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| Noobmonk3y | ooo harmattan yay! | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | djszapi, ask in here :) | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: is it possible to build "normal" small tools on device? | 01:13 |
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| mzanetti | piggz: have you found a solution for the Keyboard stuff? | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, idk, it should be possible to build most things? | 01:46 |
| lcuk | perhaps the gnu tools situation is improved | 01:46 |
| lcuk | but i haven't looked further | 01:47 |
| * lcuk is glancing to his left atm | 01:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry, was busy with updating http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 - I just asked as I thought you said you build on device. I got no space on my PC HDD to install the SDK, that's when I wondered if the N950 "comes with" gcc and make and all... | 02:26 |
| rm_you | DocScrutinizer: I'm currently struggling with getting the SDK on my machine as well | 02:26 |
| rm_you | I'm stuck on windoze on my desktop because i need it for work-from-home | 02:26 |
| rm_you | i want to get a VM set up | 02:27 |
| rm_you | the VM on the garage is the old one i think :/ | 02:27 |
| rm_you | and i only have the vmware player :/ | 02:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles rages a bit. | 02:29 | |
| rm_you | lol GA | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Waiting and waiting | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is the waiting week for me. | 02:31 |
| javispedro | more liek two weeks ;) | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish they'd stop pretending like it's making progress so at least I could focus on something else. | 02:31 |
| javispedro | iirc DHL USA defines the next day by 5:00pm | 02:32 |
| javispedro | so if you haven't got it by 5:00pm Nokia might be entitled to have their money back =) | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good for Nokia. | 02:33 |
| rm_you | yeah i hope they do | 02:36 |
| rm_you | i should email them and tell them to get their money back :P | 02:36 |
| rm_you | just to prod DHL for being sucky | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Keyboard_shortcuts If *anybody* finds a way to select an entry in Search via kbd shortcut, please don't hesitate to share ;-D | 02:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: how much time should I wait in the "Erasing, this may take a while." stage during flash? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 beers? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno, I left after 5 min | 02:39 |
| javispedro | I now need to Google a conversion factor between beers and seconds | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard it takes 20..25min | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc the webpage says "takes 40min" and this seems about right | 02:40 |
| * javispedro sighs | 02:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: at least it works... even "automatically" | 02:45 |
| javispedro | those aegis gods are vengeful. seemed that I could cheat death (aka aegis selfdestruction) by doing that triple reboot thing, but of course, the wrath of aegis ALWAYS eventually falls. | 02:49 |
| javispedro | ok, erasing took 15 min | 02:50 |
| javispedro | and after that, lashing takes 2 minutes | 02:51 |
| javispedro | and done. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: could you check if your one-click-flasher self-erased? | 02:59 |
| javispedro | nope, it's still there | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird, but I can't locate mine anymore | 02:59 |
| javispedro | name starts with Linux_OCF | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | locate Linux_OCF AYE | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuttin | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure I had it ;-) and I can't find it anymore, though I'm also sure I haven't rm'd it | 03:01 |
| javispedro | updatedb? ;) | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | runs each night at 22:15 | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, did yours leave some uncompressed stuff? | 03:02 |
| javispedro | not in $PWD | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's what I wondered | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe $TMP | 03:04 |
| javispedro | /tmp ;) | 03:05 |
| javispedro | nope | 03:05 |
| javispedro | nothing | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet I managed this sucker not only erased the uncompressed files but itself as well | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | should run it again, with a while cp -la . ../keepit/; do :;done, and stop it halfway and get a lsof of it | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply nuke 2 unlink for the while thing via LD_PRELOAD | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | whole* | 03:13 |
| javispedro | I doubt it deletes itself | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder what aegis would think about such hacks | 03:13 |
| javispedro | what do you want to do? get the FIASCO? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | just see what's there, get it all, yeah | 03:14 |
| javispedro | run it without any N950 plugged in and look at /tmp | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 03:14 |
| Termana | morning | 03:16 |
| javispedro | morning, Termana. | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if the RDA ones are different | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I was sort-of-pondering running tar | over them | 03:20 |
| javispedro | comparing dpkg -l lists would be a quick start | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 03:20 |
| javispedro | this very same aegis that forces us to package things also forces nokia to do so =) | 03:20 |
| * javispedro ponders whether continuing with portmap now that i know that aegis could decide to selfdestruct say in the middle of a call | 03:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, found it | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what I did, maybe typo | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | find did the trick | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that I see it, locate of course also shows it ;-P | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yeah, this selfdestruct thing is particularly nasty | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you never know when any arbitrary app will execute a function that makes aegis go bollocks | 03:28 |
| javispedro | btw another thought | 03:28 |
| javispedro | screenbpp is 16 | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, this *is* a real win for user protection | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm wondering since ~8h if *anything* - except wallpaper changer apps - will be actually implementable on this platform. And if so, then if I like the hoops you'd have to jump to establish that | 03:33 |
| javispedro | well, I have still hope. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | your timebomb experience pretty much extinguished all my hope | 03:36 |
| javispedro | yeah, it worries me too. | 03:36 |
| javispedro | but maybe in the next months this clears up. | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then maybe the N950 will collect dust until then | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the longer I think about it, the more I fell like it doesn't make any sense to me to invest time in the whole thing | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | feel* | 03:43 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, 16. . . . | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 16? | 03:54 |
| javispedro | which makes me think that the n9 will also be 16 (95% sure) | 03:54 |
| javispedro | display depth | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | There are also wierd RGBW OLEDs | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | gets managed by driver chip afaik | 03:56 |
| javispedro | the N9 is PenTile (RGBG or sth like that) | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but might open for a possibility to have a larger dynamic range the 16 | 03:56 |
| javispedro | but as DocScrutinizer the chip handles that, from sw it is all 16. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, pentile - the BIG hoax, the ultimate cheating. RGBG == 4 pixels X-P | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why developers "must not use any 1 pixel wide lines or fonts" | 03:59 |
| javispedro | exactly. | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably those who think a pentile AMOLED screen is better than a proper LCD are those who also always thought 800*480 is a waste and 320*240 was just fine and good enough | 04:02 |
| javispedro | well | 04:02 |
| javispedro | I do think 320*240 is mostly enough for a c-ts | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not that simple | 04:02 |
| javispedro | can't really use the extended resolution for anything | 04:03 |
| javispedro | other than photo viewing maybe | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | The eye does not have good colour resolution. | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It has good luminance resolution | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, we probably all know the "retionale" behind PenTile | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | rationale* | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then I insist in my N900 having a resolution of 1600*720 | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the eye's color resolution is equally low on LCD | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and if pentile allows to count R G B G as four pixel, then I dunno why on LCD we can't count R G B as three pixel | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, smoother text. | 04:10 |
| javispedro | smoother 72pt text because of c-ts | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually watching photos or movies probably is the usecase least sensitive and most forgiving to this kind of cheating | 04:11 |
| javispedro | oh, it is | 04:11 |
| javispedro | this reminds me | 04:11 |
| javispedro | is it me or do movies look better on n950? | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they do | 04:11 |
| javispedro | if I compare the same movie on n900 and n950 seems that I can see mpeg artifacts more clearly on n900 | 04:12 |
| javispedro | but this makes no sense. | 04:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer copies a DrHouse mp4 to N950... in a few minutes heads off to TV then, checking AV-out quality | 04:12 | |
| javispedro | also, n950 movie player is utterly slow. a 480p movie that plays flawless on n900 sttutters a bit on n950 | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | YAY | 04:13 |
| javispedro | and 720p (unplayable on n900) is very very very very choppy on n950 despite dsp codec being capable of 720p technically | 04:13 |
| javispedro | my bet is that they're not using the same codec and thus the differences | 04:13 |
| javispedro | have to see that. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to have raster (aka Carsten) strip down the N950 | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | though he's another 320*200 protagonist, his analytics of video performance are sharper than anybody else's I'd know of | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas it's a bit far to .kr, to visit him and show him the device | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster | 04:17 |
| infobot | raster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 9d 18h 56m 25s ago, saying: 'and that means.. screen, opengl-es2, etc. etc.'. | 04:17 |
| javispedro | lol, another webos convert | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, for sure not | 04:19 |
| * javispedro was ashamed when I had the council cloak while wandering around #webos ;) | 04:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still quite happy with my obsolete cloak, wouldn't want to change it for council or whatever | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | I want a meego/harmattan/confused/user cloak | 04:33 |
| ieatlint | i want an openmoko cloak | 04:33 |
| javispedro | I want a milkyway/sol/earth one | 04:33 |
| * SpeedEvil can't quite see his OM from here. | 04:34 | |
| javispedro | either way, Word of God says this OS is named "meego-nokia" | 04:35 |
| javispedro | because that's what the SDK "Maemo-version" package's been replaced with | 04:35 |
| javispedro | "meego-nokia-version" | 04:35 |
| * javispedro ponders whether creating entirely different packaging _or_ the more interesting alternative just do another hackish set of #if MAEMO_VERSION > 5 checks in current packaging | 04:36 | |
| javispedro | one single source package that builds from chinook to harmattan, wouldn't that be awesome. | 04:37 |
| * javispedro can already hear the screams of panic from those that say you should redo the program UI entirely for every platform | 04:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | Can you 'legally' require gtk? | 04:39 |
| javispedro | who is saying anything about gtk | 04:39 |
| javispedro | ;) | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Gods Tool Kit! | 04:40 |
| javispedro | MAEMO_VERSION := $(shell if [ -f /etc/maemo_version ]; then cut -d"." -f1 /etc/maemo_version; elif [ -f /etc/meego-nokia_version ]; then echo 6; else echo 0; fi) | 04:42 |
| javispedro | mwahahahaha | 04:42 |
| ieatlint | i don't have an /etc/meego-nokia_version on my phone | 04:59 |
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| javispedro | oh, fun. | 05:30 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: SDK | 05:30 |
| javispedro | the weird screen resolution introduces, you guessed it | 05:30 |
| javispedro | alignment problems =) | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Harmattan is chaotic neutral? | 05:31 |
| ieatlint | and aegis is lawful evil | 05:32 |
| javispedro | no, but 800x2 scanlines meant they started on very nicely aligned memory. | 05:34 |
| javispedro | for reference n950 is 854x480 | 05:41 |
| javispedro | and if you want to center an image, 854/2 = 427, which is not even 4byte-aligned | 05:42 |
| javispedro | so you get crashes. | 05:42 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so i guess it's been 24 hours now since it left the UK | 05:48 |
| rm_you | T_T | 05:48 |
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| javispedro | N950 performance seems to be 1.7x that of N900 | 05:59 |
| javispedro | CPUwise | 05:59 |
| javispedro | 1.6~1.7x | 06:02 |
| antman8969 | are those figures coming from your gut? | 06:02 |
| javispedro | obviously | 06:03 |
| javispedro | it's not like I have the _DEFINITIVE CPU BENCHMARKING APPLICATION_, do you? | 06:03 |
| antman8969 | you didn't download it yet?? | 06:04 |
| antman8969 | god | 06:04 |
| javispedro | this is just from loading on both the same savestate and counting the amount of 65c816 cycles each one is able to do | 06:05 |
| javispedro | (=snes processor) | 06:05 |
| javispedro | frm the video side, seems that the compositor has taken quite an speedup, dunno if from itself or the video drivers | 06:07 |
| javispedro | as from pushing just about 60 256x256 fps/sec I can now push around 180 on N950 | 06:08 |
| rm_you | javispedro: have you tried playing videos on it yet? | 06:10 |
| rm_you | is there a working mplayer?] | 06:10 |
| javispedro | hmmm.... 180fps tearfree snes *drools* | 06:10 |
| rm_you | wondering what bitrate/FPS/resolution is playable | 06:10 |
| javispedro | rm_you: actually the video player is slower than n900 | 06:11 |
| javispedro | but for some rason videos look nicer | 06:11 |
| rm_you | fffffffffffff | 06:11 |
| javispedro | wild guess: software decoder | 06:11 |
| rm_you | builtin media player? or mplayer even | 06:11 |
| javispedro | builtin | 06:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 06:12 |
| javispedro | and as I thought, enabling multitouch input is super easy with my SDL =) | 06:19 |
| javispedro | bah | 06:22 |
| javispedro | 1' 41'' 14 in Mario Kart when I can usually do 1' 00 on N900 =) | 06:22 |
| * javispedro calls it a day | 06:24 | |
| javispedro | cya | 06:24 |
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| GAN900 | rm_you, w22. :P | 06:26 |
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| rm_you | ? | 06:49 |
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| V13 | hello. I need some help with installing the SDK (The qemu image). where can I find it ? | 12:27 |
| V13 | I've got the N950 and I can't write programs | 12:27 |
| V13 | any ideas where to find the qemu image? I'm using debian and all the scripts that I tried failed. I patched meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 and it finished but it seems that nothing good came out of it. | 12:28 |
| V13 | I've qt creator installed but I want to write python programs, so the qt creator is 100% useless for me. | 12:29 |
| dm8tbr | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Developing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Using_QEMU <-- seen this? | 12:30 |
| V13 | no | 12:30 |
| dm8tbr | now you have :) | 12:30 |
| dm8tbr | browse around, there are also other pages re harmattan | 12:30 |
| V13 | downloading | 12:31 |
| V13 | thanks ! | 12:31 |
| V13 | ok.. i've one more question | 12:31 |
| V13 | wasn't harmattan supposed to use rpm ? | 12:31 |
| V13 | (at least meego) | 12:31 |
| mzanetti | Harmattan isn't real MeeGo in the subsystem | 12:32 |
| tomma | meego uses rpm, harmattan uses deb | 12:32 |
| mzanetti | it only has a compatible API for UI | 12:32 |
| V13 | so harmattan is actually harmattan | 12:32 |
| tomma | V13, there is also platform SDK for harmattan | 12:32 |
| V13 | with some things from meego and qt ? | 12:32 |
| tomma | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html | 12:32 |
| V13 | the harmattan beta sdk script needs scratchbox. | 12:33 |
| V13 | thanks for all that.. one more q: | 12:34 |
| V13 | is there an alternative for sudo in harmattan ? | 12:34 |
| V13 | I'm going to port wifieye which needs to run a script as root | 12:35 |
| V13 | in maemo I used sudo. | 12:35 |
| mzanetti | try aegis-su. At least I can run a root shell with that. But I'm not fully through how the aegis stuff works | 12:36 |
| V13 | oh.. thnks | 12:36 |
| tomma | there is devel-su in developer mode | 12:37 |
| V13 | btw, I believe devel-su is for getting a root sel | 12:37 |
| V13 | shell | 12:37 |
| dm8tbr | I think it's paramount that we learn and document the whole 'capability' thing | 12:37 |
| V13 | there is aegis-exec but I haven't search that | 12:37 |
| dm8tbr | as it's far more important to have the 'capabilities' than being root | 12:38 |
| mzanetti | Is there a way to grab the volume hw buttons? | 12:39 |
| mzanetti | so far I use QmKeys to react to the presses | 12:39 |
| mzanetti | but now they do my actions AND changing the devices volume | 12:40 |
| mzanetti | I would like to grab them exclusively when my app is in foreground | 12:40 |
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| V13 | dm8tbr: I believe that image is for testing apps. not for developing. right ? | 12:47 |
| dm8tbr | V13: dunno, the link was in my browsing history :) | 12:47 |
| V13 | I want something like the maemo's SDK qemu image, which was an ubuntu system with scratchbox and maemo installed | 12:48 |
| tomma | it was virtualbox image? | 12:49 |
| tomma | but if you are running linux system then why cant you just install scratchbox and sdk? | 12:49 |
| V13 | tomma i used it in qemu | 12:50 |
| V13 | tomma it seems that nothing is created for debian | 12:51 |
| V13 | everything is created for ubuntu | 12:51 |
| V13 | and debian has scratchbox2 which seems not to be supported | 12:51 |
| V13 | but please, correct me if I'm wrong | 12:51 |
| tomma | it is scratchbox1 it needs and i think installer script can install it if you dont have one | 12:52 |
| V13 | yes | 12:52 |
| V13 | I've seen that and it messes the system a lot | 12:52 |
| V13 | so I won't install it in my main system... | 12:52 |
| V13 | so either I'll create a qemu image with ubuntu in it, or I need to find something ready about that | 12:52 |
| V13 | is there a qemu image available? | 12:53 |
| V13 | that was for maemo: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ | 12:53 |
| V13 | I could also try using containers but that would take some time | 12:56 |
| dm8tbr | V13: either lxc or just a chroot, both could work | 12:57 |
| V13 | chroot for installing ubuntu.. | 12:57 |
| V13 | never tried a linux install in a chroot | 12:58 |
| V13 | I've used a lot but never tried an installation | 12:58 |
| V13 | wouldn't that cause problems with any kind of gui ? | 12:58 |
| V13 | or udev, etc ? | 12:58 |
| dm8tbr | why would you need a gui? you only need the SB? | 12:58 |
| V13 | the SB would then need to run an X server for the harmattan ui. no ? | 12:59 |
| V13 | fyi: trying this: http://wiki.debian.org/LXC | 13:05 |
| V13 | (not to self. of course, xnest would not be a problem) | 13:09 |
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| Venemo | morning | 13:53 |
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| Venemo | why is it that I _always_ miss when trying to click on a link in the N950 browser | 14:01 |
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| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: find . -name libyaml-perl, please :) | 14:04 |
| djszapi | same with: libtest-exception-perl | 14:06 |
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| rZr | i wish we can rebuilt the whole distro from scratch :) | 14:19 |
| djszapi | rZr: mmh ? | 14:20 |
| rZr | and make custom flashable rom | 14:21 |
| rZr | hey all | 14:24 |
| rZr | let me suggest to list out packages you plan to rebuild or maintain somewhere on this page : http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#List_of_stuff_under_development | 14:25 |
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| rZr | this will avoid to duplicate our efforts | 14:25 |
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| rZr | djszapi_: for you : | 14:25 |
| rZr | <rZr> hey all | 14:25 |
| rZr | <rZr> let me suggest to list out packages you plan to rebuild or maintain somewhere on this page : http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#List_of_stuff_under_development | 14:25 |
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| djszapi_ | yeah, my elisa connection is dodgy ;) | 14:26 |
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| djszapi_ | rZr: I do not think there is a need for what people plan to do. It is a volunteer contribution in leisure time. Anybody can do anything anytime. I think the real solution is to get this shared community repo working and as soon as you have something to share, you can do immediately and visibly. | 14:30 |
| rZr | djszapi_: do u have any text editor to suggest ? | 14:45 |
| djszapi_ | depends on the purpose, I guess xD | 14:46 |
| rZr | something a humman can use with a capacitive screen | 14:46 |
| djszapi_ | there is this "Terminal" application, but I just use terminals over ssh. That has been always enough for me. | 14:47 |
| rZr | i built mg which is emacs baby | 14:48 |
| rZr | i can use it over ssh | 14:48 |
| rZr | but not on device (miss meta key) | 14:48 |
| djszapi_ | also arrow | 14:49 |
| djszapi_ | at least the VK on my N9. =) | 14:50 |
| rZr | gestures ? | 14:51 |
| djszapi_ | sorry ? | 14:53 |
| rZr | just suggested that gestures could replace any key strokes | 14:54 |
| djszapi_ | more or less. | 14:55 |
| Venemo | hm | 14:58 |
| Venemo | does anyone plan to port AutoDisconnect to Harmattan? | 14:59 |
| Venemo | it could be very useful | 15:00 |
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| aapo | Have somebody used g_error (from glib) under harmattan/N950? Seems to me it is not printing error message, but causing only SIGABRT | 15:43 |
| aapo | scratchbox gives error message + qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - core dumped | 15:44 |
| djszapi | check the dump with gdb. | 15:45 |
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| aapo | I checked | 15:46 |
| aapo | most simple example: http://pastebin.com/ArHHkDyx | 15:46 |
| djszapi | qemu has a lot of exceptions, unfortunately. Sometimes I had to turn off the debian package tests because of those exceptions... | 15:46 |
| aapo | backtrace: http://pastebin.com/sCpkCZTs | 15:47 |
| aapo | yeah, I'm not interested in to run it under scratchbox | 15:47 |
| aapo | Is there any schedule when software/firmware of N950 will be updated? I mean should I spend any time now struggling with unrelevant stuff, like g_error, but just wait one(?) week? | 15:52 |
| kimju | I guess there is no public schedule when or even if there is going to be a firmware update for n950. my guess would be that when n9 hits stores.. | 15:55 |
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| djszapi | aapo: well, read the forum. | 16:04 |
| djszapi | There was a discussion about it, but I would not really expect anything from Nokia, just the worst. Hence it can be just better then =) | 16:05 |
| djszapi | They will probably ship a version in the end of September, in my guess because of a new maintenance release if any. | 16:06 |
| piggz | haha, my friend almost won an N9, he cot all the characters correct, but in the wrong order, then someone else got it :) | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | djszapi: no results | 16:12 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: thanks anyway :) | 16:12 |
| djszapi | DocScrutinizer: "find . -name gir1.2-glib-2.0*" | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 16:13 |
| djszapi | What is now the public repository for N950 users, btw ? | 16:14 |
| djszapi | I mean something that you can put into your sources.list | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gobject-introspection/gir1.0-glib-2.0_0.6.14-1+maemo3+0m6_armel.deb | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gobject-introspection/gir1.0-glib-2.0_0.6.14-1+maemo3+0m6_i386.deb | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-07-16/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gobject-introspection/gir1.0-glib-2.0_0.6.14-1+maemo3+0m6_armel.deb | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-07-16/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gobject-introspection/gir1.0-glib-2.0_0.6.14-1+maemo3+0m6_i386.deb | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | oobs sorry for the redundant 2 lines | 16:15 |
| djszapi | is kewl :) Where should I report a search engine feature request btw ? | 16:16 |
| djszapi | is there some separate harmattan bugtracker ? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 16:16 |
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| Mece_ | hello there! | 16:27 |
| piggz | isnt this the marmatter bug tracker? http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/describecomponents.cgi | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, probably | 16:36 |
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| V13 | is there a software rep for harmattan ? | 17:01 |
| Venemo | V13, there is rZr's repo for one | 17:02 |
| V13 | so, developed apps are supposed to go to ovi only ? | 17:03 |
| V13 | I mean: there is not semi-official rep like maemo's extras. right ? | 17:03 |
| V13 | (or official) | 17:03 |
| dm8tbr | there will be cobs | 17:04 |
| V13 | cobs ? | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | so also apps.meego.com most likely | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | community obs | 17:04 |
| V13 | oh | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | build.pub.meego.com | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | supports harmattan already thanks to x-fade | 17:04 |
| V13 | I believe that any repository related to meego will not be usable because of dpkg. right ? | 17:04 |
| V13 | I mean: right now, if i port something to harmattan | 17:06 |
| V13 | what should I do next ? | 17:06 |
| V13 | dev.n.c only mentions ovi store | 17:06 |
| dm8tbr | The stated intent is to have signing also for COBS | 17:07 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not sure if COBS will be able to grant all the capabilities that ovi/nokia store can though | 17:08 |
| V13 | I don't get it | 17:08 |
| V13 | right now I've a n950 | 17:08 |
| V13 | and I'll port some things to it | 17:08 |
| V13 | but where should I publish them ? | 17:08 |
| V13 | only in ovi ? | 17:08 |
| dm8tbr | if it's open source use OBS | 17:09 |
| V13 | it's oss | 17:09 |
| V13 | where is obs ? | 17:09 |
| dm8tbr | https://build.pub.meego.com/user/register_user | 17:09 |
| V13 | and this accepts debian package s? | 17:09 |
| dm8tbr | this will also _build_ debian packages, yes | 17:10 |
| V13 | Perhaps I need to read some things | 17:10 |
| V13 | Since the packager (me in that case) does the packaging. | 17:10 |
| V13 | Won't I only create a debian package ? | 17:10 |
| V13 | (and upload the source) | 17:10 |
| dm8tbr | you create the dsc etc and the OBS builds it | 17:11 |
| dm8tbr | OBS stands for OpenBuildService | 17:11 |
| V13 | I also create the debian/ dir | 17:11 |
| V13 | no ? | 17:11 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#Harmattan_OBS but there should be better pages on the topic | 17:13 |
| V13 | thnks | 17:13 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Into_Harmattan | 17:14 |
| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS rather | 17:14 |
| V13 | thnks dm8tbr | 17:15 |
| V13 | dm8tbr: have you used sb for harmattan ? | 17:17 |
| dm8tbr | nope | 17:23 |
| dm8tbr | didn't get around yet to set up a build environment | 17:23 |
| V13 | i did it but it doesn't show some graphics | 17:24 |
| V13 | only red rectangles | 17:24 |
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| V13 | ok.. one more: If I use SDK-installer-linux-64bit.bin (which comes with N950), it fails with error: "Could not fetch Updates.xml: Error downloading http://repository.meego.nokia.com/meegosdk/..... server replied: Bad Request" | 18:25 |
| V13 | any idea ? | 18:25 |
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| V13 | anyone here able to use *any* sdk for harmattan under linux ? | 18:31 |
| V13 | except from qt creator | 18:31 |
| Venemo | V13, I have the Qt SDK | 18:36 |
| V13 | anything else ? | 18:36 |
| Venemo | Scratchbox is also there | 18:36 |
| V13 | have you managed to use scratchbox ? | 18:36 |
| V13 | That's what I get: http://tinypic.com/r/2je9zef/7 | 18:39 |
| Venemo | I have, but I don't currently have a working installation of it (HDD failure, and it's not yet reinstalled) | 18:40 |
| V13 | did it used to work ? | 18:40 |
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| Venemo | it worked, yes | 18:40 |
| V13 | with all graphics, etc ? | 18:40 |
| V13 | and not like the one I pasted ? | 18:40 |
| Venemo | it had some graphical artifacts | 18:40 |
| Venemo | although I have little use for it now that I have a real N950 | 18:40 |
| V13 | ? | 18:41 |
| V13 | and where are you developing | 18:41 |
| V13 | ? | 18:41 |
| V13 | I'm trying to start righting code for it (I also got a n950) and I can't | 18:41 |
| Venemo | well then, run your apps directly on the N950 | 18:41 |
| V13 | ?? | 18:41 |
| V13 | where will I compile them? | 18:41 |
| Venemo | it is a lot better experience than the Scratchbox-based SDK | 18:41 |
| V13 | and code them? | 18:41 |
| V13 | venemo | 18:41 |
| Venemo | let the Qt SDK take care of that | 18:42 |
| V13 | I suppose that you develop | 18:42 |
| V13 | where are you writting your code ? | 18:42 |
| V13 | I'm using python | 18:42 |
| V13 | so no Qt SDK for that | 18:42 |
| Venemo | you could still do what Qt Creator does in the background | 18:42 |
| V13 | which is ? | 18:42 |
| Venemo | compile with the cross-compiler in MADDE, and have it copy over and run your executable for you | 18:44 |
| V13 | I use python | 18:44 |
| Venemo | since python doesn't need to be compiled, it should be easy | 18:44 |
| V13 | no compilation needed | 18:44 |
| V13 | and I need svn to write code | 18:44 |
| Venemo | thatmakes it even easier | 18:44 |
| V13 | No SVN for n950 | 18:44 |
| V13 | right ? | 18:44 |
| Venemo | dunno, but you can have svn on your computer, that isn't enough? | 18:44 |
| V13 | ?? | 18:44 |
| V13 | you write the code in the svn checkedout tree | 18:45 |
| V13 | and you commit changes | 18:45 |
| V13 | If I'm going to copy-paste files then no need for svn | 18:45 |
| V13 | So I want to compile SVN for harmattan | 18:45 |
| Venemo | indeed. | 18:45 |
| Venemo | hm | 18:45 |
| V13 | but that's not something that can be done with qt sdk | 18:45 |
| Venemo | you do not understand what I'm saying | 18:45 |
| V13 | so I need the freaking SDK | 18:45 |
| * V13 insane | 18:45 | |
| Venemo | MADDE can do what you want | 18:45 |
| V13 | xmm | 18:46 |
| Venemo | it has a full sysroot | 18:46 |
| Venemo | and you can even install additional libs to it | 18:46 |
| V13 | so you say I should go for MADDE ? | 18:46 |
| Venemo | Scratchbox should work too. but if that fails... MADDE can work. | 18:46 |
| V13 | ok.. how do i get madde? | 18:46 |
| Venemo | it's in the Qt SDK | 18:47 |
| V13 | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 18:47 |
| Venemo | that wikipage is a very old entr | 18:47 |
| Venemo | y | 18:47 |
| V13 | I've QtSDK installed | 18:47 |
| V13 | then what ? | 18:47 |
| Venemo | are you on Linux or Windows? | 18:47 |
| V13 | linux | 18:47 |
| Venemo | find its directory | 18:48 |
| V13 | I also has madde installed | 18:48 |
| V13 | and the executables "mad" and "mad-admin" | 18:48 |
| Venemo | then you can use the 'mad' command as described in that wikipage | 18:48 |
| Venemo | use 'mad-admin' to set the current target to Harmattan | 18:48 |
| Venemo | then 'mad make', and you're good to go | 18:48 |
| V13 | meego-core-armv7l-trunk <-- that one ? | 18:49 |
| V13 | #fail there too | 18:49 |
| Venemo | that seems to me meego.com meego, not harmattan | 18:49 |
| V13 | hmm | 18:49 |
| Venemo | nah, I need to get away from the computer, will be back later | 18:50 |
| V13 | thnks anyway | 18:50 |
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| V13 | nothing | 19:11 |
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| vandenoever | is there something like the n900 package manager for n950? | 19:22 |
| V13 | n950 also has apt and dpkg | 19:23 |
| vandenoever | V13: i meant a gui and repository | 19:24 |
| V13 | oh | 19:24 |
| V13 | dunno | 19:24 |
| V13 | couldn't find one | 19:24 |
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| Mek | there is a gui for updates and removal of packages, installing of new package is i think supposed to have a repo-specific gui (so ovi store, some community repo website, things like that) | 19:31 |
| V13 | oh | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, no GUI for app installation (yet), other than Store (""OVI: Coming soon..."") | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | clicking on .deb in browser usually "just works" though, with 2 clicks, one for download and another one to install | 19:43 |
| V13 | is the "nokia account" login supposed to say "not currentl available" (or sthing like that), or is it my problem ? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had same problem for one weekend, then it was fixed for me, maybe due to my reflash, maybe because yahoo/nokia/ovi fixed their web API | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway there's a bug ticket for it, on nokia bugtracker | 19:46 |
| V13 | "service currently unavailable" | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:46 |
| V13 | thnk docs | 19:48 |
| * vandenoever is about to deploy an app to the phone, i've installed harmattan for qtcreator, but without emulator | 19:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | note that I have issues with logging in to OVI on my laptop as well, it frequently needs cleaning out an offending "sessione ended" cookie to re-establish proper login | 19:49 |
| vandenoever | and now i'm wondering if the emulator might be needed for compilation | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise (with this defect cookie) the browser thends to enter a recursive loop and eventually aborts | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny: first surfing to the developer.nokia.com frontpage makes auto-authenticate succeed, and from there it's then possible to jump to the more complex URLs that previously failed | 19:52 |
| V13 | docs: It asks for the ovi account. right ? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jup | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using it with my old joerg900 account now, which seems to work | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: you could try one thing: use Web browser to log in to your OVI account, then while keeping logged in via browser try to activate the "Nokia account" with same credentials | 19:56 |
| V13 | I'm doing something like that | 19:56 |
| V13 | I reset the password | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if it may help, or not | 19:56 |
| V13 | and just changed it from n950 | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | also "resetting to factory defaults" or "delete private info" or sth might clean out the cookie cache | 19:58 |
| V13 | bad thing is that even if i ender a bad password it says the same | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | which also might help | 19:58 |
| V13 | how can i do that ? | 19:58 |
| V13 | (the "delete private info"? ) | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | check settings | 19:59 |
| V13 | there is only full reset | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be same effect I did with my reflash | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess entering wrong user password combo initially to the "Nokia account" stores a cookie somewhere that never gets cleared | 20:00 |
| vandenoever | flashing gets rid of nokia account | 20:01 |
| vandenoever | and contrary to flasing n900 also wipes user files | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings -> apps -> web -> "Clear private data" | 20:02 |
| Mek | only because the flashing script you can download for the n950 also flashes emmc, you can easily hack that bit out of it | 20:02 |
| vandenoever | Mek: good to know, thanks | 20:02 |
| V13 | oh there it is! I'm not used yet to the settigns -> apps thing | 20:03 |
| * vandenoever has a (very ugly) metronome with swinging pendulum running on n950 now | 20:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | settings -> reset -> "restore original settings" | 20:04 |
| vandenoever | DocScrutinizer: that does not erase nokia account | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | we don't want to erase nokia account. after all we're not able to create it | 20:05 |
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| V13 | is it possible that no-sim can cause that problem ? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think there's a cookie or whatever stored on first try to configure nokia account with incorrect data, and that cookie never gets erased after that | 20:06 |
| V13 | I mean: does the number need to be registered to ovi ? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: definitely not | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: I'm using the device without SIM | 20:08 |
| V13 | ok | 20:08 |
| vandenoever | is there a quicker way of closing an application than going to the application overview and pressing down some seconds? | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-Q | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 20:11 |
| Mek | and apparently once the software is finished you can configure down-swipe (or was it up-swipe) to close the app too | 20:12 |
| vandenoever | ok, nice | 20:12 |
| vandenoever | i guess it's good practice to save state before finishing then | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Keyboard_shortcuts FTW (took me some hour to test and list) | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | ah, I wondered who added them and how he found them :) | 20:14 |
| vandenoever | hmm, my application only runs landscape despite calling QmlApplicationViewer::setOrientation | 20:14 |
| lcuk | Mek, up/down swipe is going to be odd - since orientation matters ;) | 20:15 |
| frals | downswipe is always down from current orientation, so not odd at all tbh | 20:19 |
| V13 | ok.. back to the real problem... | 20:29 |
| V13 | I'm trying to use madde | 20:29 |
| V13 | I believe I've currently installed it | 20:29 |
| V13 | so, how do I start writting programs with it ? | 20:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: CINCINNATI!!!! | 20:30 |
| lcuk | frals, when the device is flat on the desk :P | 20:30 |
| rm_you | not sure why it took 22-28 hours to ger there tho | 20:30 |
| lcuk | because it is cincinnati! :P | 20:30 |
| lcuk | you would take 22-28 hours to get there :P | 20:31 |
| rm_you | lcuk: the slow but steady progress of my device: picked up July 14, 14:38, leaves helsinki at 21:53. Arrives July 15 00:44 at Leipzig, leaves immediately. Arrives at East Midlands UK, 2:22, processed at 6:06. Leaves the UK at 3:53 the next day ( july 16). Arrives at Cincinnati 10:52 the next day (July 17) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | rm_you, DHL use airships | 20:34 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:34 |
| rm_you | that would... totally explain it | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, mine too. | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | 10:57 | 20:35 |
| rm_you | GAN900: i wonder when they'll split | 20:35 |
| rm_you | prolly now | 20:35 |
| rm_you | since they hit the US | 20:35 |
| rm_you | yours will head to FL, mine to TX | 20:35 |
| rm_you | I HOPE | 20:35 |
| rm_you | prolly mine will hit Dallas | 20:35 |
| rm_you | unless yours routes to FL through Dallas (or vv) :P | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | Could, don't recall where DHL usually routes through. | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | Probably be here Thursday. | 20:38 |
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| rm_you | lol | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | I'm going to get hit by a bus on the way to pick it up at the DHL center after missing the delivery. | 20:43 |
| vandenoever | do some people have qml apps that follow orientation? | 20:50 |
| Mek | yes, mine workst just fine | 20:55 |
| Mek | using harmatan qt components | 20:55 |
| Mek | iirc that is the only way that is currently really supported | 20:55 |
| vandenoever | Mek: that is different from using QGraphicsView setOrientation that the generated code uses? | 20:58 |
| vandenoever | Mek: can you paste a bit of example or url to doc? | 20:59 |
| Mek | I think I just created a default "harmattan qml applicaiton"or whatever the template in qt creator was called... | 20:59 |
| Mek | and the generated c++ code doesn't do anything orientation related, it only creates q QDeclarativeView that loads the main qml file | 21:00 |
| vandenoever | Mek: same here, but the wizard asked me to say if i wanted auto orientation, i said yes, and this gives | 21:01 |
| vandenoever | viewer.setOrientation(QmlApplicationViewer::ScreenOrientationAuto); | 21:01 |
| vandenoever | in main.cpp | 21:01 |
| vandenoever | but that gives no result | 21:01 |
| Mek | huh? my wizard didn't ask me any such thing. Are you sure you chose the Harmattan template, not the generic qml app template? | 21:02 |
| Mek | QmlApplicaitonViewer is afaik a class that is only generated in the generic template | 21:02 |
| vandenoever | ah, indeed, i started app before i had harmattan installed | 21:03 |
| vandenoever | now qtcreator gives option for harmattan app, i'll try that and port | 21:03 |
| vandenoever | too bad that has no ability to build/run desktop version, that makes debugging slow | 21:04 |
| Mek | you can run on a qemu emulated device :P but debugging from qt creator on the actual device isn't exactly slow either? | 21:05 |
| vandenoever | takes about 20 seconds to start app on device here | 21:08 |
| lcuk | with the way aegis is locking down apps | 21:08 |
| lcuk | do I understand on device qml development is not possible? | 21:08 |
| Mek | I don't think qml files are signed/hashed by aegis? but I didn't try if modifying a qml file makes aegis complain | 21:09 |
| lcuk | Mek, installed by packages | 21:09 |
| lcuk | so most likely so, but others will know | 21:09 |
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| dridk | hello all! I m looking for the qml faster listview used in contact with the search bar and the alphabetic seeker! Does somebody know how can I use it in my qml application for N950 ? | 21:11 |
| Mek | my current app has the qml files embedded in the qt resources, so then you indeed can't edit them on-device, but I would think that it shuold be possible for your app to load qml files that are not necesarily installed as part of a package? (how woulda egis be able to determine that they are qml files and not random other documents?) | 21:11 |
| Mek | I did manage to implement my own search bar, but it took quite some hacking... it seems quite some widgets that exist in libmeegotouch don't exist in qml components... | 21:12 |
| dridk | Mek, yes and that sucks | 21:12 |
| Mek | yeah | 21:13 |
| dridk | I didn't find documentation about Meego API. There are some demo in the N950, but no source , no documentation... | 21:14 |
| dridk | only to see ... :( :( | 21:14 |
| dridk | For exemple, how to integrate application with the phone ( settings, notification etc...) | 21:15 |
| Mek | http://paste.kde.org/97981/ that has my search widget and listview... | 21:15 |
| dridk | Mek, thanks, kde friend ? | 21:16 |
| Mek | inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText is needed because otherwise there is no way to get the text from the text field as it is being typed | 21:16 |
| Mek | dridk: kde developer, yes | 21:16 |
| lcuk | mek that has no actual search functionality though :P | 21:17 |
| Mek | lcuk: the search functionality is in the model reacting to changes to the searchText property :) | 21:17 |
| dridk | Mek, nice to see a community friend :) | 21:17 |
| Mek | and yeah, the model is my own QAbstractItemModel class | 21:17 |
| dridk | And does somebody know where can I have the name of icon theme ? | 21:18 |
| Mek | see what files exist on the device in /usr/share/theme :P | 21:18 |
| dridk | Mek! I copy every icons! Are those icons opensource ? | 21:26 |
| Mek | i have no idea... | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 21:26 |
| dridk | ok, I guess nokia developpers are not present on irc freenode.. | 21:27 |
| Mek | even if they would be they are probably not in any position of being allowed to make statements on behalf of nokia | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mek: ;-D | 21:29 |
| dridk | ok :p ! | 21:30 |
| lcuk | mek, no but they may be in a position to find related documentation/licenses | 21:30 |
| lcuk | which when coming from official sources/sites/repositories etc can be used properly | 21:31 |
| lcuk | perhaps check apt-cache on the theme itself | 21:31 |
| lcuk | usually in debianish there is a license | 21:31 |
| dridk | cool! Icons are GPL! I will publish them on my blog and on nokia wiki to help guys! | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | dridk: i'd look at the bianco license first.. you may have seen the base theme one | 21:32 |
| lcuk | dridk, where does it say icons are GPL? which package are you checking? | 21:33 |
| dridk | Oups.. I think I copy my icons folder in the same place of gpl-2.0.txt... | 21:33 |
| dridk | so, big mistake! Sorry! | 21:34 |
| dridk | And last question : I suppose qml meego component are inside a binary. Impossible to get them. right ? | 21:36 |
| * V13 still doesn't get it | 21:37 | |
| Mek | harmattan components are afaik, yes, meego components at least exist in some version in the gitorious repo, and they seem to match the harmattan ones at least for everything I looked at them for | 21:37 |
| V13 | Can someone please provide me some info on how I can do this: I want to compile svn for harmattan. Which SDK/tool should I use? | 21:38 |
| Mek | and com.nokia.extras components are all plaintext .qml files in /usr/lib/qt/imports | 21:38 |
| * vandenoever wonders how to use e.g. type XYZ from XYZ.qml, now i get 'XYZ is not a type' XYZ.qml is in same folder as main.qml | 21:38 | |
| lcuk | how would a serious app publisher generate qt/qml apps in a closed source manner? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | is there a compiled qml option? | 21:38 |
| Mek | vandenoever: main.qml is loaded from the qt resources in the binary and XYZ.qml isn't in the same resource dir? | 21:39 |
| V13 | lcuk I believe it's more a matter of drm than closed-source | 21:39 |
| vandenoever | ah, so i need to add all files to resouce file | 21:39 |
| V13 | lcuk: If you can't see the code then you can't copy it | 21:39 |
| V13 | lcuk: after all, if you can copy the binary then it's the same thing (w.r.t. to the proprietary code) | 21:40 |
| lcuk | V13 companies keep source code closed for numerous reasons | 21:40 |
| lcuk | copying is only 1 | 21:40 |
| V13 | correct | 21:40 |
| lcuk | the app contains business logic | 21:40 |
| V13 | oh.. you're not referring to mobiles.. you're talking about qml in general | 21:41 |
| lcuk | a well positioned business may have mobiles in its portfolio | 21:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: There's compiled QML in Qt 5; in Qt 4 you can put them in QRC files and/or whatever encryption you want | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ala maemo/meego/iphone/ipad | 21:42 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, but that is moving the flow away from qml | 21:42 |
| lcuk | and publisher has no reason to use qml if the app is just a binary anyway | 21:43 |
| dridk | Mek, oaahoo!! Thanks, I found a lot of extra qml component in usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/extras ! Cool | 21:43 |
| lcuk | i realise now qml is just one layer, and hopefully with qt5 a mechanism will be possible | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but if we expect qml/js to expand | 21:43 |
| lcuk | and complete apps generated without a binary component at all | 21:44 |
| lcuk | (which REALLY simplifies deployment) | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: That isn't moving the flow away from QML IMHO. Nor does it reduce the benefits of QML | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Most publishers/devs - especially closed source ones - won't be publishing straight from their device. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, if developers are being told to create binaries anyway, it is not incentive to actually expand on qml route | 21:45 |
| lcuk | the direct from device bit is completely different topic from earlier | 21:45 |
| lcuk | not related to this thought | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Packages are binary. The benefits of QML are fast development, rapid prototyping, flexible and powerful UIs etc. | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: That QML files are interpreted doesn't seem to be an advantage | 21:45 |
| lcuk | fast development, rapid prototyping are a function of the IDE and not specifically to the toolkit | 21:47 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, it will do when the number of architectures grows | 21:48 |
| lcuk | look at the OBS complexity already | 21:48 |
| lcuk | just wait another 12 months and the sheer number of platforms your single binary package will have to be built to | 21:48 |
| lcuk | then consider being able to directly download your package from gitorious without ever compiling it | 21:48 |
| lcuk | and running it like a real thing :) | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I can see your point, but directly executing obfuscated QML doesn't seem to be on the roadmap. | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: But you were talking about closed source apps, whose source wouldn't be on gitorious | 21:49 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, example for clarity, the principle of a (encrypted) source repo is right | 21:50 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, that might be feasible almost today actually, git installs on the device happily | 21:50 |
| * lcuk hmms | 21:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | Can apps be entirely QML/js? | 21:52 |
| Mek | in theory, yes (although you'll of course need a binary like qmlviewer to load the qml) | 21:53 |
| Jaffa | In practice, not *quite* at the moment. | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | Although Qt Creator will create an appropriate stub main.cpp which bootstraps your app | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 21:57 |
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| vandenoever | ok, now my application looks good and respects orientation, only problem left: sound is not played anymore | 22:13 |
| vandenoever | perhaps Audio {} has a problem reading from qrc | 22:13 |
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| vandenoever | indeed, gstreamer !♥ qrc | 22:20 |
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| javispedro | seemingly the N950 supports 802.11 n | 23:05 |
| javispedro | or at least wifi chipset (wl1273?) does | 23:05 |
| antman8969 | do devs in here plan on making their qpplications available to Maemo 5 as well? | 23:14 |
| flux | I guess it's at least feasible for GUI apps, if the QT available for Maemo 5 isn't too much behind times.. | 23:15 |
| antman8969 | thats what I was wondering. Is there going to be a Qt update for it? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | antman8969, many of the developers here already have their apps on nmaemo5 | 23:16 |
| antman8969 | is a reason that I can't just build from source in scratchbox for maemo? | 23:16 |
| antman8969 | yes but, as I use qml more and more, I find parts of it that do not work in maemo 5 lcuk | 23:17 |
| dm8tbr | javispedro: if it's a wilink6 then it's just single channel, single antenna with n modulation. so don't expect bandwith wonders | 23:18 |
| dm8tbr | iow SISO not MIMO | 23:18 |
| lcuk | antman8969, who said anything about qml? | 23:18 |
| lcuk | you asked whether developers would put their apps on m5 | 23:19 |
| lcuk | i answered :P | 23:19 |
| antman8969 | lol I should have be explicit I suppose | 23:19 |
| lcuk | what you should have said is whether their new apps will be on m5 ;) | 23:19 |
| antman8969 | will their QML*** aps be on maemo 5? | 23:19 |
| antman8969 | *phew* | 23:19 |
| * lcuk will be updating an app for Maemo4 in a few days | 23:19 | |
| lcuk | and Maemo5 and Maemo6 actually | 23:20 |
| lcuk | as well as MeeGo | 23:20 |
| antman8969 | using qml?? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | no | 23:20 |
| antman8969 | how do the desktop components look on harmattan? | 23:20 |
| lcuk | idk | 23:21 |
| lcuk | not looked | 23:21 |
| lcuk | but my calendar looks like it does everywhere else | 23:21 |
| antman8969 | could I get the app name? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | liqcalendar http://www.my-maemo.com/grafika/liqcalendar.jpg | 23:22 |
| antman8969 | and that's using plain Qt? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | no | 23:24 |
| * lcuk has a qt build but that is not what is used on maemo etc | 23:24 | |
| antman8969 | lol clearly i';m confused | 23:25 |
| antman8969 | gtk? | 23:25 |
| lcuk | no | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | now what? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo4 maemo5 qml maemo6 meego, I'm seriously confused | 23:26 |
| antman8969 | lol | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you missed this chan is #maemo after all | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | on #harmattan the context was a bit more predefined | 23:29 |
| * javispedro is now confused too | 23:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | as there app usually means qml app | 23:29 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | so why were you spending hours complaining about the kernel which most certainly is not qml | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not explicitly mentioning any M[456] would default to harmattan aka M6 | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: why are you spending seconds of your valuable time asking me riddles? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | time was not wasted, I was rolling a cig | 23:32 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, departed 16:16 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: seems to me the whole effort posting this question was a complete waste of time anyway | 23:33 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:33 |
| rm_you | GAN900: mine is still in Cincinnati | 23:33 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, which part do you have a problem with? really I was talking with antman8969 | 23:34 |
| GAN900 | Woo! | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I notice a rising frequency in you posting such things, which at best could be considered mild trolling | 23:34 |
| * lcuk wonders what he posted now | 23:35 | |
| antman8969 | i am REALLY confused | 23:35 |
| lcuk | ditto antman8969 | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i will go for a smoke | 23:35 |
| antman8969 | lol alright.... | 23:36 |
| lcuk | perhaps DocScrutinizer can fill you in whilst I am gone | 23:36 |
| antman8969 | aparently our mention of m4 5 and 6 alarmed him when he did not wish to be alarmed | 23:36 |
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| antman8969 | I swear, it was an actual conversation though... | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | antman8969: this channel is 99.9% about devels making apps for m5 | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the question "do devels here plan to also publish their apps for m5" is a bit bizarre | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it was all sane on #harmattan though | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what got me confused and then alarmed | 23:41 |
| antman8969 | not if you want to know how many devs were planning to support both platforms.... It would be equally out of place if I asked how many devs were planning to support m6 in #maemo | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, sorry, I'm COMPLETELY off topic and in wrong tab | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | scratch it ALL please, and sorry | 23:42 |
| antman8969 | lol still slightly confused....but ok! | 23:42 |
| Mek | bah, my n950 seems to no longer be able to flash the cmt-mcusw part of an image... which somehow seems to make it not find its modem or at least not recognize any sim card... | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought I'm in #maemo | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a "issue" with my irc client's tabs | 23:43 |
| * GAN900 hands DocScrutinizer a candy bar. | 23:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: thanks | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | much needed | 23:43 |
| antman8969 | i see | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you see I urgently need off-time | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 23:44 |
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| Mece | hello | 23:48 |
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| Mece | I have run into an annoying problem. | 23:50 |
| Mece | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 23:53 |
| Mece | which process would that be I wonder... | 23:54 |
| Mek | some process checking for updates I assume? just wait a little bit and try again? | 23:54 |
| Mece | well nothing happens. been waiting for a long time.. | 23:55 |
| Mece | i have very poor reception so my guess is it failed and forgot to unlock | 23:55 |
| antman8969 | restarting almost certainly will fix it... | 23:57 |
| antman8969 | For me it's usually HAM doing it, and dpkg --configure -a seems to fix it (probably by mistake) | 23:58 |
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