| Agge | the problem is that most 13.56 is encrypted so you need to brake it befor you can emulate it unless you do an active emulation | 00:00 |
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| Agge | they implemented a system like that in one (Indonesian? general area) city that did have cards that you could load with money but it dident check if the card balance was corect when you used it so you could add more money anytime you wanted for free | 00:02 |
| Agge | if they use the same implimentation as the american rfid card they can shop for unlimited amounts online with that information | 00:05 |
| Agge | the talk about the payment system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSYcTl0B7MY it was Taiwan not Indonesia | 00:06 |
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| Agge | looks like the german ID cards includes RFID and that some german retailers have begun using RFID | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: many thanks for that hint! I actually first time made N9 do some NFC - with my passport :-) | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: never seen any such thing yet | 00:24 |
| Agge | nice. do it have the decryption programs? | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, emty tag | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | empty | 00:24 |
| M4rtinK | I remember people unlocking Angry Birds levels with passports on the N9 | 00:24 |
| Agge | did it say writable or read only? | 00:25 |
| Agge | yeah you can often bind finctions to the tag id :) | 00:25 |
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| kolp | It'd be great if you could integrate a tiny microwave in the Neo900 to fry RFID chips in passports, etc >:( | 00:34 |
| Agge | what would be the max size that could be used for an inductive charging antenna? I have seen devices with antennas that is less then 4*2,5cm | 00:34 |
| Agge | you might be able to use that kolp ^ | 00:35 |
| wmarone | kolp: problem there is that usually leaves scorch marks | 00:35 |
| Hurrian | too bad the N9 doesn't do NFC emulation. | 00:35 |
| kolp | min size you mean, Agge? My palm pre's seems to be about 3,5x3,5 | 00:36 |
| kolp | cm | 00:36 |
| Agge | thanks for the idea I need to test if an induction charge pad can fry rfid chips :) | 00:36 |
| Hurrian | lots of newer hotels use RFID in that band, you can sniff and replay the UID. | 00:36 |
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| Agge | kolp, I was thinking about part 15 in the neo900 feasibility document | 00:37 |
| Agge | the antenna size is probably the same just an other about the same in the end | 00:38 |
| Agge | just an other coiling of the wire* | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it won't. But a piezo spark of a lighter will kill all kinds of chips relatively reliable and without scortching | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or you use hard x-ray | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very effective to erase eeproms/flash | 01:23 |
| kolp | Fine with me as long as you can build it into the neo900 ;) | 01:23 |
| Agge | or a HERF gun :) http://laserpointerforums.com/f42/emp-herf-marx-generator-49237.html | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why would you want such a rough tool in a delicate device like Neo900? | 01:23 |
| kolp | True. I'd be happy with pads to connect the inductive charging coil | 01:24 |
| kolp | Which was part of the original topic, iirc | 01:25 |
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| M4rtinK | I remember an X-Ray app in one of the coding competitions :) | 01:52 |
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| Agge | M4rtinK, you know that you can make hardware changes to some cameras to make them work for infra red? | 01:53 |
| M4rtinK | Agge: yep, just dump the infra filter | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | Agge: well, they kinda already see in infrared | 01:54 |
| M4rtinK | Agge: the can see the light from infra remotes | 01:54 |
| cehteh | but xray is on the other side of the visible spectrum | 01:54 |
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| Agge | yeah but you ofthen need to add a visible light filter (exposed analoge film works) | 01:55 |
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| M4rtinK | Agge: and at least for the N900 camera, glowing charcoal looks like cryptonite :D | 01:55 |
| M4rtinK | Agge: yeah, can be a nice experiment | 01:55 |
| Agge | analogue film pick up xrays but you need a sorce of xrays to do anyting usefull for it | 01:55 |
| Agge | nice have to test that | 01:56 |
| M4rtinK | but IIRC to get a real thermo camera, you need cooling & different ccd ? | 01:56 |
| KenYoung | Yup, you need mid-IR for that, not near-IR. | 01:56 |
| M4rtinK | but still, for night vision with an infra flashlight it could be nice :) | 01:57 |
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| Agge | to get higt resulution ir iirc yeah but low res is probibly simpler then regular camera chiops | 01:57 |
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| vi__ | yo | 10:36 |
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| vi__ | what is the design process of the neon900? | 10:50 |
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| vi__ | I understand it is the GTA04 board, re-shaped to fit an n900 casing. | 10:50 |
| vi__ | Who is doing the re-shaping? | 10:51 |
| vi__ | What format are the schematics in? | 10:51 |
| jon_y | neon900 | 10:56 |
| jon_y | didn't think it changed titles :) | 10:56 |
| Aggese | vi__, http://neo900.org/ | 10:59 |
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| vi__ | I found the feasibility study. | 11:20 |
| vi__ | That is what I wanted to read. | 11:20 |
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| Wizzup | wow, the n900 donation made it | 11:27 |
| * Wizzup is still planning to donate soonish | 11:27 | |
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| l4m3rx | yep, the neo900 project seems to be starting up quite nicely ;] | 11:42 |
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| anYc | interesting, css works on talk.maemo.org but not on www.maemo.org | 11:42 |
| l4m3rx | in microb? | 11:45 |
| l4m3rx | it seems to work normaly for me... just tested it. | 11:46 |
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| ShadowJK | css on www is on port 81 | 11:57 |
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| anYc | couldn't WMO refer to the css of TMO? I'm behind a firewall here | 12:04 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 12:44 |
| DrCode | when I my n900 connect to car bluetooth , my volume get mute | 12:44 |
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| DrCode | any idea? | 12:44 |
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| vi__ | kerio: yo | 12:52 |
| kerio | sup | 12:52 |
| vi__ | whats new with n900? | 12:52 |
| vi__ | I have been away. | 12:53 |
| kerio | idk | 12:53 |
| kerio | mine has a broken wifi | 12:53 |
| vi__ | okily dokily then. | 12:53 |
| kerio | apart for that... idk | 12:53 |
| vi__ | How did you break the wifi? | 12:53 |
| kerio | the neo900 project | 12:53 |
| kerio | i have no idea | 12:53 |
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| vi__ | time to pick up an n900 with a fooked screen on fleabay for $10. | 12:54 |
| kerio | i already have two n900 | 12:54 |
| kerio | one has a broken musb, the other has a broken wifi | 12:54 |
| vi__ | only 2? | 12:54 |
| kerio | "only" | 12:54 |
| vi__ | I have ~4 working. | 12:54 |
| kerio | do you think i'm made of money dude | 12:54 |
| vi__ | XD | 12:54 |
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| vi__ | :-!actually, maybe only 3 since the great CMT failure of 201. | 12:55 |
| vi__ | actually, maybe only 3 since the great CMT failure of 2013. | 12:56 |
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| ShadowJK | migrating to fifth n900, cmt fail | 13:25 |
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| kolp | I just started using the 4th (or 5th??) a few weeks ago because of that :/ | 13:34 |
| kolp | Running out of spares... | 13:34 |
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| ShadowJK | i have no more spares | 13:39 |
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| l4m3rx | huh | 13:51 |
| l4m3rx | i'm still on my first ... | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually on my first two still, though I admit wouldn't notice when t900 (devel device) cmt fails - no SIM | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I start to wonder if cmt failure maybe is an EM problem similar to OC burnout but on the BB5 TX | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW the cmt breaks after a certain amount of call-hours*TXpower^3 got used up, pa | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -, pa | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: are you living in an area with poor GSM signal? are you using GPRS a lot or doing many long phonecalls? | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I goddamn wish Nokia would disclose the results of their internal failure analysis regarding that cmt breakage | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ** RECOVERY Service Alert: www.maemo.org/Disk is OK ** | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen thedead1440 | 15:44 |
| infobot | thedead1440 is currently on #maemo (16d 16h 24m 34s) #n9 (16d 16h 24m 34s) #harmattan (16d 16h 24m 34s) #meego (16d 16h 24m 34s) #maemo-ssu (16d 16h 24m 34s), last said: 'hehe'. | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://xkcd.com/1286/ | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1pvefs/openphoenux_neo900_25k_funded_in_less_than_a_week/ | 16:03 |
| Tekk_ | congrats DocScrutinizer05! | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I know that. I was just saying that you can't say people don't trust Canonical. If they had set their goal at 12 million they would have 480 times more money.<< Answer: with a community ~10000 times larger, driven by a company definitely 10^9 times larger | 16:04 |
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| Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: you have a company for phoenux? :P | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>OpenPhoenux Neo900: 25k€ funded in less than a week! Donations are still open and qualify for a rebate on a finished device.<< Answer: but they asked for 200+ donations of >100EUR and have only reached ~80 so far | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tekk_: GolDeliCo of course is a company | 16:05 |
| Tekk_ | h | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | @all: if anybody can get bothered to answer - much appreciated. I don't have neither want an account on reddit | 16:06 |
| Tekk_ | oh, any hope for a gecko update in the future or too ram heavy? | 16:06 |
| Tekk_ | oh! probably a problem of gtkmozembed right? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 16:06 |
| Tekk_ | doesn't web use some ancient gecko? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what is "web" ? | 16:07 |
| Tekk_ | default browser | 16:07 |
| Tekk_ | as opposed to the gnome browser of the same name | 16:08 |
| Tekk_ | google sites complain about support for my browser being dropped soon and some sites flat out don't work unless I use midori | 16:08 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: reddit requires no authentication on account creation. Just choose a username and password. No emails involved. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 16:10 |
| vi__ | so get in there and educate those gnuobs | 16:12 |
| Tekk_ | oh, any suggestions for good games in the repos? I'm waiting to board a several hour flight | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FUCKYOUREDDIT! I blocked all cookies of that site since they were annoying and a bazillion. Now it doesn't let me log in | 16:14 |
| Tekk_ | how else do you expect them to know you're logged in? http is connectionless | 16:15 |
| vi__ | Tekk_: emulators | 16:16 |
| vi__ | The majority of n900 games suck asses. | 16:17 |
| Tekk_ | vi__ already have them. I was wondering if there was native good stuff | 16:17 |
| vi__ | with the exception of nethack. | 16:17 |
| vi__ | You know nethack...right? | 16:17 |
| Tekk_ | nethack has problematic stairs :P | 16:17 |
| Tekk_ | sil seems okay too | 16:17 |
| vi__ | ? | 16:17 |
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| vi__ | unfortunatley my game gripper weared the tops off some of my keys :( | 16:18 |
| Tekk_ | you need angle braces to go down stairs unless you remap | 16:18 |
| vi__ | aah. | 16:18 |
| Tekk_ | which aren't on the default keyboard | 16:18 |
| vi__ | I have run a 'fuller' keyboard for about 2 yeas. | 16:18 |
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| vi__ | ^years. | 16:18 |
| Tekk_ | ah | 16:18 |
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| vi__ | I have < > on shift+blue+v/b | 16:19 |
| Tekk_ | I've been trying to figure one out but the very limited key space is annoying | 16:19 |
| vi__ | what language are you using? | 16:19 |
| Tekk_ | us english | 16:19 |
| vi__ | ~vi_kbd | 16:19 |
| vi__ | ~search vi | 16:19 |
| Tekk_ | hm, blue+shift may be helpful | 16:20 |
| vi__ | ffs, how do you search irc thingies again? | 16:20 |
| Tekk_ | bot may just be broken | 16:20 |
| vi__ | ~botsnack | 16:21 |
| infobot | :), vi__ | 16:21 |
| vi__ | nope | 16:21 |
| Tekk_ | you have curlies in your map too? being able to do some perl would be nice | 16:21 |
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| kolp | ~listkeys vi | 16:21 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi' by key (12 of 1075): aravind ;; baldvin ;; bizarre 1999 invitation intro ;; devilish ;; emulate otravi ;; giving each other wedgies after gym class. this ;; gservices ;; hitachi vibrator ;; jargon elvish ;; list bakemono with travis's foot up his ass, where ;; mixview ;; productivity. | 16:21 |
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| vi__ | ~listkeys vik | 16:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vik' by key (14 of 25): bondevik ;; vikas ;; weathercode reykjavik ;; weathercode makkovik ;; weathercode nanisivik ;; craft: the viscious vikings ;; weathercode kjevik ;; weathercode narvik ;; vikram ;; weathercode inuvik ;; weathercode ornskoldsvik ;; weathercode aklavik ;; viking ;; weathercode ivvavik park. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | ~listkeys vi_ | 16:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi_' by key returned no results. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | ~listkeys vi__ | 16:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi__' by key returned no results. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | ~listkeys vi___ | 16:22 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vi___' by key returned no results. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | they have all been delted! | 16:22 |
| vi__ | Tekk_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 16:23 |
| Tekk_ | thanks | 16:23 |
| Tekk_ | oh vi__, nspeed is okay as far as native games | 16:23 |
| Tekk_ | very reminiscent of f zero | 16:23 |
| vi__ | The truth is I rarely have time for games anymore. | 16:24 |
| vi__ | or the paience. | 16:24 |
| vi__ | patience, | 16:24 |
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| vi__ | tekk: make sure your keymap is working before you reboot | 16:26 |
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| vi__ | otherwise you may end up with a non-booting device. | 16:26 |
| Tekk_ | now to try to remember how to copy in the browser | 16:27 |
| vi__ | ctrl+c | 16:27 |
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| Tekk_ | well it's more a selection problem than a copy one | 16:28 |
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| Tekk_ | xkb allow /* */ comments? that's probably easier than doing all // | 16:29 |
| vi__ | I have no idea | 16:30 |
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| vi__ | xkb is an un-documented mix of magic and hate for humanity. | 16:31 |
| Tekk_ | at least it fits with the rest of X then | 16:31 |
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| Tekk_ | it'd be nice if setxkbmap gave some sort of help in errors.. | 16:39 |
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| vi__ | You have an error? | 16:42 |
| Tekk_ | mhm | 16:43 |
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| Tekk_ | oh | 16:46 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, just need to figure out again how to select... | 16:46 |
| vi__ | how to select? | 16:47 |
| Tekk_ | select text in the browser | 16:47 |
| vi__ | please tell me you are doing this via ssh on a real computer with a real keyboard... | 16:47 |
| vi__ | to select text in browser swipe from the bottom left of the screen to the top right to make the pointer appear. | 16:48 |
| Tekk_ | nope. don't have access to one of those atm | 16:48 |
| vi__ | press the pointer button. | 16:48 |
| vi__ | select text. | 16:48 |
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| Tekk_ | thanks vi__, works | 17:08 |
| Tekk_ | forgot a curlie then had to board | 17:08 |
| vi__ | it is liberating to have a 'fuller' keyboard. | 17:09 |
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| vi__ | as liberating as an open air dump. | 17:10 |
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| zamn900 | hi all... how to lock with terminal command? | 17:40 |
| zamn900 | lock the screen | 17:40 |
| anYc | I don't know either, but in the wiki, there was a list of usefull commands | 17:42 |
| anYc | useful | 17:42 |
| Sicelo | quickest way to to install 'phone-control' package.. otherwise you can use dbus directly | 17:42 |
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| zamn900 | here we re | 17:47 |
| zamn900 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"locked" | 17:48 |
| Sicelo | if you like it that way, lol | 17:51 |
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| SAiF | anybody got the flash 12 packages. ? | 17:54 |
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| Sicelo | 12? for Maemo? i'm sure that's not more than a wish | 17:58 |
| SAiF | I meant that faking packages. | 17:58 |
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| SAiF | well its really adobe-flashplayer-10.deb binaries. and we fake it to flash 12. The links dont seem to work. Does anybody got it? | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 18:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vis_awesome_kbdmapping' by key returned no results. | 18:48 |
| SAiF | Doc, | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 18:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'vis_awesome_kbdmapping' by value returned no results. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 18:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping' by value returned no results. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauthor vi_ | 18:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~keyremap | 18:49 |
| infobot | from memory, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi_ | 18:49 |
| infobot | factoid author list by 'vi_' returned no results. | 18:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bottom of page :) | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi__ | 18:49 |
| infobot | factoid author list by 'vi__' returned no results. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi___ | 18:49 |
| infobot | factoid author list by 'vi___' returned no results. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listauth vi | 18:50 |
| infobot | factoid author list by 'vi' returned no results. | 18:50 |
| SAiF | lol | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo keyremap | 18:50 |
| infobot | keyremap -- created by MohammadAG51 <~MohammadA@78.46.226.25> at Thu Jul 1 20:22:51 2010 (1222 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by sixwheeledbeast, 57s ago. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not vi_ related | 18:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the bottom of the wiki page is the link to vi's | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but I know there been a factoid | 18:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | k, sorry. IIRC you did that last time and give up | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since it's impossible to search for vi | 18:52 |
| SAiF | Doc took a 3hr break in 1 hr, right Doc? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo awesome-keymap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 18:53 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: my clock works different | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but i'm afk again now | 18:53 |
| SAiF | Good | 18:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~listauth vi* | 18:54 |
| infobot | factoid author list by 'vi*' (18 of 42): /.config usually ;; 1024? what ;; alt+printscreen+ub ;; carrot ;; could u aswear this one: what ;; d21 d21 ;; docscrutinizer05 ;; fact apt ;; frankyfourfinger ;; ftppassive ;; garoeda ;; gh0sty gh0sty ;; googlesyncevolution ;; helldeskgriep ;; keri0 ;; lugwv_050304 ;; np nvidia ;; p3lim. | 18:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | factinfo keri0 | 18:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~factinfo keri0 | 18:54 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 18:54 |
| infobot | keri0 -- created by vi__ <~user@146.90.189.50> at Tue Aug 7 21:22:32 2012 (454 days). | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget /.config usually | 18:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot /.config usually | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget 1024? what | 18:56 |
| infobot | i forgot 1024? what, DocScrutinizer05 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal docscrutinizer05 | 18:57 |
| infobot | "docscrutinizer05" is "<reply>see DocScrutinizer" | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo docscrutinizer05 | 18:57 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer05 -- created by vi__ <5860d978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.96.217.120> at Fri Jul 27 09:02:56 2012 (466 days); last modified at Fri Jul 27 09:03:55 2012 by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 6 times, last by SAiF at Tue Aug 13 10:41:09 2013; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer05. | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 18:57 |
| Gh0sty | wtf? | 18:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 18:57 |
| Gh0sty | why does infobot highlight me? | 18:57 |
| SAiF | me too? | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | factinfo gh0sty gh0sty | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~factinfo gh0sty gh0sty | 18:58 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 18:58 |
| infobot | gh0sty gh0sty -- created by vipe <n=vipe@lugwv/member/vipe> at Fri Nov 4 14:48:59 2005 (2923 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. | 18:58 |
| Gh0sty | and what does that mean? | 18:58 |
| Gh0sty | ooh | 18:58 |
| Gh0sty | this is that old silly generic bot thing | 18:58 |
| Gh0sty | thats a long time ago :P | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you have a factiod in your name | 18:59 |
| Gh0sty | rikerbot or something isnt it ? | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 18:59 |
| Gh0sty | lol 3000 days ago | 18:59 |
| Gh0sty | damn | 18:59 |
| Gh0sty | am i that long on irc! | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | factoid last used 2008 :) | 19:01 |
| Gh0sty | created 2005 | 19:01 |
| Gh0sty | :o | 19:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have noticed that in full screen mode there is no quit button on modRana? | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It that correct or is it hiding? | 22:48 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep, that is correct | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: you can always either unfullscreen or just close it from the task switcher | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: IMHO most apps behave like this in Fullscreen in Fremantle | 23:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok, seems I was looking for it "how do I quit". Thought it would be easy to add a button to menu? | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | well, it already has a quit button on some platforms :) | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | where there is no close button in decoration | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC Android chroot for example | 23:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Possibly because I am used to SMM10 having a quit button. | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | sure, it might not be a bad idea to add it | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | it basically means just setting needsQuitButton to True in the N900 device module | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | and there are even two spots free in the main menu | 23:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, so did you leave it out of N900 for a reason? | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | didn't occur to me it might be needed :) | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, might be party because I'm using the camera button as to activate task switcher | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | also some users are using the power button menu and just kill apps | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok, maybe it's just me but I expected it to be there. taskswitcher is a pain to get to in car holder | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, having it in the main menu should be faster | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | good point | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I use camera button as skip track | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, for car it should be a good improvement | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | btw, there should be "are you sure" screen after clicking the in app quit button | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | come to think of it music controls would be handy in modrana :) | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | so that it won't quite due to misclick | 23:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i don't see "are you sure" on quit here. | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | well, I mean for the main menu button | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I see | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | or at least I added that when adding the quit button | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | would be unfortunate if instead of getting to the track logging menu modRana would quit :) | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | regarding music control | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | there is indeed a lot that could be improved | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | like adding hooks before/after espeak is speaking | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | so people can hook scripts for pausing music | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | and maybe even support pausing the default media player | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | regarding control | 23:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: pause and skip would be handy | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | modRana has a very rudimentary widget system | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | that could be improved a lot | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | including playback control | 23:17 |
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| M4rtinK | it is on my todo list, but unfortunately there is also a lot of other stuff :) | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | I think I last worked on the widgets back in 2010 for example | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | so any help in this matter would be appreciated :) | 23:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have voice guidance off TBH. I understand your TODO list is large. | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the widgets live here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/mod_showOSD.py | 23:20 |
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| M4rtinK | as you can see, it is very very simple & not that efficient :) | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suddenly seem to be having trouble with downloading tiles | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | oh, BTW, I've pushed the latest modRana to Extras-testing: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/modrana/0.43.4/ | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | 2 tester votes remaining before the Extras package can be updated ! :) | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | which layer ? | 23:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | all of them OSM Mapnik | 23:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | just "Loading..." on every tile...mmm | 23:26 |
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| M4rtinK | seems to work fine here | 23:26 |
| M4rtinK | check options->network->network usage | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | if it is set to "unlimited" | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | otherwise it won't automatically download files | 23:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | "mapTiles: tile data returned by remote tileserver was not an image" | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, Unlimited and I am on WiFi | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | this looks like the tileserver does not like you :) | 23:31 |
| sono | modrana is? | 23:31 |
| * sono clicks | 23:31 | |
| M4rtinK | sono: the modRana flexible GPS navigation system :) | 23:32 |
| sono | looks interesting | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: the server is probably returning a html error page instead of a tile | 23:32 |
| sono | woa. apparently i did not have the python deps yet. this ill have to wait until i get home. | 23:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | where are tiles stored? | 23:33 |
| M4rtinK | MyDocs/maps | 23:33 |
| M4rtinK | by default | 23:33 |
| sono | as a cyclist tho it looks interesting | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | hmm | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | wrong | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | MyDocs/.maps | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | sono: looking forward to your feedback :) | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | sono: BTW, modRana support bike-optimized offline navigation :) | 23:35 |
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| sono | =) | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: you can checkout what the server is actually sending you | 23:40 |
| * sixwheeledbeast has NFC why it's not showing tiles | 23:40 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | how? | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: by enabling "Tile loading status to terminal" in options->Debug->Tiles | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | it will start printing stuff like this: | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | loading tile mapnik_13_4540_2797 | 23:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's were I got the message quoted above | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | this corresponds to this URL | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/4540/2797.png | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | (I really have to make it print the URL in the future for easier debugging) | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | you can try in browser or with wget | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | and inspect what are aou getting | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | *you | 23:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ah | 23:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | tiles | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 23:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: what does Map overlay settings do? | 23:49 |
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| M4rtinK | you can have two layer at once | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | *layers | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | if you set a layer that is not working over a working one with 100% opacity... :) | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like a usability issue :) | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok so I had no tiles with OSM mapnik as main and none as background. | 23:52 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, so that is not the issue I guess | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | btw, I think "none" might be a bit problematic sometimes | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the QML GUI can overlay more than two layers | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | but can't remeber them just yet :D | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | *remember | 23:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | it's "map as overlay" setting with off I have tiles with on I have "Loading..." | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | I'll check it out | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | oh, right | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | definitely a bug | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | now when I think about it, it combines the two tiles and caches the result | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | to optimize cache usage | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | well, if one of the layers has no tiles, it can't combine them and waits forever :) | 23:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah that's it. with "map as overlay" on and "none" as secondary map. I can reproduce it. | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | well loads | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | if you use two normal layers, it seems to work fine | 23:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) I now have OSM and VE OS as secondary | 23:59 |
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