IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2011-01-16

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* trumee__ shame scrolling in xchat eats up all the cpu00:03
MohammadAGshouldn't00:05
trumee__MohammadAG, i agree :)00:06
trumee__MohammadAG, your hildonized version probably doesnt.00:07
AurigaAnyone still using an N800?00:07
lcukAuriga, I spent last weekend with my n810 if that counts00:07
AurigaIt might...00:07
AurigaAre you familiar with Blueserial?00:08
AurigaOr anything of the equivalant that works?00:08
lcukno, sorry - I guess your quest must go further00:08
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AurigaLol00:08
Auriga& so I continue in circles lol00:09
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BCMM_has anyone set up their n900 to automatically start sshd when on a wlan and stop it when on GPRS?00:13
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lcukBCMM_, hm I tohught lots of ISPs negate any kind of ssh input over gprs anyway00:17
lcukby virtue of not having a public ip00:17
lcukbut I know some isps do00:17
BCMM_yeah, but mine is unpredictable00:17
BCMM_i mean, it sometimes gives me a real ip and sometimes private00:18
BCMM_yes, that's weird00:18
lcukthats ok, why need to disable it if you dont mind?00:18
BCMM_lcuk: mostly because it doesn't need to be running00:18
BCMM_actually, what i'd really like to do would be have sshd running only when connected to a specific wlan00:18
lcukfor what reason specifically? power/cpu/security?00:19
BCMM_all of the above00:19
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BCMM_i know ssh is very secure, but mostly because it's better than carefully checking my ssh config00:20
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pahartikBCMM_: Maybe appropriate script at "/etc/network/if-post-down.d/" and "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/"...00:25
BCMM_thanks00:26
BCMM_oh, and presumably when i am online, on gprs, on a real IP, something will eventually find my ssh server and drain the battery trying to bruteforce it00:26
BCMM_hmm. do those sorts of bots usually give up if you don't allow password auth, or braindeadishly keep trying?00:27
pahartikBCMM_: My recent server logs... "resist-ssh-abuse" netfilter rule was triggered 27 times within 7 days... And it only covers single IPv4 address, no equivalent feature for IPv600:32
BCMM_pahartik: do you allow keyboard auth, or just keys?00:32
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pahartikBCMM_: Server rejects password authentication attempts... Netfilter rule just uses "DROP" on any connection attempts from source IP for while after few tries00:35
BCMM_bah, stupid botnets00:36
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lardmanre00:39
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pahartikBCMM_: If remote host keeps trying even though there is no response, "DROP" lifetime is refreshed each time...00:40
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pahartikBCMM_: For me, mostly using IPv6, protecting that as well would be good, but netfilter does not yet offer similar rule feature00:42
BCMM_pahartik: have you actually had people try to bruteforce your SSH over ipv6?00:43
BCMM_i assumed that they found hosts by trying random addresses, which wouldn't really fly with v600:43
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pahartikBCMM_: Not yet seen any signs of such at "/var/log/auth.log" of any host, but still... Most of my hosts have AAAA record on DNS00:46
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wazdheya again01:00
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wazdI've just faced the "no connection with original headset" problem, still no solution for it?01:02
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DocScrutinizerhostmode_while_charging PoC: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post92120301:15
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DocScrutinizerwazd: err, if you refer to what I think you do, then that's a hw-problem of the receptacle, IIRC01:23
GAN900Can decide whether cellmo is dying or AT&T is being shit.01:24
GAN900Keep losing all connection.01:24
DocScrutinizer:-/01:24
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DocScrutinizerhow are calls?01:25
javispedron900s are dying =)01:25
javispedromine just went into that "battery suddenly decided its empty even though it isn't" mode again01:25
DocScrutinizereeew01:26
lardmanplanned obsolescence perhaps? ;)01:27
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BCMM_lardman just discovered why BME is closed!01:27
* BCMM_ ducks01:27
lardman:)01:27
BCMM_javispedro's device is suffering from a bug. it was supposed to explode.01:28
* javispedro would prefer it to explode instead of having to reenter date&time, AGAIN.01:28
wazdslow pluging in the jack sorta fixed the problem with sound01:29
wazdbut not with handset detection in general01:29
javispedrowazd: dirty receptacle?01:29
BCMM_of course, this is evidence that the N900's successor is going on sale tomorrow. BRB, gotta tell TMO.01:30
* lardman curses the fact Samsung make you use drivers for mass storage01:30
wazdjavispedro: I highly doubt it01:30
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lardmanand drivers that apparently don't really work at that01:30
wazdjavispedro: I actually used wired headphones with my n900 like 7 or 8 times01:31
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javispedro:S01:31
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wazdoops01:31
wazdThe problem occurred right after I pluged out my headset while calling01:32
wazdso it's definitely some sort of software issue01:33
DocScrutinizerummm01:33
MohammadAGthe N900 likes to pick headphones on its own01:33
DocScrutinizernow if only we had atime01:33
MohammadAGthe N8's phones, while 3.5mm and work fine with my laptop, don't work on the N90001:33
DocScrutinizerwait, ctime should still work01:33
MohammadAGthey do show in dmesg01:34
javispedrohum01:34
javispedroI'm at this moment researching how to trick pulse into thinking its time to switch audio routing to headphones01:34
MohammadAGcan you do that to the earpiece too?01:34
javispedronot using the usual alsa method (which works fine but means you have to guess volumes)01:34
MohammadAGI like mono audio from the earpiece01:35
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: so yo da man to tell which files to check for bogus state01:35
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javispedroafaik, there's no editable files.01:35
javispedrothere's the "compiled" prolog rules that use hal events and the like to set a dbus message with "audio_actions" to pulse01:35
javispedroyou can actually see this message, just enable eavesdropping on system bus and run dbus-monitor01:36
DocScrutinizerthen there's no way this gets sticky on wazd 's N90001:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ping me on 26/101:36
DocScrutinizeruh?01:37
javispedrohttp://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blobs/master/src/dbusif.c#line60101:37
javispedrothis is the code that is linked to pulse on n900 and does it01:37
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sorry?01:39
MohammadAGhostmode01:41
MohammadAGh-e-n needs a shitload of updates01:41
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AurigaHowdy all...01:43
AurigaCan anyone help me with an hcitool: not found, error?01:43
lardmanare you root?01:44
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lardmando you have /usr/sbin in your path?01:45
AurigaYes01:45
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AurigaUhhh... I'm still learning linux & Maemo too, let me look....01:45
AurigaYes I do...01:45
Auriga& yes I am root01:45
lardmanjust give the full path to that dir and see if it's there01:45
MohammadAGwhich hcitool01:45
MohammadAGtype that01:45
Auriga?01:46
AurigaIt's a bluetooth app01:46
AurigaIs that what you mean?01:46
MohammadAG"which hcitool"01:46
MohammadAGit's a command01:46
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# which hcitool01:46
MohammadAG/usr/bin/hcitool01:46
AurigaIt just gives me another line...01:46
AurigaIt doesn't show me anything.01:47
AurigaIs there a switch for it?01:47
MohammadAGwell01:47
MohammadAGit certainly can't be not installed01:47
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MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# grep -r /usr/bin/hcitool /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list01:47
AurigaLol01:47
MohammadAG/var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.list:/usr/bin/hcitool01:47
AurigaWoah... slow down there...01:47
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AurigaWhat is that?01:47
MohammadAGit shows which package it's part of01:48
MohammadAGif you have bluez installed01:48
MohammadAGit should be there01:48
AurigaWhat is bluez?01:48
AurigaIs that the wifi over bluetooth?01:48
MohammadAGbluetooth stack01:48
AurigaUhhh... for desktop support?01:49
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AurigaSorry I'm noob... I hate d work but it applies...01:49
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AurigaANythoughts...01:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (h-e-n needs a shitload of updates) indeed01:50
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MohammadAGthe stack allows you to use bluetooth01:51
AurigaMoi?01:51
MohammadAGwithout it, bt wouldn't work01:51
AurigaRight okay...01:51
javispedrogood time to reflash01:51
AurigaBut my bluetooth does work in terms of transfering files.01:51
MohammadAGit shouldn't work01:51
AurigaWell it does...01:51
AurigaSo what now lol...01:52
Auriga?01:52
javispedroAuriga: what are you asking this?01:52
javispedro*why01:52
javispedroie what do you want to do?01:52
nox-are you even running maemo?01:52
nox-:)01:52
AurigaWhat's a Maemo?01:53
Aurigalol01:53
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AurigaYes I am it's on an n800 though.01:53
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DocScrutinizerwut?01:56
AurigaJavispedro, as to why, I would rather not say as it might attract attention & give the wrong idea, so you work it out...01:56
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DocScrutinizerAuriga: you're aware there are slight diffs between maemo5-fremantle and whatever version of maemo3/4 you got on N800?01:57
AurigaYes...01:57
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AurigaWhere are you going with that?01:57
DocScrutinizerAuriga: so my advice is you clearly state the fact you're talking about N800 when asking here01:58
DocScrutinizerAuriga: as answers based on fremantle won't help - evidently01:58
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javispedrogive the wrong idea is what probably what will happen now =)01:59
DocScrutinizerexactly01:59
javispedroeither way, pre-fremantle the little bluez apps (hcitool,rfcomm) weren't ported to the new dbus api so you're going to have to use the raw dbus api02:00
AurigaI'm confused... Can you help or not?02:00
javispedrowhich is pain02:00
DocScrutinizerAuriga: check:02:00
DocScrutinizer~question02:00
infobotit has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html02:00
AurigaOkay... This is soundling like it would be hard work for you to help me...02:00
AurigaSo Javispedro, thank you for your input it's appreciated.02:01
DocScrutinizerAuriga: It's not what I'm in here for02:01
javispedroyes -- my suggestion: avoid the step that requires hcitool in whatever long-term plan you had in mind02:01
javispedrootherwise, search talk.maemo.org for dbus bluez or similar keywords02:01
AurigaJavispedro, thank you for pointing me in some kind of direction. It's greatly appreciated. Thank you.02:02
javispedroI keep it that if you tell us the long term plan there's a great chance someone will simplify it for you02:02
javispedrovery probably, there's no need for hcitool and you can use the GUI to connect02:02
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: he's not even willing to tell the OS version he's using02:03
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DocScrutinizertime sink02:03
* lardman curses windows as he's probably going to need to reboot02:04
lardmanarse!02:04
AurigaDocscritizer I'm not even bothering with you as you started to almost insult me when you obviously missed the part where I said which I was using, after I was asked... Which would be fine has I insulted you first...02:04
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lardmanAuriga: what are you trying to do that requires hcitool?02:05
DocScrutinizerAuriga: if you think I insulted you, then re-read your own statements that sound like we are obliged to help. We are NOT, and I gave reasonable advice to you as it's obvious you are new to IRC. No insult intended nor any detectable to me02:07
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AurigaWell all I can say is that you misinterpreted what was said, & while yes I am relatively new to irc in that I don't use it often, I do not feel anyone is obliged to help, as far as I am concerned, if someone has a question, they should ask, which I did. If you don't want to help, then fine it's okay. But don't start on people, as then you end up in aimless conversations like this that ironically accomplish nothing productive.02:15
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DocScrutinizerAuriga: the point is all the other conversation also was completely pointless, as everybody assumed you're talking about maemo5 on N900, while you just dropped a sidenote for the fact you are actually on N800, probably on maemo4-diablo or something even older02:18
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DocScrutinizerAuriga: we are willing to help, if you are willing to feed us with sufficient info so we *can* help02:19
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DocScrutinizerasking "are you actually running maemo" is a pun, not meant to be the standard procedure to help you out of your problem02:20
DocScrutinizerand now that we know you are on a system where hcitool is not available, we actually reached a dead end with helping you, as we can't suggest alternatives due to the fact we don't know what you want to do with hcitool02:22
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DocScrutinizerso again, I suggest you read that fine introduction found in02:24
DocScrutinizer~question02:24
infobotwell, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html02:24
* lardman hits the sack, night all02:24
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DocScrutinizerit will help you to get the answers to your problems02:24
DocScrutinizern8 lardman|gone02:25
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DocScrutinizerAuriga: maybe http://www.gnurou.org/writing/smartquestionsfr is more the one you'd like02:26
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javispedrotrying to send a ia{saa{sv}} via dbus glib is madness02:37
javispedrothat is, in laymans terms, a "struct having a integer and a dictionary of strings mappings to arrays of arrays of structs having a string and a unknown type".02:39
SpeedEvilaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!02:40
* SpeedEvil runs.02:40
DocScrutinizer*shudder*02:40
nox-eww02:40
* javispedro ditches glib and goes dbus low level api directly..02:41
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nice charging post :p02:56
* MohammadAG wonders if we could plug it into h-e-n gui02:57
javispedrowell, the pieces are out there for jrbme to begin existing as an independent daemon02:58
javispedrowhy is that not happening? :)02:58
* SpeedEvil sponsors javispedro one shiny biscuit to make it happen.02:58
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javispedroso it's just missing man-hours then I guess :P02:59
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MohammadAGpretty much03:00
jacekowskiMohammadAG: post?03:02
MohammadAGpost on tmo03:03
jacekowskilink03:03
MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921203&postcount=64703:03
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jacekowskisleep time03:04
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sure, that's what I had in mind (among other things) when I asked you if you had some time to improve h-e-n gui03:11
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, does the script exit on battery full?03:14
DocScrutinizeryes, but that won't happen during hostmode I guess, as "battery full" here means "system drawing <xx mA"03:15
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: this is a really just 10 min PoC. And even stripped down for publication. I mentioned the improved booston/boostoff/jrbme script I'm using here. It needs a bit more love and cleanup, but will replace the charging script as well, when finished03:16
MohammadAGI see03:18
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javispedrooh no03:33
* javispedro looks at clock03:33
javispedrodamn, I want that time stopper gizmo.03:33
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javispedroDBUS_TYPE_STRING_AS_STRING03:45
javispedroI really wish to share the pain of this with you =)03:45
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks :-P03:46
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* MohammadAG introduces javispedro to the Qt-side03:49
javispedrowell, I'm trying to avoid the Glib bindings because I'd have to build a billion GHashTables03:50
javispedrothen destroy them all.03:50
javispedroso I can send a single string to the nokia policy daemon =)03:50
DocScrutinizersounds like a brilliant concept03:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, 26/1 is the day I finish my exams :p03:56
DocScrutinizerthought as much :-)03:57
MohammadAGI think I joined the channel around this time last year :)03:57
javispedrosurely you regret that =)04:00
MohammadAGactually no, I was an uber noob back then :P04:01
MohammadAGMaemohammadAGrunning low on root space. how can i check which apps are installed to root04:01
MohammadAGsee? noob04:02
javispedroaha!04:02
javispedroMaemohammadMediaPlayer04:02
MohammadAG:p04:02
javispedrofinally found a good name :P04:03
MohammadAGat least I knew about scratchbox back then :P04:04
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MohammadAGhmm04:04
MohammadAGjebba was around when I joined04:04
javispedroMohammadAG: your initial question was met with silence. how ironic =)04:06
MohammadAGhmm indeed, I remember I got the N900 on 28/12, but I was here from 27 (or before)04:06
javispedroor, how cute :)04:06
MohammadAGhah04:07
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MohammadAGjavispedro, actually, I was told to fuck off once04:09
MohammadAGor something similar04:09
MohammadAGI think it was timeless :p04:09
MohammadAG2010-03-20 (Saturday):04:12
MohammadAG* DocScrutinizer wondering if tmo thread of mohammadag got deleted02:4504:12
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MohammadAGheh04:12
MohammadAGit's fun reading logs :p04:12
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javispedroMohammadAG: tell that to me04:14
MohammadAGjavispedro, it's fun reading logs04:14
MohammadAGhappy? :p04:14
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javispedroyes.04:17
MohammadAGinteresting04:17
MohammadAGqwerty12 left IRC 9 days before I joinde04:17
MohammadAGjoined even04:17
javispedrooh.04:17
* javispedro suddenly realizes something04:18
javispedroMohammadAG: YOU are qwerty12!04:18
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MohammadAGjavispedro, age similarity should've given it away04:19
javispedroyou KNOW it's true, listen to your heart!04:19
* MohammadAG listens04:19
MohammadAGit says thump thump04:19
MohammadAGis that a yes or a no?04:19
MohammadAG~mohammadag04:21
infoboti guess mohammadag is your father04:21
javispedrothump thump means "Not now damn it!"04:21
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MohammadAGjavispedro, should I shout at it?04:22
b-man_lol04:22
MohammadAGssh localhost@me kill -11 104:23
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javispedroclearly, those were the days04:41
MohammadAG... that I missed04:44
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Termanagood morning04:48
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javispedrohi Termana04:48
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DocScrutinizertime for 1264843005:03
javispedrowhere the hell have all the fremantle -dbg packages gone?05:05
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> time for 1264843005:05
MohammadAG-dbg packages went for that ^05:05
DocScrutinizeryou just need a printf05:05
DocScrutinizer:-)05:05
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* DocScrutinizer throws a "%0x" at MohammadAG05:06
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MohammadAGwhat's the syntax again? :P05:07
javispedroharl, so I need to add the sdk repo to device05:07
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javispedrodanger will robinson05:07
DocScrutinizernah wait. I recall I got another used defined command for that:05:08
DocScrutinizerprintf "x\n" 1264843005:08
DocScrutinizerdammit05:08
DocScrutinizerbastard ate my %05:09
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DocScrutinizerStatus: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4172 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 %05:14
DocScrutinizerStatus: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4172 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 %05:14
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: now you can watch all episodes of DrHouse without swapping battery :-D05:14
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DocScrutinizerthat script though... Rather hackerish interface05:16
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MohammadAGwell05:16
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MohammadAGthe GUI could me made to read new lines05:16
MohammadAGthen update some labels05:16
MohammadAGusing strip05:16
DocScrutinizernah, we're definitely not interested in that kinda stuff05:17
DocScrutinizerif you want to know about battery status, you call "jrbme query battery" and read out /var/jrbme/charge, or you call "jrbme list battery" and parse the STDOUT05:18
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KilrooI wonder if a class 10 microsd will be fast enough that I won't care about partitioning my internal memory for other operating systems.05:19
DocScrutinizertake the cmd syntax with a grain of salt, that's one of the parts that definitely need some streamlining05:19
KilrooSpeaking of which, in case it's a useful link for anyone, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682022054705:21
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javispedrosuccess!05:24
javispedropulse now thinks I have headphones05:24
MohammadAGawesomesauce05:24
* javispedro dances05:26
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you found that time anihilator machine?05:26
MohammadAGjavispedro, now do the earpiece!05:26
javispedroMohammadAG: is there a difference from the mixer PoV?05:26
DocScrutinizergood question :-P05:27
MohammadAGno, it just does some switch switches afaik05:27
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javispedrotheoretically PA policy also controls input (meaning I should use this to switch between fmrx and microphone instead of alsa mixer hacks)05:27
javispedro(and headset microphone, if any)05:27
DocScrutinizerhow's e.g recall doing it?05:27
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DocScrutinizerusing just default?05:28
javispedrogood question, let's download it05:28
KilrooSpeaking of headphones, is there a way to make the n900 play music through the external speakers when a bluetooth headset is paired with it?05:28
javispedroDocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/recaller/  ?05:28
KilrooI should google that, but I just thought of it.05:28
javispedroKilroo: sure, I do not know of any "packaged" solution but for example using the method I'm researching you could05:29
KilrooOh, cool.05:29
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: yes prolly05:29
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DocScrutinizerallegedly ringtones go to speakers no matter if headset is wired or BT05:31
javispedroand alarm sounds05:31
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: that one app doesn't do any mixing, it just records from either hw0 (mic/headset mic), hw1 (bt), or pulseaudio feedback ("system")05:32
psycho_oreosringtones and alarm sounds goes straight to my BT headset. alarm sounds goes to my FM transmitter as well if that's enabled05:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I wish we had such awesome pages for N900: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem05:33
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javispedroat least I think I'm starting to understand the fmrx and speakers+headphones part05:34
javispedro(not going into the phone area)05:34
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I started trying to write notes for it, but my head exploded.05:35
DocScrutinizerhehe, yeah05:36
javispedrothe fully-analog fm bypass does work05:36
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KilrooI was amused at myself last week when I finally found out that the little square thing that didn't seem to be there for a reason was an infrared transmitter...05:40
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javispedrowhat would "ifh" mean here05:42
javispedro"ihf"05:42
MohammadAGi had fun05:43
javispedro=)05:45
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MohammadAGwhat's the time in barcelona anyways05:45
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SpeedEvil2:45?05:45
javispedroyou don't want to know.05:46
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MohammadAGjavispedro,05:46
MohammadAGSun, 16 Jan 2011, 05:46:50 IST05:46
MohammadAGI do05:46
MohammadAG:P05:46
javispedronope, CEST.05:47
MohammadAG..05:47
MohammadAGI meant it can't be worse than my time05:47
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DocScrutinizerwhat, you already got S in Barcelona?05:50
javispedroerrr not.05:50
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javispedroeither way, now that due to MohammadAG's fault Real Life has crashed into my hacking session it's time to call it a day.05:53
MohammadAGjavispedro, want some insurance?05:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you did  not get the timewharp machine running05:54
MohammadAGit's only $50 a minute05:54
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: I didn't, sadly :(05:55
DocScrutinizerlooking forward to PA-fsckd-for05:55
DocScrutinizerGOOD05:55
javispedrothis one is actually about using PA =)05:55
DocScrutinizeryeah, you can't use PA, you have to ABUSE it05:56
javispedrotouché05:56
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* DocScrutinizer ponders really really bad kernel hacking, to teach the bitch bme who's master05:58
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DocScrutinizerwrite to /dev/kmem XP05:59
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DocScrutinizerso naaaaaaasty I start to like the idea06:00
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DocScrutinizernah, probably I'll stay with my plan to talk some gifted C coder into creating a LD_PRELOAD'able fake_fopen.so, to divert all fopen() and sibling calls to some different pathname, with a little help of a set of regex-substitutions for the fopen() path parameter. Kind of a path-selective chroot, well kinda06:14
DocScrutinizeror... duh... even code that shit myself06:14
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DocScrutinizerFILE *fopen(const char *path, const char *mode) {return( real_fopen( regex_subst( getenv( "FAKE_FOPEN_REGEX"), path), mode); };06:22
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DocScrutinizermight actually get a fairly short sourcecode :-)06:23
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MrBawbDocScrutinizer: LD_PRELOAD is easy: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/ldpreload/libnat64.c06:28
DocScrutinizerof course I also could use gdb, and modify the interesting code snippets06:28
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DocScrutinizermeh,06:29
DocScrutinizerServer Error06:29
DocScrutinizer The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.06:29
MrBawbhm. google not giving you the source?06:30
DocScrutinizerI bet it's easy, once you know the magic --foobars for gcc06:30
MrBawbhttp://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/ldpreload/Makefile06:30
MrBawbthose are the --foobars06:30
DocScrutinizersame06:30
MrBawbheh06:30
MrBawbyou have hg?06:30
DocScrutinizernah06:32
DocScrutinizerIf I had, would I search for somebody to do this silly bit of cosing for me? :-)06:32
DocScrutinizercoding even06:32
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MrBawbhm06:34
DocScrutinizercode.google.com hates me06:34
MrBawblet me see what I can do06:34
DocScrutinizerprobably doesn't like konqueror :-P06:35
DocScrutinizerrrrrrright :-P06:35
DocScrutinizerFF works06:35
DocScrutinizercode.google.com hates konqui06:36
ieatlintmost of us hate konqueror... not sure we can really hold it against google06:36
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MrBawbDocScrutinizer: http://dan.drown.org/libfopen.tar.gz06:44
DocScrutinizero.O06:44
MrBawbLD_PRELOAD=./libfopen.so cut -d" " -f1 Makefile06:44
MrBawbfopen64 with Makefile06:44
DocScrutinizerthanks mate :-D06:45
DocScrutinizercool, the rest is c&p :-)06:46
ieatlintso hey, you got the magstripe reader doc?06:46
DocScrutinizeryep06:46
DocScrutinizernice06:46
DocScrutinizer:-)06:46
ieatlint:)06:46
ieatlintglad it works for you06:46
DocScrutinizernah, I need the link to your app to test it06:47
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ieatlinthttp://maemo.org/packages/view/magread/06:47
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DocScrutinizerjust used recorder to get funny scratching sound :-P06:47
ieatlinti'll be pushing a new version in the not too distant future that will had a handful of features06:47
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ieatlintbut that's in extras-testing, and source is up there to verify i'm not doing anything nefarious with the recorded date (which isn't kept at all..)06:48
ieatlintalterego was smart enough to check before running his CC with my app, haha06:48
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ieatlintalso, the software works when swiped either direction, but it works better when swiped right to left, as that's how the data is written06:51
ieatlintand the relative of "right" is based on the magstripe on the card being on top and facing you (as in the icon for the app)06:51
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: WTF?!07:00
DocScrutinizert900:~# i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x0007:01
DocScrutinizer0x5607:01
DocScrutinizerafter killing your chargescript - also LED steady amber (= recovery charge?)07:01
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: got that07:02
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DocScrutinizer0x56 = in-progress || timer-fault || enable-stat-pin07:06
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DocScrutinizerfunny bit is bq24150 is actually providing charge, probably 100mA according to r01=0x30 - though Vbat=417007:08
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DocScrutinizernah, screw that - it stopped providing charge07:09
RobbieThe1stHeh - *someone* lost a bet - I got my new screen, and my N900's now working again! http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2696-small.jpeg07:10
DocScrutinizerit did however:07:10
DocScrutinizerAverage Current: 3 mA07:10
DocScrutinizerTTF: 4 minutes TTE: 65535 minutes07:10
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: ugh, what's that?07:22
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RobbieThe1stUh... what? Just a picture of my desktop, with no cracks(unlike the last couple of pictures)07:24
RobbieThe1stsee http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2669-small.jpeg07:25
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RobbieThe1stDocScrutinizer: Perhaps I should explain. Back when I talked about my LCD getting cracked, a couple of people were betting I couldn't replace it. Others said I could. So... I had to show off my (simple) acomplishment,07:31
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SpeedEvilI think I may have said that it's not risk free.07:32
SpeedEvilBut congrats.07:32
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: works great07:37
ieatlint:)07:37
ieatlintand now you have another random feature of your n900 that may not be usable, but is somewhat eye catching and fun to show off07:38
ieatlintusable/useful07:38
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly07:38
ieatlintunless you want to skim people's credit cards07:38
ieatlintthen it's awesome07:39
DocScrutinizeractually it's useful as I found out my china air miles&more card isn't readable07:39
SpeedEvilieatlint: usability fail though.07:39
ieatlintif you swipe a card, and it doesn't even say "bad swipe", then it means the track is blank07:40
DocScrutinizeranyway, thumbs up07:40
SpeedEvilieatlint: you should hack the reader into the n900 so you can swipe it through the n900 between the keyboard and screen.07:40
ieatlintSpeedEvil: i'll get right on that :P07:40
DocScrutinizerieatlint: it says "bad swipe"07:40
ieatlintthen there is something there07:40
ieatlintbut it may not be a known encoding scheme07:40
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: nice :-D07:40
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, 0x56: enable stat pin, charge in progress, poor input source or vbus ?07:41
DocScrutinizeryep07:41
ShadowJKoh maybe it's timer fault indeed07:41
DocScrutinizertimer fault07:41
ShadowJKBut that would be expected if you killed the script07:41
DocScrutinizeryes, what's not expected though is it keeping charging for at least some 60s07:42
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ShadowJKthe watchdog timer is kinda inaccurate07:42
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DocScrutinizerwell, maybe even that. The yellow LED baffled me07:42
DocScrutinizerthat might be related to hostmode being active :-)07:43
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ShadowJKNah, yellow led is what would happen if: there's no software controlling bq2415 && vbus is high07:43
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I hope you won't mind me shamelessly stealing from that script, for jrbme07:44
ShadowJKheh07:44
ShadowJKI should probably upload current version somewhere07:44
ShadowJKwhich one are you using?07:44
DocScrutinizererr, I guess the one you got on jk/charge/*07:44
ShadowJKoh07:45
DocScrutinizeroh?07:45
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: for the card that is having issues reading, try checking he "show partial read" box and seeing if anything comes up07:46
ieatlintthat box will show you data that matches some checksums but fails at the LRC07:46
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post92120307:47
ieatlint(try swiping something like a credit card half-way, and you'll see half the cc number)07:47
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I did, from very beginning :-D07:47
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ieatlintok :)07:47
ieatlintam throwing together a tips page now to cover a bunch of random things07:48
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ShadowJKoh that script isn't terribly out of date afterall I guess07:51
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: anyway kinda strange it takes two starts07:53
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: http://blog.tehinterweb.com/?p=147 has a long and poorly formatted list of "tips" for using the application07:55
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DocScrutinizer:-D08:24
DocScrutinizerStatus: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4161 NAC: 1970 Battery level: 96 %08:24
DocScrutinizerStatus: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4153 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 %08:24
DocScrutinizerstill in hostmode, screen on. Since err, 10h?08:24
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chxDocScrutinizer: nice job08:35
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ShadowJKhm, I'm not sure if my system load estimation is accurate on my new N900 :)08:46
jpinxShadowJK: run at a youtube video and watch the meter ;)08:48
ShadowJKNo I'm waiting for charge to terminate, then the charger's current goes away and hopefully the battery drain rate matches the estimated rate from before08:49
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, conky is kinda meh09:05
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yinghi all09:14
yingsomebody there for a short question?09:14
yingneed some help ;)09:14
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ShadowJKthe answer is 4209:17
ying?09:18
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yingis it possible to increase the volume in a telephone call09:20
ying?09:20
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SwedeMikeying: yes.09:23
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SwedeMikeying: you just change the volume with the volume buttons.09:24
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SpeedEvilor yell.09:25
ShadowJKDo note that when you are talking on the phone, you press the volume button upwards09:25
yingk thx i will try it out09:26
yingjust give me a second09:26
ying;)09:26
* SpeedEvil ponders the eternal question.09:27
ShadowJK(so it's "reversed" from what they do in landscape mode, where left = less volume/less zoom and right 0 more volume/more zoom)09:27
SpeedEvilOne-off-glitch, or impending doom.09:27
SpeedEvilScreen kept freezing, with lots of SGX recovery till I rebooted.09:27
SwedeMikeoh btw, I'm running PR1.3 with the power kernel, are there new fixes for the "screen glitch when getting a call"? where can I find these "community fixes", are they collected on a single page somewhere?09:29
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yingso thx a lot see you09:29
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yinghi again09:59
yingone more question09:59
yinghow can i deaktivate the menu button so maemo doesn't react on it while it is locked09:59
ying?10:00
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ShadowJKthe menu button?10:00
yingthe on off button10:00
ShadowJKah10:00
ShadowJKno idea, mine shows the unlock slider and I use it to check the time :)10:01
SpeedEvilI don't think you can.10:01
SpeedEvilAt least - pressing and holding it will always reset the device at a pretty low level.10:01
yinghmm because i have a pocket for my n90010:01
yingeverytime if i put it in10:01
yingit touches that button10:01
yingand the display goes on10:01
SpeedEvilAh.10:02
SpeedEvilI'd return the case for being broken.10:02
yinghmm to bad it's to old to return it10:02
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SpeedEvilcan you physically modify the case to put less pressure on that area?10:03
yingno10:03
yinghttp://www.amazon.de/BUGATTI-Luxus-Tasche-Neopren-Nokia/dp/B002P8TAKG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1295164989&sr=8-310:03
yinghmm to bad10:04
yingi have to live with it10:05
yingk see you10:05
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yingbye10:05
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kerioor... don't use a cover?10:05
kerioi mean, pretty much any pair of pants has some pockets10:05
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Venemo_N900good morning10:19
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Pillumgood morning10:26
PillumMohammadAG: when is the estimated release of your opensource media player clone?10:27
Venemo_N900Pillum: end of january afaik10:29
Pillumoh10:30
Pillumokay thans10:30
Pillumk*10:31
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kpomanhello !11:33
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kpomancan someone help me on the last step of setting up the sdk on my ubuntu box ? i get errors when launching the UI11:33
kpomanposted here: http://pastebin.com/6VFaneLT11:34
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rcg1MohammadAG: ping11:42
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rcg1MohammadAG: I created a small patch for your mediabar which enables to freely set the placement: http://pastebin.com/Z3zXXZB911:43
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kpomananyone ?11:49
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lardmanmorning chaps11:50
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korhojoa_hey guys.12:05
RST38hlardman: another defector! =)12:05
korhojoa_so, i flashed my phone, because restoring a backup failed somehow, and it didn't boot anymore12:05
korhojoa_now when it boots, it keeps crashing? wtf?12:06
lardmanRST38h: well my N900 is broken so I need something to mess about with12:06
lardmanand I'm going to try some Meego porting anyway12:06
Psiso i want to get rid of my current easydebian image and get a fresh one. which package do i remove and reinstall  "easy debian" or "easy-chroot" ?12:07
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kpomansomeone in ?12:11
kpoman:s12:11
lardmanyes12:12
lardmanPsi: probably easy-debian12:12
kpomanhi lardman, can you help me a bit setting up the sb ?12:12
lardmanurgh12:12
lardmanI can try12:12
Psilardman: yeah, i decided to remove both, reboot and delete the image. That way i know im getting everything new when i reinstall12:13
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kpomanok, right now I have lot of not found cmd http://pastebin.com/NygegTpY12:13
lardmanhave you installed the rootfs?12:14
kpomanlardman: i followed all without any problem from here: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners12:15
kpomanuntil the part where it launches Xephyr12:15
kpomanthen af-sb-init.sh start fails12:16
lardmanyeah, it apparently can't find any binaries12:16
kpomanfirst it complained about missing qemu binaries12:16
kpomanlardman however they are there ! I can run them by hand12:16
lardmanin sb that is?12:17
kpomanyep12:17
kpomanI did /scratchbox/login12:17
kpomanI then activate target ARMEL which I downloaded already12:18
lardmanyep12:18
lardmanand once you've done that you can "cd" and do other basic tasks?12:18
kpomanyep they all work12:18
lardmanactually whoami would be one to check12:18
kpomanboth run, with and without path12:19
lardmanok, well I'd have a look at the af-sb-init.sh script12:19
lardmanI don't run the ui ever in sb, so I can't really help with specifics12:19
kpomanthe strange thing is there is no such line, line 1 for example12:19
kpomanthere are comments there12:19
lardmanI did think that the UI doesn't run in armel though12:20
kpomanSo I should download for x86 ?12:20
kpomanlet me try to download the stuff12:20
lardmanwell the example page you're going from tells you to switch to x86 mode if you want to start the UI12:20
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kpomanlardman: this is to be able to test ? how should I make a binary for armel if I cannot test it on an emulator ?12:22
kpomanI am downloading x86 right now let me see if this works12:23
lardmanyou make it for x86, test in the emu, make for armel, move to device12:23
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kpomanlardman: ok, let me see :)12:24
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kpomanlardman: nice, it worked !12:28
kpoman:)12:28
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kpomanlardman: do you know how do I make it install all the software bundled on the phone ?12:29
kpomanI mean it is completely empty right now12:29
lardmanyou can't install that software12:29
korhojoa_guys, any ideas on how to restore old messages from a rsync backup i made?12:31
kpomanwhy ? isnt there an x86 version of all of those ?12:31
korhojoa_I sent in my phone for repairs, but seeing as it came back a entirely different hw revision, the emmc did not contain my device backups anymore12:31
kpomanlardman: and also is there a way to allow it to access the internet ?12:32
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ShadowJKheh12:37
ShadowJKI rsyncd contents back to n900, then used the backup utility for restore12:37
lardmankpoman: yeah, it should work by default afair, but you can fiddle with resolv.conf iirc12:38
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korhojoa_ShadowJK: yeah, well. hm.12:43
korhojoa_i tried restarting after i rsynced stuff back12:43
korhojoa_turns out, it doesn't boot12:44
korhojoa_i might try doing the backup and copying stuff over now after i've done the rsync, without a restart, hope for the best and all that.12:44
korhojoa_maybe reflashing the kernel might help? i'll try that too, after getting the backup file.12:44
ArkenoiI wish could run n900 IM client over X11 on my desktop to keep history and accounts in one place. I guess it is not possible atm?12:44
ShadowJKI only rsynced /home/user12:44
korhojoa_ah. did that save your messages?12:45
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ShadowJKWith the rsync of /home, the backups by backup utility also came back12:48
ShadowJKI did restore from backup utility after rsync12:48
ShadowJKafter the reboot messages were back12:48
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ShadowJKI think the backup utility is more reliable, because it tells conversations and such to save and exit, before backup restores their database files12:49
korhojoa_ShadowJK: ah, well. /home includes MyDocs for you?12:50
ShadowJKyes12:50
korhojoa_ShadowJK: agreed, I know. Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of those backups.12:50
ShadowJK:(12:50
korhojoa_So I guess it's rsync time again, and now without a reboot to make a backup and then restore it. in hopes of not making everything blow up.12:51
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RobbieThe1stWait.12:52
RobbieThe1stDo just a reflash of the rootfs, then see if the backups still exist12:52
RobbieThe1stthey probably will12:52
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korhojoa_Does anyone know why there's a Mac OS directory on the vanilla emmc?12:52
korhojoa_RobbieThe1st: huh? There aren't any backups, this is a replacement phone. The different HW version even states that.12:52
psycho_oreosits for n900 owners who wants to connect their device to Mac machines12:52
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korhojoa_Mac OS creates that when you connect it, but why does it exist on there, when nokia doesn't even have a management application for macs?12:53
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RobbieThe1stkorhojoa_: But you resync'd it, didn't you?12:53
RobbieThe1st*rsync'd12:53
RobbieThe1stSo, the backup files would have been copied to the phone, but more than likely you screwed some boot file on the Optfs up in the process.12:54
psycho_oreosits probably a place holder in case mac os is about to create it12:54
psycho_oreosI don't see the point of fussing over a directory sitting there12:54
korhojoa_RobbieThe1st: rsync'd what?12:54
korhojoa_There are no backup files, since there's no MyDocs in my backup.12:55
RobbieThe1stOh, wait.12:55
RobbieThe1stI confused you and ShadowJK12:55
korhojoa_RSYNC TIME! *sigh*12:56
RobbieThe1stBtw, I suggest BackupMenu for all future backup stuff. But I'm biased.12:56
korhojoa_argh. first need to install ssh and rsync... :p12:57
korhojoa_yes, I'd have used that too, if i'd have a good version of it usable when my phone broke12:57
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korhojoa_unfortunately, it was a while ago, and backupmenu really wasn't ready for usage12:57
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ShadowJKWhat happened to your phone btw?12:57
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korhojoa_microusb of course. what else can happen to them? :D12:58
RobbieThe1stIf you had any backup files, we can probably get something out of them if needed...12:58
ShadowJKmy old one has broken cellular :)12:58
korhojoa_wow, how did that happen?12:58
korhojoa_RobbieThe1st: i've got / with the exception of useless things like /dev and /proc and whatever. also, /home/user/MyDocs12:59
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, how long did it take to get a replacement? I assume you sent it in through a nokia care authorized service point or through the people you nought it from?12:59
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korhojoa_authorized care center12:59
korhojoa_three weeks or so12:59
RobbieThe1stGood, good.12:59
ShadowJKI sent mine trhough care center, took 2 weeks and came back still broken without explanation :(12:59
korhojoa_what? that's pretty nasty13:00
RobbieThe1stI broke the screen on mine. Took 16 days for shipping a replacement from Hong Kong.13:00
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korhojoa_I got mine back with a note saying "replacement phone". That's all. I didn't pick it up though, dad did, he sent in his E75 also13:00
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korhojoa_haha. that's pretty nice.13:00
korhojoa_seeing as I live in finland, and it took longer for me.13:00
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, it works if I hold it still. If they just put it into jig and ran diagnostics they wouldn't have noticed the brokenness13:01
ShadowJKit only breaks if I move it, or if I'm pressing too hard on the keys13:01
korhojoa_did you send it back and tell them to fix the damn thing? i would have13:01
korhojoa_cell desoldered itself, strange. did you get it too hot or something?13:01
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korhojoa_well. there it goes.13:03
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korhojoa_I find it strange that people don't use the -P and -z options when using rsy13:04
korhojoa_+nc13:04
ShadowJKthere was that one time when I was running Navigation, screen on continously, and 3g streaming internet radio with fm transmitter for 2 hours with charger13:04
ShadowJKit was uncomfortably hot after that13:04
ShadowJK-avP -z -e 'ssh -c arcfour'13:04
ShadowJK:)13:04
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korhojoa_why not -avPze 'ssh -c arcfour'13:05
ShadowJK*shrug* :)13:06
korhojoa_? :D13:06
korhojoa_I run navigation constantly, with 3g streaming internet radio and the fmtx for ~4 hours when i drive to my parents13:06
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korhojoa_i do that maybe once or twice a month13:07
korhojoa_of course, screen on. can't do it with the car charger though, the battery goes flat. the wall charger manages to keep it from discharging, but doesn't charge it either13:07
korhojoa_so i have to keep a inverter in the car, which is a bit dumb, but eh. could one make a charger with enough juice to let the phone do all this stuff without having it die from lack of power? or will the charging circuits not be able to take more than 1.2A13:08
ShadowJKI used the DC-10, it's 1200mA and battery was 66% when I arrived, left with full battery :)13:08
korhojoa_wow, hm. strange. is that their highest-power charger?13:09
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korhojoa_I'm currently seeing something like this being transferred, is there a way to find the directory for the messages in conversations too?home/user/.modest/cache/mail/imap/korhojoa__imap.gmail.com_993/folders/INBOX/4445.~ 1638400  23%  127.14kB/s    0:00:4113:11
ShadowJKI think conversations is one big database13:12
korhojoa_http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-charging-plate-dt-600 ooh. this seems fun. (i got stuck on looking up chargers for the phone)13:12
korhojoa_yeah, that's what i thought too. I just don't know where the files are. I hope that they're not on the emmc, because then they're gone :<13:13
ShadowJKit's just a table with lots of outputs13:13
ShadowJK:P13:13
korhojoa_yup, i realize.13:14
ShadowJKwhen I first saw it I thought it's be wireless charging :(13:14
ShadowJKbut it's cool that nokia is also coming out with external battery chargers13:15
korhojoa_same here :< i wish they would start putting it in their phones. would really put them ahead13:15
ShadowJKinstead of the explode-my-battery chinese ones13:15
korhojoa_hahaha. there's a nokia bicycle charger kit13:15
ShadowJKbut they'll probably add a 0 to the price as usual, so people will be using dubious crap, and inverter+wallcharger instead of a real carcharger :)13:16
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MohammadAGi'm sure the rate of discharge will be a lot bigger than that of charging13:16
ShadowJKbecause their DC-10 IS pretty expensive compared to getting an inverter13:16
Venemo_N900hey guys13:16
MohammadAGyo13:16
kpomanlardman: i do see openssh however I dont know which ip has the virtual os13:16
korhojoa_the bicycle in the picture for the bicycle charger is a finnish military one :D13:16
MohammadAGlol13:17
korhojoa_MohammadAG: always? the charging circuits can't handle enough current?13:17
lardmankpoman: does it matter, surely all you need is for apt-get to work?13:17
MohammadAGno, your legs can't handle enough cycling to power an N90013:18
korhojoa_hilarious. http://europe.nokia.com/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/Misc/Nokia_Bicycle_Charger_Kit/Overview/Nokia_Bicycle_Charger_Kit_overview3_604x604.png13:18
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kpomanlardman: internet access is not working on the virtual. I want to configure its network, however I dont have the xterm package on the app list13:18
kpomanlardman: so how do I check what is going on on the network of the virt13:19
lardman /scratchbox/login gives you a term....13:19
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jonaskoelkerHi all.  Whenever I edit my hildon desktop menu, it reverts to the default menu but without the "other..." item in the bottom right corner.  What gives?  Editing also removes <Include><All/></Include> from my ~/.config/menus/hildon.menu ...13:19
Venemo_N900guys, is there anyone who managed to get any of the 3 MSN plugins working?13:20
jonaskoelkerI'v had mymenu and catorise installed, but not at the same time (IIRC)13:20
kpomanlardman: ifconfig on that sb prompt shows my host ip, not the gues13:20
kpomant13:20
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, pecan works fine13:20
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: has my favourite bug been fixed in it?13:20
MohammadAGno :P13:21
korhojoa_MohammadAG: oh, that's why you have a electric bike.13:21
lardmankpoman: well it uses the same connection I imagine13:21
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: so it is still totally unusable :(13:21
MohammadAGa tredmill can probably charge the N90013:21
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: does the bug occour to you too?13:22
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MohammadAGnope, pecan works fine13:23
MohammadAGhaze otoh...13:23
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: otoh?13:23
MohammadAG~wtf otoh13:23
infobotOTOH: on the other hand13:23
MohammadAG:)13:23
Venemo_N900thx13:23
MohammadAGbrb :P13:23
Venemo_N900I used Butterfly, but that ceased to work some time ago13:24
jonaskoelkerI have converted MyDocs to ext3; how can I automount it on startup?13:24
ShadowJKN900 usually only takes 950mA charging current13:25
valdynjonaskoelker: fix /etc/fstab ?13:25
ShadowJKthe charging circuit can be programmed for 1250mA, but stuff starts getting kinda hot at that13:26
korhojoa_well they're pretty hot at 950mA anyway13:27
jonaskoelkervaldyn: it's autogenerated by a script.  I've fixed the script to spew the right fstab line (I think), but MyDocs doesn't mount on boot :(13:28
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ShadowJKon my old N900 (haven't checked my new yet), there's about 1.3W of dissipation :)13:28
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valdynjonaskoelker: im not that familiar with the n900 boot process. It's possible that ext3 is not compiled in and modules not accessible at the point where fstab is read13:29
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jonaskoelkervaldyn: I'm thinking I could insert a mount command late in the process.  But where would it go?13:30
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valdynjonaskoelker: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html13:30
korhojoa_hmm. i made a backup of emmc somewhere on my sister's computer... it should be there...13:31
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jonaskoelkerdoes anyone know if partition type vs. file system mismatches matters?13:39
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Venemo_N900oh, noo13:40
Venemo_N900pecan is still a crappy piece of bullsh*t13:40
Venemo_N900:(13:40
jonaskoelkersorry to hear that :(13:40
Venemo_N900every time I log in with it, it shows an "authorisation request" from all the people who I deleted from msn ages ago13:41
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ShadowJKjonaskoelker, depends13:43
ThreeMis the N900 able to play HD Movies?!13:44
Venemo_N900I reported this bug about half a year ago to the author, and others also whined about it on TMO... the author doesn't care.13:44
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: does pecan show the availability of your contacts in the contacts app?13:51
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: haha! contacts app crashes when I delete a contact from pecan13:55
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jonaskoelkerMohammadAG: judging from the maemo forum, you seem to know your way around the hildon menu (among other things).  Do you have any idea why, when I edit my menu, my "<Include>" section of ~/.config/menus/hildon.menu gets removed?14:05
jonaskoelkerdo I need it there?  If not there, where?  Why do I keep getting reverted to the default menu except without the "Other ..." button?14:06
MohammadAGUse appmefo, it's better than editing it manually :p14:07
jonaskoelkerMohammadAG: what about hildon-desktop 's menu editor?14:08
jonaskoelkerMohammadAG: in any case, I think my problems are related to uninstalling mymenu14:08
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rcg1MohammadAG: i created a small patch for your mediabar which enables to freely set the placement: http://pastebin.com/Z3zXXZB914:11
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MohammadAGrcg1, cool!14:15
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MohammadAGrcg1, got a gitorious account that you can send an MR to?14:15
mikki-kunMohammadAG: hey there :) uhhh, just wanted to ask you if "hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb" is incompatible with your "hildon-status-menu_0.3.39+0m5_armel.deb"... at least if rotating from landscape to portrait it works, but i cannot call it while being portrait14:16
MohammadAGthp, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68294 :P14:16
MohammadAGmikki-kun, does it show a black border, or does it not show at all?14:16
MohammadAGand umm14:16
mikki-kunit doesn't show at all when i try to call it14:16
MohammadAGthe hildon-desktop for that patch is based on matan's14:17
mikki-kunso it should work?14:17
MohammadAGwget http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/portrait/hildon-status-menu/hildon-desktop_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb14:17
MohammadAGdpkg -i hildon-desktop_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb14:17
MohammadAGwith that deb, yes14:17
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rcg1MohammadAG: not yet. i am going to create one. but i am not at all familiar with git yet. so probably i won't get the MR right on the first shot...14:18
mikki-kunMohammadAG: lol ^^ "14:18
mikki-kungconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.14:18
jonaskoelkerYay, my hildon menu works like I want it to :)14:19
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thpMohammadAG: for the win :)14:19
thpMohammadAG: so you are going to add the two additional options for inclusion into the community ssu? =)14:20
MohammadAGrcg1, then I'll merge it in a bit :)14:21
thpMohammadAG: btw, did you disable blurring in hildon-desktop or why do your screenshots look so shopped?14:21
MohammadAGmikki-kun, that's the default postinst from hildon-desktop :p14:21
MohammadAGthp, it's a waste of resources :p14:21
MohammadAG(blurring)14:21
MohammadAGI still want it swapped for darkening (a la MeeGo or Symbian^3)14:21
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thpMohammadAG: a 50% opaque black layer (non-blurring) would be nice, though14:22
thpyes, i think that's about the same thing14:22
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lcukdarkening is simpler because it does not require adjacenet pixel knowledge, but the blurring already occurs at half resolution direct on the pvr afaik?14:23
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RobbieThe1stOut of curiosity, guys: A while back, I was messing around in the hildon transitions ini file. I'm not sure what all I changed, but -something- caused my applications-menu application icons to have a red background/overlay on top of the actual background. Any idea what I might have changed?14:24
MohammadAGsaturation?14:24
MohammadAGthp, still, makes everything go a bit slow :p14:25
Venemo_N900RobbieThe1st: that is some bug I encountered too14:25
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: no, saturation is something else14:25
RobbieThe1sthttp://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2698-small.jpeg14:26
RobbieThe1stVenemo_N900: Huh, interesting14:26
Venemo_N900RobbieThe1st: I think I edited something, rebooted, and it got fixed then14:27
thpMohammadAG: anyway, are you working on that tv out applet or was that just a PoC? :)14:27
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MohammadAGthp, it does what the original one does atm, so it's more of a code dump :p14:28
MohammadAGit's just a string in gconf, /system/tvout14:28
RobbieThe1stInteresting. Anyway, I'm off. Cya all.14:28
MohammadAGthp, I replaced the screenshot :)14:29
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Gyjfis it only me or can the n900 max transfer files over network in 900kb/s14:31
lcukthats 900kb more per second than a postit note14:31
Gyjfor up to 1mb/s some times14:31
Gyjfyes14:32
thpMohammadAG: oh hello familiar blur effect :p14:32
lcukyou can do a lot with so much bandwidth :)14:32
Gyjfi guess14:32
Gyjfits just that large files take time :P14:32
lcukusb14:32
Gyjfbut wireless is so convenient :D14:33
Gyjfdrop files in a webserver, go download (or wget)14:33
lcukfor reasonable files wifi is great14:33
lcukfor meego images its a bit more of a pita14:34
Gyjfim transfering music atm14:35
MohammadAGthp, rewriting parts as FOSS apps seems to be a trend lately :P14:37
MohammadAGthp, maybe we should have a maemo-foss repository on gitorious?14:37
MohammadAGguess I need to subclass the picker to control height14:39
* MohammadAG sighs, starts doing that ^14:39
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rcg1MohammadAG: i think i found some good tutorial on how to do merge requests. let's see if i get this done ;)14:42
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lcukrcg1, once you confirm the tutorial works, make sure you post a link :)14:43
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rcg1http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Git/Pushing <- that's the tutorial i followed14:58
rcg1though, they missed one thing, which may be essential for a total git beginner like me: prior to puhing one should do a "git commit -a"14:59
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rootagoog Flying14:59
rcg1lcuk: ^14:59
lcukrcg1, yeah, but thats normal git usage and explained by 101 standard git tutorials :)15:00
rootagood flying15:00
rcg1lcuk: ic :)15:01
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lcukrcg1, on my wall I have "git commit -a -m "~~~~"; git push; " as my normal commit line for reminder15:02
FauxFauxgit commit -am '....'15:03
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rcg1lcuk: hehe, ic... i think i'll get accustomed to this over time. only used subversion so far ;)15:08
rcg1most probably should add something like this to my cheat cheets as well :)15:08
Arkenoiis there a pdf reader that is capable of both reflow and remembering position? absense of both features is major showstopper for reading pdf books on a generic handheld :-(15:09
rootasecond version stand alone build up so just ..... :)15:09
thpMohammadAG: there's a community ssu repo already15:09
rcg1MohammadAG: i send the merge request btw.15:09
rootassu -- blue sky .15:10
MohammadAGthp, so rewrites should be put under that?15:10
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roota^^ ... drive code  ... ^^~~ but not yet.15:11
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thpMohammadAG: i think if the rewrites are targetted for the community ssu (i.e. equal or better functionality than the original packages) then yes15:12
thpMohammadAG: but it's your call, obviously ;)15:12
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Venemo_N900how is it possible that the N900 charges while bme is offő15:13
Venemo_N900how is it possible that the N900 charges while bme is off?15:13
lardmandoes it?15:13
thpMohammadAG: if there's e.g. a better TV out applet, would there be any reason not to replace the proprietary package with the FLOSS rewrite?15:14
MohammadAGnope :)15:14
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, bq2700 chip15:14
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Venemo_N900lardman: to my surprise yes, but the led shows steady orange instead of the pulsating one15:14
MohammadAG(or was it 27000...)15:14
MohammadAGthat means your battery is almost empty, and it's emergency-charging the devicer15:14
lardmanah, I must be thinking of the N8x0 which required the kernel to startup15:14
MohammadAG-r15:14
MohammadAGcharging is @ 100mA (afaik), you better start bme15:15
Venemo_N900k15:15
lardmanah, so it's to avoid the N8x0 problem of not having enough juice to start the kernel to start charging I guess15:15
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ok, started bme15:16
thplardman: was that the situation where one would have to put the n800 in a freezer to let it start up?15:17
lardmanyep :)15:18
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keriowait, what?15:21
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alteregoEh?15:24
* alterego doesn't remember having to do that.15:24
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rootaI thinking n800 it's "trumbler or register" 100mA  It's 0.1A in n 80015:25
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rootamaemo persons  see you later .. so drinking with .15:28
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ShadowJKVenemo_N900, it only charges it to 25% or so without software control (bme)15:31
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ShadowJKand at low rate15:31
alteregoHrm, I was going to do something today, with QML I think ..15:32
alteregoHrm ...15:32
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ShadowJKpulsating led is generated by the programmable led controller15:33
ShadowJKsteady led is generated by the charging chip itself directly15:34
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Venemo_N900ShadowJK: thanks15:34
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer's battery hotswap instructions actually rely on bq24150's independeny emrgency mode, and getting n900 power consumption below the charge current bq24150 uses without software control :)15:36
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Venemo_N900lcuk: ping15:49
lcukpong only if its about magnum related topics, its sunday i am resting15:50
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Venemo_N900lcuk: no, it is unrelated to magnum :P15:51
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Venemo_N900lcuk: have your rest, I'll ping you tomorrow15:52
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alteregos/resting/hungover/15:52
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MohammadAGthp, name suggestions? I'd use maemo-applet-tvout but it has maemo in it :p15:54
MohammadAGoh, git names can be changed, right15:55
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: use the name cp-applet-tvout15:56
lcukalterego, haha most likely yes :)15:57
MohammadAGlibcptvout15:57
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: or community-tvout15:57
MohammadAGthe name of the binary15:57
MohammadAGI already pushed it :p15:57
Venemo_N900k15:58
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MohammadAGalterego, ever used g_dgettext in Qt?16:11
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alteregoNope16:17
MohammadAGit works :p16:19
MohammadAGpickerDialog->setWindowTitle(QString(g_dgettext("osso-tv-out", "tvou_fi_tv_out")));16:19
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: why wouldn't it work?16:25
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thpMohammadAG: will you make the "new" strings (that are not in osso-tv-out) translatable? i can contribute the german translation16:32
alteregoYou don't need 'QString()'16:32
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korhojoa_joyous news guys16:32
korhojoa_i found a MyDocs backup16:32
korhojoa_-> i found a device backup16:32
korhojoa_-> all is well!16:32
MohammadAGthp, if there are any new strings, sure, I always use tr()16:33
ShadowJKkorhojoa_, awesome :)16:33
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korhojoa_haha- the dumb thing is, i lost the backup in my home directory on the server. it was even named MyDocs ... felt a bit dumb after i found it with a find / | grep settings.zip16:38
* DocScrutinizer wonders why not "find / -name settings.zip"16:39
korhojoa_probably because i never really looked up on how to use that command and just always used grep on the output16:40
korhojoa_but that does seem a lot more handy16:40
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DocScrutinizeresp resource saving, and probably faster16:41
MohammadAGheh16:43
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DocScrutinizer"find / -name settings.zip -a -newer somefile -a -size..."16:43
DocScrutinizerman find helps ;-D16:44
korhojoa_shukran.16:45
alteregofind is an awesome command16:46
alteregoCertainly one of my favourites16:46
korhojoa_i like grep.16:46
korhojoa_i guess you should like awk if you're 133716:46
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n900-space\o/16:55
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timeless_xchathello world17:07
timeless_xchatwho works on app downloader?17:08
timeless_xchat"Unfortunately no application found." - kinda sucks17:08
timeless_xchatit let me search for "" and gave me 0 results17:09
lcuktimeless_xchat, danielwilms, wazd x-fade collaborating i believe17:10
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lcukcatch daniel in work in the morning17:11
Paulyhello17:11
timeless_xchati'm on vacation17:11
timeless_xchatplease queue+proxy17:11
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timeless_xchatit's 7am!17:11
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Venemo_N900lcuk: looking at telepathy-butterfly it seems that the maintainer is a collaboran, called Johnny Lamb17:11
timeless_xchatis there a brightness thing that lets me have a dim screen?17:12
Paulytrying to compile Qtwitter to Fremantle but its dependency qca wont build17:12
Venemo_N900lcuk: could you contact him to update the version in -devel to the latest upstream?17:12
lcukVenemo_N900, if johnny is not on irc, use his email clearly stated in the maintainer address.17:12
lcukask him to pop into related channel :)17:13
lcukie, diy its sunday.17:13
timeless_xchats/its/it's/17:13
lcukie, diy it's sunday.17:13
* lcuk needs an xchat rule for that one :)17:14
Venemo_N900it's sunday and I wanna use msn17:14
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timeless_xchatoh, cute17:17
* timeless_xchat figures out how to kinda use appdownloader17:18
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jonwilWhats the deal with packages that are in the "Maemo 5 device" repositories and also in the Extras repos but are not in the SDK/free repos?17:18
jonwilexample being apt-transport-https17:18
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* timeless_xchat goes on a bug filing spree17:21
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Venemo_N900hey smoku17:29
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smokuy017:29
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timeless_xchathey, does extras-devel have distinct repos for pr1.1/1.2/1.3?17:35
DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: brightness thing? elaborate17:35
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DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: (distinct repos) alas not17:37
timeless_xchati want brightness settings that work in dark rooms17:38
DocScrutinizer...which kinda leaves you fscked if you rely on several apps from -devel, and want to restore 1.217:38
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DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: there's simple brightness widget17:39
DocScrutinizerapplet?17:39
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timeless_xchatdoes it let me have a screen that's dimmer than nokia's dimmest setting?17:40
DocScrutinizerprolly not17:40
timeless_xchatand extra menu applets are really unwanted17:40
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DocScrutinizersure, I can smell this from the wording " is there a brightness thing that lets me have a dim screen?"17:41
timeless_xchati already have clock, profile, network, bluetooth, presence, mfe, vpn-1, vpn-217:42
timeless_xchatplus a usb thing occasionally and something else..17:42
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smokuDocScrutinizer, you should push those apps to extras-testing and extras if you think they're ready.  -devel is for devs17:42
DocScrutinizeruhuh17:43
DocScrutinizersmoku: how about backup app does this pushing for me?17:44
DocScrutinizer:-P17:44
* timeless_xchat kicks a manager for back-is-dataloss (in browser)17:44
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DocScrutinizersmoku: fact is I can't restore my 1.2 system17:45
SpeedEviltimeless_xchat: The brightness can be reduced below minimum.17:45
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timeless_xchatspeedevil : how?17:46
smokuDocScrutinizer, yes. and it's your own fault ;P17:46
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DocScrutinizersmoku: so yes, either Nokia should have branched the testing and devel repos to have a 1.2 version, or (eeeek) they should have moved *all* apps from testing and devel to extras-1.2 prior to rolling out 1.317:47
DocScrutinizersmoku: :-x I don't want to get offensive17:48
* SpeedEvil searches.17:48
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DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: echo 1 > /sys/*/*/brightness17:48
SpeedEvilyeah17:48
SpeedEviland it's 217:48
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SpeedEvilthe hardware does not support '1'17:49
smokuDocScrutinizer, me too.  IIRC extras-testing and extras have different repos for different PR. only -devel runs tle latest SDK always17:49
SpeedEvilthis is not - IMO - quite as dim as you might want in truly dark rooms.17:49
timeless_xchatspeedevil : any control panel for this?17:49
DocScrutinizernope17:49
SpeedEvilI use a queen-beecon17:50
SpeedEvilthat does it17:50
timeless_xchat?17:50
SpeedEvilI should investigate patching, but...17:50
smokuDocScrutinizer, so only -devel can screw your dependencies17:50
DocScrutinizeruntil ambient light changes, which will reset the brighness17:50
SpeedEvilqueen-beecon is a press-button on desktop17:50
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: not if you also use simple-brightness-widget, and set brightness17:50
SpeedEvilAt least IMO17:50
SpeedEvilE17:50
DocScrutinizersmoku: this conversation is boring to me, and doesn't teach me anything new17:51
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timeless_xchatthis seems too complicated17:51
timeless_xchati'm an end user17:51
timeless_xchati was kicked out of my hotel room for keeping other occupant awake17:51
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: even if you use simple brightness, unless max brightness is chosen there, which is more like a bug in simple brightness17:52
timeless_xchat(technically, that was mostly because the keyboard was too loud, but...)17:52
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SpeedEviloops. :(17:52
smokuDocScrutinizer, you brought it on yourself. you shouldn't be whining in the first place ;P17:53
DocScrutinizeryou shouldn't upset me before my first coffee kicks in17:53
ShadowJKiirc lots of people asked on maemo-users before N900 was released, whether the "cant go drak enough" bug will be fixed. Someone @nokia said that the team in the closed light room (or something) said it's a huge effort to make step-less brightness adjustment work with ALS, but that lowest setting is going to be really low17:53
DocScrutinizersmoku: and no, it's been timeless_xchat who brought it up17:53
jonwilthe more I use my N900, the more I am glad I bought it instead of an Android handset :)17:54
ShadowJKDimmer than n8x0 for sure, but still "omg put away that lightsaber you're blinding me" level when in darkness :)17:54
SpeedEvilThe low-level hardware is unfortunately bright at minimum brightness17:54
SpeedEvilBut it's bearable17:54
timeless_xchatshadowjk: remind me in 10 or so days to smack someone17:55
SpeedEvilI should measure this.17:55
ShadowJKalso volume doesn't go low enough when somewhere quiet, but that can be manually adjusted with alsamixer -c p somewhat17:55
ShadowJK-c 017:55
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I bet that's caused by the linear nature of PWM, vs the log nature of physiological brightness perception17:57
DocScrutinizers/log/ln17:58
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DocScrutinizerso with a e.g 8bit PWM counter you got 8 distinct levels of brightness17:59
TheOneLaw3bits give you 8 levels18:01
DocScrutinizerthey could have logarithmized the brightness function18:01
alteregoBored, bored, bored.18:01
DocScrutinizermaybe even by analog means18:01
alteregoThink I might try an get data working for me in MeeGo18:01
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* lardman|home fits his new O2 data only SIM into the Tablet18:02
alteregolardman|home: noice :)18:02
alteregoI've been tempted to get a data only, but I do tend to text a lot ..18:02
lardman|homewell I want to run a normal phone at the same time, so decided data only for £5/month was pretty good18:03
* DocScrutinizer thinks about a bipolar transistor in GND end of backlight LED, with an emitter R, and base fed by integrated voltage of the PWM'd VDD end of backlight LED18:03
lardman|homeonly 500MB, but as I have wifi most places that will do18:03
timeless_xchatalterego: the USA has web-sms gateways18:04
* timeless_xchat wonders if google voice handles sms18:04
lardman|homeyeah I was thinking of setting up something like that for sms18:05
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DocScrutinizer(VCI) of course that would have massive impact on efficiency with low brightness settings, as increasingly large chunks of power are dissipated by the transistor18:06
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lardman|homeactually data only is a misnomer18:07
DocScrutinizerbut then, OTOH, power consumption wouldn't be any worse than now, just lower limit for brighness is way better18:07
lardman|homefree data only, I could still send sms if I wanted to pay for them18:07
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: the LCD backlight is controlled over a serial bus - it's not PWMd on the SoC side18:07
DocScrutinizerBOM: ~4 components18:07
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I know18:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: so above suggestion is addressed to the LCD manuf18:08
DocScrutinizerbtw LP5523 nicely deals with this problem18:10
DocScrutinizerby implementing a logarithmic steering characteristic18:10
DocScrutinizerthat's how ramp-up/down works at all, for indicator light18:11
* DocScrutinizer frowns about no datasheet available even thru the darkest channels, for that LCM18:12
jonwilwhy would you want both a N900 with a data SIM and also a regular phone? Isnt the N900 good enough as a regular phone?18:12
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korhojoa_timeless_xchat: gv handles sms18:15
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MohammadAGright18:18
MohammadAGhow do i reboot an N8 that's stuck18:19
MohammadAGwithout a removable battery18:19
MohammadAGoh, 10s reboots it18:19
GAN900Throw it at the wall?18:19
GAN900Put a pin in the mic hole?18:19
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pahartikjonwil: I have Nokia 6151 which I used for mobile network uplink before Nokia N900... Still using it for listening to audio content (MPEG-4 AAC and FM tuner) with wired headphones and receiving rare voice telephone calls with Bluetooth headset18:20
MohammadAGGAN900, I'd try those but it's not mine :p18:20
GAN900MohammadAG, even better. :P18:21
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: see schematics, p.6, N135018:23
TheOneLawn8 deal breaker18:23
pahartikjonwil: If mobile network used on Nokia N900 is unreachable, I can switch to other mobile network right away18:23
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MohammadAGrcg1, merged18:24
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: so I like to s/I know/nope/18:24
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: LCD BL brightness is clearly controlled by GAIA GPIO6/PWM0 - M418:27
MohammadAGwidget.h:7: fatal error: QProximitySensor: No such file or directory18:28
MohammadAGcompilation terminated.18:28
MohammadAGso... when the f will the N8 Qt libs support mobility?18:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: and I bet you can tweak that PWM *a lot* to achieve better low end brightness resolution and minimum18:28
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: hell, and if not, then use FIQ and do the bitbanging in software18:29
SpeedEvilI was reading the kernel source18:30
SpeedEvilit did not seem to indicate this was true18:30
DocScrutinizerthe power savings of LED consumption in lower brightness won't outweigh the CPU hog, but so what - if it makes you feel better with the backlight brightness18:31
SpeedEvilBut was doing I2C (or was it SPI) to the display18:31
* DocScrutinizer shrugs18:31
SpeedEvilI haven't looked at the schematics - will in a bit, thanks18:31
DocScrutinizerunless the schematics are lying, it's a feasible way18:31
jonwilschematics for what? N900?18:31
DocScrutinizersure18:32
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I'm not entirely clear about role and meaning of D1350 and CABC, might me an alternative control path for LCM to also control brightness, which it evidently does, for dynamic BL control (the thing that tries to save BL power my lowering BL and pumping up LCD brightness)18:34
DocScrutinizers/might me/might be/ .18:34
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DocScrutinizermaybe another hw easter egg - another feature that got designed in but never exploited by sw18:36
DocScrutinizer(the PWM GAIA bits)18:36
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* MohammadAG still wants those tap interrupts in the accelerometer18:37
* DocScrutinizer hands the baton to the kernel hacker guild18:38
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: fix lis302dl.ko18:39
MohammadAGwhat's broken about it?18:39
DocScrutinizerit's simple :-P18:39
DocScrutinizerIt doesn't support your tap irq afaik18:39
MohammadAGthat's simple?18:40
DocScrutinizerit also doesn't put highpass to proper purpose, to enable IRQs only when *moving* the device18:40
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: actually that's simple. The driver source is really clean and nice, and you just need to augment the missing bits. A straight forward task18:41
DocScrutinizerNB this doesn't apply to whomever it is that deals with lis302 sysfs - probably mce :-(18:42
SpeedEvilmaybe18:42
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, probably, for a kernel hacker :)18:44
MohammadAGyou can always make another daemon18:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: if you're interested we can join efforts18:44
DocScrutinizerfor the kernel fixing part18:45
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MohammadAGI don't mind, it's a nice feature to have actually18:45
MohammadAGassuming it doesn't rape the battery (which I recall it doesn't)18:45
DocScrutinizerfixing lis302, at least for hp, has been on my todo list since long18:45
MohammadAGbut first, oh goody, http://i55.tinypic.com/23uasgm.jpg18:45
DocScrutinizerexams?18:46
DocScrutinizeruhh18:46
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MohammadAGjavispedro, you might be interesting in finding what does this <MohammadAG> but first, oh goody, http://i55.tinypic.com/23uasgm.jpg18:47
jonwildoes having MCE as open source in MeeGo help with understanding what MCE on N900 Maemo is doing?18:47
MohammadAGoh and morning :p18:47
MohammadAGmce will never be open source18:47
jonwilhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce18:48
jonwilThat looks like code to me18:48
MohammadAGhmm18:48
jonwilLicense says LGPL18:48
MohammadAGinteresting18:48
MohammadAGis that the same one?18:48
MohammadAGor a rewrite?18:48
jonwilwell the code says its nokia code18:49
MohammadAGRX34 OMG18:49
DocScrutinizerjonwil: maybe18:49
MohammadAGthey open sourced mce?!18:49
MohammadAGit's the same one!18:49
* MohammadAG confirms that the N9 is a RM-68018:50
DocScrutinizerEEEEK, the world's coming to an end18:50
MohammadAGor an RM-696 o_O18:50
RST38hWell. Moo.18:50
MohammadAG51118:50
MohammadAG# Patterns used for the RM-680/RM-690 hardware;18:50
MohammadAG51218:50
MohammadAG# this hardware has a single-colour LED connected to a Lysti controller18:50
MohammadAGbummer, they went back from RGB to one colour18:50
MohammadAGwell, at least they left the code for the device name, lmao18:51
RST38hBastards, ain't they?18:51
MohammadAGhmm18:51
DocScrutinizerBLAARRRGH! first file, guess, GUESS! bme-dbus-names.h18:51
MohammadAGdidn't the internet rumors say the N9 is indeed an RM-680?18:52
javispedroMohammadAG: hmm, what is that?18:52
MohammadAGand the official mce.ini18:52
jonwilSo is this mce source code actually of value for the N900 or does it only contain stuff pertaining to the new files?18:52
MohammadAGhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line50918:52
RST38hheya javispedro18:52
javispedromorning18:52
MohammadAGjonwil, it does seem of value18:52
MohammadAGjavispedro, some bug18:52
javispedrohmm.. hasn't been mce open since long ago? :P18:52
MohammadAGtriggered by values in transitions.ini18:52
javispedroI kinda remember it is plugin based18:52
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* RST38h imagines collective scorn from tmo regulars: WHAT? NO COLOR LED?18:53
javispedroNO COLOR LED??18:53
MohammadAGjavispedro, that seems to be the full source18:53
MohammadAGnope, N9 is a single LED device :(18:53
javispedroMohammadAG: all plugins?18:53
GAN900It's a trap!18:53
MohammadAGdoes it matter? mce is open18:53
MohammadAGplugins can be closed18:53
* DocScrutinizer feels like slapped in the face about Nokia opensourcing maemo bits for meego, and leaving maemo community behind as if we had a contagious disease18:54
GAN900They'll sell you a Bluetooth addon LED.18:54
javispedroMohammadAG: one word: dsme.18:54
GAN900DocScrutinizer, we do have a disease.18:54
jonwilIt looks like its usefull for understanding some things but not a direct match for the code running on the N90018:54
* lardman|home just ordered a BT mini kb for £12, quite shocked they are so cheap now18:54
RST38hWe do have a disease indeed18:54
MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get source mce18:54
MohammadAGReading package lists... Done18:54
MohammadAGBuilding dependency tree... Done18:54
MohammadAGE: Unable to find a source package for mce18:54
MohammadAGha18:54
jonwili.e. you couldn't use this MCE code to build a drop-in replacement for MCE on the N90018:55
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: if N9 comes with amoled they thought you don't basically need ANY led18:55
javispedrojonwil: you probably could, most of the functionality is hidden in the plugins18:55
DocScrutinizerwhich is arguably reasonable18:55
javispedrojonwil: your daemon just needs to be similar enough to load them18:55
MohammadAGlet's hype the interwebz18:55
lardman|homeHmm, more tantalising hints, but still no FCC docs18:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yeah - I was wondering way back when about illuminating only a tiny corner of a LCD, for powersaving reasons.18:56
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javispedromakes sense. first they put the led on the front again making it more useless, then they make it a part of the screen itself.18:57
korhojoa_SpeedEvil: like the symbian series have the screensaver bar, so a moving screensaver part then?18:57
eichiis there maybe a bug in the advanced battery status thing? after 2 hours charging, it says 2 minutes left and nearly empty battery18:57
RST38hKBD_SLIDE switch is still there18:57
MohammadAGlet the hype begin *clicks tweet*18:57
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lardman|home:)18:57
MohammadAGRST38h, so is RX34 :p18:57
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: no18:57
MohammadAGwasn't that the 770?18:57
jonwilLooks like that MCE code includes code for plugins for the brightness stuff18:57
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eichiokay, now it works, strange18:57
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: A hardware backlight that only lights up 1/100th of the screen, in the corner.18:57
korhojoa_er. why?18:58
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: So you can have a status/... display but not use much power.18:58
RST38hGot separate MMC-cover-open switches for two mmcs18:58
korhojoa_would that not use a part of the screen more, and wear it out or something?18:58
lardman|homeMohammadAG: no N800 was RX34 iirc18:58
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: no18:58
MohammadAGand RX48 is N810?18:58
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: doesn't work that way18:58
DocScrutinizerjonwil: congrats, good finding18:59
RST38hand a separate switch for the battery cover18:59
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MohammadAGindeed18:59
* MohammadAG cheers for open source mce18:59
javispedrooh, there are some plugins there18:59
* MohammadAG sighs at the way they were opened up18:59
javispedrohm.. not all of them though.18:59
MohammadAGso if MeeGo wants something open, it can get it opened18:59
jonwilmatching plugin filenames to the n900 filenames, I dont see the accelerometer18:59
jonwiland the vibrator18:59
jonwiland the home key18:59
jonwilthe rest has matches19:00
SpeedEvilThere certainly will be an accel.19:00
javispedroa pity cause accel and vibrator is just the two I want.19:00
korhojoa_SpeedEvil: doesn't work that way? if you need a hardware backlight, then this means that you're using the screen, and to my knowledge, tft's are still susceptible to 'burn in' or what ever you want to call it19:00
SpeedEvilIt may well not be the same one.19:00
jonwilthere are a couple new ones that arent on n90019:00
SpeedEvilkorhojoa_: they aren't really, in normal conditions, and the little that is possible is easily avoided19:00
jonwillike a libproximity.so19:00
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korhojoa_SpeedEvil: alrighty then19:01
jonwilMCE source in that repo claims its version 1.10.88. No idea what version the MCE on my phone is.19:02
korhojoa_check with dpkg19:02
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (accel) input-events I guess19:02
javispedro1.8.something, depending on PR19:02
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MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# mce --version19:02
MohammadAGmce v1.8.12619:02
_trinelardman|gone, which keyboard did you buy19:03
cehtehmce source?19:03
* jonwil suggests someone should check that entire meego.gitorious.org to see what other juicy pieces may exist there19:03
MohammadAGyes19:03
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cehtehwohooo19:03
cehtehfinally19:03
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jonwilits MCE source for MeeGo, not Maemo19:03
jonwiland doesn'19:03
cehteh:(19:03
jonwildoesn't look like its going to run as-is on an N90019:03
jonwilalthough I cant be sure of that19:03
wazdHeya all19:03
javispedrohum19:04
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javispedrothere is not a mce bug report.19:04
javispedro*relicese request19:04
javispedro*relicense request19:04
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lardman|homehmm, camera_popout_state19:05
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lardman|home /* Unlock tklock if camera is popped out */19:05
lardman|homethat's interesting19:05
lardman|homemodules/camera.c19:05
javispedroisn't that n80019:05
jonwilAt the very least it would be good to find out if that mce source is usable on a N900 and if the external interfaces between mce and the rest of the system are the same between that version and the N900 one19:05
MohammadAGwhy? :P19:05
lardman|homejavispedro: may be19:05
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SpeedEvilIt's likely 'popped out' simply means that the slider is open.19:06
SpeedEvilRather than a mechanical pop-out19:06
lardman|homeah good point19:06
cehtehyes there are at least some clues what, why and how mce does some things we only speculated before19:06
MohammadAGwell19:06
MohammadAGsomeone has to try eventually19:06
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SpeedEvilAs a mechanical pop-out is basically horribly expensive.19:06
javispedrowell n800 had one19:06
lardman|homehave we seen the list of display types in display.c?19:07
* javispedro ponders19:07
javispedromeego doesn't use mce, there was no relicense request for mce19:07
javispedroso why is this there?19:07
DocScrutinizer(pop-out cam) has been used as a synonym for opening cam door, since N800 came with that pop-out cam19:07
MohammadAGwell19:07
MohammadAGgood luck19:07
lardman|homeHaramatten?19:07
MohammadAGit need kernel 2.6.3219:07
MohammadAG: Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: linux-kernel-headers 2.6.22.219:08
javispedrominor19:08
javispedroeither way19:08
DocScrutinizer~hail jonwil19:08
* infobot bows down to jonwil and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"19:08
javispedroif we really want mce so badly (tbh I even thought it was open already =) ), maybe a relicense request is now worth it.19:08
jonwilyeah I think a licence request would be usefull19:09
javispedroas most of the excuses won't be valid.19:09
DocScrutinizerYES19:09
DocScrutinizerthose nasty suckers19:09
jonwilI think it would be worth looking in that meego repo for other libs that are now open and that might help with n900/fremantle work19:10
MohammadAGjavispedro, go for it19:10
javispedrojonwil: there are many, for ex meego-multimedia repo19:10
DocScrutinizerfor maemo we can bang the wall until blood comes, to get some parts opened up, but meego gets all the *maemo* parts it wants, without anybody even dropping a notice here about the fact19:10
DocScrutinizerhow utterly insulting and impolite19:11
korhojoa_The younger child always gets spoilt.19:11
javispedroimho so far I don't think any component on the maemo relicensing queue19:11
javispedrohas been relicensed for meego.19:12
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javispedroprolly because the stuff on the licensing queue is the important stuff19:12
jonwilI suspect bme is still closed source in MeeGo19:12
javispedroit is19:12
javispedrohttps://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Licensing+Change+Requests&content=19:13
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MohammadAGit was relicensed though19:13
jonwilchecking that now19:13
MohammadAGas redistributable19:13
javispedro"free to distrbute"19:13
javispedroyep19:13
DocScrutinizerMEH! they could and ought have done this for maemo mce - for example - *long* time ago, WITHOUT us using gold and guns to convince them. They simply could have opened it up, as they did now19:14
javispedrobefore that bme images were in tablets-dev only =)19:14
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MohammadAGin short19:15
javispedroso, who is interested enough in fremantle bme to fill in the bug report? =)19:15
DocScrutinizerjobpositively. They decided bme is impossible to open up, for whatever ill reasons19:15
MohammadAGMeeGo can get what it want opened19:15
MohammadAGwhich sucks ****s19:15
DocScrutinizerjonwil: ^^^19:15
javispedrosigh.19:15
javispedroMeego doesn't use mce!19:15
MohammadAGyet19:15
javispedrothey even invented their own framework19:16
MohammadAGI see19:16
javispedrowhich is a combination of contextkit and something called sensorwhatever19:16
MohammadAGso Harmattan will have an open MCE19:16
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: fremantle bme bug report???19:16
jonwillets file a request for it19:16
javispedroDocScrutinizer: yep. there isn't any!19:16
jonwilworst Nokia can do is say "no" and we move on19:16
DocScrutinizerwhat bug report?19:17
javispedroerr..19:17
javispedrowait.19:17
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: bme relicensing requests are legion19:17
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314=bme19:17
povbotBug 9314: Relicense BME19:17
javispedrobad url, sorry.19:17
javispedrohttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931419:17
povbotBug 9314: Relicense BME19:17
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jonwilNokia have already said "no" to opening BME19:17
javispedroI do not think they have, but it's pretty much assumed.19:18
trxif they could just partly open it..19:18
javispedroThey've said no to metatracker, for ex.19:18
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: sorry, I don't get it. there's 9314, so what bug report to fill now?19:18
javispedroDocScrutinizer: for mce!19:18
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: I confused one letter =)19:18
DocScrutinizerMEH, then say "mce" not "bme"19:18
DocScrutinizer:-)19:19
jonwilso yeah lets ask Nokia to open MCE of n900 plus all plugins that are not sensitive19:19
javispedro<javispedro> They've said no to metatracker, for ex. --> metalayer (sorry again)19:19
Jaffajavispedro: We don't know, of course, what MeeGo-Harmattan uses (presumably still mce, given what MohammadAG pointed to) or even what Nokia might bolt in to any MeeGo for their OS.19:19
Jaffas/OS/devices/19:20
infobotJaffa meant: javispedro: We don't know, of course, what MeeGo-Harmattan uses (presumably still mce, given what MohammadAG pointed to) or even what Nokia might bolt in to any MeeGo for their devices.19:20
DocScrutinizersensorwhatever==sensorfw, and it's poorly documeted and also a poor concept, it seems19:20
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DocScrutinizerbased largely on polling, which will kill battery life19:20
jonwilWhat nokia does on which platforms or OS releases doesn't really matter to us, what matters to us is that there is code released by Nokia as LGPL for an unknown version of MCE for an unknown hardware platform/OS version19:21
DocScrutinizerwhen I asked in #meego about it, I got the usual answer19:21
jonwiland based on this, many arguments against releasing the code to the Fremantle MCE should now be moot19:21
javispedroJaffa: yes, thanks for reminding me of one of the potential pitfalls of meego =)19:21
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: what is the usual answer? "go over to #maemo"?19:21
MohammadAGthe usual answer for me is wait (which I usually interpret as fuck off :P)19:22
_trineDocScrutinizer, do you remeber me asking about pairing 2 blue tooth devices at the same time?  this keyboard seems to be able to do it. :- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-Wireless-Double-Bluetooth-Pairing-Keyboard-w-Mice-/290523557584?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item43a48daed019:22
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: "there's no specs yet. wait. don't bitch. you are free to send patches when we are done with it"19:22
DocScrutinizer_trine: nice find19:22
mikki-kunwow... so i am not missing a thing :)19:23
mikki-kungreat community here :)19:23
GAN900Nerp19:23
MohammadAGha, so I'm not the only told to wait19:23
DocScrutinizer_trine: afaik it depends on BT profile used, if and how many concurrent devices you can pair19:23
MohammadAGs/wait/fuck off :p/19:23
infobotMohammadAG meant: ha, so I'm not the only told to fuck off :p19:23
mikki-kunXD19:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: not at all19:24
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: and that SUCKS19:25
DocScrutinizerand makes me hate meego at alrge19:25
DocScrutinizerlarge*19:25
MohammadAGfunny how they ask you to help with MeeGo, when you ask how, you're told to wait19:25
DocScrutinizeryes19:25
DocScrutinizernpot funny, but yes19:25
* MohammadAG lights a cig for DocScrutinizer 19:26
javispedroJaffa: on the other side it is Nokia itself behind contextkit and sensorfw, so it would be weird behaviour from them.19:26
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javispedro(but I guess we have come to expect that from Nokia :) )19:26
MohammadAGdidn't they have OTG swapped in a last minute decision?19:26
MohammadAGsurely they can swap contextkit and sensorfw with mce :p19:27
* MohammadAG hides19:27
javispedroyes, and qt with e1819:27
* DocScrutinizer feels a weird sickness19:27
javispedroWhere's my Enlightenment phone??19:27
* DocScrutinizer tosses a FR over to javispedro19:27
DocScrutinizerwith SHR19:28
MohammadAGhm, maybe hildon + MeeGo should be HeeGo?19:28
DocScrutinizerSheeBlo19:29
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GAN900MohammadAG, is funny the word? :P19:29
GAN900It's unfortunate that the people contributing don't see it with their skewed perspective.19:30
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DocScrutinizerwhat's been that quote form yesterday TV? "no kid likes other kids peeing his sandpox"19:31
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DocScrutinizerextreme form of NIH19:32
lardman|homepeeing in his sandbox?19:32
DocScrutinizersandbox even19:32
lardman|homeor perhaps you mean s/sandpox/smallpox19:32
lardman|home;)19:32
DocScrutinizerAlzheimer19:33
lardman|home:)19:33
jonwilso is someone going to file a license change request for the n900 Fremantle MCE?19:34
SpeedEviljonwil: yes, you are.19:34
DocScrutinizerjavispedro should do this?19:34
SpeedEviljonwil: you're going to do it in 27 minutes.19:34
* MohammadAG sees javispedro raising his hand19:34
* javispedro is not here at the moment, please leave your message after the tone..19:35
MohammadAGI have your kids, open a license change request or you'll never see them until the N9 is released19:35
MohammadAG(that should translate to never see them again, ever)19:35
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DocScrutinizer"Dear Master, your people asks for you rising your mighty voice"19:35
* jonwil wonders what other things would be worth having under a "closed but redistributable" license in the way BME is19:37
DocScrutinizers/your/Thy19:37
DocScrutinizers/you/Thou19:37
BCMMjonwil: same sorta conditions a "normal" binary linux driver like nvidia or something is under?19:38
javispedrojonwil: are you writing it? do you have the template?19:38
jonwilI am not writing the bug report19:38
DocScrutinizerjonwil: nothing I could think of right atm19:38
jonwilwouldnt it be usefull to have the SGX blobs under such a license?19:39
jonwilso they can be used in alternative OS's just like BME can now be19:39
DocScrutinizerhmm, yes, probably. But there are legal issues with (C) afaik19:39
DocScrutinizera try can't hurt19:39
* javispedro sighs19:40
javispedrook, ok.19:40
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DocScrutinizerMEH! Nokia, open up THE maemo sources, now that you don't want to continue supporting maemo!19:41
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DocScrutinizerDifferentiation? moot! Quality? moot!19:41
mrdongle_yea19:42
mrdongle_lawyers - still lawyering19:42
DocScrutinizer3rd party (C)? WTF!!19:42
jonwilGetting stuff opened up where the code is in MeeGo and is now open might be fesable. Getting stuff opened up where its still closed in MeeGo wont happen (i.e. BME)19:43
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DocScrutinizer(h-e-n charging) Status: 0x10 Mode: CHARGING Full: 0 WallCharger: 0 Battery Voltage: 4174 NAC: 2054 Battery level: 100 %19:43
DocScrutinizersince 24h now, good enough19:44
mrdongle_h-e-n is BME replacement?  what?19:44
DocScrutinizernpe, not exactly19:44
mrdongle_so.. the battery charging is not managed by firmware but by userspace or kernel software?19:45
DocScrutinizerh-e-n is hostmode-easy-now, the USB hostmode project. bme is a sting in our flesh, when it comes to hostmode, so we invented simple replacements just dealing with battery charging19:45
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DocScrutinizermrdongle_: battery charging is mainly managed by a dedicated chip called BQ24150, in N90019:46
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DocScrutinizerthis chip basically needs no sw support19:46
DocScrutinizerother than configuring it correctly19:46
DocScrutinizerand tickling a hw-watchdog19:46
SpeedEvilThe 'valuable battery related IP' argument is - basically - bullshit.19:46
DocScrutinizercompletely, stinking BS, a huuuge pile of19:47
jonwilI think there is genuine concern about issues with people causing damage to batteries19:47
SpeedEvilThe safety argument is almost bullshit.19:47
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: the chip is imanently safe19:47
SpeedEvilbut that's 99.9% addressible with a sane kernel driver for bq2415019:48
SpeedEvils/safety/reliability/19:48
jonwilisnt the situation that Nokia implemented charging algos directly in BME and didnt use the hardware charging algo?19:48
DocScrutinizerno evidence for that, on N90019:48
ShadowJKYou can't really bypass the hw charging algo19:48
jonwilok19:49
DocScrutinizerand we damn traced bme actions for hours and days19:49
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jonwilok, so what does BME do other than talking to the bq24150?19:49
* Arkenoi remembers GEOS communicator days, pre-symbian. It was Nokia's classic response "why you cannot do this or that" -- "it is not ours, we ordered it from the company that owns GEOS". Actually Nokia could just buy out it completely and it would be cheaper maybe, but they preferred to deal with it that way.19:50
DocScrutinizeractually, whenever bme does anything to alter the chip's genuine behaviour, then that's a braindamaged thing we would like to get rid of. Things like keeping charging enabled despite battery cell manufs say you MUST NOT do this19:50
jonwilI might go through the list of installed packages on my phone (from /var/lib/dkpg/info), find all the ones that are closed source and then find out which ones are now open source in the MeeGo repos so we can consider filing licence change requests for them. e.g. libiphb0 is now open in MeeGo but closed in Maemo19:51
ShadowJKThat's an area where software could improve the hardware behaviour, compensate for the charger's inability to distinguish between charge current and system drain19:51
DocScrutinizerbut bme doesn't19:52
DocScrutinizerau contraire19:52
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ShadowJKIt pretty much assumes the system uses 0 power :-)19:52
DocScrutinizeryep19:52
jonwilhow does libbmeipc fit into this?19:53
ShadowJKit's a closed undocumented library to query bme about battery state, more or less19:53
DocScrutinizerjonwil: that's the problem: bme is doing a shitload of loosely related stuff, like temperature management, charge-level guestimation for HAL, and whatnot else19:53
DocScrutinizerjonwil: libbmeips afaik is used only by PA19:54
DocScrutinizerprobably to playback alarm sounds19:54
SpeedEviljonwil: please do! that would be a really awesome thing to do.19:55
DocScrutinizerif THAT is the "valuable battery management IP" then I dunno19:55
* jonwil greps copy of n900 filesystem for bme and libbme related references19:55
DocScrutinizerjonwil: yeah, I second SpeedEvil 's notion19:56
jonwilyeah I do plan to do that search19:56
jonwilto see whats open for MeeGo but not for Fremantle19:56
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jonwilso we can file license change requests for the interesting bits19:56
DocScrutinizerjonwil: (libbmeipc) lsof|grep bme19:57
jonwilwould filing a lic change for libiphb0 be worth doing?19:58
DocScrutinizeraah, of course hald-addon-bme also is using libbmeipc19:58
DocScrutinizerwhat's libiphb0?19:58
jonwilnot 100% sure but there was a lic change request related to it before IIRC19:59
javispedrolibiphb IS already opened since long ago19:59
javispedroand I'm sure about this one since I saw the request19:59
jonwilso even Fremantle has open libiphb?19:59
javispedroyep19:59
jonwilok20:00
javispedroeither way it's a pretty much generic lib20:00
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jonwilhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/libiphb0/ says its in nokia-binaries20:00
jonwilso for fremantle its not open20:00
javispedrorepositories will never change20:00
* DocScrutinizer wonders WTF is >>bme_RX-51 727 root 6u REG 0,11 80 3167 /nosmq20:01
javispedrohttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452020:01
povbotBug 4520: Cannot build libhildondesktop1 on Mer: No source for libiphb020:01
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DocScrutinizeranybody give me a clue what a file /nosmq might be?20:03
jonwilinteresting, the code in the meego repo does not include the hd-heartbeat.c mentioned in the bug20:05
javispedro"hd" means hildon-desktop20:05
javispedroso if anything it would be in hildon deskto20:05
javispedrop20:05
jonwiloh yeah hd-heartbeat.c is not what was closed20:05
jonwilhd-heartbeat.c is what was #including closed .h files20:05
DocScrutinizerhd-heartbeat sounds like HD talking to dsme to tickle a wd-timer20:06
RST38hyep20:06
javispedronope20:06
javispedroiphb is a library for merging timers20:06
RST38hor more likely, hd talking to whatever to prevent its restart20:06
javispedrothere's a word for this but sadly I don't know it20:06
DocScrutinizerI think bme and mce are doing similar things20:07
javispedroif two applications request 30 second timers20:07
javispedroiphb will try to merge them into one single wakeup20:07
javispedroto avoid cpu wakeups20:07
jonwilI count 95 files that link to libbmeipc20:07
DocScrutinizerwow20:07
javispedrojonwil: too many20:08
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jonwilwe have /usr/bin/testserver, whatever that is20:08
javispedroare you sure?20:08
javispedrothere's only like three packages20:08
jonwillibthermalobject_surface.so20:08
jonwilin dsme20:08
DocScrutinizer:nod:20:08
DocScrutinizerthe thermal mgmt shit20:09
jonwilhald-addon-bme talks to it20:10
jonwilpulseaudio has libnokia-common talking to it20:11
DocScrutinizeras mentioned above20:11
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jonwilmodule-nokia-music, module-nokia-record and module-nokia-voice20:11
DocScrutinizerpulseaudi   792      pulse  mem    REG      254,1     8312      26120 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.020:11
DocScrutinizerhald-addo   887       root  mem    REG      254,1     8312      26120 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.020:11
jonwila LOT of libs in /usr/lib/testserver talk to it20:12
DocScrutinizerwhatever that testserver might be20:12
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jonwil"This test server provides tests for production line and maintenance tests. It receives PhoNet messages through UART or USB and runs required tests using kernel drivers and responds to the messages."20:13
jonwilsounds like it exists so nokia service people can talk to it with some other software and test phone hardware at low level for faults20:13
DocScrutinizeranyway, mce closed has always been a major PITA as you can't even do silly simple things like tweak the way the system deals with kbd backlight20:16
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jonwilso yeah someone should file a lic change request for fremantle MCE then20:17
jonwilbtw, the thermalobject thing is open source. Although it looks like we dont have the bme\* include files required to compile it20:18
jonwilmaybe we should ask for libbmeipc0-dev package :P20:19
alteregoOh wow20:20
jonwiloh wow what?20:20
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: http://pastie.org/146738820:23
alteregoSee that interface: "org.ofono.CellBroadcast" ;)20:23
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jonwilSo its possible to get CBSMS to work on the N900 without the need to make risky mods to the cell-modem firmware?20:24
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alteregojonwil: this is MEeGo, not Maemo20:24
jonwilits still n900 and still the same cell firmware AFAIK20:24
alteregoThat was from meego, not maemo should I say.20:24
alteregoYeah, sure.20:24
DocScrutinizeralterego: oh wow20:24
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lardman|homewhat's a cell broadcast?20:25
DocScrutinizerSMS for the masses20:25
alteregolardman|home: usually contains information like your post code.20:25
lardman|homeand is sent to whom?20:26
alteregoEveryone20:26
jonwilits sent by the tower to everyone in range20:26
lardman|homewhy?20:26
SpeedEvilNot in the UK.20:26
lardman|homeoh I see20:26
alteregoSpeedEvil: it is in the UK20:26
jonwilIts usually used for a tower identity20:26
alteregoSpeedEvil: I've used it loads, though not all operators.20:26
DocScrutinizerthere are like 999 channels you can register with, and info sent is location specific - sometimes20:26
lardman|homeok20:26
SpeedEvilalterego: well - not int he operators I've looked at anyway witht he phone that supported20:27
jacekowskijonwil: risky mods to cell-modem?20:27
jacekowskijonwil: as in what sort of risk?20:27
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jonwilI just remember someone saying before that CBSMS on n900 was not possible due to cell modem firmware not supporting it20:27
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jonwiland I know that modifications to cell-modem firmware is usually risky or dangerous (it is on other phones)20:27
jonwilhence my comment20:27
DocScrutinizerGerman (and other?) O2 carrier sends Gauss-Wegener coords of BTS on CBC:22120:27
jacekowskiwell, its' not on n90020:27
jacekowskiyou can mod it20:28
jacekowskiflash it20:28
jacekowskiand in worst case scenario you will have to flash it back to stock firmware20:28
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Venemo_N900if you start a video from the file manager and ctrl+backspace from the media player before the video starts, it will play the video in the background20:28
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: wasn't cellmo FW checksum-signed or sth?20:29
jacekowskiit is20:29
jacekowskibut even if you break it20:29
jacekowskiyou can still flash it20:30
DocScrutinizer...but it won't work? :-P20:30
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jonwilhmmm, I dont know how CBSMS works or how SMS works on the N900 but maybe its possible to study MeeGo code for CBSMS and write something for maemo (kernel driver e.g.) that can grab the CBSMS away from the telephony stack and do stuff with it.20:30
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* jonwil makes note to study cbsms code for meego in detail20:31
jonwilworst case scenario is that its not possible without replacing SMS or telephony stack20:31
DocScrutinizerthere's CBSMS code for meego? o.O20:31
javispedrowell20:31
jonwilhttp://pastie.org/1467388 seems to imply there is20:31
javispedroofono is basically what the n900 uses but evolved and gpl'd20:31
MohammadAGhmm20:32
javispedroevolded=modularized, cleaned, etc.20:32
MohammadAGI can mix C and C++ without using wrappers right?20:32
DocScrutinizeryes20:32
ShadowJKif you're lucky20:32
jonwilif a way can be found to suppor t20:32
jonwilsupport CBSMS on fremantle20:32
ShadowJKthere are some incompatible differences20:33
jonwilwithout the need to replace the entire connectivity stack and all apps then20:33
jonwilthat would be a good thing20:33
DocScrutinizerfor sure20:33
alteregosomeone got ofono working on maemo aswell.20:33
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: yes, because c++ is a superset of c20:33
alteregoSo it's conceivable to replace what maemo uses with ofono and a new dialer etc.20:33
DocScrutinizerwell, ofono is using phonet, no? and it's foss20:34
alteregoYes20:34
jonwilit would be even better if its possible to support cbsms without the need to replace dialer and sms app and stuff20:34
alteregoPossibly ..20:35
alteregoIf it's possible, which is unlikely imo20:35
Venemo_N900alterego: meego uses ofono too, isn't it?20:35
jonwilI have made a note to study cbsms in ofono and meego20:35
jonwiland see how it works20:35
DocScrutinizerand iirc phonet is available even via tethering - se cdc_phonet20:35
DocScrutinizersee*20:35
alteregoVenemo_N900: indeed20:35
MohammadAGout with the dialer! muhahaha20:35
Venemo_N900alterego: reminds me, can I make phone calls with the earpiece on meego yet?20:36
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, but the code will be messed up right?20:36
ShadowJKC: int* foo; foo = malloc(sizeof(int));  C++: int *foo: foo = (int*) malloc(sizeof(int));, in C void* can be assigned to any pointer type, in C++ you need to cast20:36
MohammadAGalterego, not afaik20:36
* DocScrutinizer feels like mentioning that this string in ofono reply doesn't guarantee phonet really supports CBSMS20:36
ShadowJKThis makes some C not compile as C++ :)20:36
jonwilwell I will be looking into just what it does anyway20:36
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: not necessarily. if you care about clean code then it won't be messed up20:36
DocScrutinizerneither the cellmo FW20:36
jonwilit may be that it sujpports CBSMS on some future hardware we dont have yet20:37
alteregoVenemo_N900: not yet no :)20:37
ShadowJKand of course, if someone writes: int new=0; new++; which is valid C, it'll fail to compile as C++20:37
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: some c compilers also require you to cast from void*20:37
jonwilbut not on the n90020:37
Venemo_N900alterego: seriously, how hard is it to implement?20:37
ShadowJKVenemo_N900, which?20:37
alteregoVenemo_N900: probably more than you think, it's entire pulseaudio routing policies.20:38
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: maybe visual c does, I'm not sure20:38
alteregoSo it's not just about calls, it's about media playback, has to handle live diversion from loudspeaker to earpeice, headset, handle headset controls.20:38
ShadowJKmsvc isn't a c compiler :)20:38
alteregoI'm sure it's that that trivial, and it'll be ready soon enough :P20:38
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: oh, it has one20:38
ShadowJKIt fails on many valid C things20:39
javispedroalterego: it is trivial, but I guess they're trying to do it properly (using pulseaudio profiles for ex.) instead of the nokia way20:39
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: it is even stricter than gnu's sometimes20:39
jonwilbtw I seem to have a habit of comming into communities and doing cool stuff (like finding MCE code).20:39
ShadowJKVenemo_N900, it's "stricter" than the C standard in some cases20:39
Venemo_N900jonwil: mce code?20:39
ShadowJKmeaning it's really following C++ instead of C in some cases20:39
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: I think it uses an older standard.20:40
jonwilI found a source tree for MCE in the meego repos20:40
ShadowJKWell yeah, its outdatedness is also a problem :)20:40
jonwilhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce20:40
jonwilIts not the same as the one on the N90020:40
Venemo_N900ShadowJK: for example, it only allows declarations at the beginning of blocks, etc.20:40
alteregoI don't think meego uses mce :P20:40
jonwildoesnt matter what meego is using20:40
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you'd need to find out how to CBSMS in phonet API, either by scrutinizing ofono src or by reading phonet specs, and then see if BB5 RAPUYAMA modem in N900 plays nice when throwing these commands at it, or possibly throws an error20:40
javispedroalterego: that was my point a few hours above =)20:41
Venemo_N900alterego: seems that it has one now20:41
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alteregoNo, probably old redundant.20:41
javispedroyeah.20:41
jonwilbut yeah what matters is that MCE code is now open20:41
alteregoMaybe related to Harmatten device.20:41
jonwilso filing license change request for fremantle MCE means many arguments about why not to open it go away20:41
Venemo_N900alterego: maybe ask someone who knows for sure?20:41
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alteregotbh, I'm not interested.20:42
Venemo_N900alterego: the usually don't make harmattan components oss20:42
alteregoWe don't use MCE in the N900 adaptation, that I'm sure of20:42
DocScrutinizerjonwil: pnatd, on issueing the related AT cmds, replies ERROR20:42
jonwilis pnatd on fremantle or meego in this case?20:42
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Is pnatd a more cooked interface than is used by the phone/... stack?20:42
DocScrutinizerjonwil: this means either it's not implemented in pnatd, or cellmo doesn't support it20:42
alteregopnatd is maemo, meego doesn't have anything like that.20:43
Venemo_N900alterego: does sts know something about it?20:43
alteregoAsk him :P20:43
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I note - IIRC - it also doesn't support dialing.20:43
javispedropnatd??'20:43
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javispedropnatd does, it even launches the UI20:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: aiui it's a nobrainer AT translator to libisi20:43
jonwilDocScrutinizer, what are the AT commands in question?20:43
Venemo_N900alterego: atm I don't really care :P20:44
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: UI for CBSMS?20:44
javispedroDocScrutinizer: no, plain voice dialong.20:44
javispedro*dialing20:44
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that's not been the topic20:44
alteregoProbably AT+CGDCONT20:44
DocScrutinizerjonwil: sorry, I forgot.20:44
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javispedro(i was talking about dialing =) )20:45
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jonwilhow do I use pnatd?20:45
MohammadAGhmm20:45
MohammadAGI'll go with a wrapper20:45
MohammadAGnoobish question, what's the difference between void and static void?20:46
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: static functions can only be called from that file20:46
MohammadAGlike private?20:46
javispedroMohammadAG: static has many meanings in C20:46
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javispedrodepends on context, unfortunately.20:46
MohammadAGstatic void onRendererAdded(MafwRegistry* mafw_registry, GObject* renderer, gpointer user_data);20:47
MohammadAGfor one20:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: except static member functions (methods) of a class which mean that the method is related to the class, but not to any particular instance20:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: a static method declared in a c file means that that method can only be called from that file20:47
jonwilhmmm, damn, AT+CLAC isnt supported by whatever pnatd uses20:48
alteregopnatd doesn't use anything20:48
jonwilI mean by whatever it talks to20:48
alteregoit literally just translates a minimal AT command set.20:48
alteregoNo, you don't :P20:48
jonwilok, my mistake20:49
jonwilpnatd doesnt do what I thought it did20:49
mrdongle_ty for info DocScrutinizer20:49
jonwilIt doesnt work like the AT command daemon on other phones I know that sends AT commands to the baseband20:49
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: there are other meanings of the static keyword of course, depending on context20:49
alteregojonwil: yeah, quite a few phones work like that, but we talk to the Nokia baseband using phonet :P20:49
javispedrojonwil: http://lwn.net/Articles/303274/20:50
DocScrutinizerAT+CSCB... ?20:50
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: that's the point20:51
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DocScrutinizerBB5 is using some binary interface and phonet, aiui20:51
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DocScrutinizermeh, alterego was faster20:51
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jonwilso is someone going to file a license change request for fremantle MCE or not?20:52
javispedroi'm trying to think20:52
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, thanks20:52
Venemo_N900jonwil: someone tried afaik, but I can't recall the details20:53
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: \o/ thanks mate :-)20:53
javispedroasking about a relicense at this point is stupid, as the answer is "it already is"20:53
javispedrohowever20:53
javispedroasking for the missing plugins that were in fremantle isn't.20:53
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jonwilwell what we would be asking for is that source matching fremantle be released (or rather source that is compatible with all the closed bits in fremantle that talk to MCE and its plugins)20:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: we'd like to get 1.8 rather than 1.11 though, for mce20:54
javispedroimo it probably already is20:54
jonwilwhich of these drivers http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/trees/master/drivers matches the n900?20:54
javispedroisi20:55
jonwilI think its the isimodem20:55
jonwilok20:55
jonwilthats what I thought20:55
DocScrutinizerlibisi20:55
DocScrutinizeris what's used in N90020:55
DocScrutinizeraiui libisi is an interface to phonet20:55
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Venemo_N900jonwil: btw what are we hoping to achieve with all this?20:56
mrdongle_immortality20:57
jonwilwith ofono examination, the aim is to see if there is any way to get cbsms working on n90020:57
jonwilofono supports cbsms, ergo we need to see if whatever device-specific bits that cbsms support uses exist in the n900 device specific code20:57
luke-jrjonwil: why bother with license change requests?20:58
luke-jrjonwil: they'll just be ignored20:58
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Venemo_N900jonwil: what is cbsms?20:58
jonwilcbsms is broadcast SMS20:58
javispedroluke-jr: rather, everything that is not on the queue will be opened =920:58
Venemo_N900jonwil: never heard of them, sorry20:59
javispedroluke-jr: the stuff on the queue, being the important stuff, will never be.20:59
jonwilits used e.g. to send out a name or location for a cell tower20:59
* javispedro finds that funny.20:59
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jonwilworst that can happen if we file a license change request for fremantle MCE is that we get nothing and we use the MCE from the MeeGo repo as a source of info and code21:00
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trumeeis it possible to find out which operator has the best signal inside the house without buying their sim?21:00
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luke-jrtrumee: I asked the same a while ago21:00
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trumeeluke-jr, and?21:01
luke-jrnever got an answer21:01
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trumeewill this cbsms thing help this?21:02
luke-jrdoubt it21:02
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jonwilok, isimodem\cbs.c exists and has code21:03
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DocScrutinizernow that sounds promising21:04
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DocScrutinizertrumee: luke-jr: sure. When scanning for available networks, you should, in theory, get a list of *all* BTS in vicinity, together with signal strength21:05
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: if you want to wait 10 minutes at each extreme of your house sure21:06
luke-jrand even then you don't get signal strength, just "is it there"?21:06
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: got a better idea?21:06
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: something like kismet would be nice21:06
* DocScrutinizer suggests buying a Rhode&Schwartz GSM analyzer - only 80k$21:07
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: unlike kismet, for GSM you got some 1600 channels to scan21:08
luke-jryeah, $80k for something N900 should be able to do21:08
luke-jr1600 channels, really?21:08
jonwilI remember many years ago when I used to work for Motorola (back in the days when the RAZR was king) they had that kind of fancy gear in the lab21:08
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: N900 *is* able to do that. Just not as fast as you think it should be21:08
luke-jrpretty sure nobody else's phones take 10 minutes to find service21:09
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: it's called "show available networks"21:09
DocScrutinizerpretty sure every phone takes that long to find networks, in an unknown poor signal level environment21:10
DocScrutinizeranyway, seeya folks21:10
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ps: usually phones store channel and MNC of recently used BTS to SIM. So they get a connection rather fast on bootup. Given the location didn't change during downtime21:13
jonwilI get the feeling that reverse engineering some headers for libisi will be required to get cbsms working without replacing everything related to telephony. But hey, I like a challenge :)21:14
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: well, it could at least show signal strengths21:14
DocScrutinizer51ack21:15
javispedrojonwil: why? the isi protocol is pretty much understood21:15
jonwiloh ok if we know how to talk isi then it should just be a matter of writing something that sends the right stuff to the cellmodem21:15
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jonwilusing the ofono source as a base21:15
jonwilso we write e.g. libcbsms21:15
MohammadAGthp ping21:16
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: what I meant is that atd - does not work. So pnatd is doing something.21:16
DocScrutinizerjonwil: isn't that exactly what I suggested some lines up? :-D21:16
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jonwildidnt see it21:16
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vi_hi21:16
MohammadAGUI suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/8zjijd.jpg21:16
DocScrutinizer[2011-01-16 19:40:58] <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: you'd need to find out how to CBSMS in phonet API, either by scrutinizing ofono src or by reading phonet specs, and then see if BB5 RAPUYAMA modem in N900 plays nice when throwing these commands at it, or possibly throws an error21:17
vi_can somone tell me wtf the process 'bridge_work-que' is and why it is keeping my cpu awake all the time?21:17
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vi_seriously, it is running all the time21:18
korhojoa_http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/15/man-discovers-glasses-free-3d-tech-in-the-blink-of-an-eye-video/ when do we get this on our n900's ?21:18
vi_and destroying my battery life21:18
DocScrutinizerwhere phonet API == libisi AIUI21:19
trumeeDocScrutinizer, so is there any way to show signal strengths in xterm?21:19
jonwilheh, the fact that its 3am here doesn't help when it comes to following conversations :P21:20
DocScrutinizersure21:20
vi_yes21:20
DocScrutinizerdbus-monitor|grep signal21:20
jonwilshould probably go to bed and read ofono code some more tommorow21:20
DocScrutinizersth along that line21:20
vi_so bridge_work-que wtf is that?21:21
trumeeDocScrutinizer, for all the networks?21:21
jonwilcya21:21
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vi_for gsm radio21:21
vi_use iwconfig to see wifi21:21
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ui suggestions for what?21:21
DocScrutinizer51for servicing BTS aka your home tower21:21
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, the screenshot21:22
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: which?21:22
luke-jrinteresting fact: all Tonal/hexadecimal numbers ending in nolls/zeros always end in 6 when converted to decimal21:22
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> UI suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/8zjijd.jpg21:22
luke-jrand the tens place, is a pattern of 1 5 9 3 7, repeate21:23
vi_no shit base 10 base 1621:23
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javispedroit is hard for me to find justification for mce21:23
korhojoa_MohammadAG: well keep it consistent, are there other options than pal and ntsc?21:23
luke-jrvi_: cmon, at least  the tens place pattern is interesting?21:24
luke-jrkorhojoa_: HD?21:24
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: ehh? 0x20 = 3221:24
korhojoa_luke-jr: for video out on the n900?21:24
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: I'd use a value button for the aspect ratio21:24
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: I mean like 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 10000021:24
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: but it looks okay21:24
luke-jrkorhojoa_: oh.21:24
MohammadAGkorhojoa_, it started as a clone21:25
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, I was thinking of actually switching to ratio buttons21:25
korhojoa_okay. well, just choose either type and stick with it :D21:25
vi_seriously does any one know wtf bridge_work-que process is????????21:25
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: okay then21:25
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: but be consistent.21:25
korhojoa_vi_: what firmware are you on?21:26
vi_pr1.321:26
pahartiktrumee: For Bluetooth, "hcitool rssi <bdaddr>"21:26
korhojoa_vi_: did you bother doing a search?21:27
korhojoa_vi_: this took me less than three seconds http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5104021:27
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: that's pretty trivial, as 6*6=36. Same works for base15 as 5*5=2521:27
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: including the tens pattern?21:28
alteregoThe ofono API for CBSMS looks neat: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/ofono/blobs/d9a275c52ed846071a00a610b9a0d5ae6c238c14/doc/cell-broadcast-api.txt21:28
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luke-jractually, 5*… seems to always be 25 :P21:28
trxhow can i invoke "select connection" dialog? i am trying to use libconic but it just creates a connection without "select connection" dialog :/21:28
luke-jr6*… is 3 1 9 7 521:29
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MohammadAGwhat's the opposite of widescreen again? :P21:32
javispedroportrait21:32
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MohammadAGerr, that's not 4:3 :p21:33
trxthe "not wide screen" :)21:33
javispedroMohammadAG: DocScrutinizer51: jonwil: bug #1179421:33
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11794 Open Fremantle's MCE21:33
korhojoa_Thinscreen, obviously21:33
MohammadAGdid you fuck up and link to bme? :)21:33
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javispedroIt had to happen.21:34
javispedrodoesn't matter, classification is right21:34
javispedro(bme is L6)21:34
javispedro(while I correctly stated that mce is L7)21:34
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vi_yeah i saw that thread, completly irrelevant.  I dont have any media files21:35
thpMohammadAG: pong21:35
JaffaMohammadAG: There's not really a term for "not widescreen", unless you get into the technical 12F9 etc.21:36
javispedroMohammadAG: feel free to add anything to it.21:36
SpeedEvil4:#21:38
SpeedEvil4:321:38
korhojoa_what's that, some new smiley?21:38
korhojoa_cat with a hat?21:38
trxlol21:38
korhojoa_I know this one's a lion >:321:38
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JaffaMohammadAG: Terms you might be thinking of: "SD" (in US, because widescreen came along with HD). "4:3", "letterbox" (for showing widescreen content in a 4:3 frame, also "16L12"), "12F12" (i.e. 12:9 image in a 12:9 frame)21:39
kerioJESUS CHRIST GET IN THE CAR21:39
MohammadAGthp, http://i55.tinypic.com/1zyf19f.jpg21:40
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MohammadAGJaffa, it's an object name, so I just used nonWsRadio :P21:40
JaffaMohammadAG: Ah, sounds sensible :-)21:41
MohammadAGthp, less clicks with that UI21:41
JaffaMohammadAG: Suggest change "TV out on" to "Clone display to TV"21:41
JaffaMohammadAG: The "on" is implicit in the [  ]21:41
MohammadAGdone21:43
MohammadAGbtw21:43
DocScrutinizer51alterego: indeed, this ofono cbsms spec looks good21:43
MohammadAGthe save button is in the correct position now, it looks stupid in the screenshot21:43
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thpMohammadAG: nice :) only needs a horizontal scale for zoom factor21:45
MohammadAGthp, yeah, and signals connected21:45
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MohammadAGneed to learn about wrapping C in C++ :)21:45
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: read the wikipedia article21:45
MohammadAGhehe21:45
MohammadAGwhich one?21:46
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrapper_function and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrapper_library21:47
* alterego wonders what "rat" means.21:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: they are more generic than you need, but they should give you the idea21:47
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: I can also show you an example one21:47
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alteregoDocScrutinizer51: this might be interesting for you to: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/matd21:49
MohammadAGVenemo_N900, mafw's an example no?21:49
DocScrutinizer51wrap C in C++? sounds like wrapping beef in steaks21:49
Appiahyummy21:50
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: the mafw wrapper code in the media player is actually not very nic21:50
Venemo_N900e21:50
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer51: I like your metaphors21:50
MohammadAGdon't we all21:51
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MohammadAGthp, Jaffa http://i53.tinypic.com/15yiygy.jpg21:53
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JaffaMohammadAG: Cool. I think "zoom factor" has "factor" superfluously. What does "2" mean? Double?22:00
MohammadAGthink so, I actually never used the app, just helping out :P22:01
Jaffa:)22:01
lardman|afkshould convert to a percentage and get rid of factor22:01
* lardman|afk heads back out :)22:01
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thpMohammadAG: great :)22:07
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DocScrutinizerYUCK   @brief MCE backlight control AT+CBKLT22:12
alteregoHeh22:12
javispedroheh22:20
javispedroso the guys behind the audio policies actually wanted to do a fmrx app that used the analog bypass22:21
javispedroi guess they also ran out of time.22:21
MohammadAGwhy?22:21
javispedrothe "fmrx" source enables the bypass22:21
javispedroin pulse22:21
javispedrobut without actually using pulse.22:21
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javispedroit also forces output to headphones22:24
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Venemo_N900Jaffa: so what do you think about puzzle master? :)22:40
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JaffaVenemo_N900: Not tried it yet - features and screenshots look shiny :-)22:40
Venemo_N900Jaffa: give it 5 minutes22:41
Venemo_N900Jaffa: if you're hesitating, ask MohammadAG or alterego if it's worth it :P22:41
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JaffaVenemo_N900: I'm sure it's worth it; I'm just trying to get to bed ;-)22:45
JaffaVenemo_N900: Will install it and play with it on way to work (since I also have to enable extras-devel)22:46
Venemo_N900Jaffa: oh, sorry :P22:46
Venemo_N900Jaffa: you could dl the deb directly if you prefer to avoid devel22:46
JaffaVenemo_N900: No, happy to install individual apps from there; I just don't keep it on all the time.22:46
JaffaVenemo_N900: If it's ready enough for some users; push it to -testing, perhaps.22:47
Venemo_N900Jaffa: ok. I don't keep extras and testing on. :P22:47
Venemo_N900Jaffa: wanted to, but I'd like to release a bugfix release first22:48
Venemo_N900Jaffa: but my laptop is at repair atm, so I can't22:49
Venemo_N900Jaffa: I don't want the buggy version to go to testing22:49
JaffaFair enough22:49
Venemo_N900Jaffa: not many bugs (noone noticed), but still.22:51
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MohammadAGhmm22:53
MohammadAGJaffa, it's worth it :P22:53
MohammadAGWhatever happened to the RX-71?22:53
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: either that is the unreleased harmattan device, or the unreleased fremantle device (rumoured N920)22:54
MohammadAGit's fremantle, I'm sure22:55
MohammadAGbut why was it dropped22:55
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: because nokia management is nuts22:55
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: maybe it also had something to do with announcing MeeGo, or the recent firing of a few thousand people22:56
MohammadAGbut it was there since N8x0 times afaik22:57
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: then maybe it was some prototype never intended to the public? who knows22:57
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: there was also a cancelled Maemo device between 770 and N800 afaik22:58
MohammadAGhmm22:58
JaffaMohammadAG: It's not inconceivable it's a dev board.23:00
RST38hRX-71 is a dev board, afaik23:01
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames will tell you something23:02
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: see the "Hardware" section23:03
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jacekowskidoes 0x01a0 mean anything to anybody23:39
jacekowskior 416 in decimal23:40
jacekowskior 0x4823:41
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chxThe Spectrum 48 was a truly amazing machine. (/me is always helpful)23:43
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RobotnixonIs there any chance that BBM can be ported to the n900??23:58
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Robotnixonor atleast the whatsapp???23:58
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