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| hrw|gone | anyone knows why building in official maemovm with sbox has so badly floating dates? | 00:44 |
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| hrw|gone | checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! | 00:44 |
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| hrw|gone | and time is set properly inside of vm | 00:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone investigaed if hulu plus might work with n900? | 00:48 |
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| svanheulen | hello | 00:52 |
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| svanheulen | anyone know how to check things out of the the mxr? website says to use svn or git but i just get connection timeout errors | 00:53 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, can we get supybot to tell us todays xkcd line with a command? | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | lcuk, in theory, yes | 02:05 |
| lcuk | :D awesome | 02:05 |
| mgedmin | just write/find a supybot plugin and email me the install instructions ;) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | knowing irc, theres probably already one | 02:05 |
| nox- | oh new bot? | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | povbot is old (and stupid) | 02:06 |
| povbot | mgedmin: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | see? | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | povbot, about | 02:06 |
| povbot | mgedmin: Error: "about" is not a valid command. | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | povbot, info | 02:06 |
| povbot | mgedmin: Error: "info" is not a valid command. | 02:06 |
| mgedmin | povbot, version | 02:06 |
| povbot | mgedmin: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1. | 02:06 |
| nox- | povbot, factoids | 02:07 |
| povbot | nox-: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command. | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | povbot, help | 02:07 |
| povbot | MohammadAG51: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | what language is used to code supybot? | 02:08 |
| LjL | python | 02:08 |
| lcuk | or old stupid povbot | 02:08 |
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| Lynoure | What, N900 has no default way to set a calendar entry to repeat daily? | 02:17 |
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| hamilton5 | something like just changing the day when it comes up... but not auto I dont think | 02:21 |
| Lynoure | ah, the alarm clock works better for this | 02:21 |
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| hamilton5 | would like to color code every other monday for the day I work... that way I can skip a few months ahead and eaisly see if I have to work that day. | 02:25 |
| ieatlint | ok, who wants to marry me before they make it illegal here again? | 02:32 |
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| hamilton5 | you gay? | 02:34 |
| ieatlint | that's a pretty personal question | 02:37 |
| hamilton5 | well if im to marry you... | 02:37 |
| ieatlint | well, a few drinks and we'll see ;) | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA, rename user "user" breaks all things as we know. | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | now here comes a nice detail: | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | # UIDs that are allowed to use Lifeguard with reset policy | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | # the UID used for applications | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 29999 | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://gitorious.org/dsme/dsme/blobs/master/lifeguard.uids | 02:50 |
| nox- | what are lifeguard and dsme? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Device State Management Entity | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the central monster starting all important processes | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dsme-tool --help | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hardcoded user numeric ID, now that's one of the kinkiest things I've ever seen | 02:53 |
| * cehteh thinks 80% of nokia developments efforts gone in things reinventing wheels in all shapes but round ones | 02:53 | |
| nox- | hm doesnt seem to be in path | 02:54 |
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| kerio | the engineers of square-peg-in-round-hole | 02:54 |
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| nox- | hehe | 02:54 |
| cehteh | "it worked before, here is how it works everywhere! .. ah cool, lets make it different" | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is, in root path | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# dsmetool --help | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | USAGE: dsmetool <options> | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Note that the <cmd> should include absolute path. | 02:55 |
| cehteh | anyone of you know how the software stack on symbian looks like? | 02:55 |
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| nox- | ah spelled w/o - | 02:55 |
| * cehteh suspects that they just tried to replicate parts on top of linux | 02:55 | |
| cehteh | or did they really reinvent all that crap out of nothing? | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaaah, oom-adj, now that's what I confused with ohm | 03:00 |
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| threezero | oom == openObsoleteManager? | 03:00 |
| luke-jr | out of memory | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | out of mem manager? | 03:01 |
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| threezero | Ooops Out of Memory | 03:01 |
| BCMM | that reminds me, there is no way to trigger magic sysrq events from the n900 keyboard, is there? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 03:02 |
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| BCMM | hmm, i thought not | 03:02 |
| BCMM | shame | 03:02 |
| TermanaN900 | good morning | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing a few qualifier keys, and especially N-key rollover | 03:02 |
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| wolf^ | BCMM, ctrl+shift+x, echo ... > /proc/sysrq-trigger | 03:08 |
| wolf^ | BCMM, all using keyboard ;p | 03:08 |
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| mgedmin | don't you need to be root to write there? | 03:10 |
| wolf^ | oh yes, add sudo gainroot then | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wolf^: check for N-key rollover problem in kbd hw matrix. Though *some* 3-key combos might work, others won't | 03:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders if somebody would say thanks to him when he did a table of all problematic combinations of permutations of shift|ctrl|Fn|<anykey> | 03:16 | |
| kerio | i did shift+fn+key combos | 03:17 |
| kerio | they all work except for z/x and j/k | 03:17 |
| kerio | (they map to the same) | 03:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer decides it's much more convenient for him to look up particular combos in schematics, and he's not fond of doing monkey table writedowns | 03:18 | |
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| GuySoft | hey, i am planning to go to india - i was wondering if you have any programs to suggest to take with me. like perhaps a gps map? or some digital guide? | 03:46 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ping? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | pong | 03:53 |
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| GuySoft | anybody here? | 04:01 |
| hamilton5 | no | 04:02 |
| GuySoft | hamilton5, aha! | 04:02 |
| hamilton5 | (op): 1 [0.2%] (voice): 1 [0.2%] (users): 472 [99.6%] = (total): 474 | 04:02 |
| GuySoft | well, ill try another question, did anyone try a rapid 1AA charger on their nokia N810?: http://cgi.ebay.com/Emergency-Battery-Mobile-Phone-Charger-Nokia-Moto-/260603100764?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories | 04:03 |
| mgedmin | if you're looking for gps maps for a n810, install maemo-mapper | 04:03 |
| GuySoft | it claims to give 350mA, i am not sure if thats good enough | 04:03 |
| GuySoft | mgedmin, yes, but mamo-mapper can't really navigate on its own | 04:03 |
| mgedmin | no, but it is a gps map, for some value of gps and map ;) | 04:04 |
| GuySoft | mgedmin, here in israel i use freemap-il it has vector maps | 04:04 |
| GuySoft | mgedmin, well i have it, i guess i would need to download maps for it in advance | 04:05 |
| mgedmin | a very good idea | 04:05 |
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| GuySoft | i never really figured out how to do that.. and goocle maps does not work anymore right? | 04:05 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 04:06 |
| mgedmin | how's openstreetmap coverage for India? | 04:06 |
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| skynets | hey | 05:09 |
| skynets | ive been waiting for more than 3 weeks | 05:09 |
| skynets | extras-devel is not working | 05:10 |
| skynets | is this normal | 05:10 |
| hamilton5 | define 'is not working' | 05:10 |
| skynets | cant update it with the app manager | 05:10 |
| skynets | gives me an error | 05:10 |
| hamilton5 | and that error is...... | 05:11 |
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| skynets | oh ok i thought it was affecting everyone | 05:11 |
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| hamilton5 | oh ok you should just get to the point of what your problem is | 05:11 |
| hamilton5 | repo lists are here: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/ | 05:12 |
| skynets | hold on its loading | 05:12 |
| skynets | yeah all the repos are installed | 05:12 |
| hamilton5 | you dont install repos | 05:12 |
| skynets | added them | 05:12 |
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| skynets | stupid app manager | 05:13 |
| ham5 | agreed | 05:13 |
| zeltak | hya. anyone using emelfm2 with n900? | 05:13 |
| skynets | so now im going back to it | 05:13 |
| skynets | trying to generate the error | 05:13 |
| skynets | no catalogs in use | 05:13 |
| skynets | they were all there a minute ago | 05:14 |
| skynets | wtf | 05:14 |
| skynets | i cant even download fapman | 05:14 |
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| skynets | is there another way to install fapman? | 05:15 |
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| skynets | can i get it with apt-get? | 05:16 |
| ham5 | not if your repo list isent right | 05:16 |
| ham5 | download the deb from the web and install with dpkg | 05:16 |
| skynets | damn linux | 05:16 |
| skynets | why cant anything run smoothly | 05:16 |
| ham5 | so much to play with you get noobs that just mess it all up ... my guess | 05:17 |
| skynets | ok here is the error | 05:17 |
| skynets | yeah blame it on the noobs | 05:17 |
| skynets | Application list partially refreshed | 05:17 |
| skynets | Some catalogs unavailable | 05:17 |
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| skynets | Maemo Extras-Evel | 05:17 |
| ham5 | nice spelling | 05:18 |
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| skynets | Devel* | 05:18 |
| microlith | o_O anyone else in here on AT&T? | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | microlith: too expensive | 05:18 |
| microlith | I do plan on moving to t-mobile | 05:18 |
| ham5 | !anyone | 05:18 |
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| microlith | but I think their data network just went down | 05:19 |
| microlith | at least here | 05:19 |
| ham5 | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. | 05:19 |
| ham5 | :) | 05:19 |
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| luke-jr | microlith: T-Mobile is nosy | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | microlith: they demand private info ☹ | 05:20 |
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| microlith | well it's either expensive 2.5 or nosy, cheap 3g | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | heh | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | I use T-Mo's hiptop pay-as-you-go | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | $1/day | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | just need to setup a proxy for ports 80 and 443 | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | wolf^: kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard | 05:22 |
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| zeltak | tried to look on the wiki regarding info for the busybox shell..cant find much...is there a search history (ctrl-r) type thing for it? | 05:30 |
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| skynets | finally installed fapman | 05:42 |
| skynets | now the first update | 05:42 |
| skynets | froze at like 5% | 05:42 |
| skynets | its been on it for like 20 minutes | 05:42 |
| skynets | is that normalo | 05:42 |
| skynets | it says Operation in progress Fetching package date information | 05:43 |
| skynets | stuck at the same place | 05:43 |
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| mortini | skynets: via wifi or 3g/etc? | 05:45 |
| skynets | wifi | 05:45 |
| skynets | wow now i cant even close it | 05:45 |
| skynets | X wont respond | 05:45 |
| skynets | stupid phone | 05:45 |
| mortini | yeah, there's some sleep thing that i lack the desire to look up on the maemo wiki that happens with wifi | 05:45 |
| mortini | it varies based on your AP | 05:45 |
| mortini | what i do is do an update/install and switch to the web browser and just load up google and search stupid crap. | 05:46 |
| skynets | why did i buy this phone | 05:46 |
| mortini | Can't answer that. | 05:46 |
| skynets | can i throw it on a brick wall and be satisfied? | 05:46 |
| mortini | You could send it to me, and pretend yo usent it to the brick wall. | 05:46 |
| skynets | meh for some reason its still wworth money | 05:47 |
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| skynets | greeat | 05:47 |
| * mortini shrugs. you could still send it to me. | 05:47 | |
| skynets | now i rebooted the phone and my sim card isnt detected | 05:47 |
| mortini | and i could build a n900 BEOWULF CLUSTER! | 05:47 |
| * mortini nods & shrugs. | 05:47 | |
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| skynets | worst investment ever | 05:48 |
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| TermanaN900 | mortini, something tells me that people wont buy that for the performance :P | 05:48 |
| ham5 | skynets flash it back to stock and quit f'n with it | 05:48 |
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| skynets | even flashing it to stock doesnt work from windows x64 | 05:49 |
| mortini | TermanaN900: seems to kind of be a dated analogy. seems 5-10 years ago, whenever a friend of mine would get 2+ cheapie computers from someplace, they'd go on about building them into a beowulf cluster, even though they'd have no idea what to do with it | 05:49 |
| ham5 | oh a windows user.... that explains alot;) | 05:49 |
| TermanaN900 | skynets, please go be a sheep somewhere else thank you | 05:49 |
| TermanaN900 | like tmo for instance | 05:49 |
| mortini | i got these free 486's! let's make them into a beowulf cluster! | 05:49 |
| mortini | even though my PII is faster. | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | skynets: only lamers use Windows! | 05:50 |
| skynets | and cool ppl use linux? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | skynets: sane people* | 05:50 |
| mortini | cool people roll their own OS. | 05:50 |
| skynets | because everything else doesnt matter | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | skynets: in any case, N900 isn't a phone. you're bound to be disappointed if you wanted a phone. | 05:50 |
| TermanaN900 | mortini, LFS? | 05:50 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 05:50 |
| mortini | cooler people roll their own HW | 05:50 |
| skynets | i bet your e-penis is huge | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | skynets: HURD is a neat toy | 05:50 |
| mortini | TermanaN900: LFS? | 05:50 |
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| TermanaN900 | mortini, Linux from Scratch | 05:51 |
| mortini | pft! | 05:51 |
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| mortini | that's for noobs | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | it really is | 05:51 |
| skynets | im calling it a phone but everyone knows that "phone" is only a feature on the n900 | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | I graduated from Lfs to Gentoo | 05:51 |
| TermanaN900 | skynets, it is, but id appreciate you not looking at my e-penis | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | skynets: it reflects on your mindset | 05:51 |
| skynets | you're the one waving it to everyone in here daily | 05:51 |
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| skynets | i dont come here often | 05:51 |
| skynets | im too busy | 05:52 |
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| mortini | there's the occasional x86 OS that some random guy wrote in their basement. I know of one that i've seen SS's of, but I lack the desire to look at it. | 05:52 |
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| mortini | I'm really disappointed that someone hasn't ported BeOS to a phone, because, damn, that'd be pimp on today's phone hardware | 05:52 |
| skynets | nitdroid ftw | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | skynets: see, that reflects more the same attitude | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | you want a phone | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | not a low-end multifunction device | 05:53 |
| mortini | although by the time they added the BS to make it into a phone, the BeOS benefits would be gone | 05:53 |
| skynets | low-end multifunction device OS = maemo | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | skynets: exactly | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | low-end multifunction device = N900 | 05:53 |
| skynets | android is good no? | 05:53 |
| Jucato | mortini: last I heard, Haiku OS might have plans | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | if you wanted a high-end phone, you got the wrong product | 05:53 |
| Jucato | (but not their priority atm I guess) | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | Android is "okay" … for a phone | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | but I never plan to buy a phone | 05:54 |
| mortini | Jucato: without any commerical support, it doesn't particularly matter, tbh. | 05:54 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, i did =) | 05:54 |
| skynets | i thought android does more than maemo and better | 05:54 |
| mortini | i guess i was referring to palm/HP | 05:54 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, i didn't find n900 that good at something | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | skynets: nope | 05:54 |
| ham5 | who needs commerical support, when you got everyone here ;) | 05:54 |
| mortini | but, palm/hp, that source has sat on osme tape or disk for the last 10+ years | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: N900 does "decent" at most everything. it's like a jack of all trades. | 05:55 |
| mortini | and nobody's even looked at it. | 05:55 |
| Jucato | mortini: if that's what you meant, yeah. wasn't really thinking about commercializing :) | 05:55 |
| skynets | ham5 but everyone in here tells everyone else what it can do but nothing is being done and nokia saw that and let go of the n900 | 05:55 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, i mean it's cool device - but it's not using full potential -it's like prototype =) | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: sure | 05:55 |
| mortini | Jucato: tbh, my comment was more valid pre-iphone, mostly because the environment was so closed with totally rap OS | 05:55 |
| mortini | er, crap OS prior to that. | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: I really want a high-end multifunction device though | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: so at least 12 mpixel cam, USABLE keyboard, etc | 05:56 |
| Jucato | ZogG: "full potential"? in what sense? | 05:56 |
| mortini | at least iOS gives the customer *some* choice. most telco's prior to that adopted the goodfella's policies on any sort of anything on your phone | 05:56 |
| TermanaN900 | whatever fools. I'll be rolling with ma MeeGo OS and ya'll be hatin bitches | 05:56 |
| mortini | the 'F you, pay me' model. | 05:56 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 05:56 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, the keyboard is ok and camera too | 05:56 |
| mortini | while, i guess iOS still has that, it's at last reasonable prices, instead of like $5/mo to add one ringtone. | 05:56 |
| ZogG | Jucato, look at android | 05:57 |
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| luke-jr | ZogG: I had to go from 8 mpix to 5 mpix for N900 ;) | 05:57 |
| ZogG | Jucato, when the OS is finished | 05:57 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, i think if you want good camera - you buy camera and not other device+camera | 05:58 |
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| ZogG | phone camera is for quick photos and n900 is enuf for me | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: that's the difference between a jack-of-all-trades/low-end-multidevice and a polymath/high-end-multidevice | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | the high-end should *replace* all the functions *entirely* | 05:59 |
| Jucato | ZogG: I was more curious on how to measure that "full potential" for Maemo 5 on N900 (specific OS on specific hwardware) | 05:59 |
| skynets | or at least not have an extremely buggy OS with a lack of official support surrounded with an arrogant community :P | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | the high-end multifunction device should make your camera, GPS, laptop, and phone obsolete garbage. | 05:59 |
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| skynets | guys | 06:01 |
| skynets | what are the top 5 apps to install | 06:01 |
| skynets | on the n900 | 06:01 |
| skynets | the list aint big but there are so many bad apps that i need to know the quality ones P | 06:01 |
| mortini | ipython :D | 06:02 |
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| Jucato | ZogG: and I thought you were referring mostly to hardware because of the "cool device ... not using full potential" part. I thought you meant like there's some hidden or unused part of the hardware that hasn't been utilized but is actually there (N810 anyone?) | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pleeeease ask me to kick somebody! | 06:03 |
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| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, i can smell it from here | 06:03 |
| * Jucato will keep quiet now | 06:03 | |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, kick me | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | "I installed fapman from extras-devel(!!) - meh culdnt bother to read warnings. FOKI FONE now dos not work like I want it. CRAP! will throw it into toilet" | 06:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer facepalms | 06:05 | |
| Jucato | maybe should be renamed to extras-pleasereadwarningsfirst-devel? | 06:05 |
| mortini | otther than the warning you click through for every package? :) | 06:06 |
| TermanaN900 | no, if your stupid enough not to read warnings without being told 100 times, you deserve what you get | 06:06 |
| * mortini blames DocScrutinizer. | 06:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | go back to tmo wnkers, where you belong | 06:06 |
| mortini | & TermanaN900. | 06:06 |
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| skynets | u know what | 06:07 |
| skynets | the n900 should have a warning on the box | 06:07 |
| skynets | extremely buggy phone | 06:07 |
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| skynets | :/ | 06:08 |
| skynets | k thx bye | 06:08 |
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| TermanaN900 | What a dumbarse. Did he not read the warning on the box - "we:recycle" - HORRIBLE | 06:09 |
| mortini | imo, one of the issues with phones, in general is this long-running idea that the phhone companies want you to upgrade every 9 months. | 06:10 |
| KageSenshi | hi guys, i'm planning to grab a N900, but i'm wondering whats the PIM app is called .. wanna look at its API .. | 06:10 |
| KageSenshi | its not pimlico right ? | 06:10 |
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| ie | mortini I wonder why don't they learn from desktop/ laptop makers.. you don't have to upgrade that every 9 months | 06:15 |
| mortini | ie: not in their model. | 06:15 |
| ie | especially for phones sold for over 500 dollars | 06:16 |
| mortini | ie: have you seen the movie 'Goodfellas'? | 06:16 |
| mortini | phones have *always* ben over 500 dollars | 06:16 |
| mortini | it's just over the past few years said phones have one from being toasters to being something actually useful. | 06:16 |
| ie | mortini few, compared to the low-tech phones market share | 06:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | KageSenshi: N900 has no particularly good PIM. | 06:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | at least mot ootb | 06:21 |
| mortini | ie: anyways, in the movie 'goodfellas', there's a scene where they talk about mobsters rolling in stolen goods into the back of abar, only to sell them in the front of the bar at whatever prices | 06:21 |
| mortini | but, there's the protection price to pay, which is referred to as 'f you, pay me' | 06:21 |
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| mortini | 'the place burns down?' 'f you. pay me' | 06:21 |
| mortini | 'x happens?' 'f you. pay me.' | 06:21 |
| mortini | this is the model that the telcos have largely adopted. | 06:22 |
| KageSenshi | DocScrutinizer51, yeah, thats why i'm wondering whats the name/API doc coz wanna look at what I might able to do with it :P | 06:23 |
| ie | mortini In october 2009, I googled n800 - n810 released dates.. thats when I decided not to get an n900 lol | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | get the manual - it's somewheree in the internets | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | KageSenshi: the 'pim' has no decent website with screenshots and shit | 06:25 |
| ie | mortini and only months later, meego was announced | 06:25 |
| KageSenshi | still looking around for it .. i found the wiki, but not sure which is the PIM .. | 06:25 |
| KageSenshi | yeah .. no decent website for it :( | 06:25 |
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| KageSenshi | i think this is it .. http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend .. | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | KageSenshi: but if you're wondering if the 'pim' that comes with bare bones maemo is good enough for you to buy the 'phone' - well then the N900 probably isn't the device for you anyway. Go check http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ and see if that's of any appeal for you. If not then please look for a better phone matching your usage profile | 06:27 |
| ie | mortini seems like they're taking more than I expected for a meego qwerty cellphone | 06:28 |
| ie | I feel like creating a meego witnesses campaign | 06:28 |
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| KageSenshi | DocScrutinizer, nope, mainly wondering what i can hack around with the PIM data :-) .. | 06:29 |
| KageSenshi | n900 is a superb geek phone | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | KageSenshi: there's no such thing like a 'pim' on maemo. Only thing it got is calendar, contacts, dialer, notes, dialogs, a few todo apps of second source | 06:30 |
| KageSenshi | lol | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 06:30 |
| KageSenshi | ok | 06:30 |
| KageSenshi | thanks | 06:30 |
| KageSenshi | :) | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | contacts (and calendar) databease is not for direct access, but there are libraries with documented API to deal with those tables | 06:31 |
| KageSenshi | issit in EDS? | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | for hacking see for example http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55018 | 06:32 |
| KageSenshi | thanks | 06:33 |
| KageSenshi | :) | 06:33 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, not in python | 07:26 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, there isn't any py binding for this api | 07:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-02.log.html#t2010-08-02T20:05:23 | 07:36 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, yep python have abook module for contacts | 07:39 |
| Khertan | but nothing for calendardb | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, k :-S | 07:40 |
| Khertan | but the contact modules doesn't have all the c libs feature | 07:40 |
| Khertan | which make it pretty useless :) | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 07:41 |
| Khertan | this is why i read directly the db ;) | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | reading *might* work | 07:42 |
| Khertan | yep ... writing is a bit hazardous | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 07:42 |
| * Khertan didn't understand how developpers can found faster to make ui with QtDesigner than doing it in code ... | 07:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 07:43 |
| Khertan | 10 min to made a completly fucked ui ... and was rewritted in less than 4 min in python | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | found designer rather comfy | 07:43 |
| Khertan | i like glade ... but not designer | 07:44 |
| Khertan | i think i didn't understand well the philosophy behind | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like very weird CAD | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually by meaning of word it *is* CAD | 07:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, you're talking about pyDesigner? | 07:48 |
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| Khertan | no no ... just QtDesigner | 07:49 |
| Khertan | there is a pyDesigner ? | 07:50 |
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| Khertan | currently i'm fighting with it to put a QPushButton in the toolbar | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard that, first time in my life, maybe yesterday, or day before | 07:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, maybe that's not what toolbar is supposed to accept? | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc really | 07:51 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, it should | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but could imagine in toolbar you got other widgets, not exactly QPushButton | 07:52 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, all widget i try to add in the toolbar go to the centralWidgte | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 07:53 |
| Khertan | in python it s just an toolbar.addWidget(mywidget) | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah I seem to remember it's a bit icky to activate the right widget to modify it | 07:54 |
| Khertan | where one line before : mywidget = QPushButton("Designer isn't easy to use") | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure sure | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's just "what's all those fckng keys on that thing... what's the name - PC? Nah I'll use my slideruler, much simpler" | 07:55 |
| Khertan | ok i think i ll abandon hope to use designer | 07:55 |
| Khertan | why using a tools if you doesn't help you, and will not, will contrain you in future to use it again or redo everything differently | 07:56 |
| Khertan | make me you losing time | 07:56 |
| Khertan | s/me | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | on GUIs of any complexity beyond 5 radiobuttons in a window you go insane with spacing and whatnot, when coding directly | 07:57 |
| Khertan | hum ... i you aren't coding like monkey ... it should but not insane ! | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | designer is kinda WYSIWYG | 07:58 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 07:59 |
| Khertan | i ll not call that wysiwyg | 07:59 |
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| Jucato | while on the topic of Qt (not exactly designer though), has anyone managed to get phonon working on Diablo? (yeah, legacy version ... :( ) | 08:00 |
| Khertan | must go on ... bye | 08:01 |
| Khertan | Jucato, sorry my n810 batt died ... could not try | 08:01 |
| Jucato | thanks. even a simple Phonon::createPlayer(...) player->play() doesnt work ... | 08:01 |
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| * RST38h wishes someone finally fixes Python base packages to avoid making a total mess of the fstab | 08:15 | |
| slonopotamus | err... my n900 says it has charger plugged in though it doesn't | 08:16 |
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| pigeon | wireless charging, alright! | 08:20 |
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| * luke-jr has a Bluetooth charger | 08:36 | |
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| luke-jr | I like Bluetooth charger better | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | :P | 08:37 |
| swc|666 | lol | 08:37 |
| swc|666 | less radiation | 08:37 |
| TermanaN900 | yeah well I have a GENUINE flux capacitor | 08:39 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 08:39 |
| luke-jr | if ARM can get their efficiency some magnitudes better, solar power might work ☺ | 08:41 |
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| budfive | during the day | 08:44 |
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| budfive | if you hold it just right | 08:44 |
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| luke-jr | budfive: at that point, the battery should have no problem covering overnight ;) | 09:03 |
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| WormFood | nice. I just noticed my N85 has the same internal battery as my N800....maybe I'll buy a solder iron, and swap batteries (but the solder iron I want, costs over $60, and I don't want to spend that much on it) | 09:04 |
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| mece | ello ello | 09:07 |
| WormFood | mece, 你好 你好 :P | 09:07 |
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| mece | WormFood: eh? | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: why? | 09:16 |
| steinex | hey guys. a thing im very annoyed about: is it possible to mute the vibration and sound of incoming im message for lets say 1 minute after first notification? | 09:18 |
| steinex | when im in a meeting and someone sends me 3 bars one after another it goes toktoktoktoktoktoktok... | 09:19 |
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| mece | steinex: there are some applications that can gives you custom profiles I think, have you tried those? | 09:33 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Morning everyone. | 09:36 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: moro | 09:39 |
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| steinex | will do, thanks | 09:45 |
| steinex | another issue: my virtual keyboard is gone | 09:45 |
| steinex | tried disabling and reenabling, rebooting, nothing helped | 09:46 |
| steinex | anyone seen this before? | 09:46 |
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| mece | steinex: I've never enabled my virtual keyboard. Have no idea what it even looks like or how you use it, so no, I haven't. My N900 came with a hw keyboard :) | 09:47 |
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| mece | steinex, but I remember reading something about virtual keyboard issues. Can't remember what the issue was though. search tmo. | 09:48 |
| mece | steinex, some themes may cause issues I hear. | 09:48 |
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| IzZy-Bby | o.O | 09:54 |
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| IzZy-Bby | O.o | 09:54 |
| IzZy-Bby | O_O | 09:54 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | mece, is your last name Wikström? | 09:55 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, (just looked your user info) | 09:55 |
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| frals | rain \o/ | 10:03 |
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| toggles_w | rain is bad for fun | 10:13 |
| toggles_w | unless you are a duck | 10:13 |
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| mece | D-Iivil_Work: yes it is, sorry was afk. | 10:15 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: how so? Do we know eachother? | 10:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, are you relateive to Ann Wikström or Martin Wikström? | 10:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, relative... | 10:16 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: martin is my brother. If it's the same one. | 10:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, well.. depends on how old you are :D | 10:17 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: tall funny guy :) Martin is 27 | 10:17 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, okay, then nevermind. | 10:17 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, just thought if you were relative to my boss :P | 10:17 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: Hee :) But you're a musician from uusimaa, so perhaps you know J-P Salokangas? | 10:18 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, hmm.. sounds familiar... is his band something called wood.. or something similiar to that? | 10:19 |
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| mece | D-Iivil_Work: Silkwood, they don't exist anymore though. | 10:20 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, then I have met the guy, but don't really know. | 10:20 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: Check this one out if you're interested: http://www.serenedecay.fi/ | 10:21 |
| D-Iivil_Work | checking.. | 10:22 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, sounds well produced and played, but not my cup of tee in terms of genre / style. | 10:23 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, I'm more into high & loud ;) | 10:24 |
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| Finnish | Yeah, one of my 2 new pres! http://www.ukkohapponen.fi/media/Galleriat/Soolohommat/Sataman%20Helmi%2027.-29.7.2010/06%20gap%20pre.JPG | 10:25 |
| Finnish | Ups, wrong forum... | 10:26 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, nice :P | 10:26 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, Golden Age? | 10:26 |
| Finnish | YEah, Golden Age Project | 10:27 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, was it expensive? | 10:27 |
| Finnish | A bit under 300€ per piece, I bought two of those | 10:27 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, that's reasonable :) | 10:28 |
| Finnish | Can't wait to use those ladys in a real session! I bought also a tube ribbon mic, also Golden Age | 10:28 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, I heard it's pretty good all-around-preamp for about everything (not just vocals). | 10:29 |
| Finnish | Yeah me too, that's why I bought. And what I've read in Gearslutz some compare it to 10x expensive pres in a very positive way. | 10:30 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Finnish, yeah. | 10:31 |
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| Finnish | Ok, gotta go to studio to install audio software after reinstall and maybe I have the time to test properly my new hardware. | 10:33 |
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| hrw | someone wants modest 3.4.8? | 10:41 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | hrw, what's nice in it? | 10:44 |
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| jacekowski | is it faster/ | 10:45 |
| hrw | faster | 10:46 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | hrw, I could give it a try. Where to grab it? | 10:46 |
| hrw | I will apply few more patches and will provide repo | 10:47 |
| D-Iivil_Work | hrw, please do that and also provide some sort of changelog / fixlist :) | 10:48 |
| hrw | dpkg-buildpackage: source version 3.4.8-hrw1 | 10:49 |
| hrw | will announce in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41204 | 10:49 |
| hrw | building modest in maemovm takes a bit of time | 10:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | hrw, thx | 10:50 |
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| hrw | and then need to check does 3.4.8 works properly. I know that 3.4.2 works fine | 11:00 |
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| ghostcube | ok after i give up in connecting any wlan printer, when will flash 10.1 be ready for maemo, and dont tell me its not going to be ported | 11:04 |
| ghostcube | :| | 11:04 |
| hrw | ghostcube: ask adobe? | 11:05 |
| ghostcube | why should i its released from adobe | 11:05 |
| hrw | but n900 can run 10.1 flash even today. you just need to boot android | 11:05 |
| hrw | ghostcube: adobe writes flash plugin | 11:05 |
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| ghostcube | since when does adobe implement the flash packages to n900 | 11:06 |
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| ghostcube | mobile 10.1 is released so what are you trying to tell me | 11:06 |
| hrw | since ever? | 11:06 |
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| hrw | flash is adobe product | 11:06 |
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| ghostcube | sure but what does this have to do with my question aboove | 11:07 |
| ghostcube | iam not retarded guy i knew what adobe does | 11:07 |
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| hrw | so what you do not understand? | 11:08 |
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| jacekowski | nokia is managing maemo port of flash | 11:09 |
| jacekowski | and they don't care about flash | 11:09 |
| jacekowski | nobody cares about flash | 11:09 |
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| ghostcube | woah gets time to not care about nokia i think | 11:10 |
| ghostcube | grml | 11:10 |
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| hrw | jacekowski: nokia is managing maemo port yes. but without new source drop from adobe they will not move to newer ver anyway | 11:10 |
| jacekowski | well, they everything required to do port | 11:10 |
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| hrw | shit. modest 3.4.8 crashes often | 11:11 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: clearly, we need to replace the kbd matrix | 11:27 |
| kerio | also good job | 11:27 |
| kerio | i'd give you karma on tmo but i can't be arsed joining that crap | 11:28 |
| jacekowski | no, you are looking for non existient problem | 11:28 |
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| kerio | is there a way to switch layouts like in the russian language? | 11:30 |
| kerio | i mean, will the ui realize that the layout i chose has 8 levels instead of 4 or do i have to move to a fake russian layout? | 11:31 |
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| pigeon | does anyone where are the IM logs stored on the n900? | 11:37 |
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| frals | ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*.db | 11:39 |
| pigeon | thanks | 11:39 |
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| * kirma has too much time on vacation and takes a too long look at talk.maemo.org | 11:53 | |
| Stskeeps | echo 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org > /etc/hosts | 11:53 |
| kirma | I wonder where the great burning interest and time of the trolls originate... | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | er, >> | 11:53 |
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| kerio | kirma: virginity, mostly | 11:56 |
| kirma | I sort of understand even most manners of apple fanboyism better than this "product I purchased (as I didn't know what I want) is crap (because it doesn't give me illusion of being part of a popular religion), and I continue to come here bashing it even after I switched to another" | 11:59 |
| kirma | everybody on the forum have to be listening because they're "angry" :I | 11:59 |
| kirma | </rant> | 11:59 |
| crashanddie | well, quite frankly, most people on tmo are worse than apple fanbois | 12:00 |
| crashanddie | heck, we're the worst of the bunch | 12:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, thanks for the script. Didn't use it though since there was some issues it caused. | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: not caring about flash is probably the best thing nokia has done in a long time | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: issues? | 12:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, yeah, it wasn't good idea to increase / decrease all font sizes with same amount. | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | haha | 12:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, and it also replaced some other values in the file that weren't supposed to be replaced :P | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | hey, I did what you asked :P | 12:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, yeah :) | 12:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, and big thank you for that :) | 12:03 |
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| phrearch | hello | 12:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, after toying around I realized I must increase / decrease the sizes unlinear and ended up doing it like this: http://www.pastie.org/1076958 | 12:03 |
| phrearch | im a new n900 user. is it possible to download directly from a repository with apt? | 12:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, but I learned something new from your script and will probably have other use for that kind of search & replace in the future. | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | phrearch, apt-get install $packagename | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: the advantage of awk is that it gives you full blown if/else conditions | 12:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, yeah. Didn't know awk before and googling that gave some new ideas. | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: and also, you can easily compare (== & !=), or parse strings (~) | 12:05 |
| phrearch | MohammadAG51: ah thanks! | 12:05 |
| mece | crashanddie, awk ftw! | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | awk is one of the better apps to know under unices | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | or, just do everything from python or perl :P | 12:05 |
| phrearch | hm, seems i need root access | 12:06 |
| kerio | i read about a network usage graph generator in bash and awk | 12:07 |
| kerio | i mean, an actual image | 12:07 |
| kerio | made with sed and awk | 12:07 |
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| kerio | and imagemagick | 12:07 |
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| kirma | phrearch: install gainroot from app manager and sudo gainroot after that | 12:08 |
| phrearch | kirma: thanks :D | 12:09 |
| kirma | or was it called rootsh | 12:09 |
| kirma | it's basically the first thing I did, so I can't remember the package name ;) | 12:10 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: i need flash to use some sides i need | 12:10 |
| phrearch | kirma: ill find it :) | 12:10 |
| ghostcube | so i cant say droping flash impresses me | 12:10 |
| phrearch | first ill remove all useless $ stuff in the menu | 12:10 |
| ghostcube | its kind of stupid to press flash out and pull vm8 and html5 in | 12:10 |
| ghostcube | cause wont work | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: yeah, because your usage is of such massive importance. | 12:11 |
| phrearch | hm, speaking of html5, is there a webkit browser for the n900? | 12:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | phrearch, tear | 12:11 |
| ghostcube | iam an tax consultant and yes all tax consultants in de need flash working | 12:11 |
| phrearch | D-Iivil_Work: cool, ill give it a try | 12:11 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | phrearch, I've used about all available browsers but I'll always return to MicroB. Allthough during the summer I've been using Opera since it has the "turbo" feature which speeds up the browsing @ 2G network. | 12:12 |
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| ghostcube | crashanddie: yes it is | 12:12 |
| phrearch | D-Iivil_Work: MicroB is mozilla right? | 12:13 |
| D-Iivil_Work | phrearch, yeah. | 12:13 |
| kerio | it's gecko, yeah | 12:13 |
| ghostcube | phrearch: midori | 12:13 |
| ghostcube | it uses gtk webkit port | 12:14 |
| phrearch | ghostcube, does that use v8? | 12:14 |
| ghostcube | #midori is the channel | 12:14 |
| kerio | ghostcube: huh? | 12:14 |
| phrearch | cool thanks | 12:14 |
| ghostcube | you would need to ask kalikiana the dev | 12:14 |
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| crashanddie | ghostcube: oh my bad, I forgot that the n900 was specifically marketed towards german tax consultants who need to watch porn | 12:14 |
| kerio | oh, a webkit browser | 12:14 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: youre just telling shit | 12:14 |
| kerio | and most porn sites work | 12:14 |
| kerio | i mean, i heard | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | kerio: hehe | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol crashanddie | 12:15 |
| ghostcube | i dont care if you like flash | 12:15 |
| ghostcube | i need flash for work here | 12:15 |
| ghostcube | and i dont care of your dummgelaber crashanddie | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1-800-NOKIA-RANT | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: can I? Please? Let me? | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, you can | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | :p | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: please don't insult me | 12:16 |
| ghostcube | you startet | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | and learn to spell, too. | 12:16 |
| ghostcube | lern doch mal deutsch | 12:17 |
| ghostcube | wie wärs damit | 12:17 |
| kerio | ghostcube: don't insult anyone you see the name on /cs access #maemo list | 12:17 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie | 12:17 | |
| mece | LOL | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | sheisse | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | hitler kaput | 12:17 |
| ghostcube | +c | 12:18 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:18 |
| kerio | godwin's law! | 12:18 |
| ghostcube | but near by | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: ich verstehe deutsch du schwein | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | and hande hoh | 12:18 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o crashanddie | 12:18 | |
| kerio | -ChanServ- 7 CrashandDie +votriA | 12:18 |
| mece | wtf? | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | that's all i can say in german | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | who the hell opped me? | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | die is all I know | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | lol, doc | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, | 12:18 |
| ghostcube | jungs um mich zu dissen müsst ihr aber früher aufstehen | 12:18 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm , kinder machen | 12:19 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@unaffiliated/ghostcube | 12:19 | |
| jacekowski | that's what i've learned as well | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: this is an english channel | 12:19 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o ghostcube | 12:19 | |
| crashanddie | -o ghostcube? | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | lol | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | when does a +q "expire"? | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | never | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | unless we remove it | 12:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's why i said "expire" | 12:21 |
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| mece | Lawyer: But what about that tattoo on your chest? Doesn't it say, "Die Bart, Die?" | 12:21 |
| mece | Sideshow Bob: No, that's German for "The Bart, The." | 12:21 |
| mece | :) | 12:22 |
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| ilius | i did setup in fstab to mount internal memoty (27 GB) in /data | 12:32 |
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| ilius | and disabled auto geneting (and replacing) fstab on boot | 12:32 |
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| ilius | then copyed /usr to /data | 12:32 |
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| ilius | and rename /usr | 12:33 |
| ilius | and linked /data/usr to /usr | 12:33 |
| ilius | but when i restarted my n900, it did not boot!!! | 12:33 |
| jacekowski | that's correct | 12:34 |
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| ilius | jacekowski: what? | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | it needs /usr to boot | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | and /data was probably on memory card? | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | or emmc? | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | or somewhere? | 12:35 |
| ilius | jacekowski: what is there that is needed before running /etc/event.d/rc-last.S ? | 12:36 |
| ilius | jacekowski: or somewhere that mount fstab devuces | 12:36 |
| phrearch | hm, gotta love all those apps available on the n900 :) | 12:36 |
| ilius | *devices | 12:36 |
| jacekowski | ilius: everything | 12:36 |
| ghostcube | phrearch: and cool printapp is missing :) | 12:37 |
| jacekowski | ilius: dsme,bme,mce | 12:37 |
| ilius | jacekowski: root itself is defined in fstab | 12:37 |
| phrearch | ghostcube: installing opendune atm :D | 12:37 |
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| ilius | jacekowski: root itself is defined in fstab? why it could be mounted but my custom folder (/data) could not? | 12:38 |
| jacekowski | no | 12:39 |
| jacekowski | root is not coming from fstab | 12:39 |
| ilius | i mounted it before | 12:39 |
| jacekowski | root is coming from kernel command line | 12:39 |
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| ilius | jacekowski: what can i do now? | 12:40 |
| ilius | i was expect a linux-like fstab system | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | ilius: It just means that root is mounted by the kernel earlier than your /data. | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | ilius: And during boot it probably needs things from usr which isn't mounted then? | 12:42 |
| ilius | X-Fade: it was in my mind that /usr on needed only for graphic and after all fstab devices mounted | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | ahahahaha... | 12:43 |
| ilius | *is needed | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | the US will never have Audi RS cars xD | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | immd | 12:44 |
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| jacekowski | who would want that crappy german cars anyways? | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | s/that/these/ | 12:44 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: who would want these crappy german cars anyways? | 12:44 |
| ghostcube | phrearch: you need to install rootsh from appman | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | audi RS are good cars mate | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | not really | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | ferrari is a good car | 12:44 |
| ghostcube | yep too expensive and not really funny | 12:45 |
| jacekowski | lamborghini | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | jacekowski: nope | 12:45 |
| kerio | bugatti veyron | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | nope the second | 12:45 |
| jacekowski | subaru | 12:45 |
| phrearch | ghostcube: got it | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | erhm... cars you can use on a daily basis | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | kerio: ack | 12:45 |
| jacekowski | kerio: that's german as well | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | subaru are pretty shit | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: hrhr full ack | 12:45 |
| kerio | ghostcube: RST! | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: lamborghini is german too | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | no | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | ilius: /usr is required during boot | 12:46 |
| ghostcube | italian | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: no it's not | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | it's italian | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | no, it is owned by audi | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | but manufactured in italy | 12:46 |
| ghostcube | the concern is audi -.- | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | from italian parts | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | and with italian hands | 12:46 |
| ghostcube | and faults | 12:46 |
| kerio | buy a prius | 12:46 |
| psycho_oreos | and hug a dtree | 12:46 |
| jacekowski | i never had problems with italian cars | 12:46 |
| psycho_oreos | s/dtree/tree/ | 12:46 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: and hug a tree | 12:46 |
| ilius | jacekowski: what can do now? | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | i want the new lotus | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | ilius: sit down and cry | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: head of design is Wolfgang Egger -- german enough for you? | 12:47 |
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| ilius | jacekowski: thank you | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | hmm, yep | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: its still an lambo -.- | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | i'm never going to buy lambo | 12:47 |
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| jacekowski | that leaves only lotus and ferrari | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | mclaren | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | :) | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | and ferrari regularly made very, very bad cars | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | or ugly | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Discussing your new company car? :) | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: nha | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | the last ferrari is ok not so large and strange | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: it's a french company, so I'll probably get a renault or peugeot :P | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | but the rally edition | 12:49 |
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| jacekowski | mclaren is owned by mercedes and that's german | 12:49 |
| ghostcube | peugeot 306 rcs | 12:49 |
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| ghostcube | jacekowski: but made with british fingers :D | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: drive a fiat, or a alpha romeo, and you'll understand the pain of italian cars | 12:50 |
| ghostcube | i wouldnt say much etter than italian fingers | 12:50 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: i do | 12:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I would take this: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Cuda-Orange-Front-Angle-sy.jpg | 12:50 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: my father has fiat | 12:50 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: and he never had problems with it | 12:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | In that color. | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: which fiat? | 12:50 |
| jacekowski | marea | 12:50 |
| ghostcube | focus rs 500 | 12:50 |
| ghostcube | but its sold out .-. | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: ok, so an old car -- I guess the old fiats were still OK. Though now, look at any recent bravo, stilo or punto (except for the fiat 500), and the electronics are absolute shit | 12:51 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I had a fiat once. | 12:51 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: there is an rs version of the fiat 500 | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: the sensor bus is shared amongst the whole car, so there's one bus, that drives every single sensor in the car | 12:51 |
| jacekowski | you don't buy italian cars for reliability | 12:51 |
| jacekowski | you buy them for the design | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: again, who gives a shit about an rs version of the 500? | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | have you seen this thing :D | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: oh yeah, like the fiat marea won design awards | 12:52 |
| jacekowski | but even though, well, it's quite reliable | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | 170 ps in this little car | 12:52 |
| D-Iivil_Work | '85 Ritmo Abarth 130TC. That was a good car. | 12:52 |
| crashanddie | ps? | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | hp | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | ps == hp in german | 12:53 |
| kerio | lol abarth | 12:53 |
| kerio | lame cars for poor people | 12:53 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, what's lol about that :D | 12:53 |
| kerio | buy alfa romeo if you want a sporty car | 12:53 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, dyno showed +200hp... | 12:53 |
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| pupnik | WHY, if android runs in a vm, is it not running in a vm on n900? | 12:54 |
| pupnik | Goodle CEO Eric Schmidt: "Android is selling on 200,000 phones per DAY now" | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | Pretty useless amount of power to transport one person, if you ask me :P | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | I mean, it's not difficult. Want a hot hatchback? Take a VW Golf. Want an ugly hatchback? Take a VW Sirocco. Want a family car? Mercedes Vitto. Want a good road car? BMW 5 series (maybe even M5 if you have the cash). Want a fun little car for the summer? Porsche Boxter S. Ze germans make better cards, end of the story | 12:54 |
| toggles_w | my monaro has 400hp ;-) | 12:54 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, well.. it was just a summer car for one summer almost right after I got my driving licence. | 12:55 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Nowadays I'm driving diesel-powered Opel :P | 12:55 |
| ghostcube | kerio: sure abarth, i think for man whos ladies want a sporty streetcar this is ok as birthday present | 12:55 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Sexy ;) | 12:55 |
| toggles_w | ghostcube: lol, i'm driving an alfa mito, you're correct ;-) | 12:55 |
| ghostcube | heh | 12:55 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Now the economy matters most when my trip from home to work is ~80km per side. | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: my first car was a golf 3 gt | 12:56 |
| kerio | i don't get the hype for italian cars | 12:56 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: igitt | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 12:56 |
| kerio | i mean, my brother has an alfa 147 | 12:56 |
| ghostcube | i meant bah, i hate golf ... | 12:56 |
| ghostcube | i made my driving license on such an damn golf | 12:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | There's a big savings between driving a fuel-powered vechile that takes 8litres / 100km or diesel car that takes 5-6litres / 100km :-P | 12:57 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | (diesel is cheaper in finland than regular gas) | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube: not a GT I expect ;) | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: diesel is cheaper all around the world :P | 12:57 |
| pupnik | D-Iivil_Work: how are the taxes on diesel vehicles | 12:57 |
| kerio | but it's not *that* good of a car | 12:57 |
| kerio | it's good, but... | 12:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | pupnik, about six times more than gas vechiles. | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | hmm nah it was an diesel but the vehicle is the same only 90 ps against 75 diesel ps | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:57 |
| crashanddie | kerio: well, a series one alpha is made out of plastic and all, so... | 12:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | pupnik, but that amount is saved if you drive more than 20.000km per year. | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | hp | 12:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | And last year I drowe 80.00km | 12:58 |
| pupnik | D-Iivil_Work: see, government can't stand to see anyone get a good deal | 12:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | pupnik, yep... | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: yeah hp sorry | 12:58 |
| kerio | Welcome to #sportscar | 12:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | 80.000km... not 80.00km | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | rather welcome to #topgearfornoobs | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | topgearfornoobs is cool | 12:59 |
| toggles_w | kerio: well, really, maemo is dead right? | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | best sportscar so far i had was an M3 BMW | 12:59 |
| Saviq | hi all, anyone got the N900 tethering with NetworkManager over Bluetooth? I have the Bluetooth DUN package installed and dund seems to be running, but adding the device in the bluetooth in GNOME does not add any connections to the list | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | toggles_w: no it ain't | 12:59 |
| toggles_w | i don't believe you | 12:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | And now I'd need to find a vechile where I can fit three children's safety seats to the backseats... | 12:59 |
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| jacekowski | Saviq: not supported | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | Saviq: use cable | 13:00 |
| kerio | D-Iivil_Work: fiat multipla! | 13:00 |
| kerio | :D | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | pan is well, | 13:00 |
| Saviq | jacekowski: isn't that what the Bluetooth DUN is supposed to do? | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | ahhh | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | dun | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | not pan | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | dun should work | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | kerio: woah thats so ugly | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | use cable anyways | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | it's faster | 13:00 |
| smooph | hi ... is it possible that my gps is not working very good because my headphone is broken? | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | Saviq: no | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | smooph: no | 13:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, never heard :D I was thinking about 1.9CDTi Opel Zafira (the 110kW version). | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | smooph: gps doesn't need headphones | 13:01 |
| kerio | ghostcube: and yet... | 13:01 |
| kerio | it's *fucking confortable* | 13:02 |
| kerio | i mean, it's huge | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | yeah but the front window | 13:02 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: told you, merco vito | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | and the rear lghts | 13:02 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, expensive. | 13:02 |
| kerio | ghostcube: original, or revision? | 13:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, and have no glue about merco | 13:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | 's diesel engines. | 13:02 |
| kerio | look at the original version | 13:02 |
| ghostcube | hmm | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: about 5 grand for a 100k km car | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | is there a difference? | 13:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, where?? | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: can probably do another 80-120k | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: well, those are the prices in france, dunno about whereever you might be | 13:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, it's a fucking van :D | 13:03 |
| kerio | ghostcube: the first one has a... tooth | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah, but trust me, your kids will be comfortable | 13:04 |
| kerio | right below the front window | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: and you can make more babies in the back, and your wife can actually give birth in the back seat | 13:04 |
| pupnik | have any of you gotten mobile hotspot working on n900? i can connect to the device but the NAT / packet forwarding doesn't work | 13:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, just looking the finnish markets... and Vito that's driven ~100.000km costs between 12.000-30.000 EUR... | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | ouch | 13:04 |
| pupnik | buy a Lada | 13:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, here's an example: http://www.nettiauto.com/mercedes-benz/vito/3333803 | 13:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, price: 34.900e | 13:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | :P | 13:05 |
| crashanddie | damn | 13:05 |
| smooph | what else could be the reason that my gps sucks ? | 13:06 |
| pupnik | http://www.delta.fi/lada/ | 13:06 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, I was thinking of making trip to Estonia and getting this: http://eng.auto24.ee/used/750050 | 13:06 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Just need to first test how the safety seats will fit in... | 13:06 |
| kerio | smooph: do you have a registered sim? | 13:07 |
| kerio | i mean, do you have signal? | 13:07 |
| kerio | that helps *a lot* | 13:07 |
| smooph | jup | 13:07 |
| kerio | with a clean sky with no obstacles, and mobile data my gps fixes in 10 seconds | 13:08 |
| kerio | or even less | 13:08 |
| smooph | I have to go for now but will be back later ... i will contact you | 13:08 |
| kerio | don't | 13:08 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | :D | 13:09 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: you just made a friend! | 13:09 |
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| alterego | Just took me 40 seconds for a cold lock | 13:11 |
| alterego | but I'm in doors :) | 13:11 |
| pupnik | the GPS software SUCKS ASS because you can't enter a KNOWN POSITION and get a fast lock | 13:11 |
| pupnik | you need the stupid SIM | 13:11 |
| phrearch | hm aptitude is not installed on the n900, how do you search for apps? | 13:11 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search | 13:11 |
| phrearch | pupnik: ok thanks | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: your position is not important | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: for a fast lock | 13:12 |
| alterego | pupnik: we could request the agps app from the N8x0 .. | 13:12 |
| pupnik | jacekowski: please explain how AGPS is improving lock times | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: it downloads ephemeris data from internet | 13:13 |
| crashanddie | hence, the position is important | 13:13 |
| alterego | jacekowski: and needs you rough position to know what to look for | 13:13 |
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| pupnik | so it knows which satellites are overhead? | 13:13 |
| pupnik | ahha... ty much jacekowski | 13:13 |
| crashanddie | the whole point about having the sim is that you get the tower's GPS loc to get the nearby sattelites | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | with ephemeris data knowledge of position is not important | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | well, not that much important | 13:13 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: i can enter my gps location by HAND | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: i know, not countering what you said | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | ephemeris data is critical to get fast lock | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | rough location helps, but alone is useless | 13:14 |
| pupnik | thanks for making me less ignorant jacekowski | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: which is what AGPS did on Diablo | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: you pinpointed your rough whereabouts, and it woudl download the data for the GPS | 13:16 |
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| jacekowski | n900 downloads full ephemeris data | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | so it knows orbits of all satellites | 13:17 |
| alterego | crashanddie: pinpoint and rough in the same sentance? :D | 13:17 |
| crashanddie | alterego: well, yeah, you had to place a pin on a map of the world... | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | and unless you have very bad signal, phone can get idea what satelites are overhead in less than second | 13:17 |
| * lcuk never installed agps on n810, but just held device up and prayed to the skygods | 13:17 | |
| crashanddie | alterego: which in my book, is pinpointing roughly. | 13:17 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I don't remember seeing a graphical indication of where I clicked, but its been a while since I used it :) | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: n8x0 probably relied on almanach data, which require more calculations and if it has rough idea where it is then it can only calculate data for nearby satellites | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: ah yes, that rings a bell, almanach | 13:19 |
| lcuk | alterego, it was part of agps extra package | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | n900 relies on emphemeris, which is simpler to use | 13:19 |
| phrearch | ehm, how do you add repositories to the n900? /etc/apt/sources.list seems empty | 13:19 |
| flux | phrearch, with hildon package manager. but the (generated) sources lists are at sources.d directory as well. | 13:20 |
| lcuk | phrearch, open ham and set the repositories from there | 13:20 |
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| phrearch | ok thanks | 13:20 |
| flux | hm, s/package/application/ | 13:20 |
| pupnik | ok, ham is definitely going on tonight's pizza, curse you lcuk | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: if phone has valid ephemeris data it can lock to satellite as soon as signal is usable | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: with only almanac data it has to get ephemeris from satellite | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | and accurate time is important for a fast lock | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, lol | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | WTF | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | neopwn is selling N900's with the stuff installed | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | NeoPwn v2 :: N900 + 16GB | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | N900 + 16GB (Class 10) microSD pre-loaded with complete Neopwn v2 | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | $750 | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | well, we can just buy it and then request sources of a driver | 13:28 |
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| flux | btw, I recently bought a 16GB class 2 microSD and benchmarked it with bonnie: input and output is 13M/s and 6M/s, respectively | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | still slower than builtin emmc | 13:31 |
| lcuk | flux, whats the benchmarks for the main partitions | 13:31 |
| flux | lcuk, can't run it, because bonnie requires at least physical memory * 2 capacity | 13:31 |
| flux | some other benchmark would likely work, though | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: from the website "You agree not to resell, re-export, or ship, directly or indirectly, the tools provided in our products in any form without obtaining appropriate export or re-export licenses from the United States government. The fees and costs to obtain such approvals and consents shall be paid by You." | 13:31 |
| flux | or, I could run it, but the results would likely not be meaningful | 13:32 |
| flux | btw, file creation performance: 17 files per second :) | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: so? | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: driver is GPLed | 13:32 |
| phrearch | weird, i cant seem to login onto my facebook account from the n900 | 13:32 |
| lcuk | flux, running it with the same ceiling for all partitions (ie a smaller test everywhere) should get more meaningful stuff | 13:32 |
| flux | (but I'm suspecting it might be wrong, because it apperas it did only 16 files) | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: he won't comply | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: the guy just wants to make a profit | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: actually, I'm tempted to buy it, and then put the image on torrent | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | well, then he will have to go to court | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | gpl has been proved valid in court | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | and who would go to those lengths? | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | EFF | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: buy it | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I'll repay you (the $50 version) as soon as I get my paycheck | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | or GAN900 | 13:34 |
| frals | wow tweego is brilliant, white text on white background :| | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | i would buy it but well, 21 days delivery | 13:34 |
| lcuk | gtfo, this is your crusade | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: no, 21 days shipping! | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: so he needs up to 21 days before he even sends it | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | I'm actually tempted to tip the IRS to his sales | 13:35 |
| lcuk | what are you guys so against anyway? | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | the guy promising free downloads, and then selling it for massive profit | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | somebody put a lot of work in neopwn | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | no he didn't | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | and he wants to make some money on it | 13:36 |
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| jacekowski | and crashanddie has a problem with it | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | I have no problem with people making money | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | I do have a problem with people inventing stupid excuses and bad foresight | 13:36 |
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| crashanddie | the guy keeps moaning and bitching that he has no time, and received no help from the community. He never asked for help, and doesn't allow it when it is offered. | 13:38 |
| lcuk | i see nothing wrong with paying for installation media of free software, so yeah once you get it follow the gpl all you want | 13:38 |
| lcuk | i asked lbt to get usb stick of mer at one point | 13:39 |
| * lcuk is happy to pay for prepackaged software :) | 13:39 | |
| lcuk | (mer for joggler) | 13:39 |
| frals | shame ovi wont take python apps or i would see how much i could rake in on from fmms! | 13:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, so the fact there is usb stick + n900 isnt silly, its astute | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: oh, I'm fine with the N900 + uSD card being sold | 13:40 |
| frals | there is a lack of sources available thou | 13:40 |
| lcuk | there is no product until you buy it though | 13:41 |
| lcuk | anyway | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | frals: how much do you want to bet that he'll charge you for the sources? | 13:41 |
| lcuk | i am going to other places | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | lol... The IRS Whistleblower Office pays money to people who blow the whistle on persons who fail to pay the tax that they owe. If the IRS uses information provided by the whistleblower, it can award the whistleblower up to 30 percent of the additional tax, penalty and other amounts it collects. | 13:42 |
| phrearch | hm weird, i use the same facebook auth on the n900, but it fails there every time | 13:42 |
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| MohammadAG51 | frozen-bubble's awesome | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: you must be new around linux? | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, i'm just playing cross platform :p | 13:44 |
| frals | anyone using tweego on the n900 and can confirm im not the only one getting white on white in inputfields? :\ | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | N900 vs laptop | 13:44 |
| ghostcube | frozen bubble rox the controlling lags a bit :D | 13:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ghostcube, sdl, can't accelerate that using the powervr afaik | 13:46 |
| MiXu- | Where am I supposed to put nameservers in ubuntu? it says in resolv.conf not to manually edit it | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, you're the only one | 13:46 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: ah ok | 13:46 |
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| ghostcube | hmmm the only problem i have with cupsd is it doesnt install any ppd files | 13:47 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:47 |
| ghostcube | hmmm | 13:47 |
| smooph | kerio: hey I use the gps when I go for a run with the running software ecoach | 13:47 |
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| smooph | but last couple of weeks I ether get no gps lock or only very low signal strength | 13:48 |
| ghostcube | oh, i got an idea, if i copy the ppd file from my ubuntu box, it shopuld work in cups on n900 or? | 13:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, where's noobmonk3y | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~seen noobmonk3y | 13:50 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 1h 3m 35s ago, saying: 'akshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :)'. | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | DDUUUUUUUUUUUDES | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDES | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | I HAVE A FUCKING JOB | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | w0000000000000000000000000000000000t | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | CONGRATULATIONS YOU FUCKING BASTARD | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | :p | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | and who are you going to fuck? | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~rape crashanddie | 13:55 |
| * infobot takes crashanddie behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 13:55 | |
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| smooph | you guys are sick ... WallMart rly? | 13:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | congrats crashanddie. | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | sorry for the caps, thanks SpeedEvil | 13:58 |
| frals | grats | 13:59 |
| ghostcube | hmmm congrats, but what is the job? | 13:59 |
| frals | may we know where? :) | 13:59 |
| ghostcube | and woah i found the solution for my driver problem with cups | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | Nokia HQ, he's coming for ya frals | 13:59 |
| ghostcube | iam so stupid | 13:59 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | ghostcube, porting cups? | 13:59 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: doh :< | 14:00 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: he wont find me at nokia hq though, so i guess its ok! | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, trust me, he will | 14:01 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: na get it to work only | 14:01 |
| ghostcube | i didtn read the side 5 in the maemo.org thread | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | cups didn't build for me | 14:01 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 14:01 |
| ghostcube | there are cups packages in devel | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | ghostcube & frals: C++ dev on a VoIP app for major telco comps | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | really? | 14:02 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: yep no joke | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | congrats crashanddie | 14:02 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: oi | 14:02 |
| * MohammadAG51 waits for crashanddie to exploit and listen to VoIP calls | 14:02 | |
| crashanddie | lmao | 14:02 |
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| crashanddie | so I'm going from security consultant to c++ dev, why not | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | never knew you knew C++ | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | my condolences :p | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | hmmm c++ is an bastard | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | crashanddie: hmm, then you could work on an "better"voip app for maemo | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | :D | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | kill skype | 14:03 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | skype won't die any time soon | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | and it's not bad for a closed source POS | 14:04 |
| ghostcube | i knew, i use it too :D | 14:04 |
| ghostcube | just an start for crashanddie | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | i still use it | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | it's server-side voip, not client | 14:04 |
| ghostcube | oh | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | I used gizmo5, but it failed | 14:04 |
| ghostcube | i had tried ekiga | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | failed as in no one uses it | 14:04 |
| ghostcube | shame on this | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, no one I know | 14:05 |
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| ghostcube | the only thing that drives me nuts with skype is, its not working from n900 to linux :| | 14:05 |
| ghostcube | video call | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | works for me :p | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | n900 to linux with vid call? | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | :O | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | how | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | n900 to symbian works too | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | w/ fring on symbian though | 14:06 |
| ghostcube | -.- fring sux | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | i know | 14:07 |
| petteri | video calls with jabber work nicely to any platform | 14:07 |
| ghostcube | ;( | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, hmm, if pulseaudio was fixed, does that mean the recharge battery sound won't be machine gun-ny? | 14:08 |
| ghostcube | noone of my friends uses jabba | 14:08 |
| petteri | maybe it is time to educate them then :) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | ghostcube: google talk is jabber too, you know | 14:09 |
| chem|st | people I need help! I'd like to delete this thread... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 but I shouldn't | 14:09 |
| ghostcube | Stskeeps: yeah but now i must tell you 10% of my freinds uses any google account | 14:09 |
| chem|st | can some of you at least try to slow them down? n00bs helping n00bs screw up their system... | 14:09 |
| phrearch | hm, adduser doesnt work on the n900, and setting a root pw doesnt seem wise | 14:09 |
| phrearch | i want to ssh into the n900, but therefor it needs a password | 14:10 |
| phrearch | preferably a new user | 14:10 |
| phrearch | ah useradd | 14:10 |
| chem|st | phrearch: useradd | 14:10 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 14:10 |
| phrearch | thanks :) | 14:10 |
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| phrearch | hm, added the user, su'd into it, but passwd returns that the pw cant be changed | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | phrearch: setting the root pw shouldnt be a problem... just don't use god, love or something alike | 14:12 |
| phrearch | ok, i guess openssh has root login disabled by default | 14:13 |
| phrearch | so its not a problem | 14:13 |
| chem|st | phrearch: useradd --password ********* | 14:13 |
| chem|st | ah you mean root | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | the openssh client/server package at least requires you to set a root password on install | 14:14 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: thats what I thought | 14:15 |
| chem|st | but one out of three times it didn't ask me | 14:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | odd | 14:16 |
| chem|st | yeah but it setup right so I was able to root'in and set it by hand | 14:16 |
| phrearch | gotcha. im in :D | 14:16 |
| chem|st | phrearch: to have most of the DOS and stuff bots not reach your ssh door you may change the port in the config (needs sshd restart) | 14:17 |
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| phrearch | chem|st: yea probably a good idea | 14:18 |
| phrearch | wifi seems to be a bit unstable | 14:19 |
| chem|st | I am around in public IP ranges, my servers stop complaining via watchdog that +1k ssh-knocks with wrong password happened if I change the port to elsewhere | 14:19 |
| chem|st | phrearch: it is wifi... | 14:19 |
| phrearch | well, even then... | 14:20 |
| chem|st | what's wrong with your wifi? | 14:20 |
| phrearch | status indicator has 2/10 while the router is 3 meters from me | 14:20 |
| visz | fail2ban should work on n900? | 14:20 |
| visz | automatically bans ssh-knockers with iptables | 14:20 |
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| chem|st | phrearch: have you turned of powersaving? | 14:21 |
| chem|st | off | 14:21 |
| phrearch | aha no | 14:21 |
| chem|st | phrearch: some routers have problems with powersaving devices | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | visz: why would you want that? | 14:22 |
| chem|st | and drop connection quiet often | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | visz: is your password that insecure, or is your SSH forwarded on the web? | 14:22 |
| visz | misread | 14:22 |
| phrearch | ok, got it disabled for this wlan | 14:22 |
| visz | but on servers though, why wouldn't i use fail2ban? | 14:22 |
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| chem|st | visz: doesn't work that way! the ssh knocks come in random same IP all about weeks not seconds, so would you like to ban every wrong entered password? | 14:23 |
| phrearch | wow, much better :D | 14:23 |
| visz | i have different experience | 14:23 |
| chem|st | phrearch: whats your router and if custom which fw | 14:24 |
| visz | 5 wrong passwords -> ban the ip | 14:24 |
| phrearch | ehm, a linksys adsl router | 14:24 |
| chem|st | model? | 14:24 |
| visz | today already got about 5 bans | 14:24 |
| phrearch | ehm WAG54G2 | 14:25 |
| chem|st | visz: I changed the port and don't need any fail2ban anymore... | 14:25 |
| phrearch | with default firmware | 14:25 |
| visz | i also use fail2ban against sip-scanners | 14:25 |
| visz | sip vicious is quite malevolent in wrong hands | 14:26 |
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| phrearch | hm no mysql available? | 14:26 |
| visz | it's stateless, so it doesn't wait for a reply before sending another register attempt | 14:26 |
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| visz | easily gets asterisk-server on its knees | 14:27 |
| chem|st | phrearch: what you want a mysql server for? | 14:27 |
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| chem|st | visz: there it is handy but not for my ssh-port... | 14:27 |
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| phrearch | chem|st: want to run a webserver on it | 14:28 |
| phrearch | twisted or the like | 14:28 |
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| ghostcube | phrearch: there is lighthttpd | 14:29 |
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| phrearch | ok cool | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | phrearch: have fun I opt out | 14:29 |
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| phrearch | yea, dling the debian img now | 14:30 |
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| phrearch | this is the best toy in years | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | phrearch: you mean in decades... | 14:30 |
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| phrearch | yea, it's awesome. a complete linux box on a phone with all hightech stuff included | 14:31 |
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| phrearch | any good python lib for accessing the gps? | 14:31 |
| baraujo | phrearch, try python-location :) | 14:32 |
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| phrearch | baraujo: ah thanks! | 14:33 |
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| kerio | wallmart? | 14:40 |
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| kerio | biggest wall store in the usa? | 14:40 |
| ghostcube | hmm, anyone gets kep back packages for an dist-upgrade on apt-get? | 14:41 |
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| ghostcube | sdl mixer and so claims upstart needs this and this | 14:41 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought dist-upgrade bootlooped phones | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | or maybe just used to | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | still does in my experience | 14:42 |
| kerio | what does dist-upgrade do? | 14:42 |
| kerio | also yeah, libsdl-mixer1.2 conflicts with a fremantle metapackage | 14:42 |
| ghostcube | ah ok :) | 14:42 |
| ghostcube | iam used to use apt-get cause iam old debian user :D | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | till now i never had probs so far | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | :) | 14:43 |
| ghostcube | i dont like grafical app installers on any debian base, cause you have dpkg and apt | 14:43 |
| alterego | What's not to like about graphical installers? | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | its just faster | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | apt-get install , apt-cache search | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | apt-cache policy | 14:45 |
| ghostcube | its all you need | 14:45 |
| alterego | Erm, faster than what? | 14:45 |
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| ghostcube | than the grafical installers | 14:46 |
| alterego | A graphical wrapper for apt will run just as fast as apt | 14:46 |
| haltdef | silly command line elitists | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | alterego: HAM is slow | 14:46 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: and it's mere wrapper as well | 14:47 |
| alterego | It's a poorly written wrapper :P | 14:47 |
| ghostcube | fapman gets better but refreshes too often the lists | 14:47 |
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| ghostcube | one time should be enough | 14:47 |
| alterego | And I only find it slow whilst atteempting to index the packages. | 14:47 |
| pupnik | that faster app manager is a godsend | 14:48 |
| ghostcube | eh? | 14:48 |
| alterego | ghostcube: it has to index the installed packages everytime something is installed. | 14:48 |
| ghostcube | sure but why refresh for remove and then for install | 14:49 |
| ghostcube | should be the same still | 14:49 |
| ghostcube | you dont have this trouble on commandline | 14:49 |
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| alterego | Just incase some fool like you uses the command line :P | 14:49 |
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| crashanddie | "A Michigan man credited his dog with saving his life by chewing off his diseased big toe as he lay passed out in a drunken stupor." | 14:49 |
| alterego | woof .. | 14:50 |
| ghostcube | alterego: :P | 14:50 |
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| ghostcube | btw alterego ofcourse of the elektronik music guys or niothing to do with it | 14:51 |
| alterego | ghostcube: seriously though, why don't you try and write a reliable appliation manager around apt and see how well yours compares with others :P | 14:51 |
| mece | hey | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | alterego: simple answer? | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | i cant code | 14:51 |
| ghostcube | rofl | 14:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | alterego: doesn't HAM use dpkg rather than apt? | 14:51 |
| alterego | crashanddie: not sure. | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | alterego: so there is a good possibility that they completely screwed the queries | 14:52 |
| alterego | I'd imagine it uses a bit of both | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't use apt-get | 14:52 |
| kerio | well, duh | 14:52 |
| mece | apt-worker | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | it uses a fucked up tool called apt-worker | 14:52 |
| kerio | no frontend uses apt-get | 14:52 |
| kerio | yeah, they use apt-worker | 14:52 |
| pupnik | apt-make-you-wait-and-suck-battery-er | 14:52 |
| kerio | or just dpkg, like aptitude | 14:53 |
| alterego | Ah yes, apt-worker | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | aptitude works k on the | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | n900 | 14:53 |
| * MohammadAG murders enter key | 14:53 | |
| crashanddie | some people are fucked up | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | how can this happen in this day and age: "A Malaysian state is to allow Muslim girls under the age of consent of 16 years to wed in a bid to stem unwed pregnancies, angering the country's women's activists and politicians." | 14:53 |
| alterego | Talingt of keys, myn new laptop keyboard got shiped yesterday :) | 14:54 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: now what? | 14:54 |
| kerio | ^j? | 14:54 |
| crashanddie | Politician: "We can't stop the girls from getting raped and pregnant" Supporter: "Allow them to wed, j/k" Politician: "That's brilliant! PRESS CONFERENCE" | 14:54 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I wondfer how many muslim women at 16 actually have kids :/ | 14:54 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: you left out the important part: which state | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: Malaca | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | Malacca | 14:55 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: aptitude works o.O never tried on n900 | 14:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.tripbase.com/Flights_to-Malacca_Malaysia.html | 14:55 |
| ghostcube | less is a cool addon for installing :D | 14:55 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, re: HAM - patches welcome. | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | well, on bbc there are series "undeage and pregnant" | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | and there are loads of girls that get pregnant at 13 | 14:56 |
| ghostcube | hmm why isnt anybody porting synaptic or kpackagekit :D | 14:56 |
| ghostcube | jacekowski: in england teeny birth rate is high, afaik | 14:56 |
| ghostcube | wrong moralic intentions | 14:56 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: 1.2% in Malaysia, 5.2% in Indonesia | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | yep, not as high as in some other countries | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, re: re: HAM - don't know C, is --- hildon-application-manager +++ fapman an acceptable patch? | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | somewhere to south of europe | 14:57 |
| alterego | crashanddie: so, basically f'all :) | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | ghostcube, I already ported synaptics | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm not going to point precisely because i would get banned for being racist | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | never uploaded it though | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | aptitude works without the GUI | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | alterego: true, but that doesn't make the law right | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI works, but making it apply changes segfaults | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: aptitude has ncurses gui | 14:58 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, no - fapman is not a drop in replacment for ham and only covers some of the scenarios that HAM manages | 14:58 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG: woot? | 14:58 |
| ghostcube | where to grab it? | 14:58 |
| ghostcube | ah ok never uploaded | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | well | 14:58 |
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| MohammadAG | my i5 went down, and it's on it | 14:58 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 14:58 |
| kerio | lcuk: huh? | 14:58 |
| kerio | like? | 14:58 |
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| kerio | installing, removing and updating things? | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | SSU, .install, ovi | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | ovi can be handled, use my modified apt package | 14:59 |
| lcuk | backup app restoration | 14:59 |
| alterego | crashanddie: making it law doesn't make people do it, they're not forcing. | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | can be parsed | 14:59 |
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| MohammadAG | it's plain xml | 14:59 |
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| kerio | ovi sucks ._. | 14:59 |
| ghostcube | hehe yeah a bit | 14:59 |
| alterego | Also, muslim women are under more pressure from their family and the communityover gov't. | 14:59 |
| ghostcube | btw safari opened for addons and extensions | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | Ovi uses a repo with apps in user/hidden, E: Handler Silently Failed is an error that shows when installing from that section | 15:00 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I was just saying, with such a low percentage, why bother? | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG | for paid apps, ovi uses debs | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going for a shower... then going to see my future employer! 'Later | 15:00 |
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| phrearch | hm, Enhanced Linux kernel for power users conflict with maemo kernel | 15:04 |
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| ghostcube | phrearch: dont use it | 15:07 |
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| phrearch | ghostcube: ok, its bad then i guess | 15:07 |
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| phrearch | i was looking for an easy way to overclock it | 15:07 |
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| ghostcube | oha | 15:08 |
| ghostcube | dont start the OC war | 15:08 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 15:08 |
| phrearch | heh, sensitive subject then | 15:08 |
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| TermanaN900 | phrearch, please put 20 or so clocks on top of your n900 | 15:09 |
| ghostcube | yeah, iam wondering no one barked after you wrote the oc word | 15:09 |
| TermanaN900 | overclocked n900 | 15:09 |
| ghostcube | aha :D | 15:09 |
| phrearch | heh, i'll leave it for now then | 15:09 |
| kerio | the power kernel is not just for overclocking | 15:10 |
| kerio | also ext3/ext4, ntfs, nfs, samba shares, wifi mesh, iptables with nat | 15:10 |
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| ghostcube | nah but i dont get the profit for normal use? is there any, except you can use some kernel plugins more? | 15:10 |
| kerio | ghostcube: MobileHotspot | 15:10 |
| ghostcube | oh ok thats a reason | 15:10 |
| phrearch | isnt that usable with the stock kernel? | 15:11 |
| kerio | phrearch: nope | 15:11 |
| kerio | you need iptables to NAT | 15:11 |
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| mece | hey, how does one go about in getting the latest scratchbox if I have the old one? Is it enough to do some apt-get magic within scratchbox? | 15:11 |
| phrearch | so, but the power kernel conflicts with the regular one | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | I use the power kernel | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | with overclock.diff removed from debian/patches :P | 15:11 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG: you are not an normal user | 15:11 |
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| ghostcube | :P | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | I have it compiled w/o overclocking xD | 15:11 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: i just use the stock settings ._. | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, sometimes i get tempted to overclock, and having it there makes it easy to oc | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | shitty will, if you will | 15:12 |
| kerio | lol | 15:12 |
| alterego | Moamjust isn't normal. | 15:12 |
| ghostcube | heh | 15:13 |
| alterego | MohammadAG isn't normal .. | 15:13 |
| alterego | :) | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | I know, timeless approves of that (he said it in a comment on bugzilla xD) | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | no | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | he said I was unreal :P https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9478#c2 | 15:14 |
| povbot | Bug 9478: Browser takes time to open first page immediatley after closing browser | 15:14 |
| phrearch | hm, just installed the deb img install, but openoffice says its failed to mount it | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 15:16 |
| * MohammadAG chroots into RST38h and executes apt-get moo | 15:16 | |
| RST38h | 404 | 15:16 |
| ghostcube | lool ding the same here | 15:17 |
| ghostcube | :D | 15:17 |
| ghostcube | damn the n900 cant do moo? | 15:17 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 15:17 |
| ghostcube | such a shame | 15:17 |
| kerio | huh | 15:17 |
| kerio | they removed the super cow powers? | 15:17 |
| kerio | :O | 15:17 |
| kerio | FUCKING NOKIA | 15:18 |
| ghostcube | yeah | 15:18 |
| ghostcube | :D | 15:18 |
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| TermanaN900 | thats a lie | 15:23 |
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| kerio | whew | 15:24 |
| TermanaN900 | apt-get moo works fine. and if my text selection werent playing up id prove it :P | 15:24 |
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| ghostcube | my apt-get moo : not found | 15:25 |
| chadi | photos don't auto-rotate anymore between portrait and landscape | 15:25 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 15:25 |
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| chadi | neither do other apps like blubbels and mappero | 15:26 |
| ghostcube | TermanaN900: you did it in an N900 ? | 15:26 |
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| Termana | ghostcube, yes | 15:31 |
| Termana | as root | 15:31 |
| ghostcube | me too | 15:31 |
| ghostcube | strange | 15:31 |
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| Termana | mine does it as non-root too, so the "as root" part was worthless :P | 15:32 |
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| Termana | Lazy way of disconnecting my n900 from IRC without touching it :P | 15:34 |
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| phrearch | hm i get an error all the time with debian apps :( | 15:36 |
| phrearch | Mount failure for debvian-m5-v3d.img | 15:36 |
| kerio | debvian? | 15:37 |
| kerio | i bet *that* is the problem | 15:37 |
| phrearch | no, that was my type mistake | 15:37 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, importer down? | 15:38 |
| ghostcube | lol Termana mine does it only in bash3 non root | 15:40 |
| ghostcube | as root it didnt work lol | 15:40 |
| Termana | ghostcube, heh, thats strange :P Mine works perfectly fine in the default busybox terminal and as root or not :P | 15:41 |
| ghostcube | hmm maybe its my bash3 installation then | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | executing "root" or sudo gainroot opens a busybox shell | 15:42 |
| ghostcube | any idea what cost me 20 mb of free space on my rootfs | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | you need to start the whole bash shell as root to be root in it | 15:43 |
| ghostcube | sudo gainroot in bash 3 opns busybox sure but in this shell i cant use apt-get moo | 15:44 |
| ghostcube | :) | 15:44 |
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| MohammadAG | it doesn't want to moo, sheesh take a hint | 15:44 |
| Termana | :P | 15:44 |
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| alterego | Hrm, we don't have a colour or a font picker .. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | who is we :p | 16:09 |
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| alterego | Heh, shuddup :P | 16:10 |
| alterego | Qt for maemo5 | 16:10 |
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| alterego | And for the 100 millionth time, I'm not going to use liqbase :P | 16:10 |
| lcuk | thats fine by me | 16:11 |
| lcuk | theres at least 2 color selectors in qt | 16:11 |
| lcuk | one which looks like mine | 16:11 |
| lcuk | and another which looks a bit different | 16:11 |
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| alterego | I was thinking something maemo specific. | 16:12 |
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| alterego | But I'll have to use the Qt one I guess :P | 16:12 |
| lcuk | then there are certainly color select dialogs | 16:12 |
| lcuk | alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras | 16:13 |
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| elysion_ | hi! | 16:29 |
| elysion_ | anyone know how to display custom images in notifications using the hildon-notify lib? | 16:29 |
| ghostcube | woah google is willing to pay money for prefering their network traffic? | 16:29 |
| ghostcube | bad | 16:29 |
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| luke-jr | ghostcube: there's only so much bandwidth | 16:30 |
| ghostcube | you read the articel? | 16:30 |
| luke-jr | you didn't link one | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/technology/05secret.html?_r=2 | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | ups | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | lol | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | sorry | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pay by the byte is the only sane model IMO | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consumer/2010/06/ofcom-opens-debate-on-net-neutrality/ - _everyone_ in the UK - please respond to this. | 16:34 |
| luke-jr | different QoS flags should represent different bids ;) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes - and a micropayment per packet architecture would be great. | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love to be able to setup an AP with a price per packet. | 16:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Same with my phone. | 16:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | The price per packet climbs steeply as battery runs out, or as my monthly quota nears. | 16:35 |
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| luke-jr | I was just thinking paying extra to get VoIP packets prioritized | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | That too. | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | well, priorities are not important if network isn't overloaded | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | and that should be target | 16:40 |
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| jacekowski | network that delivers packets with constant delay just because it can | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: every network is overloaded at some point in time | 16:41 |
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| luke-jr | IMO the problem is how you bill for prioritized traffic | 16:42 |
| luke-jr | and it opens a can of worms on multiple levels | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | network should be capable of taking any load | 16:43 |
| luke-jr | suddenly people will be trying to get peers to route through them, in hopes of getting such packets | 16:43 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: don't be silly | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | i mean seriously | 16:44 |
| pupnik | http://zomgitscj.com/2010/08/05/game-gripper-for-the-nokia-n900-grip-it-like-youre-playing-it/ game gripper finally for n900 | 16:44 |
| luke-jr | there's no point putting in terabit routers if only 100mbit is used on a regular basis | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | if you have isp that has 100000s of customers | 16:44 |
| pupnik | http://zomgitscj.com/2010/06/06/the-nokia-n900-finally-launches-in-india-we-just-sat-there-blinking/ n900 finally available in India :) | 16:44 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: isp is not going to have problem with that | 16:45 |
| luke-jr | packet prioritization is not an ISP-level thing | 16:46 |
| luke-jr | it's primarily relevant on backbones | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | backbones should be capable of handling that load | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | if you take a look at traffic at internet exchanges | 16:47 |
| jacekowski | it's very close to constant during a day | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | and end-user ISPs are basically people paying to share a single pipe | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | in which case the ISP has no business charging for priority | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Also with shared end-nodes. for example sharing 3G or wifi | 16:47 |
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| * noobmonk3y prods frals | 17:25 | |
| muelli | hm. my SDK doesn't download stuff anymore :-( wget can't resolve names, the browser in the Xephyr window can though.very strange. Any ideas as to what's wrong? | 17:25 |
| * MohammadAG throws a frals at noobmonk3y | 17:26 | |
| MohammadAG | I ~seen | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | 'd you today | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | DAMN ENTER KEY | 17:26 |
| * noobmonk3y giigles | 17:26 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 17:26 |
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| * noobmonk3y has been in bed for almost a week after pulling 2 back muscles :( | 17:26 | |
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| noobmonk3y | hows #maemo been? :) | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | :( | 17:27 |
| * noobmonk3y kicks fmms - mef still cant get it to work :( | 17:28 | |
| noobmonk3y | meh* | 17:28 |
| frals | oi | 17:28 |
| frals | you suck | 17:28 |
| frals | ;) | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | he learns from the best :P | 17:28 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 17:28 |
| slonopotamus | huh | 17:28 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: what error you getting and what settings are you using on what operator? ;) | 17:29 |
| frals | hmm 1730 already, should go home soon | 17:29 |
| noobmonk3y | Voda uk, no error at the mo - omfg | 17:29 |
| noobmonk3y | it worked | 17:29 |
| noobmonk3y | on havoc mode only | 17:29 |
| noobmonk3y | took a v long time though! | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | things always work when frals is around | 17:29 |
| lcuk | hiya noobmonk3y \o | 17:29 |
| noobmonk3y | hey hey, hows you lcuk? | 17:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh frals... i was dloading a picture msg from last month! - probably expired! | 17:30 |
| noobmonk3y | the new pic msg worked fine | 17:30 |
| lcuk | good and tired | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | frals: have you considered rewriting fmms in real programming language? | 17:30 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwww as per usual then! | 17:30 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: tis takes a long time, its setting up a context with your apn and what not ;) | 17:30 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: and month old messages are most likely gone from server yes ;) | 17:31 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: you're talking about haskell, right? | 17:31 |
| noobmonk3y | darn vodafone - it was sleezy porn from my best mate too lol (In sweden) | 17:31 |
| frals | jacekowski: python is a real language! but considered and decided against it because it would be huge effort | 17:31 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, frals moved from sweden now :P | 17:31 |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: C | 17:31 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: hehe | 17:31 |
| lcuk | get him to resend sleazy stuff :P | 17:31 |
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| jacekowski | frals: python is interpreted piece of crap | 17:32 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: yup i know - gonna harrass him when i goto helsinki next year if i get round to planning it! | 17:32 |
| slonopotamus | rare case, but i +1 to what jacekowski said :P | 17:32 |
| * noobmonk3y lols | 17:32 | |
| frals | jacekowski: yeah, but tis good enough for fmms.. the gui would benefit some from a rewrite but the backend isnt that slow | 17:33 |
| Lynoure | Python is nice for some things, but not for others :) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | i dont mind python, its the bloated libraries and slowdowns more than anything | 17:33 |
| lcuk | it needs a kick up the backside | 17:33 |
| frals | .. and parsing the received mms for a bit longer is ok since the user wont notice it ;) | 17:34 |
| Surfa | what user can't see doesn't matter | 17:34 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if frals receives a copy of each message fMMS gets | 17:34 | |
| Surfa | that's quite useful principal | 17:34 |
| frals | exactly ^^ | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | jk :P | 17:34 |
| frals | MohammadAG: scch | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | nice timing <frals> exactly ^^ | 17:34 |
| frals | ;D | 17:34 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks he doesnt... his phone would be forever going into havoc mode and causing havoc tbh | 17:34 | |
| lcuk | N900 Viking edition | 17:35 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: this delivered to my mail, data payed by user *evilgrin* | 17:35 |
| frals | s/this/tis/ | 17:36 |
| infobot | frals meant: noobmonk3y: tis delivered to my mail, data payed by user *evilgrin* | 17:36 |
| noobmonk3y | lols! | 17:36 |
| frals | ;D | 17:36 |
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| frals | would be funny to sneak that in to a release and see if qa catches it | 17:36 |
| frals | ;) | 17:37 |
| frals | (no i wont :P) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | the QA wouldn't catch an rm -rf if it hit them in the face | 17:37 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: i think it filters out all pics without boobs | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:37 |
| frals | yeah its why the ui is so slow, the boob detection algo is a monster | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | frals actually .. it should be a reasonable tweak to bullseye detection code I have knocking around somewhere :P | 17:40 |
| frals | lol | 17:40 |
| lcuk | filtered to skin tones might be quite effective! | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | can it detect trout skin tones? | 17:40 |
| Yoann512 | lol | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | s/lol/blabla/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | Yoann512 meant: blabla | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | :p | 17:41 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks... trout skin tone... sounds fishy to me....... | 17:41 | |
| Yoann512 | funny | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | test a test b test | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | s/test/ok/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | Yoann512 meant: ok a test b test | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | test a test b test | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | s/test/ok/g | 17:41 |
| infobot | Yoann512 meant: ok a ok b ok | 17:41 |
| Yoann512 | :pp | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | Haha, I'm officially employed again :D | 17:42 |
| lcuk | that requires MiniNose2000 (MN2000-MIL - military spec digital nose) addon for the n900 | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | congrats again crashanddie | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | Man it felt good signing those 18 pages worth of contract :D | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | did you read the fine print? | 17:43 |
| flux | has anyone noticed microsd card getting stuck? that is, operations on the card seem to never finish | 17:43 |
| flux | (on n900) | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | it states you need to sign up for MyNokia | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | flux nope | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | but the hildon file manager gets stuck | 17:43 |
| flux | hmm, actually it might be just that screen got stuck :) | 17:44 |
| flux | (now that, after repeating the issue, I finally investigated..) | 17:44 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: hehe | 17:45 |
| flux | yep, looks like that.. oh well. it's the fastest way to debug, ask someone. | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the fine print also said you're ma bitch :P | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, oh we'll see about that :P | 17:46 |
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| noobmonk3y | right bath time - back in agony again :( | 17:48 |
| alterego | So why did qwerty suddenly get a bee in his bonnett? | 17:48 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: a hive of bee's :) | 17:49 |
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| alterego | Yes, and by bonnett I mean pants :) | 17:49 |
| noobmonk3y | haha ;) | 17:49 |
| alterego | I don't get why people are getting so worked up in this community. | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, cause you're part of it | 17:49 |
| alterego | Oh, | 17:50 |
| * alterego sees a future where #maemo is just himself | 17:50 | |
| MohammadAG | don't forget ChanServ | 17:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, and I'll never have ops :) | 17:51 |
| Termana | alterego, OMGWTFBBQ!!! THE N900 TITS FULL OF BUGS AND SUXORS. NO APPS TAT OHLLL!!!111!!!! | 17:51 |
| Termana | /sarcasim | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, sometimes you make me want to killall X | 17:51 |
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| Termana | !ops GetPaidforFre's Faggotry. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | ooh | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | meh | 17:53 |
| * MohammadAG backspaces | 17:53 | |
| alterego | Me and ad bots | 17:53 |
| alterego | and chanserv | 17:53 |
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| crashanddie | Termana: that doesn't work | 17:54 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, hmm, I guess I can just say the OC word to get ops attention next time | 17:55 |
| Termana | :P | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | Termana: just PM anyone in the /cs access #maemo list | 17:55 |
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| alterego | So, who's the French villian he moans of? | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | alterego: me | 17:59 |
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| Zucca | Anyone have any nice trick to sort D-pins of USB host port without disassembling the device? I hav Li-ion battery pack with USB port and I need to sort these pins, but this battery pack hasn't got any screws and I don't want to go into glueing... | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | sort the pins? | 18:01 |
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| crashanddie | there's only two, I can only imagine you sorting it in two ways: D+ and D- | 18:01 |
| Zucca | Yes. D-pins together. | 18:02 |
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| Kegetys | short them from a cable | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | oh, you mean "short" | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | need to find the reason my N900's boottime sucks | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: your brain is on overdrive? | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | on rock band, yeah | 18:04 |
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| crashanddie | Zucca: sacrifice a USB cable, cut it, and short the wires in it | 18:04 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:05 |
| alterego | Bored .. | 18:05 |
| Zucca | Yes. Short. :P I've always thought that is was "sort" not "short". :D | 18:05 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, n900 an hero, its the only solution to slow boot times! | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, +6 minutes is just too much | 18:06 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, you think your boot time is bad | 18:06 |
| Termana | Look at my ping time | 18:06 |
| Termana | Ping reply from hubbard.freenode.net: 52.84 second(s) | 18:06 |
| Zucca | I think it waits for something and after 5mins it times out. | 18:06 |
| Termana | :D I have no clue why it was that. Now its 1 second | 18:07 |
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| Zucca | Yay! Another finn! | 18:07 |
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| slonopotamus_ | MohammadAG: why you reboot it at all? | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | slonopotamus_, hmm, well | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | let's think of a few reasons | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | battery sucks | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | battery sucks | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh and, battery sucks | 18:08 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, CAUTION: Battery prone to blowing | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: OC will rescue you :D | 18:09 |
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| slonopotamus | Termana: battery sucks until it blows? | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | it's called a blow-job | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:11 |
| Termana | :P | 18:11 |
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| th3hate | what is n900's color depth? | 18:20 |
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| th3hate | 65k or 16m? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | x11 uses 16bit, but the diplay is capable of greater depth (and Xvideo YUV mode uses it) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | that's actually a good question | 18:21 |
| alterego | Didn't realize there was a meego sdk | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | i see the depth differences when I switch between YUV and X11 RGB | 18:21 |
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| th3hate | what on earth is Xvideo YUV mode :P? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | th3hate, the video overlay | 18:23 |
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| th3hate | can i switch to that mode? | 18:25 |
| th3hate | i wanna see the difference | 18:25 |
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| alterego | th3hate: does it automagically for video | 18:25 |
| th3hate | when i play a video it switches to 16m? | 18:26 |
| alterego | The desktop and games wont use yuv, it's generally only used for video playback | 18:26 |
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| alterego | Yes | 18:26 |
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| th3hate | can we trick the screen to make it think device is playing vid all the time :P | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | th3hate, the layout of pixels and color format is completely different | 18:29 |
| th3hate | why can't maemo use all the 16m? | 18:30 |
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| th3hate | is it a limit that nokia put? | 18:30 |
| th3hate | or driver problem? | 18:30 |
| alterego | The question is probably why doesn't :) | 18:30 |
| lcuk | th3hate, choice, where is it a problem specifically? | 18:30 |
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| th3hate | if screen is capable of viewing 16m why it doesn't? | 18:31 |
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| alterego | yprobably memory | 18:31 |
| Zucca | Whoa. I opened my battery pack now. Damn plastic clips. Although I didn't broke any. :) Now I can short the pins. :) | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | th3hate: cos 24bit is more tough on memory size and takes longer time to pass around | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | ie, less performance | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | at very little benefit | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | th3hate, never said 16m, but the pain of updating 33% more data per frame isnt worth it most of the time | 18:32 |
| th3hate | some old crappy nokia device like 6120 shows 24bit | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | th3hate: yeah, but their resolution is quite lower too | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | th3hate, sure, at what resolution? | 18:33 |
| alterego | heh | 18:33 |
| * lcuk should type faster :P | 18:33 | |
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| th3hate | 320x240 | 18:33 |
| th3hate | afaik | 18:33 |
| alterego | th3hate: why does it matter anyway? Are you just being a bpp junky? :P | 18:33 |
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| th3hate | nah just wondering | 18:34 |
| th3hate | wait | 18:34 |
| th3hate | iphone uses 16m | 18:34 |
| th3hate | :P | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | at a lower res | 18:34 |
| th3hate | but resolution is crappy | 18:34 |
| lcuk | th3hate, since the n900 is 4 times as much - i bet that phone would not handle full speed at that res | 18:34 |
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| th3hate | well iphone4 is 960x620 or something | 18:34 |
| th3hate | and 16m | 18:35 |
| alterego | faster cpu, more memory | 18:35 |
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| th3hate | 1ghz cortex A8 | 18:35 |
| th3hate | not much of a difference | 18:35 |
| th3hate | n900 can be oc'd too | 18:35 |
| alterego | It's almost twice as fast | 18:35 |
| Zucca | Without increasing voltage to 900MHz. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Sure, do it then :P | 18:36 |
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| alterego | Zuuccvaries from device to device and that's not the point. At stock settings, recommended by TI and how Nokia designed the N900, it's 6/10 the speed ... | 18:37 |
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| th3hate | ideal mode has increased or decreased voltages? | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | th3hate: decreased (on same freqs as vanilla) | 18:38 |
| th3hate | ideal is stable at 1100Mhz | 18:38 |
| elysion_ | is there any good reference documentation for hildon? | 18:38 |
| lcuk | also there are many other things, but iphone4 isnt so fast | 18:38 |
| lcuk | its just optimised well | 18:38 |
| Zucca | Mine has been stable running on 1100MHz. | 18:38 |
| alterego | And doesn't run as hard | 18:38 |
| lcuk | and makes good use of the rendering pathway | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: indeed | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | Zucca: has been? | 18:39 |
| elysion_ | am trying to show notifications, but have a hard time finding any api documentation | 18:39 |
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| alterego | elysion_: libosso | 18:39 |
| elysion_ | alterego: isn't that for dbus interfacing? | 18:39 |
| GAN900 | Hahah | 18:40 |
| Zucca | slonopotamus: Or is, I haven't ran my N900 on 1,1GHz for long... | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | "Ideal" | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Talk about a good way to kill your device | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | Whether it's "stable" or not has nothing to do with whether you're killing it. | 18:40 |
| th3hate | queen beecom ftw | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | no, not again | 18:40 |
| th3hate | only oc when needed | 18:40 |
| Zucca | Damn... The solarpaner is glued on the USB port solderings... | 18:40 |
| GAN900 | elysion_, libnotify. | 18:40 |
| alterego | Zucca: play angry birds or zenbound for 4 hours a day and come back in a couple of weeks :P | 18:40 |
| Zucca | *solar panel. | 18:40 |
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| Zucca | alterego: I guess I don't want? | 18:41 |
| lcuk | elysion_, plenty, one such link straight from google http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.hildon/api_refs/5.0/hildon/index.html | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/ | 18:43 |
| alterego | Zucca: that's not the point, you should be able to without jepodising your device. You can't any serious strain, like watching video or playing games, mypaint whatever, will kill your device very quickly at those speeds. | 18:43 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 18:43 |
| alterego | Zucca: not to mention, you're lucky you can make it go that fast, a lot of people start getting issues before that speed. | 18:43 |
| alterego | Anyway, overclocking is a boring subject ... | 18:44 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo | 18:44 |
| Zucca | alterego: This is the case of electromigration? | 18:44 |
| alterego | Sure, why not. | 18:44 |
| Zucca | alterego: I've read that 900MHz is safe limit... I guess I shoul set it to max 850MHz... | 18:44 |
| Zucca | Isn't that what ideal sets? | 18:45 |
| th3hate | yep 500-850 | 18:45 |
| alterego | Then you've not read the important docs, that says 600 is the safe limit ... | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | let one more useless OC discussion begin | 18:45 |
| Zucca | slonopotamus: I'm already done. ;) | 18:46 |
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| th3hate | slonopotamus, can you suggest another subject..? | 18:46 |
| alterego | Thank god for that :) | 18:46 |
| elysion_ | lcuk, GAN900: I'm trying to display a notification with hildon_notification_new(...), but the problem is that I am not able to set the icon for the notification | 18:47 |
| alterego | I wrote an app that I saw on android, that just displays a lame scrolling message in a look similar to a LED display | 18:47 |
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| alterego | Tnough, unlike the android version you can change font and colours. | 18:48 |
| alterego | Useless toy app to increase my karma *cough* I bet qwerty is spinning in his grave. | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | alterego: he left maemo, but he ain't dead just yet. | 18:49 |
| elysion_ | oh, trying to create a qt application, so I guess using HildonBanner, HildonNote or HildonCaption could be a bit difficult as the application is not a Gtk application | 18:50 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: he's dead to me :P | 18:50 |
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| alterego | elysion_: you can still use 'em | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I should probably get on. talk to you later folks. | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | yeah, piss off :P | 18:51 |
| MiXu- | I've run my PC OCd for three years now with no issues. Just saying that with any luck you might be able to run N900 at 900MHz for years. | 18:51 |
| MiXu- | But it's no use crying about it if you fry your device :) | 18:52 |
| th3hate | years? probably not | 18:52 |
| th3hate | months maybe | 18:52 |
| th3hate | i've been running it on 850mhz for 5 months, all good so far | 18:53 |
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| th3hate | but im sure it may just turn off any second :P | 18:53 |
| elysion_ | alterego: any guesses why the icons are not showing with hildon_notification_new? | 18:53 |
| elysion_ | the notification displays just fine | 18:53 |
| elysion_ | was looking for the documentation for that api so that I could check what the parameters are | 18:54 |
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| crashanddie | I'm actually tempted to ban overclocking discussions from #maemo. Those who want it know it exists, and those who don't shouldn't. | 18:55 |
| crashanddie | And the only thing we hear is always "Moo, mine is running at 15terrahertz omg lol wtf" | 18:55 |
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| elysion_ | alterego: currently I have "tasklaunch_media_player" as the third parameter and "media" as the fourth, but it still does not display the icon | 18:56 |
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| elysion_ | http://pastebin.com/7NGMkBR4 | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | I've never heard any substantiated proof that the overclocking actually brings anything useful to the phone (other than the psychological buttplug that people get from it) | 18:56 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: I think he left | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | err | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | elysion_: I think alterego left. | 18:56 |
| elysion_ | oh :/ | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | < alterego> Anyhow, I should probably get on. talk to you later folks. | 18:56 |
| elysion_ | aa | 18:56 |
| elysion_ | ok | 18:56 |
| elysion_ | danr | 18:56 |
| elysion_ | *darn | 18:57 |
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| elysion_ | hard to believe that there is no documentation for the api :( | 18:57 |
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| GAN900 | Fools | 18:57 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: what API? | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | Because your Core 2 is overclocked, doesn't measn you can overclocked your N900 safely. | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | Slashdot having 4 dupes, nice: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3585/screenshot20100805at175.png | 18:58 |
| elysion_ | Venemo: documentation for the hildon_notification_new function | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | "Well, I turbo charged my Subaru to 400HP no problem, so clearly my Geo will do twice the HP easy, too." | 18:59 |
| Venemo | elysion: I can help you with that. | 18:59 |
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| elysion_ | Venemo: nice :) | 18:59 |
| Venemo | elysion_: are you creating a mainly Qt-based or a mostly Gtk-based application? | 19:00 |
| elysion_ | qt-based | 19:00 |
| Venemo | elysion_: you are lucky. :) | 19:00 |
| elysion_ | tried also the QMaemo5InformationBox class, but that looked all different | 19:01 |
| Venemo | elysion_: I did all the hard work for you | 19:01 |
| Venemo | elysion_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54815 | 19:01 |
| Venemo | elysion_: that is a bit old source code, I have since updated it somewhere | 19:02 |
| elysion_ | Venemo: that looks nice :). will dig into it, thanks! | 19:03 |
| Venemo | elysion_: just hit the Thanks! button for good ol' Venemo! :P | 19:03 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: that code only uses libnotify. later I updated it to use hildon-notify | 19:04 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: if you have 15 minutes, I can hand you the updated source | 19:04 |
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| elysion_ | Venemo: sure | 19:06 |
| Venemo | elysion_: although if you don't need to call a D-Bus method when the notifications are clicked, this stuff will be enough for your needs | 19:06 |
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| elysion_ | Venemo: might be that I will need to | 19:07 |
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| Zucca | Soldering done. Tested. Works like a charm. \o/ | 19:09 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: if you want your app to do anything when the user clicks on the bubble, you will need it. | 19:09 |
| elysion_ | ok, well, then I definately need that | 19:10 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: you'll need to familiarize yourself with QtDbus at least a little bit for that | 19:13 |
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| elysion_ | Venemo: have used it in another project | 19:14 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: okay :) | 19:15 |
| Venemo | elysion_: I was thinking about creating a signal-slot wrapper for it, but I decided to stay with the simpler implementation | 19:16 |
| elysion_ | if it works then simple is just fine :) | 19:17 |
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| elysion_ | Venemo: hey, nice, the example already displays an icon :) | 19:19 |
| Venemo | elysion_: yep, that is supported by libnotify itself | 19:19 |
| Venemo | elysion_: if your app has an installed icon, that's fine for this stuff, too | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: the example uses some default icon, if I remember correctly | 19:20 |
| elysion_ | yeah | 19:20 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, you submitted latest liqbase stuff to ubuntu repos? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | and screenshots of liqcalendar on x86 12" touchscreen please | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | errr not screenshots, photos | 19:21 |
| lcuk | (hold your tablet against the wall please..) | 19:21 |
| elysion_ | Venemo: any idea where the libnotify searches for the icons? | 19:22 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: in the exact places where you should put your icons for your .desktop files | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | elysion_: /usr/share/pixmaps works for me | 19:23 |
| elysion_ | aa, ok | 19:24 |
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| * RST38h wonders what mischief to commit tonight | 19:49 | |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: build a DVB audio hijacker, that allows you to remix messages in the audio stream of your neighbours | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | no dvb-t here | 19:51 |
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| phrearch | hm, is there a repo for mono? | 19:51 |
| phrearch | for the n900 that is | 19:51 |
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| phrearch | whats the difference between fremantle and diablo? | 19:54 |
| RST38h | diablo is for n800/n810 | 19:55 |
| RST38h | fremantle is for n900 | 19:55 |
| phrearch | aha ok cool | 19:55 |
| RST38h | fremantle uses a newly broken gtk+, supports unified messaging, cell phone, etc | 19:55 |
| RST38h | fremantle is finger oriented while diablo is stylus oriented | 19:55 |
| Corsac | newly broken? | 19:55 |
| Corsac | what did they do again? | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Corsac: Many things, starting with dialog box layouts | 19:56 |
| Corsac | oh I took that “newly” for “recently” | 19:56 |
| RST38h | broken since diablo that is | 19:56 |
| Venemo | it is not broken, just optimized for finger use | 19:57 |
| phrearch | bah, somehow if i try to apt-get install from the console it always returns that it cant lock | 19:58 |
| Corsac | HAM running? | 19:58 |
| phrearch | ham? | 19:58 |
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| Corsac | application manager | 19:58 |
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| phrearch | no dont think so | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | start end quit HAM | 19:59 |
| phrearch | im in the desktop now without apps opened. logged in from another machine and trying apt there | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | start and quit HAM | 19:59 |
| Corsac | as root? | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Venemo: it is broken for god know what reason | 19:59 |
| RST38h | finger use it is not, | 19:59 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: okay, in what sense is it broken? :) | 20:00 |
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| phrearch | Corsac: ehm, logged in as another user, then sudo gainroot | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or root | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | id? | 20:01 |
| phrearch | if i try to su root from the ssh user, it returns su: must be suid to work properly | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | siply "root" | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | short for sudo gainroot | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Venemo: wasteful use of screen estate | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Venemo: incompatibility with generic Gtk+ dialogs | 20:02 |
| Venemo | RST38h: well, the first argument is a matter of opinion. | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: various small differences from default widget behaviour that require tweaking code specifically for fremantle | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: It is not | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox has no proper su | 20:03 |
| phrearch | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/246402/ | 20:03 |
| Venemo | RST38h: I can't talk about the second one, though | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | Venemo: Simply check how much empty space a fremantle dialog has | 20:03 |
| Venemo | RST38h: for that matter, this applies to Qt, too | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Venemo: No "opinion" there | 20:03 |
| * RST38h has no preference between qt and gtk+, so no holy war here | 20:04 | |
| Venemo | RST38h: any application needs to be tweaked to work correctly | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | , are you root? | 20:04 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Not really. | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is id saying? | 20:04 |
| Venemo | RST38h: the more advanced stuff does | 20:04 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Again, not really | 20:04 |
| phrearch | uid=30004(jeroen) gid=30006(jeroen) | 20:04 |
| RST38h | Depends on how it is written and what it does | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: please execute "id" | 20:05 |
| Venemo | RST38h: well, if you wanna show the menu of a QMainWindow, it is only achieveable by a hack | 20:05 |
| RST38h | There are many cases when people recompiled gtk+ apps for diablo with hardly any changes and the stuff was perfectly usable | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not exactly root 0, this jereon 30006 | 20:05 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Sorry, I am not familiar with Qt hacking. Generally trying to avoid hacks in my code. | 20:05 |
| phrearch | indeed, but sudo should work? | 20:06 |
| ZogG | hey everyone | 20:06 |
| Venemo | RST38h: its show() method is simply not working on Maemo, without any real explanation about why | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: try execute 'root' | 20:06 |
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| phrearch | DocScrutinizer: no result | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: are you sure you installed pkg rootsh | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 20:07 |
| phrearch | yes, i got that one installed | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Well, as I said, Nokia is breaking things left and right | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 20:07 |
| RST38h | Venemo: But you should take it to Qt Mobility people | 20:08 |
| Venemo | RST38h: it is not part of Qt Mobility | 20:08 |
| ZogG | phrearch sudo gainroot ? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh root@127.0.0.1 | 20:08 |
| Venemo | RST38h: on #qt-maemo they said that this is by design, period. | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: see pastebin | 20:08 |
| Venemo | RST38h: I didn't wanna aruge about whether it is broken or not, just wanted to know why do you think it is :) | 20:08 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, where? | 20:08 |
| phrearch | yea, same locally on the n900 and from the remote ssh | 20:09 |
| ZogG | phrearch try to uninstall it and than install again | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: I bet yu're not ssh to N900 | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: that's other machine | 20:10 |
| phrearch | ah wait, it works locally but not remotely | 20:10 |
| ZogG | phrearch, when you get root youll see some msg or at least you'll have # instead of $ | 20:10 |
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| phrearch | yea, when i login, i get into busybox | 20:10 |
| Khertan_ | Hi guys ! | 20:10 |
| * Khertan_ is fightinh the QListView | 20:10 | |
| * Khertan_ is fighting with the QListView | 20:11 | |
| phrearch | weird thing is that gainroot seems to work properly from local, but not from ssh | 20:11 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: what is your issue? | 20:11 |
| phrearch | id returns root locally, but sshed from another user it fails | 20:11 |
| ZogG | the paste is from local or eremote? | 20:11 |
| Venemo | phrearch: SSH as root, problem solved | 20:11 |
| RST38h | Heya Khertan | 20:11 |
| ZogG | phrearch, maybe you have to config ssh =) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: that's other machine | 20:12 |
| RST38h | When apt-get install prints "Ign" for a repository, what does it mean? | 20:13 |
| phrearch | Venemo: i wanted to prevent that since it requires me to set a pw for root. i dont know if that results in weird results in maeo | 20:13 |
| phrearch | maemo | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: do 'ls' | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Sorry, apt-get update? | 20:13 |
| Khertan_ | Venenom i didn t understand the concept and the purpose :) | 20:13 |
| Khertan_ | Venenom i wanted to display a list of tweet with their icon | 20:13 |
| Khertan_ | in a QListView but in fact it doesn t look like the best widget to do that | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: there's no uid=30004(jeroen) gid=30006(jeroen) usually on maemo | 20:13 |
| Venemo | phrearch: it doesn't result in anything bad | 20:13 |
| Corsac | RST38h: that it doesn't need to update because the local repository is up2date | 20:13 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: I'm not "Venenom", but I can help you :) | 20:14 |
| phrearch | DocScrutinizer: no i made that user so i can login from my remote linux box | 20:14 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 20:14 |
| crashanddie | 200000 new android devices every day | 20:14 |
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| phrearch | if i login with that user, gainroot just seems to fail, thats why it reports the locking thing. just not sure why su root fails | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Corsac: so that is ok, nothing to worry about? | 20:15 |
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| Venemo | phrearch: well, if you log in with root, you don't need gainroot anymore | 20:15 |
| Khertan_ | ah sorry the n900 keyboard miss a tab ( and a larger display) | 20:15 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 20:15 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: feeling threatened or what? | 20:15 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: np. | 20:15 |
| phrearch | Venemo: i want to prevent adding a root password | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phrearch: haha :D sure this user jereon has rights to do gainroot in /etc/sudoers? | 20:15 |
| phrearch | sorry, food | 20:15 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: not threathened, just amazed | 20:15 |
| Corsac | RST38h: yep | 20:15 |
| Venemo | phrearch: yes, but why? | 20:15 |
| phrearch | DocScrutinizer: good one! | 20:16 |
| phrearch | ill check | 20:16 |
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| phrearch | sorry, brb | 20:16 |
| Khertan_ | crashanddie : 200000 brick every days sold ? | 20:16 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: no, manufactured. | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: it is the new WinMobile | 20:16 |
| Khertan_ | Venemo : If i want to display a list of tweet with there icon and text ... what is the better qwidget to use ? (no qwebkit isn t a real widget :)) | 20:17 |
| Khertan_ | s/there/their | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | andridiot, pfffffrrrt | 20:18 |
| Corsac | what concerns me the most about android is the need to associate it to a google account | 20:18 |
| Khertan_ | qt doc lack of picture of the widget in QtGui | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | most amazing thing about andridiot is it works and sells *nevertheless* | 20:18 |
| Corsac | I think there's no way to use it without that | 20:18 |
| Khertan_ | Corsac: like for an iphone ... | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | weel, just like google desktop search did | 20:19 |
| Khertan_ | but they ask also for a credit card on iphone | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well* | 20:19 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: you need a google account for the iphone? | 20:19 |
| Corsac | :) | 20:19 |
| RST38h | Doc: so did winmo | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 20:20 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: the same thing concerns me about itunes | 20:20 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: well, a bit more since I don't have a way to run itunes | 20:20 |
| RST38h | Corsac: do not buy and use apple products nd you won't have this problem | 20:20 |
| Corsac | RST38h: that's the point, you know? | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sell - yes. Work? Nooooooo, buddy, nooooo | 20:21 |
| Corsac | RST38h: I was just saying that the stuff which concerns me first and make me not want to buy an android or an iphone (despite their potential technical merits) is that need to associate to google account or itunes | 20:21 |
| RST38h | true | 20:21 |
| RST38h | Corsac: Google account I can more or less tolerate | 20:22 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: you could use QListWidget | 20:22 |
| Corsac | why should I need to register for a mail account which I won't use? | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Corsac: But there is no way I am joining the jobsian cult. These people are weird at best, mentally sick at worst | 20:22 |
| Corsac | well, mail and everything :/ | 20:23 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: but #qt-maemo is a better place for this | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | even *I* have a google account. And I checked 1 week ago, it didn't expire in the 2 years I forgot about it :-P | 20:23 |
| Corsac | yeah, I have a google account too (not associated to a gmail account), but I don't really use it either | 20:23 |
| Corsac | but maybe there are some android-related services which make sense to be associated to an account | 20:23 |
| Corsac | I just don't know them, tbh | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_, same applies for qt as it did for gtk and as it does for other stuff | 20:24 |
| Corsac | and the fact that I need to associate before even being able to use the phone is a bit scary | 20:24 |
| lcuk | find a custom renderer that does what you need | 20:24 |
| lcuk | (facebrick afaik has a nice list with pics and text ..) | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, maybe I can sync N900 to >>>gooogle<<< :-o | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 20:25 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: it depends on how much of a custom look you want to have | 20:25 |
| Mece_ | i frackin hate google. I'm not sure why though. | 20:25 |
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| Venemo | Mece_: because they are evil | 20:26 |
| Venemo | Mece_: I hate them, too | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | how do you feel about Apple, Venemo? | 20:26 |
| Mece_ | Khertan_, Qlister uses a QListWidget. It's pretty custom. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 tricked me into testing that wave thing (hate him for that :-P ) | 20:26 |
| Venemo | mgedmin: they are just greedy | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not really) | 20:27 |
| Mece_ | Venemo, I hate google because people don't seem to understand how evil they are, and google pretend to be not evil, whereas apple are pretty upfront about their evilness. | 20:27 |
| Venemo | Mece_: agreed | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Mece_: ack | 20:28 |
| Venemo | Mece_: Google steals and deceives people wherever they can | 20:28 |
| Mece_ | how do I autocomplete irc nicks in xterm on N900? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mece_: try shift-space | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and guess you meant xchat? | 20:29 |
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| Mece_ | yeah. but it didn't work with shiftspace | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then config prefs-hotkeys to do nick completion on shift-space :-) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lmgtfy err pastebin for you, err | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | .xchat2/keybindings.conf | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | S | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | space | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Complete nick/command | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | D1:Up | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | D2! | 20:32 |
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| Mece_ | wtf? ok.. hold on. | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Mece_: STOP!! xchat | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i.e. quit it | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | then edit above said file | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | with editor of your choice | 20:35 |
| Mece_ | ok.. | 20:35 |
| Mece_ | and? | 20:35 |
| Mece_ | should I add the lines you wrote? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | find S\nspace | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if not there then add, to end of file maybe | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if S\nspace is there, then edit | 20:36 |
| Mece_ | there is no s space. only regular space. | 20:36 |
| Mece_ | ok so then I add. | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch upper/lower case! | 20:37 |
| Mece_ | yeps | 20:38 |
| Mece_ | ok brb. | 20:38 |
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| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, didn't work. | 20:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if mece has gotten the bit about *first* quitting xchat, *then* editing file | 20:39 | |
| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, I got it. well I edited, then quit, then saved. | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok. *maybe* should have worked then | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that file is mega critical with format | 20:40 |
| Mece_ | ok, brb again. | 20:41 |
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| Mece_ | feck | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xchat writes back config on egular quit | 20:41 |
| Mece_ | some typo or something... | 20:41 |
| Mece_ | got an error | 20:41 |
| Mece_ | hold on. | 20:41 |
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| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, buggerit. no error, but it doesn't work either. | 20:42 |
| RST38h | HP Lovecraft Historical Soc.Dagon Tabernacle Choir - Mi-Go We Have Heard On High | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Mece_: the xchat "preferences, advanced, keybindings" config dialog is fubar, but you *can* use it as well for that | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I did, with success | 20:43 |
| Mece_ | ok.. checking | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mece_: probably you should find "Complete nick/command" in keybindings.conf and *edit* that entry, rather than add a new one | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use menu in xchat :-P | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's like the 12th entry from beginning, at least for me | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you an tell from details at bottom, while jumping down the highlighted line one by one | 20:46 |
| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, yay! | 20:47 |
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| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, oh didn't notice that last message but got it working anyway. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ¸o/ | 20:48 |
| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks. | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 20:48 |
| Mece_ | whats the downspeed limit on this thing on 3G? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, and never do shift-vol+, it segfaults XP | 20:49 |
| Mece_ | XP? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 20:49 |
| Mece_ | :D | 20:49 |
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| GAN900 | 10.2 | 20:50 |
| GAN900 | Should say on the back | 20:50 |
| GAN900 | Or did at one point. | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure says somewhere in general specs in web | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I get 150kbytes/s max | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | here | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | which reminds me. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like mediocre EDGE | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seen my edits? | 20:51 |
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| mgedmin | wait, edge can't do more than 25 kB/s | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | n | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: feel fee to move to Hardware_keyboard or whatever you feel might look better that what I did | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to make another pass throughthe lot of docs. | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it'll never be 'finished' :-D | 20:53 |
| Mece_ | GAN900, well then I've got good speed here. Torrented linux mint 9 kde edition live dvd with 900kb/s average :) | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but.. | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: DAMN GOOD WORK! | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | who the f*** assigns QA testers? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Nokia should have paid you for that. In the end it would have been *their* damn duty to do that | 20:54 |
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| GAN900 | Speed is still way more network dependent. | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohla GAN900 | 20:56 |
| toggles_w | MohammadAG: that would be me | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | seriously? | 21:00 |
| toggles_w | no | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~trout MohammadAG | 21:00 |
| * infobot slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout! | 21:00 | |
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| MohammadAG | ~kill DocScrutinizer | 21:00 |
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| mgedmin | 3G (UMTS) can do up to 1.5 Mbit/s, 3.5G (HSPA) can do up to 7.5 Mbit/s | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | IIRC | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't it 7.2? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | speedtest.net shows 8.5 xD | 21:01 |
| mgedmin | 150 kbytes/s looks like 1.5 MBit/s to me | 21:01 |
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| mgedmin | yeah, wikipedia says 7.2 Mbit/s for HSDPA, typically, although some places can do up to 42 Mbit/s (wow) | 21:03 |
| mgedmin | my data plan is 0.5 Mbit/s ... | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dudes... | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a head | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | HSPA, max. Datenübertragungsgeschwindigkeit 10 MBit/s (Herunterladen)/2 MBit/s (Hochladen) | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&cache=-1666254496§ion_id=562&culture=de-DE | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | German? | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | Who reads German? | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I do | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | me? | 21:04 |
| GAN900 | Dirty liars. | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you're free to vivit shop.nokia.com | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: you're american, that's a synonym for "mono-linguistic" | 21:05 |
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| mortini | and apparently not a chrome user :) | 21:05 |
| mortini | the auto-translate thing is neat. | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | hey i found out how to get rid of a lot of n900 noise in dark pics - pull down the curve of the blue.... | 21:06 |
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| pupnik | i guess that's a bit obvious, but it works nicely | 21:06 |
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| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, what was the good work Speedevil did? | 21:08 |
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| crashanddie | Mece_: cocksucking | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wiki/Hardware_* | 21:09 |
| Mece_ | crashanddie, nice. | 21:09 |
| crashanddie | Mece_: you have no idea how nice :D | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: stfu and take Ur pills | 21:09 |
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| crashanddie | Muwhahahaha | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: lemme put it that way: what was *your* great contribution to the community - except insulting people for nothing? | 21:12 |
| crashanddie | wow wow wow, it was a joke | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, happens when you don't closely border many non-English-speaking countries, I guess. | 21:12 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, good faith, good faith. | 21:13 |
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| mece | hey there's the Niklas whatshisface Q&A on twitter right fn now :) | 21:14 |
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| mece | oh oops. it's over apparently. oh well. | 21:16 |
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| mece | @twittison: @NiklasatNokia When exactly you will bring 1st MeeGo? | 21:19 |
| mece | @twittison a major product milestone by the end of the year | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a typo. | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The E344 millstone. | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | quadband flour mill. | 21:19 |
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| SwedeMike | so, I'm running the power kernel on my PR1.2 N900, but it still won't get an IPv6 address on my wlan? it assigns LL to both lo and wlan0. Pathetic part is that the iOS4 ipod touch my girlfriend has works without problems :( | 21:26 |
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| SwedeMike | anyone have any ideas what might be wrong? | 21:26 |
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| mikki-kun | SwedeMike: maybe the module isn't loaded? | 21:28 |
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| phrearch | hm, where is the insert key on the n900? | 21:29 |
| SwedeMike | mikki-kun: then I don't see why it would show link local address in ifconfig? | 21:29 |
| phrearch | need to write something in vim | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | phrearch, press I | 21:30 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: doesn't have one, you need to go to the top bar and then do that via drop-down menu | 21:30 |
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| phrearch | ah thanks | 21:30 |
| SwedeMike | mikki-kun: the module is loaded anyway. | 21:31 |
| mikki-kun | hm... ok, just to rule out the most obvious ^^''' happens for me all the time | 21:32 |
| SwedeMike | it even says "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" | 21:33 |
| phrearch | is there a mono repos available? | 21:33 |
| phrearch | i found http://www.torosoft.com/mono-maemo5/dists/fremantle/binary/binary-armel/ , but not sure if thats a trusted resource | 21:33 |
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| SwedeMike | all my other devices that do IPv6 (ipod touch, ubuntu box, win7 box) do IPv6 just fine on my wifi | 21:33 |
| Venemo | SwedeMike: why do you need IPv6? | 21:34 |
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| Venemo | SwedeMike: it's not like your wifi will ever have to serve more than 4 billion users at once | 21:34 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:34 |
| Venemo | johnsq: hi | 21:34 |
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| SwedeMike | Venemo: well, I guess you can wait since you don't see the point of it. | 21:35 |
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| SwedeMike | so back to ipv6, my cisco router sees the n900 in its LL neighbor cache, but for some reason the N900 doesn't do SLAAC | 21:36 |
| danley | Hello everyone, i've got a problem and i hope you can help me. I'm on holyday and i was sharing my internet connection using joikuspot. then some error occured and my dad just closed everything and shut down the device to remove the sim-card and put it into his device... now when i boot the device i cannot start any application and the status area stays empty :/ i can not do anything on the device itself. is there any way i could poss | 21:36 |
| SwedeMike | hm, is there another command on the N900 fairly standard P1.2 that gives me equivalent of "ip -6 neighbor list" ? | 21:37 |
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| pupnik | danley: can you ssh into the device? | 21:37 |
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| danley | pupnik: sadly no :/ | 21:38 |
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| pupnik | i'd reflash then | 21:38 |
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| danley | that was my idea too, but i'm having trouble to download the image over the 3G connection here :/ | 21:39 |
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| danley | if joikuspot made something weired with the kernel is there a way to just download the kernel and load it like you would load the meego kernel i've tested? with flasher? | 21:40 |
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| mgedmin | afaik joikuspot doesn't touch the kernel, it installs a loadable module | 21:41 |
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| phrearch | ehm, what extra repositories can be enabled savely? | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | all of them, as long as you don't install anything from them ;) | 21:44 |
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| phrearch | ok :) | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | for a long time my goal was to have no 3rd party repositories enabled, just maemo extras + all the builtin ones | 21:45 |
| phrearch | i was looking for git | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | in the end I gave up and added extras-testing, extras-devel, and sdk/tools | 21:45 |
| phrearch | want to install opensim on the n900 | 21:45 |
| phrearch | those testing and devel seem unstable | 21:45 |
| mece | phrearch, git is stable though. just enable whatever repo you need for git, and then disable. | 21:46 |
| phrearch | ok, maybe its in testing | 21:46 |
| mece | phrearch, it's in extras actually | 21:46 |
| mece | no sorry | 21:46 |
| mece | phrearch, only devel. just enable, apt-get install git-core and disable. | 21:47 |
| phrearch | ok cool | 21:47 |
| phrearch | ham is a bit slow when having devel and testing enabled | 21:47 |
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| mece | apparently there's a git gui,but I haven't tested. If core is ok then use it. | 21:47 |
| phrearch | does it update the repos list on each visit? | 21:48 |
| phrearch | ok thanks | 21:48 |
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| mgedmin | "a bit slow" ha ha ha ha you kill me | 21:48 |
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| pupnik | i wish i could figure out why mobile hotspot won't pass-through data | 21:50 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: what mobile hotspot? | 21:51 |
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| pupnik | "mobile hotspot" for n900 | 21:51 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: doesn't it require a special kernel or something? | 21:52 |
| danley | is there anything i can do with the usb-cable alone? | 21:52 |
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| danley | to fix or at least identify the issue? | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ kthxbye | 21:52 |
| pupnik | yes crashanddie | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | danley: well, I'm afraid you need console access to enable the usb networking | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | you could do that if you have a bootmenu w/ backupmenu installed | 21:54 |
| mece | danley, well,, maybe stating the obvious but did you try ctrlshift-x? | 21:54 |
| crashanddie | mece: was going to advise that, but considering that there was no icons in the menu bar | 21:54 |
| crashanddie | danley: even more obvious: have you tried rebooting? | 21:55 |
| danley | yes | 21:55 |
| danley | it reboots to the home screen | 21:55 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | R&D, shoot the lifeguard | 21:55 |
| danley | i even can go into the menu | 21:55 |
| danley | but as soon as a click on an icon | 21:55 |
| danley | the system freezes | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | shoot the damn lifeguard | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't reboot? | 21:56 |
| danley | aww damn | 21:58 |
| mece | ? | 21:58 |
| danley | i did sth stupid now.... i figured out pressing the on/ogg button works | 21:58 |
| danley | and i enabled the offline mode | 21:58 |
| danley | and rebooted then | 21:58 |
| danley | now it asks wherther i want to disable offline mode while booting | 21:58 |
| danley | but i can't press yes/no | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | take out the sim, could be helpful | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 21:59 |
| danley | and when i use the switch on the side to disable the screen and enable it again the screen shows the oving dots animation | 21:59 |
| danley | the sim is out | 21:59 |
| phrearch | hm, which browser on the n900 supports webgl? | 22:00 |
| phrearch | want to test http://www.iquilezles.org/apps/shadertoy/ | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | PR1.2 right? | 22:00 |
| danley | but the same thing happens with sim card | 22:00 |
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| danley | MohammadAG51: yes | 22:01 |
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| phrearch | ah, microb seems to support it | 22:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | flash this http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage-fb-omap1.bin | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | could be useful to see where the problem is, if it shows before X starts | 22:02 |
| madhav | jacekowski: ping | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | madhav: pong | 22:03 |
| madhav | hey facing issues with chrome build on maemo | 22:04 |
| madhav | getting error ld --no-poison-directories no options | 22:04 |
| madhav | with gold linker | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | use my package | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | or take a look at patches | 22:04 |
| madhav | im building it from source.. | 22:04 |
| madhav | where r the patches? | 22:04 |
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| madhav | i think SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS=-wno-poison... | 22:06 |
| madhav | is the cause for it | 22:06 |
| mece | frak! gaddam google!!! | 22:06 |
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| madhav | jacejowski: can i have the link for patches | 22:06 |
| mece | I do not want to see google.com in the bottom bar of my firefox when I'm not on a google site. | 22:07 |
| mece | grr argh! | 22:07 |
| phrearch | hm, has the n900 801.11g or b? | 22:08 |
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| mikki-kun | phrearch: it has both | 22:08 |
| phrearch | ah ok nice | 22:08 |
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| danley | ok guys, i'll try to download the image and if it's not working i'll just live with it and wait till i get home... still you're an awesome community! thanks! | 22:09 |
| phrearch | max dl speed seems to be around 150 k or something though | 22:10 |
| mgedmin | 802.11g | 22:11 |
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| mgedmin | I've seen megabits on it (speedtest.net in microB) | 22:11 |
| mgedmin | actual downloads of files are limited by eMMC write speed, I think | 22:12 |
| mgedmin | and scp is a whole another kettle of fish (CPU bottlenecks for encryption, small window sizes) | 22:12 |
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| phrearch | emmc? | 22:12 |
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| mgedmin | the 32 GB of flash memory in a n900 | 22:14 |
| phrearch | ah ok | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | it also has a faster 256 MB NAND device for the root file system | 22:14 |
| phrearch | so, i should install a flash card? | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | I dunno, actually... | 22:14 |
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| SwedeMike | oki, so for so upon further investigation it seems the N900 has problems processing IPv6 frames. I see responses in tcpdump but it never populates the neighbour cache. So it sends NS, gets NA back but doesn't seem to do anything about these NAs. | 22:15 |
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| phrearch | ok thanks. will look at it later. i call it a day. tv time :) | 22:17 |
| phrearch | bye | 22:17 |
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| Corsac | SwedeMike: using kernel-power? | 22:17 |
| SwedeMike | Corsac: yes. | 22:17 |
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| GNU\caust1c | where can i activate the tv out? i'm feeling really stupid, im not finding it :S | 22:19 |
| _llll_ | dont think it needs "activating", just plug something into it | 22:20 |
| GNU\caust1c | ok | 22:20 |
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| crashanddie | GNU\caust1c: make sure you select the right "TV out" in Settings | 22:25 |
| GNU\caust1c | yep | 22:26 |
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| crashanddie | other than that, it's really just litterally "plug and play" | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | unless you happen to be infront of an audience \@/ | 22:28 |
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| jacekowski | madhav1: in my svn | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: thing is that encryption could be made really fast on n900 | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: because cpu has hardware support for it | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | yes, well, the n8x0 hardware has support for 3d accel ... | 22:33 |
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| jacekowski | i have to harras ti to get datasheets for it from them | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, that was horribly painful | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: nerves of steel, btw, to keep going without it | 22:34 |
| lcuk | bah i barely managed anything | 22:35 |
| * lcuk will do better next time something crops up | 22:35 | |
| crashanddie | well, you held your speech, you didn't just storm off the stage | 22:35 |
| madhav1 | jacekowski: i need to diff and check whole tree> | 22:35 |
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| jacekowski | madhav1: no, you can ask repository for it | 22:36 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, reasonable enough | 22:36 |
| * lcuk will have to do it in a way that it doesnt matter which machine i use next time | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | and so others can test hardware ;) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, did you go through with submission? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | and did oyu manage to take a pic of liqcalendar on your 12incher | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, i didn't submit to the repos, i'll leave that to you | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'll take a pic when it finishes charging from 0 to 100 | 22:38 |
| lcuk | hmmm good | 22:38 |
| lcuk | so wheres the x86 patch :P | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | shouldn't take 15 mins | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | xP | 22:38 |
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| madhav1 | jacekowski: how im a begginner in svn..so dont know much abt it.. | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I can run it on a 13" if you want | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: or an 86", whichever you prefer | 22:38 |
| madhav1 | lcuk: SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS=-wno-poison. do u know anything abt it | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | well crashanddie MohammadAG51 is going to get the tiny makefile patch to me | 22:38 |
| lcuk | and then sometime tonight have to suss out how to make it build using one -D define for maemo and without it on x86 | 22:39 |
| lcuk | with no autotools | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | madhav1, potentially | 22:39 |
| GNU\caust1c | yay, it works now :) | 22:40 |
| madhav1 | lcuk: im using gold linker from binutils..on arm | 22:40 |
| lcuk | ahh, then no | 22:40 |
| madhav1 | ld gives error -posion no option | 22:41 |
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| madhav1 | lcuk: iif i set SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS= | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | -posion? | 22:41 |
| madhav1 | it shws warnings | 22:41 |
| madhav1 | poison directories | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | madhav1: how about you copy/paste the output to a pastebin service | 22:41 |
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| madhav1 | crashhandle: basically im trying to build chrome on maemo armel | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | isn't chrome already built? | 22:43 |
| madhav1 | maemo linker gives error at link time.seg fault | 22:43 |
| madhav1 | so im using gold linker from binutils | 22:43 |
| madhav1 | gold linker doesnot allow to use poision directories.. | 22:44 |
| madhav1 | if i set SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS= there are warnings..like unsafe instructions | 22:44 |
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| madhav1 | any clue? | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | madhav1: yes, paste the output | 22:45 |
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| madhav1 | ive told u..ld say no option -Wno-poison-directories | 22:46 |
| madhav1 | i have no log as such now .. | 22:46 |
| madhav1 | im figuring out how to get goldlinker work | 22:47 |
| madhav1 | any one went thru this situation ;) | 22:48 |
| madhav1 | crashhandle:wat do u think | 22:49 |
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| crashanddie | I give up | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | when you have to ask more than twice for a pastebin | 22:51 |
| madhav1 | ok..sure | 22:51 |
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| trbs2 | any way to use a stronger crypto for /etc/passwd on maemo ? | 22:53 |
| Corsac | best way is not to use it at all I guess | 22:55 |
| timeless | trbs2: you're doing something wrong | 22:55 |
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| timeless | don't try to treat your n900 as a place where you can store super secure stuff | 22:56 |
| timeless | it isn't | 22:56 |
| timeless | it won't be | 22:56 |
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| timeless | system updates don't happen often enough for you to actually have an exploit free system | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | timeless: crypting /etc/passwd isn't for secure stuff | 22:56 |
| ToJa92 | [timeless]: You could truecrypt all super secure stuff | 22:57 |
| Corsac | timeless: and there's no isolation between apps too | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | then again, using truecrypt will only be password-strong. | 22:57 |
| Corsac | any app can read, write, do anything with any of your file anyway | 22:57 |
| timeless | yep | 22:58 |
| timeless | and any app can trick app manager into installing anything as root | 22:58 |
| timeless | including a kernel module which does whatever | 22:58 |
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| Corsac | and I'm told that any app can kill any number of kittens, too | 22:58 |
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| timeless | most apps *do* kill kittens | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | timeless: has there been any grey-hat testing against Maemo? | 22:59 |
| steinex | hmmm question | 22:59 |
| timeless | especially Qt kittens | 22:59 |
| timeless | crashanddie: oddly there is fuzz testing | 22:59 |
| timeless | in some cases it has even found upstream bugs | 23:00 |
| steinex | can i have the feature of skipping to next track when pressing the button on the headset without installing from extras-devel? | 23:00 |
| timeless | but not that often | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | fuzz testing? | 23:00 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: that'd be no fun | 23:00 |
| steinex | i saw a program in extras-devel doing that, but i wanted to avoid installing from that repo | 23:00 |
| steinex | :/ | 23:00 |
| timeless | sending garbage input... | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | timeless: ah, ok | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | I just wonder, what if in a random app, we included a kernel hook that redirected all key input to /dev/null | 23:01 |
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| crashanddie | and then, once it's gone through QA, release the results | 23:01 |
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| crashanddie | not do anything malicious, but just see how many votes we get, how quickly we manage to go through | 23:02 |
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| crashanddie | and also try to test whether being an experienced contributor (like people who have a few apps in extras) affects the thoroughness of the testing | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, timeless - i believe the kitten killing app was rejected by extras-testing, apparantly it did not include a bug tracker :P | 23:03 |
| timeless | heh | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | woah, I just got /msg spam'd | 23:03 |
| lcuk | "sebastian, its your mum, your tea is ready" | 23:03 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish people stopped trying to call me. My Nokia E75's bluetooth dies and N810 loses interwebs :-( | 23:24 |
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| nox- | moin | 23:25 |
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| rhaamo | hi | 23:31 |
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| nox- | moin rhaamo | 23:33 |
| rhaamo | any ideas on when fcam-drivers or kernel-power will be updated ? I can't upgrade fcam-drivers and .. can't use the camera :/ | 23:33 |
| nox- | my n900 deadlocked(?) today when i wanted to use maemo mapper... | 23:34 |
| nox- | had to take the battery out :( | 23:34 |
| nox- | maybe it was swapping too much? | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | rhaamo, install the official kernel and you are golden | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | Mine had I/O deadlock too | 23:35 |
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| * lcuk wonders if there is something in the water | 23:35 | |
| rhaamo | lcuk: i'm interested by kernel-power not the default... | 23:36 |
| lcuk | rhaamo, then suffer. | 23:36 |
| lcuk | or patch it so it works :D | 23:37 |
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| BCMM | it's kinda frustrating that one can't easily have mobilehotspot and fcam installed at the same time | 23:38 |
| BCMM | in fact, it's kinda frustrating in general the the default kernel for a communications device doesn't include netfilter | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -f ... might help | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or earn you an OOPS | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or PANIC | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, since each needs a kernel I do agree | 23:43 |
| lcuk | teamwork is needed to get a kernel (official hopefully) that will work for all the main use cases | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought power kernel was that | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if fcam comes with modules rather than whole new kernel of its own, then see above, modprobe -f might help | 23:45 |
| lcuk | yup | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if fcam does its shit monolithic the lart fcam | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 23:46 |
| lcuk | but people want it | 23:46 |
| trumee | anybody aware of telepathy-sofiasip? | 23:46 |
| trumee | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 | 23:47 |
| povbot | Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification | 23:47 |
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| trumee | The bug says that MWI is not implemented. Is it not implemented in gui or in the backend? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask Robot101 | 23:48 |
| trumee | i dont know anything about telepathy or telepathy-sofiasip | 23:48 |
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| trumee | Robot101: ping | 23:49 |
| Robot101 | trumee: yo | 23:49 |
| Robot101 | the N900 has a slightly weird voicemail indication mechanism in it's Skype backend | 23:49 |
| trumee | Robot101: is MWI available in telepathy-sofiasip? | 23:49 |
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| Robot101 | no - Mikhail Zabaluef who commented there is the main Telepathy SofiaSIP developer | 23:50 |
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| Robot101 | we're proposing to do it slightly different way in the main Telepathy specification - but in either case, it'd need to be implemented for SIP | 23:50 |
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| trumee | Robot101: so the only way to get MWI is to write an application which talks directly to sofia-sip? | 23:50 |
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| Robot101 | write a patch to telepathy-sofiasip so it does it in the same way as the skype backend atm | 23:51 |
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| Robot101 | you can't "talk" to sofia-sip, it's a library - and you don't want to make a new SIP registration | 23:53 |
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| trumee | Robot101: hmm. but doesnt the */freeswitch servers allow multiple registrations. If sofia-sip can register a new client, they can share voicemail boxes | 23:54 |
| zeltak | holy crap easy debian is awesome :) | 23:54 |
| Lateralus | DocScrutinizer: doesn't tell me the repo | 23:54 |
| trumee | Robot101: so user registered via sofia-sip can capture all the Message notifications | 23:54 |
| trumee | Robot101: although, it will be a waste of resources i guess | 23:55 |
| Robot101 | trumee: yes, you can register multiple times, but it's server configuration dependent where calls and messages go | 23:55 |
| Robot101 | trumee: so your calls might get eaten by the notifier, or vice versa | 23:55 |
| Robot101 | trumee: and, you chew power, and have no UI, and have to configure it separately | 23:55 |
| trumee | Robot101: is there UI for skype voicemail then? | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | trumee: plus, I don't see how writing a patch to an existing sofiasip process is harder than writing an entirely new one :P | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | yes, although I can't remember how it works off the top of my head | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | I think there's an interface for it | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | these are the telepathy extensions for the N900 | 23:56 |
| Robot101 | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=blob;f=rtcom-telepathy-glib/Channel_Interface_Voicemail_Skype.xml;h=9fccc84d7e36b9a7721f78cc115ee18fb2299b0a;hb=e4dae27b83a913927dd41f9b50f9e907cb0c1b2e | 23:57 |
| Robot101 | yeah so you get a voicemail notification message, and provide a sender and timestamp which the UI uses to place the call & retreive the voicemail | 23:58 |
| Robot101 | so, seems pretty simple to trick out the UI with that spec | 23:58 |
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| trumee | Robot101: seems its not in PR 1.2 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7470 | 23:59 |
| povbot | Bug 7470: N900 does not support Skype Voicemail Settings | 23:59 |
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