IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-10-09

deltso DocScrutinizer: holding down "home" button ie. 2-diagonal-squares ALL ALONG with no interruption, or if i accidentally release it when flipping the n810 over i have to start uh.... "over :)" ?00:00
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DocScrutinizerdelt: just hold it down during possible power up events, so if you insert battery and that doesn't cause device to start up, then there's no need to keep it pressed until you power it up by next action00:02
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deltah, thats what i thought, thanks =)00:02
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deltso, re-removed the battery, stopped maemo-flasher (ctrl+c) ... unplugged usb...00:02
nox-luke-jr_, they knocked you off just bc you tried some dual-sim `hacks'?00:04
DocScrutinizernox-: probably because he tried to tunnel everything thru DNS00:05
nox-haha00:05
deltmmm... nope... still getting the boot menu stuff first :(00:05
javispedrolately, every time I've entered this channel the topic is restoring someone's misflashed N900/N8x0 =)00:05
DocScrutinizerdelt: charge your battery00:05
javispedrodid someone finally posted that device-bricker on tmo?00:05
GAN900javispedro, clearly you should stop breaking people's devices, then.00:06
deltwhich goes straight to usb-over-network recover mode since i have "home" pressed down00:06
deltDocScrutinizer: so 85% - 90% is not enough?00:06
javispedroGAN900: heh, or try to perfect my methodology =)00:06
ShadowJKtypically in N8x0, 3 out of 4 bars means 50%..00:07
ShadowJKyeah; nokia ui logic...00:07
DocScrutinizerdelt: obviously - though I wonder what makes you think it's at 85-9000:07
deltShadowJK: i have that "extras" package that changes the battery thing to a better one + menu where it says exact %00:07
delt...or was that in extras...? i think so00:07
deltanyway, putting the n810 on charger for now.....00:09
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deltoh DocScrutinizer: that option in bootmenu "Power off (when not on charger)" should reliably power off the n810? ie. no need to remove battery etc etc...?00:09
DocScrutinizerdunno00:10
javispedroMohammadAG51: there?00:10
DocScrutinizerprobably00:10
deltmkay, anyway same behaviour here when doing 16:48 < DocScrutinizer> remove full battery, start flasher, plug in USB, insert battery, hold home button, power up N8x000:11
MohammadAG51[10549.280975] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered the fuck00:11
javispedroyou'd be surprised at how many times your desktop GFX also resets itself00:12
deltso... is there a VERY DETAILED page with all technical info about BOOTMENU somewhere?00:12
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delti just re-ran "pb" and selected zero seconds as delay... still shows me the list of partitions (2 partitions + power off when not on charger) for several minutes then switches off00:13
deltand before installing bootmenu, this always worked fine (turn off, hold down home while turning on) ... without all that remove battery, THEN plug in usb, THEN put battery back in etc... crap00:15
DocScrutinizerdelt: damn, then deinstall bootmenu! it won't change anything probably, except it boots normal system then instead of bootmenu00:16
DocScrutinizercharge your friggin battery!00:16
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deltDocScrutinizer: 1. how? 2. will do00:16
javispedrothere's no bq27xxx -- so it might be hard to do if the device does not boot00:16
deltbulk q&a =)00:17
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delti'd presume bootmenu isn't a package that gets installed on the root filesystem? (esp. since it isnt even mounted yet!!)00:17
Antonishello folks I need help. how do I install something in N900 using terminal? when I try with apt-get install package it tells me I am not root. when I use sudo it asks for password which I don't know00:18
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deltif that was the case, i guess i could run the app. manager and then there would be an app called "Change your N8x0 into a N900" that would actually change the CPU, memory, flash chips, etc... whoa! =)00:19
jogaAntonis: you need to do this first http://wiki.maemo.org/Root00:20
deltworst thing is, root account doesn't even have a password iirc =)00:20
jogaso it can't log in ;p00:21
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delt"sudo gainroot" i think is the 'normal' way to get a root "shell" (that is, "busybox" posing as a shell)00:22
jogaI've made it so I get bash00:22
jogaI think I just made an extra alias 'root' for that though00:22
MohammadAG51javispedro, yeah, but this znc is lagging like hell! (pokes DocScrutinizer)00:22
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javispedrosorry MohammadAG51, pm'd you00:23
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deltfor a while i had /bin/sh -> bash but someone here on #maemo said it was a bad idea...00:24
deltsince busybox's "sh" mode emulated a "ash" shell type iirc00:25
Antonisthanks joga00:26
luke-jr_nox-: I didn't try anything00:26
luke-jr_they knocked me off because i didn't refill within 90 days00:27
luke-jr_and claim they can't reactivate it00:27
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luke-jr_so I'm just serviceless again00:27
luke-jr_oh well ☹00:27
nox-oh00:27
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luke-jr_unless there's a way to crack their network00:27
Antonisone more thing, since I don't actually have N900 but try to help a friend, when I go to application manager where exactly do I find the apps to install? I mean, I have enabled Extras, but when I tell him go to application manager and install he says there is no app list or something00:27
deltwtf?? wiki.maemo.org search "bootmenu" --->00:27
deltThere is no page titled "bootmenu". You can create this page.00:27
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deltpartial matches, etc etc... blablabla....00:28
deltso anyone telling me to RTFM can go WTFM00:28
nox-luke-jr_, was that prepaid?  (xtracard or whatever its called?)00:28
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luke-jr_Prepaid, yes00:28
deltok, so enought ranting, whining & shit for today.... cya00:29
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nox-luke-jr_, where are you, u.s.?00:30
javispedroas a prepaid owner I sometimes feel like if I where public enemy #1 of my carrier....00:30
javispedro*were00:30
nox-heh00:30
* nox- currently on `pennymobil' bc most of the time i use wifi...00:31
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* SpeedEvil is using T-mobile prepaid in the UK.00:31
luke-jr_nox-: yes00:31
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: znc is fine00:31
SpeedEvil6 months 1G/mo internet for 20 quid. (~$30)00:31
Antonisnevermind he is blind :P00:31
jogaAntonis: in app manager there's download00:31
jogaheh00:31
Antonishehe yeap found it :d00:32
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* javispedro gets Euro 1.5 for 1day/10MiB :(00:32
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javispedroand they won't make me a real offer even after spending _too much_ on their stupid services because of "emergencies".00:34
javispedrodamn n900. they should have made another tablet!00:34
nox-luke-jr_, ok then i dont know much about your notwork, but current sims can't be `cracked' i think00:35
luke-jr_SIMs don't need to be cracked, carriers do00:35
luke-jr_and probably not because N900 is too closed00:35
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deltuh quick question: i plug the n810 into the charger and i get: white nokia screen for 2 seconds, then boot menu. is this normal?00:49
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Myrttino, not really00:49
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deltMyrtti: was that in reply to my question?00:50
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deltok so anyway...00:52
deltDocScrutinizer: charging battery.....00:52
jacktheripperis a reboot loop with a desktop any better than a reboot loop without a desktop ?00:54
deltDocScrutinizer: n810 was turned off, and well, like i said above :/00:54
deltjacktheripper: i'd tend to say better, because whatever causes the reboot happens later in the startup sequence?00:55
deltbut that's just me, and i dont know much about maemo :/00:55
jacktheripperdelt, of course. But is it better towards fixing it ?00:55
jacktheripperah00:55
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deltwell, i'd say since more stuff is already loaded/init'd/etc...you have more tools available to fix it. (just my un-educated guess)00:58
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luke-jr_T-Mobile idiots tried to sell me a $25/mo data plan that's 200 MB…01:03
SpeedEvilWow.01:03
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luke-jr_so I just pointed out that I'd need to limit my usage to less than dialup to use that :p01:03
luke-jr_since dialup can pass 200 MB in under a da01:03
luke-jr_sigh01:04
luke-jr_USA is so third-world country :/01:04
javispedro... and they sued you for libel?01:04
luke-jr_javispedro: what?01:04
javispedro=)01:04
javispedroI mean T-Mobile, not USA =)01:05
luke-jr_I miss the prepaid plan they just killed off on me :<01:05
luke-jr_in practice I wasn't paying anything since they only billed for voice service01:05
javispedroheh01:06
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GAN900luke-jr_, hey, at least we still have more of our freedom than most of the world. *g*01:06
luke-jr_curiously, the lady on the phone told me they have "excellent coverage" here01:06
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luke-jr_GAN900: only slightly01:06
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javispedromy carrier hates me for not using text or voice even though I dutifully pay data, so...01:07
GAN900luke-jr_, better than not at all. ;)01:07
luke-jr_javispedro: so they'll eventually just turn you off too? :p01:07
GAN900luke-jr_, and per-state BS doesn't count. :P01:07
luke-jr_javispedro: I actually said that on the phone when they claimed to be hte best deal01:08
luke-jr_"not compared to T-Mobile Europe"01:08
luke-jr_:p01:08
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javispedroluke-jr_: heh :)01:09
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javispedroI still remember the day they sent me some junk mail telling me to go visit their site to get "all new great free phones". After entering my phone number the list of avail phones emptied itself (via some quite slow javascript) in what I can only describe as the 21st century version of "you're an unworthy customer".01:11
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delt.... so, if i had this bootmenu thing, AND only 1 filesystem, ... which ends up not-bootable... this thing would be completely dead, right?01:13
GAN900Monopolies are never a good thing.01:13
javispedroactually it's no longer a monopoly here, around three to four companies. but still.01:15
deltbah... anyway, bbl :/ thanks all for the info/help...01:15
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GAN900javispedro, practical monopoly.01:16
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javispedroindeed01:17
javispedroalso, they offer dirt cheap voice rates as long as all your calls happen to be within the same carrier =)01:17
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javispedrohmpf. if they removed the usb plugged in check from fmtx middleware in 1.2, why not remove the headphones plugged in check while they were at it?01:25
GAN900Because it actually matters?01:27
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* javispedro ponders something01:27
GAN900Doesn't really make a difference, anyway, as they drop the power so much as to make it unusable when USB is plugged in.01:27
SpeedEvilConnect a USB cable - dangling01:28
javispedroah, it's just that they can't detect the usb cable when it's dangling01:28
javispedronot that they removed the check :P01:28
javispedrohmpf.01:28
SpeedEvilPlay FMTX, and take to extreme range.01:28
SpeedEvilNow, unplug usb cable01:28
SpeedEvilsignal goes away01:28
SpeedEvilThe designed range is between 3 and 5m01:28
javispedroSpeedEvil: I personally use v4l to use the fmtx altogether because without a cable it's unusable01:28
javispedrobut this is for a friend's device, and bash would scare him.01:29
javispedro*v4l-ctl01:29
SpeedEvilI suggest queen-beecon01:29
* javispedro takes a look01:30
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jacktherippercan anyone here help me against my bootloop and pastebin `dpkg -S /usr/lib/microb-engine` from their N900 ? :)01:31
SpeedEvilmicrob-engine-common, microb-engine, libnspr4, microb-eal, libwidgetutils, libnss3, libnss3-certs, nokia-maps-core: /usr/lib/microb-engine01:31
javispedrojacktheripper: there is a package appropiately named "microb-engine"01:31
javispedrooops, late.01:31
jacktheripperthanks a bunch01:32
SpeedEvilnp01:32
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jacktheripperI had that installed01:32
jacktheripperand as you see, tons of packages install into that01:32
* SpeedEvil notes firefox 4 is available.01:32
jacktheripperfor maemo ?!01:32
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SpeedEvilyes01:32
jacktherippergotta try that01:33
nox-oh?01:33
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/01:33
nox-thx :)01:35
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jacktheripperSpeedEvil, did you mean fennec by firefox4 ?02:10
SpeedEvilno02:10
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/02:10
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javispedrofirefox mobile = fennec02:11
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta02:11
jacktheripperummm http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/beta/ gives me "fennec is already installed"02:11
SpeedEvildunno02:11
SpeedEvilIt installed fine here - though I did not previously have fennec installed02:11
SpeedEviljavispedro: Perhaps.02:11
SpeedEviljavispedro: However, it was nowhere branded as fennec02:12
javispedroit is, they renamed long ago02:12
jacktheripperSpeedEvil, could you check if you have 'fennec' installed NOW ?02:12
javispedrolol, also android. I have to wonder if they shipped their own libc, or used bionic?02:12
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BigWookieHi, i have a very strange problem with Madde , it seems the Emulation is working, but i don't get any image on the qemu window, in the shell I can do everything02:14
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prontodoes anyone knwo where fmms saves its photos?02:27
lcukbhi javispedro \o02:30
prontoand nevermind, i just found it02:30
lcukfor the record, where does it save them02:31
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: do we know exactly how much battery current flashlight will cause?02:31
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lcukDocScrutinizer, I believe thats already documented somewhere based on the spec of the lights02:32
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: yes, I think so. Just want to check back, to finally decide on RS once and for all02:33
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* lcuk nods02:33
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: it's on the order of 100mA02:33
SpeedEvilI forgret exactly.02:33
SpeedEvil7.2V*50mA*1.1/3.602:34
DocScrutinizererr yep, * efficiency02:34
DocScrutinizeraah, 1.102:34
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DocScrutinizercorrect?02:34
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: how do you know the LED Vfwd is 3.6, or 7.2 for 2 in series?02:36
SpeedEvil7.202:37
SpeedEvil2 in series02:37
SpeedEvilIt will be - all blue/white LEDs are.02:37
SpeedEvil(plus or minus 15%)02:37
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DocScrutinizerhmm, not good enough to test for RS02:43
DocScrutinizerI've changed the first 2 lines of the script like02:44
DocScrutinizer# Assuming 30 mOhm sense resistance02:44
DocScrutinizerRS=${RS:-30}02:44
DocScrutinizerbut I finally want to know what to write there02:45
SpeedEvilSigh.02:45
SpeedEvilI keep getting delayed.02:45
DocScrutinizerplease, let's change topic before I blush02:46
SpeedEvilBut tomorrow with luck when I drag the PSU back in from the shed where ti is charging lead-acid batteries for winter.02:46
DocScrutinizer~lart Nokia, for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?"02:47
* infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Nokia, is stuck to the floor for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?"02:47
DocScrutinizer~botsnak02:48
DocScrutinizer~botsnack02:48
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)02:48
DocScrutinizer~good bot02:48
infobotDocScrutinizer: :)02:48
BigWookie;_; Can't somebody help me please, I'm trying to get the mulator to work for 5 hours now, after the Nokia Bootsplash i just won't ouput any image , even in vnc mode.. on a similiar netbook it is working ... i can even ssh to it and mes with everyting... ( madde out of NokiaQtSDK AND Latest madde release)02:50
javispedrohi lcuk02:51
javispedro:p02:51
lcuk\o javispedro02:52
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wmaroneand it's keeping the CPU pegged... :/02:55
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DocScrutinizerhah, maybe I can power N900 from a GTA02 smartbat, and read out the bq27000 values :-P03:42
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ieatlintDocScrutinizer: you're drunk03:50
SpeedEvilIt's not in principle an insane idea.03:50
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lcukDocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil - completely offtopic.  i charged up my battery for my helicopter03:53
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I wish I were03:54
lcukand when i plugged it in the power to the main rotors was good until I hit a level, then when it got fastest it crapped out seriously03:54
SpeedEvillcuk: did you get out OK?03:55
DocScrutinizerhmm03:55
lcukSpeedEvil, yeah03:55
lcukit was just odd03:55
SpeedEvillcuk: crashes can be bad, especially if not buckled in.03:55
lcukthe RC unit was responding fint03:55
lcukfine03:55
SpeedEvilli-ion cells are flaky used at high powers.03:56
ieatlinti don't have a helicopter :(03:56
SpeedEvilthey can need fairly regular replacement.03:56
lcukits been idle for 18months@03:56
SpeedEvilProlly needs replacementr03:56
lcukhave one ordered03:56
DocScrutinizerouch03:56
SpeedEvilI have a hoverboard design.03:56
lcukjust thought I would fire up that one and see03:56
SpeedEvilBut no funding. :)03:56
lcukheh03:56
DocScrutinizerlcuk: 18 months without maintenance?03:57
lcuk:) my dad bought me a helicopter a while ago03:57
lcukI just thought I would try and fly it :)03:57
lcukyeah DocScrutinizer03:57
DocScrutinizerget rid of that cell03:57
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lcukDocScrutinizer, have done, not even tried to tweak it03:57
lcukthe new one is on the way03:57
SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU03:57
SpeedEvilis fun03:57
lcukholy crap!03:58
SpeedEvilIndeed. :)03:58
ieatlinthoverboard? like back to the future style?03:59
lcukSpeedEvil, actual mobile HB?03:59
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lcukor the fakey type03:59
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SpeedEvillcuk: sort-of.03:59
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SpeedEvillcuk: 60Kg or so weight, ~1m*1m, accellerates up at 2G04:00
SpeedEvillcuk: With a 100Kg passenger.04:00
DocScrutinizerbah, a decent H2 explosion in a room full of lead acid batteries. That's much better04:00
SpeedEvillcuk: tops out at maybe 4Km.04:00
SpeedEvillcuk: basically a closely packed array of ducted fans.04:01
SpeedEvilAnd rather a lot of lithium-ion cells.04:01
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DocScrutinizer3kF :-D04:02
DocScrutinizererr 104:03
dsgAnyone tried the firefox beta?04:05
SpeedEvilyes04:05
SpeedEvilseems to work.04:05
dsgTheir repos are still broken (malformed Release file  error here)04:05
SpeedEvilNot tried it much04:05
dsgSpeedEvil: Where'd you download it?04:05
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/04:06
SpeedEvilthen find the download link04:06
nox-yeah i reported that in the mozilla irc and was even pointed to this thread:  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6350804:07
* nox- had reported with with the 2.0 nightlies as well, guess fixing that is low priority... :)04:08
dsgThanks04:08
nox-s/with with/that with/04:08
SpeedEvilIt 'just worked' for me.04:08
nox-the install via http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta ?04:09
SpeedEvilyes04:09
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nox-hm weird04:09
nox-maybe its a l10n issue?04:10
deltok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power"04:10
deltso if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly.04:10
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SpeedEvilbattery may need replaced04:12
deltweird, a few days ago this worked constantly, with no hassle, on a battery 5-10% full04:14
SpeedEvildunno04:14
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delt*sigh*... so any way to enable "rd mode" from the n810 itself?04:15
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deltOR any proper DETAILED documentation on this "boot menu" thing???04:15
deltjust wondering how im supposed to RE-FLASH this device if i fucked it up (which is probably the case)04:16
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deltso, DocScrutinizer: pressing the POWER button and selecting SWITCH OFF... SWITCHES OFF the device, yes or no?04:18
deltor do i still have to remove the battery, THEN hold down "home" THEN plug the usb etc etc....?04:19
DocScrutinizerdelt: how the hell shall I know?04:19
deltyou told me to do all that "remove battery, hold down HOME button" etc...right?04:19
deltthen, didnt work after 10-15 tries you told me "go charge the battery" which i am just back from doing.04:20
delt21:12 < delt> ok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power"04:20
delt21:12 < delt> so if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly.04:20
deltso if you're not sure about something, just say "i'm not sure" instead of wasting several hours of my time. Ok thanks a lot.04:21
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DocScrutinizerdelfsckoff04:21
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DocScrutinizerIDIOT04:22
pupnikwell nice to see you say idiot04:24
pupnikwhen it's not a response to something i said04:24
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DocScrutinizerI'm only calling suckers names that actually waste my time and blame me for wasting theirs04:27
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DocScrutinizeroh, and really SO SORRY my crystal ball fails to diagnose what's going on inside your device, over that distance. Of course a bit of thinking would have revealed I can tell for sure the device is off when battery is removed, but obviously I fail miserably to promise with absolute certainty that hitting "shut down" will actually do that04:31
DocScrutinizeronce again04:31
DocScrutinizerIDIOT04:31
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DocScrutinizerraster: hi, pal04:34
rasterDocScrutinizer:  grumpy doc?04:35
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DocScrutinizerpissed by idiot user with vampire attitude04:35
rasterheheheh04:35
rasterenough of them out there :)04:35
DocScrutinizeryep04:35
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OutpostMEmaemo ftw \o/05:05
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: drop op?05:24
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, /msg chanserv deop Stskeeps?05:25
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DocScrutinizerTermana: faster this way, less typing :-P05:27
Termana:p05:27
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pupnik plan to fight the police once in your life05:28
pupnik plan to fight the police once in your life05:29
DocScrutinizerEUNIQ05:29
Termanapupnik, any particular reason you found the phrase good enough to spam in 3 channels? (and probably more)05:31
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johnxpupnik, actually my plan is generally to *avoid* fighting the police05:32
pupniktoo few channels Termana05:33
DocScrutinizerpupnik: create new ones! it's easy, and they are all just yours :-P05:33
pupnikwe all grow old, and more responsible05:34
johnxgrowing old: can't do much about that05:34
* DocScrutinizer smells pupnik's political hour approaching05:34
johnxbut I do tend to avoid having unnecessary responsibility dropped on me05:34
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pupnikjohnx: dropped = forced, no?05:35
johnxinteresting question. I'd have to say no05:35
johnxif someone else drops the ball, I may feel compelled to pick it up but I'm not forced to05:35
pupnikwhat are we doing here, johnx05:36
pupnikwhy are you and i talking05:36
johnxbecause I've been drinking05:36
pupnikwhy do we care05:36
DocScrutinizerand why in this channel :-D05:36
pupnikno05:36
pupnikthis is very core05:36
pupnikto the soul of maemo and meego05:36
pupnikwhy do we care05:36
OutpostMEbecause it's about balls05:37
johnxbecause the alternatives are worse05:37
DocScrutinizerhehe05:37
pupnikwell, it's worth thinking about05:37
pupnikmaybe it's hard to describe05:38
pupnikbut... hear now05:38
* johnx hears now05:38
pupnikyou don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your OS05:38
pupnikyou don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your monetary supply --- end the FEDERAL RESERVE05:39
pupnikduyurrrrr05:39
DocScrutinizerdamn, an untrusted jerk is controlling ALL my OS ;-P05:39
pupnikright05:39
pupnikshoot them05:39
pupnikwith gun05:39
pupniktok tok05:39
johnxpupnik, you've been drinking too, haven't you?05:39
pupniknaw05:40
pupnikshoot the people who are printing money05:40
TermanaDocScrutinizer, all your OS are belong to jerks05:40
pupnikwhat a funny idea :)05:40
DocScrutinizerpupnik has a schedule in his PIM for those philosophical hours05:40
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Termanalol05:40
DocScrutinizerTermana: only one, and he's looking at me every morning in the bathroom05:41
Termanaheh :p05:41
pupniktok tok.. .hey it works05:41
pupniklook the ..05:41
TermanaDocScrutinizer, Consider this a good thing, my first reaction wasn't "yourself", it was, "do you live with pupnik?"05:42
Termana:P05:42
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DocScrutinizerlol05:42
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nox-haha05:43
DocScrutinizerbtw which FSCKNG monetary supply?05:44
DocScrutinizerhey Mister, spare a dime!05:45
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misc--is there a way to start a program automatically when a certain network interface starts?05:59
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TermanaN900misc--, shouldn't you be able to take advantage of upstart for that?06:01
misc--ahh maybe... I will check it out06:02
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airwho here loves finding memory leaks and wants to do it for me? :)06:18
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LiraNunahttp://www.intomobile.com/2010/10/04/nokia-n9-hardware-is-nearly-perfect/08:16
LiraNuna:O08:16
ikke-tis it safe to run diablo sdk installer on top of fremantle sdk? or should it be done installing manually using root-straps?08:19
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ikke-ti want to have both envs, and already have fremantle....08:20
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spinningcompassikke-t: The framework supports both, I think. You can switch between them w/ sbmenu09:05
* MohammadAG51 hates the MeeGo UI09:06
MohammadAG51seriously, fremantle's UI owns it09:07
psycho_oreosalas N9's unreleased hardware is much cooler than n900's imo09:08
MohammadAG51the N9 probably has a different UI, and is based on MeeGo + debian09:10
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, is there a spec list anywhere?09:10
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, no, just lots of rumours I'm afraid09:11
MohammadAG51if the device eldar has is the N9, it sucks in terms of looks :P09:12
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, supposedly it'll feature 1GHz ARM CPU, with wl1271 (802.11n capable) wifi, 64GB onboard memory, etc09:12
* MohammadAG51 is interested in RAM09:12
psycho_oreosheh I dunno09:13
psycho_oreosjust lots of leaks.. much like PR1.309:13
MohammadAG51err?09:14
MohammadAG511.3 was leaked?09:14
psycho_oreosand I must admit that n9 looks almost like n8 except probably thicker for proper keyboard09:14
psycho_oreosnah the info and speculations were leaked09:14
MohammadAG51the N8 looks like the E6609:14
psycho_oreosn8 looks fugly09:15
TermanaN900exactly and the n9 looks exactly like it09:16
TermanaN900thereby being fugly as well09:16
gggsWow I didn't know a guy from Palm was hired by Nokia for MeeGo09:16
wmaroneheh09:16
wmaroneI can totally tolerate fugly if it's got good specs09:16
psycho_oreosgggs, it was, the senior vice-president of nokia devices (or handsets) quit after the CEO was laid off along with another exec09:18
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MohammadAG51"it"? was09:18
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psycho_oreosI guess if n9 looks similar to n8, it'll be good to diss a few symbian fans ;)09:18
* MohammadAG51 was a symbian fan09:19
psycho_oreos`cool game! is that a n8?'... `nah its an n9' :D09:20
* MohammadAG51 wonders when the neopwn kernel source is coming out09:21
gggspsycho_oreos: An article says he was with Palm for 11 years, so I'm assuming he didn't contribute to it's downfall09:21
* psycho_oreos hated symbian and still isn't a fan of symbian09:21
gggss/it's/its09:21
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, i've never heard of maemo before09:22
MohammadAG51and iOS is meh09:22
MohammadAG51android isn't popular09:22
psycho_oreosgggs, well there was a news article about it and the outgoing vice president's departure had nothing to do with the outing of Nokia's CEO09:22
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, lies :p09:22
TermanaN900MohammadAG51, never heard of what before? :p09:22
gggspsycho_oreos: PalmOS was a great platform for its time, lets hope he can start MeeGo off on the right foot09:26
psycho_oreosgggs, I've heard that WebOS on Palm was nice but I've previously owned a Palm device (m505) it wasn't that particularly great.. I hope the new guy knows a thing or two about linux and to keep meego on its right path, rather than stripping away user's rights09:28
wmaronehe's focused on the UI09:28
wmaronenot "whether users can get root access"09:28
psycho_oreosUI is part of the root access and access to proper tools09:28
psycho_oreoserr root access is part of the UI should I say09:29
wmaroneno, not really.09:29
psycho_oreosand how is it not? every maemo device probably had an integrated feature to enable root mode09:29
wmaronesure, but that's not part of the UI09:29
wmaroneit could be part of the bootloader09:29
psycho_oreosI highly doubt its part of the bootloader09:30
MohammadAG51NOLO doesn't know shit about root09:31
wmaronewell, it doesn't need to09:31
gggspsycho_oreos: That's a good point, it'd be interesting to see09:31
wmaroneit just needs to pass down info09:31
gggspsycho_oreos: I had an m105, the main reason I ditched it after a year or two was because the touchscreen kept dieing, it went back on warranty at least 4 or 5 times09:32
psycho_oreosgggs, I gotta admit the idea of stylus writing was nice but its support on alternative platforms at the time wasn't that great and plus you needed to learn how to write it in its way09:33
psycho_oreosgggs, fyi: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-s-MeeGo-VP-leaves-1102467.html09:34
psycho_oreosand root access I still believe is part of the UI, UI is a very broad term, not to be confused with simply just GUI09:34
psycho_oreosahh this was the one I read yesterday: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Loses-MeeGo-VP-Ari-Jaaksi-Another-One-Bites-the-Dust-159494.shtml09:37
wmaronein that case, root access must absolutely not be part of the UI, otherwise your design efforts have failed utterly. It should be available to those who want it, of course.09:37
psycho_oreosroot access is part of the UI no matter how you look at it unless you're one of those who can only think that root access must be a means of jailbreaking one's devices like what one has to do with the likes of Android and iOS09:38
gggspsycho_oreos: In hindsight using Graffiti was slow, but the UI was cleverly designed, and to this day it was probably the most effective schedule & phonebook I've ever used, but the biggest issue for me was similar to yours- it was a data island, you absolutely needed to connect it to a PC to install apps, backup, restore, etc09:38
psycho_oreosand root access is not a priority feature, root access is just a complimentary feature considering maemo was targeted at `niche users/owners' not for regular phone geeks09:39
psycho_oreosgggs, which is something I don't look forward to with devices beyond n9 sporting meego09:40
psycho_oreosit'll only make me think no more different than what symbian is very much like09:40
gggspsycho_oreos: One day I dropped my Palm, and the batteries must've bounced, because it wiped the entire memory. I couldn't use it until I could get home and `re-sync' it, which made me realize how un-resilient OS's like PalmOS, Symbian are09:43
psycho_oreosgggs, well I suppose it could also heavily depend on the type of flash chipsets used09:45
gggspsycho_oreos: Flash memory has improved since then, but mobile OS dependency doesn't seem to have changed much since then, you still need a `MS Windows XP compatible' to update the firmware09:47
psycho_oreosgggs, not only that, most of the connectivity tools were mainly built for windows09:47
gggspsycho_oreos: Exactly09:49
psycho_oreosgggs, so yeah lets all hope that meego will be turned into something else09:51
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VladNistorhello, i seem to have a little issue with ssh and remote connections; i created an rsa key on my phone and copied it to my laptop as stated here http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH . I can login without a password. When I copy my key from the laptop to the phone it always asks for the certificate password. how can I make it not do that?10:45
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VladNistori used the "ssh-copy-id -i" option as it seems cleaner, and the key is in my authorised_keys file, but it still asks for a password :(10:47
VladNistoror a passphrase for the key, which defeats the scope10:48
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alteregoVladNistor: probably because you set a passkey on the key. Try removing it with ssh-keygen10:51
alteregossh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa10:52
alteregoMake it blank10:52
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VladNistoroh, so I would need to change my laptop key then?10:55
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VladNistoralterego, i use it with launchpad and other services, would there be a way to make it not ask for a passphrase without getting rif of it?10:56
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alteregoVladNistor: you can use the key agent look i t up. Basically you just need to unlock the key once the first time you use it per startup11:02
alteregoIi swear the N900's wifi is better than my two laptops' and usb dongle ...11:03
VladNistori dunno, on mine it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while :(11:04
alteregoStrange, I've found an open ap, which I can use on the N900 but not on anyhting else.11:04
alteregoI can't even see it on my other devices.11:05
MohammadAG51the N900 has an epic wifi chip11:05
VladNistorthat's nice11:05
MohammadAG51beats all other nokias11:05
alterego:)11:05
Juozapasbut gps chip isnt very good right ?11:06
MohammadAG51(and my broadcom laptop)11:06
VladNistorso my problem is probably with the router then?11:06
MohammadAG51gets a lock in 5 secs here11:06
MohammadAG51what's your problem?11:06
VladNistorit show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while11:06
alteregoMy netbook has broadcom and my laptop has intel neither see this ap, my usb dongles are all zydas 121111:06
MohammadAG51VladNistor, power saving mode11:07
alteregoYeah, was gonna say power saving.11:07
VladNistoroh, thanks... i thought it would disconnect not keep saying it's there and not work :))11:07
alteregoMohammadAG51: I submitted a pandaboard entry :)11:08
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alteregoHope it gets accepted11:09
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alterego"What color N8 will be best for photography?" teeheehee11:11
VladNistoralterego, i tried ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa, but it says too many arguments :(11:13
ieatlintalterego: fuschia11:13
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VladNistoroh, i see now, don't need the ~/.ssh stuff at the end11:14
VladNistorthanks11:14
alteregonp, using the key agent is probably more secure though11:15
Juozapascan u recommend some photo/image resizer for n900 ?11:17
VladNistorok, now this is weird, i removed the passphrase but it still asks for one when i try to connect :-?11:17
alteregoHrm, are you sure it's the right key file? :)11:18
alteregoIt's the one you're connecting from right?11:19
VladNistoryes, i've had this key for my laptop for a while now11:19
alteregoHrm, and you're sure it's asking for the passphrase and not the password for the N900?11:21
VladNistorcrap. it's actually asking for the N900 passphrase...11:22
VladNistorn900 key11:22
alteregopassword z:P11:23
VladNistoryeah, this operation has the sole purpose of getting me rid of passwords :))11:24
VladNistorand using grsync to sync stuff with ssh :))11:25
VladNistorthere, now it works, silly me :P11:25
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sivangre all11:38
sivangmorning11:38
sivangfrom the KDE sprint at Munich11:38
Stskeepsmorn, having fun?11:38
Stskeeps:P11:38
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sivangStskeeps: Me thinks so :)11:42
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ieatlintdamn button11:47
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Corsacgrmbl, battery graphs when activating jabber account is just scary12:35
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SpeedEvilForce it onto 2G12:37
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ludensanyone has had problems with adflashblock not working after install?12:54
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Venemo_N900Hi13:23
Venemo_N900what's up in Maemo land?13:23
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dRbiGis there any easy way in gtk to set a widget to try to maximize it's size? i've got a treeview, a set of buttons and another set of stuff (treeview and 2x vbox) and i would like the treeview to occupy as much space as possible in the horizontal direction13:26
Venemo_N900dRbiG: have you looked at the gtk docs?13:27
dRbiGVenemo_N900: looking all the time13:27
dRbiGi have an idea for this13:28
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dRbiGhmm, not working :/13:29
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Venemo_N900dRbiG: what did you try?13:29
dRbiGok, now it works13:29
dRbiGVenemo_N900: moved from .add to .pack_start and setting the fill & expand values manually13:30
dRbiGit seems that .add is basically an alias for pack_start with expand & fill set to true13:30
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Venemo_N900dRbiG: well, I dunno. but you can always look at the source of Maemo Gtk to see13:31
dRbiGVenemo_N900: as far as ui coding goes i'm trying to map my tk experience (however little) onto gtk13:32
dRbiGseems to work for me13:32
Venemo_N900dRbiG: "tk"?13:32
dRbiGVenemo_N900: as in Tcl/Tk13:32
Venemo_N900dRbiG: never heard about it13:33
Venemo_N900hm13:33
Venemo_N900is there some statistics available about the number of packages in the repos?13:33
dRbiGtk is kind of a mother of all ui frameworks :)13:33
Venemo_N900Mhm13:35
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Venemo_N900alterego: ping13:43
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dRbiGnow another quest to make a treeview not expand more than to fit three list items13:45
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Venemo_N900dRbiG: why don't you use Qt?13:57
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dRbiGVenemo_N900: and why should i use Qt? :)14:09
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psycho_oreosjacekowski, ping14:12
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Venemo_N900dRbiG: I didn't say you should. but it's lot easier to work with than Gtk14:17
Venemo_N900dRbiG: also on Nokia devices, Qt is the future14:17
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RST38hhmmm.... so, have they ported gpSP to Maemo or not?14:23
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jacekowskipsycho_oreos: pong14:39
psycho_oreosjacekowski, mind if you share the diff for fmtx-si4713.mod.c please? :D14:39
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jacekowskii don't have them14:42
jacekowskii never modded .c file14:42
jacekowskii modded module itself14:42
jacekowskibut it's just simple mod14:42
psycho_oreosthe module as in the fmtxd, nah couldn't be right heh, I dunno I'm looking to see where is the region, looking at that file its a whole bunch of memrefs if I'm not mistaken14:43
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psycho_oreosahh wait, kernel module but the closest one I've found for that module was fmtx-si4713.mod.c.. that was the only source file hmm14:44
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jacekowskino14:45
jacekowski#define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS         0x0214:45
jacekowskithat's line you have to change14:45
jacekowskito14:45
jacekowski#define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS         0x0414:45
jacekowskiin14:45
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jacekowski/kernel-2.6.28/drivers/media/radio/si4713.c14:45
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psycho_oreosahh! bingo thanks!14:45
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DocScrutinizerthe REAL HACKER patches the binary :-P14:48
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psycho_oreosor rewrites the whole fmtxd module thing using decompiler like qwerty12 ;) but all is well that I'm not even one lol14:49
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jacekowskithere are no decompilers for arm14:51
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RST38hheya wazd14:57
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dRbiGhmm, pajtoniści: jest jakaś składnia w pajtonie 2.x do szybkiego porówniania stringa do prostego patternu? z wildcard wystarczy mi '*' oraz '.' lub '?'; chcę coś takiego if 'dupa666' =~ 'dupa*': print 'Tak'15:07
dRbiGregexpy to overkill tutaj15:07
jacekowskiit's english channel15:08
Corsachmhm, in fact it's jabber+3g which kills battery, jabber on wifi seems fine15:08
jacekowskiand regexp isn't an overkill15:08
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Corsacso I guess enabled jabber account on 3g prevents it to ever sleep or something15:08
jacekowskiCorsac: try skype +3g15:08
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CorsacI don't use skype15:09
dRbiGops15:09
dRbiGsorry, not intended for this channel ;)15:09
dRbiGjacekowski: i still think that regexps for simple matching with '*' and '?' are an overkill15:11
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dRbiGand they introduce more problems when you think about all their special characters and syntax15:12
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DocScrutinizerCorsac: IM apps over 3G cause it to burn power like mad for TX15:27
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DocScrutinizerbasically a ping every 30s is enough to keep the TX always on15:28
Corsacmhm ok15:28
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keriohow does fring do that?15:54
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SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption15:57
SpeedEvil3.5G data, short pings  1 s 186 mA  10 s 120 mA approx.  30 s 136 mA15:57
keriomaybe because with 30s it has time to go into idle and then has to immediately go back to transmitting?15:58
SpeedEvilSo there is some small saving when you back off to 15s or so - 50%15:58
SpeedEvilBut you need to be idle for >>60s to get the power down to 1/415:58
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mirr0ranyone knows which theme the user has in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58jo0TnIOI&feature=player_embedded ?16:41
lcukmirr0r, hm IDK - ask him in comment?16:43
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cehtehmirr0r: looks like this oku... forgotten the name16:47
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jacktheripperdoes fcam work with PR1.2 ?16:55
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jacktheripperwhy do I get a blank viewfinder then ? and:17:16
jacktheripperadp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register17:17
jacktherippervideo4linux video0: can't power up slaves17:17
jacktheripperin dmesg17:17
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n900-spacehi all17:20
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BigWookieI try to emulate N900 with madde ( newest stand alone version and nokiaqtsdk version) , I tried the precompiled version of qemu from the distributed package and compiled my own one. The machine starts, i can see the bootsplash, but after that the screen remains blank, The underneath system is running, as i can ssh to it and on other systems the same image files leed to a graphical interface, just on my 3 computers it just won't work, i'm usi17:24
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GAN900Sad reality seems to be that the N900 just doesn't have enough RAM for Fennec.17:28
Stskeepswell, considering browserd is always in memory and fennec isn't..17:28
Jartzahmm17:29
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GAN900Stskeeps, XUL adds bloat17:30
GAN900and it doesn't leave much headroom either way.17:30
GAN900Pity I/O is so dog slow.17:30
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sivangre all18:02
Stskeepsre18:02
prontore18:05
pronto(i have no idea why people say re , i jsut see it all over the place :s)18:05
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psycho_oreosre = hi again18:10
lolloore18:11
lolloohahaha18:11
jpinxhtf can re = hi again?18:11
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Corsacit might come from the french, where it would mean « retour » as in « je suis de retour » / “I'm back”18:13
Corsacor « me re-voilà »18:13
ZogGcrashanddie, hey gentoo guru18:16
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BigWookieokay i'm a little bit further in  my investigation, the problem seems to be x, i can paint the framebuffer...18:50
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lcukBigWookie, its not something as simple as the export DISPLAY variable is it?19:02
BigWookielcuk: nope it goes a little bit further i think19:02
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lcukBigWookie, thats a shame19:02
lcukwhats the host OS?19:02
BigWookieHost os is Ubuntu 10.04 i68619:03
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lcukBigWookie, have you ever had the Maemo SDK installed?  (as comparison only)19:04
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BigWookienop19:05
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BigWookieatm i use the stand alone version of madde19:09
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BigWookieOky the first problem ist that HAL won't start~19:53
SpeedEvilI'd suggest suiting up, and starting pulling logic cards.19:54
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BigWookie/dev/input/* all work fine in the emulator, but X can't connect to them19:55
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sphenxesI am planning to buy nokia n900. Is it possible to install amarok on it?20:11
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Hoxzermost likely yes20:13
javispedroit would look awful, though.20:13
RST38hheya javispedro20:14
javispedrohelo RST38h20:14
RST38hCheck this out: http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/1206666159/say-hello-to-mechanically-separated-chicken-its20:14
javispedrowtf20:14
sphenxesI would like to play music from my ampache server,? what would you suggest as media player on maemo (nokia n900)?20:14
* RST38h now knows why he never ever eats at thesefastfood places20:14
Hoxzersphenxes: You're aware that N900 has free grooveshark client?20:15
javispedroRST38h: but that's the future! *sips tasty soylent green*20:16
Hoxzer*of that20:16
sphenxesHoxzer, no. would it work with ampache?20:16
BigWookieokay even further, DBUS won't start - dsmesock_connect: Connection refused20:16
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sphenxesjavispedro, thanks for the link20:17
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RST38hjavispedro: Yea, that, and the rat meat...20:17
Hoxzersphenxes: It let's you play just about any song from grooveshark's central server. (You dont need to have your OWN server running)20:17
HoxzerVery much like spotify20:18
sphenxesHoxzer, thanks. i will take a look20:18
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sivaN900thp: thanks for wiki edit20:23
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BigWookiecan anyone tell me what "dsmetool" is for?20:29
jacekowskitalking to dsme20:29
BigWookie"dsmesock_connect: Connection refused"20:29
jacekowskithen phone will restart in 32s20:29
jacekowskiat most20:29
javispedrounless bme is also not running20:29
BigWookiewhat does dsme?20:30
jacekowskinope20:30
jacekowskionce dsme is started i20:30
javispedroand this is not a n900 =)20:30
jacekowskiit starts watchdog20:30
jacekowskiand watchdog will never stop20:30
BigWookieokay heres my situation20:31
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BigWookiei've got madde, and a session to the device20:31
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BigWookiebut the screen is blank, so i looked in Xorg log and there it is forever waiting for hal20:31
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BigWookiewhen i try to start hal it says i should look if dbus is running, which it isn't20:32
BigWookiebut I also can't start it becaus of "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused"20:32
jacekowskitry running it as root20:32
jacekowskihmm, then dsme is not starting20:33
BigWookiei doo20:33
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BigWookieso what to do now?20:35
jacekowskiflash it20:35
BigWookiei'm using an emulator20:36
javispedroI don't think were talking about a real device20:36
BigWookieI used 4 different hosts and dozens of different configs20:36
jacekowskiah20:37
BigWookieI used the NokiaQtSDK madde and the stand alone madde20:37
jacekowskii always use real thing20:37
BigWookiemine didn't arrive yet20:37
BigWookiefunny thing is, i tried this on 4 different hosts, linux and windows, and i ssem to be the only person with this problem20:37
BigWookieNetbook of a friend of mine, we used the SAME FILES and on his machine it is working, on mine not20:38
javispedroIntel gfx card on his netbook?20:39
BigWookieand on mine too20:39
BigWookieon my desktop nvidia ion20:39
BigWookieI even installed a fresh ubuntu server and started qemu with a vnc server20:40
BigWookiei don't get how nobody else experienced this20:41
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TomaszDStskeeps, natives are restless again at tmo21:03
RST38hwhat again?21:03
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TomaszDthe tmo tribe is getting worked up about something again21:04
SpeedEvilPR1.3? Flash?21:04
TomaszDflash21:04
SpeedEvilah21:04
RST38hah that21:04
RST38hI am sure TI lawyers will be mighty surprised this Monday21:04
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TomaszDI can't bring myself to care about all this, it's just fun to watch I guess21:05
RST38hWhen they get 9000+ requests for an obscure sample package that nobody but some Chinese engineers has ever requested before21:05
RST38hyea, great entertainent value, almost like visiting a zoo, except you do not feel sad for THESE guys21:06
javispedrothose evil chinese engineers, wanting to keep the full glory of flash 30.70 for themselves.21:06
RST38hI know it is probably very illegal, but somebody should package that damn .so into a .deb and make it available via torrent or something21:07
* javispedro goes cause some more restless in tmo :P21:07
RST38hJust to get the pressure off =(21:07
BigWookieUmm how / where  is dsme supposed to get started?21:07
StskeepsTomaszD: at least they're not messaging me anymore21:07
RST38hStskeeps: they will, on monday21:08
Stskeepsand everyone seems to think i'm a douche who won't share the smiley face pills21:08
javispedroBigWookie: have you checked the usual things? is the download corrupted, is your filesystem out of space, are you installing madde on the suggested location, do you have some other application installed that could possibly be LD_LIBRARY_PATH'ing some nonsense?21:08
BigWookiejavispedro: yep all of that21:09
RST38hStskeeps: that, of course, you are =)21:09
TomaszDwell they should, it's all your fault that flash 10.1 hasn't been released yet for maemo 5, that pr1.3 is not public yet21:09
keriowait, what happened21:09
keriowe have an updated flash player now?21:09
TomaszDand world hunger is also Stskeeps's fault21:09
keriodoes it suddenly not suck?21:09
BigWookiejavispedro: I first thought it could be a qemu problem till i came to the idea of painting on the fb21:09
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RST38hActuallty, even if you shared, they would blame you for all their N900 troubles (freezes, crashes, packages do not install, etc) for the next month or so21:10
javispedroRST38h: do not even joke about that, it could be physically dangerous21:10
BigWookiejavispedro: so I compiled my own qemu-arm version and tried doing everything manually21:10
RST38hwhich paart?21:10
* javispedro envisions pitchfork wearing lemmings21:10
RST38hah21:11
StskeepsRST38h: i should share a rot13 encrypted .so that replaces all flash with goatse21:11
TomaszDthe word you're looking for is wielding, not wearing21:11
javispedrota, TomaszD21:11
lcukStskeeps, for some people they would hardly notice21:12
RST38hStskeeps: So that every flash plugin placeholder shows a goatse? Yes.21:12
kerioStskeeps: meh, goatse is old21:12
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lcukkerio, as with everything nowadays21:13
StskeepsRST38h: yes21:13
* RST38h got contacted by the FBReader guy, there is still hope I will not have to do 0.12.x after all :)21:13
kerioi say meatspin21:13
javispedroRST38h: I though he moved to android21:13
keriowith the original ytmnd soundtrack21:13
javispedro*thought21:13
javispedroerr..21:13
RST38hjavspedro:No, this is the core FBReader guy21:13
RST38hcrossplatform, etc21:13
SpeedEvil:)21:14
RST38hTomaszD: Considering a typical lemming size vs a typical pitchfork size, "wearing" may not be that far from the truth :)21:14
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javispedroah, nice thread. *bookmarks it* will make for a nice bedtime read.21:19
nox-moin21:20
javispedromorning21:20
nox-moin javispedro21:21
tank-manRST38h, does the fbreader author speak english?21:21
RST38htank: No idea, we communicate in Russian21:21
RST38htank: But he most likely does21:21
tank-mani was just wondering what he would think about some ebook reader (physical reader) that i think uses his software (fbreader) but the maker doesnt acknowlede it or provide source21:23
RST38htank: I think these guys know about such readers and license fbreader to them21:23
RST38htank: Under a separate license21:23
SpeedEvilOnly if fbreader is only that guys work.21:24
RST38hThere is a group21:24
SpeedEvilThen it's easy for him to relicenxe to an arbitrary licence.21:24
RST38hAnd they license as a group, if I understood thinks correctly21:24
SpeedEvilyeah - a small group I mean21:24
lcukits even possible for larger groups too SpeedEvil - its all about the contribution guidelines and stance21:25
SpeedEvilOf course21:25
SpeedEvilas long as you can contact them all, and none die.21:25
lcukno, its not necessary to recontact people if the contribution/license pre said "we will release this as gpl but also offer private licenses"21:26
DocScrutinizerbooohoohoobwaahh, I want flash17.21!1!!!111!!21:26
SpeedEvillcuk: yes, of course21:26
lcukmaking a drastic change afterwards would incur what you said21:26
lcukI believe that sort of condition is put on Qt contributions21:27
RST38hGiven what FLash does to N900 overall performance, I do not understand why anyone would be so bent on using it21:27
javispedrothat thread is _awesome_21:27
lcukRST38h, facebook videos stopped working I believe21:27
SpeedEvilRST38h: Because sometimes it's the only way to content.21:27
lcukluke was moaning a few weeks ago, his only "computer" for a while was an n90021:27
* DocScrutinizer anxiously ponders to ask which thread21:27
javispedroDocScrutinizer: the flash one21:28
javispedroI missed it entirely =)21:28
DocScrutinizerI thought as much21:28
DocScrutinizerme as well21:28
* RST38h starts saying something about the necessity of Facebook, suddenly feels himself an old geezer21:28
DocScrutinizerprobably should temporarily comment out that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line in my etc/hosts ;-P21:29
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: no need to. you'll just miss on tmoers calling stskeeps THE EVIL because he won't pirate software for them ;P21:32
RST38hjavispedro: BTW, have they finally ported gbpsp or not? =)21:35
javispedroRST38h: I saw the code, and it ran M Kart21:35
javispedroRST38h: no idea why he  isn't releasing it21:35
javispedropossibly your average newcomer "first contact" with autobuilder or sth21:36
RST38hjavispedro: Probably went deaf from all the squeaking on tmo21:36
RST38hAh yes, that too :)21:36
javispedroalso, it does not seem to be the "performance god" it was "meant to be" .21:36
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RST38hjavispedro: I am afraid there are no miracles21:37
RST38hjavispedro: Or rather, most miracles are of the nasty kind, not the good one21:38
javispedroguess so.21:39
javispedroalso, I guess someone might want to point Pandora guys over that TI blessed libflashplayer21:42
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BigWookieOkay now my system starts to die after ~30 sec21:42
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javispedrois flash actually accelerated on _any_ mobile platform at all? =)21:45
javispedrothe ease by which the ipad guys ported android's libflashplayer.so to ipad ( http://github.com/comex/frash ) makes me thing it isn't.21:46
javispedro*think.21:46
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javispedronot even GL calls.21:46
javispedrosomething video specific, but afaik more output related than having to do with codecs.21:47
nox-i think flash is still `optimized for windows', i.e they dont care much about performance on other platforms21:47
javispedrobasically, a big lie. and everyone believing it!21:47
* javispedro surprises for a few microseconds then wanders off21:48
Corsacjavispedro: well, easy porting doesn't mean no accel at all, in any case there should be fallbacks21:49
javispedro"fallbacks" when android core libraries are missing? doubt it.21:50
nox-oh it wouldnt be _impossible_ tho, ive seen linux flash doing dlopen()s for things like libcurl too...21:51
* javispedro notes to steal an android iphone sometime in the near future and run strings on its libflashplayer.so21:53
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javispedro"Woman Travels Four Hours with Gun to Kill Mean Internet Commenter" -- take cover, those who are now in TMO's "axis of evil" list.21:56
lcukjavispedro, 4 hours is lightweight, how far did the astronaut woman go in nappies?21:57
javispedrotoo many? :)21:58
lcukjavispedro, the internet says 1000 miles22:00
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javispedrohah, missed that.22:03
RST38hjavispedro: google for nasa diaper murder22:04
Corsacjavispedro: not sure flash uses any android core lib22:04
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javispedroquite interesting.22:10
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RST38hBTW, Desktop Switcher rules, absolutely rules22:19
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BigWookieis there a way preventing dsme from rebooting when i start hal xD?22:28
timeless_mbp:)22:28
timeless_mbpti gave me a license key for flash10 :)22:28
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ZogGMohammadAG51, hey22:29
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RST38hOMG22:29
ZogGjust bought earphones =)22:29
ZogG300 nis22:29
RST38hEHLO Zogg22:29
ZogGholla22:29
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RST38hHow is suffering tonight?22:30
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SpeedEvilWhy is TI giving out keys?22:31
luke-jr_SpeedEvil: I think it's supposed to be for BeagleBoard :P22:32
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: dunno22:32
Stskeepsnah, anything OMAP322:32
Stskeepsi wonder how many of the lemmings who might realize they can be asked to write a report on their evaluation of the software22:33
RST38hStskeeps: Naah22:34
lcuk:( users on tmo aren't lemmings22:34
RST38hStskeeps: Almost never happens (and yes, when it says "write a report" I always write a report)22:34
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i don't think that will be much of a problem22:34
lcukcos don't you post there regularly Stskeeps22:34
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Stskeepslcuk: i'm a bear driving lemmings over the edge22:36
Stskeeps:P22:36
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lcukwasnt it someone on tmo that told you about the Ti webpage though?22:36
Stskeepsheh22:36
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: your dad was either Dr psy, or a preacherman22:38
lcuk?22:39
DocScrutinizerendless patience and benevolence22:40
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DocScrutinizerwhere else you got that from?22:40
lcukmany years of practice.22:41
DocScrutinizerthough sons of preachers are angry guys quite frequently22:41
lcukif I was following my dad I would be skiing and hang gliding and stuff22:41
* timeless_mbp grumbles22:42
* timeless_mbp has to try to use nokia's travel tool22:42
timeless_mbpthat's never good22:42
DocScrutinizertravel tool??? o.O22:43
timeless_mbpbasically a PoS22:43
timeless_mbpdesigned to drive engineers crazy22:43
DocScrutinizeryuck22:43
timeless_mbpas long as that's its job, it does it well :)22:44
DocScrutinizerodds are not even the product implementation specs will tell you about ther *true* reasons and intentions22:45
lcuktimeless_mbp, is this the expense calculator?22:45
MohammadAG51heh, my dad broke his E66's screen22:46
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DocScrutinizeradvantage MohammadAG5122:46
DrHalanhey, i am looking for a syncML gui for maemo. commandline would be okay too22:46
DrHalancan i just install syncevolution somehow?22:46
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, how come?22:49
MohammadAG51I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPhone 4 for him22:50
MohammadAG51easy to use UI, noob friendly etc22:50
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: now he can't shout and go mad if ever you accidentally kill N900 :-D22:50
MohammadAG51LOL22:51
dsgDrHalan: Yes, there is syncevolution in extras-testing (or maybe -devel, I'm not sure). I'm using it against horde.22:54
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timeless_mbplcuk: it does that job badly too22:58
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timeless_mbpbut no, it also does bookings22:58
timeless_mbpand tries very hard to get a bad rate on a poor selection22:58
DocScrutinizerhey, it probably pays back double or triple on taxes Nokia doesn't have to pay. You have to appreciate that, no? :-P23:01
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DocScrutinizeryou know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper back for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for takeaway food but 19% for in-house serving23:06
DocScrutinizers/paper back/paper bag/23:06
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper bag for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for tak...23:06
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: thats insane23:08
Stskeepsbut good to know next time i'm travelling through germany23:08
pupnikwow23:08
pupnikwonder if they'll gimme 10% off for takeaway23:08
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: nah, they won't, they give you 8 paperbags and 50 napkin if you ask23:09
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MohammadAG51last time i was in germany i had to pay for a plastic bag in a supermarket23:10
MohammadAG51i was like wtf23:10
DocScrutinizerthe cashiers are 'hardcoded', no way for credit23:10
StskeepsMohammadAG51: normal in .dk too23:10
MohammadAG51not normal in .il23:11
pupnikyou're supposed to shop with your own bags23:11
DocScrutinizerpupnik: you however can chose from Germany-the-state or McDo to get 12% of that money you have to pay23:11
MohammadAG51pupnik, i don't have any damn bags, worse part is they stuffed 6 2L bottles in one bag23:11
pupnikthey stuffed?  where do they bag for you in germany? what store?23:12
MohammadAG51then 4 minutes later while i was walking to the hotel, it ripped open from the bottom23:12
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MohammadAG51idk23:12
pupnikok23:12
MohammadAG51bad sulzangen or sth23:12
DocScrutinizerLOL23:12
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DocScrutinizersalzufflen?23:12
MohammadAG51how the f is that even spelled?23:12
MohammadAG51nope, no Fs in it23:12
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lolloosalzuhlen23:13
DocScrutinizersome dump I never heard of :-)23:13
MohammadAG51Bad Salzungen23:13
lcuktimeless_mbp, travel logistics is an extremely specialist piece of software, a skilled cabbie is still more likely to get you to destination than gps alone ;)23:14
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, that23:14
DocScrutinizerquit epossible they pack your bags there XP23:14
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MohammadAG51though i loved how green that town was23:14
MohammadAG51it's in thuringia23:14
DocScrutinizerexcept for the "town" part that all sounds congruent23:15
DocScrutinizererr concludent23:15
MohammadAG51you don't see a lot of green here in IL23:16
timeless_mbplcuk: a was man pays for a cabbie23:16
timeless_mbpa fool rents a limo23:16
timeless_mbplcuk: basically, i prefer groups smart enough to just allow people to use Expedia or whatever23:17
lcuka was man?  transgender?23:18
MohammadAG51a wise man lol23:18
timeless_mbps/was/wise/ :(23:18
DocScrutinizerlol23:18
* lcuk giggles23:18
* MohammadAG51 slaps lcuk with a noobmonk... naw, he's not here23:18
* MohammadAG51 uses frals instead23:19
* b-man` watches23:19
* lcuk will probably get slapped by frals soon anyway23:19
pupnikhehe23:19
pupnikwhy?>23:19
MohammadAG51hacked fMMS to make video calls?23:20
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lcukheh no23:20
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MohammadAG51ate his trout?23:21
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lcukbut I would like to see the boundaries of MMS, frals indicated when he was writing it he was sending higher resolution photos than normal mms23:21
pupnik lady next door was running her horses around in circles23:21
pupnikwow23:21
lcuki read his observation as n900 -> n900 mms may technically be Super MMS :P23:21
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MohammadAG51lcuk, a large image failed to get sent here23:22
MohammadAG51i think my operator checks size23:22
lcukobviously it only works for cool people23:22
MohammadAG51my operator's meh23:23
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MohammadAG51i miss jordan's 3G23:23
MohammadAG51i used to get 7.2MBps with that23:23
MohammadAG511 here23:23
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lcukMohammadAG51, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-22.log.html#t2010-09-22T13:41:0323:25
BigWookieIf anyone is interrested in this http://pastebin.com/iaUedk5N - hald log ( especially line 5 )23:27
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juozapasis already exist some kind adapter to connect n900 to the internet via utp cable jack?23:29
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pupnikwhat is a utp cable jack?23:30
nox-rj45?23:30
juozapasyep23:30
juozapasaka yes23:30
pupniki used a device called a wlan router juozapas23:30
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nox-well if usb hostmode would work properly i guess you could use an usb nic but without that pupnik is right i guess23:31
juozapaspupnik: :) me too, just itresting23:31
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nox-(well or you could use usb notworking via a pc doing routing i guess...)23:32
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pupnikor tether via .. http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/tethering-on-the-n900-part-1/23:32
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ProfOak_What are your thoughts on MeeGo?23:37
SpeedEvilKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!23:37
SpeedEvilOr meh.23:37
SpeedEvilProbably meh.23:37
ProfOak_I agree23:38
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ProfOak_I was kinda hoping maemo would go further than it did23:38
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juozapasyeah thats sad23:38
SpeedEvilWhile in principle, I can appreciate the idea of a wider based platform to do more devices, functional bits of platforms getting thrown out for no end-user benefit obsoleting devs learning is of questionable utility.23:39
ProfOak_I was actually thinking about buying an N900 because I liked everything about it, but I'm still questioning meego23:40
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juozapasand today meego works all right on n900? i know that it isnt officialy supported23:41
ProfOak_I just liked how it was linux, for real23:41
ProfOak_I wasn't even going to use it as a phone23:42
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juozapasso you using it just for web surfing, chating, ssh'ing...?23:43
lcukProfOak_, make your decisions based on needs today23:43
SpeedEvilToday meego is not functional as a user platform on n900 as I understnad it.23:43
SpeedEvilIndeed.23:43
SpeedEvilBase your purchasing decision on what would happen if tomorrow a massive supervolcano took out finland, and wiped nokia off the map.23:43
juozapas:D23:44
ProfOak_Oh man, I never thought of that!23:44
ProfOak_What if an asteroid hit all satellites and rendered cellphones useless23:44
lcukSpeedEvil, well I suppose if that did happen we would be in more shit.  no more moomins stuff23:44
* ProfOak_ is thinkin outside the box23:45
SpeedEvilWhile there is /b/ there will always be #34 of moomins.23:45
lcukProfOak_, cellphones dont rely on satellite usually ;)23:45
* ProfOak_ is thinkin too outside the box23:45
SpeedEvilThey do for GPS.23:46
DocScrutinizertoday MAEMO is working 'OK' on N900 - odds are it will for another couple of months, amybe years23:46
* lcuk wonders how to fix stylus hole23:47
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DocScrutinizerIRIDIUM, Suraya23:48
DocScrutinizerINMARSAT23:49
SpeedEvillcuk: Dremel23:49
* DocScrutinizer wants a N900 with a IRIDIUM&Suraya piggyback23:49
ProfOak_wT23:49
ProfOak_wat23:49
DocScrutinizerNOOOOO - please no Dremel23:49
* ProfOak_ is confused23:49
lcukSpeedEvil, can I fit it into the hole?23:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk: you'll have to send it in, or disassemble by yourself23:50
DocScrutinizerProfOak_: you brought up the topic of sat dependent mobile phones23:50
lcukyeah I realise that, i will see what I can do this week23:50
ProfOak_Yeah but I'm a noobasaurus23:51
ProfOak_rex23:51
SpeedEvillcuk: Of course.23:51
SpeedEvillcuk: you can fit a dremel bit into any hole.23:52
SpeedEvilOf course, it may end up larger than it was.23:52
lcukok SpeedEvil the stylus has a lip near the sharp end23:52
lcuka groove all round23:52
DocScrutinizeryes23:53
lcukif I insert it into the hole, when that lip is flush with the side edge its catching the outcrop :'(23:53
DocScrutinizerand a plastic spring lever at bottom of the stylus hole of N90023:53
lcukie, not very far inside23:53
DocScrutinizerthis spring at start of hole is largely useless, just creating some friction when sliding the stylus in/out23:54
GAN900They're holding the city Octoberfest in front of the halfway houses and missions.23:54
GAN900Fools.23:54
DocScrutinizerseems yours got messed and bent/broken23:54
lcukits likely said spring thats sticking out23:54
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ProfOak_Can you code in Python on maemo?23:56
secyrita1yep23:56
lcukhappily23:56
ProfOak_That's pretty BA23:56
secyrita1i think python is included natively23:56
ProfOak_What other langs?23:56
lcukbadass?23:56
DocScrutinizerlcuk: you probably could discard that borked spring with little adverse side efects, but you need to disassemble the case to get a hold on it23:56
ProfOak_Yeah, haha23:56
secyrita1C c++ ruby php23:57
ProfOak_bash, or perl?23:57
lcukProfOak_, theres pretty much anything required23:57
lcukthough I have not seen pascal compiler on maemo yet23:57
secyrita1bash, for perl you need to download ext packages23:57
lcukmight just be because I havent looked23:57
DocScrutinizerWHAAAAAT? No pascal?? *SOB*23:57
* Bash reallys hates his nick sometimes XD23:57
* lcuk giggles23:57
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secyrita1bash: :D23:58
ProfOak_hah23:58
nox-haha23:58
lcukbsh_nohighlight, have you added bash as a keyword trigger though?23:58
bsh_nohighlightyea23:58
bsh_nohighlightcba to change it lol23:58
bsh_nohighlightpeople call me bash irl more than my name23:59
lcuk"oi, ill bash you"23:59
bsh_nohighlightmy names hard to pronouce for some23:59
bsh_nohighlightMobashir23:59
DocScrutinizerhah23:59
DocScrutinizerMo was unexpected23:59
DocScrutinizerthought Bashir23:59
bsh_nohighlightlol23:59

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