IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-09-14

vi__	what does libstartup.so do??	00:01
SpeedEvil	from memory, its a statistics thing	00:02
vi__	what for?	00:04
SpeedEvil	to measure process startup time to first ui idle call	00:04
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vi__	wtf is the point?	00:05
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SpeedEvil	optimising CPU use	00:07
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vi__	easy debian chromium-browser...	00:10
vi__	...not bad	00:10
kerio	is there a proper chromium for maemo?	00:11
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vi__	there was but it got abandoned due to legal issues.	00:13
kerio	legal issues that everyone but us dodged?	00:14
vi__	dunno, ask jacekowski	00:16
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DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: duh :-o	00:32
* DocScrutinizer05 learnt something new \o/		00:33
SpeedEvil	this is very hazy memory	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	just when I was about to start thinking "this might get boring"	00:33
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DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/chinook/sp-startup-time/	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/sp-startup-time/libstartup.so app-to-run	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	vi_: ^^^	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	OMFG chinook	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	this been one or two releases before diablo?	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	C = D--	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	so one before diablo	00:39
kerio	what's e?	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	undef	00:39
kerio	:(	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	for some reasons some chars are banned	00:39
kerio	but that's the same letter as my name!	00:39
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if RC0 been named "atrocity" or "atrophy"		00:41
kerio	you mean maemo 1 or maemo 2	00:42
kerio	?	00:42
kerio	1 doesn't have a codename, 2 is mistral/scirocco/gregale, 3 is bora, 4 is chinook/diablo, 5 is fremantle	00:43
kerio	according to wikipedia	00:43
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DocScrutinizer05	LOL	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	(1.0.0) Gregale (2.0.0) Bora (3.0.0) Chinook (4.0.0) Diablo (5.0.0) Fremantle	00:44
kerio	what's that?	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-releases	00:44
kerio	how do i vote for deletion?	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames	00:46
kerio	hehe, who added CSSU there?	00:46
DocScrutinizer05	Starting from Bora the release names will be alphabetical, E and G have been excluded from this progression for various reasons (see Presentation by Quim Gil at LinuxTag 2007).	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	CSSU?	00:47
kerio	in Codenames	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	WE ARE FAMOUS!!! \o/	00:47
merlin1991	dafuq?	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	Elephanta is an awesome name	00:49
DocScrutinizer05	;-P	00:49
kerio	it was thp	00:49
kerio	http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Template:Release_history_table&oldid=43575	00:49
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DocScrutinizer05	wtf libmeegotouch on N900? http://maemo.org/packages/view/applauncherd-libmeegotouch-perf-tests/	01:28
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merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=libmeegotouch&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same	01:29
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: :nod: - but... any application using it yet?	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	and how?	01:31
merlin1991	don't know, the guy who uploaded libmeegotouch is working on a harm -> fremantle compatability layer	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	I mean... is it a toolkit like qt?	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	MTF date/time-picker for sure more sane than fremantle qt standard	01:33
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DocScrutinizer05	aka F*CKING slotmachine	01:33
merlin1991	libmeegotouch is a widget library on top of qt widgets	01:33
merlin1991	which can be styled with css files	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	ohnoes, so even the MTF timepicker will be a slotmachine on fremantle?? :-o	01:34
merlin1991	wtf?	01:34
merlin1991	how should that work?	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	dunno, just shocked	01:34
merlin1991	fremantle timepicher is hildon/gtk, it would have to be a very very weird coincidence that it looks similar in any way	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	when I heard "on top of qt"	01:35
merlin1991	well nokia fremantle apps are 90% hildon/gtk	01:35
merlin1991	actually I don't know a single core application that would be in qt	01:35
DocScrutinizer05	HARM qt(m) apps have slotmachines worse than fremantle	01:36
merlin1991	harm has a really nice datepicker	01:37
DocScrutinizer05	in MTF, yes	01:37
merlin1991	well you're talking about the harm qml apps	01:37
merlin1991	those have bad timepickers, that's true	01:37
merlin1991	though someone released a proper qt component to be used from qml that works like the mtf one	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	qtm/qml wtf idunno	01:38
merlin1991	http://va-sorokin.blogspot.co.at/2012/02/presentation-of-meego-harmattan-native.html would be the thing	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, seen it and already forgot that awesome work	01:38
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DocScrutinizer05	since I'll probably never touch HARM again	01:39
merlin1991	though it's kinda sad how they changed the stock timepicker in pr1.2	01:39
merlin1991	before that you practically had 2 wheels which you draged around, now it jumps to the point you click at	01:40
* merlin1991 should find the offending commit and revert it in the lib		01:40
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nox-	http://kuwaitiful.com/tech-gadgets/iphone-5-vs-fake-iphone-5/	02:46
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ShadowJK	Pali: bme might start at 550mA, but it goes up eventually (unless dc adapter is crap, unless battery bsi reading is crap)	03:06
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ShadowJK	Pali: bme set 100mA termination in original firmware, after original firmware, around PR1.3, a kernel change was made which increased minimum power consumption while on charger by 60mA, thus the bump by 50mA in charge script. This kernel change is reverted in power kernel, so there I actually use 50 myself.	03:07
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah, ang guess what's eating those 60mA! musb-hdrc staing active while on charger, since.. duh, it might turn out it's a USB host that only took like 3h to start ENUM (don't ask me why such host has D+/- short though)	03:31
DocScrutinizer05	s/ang/and/	03:31
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, and guess what's eating those 60mA! musb-hdrc staing active while on charger, since.. duh, it might turn out it's a USB host that only took like 3h to start ENUM (don't ask me why such host has D+/- short though)	03:31
ShadowJK	iirc it was for some weird charging usb hub	03:34
ShadowJK	that doesnt exist in real life	03:35
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rvs1st	any n900 coming out???	05:25
robbiethe1st	...?	05:26
rvs1st	some kinda version	05:26
robbiethe1st	Uh, why would you think that?	05:26
robbiethe1st	N900 was/is awesome. And would own windows phone if it had a bit of polish... which means Nokia can't release it(their loyalty being bought by Microsoft)	05:27
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rvs1st	whaaaaaat	05:49
rvs1st	crazies if they only knew how much tech ppl would love to tweak there phones	05:49
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Skry	well, there is still a lot of tweaking to be done with n900, so get tweaking :)	05:52
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DocScrutinizer05	sigh	06:00
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jpinx	cheap-shit chinese batteries :S	06:19
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jpinx	good for only about 10 recharges	06:20
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DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: hm?	06:38
jpinx	DocScrutinizer05: bought chinese 1320ma/h battery here and it was great for a month ;)	06:39
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	06:39
jpinx	but it was only approx $7	06:39
DocScrutinizer05	impurities in chemistry and poor sealing can both cause that	06:40
jpinx	yea - it's a chinese make -- not likely to be good quality - I knew it when I bought it - but it was great while it lasted ( she said ;) ) haha	06:41
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SpeedEvil	also using rice paper as the seperator.	06:53
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DocScrutinizer05	hey, that's almost too smart for el Qaida	07:13
DocScrutinizer05	one stupid asshole gets some money from them, hires some american actors to do a terribly stupid and disgusting film insulting "the prophet", publishes this video in nternet, shouts I'm an Aegypt and I'm a coptic christian, and disappears	07:15
DocScrutinizer05	I bet some "imam" told him that's a special form of jihad and Alah will forgive him and appreciate his fighting against the western devil	07:18
DocScrutinizer05	then for all those muslims who still don't get it, some other el Qaida supporters spread the news that american gvmt's censorship accknowledged that bullshit video	07:20
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jpinx	SpeedEvil: anything is possible.... it's chinese ;)	08:13
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jpinx	what's the cl to get an accurate reading of battery charge state?	08:18
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DocScrutinizer51	accurate takes much more than one cmdline	08:37
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DocScrutinizer51	if you meant 'detailed' then lshal\|grep batter	08:38
DocScrutinizer51	if you really need accurate then the cmdline is even shorter, but takes quite some preparation work: bq27200.sh	08:40
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stardiviner	How to add extra-testing and extra-devel repository from command line instead of manually write from package manager ? (I want to do this in script.)	09:39
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, sorry I don't know, I added them into /etc/apt/sources.list and use apt-get update :)	09:41
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: that's it.	09:41
freemangordon	stardiviner: you'd better put a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/	09:42
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, no, I think they are not the same	09:42
freemangordon	:nod:	09:42
freemangordon	HAM uses its own repo settings	09:42
stardiviner	freemangordon: I found one file hilden-applicatio-manager in sources.list.d/	09:43
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LaoLang_cool	I see a file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/: hildon-application-manger.list	09:43
LaoLang_cool	Dont' know if HAM use it	09:43
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freemangordon	I know, but it gets overwritten whe you start HAM	09:43
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: HAM use it,	09:43
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, as freemangordon said, maybe it don't do what you want :(	09:43
stardiviner	freemangordon: can not write from script ?	09:44
freemangordon	stardiviner: what?	09:44
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: But I do not want to always manually add it after a flash, (even flash is not happen offen)	09:44
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, I tried to put a file containing some repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, but it doesn't take effect when apt-get update, what else am I missing?	09:44
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, I understand you, it's annoying to do that	09:45
LaoLang_cool	sorry I can't help you	09:45
freemangordon	LaoLang_cool: NFC, that is what I use here when I need something from extras-devel	09:45
freemangordon	it should work	09:45
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, NFC?	09:45
freemangordon	~nfc	09:45
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: I checked that file hildon-application-manager.list, It has lines which I added repos manualy in HAM. I think I can do it in script.	09:46
infobot	well, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications	09:46
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LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, the file should be rename to foo.list?	09:46
freemangordon	yep	09:46
LaoLang_cool	with a suffix .list	09:46
LaoLang_cool	oh, I got it	09:46
freemangordon	yep ;)	09:46
freemangordon	stardiviner: makes no sense to mess up with hildon-application-manager.list as HAM will overwrite it	09:47
freemangordon	stardiviner: you'd better use microb to browse to repository.maemo.org and click on "install repo" links	09:47
freemangordon	or keep a links on your desktop, 2 clicks and you're in	09:48
stardiviner	freemangordon: it is not as good as do it in script. Because I want to a lot of actions in one script, remove useless default games package, install new packages, and do gconf etc.	09:49
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, you should use apt-get for that	09:49
LaoLang_cool	I use it, and it works	09:50
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: of course, apt-get	09:50
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: but apt-get can not add repository, so I want to echo "repo address" >> hildon-app..-manager.list file	09:51
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, apt-get purge for removing application, and apt-get install afor installing application	09:51
freemangordon	stardiviner: you don't need to touch hildon-app..-manager.list	09:51
freemangordon	stardiviner.list will do the same	09:51
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, echo "repo address" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/myapt.list	09:51
freemangordon	if put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/	09:51
freemangordon	yep	09:52
stardiviner	freemangordon: LaoLang_cool the file exists before I append new repos to it, HAM use it by default.	09:52
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, I know it would good if you could add repo address into HAM, but before you find a solution for it, you can try the way of apt-get	09:52
freemangordon	stardiviner: well, it is up to you after all :)	09:52
stardiviner	LaoLang_cool: how to use apt-get to add repository ?	09:53
freemangordon	HAm does not use it, it creates it	09:53
freemangordon	stardiviner: on the side not - why do you reflash ocasianly?	09:53
LaoLang_cool	stardiviner, echo "your repo address" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stardivnerlist	09:53
freemangordon	*note	09:53
freemangordon	"/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stardivner.list"	09:54
freemangordon	.list is importatnt	09:54
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, a typo ;p	09:54
LaoLang_cool	thank you for correction	09:54
freemangordon	yeah	09:54
stardiviner	freemangordon: some times, some packages need to run dpkg --configure -a , but this command can not fix the problem , then I can not figure out solution	09:54
freemangordon	so you reflash?	09:55
LaoLang_cool	My question is, how to invoke contacts app to show a particular contact's detail from cli?	09:55
freemangordon	LaoLang_cool: did you look at dbus phonebook api in wiki?	09:56
LaoLang_cool	something like: osso-abook -g LaoLang_cool	09:56
freemangordon	no, it should be dbus call	09:56
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, could you point me to the link please?	09:56
LaoLang_cool	dbus is ok	09:56
freemangordon	hmm, lemme google for you :P	09:56
freemangordon	http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control	09:57
LaoLang_cool	thanks, actually I don't know much technoledge :)	09:57
LaoLang_cool	oh, I have checked that link	09:57
freemangordon	nothing in there?	09:57
LaoLang_cool	nothing relative to what I want	09:57
LaoLang_cool	I will check if it has updated since last time I read it	09:57
freemangordon	LaoLang_cool: you may want to check what hildon-desktop does when you type while on desktop	09:58
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freemangordon	though i am not sure if it is h-d or h-h	09:58
LaoLang_cool	what is h-d or h-h?	09:59
freemangordon	hildon-desktop hildon-home	09:59
LaoLang_cool	I don't know how to check it on desktop	09:59
freemangordon	naah, check in the sources :)	09:59
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LaoLang_cool	oh!	09:59
LaoLang_cool	I am just a normal user... ok, give it up :(	10:00
freemangordon	why?!?	10:00
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, I don't know where is the source, and how to look for and read it ...	10:01
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freemangordon	LaoLang_cool: your dbus interface if com.nokia.osso_addressbook	10:08
freemangordon	s/if/is/	10:08
infobot	freemangordon meant: LaoLang_cool: your dbus interface is com.nokia.osso_addressbook	10:08
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, so?	10:09
LaoLang_cool	I don't know about it :(	10:09
LaoLang_cool	Could you give me an example please?	10:09
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freemangordon	dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_addressbook /com/nokia/osso_addressbook com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append string:"a"	10:13
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LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, cool, thank you!	10:22
LaoLang_cool	I think it should be added to the wiki	10:22
freemangordon	well, add it :P	10:22
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, how to append a <return>?	10:23
freemangordon	what?	10:23
LaoLang_cool	I want sth like: "LaoLang_cool\r"	10:23
freemangordon	\n?	10:23
freemangordon	but but	10:23
freemangordon	you cannot have "\r" on the address book	10:23
LaoLang_cool	it will append "\n"...	10:23
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, I want to simulate a click action	10:24
freemangordon	aah :)	10:24
freemangordon	no idea	10:24
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LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, any other command except com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append?	10:25
freemangordon	open_group, though I don;t know what it does	10:25
LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, just this one? because com.nokia.osso_addressbook.search_append is for appending string, I want to do a refresh search, no appending	10:26
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LaoLang_cool	I mean I want to do a new serach	10:26
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freemangordon	don't know	10:28
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LaoLang_cool	freemangordon, anyway, thank you, appending also does very helpful!	10:32
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freemangordon	LaoLang_cool: you also may want to chaeck how is an contact added to desktop	10:35
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LaoLang_cool	what is afk?	10:38
LaoLang_cool	~afk	10:38
infobot	[afk] Away From Keyboard	10:38
LaoLang_cool	oh, enjoy!	10:38
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ShadowJK	jpinx; I have a "Japod" from dx.com, it's pretty darn good (1400+ mAh)	11:33
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kerio	hm, the akku polarcell is 1520mAh	11:35
kerio	that's neat	11:36
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kerio	it costs 13€ though	11:37
ShadowJK	and when you say "is" do you mean 1520 is writtre	11:37
ShadowJK	written on it?	11:37
deepy	polarcell?	11:40
kerio	no, when i say "is" i mean 1500 is written on it and dr_frost_dk tested it for 1520	11:40
kerio	deepy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568	11:41
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kerio	deepy: also, wtf do you want, you don't have a n900 yet!	11:41
kerio	ShadowJK: so... yeah :)	11:45
deepy	I have an extremly powerful phone!	11:46
deepy	I can probably emulate two N900s with it	11:46
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deepy	For the full two hours that the battery holds!	11:46
kerio	which phone is this?	11:46
deepy	It's an LG	11:47
kerio	bitch please	11:48
deepy	4X HD	11:48
deepy	I really like it, except three things. the battery life, the call volume and the battery life	11:48
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kerio	fun fact: googling "lg 4x" gives you the graph of log(4*x) first	11:48
jaska	:D	11:48
deepy	that graph shows the battery usage pretty well	11:49
kerio	deepy: it's a quad-core 1.5ghz	11:49
kerio	you can probably emulate 9 or 10 n900s	11:49
deepy	at first it's like invincible, but then it escalates quickly and the last 5% work out well	11:49
deepy	kerio: not with that battery no	11:49
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vi_	It runs android,	11:50
deepy	No it crawls android.	11:50
vi_	It does not fully support the CPU powersaving modes.	11:50
kerio	hehe	11:50
kerio	that's silly	11:50
vi_	While leaking your private data everywhere like an incontinent dog.	11:50
deepy	vi_: get me a N900 at a price I can afford here in Ireland and I will change	11:51
kerio	deepy: how much does the battery last, in standby?	11:51
vi_	deepy: North or south?	11:51
deepy	in standby I am not sure, I tend to use my phone during the day	11:51
kerio	and don't think the n900's battery lasts a lot	11:51
deepy	Dublin	11:51
deepy	But I need to charge it when I get home after work	11:51
deepy	I charged it before a party that was on a Friday, on saturday morning it was out of battery	11:52
deepy	20m call-time and three texts	11:52
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kerio	that's a bit silly, yeah	11:52
vi_	deepy: I do not know about the ROI but you should be able to pick up a good N900 for around £1500 maximum.	11:52
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kerio	LOL	11:53
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vi_	deepy: Sounds like you have some crap that is wasting your battery life.	11:53
vi_	No phone is that bad.	11:53
deepy	vi_: to give you some insight	11:53
kerio	deepy: i paid 150€ for an almost-new n900 before the summer	11:53
vi_	does android have widgets?	11:53
deepy	I had the same battery life when the phone was new and had just my SIM card and contacts on it	11:53
deepy	Yes, but I have the same widgets as my Nexus One has	11:54
deepy	LITERALLY the same, I moved the APK over	11:54
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vi_	I do not know what to suggest. YOu see, us N900 users are notorious android haterz.	11:54
Luke-Jr	lol	11:54
kerio	vi_: what about nitdroid?	11:55
vi_	nitroid can go blow a goats asshole.	11:55
kerio	k :c	11:55
vi_	The shit is responsible for more than 50% of the broken n900 spam on TMO.	11:55
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deepy	vi_: they're only selling them in strange places like Mullingar or Meath	11:55
kerio	deepy: buy it on the internets	11:56
vi_	deepy: My ROI geography is broken.	11:56
kerio	then it doesn't matter where you are or where the n900 is	11:56
kerio	as long as you're still in the EU	11:56
vi_	But if you can visually inspect it first AND get a good price, that would be ideal.	11:56
deepy	I just offered 110 on one, bah	11:57
kerio	deepy: buy it with paypal, immediately ask for your money back claiming you got a brick in the mail	11:58
* Arkenoi really does not understand why one could want to run nitdroid except just for hack value		11:58
kerio	not too immediately, though	11:58
jacekowski	paypal sucks	11:59
kerio	Arkenoi: to register with that weird unofficial whatsapp client	11:59
Luke-Jr	O.o	11:59
deepy	kerio: hehe, I have a friend starting at paypal :)	12:00
Luke-Jr	deepy: FAIL	12:00
Luke-Jr	paypal is obsolete :P	12:00
deepy	Yes but they pay	12:00
vi_	Paypal are scum	12:00
vi_	UTTER SCUM.	12:00
deepy	That's my point, he'll have a jolly good time there!	12:00
Luke-Jr	deepy: until they go out of business	12:00
kerio	it's like working at a bank, except that you're not regulated	12:00
kerio	it's brilliant	12:00
vi_	Except for all the poor fucks they steal money from.	12:01
deepy	Luke-Jr: we're talking months here	12:01
Luke-Jr	deepy: does he even have a position where he can try to save paypal?	12:02
deepy	He has a position where he can be one of the people who do their job right	12:02
kerio	deepy: are you going to sell your LG?	12:02
Luke-Jr	so no	12:02
deepy	kerio: are you interested in buying it?	12:02
kerio	hell naw	12:02
deepy	I'm thinking about cloning my SIM	12:02
kerio	well	12:02
kerio	i'll buy it for 2€	12:02
deepy	Be a rebel and have two phones	12:02
vi_	deepy: o0	12:02
kerio	it's not "are you interested in buying it?", it's "how much would you pay for it?"	12:03
vi_	Once you have cloned your sim, be sure to wwrite a white paper on how you circumvented the 3G sim security.	12:03
deepy	What do you mean 3G SIM :)?	12:03
vi_	You will be as famouse as korek.	12:03
* Arkenoi owns all my kodez (imsi, Ki)		12:03
deepy	There's a reason I still have an old one	12:04
kerio	it's not about sim vs usim	12:04
deepy	But no, I'm probably just going to swap it around	12:04
vi_	Maybe that is why your battery is so shit.	12:04
Arkenoi	dumped it long time ago from old SIM card and never care to get replacements from my operator again	12:04
vi_	It has to step up to 18v just to warm up the valve tubes.	12:04
kerio	hahaha	12:04
deepy	vi_: don't pin this one me! I've done hte exact same things with TWO separate phones in TWO separate countries with TWO separate carriers!	12:05
tadzik	aren't most of today's smartphones Very Bad at battery life?	12:05
kerio	was the sim different too?	12:05
kerio	tadzik: the n900 is a today's smartphone	12:05
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kerio	and it doesn't have a bad battery life, really	12:05
vi_	tadzik: No, just poorly programmned operating systems.	12:05
tadzik	no it's not, it's 3 years old smartphone	12:05
vi_	N900 is the ONLY smartphone ever made it to production.	12:06
tadzik	I don't say it can't compete	12:06
kerio	tadzik: it's the latest, in its run	12:06
tadzik	is it even produced yet?	12:06
kerio	it fucking should	12:06
tadzik	sigh, well	12:06
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vi_	Comparing an N900 with android is like compairing an TI82 with an HP49G+	12:06
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tadzik	you're comparing hardware to the OS	12:07
kerio	vi_: the TI82 is an overpriced piece of crap though	12:07
vi_	the TI82 is obsolete.	12:07
kerio	even brand new, it was overpriced	12:07
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vi_	There was some bro on reddit jerkin off about how he had 'programmned' his android phone to say shit to him when he got to work and to txt his wife.	12:09
vi_	When he got to work his phone would say 'I have txt your wife to let her know you have arrived at work safely'.	12:10
kerio	haha	12:10
vi_	as kerio would say	12:10
vi_	b* please.	12:10
vi_	THe N900 can do that out of the box.	12:10
vi_	In chinese if you want.	12:10
kerio	yeah, that's like a dbus message and a call to speex	12:11
kerio	well no, you need speex for voice synth	12:11
kerio	it's not preinstalled	12:11
vi_	speex, festival, espeak. Take you pick.	12:11
deepy	how's python in the N900?	12:11
vi_	deepy: Full on.	12:11
kerio	deepy: 2.5-ish	12:11
deepy	hnnngg	12:11
tadzik	heh, yeah	12:12
kerio	but i suppose that the armel debian binary package would work	12:12
kerio	deepy: mind the optification though	12:12
kerio	~optification	12:12
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infobot	optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit and partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"	12:12
deepy	This guy seemed so legit at first too! I was about to buy it! http://www.adverts.ie/mobile-phones/nokia-n900-sim-free/2013442?notification=35fa66562a16a44037b0033ff949a5f0-1347025060#comment_9831127	12:12
kerio	the python release in extras(-devel) uses bindmounts to make everything work fine though	12:12
deepy	err, I meant to paste teh comment but whatever	12:12
vi_	I have had it in my mind to write a script that would automate txt'ing mrs vi__	12:12
kerio	without clogging the rootfs	12:13
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kerio	deepy: hehe	12:13
vi_	It would generate a sentence from some pre defined lists.	12:13
deepy	Look at that ad, can you spot the 3 things that made me run the opposite direction?	12:13
vi_	To say something nice.	12:13
vi_	And message it out within a 2 hour window on some random days.	12:14
kerio	haha	12:14
deepy	That seems prone to fail, it'll say the same thing twice on the exact same time two days in a row	12:14
vi_	She is a girl. She will not notice.	12:15
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vi_	She will be too busy thinking about unicorns and cakes.	12:15
deepy	That's like saying: "Oh, he's a fireman, he won't notice if his house is on fire."	12:15
vi_	That doesnt make any sense.	12:16
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kerio	vi_: you don't make any sense!	12:16
deepy	Neither does Poe if you read it backwards	12:16
vi_	eop?	12:16
deepy	I read that as end of pony	12:17
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deepy	@Deepy:dont look time and date becouse i forgoten change in the camera if want see come here please	12:55
deepy	Sounds so legit :/	12:55
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kerio	deepy: damn you for using colors	13:00
kerio	and LOL	13:00
deepy	Pure accident!	13:00
kerio	yeah, buy it from somewhere else	13:00
kerio	hold on, what does "come here" mean?	13:00
deepy	also it bothers the heck out of me too :P	13:00
deepy	it means that other city which is way out	13:01
kerio	i wouldn't go	13:01
deepy	If I lived there I would've gone and checked it out	13:02
deepy	and noted it to be a waste of time	13:02
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kerio	deepy: you'll get killed	13:05
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deepy	kerio: no no, there's only nice people	13:47
deepy	Deepy placed offer 14/09/2012 9:57 am (1 hour ago): €110 Offered, If we can meet in Dublin on Saturday/Sunday	13:48
deepy	Ju5tin says 14/09/2012 10:57 am (50 minutes ago): pm@Deepy	13:48
deepy	YES!	13:48
kerio	:D	13:48
kerio	yay	13:49
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DocScrutinizer05	ux äp5c 1pi	16:39
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jpinx	does the nopp run ok with charger plugged in but battery out?	16:53
jpinx	...n900 I mean..	16:54
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kerio	jpinx: nope	16:57
kerio	not even close	16:57
jpinx	ok .. thanks	16:57
DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: see my thread on tmo though	16:58
DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: it's feasible (as long as you don't need modem)	16:59
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DocScrutinizer05	something with "hotswap" in title iirc	16:59
DocScrutinizer05	I ran N900 without battery for several hours	17:00
DocScrutinizer05	for booting though you need battery	17:00
jpinx	ok DocScrutinizer05 . Thanks. I'll check that out	17:00
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kerio	offline mode and low brightness are fine, i suppose	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	yep, and "keep backlight on"	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	any brightness	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	as soon as screen blanks, charger chip detects end of charging and powers down system ungracefully	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734	17:25
DocScrutinizer05	jpinx: ^^^	17:25
jpinx	thanks DocScrutinizer05 :)	17:26
* jpinx lastlogs....		17:27
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jpinx	sleepytime here. Back to solutions tomorrow...	17:29
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vi_	are chinese capable of making anything that is not utter shit?	17:33
kerio	vi_: yes	17:35
kerio	they're probably not willing, though	17:35
Hurrian	meh, they just go with the flow.	17:35
Hurrian	the Xiaomi phones are actually decent, shame all the OEMs going for that kind of thing go with Android	17:36
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DocScrutinizer05	"I'm here to defend my prophet Mohammed. I'm angry for the Amaricans haven't blocked that movie on internet" -- Oh yeah, sure	18:07
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GeneralAntilles	Don't worry, the Cairo embassy you tried to burn down agrees with you.	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	:-P	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	what a bunch of morons	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	wait until they find out that the allegedly copt christian actually been a muslim sent by el Qaida to produce this crap movie to mobilze the islamic world against the west	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	whom will the lynch THEN?	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	they*	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	and if it finally turns out the servers where the movie got hosted are in turkey or even saudi-arabia, where no US gvmt has any means to "block that movie", will they demand for US troops to raid this country and blow up the building where the servers are located?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	(not that US gvmt has any means or legitimation to block that movie when it was hosted on US located servers either)	18:15
kerio	ECHAN	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	not really, if you wanna shout OT please do	18:16
kerio	OT!	18:16
GeneralAntilles	The outrage is probably largely manufactured.	18:17
kerio	of course it is	18:17
kerio	religion is just a way to exert control over a populace	18:18
kerio	or, well, a group of people	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	now the mob atacking German and GB embassy, fine! They really do all to make us love them	18:19
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* DocScrutinizer05 evaluates nuking some embasy of an islamic country because their government hasn't managed to stop morons stomping on and incinerating German flag		18:28
kerio	what's the settings app called?	18:29
kerio	oh wtf	18:31
kerio	killing hildon-home once caused a reboot	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	heh?	18:31
kerio	to be fair i also made the settings app crash multiple times	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	18:32
kerio	i assume it's the same?	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	dunno	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	the status menu probably is	18:32
kerio	oh no, it's controlpanel	18:32
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dhbiker	hi there	20:24
dhbiker	err	20:24
dhbiker	how do i charge bricked phone ?	20:24
dhbiker	i think its bricked since its bootlooping	20:24
freemangordon	if it is booting then it is not bricked	20:25
freemangordon	when it reboots?	20:25
freemangordon	and what phone?	20:25
dhbiker	actually freezes	20:26
dhbiker	on nokia screen	20:26
dhbiker	n900	20:26
freemangordon	hmm, which kernel?	20:26
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dhbiker	power 51	20:26
freemangordon	did you rty to reflash it?	20:26
freemangordon	rootfs	20:26
dhbiker	hm	20:27
dhbiker	what if the battery is too low in charge	20:27
freemangordon	you'll only lose your software, data will be ok	20:27
freemangordon	I think it uses usb to power the device while flashing	20:28
freemangordon	maght be wrong	20:28
freemangordon	*might	20:28
dhbiker	guess not	20:28
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freemangordon	hmm	20:28
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freemangordon	well, it won't become worse that now :)	20:28
dhbiker	lol	20:29
dhbiker	i somehow need to charge up the battery	20:29
dhbiker	:/	20:29
freemangordon	but what is the point if it does not boot?	20:29
freemangordon	btw if it is stuck on nokia logo, it means there is not kernel	20:30
freemangordon	iirc	20:30
freemangordon	you may want to flash kernel zImage only	20:30
dhbiker	it worked before this reboot	20:30
dhbiker	thats what bothers me	20:31
freemangordon	so you just reboot and BAM	20:31
dhbiker	yup	20:31
freemangordon	did you install anything since the last reboot?	20:31
freemangordon	esp kernel	20:31
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dhbiker	nope	20:32
dhbiker	installed kernel	20:32
dhbiker	rebooted	20:32
dhbiker	worked fine	20:32
freemangordon	how did you reboot?	20:32
dhbiker	shut down via switch	20:33
dhbiker	and then turn on	20:33
freemangordon	did you try to remove the battery?	20:34
dhbiker	yes	20:34
freemangordon	fuck	20:34
freemangordon	well, flash seems iminent	20:34
dhbiker	probably dead battery	20:34
freemangordon	naah	20:35
kerio	dhbiker: if it's bootlooping and the battery is too low, YOU GOT A BRICK SON	20:35
freemangordon	you won't have nokia logo	20:35
dhbiker	kerio: i thought so	20:35
freemangordon	kerio: don't scare him	20:35
freemangordon	bullshit	20:35
kerio	well, it's an easy unbrick - you need to charge your battery	20:35
freemangordon	he have a dead battery, not a brick	20:35
freemangordon	*has	20:35
dhbiker	kerio: problem is HOW	20:36
freemangordon	dhbiker: any spare battery?	20:36
dhbiker	no :(	20:36
freemangordon	wait, you say it freezes on Nokia logo?	20:36
dhbiker	yes	20:36
kerio	dhbiker: do you know someone with a 5800?	20:36
freemangordon	or asha	20:36
freemangordon	kerio: but it is not the batter	20:37
freemangordon	y	20:37
dhbiker	hm	20:37
dhbiker	i think i know someone with 5800	20:37
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: please don't tell nonsense about flashing	20:37
DocScrutinizer05	it's a well known fact that flashing depends on charged battery	20:37
freemangordon	seems like corrupted nand/missing kernel/missing kernel modules	20:37
dhbiker	i can restore the backup via backupmenu	20:38
dhbiker	thats not a problem	20:38
dhbiker	problem is charging the battery somehow	20:38
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: won;t argue, I am not an experienced flasher	20:38
freemangordon	but even 10-15 percent charge should be more than enough	20:39
DocScrutinizer05	dhbiker: will device show pesistent USB logo in upper right corner of NOKIA screen when you hold 'u' key while plugging in WALLCHARGER to powered down N900?	20:39
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: no	20:39
dhbiker	yes its present	20:39
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: ok	20:39
DocScrutinizer05	then your battery is fine for flashing	20:39
dhbiker	it shows up fpr few secs	20:40
dhbiker	though	20:40
DocScrutinizer05	stop bootlooping though, it only depletes battery	20:40
dhbiker	for*	20:40
DocScrutinizer05	nah, it has to STAY	20:40
dhbiker	ok then no	20:40
DocScrutinizer05	when it vanishes, this means battery too low	20:40
dhbiker	bah :(	20:40
freemangordon	find someone with 5800 or asha	20:40
freemangordon	(or n900 :P )	20:41
DocScrutinizer05	or get external charger	20:41
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dhbiker	k tnx for now	20:42
DocScrutinizer05	yw	20:43
dhbiker	ill try to contact someone somehow xD	20:43
kerio	if you want to buy an external charger, buy the nokia one	20:43
DocScrutinizer05	sounds expensive	20:43
dhbiker	agree	20:43
kerio	but it's cute!	20:46
DocScrutinizer05	I'd rather get a used N900 for 80 bucks, than a new nokia charger for 40	20:48
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	20:48
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: according to some report in the internets DT-33 charger is a tad too smart. It stops charging at max 1000mAh	21:00
DocScrutinizer05	hard to believe	21:00
DocScrutinizer05	but allegedly info straight from Nokia care	21:01
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Woody14619	Love you all... I'm off IRC for the weekend... Will be back Monday. Contact Council via mail if something explodes. :)	22:37
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teotwaki_	DocScrutinizer05: I'd rather get an n950 for 40 bucks ;)	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	won't charge BL-5J	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	so it's obviously a useless device ;-P	23:30
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ZogG_laptop	teotwaki_: n950 fr 40$?	23:34
ZogG_laptop	good luck	23:34
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kerio	i'd buy it	23:43
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