr... nevermind.. thought i used it while i actually didn't22:24
fiferboyMohammadAG: Component.onCompleted: { theme.inverted = true }22:24
fiferboyMohammadAG: If you do that on your toplevel element it should make the entire app inverted22:25
fiferboyOr you can do it on an element-by-element basis22:25
lcukfiferboy, !!22:25
* lcuk thinks fiferboy is turning into a version of his lexicon app22:25
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MohammadAGfiferboy, doesn't render the app correctly22:27
MohammadAGoh nvm fiferboy, it worked22:30
MohammadAGStill haven't figured out how to horizontally center an item though22:31
rcganchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter22:34
rcgMohammadAG: ^22:34
MohammadAGthanks rcg!22:36
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fiferboylcuk: I figured that out out the other night for fun!22:41
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Venemohey lcuk, I need your opinion about something.22:45
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mgedminsomething's wrong with my N950: openssh died, develsh fails to start with "input/output error", devel-su fails to start with "operation not permitted"22:54
mgedminhey, I can't even open an xterm22:54
mgedminI can't launch any of the apps22:54
kimjusounds like fs failure.22:54
mgedminI'd check dmesg, but (1) operation not permitted, thanks aegis, (2) devel-su not permitted, (3) I closed the xterm and now can't open it any more22:55
kimjuretry, reboot, reflash?22:55
mgedminit's not the first time this has happened; last time I rebooted, and it came up -- barely, after a couple of "Device malfunctioning: too many restarts" screens22:56
kimjuwouldn't be a bad idea to contact nokia?22:57
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mgedminincidentally, how long does it take to shut down?22:57
mgedminthe animation is quick, and the screen goes black very soon22:57
mgedminbut it doesn't react to the power button for a while, which makes me think it's still shutting down quietly22:58
mgedminbooting booting booting... black screen led off22:59
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mgedmintry #2: same22:59
kimjuI tried, about 20-25 seconds from initiating the shutdown until power button reacts again.23:00
mgedmintry #3, #4: same23:01
mgedminplugging in wall charger...23:01
mgedminled blinks, screen says nokia, 30 seconds later screen goes dark, led goes dark23:02
mgedminthen it restarts23:02
kimjumy guess is still fs failure. or hw problem with the emmc.23:03
kimjuif reflash doesn't help -> contact nokia.23:03
mgedminah, boot #8 or so: "Device is malfunctioning, you may try re-flashing blah blah Software problem (unknown): too frequent reboots"23:03
mgedminpress [ok], it reboots agai23:04
Venemofiferboy, the older height expression worked better than the new one23:04
mgedminsame nokia screen, but now it's flashing23:04
mgedminand a water ripple effect shows up23:04
mgedminnow the squirclish loading throbber23:04
mgedminand it came up23:05
fiferboyVenemo: Yeah, for this screen size and VKB size23:05
fiferboyVenemo: I can't figure out how the extra size is used, though23:05
mgedminbasically, same as before, only before I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing23:05
Venemofiferboy, mhm23:05
fiferboyVenemo: I would think margins23:06
mgedminI see mmcblk0 errors in dmesg23:08
mgedminand ext4 errors too23:09
mgedminooh, /home is mounted ro23:11
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mgedminbackup time23:13
wazdMohammadAG: heluva UI :D23:15
thpMohammadAG: open source shazam?23:15
wazdMohammadAG: but that's actually everything it needs :)23:15
MohammadAGwazd, indeed, it's so cool and epic, I paid the designer a grand for the design23:16
MohammadAGthp, yeah23:16
MohammadAGnot sure how well it works compared to shazam, but it recognized two tracks of mine23:16
MohammadAGtested with curl before writing it of course23:16
thpthat's cool. wanna-have!23:17
MohammadAGthe bottom right menu has a song history button23:17
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wazdthp: do you need that abstract piece of art for gPodder that I've shown earlier? :)23:18
thpwazd: which one? might have missed it in the scrollstream?23:18
MohammadAGthp, there's one problem, QMediaRecorder isn't working as advertised :)23:19
fiferboyVenemo: It could be the footer height in CommonDialog, but it doesn't look like it should be used for this23:19
thpMohammadAG: cross-compile alsa utils and "arecord" your way into stardom?23:19
thpwazd: is that just some kind of debugging view?23:20
Venemofiferboy, hm23:20
MohammadAGthp, photoshopped debugging view ftw :D23:20
wazdthp: I've created it with hands so Tanya will know all the sizes and coordinates :)23:20
thpor is that a visual "developers can't get their paddings right" rant? ;)23:20
MohammadAGI'm actually impressed23:20
MohammadAGoh and MTF has something like that23:20
thpwazd: Tanya's the one that has been at sf2011?23:21
wazdthp: yep :)23:21
thpMohammadAG: yes, i've seen it with MTF. i think one can even enable it in the widgets gallery somehow23:21
MohammadAGthp, debug tools I think, or misc23:22
thpwazd: ;) well, we should definitely refine the layout of gpodder before the release if we have time :)23:22
MohammadAGyeah, debug tools -> information display23:22
wazdMohammadAG: just press Ctrl+Shift+M23:22
wazdMohammadAG: in any app :)23:22
thpwazd: do you have some time + a n950 for testing now? because then i'd send you a recent .deb of gpodder for testing and for your input (i think interactive is better than screenshots only)23:23
MohammadAGwho noticed the two multitouch(?) points when using CTRL + single touch23:23
MohammadAGI think it's for the SDK, not sure23:23
wazdthp: sure!23:23
MohammadAGthp, enabling it in WG enables it OS wide :D23:23
wazdthp: I've tried to install the deb from forum.meego thread, but it didn't work well23:24
thpwazd: not at all or did it just look crappy?23:24
wazdthp: just the "red icon" :)23:25
thphmm maybe you need to dpkg -i / apt-get install -f it from the command line23:26
thpto get the dependencies installed23:27
mgedminhm, looks like it's too late to create new backups...23:27
MohammadAG"alsa:null", "alsa:default", "oss:/dev/DspBridge", "pulseaudio:" which one should I use?23:28
thpalsa:default i guess?23:29
VenemoMohammadAG, why don't you try pulseaudio?23:31
mgedminI see /sbin/fsck.ext4 and /sbin/fsck.ext4dev, what's the difference?23:33
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MohammadAGQMediaRecorder::ResourceError "Could not open file "file:///home/user/.cache/MohammadAG/MusicRecognizer/musicrecognizer_temp.wav" for writing."23:38
MohammadAGis there some weird aegis related stuff I need for that dir?23:38
mgedmindoes the dir exist?23:40
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mgedminok, all important stuff backed up by hand23:44
MohammadAGmgedmin, yes, that's checked in code23:45
MohammadAGI can touch/rm the file23:45
thpMohammadAG: try writing in MyDocs - maybe this works?23:45
mgedmintry strace -e open on your process23:46
MohammadAGI shouldn't use QUrl::fromLocalFile23:47
* MohammadAG stabs docs23:47
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MohammadAGmgedmin, it worked now,23:49
MohammadAGQUrl::fromLocalFile changes the path to file://path23:49
MohammadAGwhat's annoying is that I saw that in an example23:49
mgedminokay, flash time23:49
MohammadAGis there a way to use C++ signals in QML without connecting?23:49
MohammadAGwithout the whole connect(rootObject, SIGNAL(), object, SLOT()) mess23:50
thpmgedmin: flash time! goes best with
mgedminshame the flasher shows no progress bar for the "erasing" part23:56
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mgedminheh, the flasher said "Server implements softupd protocol version 1.8" and I misread it as "implements *stupid* protocol version"23:56

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