| tobixen | come to the wellington! | 00:07 |
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| matti | ;] | 01:36 |
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| Hawkz | ls | 02:32 |
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| MrTopf | Hi christel | 02:40 |
| MrTopf | chrisw even | 02:40 |
| chrisw | :-) | 02:41 |
| Mez | only the two hardcore and ianto left at the aussie bar! | 02:42 |
| Aquilae | Well, I just came back. | 02:45 |
| Mez | where you be? | 02:47 |
| MrTopf | I also came back, actually to code something but now I am simply too tired and will go to bed ;-) | 02:48 |
| MrTopf | so see you tomorrow at the keynote (let's see who will be there) | 02:48 |
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| Aquilae | Now: at Premier. Few moments ago: at the Aussie bar. | 02:48 |
| Mez | people need to be drinking to uptown girk | 02:48 |
| Mez | Aquilae: come back! joim the hardcorere | 02:48 |
| Mez | s/rere/re/ | 02:49 |
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| Aquilae | How about s/im/in as well? | 02:50 |
| Mez | ? | 02:50 |
| Aquilae | But yeah, I'm already half naked and I have quite a few e-mails to be answered. | 02:50 |
| Aquilae | Joim. | 02:50 |
| Mez | come half naked, i'm sure it'll be amusing! | 02:51 |
| Aquilae | I bet. :P | 02:51 |
| Aquilae | But yeah, I'll try to sleep even remotely normally for change. | 02:52 |
| Aquilae | Sorry. <.z | 02:52 |
| Mez | :( | 02:52 |
| Aquilae | ... <.z == :> | 02:52 |
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| tobixen | is the premier bar still open? We got thrown out of wellington quite a while ago | 03:58 |
| tobixen | wellington ... crazy pub ... I thought I'd manage to get through all of their beers during my stay in Birmingham ... but their changing their selection all the time. Today they got in a cask with a new kind of ale, a bit later today we drunk it up ... and another beer we drunk up as well today ... so that overview of beer brands is really changing real time ;-) | 04:03 |
| tobixen | (hm, was that line truncated) | 04:03 |
| tobixen | ? | 04:03 |
| Mez | tobixen: you should have come to the Aussie Bar... twas fun | 04:16 |
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| ianto | Anyone just got back? | 05:43 |
| Tv | revenge of the jetlag :( | 07:38 |
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| holdenweb | Quiet this morning ... | 08:37 |
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| Rains | if you are in the Adrian Boult Hall and you are playing Paramore on your iPod VERY loudly, please turn it down. I'm surprised you can hear anything at all ! | 10:54 |
| tobixen | sdfsdfsfd | 10:55 |
| tobixen | oups | 10:55 |
| tobixen | sorry | 10:55 |
| tobixen | (really laggy internet) | 10:55 |
| MetalJoe | hehe | 10:56 |
| MetalJoe | np | 10:56 |
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| MetalJoe | aye, not fun | 10:56 |
| MetalJoe | did I see something about a MoinMoin openspace at 11? I'm not going to be around as there's a talk on I want to go to :-( | 10:57 |
| tobixen | packet loss could as well use avian carriers for the TCP packets | 10:57 |
| tobixen | grumble | 10:57 |
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| MetalJoe | or smoke signals :-) | 10:58 |
| nick_fn | slept in :-/ | 10:58 |
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| penmark | nick_fn: hahaha! | 11:01 |
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| DuncF | morning all | 11:01 |
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| mikaelmoutakis | good morning | 11:01 |
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| MetalJoe | morning | 11:02 |
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| mgedmin_ | yay link quality improved | 11:07 |
| tobixen | yes | 11:08 |
| tobixen | for me too | 11:08 |
| tobixen | (probably others are having so much problems they can't complain on IRC) | 11:08 |
| Nailor | Well, those don't count, right? ;) | 11:08 |
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| mikaelmoutakis | IRC still working. Web browsing not working that well. Yay for old protocols | 11:19 |
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| chrisw | arg... does anyone know if package_data works as a parameter to setuptools' setup function?! | 11:23 |
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| CaptSolo | yet another IT related conference with non-existant wifi connectivity? | 11:50 |
| Nailor | Seems to work for me.. | 11:51 |
| CaptSolo | was reading reports of network problems here earlier on | 11:52 |
| CaptSolo | an not it was just silence here ... | 11:53 |
| CaptSolo | good to know it works | 11:53 |
| Nailor | Well the wifi is bit flaky | 11:53 |
| Nailor | or was, yesterday | 11:53 |
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| Nailor | seems to work today | 11:53 |
| * CaptSolo hoping to read some reports from EuroPython here | 11:53 | |
| CaptSolo | Nailor: good | 11:53 |
| CaptSolo | ah, the keynote was one, perhaps that is why it was so quiet here | 12:00 |
| CaptSolo | s/one/on/ | 12:00 |
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| tobixen | internet works very well sometimes, other times not at all ... the biggest issue is that we're extremely many people with laptops and other wifi devices ... | 12:22 |
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| SafPlusPlus | I was almost tempted to try to upload yesterdays pictures from the ABH... But that would probably have taken more than the length of the talk... :) | 12:23 |
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| CaptSolo | tobixen: many people w. many wifi devices is not something unexpected, is it? probably 2 wifi devices per participant on average | 12:27 |
| SafPlusPlus | hehe, indeed... | 12:28 |
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| tobixen | we're more people on this europython than ever before, and it really seems to be limits for how many devices that can be online within a small are | 12:31 |
| tobixen | a | 12:31 |
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| CaptSolo | tobixen: i have seen almost no IT conferences where wifi did not suck. with just a small number of exceptions. europython has probably bigger challeges as its budget might be limited. but commercial events suffer from same thing. | 12:32 |
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| CaptSolo | tobixen: see http://www.flickr.com/photos/captsolo/3011961218/ :) | 12:33 |
| tobixen | actually, it was working out relatively well on previous europythons | 12:34 |
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| CaptSolo | well, you are on IRC now, so it is working somewhat | 12:34 |
| CaptSolo | tobixen: what talk are you in? | 12:35 |
| SafPlusPlus | Hmmm... I seem to have hit my upload limit on Flickr? I'm such a newbie... :) | 12:35 |
| tobixen | climate data | 12:35 |
| SafPlusPlus | Time to get some tea. | 12:35 |
| CaptSolo | tobixen: interesting. | 12:35 |
| CaptSolo | and a couple of semantic web talks coming up in the same room after the break | 12:36 |
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| CaptSolo | seems like live-reporting from conferences has all move from IRC into Twitter | 12:39 |
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| tobixen | that sucks a bit ... | 12:39 |
| CaptSolo | irc allows to write a bit more than twitter and have more of a conversation | 12:40 |
| CaptSolo | but it depends on which of these mediums has a critical mass of participants | 12:41 |
| CaptSolo | guess will just have to follow twitter search | 12:41 |
| CaptSolo | tobixen: and, indeed, that sux somewhat | 12:41 |
| SafPlusPlus | Agreed... | 12:42 |
| CaptSolo | well, if you are in one of sessions, welcome to report best bits here :) | 12:44 |
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| fiona` | i wonder how long the connection will hold up... | 12:47 |
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| dreimark | when do we have the openspace meeting about the conference for 2011-2012 | 13:04 |
| dreimark | today or tom? | 13:04 |
| Nailor | Today at 2, iirc | 13:04 |
| Nailor | Better however verify it from somewhere | 13:04 |
| Mez | Tomorrow... | 13:06 |
| chrisw | anyone here know if distutils-sig mailing list is broken? | 13:08 |
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| Mez | chrisw: no idea... | 13:09 |
| * chrisw sulks at setuptools suckage and his inability to whine about it... | 13:09 | |
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| Mez | I think we killed ianto last night | 13:13 |
| fiona` | how come | 13:15 |
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| Mez | he's dissappeared | 13:16 |
| fiona` | dun dun dunnn | 13:18 |
| Mez | r, he hasn't turned up yet today. | 13:19 |
| Mez | still dissapointed in you fiona` | 13:19 |
| fiona` | :( | 13:19 |
| fiona` | you have no idea how tired i waaas~ | 13:19 |
| Mez | Maybe not... but still.. we were meant to cause mischief | 13:20 |
| fiona` | oh well | 13:20 |
| fiona` | have to see how i feel after the dinner tonight | 13:21 |
| Mez | well, I might not be up for it tonight. I do need to get some sleep. | 13:21 |
| fiona` | psssh | 13:21 |
| fiona` | i'm leaving tomorrow | 13:21 |
| fiona` | foreveeeeerrr | 13:21 |
| Mez | you're only in manchester :D | 13:22 |
| fiona` | true | 13:22 |
| Mez | I'm sure I'll be visiting Jilly's at some point | 13:23 |
| Mez | right, I should actually be paying attention to this talk :D | 13:23 |
| * Mez -> af | 13:23 | |
| Mez | k | 13:23 |
| fiona` | :) | 13:24 |
| tobixen | anyone else have problems with gmail? | 13:24 |
| tobixen | seems like my network connection works fine now ... except for gmail | 13:24 |
| Nailor | My gmail works ok | 13:24 |
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| Tv | I keep forgetting that Jonathan Lange = jml | 13:59 |
| Tv | heh | 13:59 |
| MetalJoe | :-) | 14:01 |
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| holizz | Anybody in turtle.py? | 14:19 |
| chrisw | am I here? | 14:19 |
| * MetalJoe is currently in the unittest talk | 14:19 | |
| xorAxAx | vm panel! | 14:20 |
| Tv | chrisw: no, you're over there | 14:20 |
| Tv | unittest talk: she has a darn good point | 14:21 |
| chrisw | hmm, #python tells me I disconected from the server | 14:21 |
| Tv | i haven't inherited a unit test class in ages, unless i actually use self.foo | 14:21 |
| * Tv hugs nose | 14:21 | |
| MetalJoe | so you're online through magic? | 14:21 |
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| MetalJoe | obviously chrisw was online through magic | 14:23 |
| Tv | locked in a cage underwater in a strait jacket | 14:23 |
| * MetalJoe must remember to look into nose more | 14:24 | |
| MetalJoe | heh | 14:24 |
| MetalJoe | more=again, obviously | 14:24 |
| Tv | nose is awesome because writing the tests feels more pythonic | 14:25 |
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| Tv | def test_foo(): | 14:25 |
| Tv | eq(1, 1) | 14:25 |
| MetalJoe | whoah, steady ;-) | 14:25 |
| Tv | i just want to be *sure* | 14:25 |
| MetalJoe | all my Java TDD books will become obsolete | 14:26 |
| Tv | they already were | 14:26 |
| MetalJoe | :-) | 14:26 |
| Tv | most things published are obsolete before they become dead trees, you know | 14:26 |
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| Tv | java ones were probably obsolete a bit before they were written ;) | 14:26 |
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| Tv | LUUUNCH | 14:27 |
| MetalJoe | YAY | 14:27 |
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| MetalJoe | I'm hungry | 14:27 |
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| nick_fn_tablet | lunch staggered again today? | 14:27 |
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| holizz | I hope there isn't too long a queue. | 14:34 |
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| Tv | not sure if i'd call that lunch a yay | 14:55 |
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| jml | Tv, :) | 15:19 |
| Tv | jml: btw nice talk, though i'm in the "just use nose" category | 15:20 |
| jml | Tv, can I run tests that return deferreds using nose? | 15:21 |
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| Tv | jml: no but twisted is a pain anyway ;) | 15:21 |
| Tv | jml: there's nothing inherently nosey about that problem | 15:21 |
| jml | Tv, that's kind of my point, I guess | 15:21 |
| Tv | what i like about nose is that writing tests feels way more pythonic, none of that "inherit a class even if you don't say self.foo ever" stuff | 15:22 |
| jml | Tv, I can run tests that return Deferreds in zope.testing... | 15:22 |
| jml | because the interesting bits of trial are in the TsetCase subclass | 15:22 |
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| CaptSolo | jml: re. testing and deferreds you can use Trial which is a part of Twisted | 15:23 |
| CaptSolo | http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/testing.html | 15:23 |
| CaptSolo | right, you mentioned trial already | 15:23 |
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| jml | CaptSolo, yeah, but the good thing about the way trial is written is that you don't have to use the trial runner in order to get that deferred testing ability -- they're independent. | 15:24 |
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| CaptSolo | jml: meaning you could use any other testing framework to test deferreds? | 15:27 |
| jml | CaptSolo, as long as the other testing framework isn't gratuitously broken | 15:27 |
| jml | you still need to inherit from t.trial.unittest.TestCase | 15:27 |
| CaptSolo | jml: though i tried trial and quite liked it | 15:28 |
| CaptSolo | not enough experience w other frameworks to compare them | 15:28 |
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| CaptSolo | guess any using any unit testing framework (and doing unit testing at all) is better than using nothing at all | 15:28 |
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| jml | +1 t othat | 15:31 |
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| tlotze | hi | 15:33 |
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| LarstiQ | jml: are you around somewhere? | 15:35 |
| tlotze | I wonder who at the conference might be interested in telling me something about packaging Python projhects for Ubuntu, some time during the coffee break or so. | 15:35 |
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| Nailor | Tv: ohhai, are you at the venue? | 15:37 |
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| Tv | Nailor: yeah at the auditorium | 15:38 |
| Tv | Nailor: middle left side | 15:38 |
| Nailor | Ok, I'll be heading that way soon | 15:38 |
| Tv | makin' slides and fixin' unit tests | 15:39 |
| Nailor | :) | 15:39 |
| LarstiQ | Tv: you have unit tests for your slides? ;) | 15:39 |
| Tv | LarstiQ: actually, that too ;) | 15:39 |
| Tv | my slides include unit tests, and i've tested they work | 15:40 |
| LarstiQ | ah, right | 15:41 |
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| matti | ;] | 16:02 |
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| ianto | Hello all | 16:39 |
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| tobixen | wikipedia says something different from what the speaker claims regarding the ownership of Bletchley park | 16:51 |
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| vrialland | hi | 16:54 |
| vrialland | is there any live stream from the conferences ? | 16:55 |
| tobixen | probably not | 16:56 |
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| dreimark | what's the meaning of "price draw" do we have to fill out something | 17:23 |
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| dreimark | vrialland: there will be access to some session movies later | 17:26 |
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| vrialland | ok thanks dreimark | 17:37 |
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| * SafPlusPlus waves to Reimar | 18:02 | |
| * SafPlusPlus stays connected. | 18:03 | |
| * dreimark waves back | 18:06 | |
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| Tv | you have a mic, don't shout :( | 18:30 |
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| MetalJoe | he's just excited | 18:31 |
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| ambv | OMG | 18:36 |
| ambv | the wi-fi works | 18:36 |
| ambv | /me YAY | 18:36 |
| * ambv YAY | 18:36 | |
| SafPlusPlus | Indeed... :) | 18:36 |
| ambv | :) | 18:36 |
| dreimark | sure | 18:37 |
| * SafPlusPlus highfives ambv | 18:37 | |
| ambv | SafPlusPlus: LOL | 18:37 |
| SafPlusPlus | I feel almost guilty (again) taking up valuable air space by using irc... :) | 18:38 |
| ambv | yeah | 18:38 |
| ambv | the loads of traffic you're using up | 18:38 |
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| ambv | dobee, no! | 18:38 |
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| ambv | bzzt. | 18:38 |
| ambv | ;) | 18:38 |
| SafPlusPlus | Then again, I see somone logged into mybrute... (big waste of data... | 18:39 |
| ambv | the most annoying ones must be the bittorrent users | 18:39 |
| SafPlusPlus | Hehe... | 18:39 |
| ambv | who collect movies for the evenings without wi-fi at Etap | 18:39 |
| ambv | "let's download the Internet for offline use" | 18:39 |
| SafPlusPlus | Lots of harddrives... | 18:40 |
| Tv | ambv: hehe i grabbed 55GB of data before leaving home ;) | 18:40 |
| SafPlusPlus | :P | 18:40 |
| ambv | HMM | 18:41 |
| SafPlusPlus | In wonder how interesting this talk is... | 18:41 |
| ambv | I have to figure out how to raise my income by 50 million euro | 18:41 |
| SafPlusPlus | hehe | 18:41 |
| ambv | goal at 6 | 18:42 |
| * ambv laughs pitifully | 18:42 | |
| SafPlusPlus | Indeed | 18:42 |
| ambv | 32bit JVM? | 18:43 |
| SafPlusPlus | But it depends though... If you're not in control of the db layout, you might be screwed... | 18:43 |
| ambv | oh, memcached | 18:44 |
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| ambv | "funky Java code" FTW :) | 18:47 |
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| ambv | whoa. websplit | 18:47 |
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| SafPlusPlus | How interesting... | 18:48 |
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| SafPlusPlus | lol | 18:51 |
| ambv | hehehehehe | 18:51 |
| * ambv wants one | 18:51 | |
| ambv | !!! | 18:51 |
| ambv | the button to turn off the Internet | 18:51 |
| Tv | ambv: i have a leatherman for that | 18:52 |
| SafPlusPlus | Nazbatec? bunnies | 18:52 |
| CanariX | Nazbatag I think | 18:52 |
| SafPlusPlus | Would make more sense... | 18:53 |
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| * SafPlusPlus feels like browing thinkgeek/dealextreme now... | 18:54 | |
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| SafPlusPlus | Story time! | 18:58 |
| SafPlusPlus | Once apon a time.... | 18:58 |
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| SafPlusPlus | Should be interesting... | 19:01 |
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| SafPlusPlus | raw_id=True is bad too | 19:02 |
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| SafPlusPlus | Go Fiona! | 19:06 |
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| SafPlusPlus | Seems pretty decent, but I have my doubts about matplotlib and concurent sessions... | 19:08 |
| SafPlusPlus | cairo is nice, but I thought the python bindings weren't really up to date... | 19:13 |
| SafPlusPlus | I feel lik I probably should be talking on twitter, since I see so many people do that. | 19:14 |
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| SafPlusPlus | lol | 19:17 |
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| zarq | no-one succeeds in getting their connection stable | 19:20 |
| ambv | because they're using Linux like Fiona | 19:20 |
| SafPlusPlus | Probably the reason everyone's using twitter... | 19:20 |
| SafPlusPlus | :P | 19:21 |
| SafPlusPlus | Instead of osx? | 19:21 |
| ronny | lol | 19:25 |
| zarq | yeah i'm on osx, it works only for a while and then fails | 19:25 |
| Nailor | Fails badly, if you don't carry the fancy adapter with you. :) | 19:25 |
| SafPlusPlus | Meh, my lap is getting too hot, gonna put down the macbook | 19:25 |
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| * Tv is waiting for the roof to fall | 19:43 | |
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| * ambv is feeling so abashed | 19:48 | |
| ambv | the Guido session was a genuine pain even at the first day | 19:48 |
| ambv | but this... this was it, this was THE single most unprofessional thing I've seen in any public gatherings I've attended to my entire life | 19:49 |
| ambv | oops :( | 19:49 |
| ambv | I hope the dinner will cover the taste | 19:50 |
| chrisw | ah, quit whining unless you wanna do better... | 19:50 |
| ambv | chrisw: your logic is flawed | 19:51 |
| chrisw | admittedly, the choice of skype was a poor one... I would have just tried a 3G video call, although that might well have been expensive... | 19:51 |
| Tv | hey i'll be more extreme and say every keynotey thing by Guido i've experienced so far has been painful | 19:52 |
| Tv | so there ;) | 19:52 |
| chrisw | :-) | 19:53 |
| Tv | i think this is a good keynote but i'm too jetlag-tired-confused to understand much of it | 19:56 |
| Tv | attention span of a ooh shiny | 19:56 |
| chrisw | very polite :-) | 19:58 |
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| * Mez wonder if the conservatoire has beds anywhere | 20:55 | |
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| matti | Hm. | 21:10 |
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| matti | ;] | 22:18 |
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| Mez | i was half expectung more sporks | 23:30 |
| matti | ? | 23:30 |
| Mez | at the meal! | 23:30 |
| matti | Is it any good? | 23:31 |
| Mez | matti, you haven't said hi yet. where you @? | 23:31 |
| Mez | you didnt come? | 23:31 |
| matti | Mez: I am not very good at social events ;] | 23:31 |
| Mez | aw. | 23:31 |
| Mez | good ood though. | 23:32 |
| Mez | food* | 23:32 |
| matti | Mez: Plus, I had a nap... which was a bit too long :< | 23:32 |
| Mez | ish... | 23:32 |
| Mez | lol | 23:32 |
| Mez | you still haven't said hi though! | 23:32 |
| Mez | and you're missing a talk | 23:32 |
| matti | Hi Mez | 23:32 |
| matti | Missing a talk? | 23:33 |
| Mez | i meant in person | 23:33 |
| matti | No. | 23:33 |
| matti | We have spoken few times ;] | 23:33 |
| matti | Already. | 23:33 |
| matti | ;] | 23:33 |
| Mez | have we? | 23:33 |
| matti | Remember Zeth's talk? You were sitting on my left hand side with the microphone. | 23:34 |
| matti | ;] | 23:34 |
| Mez | you didnt twll me! | 23:34 |
| Mez | i cant remember wjat you looked like though! | 23:35 |
| matti | ;] | 23:35 |
| Mez | introduce yourself next time. | 23:35 |
| Mez | you're sharing with ianto arent you? | 23:36 |
| matti | Yes, he is sharing with me. | 23:36 |
| Mez | same thing. i've tried to keep him away from the coke today | 23:36 |
| matti | Good. | 23:37 |
| matti | Thanks ;] | 23:37 |
| brobostigon | sugar, :( | 23:37 |
| Mez | cant say i managed :-'' | 23:37 |
| matti | I was hoping for GPG keysingning. | 23:37 |
| matti | But almost nobody showed up. | 23:37 |
| matti | Freakin' Oracle guy was giving away his t-shirts in the same time. | 23:38 |
| Mez | matti,there were about 16 | 23:38 |
| matti | Mez: I waited 5 minutes and then walked away. | 23:38 |
| Mez | ah well, find me tomorrow and i'll exchange keys | 23:38 |
| Mez | i was there at 3.3m as timetabled | 23:39 |
| Mez | 3:30* | 23:39 |
| matti | When I was there there was only ianto | 23:39 |
| matti | With his driving license and piece of paper. | 23:39 |
| matti | ;] | 23:39 |
| Mez | ianto didnt get the piece of paper until i and cmooney had sent him! | 23:40 |
| matti | ? | 23:40 |
| matti | I mean, something with his fingerprint. | 23:40 |
| matti | ;] | 23:40 |
| Mez | if iy was a printout then that was after | 23:41 |
| Mez | as i said, find me tomorrow, we can exchange keys | 23:41 |
| Mez | i'm the most caluable anyway, being a debian developer | 23:41 |
| matti | ;] | 23:42 |
| matti | ROTLF | 23:44 |
| matti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8 | 23:44 |
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