IRC log of #harmattan for Friday, 2011-07-29

pancakecan somebody give me some help on the hardware of the n950?00:00
djszapiwhat help ?00:00
pancakei have inserted a microsim adapter without the microsim00:01
SpeedEvilUnlikely to work.00:01
pancakeand it got locked inside because of the hole00:01
pancakei used some lockpicking tools to pull down the pins00:01
pancakeand extract it00:01
pancakebut looks like there's a pin which has been displaced a bit00:02
pancakeand it scratches the sims and meego doesnt identifies any sim00:02
SpeedEvilI don't think there is a 950 manual00:02
SpeedEvilThere is a n9 manual.00:02
SpeedEvilhow to take it apart.00:03
pancakei've been looking for disassembling pics and checking the n900 pin design .. which afaik its similar00:03
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pancakethose pins should be like the ones in the e6200:04
pancakethis way it would broke :(00:04
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DocScrutinizerI'd guess you are in trouble anyway, as bending the pin in shape again is pretty hard to merely impossible from outside00:05
pancakedisassembly pics show that its hard to access it00:06
pancakeit's closed by the upper side00:06
* mgedmin is trying to make fbreader take over the volume keys:
DocScrutinizeractually under the battery is best it gets00:07
DocScrutinizeryou can not disassemble the holder00:08
pancakeyep.. thats what i see :/00:08
DocScrutinizerat least the six pins are conveniently placed in center of a hole each00:09
pancakecan somebody take a pic like this, so i can compare00:09
pancakethat's what happens: <- see the scratch00:10
DocScrutinizerclose inspection makes me think you got a fair chance to adjust the outer 3 springs/pins thru the insertion slot00:10
SpeedEvilFocussed image would be good00:11
mgedminhm, libresourceqt appears to be built on top of dbus... do I have to do anything to make fbreader dbus-aware, I wonder?00:11
pancakeit's hard to take a good picture of it.. i should take the Canon..00:11
SpeedEvilDo you have n900?00:12
SpeedEvilfcam has a nice focus slider00:12
SpeedEvilMakes closeups a doddle00:12
DocScrutinizerpancake: disassemble the device by removing the 4 TX4 screws ans then opening the back cover, as explained in
DocScrutinizerremove battery00:14
DocScrutinizerwatch SIM holder as accessable as it gets00:14
DocScrutinizeryou won't need any photo to compare, it's obvious if a pin is correct or not00:14
DocScrutinizerfor the lockpick tols: you probably would've been beter off just inserting a stiff thin plastic on the "upper" (screen) side of SIM00:17
DocScrutinizeroh, btw thank for confirming the warning in quickstart guide, about "never use micro-SIM adapetrs or micro sim in a sim-cutout frame"00:18
pancakeoh :/ didnt read warning :/00:19
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pancakei took some pics00:21
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mgedmin/usr/lib/zlibrary/ui/ undefined symbol: _ZNK7QObject10metaObjectEv, bummer00:23
DocScrutinizerpancake: useless, please see my last 3..4 posts here00:25
DocScrutinizer6 actually00:25
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pancakei dont have such screwdriver right now00:28
mgedmind'oh, misspelled libresourceqt1 in pkg-config invocation, so it didn't even link with QtGui00:28
mgedminstupid makefile ignores pkg-config warnings00:28
pancakeso i should try another day00:28
DocScrutinizerpancake: yes, as you should care to use proper tools at least00:29
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pancakeis there any picture of the n950 without the battery?00:31
DocScrutinizerexclusively for you ;-D00:31
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pancakeso.. it's like __/_/__|00:32
pancakei thought it was like the n900 __/__\__00:32
pancakeit hurts :(00:33
DocScrutinizerit's dead, Jim00:33
DocScrutinizeryou take the screen, and I take the battery00:34
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mgedminIT WORKS!00:34
mgedmincrap, it works too well00:34
mgedminfbreader takes over the volume keys and doesn't relinquish control when it goes into background00:35
mgedminsooo... how do I catch application went to background/foreground events?00:36
pancakewell, it works fine with wifi.. but its a sad to see such design flaw :(00:36
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DocScrutinizeris-active and is-visible, sth like that00:37
DocScrutinizerDESIGN FLAW??00:37
pancakei recognize its my fault00:38
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pancakebut i wouldnt imagine such thing to happen on a pull-mode sim reader00:39
SpeedEvilThat looks regrettably soldered.00:39
DocScrutinizerunless you use the type with a hinge and "door", you'll always run into the problem of springs locking on trenchs/holes in the object you insert00:41
DocScrutinizeron all slide-type sim holders00:41
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: indeed, nasty00:41
DocScrutinizerno field-servicable part actually00:42
DocScrutinizerdefinitely needs reflow00:42
DocScrutinizerlooks like at least00:42
SpeedEvilTo do it right.00:42
SpeedEvilYou could do it wrong.00:42
DocScrutinizerI doubt00:43
SpeedEvilIn maners that might result in it needing to be dissasembled to swap SIM00:43
pancake <- see how e62 pins are?00:43
SpeedEvilCut off the top of the SIM holder - at least much of it00:43
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DocScrutinizerpancake: I'm not really interested, I've actually seen a book full of sim holders over in taipei - literally00:44
pancakei would try without cutting anything00:44
SpeedEvilIf you can't manipulate the pins through the holes00:44
DocScrutinizerthe you're screwed00:44
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DocScrutinizeryou mentioned scars in SIM plastic - that makes me think one of the springs is alteady broken or *absolutely* wound up00:46
DocScrutinizeranyway, disassemble, scrutinize the 6 larger round holes. the 6 pins have to sit exactly in the center of the hole one each00:47
mgedminQML docs mentioned the 'active' property (thanks, DocScrutinizer), but I need to access it from a QWidget...00:47
DocScrutinizerwell, I'd probably go the macho's way and check the QML sourcecode ;-P00:49
mgedminthere's a QWidget::isActiveWindow property...00:49
mgedminbut I need to track changes, and polling is not acceptable00:49
DocScrutinizerin the end it's all X1100:49
GAN900Is there a real source for the "N9 wont be sold in NA" rumor?00:51
GAN900Or is that still originating from the webstore availability confusion?00:51
tommamgedmin, there are so many events in QWidget
tommanot sure what you should catch but i would check some of those00:52
DocScrutinizerGAN900: guess!00:52
* mgedmin is a total qt noob, often doesn't even know what keywords to google00:52
GAN900Right then.00:52
mgedminActivationChange looks right00:52
pancakei have to close now00:53
pancakethanks for the help00:53
DocScrutinizerGAN900: we wouldn't build a device with pentaband 3G just to not sell it to the only 3rd world country that doesn't get their 3G bands mess sorted ;-D00:53
djszapiCould someone show me the link of the wikipage where various c-obs repositories are collected for picking up packages ?00:54
mgedminor perhaps ApplicationActivate/ApplicationDeactivate00:54
mgedminand a code example is here:
DocScrutinizerGAN900: to be very clear on that: If it wasn't for USA, I think N9 never would have been pentaband. It's not needed elsewhere in the world afaik00:56
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DocScrutinizerincl GSM it's actually novaband00:58
DocScrutinizeror whatever 9band is on greek/latin/whatever00:58
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, Canada, South America.00:59
GeneralAntilleser, *Mexico00:59
DocScrutinizer(ok, TS bands are same frequency, thanks to USA who started that nonsense)00:59
DocScrutinizerehh, I love it when my touchpad interferes my typing01:00
DocScrutinizer(ok, some of the GSM and UMTS bands are same frequency, thanks to USA who started that nonsense)01:01
DocScrutinizerso I thinks it's like 6 actual bands, 3 of them dual-use01:02
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mgedminoh lovely, I don't have a reference to the QApplication01:03
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mgedminbut I can use QApplication::instance()01:04
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* mgedmin learns to use scp + dpkg -i and avoid the repository hassle for test packages01:08
mgedminIT WORKS!01:09
mgedminso fbreader blahblah-mg8 handles volume keys correctly (for values of "correctly" meaning "page scrolling")01:10
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mgedminthis qt thing ain't so hard after all01:11
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: if you're interested01:11
mgedminespecially with helpful people on irc pointing you to useful doc stuff01:11
mgedminnext big step will be to try and QMLize it01:11
mgedminbut it won't be today01:11
mgedmincrap, default key bindings for volume+/- do not work01:13
mgedminqt keycodes are not x11 keysyms but something else01:19
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mgedminmg9 is the definite fbreader version01:23
mgedmin(for now)01:23
mgedminoff to sleep, bye all01:24
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twoboxenSo I have about 8 of my apps/games built using QtSDK… can someone help me with the absolute minimal requirements to build a deb package?01:25
twoboxenPreferably WITHOUT qt creator… i'd like to know the filesystem requirements and term commands to achieve this01:25
twoboxenRight now I want to test, but it looks like aegis won't let us run generic binaries?  That sucks01:26
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GeneralAntillesHrm, can't open books from the library with your build, mgedmin.01:34
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* vandenoever decides warptree qml demo on n950 is cool enough for now01:36
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tommatwoboxen, qmake, make, make install (with right INSTALL_ROOT) and dpkg-buildpackage01:49
tommawith debian packaging folder and in scratchbox with harmattan target01:49
DocScrutinizerall hail for *l10n-engineering-english01:50
DocScrutinizercongrats nokia for binning tanna-fi-foo-bar01:51
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ScifigTrying to create a daemon for harmattan, what is the equivalent of "start on started hildon-desktop" ?02:06
SpeedEvilOooh - another idea. Clip on binoculars in some secure manner - elastic band?02:08
SpeedEvilTap 'go'. App says 'point at moon'02:09
SpeedEvil(or some visible celestial object.02:09
SpeedEvilAnd it then speaks whatever objects in the sky it's pointed at02:09
SpeedEvilthe binocs02:09
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DocScrutinizeryou know RMS fscked you, when man foo gives you >GNU foo is fully documented in the texinfo documentation. To access the help from your command line, type info foo03:15
DocScrutinizerthanks Mr Stallman, for wasting my time03:17
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DocScrutinizer~quote NOK05:40
infobotNOK: 5.71 (5.81/5.68), 7/28/2011 4:02pm, Opened 5.71, Volume 44,253,816, Change -0.0205:40
SpeedEvil~quote APPL05:44
infobotAPPL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 3:31pm, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A05:44
Scifig~quote AAPL05:44
infobotAAPL: 391.82 (396.99/388.13), 7/28/2011 4:00pm, Opened 391.63, Volume 21,215,156, Change -0.7705:44
ScifigWhat is the harmattan equivalent of "start on started hildon-desktop" ?05:47
DocScrutinizerinitctl list05:52
DocScrutinizerxsession/ui-startup/start-desktop sounds good05:56
DocScrutinizerbut NFC honestly05:56
DocScrutinizerisn't there any upstart-draw-dependencies-graph ?05:57
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ScifigDocScrutinizer - Thanks. Will try ui-startup06:18
DocScrutinizerscanning through all the events.d/* should give some idea06:19
DocScrutinizerjust that I seem to miss events.d/06:20
DocScrutinizerstop aegis :-P06:24
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# stop aegis06:24
DocScrutinizeraegis stop/waiting06:24
Scifiggood night06:25
DocScrutinizergrep -r "on started" /etc06:27
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ScifigI'll go with "xsession/ui-startup/start-desktop". Although there are no files in /etc/event.d yet. I'll deploy my script there and hope aegis won't hate it.06:41
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spenapThe build status for my package in its overview page appears as «building», but when I click on that, in the build log it appears as «Updating...». I left it overnight, and it ended up timing out, and even if I triggered the rebuilt this morning, it seems it's going in the same direction10:21
spenapwhat can I check to make sure I'm doing it right?10:21
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Arkenoiare there harmattan repos worth adding to sources lists right now?12:09
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djszapiArkenoi: plenty.12:20
Arkenoidjszapi: is there a recommended list?12:20
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Arkenoi..and where can i get it? :-)12:22
djszapiI was looking for that yesterday, but I did not find.12:24
djszapideb free non-free -> for instance this one12:24
djszapi -> This one too, but I am trying to find the page for you..12:25
Arkenoibtw there was fbreader somewhere iirc, but i cannot find it right now :-(12:27
djszapithere you go12:27
djszapimaybe someone would like to add it to the title ?12:28
djszapi* topic12:28
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dm8tbrtoo long12:42
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djszapiI am also fine if this devrepo link is added to some main and fundamental harmattan page.12:44
djszapiI could not easily find it, just from IRC log.12:44
dm8tbrin the topic12:46
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djszapidm8tbr perfect :)12:46
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MohammadAGOrder shipped \o/12:59
djszapiwell done :)12:59
leinirsweeet :) MohammadAG Now you gotta start planning out what to do with it when it arrives! Fire up that Qt Creator and start building some magic ;)13:08
djszapidm8tbr: ok, you can revert the topic, I have just extended the N950_landing_page with that bit.13:10
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* Khertan would like to make automated ssh tunnel connection13:25
Khertanis there a way to create a tunnel on demand only13:25
alteregoOn demand by what?13:28
alteregoI have one that gets created on if-up13:28
Khertanalterego, email client try to connect13:29
Khertanopen an ssh tunnel13:30
Khertanthen connection works13:30
alteregoWell, you could edit the .desktop file to start the ssh tunnel, _then_ start the email client ;)13:31
Stskeepsmorn alterego, feeling better today?13:31
Khertanhum... i like the planning feature of the email client13:31
alteregoStskeeps: marginally, I've not been sick yet ;)13:32
alteregoStskeeps: I just have to do some work though, so I'm trying to be active ;)13:32
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Khertanwhat i need is autossh13:36
alteregoautossh is good.13:37
Khertanjust hope it ll not drain battery too much13:37
alteregoOnly when it's working.13:37
DocScrutinizerwtf autossh?13:38
alteregoDocScrutinizer: it wraps ssh and auto connects if the connection is dropped.13:38
DocScrutinizeroh, I do this manually13:39
DocScrutinizerwhile ssh foo@bar; do sleep 5; done13:39
alteregoThis is a bit more complex than that,13:39
Khertanof course DocScrutinizer13:40
DocScrutinizeralterego: what for?13:40
* Khertan hate meego wiki found something on it is like playing Sector Z to level Z-100 on nes in less than 1 hours !13:40
alteregoDocScrutinizer: because your method will block even though the connection may be dropped.13:41
Khertanwhere is the search engine (pakrat) to look which package is available in some home project for harmattan of some guys ?13:41
DocScrutinizer:shrug: it works fine for javing an always ready shell open to my internet located box here, since months13:42
DocScrutinizeryou may want to mess with keep-alive and timeout, sure13:43
Khertanyep but it s a box13:43
Khertannot a mobile phone13:43
Khertanyou use in the metro13:43
Khertanwith many connection drop13:43
Khertanmany change of networks13:43
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Khertandevel on it and restart every 30min13:44
DocScrutinizerI'd be interested in a resume option for ssh13:44
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Khertanthe main purpose of autossh is for making tunnel13:45
Khertangoing eat something13:45
DocScrutinizerI admit it sounds usefull13:45
DocScrutinizerjust never head of it13:46
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: op?13:47
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djszapilbt: it writes "failed". However if you open the build log, it went completely fine:
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djszapilbt: Also, -> What is this stuff about ?14:22
Khertanhop hop autossh package in obs repository14:37
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divan_workhave anyone tried library?15:06
divan_workOr this one - for python?15:06
divan_workI'm trying to add feed item from commandline, but get "Service Unknown" error.15:07
divan_workdbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/home/eventfeed string:"title" string:"Test"15:07
divan_workError org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name was not provided by any .service files15:07
Khertanhum aegis ?15:10
divan_workah, no.. I should use --session bus, not system15:11
divan_workbut need to figure out proper syntax for call15:11
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Khertandivan, &
Khertanwill probably help :)15:14
thpdivan_work: simply use the python library :p15:15
thpdivan_work: you can easily create a small wrapper script15:15
thpdivan_work: also, it doesn't need any aegis permissions15:15
thp(the event feed in general, not specific to the python library)15:15
divan_workthp, yep, I know, but I would prefer to have also the pure sh solution :)15:16
DocScrutinizerI dared to try "stop aegis" - can't see any difference ;-P15:16
DocScrutinizerany comments?15:16
divan_workDocScrutinizer, I expected device to start shining and talking with nice female voice after stopping aegis :)15:17
RST38hfsck fsck fsck15:18
DocScrutinizerit's just funny there seems to be zero effect - so I'm asking if it's supposed to have *any* and I just missed it15:18
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divan_workthp, from command line I get "no such method addItem" :(15:19
MohammadAGRST38h, WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL*** cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.15:19
DocScrutinizertbh I expected
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: moo and congrats for baby step ahead15:20
* RST38h cackles, continues15:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, moo and thanks :)15:21
* MohammadAG hopes it arrives before 3/815:21
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MohammadAGyou got the DHL notification 4 hours later right?15:22
DocScrutinizerothers seems to have to wait for days15:26
thpdivan_work: did you try the python lib?15:27
divan_workthp, yep, it works and now I'm sniffing with dbus-monitor :)15:28
divan_workthp, thanks btw, nice work15:28
DocScrutinizeranyway I'd pester ddp@nokia if you got no mail until 5h later. Odds are the mail got lost and you can not track the device. This is a nogo15:28
thpdivan_work: :) it would be cool if you could document your sh-only solution somewhere on the meego wiki then :)15:28
divan_workthp, sure15:28
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> anyway I'd pester ddp@nokia if you got no mail until 5h later. Odds are the mail got lost and you can not track the device. This is a nogo15:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: quim kicked the right corner to make the whole gear unblock and spin again, uh? :-)15:29
MohammadAGthat's something I don't want15:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yeah :)15:30
MohammadAGQuim got me an N900 in less than a week, 3 days shipping too15:30
MohammadAGI wonder if DHL work on Sat/Sun15:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: doesn't matter if you "want"- the moment the device moves thru DHL, it's *your* responsibility to track it, and you should do that carefully and closely15:31
DocScrutinizerso if "no mail with DHL tracking" in 5h from status "shipped" == first indication sth goes wrong15:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, they almost lost my first N900, don't worry, I'm good at that :P15:32
DocScrutinizerit's your responsibility to pester Nokia to send the DHL tracking info to you15:33
DocScrutinizerNokia can't know when the mail got lost15:33
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: btw what's happening 08-03 ?15:36
DocScrutinizerback to your residential school in Suisse?15:38
DocScrutinizeror are you moving to MIT?15:39
w00tI took a fair while to get my tracking mail15:40
DocScrutinizer(DHL Sat/Sun) internally yes, afaik. Means it can move from Leipzig to TelAviv or sth. But no delivery I guess15:40
DocScrutinizerw00t: fair while is?15:41
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w00tI don't remember now15:42
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, life getting in my way :P15:42
MohammadAGw00t, less than a day?15:43
djszapimmh, packrat is buggy15:43
MohammadAGno worries, all delays will be at Lod15:43
MohammadAG<3 customs15:43
djszapiit does not actually look for packages here: Who is the packrat maintainer ?15:44
DocScrutinizerrm_you ?15:44
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mtdanyone have boost packaged for harmattan (armel)?15:52
djszapinot that I see.15:53
mtddjszapi: thanks15:55
Meknokia has...15:55
* mtd guesses my scratchbox aptsetup is broken, since I can't install subversion (no installation candidate). 15:55
Mekbut maybe not in the sdk...15:56
mtdMek: oh?! Great...15:56
mtdMek: where can I find it?15:56
djszapimtd: I wanted to have it sometimes ago because of some polkit-qwt thing15:56
Mekwell, apparently it's only in the internal repository, if you can't find it...15:56
djszapimtd: there is no public.15:56
mtddjszapi: ah15:56
mtdMek: no, I have no access to it :(15:57
MohammadAGand there's my tracking number16:01
Khertanhum : rzr git-core package is buggy16:03
Khertanand packaging git require subversion :(16:03
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djszapiKhertan: no, it is not strange:
djszapiit even requires cvs :D16:05
Khertanexcuse me but i found a bit strange that git require cvs and subversion... this depends come from migration tools16:06
Khertanand should be packaged in the side16:06
Khertannot with the core tools16:06
Khertanwhen you use git you didn't have to use subversion or cvs :)16:06
djszapiwell, I guess he just rebuilt it without fine-tuning yet16:06
Khertandjszapi, ah yes i didn't blame rzr for that16:07
djszapino idea how he rebuilt it since I do not find cvs anywhere.16:07
Khertani blame myself to found a way to package it16:07
Khertandjszapi, he rebuild an old version of git-core i ve pushed in maemo repository16:07
Khertanwhich at this time didn't have depends on cvs and subversions16:08
Khertanas the migration tool was given separatly16:08
djszapiseriously, someone, please fix packrat.... I need to look for packages at two places :(16:08
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rlinfati$ strings /usr/sbin/validator-init | grep -i microsoft | wc -l -> 10 !!16:10
rlinfati$ strings /usr/sbin/validator-init | grep -i win32 | wc -l -> 916:10
rlinfatiharmattan is the evil !! :)16:10
mtdooh, rzr started to package boost, maybe:
djszapimtd: well, the dependencies are missing at least to a nice package.16:11
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Khertanrlinfati, didn't have same result16:13
Khertanwhich fw did you use ?16:13
mtddjszapi: in obs or somewhere else (sorry for the naive question)?16:13
djszapimtd: ohh, rzr packages quite a few dependencies, nice :)16:14
djszapi -> boost did not build yet properly.16:16
djszapiand that is a bit old version :p16:16
griAnyone has an idea why my ListViews placed on a always are scrolled to the center by default? I would like to have them starting at the top16:17
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rlinfatiKhertan, 22-6, the public16:19
Khertanrlinfati, fud16:20
macmaNpretty soon i cant take it anymore16:20
macmaNim gonna gorilla that glass up myself16:20
macmaNwith some engraved new version number16:21
rlinfatiwhere are the backup stored ?16:21
rlinfatii wanna bakup the backup :=)16:21
Khertanbe carrefull backup didn't save everythings16:21
Khertanpictures on contact aren't saved, no photo, music, videos, .ssh16:22
Khertanand many things :)16:22
rlinfatii only wanna save the the registration of the ovi account16:22
DocScrutinizerrm_you: packrat fix request by djszapi!16:22
Khertanalso restoring a backup with ovi account doesn't seems to works :)16:23
Khertani backuped my contact16:23
Khertantest ovi account working16:23
Khertanbackup again16:23
Khertancompare backup16:23
Khertanrestore first backup16:23
Khertanrestore avi account (signon.db)16:23
Khertanbut didn't works :)16:23
Khertanrestoring backup with working ovi account make ovi account not working16:24
Khertangood luck in investigations :)16:24
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rlinfatihow i can check if the kernel running is from flasher (-k ... -l -b)  or from nand ?16:40
divan_workso does the ovi login bug somehow related to contacts? reflashing didn't help for me, and I synchronized all my contacts from N900..16:40
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thprlinfati: maybe /proc/cmdline has something for you16:55
thprlinfati: bootreason or bootmode maybe. for normal boot it's bootreason=pwr_key and bootmode=normal for me16:56
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divan_workthp, seems that for accessing eventfeed from cmdline we need to patch qdbus first, adding support for QVariantMap parameters16:59
divan_workit would be better to write wrapper for C++ or your's library instead16:59
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thpdivan_work: someone has already written a event feed library in c++17:03
divan_workthp, yep, I saw it17:03
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Khertandivan, reflashing help me ... i didn't think it s related to n900 sync as i do a sync after and works17:06
Khertani thinks it s related to backuptool17:07
DocScrutinizerrlinfati: hardly at all17:08
Khertanand a sqlite3db in /home/user/.signon17:08
divan_workKhertan, any hints on how to make it working?17:08
DocScrutinizerunless cmdline is different, there shouldn't be any difference in the kernel itself, no matter where from it loaded17:08
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly how the hash/signature handling is defined to work for kernels loaded via flasher17:10
DocScrutinizerand, even more relevant, for the bootloader if it got loaded from USB by romboot17:11
Khertandivan_work, except reflash and not using backup17:11
divan_workKhertan, what backup tool are we talking about btw?17:12
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Khertandivan, the things in parameters -> sync & backup -> backup17:14
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Khertan(probably not exactly same name i translate it from french to english)17:15
Khertandivan, also before creating a nokia account on device verify that date and time are well setted17:15
divan_workKhertan, I've synchonized contacts from N900's synchronize tool...17:15
Khertanbut i ve problem before and now it s works17:15
divan_workyes, I checked it17:16
Khertandivan_work, i ve sync it too but after creating a ovi account17:16
rlinfatigrrr damit aegis... i can not even change the cmdline via flasher :(17:16
Khertanand ovi account still works17:16
mgedminGeneralAntilles, no clue about your library problem; I don't use fbreader's library myself, just open files with the add book dialog17:17
divan_workKhertan, hmm, that could be the point. I'll check.17:17
mgedmincrevetor's not here, hmm17:20
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mgedmincrevetor, just mentioned your name, and you appeared17:20
DocScrutinizerrlinfati: welcome to the aegis foes' club17:20
mgedmindidn't know my own summoning powers17:20
mgedmincrevetor, I noticed the other day that qmlcompass did not initialize orientationAngle on startup17:21
mgedminso the direction was wrong if you launched it while in landscape mode17:21
crevetorI'll fix that.17:21
mgedmin(could be that to reproduce this one would have to do the CSS hack to allow the home screen to be landscape)17:21
rlinfatiunknown partition table, VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2) :( that happen when i change the cmdline via flasher....17:25
rlinfatithe emmc is encrypted ?17:26
SpeedEvilrlinfati: no17:26
rlinfatithen... why the kernel can not load the partition table of the emmc when i chanche the cmdline via flasher?17:27
SpeedEvilPerhaps there is an initfs that loads the mmc modules?17:29
Stskeepsrlinfati: how did you get kernel messages?17:30
Stskeepsah, clever17:30
Stskeepsrlinfati: do you have lock code?17:31
DocScrutinizerrlinfati: dunno if that helps:17:32
macmaNok so i am stracing the hell out of /usr/lib/AccountSetup/bin/oviplugin17:32
DocScrutinizerRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# cat /proc/cmdline17:32
DocScrutinizer init=/sbin/preinit root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootflags=errors=remount-ro rootfstype=ext4 rw mtdoops.mtddev=log mtdoops.record_size=65536 console=tty0 mtdparts=omap2-onenand:1024k(bootloader),2816k@1024k(config),16384k@3840k(kernel),2048k@20224k(log),469248k@22272k(swap),32768k@491520k(moslo) bootreason=pwr_key bootmode=normal nolo=2.0.37 product_name=RM-680 imei=357881040017222 g_nokia.iSerialNumber=35788104001722217:32
DocScrutinizerserialnumber=ZUA030564 omap_sec.kci=916 battery-type=BL-4D gpio=cmt_apeslpx:93:sysfs:output,cmt_en:23:sysfs:init_active:output,cmt_rst_rq:88:sysfs:init_active:output,keypad_slide:109:key:inverted,sleep_ind:92:sysfs:output omapdss.def_disp_enabled=1 vhash=cf998375ea9aee53fae74b6dc405f53481e20aa4 product_model=N950 hwid=112417:32
macmaNit never gets to connecting to a server before spitting service currently unavailable17:32
macmaNas opposed to "create new account" which clearly strace shows connecting to a server and finding out about e-mail existing account17:33
macmaNDocScrutinizer: gotta love that cmdline. thats what i call gangsta.17:33
crevetorfunny to see that the imei is passed to the kernel17:33
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DocScrutinizercrevetor: AIUI kernel is dongled to the device via imei, or maybe parts of the phone stack are, whatever17:34
DocScrutinizerof course there's also vhash for that17:35
DocScrutinizerall hail to aegis17:35
rlinfatimaybe i need a RDC cert to change the cmdline :/17:35
rlinfatibootreason=usb bootmode=normal17:36
Stskeepsrlinfati: for -b you need whole command line17:36
DocScrutinizerI bet there's some odds regarding that17:36
MohammadAGI'd guess you need to pass init=/sbin/preinit root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait rootflags=errors=remount-ro rootfstype=ext4 rw mtdoops.mtddev=log mtdoops.record_size=65536 console=tty017:36
MohammadAGthe rest is added by NOLO17:37
rlinfatiStskeeps, i try with the cmd reported in /proc/cmdline17:37
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, figured it out.17:37
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, changed the filename of the book and re-added it.17:37
macmaNuhuhuhuh, attached gdb to oviplugin... tastyyyy17:37
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, I don't generally use the library either, but I hit the wrong button. *g*17:37
macmaNlets see if i can brick this shiznit17:37
rlinfatiMohammadAG, not lucky with that cmdline...17:38
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mgedminn950 has a nice device icon when you connect it as mass storage:
thpmgedmin: they probably forgot to update the icon to the black case17:42
thplooks like this one:
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mgedminI didn't even notice17:48
* mgedmin exports one of the layers of .n900.ico to n900.png and sets it as a custom device icon in nautilus17:48
mgedminnow, let's copy a gig of ebooks...17:52
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mgedminusb transfer speeds reach nearly 12 megs/second18:01
mgedminalthough many small files means the average is maybe 10x lower18:01
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rlinfatiHow i can force the obs to generate the aegis file for my package , qtcreator generate in an automatic way...18:17
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MeeGoBotBug 21885 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder.18:27
rcgi couldn't get this working as well.. the bug report pretty much summarizes what i tried so far18:27
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rcgto put a long story short: QtSDK and scratchbox use a modifed dpg-gencontrol which takes care of generating the manifest.. though, even if you add the manifest manually the obs will hang after your package was built18:28
rlinfati:( then.. i can not control the gps if i use obs :/18:29
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GeneralAntillesFinally getting a feel for the N950 keyboard.18:33
mgedminI've just started using it in anger18:33
mgedminfeels weird18:33
mgedminI keep hitting p instead of ,18:33
mgedminor @ instead of v18:34
mgedminhack to edit the book currently opened in fbreader:
mgedminuse cases: when you notice italics are missing, you can :%s,<span class="italic">\([^<]*\)</span>,<em>\1</em>,gc18:37
mgedminonly problem is .profile is not sourced when I launch meego-terminal18:38
mgedminwill have to try my hack with export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc again18:39
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mikhasGA, you actually use the HWKB?18:49
mikhasI bet you have unlocked the orientation lock for most apps then, too18:49
thpdoes the n950 have a compass? and if so, how can i access it?18:50
mikhasbecause otherwise … it's quite useless :-(18:50
mgedminmikhas, most apps? tell us more18:50
mgedminthp, yes, it has a magnetometer, and you can access it using Qt Mobility Sensors API18:51
mgedminqmlcompass is an open-source project that demonstrates how to do that from QML18:51
mgedminyou can find it on gitorious18:51
thpmgedmin: cool, thanks ;)18:51
mikhasmgedmin, every Qt component or LMT app changes orientation probably, by default18:51
mgedminoh, and beware the orientationAngle tricks it plays for accurate display; there's at least one unfixed bug there, unless crevetor fixed it already18:52
mikhasand certain apps have come up with an orientation lock, which you can disable on the toolkit level18:52
mgedminmikhas, I've unlocked orientation changes for meegotouch-home18:52
mikhasyeah, but that's not enough18:52
mgedminI was wondering what other apps there were that work reasonably well with orientation unlocked18:52
mikhasand that one is also buggy18:52
mikhas(does not draw icons properly)18:53
mgedminI was also wondering how you can _lock_ the orientation in a QML project18:53
mikhas"Orientation unlocked" sounds like an achievement18:53
mgedmin(QMLCompass, to be precise)18:53
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TronicHow come Maps doesn't appear to be using the compass?18:55
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GeneralAntillesmikhas, just home.18:55
GeneralAntillesmikhas, contacts I haven't poked at yet.18:55
mgedminincidentally, what's LMT?18:56
thpmikhas: i want cursor keys on my vkb for xterm - i'm sure you can do that? :)18:56
mikhasthp, I can18:56
mikhashow much will you pay?18:57
thpwill you accept payment in beer?18:57
mikhaswell, I will have to sneak this feature in so that it bypasses management, you know18:57
mikhas=> one beer will not suffice18:58
mikhasand I might have to bribe the patch reviewers, too!18:58
thpwell if you make the cursor keys colored i might be able to offer to beers18:58
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thpand you can share parts of the second beer with the patch reviewers18:58
mikhas(thp, please file a bug on and assign to me)18:59
GeneralAntillesYou guys realize this channel is logged, right? *g*18:59
mikhas"VKB layouts dont allow arrow keys" or such18:59
mgedminyou can offer me tea to remove certain indiscreet remarks from the logs :)18:59
mikhasyou expect management to search IRC logs?18:59
mikhashow cute18:59
mikhasmgedmin, :-D19:00
GeneralAntillesThe ninjas, mikhas, beware the ninjas.19:00
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mikhasthp, you really want *x*term?19:01
thpmgedmin: tea bribes always remind me of
leiniroh yeah, default english vkb doesn't include an appostrophe... ;)19:01
mikhasleinir, symviews surely do19:01
mikhasthp, WTH!19:02
thpmikhas: well it's that meego harmattan terminal thingie. i just keep calling it xterm, even though it's not xterm per se19:02
leinirmikhas: when typing in an sms, i can't write can't without switching to the symbols view :P19:02
mikhasyeah, we couldnt decide on a nice name19:02
mikhas"Termite" was close19:02
mikhasleinir, you can easily add this yourself, you know?19:03
mikhaswell, just wait a couple of days, you'll be in for a surprise19:03
leinirmikhas: it's more general feedback - i can use the flipout keyboard fine, but people with an n9 aren't going to have that possibility, yeah? :)19:03
mgedminthp :)19:03
thpmikhas: btw, the multi-touch on the vkb and the slide-from-shift/123-key-to-another-key is really great. good work there!19:04
mgedmin'xterm' became a generic term (no pun intended) for terminal emulators19:04
mikhasthp, we want to change it to a panning gesture though19:05
mikhasthis layout swipe is a bit difficult to detect19:05
mikhasbut agree, it's a nice idea19:05
mgedminslide-from-shift/123? cool!19:06
mikhasthp, you should also be able to press symview with one finger, then enter stuff with other finger, release first from symview and be back at QWERTY19:06
crevetorslide from shift doesn't work for19:06
mikhasno slide-from-shift19:07
mikhaswell, I am open for bribes19:07
mikhasyou can keep using for VKB feature requests and such19:08
mikhasjust dont mention it's for the N9/N950 :-D19:08
mikhasit'll confuse the intel guys, but eventually we are in charge of those bugs19:08
thpmikhas: i didn't know your bugzilla id, but here it is:
MeeGoBotBug 22123 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, Virtual keyboard layouts should allow for arrow keys19:09
thpoh yeah, it only works for slide-from-?123, not for shift. but still neat19:10
thpmikhas: changing the enter key label isn't possible yet from qt components i assume? at least i haven't found anything in the api docs19:11
mikhasI am going to report slide-from-shift on the internal bug tracker19:11
mikhasas it needs UX designer feedback19:11
mikhasthp, there is some crack API19:12
mikhashang on19:12
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mikhaswe werent asked about that API …19:15
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mikhasbecause the original API allows you to control a toolbar on top of VKB, too19:15
mikhasanyways, we'll push for integration of libmaliit19:15
mikhasthp, libmaliit:
mikhasallows apps to control the VKB without any LMT dependency19:17
mgedminheh, Sip is "software input panel", and nothing to do with SIP19:17
mikhasmgedmin, yes …19:17
mikhasan unfortunate Qt term19:17
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thpmikhas: thanks :) but the sipattributes will work on harmattan, right?19:24
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mikhasthp, yes19:34
mikhasthis crack API wil work on H19:34
thpwow, that's a lot of drug references packed into one sentence19:35
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mikhasslide-from-shift got reported as NB#27520219:36
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Arkenoiluit is not in x11-utils in harmattan?19:54
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mgedminmeego-terminal, we need to have a little talk20:25
mgedmindoes it really not support xterm mouse reporting?20:25
mgedminand what's this with showing me a scrollback buffer when an ncurses app is using the alternative vt100 screen?20:26
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mgedminand no support for bold fonts?20:26
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rm_workyeah... i kinda feel like we need our own terminal app20:27
rm_workor is that one actually open source?20:28
timophthe sources for it are in gitorious20:28
timophthe same terminal is used in N900CE20:28
dm8tbrI think kimju looked at it too20:28
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timophbut yeah. I needs some loving patches20:29
mgedminit appears to be based on Konsole20:30
mgedminmaybe it's just a matter of setting $TERM correctly?20:31
timophcould be. that fix was committed to the repo a week ago20:31
rm_workcan someone build an updated package?20:33
rm_worki guess i could20:33
rm_workbut not till tonight20:33
mgedminI heard something about aegis not letting you upgrade nokia-signed packages with self-built ones?20:34
timophhaven't tried20:34
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timophdunno if you can just remove the nokia signed and install your own after that20:34
mgedminooh, new meego-terminal will read ~/.profile!20:34
rm_workthen i can always just rename it slightly :P20:35
timophyet-another-meego-terminal :)20:35
mgedminooh, bold support! mouse support!20:35
mgedmincontext menu!20:35
mgedminhacky multi-window support?20:35
mgedminshift-return works!20:36
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mgedminalmost all my issues have already been fixed in git :)20:37
rm_workmgedmin: so build it :P20:37
rm_workmight recommend renaming it anyway, having a broken terminal would suck if something goes wrong20:37
mgedminhey, is it possible to ask maliit to let keys autorepeat, instead of long press entering the shifted symbol?20:37
rm_workwould have to make it an option20:38
rm_workpeople may rely on that20:38
mgedmingood point20:38
mgedminnot everyone uses h/j/k/l navigation in vim :)20:38
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djszapi|windowsrm_work ping20:44
DocScrutinizerif anybody could explain me this:  -  particularly which credential of the set associated to devel-su -c bash (which to me looks like a SUBset of the originally available) makes it possible to run binaries that get rejected >>Operation not permitted<< under the more comprehensive set of credentials granted to the >ssh root@N950<20:44
djszapi|windowscould you please fix the packrat up ?20:44
rm_workhey djszapi|windows20:44
macmaNDocScrutinizer: werent you giving up a few days ago?20:44
djszapi|windowsplease please20:44
rm_workdjszapi|windows: done20:45
rm_workright now i am running it every night by hand T_T20:45
rm_workbut i forgot last night20:45
rm_workbecause the webhost i'm on doesn't allow cron jobs properly20:45
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rm_workthey give me a shell but very limited access and many missing binaries20:45
djszapi|windowsrm_work please add our shared repository we did last night20:46
rm_worki had to compile a static wget and put it on there20:46
rm_workdjszapi|windows: ah what is the path20:46
rm_workgive me the deb line20:46
djszapi|windowsI will delete my own repository20:46
djszapi|windowsYou can safely delete that from the list20:46
rm_workthe list comes from the wiki page20:46
rm_workit is automatically parsed each update20:46
rm_workso if you remove it from the wiki, it will disappear20:46
djszapi|windowsI removed from the wiki =p20:47
rm_workthat is on the wiki?20:47
rm_workif so, it is already automatically included20:47
djszapi|windowsso it just parses the wiki, cool to know20:47
rm_workFetching (Harmattan)...20:47
rm_workFetched 153 packages.20:47
djszapi|windowsCould you mention it somewhere please ?20:47
rm_workyeah sorry20:47
rm_workFMS wrong this thing20:47
djszapi|windowsfor instance here.20:47
rm_worki'm just hosting/maintaining it20:47
rm_worki barely know perl (what it runs in)20:48
mgedminnice, harmattan scratchbox has a sbox_sync command to fix up /etc/resolv.conf20:48
djszapi|windowsrm_work: thanks for ratpack btw, really great tool for us!20:49
dm8tbrwhat tool? where? :)20:50
Arkenoiwhich package luit is now in?20:50
djszapi|windowsdm8tbr: sort of search engine, ratpack.20:52
dm8tbrdjszapi|windows: ah, nice, but isn't supposed to cover that soon(tm)20:52
mikhasyeah, like real soon20:53
djszapi|windowsI live in the presense, not the future.20:53
mikhaspromised since when? dublin?20:53
dm8tbrrm_work: and you have problems hosting that because your hoster is a pain?20:54
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* dm8tbr is running a few things forMeeGo already, so I could host that proper if necessary20:55
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dm8tbr17:55:14 * dm8tbr is running a few things forMeeGo already, so I could host that proper if necessary20:55
rm_workdm8tbr: nah hosting is actually great20:55
rm_workjust shell access is limited20:55
rm_worki have a solution now though20:55
rm_workgoing to set up ssh key auth to it20:56
rm_workand run the cron job on another machine20:56
rm_workit'll just SSH over to do it :P20:56
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* dm8tbr is generally open for things that are growing around meego though20:57
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rm_workupdated wiki20:57
dm8tbrI recently moved the meego image hosting to images.formeego.org20:57
dm8tbrbefore it used to be named
MeeGoBotBug nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed20:59
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so how's this community repo suggested to get added to device?21:15
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twoboxenCan someone please help me with including icons into the deb package?21:16
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twoboxen  desktop.path = $SHARE_DIR/applications/hildon21:17
twoboxen  desktop.files += debian/app.desktop21:17
twoboxen  icon26.path = $SHARE_DIR/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps21:17
twoboxen  icon26.files += app_26.png21:17
twoboxen  icon48.path = $SHARE_DIR/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps21:17
twoboxen  icon48.files += app_48.png21:17
twoboxen  icon64.path = $SHARE_DIR/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps21:17
twoboxen  icon64.files += app_64.png21:17
twoboxenthese lines are in my app.pro21:18
twoboxenI cannot figure out why it's not part of the debian package21:18
* mgedmin is sadly completely clueless about qmake and .pro files21:19
mgedminwhat's this unofficial-meego-terminal_0.1.8.1mg1_armel.deb.unsigned I got when I dpkg-buildpackage'd a (renamed) meego-terminal?21:19
mgedmindo I put this file into an apt repo next to the .deb?21:19
Scifigtwoboxen, Your INSTALLS includes all the icon26 incon48 etc?21:19
Scifigin .pro file?21:20
twoboxenah… so I have "INSTALLS += target"… that should be "INSTALLS += target icon26 icon48..."?21:20
Scifigtwoboxen, yes21:20
twoboxensame with desktop, i suppose21:21
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twoboxenthanks!  trying now21:21
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twoboxenI messed up the paths, but it works.  Thanks!21:23
ScifigYou are welcome21:23
* mgedmin wants pstree for harmattan21:23
* DocScrutinizer wants procps for harmattan (among a lot of other stuff, to get rid of messybox annoyance)21:26
mgedminrm_you, you can find a more-or-less working unofficial meego-terminal build at
mgedminit lacks an icon on the home screen for some reason21:26
twoboxenwhat path will it look for icons in?21:27
RST38hWhat is the difference from the default terminal?21:27
fiferboymgedmin: Thanks for the mention in your blog post!21:28
mgedminthese fixes21:28
RST38halso, can you upload the "final" source package for fbreader?21:29
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RST38hthe repo contains series of diffs21:29
mgedminRST38h, what, you don't like quilt? :)21:29
mgedminunpack the .dsc, go inside, quilt push -a, and you'll see the "final" source tree21:30
Arkenoifbreader seems to be quite stable. though settings UI is even less usable than on fremantle21:31
mgedminsomeone ought to rewrite the UI in QML21:31
mgedmin(hint hint ;))21:31
mgedminok, time to go hunt some supper21:32
mgedminRST38h, <-- I actually quite liked this21:33
mgedminI should've separated my changes instead of lumping them into a single harmattan.patch21:33
mgedminwell, next time21:33
DocScrutinizercould somebody share a pointer to a suggestion on how to add community repo to N950 list of used repositories, please?21:33
mgedminDocScrutinizer, what community repo?21:34
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mgedminprobably something like 'echo deb ./' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rzr.list21:35
mgedminI hate that url21:35
RST38hmgedmin: I would rather much prefer not having to learn it =)21:37
RST38hUnless absolutely necessary21:37
RST38hSo, if you have got the up-to-date tarball, could you upload it somewhere? =)21:38
mgedminjust patch the thing21:38
mgedminI know a bit about version control, and I know a bit about debian packaging tools21:39
mgedminI don't know the right way to integrate the two21:39
RST38hhmm.. tarball does not have debian/maemo621:40
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* Arkenoi wonders why devkit is 16Gb version. completely irrational.21:43
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GeneralAntillesI wouldn't be bothered by it if the media player would handle DLNA shares.21:46
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* RST38h tries debian rules/control template from vim21:51
RST38hRM680-22-6_PR_RM680:/home/user/MyDocs# run-speccy21:52
RST38h-sh: run-speccy: Operation not permitted21:52
RST38hWhat do I do?21:52
RST38hHow do I fix this ?21:52
fiferboyRST38h: sh file?21:53
RST38hUnpacking replacement speccy ...21:53
RST38haegis-installing speccy (from '')21:53
RST38hSetting up speccy (1.7.0-3) ...21:53
RST38hfiferboy: yes, but the binary itself gives the same error21:53
fiferboyRST38h: try 'sh run-speccy'21:53
antman8969can't run the user's binaries ass root21:53
antman8969su user21:53
RST38hit will not run the binary21:53
RST38hantman: thanks!21:54
antman8969dont thank me yet lol21:54
antman8969try firs21:54
antman8969also, you can't even rm the users files21:54
fiferboyYeah, I find that a REALLY strange limitation of root21:54
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antman8969the only thing root can do that no one else can do is install?21:54
RST38hit runs21:54
hiemanshufiferboy: its not a bug, its a feature (TM)21:54
fiferboyhiemanshu: I find that a REALLY strange feature of root :P21:55
RST38hOk, now let us get emulation running...21:55
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ScifigMy first brush with aegis. The script I deployed to event.d/ doesn't run.  Aegis: credp_kcheck failed 9990004 shake2skip-daemon22:48
ScifigAegis: shake2skip-daemon verification failed (source origin check)22:48
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ScifigSo, what now? Do I need a manifest file? What should I include in the manifest file?22:48
djszapilearn how the platform works ?22:48
djszapiVenemo o/22:48
Venemohey djszapi22:49
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rcgbtw anyone who wants to build an app with aegis manifest should be aware of: or even better vote for it22:52
MeeGoBotBug 21885 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder.22:52
mgedminScifig, how did you deploy it?22:52
rcgi.e. build with the obs22:52
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Scifigmgedmin, It is included in qmake project file  INSTALLS. Installed as part of .deb22:53
dm8tbrrcg: it's assigned to someone with an intel address, that spells trouble22:54
dm8tbrrcg: you want to talk to xfade instead22:54
ScifigThe actual binary is in /opt/shake2skip/bin folder and this daemon script is deployed to /etc/event.d22:54
rcgdm8tbr: hmmz ic.. will do so next week.. i think he has off during the weekend?22:54
dm8tbrrcg: dunno. I see lbt is on cc though, so it's not completely under the radar.22:55
rcganyways.. xfade and lbt were quite busy these days.. dunno if they find time for this one22:55
rcgthough, i think this one is really important as it essentially blocks all packets using aegis from being published via obs22:56
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dm8tbrrcg: yes, it kind of breaks the story etc22:57
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mgedmintwitter news: "@fbreader: @mgedmin Thanks. We plan to release "official" version for Nokia qt devices (both symbian and meego) at end of August."23:01
DocScrutinizer51so aegis finally caused a common major problem, rather than issues for freaks like me? Rather unexpected ;-)23:07
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer51: that would be blowing it out of proportion23:10
mgedmingrr meego wiki openid login redirects me to the front page instead of the page I wanted to edit23:10
* Arkenoi wonders what it takes to run preenv on harmattan23:10
fiferboymgedmin: That's good news, although the phrasing of "official" makes is a bit odd23:10
mgedminthe quotes are interesting23:11
mgedminprobably used for "emphasis" :)23:11
DocScrutinizer51dm8tbr: just managed to read more backscroll, yes it's at best a marginal annoyance23:11
rcgwell i think they were that busy setting the obs up for us that they simply didnt had the aegis specific pitfalls on the screen yet23:14
dm8tbrthey got it up real quick anyway23:15
rcgyeah :) .. and are busy as hell improving it23:16
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rcgi think lbt mentioned something about having worked the weekend through to get things running better23:17
wazdhello everyone :)23:17
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rcgalso the issue with respect to the modified dpkg-gencontrol can be worked around quite easily if you put the correct command in your rules file23:18
lardmanevening all23:18
DocScrutinizer51lo wazd23:18
DocScrutinizer51lo lardman23:18
lardmanhi DocScrutinizer, rcg23:18
lardmanwhile we're talking about debian/rules, any ideas how to set the optimisation flags that qmake generates in the Makefile?23:19
rcgwhat is more annoying / strange is that the obs "hangs" once a *.deb with aegis manifest finished the build process23:19
lardmanand equally, will removing optimisation flags make gdb bt work?23:19
* lardman is trying to track down a segfault23:20
rcglardman:   QMAKE_CXXFLAGS?23:20
GeneralAntillesAnybody figure out where the settings finds wallpapers?23:21
lardmanI tried exporting that in rules, but while it seems to affect dpkg-buildpackage it doesn't change the flags in the Makefile23:21
rcglardman: its set in the project file here23:22
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rcgi.e. the qt *.pro file23:22
lardmanah, ok, will give that a go instead23:22
rcgthen qmake should pick it up on generating the makefile23:22
ScifigAnyone successful in creating a daemon for harmattan?23:23
lardmanhmm, no change, still have -O223:24
* lardman tries appending _DEBUG23:24
mgedminlardman, try DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ...23:25
mgedminlemmecheck if I got the spelling right23:25
mgedminDEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip is right23:25
lardmanok, will give that a go, thanks mgedmin23:26
lardmanrcg: your suggestion didn't work btw23:27
rcghmm.. this is what my *.pro file says23:27
rcgQMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -fPIC -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden23:27
rcgQMAKE_LFLAGS += -pie -rdynamic23:27
GeneralAntillesAnybody benched the eMMC yet?23:27
lardmanrcg: that's added on to some default *FLAGS though, I wonder how to alter the default23:28
rcglardman: ah.. now ic23:28
rcgnevermind then ;)23:28
lardmanthanks for trying though :)23:28
rcgnp.. i wish it woulda have worked better, though ;)23:30
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lardmanmgedmin: I still don;t see any useful info - the segfault occurs in the qt functions, but the bt is still broken23:32
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mgedminlardman, :(23:35
mgedminpastebinit please?23:35
mgedminalso, can we ask for libqtgui4-dbgsym?23:36
mgedminwell, it did say "Reading symbols from /usr/bin/photoanalyser...done.", so you got the debug symbols for your app23:37
mgedminqt doesn't have symbols, sadly23:37
mgedminthe SDK repo has libqtgui4-dbg23:38
lardmanshame I can't know which fn the segfaulting fn was called from though23:38
lardmanhmm, sounds good23:38
mgedminI'm tempted to install it on the device23:38
mgedminyes, it ships /usr/lib/debug with all the goodies23:39
mgedminwhy didn't I think about this when I was trying to debug fbreader?23:39
lardmanis that repo enabled by default?23:42
lardmando you know how large it is23:43
mgedminssh root@RM680.lan; echo deb harmattan/sdk free non-free > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sdk.list; apt-get update23:43
mgedmin36 MB download23:43
* lardman wonders whether to install thqat or work out some other way23:43
mgedmininstalling now...23:43
mgedminhm, any harmful stuff in the sdk repo?23:43
mgedminapt-get upgrade -> 0 upgraded23:43
mgedminso, none23:43
mgedminnow, what could I gdb with this....?23:44
lardman~92MB installed... :)23:44
lardmanextra that is23:44
lardmanhmm, well that hasn't changed the gdb outpu23:46
mgedminI got qt debug symbooools23:48
lardman fwiw23:48
mgedminlardman, you want libqt4-dbus-dbg, I believe23:49
lardmanah, yet more debugging symbols23:49
mgedminfor every library without debug symbols23:49
lardmanif only backtraces worked under ARM23:49
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mgedmindo dpkg -S /usr/lib/
mgedminthen look for the -dbg version of that deb23:50
lardmancool, libqtcore4-dbg23:50
mgedmindid you mean symbol-less backtraces?23:50
lardmanwell at least knowing which fn had been called from my code23:51
MohammadAGyay for breaking standard naming23:53
MohammadAGlibqt4-* should've been used :/23:53
lardmannice, I have something to work with now, thanks mgedmin23:53
mgedminhave fun, lardman!23:53
lardmanhmmm ;)23:53
lardmanbbiab, changing location23:55
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