IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-01-15

Firzen|2woglinde: sorry sure i can00:00
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woglindeand if they didnt got installed00:01
woglindefor what ever reason the error later is explained00:02
Firzen|2woglinde: creating tree of dependencies ..  reading state informations .. scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already up to date (all packages on this lines are up to date)00:02
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woglindeah okay00:02
woglindetry a clean install00:02
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woglinderead Un-installation00:03
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woglindeon the same side00:03
woglindeand try again after doing the steps there00:03
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Firzen|2woglinde: for this reason..00:03
Firzen|2E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable.00:03
Firzen|2E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry.00:03
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woglindeit some thinks scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already installed00:04
woglinde+how00:04
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woglindesame for ratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 which contains the cross-compilers00:04
Firzen|2woglinde: hmm and what you want to know abou these packages?00:05
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woglindedeinstall them00:07
woglinderead what I suggested00:07
woglindeits on the same page00:07
Firzen|2woglinde: ok00:07
Firzen|2woglinde: wow 1368MiB will be freed :D00:08
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mikki-kunFirzen|2: once i did a cleanup of a windows-machine... that was 10GB...00:08
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sivang2DocScrutinizer51: hello00:37
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Firzen|2woglinde: omg installation of scratchbox was successful!00:43
woglindelol00:44
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Firzen|2woglinde: BUT.. :D00:45
mikki-kunhm, does here anybody know if the ipv6 utilized of the n900 is a "secure ip" which get's randomly generated?00:45
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Firzen|2You now have Scratchbox 1.0.14 'apophis' release installed.00:45
Firzen|200:45
Firzen|2Scratchbox cannot be run as user root. Instead, use your normal login00:45
Firzen|2user account. Add additional scratchbox users and sandboxes by running00:45
Firzen|2the installer again (outside scratchbox with root permissions):00:45
Firzen|200:45
Firzen|2        # sh maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u USER00:45
Firzen|2woglinde: I don't understand these instructions00:45
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Firzen|2woglinde: so was installation successful or not? :D  and what I should do? run it under root or not??00:46
perolsenmikki-kun: You mean the "fe80" link-local address?00:47
sid_onare you root? you have to /scratchbox/login as user00:47
mikki-kuninet6 addr shown in ifconfig wlan000:48
woglindefirzen logout and in00:48
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woglindeand use /scratchbox/login00:48
woglindethan you should be in the fremantle_arm target00:48
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perolsenmikki-kun: I guess the answer lies inside the linux kernel source code00:48
Firzen|2woglinde: so I now have to relog?00:48
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mikki-kunbut no, doesn't seem so :(00:49
perolsenhttp://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37/net/ipv6/addrconf.c00:49
sid_onFirzen|2: logout; login; so group changes takes affect00:49
Firzen|2sid_on: ok00:50
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DocScrutinizersivang: hi!00:53
mikki-kunperolsen: do you maybe have that in short? :) x) 4k lines is a bit huge00:53
Firzenok, i am logged in scratchbox00:53
perolsenmikki-kun: CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY seems like the right option00:53
perolsenhttp://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/IPV6_PRIVACY.html00:53
perolsenecho 2 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr00:53
woglindefirzen than you are done00:53
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mikki-kunLAWL XD i just ended by by randomly scrolling Ö.ö00:53
woglindefirzen if you dont need debhelper700:53
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mikki-kunthanks perolsen :)00:54
perolsen0 problemos00:54
Firzenwoglinde: no I am not i think :D  I don't know how to correctly set target in sb1 ..  i executed sb-menu and now i am lost :D00:54
mikki-kuni think there was a way to add that to the starter scripts...00:55
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woglindefirzen normaly you dont need sb-menu00:55
mikki-kunwas it into rcS.d or rc6.d in etc?00:55
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sid_onFirzen: did you install sdk?00:56
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Firzensid_on: no00:56
woglindesid_on he did00:56
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Firzenno i just only installed sb100:56
woglindefirzen ah okay00:57
woglindethan run the other script00:57
Firzenwoglinde: yy00:58
Firzenwoglinde: and it is here :D00:58
Firzen....00:58
Firzen...00:58
Firzen00:58
FirzenSetting DISPLAY...00:58
FirzenSetting installation environment...00:58
FirzenAdded debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.00:58
Firzen00:58
Firzen00:58
FirzenError opening terminal: xterm.00:58
woglinde*sigh*00:59
woglinderead the wiki00:59
woglindeits mentioned there00:59
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Firzenwoglinde: wow thx it works01:00
woglindeo.O01:01
Firzen:D01:01
woglindesend me some czech beer01:01
Firzenwoglinde: :D I should01:01
hardakerOk, I give up.  How do you put a screenshot into the extras package for something?01:01
woglindehardaker what?01:02
Firzenwoglinde: in our city we have own brewery01:02
hardakerwell, when a package gets to extras it appears in the, um, extras downloads on the maemo web page.01:02
hardakersomewhere there is a way to set the "screenshot" part of it.01:02
hardakerbut I don't know where.01:02
woglindehardaker you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo-specific_fields?01:02
hardakerhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/lookup/01:02
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woglindewho is using that rather than the build in package manager?01:03
hardaker(not the icon)01:03
hardakerso no, the above web page only lists package fields for icons, etc.01:03
hardakerit doesn't list a screenshot (where the "?" picture is in the lookup example above)01:04
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BluesLeeping MohammadAG01:11
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MohammadAGBluesLee, pong01:31
Firzenwoglinde: are you still here? :-)01:32
woglindeyes01:33
Firzenwoglinde: :-)  i have problem :D01:33
Firzenwoglinde: I added deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries into /etc/apt/sources.list in sb101:34
Firzenand..01:35
Firzen[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update01:35
FirzenE: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)01:35
Firzen01:35
Firzenwoglinde: i don't see any mistake on my progress01:35
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MrBawbyay, got bluetooth pan networking working.  It sets up sharing the 3g connection automatically01:36
Firzenwoglinde: here is my sources.list in sb: http://pastebin.com/EhbYsch001:37
mikki-kunMohammadAG: hi there :) do you maybe have somewhere in your .debs a deb floating around which has the modified hildon desktop, indluding the taskswitcher-thingy? :)01:37
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mikki-kuni was looking at the files you had online bud couldn't see from the name which one was the correct one :/01:37
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MohammadAGtaskswitcher thingy?01:41
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb01:41
MohammadAGall mhds have it01:42
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woglindeFirzen dont post your binary token01:45
woglindenext time01:45
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ieatlintyeah, otherwise people who don't have n900s can go steal the nokia proprietary firmware01:48
ieatlintwhich is a travesty01:48
Firzenwoglinde: ok01:49
Firzenwoglinde: and yes i installed SDK01:49
alteregoAnd, though unlikely, it might be possible to find out your IMEI :P01:49
SpeedEvilAnd there are known exploits that given only the IMEI, can steal your soul.01:50
ieatlintyes, with your IMEI, we could hack into your mobile carrier and track you01:50
alteregoExactly.01:50
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ieatlinti need to write an application that just runs this and sends me the number http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_IMSI01:51
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sid_onhmmm i think i am supid; can someone please look at this bash script01:53
sid_onhttp://pastebin.com/HKfq0e4Q01:53
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woglindesid_on while TRUE should work too01:54
woglindesleep 1 s?01:54
woglindesleep 101:54
woglindeyou should use01:54
sid_on:-) ok; but i am to silly to write a "if" :-)01:54
MrBawbsid_on: line 9, "<" needs to be "-lt"01:55
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GAN900I love iOS's security.01:55
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GAN900Random password prompts with no indications as to what you're authorizing.01:56
sid_onMrBawb: same result01:56
sid_onMrBawb; no; ./loop.sh: line 9: [[0: command not found01:56
MrBawbif [ "$i" -lt "10" ]01:57
MrBawbmind the spaces01:57
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sid_onMrBawb: big thanks01:58
sid_onif it is final it should govern backlight automatically02:00
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sid_onwhen i run it once 10sec; will it consume much power?02:00
mikki-kunMohammadAG: thanks :) (sorry, i was just correcting some maths for a friend of mine - and my internet died as you might have noticed)02:00
sid_on*electrical02:01
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JZAhi today I recieved a Maemo 5 notification update, which seems new02:03
JZAit now has a description that I can download it over wlan02:03
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MohammadAGalterego, got that QTimeLine patch you sent me once?02:04
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alteregoMohammadAG: nope :P02:05
JZAok this is a bit confusing02:05
JZAthe description of the package says: "Download now via WLAN to get the latest Maemo 5 fixes, better support for apps... "02:05
JZAbut when I select it it ask me to connect to the computer via USB02:05
MohammadAGalterego, naw02:06
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JZAnow, I use linux and have had issues updating the n900 with the RX..bin package for some reason.02:06
alteregoI'm not even sure what I was patching :)02:06
MohammadAGalterego, wouldn't Qt Animation Framework be better?02:06
MohammadAGlol the mediabar02:06
MohammadAGI recall you had it under some research directory02:06
alteregoQTimeLine is part of the Qt Animation framework.02:06
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MohammadAGoh?02:06
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alteregoAnd I used it because QPropertyAnimation didn't work.02:07
alteregofwir02:07
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MohammadAGhttp://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/ <-- 404 lol02:07
alteregoYou're going to hate me ..02:07
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alteregoI deleted that literally a couple of hour ago ..02:07
MohammadAGI hate you02:07
MohammadAG:P02:07
alterego:)02:07
MohammadAGdo you recall the extension?02:08
alteregoFor what?02:08
alterego.cpp ? :P02:08
MohammadAGthe patch02:08
MohammadAGoh it was a .cpp?02:08
MohammadAGcrap, thought it was a .patch02:08
alteregoYeah, I didn't do a .patch02:08
MohammadAG<3 my lazy ways02:09
MohammadAGNokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# ls *.cpp02:09
MohammadAGwidget.cpp02:09
DocScrutinizer51~spank MohammadAG - just because02:09
* infobot bends MohammadAG - just because over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG - just because's pasty white buttocks.02:09
MohammadAGyep, that's the one02:10
JZAcan I get any support on how to update my N900?02:10
MohammadAGalterego, ty :P02:10
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MohammadAGclick on the update, click update02:10
JZAor is this a developer channel and I should ask somewhere else?02:10
alteregoHeh02:10
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alteregoJZA: how do yo uwant to update? flashing or OTA?02:12
JZAalterego: well I thought I could get OTA now. Flashing doesn't seem to work with mandriva.02:12
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jonwilCan anyone tell me how to02:16
jonwiloops02:16
jonwilwrong window02:16
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JZAalterego: any recomendation?02:18
DocScrutinizerflashing should work with most if not all linux boxes02:18
alteregoJZA: if it's not working on Mandriva you're doing something wrong.02:19
alteregoWhat error are you getting?02:19
DocScrutinizergetting OTA to work usually is feasible as well02:19
alteregoAnd have you backed everything up and prepared to reflash your phone?02:19
JZAalterego: yes, basically is a usb message02:19
DocScrutinizerJZA: and no, this isn't a devel channel. Questions about updating perfectly fine here02:20
alteregoJZA: are you running as root?02:20
JZAwhen I restart with the 'o' button and wait it to become idle, the message shows still waiting ont he device.02:20
JZAalterego: yeah02:20
alteregoYou don't need to restart with 'o'02:20
alteregoTurn off your device.02:20
DocScrutinizerJZA: you know:02:21
DocScrutinizer~flash02:21
infoboti guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware02:21
alteregoMake sure it's not plugged in, start flasher, then (phone switched off) plug it in to the usb, and wait.02:21
JZAalterego: I did02:21
JZAit just charge02:21
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DocScrutinizerJZA: check "troubleshooting" in obove URL02:22
DocScrutinizeravove*02:22
JZAI did02:22
JZAthats why I am asking for OTA02:22
DocScrutinizeryou modprobe -r cdc_phonet ?`02:22
JZADocScrutinizer: what you mean?02:22
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JZAI have no idea how to update OTA02:23
JZAexcept through the app manager02:23
DocScrutinizerIf you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, make sure you run the flasher with sudo. If this does not fix the problem, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet".02:23
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting02:23
JZAso how can I update OTA?02:24
DocScrutinizerJZA: ota is only via Hildon App Manager02:24
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* alterego contemplates how he can get icons from mimetypes02:24
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JZADocScrutinizer: so02:24
JZAwhat's the steps for that?02:25
JZAI tried the app manager but just get me a message to plug it to the PC with the Nokia Updater02:25
JZAbut that beats the porpouse of OTA02:25
DocScrutinizerFIRST: read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely*02:25
alteregoAnd mimetpes from extensions02:25
DocScrutinizerJZA: yes, that's a known issue, quite frequently02:25
DocScrutinizerread http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely*02:26
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DocScrutinizerit has links to pages how to cope with that and put OTA to work02:26
JZADocScrutinizer: I dont see much info of OTA there.02:26
JZAok02:26
MohammadAGalterego, why do you call show() and hide()?02:26
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update02:26
MohammadAG    this->hide();02:27
MohammadAG    this->move(this->x(), frame);02:27
MohammadAG    this->show();02:27
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alteregoMohammadAG: probably because it's fucked with the compositor and that's all I could do to get it to work.02:27
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting02:28
DocScrutinizerstill aplies02:28
trip0why are you calling 'this' all the time? is this python?02:28
MohammadAGno02:29
trip0c++02:29
trip0?02:29
MohammadAGyes02:30
MohammadAGpython doesn't use ;02:30
trip0good point02:30
MohammadAGor ->02:30
DocScrutinizer>>With the brand new PR1.1 software update recently rolled out, some users experienced problems which, in most cases, led them to get a nice message from the Application Manager telling them that they would need to install the update by flashing the device with the NSU/flasher utilities (a clear symptom of this is that you get to a dialog with a "Create backup" button only, but not a "Continue" button at all).02:30
MohammadAGif I'm not mistaken02:30
alteregotrip0: python also commonly uses "self" not "this" ..02:30
trip0oh yeah02:30
trip0heh02:30
alteregoPython can use ';' though02:30
MohammadAGalterego, I hate you :P02:30
DocScrutinizerJZA: you got this ^^^ ?02:31
alteregoMohammadAG: why?02:31
alteregoWhat did I do now?02:31
DocScrutinizer(the links and quotes)02:31
MohammadAGyou pointed out that I'm wrong :P02:31
alterego:)02:32
DocScrutinizeryou're always wrong, no?02:32
DocScrutinizer:-P02:32
DocScrutinizerI mean, look where you're living02:32
DocScrutinizernm j/k02:32
JZADocScrutinizer: yeah is something like that02:32
MohammadAGOi, watch it, you and Israel had some war :P02:32
alteregoSo, anyone know how I get the mimetype and icon info for a file?02:33
MohammadAGmight have been hitler's times, but still02:33
MohammadAGfile?02:33
alteregoBonus points if you can tell me how to get an images thumbnail from tracker.02:33
MohammadAGand why mimetypes?02:33
MohammadAGthere's QDesktopServices if you want to open something02:33
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: when Hitler was alive, there's been no such thing like Israel02:33
MohammadAGthere were jews though02:34
MohammadAGnaw02:34
DocScrutinizerI'd not call THAT a war02:34
MohammadAGI was wrong02:34
alteregoMohammadAG: well, I still need icons ..02:34
MohammadAGalterego, scan tracker?02:34
JZAok is late, and it seems that there is no easy way out. I'll try it tomorrow.02:35
alteregoI'll deal with tracker later02:35
MohammadAGthen call the app yo dawg, bonus points if you figure out why02:35
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alteregoFor now I just want file type icons02:35
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alteregoOr I stick with Qt defaults: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/Screenshot-20110114-200009.png02:36
MohammadAGalterego, libtrackerclient0-dev02:36
MohammadAGeww02:36
alteregoMohammadAG: not interested in tracker at the moment.02:36
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alteregoI don't need tracker to get icons for filetypes ..02:36
MohammadAGat least use the hillon icons!02:36
MohammadAGhildon*02:36
alteregoThat's what I'm trying to fucking do!02:36
MohammadAGoh btw02:36
MohammadAGfilebox does it02:36
MohammadAGI think02:36
DocScrutinizeralterego: Stereo MCs (?) "tell that pile a shit I'll deal with him later"02:36
alteregoIs filebox Qt?02:36
MohammadAGyes02:37
MohammadAGin fact, I'd pretty much prefer you wrap that into your app02:37
MohammadAGit has delegates and all that stuff done for you02:37
alteregoI don't care what you'd prefer :P02:37
* MohammadAG takes out his knife02:37
MohammadAGalterego, don't make me google "The Pub"02:37
alteregoHeh02:38
MohammadAGand yeah, filebox shows a debian icon for deb files02:38
MohammadAG.JPG for jpgs etc02:38
alterego-_-02:38
DocScrutinizerchem|st: thanks for the shugar cubes :-D02:38
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MohammadAGalterego, http://i55.tinypic.com/1hwnk8.jpg02:40
DocScrutinizerheard that's some magic with mimetypes ;-P02:40
* MohammadAG tests02:41
alteregoThat would be great, if I was implementing a filemanager ..02:41
alteregoNot to mention his delegate is ugly as shit.02:41
DocScrutinizerLOL02:41
alteregoHis source is disgusting too.02:41
MohammadAGdidn't see the source :P02:42
alteregowhy is he distributing ui_* sourcefiles -_-02:42
MohammadAGexcept for the share dialog02:42
MohammadAGfail make clean :P02:42
alteregoAnd fail at packaging.02:42
MohammadAGI find qmake; make distclean the best cleaner02:42
DocScrutinizerrotfl - exactly what my boss told me about my first concoction02:42
MohammadAGsomeone's cranky tonight :P02:43
alteregoHe has a config file which maps extensions to icon names02:43
alteregoThen he ships his own icons.02:43
DocScrutinizerMEEEE??02:43
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DocScrutinizerlol, no way02:43
MohammadAGno02:43
DocScrutinizeraaah02:43
alteregoYup02:43
MohammadAGalterego, lies, those are ubuntu's!02:43
MohammadAG:P02:43
* MohammadAG recognizes humanity theme02:43
DocScrutinizeralterego always a bit more grumpy than me02:43
alteregoHe also has a config file for special directories.02:43
MohammadAGalways? lol02:44
alterego:)02:44
woglindehm no squeeze for sb2 I guess02:44
MohammadAGwell, if it makes you feel better02:44
MohammadAGI don't hate you anymore02:44
MohammadAG:p02:44
MohammadAGsb2 is meh, legacy ftw!02:45
DocScrutinizerscreambox?02:45
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woglindetse tse02:45
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woglindego compile navit for yourself02:46
woglindehm I could update the chroot02:46
woglindehaha02:46
woglindesb2 2.2 was released 31.1202:47
javispedrowoglinde: sb2 should be fully capable of using your host's tools02:47
alteregoGod, and he's using globals ..02:47
alteregoLoads of globals ..02:47
woglindeand is not using qml02:48
woglindethats hardest02:48
alteregoO_o02:48
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MohammadAGalterego, I like the looks of QML02:48
MohammadAG(in cuteTube)02:48
MohammadAGhe has some coverflow-like search results02:49
alteregom'hm02:49
DocScrutinizerI like the look of pauley perette02:49
alteregoSo I say, "Use QML, it can do what you want really easily" and you say "It's too webby 2.0 for meee"02:49
piggzwhats your guys dev environment.....im using a virual machine running scratchbox...and transferring files via git, and wondering if its optimal ;)02:50
alteregoBut you see some shiny example, and now you like QML ..02:50
alteregoTypical ..02:50
alteregopiggz: not with git :P02:50
MohammadAGalterego, you didn't see what I said :P02:50
alteregoI transfer files with scp02:50
MohammadAGI like the looks of it, not the code :P02:50
woglindetransferring via git?02:50
DocScrutinizerexcept this one - OMG :-o http://www.thenewtattoos.com/celeb/pauleyp6.jpg02:50
woglindewtf02:50
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piggzalterego: i was using sftp, but it became a pita when i needed to commit, trying to keep both machines in sync :)02:51
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woglinde?02:51
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: do you know how Maemo handles filetypes?02:51
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jonwilIs there a way that I can copy the files (i.e. /bin, /lib etc) from my N900 so I have a backup of the current contents on the N900 in case I screw something up messing with it?02:52
DocScrutinizeralterego: alas not, otherwise I'd have dropped you a note02:52
alteregoI thought it had something to do with gconf ..02:52
woglindejonwil?02:52
MohammadAGalterego, .desktop files afaik02:52
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MohammadAGI had a play with them and xarchiver02:52
woglindejonwil maemo5 is not android02:52
MohammadAGthat's for opening files actually, nevermind02:52
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jonwilI know that02:53
alteregoActually, that's for hildon-desktop to associate filetypes and apps02:53
MohammadAGalterego, ping mece when he's on02:53
DocScrutinizerjonwil: look into backup-menu V202:53
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MohammadAGit's related to lib-fm or whatever02:53
DocScrutinizeralso learn to SFTP02:53
MohammadAGyes02:54
MohammadAGii  libhildonfm2                         1:2.28.21+0m5                        Hildon file management libraries.02:54
alteregoLame, I'm not going that deep.02:54
alteregoWell, actually I might.02:54
javispedro"filetypes"?02:54
MohammadAGyou will, muhahaha02:54
javispedrohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/MIME_type_mapping02:55
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "URL handlers? NAH!"02:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro to the rescue \o/02:55
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woglindedoc? the developer is a must for every developer02:56
woglindeups + guide02:56
javispedromore like, the old developer guide to the rescue (the new one being a PDF in FN that noone downloaded...)02:56
DocScrutinizeryeah, I know. But I dunno that particular branch of wiki in all gory detail :-)02:56
alteregoTo be honest, that's no help.02:57
DocScrutinizerhooray for pdf docs :-S02:57
alteregoAnd I already read it :P02:57
woglinderead it again02:57
alteregoWhy?02:57
woglindeto be sure02:58
alteregoI'll pass thanks.02:58
DocScrutinizeralterego: ?? >>When the hildon_mime_open_* API is called with a URI, GnomeVFS is used to get the MIME type02:59
javispedrowhat do you want to do?02:59
woglindeurgs gnomevfs02:59
woglindethat should die02:59
alteregoI want to get an hildon theme icon for a filetype02:59
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: he wants to determine which icon to use for a file02:59
DocScrutinizerwoglinde: ""read it again"" ;-D03:00
javispedrothen he wants this: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/libhildonmime/libhildonmime/hildon-mime.h03:00
javispedro(or /usr/include/hildon-mime.h iirc)03:00
DocScrutinizerjavispedro for president - ooops you are, aren't you?03:01
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alteregoWoof03:01
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alteregoI can't be bothered to write a gnomevfs Qt wrapper :/03:01
alteregoAnd then add bs hildon fm support :/03:01
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* alterego contemplates the hackish way.03:01
* DocScrutinizer kicks alterego03:01
woglindelol03:01
alteregoMeeGo is EOL ffs03:01
javispedroDocScrutinizer: no, for some reason I kept the cloak...03:02
woglindethats the donkey-way03:02
alteregoNo one is going to care if I don't do it the "proper" way.03:02
alteregofilebox guy did it an ass retarded way.03:02
woglindeI will hate you03:02
DocScrutinizerhehehe03:02
DocScrutinizerchan is fun today03:03
woglindeits friday03:03
alteregotbh, I would do it the proper, nice, decent way, if I thought it'd be useful for anyone else in the future. But it realy isn't ..03:03
woglindein some parts of the earth03:03
DocScrutinizeryeah FRIIIDAY03:03
alteregoSaturday for me now ..03:03
alteregoJust realised it's 1am03:03
* javispedro know wants to know which binary is touching the alsa mixer when the headphones are plugged in03:03
DocScrutinizer2011-01-15 02:0303:03
javispedro*now wants to know.03:04
MohammadAGjavispedro, could be the volume status menu03:04
woglindestrace it?03:04
MohammadAGthat thing is a sneaky bastard03:04
MohammadAGit does lots of things03:04
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: believe me you don't want to know :-P03:04
alteregoI thought it was mce ..03:05
DocScrutinizernah03:05
jonwilsounds like there are a few "sneaky bastards" on the N900, most of which are closed source...03:05
DocScrutinizerjonwil: :nod:03:05
javispedrona, doesn't seem to be volume_status_menu_item.so03:05
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alteregojonwil: well, would you rather a shit tonne of sneaky little bastards?03:05
javispedroit's also 24KiB only03:05
alteregoOver a few slightly larger sneaky bastards.03:05
DocScrutinizeralterego: you sneaky bastard03:06
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you're aware bme is a PA plugin?03:07
nox-is cutetube supposed to be currently working03:07
nox-?03:07
DocScrutinizerlsof|grep bme X-P03:07
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I think that's for battery warning ;)03:08
MohammadAGnox-, supposedly, it got too bloated so I stopped using it03:08
alteregoNot anything too serious03:08
DocScrutinizeralterego: prolly03:08
nox-hmmk i clicked on play and now its busy for a few minutes already...03:08
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javispedroaaah -- alsaped probably03:08
DocScrutinizeryes03:08
nox-(without playing anything yet)03:09
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I always wondered why it's ALSAped, not PAped03:09
MohammadAGlmao I fucked something up03:09
MohammadAGnow the mediabar goes like swoosh from right to left03:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: damn, you *must* have a lot of them (a*'s)03:10
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DocScrutinizernow for the sugarcubes (let's see what N900 thinks this is, when plugged to the AV)03:11
DocScrutinizermmph, headphone. Well what else03:12
javispedroalsaped is currently on #maemo (10h 51m)03:12
DocScrutinizerheadset actually03:12
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: o.O ?!?03:13
javispedroold joke: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-devel-irclog/%23maemo-devel.2010-09-18.log.html#t2010-09-18T19:24:3903:13
* DocScrutinizer curses and once again swaps # and %2303:14
DocScrutinizermgedmin: FIX THAT!!03:14
DocScrutinizer(yeah I know it's basically a bug somewhere in KDE/konqui)03:14
DocScrutinizeror even Kontact03:15
DocScrutinizererr Konversation03:15
DocScrutinizer~seen MNZ03:16
* MohammadAG wants mono music through the earpiece03:16
MohammadAGwho's kind enough to do that?03:16
infobotmnz <~mnzaki@41.233.159.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 101d 5h 44m 18s ago, saying: 'I'm not sure which parts are closed'.03:16
MohammadAGwow, it's been 101d03:16
DocScrutinizer:'(03:16
javispedrowell, real life calls sometimes03:16
MohammadAGI wonder how large you 3 month call's bill was03:17
MohammadAGyou were gone the whole summer :P03:17
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I don't pay when I get called. I never call RL03:17
javispedrobasically alsaped is now made redundant as the pulseaudio monster gained that functionality03:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, call blocker?03:18
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MohammadAGah03:18
MohammadAGxP03:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nope, here inbound calls are free03:18
alteregoMeh, I think I'll just leave default qt icons for now03:19
alteregoSee how it looks on MeeGo03:19
DocScrutinizernah, I'm feeling sick even without doing that03:19
MohammadAGMeeGo doesn't style Qt apps :P03:19
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MohammadAGin displays them in that old Gtk style, the one that looks like a brownish win 9503:20
alteregoYou mean, Qt doesn't yet style for MeeGo :P03:20
MohammadAGMeeGo should provide themes03:20
MohammadAGregardless of what I mean, it'll look crappy :P03:21
alteregoYou obviously don't understand how these things work03:21
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alteregoQt needs a style engine for MeeGo, so it can look and feel like MTF apps.03:21
MohammadAGQGtkStyle provides a theme, widgets get painted, largely simplified :P03:21
MohammadAG(Maemo)03:21
alteregoMeeGo isn't Gtk03:21
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MohammadAGI know03:21
alteregoRight then, shuddup :P03:21
MohammadAGMeeGo Touch Framework's meh :p03:22
* MohammadAG puts alterego to bed03:22
alteregoWhat has this got to do with MTF?03:22
MohammadAGYou brought it up, I felt like complaining :)03:22
DocScrutinizerto me it seems MeEgo is trying to mimick whyPhone/Andridiot (and can't decide which one), while they don't realize that's a lost race and they always are the miserable 2nd at best. I'd love to learn they got the catch and create something *unique* more like a good desktop downsized and made fingerfriendly, rather than copying shit parts from those luser OS's03:22
alteregoIt's just the theme that we're talking about, and which Qt is lacking engines for.03:22
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, if you can't decide, mimic both03:23
alteregoDocScrutinizer: good thing about Meego is, we can do that ourselves.03:23
DocScrutinizerthat seems to be what meego is after03:23
MohammadAGand so can every company03:23
MohammadAG= shitload of UIs03:23
alteregoOne we have a stable, fully working base. We can build our own UXs03:23
MohammadAGsame as android with sense/stock/whatever03:23
alteregoGive a shit03:23
alteregoWho cares what other people are doing?03:23
alteregoExcept to maybe get ideas and inspiration ..03:24
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> = shitload of UIs03:24
alteregoThat's not true though03:24
MohammadAGhopefully03:24
DocScrutinizeralterego: and - especially - learn how to do it - NOT03:24
alteregoA company has to maintain a certain amount of stack and functionality to be called "MeeGo" otherwise it has to be called something else.03:24
alteregoMeeGo is about keeping coherency, something that even Android is losing.03:24
alteregoAnyway, if you're unhappy with the UX, do it better.03:25
DocScrutinizerI'd be happy to find I can have a non-MickeyMouse "desktop" on meego, and nevertheless Nokia closed source dialer will work03:26
alteregoIt's not a closed source dialer ..03:26
alteregoEverything is open in MeeGo (well, except the obvious sgx, bme, gps ...)03:26
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's no dialer at all so far03:26
javispedro:)03:26
alteregoYes there is03:26
MohammadAGdialer works DocScrutinizer03:26
alteregoI can make phone calls using MeeGo ..03:27
MohammadAGit even rings03:27
DocScrutinizerOMG03:27
MohammadAGand makes private calls public due to missing audio routing03:27
DocScrutinizerthere's still hope then03:27
alteregoYou can even talk. Though policies are not finished so only through loud speaker.03:27
javispedroDocScrutinizer: sorry to kill your hope but we don't know what dialer Nokia will ship.03:27
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MohammadAGjavispedro, Nokia won't ship any - at least for the N90003:27
DocScrutinizerthought as much :-P03:27
alteregoI don't give a crap what Nokia ship as long as I can have an open MeeGo on my devices.03:28
* javispedro sighs03:28
javispedroI know this music.03:28
woglindehaha good I can fake the sb2 catalouge03:28
woglindeor corrrect03:28
jonwilWhats happening to the telephony libraries in MeeGo? I know in Maemo5 all the telephony and comms libraries (including modem control, routing data to 3G etc) are nokia closed binaries.03:28
MohammadAGofono03:29
bef0rdofono03:29
woglindemeegoo uses ofono03:29
* DocScrutinizer fires up recorder to get the music recorded on the mag strip of his credit card03:29
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* MohammadAG wants slide to answer in MeeGo dialer03:29
MohammadAGactually I recall I started experimenting on that, but failed to build due to missing libmeegotouch-dev03:30
alteregoWhat's so great about slide to answer?03:30
MohammadAGyou don't answer without sliding a slider03:30
MohammadAGslightly better on resistive screens03:30
jonwilHow is ofono going to work on N900 if Nokia didnt document any of the low level stuff (i.e. how the closed userspace libraries talk to the closed cell radio)?03:30
DocScrutinizerbetter usability03:30
MohammadAGbut of course, you don't give a crap since the next device is capacitive right? :P03:31
jonwilOr has that been sorted for MeeGo somehow?03:31
MohammadAGjonwil, it works with nitdroid and meego, nothing special03:31
bef0rdnokia people is working on that I believe03:31
alteregojonwil: ofono has a driver to talk to the cellmo03:31
DocScrutinizerjonwil: there's some docs about err phonet?03:31
alteregoIt's a standard Nokia cellmo03:31
alteregoAnd phonet is quite well known.03:31
alteregoIt was probably the first ofono driver03:32
DocScrutinizer(where the FSCK is my recorder app?)03:32
jonwilonly thing non-standard about it is that it doesn't do CBSMS even though many other nokias do :03:32
jonwil:(03:32
MohammadAGtbh03:32
MohammadAGI think the best thing to do is get some pandaboard and a 4" resistive screen, then get all the components needed and build your own phone03:32
alteregojonwil: you know ofono doesn't do CBSMS?03:32
MohammadAGyou'll end up with what you want03:33
jonwilheh :P03:33
jonwilsounds like there are no closed-source bits that will prevent MeeGo running on the N900 then03:33
alteregoMohammadAG: if you want something the size of a house sure :P03:33
jonwilas in all the bits that are closed will also work with MeeGo03:33
MohammadAGThread of the year! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6834603:33
alteregojonwil: what?03:33
alteregojonwil: everything already works with meego03:33
alteregoexcept gps, but that's being worked on.03:33
jonwilok, thats great03:33
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javispedroMohammadAG: guy is a known troll03:34
javispedroMohammadAG: and I don't mean that javispedro guy.03:35
alteregoThe N900 will have a fully working MeeGo before a vendor MeeGo handset comes out, imo03:35
alteregoHe's trololling ..03:35
DocScrutinizerare the repos down once again?03:35
MohammadAGjavispedro, trust me, I know http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=918647&postcount=403:35
MohammadAGwhat if Nokia releases the N9 two days after announcing it?03:36
alteregoHe's like a more annoying, younger abill_uk ^.^03:36
MohammadAGalterego, abill_uk is an engineer, please respect him cause he said he's one03:36
MohammadAG(what happened to that guy?)03:36
javispedroa trash management engineer.03:36
MohammadAGjavispedro, still an engineer! :p03:37
alteregoHe sort of disapeared, though I noticed he posted something not so long ago.03:37
MohammadAGthere was some other troll03:37
MohammadAGforgot his name03:37
alteregoHe seems to have just given up and decided to get on with his life ;)03:37
alteregoHe was convinced I was stalking him at some point.03:37
* MohammadAG googles for abill_uk android forums03:37
MohammadAGweren't you?03:38
MohammadAGyou can admit it, the channel isn't logged - much03:38
javispedrodon't worry, I'll fix his Fringe application or whatever it's called.03:39
javispedrowhere's that mtd thrashing .deb package...03:39
MohammadAGI think it's closed source03:39
MohammadAGLMFAO03:39
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MohammadAGwouldn't one rm -rf \* in postinst do?03:40
MohammadAG(s///\/ intended)03:41
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DocScrutinizerWTF fring. Thought that's called skype03:44
jeckellI would like to use Yahoo Messenger and enable the webcam on my Nokia N900.  is there a program that will allow me to do this?03:44
woglindewhat?03:45
sid_onnew to maemo; after "echo 1 > bl_power" display dont go "on"03:45
sid_onin /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm03:45
alteregoAnyhow, bed time n'night03:45
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mikki-kunjavispedro: yahoo has not opened its sources for even audio on linux...03:47
sid_onok; forget it "echo "" bl_power" solve it; bool03:48
DocScrutinizerGRRRR, N900 DNS resolver fsckup03:48
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping nokia.com03:48
DocScrutinizerping: bad address 'nokia.com'03:48
mikki-kun:D03:48
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: "echo "nameserver 8.8.4.4" >> /etc/resolv.conf" <--- should resolve the problem literally :)03:49
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping google.com03:49
DocScrutinizerping: bad address 'google.com'03:49
jeckellare there any programs that allow me to take advantage of the webcam on the front of the device?03:49
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping ct.de03:49
DocScrutinizerPING ct.de (212.34.176.172): 56 data bytes03:49
jacekowskimikki-kun: i'm here03:49
mikki-kunjeckell: there is "mirrir" to it to you and skype uses it on some versions and some messengers might be using it as well03:49
mikki-kunjacekowski: hey there :)03:49
mikki-kunjeckell: sorry, it's "mirror"03:50
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: nope,  /etc/resolv.conf is suppoesed to have localhost03:50
jeckellmikki-kun: does 'mirror' allow the person i'm talking to see me?03:50
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: nameserver 8.8.4.4 helped me in resolving some of maemos repos for some time03:50
DocScrutinizermeh03:51
mikki-kunjeckell: uhhh, that's just a local app so you see yourself :/03:51
mikki-kunand on the next reconnect it is gone03:51
DocScrutinizerthere's something fucked up in resolver lib or dnsmasq or whatever03:51
mikki-kunso i didn't care and was happy google helped me03:51
jeckellmikki-kun: you said 'some messengers' ... do you know which ones that may be?03:52
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mikki-kunjeckell: and here is an "ip-cam"-like setup http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam03:52
mikki-kunjeckell: i can't say as i'd only use ot for skype... maybe gtalk has it03:53
mikki-kunjacekowski: may i ask if you found out why it ended up not-booting? :)03:53
jeckellmikki-kun: thank you for your help03:53
mikki-kunjeckell: but beware, the quality is uhhhh, f'd up...03:53
jeckellmikki-kun: i'm creating horror stories using skype.   my connection speed sucks,  and i'm trying to talk/video to my g/f (arizona to new hampshire).  i have qwest dsl and she has comcast cable.03:55
mikki-kunjeckell: kill the video, just use audio :)03:55
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: changed internet connection to GPRS and back to WLAN, now it works03:56
mikki-kunand best to use a real pc with some quality-webcam :)03:56
jeckellmikki-kun: we need the video. won't be with each other again until 2.10.1103:56
mikki-kunlol XD but that rings a couple of bells where some people reported that might help if the dns is f'd up Ö.ö03:56
mikki-kunjeckell: i know what you mean... :/03:57
mikki-kunsadly i know :/03:57
* MohammadAG grumbles03:57
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jeckellmikki-kun: if i buy a pc webcam with great quality, will that matter? doesn't it all depend upon the one with the slowest connection speed?03:57
fosstuxHi! One question about flashing the mmc on my n900: Do I have  to backup MyDocs/cities or is this content being regenerated automatically?03:58
mikki-kunjeckell: not only, audio-quality is way better for me on my netbook and video.. well, you can only use video if the other has the newest version of skype _and_ a webcam pluged in!03:58
MohammadAGyou have to back it up03:58
mikki-kunfosstux: it will eat your data from there if you do it03:59
fosstuxthanks03:59
jacekowskimikki-kun: not sure03:59
mikki-kunjacekowski: maybe we should both give it a try :)03:59
jacekowskiwhat you can try04:00
jacekowskiis replacing stuff at 81b004:00
jacekowskiwith BD E8 F0 8104:00
jacekowskiand flash it again04:00
mikki-kunok, will try :)04:00
jacekowskireplace that on clean binary04:00
jacekowskiwhat are you using to edit it?04:01
mikki-kuni am using hexedit from the gentoo repositories04:01
mikki-kunso can i delete my old files?04:01
jacekowskiyes04:02
mikki-kungood :)04:02
DocScrutinizerheh04:02
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mikki-kunso starting @ 81b0 the next 4 bytes?04:03
* DocScrutinizer installs recorder, finally04:03
mikki-kunok, done and then now trying the "second" of the two commands i issued yesterday :)04:04
DocScrutinizerhehe, my credit card sounds nice :-)04:05
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TiagoTiagohi, quick question04:06
DocScrutinizernoooooooo04:06
DocScrutinizer:-)04:06
TiagoTiagocan you watch videos on Youtube with microB with any resolution other than 240p?04:06
mikki-kunTiagoTiago: tweak your browser-settings a little04:06
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DocScrutinizerumm, never bothered about the resolution04:07
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mikki-kunafair you need to kill it's user-agent in about:config04:07
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mikki-kunTiagoTiago: but we have cuteTube04:07
mikki-kunno need anymore for flash :)04:07
TiagoTiagodoen't changing the user agent triggers the redirect loop glitch?04:07
TiagoTiagobut then there is no captions, no funny misheard speech2text, no comments etc04:08
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mikki-kunjacekowski: was "../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,210" the correct command? :)04:09
DocScrutinizerwho was asking for some MPC related stuff here? Just found cutempc04:09
mikki-kunMaemo Music Player MPC is better imo04:10
mikki-kunjacekowski: ok, it flashed now... i should unplug it, pull the battery and then just make a boot i guess :)04:10
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DocScrutinizerFFS, 3 times eSpeakTime04:11
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mikki-kunjacekowski: wuhu \o/ no nokia \o/04:18
mikki-kunjust 4 bytes ^^04:18
mikki-kunjust curious if you also got the vibrations away :)04:19
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: next step of opperation: try modifying the actual picture data, rather than just "commenting ot" the loading of the picture04:20
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: ehhhh, if i'd have a dissassembler i might do it, but reading raw-hex values?!04:20
mikki-kunthat is too much of an h4Xx0|2-job for me04:20
jacekowskiget a disassembler04:21
DocScrutinizerfor the graphic data a disassembler won't help you anyway ;-)04:21
mikki-kunhm.. wow, there even is one for gentoo :o04:21
mikki-kunwow, dead link -.-04:21
jacekowskihttp://www.hex-rays.com/idapro/idadownfreeware.htm04:22
jacekowskiit's windows version04:22
jacekowskibut works on wine04:22
mikki-kunjacekowski: on a poor netbook?04:22
mikki-kunand me not having a windows key?04:22
mikki-kunahhh, sorry >.>04:23
mikki-kunyeah, wine04:23
mikki-kunnot a vm04:23
DocScrutinizerGRRR would anybody clean up the repos? maemo_recorder0.3, recorder0.3.4, same app04:23
jacekowskithey have linux version as well04:23
jacekowskibut not for free04:23
mikki-kunlike wtf? Ö.ö04:23
jacekowski?04:23
mikki-kundo they think linux-people can read hex better than ascii?04:23
mikki-kunor utf-8?04:23
javispedrono, they think linux people will be better suited by their oss dissassemblers04:24
jacekowskithere is nothing as good as ida04:24
jacekowskithat's why it costs so much04:24
jacekowskibut it's pretty much industry standard04:24
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TiagoTiagobrb04:25
* DocScrutinizer wonders how to forward microphone to BT headset, so scratching with credit card and sugarcube can be transfered to the stereo04:26
mikki-kunjacekowski: i might give it a shot in a couple of days, i might need to do some configuration before though04:27
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DocScrutinizerfor messing up a picture raw data, some hexeditor is just fine04:28
DocScrutinizerjacekowski only needs to point you to start of data addr04:28
jacekowskiwell, format of that picture is still unknown04:29
DocScrutinizeryou can't disassemble a .bmp anyway, nor any other picture format04:29
jacekowskiit's not bmp04:30
DocScrutinizerthat's why messing around with it is just fun04:30
jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/picture1.bin04:30
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mikki-kunthis is the picture?04:32
DocScrutinizeramazingly compact04:33
jacekowskiyes04:33
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DocScrutinizerprobably reduced resolution, and runlength compressed04:33
jacekowskiwell04:34
jacekowskithat's not the one04:34
jacekowskithere are 3 pictures there04:34
mikki-kunÖ.ö04:34
DocScrutinizersure, USB icon04:34
DocScrutinizerNOKIA04:34
jacekowskihmm04:34
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DocScrutinizerand errrr what?04:34
jacekowskinope04:34
jacekowskithat's NOKIA i linked04:34
mikki-kun*tries to see inbetween the matrix*04:34
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mikki-kunaahhhh, agent smiths! run for your lives!04:35
DocScrutinizer:-D04:35
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jacekowskihmm04:35
jacekowskinow i'm not sure what's where04:35
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DocScrutinizerDAMN, now I rememeber the nightmare of last night: my USB receptacle came loose04:37
mikki-kunXD04:37
nox-:D04:37
GeneralAntilles1DocScrutinizer: warranty?04:40
DocScrutinizernot in that dream04:41
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BCMMi guess that's the geek version of those teeth-falling-out dreams04:44
* SpeedEvil ponders.04:46
mikki-kunBCMM: i thought that is more of loosing ones voice04:46
SpeedEvilI don't think I've ever had those sorts of dreams.04:46
BCMMdid you wake up with a start and feel for the USB port?04:46
SpeedEvilDreams of computer hardware being delivered, yes.04:46
BCMMSpeedEvil: which? the teeth one? it's weirdly common; nobody knows why04:47
GeneralAntilles1BCMM: had a string of those last week.04:48
GeneralAntilles1Unfun04:48
mikki-kunjacekowski: hm, is the "white background" as well a picture?04:51
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kpomanhi all04:55
kpomanjust bought a n900, tuning it a bit. anyone has a killer app for battery life ?04:55
kpomaneven if it downclocks the cpu or whatever ?04:55
mikki-kunhu?04:55
mikki-kunyou want longer battery life?04:55
kpomanyep04:55
kpomanalso want usb host mode support04:56
* mikki-kun wants as well longer battery life :)04:56
kpomanand every update available or geeky stuff :p04:56
mikki-kuni think jacekowski bought an insanely good one04:56
kpomanalready got debian image, conky, etc...04:56
mikki-kunkpoman: you will want selective updates i assume... they will eat ressources and make your boot slow and sluggish and all that stuff ;)04:57
kpomanmmm why would I want that ? I already installed faster app manager :p04:58
kpomanI want the thing fast and long battery life04:58
mikki-kunMohammadAG: btw, i still get the old error regarding proximityd :/04:58
kpomanand I want usb host mode support because I plan to develop biometric applications for it04:58
mikki-kunh-e-n is the package04:59
kpomanmikki-kun: to me ?04:59
BCMMkpoman: do you use a wireless network at home? the "killer app" is making sure power-saving is set up right on your router05:00
kpomancool, found. installing05:00
BCMMthe n900 will stay connected to the wireless, on battery, for *days* if that's working right05:00
mikki-kunkpoman: yes05:01
BCMMit's often off by default, though05:01
kpomanBCMM: i have a dd-wrt router. what do you mean with that ?05:01
SpeedEvilkpoman: the AP needs to properly support wireless powersaving.05:02
BCMMkpoman: there is a power-saving feature supported by certain routers, and by the n900. i'm trying to remember what it's called05:02
kpomanSpeedEvil: do you know if ddwrt is able to do that ?05:02
SpeedEvilkpoman: this is a fairly low-level protocol the AP and the client negotiate, to save power.05:02
kpomanSpeedEvil: and also I do use dataplan half of the day05:02
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SpeedEvilkpoman: I would imagine it's totally dependant on how much it supports your hardware.05:02
BCMMif your router supports it, the n900 can sit idle, connected to wifi, for a very long time05:02
SpeedEvilkpoman: 3G is regrettably power-using. 2G isn't nearly as bad.05:03
SpeedEvilyeah - 5 days or more05:03
kpomanI was looking at conky connexions and there are almost none of them05:03
BCMMis it WMM??05:03
mikki-kunhm, where is the correct place to place startup scripts in maemo?05:03
BCMMkpoman: yeah, WMM power save05:03
BCMMkpoman: also, 3G data kills your battery. use 2g, or disconnect from the net when you aren't using it05:04
mikki-kuncause i want a command executed, but cannot recall anymore where to put those small snippets of code05:04
BCMMkpoman: oh, and for an actual application to save battery, simple brightness applet can turn down the screen brightness05:04
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: The incorrect place is just to setup a queen-beecon to do it on desktop startup05:04
BCMMkpoman: (there is a status applet available for temporarily disabling 3g)05:05
mikki-kunnahhh, that sounds just wrong05:05
mikki-kunand i need for one of them root-support05:05
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: yeah - wrong. But easy.05:05
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: sudo05:05
mikki-kunthere must be like a file to do it, right?05:05
SpeedEvilYes - look around /etc/rc*05:06
mikki-kunwhich one of the rc's is it?05:07
mikki-kunthere are 7 different ones :/05:07
kpomanBCMM: i already put 2g here at home where I have wifi. however, is 2g able to establish tcpip and download emails ?05:08
mikki-kunis it rc6.d?05:08
kpomanand btw, is there a better imap client for this phone ?05:08
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BCMMkpoman: yeah, 2G does support internet connections - it's just really slow05:08
mikki-kunkpoman: there will be if you write a superior one :)05:08
BCMMkpoman: but if, for example, you wanted it to stay online an regularly check for new emails, it'd last longer on 2g05:09
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: IIRC rc.6 starts up most of it05:09
BCMMiirc, when you're actually using it, screen brightness is a pretty big deal05:09
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: then /etc/X11/Xsession.post is run when X comes up05:10
BCMMis WMM-PS the same thing as PSM?05:13
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kpomanBCMM: see, I used to have a blackberry and the email part is really exceptional05:20
kpomanfor example the fact to download only a part of the eail05:20
kpomanemail05:20
kpomanand download as you read it05:20
kpomanor the attachment handling, etc...05:21
kpomanI wonder if the imap protocol has the ability, on multipart emails, to download specific parts and not the whole05:21
kpomanto be able to do some kind of caching of the text part05:21
kpomanor whatever05:21
kpomanI wonder if I could manage to do some nice python app to do that05:21
kpomanlike download mail headers and txt part05:22
kpomanand download on demand other elements or I dont know05:22
kpomanbut I think that would mean to have something as middleware between the client and the server05:22
kpomanlike a cacher application on some rpc or whatever05:22
kpomanhard to say :p05:22
kpomanok, flashed to the new kernel05:26
kpomanlet me see if it boots :p05:26
kpomanlol05:26
kpomancool it booted05:26
kpomanstill anyone around ? :p05:27
SpeedEvilyes05:28
kpomanoki05:28
SpeedEvilIn principle, you could do a server-side app for that, even if imap can't.05:28
kpomanabout tuning, SpeedEvil, I installed a swappolube app ... is it safe to make it permanent ?05:29
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SpeedEvilAs far as I understand, yes05:29
DocScrutinizerprobably /etc/X11/Xsession.post is the right place for most interactive things and X related things to autostart. For the rest (system things) there's /etc/init.d/*  for the actual script and /etc/rc2.d/(S|K)* for the links according to sysV init05:29
SpeedEvilthat's just choosing different defaults05:29
kpomanSpeedEvil: ok but why arent those "safe" defaults part of the main kernel ?05:29
kpomanor distro05:29
kpomanif they are common sense and better feeling of the os ?05:30
SpeedEvilkpoman: There are many things that aren't in the stock distribution that are arguably better.05:30
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SpeedEvilIn short - maemo - the 'edges' - are unpolished.05:31
SpeedEvilPerhaps a lot more effort could go into optimisation.05:31
SpeedEvilThis is a problem in a corproate environment.05:31
SpeedEvilAs people typically get tasked 'do x'.05:31
SpeedEvilSo they do it.05:31
kpomanaha05:31
SpeedEvilThey don't go fiddling around optimising stuff they're paid for05:31
jonwilI am hoping that the community SSU (or a similar project) can deliver some of the polish Nokia hasn't05:32
kpomanSpeedEvil: do you think meego would be a good evolution on all this ?05:32
SpeedEvilSo if it boots, and doesn't crash, and mostly works05:32
kpomana big perf improvement ?05:32
SpeedEvilI have not investiaged meego enough to comment05:32
jonwilMeeGo wont magically make your N900 run faster05:32
kpomando you think the idea is being a new challenger to ios and android ?05:32
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DocScrutinizeryes, that's the bad part of meego05:33
SpeedEvilI think that was the idea.05:33
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kpomanI hope it doesnt get java on it :p05:33
kpomanI hate java :P love python05:33
DocScrutinizerI hope java will be our biggest concern with maeego05:34
kpomanoops05:34
DocScrutinizerbut I see much worse things coming, like DRM/secuity-framework for example05:35
kpomanwhy did they switch to rpm instead of deb in meego ?05:35
DocScrutinizerwhy not?05:35
kpomanI dont know ... ubuntu uses deb and works pretty well on large varied hardwares05:35
kpomanand has large community behin05:35
jonwilI hope Nokia doesn't lock down MeeGo in the way Apple, Microsoft and the android vendors lock down their platforms05:35
kpomanwhy not an ubuntu or debian derivative ?05:36
DocScrutinizeractually I don't care at all which format the pkgs for my app manager are05:36
kpomanI know :(05:36
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DocScrutinizerubuntu is fubar, simply put05:37
kpomanmaybe it will get a real arm branch05:38
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kpomanbecause of the amount of arm processors nowadays05:38
kpomanthey do have the 6405:38
fosstuxHi! When backupping my data from Mydocs/cities I get read Error: I/O error.05:39
DocScrutinizerwho cares? http://xkcd.com/424/05:39
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javispedroaha!05:39
javispedromodule-nokia-voice is the one touching the mixer05:39
DocScrutinizermeh :-D05:39
fosstuxWhat can I do to backup my cities dorectory? Including diskcache - there the problem exists05:39
DocScrutinizerhm05:40
kpomando someone know where all the contacts are stored ? is it some sqlite stuff or what ? can I massively edit, say, the phone numbers to add a specific prefix ?05:40
DocScrutinizeryes, sqlite305:40
jonwilmodule-nokia-voice sounds like yet another piece of funky closed code :P05:41
DocScrutinizeryep :-S05:41
kpomanDocScrutinizer: do you know where the file is ?05:41
jonwilok, so now that I finally got my SDK installed, where can I find a sample app to compile and load onto my device to make sure I am able to properly compile things?05:41
DocScrutinizer~ .addressfoo05:41
DocScrutinizerdunno, do a find ~ -name '*db'05:42
kpoman./.osso-abook/db/index_phone.db05:42
kpomanoops05:42
kpomanI see lot of those05:43
kpoman:p05:43
DocScrutinizer/home/user/n900-1/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db05:43
DocScrutinizererr, sorry, that's been my backup on PC05:43
DocScrutinizerso, /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db05:44
kpomanyep05:44
kpomancool then I'll have to update it with python :p05:44
DocScrutinizeractually /home/user/.osso-abook/db/*05:45
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kpomanok05:47
kpomanI go to sleep now, really late here in brasilia :p05:47
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DocScrutinizerwut?05:47
kpomanI will continue testing stuff tomorrow05:47
kpoman??05:47
DocScrutinizer2011-01-15 04:4705:48
DocScrutinizer:-P05:48
kpomanhere 1h48 am05:48
kpomanonly :p05:48
kpomanhowever05:48
kpomanin, say, 4 hours from now, i will have to give some milk to my baby :p05:48
DocScrutinizeryeah, you're right... time for another coffee05:48
mikki-kunisn't it like 8PM there only?05:48
kpomanno, really really late :p05:48
mikki-kunohhh, sorry, seems my provider really is having a hard time keeping my internet up -.-05:49
DocScrutinizertime for 1264843005:49
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kpomanthank you for your time dudes05:50
kpomanhave good nite05:50
DocScrutinizeryw05:51
DocScrutinizern805:51
kpomansee ya soon, will have tons of questions for my biometric app :)05:51
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kpoman(like installing pylons, libusb, etc...)05:51
kpomanhehe05:51
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kpomannite !05:51
DocScrutinizerlooking forward to it05:51
DocScrutinizerglad to help, esp with h-e-n05:51
kpomanyep it worked fine, even if i still dont have the fem-fem usb cable05:52
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jonwilok, so where can I get a sample program using QT that I can then compile in scratchbox and put on my device (to be sure that I can compile QT apps before I start writing some of my own)05:52
kpomanwill buy one tomorrow05:52
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jonwilgoogle for "qt maemo" doesnt show anything usefull05:53
jonwilaha, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo seems to help05:53
BCMMjonwil: you could use one of the regular Qt examples05:54
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BCMMjonwil: the whole point of Qt is that stuff doesn't have to have been written specifically for the platform you're using...05:54
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jonwilWhats the correct fu to use to enable extras-devel in scratchbox?06:18
jonwilso I can then pull qt-maemo-example to study :)06:18
jonwilfound it06:19
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: quite right decision putting the meego.gitorious.org on /topic :)06:50
javispedroseemingly this pulse module got split into several other ones06:51
javispedrobut you can still find some intact parts of it in the gitorious history =)06:51
javispedro(meego-multimedia repo)06:52
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jonwilok, so how do I get my test program (that I just made) onto my N900 and how do I run it? I have run dpkg-buildpackage and now have an armel package.07:07
ShadowJKI'd install it first?07:08
RobbieThe1stYea... "dpkg -i ./my_package.deb"07:09
RobbieThe1stas root07:09
jonwilhow do I put the file on the N900?07:09
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ShadowJKI have openssh installed on mine and would probably just scp it over wifi07:12
ShadowJKbut usb mass storage mode works too I guess07:12
jonwilwhere inside scratchbox does the dpkg file get put?07:12
DocScrutinizerI'd open sftp://root@N900 in konqueror07:12
DocScrutinizerbut then that's just me, and I got ssh key on my N900s, so no pw entry needed07:14
jonwilaha now I see it07:14
jonwilgot the .deb file07:14
DocScrutinizerand I got fixed IPs for the N900s, so no bitching from ssh about changed credentials in known_hosts07:15
jonwilnow I just gotta find where on the phone the memory card is mounted07:22
jonwilsince that's where the .deb ended up07:23
jonwilok, found it07:24
jonwil /media/mmc107:24
jonwilok, now its installed, now how the hell do I run my test app?07:25
DocScrutinizer*sigh*07:27
DocScrutinizeryou tried to start it via xterm?07:27
jonwilI see the problem07:27
DocScrutinizerhow is it supposed to get started?07:27
jonwilsomehow its named src07:27
jonwiland not hello07:28
jonwilso thats why its not working07:28
jonwilworking :)07:28
jonwilthanks for the help, now I know how to build apps for my N900 and run them :)07:28
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ZogG_workmorning07:52
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ZogG_workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGy1857r6yg&feature=player_embedded and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_U6FdjVIfs&feature=player_embedded08:01
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fosstuxHi! Is it possible to define custom colors for the n900 calendar app?09:21
RobbieThe1stLike... a theme?09:23
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fosstuxRobbieThe1st: for one calendar, yes. I can choose between 12 colors as far I know09:27
fosstuxbut MY color is missing#09:27
fosstuxthe calendar uses it to highlight the events in month and week views09:28
RobbieThe1stI'm not sure... I've never messed with it09:28
RobbieThe1stThere's probably a config file somewhere..09:28
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iPeter-hello11:08
iPeter-I'am trying to install android gingerbread for my n900 bzip2: cant create output file gingerbread.tar: read-only filesystem11:08
iPeter-that error i get when try bzip2 -d gingerbread.tar.bz211:09
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JaffaiPeter-: You aren't root.11:18
iPeter-Jaffa: I'am11:21
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JZAhi got a question, I got a pretty old maemo 5 version on my N90011:30
JZAI got a question regarding which bin should I dl11:31
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JZAI already go2 two versions11:31
JZARX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin11:31
JZAand RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin11:31
JZAI never manage to install them11:31
JZAand now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin11:31
RobbieThe1stum...11:35
RobbieThe1stOk, wait11:35
RobbieThe1stThe second one you listed is what you want - thats the "PR1.3" OS release.11:35
RobbieThe1stThe third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed11:36
RobbieThe1stIt's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted.11:36
RobbieThe1stAs far as flashing goes, make sure you back up all data/prefrences first with the backup tool11:37
JZAyeah I'll do that now11:39
JZAhavent done it in quite some time.11:39
ZogG_work RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin11:41
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JZAok backup is done. Now lets get started11:48
JZAZogG: umm what you want to say by that? should I use that one?11:49
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ZogG_workit's the last one11:50
ZogG_worklook at the date11:50
JZAZogG: thats the one I was downloading right now11:50
JZA<JZA> and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin11:50
ZogG_workok11:51
ZogG_workwanted to be sure11:51
JZAZogG: except RobbieThe1st told me <RobbieThe1st> The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed11:52
JZA<RobbieThe1st> It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted11:52
JZAso I got mixed messages now11:52
RobbieThe1stwait11:52
RobbieThe1stErm, yea11:52
RobbieThe1sthe's right. Misread the name11:52
RobbieThe1stThird one's the one you want11:53
RobbieThe1stOne with the highest date = PR1.311:53
JZAok running the flasher now11:53
JZAah ok there is the error... Unable to enumerate USB buses!11:56
JZAhttp://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg11:57
JZAthat's what I get11:57
JZAthat's where I am stuck11:57
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JZAanyone?12:02
JZARobbieThe1st: any idea12:02
RobbieThe1stoh, um...12:03
RobbieThe1stWhat OS?12:03
JZALinux12:03
RobbieThe1stIt's got to be run as root12:03
JZAearlier they told me about doing modprobe ctc...12:03
JZARobbieThe1st: yeah I did that12:03
RobbieThe1stCan you paste your command here?12:03
ZogG_workJZA: what OS?12:03
RobbieThe1stAlso, yea - version? what does "uname -a" say?12:04
ZogG_worki had simuliar problem with arch12:04
JZAZogG_work: linux12:04
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JZAmodprobe -r cdc_phonet12:04
JZAMadriva Linux 2.612:04
JZA2.6.31.1212:04
RobbieThe1stCan you paste the whole "uname -a" string here? You can copy-paste from a terminal with "ctrl+shift+x"12:05
ZogG_workthere was some kind of modules u have to turn off before12:05
JZALinux mylappy 2.6.31.12-desktop586-1mnb #1 SMP Tue Jan 26 02:59:40 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Solo CPU    U3500  @ 1.40GHz GNU/Linux12:05
ZogG_workwere*12:05
RobbieThe1stOk. So, 32-bit. That'lll make it easier..12:05
RobbieThe1stTo be honest, I've never used Mandriva.12:06
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JZARobbieThe1st: so you will blame it on the distro12:07
RobbieThe1stNo, I'm blaiming it on my lack of knowledge.12:07
JZARobbieThe1st: I had no issues when dealing with N770 or N81012:07
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JZAZogG_work: which modules?12:08
RobbieThe1stIts cdc_phonet and phonet if I recall12:08
JZAmodprobe -r phonet12:09
JZAFATAL: Module phonet is in use.12:09
RobbieThe1stNow, I've tried googling, come up with nothing really for that error. No solutions at least.12:09
RobbieThe1stUnload cdc_phonet first12:09
JZAdid that12:09
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RobbieThe1stTry "lsmod | grep phonet"12:10
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RobbieThe1stAnd copy-paste the lines here12:10
JZAok it worked now12:11
JZAbut still same result12:11
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RobbieThe1stPhonet has been unloaded?12:12
RobbieThe1stand the command's running as root?12:12
JZARobbieThe1st: yes12:12
JZAI doubt I could unload it as regular user12:12
RobbieThe1stThen I'm out of ideas. Go grab a current Ubuntu CD, run it as a LiveCD, and do it from there.12:12
JZA:S12:13
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JZAthis sucks12:13
RobbieThe1stHey, do you want it working, or want to mess around for a while?12:13
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JZAwell I have been trying for a year12:13
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JZAnow12:13
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JZAI wanted to have it through OTA but process sucks as well12:14
RobbieThe1stWell, what I would argue here is that this is Nokia's binary. They didn't do a superb job compiling it, nor did they give us the sourse.12:15
RobbieThe1st*source.12:15
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RobbieThe1stSo, it's to be expected that it won't work with everything.12:15
trumee_JZA: what are you trying to accomplish?12:15
JZAtrumee: update the maemo 512:16
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JZAon my n900 but it just dont work12:16
trumee_JZA: flasher doesnt write to the N900?12:16
JZAI get a reasoning that is because of the distro... which is senseless since it worked with the other devices.12:17
JZAtrumee: I get this http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg12:17
RobbieThe1sttrumee: He's running Mandriva, and getting " Unable to enumerate USB buses!"12:17
trumee_JZA: never seen that before12:17
RobbieThe1stWhich is -obviously- an OS/flasher problem. Not a N900 problem...12:17
trumee_JZA: but i can confirm flasher doesnt work on OpenSuse laptop as well12:17
trumee_JZA: but works fine on my desktop running gentoo12:18
JZAinteresting was reading a similar issue on gentoo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83912:18
JZAthe guy gave up and ran fedora on vm12:19
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RobbieThe1stIt's probably a version thing12:19
JZAbut my vm doesnt seems to detect usb devices12:19
RobbieThe1stThe n900 flasher version may require a more recent distro version or a more limited set of distro12:19
JZArunning on Virtualbox12:19
trumee_JZA:but it did work with Windows on the same laptop (i have a dualboot on the laptop). So it is an OS issue i think12:19
RobbieThe1st*s12:19
JZAtrumee: I dont have windows12:20
JZAgod12:20
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JZAwell thanks for trying12:20
RobbieThe1stJZA: Go download a Ubuntu CD. It's FREE. It'll take you a couple of hours. Easy.12:20
JZAI'll probably use the evil version of virtualbox eventually and run a vm with it... maybe 2 years from now.12:20
JZAthanks for your time12:21
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RobbieThe1st*sigh*.12:21
RobbieThe1stSome people. :\12:21
trumee_RobbieThe1st: i would stay away from Ubuntu given a choice :p12:22
RobbieThe1stMaby so. I'm using Debian personally.12:23
RobbieThe1stThing is, though, it -works-.12:23
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ZogG_wi was timeouted12:39
ZogG_wdid u managed?12:39
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ZogG_wRobbieThe1st: did he?12:41
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ZogG_wruskie: \o/12:57
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RobbieThe1stZogG_w: Sorry for responding so late, but no. He didn't.13:07
ZogG_whe have to turn off some modules13:07
ZogG_wwhat was his nickname?13:07
RobbieThe1stHe did try that13:07
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ZogG_whe needed to turn them off after he connected13:08
ZogG_was they autoturned back13:08
RobbieThe1streally? the modules auto-load?13:08
RobbieThe1stThey won't on Ubuntu...13:08
RobbieThe1stusername:  JZA (~jza@189.221.119.164.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx)13:08
RobbieThe1stI mean - you unload em via modprobe, and you're good for that boot. At least, that always worked for me13:09
ZogG_whe is offline13:09
ZogG_wdoes he have ubuntu13:09
ZogG_wand they are modules to be loaded13:09
RobbieThe1stcdc_phonet?13:09
ZogG_wthis one and other one13:09
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RobbieThe1stI'm pretty sure you're supposed to -unload- them before using flasher...13:10
ZogG_wubuntu can load them as you connect phone13:10
ZogG_wthat's the point in modules13:10
ZogG_was they are not built in13:11
ZogG_wthey are loaded if you need them13:11
RobbieThe1stYea... But still, they need to be -unloaded- to use flasher, right?13:11
ZogG_wright13:11
ZogG_wu connect phone13:11
ZogG_wand than unload them13:11
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ZogG_wand than start flasher13:12
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RobbieThe1stPossibly. I -do- recall them being loaded -before- I connected my n900 on my Ubuntu machine, though...13:12
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jhbHi, I have a large inbox on my mail server (4000+), and modest first loads all the emails, but from time to time loses most the emails (both on pop and imap). Any ideas?13:15
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ZogG_w4000+ is large?13:15
ZogG_wi have about 13000 =)13:16
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ZogG_wnd modest sucks13:16
jhbZogG, ok, I have a modest amount of emails, and modest still is modest :-)13:16
jhbZogG: do you know anything to do besides recreating the account from time to time?13:16
ZogG_wdelete emails =)13:17
ZogG_wbut i don't use it onphone13:17
ZogG_wany mail client13:17
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ZogG_wonly web from time to time13:17
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jhbZogG_w: so no known solution?13:18
ZogG_wthere are several other clients as far as i know13:18
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jhbZogG_w: ok, thx13:19
ZogG_wClaws Mail13:20
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piggzdatabases may not be the most interesting thing you will do day to day, but you guys may be interested in http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile2.png13:29
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lardmanwhat is it a db app?13:34
lardmani.e. generic which the user can design using the UI13:35
lardman?13:35
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piggzlardman: Kexi from kde/koffice/calligra.....you can design forms and reports on the desktop version, drop the db on the phone, then wander around entering stuff13:51
lardmancool13:51
lardmando you interface with dbus?13:51
lardmanfor data entry?13:51
piggzno....how might that work?13:51
lardmanI used to do stock taking for my Dad's company when I was at school, and barcode scanning would have made my life so much easier13:52
lardmanI wrote an application for the Psion 3a to handle the data entry and collation13:52
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piggz(side note, the reports can print several barcode formats)13:52
lardmanah that's interesting13:53
alteregolardman: I used to have an Acorn Pocket Book which was a psion clone :D13:53
lardmanit was just a thought as mBarcode sends out a dbus message when it decodes a barcode, so that would provide an entry method13:53
alteregoDid you know that os was the makings of symbian? :)13:53
piggzi havnt got the forms working yet....i need to port kexi forms from using qt3support13:53
lardmanalterego: yep, and look what they've done to it! ;)13:53
alteregoGood ole OPL13:53
lardmanalterego: yes OPL was great13:54
alteregoI think my first comple programs were in OPL13:54
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alteregocomplete13:54
lardmanif one could buy a pocket sized Python/PySide reference like the OPL one, that would be great for new devs13:54
alteregoThey bought out a series 60 OPL a few years ago, though I think Python was better by then13:54
alteregoOh yeah, the database reference was awesome13:55
lardmanalterego: and OPL is also open source now, though written in that nasty dialect13:55
lardmanand as you say no reason to use it in preference to Python these days13:56
* lardman wonders about the Galaxy Tab modem comms and whether the GPS is attached to it13:56
RST38hlardman:BTW, the "use first available plugin" feature is a megafail13:56
lardmanRST38h: oh, what's up?13:57
RST38hlardman:Opens 3-4 "Informed Individual" login windows at once13:57
lardmanRST38h: just disable II13:57
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RST38hlardman: Tried that, no change13:57
lardmanhmm, that is odd13:57
lardmanCertainly disabling plugins used to work13:58
lardmanThe idea of that feature was so that you could leave one plugin enabled and have it automatically called13:58
lardmanbut not to have multiple plugins active unless you're sure they handle different barcode types13:58
lardmanRST38h: are you using the latest -devel version of the code?13:59
alteregoI remember writing a piano app in OPL that was cool,13:59
RST38hlardman: yep13:59
alteregoThen I got a 5mx and a revo, those devices were amazing13:59
lardmanI had (have) an S513:59
alteregoI've still got loads of bits of broken psions and acorn clones14:00
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alteregoUnfortunately, being a young bastard I went through one a year14:00
lardmanRST38h: I can't test as my N900 is broken, I'll have a chat to dragly who just pushed some plugin api changes, something may have broken in the plugin enable/disable code with those changes14:01
alteregoAlways somehow managed to break the screen14:01
ZogG_wlardman: is there anything new about QR code for maemo apps?14:01
lardmanZogG_w: installation via a code you mean?14:01
ZogG_wyeah14:01
ZogG_wlike i said on tmo14:01
lardmanI added to the bug in the tracker, but I guess as we're in close down mode at Maemo we don't have much hope really14:02
RST38hlardman: yep.The II plugin is weird anyway:I never managed ot get it to work14:02
lardmanI'm very happy to add stuff to mBarcode though to support any sites who want to use it14:02
lardmanRST38h: it's not working14:02
RST38hoh14:02
lardmanbbiab14:02
ZogG_wlardman i can talk to russian site they use qr code for apps14:03
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ZogG_wmaybe u should make ham:// links or something14:04
lardmanquite happy to do something like that14:04
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lardmanthere is actually code (commented out) in there to read an entire .install file encoded in a QR code14:04
lardmanbut that generates huge QR codes, so a URL is probably easier14:05
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lardmanRST38h: II is dragly's baby, but I don;t think it's finished14:06
lardmanRST38h: I just uninstall it or disable it (as the last time I was able to run mBarcode, disabling plugins did work :))14:06
ZogG_wbut it makes u open website anyway14:06
lardmanZogG_w: which?14:07
ZogG_wi mean when u use .install files14:07
lardmanthere is code in there to generate a local .install file from the contents of the QR code14:07
ZogG_wmaybe it should open it and sent it straight to ham?14:07
ZogG_wnot to generate whole install file14:08
lardmanbut we could use urls and parse them and wget the file and send it to the MIME handler yeah14:08
ZogG_wjust to handle it to ham14:08
alteregoYou can link to an extras .install14:08
alteregodoesn't that get handled by ham anyway?14:08
ZogG_wit is but mbarcode would open browser first14:09
alteregoHrm,14:09
lardmanatm you encode the url to an .install file, mbarcode hands it to the browser which downloads and invokes the mime handler for the .install file, i.e. ham14:09
RST38hlardman:can't be removed (pulled in as a dependency) and can'tbe disabled (for unknownreason)\14:09
lardmanbut we could parse all urls looking for a .install ending and then have the mbarcode plugin wget it and invoke the mime handler itself, skipping the browser step14:10
ZogG_wbut ham14:10
ZogG_wit opens install files themselves14:10
lardmanRST38h: hmm, it used to be possible to remove individual plugins as they were pulled in as part of a meta plugin package14:10
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lardmanRST38h: I'll see what I can do, but I'm a bit stuck without being able to test14:11
ZogG_wso if only to send the files straight to ham and skip doanloading part14:11
lardmanRST38h: can you submit a bug?14:11
lardmanZogG_w: that's what I just said above14:12
ZogG_wlardman: can u make plugin that makes world better?14:12
lardmannuke:// encoding?14:12
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ZogG_wlet's bug him with android14:13
ZogG_wlet's make him hate us14:13
ZogG_wmwahaha14:13
lardmanis e-yes an Android guru?14:13
ZogG_wlardman: hello, nitdroid dev14:14
lardmanah ok14:14
ZogG_wi'm really bored14:14
lardmanwe can tell ;)14:14
ZogG_wshould log into windows to print examples of exams so i can study14:15
lardmanhow's about working out how to talk to the gps/modem on a Galaxy Tab for me14:15
ZogG_wlardman: don't u like me? =( what did i do to u?14:15
ZogG_wlardman: you should talk english i think14:15
lardmanZogG_w: I was taking the mick, don't worry :)14:15
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lardmane-yes: so you have experience of trying to get Android to talk to a GPS I imagine?14:18
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lardmanLooking at the nitdroid site, I see you almost certainly do as you have ofono on your todo list14:21
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RST38hlardman:I can but not right now: dead tired after the transatlantic flight14:26
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reeniginEesreveRcould someone tell me what is the maximum h264 video encoding capability of n900? I'm trying to encode 640x480 in realtime but it seems to be jittering, probably due to getting CPU out. On 320x240 it works well. Can i get some benchmarks on whats the best h264 encoding n900 can do?14:34
alteregoAre you recording to eMMC or microsd, converting a file or encoding from the camera?14:35
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reeniginEesreveRim encoding from camera14:42
reeniginEesreveRand streaming over local network14:42
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alteregoreeniginEesreveR: hrm, I managed it in 1.1.1 not tried it since and I can't remember the settings.14:45
alteregoI think encoding is broken in gst anyway.14:45
reeniginEesreveRit works well for 320x240 for me14:45
reeniginEesreveRon 640x480 CPU usage goes 100%14:46
reeniginEesreveRand video is jittery14:46
reeniginEesreveRpipeline latency is high14:46
reeniginEesreveRI dont think encoding in gst is broken; they've got DSP support as well14:46
alteregoYes, that is what's broken.14:47
alteregoOr at least rubbish14:47
alteregovlc would probably work better :)14:48
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lardmanRST38h: thanks, will have a look this arvo anyway14:52
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e-yeslardman, actually, no. (re: android/gps)14:55
reeniginEesreveRvlc is not in respostiories?14:55
e-yesI hope to `inherit` this functionality from ofono: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=commit;h=5eda7e96b197d2d5cd91811944f575bf91a7762d14:57
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KevinBHi maemoers!15:13
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KevinBWhich device is called additionnal mmc in general?15:14
KevinB/dev/yyy ?15:14
KevinBI'm not sure if it s working well15:14
KevinBon my n90015:14
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psycho_oreos/dev/mmc?blk?15:16
psycho_oreoserr.. /dev/mmcblk?p?15:17
KevinBI think my mmc reader is broken, or maybe the checkCoverIsSet function is15:20
MohammadAGdmesg will show if the cover is detected, card is /dev/mmcblk115:23
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KevinBcover is open15:24
KevinBhaaaa15:24
alteregoKevinB: check the light sensor that detects cover open/close15:26
alteregoIt's next to the camera module.15:26
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KevinBlight sensor located, so do I need to reboot for mmc being detected?15:34
alteregoShouldn't do15:35
alteregoYou mean micro sd?15:36
KevinByea15:36
alteregoIs it formatted and whatfs?15:36
KevinBaddtionnal microSD15:36
KevinBit s a meego image (btrfs,swap ...)15:36
alteregoIt wont appear in maemo then15:36
KevinBanyway dmesg show cover is open15:37
alteregoTo run meego restart your device.15:37
KevinBeven I hide the module15:37
alteregoYou have to have uboot kernel or use flasher to load the kernel (without flashing it to mtd)15:37
alteregoWhen you replace the cover it should show a banner saying "memory card unsupported" or something like that15:38
KevinBha, well i'm still trying to get this message... seems like the light sensor went crazy15:39
alteregohrm, try a reboot then. :)15:39
KevinBOK, and I pray15:39
KevinB:)15:39
ShadowJKthe light sensor detects camera door15:40
ShadowJKthere's a magnet in the battery cover15:40
ShadowJKand a magnetic sensor near the infrared sensor that sees if camera door is open or not15:40
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alteregoOh yeah, might be confusing that, the camera uses light sensor and the cover detection is a magnet?15:41
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ShadowJKKevinB, the light sensor is NOT used for the mmc15:42
ShadowJKthe magnetic sensor is15:42
ShadowJKthere is magnet in battery door, that also holds the kickstand closed15:42
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ShadowJKhm I think I'm lagged :)15:43
MohammadAGI still think that should be disabled15:44
KevinBs***, magnet sensor broken15:51
KevinBis the solution with gconftool ok?15:52
ShadowJKalso check if the magnet is there15:52
ShadowJKit has been known to fall off :(15:52
psycho_oreosthe magnet is that little J shaped metal piece?15:52
alteregoThat fell off mine a while ago, I super glued it into place.15:53
KevinBI dont event know if I have it still, then15:56
KevinBis there a way to disable that security?15:56
KevinBI guess not15:56
KevinBno special kernel for that? :D16:01
KevinBfor the forgiven of the magnets16:01
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KevinBforgotten sorry, my english sucks16:02
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wazdHeya everyone17:05
ShadowJKhai17:06
togglesCiao wazd17:06
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: ping17:26
Gyjfhey doc17:28
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Gyjfdo you happend to know how to set the fontsize in the terminal via cli?17:29
lcukGyjf, not sure but press volume keys afaik17:29
Gyjfthat was easy..17:30
Gyjfthx :D17:30
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Paulyhi17:31
Paulyi have n00b question: i need to port qt app to maemo5 but im not sure what i have to install? the scratchbox or maemo5 sdk?17:33
valdynPauly: iirc the maemo5 sdk includes scratchbox17:36
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Paulyif i just install scratchbox is that all i need to complie the pro file for maemo?17:37
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Paulyoh i see i need them both17:43
valdynPauly: not exactly17:43
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Paulyim just trying to compile one app17:43
valdynPauly: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html17:43
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Paulythank you so much17:45
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Paulyvaldyn: hi um im gonna sound retarted but i tried running the qt sdk .run file  and get Syntax error: "(" unexpected error?17:54
valdynPauly: how did you run it?17:54
Paulysudo sh file.run17:54
valdynPauly: its probably not a shell script17:55
valdynPauly: or maybe its bash and your sh is not17:56
valdynPauly: chmod +x file.run; ./file.run17:56
Paulythanks17:56
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Paulyvaldyn: got it thank u17:58
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: pong18:09
DocScrutinizerchem|st: thanks for the sugar cubes, who was the author of the where-to-find app to operate these?18:11
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: (I used recorder to test one - my CC sounds funny :-D )18:12
chem|stDocScrutinizer: ieatlint and search for magnetic or something18:12
DocScrutinizerthanks18:12
chem|sttrack2 is most of the time teh printed number on the card and the validity date18:12
DocScrutinizeryeah, for scratching noises probably all numbers and other data are the same18:13
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DocScrutinizerI pondered building my own cards out of a piece of plastic and a snippet of 1/2" tape, then record some real audio on it ;-P18:15
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: you got two so you might mod one for recording18:16
DocScrutinizer...or even a veritable tape recorder engine, with N900+cube for the electronics, plus two reels with tape X-P18:16
* SpeedEvil ponders sugar-cubes as one-time-pads, based on the surface pattern of sugar.18:16
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DocScrutinizerQRcode?18:17
SpeedEvilsort-of.18:17
DocScrutinizer""this is your passport to enter there. If you get caught, eat it!"" now this makes sense :-)18:18
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RST38hMoo?18:43
GAN900RST38h, meow18:44
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RST38hGAN: How is suffering tonight?18:47
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DocScrutinizerremoo18:48
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RST38hHeya Doc18:49
* RST38h lazily wonders if he should look at hildon-desktop rotation code18:49
* DocScrutinizer frowns about own wondering how to intercept outbound calls18:50
DocScrutinizer*intercept*, not tally after INVITE got sent18:50
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DocScrutinizerof course I can listen dbus and shout "no! no! don't do that!" as soon as an outbound call gets initiated. That's not any clean solution though18:52
RST38hCan you configure dbus so that YOU rather than the default destination receive these messages?18:53
DocScrutinizerI wonder idly who's savvy enough of telepathy, to give me a pointer18:53
DocScrutinizerRST38h: IF call initiation were via dbus, I could implement that18:54
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DocScrutinizeralas to me it seems like caller-ui is talking to telepathy in a way I can't get hold of, in dbus18:55
GAN900RST38h, just excellent. You?18:55
RST38hAh18:56
RST38hTelepathy is entirely done via dbus, no?18:56
DocScrutinizerNFC18:56
RST38hGAN: Came back from the US today, still giddy after the flight18:56
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall I scrutinized both dbuses and found nothing promising that looked like it's worth to intercept18:57
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DocScrutinizeralso spoofing destinations in dbus seems isn't one of the standard properties of dbus18:57
GAN900RST38h, DC?18:59
RST38hDoc: When I checked telepathy api reference, the apis were defined completely via dbus calls, remember finding it peculiar18:59
RST38hGAN:DC/MD18:59
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GAN900Sounds like an unpleasant flight.18:59
RST38hGAN: United sucks.19:00
GAN900Indeed19:00
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RST38hGAN: They successfully managed to get worse than Aeroflot.19:00
RST38hAnother 5-10 years, and the economy class will be standing space only.19:02
DocScrutinizerRST38h: thanks for the info19:02
jacekowskiwho are you talking about?19:03
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DocScrutinizerI guess I'll have to get another look into it then. Maybe run rtcom-caller-ui under a different user, wrt dbus, and have a gateway to real bus that does the monitoring and mangling19:04
RST38hOk, so what part of hildon-desktop would be responsible for rotating client windows?19:04
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RST38hAhha, hd-comp-mgr.c appears to be it19:05
DocScrutinizerkinda YUCK, but meh, if there's no better way to kick ass of rtcom-call-ui19:05
DocScrutinizera hook in telepathy would be nice19:06
DocScrutinizerso, once more my question: who's familiar with telepathy details - maybe even author of telepathy? I'd like to discuss this issue with them19:08
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RST38hDoc: talk to lcuk19:11
DocScrutinizerfor the concept, it's not correct to sandbox rtcom-call-ui. I'd need to sandbox telepathy aiui19:11
RST38hDoc: I *think* he is working for the subcontractor which does telepathy work for Nokia19:11
RST38hHmmm, hildon-desktop appears to attempt rotation multiple times19:12
RST38hReally messy code =(19:12
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: alas lcuk denied any knowledge about the issue and refused to help unless I switch to meego for my project :-S19:12
GAN900Hiding file extensions is always helpful.19:13
DocScrutinizeryeah, FSCK file extensions :-P19:13
perolsenduring boot (White background, blue nokia letters) I get a green "no initfs" message among with kernel version, etc. Is this enabled by the R&D-settings?19:13
DocScrutinizeryes, afaik19:14
DocScrutinizerdoesn't mean a thing, except "you shalt not enable R&D"19:14
perolsenwhy is that?19:14
DocScrutinizerwhy is what?19:14
RST38hDoc: Evil.19:15
perolsenwhy shalt thee not enable R&D?19:15
GAN900perolsen, wastes battery life and serves no purpose, generally.19:15
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perolsennoted.19:15
DocScrutinizerbecause watchdogs are there for a purpose. And you quite usually don't need R&D for anything19:15
RST38hheyajavispedro19:15
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javispedromorning19:15
RST38hjavispedro: First of all, you will be delighted to know that ANdroid DID get native audio APIs in NDK 2.319:16
javispedroOpenSL ES19:16
RST38hjavispedro: and {I hope you have not eaten] they are OpenSL19:16
javispedroI mentioned it yesterday =919:16
DocScrutinizermoo javispedro19:16
RST38hjavispedro: The API documet is 500+ pages long, and I could not figure out how it works.19:16
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javispedroRST38h: it follows a pattern. Next thing you'll see is Android 40.5 brining in OpenKode =)19:16
RST38hjavispedro: Evil^2.19:17
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* javispedro also notes that OpenSL itself always seemed like a NIH syndrome result19:17
RST38hjavispedro: Now, I am looking at hildon-desktop sources. Looks like the "interesting" spot is in hd_render_manager_set_state_unportrait / hd_render_manager_set_state_portrait19:17
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DocScrutinizeraren't the docs just fine :-D19:18
RST38hOpenSL actually manages to be even MORE complicated than ALSA. Takes an effort.19:18
DocScrutinizereven MORE than fsckng PA?19:19
RST38hDoc: Sadly, yes.19:20
* DocScrutinizer sighs, depressed19:20
RST38hDoc: OpenSL is audio done in OpenGL219:20
DocScrutinizer*COUGH*19:21
RST38hHehe19:21
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DocScrutinizerI wonder when they will reach the point to implement virtual /dev/dsp on top of 17 layers of abstraction, and declare that's ultimate ratio audio interface19:22
RST38hProbably never as then all these API designers will become jobless.19:23
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luke-jrLOL19:23
DocScrutinizerwon't matter - you don't need a job after electrocution19:24
javispedroguess what. the music player "sample" in the opensl spec is 9 pages long19:24
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RST38hDoc: Can't electrocute that many people, will need WMDs.19:24
DocScrutinizerMUAHAHAHA sob19:24
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RST38hjavispedro: and OpenSL appears to duplicate MAFW APIs (or vice versa)19:25
DocScrutinizerWAAAAHHH!!!19:25
* DocScrutinizer headbangs desk19:26
RST38h /* change the state temporarily for the reconsideration code */19:26
RST38hThis has been found in the hildon-desktop rotation function19:26
DocScrutinizerreconsideration code - ROTFL19:26
RST38h  /* this may or may not cause state change: */19:27
javispedrohd-render-manager.c?19:28
javispedrohmm. yes.19:28
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javispedroThat is core logic, I at least know which "reconsideration" he's talking about.19:30
javispedrohd_transition_rotate_screen19:31
DocScrutinizerIt resembles KDE4 menu behaviour: open once - submenu covers main menu. open again - it made up its mind and displays submenu to the left of main19:31
DocScrutinizerprobably they have reconsideration code as well19:31
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javispedroRST38h: read src/util/hd-transition.c:11319:32
DocScrutinizerI just don't get it how those KDE4 devels managed to fsck up all the nicely working functions of kde3, even such basic things like menu placement, or window bar highlighting19:33
RST38hamoment19:33
* javispedro tries to get the mxr link...19:33
javispedrohttp://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-desktop/src/util/hd-transition.c#11319:33
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GAN900Personal hygiene is hard.19:35
DocScrutinizerfloat angle; WAAAH19:35
GAN900Judging by my semi-random sample today, at least.19:35
RST38hjavispedro: Damage done! Start fading in!19:35
DocScrutinizerfloat                     final_alpha;19:35
* DocScrutinizer shakes head19:36
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DocScrutinizer /* In Fade effects, final_alpha specifies the alpha value when the window/note if fully faded in. */  SURE, and alpha is a float, inevitably19:37
RST38hjavispedro:19:37
DocScrutinizeralso for rotation I bet you can't get away without fracions of a angle-degree19:38
RST38hSo, based on this code, do you think it spends most timewaiting for the apps to readjust their UIs?19:38
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javispedroRST38h: dunno yet, but my plan is to shortcut the state machine19:39
RST38hjavispedro: sounds dangerous19:40
korhojoa_greetings. So I got a Pr1.1 device from Nokia after my microusb broke off. It only updated to 1.2 afaik via the updater. Any ideas on how to get the device to upgrade to PR1.3 ?19:40
RST38hbut at least fadein/fadeout are unnecessary19:40
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RST38hHoly shit, there is so much code there dealing just with the animation...19:41
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa_: should update automatically from 1.2 to 1.319:45
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RST38hjavispedro: this source file also manages other transitions like notes fading in/out or flying out19:45
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korhojoa_Yeah, I know. But it isn't doing that.19:45
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DocScrutinizeryou checked for updates available, in 1.2?19:45
korhojoa_Is there some trigger or something to let it see the upgrade, or do I need to change a repo or something?19:46
korhojoa_Yes, of course.19:46
DocScrutinizeryou checked if you are actually on 1.2 and not 1.3 already?19:46
korhojoa_according to the firmware version, I'm on 1.219:46
DocScrutinizerhmm19:46
DocScrutinizerHAM -> update19:46
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, I'd prefer flashing. Much faster, much cleaner19:47
korhojoa_Hmm. Nevermind, actually. I misread. :f19:47
korhojoa_I am on 1.3. Feel kind of dumb now.19:47
korhojoa_Just rechecked19:48
DocScrutinizerhehe19:48
RST38hjavispedro: hd_transition_fade_and_rotate() - this is where it all starts19:48
korhojoa_I'd flash it too, but I seem to have misplaced my microusb cable19:48
korhojoa_well. anyway, thanks for prompting me to re-check.19:48
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DocScrutinizeryw19:48
RST38hjavispedro: and this is the function that has to be get rid of, I suppose19:49
RST38hnotice the comments about it being "nasty"19:49
trxhmm, when i connect my phone to my car audio player via usb, it works for about 5 mins and then it makes me select the connection again (like i have unplugged it and plugged it again), does that happen to anyone else?19:50
trxusb sticks work just fine btw...19:50
javispedroRST38h: (a moment, doing the Stskeeps stuff)19:50
DocScrutinizertrx: memsticks don't have a menu that asks "mass storage or PC-suite mode?"19:52
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DocScrutinizertrx: probably your car stereo eventually powers down the USB, to save energy or whatever19:52
trxDocScrutinizer i select "mass storage mode" and player reads the music fine and plays the music19:52
trxhmm19:53
trxdamn player :/19:53
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trxthere is no such thing (like a timeout) on the phone?19:53
DocScrutinizertrx: if you use a memstick with LED you can tell if it actually is doing that for the stick as well19:54
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trxi mean, it stops in the middle of a song, it would be wierd for the player to shut down the power..19:54
trxalso, on my 5800XM it didnt do that19:54
DocScrutinizertrx: there's a thing like timeout, for USB. My impression was it's never entering this state when on mass storage mode19:55
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trxi worked fine, thats why i suspect its a phone problem19:55
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DocScrutinizerthere's some suspend state in musb-core, the USB kernel driver19:56
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trxare there any config files, do you know?19:56
DocScrutinizerdunno, it shouldn't break things usually19:56
DocScrutinizernone I know of19:56
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trx:(19:57
DocScrutinizertrx: see, for the N900 your car stereo is not any different to arbitrary PC hosts19:57
DocScrutinizerso I would assume the problem is in your car stereo19:57
trxyeah, i assume so too19:58
DocScrutinizeras nobody ever reported similar problems with N900 mass storage at PC19:58
trxbut just wanted to make sure some1 else didnt have simmilar problems too19:58
trxas 5800 didnt have those problems19:59
DocScrutinizerhmm19:59
DocScrutinizermight be VBUS related19:59
DocScrutinizeror ENUM related19:59
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DocScrutinizeryou might want to check syslog, on N90020:01
trxis there any way i can see some logs20:01
trxwith dmesg?20:01
DocScrutinizerpossibly even with h-e-n enabled powerkernel20:01
trxi have h-e-n enabled kernel20:01
DocScrutinizerdmesg is ok for most purposes20:01
trxpower v4620:01
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trxDocScrutinizer where can i find syslog?20:05
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DocScrutinizertrx: install ksyslog, or sysklog, or what's it called. Then look for /var/log/syslog20:08
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trxok, thank you20:08
RST38hThere's a DIY Gastric Bypass Surgery Kit For Sale on Amazon!20:08
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DocScrutinizeryou might want to "" >/var/log/syslog"" every now and then, otherwise it tends to eat your / free space20:09
trxgood to know that20:09
trxty20:09
RST38hThieves Raid Traffic Lights for SIM Cards to Make Free Calls!20:10
RST38hActually, what a good idea!20:10
DocScrutinizerLOL20:10
trxhahaha20:10
trxbrilliant :D20:10
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johnsqHi20:19
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* javispedro rofls20:31
RST38hmmm?20:31
javispedroso a guy in tmo wanted to replace the libPDL library (one of the preenv stubs)20:32
javispedrobut he couldn't find it20:32
javispedroso he found out "libdl.so" library20:32
javispedroand since they were named similarly20:32
keriohahaha20:32
javispedropoof.20:32
kerioa good sysadmin would fix that while the system still runs though20:32
javispedro:)20:33
javispedrobut wait. then he realised libPmIpcLib.so is similar to libpcprofile.so !20:34
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javispedroRST38h: job done :)20:47
javispedroRST38h: I've replaced hd_transition_fsm with a two line function =)20:48
AranelCan I play MP3 to a caller? Can I? Can I? (I'll make a script for it, a blacklist, and make fun!)20:48
javispedroRST38h: http://maemo.pastebin.com/uTLAmKeK20:49
chxAranel: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/answering_machine_on_n900/  ?20:50
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Aranelchx: he's asking for a complete app, most likely It's never going to be done :) I'm asking for an advice about it, maybe a pulseaudio one-liner or source of a similar code.20:52
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: heh :-P20:58
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and no floats anywhere :-)20:59
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javispedrounfortunately it had to grow a little as it was doing weird things with menus21:08
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javispedro6 lines now :)21:10
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trxDocScrutinizer i have tested the car player and N900 a bit now, and it appears that i dont have any problems while the car is off, when i turned it on, i could see on the player that i drew some power21:23
trxand the phone turned off the connection21:23
trxis it possible to tell the phone not to charge it self? (will stopping bme do that?)21:24
DocScrutinizerpossibly21:24
DocScrutinizertrying "stop bme" won't hurt21:24
trxi am thinking that maybe during driving, the voltage varies21:25
DocScrutinizerrumour has it though, mass storage mode doesn't work without bme21:25
trxand thats why the phone disconnects it self..21:25
DocScrutinizernot likely21:26
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GAN900DNS hijacking prefs keep getting reset.21:28
javispedroclearly intentional21:28
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RST38hjavispedro: OMG, did that hildon-desktop shortcut work???21:30
javispedroRST38h: yes, it is not as fast as I'd like though...21:31
javispedroRST38h: it pauses for a moment, screen blinks and you get the rotated output21:31
RST38hjavispedro <-- paints in large strokes =)21:31
RST38hjavispedro: but is it better than before? faster? no visual acrobatics?21:31
javispedrono acrobatics21:32
javispedrobut only slightly faster21:32
RST38hand no harmful effects to the applications?21:32
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javispedrowith the updated patch seemingly not..21:32
RST38hhmm, should we give this to MohammadAG for inclusion into his desktop and testing?21:33
* Arkenoi reads about SE liveview. 10 years ago i started talking about the need of such things. I wonder if it will be supported by maemo someday21:33
javispedrohttp://maemo.pastebin.com/xxEPYCBb21:33
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MohammadAGsay what?21:33
javispedroRST38h: can you build it? want a binary?21:33
RST38hjavispedro: I cannot build it at the moment, but would appreciate a binary21:34
MohammadAGjavispedro, what did you do?21:34
javispedroMohammadAG: we're trying to get faster rotation, rst38h to get rid of the animation and me to prove a point.21:34
MohammadAGjavispedro, you should see how I do it in the mediaplayer :P21:35
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MohammadAG(rotating the video now playing window)21:35
MohammadAGrotating the widgets instead of the whole window and X server = much faster21:35
javispedroI do not want to know about dirty meego-like tricks21:35
javispedronow I have to kill you.21:36
MohammadAGoh right, MeeGo does that....21:36
MohammadAGstill, my window's faster than MeeGo21:36
RST38hMohammad: Basically, javispedro has short circuited all the visual acrobatics hidon-desktop does on orientation change21:37
RST38hMohammad: So his h-d no longer has an animation there, just blinks and shows up in the new orientation21:37
MohammadAGcool, now can you replace blurs with darkened bgs?21:38
RST38hthat is configurabe, isn'tit?21:38
javispedroh-d itself does that when gl lib doesn't support shaders21:38
RST38hthere is a blursetting21:38
javispedroat least on x8621:38
MohammadAGthat reduces blur21:38
MohammadAGor removes it21:38
MohammadAGI want it to lower brightness instead of blurring21:39
RST38hset radius to 1 or 0 and you should be ok21:39
javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hdrot/hildon-desktop.launch.gz21:39
MohammadAGstill not the same21:39
javispedro(evaluate, but as I said it is not as good as I'd wish..)21:39
RST38hthanks =)21:40
javispedro(launch by replacing /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch or killing it with no_lg_reboots and "maemo-invoker /full/path/to/hildon-desktop.launch")21:40
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trxDocScrutinizer just to let you know, the rumour was false, mass storage mode works without bme21:41
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javispedroRST38h: better not replace hildon-desktop21:41
Paulyhi i need help21:41
javispedroRST38h: (the system one I mean)21:41
Paulytyring to install but i need libqtcore4 but have no idea how to get btw im on n90021:42
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Pauly_any ideas21:44
Pauly_??21:44
* javispedro has now crashed xorg but I was trying xrandr..21:44
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javispedroPauly_: trying to install what? qt comes with your n900.21:45
Pauly_theres an app called qtwitter runs n diablo but i want to try to install for fremantle21:45
Pauly_i need qtcore421:45
Pauly_libqtcore421:46
MohammadAGno, you need to recompile it21:46
javispedrodon't do that21:46
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MohammadAGlibqt4-core is already installed21:46
Pauly_ya i noticed a name change21:46
Pauly_ill just recomplie eveerything21:46
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javispedro"everything"?21:47
Pauly_qtwitter depends on qoauth and qoauth depends on qca21:48
Pauly_so i have to recompile all those apperntley21:48
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javispedroRST38h: alive?21:58
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MohammadAGPauly_, there are Qt apps that use OAuth afaik, you just need to find the new name22:01
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Pauly_what do you mean?22:07
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bjvagps seems to have stopped responding on my 81022:08
Pauly_MohammadAG: what do you mean?22:09
bjvi --purge agps-ui and supl-daemon from dpkg, but nothing improves after a reinstall22:09
bjvive tried to remove libsupld1 as well22:10
RST38hyou probably screwed up the installation22:10
bjv?22:10
RST38hby purging these packages22:10
bjvagps was functional for many long months, before now22:10
bjvoh22:10
bjvwell,22:10
bjvit had already stopped functioning22:11
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search qt oauth22:11
MohammadAGlibqoauth-dev - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme22:11
MohammadAGlibqoauth - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme22:11
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bjvi grew concerned when 1) removal/reinstallation did not help and22:12
Pauly_MohammadAG: thank you22:12
bjv2) libsupld1 removal pulled off osso-core and osso-core-busybox22:13
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bjvin addition to libsupld1 & gpsdriver22:13
RST38htrouble.22:13
RST38hrefash.22:13
RST38hreflash, I mean22:13
bjvi did not --purge osso-core or osso-core-busybox, though22:13
RST38hthp: here?22:14
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bjvagps-ui just configures supl-daemon, though22:15
bjvcorrect?22:15
bjvso really i am still looking at:   "supl-daemon is not working"22:15
bjvosso-core and gpsdriver reinstallation aside.22:16
RST38hthe server it connects to may be down for some reason22:16
bjvafter supld stopped working, but before messing with packages22:16
bjvi could still get an unassisted fix in ~13 min or so22:16
bjvand after messing w/ dpkg22:16
bjvi can still get fixes unassisted22:16
bjvhm22:16
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Pauly_MohammadAG: apperntly qca and qoauth are just renamed libqoauth and libqca.22:18
MohammadAGyes22:19
MohammadAGthat's what I said22:19
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Pauly_so if an app depends on those how would i get it to work? sry im a stupid n00b22:20
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Pauly_MohammadAG: would i have to change all the refernces in the apps source code?22:24
MohammadAGshouldn't, no22:24
MohammadAGqmake should handle all that stuff22:25
Pauly_okay22:25
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bjvwell22:28
bjvso the slightly more sophisticated approach gets me:22:28
bjv"[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-1!"22:28
bjvwhen running supld from the console,22:29
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bjvcreated the folder, for debug log22:30
bjvbut "debug mode" is 0, and supld does not seem to have any usage text22:30
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bjv/etc/supld/certs/ just contains a bunch of *.pem22:30
bjvmust be stuff in gconf22:31
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bjvhm, /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support is set to 0 in gconf22:41
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bjvsetting it to 1 rewards me with22:41
bjv"supld[3922]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x6d818, 5886bdb6-9443-4cff-bbbf-2875f4a22721, WLAN_INFRA, 0)"22:41
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bjvbut then still quits with22:41
bjv"[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-3!"22:41
bjvsetting back to 0, no more Con ic event22:42
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bjvand immediate failure with -122:42
bjvsupld does not seem to be documented anywhere.22:42
bjvi really just want to rip this out, and redeploy it fresh -_-22:42
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Pauly_MohammadAG: i tried building but it keeps giving me errors about oauth22:52
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Pauly_MohammadAG: and qt creator wont make the the package grrrrrrr22:54
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smokuanyone interested in hildon-desktop for Clutter 1.x and Mx in place of Tidy? :)23:14
thpRST38h: here now23:15
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GAN900DDP N900 finally vomitted out its USB port.23:22
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BCMM_GAN900: Nokia replaces them if the USB port falls out, right?23:24
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GAN900BCMM_, not out of warranty.23:33
GAN900And technically the DDP warranty is only 7 days.23:33
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BCMM_GAN900: DDP?23:36
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MohammadAGDeveloper Device Program23:36
MohammadAG0 cost or a discount23:37
MohammadAGI wonder when MeeGo's DDP launches :p23:37
BCMM_oh23:37
GAN900MohammadAG, €25023:38
GAN900For N90023:38
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MohammadAGit was 800 when it launched right?23:38
MohammadAGor 60023:38
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lcukhey, inside a debian/control file for package appfoo, I specify that a package depends on libbar.23:47
lcukif the user already has this library installed (but older ver) the newest one in repo will not be pulled in.23:47
lcukI know I can specify an explicit version for libbar, but can I make this automatic to say "make appfoo depend on the version of libbar that I(the developer) have on my system at build time"23:47
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MohammadAGlcuk, shouldn't $(shlibs:Depends) do that?23:52
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MohammadAGif it's a proper libbar23:52
lcukMohammadAG, probably23:53
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MohammadAGlcuk, it works with most libs23:53
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lcukthx MohammadAG \o23:54
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lcukawesome indeed MohammadAG :)23:57
MohammadAG:)23:58
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MohammadAGyw23:58
valdynlcuk: why depends on one version?23:58
valdynlcuk: should be >= someversion23:58
lcukvaldyn, it wasn't one specific version23:58
lcukit was that not specifying a version at all23:59
valdynlcuk: alright then23:59

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