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| DocScrutinizer51 | sandisk Extreme Pro: 16GB, 80MB/s read 74MB/s write | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | even *if* this card sucks terribly on random r/w it still has to be kinda above par? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NB MB not Mb | 00:55 |
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| GGon | uhm | 00:57 |
| GGon | the cssu update requires nokia pc suite? | 00:57 |
| GGon | what's up with that? | 00:57 |
| tadzik | :) | 00:57 |
| tadzik | did you see GENERAL NOTICE? | 00:58 |
| GGon | no | 00:58 |
| tadzik | it says "update operator name widget first" | 00:58 |
| GGon | uhm | 00:58 |
| GGon | ok | 00:59 |
| GGon | i don't really even use the N900 anymore since hte modem died | 01:00 |
| GGon | lol | 01:00 |
| GGon | i don't even know why i'm going through the trouble | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe because you love maemo and N900 so much? | 01:01 |
| GGon | yeah :'( | 01:01 |
| GGon | wish the damn thing worked | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw N900 are kinda el-cheapo now, when you can find any on fleabay) | 01:01 |
| GGon | not cheap enough to buy a 3rd one | 01:01 |
| kerio | yeah, 150€ for a tiny linux computer is really not a lot | 01:02 |
| kerio | especially a tiny linux computer merged with what is, after all, still a fairly decent phone | 01:02 |
| GGon | oh | 01:02 |
| GGon | yeah they are | 01:02 |
| GGon | wow what happened? | 01:02 |
| GGon | people just trying to dump them now? :) | 01:02 |
| GGon | last i checked they were like $300 | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other fools spend 600 bucks every year, just to have the right digit after the "iPhone" brandname | 01:02 |
| kerio | well, at some point in the past nokia hired a new CEO... | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather happily spend 150 bucks every 3 months | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a new used N900 | 01:03 |
| GGon | but i have att now | 01:03 |
| GGon | no 3G :-/ | 01:03 |
| kerio | mind you, 150€ was for a *really* new used phone | 01:03 |
| GGon | heh | 01:03 |
| kerio | GGon: see, your problem is that you chose not to be in europe | 01:03 |
| GGon | kerio: hahaha! | 01:04 |
| GGon | i didn't choose that ;) | 01:04 |
| GGon | not enough battery power? | 01:04 |
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| GGon | and my meter is at like 75%? :) | 01:04 |
| GGon | wth? | 01:04 |
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| kerio | srsly though, what's with the US of A? | 01:05 |
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| GGon | who knows | 01:06 |
| kerio | awful mobile infrastructure, data caps on home connections, mitt romney... | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (75%) yeah there's some weird battery check in HAM, for system updates | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:06 |
| GGon | kerio: obama | 01:06 |
| GGon | kerio: canada is worse with their cell networks ;) | 01:06 |
| GGon | i think it's an America thing | 01:06 |
| kerio | canada is also worse with their prime minister, or so i heard | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blame Canada! | 01:06 |
| GGon | we have a socialist govt nowadays | 01:07 |
| GGon | USA.. the new Greece | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PFFF | 01:07 |
| kerio | anyway, phones in general are fscked in the US | 01:07 |
| kerio | hell, you guys pay to *receive* stuff | 01:07 |
| GGon | i want a lumia 920 | 01:07 |
| * GGon hides | 01:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike Greece, the USA never had any scruple to print as many $$$$ as they need | 01:08 |
| kerio | (stuff = phone calls and SMSes) | 01:08 |
| GGon | uhm | 01:08 |
| GGon | DocScrutinizer05: you might want to do some research on money printing and try again ;) | 01:08 |
| kerio | bitcoins are the future anyway | 01:08 |
| GGon | lol | 01:09 |
| kerio | no, seriously | 01:09 |
| kerio | it's a fucking brilliant concept | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: I just have to listen to Grenspan | 01:09 |
| GGon | so is communism :) | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what's his name | 01:09 |
| kerio | yes it is :c | 01:09 |
| GGon | bernake? | 01:09 |
| GGon | or something like that? | 01:09 |
| GGon | n900 rebooting! | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he even blamed Europe not to do the same | 01:10 |
| GGon | with new cssu!! wooo! | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, now we do | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 01:10 |
| kerio | wooo! | 01:10 |
| kerio | phone is still busted though | 01:10 |
| GGon | :-/ | 01:11 |
| GGon | just stab and twist huh? | 01:11 |
| kerio | *pat pat* | 01:11 |
| GGon | at least i can use it to irc from the toilet or something :-P | 01:11 |
| tadzik | I watched a Star Trek episode on mine today, debian maintainers apparently screwed up mplayer recently | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so almost as good as N810, which I used like 4h every day, for almost 2 yeras | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | years even | 01:12 |
| GGon | is there a way to disable the modem altogether? | 01:12 |
| GGon | ie: not make it try to access the sim and go into like NIT mode or something? | 01:13 |
| GGon | (CSSU feature request?) | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, called tabölet mode | 01:13 |
| GGon | really?? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes really | 01:13 |
| GGon | where is that?? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | app in extras-* | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | links into power button menu | 01:13 |
| GGon | no way | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next to airplane mode | 01:13 |
| GGon | wow wtf. this whole time? | 01:14 |
| GGon | lol | 01:14 |
| GGon | my battery was probably getting murdered by it continuing to try to access the sim | 01:14 |
| GGon | does it rid me of that no sim icon? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 01:14 |
| GGon | win! | 01:14 |
| kerio | yeah | 01:14 |
| kerio | it doesn't get rid of the space, though | 01:14 |
| kerio | iirc | 01:14 |
| GGon | but it does actually disable the modem right? | 01:15 |
| GGon | heh | 01:15 |
| kerio | yeah, it does | 01:15 |
| GGon | it's not just some hackery to disable warning msgs? | 01:15 |
| GGon | nice | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will try hard to do so, yes | 01:15 |
| kerio | afaik it's a weird function that's already there, there's just not a menu entry for it? | 01:15 |
| GGon | awesome | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:16 |
| kerio | #maemo saves the day again! ^_^ | 01:16 |
| GGon | just finished installing it :) | 01:16 |
| GGon | kerio: haha | 01:16 |
| GGon | yeah the battery was probably gettin gmurdered by the sim requests by the modem | 01:16 |
| GGon | THE BROKEN MODEM | 01:16 |
| GGon | ugh | 01:16 |
| kerio | haha | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | constant reboots of modem might kill battery, yes | 01:16 |
| kerio | i wonder if it can be repaired | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:17 |
| GGon | it would be cheaper to just buy a new one | 01:17 |
| kerio | i imagine the modem chip is kinda hard to come buy | 01:17 |
| kerio | *by | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:17 |
| GGon | ok | 01:17 |
| GGon | not seeing a "tablet mode" | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better? | 01:17 |
| GGon | when i get the power button menu | 01:17 |
| kerio | GGon: killall... something | 01:18 |
| kerio | or reboot, i guess | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you need a H-D restart (aka boot) | 01:18 |
| GGon | blah | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killall hildon-desktop | 01:18 |
| GGon | might as well use a windows phone :) | 01:18 |
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| GGon | lumia 920 has build in induction charging | 01:18 |
| kerio | really? :O | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do "killall hildon-desktop" on a windows phone! ;-P | 01:18 |
| kerio | that would be seriously neat | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, it has | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Qi standard | 01:19 |
| kerio | goddammit why am i still plugging cords | 01:19 |
| kerio | hm, i wonder if it could be done on the n900 | 01:20 |
| GGon | Additionally, the Lumia 920 supports built-in wireless charging and near-field communications. Nokia will offer its own charging plate, but design company Fatboywill sell a wireless charging pillow as well. Virgin Atlantic plans to install wireless charging pads in its Heathrow Airport lounge, and Coffee Bean will install wireless charging pads in its shops. JBL will sell a speaker dock called PowerUp, which charges the phone wirelessly and pairs through NFC. | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Nokia pushing so every publish shitbooth gets a charger integrated | 01:20 |
| kerio | how think is the phone part? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | public* | 01:20 |
| GGon | well | 01:20 |
| GGon | i'm surprised apple didn't do it first ;) | 01:21 |
| GGon | like MS with their keyboard smartpad for their win8 tablet | 01:21 |
| GGon | apple is slipping | 01:21 |
| GGon | ok | 01:21 |
| GGon | i am still not seeing this menu option | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently heard Jobs took the reality distortion field with him. Or was it the other way round? | 01:21 |
| GGon | all i see is offline mode | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, weird | 01:22 |
| kerio | GGon: :s | 01:22 |
| kerio | to be fair sometimes i used to not get it, on my old n900 | 01:22 |
| kerio | ...when the modem crashed for some reason | 01:22 |
| kerio | OH THE IRONY | 01:22 |
| GGon | lol | 01:22 |
| GGon | well i don't get the menu option to disable the modem in the power button menu | 01:23 |
| GGon | is there somewhere else i can activate the tablet mode? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 01:23 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 01:23 |
| GGon | uhm | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disable_cellular_radio | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to add --print-reply | 01:26 |
| kerio | GGon: don't leave us hanging like this! | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GGon: if you want to go for it, there are for sure more smart ways to tweak system in a way so it never even powers up the modem | 01:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: like what? | 01:32 |
| kerio | (also, what's 05?) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas I'm sill looking for the O'Reilly book 'maemo unleashed' to answer this question in detail | 01:33 |
| kerio | hahah | 01:33 |
| kerio | i'd buy it | 01:33 |
| kerio | for 2€ shipped | 01:33 |
| Macer | hm | 01:33 |
| Macer | ok still no menu :) | 01:34 |
| kerio | 3€ for maemo unleashed + harmattan unshackled, in a bundle | 01:34 |
| * Macer sigh | 01:34 | |
| Macer | hope the modem is off heh | 01:34 |
| kerio | actually, i'd even pay about tree fiddy for it | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Macer: check dmesg/syslog | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: I'll tell you what to pay if we ever run into each other | 01:35 |
| Macer | i dont even think i have syslog running | 01:36 |
| Macer | meh | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I bet you oew me 2 beer already | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | owe | 01:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hrmpf :c | 01:38 |
| kerio | so you're just doing it for the booze? D: | 01:38 |
| Macer | need to eat | 01:38 |
| Macer | later | 01:38 |
| GGon | damn opera is awesome | 01:39 |
| kerio | meh, keep the tally, i'll pay for it | 01:39 |
| GGon | at least full opera is | 01:40 |
| GGon | mobile/mini not so much | 01:40 |
| kerio | eventually | 01:40 |
| kerio | GGon: meh, opera mobile on the n900 is kinda useless | 01:40 |
| GGon | well.. i guess mobile/mini opera isn't too bad | 01:40 |
| GGon | but is lacking a "copy link" option for links | 01:40 |
| kerio | i only keep it there to be able to say "i've got three browsers on my phone" | 01:40 |
| GGon | on my windows and linux boxes opera is all i've been using | 01:41 |
| GGon | it's chrome sans google | 01:41 |
| kerio | GGon: oh, so you're one of *those* | 01:41 |
| GGon | those? | 01:41 |
| * kerio looks at GGon with disgust | 01:41 | |
| GGon | an...... opera user? :) | 01:42 |
| kerio | yeah | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 01:42 |
| GGon | well... ie sucks.. ff sucks almost as bad as ie.. chrome is google sucking up every bit of information on you they legally can... | 01:42 |
| GGon | so opera is all that is left :) | 01:42 |
| GGon | unless you get other off brand ones | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Konqueror FTW | 01:43 |
| GGon | rekonq wasn't too bad but has a lot of issues still | 01:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you | 01:43 |
| GGon | DocScrutinizer51: heh | 01:43 |
| GGon | safari was/is shit | 01:44 |
| GGon | i'm a big fan of never having redundant stuff... so i only allow 1 browser on anything | 01:45 |
| Skry | rekonq was a positive surprise | 01:45 |
| GGon | Skry: it still needs work ;) | 01:45 |
| GGon | but renders better than konqueror nonetheless... i haven't used it in quite a while tho.. just like opera | 01:45 |
| GGon | opera can rival chrome easily | 01:46 |
| Skry | actually I didnt notice anything that needs work in it, some minor rendering issues and few crashes but nothing that big | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | open windows[number(tabs)]: system-monitor; Konsole[2(10)]; Konqueror[25]; Konversation[1(20)]; Ding; Kwrite[7(10)]; FireFox[3]; Okular[3]; Yast; LibreOffice | 01:46 |
| GGon | why the firefox? :) | 01:47 |
| GGon | YOU HAVE KONQUEROR! | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some BS crap needs FF | 01:47 |
| GGon | Skry: i haven't used it in a long time | 01:47 |
| GGon | DocScrutinizer51: like zimbra? :-P | 01:47 |
| GGon | zimbra was so fail | 01:47 |
| GGon | i think in the last 10 years .. minus nokia.. zimbra was probably the biggest let down i encountered | 01:48 |
| GGon | and the touchbook | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like Linksys wrt54G router | 01:48 |
| GGon | i still hope that damn frog choked on my money for getting that piece of shit | 01:48 |
| GGon | really? my wrt54g rendered fine in konqueror | 01:48 |
| GGon | it's quite basic | 01:49 |
| GGon | i'm running ddwrt on it | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not reallly | 01:49 |
| GGon | opera works with it ;) | 01:49 |
| GGon | i haven't ran into anything yet opera can't handle.. and i was expecting to find something on day 1 | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WRT54GL | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rev1.1 | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah ddwrt will prolly work | 01:50 |
| GGon | DocScrutinizer51: i'm sure their interface is pretty much the same in the wrt54g series | 01:50 |
| GGon | i actually got a newer dual band router but wound up still getting shit speeds so jjust brought it back | 01:50 |
| GGon | and went to my 54g | 01:50 |
| GGon | at its solid 2MB/s :-/ | 01:50 |
| Skry | pff, time to mentally murder self with pvr sgx drivers | 01:50 |
| GGon | sgx drivers? | 01:50 |
| GGon | not that old chestnut :) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, wrt54gl case is built to stack them. WTF? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, who would stack WLAN AP? | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not only would it be insane regarding antenna interference | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also: WHY? | 01:53 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i'd like to be able to stack all my internet stuff | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they better had provided any sane means to bolt the crap to the wall | 01:54 |
| jonne|reconnecte | right now i have an wrt54g and my ISP's completely unstackable DSL router | 01:54 |
| jonne|reconnecte | takes up a ridiculous amount of space | 01:55 |
| Skry | GGon: Yeah, sgx, the one in N900. Trying to get those to build and maybe even work with later kernels. Well, modules build, 2d works on framebuffer but everything else pretty much fails, including Xorg. | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonne|reconnecte: just wrt54gl is no DSL router, it's a 4-switch with 802.11g | 01:55 |
| jonne|reconnecte | did i say anything that would make one assume i thought it wasn't? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you switch off the WLAN in one of two, you get a stack of a wlan-rouetr-switch with a switch :-S | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see no sane usecase in such a stack | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: how do you like ddwrt? is it oppering advanced configuration? like "cron for ifdown/ifup" | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | offering* | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | proper NAT | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etc | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a better question: what's the recommended version? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is maybe openWRT the better alternative? | 02:37 |
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| Skry | this SGX stuff is wicked | 03:12 |
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| Skry | SDK grabs * from drivers/gpu/drm and adds it's own device add and remove mechanisms in drm.ko :S | 03:14 |
| Skry | I think that should be done within driver | 03:14 |
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| GGon | DocScrutinizer05: i always stuck with ddwrt | 03:19 |
| GGon | but they are for the most part the same | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just swearing how to configure that shit without losing internet via true active 192.168.1.1 router | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do they really need to run DHCP on that useless brick?, do they really think it has to assign most common LAN addr to itself, for configuration purposes? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't it first check if maybe there's already a DHCP out there, and gently accept what this other DHCP assigns to it? | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it seems it actually does (when you connect to switch via WAN port), but then it's not responding to that addr / on that port | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I need a dedicated (probably not connected to internet) PC to run web config interface on this crap :-( | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not that it would differ in this regard from any arbitrary other brand of router | 03:26 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: DSL? | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 03:41 |
| jon_y | I just skip the router and bridge it directly | 03:42 |
| jon_y | somehow a lot less crash prone | 03:42 |
| jon_y | no more waking up in the morning to find router needs rebooting | 03:42 |
| jon_y | obviously you'll need to handle the security implications yourself | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I haven't seen router freeze during last say 5 years. But obviously your suggestion doesn't meet my requirements to serve ~10 devices, half of them via WLAN | 03:43 |
| jon_y | I see | 03:43 |
| jon_y | I put wlan/lan on another segment though | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otheriwse I'd appreciate much to have direct control of WAN traffic, rather than filtered reality by router | 03:44 |
| jon_y | so uncrashable PC goes in between modem and lan segments | 03:44 |
| jon_y | awesome to have 2 NICs | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, and unusual on laptops | 03:45 |
| jon_y | oh, you have a laptop? | 03:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just tested that docking station's NIC disables the one in Lenovo T500 | 03:46 | |
| jon_y | I suppose a switch can do the same | 03:46 |
| jon_y | modem doesn't need to be IP addressable btw if in bridge mode | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 03:46 |
| jon_y | just level 2 is workable | 03:46 |
| jon_y | I forgot the name of the bridge protocol, it's a level below IP | 03:47 |
| jon_y | or rather, it's the same, so it does not depend on IP | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, ARP/MAC whatever | 03:47 |
| jon_y | yeah, in wireshark | 03:48 |
| jon_y | you can see it broadcast to ask for a concentrator on the segment | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt any of my switches will do that | 03:48 |
| jon_y | dumb switches do MAC level, so its good | 03:48 |
| jon_y | *MAC level routing | 03:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 only has "smart switches" ;-) | 03:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka routers | 03:49 |
| jon_y | uh, they insist on IP level routing :( | 03:49 |
| jon_y | I suppose you can plug the modem and your laptop into the same lan side ports | 03:50 |
| jon_y | so they are on the same segment | 03:50 |
| jon_y | assuming your router doesn't isolate each dhcp client | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually not | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might however be issues with local loopback | 03:50 |
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| jon_y | how so? | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, right, modem has no IP, not even public one | 03:51 |
| jon_y | right, the auth is at the MAC level | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PPPoE I guess is the buzzword | 03:52 |
| jon_y | if your modem has a web configure page, it'll no longer be accessible | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it hasn't | 03:52 |
| jon_y | just reset it to factory if you need to reach it | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 03:52 |
| jon_y | ok | 03:52 |
| jon_y | yeah, PPPoE | 03:52 |
| jon_y | awesome the N900 has a PPPoE client too | 03:53 |
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| jon_y | iirc routers also crash if you have major interference about | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually ponder to try and connect to friggin wrt54gl via WLAN and WPE or what's the name of this abomination | 03:53 |
| jon_y | 2,4GHz cordless phones | 03:53 |
| jon_y | WPE? | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this push-button pairing | 03:55 |
| jon_y | wifi protected setup? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 03:55 |
| jon_y | I just disable it, since it's known to be insecure | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do the same, just to flash ddwrt to the brick | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather like to use N900 WLAN than to diconnect my main PC from internet/192.168.1.1 router | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc if it would even work to flash firmware via WLAN | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is really soooooo :-S | 03:58 |
| jon_y | I had to use this weird setup mainly because of the dodgy router | 03:58 |
| jon_y | don't want to loose my irc/torrent connections if router needs rebooting | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all those routers are for noobs to do config from a windows-CD when unconfigured router already connected to DSL modem and PC | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and thus PC has no internet connection but pretty easy access to rouer config page | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( | 04:00 |
| jon_y | I never touch those ISP CDs | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the IP / DHCP problem remains the same | 04:00 |
| jon_y | in my setup, the PC is always on, so it stays on a fixed IP | 04:01 |
| jon_y | of course, you'll need to range limit your DHCP | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the irony: when I connect the WAN port of the router-to-config to an arbitrary port of any of my switches, it receives valid IP 192.168.1.35 from my DHCP master, but of course the router-to-config doesn't allow access to config webpage via wlan port | 04:02 |
| jon_y | ethernet lan ftw :) | 04:03 |
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| jon_y | I never trusted wlan for anything important | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WAN | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not WLAN | 04:03 |
| jon_y | ok | 04:03 |
| jon_y | > config webpage via wlan port | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, my fault | 04:04 |
| jon_y | some config page don't allow over wlan changes | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't allow access to config webpage via WAN port | 04:04 |
| jon_y | yeah, it's quite normal | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's sooooo annoying | 04:05 |
| jon_y | I've seen this issue before | 04:05 |
| jon_y | yeah, you'll need something downstream to change it | 04:05 |
| jon_y | I think the config page should have a exception page for it | 04:06 |
| jon_y | add IP exceptions | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I need a downstream PC that happily asks the dead-end-router to share a DHCP lease, so I can talk to 'my master' on 192.168.1.1 | 04:06 |
| jon_y | you can actually dumb down the router by disabling it's DHCP and plugging everything into the lan side | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since that's the most common IP addr after 127.0.0.1, of course there's NO way to keep internet connection while doing so | 04:08 |
| jon_y | I did this once for a router with a destroyed WAN port | 04:08 |
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| jon_y | struck by lightning | 04:08 |
| jon_y | iirc wrt64gl can be told to relay IP addresses and bridge WAN/LAN ports | 04:09 |
| jon_y | which might be what you're after | 04:09 |
| jon_y | *relay DHCP | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, all pretty fine, but *I can't talk to that shit brick* | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it's nailed to 192.168.1.1, the same adress my live router is using | 04:10 |
| jon_y | I'll just take it down and connect it to an un-networked PC to configure it | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly what I initially moaned about | 04:11 |
| jon_y | well, you need to do this once only | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure about that? | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I need to download further firmware, wikipages, whatnot | 04:12 |
| jon_y | yeah, just tell it to use 192.168.2.1 or tell it to relay | 04:12 |
| jon_y | hmm | 04:12 |
| jon_y | I don't normally do firmware flashing | 04:12 |
| jon_y | well, maybe you can change your DHCP config instead of the router? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I can't swap my whole network to 192.168.2.x on the fly - you know, 10 clients, not all of them I have even access to | 04:13 |
| jon_y | nope, no idea how to proceed without any disruptions | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | several have even fixed IP | 04:14 |
| jon_y | a spare PC to do configuration would be pretty nice about now | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | entries in /etc/hosts | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | still would lack internet, but yes | 04:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 inspects CF-29 for presence of RJ-45 | 04:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here we are | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I probably had preferred to work and buy a fritzbox from the earned money ;-P | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, on CF-29 I can switch between WLAN (internet) and 10BT-ethernet(config the wrt54gl) somewhat conveniently | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it wasn't that much of a hassle as I expected | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: thanks for heads-up :-) | 05:17 |
| jon_y | np | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GGon: tell me you've read _all_ of first post on http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=51486 | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a goddamn master thesis | 05:31 |
| GGon | lol | 05:47 |
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| jpinx | for the last dozen or so reboots the filesystem is being mounted read-only. How can I fix this? | 09:46 |
| jpinx | n900 maemo | 09:46 |
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| Sicelo | jpinx: am on the move.. can't help. but the issue has been discussed on tmo | 10:04 |
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| jpinx | Sicelo: thanks - I'll survive till a more convenient time ;) | 10:07 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: your fault for not using 192.168.42.x for your real network :D | 11:24 |
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| kerio | ohai Pali | 11:56 |
| kerio | Pali: have you found things in kp52pre to fix? | 11:56 |
| Pali | what to fix? | 11:59 |
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| kerio | Pali: i don't know, something to change - if you think that prerelease is going to be the same as the next release, i'll install it right away | 12:58 |
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| dhbiker_ | shit ... | 13:30 |
| dhbiker_ | noone has 5800 or X6 | 13:31 |
| dhbiker_ | i think i'm forced to do that DO NOT DO stuff :( | 13:31 |
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| kerio | which thing? | 13:45 |
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| dhbiker_ | charging the battery somehow | 13:48 |
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| kerio | well, how are you going to do that? | 13:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do bl-5js have builtin overcharge protection? | 13:54 |
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| dhbiker_ | around 5V with limited amps .. somewhere around 500-800mA | 13:56 |
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| dhbiker_ | for short time | 13:56 |
| kerio | ohohohoh | 13:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: help | 13:57 |
| dhbiker_ | lol | 13:57 |
| kerio | dhbiker_: anyway, this is what happens if you overcharge a li-ion: http://youtu.be/SMy2_qNO2Y0 | 13:58 |
| dhbiker_ | i know what happens | 13:58 |
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| kerio | dhbiker_: anyway, iirc the flatbat recovery charges a lot less than that | 14:00 |
| kerio | and you only need slightly more than that | 14:00 |
| * dhbiker_ googles if any mobile store is open today in his city | 14:01 | |
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| kerio | "excuse me, do you have a nokia 5800 that i can borrow?" | 14:02 |
| dhbiker_ | exactly | 14:02 |
| dhbiker_ | :D | 14:02 |
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| dhbiker_ | ooh one is open but long walk from here | 14:02 |
| dhbiker_ | bah | 14:02 |
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| dhbiker_ | bbl hopefully they have any compatible phone *crosses fingers* | 14:04 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Just sent an email to planet@maemo.org about a feed URL change. Dunno if it's still monitored, tho' | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, no. It goes to quim.gil@nokia.com | 14:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667 raised | 14:32 |
| povbot_ | Bug 12667: "Aggregate your blog" link points to planet@maemo.org which bounces | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: right, right, and right | 15:05 |
| kerio | right what? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, my fault, and all the other stuff | 15:05 |
| * kerio goes to look at the logs | 15:05 | |
| kerio | oh right, the subnet | 15:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, even with 80MB/s read and 74MB/s write you still have no idea whatsoever of the performances of random r/w | 15:06 |
| kerio | in fact, most of those "ultra" cards with epic sequential r/w suck *more* at random r/w | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operatornem widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable) | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] when updating to new cssu-t5.1 you *must* update operator name widget _first_, and HAM will install useless catalogs to your list that you shouldn't touch (no, alas those catalogs are not even removable) | 16:09 |
| jacekowski | no need to repeat | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I as well coul've used s/xxx/yyy/ | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't think the " <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: " prefix is really helpful here | 16:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to switch to cssu-s | 16:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, just cherrypick upgrades from cssu and otherwise stay away from it completely - "quality is of paramount importance to CSSU" PFFF | 16:17 |
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| kerio | dhbiker: how did it go? | 16:43 |
| dhbiker | nobody has it :/ | 16:45 |
| dhbiker | one friend told me that he will take his 5230 an 5800 to me.. but he's not sure if they work or not | 16:46 |
| dhbiker | so hopefully i'll have better luck with that | 16:46 |
| kerio | well, at least now DocScrutinizer05 is here and he can tell you that feeding current to the battery yourself is a bad, bad, bad idea | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm not here. I have to think about my future involvement in cssu | 16:52 |
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| qwazix | I am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdvajZJRTR4RGJWLXNKcV9xWHpfaXc6MQ | 16:56 |
| qwazix | s/application/application in nemo/ | 16:56 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: I am trying to gather some info about settings usage for mocking up how the settings application in nemo should be. If you've got five minutes please answer some questions https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFdvajZJRTR4RGJWLXNKcV9xWHpfaX... | 16:56 |
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| nzerox | hey guys, i have ssu-stable installed, is it possible to update to testing? | 17:30 |
| Pali | nzerox, yes, just click on testing icon on wiki | 17:32 |
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| nzerox | Pali: thank you | 17:32 |
| nzerox | Pali: i have the stable installed, will that cause problems | 17:36 |
| Pali | I dont think | 17:36 |
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| nzerox | i'll try it, lets see what happens, lol | 17:39 |
| nzerox | poo maemo site is running so slow! | 17:44 |
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| Ikarus | hey, silly Q, anyone remember how to refuse Ovi terms and conditions but still enable to use the phone | 18:28 |
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| Ikarus | ah, simply reboot it :) | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cherry | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~notmynokia | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ikarus: if you already ran into that requester, you're probably just one boot away from sending this cherry SMS nevertheless | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ikarus: please check wiki for cherry, and see: | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 18:49 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and package "notmynokia" | 18:49 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it sent it anyway, even though I did not agree to it | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and remove SIM until you finished all this | 18:50 |
| Ikarus | wonder if that means I can sue Nokia under EU privacy legislation | 18:50 |
| Ikarus | they have acquired private information of me without my permission | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably you can. And I'd actually love you seeing to do it | 18:50 |
| Ikarus | yeah, it's just a burn of money though | 18:50 |
| Ikarus | at best I'll get my right and my cost of the process back | 18:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be honest i think the removal of cherry is enough | 18:51 |
| kerio | you don't really need notmynokia | 18:51 |
| Ikarus | and they'll get a slap on the wrist | 18:51 |
| Ikarus | there is no legal penalty in the Netherlands other then being told "Don't do that again" | 18:52 |
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| Ikarus | well, effectively | 18:52 |
| Ikarus | now I have to go retweak my whole N900 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem | 18:52 |
| Ikarus | was without one for uh, a year or so | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey :-D | 18:52 |
| Ikarus | and every other phone felt so damned retarded | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome back to the club then! | 18:53 |
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| kerio | =D | 18:53 |
| Ikarus | even faster more modern phones | 18:53 |
| kerio | Ikarus: install CSSU | 18:53 |
| kerio | and then cssu-thumb! | 18:53 |
| Ikarus | kerio: planning to | 18:53 |
| Ikarus | but first I need to restore my backups and make it feel like home again | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: while CSSU-Stable is actually recommended for everybody now (I wonder how long that will hold true), you should refrain from suggesting to indicriminately install cssu-thumb or even cssu-t | 18:54 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer05: actually I was planning on trying cssu-thumb | 18:54 |
| Ikarus | I know quite well what I am doing | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no objections | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you know what you're doing, and keep BM backups ;-D | 18:55 |
| Ikarus | but yes, it is not for all at the moment | 18:55 |
| Ikarus | and yes | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now cssu-thumb is kinda... messed up | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | temprarily | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon is working hard to sort things out | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | yep, everything but -mp think ig uploaded, I am installing the stuff on my -devel device to see if it will survive the reboot :D | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:57 |
| Ikarus | I wonder if Nokia included any of the circuitry to use the in wire control on their headphones on the N900 | 19:00 |
| Ikarus | btw, any recommendations on mediaplayers, webbrowsers, etc with respect to the original applications and what got developed by the community to improve over it | 19:03 |
| kerio | Ikarus: openmediaplayer over mediaplayer | 19:03 |
| kerio | and there's a way to make everything open OMP instead of the default | 19:03 |
| kerio | (it still uses mafw/gstreamer and tracker) | 19:03 |
| Ikarus | oh and what is the state of calendar syncing ? | 19:08 |
| kerio | idk, i use isync | 19:08 |
| Ikarus | heh, I'm trying to got to sync to ics files and possibly caldav server, without using Google | 19:09 |
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| Ikarus | hrm, maemo.org is deadslow here | 19:14 |
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| qwazix | maemo.org is probably down | 19:17 |
| Ikarus | hmmm, openmediaplayer still doesn't allow for aspect ratio changes :( | 19:17 |
| Ikarus | which is annoying as alot of videos I stream have a badly encoded aspect ratio | 19:17 |
| Ikarus | guess I should create a little patch so it can optionally shove the aspect ratio fixer gstreamer plugin in | 19:18 |
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| Ikarus | and the same for subtitles | 19:18 |
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| kerio | Ikarus: aren't those cpu-only? | 19:20 |
| Ikarus | kerio: yes, which is slightly inefficient, but so much easier then trying to do multiple things on the DSP | 19:21 |
| kerio | well, i suppose that a linear transformation isn't *that* expensive | 19:22 |
| qwazix | Ikarus, there's a package for subtitle support for regular media player, Idk if it works on omp | 19:23 |
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| Ikarus | hmmm | 19:24 |
| Ikarus | kerio: actually you can also do it at a different point in the pipeline | 19:24 |
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| Ikarus | by manipulating the X11 Xv buffer, which is accelerated on the GPU | 19:25 |
| Ikarus | and that comes at almost no cost | 19:25 |
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| dhbiker | kerio: seems like luck is with me... i didnt even know that my mother has C3 which has exactly the same battery xD | 20:20 |
| kerio | yay =D | 20:20 |
| dhbiker | at least something | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: \o/ | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dhbiker: snatch away her battery then! ;-P | 20:41 |
| dhbiker | ly my thought :D | 20:41 |
| dhbiker | exactly* | 20:41 |
| kerio | nah, charge yours | 20:42 |
| dhbiker | she has it for 4 months | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip: mark one of both | 20:42 |
| dhbiker | i always do that DocScrutinizer05 ;) | 20:42 |
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| fredrinLap | running thumb update script... | 21:47 |
| kerio | fredrinLap: please report success and/or failure in #maemo-ssu | 21:49 |
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| pavi | Whats wrong with maemo.org website ? The CSS is not getting loaded ! Is it my specific issue or everyone else is facing the same? | 23:26 |
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| kerio | pavi: it's Elop's fault | 23:26 |
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| pavi | kerio, oops the server infrastructure is taken down reently by nokia ? | 23:30 |
| pavi | as promised :( | 23:30 |
| kerio | hahaha | 23:30 |
| kerio | no, it's not | 23:30 |
| pavi | ahh not yet ! | 23:31 |
| pavi | a small noob question , I have Qt SDK installed , if I make a QML app . How to get it working on maemo without qml viewer as a native one , do I defnitely need scratch box? | 23:33 |
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| pavi | I am talking of maemo in n900 | 23:34 |
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