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freemangordonmerlin1991 ping10:42
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Lava_Croftoh boy, diginotar10:52
Lava_CroftDutch pride10:52
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freemangordonmerlin1991 ping16:01
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amiconnmr_jrt: The most annoying bug is that if I send an MMS to someone else, the recipient can read the subject and see an image, but cannot read body text. This is independent of the receiving phone - something involving encoding.16:07
amiconnThere is a bugreport for this on maemo.org16:07
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merlin1991freemangordon: pong17:12
merlin1991seems like bad timing :D17:19
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freemangordonmerlin1991 - did you find QT merge requests with fixex17:31
freemangordonfixes*17:31
merlin1991only the diginotar fix17:34
merlin1991I just went to check something on the n900 and picked the n9 instead, took me a min swapping through homescreens to realize that I've got the wrong phone in my hand xD17:35
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freemangordonmerlin1991 here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/318:01
freemangordonit is in the same MR18:01
freemangordonsorry, here https://gitorious.org/~freemangordon/community-ssu/freemangordons-qt-x11-maemo-cssu-16-5/commit/e0bb7881798b99fb6870a4f3371e7d6948de29e318:03
freemangordonfixes segfault in vlc-remote18:03
MohammadAGfreemangordon, terribly sorry, can't push an update till thursday18:04
MohammadAGbeen looking everywhere for a fake (or original really) charger18:05
freemangordonok, few more days should not matter :)18:05
freemangordonMohammadAG: did we agree on the time for weekly meetings?18:06
freemangordonand BTW I think it is time to add me and arcean to CSSU team as members18:07
MohammadAGfreemangordon, Fridays, no time though yet18:07
MohammadAGfreemangordon, it's not something you earn, it's something you request :P18:08
freemangordonyeah, that is what I am doing :p18:08
freemangordonhonestly, I don't think it is written somewhere18:09
MohammadAGI didn't add you because you weren't around back then and I never updated the list since :P18:09
freemangordonanyway, count that as a request18:09
freemangordonI did'n think it is really needed. But changed my mind since I have to wait several times for a weeks for something as simple as 1 line commit or upload of a new project on gitorious.18:11
freemangordonMohammadAG: you mentioned yesterday that we need a schedule. TBH i think there MUST be schedule, otherwise things will continue to happen like in the last few months.18:13
MohammadAGfreemangordon, freemangordon right?18:13
MohammadAGfreemangordon, Fridays, but we haven't agreed on a time yet18:13
freemangordonit is 18:10 here18:13
freemangordonnow18:13
freemangordongmt+218:13
MohammadAGsame time here18:13
freemangordongreat18:13
freemangordon19:00?18:14
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you good?18:14
freemangordon19:30?18:14
MohammadAGI don't mind, Fridays are free for me18:14
freemangordonor 15:0018:14
freemangordonhave in mind that most probably we will need about an hour an a half18:15
freemangordonyeah, maybe 19:00 is the best option, I do not want to miss Friday nights :D18:15
freemangordonanyone else?18:16
merlin199119:00 as in utc + 2?18:17
freemangordonyep18:17
freemangordonhmm18:17
merlin1991sounds good18:17
freemangordonas in 17:00 utc18:17
merlin1991would be 18 in cet18:17
merlin1991doc and me are cet18:17
merlin1991and I don't know anyone else actively discussing in this channel anyway18:18
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freemangordonlet me ask worldtimeserver :)18:18
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: 18:00 on fridays as meeting time?18:18
freemangordonthere will be, once trere is an activity18:18
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merlin1991we should dicuss the stable branch this friday18:20
merlin1991*discuss*18:20
merlin1991as in get to a decision :)18:20
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freemangordonyeah18:21
freemangordoni saw you don't want modest in stable18:21
freemangordonwhy is that18:21
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: UGT?18:22
freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^18:22
merlin1991I said I don't want modest in stable untill the stability fixes have been tested in testing18:22
merlin1991DocScrutinizer:  cet18:22
DocScrutinizerok18:22
freemangordonbut there are in the wild for a month or so18:22
merlin1991well tbh, modest stable or not, is not that important to me, what I do want to keep out of stable though is camera-ui18:23
merlin1991it has a few flaws that have to go away18:23
DocScrutinizerbasically camera-ui never had to sneak in to CSSU18:24
freemangordonI am not sure how many people are using .deb from TMO18:24
merlin1991freemangordon: that thing is if we create a stable branch we should move "stable" versions from testing -> stable18:25
merlin1991sure your patches are in the wild since a long time, but they've never seen testing in cssu so far18:25
freemangordonbut they are at least 518:25
merlin1991as in through the official channel18:25
freemangordonso what18:25
merlin1991my suggestion would be to push them with the next testing18:25
freemangordonsource code is exactly the same as in CSSU18:25
merlin1991start stable without modest, and after 3 weeks or so of having them in testing confirmed to work we move that to stable18:26
freemangordonyou mean release new testing with bugs fixed, along with stable without modest18:27
merlin1991do you mean the stability patches are already in the current cssu modest?18:27
merlin1991nvm my last line18:27
merlin1991yeah I mean that18:27
freemangordonand after it is confirmed to push modest to stable too18:27
merlin1991yes18:27
freemangordonok, agree18:27
freemangordonhmm, someone should write the schedule18:28
freemangordonand update it on a regular basis18:29
merlin1991agreed18:30
DocScrutinizerI'm tending to support the more conservative approach any time, regarding stable18:30
freemangordonthe question is who?18:30
merlin1991I could18:30
merlin1991but I guess we should decdide that on friday18:30
merlin1991also gotta run now18:30
freemangordonok, bb18:31
DocScrutinizeralso please keep in mind that stable branch is not stable release automatically18:31
DocScrutinizerI agree we should keep source and release pkg in sync mostly18:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer: for how long do you think something should reside in testing without reported bugs to be assumed ready for stable?18:32
DocScrutinizerbut adding a few tested patches to initial s-branch won't mean we'll showe that down our customers' throats untested18:33
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: that depends on how many users are probably using it on a regular basis18:33
DocScrutinizerin testing18:34
freemangordonyeah, but there should be some finite time, based on clear criteria. And we never know how many are using the new feature/bug18:34
DocScrutinizergenerally I calculate with sth like 12 man weeks of usage, measn 12 users use it 1 week heavily or 4 users 3 weeks...18:34
freemangordonbut how we are going to find how many people are using it18:35
MohammadAGas in 17:00 UTC18:35
DocScrutinizerbut this 12 can easily become 20 or 30 or even 100, depending on subjective estimation of hidden risks and system relevance of the component18:35
MohammadAGoh, N900 was scrolled up18:35
MohammadAGnvm18:35
freemangordonMohammadAG: I think 17:00 UTC is agreed time18:36
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: obviously by polling and unsolicited feedback18:36
freemangordonha, someone should read CSSU thread on tmo and count?18:36
freemangordonthat won't work18:37
DocScrutinizersth like that, yeah18:37
DocScrutinizerotherwise we need to assign testers and wait for them doing their job18:37
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freemangordonhmm, what about trying to move everyone to stable?18:38
DocScrutinizerof course if a feature/patch is in testing since months, and nobody ever reported about it, this can mean 2 things: either it works flawlessly or nobody ever using it. There is a certain timeout for quarantine where you don't care anymory about how much sth got tested18:39
freemangordonand warning those who remain in testing that they MUST test and report?18:39
DocScrutinizerthe later is a quite reasonable thing to do18:40
MohammadAGfreemangordon, everything can stay as is18:40
DocScrutinizerI'm reluctant to bewilder voluntary tetsters though18:40
MohammadAGStable can be something for those who've held out on CSSU because it's testing18:40
MohammadAGTesting can stay as is18:40
MohammadAGI'm not sure how one can go from Testing to stable and back if he wants18:41
freemangordonMohammadAG: no, it can't continue without any rules.18:41
DocScrutinizerif users on T are happy with staying on T and reporting, why should I force then to S?18:41
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MohammadAGexactly18:41
MohammadAGfreemangordon, rules? for users?18:41
freemangordonno, for developers18:41
MohammadAGUsers are those, not paid testers with rules18:41
freemangordonnot for users18:42
DocScrutinizerfor *us*18:42
DocScrutinizer:-D18:42
MohammadAGYeah, we already started working on that18:42
DocScrutinizerlike "Joerg says..." :-P18:43
MohammadAGok, we need a team of reviewers18:43
DocScrutinizerask for them to apply, on tmo18:43
MohammadAGskilled at reading code, finding memory leaks etc18:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I doubt tmo has a lot of them18:44
DocScrutinizerooops reviewers, sorry18:44
freemangordonI don't mean to force anyone to stable. But right now there is no alternative to testing. Once stable is out and you don't feel yourself to be on a cutting edge then move to stable. otherwise by remaining on testing you should feel obliged to test and report.18:44
DocScrutinizerfor some reason I read "testers"18:44
MohammadAGCode reviewers, not end user software :p18:44
DocScrutinizerNB even T definitely is _not_ cutting edge. We got no such thing like a cutting edge repo for CSSU18:45
MohammadAGaka devel18:46
MohammadAGwhere bricks and nightlies exist18:46
DocScrutinizerso all cutting edge patches have to be done locally on the devel's own infra, then deployed via e.g tmo .deb whatever, before they are considered semi stable to go into T18:46
MohammadAGProblem with debian is18:46
MohammadAGwhen you upgrade, you can't go back18:47
MohammadAGcommunity-devel is what you're thinking18:47
MohammadAGthat might be a good thing to have18:47
DocScrutinizerdang, I bitched about the missing cssu-devel half a year ago :-P18:47
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freemangordonyeah, could that be achieved?18:48
DocScrutinizeranyway testing != devel18:48
freemangordonagree, but lets have devel then18:49
DocScrutinizerI suggest to have a experimental rather than a devel18:49
freemangordonwith some sort of nightly or weekly builds18:49
freemangordonname should not matter18:49
DocScrutinizernames always mater :-)18:50
DocScrutinizerthey give lurkers an idea what'S it all about18:50
freemangordonif there is such repo then stuff like clock replacement and OMP will find their correct place.18:50
freemangordonwhat it takes to organise a repo?18:51
freemangordonfast inet and disk space?18:51
DocScrutinizertesting := patches considered working go here to get evaluated for hidden bugs by broader audience. // stable := no patches other than for fixing buld issues are expected to be needed here ever, as there should not be any bugs that haven't shown up and got killed in testing18:52
MohammadAGfreemangordon, it should all stay on maemo.org18:52
MohammadAGX-Fade, possibility for community-devel anytime soon?18:53
freemangordonwhy is that?18:53
MohammadAGwhy not?18:53
freemangordonof course the best option is maemo.org. if it is an option at all.18:54
DocScrutinizersync between repos is faster on one server/infra18:54
freemangordonMy idea is a repo which holds only binaries18:54
freemangordonso other developers can test what is latest verasion on gitorious without need to fire scratchbox.18:55
DocScrutinizerdon't forget that for all I understand of git you never really copy data from one repo to a forked one, you just "symlimk" unless you applied patches on top18:55
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DocScrutinizererr, ouch, yeah. repo==binaies, gitorious==source18:58
DocScrutinizersorry dudes I'm sub par right now18:58
DocScrutinizerfor sure we don't need a maemo hosted *repo* for experimental (aka X)18:58
DocScrutinizerwe need a git branch18:59
freemangordonyeah, that is what I am saying18:59
freemangordonre binaries18:59
DocScrutinizernobody is really interested in a repo with expermental stuff, as you would install the *system* from a heap of broken shit19:00
DocScrutinizerrather you install one .deb, e.g. for modest, so no X patches to H-D will interfere with your work on modest19:00
freemangordonno need to install the whole system.19:00
DocScrutinizernot really, but then also no need for a repo really19:01
freemangordonhm, that should be file server that said19:01
freemangordonyeah19:01
DocScrutinizermight be handy, but not exactly mandatory19:01
freemangordonMohammadAG: I think you should make a thread/post on TMO re CSSU meeting on Friday now, and I will take care to bump it regularly so everyone who is interested to take part. I still insist that CSSU lacks PR :)19:04
DocScrutinizerunrelated: what'S with commit permissions now?19:05
DocScrutinizerwill this move?19:05
freemangordonthe same for now, I assume MohammadAG will ad mme as soon as he find a power supply :)19:06
DocScrutinizeraah, the power supply case19:06
DocScrutinizer:-P19:06
DocScrutinizersee why we need redundancy in all administrative positions?19:07
freemangordonwe have, so what. jaffa is an administrator too19:07
DocScrutinizerJaffa: could you add commit rights for freemangordon ?19:08
freemangordonbtw jaffa pinged you earlier today19:08
DocScrutinizero.O19:09
freemangordon<Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Reanimate how?19:09
DocScrutinizeryeah, like 24h ago19:09
DocScrutinizerthanks :-)19:09
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mr_jrtIncidentially, I mentioned quite some time ago that the rtcom-eventlogger code in the CSSU repo is old, and that I made my own repo with the latest code drop (I also did incremental commits from each code drop, providing some history). Anyway, would an updated version of the libs that add the triggers that fix call durations be worth including in the CSSU?19:17
freemangordonMohammadAG: ^^^19:18
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MohammadAGfreemangordon, I still have my N900, sec19:34
MohammadAGfreemangordon, added, you can wreak havoc on the repo now19:35
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freemangordon:D thanks19:46
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JaffaWell, about 45 minutes ago :-)19:52
Jaffa^freemangordon: DocScrutinizer:19:52
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freemangordonyep, saw it19:54
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arcean_bug #542423:11
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/5424 Unable to scroll horizontally in File manager's details dialog when the file name is too "long"23:11
arcean_bug #1232023:11
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default23:11
arcean_hrmm23:11
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