IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-08-06

DocScrutinizer	Lateralus: seems it does for me, under "Versions:"	00:00
DocScrutinizer	Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-cache showpkg fmms	00:00
DocScrutinizer	Versions:	00:00
DocScrutinizer	1.2.3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages)	00:00
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DocScrutinizer	...	00:01
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trumee	Robot101: thanks for the pointers.	00:03
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Robot101	trumee: cool - #telepathy here can help out, although it's more lively during europe working hours	00:04
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Venemo	hey guys	00:06
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Venemo	I'm just wondering, what do you think about the recent ragequit of qwerty12?	00:06
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lcuk	Venemo, those that have an opinion have posted already	00:07
Venemo	lcuk: yep, I read some of the thread. but it makes me sad.	00:08
evilbulgarian	hi, wondering how i can prevent my IM contacts from merging with my actual phone contacts its a huge mess now in there :)	00:09
DocScrutinizer	evilbulgarian: yup	00:09
DocScrutinizer	:-S	00:09
Venemo	evilbulgarian: either use a standalone client, or take the time to merge them properly	00:09
DocScrutinizer	contacts doesn't support groups	00:10
evilbulgarian	ok thx guys	00:10
Venemo	evilbulgarian: I spent a whole evening with the process of merging my contats with their Skype and MSN identities...	00:10
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evilbulgarian	yeah i have way too many	00:11
evilbulgarian	and alot of them i dont have their numbers just im's	00:11
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DocScrutinizer	mhm, still don't see the particular problem	00:12
DocScrutinizer	other than no groups supported in contacts	00:13
pupnik	can we save contact info to a SIM? or restore from sim?	00:13
pupnik	still tempted to buy a n900	00:13
DocScrutinizer	restore from SIM yes. Save to SIM nope, at least with default means	00:13
pupnik	ty DocScrutinizer	00:14
DocScrutinizer	yw	00:14
Venemo	pupnik: wait for the release of the next device. then the price of the N900 will drop so much that you can buy it single-handedly	00:14
pupnik	i'm using e71 and it's so much more practical as a phone, not even funny :\|	00:14
DocScrutinizer	sure?	00:14
* GAN900 hopes for another proto loan program.		00:15
* GAN900 has about a month left.		00:15
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Venemo	pupnik: that is a matter of opinion	00:15
* DocScrutinizer hopes there won't be, so isn't temped to mess with shitty c-ts and no kbd :-P		00:15
pupnik	c-ts?	00:16
pupnik	capacative?	00:16
DocScrutinizer	yup	00:16
DocScrutinizer	that's the rumour	00:16
* pupnik sacrifices a chicken		00:16
GAN900	No rumor	00:16
GAN900	It's fact	00:16
GAN900	See the slide from the 2009 Summit	00:16
muelli	hm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHqKTXpSR0 just flew by. Shouldn't that (Win95 on Android via DosBox) be possible with Maemo on the N900 as well?	00:17
GAN900	Capacitive, WVGA, OMAP3	00:17
pupnik	WVGA is how much?	00:17
DocScrutinizer	http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html	00:17
DocScrutinizer	muelli: ^^^	00:17
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pupnik	oh 800x480 phew	00:18
pupnik	1.5x battery life, or no sale for me	00:19
* Jaffa wouldn't be surprised for no kbd :-(		00:19
muelli	heh	00:19
Jaffa	pupnik: + 1.5x perceived performance	00:19
Venemo	no way I gonna replace my N900	00:19
pupnik	that would be needed for other people	00:19
Corsac	just use hardfloat!	00:19
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: that's why I answered "sure?"	00:19
GAN900	RX-78 had how many keys?	00:19
Corsac	GAN900: the E900? :)	00:20
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GAN900	I still can't believe how hard Nokia is screwing over N900 buyers.	00:20
DocScrutinizer	WTF is RX-78?	00:20
* GAN900 is glad he never paid retail.		00:20
GAN900	71?	00:20
Jaffa	71	00:20
GAN900	I don't remember the number	00:20
pupnik	http://it-chuiko.com/mobile/3618-qwerty-slider-nokia-n98-keyboard-version-of-nokia.html << that thing looks sweet	00:20
MohammadAG51	71 from the kernel	00:20
Mousey	GAN900: after screwing over n810 buyers, can it really be that surprising?	00:20
DocScrutinizer	RX-72? yeah	00:20
* GAN900 is getting old or something		00:20
DocScrutinizer	some 3 or such	00:20
GAN900	Mousey, yeah, but that wasn't as bad.	00:21
MohammadAG51	meh	00:21
Jaffa	Mousey: At least N810 -> N900 was a hardware leap.	00:21
ml-mobile	RX-78 = Gundam	00:21
MohammadAG51	i just lost another year of my life :(	00:21
MohammadAG51	just turned 17, why is life so cruel	00:21
* MohammadAG51 sobs		00:21
Mousey	it was encouraging that n770 and n800 owners could get as far as maemo5	00:21
GAN900	And they keep professing that they've changed.	00:21
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG51: condolences	00:21
Jaffa	Mousey: N900 -> Harmattan phone is basically the same hw (with capacitive screen). Maybe more RAM? Maybe more battery? Maybe more CPU? But basically the same.	00:21
GAN900	(Much like Saddam in the South Park movie)	00:21
GAN900	I see regressions.	00:21
Jaffa	MohammadAG51: 17? In hex?	00:21
Mousey	Jaffa: yah, but i wanted a tablet	00:21
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drizztbsd	Jaffa: uhm, maybe someone will sell a replacing kit for the touch screen :P	00:22
* Jaffa started feeding the troll beast lurking within The Rant[TM]. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777041#post777041 <sigh/>		00:22
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Venemo	MohammadAG51: I know the feeling	00:22
Venemo	MohammadAG51: I felt exactly the same way when I turned to 17	00:23
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pupnik	GAN900: would you be happy with AMOLED? i think it's crazy sexy (almost too saturated)	00:23
MohammadAG51	Jaffa, no, 17 in decimals :P	00:23
GAN900	pupnik, don't care much either way	00:23
Venemo	pupnik: AMOLED is illegible outdoors.	00:23
Venemo	pupnik: it is crap.	00:23
GAN900	Just as long as it isn't shitty like the Nexus One.	00:23
crashanddie	Jaffa: woah, that thread grew since I last checked	00:24
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GAN900	Jaffa, can we make it front page next week? :P	00:24
DocScrutinizer	pupnik: also possibly short endurance	00:24
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG51: damn, I got that attitude with 25, not with 17	00:25
Jaffa	GAN900: No. Do Not Feed The Trolls. Even if they are a hacker.	00:25
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG51: so - ENJOY! :-D	00:25
* Jaffa got that when he turned %10000. 2^5. Last significant birthday until 2^6!		00:25
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Jaffa	0x20. That hurt.	00:26
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GAN900	Jaffa, ehehe	00:27
MohammadAG51	DocScrutinizer, heh	00:27
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trem	nite all, sweet dreams	00:30
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: tztztz	00:30
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DocScrutinizer	~seen flailingmonkey	00:30
infobot	flailingmonkey <~user@166.199.224.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 20h 3s ago, saying: 'with a multimeter'.	00:30
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crashanddie	Jaffa: well, you wouldn't actually be feeding them, considering there is commenting system... just pointing them in the right direction	00:32
DocScrutinizer	also:	00:32
DocScrutinizer	~dict flailing	00:32
crashanddie	there is no**	00:32
infobot	could not find definition for flailing	00:32
DocScrutinizer	infobot: useless!	00:32
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(		00:32
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: kick the shit out of	00:32
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MohammadAG51	it	00:33
DocScrutinizer	her?	00:33
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MohammadAG51	whatever :p	00:34
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DocScrutinizer	~rape MohammadAG51, for birthday gift	00:34
* infobot takes MohammadAG51, for birthday gift behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams		00:34
MohammadAG51	o_O	00:34
jaska	...	00:34
MohammadAG51	seriously, $50 would've been better	00:35
DocScrutinizer	not really ladylike, but meh ;-D	00:35
MohammadAG51	infobot, $50	00:35
* infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off		00:35
MohammadAG51	hmm	00:35
MohammadAG51	infobot, factinfo $50	00:35
infobot	$50 -- created by blucode <anony@host62-7-32-33.btinternet.com> at Sun Apr 15 10:29:21 2001 (3399 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by MohammadAG51, 26s ago.	00:35
tybollt	wait what?	00:35
MohammadAG51	lol only 8 times	00:36
DocScrutinizer	nah, a lie	00:36
DocScrutinizer	she keeps forgetting shit on each restart	00:36
tybollt	infobot: $0.25 MohammadAG51	00:37
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tybollt	syntax error	00:37
DocScrutinizer	~attack tybollt	00:37
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing tybollt		00:37
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MohammadAG51	infobot, tybollt	00:37
infobot	methinks tybollt is some bloody idiot	00:37
tybollt	¨:D	00:37
Venemo	infobot is so much fun	00:37
MohammadAG51	infobot, Venemo	00:38
* tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ DocScrutinizer		00:38
Venemo	who was the one who developed her?	00:38
MohammadAG51	infobot, frals	00:38
infobot	[frals] a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS	00:38
DocScrutinizer	TimRiker	00:38
Venemo	~burn MohammadAG51	00:38
* infobot pours gasoline all over MohammadAG51, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze		00:38
DocScrutinizer	obviously	00:38
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MohammadAG51	infobot, die	00:38
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.		00:38
Venemo	lol	00:38
Venemo	who is TimRiker?	00:38
MohammadAG51	you're saying you don't know TimRiker?	00:39
DocScrutinizer	~timriker	00:39
infobot	well, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.	00:39
MohammadAG51	THE timeriker?	00:39
MohammadAG51	-e	00:39
MohammadAG51	(idk him too xD)	00:39
tybollt	riker? that's a penitentiary in the US innit? they develop python bots there`? :)	00:39
DocScrutinizer	python bots or python boots?	00:40
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tybollt	=D	00:41
Venemo	hah.	00:42
DocScrutinizer	F.Z. - stinkfoot	00:42
tybollt	DocScrutinizer: boo no triggering me, I want to pick up line\|\|square however missus is furious and won't let me :):)	00:42
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FredrIQ	infobot, factinfo maemo	00:42
infobot	maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (1892 days); last modified at Thu Feb 4 13:33:55 2010 by GeneralAntilles!~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles; it has been requested 24 times, last by MohammadAG51, 2d 22h 14m 1s ago.	00:42
Venemo	interesting though that every community has different bots on their channel	00:42
pupnik	FZ ++ DocScrutinizer	00:42
pupnik	puts a hurt on my nose	00:43
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crashanddie	Venemo: some bots are better than others: http://bash.org/?178890	00:43
DocScrutinizer	...and now it's July	00:43
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FIQ	infobot, factinfo maemo	00:44
infobot	maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (1892 days); last modified at Thu Feb 4 13:33:55 2010 by GeneralAntilles!~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles; it has been requested 24 times, last by MohammadAG51, 2d 22h 16m 15s ago.	00:44
Venemo	crashanddie: lol	00:44
DocScrutinizer	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k <-stinkfoot	00:45
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Venemo	crashanddie: the guys at #fedora have a bot that return google "feel lucky" search links	00:45
crashanddie	Zappa \o/	00:45
nox-	hmm	00:45
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crashanddie	~gl test	00:46
crashanddie	dman	00:46
crashanddie	anyway, gotta drop the bike off for servicing tomorrow at 7AM xD	00:46
crashanddie	night maemo	00:46
Venemo	good night	00:47
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nox-	am i right n900 dont particularly like `bigger' trees of files below MyDocs?	00:47
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evilbulgarian	hi, in fastsms im getting canot open selected phonebook you need to install the selected phonebook?	00:47
evilbulgarian	any ideas?	00:48
Venemo	nox-: what do you mean?	00:48
BCMM	the file manager gets a bit slow on big directories, if that's what you mean	00:48
Venemo	evilbulgarian: perhaps contact the author of fastsms in his TMO thread	00:48
crashanddie	evilbulgarian: are you Parvanov?	00:48
BCMM	incidentally, anyone else find it weirdly inconsistent that the upper-right close/back button isn't used for ../ ?	00:49
evilbulgarian	crashanddie: nah Vladi	00:49
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evilbulgarian	Venemo: i saw it looks like i need to add dev repo and install a phone book	00:49
Venemo	evilbulgarian: not sure what you mean by "phone book"	00:49
nox-	Venemo, BCMM, i was just thinking it might try to index the tree causing unwanted cpu/ram/swap use...	00:49
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nox-	i mean reindex repeatedly	00:50
* nox- is wondering why is n900 is swapping so much		00:50
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nox-	s/is/his/	00:50
Venemo	nox-: I don't know. AFAIK it indexes when a USB connection has ended to see if there are new media files	00:50
pigeon	cos default swappiness is 100?	00:50
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nox-	hmm	00:52
mece	heey a new pyside build :D Is there a changelog?	00:52
BCMM	it would be really useful if you could tell it to search only under a specific directory for new media actually	00:52
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Venemo	BCMM: it does search only /MyDocs, if I'm right	00:52
nox-	would that also explain apps being slow and just xterm+maemo mapper+location test causing the dedlock the phone?	00:53
BCMM	Venemo: i know, i meant a subdir of that	00:53
nox-	s/the dedlock/to deadlock/	00:53
infobot	nox- meant: would that also explain apps being slow and just xterm+maemo mapper+location test causing to deadlock the phone?	00:53
BCMM	Venemo: for example, one might quite reasonably carry media that you cannot or do not want to watch on the n900, since it is a mass-storage device	00:53
BCMM	also, sound recordings you make as a note to yourself end up playing when you shuffle your music collection	00:55
Venemo	BCMM: it won't search for files and directories beginning with '.'	00:55
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BCMM	yeah, i use linux on all my machines, so keeping everything in hidden directories on the thing i use as a USB stick is not ideal	00:56
BCMM	i might configure the sound recorder thingy to put stuff in a .dir though	00:56
crashanddie	interesting, apparently wasps release an airborne chemical that screams "Avenge me" to all nearby wasps	00:57
n900evil	I made Mydocs a 4g partition - vf5	00:57
n900evil	vfvat	00:57
kerio	vfWAT	00:57
n900evil	and made the rest a 28g ext3	00:57
n900evil	vfat	00:57
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n900evil	I Need to cut my nails.	00:58
n900evil	Or get bluetooth kbd working	00:58
zash	n900evil: 9" nails?!	00:58
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n900evil	No, I have Jhonny Cash nail covers.	00:59
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lcuk	crashanddie, makes sense i suppose	00:59
mece	can I have music files in other places than MyDocs btw? And still use them as before?	00:59
lcuk	mece, where are you thinking? there isnt much space elsewhere	00:59
n900evil	mece: yes	01:00
lcuk	tracker will scan mmc	01:00
n900evil	mece: If you tell tracker of dir.	01:00
mece	n900evil, ok. I was just looking for the repartitioning howto, but couldn't find it.	01:00
mece	n900evil, thanks	01:00
n900evil	mece: I have travcker looking at /home/user/data/ which is ext2	01:00
n900evil	3	01:00
mece	nod	01:00
n900evil	works ok in normal ui	01:01
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n900evil	tracker.cfg	01:01
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pupnik	this concept of tracker needs revisiting	01:01
mece	n900evil: or, one could just mount /home/user/data under /home/user/MyDocs/data or whatnot.	01:01
nox-	hey pupnik :)	01:01
n900evil	that causes issues when mydocs is unmounted	01:02
pupnik	wow, nox! hi!	01:02
nox-	hehe	01:02
* nox- finally got an `upgrade' from his old zaurus... :)		01:02
pupnik	congratulations! You missed all the lack of apps!	01:02
Venemo	nox-: an N900?	01:03
nox-	yeah	01:03
n900evil	:)	01:03
mece	n900evil: why would MyDocs be unmounted? (I don't use mass storage)	01:03
Venemo	nox-: congrats!	01:03
nox-	i had maemo mapper(?) daedlock the phone thoday tho	01:03
* MohammadAG51 unmounted / by mistake once		01:03
mece	MohammadAG51, and what happened?	01:04
nox-	haha linux lets you even do that?	01:04
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n900evil	mece: It unmounts if it's used as mass storage.	01:04
DocScrutinizer	got lots of mp3 (well some) on VFAT partition of uSD. Seems I can playback them, and there's actually a bit of space there (16G to be precise)	01:04
* lcuk unmounts MohammadAG51		01:04
MohammadAG51	it's like taking out a base of a building	01:04
n900evil	mece: As two devices on one fs is bad.	01:04
MohammadAG51	nox-, umount -l /	01:04
MohammadAG51	then see errors flowing by	01:05
MohammadAG51	some shit about forking child processes, terminals not starting etc	01:05
mece	n900evil: (01:03:34 AM) mece: [...] (I don't use mass storage)	01:05
n900evil	ah	01:05
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mece	n900evil: anyway I want to be able to save stuff from the browser for example, in my ext3 parititon comfortably, hence the mounting part.	01:06
mece	but first, I need to repartition.	01:07
DocScrutinizer	mece: bindmount helped a lot for me	01:07
mece	DocScrutinizer, what did you bindmount where?	01:08
DocScrutinizer	bindmounted /media/MyRoot to /	01:08
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DocScrutinizer	iirc	01:08
DocScrutinizer	media/MyHome to /home	01:09
DocScrutinizer	err other way round of course	01:10
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DocScrutinizer	the meh_blarrgh part is adding the mounts to init scripts	01:11
n900evil	I cheated.	01:12
n900evil	horribly.	01:12
n900evil	queen beecon	01:12
DocScrutinizer	heh!	01:12
DocScrutinizer	:-D	01:12
n900evil	on desktop.	01:12
kerio	to do what?	01:13
* DocScrutinizer pondering bout creating a AutoStart "folder" on desktop		01:13
n900evil	kerio - mount /home/user/data	01:13
Venemo	nah, goodbye people	01:13
Venemo	good night	01:13
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kerio	you cheated!	01:14
DocScrutinizer	sweet dreams!	01:14
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* DocScrutinizer realizes this autostart 'folder' had to become a button in settings, to open up a config screen where you can tag all executables in $PATH and also enter custom cmdline		01:15
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DocScrutinizer	oufff	01:16
n900evil	and can toggle services like modest or bme	01:16
DocScrutinizer	but isn't there...? Nah was on SHR	01:17
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kerio	DOWN WITH BME	01:17
DocScrutinizer	lol	01:17
lcuk	BME IS DOWN WITH YOU.	01:18
lcuk	(in soviet russia)	01:18
DocScrutinizer	ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US	01:18
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lcuk	debconf has been going on all week, anyone heard any decent stuff to have come out of it so far?	01:38
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crashanddie	GAN900: http://www.allensphotoblog.com/blog1/images/canon40D2.jpg	01:42
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DocScrutinizer	GAN900: (Who reads German?) That's especially for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BppOWoK2Fc	01:52
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FIQ	Screw my connection	01:58
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tybollt	hmm	01:58
tybollt	DocScrutinizer: got a map that shows what keycode each key ona keyboard outputs when pushed?	01:59
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tybollt	like you push 'a' and it will generate "23" etc	01:59
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DocScrutinizer	tybollt: nope, but there'	01:59
DocScrutinizer	s tools to do that	01:59
tybollt	yay	02:00
tybollt	indeed	02:00
tybollt	xv	02:00
tybollt	or some such	02:00
DocScrutinizer	yep	02:00
* tybollt fails to recall :S		02:00
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tybollt	DocScrutinizer: as lazy as I am I had been hopin someone olready did the work for me though (never underestimate how lazy users can be ;);).	02:01
FIQ	Argh...	02:02
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lcuk	tybollt, xev you mean	02:09
lcuk	but the best is just to printf your own in one of your existing apps	02:09
lcuk	in the place you need it	02:09
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* lcuk likes to make the printf spout case blocks		02:09
lcuk	so i can copy/paste direct from console into app	02:09
tybollt	lcuk: ta, cheers	02:10
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TiagoTiago	hi	03:44
TiagoTiago	i'm scared	03:44
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DocScrutinizer	BOOOO ;-P	03:45
TiagoTiago	i installed that sixaxis support thing, and it enabled extra-dev, then i noticed there were updates avaible to lots of programs, without thinking i told it to update them, but them when it reached the power kernel the it started to take a long time to move the progres bar so i switched to the browser and went for a site with flash games, then when the game started the device is not...	03:47
TiagoTiago	...reponding anymore, i hear the clicks for keypresses and the sound of the game, and the less cover reminder seems to be buzzing in the background, but nothing i do makes the screen change, it's all frozen Dx<	03:47
TiagoTiago	Dx	03:47
TiagoTiago	lens*	03:47
TiagoTiago	it's not safe to try to shut it down, is it?	03:48
TiagoTiago	I mena, the N900 itself	03:48
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DocScrutinizer	wait!	03:50
DocScrutinizer	it's probably swapping like hell, as you eaten up RAM for browser/flash /flash is BAD)	03:51
TiagoTiago	:(	03:51
DocScrutinizer	click on close button for browser, then just wait	03:51
TiagoTiago	already tried, the X won't even go blue, the screen is frozen	03:51
DocScrutinizer	I once had to wait 1h until it recovered from such abuse	03:51
TiagoTiago	i mean,t hebackground of the X	03:52
nox-	i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running...	03:52
DocScrutinizer	yepyep screen seems frozen, that's due to processes take ages to get their share of cpu time	03:52
nox-	1h? ouch	03:52
nox-	so you mean it could just have been a memory leak in maemo mapper or something like that?	03:53
DocScrutinizer	nox-: sure, usually I would have rebooted it, but I was curious	03:53
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TiagoTiago	at least this happened while i was at home, with the charger avaiable, so no risk of it dieing due to running out of battery	03:53
DocScrutinizer	nox-: (leak) flash!	03:53
DocScrutinizer	flash is shit	03:53
nox-	no i mean my hang <nox-> i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running...	03:53
TiagoTiago	i worried i'll need to hook it up to my PC and reflash it :(	03:53
DocScrutinizer	umm	03:54
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: nope	03:54
TiagoTiago	since it was updating the kernel from extra-dev when it froze	03:54
DocScrutinizer	at least not if power-kernel (deprecated anyway if you don't really know why you need it) doesn't mess up anything	03:55
TiagoTiago	i only realised it was getting the updates from extra-dev after it had already started so i was afraid of trying to interrupt it in the middle of the thing and make things worse	03:55
DocScrutinizer	nox-: no idea. Maybe mapper went hamuk	03:56
TiagoTiago	i installed it to get better battery time and perhaps overclock the processor when i need a program to run faster	03:56
TiagoTiago	didn't find how to set thigns up though]	03:56
TiagoTiago	:/	03:56
DocScrutinizer	~tell TiagoTiago about omap-oc	03:56
DocScrutinizer	~tell TiagoTiago about overclocking	03:56
TiagoTiago	after i read about how it is dangerous in hot wheather wasn't even gonna get close to 1ghz	03:57
TiagoTiago	weather*	03:58
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: you should read the WARNINGs on extras-devel and even -testing	03:58
nox-	oh and rfmon just means monitor mode, or is it also an app?	03:58
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, haha	03:58
* nox- only found kismet...		03:58
TiagoTiago	i had jsut installed the SIXAXIS support and forgot it had activated extra-dev when the updates notice showed	03:59
DocScrutinizer	nox-: you might want to check aircrack	03:59
nox-	ah ok	03:59
TiagoTiago	it was a really dumb thing to do aparently	03:59
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: ??	04:00
TiagoTiago	i didn't even worry much when extra-dev was enabled 'cause lots of places talk about getting programs that are there like as if it was just a matter of changing your shirt	04:00
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, Zappa.	04:01
DocScrutinizer	:-D	04:01
TiagoTiago	most places don't even say somthing like "soon it will get approaved" or osmthing	04:01
DocScrutinizer	GeneralAntilles: hope you liked it	04:01
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer, I've actually seen that video before.	04:01
GeneralAntilles	Funnily enough.	04:01
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TiagoTiago	like it's just another source for the same type of things we already get by default	04:01
TiagoTiago	i can't even get the power button menu toshow now Dx	04:02
jaem	TiagoTiago: Well, -devel is by definition "stuff in development"	04:02
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: maybe you should just remove battery, and be prepared to reflash	04:02
jaem	Plenty of apps there are usable, but it's not enabled by default for a good reason.	04:03
DocScrutinizer	~flashing	04:03
infobot	from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	04:03
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TiagoTiago	what are the chances of it just comming back up if i hard reboot it?	04:03
DocScrutinizer	good	04:03
jaem	TiagoTiago: If you want your phone to work, don't use apps from -devel. -testing is /usually/ fairly safe, but again, no guarantees - it's there for a reason.	04:03
DocScrutinizer	but good is not 100%	04:04
DocScrutinizer	check ~flashing	04:04
TiagoTiago	i got kidna dessentsitized about the risks of -dev agyer seeing so many people suggesting getting programs that are only avaiable there	04:04
TiagoTiago	after*	04:04
jaem	TiagoTiago: If you're not comfortable doing recovery tasks by yourself, I would recommend against it.	04:05
jaem	At the very least, don't leave the catalogue enabled.	04:05
DocScrutinizer	for your excuse we need to appreciate power-kernel is in extras :-S	04:05
TiagoTiago	i mean, will it get bricked or hard rebooting has a good chance of allowing me to disable -dev and get everything working again?	04:05
DocScrutinizer	no idea how it got there	04:05
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jaem	DocScrutinizer: Can you do iptables-fu with the stock kernel?	04:06
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: will not get bricked (but prepare for flashing, today or in 5 months)	04:06
TiagoTiago	if i wait will thigns get worse?	04:06
TiagoTiago	i mean, wait to see if it will unfreeze	04:06
jaem	I was using power-kernel for USBNet-based tethering for a while, but I wasn't sure if I needed it.	04:06
jaem	I suppose I could just build the relevant modules separately, right?	04:07
DocScrutinizer	jaem: we just discussed that in hostmode channel. No obviously not, but then power kernel shouldn't come with hazardous options enabled	04:07
jaem	DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I must have missed that discussion.	04:07
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: nope, you can wait another 2h and see what's happening	04:07
TiagoTiago	what do you sugegst, should i pull the battery now, or wait to see if it will come back in a couple of hours?	04:08
DocScrutinizer	jaem: you weren't there, it's a small 'private' unpopular channel	04:08
jaem	DocScrutinizer: Ah. I'm not entirely certain what you meant there, though. What was the "no, obviously not" in response to?	04:08
DocScrutinizer	response to "can you do netfilters"	04:09
* jaem nods		04:09
DocScrutinizer	it's a shame actually	04:10
nox-	iptables doesnt work on n900?	04:10
jaem	It is. Any idea why it's not included?	04:10
jaem	nox-: not by default. It's not hard to set up, though.	04:10
DocScrutinizer	"we don't need that"?	04:10
nox-	ah, power kernel, i c	04:10
jaem	nox-: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router	04:10
jaem	DocScrutinizer: Probably. Then again, "you don't need it, so we aren't shipping it" is better than "you don't need it, so we won't let you have it" cough	04:11
TiagoTiago	i'm nervous, what has better chances or not fucking it up, pulling the battery now or waiting?	04:11
jaem	TiagoTiago: Well, waiting won't make it worse.	04:11
DocScrutinizer	jaem: there's such a concept like kernel modules	04:12
jaem	DocScrutinizer: Yes, I was planning on going that route.	04:12
TiagoTiago	any idea how long untill it's obvious it wont thaw?	04:12
jaem	Oh... I missed your meaning. ;)	04:12
jaem	TiagoTiago: no, not really.	04:13
jaem	as DocScrutinizer said, it's probably not "frozen" - just swapping like there's no tomorrow.	04:13
* jaem checks the calendar		04:13
DocScrutinizer	might take hours	04:14
TiagoTiago	why there is no control-alt-del like on older Windows where you could just tell everything to wait and a task manager with system info etc would be the only thing allowed to run?	04:14
DocScrutinizer	but also should show some kind of reaction to user interaction, at least an ocasional click, vibra, or change on screen	04:15
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: hold power button for 15s	04:15
jaem	TiagoTiago: That isn't the issue here, most likely.	04:15
jaem	DocScrutinizer: Doesn't that just kill it?	04:15
DocScrutinizer	that's as close as it gets to ctrl-alt-del	04:15
TiagoTiago	screen not changing, key press sounds are working, game sounds continue to play, lens covner reminder buzzes	04:15
jaem	TiagoTiago: so it is responding, but not repainting?	04:15
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TiagoTiago	yeah	04:16
DocScrutinizer	it's swapping like hell	04:16
TiagoTiago	doesn't that just shuts it down?	04:16
zeltak	hya guys..anyone knows how to make an icon for a command line app in easy debian? it works well for gui apps	04:16
TiagoTiago	i'm not sure how reponsive it is, i think the programs aren't changing under the screen	04:17
zeltak	when i try a prog that runs in the terminal it dosent start (using debbie)	04:17
TiagoTiago	not sure though	04:17
TiagoTiago	any way i can verify if they are?	04:17
jaem_n900	zeltak: By "make an icon", do you mean "add a launcher"?	04:17
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: every user action gets stored up and slows down the process even further	04:17
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: try to shut down gently (powe rbutton)	04:18
zeltak	jaem_n900: yeah i create a .desktop file for lets say keepassx and it works great	04:18
TiagoTiago	press and hold?	04:18
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:18
TiagoTiago	will that fuck thigns up if the kernel is still being updated?	04:18
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:18
zeltak	but when i use debbie task shell for example in the exex section it dosent work	04:18
TiagoTiago	:(	04:18
zeltak	works well for gui apps	04:18
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: reflashing is easy	04:18
TiagoTiago	i'm worried about having to install and set evcerything again	04:19
zeltak	DocScrutinizer: easy yet always scary lol	04:19
DocScrutinizer	partially you'll have to do	04:19
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TiagoTiago	i think perhaps the flash game sound might be looping, though it might also be that it thinks i keep clicking on it	04:20
DocScrutinizer	you don't want to sit that out to an end	04:21
DocScrutinizer	chances power-kernel flashing already started are minimal	04:22
TiagoTiago	hm, interesting, i jsut found out what i have to do to have the text to speech tlaking clock to do it's thing, double click ont he power button	04:22
DocScrutinizer	o.O	04:22
DocScrutinizer	you got a serously interesting config there	04:23
TiagoTiago	how can it talk if there isn't processing time left to even update the screen?	04:23
DocScrutinizer	pulseaudio has higher priority	04:24
TiagoTiago	higher priority than task switching etc?	04:24
DocScrutinizer	also maybe it's really the framebuffer/X/rendering that borked	04:24
DocScrutinizer	reboot the thing	04:24
DocScrutinizer	ar as we say here: "Nur mut zum boot!"	04:24
MohammadAG	hmm?	04:25
TiagoTiago	if i manage to get the ssh to respond via network, would that provide any more info on what is going on, or allow to get things running again without needing to reflash?	04:25
MohammadAG	but if he was flashing the kernel he only needs to reflash that	04:25
DocScrutinizer	"ein Boot tut gut" :-D	04:25
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: chances are you don't need to reflash	04:26
TiagoTiago	it's not jsut pulse audio, the txt to speech engine has to run for it to read the time out loud	04:27
TiagoTiago	ssh is responding	04:27
TiagoTiago	can i get any info using it? (i'm not really used to linux command line)	04:28
TiagoTiago	ls	04:28
TiagoTiago	oops, lol, wrong window	04:28
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TiagoTiago	ok, gonna try soft shutdown...	04:30
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TiagoTiago	ok, bott up seemes to have gone without a hitch	04:34
TiagoTiago	boot*	04:34
TiagoTiago	fired up app manager, then called the catalogs screen, and it is thinking......	04:35
TiagoTiago	there, disabled -dev	04:36
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TiagoTiago	what do i need to do to "update" everythign to the latest non-dev version?	04:36
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Smhar	I read that overclocking actually improves battery life, is this reaaly true?	04:37
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TiagoTiago	the explanation of why it would makes sense fo rme, but i'm quite far from being an expert on the areas involved	04:40
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Smhar	I read that it is because of using low voltage, but does that mean that I will get the same just by using the advanced kernel without overclocking?	04:42
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TiagoTiago	i saw somthign about the low voltage, but also about running things fast and then not needing to keep runnning cause it is already done	04:44
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TiagoTiago	it switches to a much smaller voltage when idling i belive	04:47
sid_	i play with buying a maemo phone; booting from mmc is possible as far as i read; but where can i get kernel sources?	04:47
DocScrutinizer	Smhar: no, most probably is an urban legend	04:47
TiagoTiago	but like i said, i don't know much about the topic, i'm just repeating what i remember reading about it	04:47
DocScrutinizer	~tell Smhar about omap-oc	04:48
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DocScrutinizer	sid_: see /topic,	04:49
DocScrutinizer	http://mxr.maemo.org/	04:49
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fTfvJzgd6Vx73	Y wen a girl call a girl a bitch its ight but if a nigga do it its world war3... If u a bitch u a bitch stop bein 1 an u an u gud K4fWKWoxOnBJl	04:50
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DocScrutinizer	damn, should have banned	04:52
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TiagoTiago	lol	04:54
TiagoTiago	can't you still do it?	04:54
DocScrutinizer	it's gone	04:55
DocScrutinizer	got no join/quit logs here	04:55
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DocScrutinizer	anyway, nvm	04:55
DocScrutinizer	mhm	04:55
TiagoTiago	there isn't some bot or server command that will tell you info about people that aren't here anymore?	04:55
DocScrutinizer	klined anyway I guess	04:56
DocScrutinizer	/whowas	04:56
DocScrutinizer	but doesn't work usually as those idiot bots don't register	04:56
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Smhar	anyone here uses claws-email in N900?	05:02
DocScrutinizer	a few	05:02
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DocScrutinizer	the genuine mail app is so... errr, Freud knows why I even forgot the name	05:03
CMLTqs	Jus finish wit dat shake weight I was gettin crazy wit dat shit 1qVjd9wy1	05:03
* cehteh gaves up on hopeing for a useable email client ...		05:03
Smhar	I have thunderbird in my desktop. is it possible to copy my thousands of emails with tens of folders and tend of filters to claws?	05:03
cehteh	claws is ok but without hildonizing its not that easy to use	05:03
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cehteh	Smhar: depends on what format the mail folders are, iirc thats most often pita with thunderbird	05:04
pAMcSpL	Today will be epic if u get a drunk texts or tweet dat mean I fucks wit u hard imma cry tonight ayeeeee 8kFYv	05:05
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cehteh	i have an imap server running and just copied all mails to imap folders once ..	05:05
cehteh	there are some ways/tools to convert mails from/to different formats.. just try your luck and make a backup	05:06
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Smhar	I am using pop3 to access the mail. most of the mail is old and is not available in the server, only in my computer	05:06
pXZb5L2X6EQEQh	Fuk dis ugly fat ass bitch yo he cn go 2 fuking hell 4 all i give a fuk dude go suk a dik go gt run over jump off a building idgaf bout u n… mCbgYKNN3MF	05:06
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nox-	o_O	05:07
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MohammadAG	DON'T!	05:08
DocScrutinizer	what else??	05:08
MohammadAG	may I?	05:08
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MohammadAG	just seen it	05:09
MohammadAG	banning the webchat is a bad move	05:09
DocScrutinizer	fuck the webchat is a fail	05:09
DocScrutinizer	freenode is a fail	05:09
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cehteh	irc is fail	05:09
DocScrutinizer	lol	05:10
MohammadAG	agreed, private servers ftw, but you can't force 468 users to move	05:10
DocScrutinizer	that too	05:10
TiagoTiago	hm, what did i do? or wasn't me that made me leave the channel?	05:10
cehteh	years ago i wanted to make a p2p messaging system which is wot based .. but never implemented it :P	05:10
DocScrutinizer	ooh	05:10
MohammadAG	ChanServ, you're a disgrace to the +o you always have	05:10
DocScrutinizer	nah, was unrelated TiagoTiago	05:10
TiagoTiago	what happened?	05:11
MohammadAG	bots, meh	05:11
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: no idea	05:11
TiagoTiago	i see	05:11
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MohammadAG	bots seem to have moved elsewhere	05:12
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DocScrutinizer	now who's /join'ing #freenode and tell them to fix their friggin webchat with a capcha?	05:12
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: nope, not so fast ;-P	05:13
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MohammadAG	lol	05:13
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TiagoTiago	is there a way i can have separate contacts catalogs, and copy my current one into a new one?	05:13
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: alas not	05:13
DocScrutinizer	with default contacts app	05:13
TiagoTiago	is there a program that can interface with the builtin app in order to work like that?	05:14
DocScrutinizer	you can use completely unrelated contacts app from whatever you prefer though, then probably missing ways to copy	05:14
TiagoTiago	like, make a copy, and switch the whole catalog of the builtin app when i tell it ito?	05:15
DocScrutinizer	nope	05:15
TiagoTiago	balls :/	05:15
DocScrutinizer	none I know of	05:15
DocScrutinizer	you can im/export vcards	05:15
DocScrutinizer	maemo contacts doesn't support any multiple books, or groups, or whatever	05:16
DocScrutinizer	:-S	05:16
TiagoTiago	:/	05:17
DocScrutinizer	no business grade application	05:17
Smhar	how to use 'tab' in xchat in N900?	05:17
DocScrutinizer	tab?	05:18
Smhar	tab key	05:18
DocScrutinizer	do you mean auto completion for nicks?	05:18
TiagoTiago	is the contacts stored as a single file?	05:18
Smhar	yes	05:18
DocScrutinizer	try shift-space	05:18
SpeedEvil	I rebound tab to shift-rightarrow	05:18
SpeedEvil	which workd for me	05:18
Smhar	DocScrutinizer, good, thanks	05:18
DocScrutinizer	shift-space is much better	05:18
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DocScrutinizer	ohla raster	05:19
DocScrutinizer	who's osuosl? :-D	05:19
DocScrutinizer	haha, now freenode checked it and does kline	05:20
SpeedEvil	Oooh - it's a raster.	05:20
DocScrutinizer	:-D	05:20
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, bots gone?	05:20
DocScrutinizer	yeah, long time no see	05:20
TiagoTiago	is there a way i can sandbox programs in maemo? (like, trick the program into thinking it is running in the system itself, but actually it's a copy of the system and it doesn't mess up anything permanently)	05:20
SpeedEvil	Here to tease us with his 14GHz multicore phone prototype with a holographic display, and a fleshlight.	05:20
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Smhar	DocScrutinizer, I read the log you gave me about overclocking, and I understand now, thank you. but do you recommend 'upgrading' the kernel to the advance kernel without overclocking? and why?	05:20
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG:	05:20
DocScrutinizer	[2010-08-06 04:19:02] --> RcP3QX hat den Kanal betreten (5db0f1bb@gateway/web/freenode/session).	05:20
DocScrutinizer	[2010-08-06 04:19:02] <-- RcP3QX hat den Server verlassen (Disconnected by services).	05:20
SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: yes.	05:20
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raster	DocScrutinizer: kline?	05:21
SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: you copy / into /home/data/chroot or something	05:21
raster	SpeedEvil: i deny that allegation	05:21
SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: and then chroot into that	05:21
TiagoTiago	kinda like how Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/)( works in Windows	05:21
MohammadAG	hmm	05:21
* MohammadAG wonders who the other peeps in the ban list are		05:21
SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: do you have a clue with linux?	05:22
DocScrutinizer	Smhar: I didn't recommend that, it's just needed for some usecases - like netfilters/iptables for hotspot	05:22
TiagoTiago	not much, no	05:22
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SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: It's possible, but basically nothing is setup for it, and there is no friendly manner for doing it.	05:23
XOwv3xttiZu	Here wit Dee Sis N Bro We Bored....... Lol U Kan Get Wit Diz U Kan Get Wit Dat<-----Insider..... Well Ya Girlz Iz Bein Stupid Wit Dee Sis.. 8lvxdLaQaLmFb	05:23
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TiagoTiago	seems someone just found some sort of proxy and is teesting how to troll and bypass bans...	05:23
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SpeedEvil	TiagoTiago: There are some problems, as for example, you cannot have multiple desktops running rasily at once - or two phone-UIs	05:23
b5fn6	If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw	05:23
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MohammadAG	WTF IS WRONG WITH FREENODE	05:24
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MohammadAG	lulz	05:24
pronto	o.O	05:24
SpeedEvil	I do as it happens have a design for a hoverboard.	05:24
MohammadAG	might as well ban @ :P	05:24
SpeedEvil	$60000 or so.	05:24
SpeedEvil	Up to 4Km in 5 minutes.	05:24
SpeedEvil	(6 if you don't want to come back down)	05:24
Smhar	DocScrutinizer, any 'side effect' on using the advanced kernel? reasons not to use it	05:24
DocScrutinizer	fcam won't work, for example	05:25
MohammadAG	recompiled modules work :)	05:25
Smhar	fcam is not used anyway	05:26
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cehteh	video recording doesnt work here with that kernel, no idea why	05:27
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SpeedEvil	Does anyone else see really bad vignetting with fcam?	05:28
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DocScrutinizer	raster: kline??	05:28
SpeedEvil	Actually - fcam and the stock camera after installing fcam	05:29
raster	<DocScrutinizer> ohla raster	05:29
raster	<DocScrutinizer> who's osuosl? :-D	05:29
raster	<DocScrutinizer> haha, now freenode checked it and does kline	05:29
DocScrutinizer	aah, 3rd line was unrelated	05:29
raster	aaaah	05:29
raster	ok	05:29
DocScrutinizer	weird, seems on #freenode everybody is so busy fighting the web gateway bot attack - nobody even got a 5s to answer my inquiry abot it :-D	05:31
raster	web gateway bot attack?	05:33
xnt14[N900]	DocScrutinizer, what attack?	05:34
DocScrutinizer	see backscroll?	05:34
DocScrutinizer	[2010-08-06 04:23:51] <b5fn6> If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw	05:34
DocScrutinizer	[2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG setzt Modus: +b !c958e47b@*.201.88.228.123	05:34
DocScrutinizer	[2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG hat b5fn6 aus dem Kanal geworfen (b5fn6).	05:34
xnt14[N900]	DocScrutinizer, sorry, wasn't here for that, my bouncer probably has it, but I can't access that from my N900	05:35
xnt14[N900]	ah	05:35
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TiagoTiago	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-06.log.html#t2010-08-06T05:23:51	05:39
TiagoTiago	there	05:39
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TiagoTiago	and there are many other instances of some random named "person" saying things like that in the log	05:40
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xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, thanks.	05:40
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MohammadAG	I'm off	05:48
MohammadAG	might stay on the N900 a bit	05:48
Smhar	Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900?	05:48
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Smhar	Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900?	05:51
* mortini flattens to layer.		05:51
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Smhar	Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900?	05:53
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG51: wut? don't go!!	05:53
DocScrutinizer	:-D	05:53
mortini	raster: lies!	05:54
DocScrutinizer	Smhar: they are unrelated. I'd prefer mdir, and imap seems to work sub par on maemo mail app	05:55
DocScrutinizer	so go for pop3 maybe	05:55
DocScrutinizer	ooh claws	05:55
mortini	is claws mail usable on the n900?	05:55
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mortini	does it work on PR1.2?	05:55
DocScrutinizer	no idea bout claws, some are using it I heard	05:56
mortini	i saw it pre-1.2, just never tried it	05:57
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xnt14[N900]	Maemo's builtin mail is worthless... it takes forever to load and I have never successfuly been able to send a message, even though my smtp settings are 100% correct.	05:57
mortini	seems most normal linux apps built on n900 are kinda meh to use becuase the UI is for normal linux	05:57
Smhar	mortini, it is stable enough for me	05:58
mortini	xnt14[N900]: i disagree.	05:58
* xnt14[N900] wants a hildonized thunderbird for maemo...		05:58
mortini	xnt14[N900]: it's beyond worthless.	05:58
mortini	I love that it randomly checks email.	05:58
xnt14[N900]	mortini, fine, its good for reading email...	05:58
xnt14[N900]	lol	05:58
mortini	I was on call this week, and at 2am, it decided to check for mail	05:58
mortini	so, it goes BONG	05:58
mortini	for email delivered ~12 hours before	05:59
mortini	xnt14[N900]: not in my experience	05:59
TiagoTiago	I'm having issues sending msgs too :/	05:59
xnt14[N900]	brb	05:59
mortini	whever i try to read email it says somehting about not being able to read the msg on server	05:59
TiagoTiago	reading haven't been an issue so far though	05:59
mortini	idk, i had to create a seperate account just for the mail client because it can't handle mail of any volume	05:59
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mortini	seriously? grabbing the oldest imap message first?	06:00
mortini	That's. Useful.	06:00
Smhar	so for claws-mail in N900, what are the best settings? imap, pop3, mbox, mail-dir? anybody?	06:00
mortini	then again, gotta love libtinymail (note 'tiny'), but it has gtk widgets built into it.	06:01
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xnt14[N900]	N900 decides to check email in the middle of math class every single day... :P - Luckily, I have silencer installed...	06:05
xnt14[N900]	@ mortini	06:05
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TiagoTiago	why not enable silence mode?	06:05
TiagoTiago	silent*	06:05
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, It does, automatically	06:05
xnt14[N900]	via silencer	06:05
TiagoTiago	oh, i see	06:06
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xnt14[N900]	note to self: replace silencer with dbus cron job...	06:06
xnt14[N900]	:P	06:06
xnt14[N900]	hmm, how do I customize the layout/placement of xchat-n900's ui?	06:07
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ds3	9	06:08
DocScrutinizer	xnt14[N900]: you might want to check out alarmed app	06:10
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TiagoTiago	how do i get the cell broadcast msgs to show?	06:13
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: I think they're not supported (yet?)	06:14
DocScrutinizer	a really huge flaw	06:14
TiagoTiago	really? i thought that was part of the standards :/	06:15
luke-jr	I wonder if Maemo can be instructed to retain the GPRS connection even when out of range	06:15
DocScrutinizer	there's some standards N900 isn't really exactly adhering	06:15
luke-jr	so when you come back in range, any connections still alive resume	06:15
TiagoTiago	that sucks :/	06:15
luke-jr	what are cell broadcast msgs?	06:15
TiagoTiago	did Nokia give any reasons for that?	06:15
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DocScrutinizer	dunno, check bugtracker	06:16
TiagoTiago	it's a msg the cell towers send to all mobiles connected to them i think	06:16
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: def is correct	06:16
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TiagoTiago	over here usually the msgs say the operator name and the area code	06:16
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: check bug #10987 for example. Not exactly CB, but similar issue	06:17
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * <foo> rendering issue	06:17
DocScrutinizer	oops, wrong number	06:17
DocScrutinizer	well, that is better: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/	06:18
TiagoTiago	are the CB msgs avaiable via xterminal at least?	06:18
DocScrutinizer	you can try with pnatd	06:18
DocScrutinizer	but I think it won't work	06:19
DocScrutinizer	as pnatd is really brainless	06:19
DocScrutinizer	I fear it's not implemented in cellmo modem firmware	06:19
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DocScrutinizer	but tbh I haven't checked bugtracker yet	06:20
DocScrutinizer	if anywhere there is some info about it, then it's in bugtracker	06:20
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DocScrutinizer	hmm	06:26
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DocScrutinizer	moo Termana	06:26
Termana	yello	06:27
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xnt14[N900]	DocScrutinizer, k	06:28
DocScrutinizer	as if those bots know when the got no more chance	06:28
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luke-jr	I hate how Maemo gets slower and slower as it's running	06:28
luke-jr	nice and snappy after a fresh boot	06:28
TiagoTiago	seems it's bug-8347	06:29
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: swap fragmentation	06:29
xnt14[N900]	luke-jr, lol, 17 days uptime here, running as smooth as ever... but I had to kill trackerd a few times	06:29
DocScrutinizer	bug #8347	06:29
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available	06:29
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: something like that	06:29
DocScrutinizer	yep	06:29
luke-jr	xnt14[N900]: killing trackerd left me without photos for weeks ☹	06:29
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luke-jr	don't know what Nokia was smoking when they did 256 MB RAM + 768 MB swap	06:30
TiagoTiago	wow, i've just installed the flashlight thingy, those leds are awfully bright!! X.X	06:30
luke-jr	if the device can't run on 256 MB RAM, they should have just put in 512 or 1G	06:30
Termana	TiagoTiago, they go brighter	06:30
Ken-Young	THen they go out.	06:31
luke-jr	TiagoTiago: it's not so bright when you're in pitch dark ☹	06:31
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TiagoTiago	i've just looked straight into them and i'm still seeing the after image, and the lighting in my room isn't dark at all	06:31
xnt14[N900]	luke-jr, heh, well, it was just wasting time indexing all of my RFCs on my sd	06:33
DocScrutinizer	yup, those are nice. But I'd wish flashlight wasn't that clumsy to activate :-S	06:33
DocScrutinizer	should switch ON as soon as cam lens slide is opened	06:34
TiagoTiago	i've turned off the lights and tried waving it around, and it does look like they work as a decent flashlight	06:34
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: what if you just want to take photos?	06:34
DocScrutinizer	then switch them off	06:34
TiagoTiago	yeah, having to close the camera pp and then going for the desktop menu is kinda clunky	06:34
luke-jr	I take photos more often than I use flashlight ☺	06:34
DocScrutinizer	I'd not mind to do that by clicking 5 times	06:34
luke-jr	TiagoTiago: don't have to close it… :p	06:34
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luke-jr	I'd use the accelerometers	06:35
TiagoTiago	oooooh, that is nice	06:35
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: pretty simple solution: make state of flashlight sticky	06:35
luke-jr	if it's portrait, flashlight by default	06:35
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luke-jr	if landscape, camera	06:35
TiagoTiago	thuogh having to go to the desktop is still a few too many steps	06:35
DocScrutinizer	hmm, or that	06:35
luke-jr	TiagoTiago: no need to go to desktop…	06:36
luke-jr	I was wrong	06:36
luke-jr	flashlight won't activate w/ Camera app running	06:36
TiagoTiago	"unable to initialize flashlight, camera is in use by other application	06:36
TiagoTiago	:(	06:36
luke-jr	also	06:37
luke-jr	WTF is with Camera refusing to run when you're in a phone call?	06:37
TiagoTiago	why can't more than one program use the camera at the same time?	06:37
luke-jr	just because it can't play a click sound?	06:37
DocScrutinizer	most convenient thing though: switch from flashlight to cam mode on clicking the trigger button	06:37
TiagoTiago	"audio in use by another application"	06:37
TiagoTiago	why somtimes programs can use audio at the same time but others they cant?	06:38
Termana	luke-jr, click sound is the best part of the experience. Means you know your about to get smacked in the face from someone you were taking pictures off without their acknowledgement	06:38
luke-jr	the click sound is like a second before it takes the pic…	06:39
DocScrutinizer	profile : silent	06:39
Termana	Also, its illegal in some countries to not play a click sound of some sort, I believe	06:39
TiagoTiago	btw, is there a way to change the "taking a photography" sound to somthing other than analog camera inspired sounds?	06:39
Termana	Japan(?)	06:39
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: does the Camera app work then?	06:39
TiagoTiago	in my N73 i set it to that hitting somthign metal sound	06:39
DocScrutinizer	no idea, but the click sound is allegedly muted	06:40
Termana	Tried it	06:40
TiagoTiago	those laws about takign a picture sound are dumb, many actual cameras are silent	06:40
Termana	It does	06:40
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: sure, just swap the audio file	06:40
TiagoTiago	no GUI? that's lame	06:40
luke-jr	TiagoTiago: if you have such an actual camera, you are required by law to say "click" first	06:41
Termana	lol	06:41
TiagoTiago	lol	06:41
DocScrutinizer	"CLICK!"	06:41
* DocScrutinizer just took a screenshot of Termana and TiagoTiago LOLing		06:42
luke-jr	what about video mode?	06:42
DocScrutinizer	clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick	06:42
xnt14[N900]	lol	06:42
xnt14[N900]	snap	06:42
TiagoTiago	lol	06:42
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: you missed about 90% of the frames!	06:43
xnt14[N900]	well, its still more of a click...	06:43
xnt14[N900]	SLR: cluck,click!	06:43
xnt14[N900]	my slr does that	06:43
xnt14[N900]	:P	06:43
TiagoTiago	video mode does dink-dink in my N900 , also unnaceptable	06:44
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, hmm, never heard anything in vid mode...	06:44
xnt14[N900]	but that red light is a dead giveaway...	06:45
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TiagoTiago	lol	06:45
xnt14[N900]	once I was in class and wanted to record the teacher discretely, and had an almosts stock N900...	06:45
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TiagoTiago	is there a way to control the LEDs while the camera is running?	06:45
xnt14[N900]	it was a problem :P	06:45
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, I believe there is...	06:46
TiagoTiago	ducktape over the led Xp	06:46
xnt14[N900]	lol	06:46
xnt14[N900]	in the middle of science class? xD	06:46
DocScrutinizer	play-sound /usr/share/sounds/play-sound camera_snd_title_?.wav	06:46
TiagoTiago	why is there the need for a night mode if there is already an automatic mode? why the automatic doesn't automaticly go into night mode?	06:47
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DocScrutinizer	play-sound /usr/share/sounds/camera_snd_title_?.wav	06:47
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, perhaps the autodetection wasnt good enough for nokia...	06:47
DocScrutinizer	actually	06:47
DocScrutinizer	night mode for example doesn't try to autofocus afaik	06:48
TiagoTiago	is the image dark? go into night mode; how hard is that?	06:48
cehteh	nightmode is completely different	06:48
cehteh	you dont want that always at night	06:49
DocScrutinizer	the viewfinder is laggy, due to long exposure time	06:49
TiagoTiago	is ther ea fully manual camera (photo and video) with geotagging, that isn't in -dev or -test?	06:49
cehteh	nightmode is a incremental exposure	06:49
xnt14[N900]	I wonder if its possible to write a daemon which uses the accelerometers to lock sthe screen when its in my pocket (and I forget to lock it)	06:50
cehteh	not just longer shutter speed (as if there was a shutter anyways :P)	06:50
TiagoTiago	use the proximity sensor?	06:50
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, oh, right :P	06:50
DocScrutinizer	xnt14[N900]: there's proximity-foo app for that	06:50
xnt14[N900]	DocScrutinizer, /me apt-cache searches	06:50
TiagoTiago	how exactly does it work? is it some sort of sonar or just a photocell that senses when it gets darker or somthing?	06:50
cehteh	use all sensors together ...	06:51
DocScrutinizer	xnt14[N900]: - the foo maybe :-D	06:51
xnt14[N900]	hmm	06:51
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: some kind of optical sonar	06:51
xnt14[N900]	or use the front facing cam, so when its dark, lock phone?	06:51
TiagoTiago	radar then?	06:51
xnt14[N900]	during the day hours	06:51
cehteh	proximity closed, its dark and accelerometer indicates the device is portrait or reverser portrait	06:51
DocScrutinizer	optic, not RF	06:52
xnt14[N900]	TiagoTiago, IR bases i think...	06:52
DocScrutinizer	it's IR actually	06:52
xnt14[N900]	*based	06:52
TiagoTiago	what is it called then? IRADAR?	06:52
cehteh	again i really wonder why no one came up with a front cam yet which can be used for all this .. light sensor, proximity sensor and cam	06:52
xnt14[N900]	cehteh, hmm, thats a good idea, but won't polling the sensors be bad for batt life?	06:53
cehteh	little hardware and bit more software hacking	06:53
DocScrutinizer	cehteh: OMNIA 9000	06:53
xnt14[N900]	hmm	06:53
DocScrutinizer	but cam modules are actually greedy with power	06:53
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cehteh	xnt14[N900]: well needs a specially designed cam for that, little more autonomous with a tiny dsp only monitoring a 16x16 pixel array and shutting the rest down or something likle that	06:54
* xnt14[N900] has a completely random question: which phone did you have before the N900?		06:54
DocScrutinizer	openmoko FreeRunner	06:54
xnt14[N900]	bb perl 8100 here	06:54
TiagoTiago	some image sensors allow for changing which pixels are used, so i imagine using jsut the centermost pixel to save battery could work	06:54
DocScrutinizer	:-P	06:54
cehteh	and look at optical mouses .. basically these are 16x16 pixel cams with an incredible high framerate	06:54
cehteh	and these run for months on simple aaa cells	06:54
DocScrutinizer	nope they don't	06:55
cehteh	mine does :)	06:55
DocScrutinizer	they go to suspend and get activated by accelerometer	06:55
cehteh	well the cam thing isnt always on there is good powersaving	06:55
cehteh	but you can do the same with a speciall rigged vga front cam	06:56
xnt14[N900]	DocScrutinizer, lol, I had an iPhone 3G before the bb, I got sick of the absolutely crap battery life and switched to my cousin's old curve	06:56
cehteh	you poll enviromental brightness once every second, that means activating the sensor 1ms or so	06:56
cehteh	really should be doable	06:56
DocScrutinizer	that's how OMNIA does it	06:57
cehteh	as proximiy sensor you need little dsp work and maybe ir illumination	06:57
DocScrutinizer	I don't like it	06:57
cehteh	why not?	06:57
cehteh	not good?	06:57
DocScrutinizer	doesn't work reliably	06:58
DocScrutinizer	not good	06:58
cehteh	well that only means this technology could be improved	06:58
DocScrutinizer	mhm	06:58
DocScrutinizer	but a dedicated ALS is muuuuch cheaper than development of such a special critter	06:59
cehteh	depends on how much you need	06:59
DocScrutinizer	yep	06:59
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cehteh	if you could deploy millions in every phone nokia produces then its prolly cheap enough	06:59
TiagoTiago	is there a VNC server for the N900?	07:00
cehteh	or even if TI does that and any brand phone company uses it	07:00
cehteh	TiagoTiago: yes	07:00
cehteh	x11vnc	07:00
DocScrutinizer	maybe, maybe not. Production cost may exceed that of ALS + cheap VGA cam + 20ct IR proximity sensor	07:00
TiagoTiago	is it on the main extra?	07:01
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cehteh	well space savings and more design flexibility, less space required on the front for optical devices	07:01
TiagoTiago	i've once read about this idea for usign pulsign LEDs for touch/proximity sensing, perhaps a screen with RGB+IR pixels could work like that	07:02
cehteh	there are developments to make every screen pixel a ccd too	07:03
cehteh	you can (ugly, low res) scan documents with such	07:04
cehteh	and use it as touchscreen	07:04
cehteh	maybe in some years such technology is ready	07:04
TiagoTiago	yeah, would be awesome	07:04
cehteh	if we dont prefer brain implants instead :P	07:04
TiagoTiago	perhaps since each pixel cna work as proximity sensor, you might even be able to have short range 3D sensing, you would be able to simply wave your finger over instead of on the screen, no more finger prints! :D	07:05
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luke-jr	nah	07:06
luke-jr	then touchscreens just gain mouseover	07:06
luke-jr	:P	07:06
TiagoTiago	:P	07:06
luke-jr	what I really want are RGBA touchscreens	07:06
luke-jr	which are possible, to an extent, but not designed AFAIK	07:07
TiagoTiago	I think a RGB-UV screen would look great, more realistic purples	07:07
luke-jr	…	07:07
luke-jr	I think A is more important than UV	07:07
luke-jr	:p	07:07
TiagoTiago	alpha?	07:07
luke-jr	and more supportable by software probably	07:07
luke-jr	yes	07:07
luke-jr	if A is 100%, the pixel is transparent	07:08
luke-jr	if A is 0%, opaque	07:08
TiagoTiago	that would be kidna like a transreflective screen without the reflective part?	07:08
luke-jr	for embedding in glasses	07:08
TiagoTiago	perhaps a grayscale LCD behind a transparent OLED screen	07:08
luke-jr	…	07:09
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DocScrutinizer	ultracool autoadjusting sunglasses come for free	07:09
luke-jr	greyscale is white to black	07:09
luke-jr	not transparent to black	07:09
cehteh	hey .. pin a poststamp at the inner side of your glasses .. put them up and try to read	07:09
luke-jr	cehteh: I don't understand focus. ☺	07:09
TiagoTiago	well, LCD whitout the background part is black and transparent	07:09
cehteh	i have a lot negative dioptries .. but still 1cm focus isnt easy :)	07:09
luke-jr	cehteh: how can you spoof distance to a single eye?	07:10
TiagoTiago	stereokinetic illusion?	07:10
cehteh	you need some optics or a laser system which projects something directly on the retina	07:10
TiagoTiago	ah, that type of depth	07:10
cehteh	hey thats a retina display :) .. but well ba careful	07:10
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luke-jr	no other method?	07:10
cehteh	microlenses?	07:11
cehteh	well that wont be transparent	07:11
DocScrutinizer	DLP	07:11
cehteh	i opt for the laser projection .. but i dont want to be a tester :)	07:11
TiagoTiago	organic transparent lasers mounted on transparent micromecanic mounts	07:11
DocScrutinizer	plus microbeamer	07:11
luke-jr	>_<	07:11
DocScrutinizer	err projector	07:11
cehteh	dlp needs optics too	07:11
DocScrutinizer	not for the alpha	07:12
DocScrutinizer	anyway, afk	07:13
TiagoTiago	is there a program for attributing shortcuts to dragging from outside to inside the screen (perhaps only while int he desktop) ?	07:13
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Termana	lol - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1881050881.html	07:38
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TiagoTiago	lol	07:52
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ieatlint	dude, that's near me, i could score that!	07:59
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RST38h	moo all	08:04
luke-jr	lol	08:04
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psycho_oreos	the cow has landed! :p	08:05
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RST38h	The original author is no longer working on it (or so it seems)	08:05
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DocScrutinizer	cellwriter?	08:08
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TiagoTiago	do you know of somthing like Hotspot Shield ( https://www.hotspotshield.com/ ) for the N900?	08:12
MiXu-	TiagoTiago: Are you asking for a vpn client, or a service?	08:13
MiXu-	I use vpnc to use my company vpn	08:13
TiagoTiago	service	08:14
MiXu-	I think you can use any service that vpnc can connect to.	08:14
TiagoTiago	somthign to let me use public wifi hotspots without worrying about people snooping on the data i'm sending to the air, without me having to set up an endpoint to conect to the itnernet	08:14
TiagoTiago	i mena, without me having to setup my home PC to share the internet over the VPN	08:15
MiXu-	You don't have to	08:16
TiagoTiago	which service do you sugegst?	08:16
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MiXu-	There's OpenVPN that I know of	08:16
MiXu-	But I'm sure there are plenty others as well	08:16
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TiagoTiago	isn't that one jsut to conect machines instead of offering a secure way to connect tot he internet?	08:17
MiXu-	Hmm. You're probably right.	08:17
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TiagoTiago	any services like what i descrived that you know of?	08:25
TiagoTiago	gah, my usb port is starting to have a bitt of wiggle side to side Dx	08:29
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slonopotamus	TiagoTiago: i'd suggest backuping before it falls off completely :)	08:35
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TiagoTiago	i poked the pulg with the stylus and it seems to be rock solid, but with the charger plug plugged it can wiggle side to side a bit, should i be worried?	08:36
slonopotamus	you should, yep	08:37
TiagoTiago	Dx	08:37
slonopotamus	mine fell off ~ after one week after it started moving a bit	08:37
TiagoTiago	is there a tutorial somewhere on how to file down the plug so it won't put so much stress on the socket?	08:37
TiagoTiago	crap	08:38
slonopotamus	TiagoTiago: somewhere on t.m.o. ppl said they use epoxide	08:38
slonopotamus	TiagoTiago: however, if you have warranty, better take it to repair service	08:38
TiagoTiago	i'm not even sure i can get Nokia care to gimme a replacement over here, i only saw news about the N900 being officially sold by Nokia in my country a week or so ago	08:39
TiagoTiago	my father brought mine from the US this last weekend	08:39
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slonopotamus	TiagoTiago: repairs either solder it back or just replace whole motherboard depending on damage	08:40
TiagoTiago	and to make things worse the only authorized Nokia care thingy is on the other side of the town	08:40
TiagoTiago	should i test if it is wiggling witht he data cable too?	08:40
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DocScrutinizer	no you shouldn't be worried of the actual thing, as that's pretty normal that the plug is slighly loose	08:41
slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer: you should be if it wasn't initially, but is now.	08:42
DocScrutinizer	aha	08:43
DocScrutinizer	well you must know better than me, I never dealt with hardware in my life	08:43
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slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer: i just saw how it happened to mine n900	08:45
TiagoTiago	I have a Dualshock3 SIXAXIS that originall had a stiff (but easy to plug/unplug) plug, i keep it connected all the time since i can't get it work via blutooth in Windows, it now has the same side to side wiggle, but after lots of falls, tugging and fallign from having the cable stuck inthe chair arm etc it seems to still be working without any noticeable issues, do you think i can expect the...	08:45
TiagoTiago	...same from my N900?	08:45
Termana	DocScrutinizer, :D	08:45
TiagoTiago	originally*	08:45
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: at least I got 2 N900 here, a new one and a 9 month old one, and both have some clearance with both charger and CA-101	08:46
Termana	I don't RECOMMEND you tug, pull, make fall, or get stuck in the chair arm - any part or cable of your n900	08:47
Termana	But it will probably take some bashing	08:47
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luke-jr	TiagoTiago: it's a known problem that the USB socket breaks on N900. I wouldn't bet on it being ok	08:49
luke-jr	that said, I've personally never had any problems	08:50
slonopotamus	tekojo: do you also believe everything your computer says you via irc client application? :)	08:50
slonopotamus	oh, wrong chan	08:50
luke-jr	but then, I also don't use the N900's included USB cable either, so that might be why	08:50
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: to be precise and give you a better idea, the clearance is about ~1/2 the cable thickness at end of plug sideways, and quite a bit less up/down. End positions feel quite hard and defined	08:50
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TiagoTiago	i currently got zero up/down wiggle	08:50
DocScrutinizer	that's ok	08:51
TiagoTiago	ok	08:51
tekojo	slonopotamus: naturally!	08:52
DocScrutinizer	you are a donut, YOU ARE A DONUT!	08:53
TiagoTiago	i can't send email using the builtin email thingy :(	08:53
DocScrutinizer	oops, probably also wrong chan ;-D	08:53
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: then check your settings	08:54
TiagoTiago	they match what i have on my desktop machine	08:54
DocScrutinizer	hmm	08:54
DocScrutinizer	well, I can send mail with same program	08:55
TiagoTiago	are you using Gmail?	08:55
DocScrutinizer	nope	08:55
TiagoTiago	could that be the difference?	08:55
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DocScrutinizer	dunno	08:55
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Termana	TiagoTiago, did you actually select Gmail rather than Other when you set the account up?	08:56
DocScrutinizer	tbh I'd never use gmail, I need nobody read my mail on my behalf	08:57
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TiagoTiago	yeah, that's kinda annoying	08:58
TiagoTiago	but there is little alternative	08:58
DocScrutinizer	I'd also never use 8.8.8.8 or 4.4.4.4 for DNS server	08:58
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Termana	DocScrutinizer, evil google is after you!	08:58
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Termana	:P	08:58
DocScrutinizer	haha, I am after them	08:59
mece	Termana, thanks for reminding me... Ghostery...	08:59
TiagoTiago	I wish everyone would just use PGP encryption int heir emails so i can keep using Gmail without Google reading my msgs	08:59
Termana	TiagoTiago, I am a Google employee.	08:59
slonopotamus	hehe :) my wife uses "mount" to mean "go together with". like, "i think this blouse doesn't mount with this skirt"	08:59
Termana	It is my job to hand transcribe each email to make sure it is right	09:00
Termana	And we store the data	09:00
TiagoTiago	is there a way i can see what exactly the client and the server say to each other when it is failing to send the msg?	09:00
Termana	with our jiggwatt server farms	09:00
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: how about 4.2.2.2?	09:00
mece	slonopotamus: LOL that guy doesn't mount that chick... erm..	09:00
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: I got my own "private" DNS and I know the IP by heart	09:01
luke-jr	slonopotamus: I think usually when people's wives use "mount", they mean "sit on"	09:01
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: 128 bits is a lot to memorize	09:01
Termana	DocScrutinizer, is it hap.py.end.ings	09:01
Termana	? :P	09:01
mece	LOL	09:01
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DocScrutinizer	pfff	09:02
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DocScrutinizer	IPv6 - you're kidding?	09:02
luke-jr	[01:02:30] [Whois] luke-jr is ~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d (Luke-Jr)	09:02
Termana	:P	09:02
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luke-jr	less than a year until IPv4 is filled	09:03
DocScrutinizer	[Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist ~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg reisenweber)	09:03
DocScrutinizer	:-P :-P	09:03
mece	ok.,.. maemo gives (or tries to) give my data to google analytics and quantcast, apparently.	09:03
luke-jr	anyone without IPv6 still is in for a big y2k-crisis	09:03
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mece	luke-jr, any day now...	09:04
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Termana	hello crashanddie	09:04
crashanddie_	hiya	09:04
crashanddie_	what's the gmail MfE server?	09:04
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crashanddie_	for calendar	09:04
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: how's that? my DNS server's IPv4 won't vanish any time soon, even when the whole internets go IPv6	09:05
DocScrutinizer	maybe google fo it? X-P	09:07
DocScrutinizer	(MfE)	09:07
crashanddie_	DocScrutinizer, well, google on the n900 is only giving me french results which are useless, lol	09:08
luke-jr	lol	09:08
DocScrutinizer	ok	09:08
luke-jr	reminds me of Garage	09:08
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	09:08
luke-jr	stupid site only gives me Japanese -.-	09:08
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crashanddie_	guesswork did the trick	09:10
crashanddie_	m.google.com	09:10
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DocScrutinizer	damn, lemme delete all my real contacts and create addr and phone of O. BinLaden and donald duck, then I must finally start to use that cool shit	09:12
DocScrutinizer	ooh, and facebook of course. Mustn't miss facebook	09:13
Termana	DocScrutinizer, make sure you use Windows and Outlook, to ensure best privacy!	09:13
Termana	:P	09:13
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TiagoTiago	I really shouldn't have created my contacts the way i did, now it's a pain to figure out which number is the current one and which is the old one with the contacts merged :/	09:14
DocScrutinizer	mmmpf, I knew there's been something odd with my IT	09:14
DocScrutinizer	wrong OS	09:14
mece	So who's going to sonisphere?	09:14
pupnik	my gf	09:14
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DocScrutinizer	Openmoko gone to inonosphere - and beyond	09:15
DocScrutinizer	well, one Freerunner, but nevertheless	09:16
luke-jr	?	09:16
DocScrutinizer	DLR	09:16
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TiagoTiago	can i undo all the merges i did in my contacts?	09:17
DocScrutinizer	Freerunner actually been first (open free linux) phone going outer space	09:17
ieatlint	outer space? a freerunner?	09:18
DocScrutinizer	yep	09:18
ieatlint	you know outer space means out of earth orbit	09:18
DocScrutinizer	ask mickey	09:18
TiagoTiago	Can i make the OVI suite contacts overwrite the catalog ont he device?	09:19
DocScrutinizer	hmm, ok if that's the definition then probably not. Instead I think it even returned to earth	09:19
luke-jr	ieatlint: impossible! :D	09:19
ieatlint	i'm going to guess it was just in a weather balloon that went to the stratosphere	09:19
luke-jr	everything orbits Earth	09:19
DocScrutinizer	ieatlint: nope, I heard it was a rocket and it was in space	09:20
ieatlint	i know people who've launched htc dreams that high several times... but i guess not an "open" linux phone	09:20
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ieatlint	huh, weird	09:20
DocScrutinizer	stratosphere pahh, doing that every weekend I guess	09:20
ieatlint	indeed	09:21
ieatlint	a $30 weather balloon and a few bucks in helium and done	09:21
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DocScrutinizer	wasn't that SpeedEvil who's doing baloon	09:22
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ieatlint	well, the device is a decent battery operated linux device	09:22
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TiagoTiago	it will be awesome when a material is developed that is stiff and light enough that you can make a baloon out of it, and then suck all the air out and have it be a vacum baloon	09:22
mece	TiagoTiago: LOL	09:23
mece	TiagoTiago: yes, that would be very useful.	09:23
mece	Oh right.. bonk sel	09:23
DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: such material exists since ages	09:23
mece	s/sel/self/	09:23
infobot	mece meant: Oh right.. bonk self	09:23
TiagoTiago	what is it?	09:23
DocScrutinizer	it's called helium :-P	09:23
TiagoTiago	you can't make a baloon out of helium, it's a gass	09:23
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DocScrutinizer	sure you can - fill it into some plastic hull and it's nicely baloon shaped	09:24
TiagoTiago	then it is plastic with helium inside, isntead of unobtainium with nothing inside	09:25
DocScrutinizer	it's helium with nothing else inside	09:25
TiagoTiago	i fuck, it hought OVI suit e would show me the conflicts, isntead it fucking merged both catalogs Dx	09:26
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TiagoTiago	ok, how can i erase allt he contacts int he device and in OVI suite so i can get them from my old cell phone and start from scratch?	09:27
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DocScrutinizer	ieatlint: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p1456 (100km, so not exactly stratosphere)	09:32
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ieatlint	haha, yeah, 100km... that's a little ways up :P	09:32
DocScrutinizer	http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p14569	09:33
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ieatlint	haha	09:34
ieatlint	i'm impressed it didn't freeze, i see essentially no insulation	09:34
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TiagoTiago	freeze? what was there to freeze? it is all solid parts already!	09:37
DocScrutinizer	http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg49762.html	09:38
DocScrutinizer	FSO \o/	09:38
TiagoTiago	if anything, it probably run a little bit faster	09:38
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DocScrutinizer	FSO FTW	09:38
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mece	wow.. Mandelbulb exploration! Spectacular! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5fXGqeM5c	09:40
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TiagoTiago	fuck, i tried transfering the contacts from my old mobile and isntead it deleted the stuff i had delted on my N900, all of it Dx	09:41
pupnik	wow mece -- wow	09:41
DocScrutinizer	btw rhat Michael Lauer there is this http://maemo.org/profile/view/mickeyl/ and we got http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue >>I'm the architect behind the freesmartphone.org middleware project and would like to port this to run on the N900.<< :-)	09:42
stonda	mece: have a look on thread here also - http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=7296	09:42
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TiagoTiago	I've really fucked thigns up, no original contacts, all of the merged mess in all the devices and on OVI suite, this really gonna be a PITA to organize now :(	09:45
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ieatlint	TiagoTiago: most components have a min operating temp	09:45
mece	stonda: head explodingly awesome :D	09:45
mece	compiling for N900 in a bit...	09:45
ieatlint	the lcd sure... but you aren't presumably looking at that while it's on a rocket	09:45
ieatlint	but other things can fail	09:46
ieatlint	sorry, distract, just got a new laptop, installing linux	09:46
mece	heh.. ok might not exactly work on n900..	09:46
TiagoTiago	really? i thought they would just run like kinda overclocked	09:46
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pupnik	http://sourceforge.net/projects/mandelbulber/	09:47
pupnik	nice	09:47
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DocScrutinizer	TiagoTiago: restore backup :-P	09:48
TiagoTiago	hm, in the N900?	09:49
DocScrutinizer	sure	09:49
TiagoTiago	that could be the way to go	09:49
pupnik	universe is too freaky-awesome	09:49
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mece	pupnik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE	09:49
mece	pupnik: the borg!	09:49
TiagoTiago	so i jsut restore "communication & calendar", right?	09:50
DocScrutinizer	yup	09:51
DocScrutinizer	at least I'd think so	09:51
DocScrutinizer	don't forget to make another backup first :-P	09:52
TiagoTiago	too late :/	09:52
Stskeeps	maemo.org is rapidly going down the path of the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c	09:53
DocScrutinizer	never restore a backup without doing a backup of the system state before backup restore	09:53
TiagoTiago	well, so far it seems everythign went ok	09:53
TiagoTiago	is there a way i can preview what is gonna be done before actually performing the synch?	09:54
* DocScrutinizer wonders idly how to schedule automatic backups on N900		09:56
mece	Stskeeps: hahaha! yeah :D	09:56
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Termana	DocScrutinizer, with the force	09:57
Termana	zzzzshoooo	09:57
Termana	Also,	09:57
Termana	Stskeeps, bad boy, linking to stuff that is blocked in certain countries	09:57
Termana	:P	09:57
Stskeeps	silly countries	09:57
mece	Stskeeps: I'm waiting for the whiners to abandon ship so we can start having fun again.	09:58
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Termana	mece, meego.com sounds like the place for you!	09:58
Termana	:P	09:58
Stskeeps	mece: i'm starting to have fun in meego.com, personally	09:58
Stskeeps	it feels more like itt in the old days	09:58
Stskeeps	Termana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usm9SpnHYJQ&feature=related	09:58
DocScrutinizer	~xyawn	09:59
infobot	i heard xyawn is sleep	09:59
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mece	Stskeeps: Well the discussions there are more on your level than mine..	09:59
Stskeeps	mece: hopefully it'll get better over time	09:59
DocScrutinizer	n8	10:00
Termana	good night DocScrutinizer	10:01
Termana	Stskeeps, oh... my... god. That video hit me on such a deep level. The video is an almost EXACT description of tmo :P	10:02
mece	Termana, except tmo is more like a hippo imo. But yeah.	10:03
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TiagoTiago	hm, OVI suite is not seeing the restored contacts	10:03
TiagoTiago	it's only seeing the stale version of the catalog :\	10:04
mece	wait, does ovi suite support n900 now?	10:04
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TiagoTiago	cotnacts and a few other things, not 100% though	10:05
pupnik	maturity isn't a function of age	10:06
timeless	does ovi suite run on osx yet?	10:07
TiagoTiago	that i dunno	10:08
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TiagoTiago	isn't there some sort of emulator that woudl let you run WinXp inside Mac OS?	10:10
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mece	timeless: no just windows	10:11
TiagoTiago	hm, the restored contacts aren't visible, but if i create a new cotnact it sees it	10:15
jacekowski	morning	10:17
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SwedeMike	does the N900 have any firewalling by default? in that case, what tool is used to administrate it? I can't find ipchains or iptables or anything like that?	10:19
X-Fade	SwedeMike: Well that explains your question then :)	10:20
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MiXu-	does a usable & reliable spotify client exist for N900?	10:22
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SwedeMike	X-Fade: well, my problem is that the kernel doesn't seem to get responses to it's IPv6 NS packets, and I'm trying to figure out why a packet I see in tcpdump on the N900 doesn't really "make it" to the kernel. If there is no firewall, I can't really think of anything else.	10:22
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jacekowski	since when n900 supports ipv6?	10:24
MiXu-	It doesn't.	10:24
jacekowski	well, that would explain the problem	10:24
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timeless	there's a nokia labs in california which offered an ipv6 stack for testing	10:25
* timeless can't find it		10:26
timeless	it requires precisely pr1.2	10:26
timeless	something before or after and you'll have a brick	10:26
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DocScrutinizer	after??? o.O	10:28
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jacekowski	timeless: pr1.3?	10:28
cehteh	power-kernel supports v6 or? .. well prolly all applications are compiled without v6 support :P	10:29
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drizztbsd	cehteh: you can use firefox	10:30
drizztbsd	microb does not support ipv6	10:30
Termana	In This Channel: Fools who haven't realized Nokians have later versions than the PR releases and that Nokia is working on an N900 Maemo update	10:30
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Termana	(past 1.2)	10:31
cehteh	www support over v6 is really the least important thing	10:31
cehteh	i am thinking more about openvpn, ssh and other networking tools (vnc?)	10:31
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timeless	fwiw we also have versions post the final release for the n8x0	10:32
X-Fade	Termana: But as we say, that doesn't imply it will ever get released.	10:32
jacekowski	that's already working	10:32
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timeless	so just because we have such versions doesn't mean they see the light of day	10:32
cehteh	show it or it doesnt exist :P	10:32
mece	timeless, that's just evil.	10:32
timeless	sadly, from what i heard about the n8x0 case, it had a fix for a regression which was included in the last shipping version	10:32
timeless	....	10:32
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DocScrutinizer	Termana: that's nothing new. But I always thought Nokians get lynched and shot when using a single word regarding that fact in public :-P	10:33
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timeless	docscrutinizer: afaik we only get lynched if we're dumb enough to make commitments	10:34
jacekowski	so you said that there will be pr1.3?	10:34
timeless	the idea that there'd be a newer version of software isn't a secret	10:34
timeless	jacekowski: that's the sort of thing you will not hear me say	10:35
Termana	To my knowledge, someone did make a commitment to a 1.3	10:35
Wolfie	to my knowledge, someone did make a commit to 1.3	10:35
timeless	not I!	10:35
* cehteh rather wonders why nokia tries to package all as a huge update instead rolling some smaller things out		10:35
MiXu-	Who did? :)	10:35
cehteh	for example a new modest version :P	10:35
MiXu-	"someone"	10:35
Termana	My super secret insiders? Kidding :P	10:36
pupnik	cehteh: because the model is still "firmware"	10:36
Termana	I think it was Quim	10:36
timeless	cehteh: i suspect we think we need to get certified	10:36
jacekowski	cehteh: because small upgrades break less things, but break them more often	10:36
Termana	~whattoexpect	10:36
cehteh	timeless: by whom?	10:36
timeless	which means that any change has to go through some heavy bits	10:36
Termana	infobot, nuke infobot	10:36
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M!		10:36
timeless	cehteh: well. officially the browser changing requires a flash certification	10:36
MiXu-	cehteh: It's a nightmare trying to sort things out if there are 1000000 different combinations of packages a user could have.	10:36
timeless	which costs about a month	10:36
cehteh	timeless: poor nokia :)	10:37
timeless	plus, if we ship 30 randomly different "platforms"	10:37
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timeless	our devs will curse us more than if we only ship 3 randomly different "platforms"	10:37
cehteh	MiXu-: this is already the case on a debian derived platform with community repositories	10:37
MiXu-	cehteh: So let's make it worse by releasing a new update every week? :)	10:37
timeless	cehteh: oddly nokia thinks it can do better and not upset potential commercial groups	10:38
cehteh	well i dont really care .. but i bet even if 1.3 is in the works we wont see it this year, if ever and not canceled later	10:38
timeless	you do not make friends w/ companies by constantly changing your API surface	10:38
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MiXu-	cehteh: Aren't you an optimist :)	10:38
cehteh	timeless: yeah upset your paying users .. nice thinking :P	10:38
timeless	note that MS made friends for 2 decades by maintaining compatibility	10:38
timeless	cehteh: paying users don't like platforms that have no apps	10:38
timeless	it's better for there to be slightly annoyed app devs writing things	10:39
timeless	than app devs walking away	10:39
Termana	I must have been mistaken, its not Quim who has his name down on the page	10:39
Wolfie	timeless: that story about the SimCity mode in win95 is pretty exemplary :)	10:39
cehteh	well i really have no much faith in nokia, nice device but for the software, i dont really expect that it will work much better than now, at least not by nokias efforts	10:39
Termana	http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#What_are_the_officially-confirmed_major_feature_in_future_Maemo_5_release_.3F	10:39
timeless	if you only have to target 3 platforms	10:39
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Termana	Konttori has commited to 1.3. In a round about way	10:39
cehteh	timeless: chasing apple .. trying, failing ...	10:39
Termana	So, fry him if it doesn't come	10:40
timeless	it's managable	10:40
Termana	Not timeless! :P	10:40
timeless	thanks :)	10:40
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timeless	fwiw, konttori is a fairly good English speaker, and makes a reasonably good politician as devs go	10:40
timeless	so i doubt he specifically committed to 1.3	10:41
Termana	lol :P	10:41
timeless	(most finns are not good at either, so i wouldn't make the same assumption in the average case)	10:41
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cehteh	meego wont change that, i like it and it will become a great platform (hopefully) but trying to make it like iTunes and a apps platform just because apple does so will certainly fail (and i dont care)	10:41
Termana	cehteh, you don't expect it to work much better than now? That's fine - what functionality do you believe your actually missing that isn't there now?	10:41
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* timeless frowns		10:41
cehteh	Termana: oh i could give you a long list	10:42
pupnik	http://osxdaily.com/2010/08/05/70-of-college-freshman-use-macs/ study shows 70% of college freshmen using Macs	10:42
cehteh	no working (as in useable) email client still	10:42
timeless	http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000054.html	10:42
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timeless	is the simcity w95 story in case people don't recognize it (i didn't recall it)	10:42
MiXu-	As for the content, I feel that navigation is the only thing that N900 should have had but didn't ship with. The rest is just fixing performance and reliability.	10:42
TiagoTiago	ok, if i export the contacts, then import them, OVI suite will see them, but that caused duplciates of every contact in the N900, so i deleted everything and then imported again,a nd now OVI suite sees them and no duplciates int he device	10:43
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Wolfie	timeless: oh, i thought it was a pretty common example. Should've linked to it, probably	10:43
MiXu-	TiagoTiago: There's an application that can be used to merge duplicate contacts	10:43
cehteh	Termana: more up to date kernel with better communication between nokia and commmunity would be nice too (there are quite a lot improvements in lets say 2.6.32 with is a lts kernel)	10:43
MiXu-	Facebook migrator or something like that	10:43
TiagoTiago	well, now it's too late, i've already manually selected 511 cotnacts to be deleted and deleted them	10:44
Termana	cehteh, MeeGo will bring a new kernel, and it will continue to be pushed forward	10:44
Termana	Including having it eventually all mainlined	10:44
timeless	wolfie: i know of various quirks	10:44
timeless	i really should know that one but..	10:44
cehteh	meego wont be on the n900, at least not offically as consumer OS right?	10:44
MiXu-	I wouldn't hold my breath	10:45
cehteh	R&D aside	10:45
Termana	cehteh, it depends entirely what you define officially as	10:45
TiagoTiago	will all official Meego versions be x86 isntead of ARM?	10:45
Wolfie	cehteh: i'd expect it to be a community thing, but not an official Nokia thing	10:45
cehteh	as in nokia offering a flashable official image	10:45
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kerio	OSes aren't for consumers	10:45
Wolfie	(community, in the same sense as py/qt are currently)	10:45
Termana	cehteh, you wont get it as a flashable image, its too big. But there will be images built weekly soon	10:45
Termana	(to go on your SD card)	10:46
cehteh	so how about functionality? camera, phone, gps?	10:46
Stskeeps	Termana: we just uploaded our first	10:46
Termana	cehteh, it should all eventually come	10:46
cehteh	really?	10:46
Stskeeps	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php , go nuts	10:46
Stskeeps	http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=6642&postcount=93	10:46
cehteh	i dont hold my breath	10:46
Wolfie	cehteh: wasn't it ~publicly acknowledged that N900 is the internal testing platform for mobile meego?	10:46
Termana	cehteh, the N900 is the MeeGo ARM reference platform, if they left out features, it really wouldn't be a great reference would it	10:46
timeless	http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2003/10/15/55296.aspx BOZOSLIVEHERE is great	10:46
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Wolfie	so, if it works inside of Nokia's walls, it'll probably eventually work outside them too	10:47
cehteh	Wolfie: yes .. but it was never saied that it will be a release platform	10:47
kerio	yay	10:47
Termana	cehteh, define release.	10:47
Wolfie	cehteh: no. But i don't see a reason to explicitly break compatibility, once N900 gets a proper meego replacement for the nokians	10:47
cehteh	devloping and testing apps on the n900 (without support for all device features like phone,gps,cameras) it wont be much useful except for development	10:47
Termana	cehteh, Put it this way, you'll get it, but you cant call support for it	10:48
kerio	meego is colorful and cute ^_^	10:48
cehteh	lets see ..	10:48
Wolfie	and i wouldn't be all too surprised if some of the paid meego guys would do some skunkworks projects to keep meego working happily on the n900	10:48
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Wolfie	Termana: how many times have you actually picked up the phone, and called nokia for support for your phones?	10:48
crashanddie	excellent comment http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1745238&cid=33157030	10:48
Stskeeps	Wolfie: we're a rather large team paid to work on meego for n900 hardware adaptation	10:49
Termana	Wolfie, never actually	10:49
cehteh	there are enough closed blobs in maemo on the n900 which will make a meego port without nokias commitment really hard, if not impossible	10:49
crashanddie	Stskeeps: and if every little bit helps: thanks.	10:49
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Wolfie	Stskeeps: i suspect no less. But I thought that my scenario would be a minimum	10:49
Wolfie	Termana: i think i rest my case, then	10:49
Termana	cehteh, thats a load of turd, I'm sorry.	10:49
Stskeeps	Wolfie: feel free to track #meego-arm, we do our work in the open	10:49
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TiagoTiago	Where can i read Nokia's excuse for keeping parts of Maemo5 closed source?	10:50
Stskeeps	cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=777374&postcount=135	10:50
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Stskeeps	cehteh: phone stack on APE side is getting opened	10:50
Wolfie	Stskeeps: thanks, but i'm not too interested in dev builds. I'll wait eagerly for the moment when a safe maemo->meego conversion can be made, though	10:50
SwedeMike	jacekowski: the power kernel supports ipv6 (supposedly, others use it)	10:50
Termana	The worst closed blob is BME. The others are flexible to get working without commitment from Nokia	10:50
Wolfie	Termana: but you might be interested in #meego-arm	10:51
frals	Stskeeps: is there a list of what works in that build or do i need to find a spare device and test it? :D	10:51
Termana	Wolfie, I'm in #meego-arm	10:51
Termana	:P	10:51
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Wolfie	oh :D	10:52
cehteh	Stskeeps: show it else it doesnt exist .. well i dont want to hold my breath, but i am only pessimist, while i still hope and see a real chance that this all may happen including fulyl functional meego support (by community) on the n900	10:52
Wolfie	oh, well, i might as well join, for the gossip, if for nothing else	10:52
cehteh	but for now its just hope and lukewarm wishes in few parts	10:52
Stskeeps	cehteh: hang on	10:52
crashanddie	MohammadAG51: why are you opped?	10:53
cehteh	Stskeeps: i wanted to say that i dont hang on, but if it eventually happens it will still be great	10:53
Stskeeps	cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=776781#post776781	10:53
alterego	Nokiaare setting up an auto builder for the closed source components which shows at least a mid term commitment to us getting the closed blobs	10:53
Stskeeps	note the first items	10:53
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Stskeeps	cehteh: this is actually happening, so	10:53
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cehteh	yes .. call me when finished :)	10:54
Stskeeps	we might, once voice calls work	10:54
alterego	What I'd like to see though, as Nokia are dropping maemo is the opening of all the Maemo applications ..	10:54
timeless	http://web.archive.org/web/20030919002207/geonic.net/lib/development/win/petzbook/ could be an amusing read..	10:54
Termana	Stskeeps, :D	10:54
Stskeeps	alterego: frankly, too much effort for too little benefit	10:54
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alterego	Even if they can't open the driver blobs. They can open the apps.	10:55
crashanddie	alterego: won't happen. Maemo 4 didn't get OS'd	10:55
Termana	alterego, I think thats a silly request. Don't you think any closed app code is going to be used later on?	10:55
alterego	How much effort to dump a source tarball ..	10:55
Termana	In Harmattan even for example?	10:55
Stskeeps	alterego: big, actually	10:55
TiagoTiago	hm, i can't change the name of a contact field int he N900 like how i could in the N73?	10:55
Stskeeps	alterego: legal reviews is a huge portion	10:55
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crashanddie	TiagoTiago: how did you do it on the N73?	10:55
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cehteh	Stskeeps: if the hardware is all supported then i would install a community supported meego on my phone (even replacing maemo) ...	10:55
alterego	ghey, it should have all been open from the start ...	10:56
Stskeeps	cehteh: but yeah, we're working hard on hardware support	10:56
crashanddie	alterego: trolly mood today? :P	10:56
alterego	The GPL removes any liability ...	10:56
TiagoTiago	Options:Edit Label	10:56
Stskeeps	alterego: not if you gpl stuff you don't own	10:56
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cehteh	i mean meego shouldnt make anything worse, and the only benefit is, that its slightly more future proof	10:56
alterego	Stskeeps: Nokia don't own the media player front end?	10:57
alterego	The don't own calendar and contacts ui?	10:57
cehteh	apropos what will be the default email client on meego?	10:57
Stskeeps	alterego: everything has to be checked to verify that the resulting gpl'ed code isn't tainted - it's good nokia does this as you can trust what they release is good stuff	10:57
Stskeeps	cehteh: we are speaking of meego from meego.com and not harmattan, right	10:57
DocScrutinizer	(<Termana> The worst closed blob is BME. The others are flexible to get working) nonsense	10:57
TiagoTiago	crashanddie: with the detail in question selected, i pressed Options and then Edit Label	10:57
alterego	Hrm, what about giving oyut the sourcve under NDA and letting me submit patches :)	10:58
cehteh	Stskeeps: speaking about meego on the n900 , and possibly any successor device	10:58
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cehteh	while i dont plan to buy a new one	10:58
DocScrutinizer	Termana: the worst closed things are: GPS, Camera FW, GFX accel	10:58
Stskeeps	camera fw is open, actually	10:58
cehteh	DocScrutinizer: mce, bme, dsme	10:58
Stskeeps	and other things being opened in regard to that, i believe	10:58
DocScrutinizer	cehteh: nonsense, dsme is open	10:59
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* RST38h EHLOs Stskeeps		10:59
cehteh	ah ok	10:59
* Stskeeps goes back to work		10:59
alterego	Is the control panel open?	10:59
alterego	Network config UI?	10:59
RST38h	Stskeeps: Camera FW is actually closed and owned by camera manufacturer :)	10:59
alterego	I don't want maemo to die :(	10:59
crashanddie	timeless: interesting to read that windows 2.0 finally allowed "overlapping windows rather than the "tiled" windows found in the earlier versions of Windows", considering that one of the features of Windows 7 is to be able to use tiled disposition of multiple windows.	11:00
RST38h	Stskeeps: But the framework to use the camera (FCam) is open and it is complete enough not to need the FW	11:00
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: thanks, that's what I thought	11:00
alterego	But I do want to fix some of the issues with the apps ...	11:00
Stskeeps	RST38h: actually no, there's one blob that's uploaded and it's open	11:00
Stskeeps	RST38h: rest is userspace algorithms	11:00
RST38h	Doc: But you really do not need the camera fw, no more than you need the baseband FW	11:00
Stskeeps	RST38h: there might be some ROM but so it goes	11:00
RST38h	Stskeeps: From my talks with Nokians, the camera is pretty self-contained	11:01
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: actually I'd need the cam FW much more than the GSM stack	11:01
RST38h	Stskeeps: and running some manufacturer fw internally	11:01
alterego	Stskeeps: what about GPS then? We've reversed some of the protocol ourselves but are unable to load agps ephemeris data ..	11:01
Stskeeps	alterego: i don't know about gps as we haven't discussed that yet	11:01
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: unless it's a really good and open API	11:01
RST38h	Doc: Use FCam, it does everything	11:01
RST38h	Doc: Not sure if it si good, but at least it is complete	11:01
alterego	Stskeeps: let us know when you do please? :)	11:01
DocScrutinizer	does it slow motion?	11:01
RST38h	Doc: Yes, think so	11:01
DocScrutinizer	o.O	11:02
alterego	GPS and SGX are my love :D	11:02
RST38h	Doc: in the sense that you can make pictures in very rapid succession	11:02
Stskeeps	SGX, go picket imgtec	11:02
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Stskeeps	:P	11:02
DocScrutinizer	yeah, like 100fps	11:02
DocScrutinizer	200fps	11:02
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RST38h	alterego: Somehow, it sounds like a sexual deviation	11:02
alterego	RST38h: DocScrutinizer fcam API is pretty good. Not Qt based but it is good :)	11:02
RST38h	Doc: I do not think the hw can go this fast: it needs to shift data out after all	11:03
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alterego	Streams 640x480 at 25fps	11:03
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: without proper support from FW for sure not	11:03
alterego	I've not got any data faster ..	11:03
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DocScrutinizer	otherwise no problem	11:03
alterego	And I've not tried streaming higher res	11:04
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DocScrutinizer	if it can scale (5MP vs 640x480) and it can do VGA @ 25fps, then it can clock out 320x240 @ 100fps	11:05
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alterego	DocScrutinizer: only if the firmware or whatever handles frame streaming allows that	11:06
alterego	The 25fps might be "hard coded" ...	11:06
crashanddie	w00t at Google's multiple account sign-in	11:07
DocScrutinizer	alterego: [2010-08-06 10:03:25] <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: without proper support from FW for sure not	11:07
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: for surrounds analysis?	11:07
alterego	crashanddie: openid? :)	11:07
TiagoTiago	i would imagine there might be a limit for per pixel FPS that even if you get ask for less pixels you can't get more FPS	11:07
crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: I have a hard time seeing any use of 320x240 for anything else, even with 100fps	11:08
alterego	Heh	11:08
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: VHS isn't any better than that	11:08
TiagoTiago	damn, custom label names aren't recognized by OVI suite, seems there is little chance i'll get them on N900 :(	11:08
crashanddie	well, sure, but we'd have to see about compression then	11:09
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: though, it's been a while that I've watched a VHS, and am not unhappy because of it :P	11:09
alterego	And the tmo flavour of today "Will Nokia support meego on N900" omg ..	11:09
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alterego	Someone should to a meego N900 wikipage for this rubblish	11:10
BCMM	i thought it was already decided that they shouldn't?	11:10
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BCMM	typo, meant wouldn't	11:10
BCMM	i meant won't, even	11:11
BCMM	ok, breakfast first, then typing, sorry	11:11
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TiagoTiago	I need a way to have a field that is a cell phone, but has additional data associated with it (besides home and commercial variations)	11:11
RST38h	Doc: Do look at FCam, it may allow changing resolution	11:11
RST38h	Doc: And do try to understand that if the camera does not support this, then no firmware will help you	11:12
jacekowski	there is nothing that can help him	11:12
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I think I'm too tied, I read "try to understand..."	11:12
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alterego	Depends on what "support" means in this context, supporting getting MeeGo working on N900 yes, supporting N900 with community build of MeeGo or Harmattan with Ovi and closed apps, not f*cking likely :)	11:13
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DocScrutinizer	tired even	11:14
BCMM	what's Ovi good for anyway?	11:14
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DocScrutinizer	need no castor oil?	11:14
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timeless	bcmm: laughs?	11:14
alterego	BCMM: it might not be great at the moment but it will take eventually I'm sure.	11:14
BCMM	the bit i've used is ovi maps	11:15
alterego	I also noticed MeeGo is supposedly supporting community repository.	11:15
BCMM	sure, it's improving	11:15
Termana	alterego, Nokia is willing to license things out for redistribution if the community is able to make Harmattan work on the N900	11:15
BCMM	open alternatives are improving an order of magnitude faster though	11:15
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alterego	Termana: how can we make Harmattan available if we don't have source? :)	11:15
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Termana	alterego, working with binaries is doable	11:16
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alterego	I guess we have to wait, also, what do they plan on doing? giving us the harmattan firmware images for the next device if you have an N900 so we can try and adapt?	11:17
alterego	I can't see that happening.	11:17
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DocScrutinizer	muhaha	11:17
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Termana	alterego, thats just being a pessimist in the situation. We'll see what they allow and what they don't when it comes time.	11:18
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BCMM	alterego: come to think of it, what exactly do you mean by Ovi?	11:19
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alterego	BCMM: ovi app store.	11:19
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alterego	The web services will obviously work :P	11:19
BCMM	isn't the brand approximately as meaningful as .net was, back when it referred to 15 different things?	11:19
BCMM	ah	11:19
alterego	I'm so tired of Adobe Flash rants :/	11:20
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D-Iivil_Work	_o/	11:21
* BCMM can feel 30 people trying not to Adobe-Flash-rant at alterego now		11:22
TiagoTiago	lol	11:22
pupnik	flash sucks	11:22
D-Iivil_Work	flash is overrated.	11:22
pupnik	so does android	11:22
D-Iivil_Work	"downloading SetupSMM_Maemo_Europe.zip, 10hours 59minutes left (20.1 kbps)" argh	11:23
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alterego	I really don't use flash much on the N900 just youtube really ...	11:24
kerio	robot unicorn attack is unplayable :(	11:25
DocScrutinizer	IP over pigeon?	11:25
D-Iivil_Work	alterego, same here. But I don't even use youtube's website. If I feel like watching video from tube I just use dedicated app.	11:25
alterego	Not tried the dedi app	11:25
D-Iivil_Work	alterego, mediabox works guite good.	11:26
alterego	I usually watch videos embedded in facebook or blogs etc ..	11:26
alterego	Might check it out at some point :)	11:26
D-Iivil_Work	alterego, minitube is also very promising.	11:27
alterego	Does it use flash to play the video or can it stream like the iPhone with H264 or whatever?	11:27
D-Iivil_Work	alterego, just needs to be hildonized.	11:27
DocScrutinizer	D-Iivil_Work: maybe change from Morse to something more contemporary, like ADSL?	11:27
alterego	Hahah	11:27
D-Iivil_Work	DocScrutinizer, clever.. maybe Sygic needs to update their connection to something more proper one...	11:27
DocScrutinizer	mhm, maybe yes	11:27
D-Iivil_Work	DocScrutinizer, my current 100/10 connection works just fine :)	11:28
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D-Iivil_Work	But Sygic... omg. They didn't learn anything after they had same issue with releasing MM9.	11:28
D-Iivil_Work	They said they will upgrade their bandwidth, but does not seem to be true.	11:28
D-Iivil_Work	LOL :D Now it says "2days, 8hours left (7,8kbps) :-P	11:29
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mece	kerio, is that in the repos?	11:30
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frals	D-Iivil_Work: where do you get a proper connection like that in .fi :(	11:32
D-Iivil_Work	frals, cable.	11:33
D-Iivil_Work	frals, cable-tv company.	11:33
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D-Iivil_Work	frals, welho to be more specific.	11:33
frals	D-Iivil_Work: is it any good? do they throttle traffic or any stuff like that?	11:34
D-Iivil_Work	frals, so far has been what I've expected :)	11:34
frals	i was looking at them but it said something about no servers at all allowed in their ToS so i dunno	11:34
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D-Iivil_Work	frals, actually its 110/5, not 110/10 like I said.	11:35
D-Iivil_Work	frals, I've ran my server for three months and no complains so far. Allthough I've used it only for my own purposes, it's not "public".	11:35
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frals	alright, might take a closer look at them again	11:36
frals	only problem is that as soon as you try to order on their site it always changes the language to finnish :/	11:36
D-Iivil_Work	frals, actually few years back there was "law suit" going on where they said that ISP cannot tell you not to run your server. Court said that it's "normal" use and customer is allowed to do that.	11:37
D-Iivil_Work	frals, google translator is your friend :)	11:37
sulx	hard do define a server	11:37
D-Iivil_Work	sulx, yeah.	11:37
sulx	what if you play online game that uses p2p	11:38
sulx	then it serves something	11:38
sulx	thus being server	11:38
frals	D-Iivil_Work: yeah, but https > translate.google.com so have to copy paste or find some firefox addon to inline translate :p	11:38
frals	D-Iivil_Work: btw, whats the termination time etc? ie how soon can i terminate it if im unhappy	11:39
frals	:P	11:39
D-Iivil_Work	frals, dunno really :D	11:39
sulx	month maybe	11:39
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kerio	mece: no, flash game	11:41
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mece	kerio, noticed. did you try flashvertweak?	11:47
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style	Any ideas why n900 doesn't send callers number to computer via bluetooth (CallerID)? computer recieves signal that phone is ringing, but it doen't get number	11:56
timeless	style: probably wasn't implemented	11:57
timeless	the underlying code is BlueZ	11:57
timeless	is it implemented there?	11:57
style	dunno	11:57
timeless	if so, it's probably a failing of the UI designer to recognize that it should be required	11:57
timeless	if it isn't, then someone would have to add it to bluez first	11:58
timeless	feel free to find/file a bug in bugs.maemo.org	11:58
style	:/	11:58
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timeless	would you prefer to feel restricted/prohibited/banned from doing so?	11:59
crashanddie	who need to be banned?	11:59
crashanddie	needs**	11:59
style	timeless: wtf	12:00
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Termana	crashanddie, Private I, on the case, with banhammer in hand	12:03
Termana	You see an empty room with a door to the right	12:04
Termana	You can: look, e	12:04
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crashanddie	e	12:04
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crashanddie	LAGGGG	12:05
Termana	You go through the door, and find people that are quite disturbed and look like they are from a forum of some kind	12:05
Termana	You can: throw style in there, w	12:06
crashanddie	other options?	12:06
Termana	Other options: stop complaining about lag	12:06
crashanddie	which shortcut is that?	12:06
Termana	I don't understand "which shortcut is that?", please use help if you need help	12:07
crashanddie	w	12:07
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Termana	You go through the door into the empty room	12:07
Termana	You can: look, e	12:07
Termana	A goblin appears and says "you can also quit the game!"	12:08
Termana	The goblin hops away	12:08
crashanddie	q	12:09
Termana	Good bye	12:09
* Termana sets mode +o Termana		12:09
Termana	:P	12:10
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Termana	I don't wield the power of the chanop unfortunately.	12:10
Termana	And I'm not so good at convincing bots that I do either :P	12:10
Termana	crashanddie, so, your new job, what is it?	12:12
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crashanddie	c++ dev, starting monday	12:12
toggles_w	?	12:12
Termana	ah not too bad I guess, as long as you don't go mad programming C++. Congratulations :)	12:13
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crashanddie	Termana: well, it's only one side. The long-term goals are to open source the project and then build a consultancy part to the company	12:22
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crashanddie	Termana: and considering my open source background and consultancy background, I'll be quite involved in that too	12:23
TiagoTiago	Why we are not allowed to use logwith more than one Skype account at once?	12:23
crashanddie	TiagoTiago: because even the desktop client doesn't allow it?	12:24
crashanddie	TiagoTiago: it's part of the Skype ToS, nothing to do with Maemo in particular	12:24
TiagoTiago	Oh, i see, it is just one client	12:24
TiagoTiago	really?	12:24
jacekowski	yes, really	12:24
crashanddie	TiagoTiago: well, you can have multiple computers logged in to the same account at once	12:25
TiagoTiago	do you got a link to that handy?	12:25
crashanddie	but not one computer to multiple accounts	12:25
jacekowski	yeah, skype ToS	12:25
jacekowski	lmgtfy.com/?q=skype+tos	12:25
TiagoTiago	the TOS saying you can't login¨to two accounts int he same machine at once	12:25
TiagoTiago	thanx, 'ill go read	12:25
TiagoTiago	oh, it's that site :/	12:26
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xnt14	morning #maemo	12:46
ham5	g'day xnt14	12:48
xnt14	ham5: its morning here :P	12:49
xnt14	Fri Aug 6 05:49:17 EDT 2010	12:49
psycho_oreos	its evening here	12:49
psycho_oreos	19:49:26	12:49
ham5	lets talk time	12:49
ham5	shall we	12:49
Weiss	international IRC rules state that it's always "morning" when someone joins (and always evening when someone leaves)	12:49
psycho_oreos	tick tock tick tock	12:49
ham5	irc rules dont pm me unless I ok it!!	12:50
ham5	irc rules pffff	12:50
xnt14	Weiss: have you ever read eastern standard tribe by cory doctorow?	12:50
Weiss	hehe, should I?	12:50
crashanddie	Weiss++	12:50
xnt14	Weiss: yes, definately	12:50
xnt14	http://craphound.com/est/	12:50
crashanddie	xnt14: "definitely"	12:52
xnt14	and its completely cc licensed	12:52
timeless	crashanddie++	12:52
timeless	xnt: it's	12:52
xnt14	crashanddie: I had practically no sleep last night, spent the entire night reading books	12:53
crashanddie	xnt14: I'm just trying to help :) It's the most misspelt word in English, so...	12:54
timeless	crashanddie: before "it's"? :)	12:54
crashanddie	yup	12:54
crashanddie	well, "it's an its" is more a grammar mistake than a spelling mistake	12:55
* MohammadAG51 sends timeless and crashanddie to ##english		12:55
xnt14	crashanddie: lol, ok	12:55
xnt14	MohammadAG51: good morning btw :P	12:55
MohammadAG51	nothing's good about it	12:55
xnt14	MohammadAG51: random question: how do you say "good morning" in arabic?	12:56
crashanddie	xnt14: salam 'haleyk'um	12:56
MohammadAG51	lol no	12:56
crashanddie	well, yeah	12:56
xnt14	crashanddie: thats a horrible romanization :P	12:56
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crashanddie	depends where I guess	12:56
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crashanddie	xnt14: really depends on the language, that's the dutch romanisation, french romanisation is "salamalëikoum"	12:57
xnt14	usalamalaiykam - good point though	12:57
xnt14	(thats sorta how its romanized in pakistan)	12:57
MohammadAG51	that's not good morning anyways	12:57
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crashanddie	or sabah el kheir, or marhaba	12:58
xnt14	MohammadAG51: true, thats just hello	12:58
MohammadAG51	marhaba is hello	12:58
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crashanddie	yeah, I don't know the proper translations	12:58
crashanddie	just used them when I met people	12:58
MohammadAG51	lol	12:58
xnt14	crashanddie: where did you learn arabic :P	12:58
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MohammadAG51	xnt14, 4chan	12:58
crashanddie	traveling	12:59
xnt14	do you by any chance know urdu or hindi?	12:59
xnt14	MohammadAG51: lol	12:59
crashanddie	xnt14: yeah, I worked with a guy who spoke urdu, and my girlfriend speaks tamoul	12:59
xnt14	crashanddie: kya hal ha? (can you translate that?)	12:59
crashanddie	xnt14: i'm good, thanks	12:59
crashanddie	and in hurdu, the reply was... men tik hunk	13:00
crashanddie	or something	13:00
xnt14	lol,	13:00
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MohammadAG51	now say it in C++	13:00
* MohammadAG51 gets some popcorn		13:00
xnt14	ma theek ho	13:00
crashanddie	cout << "men tik hunk";	13:00
MohammadAG51	you didn't specifiy namespace	13:00
TermanaN900	fuckoff(MohammedAG51);	13:01
TermanaN900	some C for you	13:01
* xnt14 epically fails at romanization of urdu :P		13:01
TermanaN900	biatch	13:01
TermanaN900	:P	13:01
MohammadAG51	stfu(TermanaN900);	13:01
xnt14	TermanaN900: *MohammadAG	13:01
MohammadAG51	return 1;	13:01
xnt14	:P	13:01
crashanddie	xnt14: ah, not too far off	13:01
xnt14	crashanddie: what do you travel for? research, work, or fun?	13:02
MohammadAG51	crashanddie, you should use the namespace std you n00b!	13:02
MohammadAG51	(has anyone wondered why they called it std)	13:02
crashanddie	mazirat shata huun, kia aap ise dobara ke sakte heins	13:02
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crashanddie	does that make any sense at all?	13:03
xnt14	hmm	13:03
xnt14	well, the second part	13:03
crashanddie	I don't remember if I asked to speak slowly, or where the bathroom was	13:03
xnt14	what are you doing with it again?	13:03
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TermanaN900	MohammadAG51, std, for you know standard	13:04
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TermanaN900	STanDard	13:04
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TermanaN900	also you have sex with C++ and your diseased for life	13:04
crashanddie	lmao	13:04
crashanddie	< mandk> Enter text here...hi	13:05
crashanddie	< mandk> hello there.....lol	13:05
crashanddie	mandk> Enter text here...any amateur photographers out there	13:05
crashanddie	Someone didn't understand the point of "Enter text here..."	13:05
ham5	got pics of me and your mom	13:05
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crashanddie	ham5: you're this close \|<---->\| (actual size) from getting a time out.	13:06
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Jaffa	Morning	13:06
crashanddie	hey Jaffa	13:06
Robot101	moin	13:06
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crashanddie	xnt14: meri urdu karab hai	13:07
xnt14	Jaffa: Ohayou	13:07
xnt14	crashanddie: ok, koi problem nei hai, muje be nei pata ha koi lafuz	13:07
crashanddie	oh shit you lost me	13:07
xnt14	(lol, the last part was sorta fail)	13:07
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xnt14	"crashanddie: ok, there is no problem, I also don't know some words"	13:08
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xnt14	thats the literal translation	13:08
crashanddie	kk	13:08
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xnt14	Jaffa: thats good morning in japanese btw	13:08
crashanddie	xnt14: litterally pronounced "Oh hi you"?	13:09
crashanddie	in which case, japanese might be very easy to learn	13:09
xnt14	hmm, I guess so... but the rest of japanese isn't _that_ easy	13:09
crashanddie	:D	13:09
crashanddie	"Are you in pain?" == "Opainyou"	13:10
xnt14	Oyasumi Nasai! (Good Night)	13:10
xnt14	lol	13:10
crashanddie	"Are you hungry?" == "Ohyummyyummyyou"	13:10
lcuk	morning Robot101 seb,xnt etc \o	13:11
lcuk	\o jaffa	13:11
* xnt14 can imagine crashanddie going to japan and asking for directions in his faux japanese, and people mistaking it for "Rob Me!" :P		13:11
xnt14	lcuk: hmm, what happened to tab completion btw? not enough sleep?	13:11
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lcuk	you are actively talking	13:12
xnt14	perhaps because I'm drinking coffee :P	13:12
lcuk	Morning xnt14, fantastic day we are having today!	13:12
Robot101	uggh coffee... slumps	13:13
xnt14	(a 15 year old drinking coffee apparently surprises people... :P)	13:13
Robot101	got woken up with lawyers on the phone	13:13
TermanaN900	good morning lcuk	13:13
crashanddie	xnt14: you're 15?	13:14
xnt14	lcuk: Доброе утро	13:14
crashanddie	xnt14: then your nickname is a lie!	13:14
xnt14	crashanddie: yes :P	13:14
xnt14	crashanddie: well, I made it when I was 14, and then when I turned 15, I decided that it would be too much of a hassle to change it universally	13:14
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crashanddie	hehe, having to start over whoring for karma on maemo.org again :D	13:15
xnt14	so 14 = age I made the nick, hence xnt14	13:15
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crashanddie	xnt14: so you're in pakistan?	13:15
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mikki-kun	xnt14: how about 'xnt+1'? ^^	13:15
xnt14	crashanddie: no, new york atm, I went to pakistan a few months ago though	13:16
crashanddie	mikki-kun: + isn't allowed in nicknames	13:16
xnt14	mikki-kun: hmm, well still, I would have to change it on twitter, forum accounts, email etc...	13:16
mikki-kun	hm, meh...	13:16
xnt14	mikki-kun: are you really japanese, or do you just watch a lot of anime or something	13:17
xnt14	crashanddie: where are you atm anyways?	13:18
crashanddie	xnt14: france	13:18
xnt14	ah, k	13:18
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crashanddie	I love how people start backing away slowly as soon as I say that	13:19
xnt14	crashanddie: lol	13:19
xnt14	whats wrong with france?	13:19
mikki-kun	have been watching too much anime, but originally not my own creation... somebody called me like that and i kept it up	13:19
TermanaN900	we dont need to attack you	13:19
* nid0 whistles nonchalantly		13:19
TermanaN900	you surrender!	13:19
crashanddie	(whispering) "Don't make any sudden movement, he might spray you with olive oil, armpit hair and stinky cheese"	13:19
xnt14	mikki-kun: ah, ok lol	13:19
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crashanddie	TermanaN900: yeah, it's not like the dutch surrendered almost a year before the french did, eh?	13:20
TermanaN900	crashanddie, maybe but france is the only one famous for it :P	13:20
* xnt14 whispers across the room: "hil na nei, ya ma aap ko sedate kar do ga"		13:20
xnt14	:P	13:20
nid0	dutch war surrenders, 1. french war surrenders, ran out of fingers and toes :(	13:20
crashanddie	and since when are the prisoners allowed to go on the internet in Australia?	13:20
crashanddie	TermanaN900: has your family paid off its debt to England yet? :P	13:21
TermanaN900	heh	13:21
TermanaN900	crashanddie, Since we got internet filtering and the internet as australia knew it went	13:21
TermanaN900	oh wait... that hasnt happened yet	13:22
TermanaN900	:P	13:22
nid0	didnt they just decide finally that all the filtering firewall shit is in fact a dumb idea and are cancelling it all?	13:22
crashanddie	yeah, but your internet sucks anyhow	13:22
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crashanddie	very expensive, shit rates, bad response times to the rest of the world	13:22
crashanddie	though, internet in NZ is even worse	13:23
crashanddie	I remember going to Brisbane library on weekends because the network was a lot better than the hotel's	13:23
xnt14	crashanddie: what speed is your internet?	13:23
crashanddie	xnt14: 100/50	13:24
xnt14	20 Mbps down / 5Mbps Up here...	13:24
xnt14	o_0	13:24
xnt14	how much monthly?	13:24
crashanddie	30euros	13:24
xnt14	thats like $39.49/month	13:24
nid0	only on 9mbit down here :(	13:24
TermanaN900	im in a rural area in south australia	13:25
xnt14	I pay $30/month + phone ($40/month)	13:25
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TermanaN900	so i only have 3G, satelite or dial up	13:25
crashanddie	xnt14: phone is free, I can call nearly any country in the world for free	13:25
MiXu-	Woohoo! Sygic 10 submitted to Ovi Store \o/	13:25
MiXu-	Just got email from Sygic about it.	13:25
crashanddie	xnt14: and I get HDTV over IP for free as well	13:25
MiXu-	It's not available yet, but will be soon	13:26
xnt14	lol, you should see internet in pakistan, the only 3g is cdma pcmcia cards which are ridiculously overpriced, so I got an unlimited data plan (EDGE)	13:26
xnt14	crashanddie: hmm, wow... your isp is awesome :P	13:26
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xnt14	they nickel and dime us into oblivion here...	13:26
crashanddie	xnt14: the set-top-box has video input, so I can have my own tv channel if I want	13:27
TermanaN900	I get about 1 or 2 mb/s down	13:27
TermanaN900	and a limit of 8GB	13:27
crashanddie	I can send out live video, or pre-record it, and decide of a specific time to show it	13:27
jacekowski	crashanddie: whare are you?	13:27
TermanaN900	and i pay $60 (aud) a month	13:27
crashanddie	jacekowski: france	13:27
TermanaN900	complete rip off :P	13:27
xnt14	crashanddie: whats your isp's name?	13:27
crashanddie	xnt14: "Free"	13:27
crashanddie	xnt14: the modem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox	13:27
jacekowski	i pay around £100 for a server on gigabit link	13:27
crashanddie	the ISP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_(French_ISP)	13:28
xnt14	crashanddie: http://www.free.fr/adsl/index.html ?	13:28
crashanddie	yeah	13:28
xnt14	hmm	13:28
xnt14	ah	13:28
crashanddie	but I'm not in xDSL, I'm running fiber	13:28
jacekowski	that's just overselling	13:28
jacekowski	crashanddie: so you have real fiber going into back of your pc?	13:28
nid0	everywhere in the internet business oversells	13:28
crashanddie	jacekowski: not PC, modem	13:28
xnt14	you are so lucky :P, they don't have half as much openness on verizon	13:28
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xnt14	(I also have fiber, but crappier)	13:29
jacekowski	crashanddie: so you have normal fiber or coax going into back of your modem?	13:29
crashanddie	jacekowski: but yeah, I have real fiber going into my modem, not like Virgin in the UK who promises fiber, but really you get coax	13:29
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xnt14	crashanddie: hmm, 100/50 Megabit or Megebyte?	13:30
jacekowski	well, fttp is quite complicated	13:30
jacekowski	mostly because fiber is harder to handle	13:30
crashanddie	xnt14: Megabit	13:30
xnt14	crashanddie: ah, k	13:30
jacekowski	so it's simpler to add fiber to coax and do last mile in coax	13:30
jacekowski	much easier to handle by anybody	13:30
xnt14	crashanddie: O_O 12.5 MB/s	13:30
jacekowski	and docsis can do up to 300mbits	13:30
crashanddie	yeah, but I rarely get that	13:30
xnt14	so what do you normally get?	13:31
crashanddie	I'm in wifi, so max is realistically 5MB/s	13:31
crashanddie	and that's really in optimal conditions	13:31
crashanddie	I guess my average is about 3MB/s	13:31
crashanddie	maybe 2	13:31
jacekowski	crashanddie: hmm, try jacekowski.org/	13:31
jacekowski	jacekowski.org/big_file	13:32
xnt14	how about on a lan connection?	13:32
crashanddie	you made safari crash, lol	13:32
xnt14	crashanddie: mac? :P	13:33
xnt14	chromium is better than safari...	13:33
jacekowski	let me try something else	13:33
crashanddie	1.5MB/s	13:33
nid0	850KB/s on that file for me	13:33
mikki-kun	crashanddie: now your mac is jailbroken ^^	13:33
jacekowski	big_file.bin	13:34
jacekowski	that may work	13:34
xnt14	jacekowski: about 2MB/s	13:34
nid0	54,809,300 11.2M/s eta 1m 46s	13:34
crashanddie	yeah, 1.5MB/s using wget	13:34
nid0	rah	13:34
xnt14	ah, dammit, have to go - g2g, see you guys later	13:35
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crashanddie	though frankly, over 1MB/s the difference isn't massive	13:35
crashanddie	I mean, everything gets so short that you don't really notice anymore	13:35
crashanddie	downloading 2 or 3 MB files? Your computer usually isn't fast enough to really leverage it	13:36
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crashanddie	Downloading 600MB files? Well, it's only 10 minutes, so go grab a cup of coffee and you're done	13:36
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mikki-kun	ou man... i got 30KB/sec for that file :/	13:36
nid0	gutted	13:36
crashanddie	nid0: nice connection, sweden?	13:37
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nid0	nah that 11.2MB/s was one of work's servers :p	13:37
crashanddie	heh	13:37
jacekowski	nid0: from where?	13:37
nid0	i get 850KB/s from here	13:37
nid0	london centro	13:37
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crashanddie	probably the same datacentre :D	13:37
crashanddie	jacekowski: good server though	13:37
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jacekowski	cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust732.know.cable.virginmedia.com - that was quite fast	13:37
jacekowski	and somebody from .nl	13:37
jacekowski	ns204913.ovh.net => cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust732.know.cable.virginmedia.com 14.0Mb 9.69Mb 9.78Mb	13:38
jacekowski	ns204913.ovh.net => ip565706a4.direct-adsl.nl 5.34Mb 5.53Mb 5.32Mb	13:38
crashanddie	ovh is hosted in France, isn't it?	13:38
crashanddie	I mean, they only have a datacentre near paris	13:38
Davide	I just started having a problem, when my N900s screen goes blank, it does not come back when touching the screen, sliding the keyboard, or hitting the side switch...	13:38
jacekowski	crashanddie: they have couple datacentres	13:38
Davide	sometimes it comes back after several times of trying...	13:38
Davide	any idea what is going on?	13:38
crashanddie	jacekowski: last time I contacted (their UK branch) to rent a server, they said they only had french servers	13:39
jacekowski	yes, they are based in france	13:39
jacekowski	but have datacentres all over france	13:39
jacekowski	with direct peerings with all european networks	13:39
crashanddie	jacekowski: this was a in february or march, I wanted an escape route out of australia's firewall	13:39
jacekowski	hey have like 400Gbits just to linx	13:39
jacekowski	they*	13:39
crashanddie	yeah yeah, I have know loads of people at OVH, been working with 'em for years	13:39
crashanddie	good teams, good philosophy, good customer support	13:40
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crashanddie	they're not afraid to throw in a month for free or something when the servers go down	13:40
jacekowski	just cheap hardware	13:40
crashanddie	well, the prices aren't excessive, so no surprise there	13:40
crashanddie	plus their CDS is a good option	13:41
jacekowski	cds?	13:41
crashanddie	cheap dedicated server?	13:41
jacekowski	kimsufi you mean?	13:41
crashanddie	where you just have the CPU and RAM to yourself, disk access is on a shared NAS	13:41
jacekowski	it's called RPS	13:41
crashanddie	ah, RPS, that's the one	13:41
jacekowski	real private server	13:41
crashanddie	I had one for some time, works very well, as long as you're not disk-bound	13:42
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crashanddie	jacekowski: always buy on the French website, a lot cheaper	13:43
crashanddie	jacekowski: they just use the same price tags but change the currency	13:43
crashanddie	so back in the day, when GBP was strong against EUR, it made sense to buy from the french	13:43
jacekowski	http://weathermap.ovh.net/europe	13:43
Po0ky	still, shouldnt you pick a country that cares about your privacy?	13:43
Po0ky	:p	13:43
crashanddie	now I don't know if the price difference is massive	13:43
crashanddie	Po0ky: it doesn't really matter what country you choose, rather, the company's ethics	13:44
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lcuk	anyone in HEL at the moment and wants to go to this demo scene competition and see if anyone is hacking on N900s etc? http://www.assembly.org/summer10/ we need people there :p	13:59
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sx0n	is someone managed to get usbnet working between vbox and n900 ?	14:11
sx0n	my vbox doesn't see usb iface when i connect device	14:11
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frals	lcuk: bah, suppose to be great weather this weekend, no way im going there :p	14:16
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lcuk	frals, \@	14:18
lcuk	get your ass there and take some shots	14:18
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crashanddie	frals: we'll pay you	14:43
crashanddie	with loads of thanks and email-cards.	14:43
MohammadAG	the trouts are on me	14:44
crashanddie	and 2000 IRC-dollars	14:44
ieatlint	pay my way and i'll go	14:44
MohammadAG	crashanddie, hmm, I can haz those?	14:44
crashanddie	(IRC$100000 buys you a kick)	14:44
MohammadAG	yay	14:44
* MohammadAG wants IRC$100000		14:45
crashanddie	IRC$300000 buys you a 24h ban	14:45
crashanddie	IRC$2000000 buys you a lifetime ban	14:45
MohammadAG	IRC$1 buys you a crashanddie	14:45
crashanddie	no	14:45
crashanddie	that's without inflation	14:45
crashanddie	now I'm at 50®	14:45
crashanddie	err	14:45
crashanddie	50c	14:45
crashanddie	you could have 4000 me's!	14:46
crashanddie	on second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea	14:46
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crashanddie	damn, wolfman is a shit movie	14:49
th3hate_	jacekowski, have you made any progess with flash 10.1?	14:50
crashanddie	from candles that go out before you blow them out, and the light lingers like an overpowered lightbulb cooling down, to coach drivers with american accents, what were the assistant directors doing?	14:50
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lcuk	crashanddie, in movies, the speed of light is different. you noticing the lingering effect of blowing a candle out is merely one part	15:30
Jucato	anyone here know how to control the N900 system sound volume using Qt?	15:30
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MohammadAG	Red pill mode lives on!	16:03
MohammadAG	http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	16:04
drizztbsd	useless	16:04
MohammadAG	I know	16:07
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MohammadAG	actually, you can install ovi store apps w/o opening the shit store	16:08
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kerio	ovi .debs are just modified standard .debs, right?	16:10
FauxFaux	I'm not sure how that statement could be false.	16:10
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mirf	boobs	16:13
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kerio	boobs!	16:14
jacekowski	tits	16:14
kerio	tits!	16:15
straind	or gtfo?	16:15
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straind	So, does anybody have a Kismet package for the 770?	16:18
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crashanddie	lcuk: heh, so why is it inconsistent? Does the speed of light vary in movies? Sometimes the candle went out before, sometimes after he blew.	16:22
crashanddie	FauxFaux: interesting to have someone with your nickname commenting on the "true or false" nature of a something :P	16:22
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Termana	Android on a shanzhai N8 - http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/	16:27
SpeedEvil	Interesting - as long as they do the GPL thing.	16:28
kerio	SpeedEvil: heh, i'm sure correct licensing is their main concern	16:28
Termana	SpeedEvil, probably not. Not a lot of these type of companies do AFAIK	16:29
Termana	Plus, the probably wont allow you to load your own ROMs on it either	16:29
Termana	they*	16:29
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SpeedEvil	http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/05/1227240/EFF-Wins-GPL-Case-Against-Westinghouse?from=rss - re that.	16:33
SpeedEvil	:)	16:33
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GAN900	Talk is the best for logical fallacies and cognitive disconnects.	16:56
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SpeedEvil	GAN900: Eggplant! Velocipede!	16:57
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ptl	?	16:59
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DocScrutinizer	harald welte for master of (FOSS) universe	17:20
ptl	what did he do?	17:20
DocScrutinizer	~seen laf0rge	17:20
infobot	laf0rge <n=laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 275d 12h 58m 49s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'.	17:20
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ptl	laf0rge is harald welte?	17:21
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DocScrutinizer	yep	17:21
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DocScrutinizer	or should I say "was"?	17:21
ptl	long time gone	17:22
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DocScrutinizer	probably doesn't use IRC much since he got his own GSM network :-P	17:22
MohammadAG	lol?	17:22
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LjL	own GSM network?	17:25
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DocScrutinizer	http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ http://openbts.blogspot.com/2010/03/niue-11-dont-get-me-wrong.html http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/	17:34
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DocScrutinizer	http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/	17:35
DocScrutinizer	and of course the nice dude I shared the apartment with, in Taipei	17:38
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pigeon	does anyone know why if i run /usr/bin/nokia-maps on the command line the ui doesn't come up?	17:40
DocScrutinizer	are you sure it's supposed to have any GUI?	17:40
DocScrutinizer	I mean, maybe it's some 'helper' and you need to stat something slightly different	17:41
pigeon	i thought that is the ovi map?	17:41
alterego	pigeon: read the .deskto file ...	17:41
pigeon	i did	17:41
pigeon	/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html	17:41
pigeon	unless that isn't the ovi map gui	17:41
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flashn	ftp client	17:42
flashn	?	17:42
DocScrutinizer	for sure it is	17:42
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pigeon	/usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop	17:42
DocScrutinizer	pigeon: check user, check exact cmdline like in .desktop, check cwd	17:42
alterego	It's XUL	17:43
alterego	Well, the interface is html, css and javascript	17:43
Jucato	anyone here know how to control the N900 system sound volume using Qt? or is there some other place I could ask about Qt/Maemo questions?	17:43
alterego	It runs on the gecko engine	17:43
DocScrutinizer	OMFG	17:43
alterego	Jucato: dbus	17:43
timeless	?	17:44
pigeon	yeah... but then when i run it on a terminal, no ui comes up	17:44
timeless	nokia maps is not xul	17:44
X-Fade	Jucato: #qt-maemo	17:44
timeless	nokia maps is a webruntime plugin embedded into html hosted by gecko	17:44
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Jucato	alterego: hm ok.	17:44
timeless	more or less	17:44
timeless	maybe not actually webruntime	17:44
alterego	timeless: I know, it's html, I just accidentally said xul out of habit ...	17:44
Jucato	X-Fade: oooh thanks. hehe didn't know that existed :)	17:44
timeless	but basically it has its own rendering engine built into a plugin	17:44
timeless	alterego: 100 hail mery's?	17:45
pigeon	it also outputs things like depth: 16 Resize 80048016	17:45
pigeon	but also Plugin type: windowless	17:45
pigeon	which sounds suspicious	17:45
MohammadAG	X-Fade, can you forward a question to the SDK team?	17:45
DocScrutinizer	~trout alterego	17:45
* infobot slaps alterego around a bit with a large trout!		17:45
timeless	pigeon: anyway	17:45
X-Fade	MohammadAG: If I won't get slapped for asking a rude question, then yes ;)	17:46
timeless	the maps app is prestarted	17:46
timeless	so if you want maps to appear you shoudl speak to it using dbus or something	17:46
* MohammadAG slaps X-Fade		17:46
timeless	instead of trying to run it	17:46
kerio	ovi maps sucks ._.	17:46
luke-jr	timeless: what's annoying about Maps is that it replaces the WM UI	17:46
pigeon	hmm	17:46
timeless	luke-jr: that's the only thing that's annoying about maps?	17:46
timeless	wow	17:46
luke-jr	lol	17:46
timeless	you must not use it	17:46
luke-jr	also that it forgets addresses	17:46
MohammadAG	X-Fade, why isn't the perl-modules package optified	17:46
kerio	how's the Sygic one?	17:47
timeless	luke-jr: iirc it doesn't have addressbook integration	17:47
luke-jr	timeless: I don't use addressbook	17:47
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timeless	... i mean, if you want to start talking about glaring issues	17:47
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Probably because it is just an sdk package which got copied ;)	17:47
MohammadAG	ooh, makes sense :P	17:47
timeless	luke-jr: can you imagine someone w/ 1000 contacts wanting to use maps to figure out how to get from Contact1's address to Contact2's	17:47
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luke-jr	timeless: no	17:48
MohammadAG	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ <-- I'm never submitting a package to -testing	17:48
timeless	ye of little imagination	17:48
DocScrutinizer	not if the means to do that is ovi maps, at least :-P	17:48
timeless	heh	17:48
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timeless	actually google maps for s60 could do that iirc	17:49
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DocScrutinizer	I cursed missing "show in map" button next to contacts' address before	17:49
timeless	if you realized how painful using maps would be, you'd be thankful :)	17:50
timeless	but in principle, it should be there	17:50
DocScrutinizer	as I curse missing "take photo" option on selecting a contact'	17:50
DocScrutinizer	s avatar	17:50
timeless	heh	17:50
MohammadAG	<rant>	17:50
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timeless	yeah, workflow wasn't really considered	17:50
kerio	how's Mobile Maps?	17:50
DocScrutinizer	abysmally poor integration	17:50
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MohammadAG	it's not my damn fault if Nokia chose different keymaps for different devices	17:51
MohammadAG	it's not my fault if perl can't be optified	17:51
MohammadAG	it's not my fault the N900 has little games	17:51
* timeless think perl can be optifieid		17:51
timeless	kerio: maps.google.com/maps/m works nicely	17:51
kerio	MohammadAG: it has nethack and a physical keyboard	17:51
timeless	so does Maep	17:51
kerio	timeless: not that one	17:51
kerio	i was talking about the Sygic one	17:51
X-Fade	MohammadAG: I'll see about perl optification.	17:51
timeless	oh	17:51
MohammadAG	X-Fade, don't bother	17:51
kerio	commercial one, on ovi store	17:52
MohammadAG	X-Fade, perl-modules can be optified	17:52
MohammadAG	perl can't	17:52
timeless	i've only heard good things about it	17:52
midas_	sygic works fine here	17:52
timeless	i think it's probably worth the purchase	17:52
MohammadAG	well, frozen-bubble fails to load	17:52
MohammadAG	if perl is optified	17:52
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Yeah, will see.	17:52
MohammadAG	oh right	17:52
MohammadAG	</rant>	17:52
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DocScrutinizer	~rant MohammadAG	17:52
DocScrutinizer	o.O	17:53
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* MohammadAG is in a good mood to make an rm -rf package that gets activated when the package reaches extras		17:53
midas_	transmission is great	17:53
MohammadAG	I wonder if the QA team would be like d'oh	17:53
kerio	MohammadAG: lol	17:53
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: binary explosives. make TWO pkgs that anihilate the device when both are installed same time :-D	17:55
pigeon	hmm i don't see any pre-run ovi map related process	17:56
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pigeon	unless it is browser/browserd	17:56
kerio	it is	17:56
frals	MohammadAG: look at this way, if the testers hadnt told you about the lack of info wrt to quitting the app you would get a million email/PM per day asking you how to close the game...	17:56
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GAN900	This has to be the sixth or seventh time my IM contacts have been duped.	17:57
DocScrutinizer	~seen konttori	17:57
pigeon	fair enough	17:57
infobot	konttori <~konttori@Maemo/OS/konttori> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 19h 9m 36s ago, saying: 'DrGrov: did you have issues with it, or why did you ask?'.	17:57
MohammadAG	frals, hmm, good point, but I haven't checked my email since 08	17:57
timeless	docscrutinizer: yesterday after lunch in the lobby :)	17:57
BCMM	GAN900: is there a way to automatically fix that?	17:58
DocScrutinizer	timeless: please next time ask him about cell broadcast messages and cellmo	17:58
kerio	contact merger	17:58
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frals	DocScrutinizer: i think he walked past here an hour ago or so...	17:58
timeless	why him?	17:58
timeless	he doesn't deal w/ baseband or what not	17:58
DocScrutinizer	seems he's been the contact to GSM internals - at least for me	17:59
MohammadAG	kerio, contacts-merger*	17:59
kerio	i wasn't talking about the package name	17:59
kerio	:)	17:59
MohammadAG	kerio, I know, I felt like being a #maemo nazi	17:59
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MohammadAG	hmm, can't remember the answer, but can the N900 be cold flashed via USB?	18:02
MohammadAG	I know about --cold-flash	18:02
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SpeedEvil	Interesting - kindle wifi - 100 quid.	18:02
MiXu-	Can't remember for sure.	18:02
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MiXu-	MohammadAG: Why do you need to cold flash?	18:03
DocScrutinizer	uh	18:03
kerio	SpeedEvil: the kindle is good beause of the free data access	18:03
kerio	limited, but still	18:03
MohammadAG	MiXu-, well, I imagine I might mix up if and of when using dd on /dev/mtd*	18:03
SpeedEvil	kerio: 1.5* the price for 3g though.	18:03
kerio	SpeedEvil: yeah, but hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy	18:04
DocScrutinizer	still interesting box of components to revamp	18:04
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MiXu-	MohammadAG: I'm pretty sure cold flashing can be done also via usb	18:04
SpeedEvil	http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kindle-Wireless-Reader-Wifi-Graphite/dp/B002Y27P46/ref=amb_link_157546987_3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=157CYCW26RMNXDSEM2DG&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=211179027&pf_rd_i=468294	18:04
SpeedEvil	But can it run maemo? :)	18:05
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DocScrutinizer	kerio: Nah! The "DONT PANIC" bootscreen was on Freerunner first	18:05
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MiXu-	MohammadAG: At least the flasher "help" has this line: -S, --serial-port=ARG Serial port used for cold flashing or "usb"	18:05
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: does the freerunner have unlimited, free access to wikipedia?	18:05
DocScrutinizer	errr wut?	18:06
MohammadAG	hmm, k	18:06
SpeedEvil	Yes. (with a SD card)	18:06
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SpeedEvil	FR is unrelated to wikireader	18:06
SpeedEvil	wikireader is _not_ a generic computing platform	18:06
MohammadAG	umm	18:06
MohammadAG	why the hell does my N900 keep dropping calls	18:06
kerio	SpeedEvil: i was talking about the kindle	18:06
DocScrutinizer	yes, via web browser of your choice	18:06
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MiXu-	MohammadAG: One more indicator that it should work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=574566&postcount=18	18:08
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johnsq	Hi	18:09
DocScrutinizer	kerio: seriously, you lost me on the "access to wikipedia"	18:09
MohammadAG	Someone write /dev/zero onto all /dev/mtd* partitions and try to cold flash please :)	18:09
kerio	DocScrutinizer: the standard kindle has free access for life to the internets with his data connection	18:10
kerio	and a browser	18:10
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Mece	yo	18:10
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DocScrutinizer	kerio: then you bet it's not sold in Germany, and also won't work here	18:12
kerio	yeah :(	18:12
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DocScrutinizer	darn free dataplan for life - you'd pay more than the kindle costs even in first 12 months	18:13
SpeedEvil	yeah - the UK one was cheaper.	18:13
SpeedEvil	without wifi	18:13
SpeedEvil	and isn't too unreasonably priced at all.	18:13
SpeedEvil	100 quid - 150e or whatever - is quite good.	18:13
luke-jr	kerio: where's the contract?	18:14
luke-jr	if there's no contract, they don't have to provide it	18:14
luke-jr	I seem to recall them adding "terms" after the fact already	18:15
DocScrutinizer	nobody can sell a device with unlimited lifetime dataplan for 150 bucks, if such dataplan usually costs you at very least 10 bucks a month	18:15
luke-jr	how long until there's a minimum purchase or a monthly fee is incurred?	18:15
kerio	DocScrutinizer: well, the dataplan costs you 10 bucks a month	18:15
kerio	i bet it costs quite less to amazon	18:15
luke-jr	also, I doubt Kindle uses a SIM card ;)	18:16
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DocScrutinizer	why should it?	18:16
kerio	luke-jr: it does	18:16
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: because you're only allowed to use it for their store and such	18:16
kerio	you can't use it anywhere else though	18:16
SpeedEvil	Also webkit browser	18:16
kerio	also crappy webkit browser	18:17
DocScrutinizer	you think the carriers will say "duh you're Amazon - here, take it away for 1% of what it would get us with a usual dataplan"	18:17
SpeedEvil	ah - browsing only on wifi	18:17
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: bulk	18:17
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: no - however they may well be quite happy if amazon pays $x/GB	18:18
DocScrutinizer	hmm yes, like iPhone did, luke-jr :-D	18:18
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: which amazon slices off the price of the book	18:18
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: yep, adding the "amazon website only" bit to the equation makes it a whole new story	18:19
SpeedEvil	Especially as they can push recurring subscription downloads onto off-peak hours.	18:19
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crashanddie	'sup	18:24
SpeedEvil	:)	18:24
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kerio	crashanddie: hmm... the roof?	18:25
crashanddie	,dns	18:25
DocScrutinizer	nice one	18:26
crashanddie	but I failed :(	18:26
crashanddie	it's dns,	18:26
kerio	no it's not	18:26
kerio	, != reversed '	18:26
crashanddie	well	18:26
crashanddie	close enough	18:26
crashanddie	sup	18:26
crashanddie	dns	18:26
crashanddie	there :P	18:26
kerio	ǝıppuɐɥsɐɹɔ ıɥ	18:26
kerio	dnssɐʍ	18:26
Mece	hmpf I was kinda hoping QGLWidget viewport would look the same as QWidget viewport. that was not the case :/	18:26
Mece	kerio, cool :)	18:27
DocScrutinizer	kerio: WHICH codepage is that?	18:27
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: codepage?	18:29
kerio	the 80s called, they want their monochrome terminal back	18:29
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kerio	UNICODE BITCHES	18:30
D-Iivil	_o/	18:30
kerio	also http://www.fliptext.org/	18:30
* D-Iivil wonders how difficult it can be to set up decent server for providing software updates so that people actually CAN download something...		18:31
crashanddie	kerio: you do realise that he doens't need unicode to kick you :P	18:31
crashanddie	D-Iivil: how so?	18:31
kerio	aw, /nick oıɹǝʞ doesn't work	18:31
kerio	stupid freenode ._.	18:31
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D-Iivil	crashanddie, well... I've been trying to download the goddamn sygic update like fifteen times...	18:32
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kerio	did you guys know there's a unicode character for log and ln?	18:32
kerio	a single character	18:32
D-Iivil	But their 486SX with 56kb modem connection keeps dropping off constantly...	18:33
SpeedEvil	Is there a unicode char for sarcasm?	18:33
FIQ	There is, for irony	18:33
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SpeedEvil	Is it an anvil?	18:33
kerio	SpeedEvil: ...	18:33
kerio	oh!	18:33
kerio	i see what you did there	18:34
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: some people want to use ~ as an indicator for sarcasm	18:34
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: at the end of the line	18:34
kerio	my home is sarcastic!	18:34
crashanddie	kerio: are you trying to unlock an achievement by unleashing all of the /. memes in one day?	18:34
DocScrutinizer	sɥıt, ı ʍɐut tɥɐt ɔopǝdɐgǝ	18:35
kerio	lol DocScrutinizer	18:35
kerio	there are no codepages anymore	18:35
SpeedEvil	Sort-of-on-this topic.	18:35
FIQ	utf-8 chars :(	18:35
kerio	I AM UNICODE OF BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED	18:35
SpeedEvil	I just realised that xrandr supports transformations.	18:36
SpeedEvil	Which can do rotations.	18:36
SpeedEvil	Which is handy for me, as I want to use my laptop screen at 30 degrees off.	18:36
DocScrutinizer	whatever you call it, I can't insert upsidedown text from the specialchar selection tool	18:36
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SpeedEvil	I now need to just work out how to do that.	18:36
kerio	DocScrutinizer: look harder	18:37
kerio	or just use that webpage :)	18:37
DocScrutinizer	ᚙ	18:37
crashanddie	unicode for upside-down characters is stupid	18:38
crashanddie	it would've been a lot smarter to just include an extra byte that indicates the mount of rotation	18:38
FIQ	Yeah, like reverse	18:38
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: Don't forget x,y rotation too, for holographic displays.	18:38
crashanddie	SpeedEvil: aye	18:39
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crashanddie	maybe utf-16 will come in handy one day after all	18:39
SpeedEvil	oops - xyz	18:39
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mgedmin	nah, utf-16 is just stupid	18:48
mgedmin	combines the worst properties of utf-8 with the worst properties of utf-32	18:48
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jacekowski	have you heard about nokia symbian phone sales?	18:54
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: lol fence	18:54
jacekowski	27 millions every quarter	18:54
jacekowski	that's more than ishit	18:54
jacekowski	and they sell more symbian phones every day than n900 in total	18:55
kerio	jacekowski: why are you comparing the n900 to a phone?	18:55
kerio	:\|	18:55
jacekowski	it's a phone with tablet features	18:55
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GAN900	Reverse	18:56
kerio	it's a tablet with a data connection that's also kludged into making calls	18:56
GAN900	It's a mobile computer with phone features.	18:56
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DocScrutinizer	still whenever opportune the reasoning for all crap "optimizations" is "it's a phone!"	18:57
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RST38h	moo again	19:04
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Venemo	jacekowski: yep, no surprise	19:05
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Venemo	jacekowski: the N900 is intended for a small target audience	19:05
GAN900	It's a dead platform from a sucky company is what it really is.	19:05
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kerio	GAN900: troll harder	19:06
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kerio	i can't hear you	19:06
RST38h	GAN: To get a proper response nowadays, you have to go with a personal attack	19:07
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* VDVsx sends a iphone 4 to GAN900		19:07
RST38h	Where have you got it? Have you been infected?	19:08
luke-jr	Quim Gil is a failure!	19:08
luke-jr	RST38h: good enough?	19:08
luke-jr	:p	19:08
RST38h	Naah	19:08
VDVsx	RST38h, I think was released here yesterday, by the queues in front of the stores :D	19:09
mikki-kun	what is Quim Gil? Ö.ö only Gil sounds familiar, but i doubt it has to do with Final Fantasy ^^	19:09
RST38h	animal species and sexual organs do it the best	19:09
Venemo	GAN900: if this is your opinion, why are you around here,	19:09
RST38h	VDVsx: omg	19:09
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luke-jr	Quim Gil has no balls!	19:11
luke-jr	RST38h: ?	19:11
RST38h	yea	19:11
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GAN900	Venemo, because I'm a sucker?	19:12
GAN900	and where else would I go?	19:12
RST38h	GAN: android?	19:12
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RST38h	win7?	19:12
* RST38h hides now		19:13
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Venemo	GAN900: don't worry, MeeGo is coming :)	19:14
* luke-jr coughs		19:14
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RST38h	This MeeGo: http://www.hamsterizer.com/Art/images/Items/MiGo01b.jpg ?	19:15
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GAN900	Venemo, which doesn't leave me feeling at all encouraged.	19:21
* GAN900 stabs RST38h.		19:21
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Venemo	GAN900: well, MeeGo is no longer backed by only Nokia	19:21
* RST38h leaks greenish blood all over the channel		19:22
Venemo	GAN900: so, if Nokia makes crap MeeGo devices, we can still use stuff from other vendors	19:22
toggles_w	asl long as you want to reverse engineer bme, the modem,...	19:22
GAN900	Yeah, it's not just Nokia.	19:23
Venemo	~burn GAN900	19:23
* infobot pours gasoline all over GAN900, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze		19:23
luke-jr	toggles_w: as if we didn't have to with Nokia?	19:23
GAN900	I'm not encouraged by the platform itself.	19:24
GAN900	Intel's got a list of issues as long as Nokia.	19:24
luke-jr	Gentoo + mdecorator? :D	19:24
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RST38h	LiMo is also driven by multiple companies	19:25
RST38h	Have you heard of LiMo lately? :)	19:25
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luke-jr	lol	19:26
D-Iivil	Does someone knows somebody from AlQaida	19:26
luke-jr	what OS doesn't have a long list of issues?	19:27
D-Iivil	or from some other terrorist group?	19:27
luke-jr	D-Iivil: yes, I'm sure they all know each other	19:27
D-Iivil	I need some assistance on blowing up Sygic's headquarter.	19:27
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jacekowski	D-Iivil: what happened?	19:27
DocScrutinizer	duh, didn't realize it's a rainy Friday afternoon everywhere else in the world as well	19:27
luke-jr	someone trace dyn-xdsl-83-150-112-159.nebulazone.fi ?	19:27
DocScrutinizer	otherwise dunno where from this dark mood trolling is today	19:28
jacekowski	luke-jr: http://pastebin.com/HnMVU9VG	19:28
D-Iivil	jacekowski, after trying to download the mm10 update unsuccessfully from their ice-age servers I'm getting now error that I've reached my download limit...	19:28
jacekowski	download it from torrent	19:28
DocScrutinizer	lol	19:28
D-Iivil	jacekowski, didn't find it...	19:29
jacekowski	and it's called stone age	19:29
D-Iivil	jacekowski, there was ice age also :P	19:29
jacekowski	yeah but it's not used in that context	19:29
jacekowski	it's stone age that's used in that context	19:29
jacekowski	there were multiple ice ages	19:30
D-Iivil	jacekowski, yeah, I know. Sorry about that.	19:30
jacekowski	don't argue with me	19:30
jacekowski	last person that was arguing with me was found dead	19:30
D-Iivil	jacekowski, no I won't. Just need some dynamite. Or Chuck Norris.	19:30
jacekowski	chuck norris was arguing with me as well	19:31
kerio	jacekowski: was he that bored?	19:31
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jacekowski	and he was found dead as well	19:31
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jacekowski	so that leaves you dynamite only	19:31
jacekowski	i know some place where i suppose with bit of cash you could buy some explosives	19:31
kerio	jacekowski: you're lying	19:31
D-Iivil	jacekowski, if you're more powerfull, then please go and roundhouse kick the Sygic folks tiny asses.	19:32
jacekowski	but i never tried that	19:32
kerio	next time you'll say that you argued with Candlejack and he was fou	19:32
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jacekowski	but i know what sort of people work there so i doubt they would have any problems selling explosives to anybody	19:33
RST38h	Doc: Dunno about rainy afternoons, here is it another showing of The Mist.	19:34
DocScrutinizer	Czech Semtex? coool	19:34
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jacekowski	kerio: do you have proof that candlejack is still alive?	19:34
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D-Iivil	jacekowski, cool. Will thet accept paypal and can they deliver the package with timer to specific address?	19:34
RST38h	jacekowski: get employed there, then lose all their laptops to burglars	19:34
D-Iivil	thet -> they	19:34
jacekowski	no	19:34
jacekowski	it's just quarry nearby that we were selling some stuff to	19:35
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: didn't I tell you to extinguish that cigarette?	19:35
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RST38h	Doc: which one? the one at the horizon? that was a tv tower.	19:36
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I didn't say you should throw it into the moor	19:36
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: s/was/had been/	19:37
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DocScrutinizer	nah, actually I heard yesterday "weather" was fine over there where you live	19:37
RST38h	depends on what you compare it with	19:38
RST38h	I guess Hiroshima has been a bit worse off on this day in 1945	19:39
DocScrutinizer	yup	19:39
DocScrutinizer	marginally	19:39
DocScrutinizer	the TV reports of Moscow suburbs really look like Hiroshima	19:40
RST38h	Doc: http://seg-o.livejournal.com/167258.html	19:41
RST38h	and http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/2349388.html?#cutid1	19:42
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DocScrutinizer	:-S	19:45
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RST38h	They have been handing out respirators at the Intel frontdesk today	19:47
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DocScrutinizer	visit Bavaria, since 6 days we got absolute non-smokers regulations. No smoke anywhere	19:47
\|R	anywhere but home?	19:47
RST38h	No revolts so far?	19:47
DocScrutinizer	fsckng idiots - 55% of 32% voted pro	19:48
DocScrutinizer	or somesuch	19:48
RST38h	hehe	19:48
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* RST38h would vote pro		19:48
RST38h	1. I hate cigarette smoke and 2. I hate people	19:49
\|R	DocScrutinizer: so it's only legal at home now?	19:49
DocScrutinizer	they think they got a RIGHT to visit bars/pubs without anybody smoking. Not even the owner may...	19:49
DocScrutinizer	\|R: actually on the street it's mostly legal as well	19:50
DocScrutinizer	at home it might be illegal though, if you got kids	19:50
\|R	DocScrutinizer: ok, is there a distance from buildings? public parks?	19:50
DocScrutinizer	from parks for sure - we don't want to end like Moscow	19:51
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\|R	here it's 9 meters from public buildings and illegal in any commercial space. But not at home, cars (yet, but maybe soon when kids are inside), ...	19:52
DocScrutinizer	so if some cop points at a tree or lawn and declares "no smoking" there's pretty much nothing you can say against it	19:52
\|R	it's still legal on restaurant's terrace	19:52
RST38h	Doc: This shit has nothing to do with smokers, to be fair	19:52
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: yep, I know	19:53
RST38h	Doc: Peat bogs have been dried since the 30s, when they were going to mine peat	19:53
RST38h	Doc: And they are said to be burning permanently, deep inside.	19:53
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jacekowski	smoking should be completly banned	19:54
jacekowski	well, maybe in special designated smoking areas	19:54
DocScrutinizer	some Russian greenpeace or somesuch dude made a point about it's getting nasty when the Tchernobyl contaminated peats start burning. All the ticking pollution goes back up into the air	19:55
\|R	I'd be nice if more drugs were legalized but forbidden everywhere except home and maybe very special locations	19:56
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RST38h	Doc: Yea, nice plan	19:56
RST38h	Doc: Probably won't make much of a difference though, but sounds scary enough in the papers	19:56
jacekowski	\|R: sort of, if it would be legal from age of 18 or something like that	19:57
jacekowski	\|R: and controlled that it would be really hard to get if you are under that age	19:57
\|R	yep	19:58
jacekowski	and reasonably high tax	19:58
\|R	that too	19:58
kerio	\|R: you mean like alcohol?	19:58
kerio	and nicotine?	19:59
kerio	and caffeine?	19:59
jacekowski	so everybody else wouldn't have to pay for treating addicts	19:59
kerio	i agree with that	19:59
\|R	among others yes	19:59
jacekowski	i'll be back later	19:59
DocScrutinizer	and jogging, freeclimbing, TV...	19:59
\|R	hehe	20:00
kerio	DocScrutinizer: well, sports make the brain release endorphines	20:00
kerio	omg best drug ever	20:00
kerio	artificial endorphines	20:00
kerio	i'll be rich	20:00
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\|R	that and dopamine	20:01
DocScrutinizer	TV makes body release stupidol	20:01
\|R	and serotonine	20:01
\|R	and other -ine	20:01
* DocScrutinizer wanders over to TV...		20:01
RST38h	yea	20:02
RST38h	and attach 'em to beds	20:02
RST38h	feed intravenously, remove waste with a catheter	20:02
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: don't do it	20:07
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nox-	moin	20:34
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tobis87	HI! Does someone know, why fcam changes sched_rt_runtime_us? Inside fcam.conf: "echo "-1" > /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_runtime_us"	20:37
nox-	is it true that fbreader has no keyboard control on n900?	20:38
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tobis87	I need to know this, since I compiled the fcam modules myself and I'm not sure if it's save to just replace the original modules, without this cmd.	20:40
crashanddie	I think my lucky star is about to blow up	20:41
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crashanddie	I just found 5800 GBP on one of my accounts	20:42
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GAN900	How many damn accounts do you having lying around?	20:46
crashanddie	well	20:46
tobis87	Documentation/scheduler/sched-rt-group.txt: "very small values in sched_rt_runtime_us can result in an unstable system when the runtime is so small the system has difficulty making forward progress", well "-1" seems to be very small to me. Why is this value needed for the fcam modules?	20:46
crashanddie	this is a retirement plan	20:46
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crashanddie	so I was just blindly putting money into it, every month (my ex-employer took care of that, so I never noticed)	20:47
crashanddie	I just found this piece of paper, with the reference, looked it up online, created an account, and I've got a few grand sitting idly	20:47
GAN900	Weee	20:48
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nox-	thats cool	20:49
crashanddie	well, that's my funding for the new motorbike :D	20:50
crashanddie	GAN900: or a 5dmk2?	20:51
GAN900	Reinvest it. :P	20:51
crashanddie	well, I need to pay the old bike	20:51
crashanddie	so that's about 3000 euros gone	20:51
crashanddie	which leaves about 2500	20:51
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GAN900	Reinvest it.	20:52
crashanddie	will do	20:53
GAN900	In a motorbike? :P	20:53
crashanddie	nha	20:54
crashanddie	a kona kula 2-9-er	20:54
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zacattack__	any os2007 folks still lurking around	21:19
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luke-jr	zacattack__: OS2007 is 3 years obsolete	21:21
zacattack__	yeah	21:21
zacattack__	have an n770	21:22
zacattack__	anyways	21:22
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zacattack__	just going through this bug here :) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 just found the bug, so will go through and read further - if i can't solve through that will chime back in	21:22
povbot	Bug 9905: Internal error. Application 'Web' closed.	21:22
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luke-jr	zacattack__: nobody maintains OS2007	21:23
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zacattack__	yeah	21:23
zacattack__	so there's nothing i can do really except a reflash eh	21:23
T-Co	I installed qtirreco for my N900 and recorded a remote with ubuntu transferred the config file to the phone and loaded a key, but it doesn't seem to send any signals. Does someone know how I could debug this?	21:23
kke	can i set global SOCKS proxy from command line? (so when i'm on irssi i could tunnel pidgin etc through the ssh)	21:23
luke-jr	zacattack__: 770 wasn't really even useful the day it was released IMO	21:23
zacattack__	unless anyone knows what path the temp files or apps are in that i can clear	21:23
zacattack__	yeah, IMO, it is still very limited	21:23
zacattack__	and slow	21:23
luke-jr	zacattack__: I got my C760 with better specs years before 770 was released	21:24
luke-jr	kke: not easily.	21:24
zacattack__	nice	21:24
zacattack__	still looking for an N800 or n810, will probably buy one soon	21:24
luke-jr	kke: I have my N900 setup to SOCKS all port 80/443 access when GPRS is active.	21:24
luke-jr	zacattack__: those aren't maintained either	21:24
kke	pidgin has "use environmental settings", i guess that's some _PROXY env variable	21:24
zacattack__	oh :(	21:24
luke-jr	zacattack__: N900 almost isn't maintained either, probably	21:25
zacattack__	does anyone know in general where the maemo temp files or .sockets are	21:25
luke-jr	/tmp?	21:25
zacattack__	i looked in /tmp	21:25
luke-jr	with ls -A ?	21:25
zacattack__	didn't see anything that looked like it would be a socket for the web browser	21:25
zacattack__	hmm	21:25
zacattack__	ll	21:25
kke	luke-jr: unencrypted gprs is fine with me but unencrypted open wifi is bad	21:25
zacattack__	let me a	21:25
luke-jr	kke: T-Mobile blocks port 80/443 ;)	21:25
kke	ah ok	21:25
luke-jr	kke: it would be trivial to make it everything	21:26
kke	hmm what is t-mobile good for then?	21:26
luke-jr	zacattack__: why would a web browser have a socket?	21:26
kke	or is there a forced proxy?	21:26
zacattack__	not sure, if there was some kind of lock file	21:26
luke-jr	kke: it's only for their Hiptop devices, and you're supposed to use some lame modifying proxy	21:27
zacattack__	that would prevent the app web from opening	21:27
zacattack__	i suppose i can try uninstalling microb	21:27
luke-jr	a lock file isn't a socket	21:27
luke-jr	and it'd be under /var/run	21:27
zacattack__	ah that's where it is	21:28
zacattack__	was poking in var	21:28
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crashanddie	zacattack__: there is no such thing as an n770	21:36
zacattack__	i figured it out	21:36
zacattack__	deleted download.dat in /home/user/opera/	21:36
luke-jr	crashanddie: Linux begs to differ	21:36
zacattack__	web loads fine	21:36
crashanddie	luke-jr: sorry?	21:36
luke-jr	crashanddie: all the drivers for Linux are for "n770"	21:36
crashanddie	well, they're wrong	21:37
crashanddie	the device's name is "770"	21:37
zacattack__	aah right	21:37
crashanddie	there is no n	21:37
zacattack__	right it's just an abbreviation that people used	21:37
zacattack__	to refer to it instead of calling it the Nokia 770	21:37
crashanddie	erhm, no	21:37
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crashanddie	it's a misnomer	21:37
johnsq	Hi	21:37
crashanddie	the n800 or n810 do have a N in their name	21:37
zacattack__	yeah pretty much	21:37
crashanddie	the 770 doesn't	21:38
luke-jr	meh	21:38
luke-jr	I still liked C760 better	21:38
luke-jr	:P	21:38
crashanddie	anyway, going to water the gardens	21:38
crashanddie	'later	21:38
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kenya888	Hi! all:-) Does anyone know Fremantle extras-devel repository status? I succeeded my pkg on autobuilder about seven hours ago, but extras-devel repository hasn't been updated yet:-(	21:52
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zacattack__	i updated the bug with the workaround	21:57
zacattack__	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9905	21:58
povbot	Bug 9905: Internal error. Application 'Web' closed.	21:58
zacattack__	works for me :)	21:58
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lcuk	zacattack__, how are you finding your device?	22:06
zacattack__	oh, it's working ok	22:06
lcuk	pleasd you worked round the issue and made a note of it	22:06
zacattack__	i mean, it's slow and i would like to upgrade	22:07
* lcuk likes using n810		22:07
zacattack__	but i hate to throw out a working usable device	22:07
zacattack__	maybe i will sell it on craigslist for cheap	22:07
zacattack__	after getting an 810	22:07
lcuk	zacattack__, if you install os2008 (diablo/chinook) you get a system overclock	22:07
zacattack__	it's really my "ipad nano"	22:07
lcuk	max speed ups from 340mhz on the n800 to 400mhz	22:07
zacattack__	I actually can't remember if i'm running os2k7 HE or 2008 chinook	22:08
lcuk	its not much, but enough of a noticable difference that n800 users smiled when they found out	22:08
lcuk	so is it an n800 you have or a 770?	22:08
zacattack__	i've flashed to at least 4 different releases	22:08
zacattack__	it's a 770	22:08
lcuk	ahh then the overclock I just mentioned is useless	22:08
lcuk	yeah, the 770 is really a case of finding most stable for your use but it wont ever be fully updated	22:09
lcuk	Stskeeps, meego on 770? :p	22:09
Stskeeps	no	22:09
Stskeeps	not going there	22:09
lcuk	heh	22:09
Stskeeps	:P	22:09
zacattack__	right now searching online for the vpnc packages	22:09
zacattack__	for hybrid auth with SSL cert	22:10
zacattack__	i think that requires 0.50 or higher version of vpnc	22:10
Arkenoi	2007he seems to have best usability/stability balance on 770	22:11
Arkenoi	no flash, though	22:11
luke-jr	install Gentoo!	22:12
* luke-jr runs. fast.		22:12
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zacattack__	what's the best way to verify what version you are running	22:13
luke-jr	uname -a	22:14
zacattack__	uname says linux nokia-770-36 2.6.16.27-omap1	22:14
zacattack__	tue sep 19 16:46:58 EEST 2006	22:14
zacattack__	so that's likely gregale i would assume	22:14
zacattack__	is that correct	22:15
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Mece	evenin	22:17
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Venemo	hi	22:21
Mece	I'm having some strange bugs with a QGraphicsView when it uses a gl viewport..	22:24
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Mece	works like a charm when not using ogl acceleration..	22:25
Mece	not sure if the problem is qt or pyqt or my code.. sometimes it looks as it should but mostly its got big prolblems..	22:26
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Mece	what's this?	22:31
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Mece	people have better things to do than help me with my qt issues ona friday night? who knew?	22:36
luke-jr	#Qt is for Qt	22:37
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Mece	luke-jr, good point, thanks.	22:37
lcuk	Mece, if you are explaining graphical glitches, best to include pics	22:38
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Mece	lcuk, yep.	22:45
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Venemo	Mece: what sort of issue is that?	22:51
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Mece	crashanddie, lol	22:52
kerio	my n900 doesn't vibrate	22:52
kerio	wat do	22:52
Mece	ooo pretty sunset.	22:53
kerio	i get a high-pitched noise	22:53
* Mece is on the ferry to sweden.		22:53
crashanddie	kerio: sounds like the motor is stuck	22:53
Mece	keiro, nokia care	22:53
kerio	crashanddie: how can i unstuck it?	22:54
SpeedEvil	kerio: slap it	22:54
crashanddie	kerio: I use chain oil	22:54
crashanddie	oh wait, for the vibrator? No	22:55
Mece	LOL	22:56
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Mece	the interwebs, sir. they appear to be slow!	22:56
Mece	lcuk, venemo, http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2342/d2560dceca8c47c39dd20d4a32699fe3.jpg	22:56
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kerio	didn't MohammadAG51 unstuck his by running it for a whole night or something?	22:57
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kerio	MohammadAG51: halp	22:57
Venemo	Mece: what is the issue?	22:57
BCMM	kerio: just set a nice loud ringtone, and shake it vigourously every time it rings	22:57
Mece	http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2341/a4ae02732e874c75ba52be1f7c1abd2e.jpg	22:57
BCMM	(while making a buzzing sound)	22:58
Venemo	Mece: ah...	22:58
Mece	Venemo, well it's not pretty, is it?	22:58
Venemo	Mece: interesting.	22:58
crashanddie	Mece: gorgeous	22:58
crashanddie	Mece: where are the bees?	22:58
Venemo	Mece: unfortunately, I have no expertise with GL	22:58
Mece	crashanddie, it's a bolard game...	22:58
Mece	s/bolard/board/	22:59
infobot	Mece meant: crashanddie, it's a board game...	22:59
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kerio	stupid sand ._.	22:59
crashanddie	Mece: that makes a lot more sense :D	23:00
kerio	can't i just force it to run?	23:00
Mece	crashanddie, i don't get sarcasm right now (possibly because I'm a little drunk) so I don't know what you mean.	23:02
frals	Mece: silja or viking line? ;-)	23:03
Mece	frals, silja europa	23:03
Mece	frals, you here?	23:03
frals	nah, just curious	23:03
* frals is quite comfortable in HEL		23:03
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Mece	frals, going to sonisphere stockholm :) It's more convenient than björneborg/pori since I have many friends in sthm and none in pori.	23:05
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frals	cool, youre missing the free "warmup" concerts today thou ;)	23:06
Mece	frals, yeah, oh well. such is life.	23:09
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frals	yeah, cant get everything ;)	23:09
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Mece	frals, I'm pretty happy about seeing maiden@, anthrax and fn slayer on the same day. haven't seen any of them the last 5 years.	23:14
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frals	hehe	23:14
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lcuk	Mece, have you got yourself any odd scaling on the layout you are using	23:16
lcuk	i have seen bugs where due to scaling limitations you end up with odd artifacts	23:16
Mece	lcuk, hmm.. lemme see. I've done rotating and scaling but.. ok yeah I have scaling there.	23:17
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lcuk	Mece, try it without setting anything specific in the transform (just for the fun) to test	23:17
lcuk	(if thats possible and you can see some of the screen without any messing	23:17
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lcuk	it might show exactly the same, but its just a mini hunch	23:18
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Mece	whoa...	23:18
Mece	that wa	23:18
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Mece	bad.	23:19
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Mece	worse without transformations. much worse.	23:19
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Mece	perhaps there's some final rendering that is required.	23:20
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Mece	lcuk, http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2342/fcba62599d1e47d68f42a35563865b05.jpg	23:21
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Mece	perhaps the experimental pyqt libs are better..	23:23
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Mece	interesting, first it renders it correctly, then it blinks and messes things up after a third of a second.	23:26
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Mece	eh screw this, I'm going tol bed. I'll work with software rendering for now.	23:28
Mece	tooldes	23:28
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arcol	hi	23:32
Venemo	hi	23:32
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trbs2	anybody knows if you can slide open the n900 when mounted in the cr-114 car mount ?	23:35
arcol	I try to update my n900 (just bought today). However I have some troubles about the terms	23:35
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arcol	fiasco, eMMC	23:36
trbs2	wondering if i should buy one or not :) but i want to be able slide the kb open at least :)	23:36
arcol	what does exactly FIASCO means? Also if I update the RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, do I need to flash the eMMC image too?	23:36
arcol	also what exactly eMMC is for?	23:36
jacekowski	arcol: fiasco is and image with modem firmware, 1st stage bootloader, 2nd stage bootloader, modem 1st stage bootloader, modem 2nd stage bootloader, kernel image, and root filesystem	23:37
Venemo	arcol: I'll explain you	23:37
Venemo	arcol: the eMMC is the built-in 32 GB storage	23:37
arcol	also what is the latest image?	23:38
jacekowski	arcol: that's stored in 256M OneNAND that's faster than eMMC and in modem flash	23:38
Venemo	arcol: the "fiasco" image is the firmware itself, while the eMMC image contains stuff for the 32GB storage	23:38
jacekowski	arcol: eMMC is a big 32G eMMC memory where your files reside	23:38
arcol	I dont exactly understand these complicated names, when there are only 4-5 versions (PR1.2, PR1.1.1, PR1.1 and some 2009 version)	23:38
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Venemo	arcol: there is a date	23:39
jacekowski	arcol: you have to flash both	23:39
Venemo	arcol: but PR 1.2 is the newest	23:39
jacekowski	arcol: eMMC and then fiasco and don't reboot between	23:39
Venemo	arcol: if you are not sure, try upgrading over the air	23:39
arcol	so I need to flash fiasco and after emmc image? I dont see any matching versions	23:39
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jacekowski	arcol: no	23:39
jacekowski	arcol: eMMC goes first	23:39
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jacekowski	~flashing	23:39
infobot	it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:40
arcol	"NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that."	23:40
jacekowski	flash eMMC first	23:40
arcol	from: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	23:40
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jacekowski	well, it doesn't matter	23:40
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jacekowski	as long as you don't reboot in between	23:40
t0EhAPDb8zz5WQ	Did you know? The_Thing AKA "The Thing That Should Not Be" calls himself as such because he survived THREE separate abortion attempts! 7c4NJj2OqM	23:40
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t0EhAPDb8zz5WQ	Did you know? The_Thing AKA "The Thing That Should Not Be" calls himself as such because he survived THREE separate abortion attempts! 6R0yEnPAf	23:40
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arcol	also what is the matching versions?	23:41
jacekowski	but if you reboot then it's better to flash eMMC first	23:41
jacekowski	the one where it says latest	23:41
arcol	fiasco: PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1	23:41
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arcol	there is no eMMC matching version	23:41
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arcol	this one?: eMMC content 10.2010.13-2	23:42
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andre__	should work	23:42
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jacekowski	arcol: it says latest on right hand side	23:42
gziCftkxk3XGqK	I am sick to death of the ludicrous anti-Nintendo ravings of you pissed-off geeks. Do you really believe the rest of us don't see right through your mental pathology? Your entire conosole philosophy boils down to this: "The cool kids picked on me in high school, and I can't get over it. I hate the Wii" dX5qd	23:42
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gziCftkxk3XGqK	this ignore list is for losers, boozers, those boring and self-whoring and folks unwilling to represent memories of Tupac and keep the dream of the Black Planet alive. AUfJp	23:42
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arcol	jacekowski: ok. Thanks	23:42
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Stskeeps	niko: we're being hit with some strange web gateway attacks	23:43
arcol	There should be some definitive guide to n900. The wiki is detailed, but hard to get a fast overview...	23:43
trbs2	what was that ?	23:43
niko	hi	23:43
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trbs2	hi niko	23:43
jacekowski	22:42 -!- gziCftkxk3XGqK [722e8b70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.46.139.112] has joined #maemo	23:43
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Stskeeps	.. think one of them will illustrate in a moment	23:44
nriRGb	I have been blessed and cursed with two hot ass cousins. Damn what I wouldn't give to hit it. But I never will be able to without consequences. I remember one time when she was 8 she wanted me to sleep in her bed with her and we were going to touch each other. But I still believe in that God fairytale so I turned it down. I still regret it. cl4dYchrMaShp	23:44
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niko	i see	23:44
Stskeeps	yeah..	23:44
towam	eewww	23:44
towam	wtf that guy is sick	23:44
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towam	thanks for kicking him	23:44
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jacekowski	nooooooo	23:44
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jacekowski	not idoru	23:44
jacekowski	power factor	23:45
towam	what's wrong with idoru?	23:45
jacekowski	he killed me couple times	23:45
jacekowski	for saying power factor	23:45
Stskeeps	you probably deserved it :P	23:45
jacekowski	well, it	23:45
Saul_Goodman	power factor	23:45
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towam	say "power factor" many times	23:45
Saul_Goodman	idoru will become self-aware	23:46
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jacekowski	?	23:47
crashanddie	Stskeeps: should keep unregistered users from talking	23:47
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crashanddie	lmao	23:58
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crashanddie	some guy is telling me he refuses to register because "the registration process is too dangerous", and that "registering would allow bad people to abuse him"	23:59
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Stskeeps	anyway, danger seems to be over so we can remove it again	23:59

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