IRC log of #europython for Wednesday, 2009-07-01

tobixencome to the wellington!00:07
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matti;]01:36
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Hawkzls02:32
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MrTopfHi christel02:40
MrTopfchrisw even02:40
chrisw:-)02:41
Mezonly the two hardcore and ianto left at the aussie bar!02:42
AquilaeWell, I just came back.02:45
Mezwhere you be?02:47
MrTopfI also came back, actually to code something but now I am simply too tired and will go to bed ;-)02:48
MrTopfso see you tomorrow at the keynote (let's see who will be there)02:48
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AquilaeNow: at Premier. Few moments ago: at the Aussie bar.02:48
Mezpeople need to be drinking to uptown girk02:48
MezAquilae: come back! joim the hardcorere02:48
Mezs/rere/re/02:49
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AquilaeHow about s/im/in as well?02:50
Mez?02:50
AquilaeBut yeah, I'm already half naked and I have quite a few e-mails to be answered.02:50
AquilaeJoim.02:50
Mezcome half naked, i'm sure it'll  be amusing!02:51
AquilaeI bet. :P02:51
AquilaeBut yeah, I'll try to sleep even remotely normally for change.02:52
AquilaeSorry. <.z02:52
Mez:(02:52
Aquilae... <.z == :>02:52
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tobixenis the premier bar still open?  We got thrown out of wellington quite a while ago03:58
tobixenwellington ... crazy pub ... I thought I'd manage to get through all of their beers during my stay in Birmingham ... but their changing their selection all the time.  Today they got in a cask with a new kind of ale, a bit later today we drunk it up ... and another beer we drunk up as well today ... so that overview of beer brands is really changing real time ;-)04:03
tobixen(hm, was that line truncated)04:03
tobixen?04:03
Meztobixen: you should have come to the Aussie Bar... twas fun04:16
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iantoAnyone just got back?05:43
Tvrevenge of the jetlag :(07:38
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holdenwebQuiet this morning ...08:37
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Rainsif you are in the Adrian Boult Hall and you are playing Paramore on your iPod VERY loudly, please turn it down.  I'm surprised you can hear anything at all !10:54
tobixensdfsdfsfd10:55
tobixenoups10:55
tobixensorry10:55
tobixen(really laggy internet)10:55
MetalJoehehe10:56
MetalJoenp10:56
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MetalJoeaye, not fun10:56
MetalJoedid I see something about a MoinMoin openspace at 11? I'm not going to be around as there's a talk on I want to go to :-(10:57
tobixenpacket loss could as well use avian carriers for the TCP packets10:57
tobixengrumble10:57
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MetalJoeor smoke signals :-)10:58
nick_fnslept in :-/10:58
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penmarknick_fn: hahaha!11:01
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DuncFmorning all11:01
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mikaelmoutakisgood morning11:01
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MetalJoemorning11:02
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mgedmin_yay link quality improved11:07
tobixenyes11:08
tobixenfor me too11:08
tobixen(probably others are having so much problems they can't complain on IRC)11:08
NailorWell, those don't count, right? ;)11:08
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mikaelmoutakisIRC still working. Web browsing not working that well. Yay for old protocols11:19
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chriswarg... does anyone know if package_data works as a parameter to setuptools' setup function?!11:23
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CaptSoloyet another IT related conference with non-existant wifi connectivity?11:50
NailorSeems to work for me..11:51
CaptSolowas reading reports of network problems here earlier on11:52
CaptSoloan not it was just silence here ...11:53
CaptSologood to know it works11:53
NailorWell the wifi is bit flaky11:53
Nailoror was, yesterday11:53
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Nailorseems to work today11:53
* CaptSolo hoping to read some reports from EuroPython here 11:53
CaptSoloNailor: good11:53
CaptSoloah, the keynote was one, perhaps that is why it was so quiet here12:00
CaptSolos/one/on/12:00
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tobixeninternet works very well sometimes, other times not at all ... the biggest issue is that we're extremely many people with laptops and other wifi devices ...12:22
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SafPlusPlusI was almost tempted to try to upload yesterdays pictures from the ABH... But that would probably have taken more than the length of the talk... :)12:23
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CaptSolotobixen: many people w. many wifi devices is not something unexpected, is it? probably 2 wifi devices per participant on average12:27
SafPlusPlushehe, indeed...12:28
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tobixenwe're more people on this europython than ever before, and it really seems to be limits for how many devices that can be online within a small are12:31
tobixena12:31
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CaptSolotobixen: i have seen almost no IT conferences where wifi did not suck. with just a small number of exceptions. europython has probably bigger challeges as its budget might be limited. but commercial events suffer from same thing.12:32
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CaptSolotobixen: see http://www.flickr.com/photos/captsolo/3011961218/ :)12:33
tobixenactually, it was working out relatively well on previous europythons12:34
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CaptSolowell, you are on IRC now, so it is working somewhat12:34
CaptSolotobixen: what talk are you in?12:35
SafPlusPlusHmmm... I seem to have hit my upload limit on Flickr? I'm such a newbie... :)12:35
tobixenclimate data12:35
SafPlusPlusTime to get some tea.12:35
CaptSolotobixen: interesting.12:35
CaptSoloand a couple of semantic web talks coming up in the same room after the break12:36
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CaptSoloseems like live-reporting from conferences has all move from IRC into Twitter12:39
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tobixenthat sucks a bit ...12:39
CaptSoloirc allows to write a bit more than twitter and have more of a conversation12:40
CaptSolobut it depends on which of these mediums has a critical mass of participants12:41
CaptSologuess will just have to follow twitter search12:41
CaptSolotobixen: and, indeed, that sux somewhat12:41
SafPlusPlusAgreed...12:42
CaptSolowell, if you are in one of sessions, welcome to report best bits here :)12:44
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fiona`i wonder how long the connection will hold up...12:47
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dreimarkwhen do we have the openspace meeting about the conference for 2011-201213:04
dreimarktoday or tom?13:04
NailorToday at 2, iirc13:04
NailorBetter however verify it from somewhere13:04
MezTomorrow...13:06
chriswanyone here know if distutils-sig mailing list is broken?13:08
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Mezchrisw: no idea...13:09
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MezI think we killed ianto last night13:13
fiona`how come13:15
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Mezhe's dissappeared13:16
fiona`dun dun dunnn13:18
Mezr, he hasn't turned up yet today.13:19
Mezstill dissapointed in you fiona`13:19
fiona`:(13:19
fiona`you have no idea how tired i waaas~13:19
MezMaybe not... but still.. we were meant to cause mischief13:20
fiona`oh well13:20
fiona`have to see how i feel after the dinner tonight13:21
Mezwell, I might not be up for it tonight. I do need to get some sleep.13:21
fiona`psssh13:21
fiona`i'm leaving tomorrow13:21
fiona`foreveeeeerrr13:21
Mezyou're only in manchester :D13:22
fiona`true13:22
MezI'm sure I'll be visiting Jilly's at some point13:23
Mezright, I should actually be paying attention to this talk :D13:23
* Mez -> af13:23
Mezk13:23
fiona`:)13:24
tobixenanyone else have problems with gmail?13:24
tobixenseems like my network connection works fine now ... except for gmail13:24
NailorMy gmail works ok13:24
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TvI keep forgetting that Jonathan Lange = jml13:59
Tvheh13:59
MetalJoe:-)14:01
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holizzAnybody in turtle.py?14:19
chriswam I here?14:19
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xorAxAxvm panel!14:20
Tvchrisw: no, you're over there14:20
Tvunittest talk: she has a darn good point14:21
chriswhmm, #python tells me I disconected from the server14:21
Tvi haven't inherited a unit test class in ages, unless i actually use self.foo14:21
* Tv hugs nose14:21
MetalJoeso you're online through magic?14:21
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MetalJoeobviously chrisw was online through magic14:23
Tvlocked in a cage underwater in a strait jacket14:23
* MetalJoe must remember to look into nose more14:24
MetalJoeheh14:24
MetalJoemore=again, obviously14:24
Tvnose is awesome because writing the tests feels more pythonic14:25
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Tvdef test_foo():14:25
Tv    eq(1, 1)14:25
MetalJoewhoah, steady ;-)14:25
Tvi just want to be *sure*14:25
MetalJoeall my Java TDD books will become obsolete14:26
Tvthey already were14:26
MetalJoe:-)14:26
Tvmost things published are obsolete before they become dead trees, you know14:26
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Tvjava ones were probably obsolete a bit before they were written ;)14:26
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TvLUUUNCH14:27
MetalJoeYAY14:27
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MetalJoeI'm hungry14:27
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nick_fn_tabletlunch staggered again today?14:27
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holizzI hope there isn't too long a queue.14:34
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Tvnot sure if i'd call that lunch a yay14:55
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jmlTv, :)15:19
Tvjml: btw nice talk, though i'm in the "just use nose" category15:20
jmlTv, can I run tests that return deferreds using nose?15:21
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Tvjml: no but twisted is a pain anyway ;)15:21
Tvjml: there's nothing inherently nosey about that problem15:21
jmlTv, that's kind of my point, I guess15:21
Tvwhat i like about nose is that writing tests feels way more pythonic, none of that "inherit a class even if you don't say self.foo ever" stuff15:22
jmlTv, I can run tests that return Deferreds in zope.testing...15:22
jmlbecause the interesting bits of trial are in the TsetCase subclass15:22
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CaptSolojml: re. testing and deferreds you can use Trial which is a part of Twisted15:23
CaptSolohttp://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/testing.html15:23
CaptSoloright, you mentioned trial already15:23
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jmlCaptSolo, yeah, but the good thing about the way trial is written is that you don't have to use the trial runner in order to get that deferred testing ability -- they're independent.15:24
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CaptSolojml: meaning you could use any other testing framework to test deferreds?15:27
jmlCaptSolo, as long as the other testing framework isn't gratuitously broken15:27
jmlyou still need to inherit from t.trial.unittest.TestCase15:27
CaptSolojml: though i tried trial and quite liked it15:28
CaptSolonot enough experience w other frameworks to compare them15:28
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CaptSologuess any using any unit testing framework (and doing unit testing at all) is better than using nothing at all15:28
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jml+1 t othat15:31
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tlotzehi15:33
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LarstiQjml: are you around somewhere?15:35
tlotzeI wonder who at the conference might be interested in telling me something about packaging Python projhects for Ubuntu, some time during the coffee break or so.15:35
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NailorTv: ohhai, are you at the venue?15:37
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TvNailor: yeah at the auditorium15:38
TvNailor: middle left side15:38
NailorOk, I'll be heading that way soon15:38
Tvmakin' slides and fixin' unit tests15:39
Nailor:)15:39
LarstiQTv: you have unit tests for your slides? ;)15:39
TvLarstiQ: actually, that too ;)15:39
Tvmy slides include unit tests, and i've tested they work15:40
LarstiQah, right15:41
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matti;]16:02
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iantoHello all16:39
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tobixenwikipedia says something different from what the speaker claims regarding the ownership of Bletchley park16:51
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vriallandhi16:54
vriallandis there any live stream from the conferences ?16:55
tobixenprobably not16:56
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dreimarkwhat's the meaning of "price draw" do we have to fill out something17:23
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dreimarkvrialland: there will be access to some session movies later17:26
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vriallandok thanks dreimark17:37
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* SafPlusPlus waves to Reimar18:02
* SafPlusPlus stays connected.18:03
* dreimark waves back18:06
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Tvyou have a mic, don't shout :(18:30
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MetalJoehe's just excited18:31
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ambvOMG18:36
ambvthe wi-fi works18:36
ambv /me YAY18:36
* ambv YAY18:36
SafPlusPlusIndeed... :)18:36
ambv:)18:36
dreimarksure18:37
* SafPlusPlus highfives ambv 18:37
ambvSafPlusPlus: LOL18:37
SafPlusPlusI feel almost guilty (again) taking up valuable air space by using irc... :)18:38
ambvyeah18:38
ambvthe loads of traffic you're using up18:38
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ambvdobee, no!18:38
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ambvbzzt.18:38
ambv;)18:38
SafPlusPlusThen again, I see somone logged into mybrute... (big waste of data...18:39
ambvthe most annoying ones must be the bittorrent users18:39
SafPlusPlusHehe...18:39
ambvwho collect movies for the evenings without wi-fi at Etap18:39
ambv"let's download the Internet for offline use"18:39
SafPlusPlusLots of harddrives...18:40
Tvambv: hehe i grabbed 55GB of data before leaving home ;)18:40
SafPlusPlus:P18:40
ambvHMM18:41
SafPlusPlusIn wonder how interesting this talk is...18:41
ambvI have to figure out how to raise my income by 50 million euro18:41
SafPlusPlushehe18:41
ambvgoal at 618:42
* ambv laughs pitifully18:42
SafPlusPlusIndeed18:42
ambv32bit JVM?18:43
SafPlusPlusBut it depends though... If you're not in control of the db layout, you might be screwed...18:43
ambvoh, memcached18:44
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ambv"funky Java code" FTW :)18:47
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ambvwhoa. websplit18:47
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SafPlusPlusHow interesting...18:48
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SafPlusPluslol18:51
ambvhehehehehe18:51
* ambv wants one18:51
ambv!!!18:51
ambvthe button to turn off the Internet18:51
Tvambv: i have a leatherman for that18:52
SafPlusPlusNazbatec? bunnies18:52
CanariXNazbatag I think18:52
SafPlusPlusWould make more sense...18:53
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* SafPlusPlus feels like browing thinkgeek/dealextreme now...18:54
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SafPlusPlusStory time!18:58
SafPlusPlusOnce apon a time....18:58
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SafPlusPlusShould be interesting...19:01
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SafPlusPlusraw_id=True is bad too19:02
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SafPlusPlusGo Fiona!19:06
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SafPlusPlusSeems pretty decent, but I have my doubts about matplotlib and concurent sessions...19:08
SafPlusPluscairo is nice, but I thought the python bindings weren't really up to date...19:13
SafPlusPlusI feel lik I probably should be talking on twitter, since I see so many people do that.19:14
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SafPlusPluslol19:17
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zarqno-one succeeds in getting their connection stable19:20
ambvbecause they're using Linux like Fiona19:20
SafPlusPlusProbably the reason everyone's using twitter...19:20
SafPlusPlus:P19:21
SafPlusPlusInstead of osx?19:21
ronnylol19:25
zarqyeah i'm on osx, it works only for a while and then fails19:25
NailorFails badly, if you don't carry the fancy adapter with you. :)19:25
SafPlusPlusMeh, my lap is getting too hot, gonna put down the macbook19:25
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* Tv is waiting for the roof to fall19:43
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* ambv is feeling so abashed19:48
ambvthe Guido session was a genuine pain even at the first day19:48
ambvbut this... this was it, this was THE single most unprofessional thing I've seen in any public gatherings I've attended to my entire life19:49
ambvoops :(19:49
ambvI hope the dinner will cover the taste19:50
chriswah, quit whining unless you wanna do better...19:50
ambvchrisw: your logic is flawed19:51
chriswadmittedly, the choice of skype was a poor one... I would have just tried a 3G video call, although that might well have been expensive...19:51
Tvhey i'll be more extreme and say every keynotey thing by Guido i've experienced so far has been painful19:52
Tvso there ;)19:52
chrisw:-)19:53
Tvi think this is a good keynote but i'm too jetlag-tired-confused to understand much of it19:56
Tvattention span of a ooh shiny19:56
chriswvery polite :-)19:58
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* Mez wonder if the conservatoire has beds anywhere20:55
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mattiHm.21:10
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matti;]22:18
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Mezi was half expectung more sporks23:30
matti?23:30
Mezat the meal!23:30
mattiIs it any good?23:31
Mezmatti, you haven't said hi yet. where you @?23:31
Mezyou didnt come?23:31
mattiMez: I am not very good at social events ;]23:31
Mezaw.23:31
Mezgood ood though.23:32
Mezfood*23:32
mattiMez: Plus, I had a nap... which was a bit too long :<23:32
Mezish...23:32
Mezlol23:32
Mezyou still haven't said hi though!23:32
Mezand you're missing a talk23:32
mattiHi Mez23:32
mattiMissing a talk?23:33
Mezi meant in person23:33
mattiNo.23:33
mattiWe have spoken few times ;]23:33
mattiAlready.23:33
matti;]23:33
Mezhave we?23:33
mattiRemember Zeth's talk? You were sitting on my left hand side with the microphone.23:34
matti;]23:34
Mezyou didnt twll me!23:34
Mezi cant remember wjat you looked like though!23:35
matti;]23:35
Mezintroduce yourself next time.23:35
Mezyou're sharing with ianto arent you?23:36
mattiYes, he is sharing with me.23:36
Mezsame thing. i've tried to keep him away from the coke today23:36
mattiGood.23:37
mattiThanks ;]23:37
brobostigonsugar, :(23:37
Mezcant say i managed :-''23:37
mattiI was hoping for GPG keysingning.23:37
mattiBut almost nobody showed up.23:37
mattiFreakin' Oracle guy was giving away his t-shirts in the same time.23:38
Mezmatti,there were about 1623:38
mattiMez: I waited 5 minutes and then walked away.23:38
Mezah well, find me tomorrow and i'll exchange keys23:38
Mezi was there at 3.3m as timetabled23:39
Mez3:30*23:39
mattiWhen I was there there was only ianto23:39
mattiWith his driving license and piece of paper.23:39
matti;]23:39
Mezianto didnt get the piece of paper until i and cmooney had sent him!23:40
matti?23:40
mattiI mean, something with his fingerprint.23:40
matti;]23:40
Mezif iy was a printout then that was after23:41
Mezas i said, find me tomorrow, we can exchange keys23:41
Mezi'm the most caluable anyway, being a debian developer23:41
matti;]23:42
mattiROTLF23:44
mattihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K823:44
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