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| zamn900 | Herbstbert, I found it | 00:01 |
| zamn900 | is the up and left button | 00:01 |
| zamn900 | press it long time | 00:02 |
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| zamn900 | hey I missed to ask how to connect android to n900 and contrary? | 00:08 |
| zamn900 | ssh like | 00:08 |
| Agge | zamn900, opensshd? and the n900 and a ssh termnal program on the android? | 00:10 |
| zamn900 | mmm... | 00:10 |
| Herbstbert | OK, I'll try... :) | 00:11 |
| Agge | https://wiki.maemo.org/SSH | 00:11 |
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| zamn900 | uh exists openssh for android ... never seen | 00:13 |
| Agge | I don't think that openssh exist for android. I usialy use coneectbot for comand stuff | 00:15 |
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| zamn900 | yep I mean similar exists | 00:16 |
| Agge | sixwheeledbeast, I have added CSSU, CSSU testing, CSSU thumb, extras and extras testing any more repositories you would recommend? | 00:17 |
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| merlin1991 | Agge: | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | either cssu or cssu testing | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | and only one of extras, extras-testing, extras-devel | 00:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would recommend disabling extras-testing and you will find an instant increase in HAM's speed. | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | in the above to lines the right repo is always a superset of the left one | 00:19 |
| merlin1991 | so no need to make more work for apt / ham when you gain not a single extra package | 00:20 |
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| Agge | Thanks | 00:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | exactly. | 00:20 |
| merlin1991 | ~devel-light | 00:20 |
| merlin1991 | hm does not exist yet | 00:21 |
| Agge | should I install any of the other cssu packages that exist? | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cssu packages? | 00:22 |
| Agge | like the cssu feature configuration editor | 00:22 |
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| zamn900 | ... | 00:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there not "cssu packages" per say, more extras package that is a GUI for CSSU h-d options. | 00:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't bother, call gconftool via terminal as I don't change them after I set as I like. | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable#gconf_settings | 00:27 |
| Agge | Thanks | 00:27 |
| Agge | anything more I should do to make my N900 as good that it is possible. I have installed the CSSU and CSSU tumbs and the power kernel | 00:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It works well for people who like to play with the settings in a GUI. | 00:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Agge: backupmenu? | 00:31 |
| Agge | that one is installed forgot to mention it | 00:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well do a backup before installing anything from extras. | 00:33 |
| Agge | I did one befor installing CSSU | 00:34 |
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| Agge | yeah I did run your cleanup script also | 00:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | well if you've got a base and done a backup, feel free to wonder into userland | 00:47 |
| Agge | thanks | 00:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | word of caution avoid ~crappatch | 00:47 |
| Agge | it feels allot more unlaggy now | 00:48 |
| Agge | ? | 00:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and only install what you need and if possible avoid widgets | 00:48 |
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| Agge | thanks | 00:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe try swap on uSD also | 00:49 |
| Agge | ? | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you can put your swap space on a uSD card, however has the issue of not being able to remove back cover. | 00:51 |
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| Agge | interesting | 00:51 |
| Agge | thanks | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well without switching swap back to device. | 00:53 |
| Agge | do it realy unmount the sd card when removing the back cover? | 00:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | However the idea of thumb is that you shouldn't be using as much swap | 00:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the uSD is unmounted due to a magnet in the kickstand IIRC | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so if swap is on uSD it's like pulling a ram stick out of a booted desktop. | 00:55 |
| bindi | so DocScrutinizer05 my n900 doorbell project kinda is stalled :P | 00:56 |
| bindi | i still dont know what does "enabling micbias" mean, i still can't get the headphone control thingy to react to the button being pressed | 00:56 |
| bindi | do i really need to run something like openmediaplayer in the background to get it working? | 00:56 |
| Agge | I need to test that whitout the battery falling out :) | 00:56 |
| Agge | bindi, 3 button headphone? | 00:58 |
| bindi | made a button myself as per DocScrutinizer05's instructions | 00:59 |
| Agge | aha | 00:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: you need to break it down, if you haven't already. Is the button working for standard maemo tasks? Or is it the code? | 01:00 |
| bindi | break what down? :o | 01:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the problem | 01:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as in diagnose where the problem is. | 01:01 |
| bindi | well i would have assumed hsetctrl works on it's own, so when it's running, my command isnt executed as specified in hsetctrl.py | 01:01 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer05 talked something about "enable micbias" (like running a program to do that?) | 01:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but that has broken the problem down far enough. can you prove the headset button is detected and works on it's own? | 01:03 |
| bindi | what apps can i use to test the mute button? no sim in it | 01:04 |
| bindi | to place a call | 01:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | OMP can play/pause tracks with it on CSSU-T | 01:04 |
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| Eldon_II | Anybody have an idea why the usb would fail? | 01:06 |
| bindi | fail how? the port came loose? weak soldering | 01:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: doesn't "dmesg" output contain headset button connected/pressed information? | 01:07 |
| Eldon_II | When connecting anything notthing happens. When trying to switch modes with ASUI it says 'module insertion failed' | 01:07 |
| bindi | sixwheeledbeast: nope | 01:07 |
| bindi | well i should confirm with a real headset :p | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: I know "headphone connected" works with a real headset, so you have now broken down the problem further :) | 01:09 |
| Eldon_II | Can't find anything about this error on google or the forums | 01:09 |
| bindi | sixwheeledbeast: it does show connected, but not pressed | 01:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I get "input: headset button" on press here. | 01:10 |
| bindi | hmm | 01:11 |
| bindi | sure you get it on press? | 01:13 |
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| bindi | says "input: headset button as /class..." something for me on connect, nothing when i press it | 01:13 |
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| Eldon_II | I'm using n800 w/os2008 +community update | 01:15 |
| mashina_ | this sdk is not worth fighting with - i'd much rather get auto* running on-device but can't L/ | 01:15 |
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| Agge | do the WPA pre shared key also test for WPA2 keys or do I need to do somthing to enable WPA2 on it? | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | mashina_: fighting? | 01:37 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:37 |
| merlin1991 | for met it works perfectly | 01:37 |
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| Timmo_ | hi ppl | 01:42 |
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| mashina_ | merlin1991: autogen doesn't want to make a install-sh | 02:25 |
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| mashina_ | i can't get sym popup to appear, huhu? | 03:20 |
| mashina_ | control & and alt work | 03:20 |
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| SAiF | hi | 05:29 |
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| SAiF | my media player started playng automatically at 23:00 yesterday. | 05:39 |
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| zamn900 | good morning! there is a problem | 11:47 |
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| zamn900 | my screen does not sleep alone by it self | 11:48 |
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| zamn900 | there is something wrong with qlockscreen? | 11:56 |
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| Herbstbert | I've uninstalled qlockscreen completely | 12:11 |
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| zamn900 | how much memory need nitroid or android image for running in this 900? | 13:06 |
| zamn900 | can it run on SD? | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | memory? dunno but for sure more than the 256MB real memory available, so you'll need swap. Run from SD? sure, I don't know of any other way to run it. | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, ok. you could install it to eMMC | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's honestly not recommended | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since most likely you soonish will want to get rid of nitdroid again | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOOOOOOW | 13:35 |
| zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, goodmorning | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | You bet is is a very good morning for me, hope for you too :-D | 13:38 |
| zamn900 | nice | 13:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits with a fat grin for the last 130EUR to come in | 13:38 | |
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| zamn900 | amyway DocScrutinizer05 my screen in n900 does not sleep | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | I uninstalled also qtlockscreen | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | does not matter | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on charger? | 13:42 |
| zamn900 | nope | 13:42 |
| zamn900 | without | 13:42 |
| zamn900 | is related to KP? | 13:43 |
| zamn900 | and some overclock? | 13:43 |
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| zamn900 | I installed the kp for overclock and script | 13:44 |
| zamn900 | and for user... because I wanted to use my minimouse but does not work | 13:45 |
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| zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, inactivity without charger I mean | 13:50 |
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| zamn900 | oh DocScrutinizer05 wa mplayer in background | 13:54 |
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| zamn900 | hello DocScrutinizer05 | 15:16 |
| zamn900 | urgent | 15:16 |
| zamn900 | my battery is crazy | 15:16 |
| zamn900 | it showa that can't go ahead | 15:16 |
| zamn900 | but it does instead | 15:16 |
| zamn900 | and idk how to see statua battery in terminal | 15:17 |
| zamn900 | maybe it's right low level battery | 15:17 |
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| zamn900 | but as I put the charger it does not charge | 15:17 |
| zamn900 | so it seems | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your system is kinda messed up | 15:20 |
| zamn900 | idk | 15:20 |
| zamn900 | but it runs well and fast | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably installed some battery-related or charging-related stuff that is broken by design and caused havok on the system | 15:21 |
| zamn900 | yes | 15:22 |
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| zamn900 | battery patch | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG!!!! | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterypatch | 15:22 |
| zamn900 | so? | 15:22 |
| infobot | [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 15:22 |
| zamn900 | lol | 15:22 |
| zamn900 | so? | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 15:22 |
| zamn900 | oh no | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's unclear what nasty stuff those crappatches do to system, but it's a lot and not really uninstalls cleanly for all I know | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch | 15:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtolls | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 15:24 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 15:24 |
| KenYoung | I got bitten by that patch too. It overclocked me without me knowing it. I didn't discover that for weeks. | 15:24 |
| zamn900 | anyway it is all fine less that it does not show much time is left for battery level | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#AFTER_FLASHING | 15:24 |
| zamn900 | it seems charged battery | 15:25 |
| zamn900 | I am still chatting | 15:25 |
| zamn900 | KenYoung, exactly all my n900 is super overclocked | 15:25 |
| zamn900 | idk but i dont reflash | 15:26 |
| zamn900 | anyway DocScrutinizer05 what's the best app for remote control? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 15:27 |
| zamn900 | cool DocScrutinizer05 the solution is bnf | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:32 |
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| zamn900 | it shows the right way battery is | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27000 | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq | 15:33 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'bq' by key (20 of 39): airport abq ;; airport bqn ;; bbq ;; bq-calibrate ;; bq27k-calibration ;; bq27k-detail ;; bqs ;; cbq ;; cbq.init ;; gbbq ;; gnu/linux bbq project ;; gnubbq ;; html <bq clear> ;; html <bq nowrap> ;; html <bq> ;; jargon bqs ;; jbq ;; jobqueue ;; jobqueue ;; kbquery. | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 15:33 |
| infobot | i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but bnf is ok, approved by me | 15:33 |
| zamn900 | yep | 15:34 |
| zamn900 | it says it charging and good level | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it will not cure the damage done by those idiotpatches | 15:34 |
| zamn900 | i know | 15:34 |
| zamn900 | I am trying other patches | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't try *any* 2patches" | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically there is nothing to patch in maemo - it's simply perfect :-P | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there's nevertheless something that needs patching, then you find the "patches" for that in CSSU | 15:37 |
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| zamn900 | dude DocScrutinizer05 the guide says to purge | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry you're speaking in riddles | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so don't trust the guide, he's an alien | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually a she | 15:45 |
| zamn900 | lol | 15:45 |
| zamn900 | I reboot to see if fixed | 15:46 |
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| zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, you were fucking right about CSSU | 16:41 |
| zamn900 | now I removed the battery applet at all remains bnf only | 16:42 |
| zamn900 | how to remove remaining config | 16:42 |
| zamn900 | purge maybe? | 16:42 |
| zamn900 | wow bnf says double minutes of battery life after CSSU OS update and reboot | 16:43 |
| zamn900 | awsome fuck | 16:43 |
| SAiF | Anybody watching out for the Nov 5 2013 event by anonymous? http://www.zeemaps.com/view?group=654291&x=-4.000000&y=40.000000&z=15 | 16:45 |
| zamn900 | nope | 16:46 |
| zamn900 | let's see | 16:46 |
| GI_Jack | not in particular | 16:46 |
| GI_Jack | might get drunk | 16:46 |
| zamn900 | what's the anon purpose now in this coming date? | 16:48 |
| SAiF | well, I wonder if that may have an impact on our project. | 16:49 |
| SAiF | just kidding | 16:49 |
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| zamn900 | SAiF, that's I am asking too | 16:50 |
| zamn900 | so what their purpose this time | 16:50 |
| Sysaxed | now it says "Let's produce more than 1 000 devices!", what does that mean? :) | 16:50 |
| zamn900 | idk | 16:50 |
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| SAiF | NO anon will get in our way. dont bother. | 16:52 |
| zamn900 | lol why not | 16:52 |
| Sysaxed | it would be great if it explained that part, like "spread the word" or "donate more". | 16:52 |
| SAiF | Sysaxed that means to keep the fundraiser on and to collect max funds so that the productiion cost can be reduced | 16:53 |
| Sysaxed | SAiF: hmm, okay, then maybe they should set another goal? :) | 16:53 |
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| kolp | Sysaxed: Yes, to have 1000+ preorders ;) | 16:54 |
| Sysaxed | ah, okay. :) | 16:54 |
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| SAiF | I never thought, It would get to 25k that easily. | 16:55 |
| zamn900 | can be more clair? I dont get the goal | 16:55 |
| SAiF | It was kind of slow at the first quarter. | 16:55 |
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| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, on linux you can run multiple instances of a certain kind of video software, is it possible to display different videos to different tvs using one hardware device with linux? | 17:19 |
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| zamn900 | oh yeah DocScrutinizer05 is hackfixed now removing its default applet for widget and bnf | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I still don't get your riddles | 17:23 |
| zamn900 | it says the right level now | 17:23 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: multiple displays.... from one graphicscard... sure why not? | 17:23 |
| zamn900 | riddles I ignore the meaning sorry | 17:24 |
| Lava_Croft | oh no, not this place | 17:24 |
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| zamn900 | lol | 17:24 |
| zamn900 | of course grammoboy | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TSSS what a cameo | 17:24 |
| zamn900 | that's pretty possible | 17:24 |
| grammoboy | I'm thinking about old TVs as dislplays | 17:25 |
| zamn900 | ye | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameo_appearance | 17:25 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: there is no difference | 17:25 |
| zamn900 | right no difference | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | configure multihead | 17:26 |
| grammoboy | ok thx you hackers | 17:27 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: the keywords you are looking for depending on how old your graphics drivers are, are xinerama|multihead|randr - "old" TVs will depend on the outputs available on your card and the amount of signal converters you have | 17:28 |
| grammoboy | probably one output | 17:28 |
| chem|st | good old scart is nothing else than composite video | 17:28 |
| zamn900 | I don't feel like hacker | 17:29 |
| grammoboy | but I was thinking about something like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/SLx-27820R-Aerial-Distribution-Amplifier/dp/B0014DDOF0 | 17:29 |
| grammoboy | distribute signal from videocard to multiple tvs via such a distribution amp | 17:29 |
| grammoboy | but I don't want the same video on all tvs | 17:29 |
| SAiF | same video in all TVS, v? | 17:30 |
| SAiF | ?/? | 17:30 |
| SAiF | then you will need more than one output ports | 17:30 |
| grammoboy | hm so there is a problem | 17:31 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: I have one of those http://www.amazon.co.uk/KanaaN-Composite-Converter-SHIPPING-DELIVERY/dp/B003U0PHC8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383579027&sr=1-1&keywords=vga+converter+to+scart | 17:31 |
| chem|st | or similar | 17:31 |
| grammoboy | I see, thx | 17:32 |
| chem|st | I convert to vga, this one converts from vga | 17:32 |
| grammoboy | but according to SAiF multiple videos are problematic | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how ould they be problematic unless your CPU's maxed out? | 17:33 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: each TV will need one output from your computer | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would* | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:33 |
| grammoboy | a normal computer has one or two outputs right? | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you can use graphics cards with multiple outputs, or multiple GraCa, or even both | 17:34 |
| SAiF | If you have a new pc it would have more than one output without graphic card | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a "normal" comouter has one output, possibly with 2 different connector formfactors | 17:35 |
| SAiF | and as Doc said | 17:35 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: I have like 4 or something | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some high end "normal" computers have 2 outputs that can drive independant signals | 17:35 |
| grammoboy | right, so displaying 4 different videos on 4 different tvs, then you need 4 outputs | 17:35 |
| chem|st | on one card | 17:35 |
| SAiF | I use both graphic and onboard VGA, and I have a DVI and HDMI left on graphiccad | 17:36 |
| SAiF | yes sure.. | 17:36 |
| zamn900 | cssu is awesome | 17:36 |
| SAiF | best option is to get any flux edition cards.. | 17:37 |
| SAiF | *flex | 17:37 |
| SAiF | or new nvidia cards support 4 displays by default | 17:37 |
| grammoboy | or buy 4 Rpi's ... | 17:38 |
| grammoboy | I hoped I needed one for this | 17:38 |
| chem|st | lol | 17:39 |
| grammoboy | what is funny about that | 17:41 |
| zamn900 | idk | 17:42 |
| chem|st | grammoboy: that is like 100P a card with 4 outputs is like 40P | 17:43 |
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| grammoboy | I will think about this further | 17:44 |
| grammoboy | thanks for your expertise | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | P? | 17:45 |
| grammoboy | `pounds | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GBP | 17:46 |
| grammoboy | not pennies | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite unusual currency | 17:47 |
| SAiF | germany not in Euro? | 17:47 |
| SAiF | why? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 17:47 |
| SAiF | its europe? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I as well wondered why he didn't use EUR | 17:48 |
| Wizzup | germany/. | 17:48 |
| Wizzup | ? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | question mark? | 17:48 |
| SAiF | EUR.. right. I m from the other side.. lol | 17:48 |
| zamn900 | does aircrack really work? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, we're using EUR in almost all of Europe | 17:49 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: SAiF somehow tseems to think that GBP is in germany | 17:50 |
| Wizzup | That is why I am confused. | 17:50 |
| SAiF | practically only work for WEP from n900. | 17:50 |
| SAiF | then what is GBP? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: weird, given it's Great Britain Pounds | 17:50 |
| SAiF | well LOL.. | 17:50 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: my point exactly :) | 17:52 |
| SAiF | I somehow thought G = Germany. :) | 17:52 |
| chem|st | SAiF: great britain pound = GBP = pound sterling | 17:57 |
| chem|st | and I replied in GBP as his link was amazon.co.uk | 17:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | GBP = pounds sterling - GBP is ISO abbrv. term | 17:59 |
| SAiF | So Britain is not using EUR right? | 17:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: how you getting on? I am reading backscroll.... | 17:59 |
| SAiF | and atleast can i think that all other european countries use EUR? | 18:00 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | And no Britain doesn't want the EUR as the GBP is much stronger :) | 18:00 |
| SAiF | thanks for the info.. | 18:01 |
| Wizzup | sixwheeledbeast: stronger? lol :) | 18:01 |
| chem|st | SAiF: there is a difference between euro-zone, EU and Europe... | 18:02 |
| Wizzup | oh well | 18:02 |
| chem|st | sixwheeledbeast: no they believe their economy will crash if taking € | 18:02 |
| SAiF | oops, look like I have to study on that topic chem|st | 18:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It is. Plus it is used throughout the British commonwealth which don't all lie in europe. | 18:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~change 1 GBP to EUR | 18:05 |
| infobot | Don't know about "1" as a currency | 18:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | err? | 18:06 |
| Sysaxed | ~change 1£ to € | 18:06 |
| infobot | that doesn't look right | 18:06 |
| chem|st | SAiF: EU is the former "European-Communities" {economic (EEC) + atomic (Euratom) + coal and steel (ECSC)} | 18:06 |
| chem|st | ~change GBP to EUR | 18:06 |
| infobot | that doesn't look right | 18:06 |
| chem|st | ~change 1GBP to EUR | 18:06 |
| infobot | that doesn't look right | 18:06 |
| chem|st | ~stupid | 18:07 |
| infobot | [stupid] http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif | 18:07 |
| SAiF | HAHA.. | 18:07 |
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| chem|st | EU is growing from time to time so is the EuroZone, but they do not match | 18:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It seems infobots change feature is borked? | 18:09 |
| chem|st | some baltic countries + norway & island are still not in the EU | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~convert 1 GBP to USD | 18:10 |
| infobot | 1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD | 18:10 |
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| chem|st | ~convert 1 BTC to EUR | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change is a command to change factoids | 18:11 |
| infobot | 1 BTC cannot be converted to EUR: Unknown unit 'BTC' | 18:11 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: thanks! | 18:11 |
| SAiF | so eurozone < EU (eurozone+ Britain + Denmark) < Europe (EU +baltic countries + norway) | 18:11 |
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| chem|st | kinda | 18:12 |
| SAiF | thats enough for me. | 18:12 |
| SAiF | more than enough | 18:13 |
| SAiF | ~convert 1 EUR to RS | 18:13 |
| infobot | 1 EUR cannot be converted to RS: Unknown unit 'RS' | 18:13 |
| SAiF | ~convert 1 EUR to INR | 18:14 |
| infobot | 1 EUR is approximately 55.9082 INR | 18:14 |
| SAiF | ~liar | 18:14 |
| infobot | liar is probably me | 18:14 |
| SAiF | yes right. | 18:14 |
| SAiF | its 83.39 | 18:14 |
| SAiF | ~convert 1 EUR to USD | 18:18 |
| infobot | 1 EUR is approximately 1.4128 USD | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>>http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88888&goto=newpost | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Here is the message that has just been posted: | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | main phone unless a new, advanced version of the n900 is available (not neo900 cz i cant find it)<<< | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 18:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I can't believe 1GBP is 2USD more like 1.60USD how up to date is convert? | 18:19 |
| sono | well, we is probably looking on amazon. | 18:19 |
| sono | let me ask mine | 18:19 |
| sono | 1.6 | 18:20 |
| SAiF | ~convert 1 GBP to USD | 18:21 |
| infobot | 1 GBP is approximately 2.0157 USD | 18:21 |
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| SAiF | My mediaplayer started automatically last night. Does this ever happened to anyone else? | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: no idea | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: check the source, Luke! | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 18:29 |
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| SAiF | I used the widget to play and pause couple of times, just for fun. Then After two hours idle time, that last song started playing automatically. | 18:30 |
| SAiF | Lucky that I was not in college. | 18:31 |
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| zamn900 | hey DocScrutinizer05 is the charger a bit weird or it is so that it works? I mean I plug the charger and it does not charge anymore and says to me to unplug for consume stuff | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: was it you who got that defect digitizer? | 18:38 |
| SAiF | yes.. | 18:38 |
| SAiF | why? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then please stop reporting nonsense until your difitizer is fixed! | 18:39 |
| zamn900 | I am not kidding or riddling | 18:39 |
| SAiF | well, you think its digitizer error? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how else would mediaplayer start playing the song? | 18:40 |
| sono | i couldnt think of anything plausible.. that would at least be reasonably likely | 18:40 |
| zamn900 | well now works fine bye | 18:40 |
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| sono | also, i finally have to make my donation tonight.. | 18:40 |
| sono | i just saw you already exceede the goal | 18:41 |
| sono | great! | 18:41 |
| SAiF | hmm. may be right Doc, but I never felt it has any problem | 18:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the riddler as left? SAiF it can only really be the digitizer | 18:43 |
| SAiF | Well, No probs. | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was playing with a 5800 yesterday with a broken digitizer very intermittent fault. Works ok for a while and then it goes mad. | 18:47 |
| SAiF | After I replaced with this (not original) one, I never felt an issue. This was the first time. | 18:48 |
| SAiF | I guess it is becoming abd | 18:48 |
| SAiF | *bad | 18:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am thinking it's better to get a "genuine" one for ~11GBP then a non-branded for ~3GBP | 18:51 |
| SAiF | seeing the price , it looks like I have original one.it cost me around ~12 GBP to get it replaced | 18:55 |
| SAiF | but I know its fake | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | did you replace yourself? | 18:55 |
| SAiF | nope | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if not I would expect most of that is labour | 18:56 |
| SAiF | hmm :( | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was on about 5800 for prices above BTW | 18:57 |
| SAiF | I could have done that easily but, I thought like If he mess it up, I can blame him. :) | 18:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | infobot | 18:57 |
| SAiF | next time. I will do my self | 18:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If he mess it up you won't get another N900 easily anyway. I am a do it myself if I can person tho. | 18:59 |
| SAiF | hm | 19:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: it seems the source says ~exchange is for currency but can't work out format, it grabs them live from xe.com. ~convert is for units. | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~convert 1 FLOZ to ML | 19:25 |
| infobot | 1 FLOZ cannot be converted to ML: Unknown unit 'FLOZ' | 19:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~convert 1 floz to ml | 19:25 |
| infobot | 1 floz is approximately 29.5735 ml | 19:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 19:25 |
| cehteh | qalc backend? | 19:26 |
| cehteh | infobot: 1 + 1 | 19:26 |
| infobot | 3 | 19:26 |
| cehteh | infobot: 1 ohm * 2 A | 19:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) well 1 + 1 is 3 | 19:26 |
| cehteh | yeah fail | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | in binary | 19:27 |
| cehteh | > 1 ohm * 2 A to volt | 19:27 |
| cehteh | 1 * ohm * 2 * ampere = 2 V | 19:27 |
| cehteh | <3 qalc | 19:27 |
| cehteh | > 10!^10! | 19:29 |
| cehteh | Calculating (press Enter to abort). | 19:29 |
| cehteh | Processing (press Enter to abort)....... | 19:29 |
| cehteh | still spinning :D | 19:29 |
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| SAiF | gudnite (UGT) | 19:32 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | 1 plus 1 | 19:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~math 1 plus 1 | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~1 plus 1 | 19:33 |
| infobot | 2 | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~23 squared | 19:34 |
| infobot | 529 | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~66 div 2 | 19:34 |
| infobot | 33 | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cehteh: ^^ :) | 19:34 |
| cehteh | .. still spinning :( | 19:35 |
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| Defiant | "Now the Neo900 has a keyboard and i will not buy it because of that." lol? | 19:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | is that from /. ? | 19:40 |
| anYc | maemo forums | 19:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :facepalm: | 19:41 |
| Defiant | the now 113 neo900 post | 19:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~convert 100 tempC to tempF | 19:45 |
| infobot | tempC(100) is approximately 212 tempF | 19:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 19:45 |
| anYc | does anyone know how 3d performance will change with n900 -> neo900? would also be a interesting point on the Specs site | 19:46 |
| Defiant | you guess we will get a 3d driver? | 19:47 |
| Wizzup | with powervr? ;-) | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~convert 0 tempK to tempC | 19:47 |
| infobot | tempK(0) is approximately -273.15 tempC | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1+1 | 19:48 |
| infobot | methinks 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF? | 19:48 |
| Wizzup | lol | 19:48 |
| Defiant | lol | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1+7 | 19:48 |
| infobot | 8 | 19:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | That member signed up today to say he didn't want a Neo9 due to keyboard WTF. | 19:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | doc source says use plus not + | 19:48 |
| anYc | Defiant: I don't know, I only read that there will be no _free_ driver | 19:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | plus minus div and times are in math.pl | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2^8 | 19:49 |
| infobot | 10 | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2**8 | 19:49 |
| infobot | 256 | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~5! | 19:49 |
| infobot | i heard 5! is 120 | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~55! | 19:49 |
| infobot | i heard 55! is 12,696,403,353,658,275,925,965,100,847,566,516,959,580,321,051,449,436,762,275,840,000,000,000,000 | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~log(10) | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ln(10) | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ln 10 | 19:50 |
| jaska | ~1/0 | 19:51 |
| jaska | :( | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~10+Pi | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~10 + Pi | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~10 + pi | 19:51 |
| infobot | 13.14159265 | 19:51 |
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| cehteh | ~10^10 | 19:52 |
| cehteh | ~10**10 | 19:52 |
| infobot | 10000000000 | 19:52 |
| cehteh | ~10!**10! | 19:53 |
| cehteh | :> | 19:53 |
| cehteh | ~timout? | 19:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~10 add pi | 19:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~10 plus pi | 19:57 |
| infobot | 13.14159265 | 19:57 |
| infobot | That's been it now? | 19:59 |
| cehteh | ~pi pi | 20:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack | 20:01 |
| infobot | :), sixwheeledbeast | 20:01 |
| cehteh | ... https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1452486_790049244357864_1042772959_n.jpg take that infobot | 20:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~shoot cehteh | 20:03 |
| * infobot shoots cehteh in the eye with a spitwad! | 20:03 | |
| cehteh | mean bot | 20:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | FOSS GSM stack illegal? | 20:04 |
| cehteh | depends where and what circumstances | 20:05 |
| cehteh | iirc here in germany you can run a FOSS basestation officially if you do some paperwork | 20:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was thinking it would depend on country | 20:06 |
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| Defiant | cehteh: according to some rumours you shouldn't run one. Else you risk to damage every phone in your proximity | 20:07 |
| cehteh | huh? | 20:08 |
| cehteh | the eventphone ppl iirc did that officially and similar on some CCC events | 20:08 |
| cehteh | dunno ask ppl who are more involved with this | 20:08 |
| Defiant | cehteh: I know. And on the route to that they had quite some fun. | 20:09 |
| Defiant | cehteh: Like they turned it one with their own network name. Since it was the strongest network all phones nearby connected to that one. | 20:10 |
| Defiant | Of course they showed the new network name on the display. Problem is...they triggered a bug with the phones where from that point on the phones always were showing this network name | 20:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | So that's a device issue not a network issue. | 20:28 |
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| Defiant | both, they are afraid that you damage their networks with an open source stack. | 20:38 |
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| zamn900 | hello I would have the keyboard shortcuts | 21:38 |
| zamn900 | but it says broken repo | 21:38 |
| lexik | zamn900: what? paste the error message somewhere | 21:40 |
| zamn900 | one moment wait I am giving last try using the HAM | 21:41 |
| zemmy | lexik, it says missing package : modified-hildon-desktop | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get CSSU! | 21:46 |
| zemmy | I got | 21:46 |
| zemmy | it's awesome... but is it useful for what else | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then forget that shit, whatever it is. CSSU *has* 'modified HD' | 21:46 |
| zemmy | ok | 21:47 |
| zemmy | where | 21:47 |
| zemmy | how can I change shortcuts | 21:47 |
| zemmy | have them | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 21:47 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ## OBSOLETE with CSSU, so now commented out #o# ##### | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ## http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: eventphone works with a licence, on approved hw | 21:52 |
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| zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, I don't find shortcuts | 21:57 |
| zamn900 | I must install some for it | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | installing whatever you tried to install will ruin your system, since installing MHD will. I told you to forget that piece of software whatever it is | 22:03 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: yes but the software is a FOSS stack or? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | partially yes | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but on the BTS | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dialer is also FOSS (well actually it would be nice if it was) and still it's not relevant for the cert status of the phone | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the cert for the BTS transmitter is a different one than the cert for your phone radio chipset | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when you change or modify the phone modem's firmware, the cert is moot and thus the TX is illegal to operate | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how osmocom running a local BTS with a temporary licence is related to this topic | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the modem must get calibrated to comply with the specs required by the network. A BTS doesn't need any calibration since it IS the network | 22:10 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, how come the line-in and irDA is "√" on the minimal neo900 but "X" on the optimal? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because I don't even know how to type √ | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iow everything other than "-" and " " means "check" | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if "x" or "√" | 23:16 |
| Agge | ok | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since a few hours ago some user asked similar question, Nikolaus probably changed all "x" to "√" and missed a few | 23:18 |
| Agge | any thought about how complex NFC you could use in the optimal? would it be Proxmark compatible? | 23:18 |
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| Agge | I was looking on an old download so it could be fixed alredy | 23:19 |
| Agge | nope still in the version online :) | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC is pretty fuzzy specified for Neo900 yet | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I have to admit I'm no expert for NFC since I never seen it in real life | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Germany is basically a NFC-free zone | 23:31 |
| Agge | wow. so you don't have any of the stupid public transport rfid card stuff? | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I haven't seen any yet | 23:32 |
| Agge | nice. we have a system in my city (in Sweden) that is realy stupidly imlimented | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to make my N9 show some life with any of the access control (key) systems I found at several offices, but it seems this type of NFC is different to what N9 supports. Which also tells about the real problem with NFC: | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not standardized | 23:34 |
| Agge | yeah. in the end it is 2(or 3) frequency standards then the data stuff is a mess. | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least there's no commonly accepted dominating standard yet, rather a half a dozen or more different incompatible ones | 23:35 |
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| Agge | yeah. I am checking but I think I have seen some open hardware/software devices for it that can handele most different implementins | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's more like NFC<=>wireless network rather than NFC<=>WLAN_802.11 | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to me it's largely unclear WHICH flavor of NFC was usefull to integrate into Neo900 | 23:38 |
| Agge | if <=> is more or less. then yeah. and in the end some of the problem is that NFC is just one smal part of RFID | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <=> is "equivalent (meaning) to" | 23:39 |
| Agge | ok | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, DFID seems even a sharper more narrow definition than NFC | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RFID* | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for RFID there seem to be "only" two or three popular standards | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but it seems in other countries there are some RFID systems that support e.g. N9 as wel as other similar mobile devices with "NFC" | 23:41 |
| Agge | in my understanding NFC is a broad implementation of RFID. but with the usial everyone desiding that they want to do thear own thing and messing stuff up | 23:42 |
| Agge | I had the opertunity to check the NFC on the N9 but on android it exist several apps to read and write RFID/NFC but it is ofthen hit or miss on what app work on what card | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even worse it seem that now some credit cards come with NFC so you don't even need to pull them out of your pocket | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then the next question: what shall your integrated NFC actually do? shall it act like a tag or like a reader? | 23:44 |
| Agge | yeah you can scan them from about 1-2m with simple hardware (50-100with complex) and from the american cridit cards you get all info. | 23:45 |
| Agge | reader/emulator is what I would prefer | 23:45 |
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| Agge | this is with schamatics http://www.openpcd.org/OpenPICC_SnifferOnly_13.56MHz | 23:47 |
| Agge | and this is a intresting talk about the security of RFID and prsentation of that one of the creator (A Dutch security researcher) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO6zFpgtLj8 | 23:48 |
| Agge | they might even be able to help to design a implementation for the neo900 | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: for Neo900 we would use a WLAN module that comes with NFC and we support whatever that is in the end | 23:50 |
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| Agge | ok. would be nice to have that security testing hardware on an mobile device | 23:52 |
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| Agge | I just remembered your EU passport should have RFID but that is encypted with the passport nr and the expiration date but if you have that you can extract all data from it even the picture and fingerprint | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: don't you have the silly pay via nfc system in a few supermarkets over there? | 23:54 |
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| Agge | my dream mobile device would include both 120-150khz, 13.56mhz and 433mhz rfid with full functions | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | then you'd copy all your id cards and leave them at home | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | untill you suddenly have no batter and are fucked :D | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | *battery* | 23:58 |
| Agge | merlin1991, we are just giting that in Sweden. (the banks do commercials about it but i havent seen it irl) | 23:58 |
| Agge | getting* | 23:58 |
| Agge | yeah but you don't need to carry 10+ stupid cards and tags | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | my newest credit cards is "nfc enabled", the slogan is "pay up to 25€ without even using your pin" | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | yeah sure, nice now every drive by haxx0r in the tram can copy my card and do his shopping for free | 23:59 |
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