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| lauri | anybody knows how many slots Maemo got for GSoC? | 00:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmm ask vdvsx | 00:18 |
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| ReadyKilowatt | anyone have the homepage for E-Coach? Does the author have a tip jar? | 00:56 |
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| mikkov | http://ecoach.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:02 |
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| ReadyKilowatt | mikkov - thanks | 01:20 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: ping | 01:21 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, pong. | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Getting close to giving up; with 5 left... | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, that's fine, I can pick up the rest in the next hour or two. | 01:25 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Cool, much appreciated. | 01:25 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 01:50 |
| embedded | Is there someone who uses SDL functions to get keyboard keys with Maemo 5? | 01:51 |
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| embedded | No one? | 01:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes there was a stylus sensor. | 02:52 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, back to the old topic? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a third one of those IR-switches hadn't added much to the BOM | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lost your stylus? | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed. | 03:30 |
| pablo2 | hello... How to send signal DBus to change orientation in n900?? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | shit | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | replaced it with a suitable twig. | 03:30 |
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| Ken-Young | pablo2, I don't know of a DBus signal to do it, but I can tell you a library call that will do it. | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, the n810 stylus is just a tiny bit different, so it doesn't match | 03:32 |
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| pablo2 | Ken-Young, what? | 03:33 |
| Ken-Young | pablo2, hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags() | 03:35 |
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| pablo2 | Ken-Young, thanks | 03:38 |
| pablo2 | Ken-Young, i'll use in shell script | 03:38 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if a shellscript can change xterm to portrait. Or if a shellscript could set even another alien window to portrait | 03:42 | |
| Ken-Young | Does pr1.2 have more complete support for portrait mode? | 03:43 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, how can i prepend an dns suffix do i just add search X.X to resolv.conf? | 03:44 |
| rm_you | i hate when XChat tells me i have new messages on this channel but it has been so long they scrolled off T_T | 03:45 |
| ech0dish | my wall charger no longer works, will nokia replace it i just bought this thing... | 03:45 |
| ech0dish | i think joikuspot broke my wall charger... | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think that's possible | 03:47 |
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| ech0dish | that my wall charger no longer works doc? | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: there was the idea to have a highlights-catcher tab, quite similar to the URL catcher. But probably it'd need additional functionality to jump to original location in chantab's backscroll | 03:49 |
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| rm_you | yeah T_T | 03:50 |
| rm_you | ech0dish: i think he means it's probably impossible for joikuspot to break hardware, lol | 03:51 |
| rm_you | but | 03:51 |
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| rm_you | does charging with the USB cord work? | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | he told yesterday | 03:55 |
| rm_you | ah | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | charger is a 7bucks crap, may break every once in a while | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably nokia should replace it, but is it worth the hassle? | 03:57 |
| ech0dish | my n900 ran pretty hot while plugged in with the wall charger right after installing joikuspot, charger wont work now have to use a usb cable :(.. | 04:01 |
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| ech0dish | thats why i think joikuspot might of burned the charger.. | 04:01 |
| ech0dish | the n900 wouldn't of ran hot without that app running | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ech0dish: that's bs. IF it were like that it still were nokia's fault, not any software's. A device mustn't be built in a way so sw can burn chargers, and it definitely isn't | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | the charger was crap. get a new one | 04:05 |
| ech0dish | 600$ phone 50 cent charger lol | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda, yes | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway arbitrary USB-chargers will do. There's quite a few ones to be found out there with a USB-A receptacle, for little $$ | 04:08 |
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| ech0dish | usb-b | 04:12 |
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| ech0dish | think i'll get a dc outlet to a usb outlet and get another usb cable | 04:13 |
| ech0dish | then i can use it for other stuff that uses usb to charge :) | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ech0dish: are you kidding me? I say A-receptacle, you correct me to B. Next line you say "hey got a good idea. Will get me one with A-outlet" | 04:20 |
| Ken-Young | Is there a way to get a list of all the X11 fonts which are available on the N900? | 04:24 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lol | 04:28 |
| njsf | re | 04:28 |
| njsf | Ken-Young: hmmm did not check... no xlsfonts ? | 04:29 |
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| njsf | indeed not | 04:31 |
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| bullet` | hi | 05:31 |
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| bullet` | i cannot find the qt creator 1.3.8 for windows. is it available in installable form ? | 05:32 |
| bullet` | or only from the git sources and has to be compiled ? | 05:32 |
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| ptl | use qt creator for linux then | 05:34 |
| ptl | linux is better than windows anyway. | 05:34 |
| bullet` | itis but rigth now i'm on windows | 05:34 |
| ptl | that's why maemo is linux and not a flavor of windows mobile. | 05:34 |
| dmj726_n900 | virtual machine? | 05:35 |
| bullet` | well i'm stuck with windows right now | 05:35 |
| bullet` | no room for virtual machine of another partition for linux | 05:36 |
| bullet` | and i will do my upgrades after a month, so i'm stuck with windows | 05:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | ust build it yourself if there aren't any binaries I guess. | 05:36 |
| bullet` | ok tell me | 05:36 |
| bullet` | i'm using madde to experiment | 05:37 |
| bullet` | and i also have a the qt creator 1.3.1 | 05:37 |
| bullet` | i was reading somewhere in the talk that qt created projects can be compiled with madde | 05:38 |
| bullet` | only the project file has to be tweaked ? | 05:38 |
| bullet` | i cannot find that post again , i dont like the search feature of t.m.o | 05:38 |
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| Ken-Young | maemo.org appears to be down (to me). Can other people still see it? | 06:06 |
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| shinkamui | yea | 06:08 |
| shinkamui | i've been on talk for about 30 minutes | 06:08 |
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| anotnac | everything seems down on maemo.org except talk, just getting white blank pages | 06:32 |
| Ken-Young | anotnac, Yup, me too. | 06:32 |
| anotnac | how long as it been like it for you? i've only just tried | 06:33 |
| Ken-Young | anotnac, An hour or so. | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org | 07:10 |
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| Ken-Young | Does anyone know how to find out what X11 fonts are available on the N900? The scratchbox environment appears to have fonts that are not available on the N900. | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*font*' ? | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | XD | 07:12 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, It isn't that maemo.org is down really. It just serves blank pages for nearly everything. | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 07:12 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Can you try it? Try just the main page, maemo.org . | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice clean :-S | 07:13 |
| Ken-Young | Haiku-like in its simplicity. | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but fast like never before X-P | 07:14 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, find / -name '*font*' does indeed find lots of files, but they are all libraries and config files, etc. I need to know what font specifications like "-misc-fixed-medium-semicondensed--13-100-100-100-c-60-iso8859-1" are available for use on the N900. | 07:17 |
| Ken-Young | Standard linuxes have tools like xfontsel or showfont to list such things, but the N900 doesn't seem to have any such utilities. | 07:19 |
| cehteh | there is a fontviewer for the n900 somewhere | 07:20 |
| cehteh | (extras, devel whatever) | 07:20 |
| cehteh | dont rememberits name exactly, maybe it was 'lorem ipsum' | 07:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | find /|grep font | 07:22 |
| Ken-Young | cehteh, Thanks for the pointer. I'll look for it. | 07:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Quick Brown Fox -- View Fonts | 07:24 |
| cehteh | ah that name .. | 07:24 |
| cehteh | something like that :) | 07:25 |
| cehteh | never needed it | 07:25 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Thanks - that does look like the thing to try. | 07:25 |
| Ken-Young | I'll download it when maemo.org comes back to life. | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ha | 07:25 |
| Ken-Young | Maybe it's snowing heavily in Finland. | 07:26 |
| Ken-Young | Perhaps maemo.org is really a webcam. | 07:26 |
| MiXu- | It has been snowing today :P | 07:27 |
| MiXu- | Gotta love the spring! :P | 07:27 |
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| anotnac | downforeveryone says maemo'org is up, which is true just that all pages are blank with nothing on them | 07:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | works great via HAM | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just 39k. took seconds | 07:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMG - /usr/bin/gnu/find | 07:40 |
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| ml-mobile | sad phone is sad | 07:53 |
| * ml-mobile plugs it in | 07:54 | |
| Jaffa | X-Fade_: ping | 07:55 |
| Chiku|dc | does some packages already compiled with PR1.2 SDK ? because I can't update, it need libhildon1 >=2.2.10 | 07:55 |
| Chiku|dc | installed one it's 2.2.3-1 | 07:55 |
| Chiku|dc | does this package is include in PR ? and not standalone package? | 07:56 |
| njsf_ | Chiku|dc: I only encountered some from the tools | 07:56 |
| Chiku|dc | I don't find it | 07:56 |
| njsf_ | maybe on extras-devel too ? but none from testing up | 07:56 |
| njsf_ | libhildon1 >= 2.2.10 is from PR 1.2 afaik | 07:56 |
| Chiku|dc | I can't update to libhildon1 >= 2.2.10 yet? | 07:57 |
| njsf_ | no, PR1.2 is not out yet on HAM | 07:57 |
| njsf_ | just for the SDK | 07:58 |
| Chiku|dc | what is HAM ? | 07:58 |
| njsf_ | and that may be why some in extras-devel are already depending on it | 07:58 |
| njsf_ | Hildon Application Manager | 07:58 |
| Chiku|dc | ok | 07:58 |
| njsf_ | ie the App. manager on your n900 | 07:58 |
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| njsf_ | I removed the extras-devel from my repos since I am sometimes doing extras-testing work | 07:59 |
| njsf_ | and want to make sure the version I installed is the -testing and not a new -devel | 07:59 |
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| Chiku|dc | package managers should update their package only when PR1.2 would be released | 07:59 |
| bullet` | maemo.org down ? | 08:00 |
| bullet` | pr 1.2 ??????? | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo.org white XP - and fast like hell | 08:00 |
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| Jaffa | Chiku|dc: The auto-builder was updated so that developers could make sure updated software was available for PR1.2 | 08:01 |
| njsf_ | Chiku|dc: I think that package managers will probably never enforce that in -devel since it is not meant for public consumption | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | repos seem fine though | 08:01 |
| Jaffa | Chiku|dc: Is a few days of constrained updates really the end of the world? | 08:01 |
| Chiku|dc | developpers can test thier package on their N900 ? | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: not if you *could* install old version still | 08:02 |
| Chiku|dc | their new packages* | 08:02 |
| njsf_ | Chiku|dc: not right now. but they can on scratchbox | 08:03 |
| Chiku|dc | can we install SDK on our N900 ? | 08:03 |
| Chiku|dc | oh opk | 08:03 |
| njsf_ | and in the n900 as soon as it is releases | 08:03 |
| njsf_ | s/s$/d/ | 08:03 |
| njsf_ | and then the latest build will be ready for them to update and test | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: from ML I get it that's not granted for all pkgs | 08:04 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: If developer uploads new version, it's built against PR1.2 | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | *I* understand that | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: How many days exactly? | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but seems some devels met the pitfall | 08:06 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Me included. <shrug/> | 08:07 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'd guess less than 7 :-p | 08:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: "guess" is the keyword. | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | uhm, shouldn't the packages end up in a seperate extras-devel repo? | 08:09 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Can you point me to your email where you a) objected and b) suggested an alternative? | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle-1.2 or something | 08:09 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Oh, yeah - so the old one should still be installable. It's only new packages which won't be installable. | 08:09 |
| GAN900 | Too bad there wasn't a beta. . . . | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack | 08:09 |
| GAN900 | Nokia, one step forward, two steps back, then undo the progress of the first step five steps later. | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 08:10 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: I am no longer objecting or suggesting alternatives. | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is pointless. | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: so something is awry somewhere if people are getting these errors? :P | 08:12 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Then you're only trolling :-p | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, what do you got to smoke to mess a repo with new unusable versions? There will be users in 4 weeks and probably in 8 weeks that simply don't update to 1.2 | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Really? :) | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the idea was to freeze the old extras{-devel,-testing} and then put all packages in extras{-devel,-testing} with a different component (fremantle-1.2) | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | so this shouldn't happen | 08:13 |
| Jaffa | If there are versions of packages in fremantle which won't install, it's a bug. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I mean, maemo.org people make changes to the repositories without consulting or even considering the users or developers | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems freeze freezed prematurely XP | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And whoever points that out is, of course, only trolling. | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E never happened | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: freeze was announced and all :P | 08:14 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Except in this case, where it WAS discussed and users & developers WERE considered :-p | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | and was meant so people could get things ready for PR1.2 | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh great | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | so something went wrong in implementation | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | please devels stop all commits, as we at nokia don't get it sorted | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And it has been decided to basically shut down software submission process to Extras until PR1.2 is out? :) | 08:15 |
| * RST38h shrugs and goes off to feed the kid | 08:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nice freeze | 08:16 |
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| njsf_ | Look, I think this had its problems, but it is not like it is super dramatic. Then again I am new to the community, so maybe I am more naive and more laid back. Only -devel and the tools repos seem to have non installable packages. I don't like it, but I don't think it is _that_ bad. | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | tools repo you shouldn't have on your device | 08:16 |
| RST38h | njsf: You are new to the community. | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: orly? | 08:17 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade_: DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024876.html | 08:17 |
| njsf_ | I am new to the community... | 08:17 |
| Jaffa | s/X-Fade_/RST38h/ | 08:17 |
| apt | Jaffa meant: RST38h: DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-February/024876.html | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it isn't a freeze as such, it just redirects into pr1.2 repo instead. | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | which makes sense if you read the discussion. | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | this is what should have happened, which seemingily didn't | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:18 |
| Jaffa | Hell, it was even on the front page of MWKN: http://mwkn.net/2010/09/front.html | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | and people are getting errors from extras-devel | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems this doesn't work, or there's no such thing like 1.2repo at all | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | there might be in extras and extras-testing | 08:19 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Well, there is: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/ | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | either way, if you have extras-devel enabled, you're at fault yourself :P | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | then there's a bug that should be fixed instantly | 08:19 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: If packages are being built with PR1.2 SDK and going into "fremantle", yes - it's a bug; and should be raised as a high priority issue ASAP | 08:20 |
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| * Jaffa 's not seen this bug since he's not enabled -devel in the past few days. | 08:22 | |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Let me know the bug number when it's raised | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (tools repo) where's strace, gdb, etc from? | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, tools repo might work but not sdk :P | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: well, *I* haven't encountered the issue yet | 08:23 |
| Jaffa | OK, so we're all going off hearsay and there might not be a bug at all. | 08:23 |
| Jaffa | Only thing I've seen is a *new* package from qwerty12 isn't installable; which makes sense because there's no old version to install | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | on ML there are reports though. Here in chan I seem to read one just 20min ago | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | on extras/extras-testing this shouldn't happen, but extras-devel we'd have to assume errors will happen | 08:25 |
| njsf_ | I have only seen Crash Reporter from tools, but that is ok, since no plans were done for it. the only trouble was that it was not able to send reports because someone had screwed up the layout at the server, but since Fri it was all good | 08:25 |
| njsf_ | no issues with extras-testing for sure, I have it enabled | 08:25 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ? | 08:25 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: URL? | 08:26 |
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| njsf_ | I do not have extras devel enabled, but could quickly enable to see | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think the part about extras-devel being pr1.2 already was noted in a mail somewhere now that i think of it | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: of what? | 08:26 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: ML report | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ML, I mentioned that above | 08:27 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: OK, I'll find it myself. What was the subject? | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 08:27 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025593.html ? | 08:29 |
| joga | yesterday evening my n900 suddenly died while being charged with a common nokia charger + adapter, batterygraph shows a hard drop in voltage at that time, and the device wouldn't boot again until I let it recharge for 20 minutes or so, and even then it soon shut down again :) | 08:29 |
| thresh | moroning | 08:29 |
| joga | I think the charger wasn't powerful enough or something.. | 08:29 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps:That doesn't seem to be a report though, just an "AIUI" | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: yes, this thread at least | 08:30 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: That's the most relevant mail I could find. | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: [2010-03-29 06:55:48] <Chiku|dc> does some packages already compiled with PR1.2 SDK ? because I can't update, it need libhildon1 >=2.2.10 | 08:31 |
| RST38h | thresh: moorning | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think that's how this topic started 30min ago | 08:32 |
| * Jaffa wonders if it's non-free causing trouble | 08:32 | |
| thresh | RST38h: 'mourning' as well ;-( | 08:32 |
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| Jaffa | Chiku|dc: What package, exactly, couldn't you install? | 08:33 |
| RST38h | thresh: Are we having another spring complication? =) | 08:33 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: So, we've got one reference to work with. Fortunately, he's nearby ;-) | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Oh sweet, concerned citizens appear to max out rbc.ru bandwidth =) | 08:34 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Did you see the links as to why this wasn't "unannounced" BTW? | 08:34 |
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| thresh | RST38h: lenta.ru as well | 08:34 |
| thresh | called my sis and told her to forget about entering Komsomolskaya on vokzal and get a train home | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I never claimed it was unannounced. I claimed interests of users and developers were not considered. | 08:35 |
| RST38h | thresh: Just got two phone calls urging me to avoid | 08:35 |
| tybollt | RST38h: chechnyans? | 08:36 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Some dumbfucks | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't update "Tuner": missing packets libhildon1(>=2.2.10), libplxman-1.0(>=0.15.16) | 08:36 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Can be anyone, as a matter of fact. | 08:36 |
| njsf_ | All my packages from -devel that I could update are fine | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for not telling the truth ;-P | 08:36 |
| njsf_ | but then again I may just not have the problematic ones installed to begin with | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I'll gonna have a nap now, so ticket is up to somebody else | 08:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, Tuner-0.1.3 | 08:38 |
| RST38h | thresh: gzt.ru ok, guess it is not popular enough | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ^^^ | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (truth) probably caused by low priority of Tuner for my daily usage | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | cnn has definately gone down the drain.. two bombs at metro stations in moscow and not a single mention on the front page | 08:42 |
| thresh | they do now | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: why would cnn care? | 08:43 |
| RST38h | It is not NYC... | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah, international site | 08:43 |
| thresh | the line that was blasted is like RER B in Paris | 08:43 |
| thresh | the one connecting the main transfer points of city with railroad stations | 08:43 |
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| njsf_ | cable tv news stations is just propaganda. get over it, search other news sources | 08:48 |
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| RST38h | like...tweeter? :) | 08:48 |
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| njsf_ | ok, I should have said better news sources | 08:48 |
| RST38h | like...what? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | njsf_: yeah, i normally do when i can't get things confirmed | 08:49 |
| thresh | unfortunately we don't have access to a camera systems in Moscow metro | 08:49 |
| RST38h | thresh: Well, someone does, gzt.ru has shots from cctv cameras | 08:50 |
| njsf_ | since when have camera systems ever been helpful in preeventing stuff like this ? | 08:50 |
| thresh | rbc as well, but still | 08:50 |
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| thresh | njsf_: i doubt anything is helpful in preventing bombing | 08:50 |
| RST38h | thresh: Which makes bombings so profitable for law enforcement: they can ask for any amount of resources to prevent them =) | 08:51 |
| thresh | moscow's gonna sit in traffic jams today | 08:51 |
| tybollt | RST38h: yeah... :-| | 08:51 |
| thresh | roads are closed near bombed stations | 08:51 |
| tybollt | RST38h: these bombing come at a very convenient time for Putin indeed... | 08:51 |
| RST38h | tybollt: And what is this time? =) | 08:52 |
| thresh | same | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: which raises the question who has most profit from bombing, and if that's maybe the bomber as well | 08:52 |
| tybollt | RST38h: I heard last week domestic support for Putin was at an all time low... | 08:52 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Sorry, yes. You said "not consulted". But there was a full consultation last month | 08:52 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Are you sure another 30+ corpses are going to improve that? :) | 08:52 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: ta | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: np | 08:53 |
| thresh | tybollt: not really an issue, since government controls every TV channel. They can raise it to higher values in a month | 08:53 |
| tybollt | meh... | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Anyways, IMHO it is seasonal. Psychos go bonkers every spring/autumn | 08:54 |
| thresh | psychos don't really go in organized groups blasting everything around | 08:54 |
| RST38h | And there is a lot of these around, don't even have to import 'em from Chechnya | 08:54 |
| RST38h | thresh: Actually, they do =) | 08:54 |
| thresh | especially metro stations aside FSB main building | 08:54 |
| RST38h | thresh: Yea, that was a nice touch | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 08:56 |
| thresh | yeah, tweeter and lepra are now full of 'no, there was a third explosion, a friends of mine called and they did see it'-like messages | 08:56 |
| thresh | of course, officials will deny it not to cause another panic wave | 08:57 |
| njsf_ | yes, panic bad, but fear is healthy... | 08:57 |
| RST38h | thresh: no, it is on rbc | 08:57 |
| njsf_ | the hallmark of good population manipulation | 08:57 |
| thresh | njsf_: you cant really control fear in 20M city | 08:58 |
| RST38h | thresh: 15 :) | 08:58 |
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| njsf_ | ohhhh not thinking of control, rather instill | 08:58 |
| RST38h | 20 is really an upper bound, I doubt it is reached yet | 08:58 |
| RST38h | njsf: There is no fear here. Fear was in 90s. | 08:58 |
| RST38h | njsf: Having said that, people will of course avoid metro today, so traffic jams are granted | 08:59 |
| njsf_ | I think you just proved my point | 08:59 |
| thresh | okay | 08:59 |
| njsf_ | and it is past my bed time... cya... 2am and I should be up in 4hrs | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | morning tekojo! | 09:03 |
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| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps! | 09:04 |
| tekojo | and everyone else | 09:04 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps: We should check tuner's source; it could've been packaged by a dev using PR1.2 rather than that dep being introduced by builder. | 09:08 |
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| andrei1089 | maemo.org website seems to be down | 09:31 |
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| cehteh | still? | 09:36 |
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| thresh | yes | 09:37 |
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| inz | It's up, but empty =) | 09:44 |
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| crashanddie | god I'm so bored | 09:44 |
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| haltdef_ | n900's at the local depot ¬¬ | 09:45 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: Can we have a mail or something we can refer to about the outage? | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | oh, someone updating us with the geographical status of his n900? | 09:45 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: how's it going, mate? | 09:45 |
| tekojo | Jaffa, what outage? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org's empty | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:46 |
| tekojo | ah, the one that is there now | 09:46 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: err, http://maemo.org ;-) | 09:46 |
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| Jaffa | tekojo: I'm gussing X-Fade_ isn't up/in/available yet, or is working frantically (still 30s for an email shouldn't be too much for anyone) | 09:47 |
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| tekojo | Called the helpline, they are looking at it | 09:48 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: cool | 09:48 |
| tekojo | When did it start? | 09:48 |
| Jaffa | At least 2.5 hours ago | 09:48 |
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| tekojo | seriously? | 09:49 |
| tekojo | time for an angry email :) | 09:49 |
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| * Jaffa 's mwkn "resolve the names of maemo.org users and calculate download chart" failed at 0430 UTC | 09:49 | |
| thresh | yay for monitoring | 09:49 |
| tekojo | or actually call, that's too long for an angry e-mail | 09:49 |
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| tekojo | I only logged directly to garage this morning, didn't look at the main page :/ | 09:50 |
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| FIQ | the browser | 09:51 |
| FIQ | mouse | 09:51 |
| FIQ | how enable? | 09:51 |
| FIQ | i always forget. :D | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | FIQ: left side of scree, slide tfrom it | 09:51 |
| haltdef_ | most of you just use the built in browser then? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | after pr1.1/1.1.1 it wasn't that shit anymore | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:52 |
| haltdef_ | want firefox for weave sync, find browsing while mobile annoying without my bookmarks and passwords | 09:52 |
| FIQ | it's the most unstable browser i've used, ever | 09:52 |
| haltdef_ | hear it's painful though | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | FIQ: worse than firefox with flash enabled? :P | 09:52 |
| FIQ | hm, dunno | 09:53 |
| * FIQ wants opera anyway | 09:53 | |
| FIQ | hm | 09:53 |
| crashanddie_ | I've never had the browser crash on me | 09:53 |
| haltdef_ | probably better than anything I'm used to on windows mobile | 09:53 |
| crashanddie_ | and the only thing that causes it to crash is flash, I suspect | 09:53 |
| FIQ | that slide didn't work | 09:53 |
| FIQ | ... rly? ;o | 09:53 |
| crashanddie_ | you fail | 09:53 |
| FIQ | mine crash m ore than 2 times a day | 09:53 |
| MiXu- | I haven't had the browser crash in my daily use device either. | 09:53 |
| crashanddie_ | just read up on gestures and stop moaning | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | FIQ: i had my first crash in 2-3 months yesterday | 09:54 |
| FIQ | :( | 09:54 |
| FIQ | cheaters. :D | 09:54 |
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| MiXu- | FIQ: You've broken it yourself ;) | 09:55 |
| FIQ | well, it crashes 2 times a day and "half-fails" 5-10 | 09:55 |
| FIQ | awesome. :p | 09:55 |
| crashanddie_ | stop browsing porn | 09:55 |
| FIQ | i don't | 09:55 |
| haltdef_ | :o | 09:56 |
| Wolfie | installed much devel-software? | 09:56 |
| MiXu- | Stop installing everything you find in extras-devel :) | 09:56 |
| FIQ | i don't install everything | 09:56 |
| FIQ | but yeah, think that's causing problems | 09:56 |
| crashanddie_ | so stop bitching | 09:56 |
| crashanddie_ | kthxbai | 09:56 |
| FIQ | never understandt why though | 09:56 |
| crashanddie_ | because it says "DEVEL"? | 09:56 |
| FIQ | oh, no, not that | 09:57 |
| FIQ | just mean, don't understand how it makes the browser fail | 09:57 |
| FIQ | :p | 09:57 |
| FIQ | i know i'm installing too much at -devel | 09:58 |
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| FIQ | hm, how does on hover works at microB? | 09:58 |
| FIQ | as onclick? | 09:58 |
| crashanddie_ | hover works when you pull out the mouse | 09:59 |
| crashanddie_ | otherwise it's onclick | 09:59 |
| FIQ | hm | 09:59 |
| crashanddie_ | (when just taping) | 09:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | Hey Sampppa, how's the weather in Espoo these days? | 10:02 |
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| Sampppa | dark :) | 10:02 |
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| visz | snowing and everyone's pissed off | 10:03 |
| Sampppa | well i dont know about espoo but at least in helsinki :) | 10:03 |
| visz | =) | 10:03 |
| crashanddie_ | I thought you eskimos were used to the snow? | 10:04 |
| Sampppa | of course but its raining now | 10:04 |
| Sampppa | :) | 10:04 |
| visz | it's nice in december | 10:04 |
| crashanddie_ | visz: south of france had 40cm of snow 3 weeks ago ;) | 10:05 |
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| visz | i'm in espoo and i can see snowflakes from my window | 10:05 |
| FIQ | it has been too much snow this winter | 10:05 |
| FIQ | :( | 10:05 |
| visz | they turn to water soon enough though | 10:05 |
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| crashanddie_ | it's quite funny | 10:05 |
| dvoid_ | who killed maemo.org | 10:05 |
| Sampppa | crashanddie_, (9:00); lumen syvyys 51 cm; = snow depth 51cm | 10:05 |
| Sampppa | this morning in helsinki | 10:05 |
| crashanddie_ | europe and US have received massive amounts of snow this winter | 10:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | and in the southern hemisphere, massive rain and friggin iceballs | 10:06 |
| visz | yeah, i heard they even had snow in spain | 10:06 |
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| FIQ | no more maemo.org | 10:07 |
| haltdef_ | :< | 10:07 |
| zs | what you mean no more? | 10:07 |
| dvoid_ | im in sweden, and i dont think i have ever seen this much snow in my entire life (here) | 10:07 |
| crashanddie_ | visz: yeah, over around christmas I was stuck in the south of france / northern spain for 3 days because of too much snow in the UK, then got stuck in a snowstorm in the south of france | 10:07 |
| visz | =) | 10:07 |
| FIQ | dvoid_: indeed | 10:07 |
| thresh | yeah, snow in winter. how unexpected is that! | 10:08 |
| dvoid_ | yea :D | 10:08 |
| crashanddie_ | thresh: in south of France/Spain? Quite | 10:08 |
| dvoid_ | last 10 years has been just rain | 10:08 |
| thresh | crashanddie_: wussies ;p | 10:08 |
| crashanddie_ | thresh: 30 cm in Belgium? Haven't seen that in 40 years | 10:08 |
| haltdef_ | cold-- | 10:08 |
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| thresh | now you feel our pain then. | 10:09 |
| crashanddie_ | thresh: 40cm in the plains in the South of France? In friggin march? that has never been recorded! | 10:09 |
| haltdef_ | hot-- too come to think of it | 10:09 |
| haltdef_ | just don't make me go outside ever :( | 10:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | Not that I believe in global warming or anything, I'm just thinking too many people have been watching the day after tomorrow, and the gods have taken notice | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | Or maybe Iceman was really pissed off because Rogue dumped him. | 10:10 |
| crashanddie_ | either way, it's that time of the day again, going back to the hotel, catch ya later. | 10:11 |
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| crown77 | good morning | 10:18 |
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| joga | hmm...after yesterday's incident it seems the battery doesn't charge beyond 60%? weird :( | 10:26 |
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| joga | or, uh, nevermind, I think it was just batterygraph messing up | 10:28 |
| atiti | hummz, maemo.org gives me an empty page :S | 10:28 |
| joga | me too | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | is being looked at | 10:28 |
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| FIQ | . | 10:29 |
| joga | I wonder if batterygraph is working properly...I updated it on a bus yesterday and now it seems to show battery charge jumping from 60% to 95% in a minute or something, just a steep vertical step there | 10:29 |
| FIQ | -. | 10:29 |
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| RST38h | joga: enable "Charger", see if it has been charging ion that period | 10:37 |
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| joga | RST38h: the cyan "Charge" line in the graph has the same form as the red "Percent" line, and they go in tandem | 10:38 |
| joga | oh, you meant charger | 10:38 |
| RST38h | joga: you want to see if device has been charging | 10:39 |
| joga | well...it seems to have charged weirdly | 10:39 |
| RST38h | then it is ok | 10:39 |
| joga | I *did* put it to charge immediately when I came to work | 10:39 |
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| joga | hmm... though now that I look at it closer, I think it has charged all this time, it's just that there's a nearly 1 hour period where it's supposedly charging but charge or percentage has not gone up at all, and then they suddenly peak | 10:40 |
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| tekojo | Site has been back to normal for a while now | 11:10 |
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| tekojo | seems like a cache file got corrupted to size 0 | 11:10 |
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| heoa | n810: how do you use cmake to 'make' things like screen? | 11:15 |
| heoa | I have sources, but cannot understand how cmake works | 11:15 |
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| thresh | cmake . | 11:16 |
| thresh | make | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | gmake | 11:16 |
| RST38h | nmake =) | 11:17 |
| heoa | cmake . = make cmake install . = make install + | 11:18 |
| heoa | ? | 11:18 |
| inz | cmake . = ./configure | 11:18 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 11:19 |
| Arif_ | QtIrrecco can't update either! | 11:19 |
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| heoa | apparently, I got wrong .tar.gz-package from debian, it does not contain CMakeLists.txt | 11:21 |
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| heoa | how do I know which packages contain CMakeLIsts.txt -file? | 11:22 |
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| gouverneur | morning | 11:25 |
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| gouverneur | heoa: at debian you can look into file lists at packagegs.debian.org | 11:26 |
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| aboyer | if my maemo application uses gstreamer, can i also use libcanberra to play audio "sound effects"? | 11:31 |
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| nidO | sigh | 11:50 |
| nidO | worst morning | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's monday, of course it's bad | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:51 |
| nidO | my n900's case has vanished | 11:51 |
| tybollt | n00bmunkey: To be honest I never used my Gwave account... :-| | 11:51 |
| nidO | literally completely gone :< | 11:51 |
| tybollt | nidO: ? How? | 11:51 |
| tybollt | I mean do you leave your N900 outside on the porch over night? | 11:52 |
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| nidO | I have no clue. came home at like midnight last night and know I had it when I walked into my apartment. | 11:52 |
| nidO | put the phone on my stand when I went to bed, sans case as normal | 11:52 |
| nidO | this morning, no case anywhere | 11:52 |
| tybollt | ehr by case you mean like a belt case or whatever? | 11:53 |
| tybollt | not the actual phone housing? | 11:53 |
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| nidO | ah yea sorry just a leather case for it :P | 11:54 |
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| tybollt | I thought - all of a sudden - you had a piece of circuit board on your stand there :) | 11:55 |
| nidO | thankfully my monday morning isnt quite *that* bad :> | 11:55 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO: worst? | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y | ouch | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y | just read up lol | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y | havnt got round to getting a decent case yet :)- still use a £1.50 slip on sock case :P - | 11:57 |
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| nidO | the leather case I got was just a £3.50 piece of crap off ebay I was just gonna use for a month till I could get an easecase when they came back off holiday | 11:58 |
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| nidO | but when it arrived it turned out to be really decent so I just stuck with it | 11:58 |
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| nidO | and as it seems to have vanished, iv now ordered 2 more \o/ | 12:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 12:01 |
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| zap | Anybody can tell me where I can find the latest correct package categories for Diablo? This link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories shows an incorrect list | 12:11 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Incorrect list? | 12:13 |
| zap | yep | 12:13 |
| zap | user/utilites, for example, shows as "utilites" in my Russian Maemo | 12:14 |
| zap | it's an unrecognized category | 12:14 |
| zap | it seems the list in wiki is a project that has been never implemented | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | That is expected. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Indeed. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | There has never been an update after we set that. | 12:15 |
| zap | so the rules from maemo3 still apply? | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | zap: Well, in the repository we enforce the new ones. | 12:17 |
| zap | cool :) so thats why I was wondering autobuilder told me that "user/tools" is a non-standard category | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | We decided that our list was more sane. And hoped diablo would get another update. | 12:18 |
| tybollt | brannigan! | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | Which didn't happen. But the community SSU can do that perhaps :) | 12:18 |
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| zap | tybollt: wazzup, sonny? | 12:19 |
| zap | X-Fade: Can you point me to the extras-testing repository for diablo? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 12:20 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: good to see nothing happened to you :P | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | zap: there is none. | 12:21 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: dude, I'm shocked | 12:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I seriously could be there today | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: :nod: | 12:22 |
| zap | X-Fade: then where the built .deb files are? I want to test it | 12:22 |
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| X-Fade | zap: extras-devel | 12:22 |
| zap | ah | 12:22 |
| zap | ahem | 12:23 |
| zap | there's no bash3 package in extras-devel | 12:23 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: cause I wanted to go to buy headphones in the early morning, and "Park Kultury" is my changing station | 12:23 |
| wazd | holy crap | 12:23 |
| tybollt | wazd: ouch :-/ what are your thought | 12:23 |
| tybollt | s | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | zap: Takes a while, let me check. | 12:23 |
| zap | well, it was built at 27 march | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | zap: Then I need to check even more ;) | 12:24 |
| zap | :)) | 12:24 |
| zap | can you delete the 'bash' package then? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: still good to see you're okay though :P was wondering about it when reading | 12:24 |
| zap | I renamed it to bash3 to avoid maintainer conflicts | 12:24 |
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| X-Fade | I see it in the pool dir a least. | 12:24 |
| zap | X-Fade: here? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/ | 12:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, I was a bit surprised to receive like 7 phonecalls in a row | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | and then they shut down the mobile network? :P | 12:25 |
| zap | is it a caching webserver issue again? | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Yes, I see it in the staging repo. But let me see if it has been pushed to the public one. | 12:26 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: we had a network shutdown once, when one powerstation node burned down :) | 12:27 |
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| timeless | #qt | 12:30 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:30 |
| timeless | :( | 12:31 |
| noobmonk3y | #qt-maemo? | 12:31 |
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| acidjazz | nidO: what case doy ou use? | 12:33 |
| nidO | this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280476080517 | 12:34 |
| tybollt | nidO: velcro/magnet? | 12:38 |
| nidO | its a hidden magnet in the leather. doesnt interfere with the screen though, only magnets that're at the bottom of the phone (when held in portrait) trigger the screen, that ^ case just has a single one in the middle | 12:39 |
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| tybollt | ah nice | 12:40 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Ok, found the issue. Should be available now/soon. | 12:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo nidO - that one looks quite good - has it got holes in the right places so to speak? | 12:49 |
| nidO | no, it's essentially a carry case only - the ports are all covered and the device isnt usable in the case as the front cover covers the entire screen/keyboard area | 12:50 |
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| nidO | its amazingly well made for £4.50 though, I was expecting some piece of crap that fell apart in no time but the leather's not bad, it's microfibre lined, and the stitching's really good | 12:51 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:51 |
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| Rabidus | how is it supposed to develop a gps-based software to maemo? can't test it with xephyr, or can i? | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | you have no hardware? | 13:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | you have the normal sdk? | 13:13 |
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| Sampppa | Rabidus, easiest way is to write small timer that will call "changed" callback every now and then with some fake coordinate values | 13:24 |
| Rabidus | SpeedEvil, what is abnormal sdk? :) I have Maemo 5 SDK | 13:27 |
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| Rabidus | and yes, i have hardware, but it's not so handy to copy from pc to n900 just to try | 13:27 |
| Rabidus | it takes several minutes | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | just copy the bin | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway | 13:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | look at osm2go et al | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | some can use gpsd as a backend too | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | that supports a fake gps device | 13:28 |
| Rabidus | :O | 13:29 |
| Rabidus | oh thanks | 13:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | or just fake it internally- add rand() metres to lat eack tick | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | or just fake it internally- add rand() metres to lat eack tick | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 13:30 |
| corecode | anybody have an opinion which gamma value for the maemo display is suitable? | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | if it turns you into the hulk, you've gone too far. | 13:31 |
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| corecode | :) | 13:31 |
| corecode | i just want some nice intense colors | 13:31 |
| jaska | gamma-emitting-diode display?:) | 13:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | It could be under emergency call options. | 13:34 |
| jaska | dial hulk | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | yep. | 13:34 |
| corecode | now i have such a nice wallpaper | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | turn user into hulk. | 13:34 |
| corecode | that i don't want any widgets | 13:34 |
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| corecode | updating wallpaper | 13:36 |
| corecode | self-updating | 13:36 |
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| corecode | somehow upstart didn't start my script | 13:41 |
| corecode | on boot | 13:41 |
| corecode | also, somehow the phone was off this morning | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 6am. Do you know where your ssh keys are? | 13:43 |
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| * corecode nods | 13:48 | |
| corecode | 6am? | 13:49 |
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| zap | X-Fade: Tested package, how do I push it into extras? http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash3/ | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | zap: Go to the armel version and click on Promote | 13:53 |
| zap | No promote button :( | 13:53 |
| zap | There's a "Warning: This package is not using one of the allowed user/* sections!" | 13:53 |
| zap | maybe it prevents the button from appearing? | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | Yes, it does. | 13:53 |
| nidO | you've also got no bugtracker link specified, you can promote it to -testing without one but it wont make it to extras | 13:54 |
| zap | X-Fade: and what do I do? | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | nidO: Not required for diablo. | 13:54 |
| RST38h | zap: user/utils? | 13:54 |
| zap | RST38h: user/utils is not recognized by Application Manager | 13:54 |
| nidO | ah, I was looking at his fremantle package | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | Hmm ok, It seem I need to exclude bugtracker checking for diablo. | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | Let me fix that. | 13:55 |
| RST38h | zap: a moment | 13:55 |
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| zap | RST38h: see my discussion with X-Fade a few pages up | 13:55 |
| zap | regarding categories | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | Ah no, was looking at the fremantle version too :) | 13:56 |
| RST38h | zap: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-devel.html | 13:56 |
| RST38h | zap: user/tools. | 13:56 |
| zap | RST38h: it's user/tools already | 13:57 |
| zap | Section: | 13:57 |
| zap | user/tools | 13:57 |
| RST38h | weird | 13:57 |
| * RST38h reads back, carefully | 13:57 | |
| X-Fade | We use the new categories. | 13:57 |
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| zap | so, for fremantle package to get through I need a bugtracker link? | 13:58 |
| RST38h | yes | 13:58 |
| RST38h | now you do. | 13:58 |
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| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g900r_Fk8xE | 14:06 |
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| nidO | that looks severely faked to me | 14:07 |
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| corecode | looks like a rdesktop session :) | 14:09 |
| atiti | anyone knows how to sign up for a google soc project? | 14:09 |
| nidO | yeah its clearly just vnc'ing to the n900 | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | atiti, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs | 14:10 |
| atiti | thx VDVsx | 14:11 |
| tybollt | hmm it was suicide acts... chechnya - (russia) in u'r chcecnya killin u'r dudes | 14:11 |
| corecode | huh? | 14:12 |
| ech0dish | i dunno i read it like 3 times | 14:12 |
| rmrfchik | synatx error 2 | 14:13 |
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| thresh | yeah, -ECANTPARSE | 14:14 |
| rmrfchik | not well formed. has neither dtd nor schema defined | 14:15 |
| rmrfchik | broken links | 14:15 |
| RST38h | BASIC? | 14:17 |
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| rmrfchik | or FOCAL | 14:18 |
| ech0dish | xchat refuses to add #maemo to fav list grrr | 14:18 |
| RST38h | 105 AH FOCAL | 14:18 |
| RST38h | ech0dish: it is trying to tell you something | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Reuters makes unusual headline: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S1GF20100329 | 14:19 |
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| t3rm1n4l | hi | 14:21 |
| t3rm1n4l | does maemo sdk support wifi/bluetooth | 14:21 |
| t3rm1n4l | ? | 14:21 |
| RST38h | no, not the sdk | 14:21 |
| t3rm1n4l | so we need device to code and test | 14:21 |
| t3rm1n4l | right ? | 14:21 |
| RST38h | I think hrw made a more complete emulation of n810 once, it supported these | 14:22 |
| noobmonk3y | i think so, my app would be useless on the sdk :( - which is why i dont use it :( | 14:22 |
| RST38h | SDK is pretty useless to test/debug stuff anyway, so do not put too much trust into it | 14:22 |
| t3rm1n4l | okay | 14:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | the device is the way forward :D (I code on mine, saves the hassle of everything else, hehe) | 14:22 |
| t3rm1n4l | i am with an idea to develop ad-hoc telephony support | 14:23 |
| Shapeshifter | atm, tracker is only used for the media tag indexing on the n900, right? | 14:23 |
| noobmonk3y | t3rm1n4l: you lost me already ;) | 14:24 |
| RST38h | images too | 14:24 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: ahh | 14:25 |
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| tybollt | heh | 14:34 |
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| tybollt | I meant | 14:36 |
| Appiah | tybollt: sounds fun! | 14:36 |
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| Appiah | err i mean t3rm1n4l | 14:36 |
| tybollt | it looks like it's the chechnyans after all | 14:36 |
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| tybollt | soon we'll have | 14:36 |
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| tybollt | (russia) in ur base killin ur dudes... | 14:37 |
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| t3rm1n4l | Appiah: I didnt get you | 14:37 |
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| tybollt | base being chechnya :) | 14:37 |
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| crashanddie | t3rm1n4l: ad-hoc telephony support? | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | t3rm1n4l: is that a fancy way of saying talkie-walkie? | 14:38 |
| t3rm1n4l | yes | 14:38 |
| t3rm1n4l | through wifi/bluetooth | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | then why don't you just say that? | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | not bluetooth | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | bluetooth would be limited to 3-4 meters | 14:39 |
| t3rm1n4l | :) | 14:39 |
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| crashanddie | wifi maybe, but then again, pretty limited | 14:39 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh. is the libqttracker master branch supposed to compile? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | do you have two n900s? | 14:39 |
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| t3rm1n4l | i dont have | 14:39 |
| t3rm1n4l | that is why i asked whether sdk supports that | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | sdk? | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | what sdk? | 14:40 |
| Appiah | Maemo SDK | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | there's an SDK now? | 14:40 |
| t3rm1n4l | i mean the VM | 14:40 |
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| crashanddie | no, scratchbox doesn't support that | 14:40 |
| Appiah | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 14:40 |
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| crashanddie | Appiah: it's going to need quite a few software revisions and changes before I start calling it an SDK ;) | 14:41 |
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| Appiah | crashanddie: ok | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | throwing together a bunch of libraries and then telling people "TADA, an SDK!" | 14:41 |
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| Appiah | So whats missing from it to be a "real" sdk? | 14:41 |
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| Appiah | only launched it to compile a few things | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | Unified API, a recommendation on the language to use, unified documentation | 14:42 |
| crashanddie | for starters | 14:42 |
| Appiah | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ whats wrong with that API ? | 14:42 |
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| crashanddie | then we could build forth, going with maybe a small IDE editor and then finally maybe, who knows, even a GUI editor? All packaged nicely in a single product that can be installed on multiple platforms? | 14:43 |
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| Anss| | crashanddie, is http://doc.trolltech.com/ ok? :) | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | Meh, I guess some politicians will never learn: don't go use your computer when drunk | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | Or you might end up saying like this: "Anime is a prime example of why two nukes just wasn't enough." | 14:48 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. I really don't get this. I'd like to compile libqttracker on my desktop, and I've got both qt 4.6 as well as python 2.6, and it says these are the only dependencies. I do qmake (which doesn't output anything) and then make and then it fails miserably because of billions of errors like "/usr/include/QtCore/qsequentialanimationgroup.h:86: error: ‘d_ptr’ was not declared in this scope" | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: not that I've used Qt in a long time, but doesn't qmake replace make altogether? | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: because that looks strangely like an inclusion or path problem that qmake could figure out | 14:49 |
| Shapeshifter | crashanddie: the install instructions from libqttracker tell me otherwise (namely qmake && make) | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | nevermind then, I'll stfu | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | just to be sure: have you tried switching it off and on again? | 14:50 |
| Shapeshifter | crashanddie: me? | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | no, the serial killer in your attic complaining the chainsaw doesn't seem to be working properly | 14:51 |
| Shapeshifter | what would I need to switch off and on again?? I'm compiling it on my desktop. | 14:51 |
| Anss| | Shapeshifter, where is your qt installed? | 14:51 |
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| _gpg_ | hi | 14:52 |
| Shapeshifter | Anss|: /usr/lib/qt (well, the libs are, other stuff is in other places where they belong) | 14:52 |
| Anss| | and you have qt 4.7? | 14:53 |
| Anss| | 4.6 | 14:53 |
| Shapeshifter | Anss|: qt 4.6 I have | 14:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | Anss|: and includes are in /usr/include/ | 14:53 |
| Anss| | you are using default qmake i assume because that is not default installation path | 14:54 |
| _gpg_ | Is there any failsoft system mode in maemo ? i mean modes when the system halts to make flash repair, batery is low etc | 14:54 |
| Shapeshifter | Anss|: not default installation path? since when? it even says this exact path in the error | 14:55 |
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| nidO | _gpg_ press u + plugin = flasher mode, regardless of how much you screw up the os | 14:55 |
| Anss| | sdk goes under different path iirc | 14:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | Anss|: sdk?? Pause. This is a desktop computer. It has archlinux installed on it. libqttracker is just yet another qt/tracker related project. it's not maemo specific in any way. | 14:56 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm asking in here, because it will be used in maemo in harmattan. | 14:56 |
| Shapeshifter | so I was wondering if someone knew about it ;) | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | then ask in qt | 14:57 |
| _gpg_ | nidO: Is there any document describing flasher mode or upgrade mode please ? | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | obviously not, we all hate qt | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | _gpg_: a bunch, google it | 14:57 |
| _gpg_ | nidO: asking in developer perspective not end user | 14:57 |
| Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I doubt it | 14:57 |
| nidO | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 14:57 |
| nidO | documentation on the flasher is available there | 14:57 |
| _gpg_ | nidO: thanks | 14:57 |
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| Anss| | Shapeshifter, ok. i was just wondering because normally qmake uses libs from the same path were qmake is installed. there are sometimes problems where qmake is used from default $PATH, not from the "updated" qt version. | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | _gpg_: also, http://tinyurl.com/yc6prze | 14:59 |
| _gpg_ | crashanddie: thanks | 14:59 |
| Anss| | Shapeshifter, ...but if that is not the case... then something different. | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | which qmake ? | 14:59 |
| Anss| | qmake -v | 15:00 |
| Anss| | qmake -query | 15:00 |
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| crashanddie | I actually meant the command "which qmake" | 15:00 |
| Anss| | yes, but qmake -query shows the actual lib paths. | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | 9 hours ahead? Yeah, GA should be awake by now\ | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: yo, wake up | 15:01 |
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| hrw | morning | 15:09 |
| hrw | RST38h: qemu emulation of n8x0 was not done by me - I was first who got it working without files from nokia (other then fiasco image of diablo). | 15:10 |
| hrw | RST38h: there is no wifi (ethernet emulation gives network) but there is BT | 15:10 |
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| mortal | what is the status of the n8x0 community os thing/new version? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | community ssu is going ahead nicely | 15:14 |
| mortal | good good | 15:15 |
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| mortal | I just love my n800, got it for 45 eur used | 15:15 |
| mortal | it is like a unique device | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | it is | 15:16 |
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| tybollt | is it way diff from say 810? | 15:16 |
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| haltdef_ | argh, estimated delivery time 16:30-17:30 | 15:21 |
| haltdef_ | was hoping for a whole day of messing :P | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:22 |
| haltdef_ | gonna take n900 and x1 to work tomorrow anyway, get an idea of what battery life is like without finding myself phoneless halfway through | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | your battery usage will be bigger initially cos of playing so much | 15:24 |
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| tybollt | haltdef_: X10? | 15:25 |
| haltdef_ | 6 hours of mp3s, 4 of those with all radios off | 15:25 |
| haltdef_ | no, x1 | 15:25 |
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| haltdef | that's not too demanding I don't think | 15:26 |
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| haltdef | always a 2400mah extended battery if stock isn't good enough | 15:27 |
| jo-erlend | when I open the applications menu, I get first one screen with some common applications, with a "more"-button leading to all of them. Is it possible to merge those two and have the complete list show up when I use the "start button"? | 15:27 |
| nidO | youll get that as of pr1.2 | 15:28 |
| jo-erlend | was that for me, nidO? | 15:28 |
| Arif_ | jo-erlend, flash to PR1.2 | 15:28 |
| jo-erlend | what does that mean? | 15:28 |
| nidO | next update | 15:28 |
| Arif_ | the next firmware update | 15:28 |
| Arif_ | ......that's not out yet | 15:28 |
| nidO | = no more more button | 15:28 |
| jo-erlend | do I have to flash, or can I upgrade it online? | 15:29 |
| Arif_ | ......which was scheduled end of February :P | 15:29 |
| nidO | you can ota upgrade when it's released | 15:29 |
| Scelt | Arif_: any dates now? | 15:29 |
| jo-erlend | ah, great. | 15:29 |
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| Arif_ | Scelt, April 1st! | 15:29 |
| Scelt | Arif_: awesome! | 15:29 |
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| Arif_ | you never know with nokla | 15:29 |
| Arif_ | you wake up one morning and there's an orange ! blinking there | 15:30 |
| tybollt | nidO: there's an app for consolidating menus like that | 15:30 |
| Scelt | Arif_: waiting for the ovi maps 3 too :P | 15:30 |
| ccooke | Afternoon, all | 15:30 |
| Arif_ | and portrait mode? :P | 15:30 |
| nidO | there are two indeed, but with a bit of luck pr1.2 is just round the corner anyway | 15:30 |
| Arif_ | We thought that in February too | 15:31 |
| Scelt | Arif_: not so important for me. but it could me nice if virtual keyboard would be in use in portrait mode and otherwise keyboard. needed that kind of for a few times already | 15:31 |
| nidO | you may have | 15:31 |
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| nidO | no sdk, no autobuilder switch = no imminent patch | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | Scelt, you can always wait I guess | 15:31 |
| noobmonk3y | did someone say 'Portrait Mode' lol!!!!! | 15:31 |
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| Scelt | Arif_: what else then? :P | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | I doubt Nokia will release real maps for Moomo 5 | 15:32 |
| nidO | I really dont get the fascination of portrait mode | 15:32 |
| nidO | whats the big deal, really | 15:32 |
| Arif_ | nidO, one hand usage \o/ | 15:32 |
| nidO | who the hell wants to use a phone one-handed to do anything more complex than dial a phone number anyway? | 15:32 |
| Arif_ | send a 50 character IM message or change the song | 15:32 |
| Arif_ | ;) | 15:32 |
| nidO | have you ever seen just how wonderfully usable portrait qwerty virtual keyboards arent? | 15:32 |
| noobmonk3y | meh.... | 15:32 |
| noobmonk3y | i bought a landscape phone knowing that i could use it two handed :D | 15:33 |
| Arif_ | that's why I only demand it in the media player and conversations | 15:33 |
| Arif_ | :D | 15:33 |
| noobmonk3y | otherwise a vertical slider and a smaller screen would have made sense ;) | 15:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | its a compromise - and as stated in that tmo thread - its not far of 50/50 ... its a wish for some, but not an essential for most | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | Nokia needs to think of the minorities | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | like the goverment! | 15:34 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo ovi store down again :D | 15:34 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Arif_ | 15:34 |
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| nidO | store down all day today | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | I know I'll get the new Moogo device anyway | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | they can not implement all they want =} | 15:35 |
| nidO | publisher side was down all day yesterday too | 15:35 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm a minority in my own country ;) lol (Ok thats a bit hardsh i know, and is not meant rudely) - but i do feel that way at times with our lovely government | 15:35 |
| nidO | fingers crossed for some kind of worthwhile improvement | 15:35 |
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| Arif_ | nidO, they tripped over the server's LAN calbe and it broke while updating Firefox mobile | 15:35 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 15:36 |
| Arif_ | they're now trying to find a store with a 20 meter cable | 15:36 |
| hrw | 1PR 1.2 will be in november | 15:36 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:36 |
| tybollt | hmm no | 15:36 |
| tybollt | PR1.2 is confirmed for april | 15:36 |
| noobmonk3y | maybe the intern has tried to update ovi store with the 1.2SDK ;) lol | 15:37 |
| hrw | tybollt: it was before told for 'next week' etc | 15:37 |
| noobmonk3y | confirmed? :D | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | it fixes 3 bugs anyway | 15:37 |
| tybollt | hrw: "next week" was what I heard _here_. | 15:37 |
| noobmonk3y | i stick with my estimate of 12th - 24th april | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | no hurry | 15:37 |
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| hrw | tybollt: and where was 'april' told? | 15:37 |
| tybollt | hrw: "avail in april" is from Nokia head of maemo in .se, so.............. | 15:37 |
| tybollt | nokia officials > random #maemo user | 15:37 |
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| tybollt | really | 15:37 |
| Arif_ | maybe they're integrating Flash 12 | 15:38 |
| Arif_ | with 3D support | 15:38 |
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| jo-erlend | what does PR1.2 stand for, and where can I find information about it? | 15:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:39 |
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| hrw | tybollt: anyway it needs to be soon - otherwise maemo can start losing devs as now you can not distribute freshly built apps for users | 15:39 |
| noobmonk3y | its a readable name for the firmware version jo-erlend | 15:39 |
| Scelt | jo-erlend: http://www.nokian900applications.com/firmware-pr1-2-for-nokia-n900-very-soon/ | 15:39 |
| nidO | you can find information about almost anything maemo related on the wiki, the forum, or google. | 15:39 |
| noobmonk3y | goto settings -> about to get your full version number | 15:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | w0000000000p | 15:42 |
| Arif_ | maybe I should get one for mobile media playback | 15:43 |
| frals | tybollt: whos nokia head of maemo in .se? :D | 15:43 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 15:43 |
| tybollt | hrw: ah you mean the sdk thing? Yeah that's a bloody mess, don't ask me... All I know is nokia head of maemo for sweden chatted to users on m3.se (in .se unfortunately) and said basically he doesn't know whne it'll arrive but that it'll be in april | 15:43 |
| frals | didnt know nokia had a meego branch in .se even | 15:43 |
| tybollt | frals: den där jädra hooppjärkan som far runt på twitter i ett | 15:43 |
| tybollt | frals: Clas Nåntingellerannat | 15:43 |
| * Arif_ only understood twitter in there | 15:43 | |
| Arif_ | xD | 15:43 |
| Scelt | stick with english please | 15:44 |
| frals | right | 15:44 |
| tybollt | frals: kolla chatten på m3.se/mobil.se | 15:44 |
| frals | ya trying to find it | 15:44 |
| Scelt | frals: option to sms reply for fmms could be nice | 15:44 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:44 |
| hrw | tybollt: anyway nokia tried hard to make maemo not easy to develop for and they did not yet failed | 15:44 |
| frals | Scelt: yeah i know, im looking to getting it to do that from conversations but its a fucking mess trying to launch it | 15:45 |
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| * Arif_ never sent an mms in his life :( | 15:45 | |
| Scelt | frals: okay. then man, you rock | 15:45 |
| frals | tybollt: mobil.se is a fucking terrible site | 15:45 |
| tybollt | frals: yes, yes indeed. :( | 15:45 |
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| tybollt | frals: http://www.mobil.se/articles/Lasarna-chattade-med-Nokia-1.338588.html | 15:47 |
| frals | ah ta | 15:47 |
| Scelt | I should understand that | 15:47 |
| Scelt | and I can see that I mostly do | 15:48 |
| Anss| | min svenska är liten rust :) | 15:48 |
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| Scelt | yeah, mine too but gotta try | 15:49 |
| Scelt | why there's Mvh for every answer | 15:49 |
| frals | means best regards | 15:50 |
| frals | pretty much | 15:50 |
| Scelt | yeah, I know. just wondered why it's there but maybe that's summary from many letters or something | 15:50 |
| frals | ye its a summary | 15:51 |
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| Anss| | med vänliga hälsningar | 15:52 |
| frals | "Hej! Nästa uppdatering för N900 beräknas komma under april." *estimated* april btw | 15:52 |
| Scelt | I would say just one regard | 15:53 |
| Scelt | med vänlig hälsning | 15:53 |
| tybollt | frals: jajaja | 15:53 |
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| frals | Scelt: proper swedish is to use 'med vänliga hälsningar' ;) | 15:53 |
| Anss| | med vänligä hälsningar ~ best wishes | 15:54 |
| Scelt | frals: I'm just a Finland's swede. Born to use the language as we mind :P | 15:54 |
| Anss| | *warning educational content! | 15:54 |
| Anss| | :) | 15:54 |
| frals | Scelt: :D | 15:54 |
| Scelt | frals: but you're getting nice credit in that article. every MMS question has the fMMS as answer | 15:55 |
| frals | yeah saw that, hehe | 15:55 |
| Scelt | and to correct the statement before, I'm not even a real Finland's Swede, more like a half of it | 15:56 |
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| Arif_ | frals, has Nokia sent you some love? | 16:02 |
| Arif_ | Something along the lines of "Thanks for implementing something we're too lazy to do" | 16:02 |
| frals | they paid for a trip to helsinki so i could get help, so id say yeah :p | 16:02 |
| * hrw wants calendar with timezones | 16:02 | |
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| hrw | so "phone call at 16:00 UTC" would be possible to enter without calculating which hour it is in local time | 16:03 |
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| Scelt | frals: wow. suprising but cool | 16:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals... more interestingly have they offered you a well paid job :D hehe (Or at least some free tech!) - flights are all very good, but not very re-usable ;) | 16:04 |
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| frals | similar to other devs i got a dev device | 16:05 |
| hrw | frals: and there is still a need to manual connect to manual defined APN just to receive/send mms? | 16:05 |
| Scelt | auto connect has worked for me | 16:05 |
| frals | and while i was there i got to talk to pretty much anyone i needed | 16:05 |
| frals | hrw: more or less | 16:05 |
| Scelt | frals: auto connect works fine for me | 16:05 |
| frals | pr1.2 brings a list of operator MMS settings so hopefully that will cut away the need for configuration for a lot of people at least | 16:05 |
| frals | Scelt: yeah, same here, but its still experimental :) | 16:06 |
| Scelt | okaydokay. operator MMS settings are great | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm, not actually tried any auto connects yet.... but there was a good q on the forum, if the mms apn connections work (ie, internet etc loads up through it) can that not be on all the time? or are there cost implications? | 16:06 |
| Scelt | I've accidentally choose that MMS connection from time to time | 16:06 |
| hrw | frals: so it will be list of settings for feature which is not present on phone. I wonder what will be next | 16:07 |
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| hrw | wimax access points stuff? | 16:08 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: depends on the carrier, they might charge you an arm and a leg for using it for browsing etc | 16:08 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh - i will investigatey - might be worth trialling and checking, as in some cases, if all is ok... then i could update the wiki page and people could have fmms acting almost as though it was built in :D | 16:09 |
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| frals | hrw: another way to look at it is the fact nokia is helping people trying to improve the device.. :p | 16:09 |
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| flux | what nokia needs to provide is the capability to connect to multiple APNs at a time, though | 16:10 |
| X-Fade | flux: Kind of hard when the second APN uses an alternative internet with colliding ips. | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: iportrait did you say? | 16:11 |
| Arif_ | :P | 16:11 |
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| noobmonk3y | brb gotta go help needy people D | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 16:11 |
| flux | x-fade, hard, maybe, but not impossible?-) | 16:12 |
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| X-Fade | flux: No, but not easy to fix at least. And afaik needs a recent kernel as that is implemented only recently. | 16:13 |
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| flux | x-fade, any pointers? I'd like to read about that | 16:13 |
| frals | kernel needs network namespaces which was added in 2.6.31 i think | 16:13 |
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| X-Fade | flux: read the mms wiki pages. | 16:14 |
| hrw | frals: sure, but with closed conversations you cannot merge your work into that interface rather fully? | 16:14 |
| frals | hrw: it should be doable to implement mms as a telepathy-ish plugin so it integrates fully with conversations i think | 16:15 |
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| frals | but after looking into it i decided it was not worth the effort for me | 16:15 |
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| tybollt | for an mms developer you're awfully anti mms ;) | 16:17 |
| hrw | thats what I talk about | 16:17 |
| frals | im sure it would be easier for someone who is familiar with telepathy and c to do it | 16:18 |
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| tybollt | anyway it is GPL I guess? so free for anyone to pick up and work on, right? | 16:20 |
| frals | yes | 16:21 |
| jo-erlend | I don't understand the complaints about missing mms. I've had mms on my phones for years, and I think I've used it once. | 16:21 |
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| hrw | jo-erlend: I used it more often | 16:21 |
| MiXu- | MMS is good for communicating with people who don't have email in their phones | 16:22 |
| hrw | when I was at garden show friend called me 'buy me pear OfThatTypeExactly' - I made photo, sent him as mms and got answer 'yes, that one' | 16:22 |
| jo-erlend | MiXu-, I refuse to communicate with that kind of people. :) | 16:22 |
| cos^ | has anyone found how to view the google latitude map? | 16:22 |
| hrw | with n900 I have to make photo, launch mail app, compose mail, find photo on disk, send, call him to fetch mail | 16:23 |
| MiXu- | jo-erlend: Good luck with your social life then ;) | 16:23 |
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| cos^ | i installed the updater, updated my position, but haven't found how to see the actual map | 16:23 |
| hrw | with e66 I just had to make photo + send as mms ption from menu | 16:23 |
| jo-erlend | MiXu-, actually, I would have a very hard time finding anyone here who doesn't have email on their phones. | 16:23 |
| MiXu- | Me too at work. | 16:23 |
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| hrw | jo-erlend: my wife does not use email on phone. but she uses mms and videocalls | 16:23 |
| jo-erlend | weird. | 16:23 |
| MiXu- | But my gf or any of my relatives probably don't use email with their phones. | 16:23 |
| tybollt | hmm | 16:24 |
| frals | hrw: with fmms you take photo + "share via" -> mms ;) | 16:24 |
| tybollt | I'll agree mms is usefull (at times)... video calls? no way | 16:24 |
| frals | share via service* | 16:24 |
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| hrw | frals: can I send text mms with fmms? | 16:24 |
| MiXu- | frals: There's also share via email | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | video calls could be handy | 16:24 |
| hrw | frals: I pay same for sms and mms but mms allows for ~1K of text instead of 16 chars | 16:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not for the obvious use. | 16:25 |
| frals | hrw: uh, as in only text? should work fine | 16:25 |
| hrw | s/16/160/ | 16:25 |
| apt | hrw meant: frals: I pay same for sms and mms but mms allows for ~1K of text instead of 160 chars | 16:25 |
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| jo-erlend | hrw, how much do you pay per message? | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | imagine shopping for furniture, and being able to consult over video. | 16:25 |
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| hrw | jo-erlend: 5 eurocents? | 16:25 |
| jo-erlend | hrw, how would I know? | 16:26 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 16:26 | |
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| Scelt | I pay 33 euros in a month. includes 3000 mins, 3000 sms, 3000 mms and 3000 mins of video calls | 16:26 |
| hrw | jo-erlend: I mean: something about 5 €c | 16:26 |
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| gouverneur | that you have to pay for sms in europe is still a damn money maker | 16:26 |
| jo-erlend | it's insane... | 16:26 |
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| hrw | Scelt: my operator does not make a difference between voice or video call | 16:26 |
| gouverneur | hrw: what op are you at? | 16:27 |
| Scelt | mine does but it doesn't matter. I'm not using 3000 mins of calls in a month anyhow | 16:27 |
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| jo-erlend | the faster we can dispose of the old pstn for plain audio, the better. Pure internet-based UC is what I want. | 16:27 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: when my wife goes to school for whole weekend I used videocalls to call her during evening so our daughter could say 'good night' for her. n900 does not allows that | 16:27 |
| gouverneur | hrw: yet | 16:28 |
| hrw | jo-erlend: sure, especially in GSM/9600bps covered areas | 16:28 |
| jo-erlend | and don't get me started on phone numbers... I feel like a damn POW when I tell people my phone number. :) | 16:28 |
| hrw | gouverneur: I know, I know - PR3.0 will bring it in 2016 | 16:28 |
| jo-erlend | hrw, we have LTE here now. :) | 16:28 |
| hrw | gouverneur: plusgsm | 16:28 |
| hrw | jo-erlend: que? | 16:28 |
| jo-erlend | hrw, 100-150Mbps OTA. | 16:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol my last bill - used 5 minutes of my 800 free minutes and 350 of my unlimited texts.... hmmm 2gig of my 500mb download limit (Supposedly unlimited) - but no warnings, all good here :D | 16:29 |
| hrw | jo-erlend: also on nokia 5110? | 16:29 |
| SukhE | Hi. Can anyone point me to which app is the standard for recording audio in Maemo? Something like when I want to record audio notes. | 16:29 |
| jo-erlend | hrw, heh, no, I don't think that'll happen either. | 16:29 |
| hrw | SukhE: install recorder from repo | 16:29 |
| SukhE | Ok I will check it out. Thanks. | 16:29 |
| hrw | jo-erlend: I have friends which use phones which does not know what EDGE is | 16:29 |
| jo-erlend | hrw, but I don't have to use PSTN in order to call a PSTN number. I have a VoIP SIP service account. | 16:29 |
| hrw | SukhE: try also recaller | 16:30 |
| ech0nokia | hrm xchat works good :) | 16:30 |
| gouverneur | hrw: "Video calling can be accessed through contacts." PR1.2 changelog, those bstrds mean for IM only? | 16:30 |
| noobmonk3y | SukhE: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recorder/ | 16:30 |
| SukhE | hrw, noobmonk3y: ty. | 16:30 |
| noobmonk3y | and........ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recaller/ | 16:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:30 |
| noobmonk3y | hrw :) - i'm your handy little helper today ;) | 16:30 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: ;D | 16:30 |
| Scelt | I like that n900 wouldn't anymore offer all numbers but only cells for sms | 16:30 |
| hrw | Scelt: as selectable option so I will still be able to send sms to landline | 16:31 |
| noobmonk3y | ech0nokia: yup :D | 16:31 |
| gouverneur | SukhE: recorder has crackling noice I just tested at a friends band gig, and its not an issue with the mic | 16:31 |
| hrw | not that I do that but still possible | 16:31 |
| jo-erlend | "recaller" is a nice app. I wish I could make it record all phone/voip conversations automatically. | 16:32 |
| hrw | gouverneur: PR1.2 sdk does not give that option for my test contact which has mobile phone, gg, icq accounts listed | 16:32 |
| tybollt | Scelt: | 16:33 |
| SukhE | This looks nice too: http://easy.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:33 |
| tybollt | Scelt: that is absolute bullshit | 16:33 |
| noobmonk3y | jo-erlend: might be possible to use another app that moniotrs dbus calls to do that i suppose...... when dbus picks up a call receive - auto run gstreamer to record? | 16:33 |
| Scelt | tybollt: | 16:33 |
| noobmonk3y | omg i sound geeky | 16:33 |
| MiXu- | llol | 16:33 |
| Scelt | tybollt: why? | 16:33 |
| tybollt | Scelt: my home phone receives and sends sms just fine | 16:33 |
| jo-erlend | noobmonk3y, oh, the phone app provides a dbus interface? | 16:33 |
| tybollt | so only listing "mobile phones" is pure BS | 16:33 |
| * Arif_ sneezes | 16:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | yup i think so..... there is commands on tmo, just not figured it all fully out yet | 16:34 |
| Arif_ | stop talking so nerdy when I have a cold.... | 16:34 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 16:34 |
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| jo-erlend | Arif_, prosit. | 16:34 |
| gouverneur | hrw: sdk is very different to the actual phone I recognized, because of missing emulation of the actual device | 16:34 |
| Scelt | tybollt: haha, maybe it's optional or then you can change phone -> cell | 16:34 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: say it don't spray it | 16:34 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: vodka, works better ;) | 16:34 |
| hrw | gouverneur: software is software | 16:34 |
| * Arif_ doesn't use alcohol :O | 16:34 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:34 |
| noobmonk3y | use or abuse.... life is tough | 16:34 |
| hrw | gouverneur: and with pr1.2 scheduled for unknown day... | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | exams+cold=not nice | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 16:35 |
| noobmonk3y | yay healthcheck is almost at 21k downloads :D | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | yay | 16:35 |
| noobmonk3y | now if only i charge 10p per download lol | 16:35 |
| gouverneur | hrw: then you trie to run maemo on a HP-XP... | 16:35 |
| hrw | I know one thing - without DDP I would not buy n900 - so far it is not worth 600€ | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y, you'd have more money than %80 off the applestore developers | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | :D | 16:35 |
| gouverneur | hrw: why are you so negative? | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | hahaha good point | 16:36 |
| tybollt | hrw: DDP? | 16:36 |
| gouverneur | hrw: I payed 500... | 16:36 |
| tybollt | Double Density floPpy? | 16:36 |
| hrw | tybollt: Developer Discount Program - 250€ | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | lol hrw | 16:36 |
| tybollt | hrw: oh - why is that? | 16:36 |
| Arif_ | I got mine for 400 | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo wonder if i would qualify for that in the next device? :D | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | 367 karma has come from nowhere | 16:36 |
| Arif_ | noobmonk3y, only if you implement portrait mode | 16:36 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: i'll portrait mode you soon lol | 16:37 |
| Arif_ | XD | 16:37 |
| noobmonk3y | you will no longer look so horizontal ;) | 16:37 |
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| hrw | tybollt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32951 | 16:37 |
| Arif_ | that's only because I'm laying all the time!@ | 16:37 |
| gouverneur | noobmonk3y: another word for fat... have to remember that one | 16:37 |
| tybollt | hrw: no... I mean why wouldn't you buy the device? | 16:38 |
| * Arif_ ports noobmonk3y to the iPhone | 16:38 | |
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| RST38h | "A new study in rats suggests that high-fat, high-calorie foods affect the brain in much the same way as cocaine and heroin." | 16:39 |
| hrw | tybollt: I used S60 powered nokia E66 before n900. so far n900 does not have features which it had | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Bacon! | 16:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lol gouverneur ;) - portraitl'y challenged...... | 16:40 |
| noobmonk3y | eeeeeek - i've become an ifruit | 16:40 |
| gouverneur | RST38h: for life! | 16:40 |
| Arif_ | RST38h, so that's why I'm near braindead! | 16:40 |
| gouverneur | RST38h: so chips and other stuff is just the right food to get a drive? | 16:41 |
| ech0nokia | i would prefer to disable portrait mode all together until its supported more.. | 16:41 |
| * Arif_ prefers Symbian ported to the N900 | 16:42 | |
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| hrw | tybollt: I had working gps navigation which is not available on maemo5 (which has ~6 apps which tries to do that), working and usable calendars | 16:42 |
| gouverneur | ech0nokia: I would like to disable all the fancy eyecandy | 16:42 |
| Arif_ | hrw, Sygic? | 16:42 |
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| hrw | Arif_: give me demo to check is it worth 60€ | 16:42 |
| Arif_ | define "demo" | 16:42 |
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| Arif_ | :innocent: | 16:43 |
| hrw | Arif_: symbian version of sygic was crap - city searching after 3 letters only... | 16:43 |
| gouverneur | hrw: the first thing I do to a navigator is "up the shut f**, you must" | 16:43 |
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| Arif_ | I find Sygic fairly usable on Moomo... | 16:43 |
| hrw | Arif_: demo - version which works for 1-3 days, can be limited to one map and for example to trips <100km | 16:43 |
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| andrewfblack | I can't beleive this post is 3 pages long should be two posts long http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48638 | 16:44 |
| Arif_ | you could always borrow it from somewhere... | 16:44 |
| hrw | Arif_: n8x0 had navigation software with 1 week licence | 16:44 |
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| ech0nokia | sygic works good except for when walking then i find the default one comes in really handy... was in downtown houston yesterday and didnt get lost at all. | 16:45 |
| hrw | my e66 came with 1 month free navigation (now is probably covered with free ovi maps) | 16:45 |
| zap | X-Fade: still can't promote the diablo package. It seems that the "right wrong" section is a blocker condition | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | zap: Yes it is. | 16:45 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm think my e71 came with 1 month free, rarely use it, but was a bit miffed when i finally used it and was told i had 30 days.... i use it probably once a year... so only got 1 use out of it :P | 16:45 |
| zap | X-Fade: do I have to provide a wrong section for the diablo package? | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | zap: no, a proper one ;) | 16:46 |
| zap | a "proper" section name is not recognized by app manager | 16:46 |
| zap | is this okay? | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Yes. | 16:46 |
| zap | haha | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | zap: But for fremantle it needs to have that anyway. | 16:47 |
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| Arif_ | noobmonk3y, Ovi maps is free you know..:p | 16:47 |
| tybollt | free * | 16:47 |
| tybollt | free on _new_ phone | 16:47 |
| noobmonk3y | :D - everything just feels like effort on the e71... so i just use the n900 now :D | 16:47 |
| tybollt | fee on _old_ phone | 16:47 |
| Arif_ | just get the damn sis file | 16:47 |
| Arif_ | :p | 16:47 |
| bigon | hi, is there any way to get informations about the GSM cell | 16:48 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:48 |
| noobmonk3y | bigon, what info do you want? | 16:48 |
| tybollt | Arif_: no you don't understand | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | zap: You might want to add your email from the changelog to your account, so it links it in the changelog view. | 16:48 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: ovi maps is not free for say E71 or such | 16:48 |
| Arif_ | tell that to my N95 8GB | 16:48 |
| tybollt | Arif_: only for newer phones is it free | 16:48 |
| bigon | noobmonk3y: power, if it supports UMTS, the id of the cell | 16:48 |
| Arif_ | I just got the 3.03 installer from someplace and it works fine | 16:49 |
| tybollt | ok | 16:49 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm i've got some of that out in my healthcheck app | 16:49 |
| noobmonk3y | hold on will find the stuff i used | 16:49 |
| tybollt | someone explain the ovi maps thing for Arif - please :) | 16:49 |
| * d14 have sygic on e71 and n900 too ;) | 16:49 | |
| bigon | It could be interesting to make a client for http://www.opencellid.org/ | 16:49 |
| Arif_ | tybollt, if you get the 3.03 installer from somewhere you're not supposed to it'll work on older phones too | 16:49 |
| hrw | bigon: listen to dbus - cellId are announced | 16:49 |
| bigon | \o/ | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | zap: http://maemo.org/profile/edit/ | 16:50 |
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| bigon | and for other informations like 3g support? | 16:50 |
| noobmonk3y | bigon: i used http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API and some code from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/n/netmon/ in healthcheck | 16:50 |
| zap | X-Fade: you mean to replace the email I have there? | 16:50 |
| tybollt | Arif_: you still need to pay subscription fee for old devices - new devices won't | 16:50 |
| zap | X-Fade: this will invalidate my certificate, no? | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | zap: No.. 'Additional emails' | 16:50 |
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| ech0nokia | how does the ps1 emus run? u can run tekken? or ff? | 16:50 |
| bigon | thx! | 16:50 |
| bigon | :wi4 | 16:50 |
| noobmonk3y | bigon - it detects what types of networks you have available | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | zap: Just add that one there, so it can match to your account. | 16:50 |
| Arif_ | tybollt, oh fine..you do :P | 16:51 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: I have the E675 w/ 3.03 and I got asked to pay like yesterday | 16:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | bigon: download my healthcheck app in downloads and see if that helps? - shows some of what you can get out | 16:51 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: E75 | 16:51 |
| Arif_ | did you get a version that's supposed to work for a device that's newer? | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! my big big boss just walked in, and i just had the urge to burp rather violently | 16:52 |
| bigon | noobmonk3y: I will have a look at that tonight | 16:52 |
| bigon | thx | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | :D your welcome :D (Spent ages trying to figure that out myself!) | 16:52 |
| ech0nokia | whoever made the app that turns the gentle press of the camera to the alt tab menu thanks i love that! | 16:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | ech0nokia: what app? | 16:53 |
| noobmonk3y | oh the button thingy one | 16:53 |
| noobmonk3y | gotcha | 16:53 |
| hrw | ech0nokia: shortcutd? | 16:53 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah | 16:53 |
| noobmonk3y | good app! | 16:53 |
| ech0nokia | makes it so easy to switch out of any fullscreen app... | 16:54 |
| noobmonk3y | bigon: (lol me again) - screenshot of some o fthe info here (first post) - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&highlight=healthcheck | 16:54 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2010/ovi-maps-en.shtml | 16:55 |
| * noobmonk3y burps | 16:55 | |
| tybollt | However I was puzzled who was going to pay for these "free" services at the end of the day. I got my answer from Jukko Hosio of OVI Maps: "There is no extra charge for OVI maps navigation service, it is included in smartphone price starting in March for new models". Then there were some more questions, and in one answer they mentioned that from that point on all S60-based smartphones would come with this service. | 16:55 |
| tybollt | arif: ^^^^^^^^^^ | 16:55 |
| * noobmonk3y lols - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8593206.stm | 16:55 | |
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| noobmonk3y | ~slap Arif_ | 16:56 |
| * apt slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 16:56 | |
| ech0nokia | i dunno the name of it somethin bout the cam button... if u look threw the repos u will find it.. | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | apt? | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | apt?!?! | 16:56 |
| Arif_ | tybollt, as I said, if you install a version for a different handset it works on older ones too :o | 16:56 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: s/apt/rpm/ surely ;-) | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot has changed name and sex in one foul swoop?! | 16:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol tybollt good point | 16:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | apt on mon-fri and rpm at the weekends? | 16:57 |
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| ech0nokia | would be cool to have a row of customizable shortcuts on the top row of the alt tab.. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ignore noobmonk3y | 16:58 |
| * apt sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, noobmonk3y!" | 16:58 | |
| * noobmonk3y needs to start a tmo poll......... why is DocScrutinizer allllllllways so grumpy......... | 16:59 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously sex hasn't changed | 16:59 |
| noobmonk3y | lol DocScrutinizer | 16:59 |
| tybollt | Arif_: Is it that simple to work around? :) | 16:59 |
| Arif_ | yes =D | 16:59 |
| Arif_ | well, f your phone is haxx0rd | 16:59 |
| tybollt | you have a haxx0red s60? | 17:00 |
| tybollt | do spill boy :) | 17:00 |
| Arif_ | don't get excited | 17:00 |
| noobmonk3y | he litterally got a hack-saw to it........ | 17:00 |
| Arif_ | it's just a certificate hack | 17:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 17:00 |
| noobmonk3y | brb | 17:00 |
| Arif_ | I did get some S60v3 FP2 features on the N95 though :D | 17:01 |
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| Arif_ | like the fancy UI | 17:01 |
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| ech0nokia | i want to tap into my gfs phone.. i got access to it and all.. any thing out there that i can use from my n900 to connect with hers via bt? | 17:02 |
| tybollt | where the (shoped) pics to back these claims? | 17:02 |
| tybollt | arif^^^^^ | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | so. any clues why I can't checkout git://gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker.git/ on the n900? it fails at random points, sometimes saying warning: templates not found /home/builder3/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/git-1.6.5.7/debian/git/usr/share/git-core/templates or git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help' fatal: index-pack failed and then it might go on counting objects and compressing objects (100% ... | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | ... (5302/5302), done.) and then it just sits and waits. | 17:02 |
| noobmonk3y | ech0nokia: - Arif_ haxx0rs things we hear | 17:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwwww! | 17:03 |
| noobmonk3y | evil! | 17:03 |
| tybollt | grumpy DocScrutinizer is ... grump | 17:03 |
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| tybollt | u | 17:03 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 17:03 |
| * tybollt & | 17:03 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange, there's no infobot incarnation | 17:04 |
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| * noobmonk3y dances on apt's grave | 17:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart noobmonk3y | 17:07 |
| * apt drops a humongous exploding nuke on noobmonk3y | 17:07 | |
| noobmonk3y | lart?!?! | 17:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik tim rikers infobot is chanset #maemo autojoin infobot | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not apt | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | well... it knows ~, so who cares | 17:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | >:( | 17:14 |
| Arif_ | >:|? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: o/ :) | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: hi there | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: any news about Tuner? | 17:15 |
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| Arif_ | heh | 17:17 |
| Arif_ | the first few pages in General are all movied topics | 17:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | does anyone else have problems cloning stuff from gitorious? | 17:21 |
| Shapeshifter | like "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly, fatal: early EOF, fatal: index-pack failed" | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds quite familiar for slow hosts, no? | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or if the TCP connection timeouts of your client are quite short | 17:23 |
| Shapeshifter | I dunno | 17:24 |
| * Shapeshifter will download the tar instead. | 17:25 | |
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| marcus__ | Oh gawd. | 17:27 |
| * noobmonk3y waves g'bye..... off home :D w000p! (And it's just started raining, oh yay) | 17:27 | |
| marcus__ | I hope I will receive the n900 before the holidays start (thursday) | 17:27 |
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| Arif_ | trade your i8910 HD for my N900? | 17:29 |
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| haltdef | heh, waiting for yours to be delivered too? | 17:30 |
| Arif_ | nah | 17:30 |
| Arif_ | I'm thinking of getting an i8910 | 17:30 |
| marcus__ | halfdef: Indeed. | 17:31 |
| Arif_ | oh.... | 17:31 |
| * Arif_ shuts up | 17:31 | |
| * marcus__ giggles | 17:31 | |
| Arif_ | :D | 17:31 |
| * Arif_ sends marcus__ the upper and haltdef the lower part of his N900 | 17:31 | |
| Shapeshifter | and now gitorious is broken completely | 17:32 |
| marcus__ | >:( | 17:32 |
| marcus__ | gimme both | 17:32 |
| haltdef | DPD saying 16:27 and 17:27 today :P | 17:32 |
| haltdef | (15:32 now) | 17:32 |
| * haltdef twiddles thumbs | 17:32 | |
| marcus__ | DPD? | 17:32 |
| haltdef | courier | 17:33 |
| marcus__ | (: | 17:34 |
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| Arif_ | its 16:34 | 17:34 |
| Arif_ | ;( | 17:34 |
| marcus__ | yup | 17:35 |
| nidO | its 15:34 :( | 17:35 |
| nidO | wish it was 16:34 | 17:35 |
| Arif_ | why :D | 17:35 |
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| * marcus__ wishes it was wednesday or thursday | 17:36 | |
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| * Arif_ wishes for a new Nokia device | 17:37 | |
| * marcus__ wishes for Arif_'s n900 | 17:37 | |
| * luke-jr wishes for a new handheld, ideally non-Nokia | 17:38 | |
| luke-jr | :p | 17:38 |
| * marcus__ wants to slap his brother for yelling "THERE'S MAIL FOR YOU MARCUS!" and it was only a joke | 17:38 | |
| * Arif_ hands luke-jr a Samsung | 17:38 | |
| haltdef | haha | 17:38 |
| Arif_ | lol | 17:38 |
| marcus__ | :( | 17:39 |
| haltdef | stab in the leg at least for that | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | Samsung is even worse than Nokia when it comes to firmware | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | =D | 17:39 |
| haltdef | why do you want a samsung phone | 17:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | so that it matches his samsung washing machine and samsung regional train he takes to work. | 17:39 |
| Shapeshifter | oh wait that was siemens >.> | 17:40 |
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| Arif_ | apart from coreplayer missing it has most things I want ;( | 17:40 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:41 |
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| Arif_ | hai! | 17:41 |
| haltdef | what a craptastic screen | 17:41 |
| Arif_ | what screen? | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Find the missing graph: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/29mar10oub234tcds.jpg | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: saw the one i pointed you to the other day? | 17:42 |
| Arif_ | stop redirecting from blogs! | 17:42 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: dunno; I was mostly being humourous. | 17:42 |
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| nidO | looks from that graphs like palm had a nice surge of pre sales, then all the owners took them back a month later and swapped them with android phones | 17:43 |
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| hrw | RST38h: there is no Symbian there? | 17:45 |
| Khertan | SFML <<--- someone know this lib | 17:45 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:45 |
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| nidO | hrw: the source is admob anyway so meaningless | 17:45 |
| hrw | Simply F.cked My Library? | 17:45 |
| Khertan | hrw, lol | 17:45 |
| Khertan | Simple and Fast Multimedia Library | 17:46 |
| Khertan | but as it s look like a frenchy libs | 17:46 |
| Khertan | i think this isn't something well know or supported | 17:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | this sdk gui setup, where does it install scratchbox and all that stuff to? I don't see an option and reading the script I'm not getting clues | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: tuner? | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: hmm, maybe: "any news on tuner mess with 1.2?" | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, what? :P | 17:54 |
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| hrw | I got at least one dev more hairless | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: eh | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
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| hrw | ~love http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025629.html | 17:57 |
| apt | If you love http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025629.html so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) | 17:57 |
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| dmj726_n900 | how do I change the font in a hildon button...I am finding that's not really documenter anywhere. | 17:59 |
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| zap | X-Fade: bash3 for Diablo is stuck again, unlike Fremantle's | 18:02 |
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| zap | X-Fade: for some reason it doesn't renew in the promote interface (there is still the old version) | 18:02 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Let me check. | 18:03 |
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| Arif_ | did the forums die? ;o | 18:13 |
| haltdef | hackers | 18:13 |
| Arif_ | oh there it is | 18:13 |
| Arif_ | just hammer F5 | 18:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | this sdk installer is a fucking joke. | 18:23 |
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| Anss| | Shapeshifter, any good? | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: agreed | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, the sdk itself | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | P | 18:24 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd need to clear up space on / for it to install to a completely different partition then / is on because it ditches all downloads in /tmp before installing it. | 18:24 |
| Shapeshifter | I meant the gui installer | 18:24 |
| Shapeshifter | it's like my desktop turned into an n900 lacking root space | 18:24 |
| * Shapeshifter goes editing the script | 18:25 | |
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| Shapeshifter | on second thought I'll just not use it at all. | 18:26 |
| dmj726_n900 | hmm...guess I just needed to use gtk buttons instead of hildon ones | 18:27 |
| zap | X-Fade: still old version here for diablo: http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash3/ , is that normal? | 18:28 |
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| X-Fade | zap: Patience young padwan.. | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade | *padawan even ;) | 18:30 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Meep, y n900's headphone jack is failing. | 18:30 |
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| dmj726_n900 | At any rate, I noticed that hildon/gtk doesn't seem to register enter signals for buttons except on the press or release. | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: elaborate | 18:32 |
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| dmj726_n900 | any clue why? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: TMP=/sdkmount/tmp install-sdk | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ChinaGrabber-BPhone/ | 18:34 |
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| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: the jack loses contact with my 3.5 MM headphone connector if there isn't pressure put on it. | 18:37 |
| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: I don't know if it's the connector, or the solder joint with the PCB. | 18:37 |
| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: I'll probably mail it back to Nokia for a warranty repair when I get back from boston. | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's not soldered | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: afaik AV receptacle is a non-solder springloded contact type | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a spring connector | 18:38 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: anyway make sure it's not the headset plug | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or cable | 18:38 |
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| Sargun_Screen | DocScrutinizer: It's not the headset. This headset plugs into "real" A/V equipment just fine. | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sargun_Screen: what's the exact symptoms? | 18:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: unfortunately, that didn't change the location where it installs all the scratchbox stuff to ^^. just a couple of small temp files | 18:42 |
| Shapeshifter | *files | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: incredible | 18:42 |
| nidO | sigh | 18:42 |
| nidO | users and other mailserver administrators want to make me slit my wrists | 18:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: tmp is hardcoded into the script at several locations | 18:43 |
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| Arif_ | nidO, sounds like effort and pain! | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia, master of hardcoded shit | 18:43 |
| nidO | it'd be less effort than dealing with morons that basically subscribe to extortion rackets thinking it protects their servers from junk | 18:44 |
| Arif_ | :D | 18:44 |
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| jatt | I asked this question before but I am not sure about the final answer. If I run my n900 with AC power will it drain the battery after the battery is fully loaded? | 19:02 |
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| jatt | someone gave me a link to the openmoko wiki but I couldn't find an answer there. | 19:03 |
| Trizt | jatt; from own experience it seems like the battery is drained when it has become fully charged | 19:03 |
| nidO | the battery will get drained once it's filled | 19:04 |
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| nidO | battery fills > battery discharges to 80% or so > fills again | 19:04 |
| nidO | if left plugged in | 19:04 |
| jatt | I see. It's strange because the battery applet doesn't show the battery is getting drained. | 19:04 |
| jatt | I see | 19:04 |
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| jatt | I mean, I want to use AC power at home to avoid using the battery | 19:05 |
| nidO | you cant | 19:05 |
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| Trizt | plug out the batter ;) | 19:05 |
| nidO | device wont work | 19:05 |
| jatt | hehe | 19:05 |
| haltdef | ohi n900 | 19:05 |
| jatt | will it work? no battery with AC only? | 19:05 |
| Arif_ | let an alarm go off when its charged and unplug it | 19:05 |
| Arif_ | :P | 19:05 |
| nidO | no | 19:05 |
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| nidO | the device physically has no passthrough power | 19:05 |
| jatt | I see | 19:06 |
| jatt | how can you create an alarm that goes off when its charged? | 19:06 |
| Arif_ | there's probably one way or another | 19:06 |
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| Trizt | I have to say that the battery which came with the n900 don't hold power as well as the extra battery I bought | 19:07 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: 128 MB RAM is crap | 19:07 |
| jatt | Trizt: I'm sorry I didn't understand you well: what do you mean with don't hold power? you can run with AC power only without draining the battery? | 19:08 |
| Trizt | jatt; when using the n900 without AC, the original battery discharges faster than the extra battery I bought | 19:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | hold = retain | 19:09 |
| jatt | which battery did you bought? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: fair enough, was just in the form you had thought about | 19:10 |
| Trizt | The same | 19:10 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: yeah :( | 19:10 |
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| Arif_ | wasn't Moogo being released this month? | 19:11 |
| nidO | week* | 19:11 |
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| nidO | scheduled release for weds | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: that's utter nonsense to unplug when battery charged | 19:11 |
| RichardP | i don't suppose anyone has written an app to display sms and email message notifications on the front screen? | 19:11 |
| achipa_irssi | Arif_: march 31 | 19:12 |
| Trizt | RichardP; Converstaions ? | 19:12 |
| achipa_irssi | but I prefer Korg to Moog | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jatt: the battery *needs*vdischarging after full charge. Keeping it at 100% all the time will make it break and possibly explode after a few months | 19:13 |
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| jatt | I understand that. I was hoping you can run the n900 on AC power only. | 19:14 |
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| flux | just wish there was a way to schedule charging so that it's charged in the morning | 19:14 |
| flux | or rather, I wished when I didn't yet have my mugen \o/ | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for the link: | 19:15 |
| flux | I guess I could always use a timer :) | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq | 19:15 |
| apt | well, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 19:15 |
| RichardP | Trizt: when an sms comes in, there is no visible notification on the front screen | 19:15 |
| nidO | there is | 19:15 |
| nidO | its just discreet | 19:15 |
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| RichardP | nidO: oh? | 19:16 |
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| nidO | take a look at the task switcher icon when you have an sms in | 19:17 |
| Arif_ | the icon on the top left goes white | 19:17 |
| Khertan | and the led | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: which one? I don't notice anything beyond the notifier that vanishes, and the indicator led blue flashing | 19:17 |
| Arif_ | you don't hear any sound when playing music though | 19:17 |
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| nidO | the task switcher icon goes to the "theres tasks backgrounded" picture and its flushed white | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 19:18 |
| Trizt | nidO; don't that depend on the theme? | 19:18 |
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| nidO | granted its not specific to sms's, but it tells you theres something you missed, either an sms, call, or email | 19:18 |
| nidO | well yeah exactly what the icon changes to depends on the theme | 19:18 |
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| Khertan | uhm ... seems update is near ready ;) | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bright-bluesh vs white? great contrast | 19:19 |
| RichardP | interesting | 19:19 |
| RichardP | cheers | 19:19 |
| pillar | hmm, seems like new updated system packages have arrived in the repositories.. apt-get upgrade is giving a long list of updatable packages | 19:19 |
| pillar | I wonder if it's safe to upgrade them, I'm assuming they are the ones getting updated with PR1.2, Qt is in the mix as well | 19:20 |
| nidO | its generally not | 19:20 |
| Arif_ | you can always reflash | 19:20 |
| Arif_ | \o/ | 19:20 |
| nidO | id wait for the upgrade to show up in ham, if apt's showing the packages then the update's presumably on the way | 19:20 |
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| Khertan | pillar, i think all package are not available yet | 19:21 |
| Khertan | wait a bit will be safer | 19:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:21 |
| pillar | Khertan: quite possible | 19:21 |
| pillar | but I guess it's gonna be quite soon now then at least | 19:22 |
| Khertan | pillar, yep this is why i said that : "<Khertan> uhm ... seems update is near ready ;)" some minutes ago :) | 19:22 |
| Khertan | i notice it too when playing with apt :) | 19:22 |
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| Arif_ | so that's why they broke Ovi store today | 19:22 |
| Khertan | ah ... : | 19:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:23 |
| Arif_ | PR1.2 as a 10 euro paid update | 19:23 |
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| Arif_ | :P | 19:23 |
| Khertan | and now i understand more too the answer from the devel mailing list | 19:23 |
| Trizt | cool, getting paied to update to pr1.2 ;) | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | normally all you have to do is upgrade the firmware on your N900 | 19:23 |
| Khertan | to PR 1.2, as I understand it. | 19:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:23 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 19:23 |
| Arif_ | Trizt, no no | 19:23 |
| Arif_ | YOU pay | 19:23 |
| Arif_ | like you pay for new iPhone firmwarezs | 19:24 |
| pillar | Khertan: oh you did yeah, didn't notice | 19:24 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:24 |
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| Khertan | :) | 19:24 |
| Trizt | what's iPhone? | 19:24 |
| Arif_ | a fruity phone | 19:24 |
| Trizt | Like iOrange's windows mobiles? | 19:25 |
| Arif_ | yeah, but more expensive | 19:25 |
| haltdef | wow, so fast | 19:25 |
| Arif_ | with a half eaten apple on the back | 19:25 |
| Khertan | haltdef, ? | 19:25 |
| Trizt | I don't pay for half eaten food | 19:25 |
| haltdef | n900 arrived :p | 19:25 |
| Arif_ | haltdef, its 18:25! | 19:26 |
| Arif_ | :p | 19:26 |
| haltdef | yea arrived half an hour ago | 19:26 |
| haltdef | just been faffing | 19:26 |
| Arif_ | did you turn it on? | 19:26 |
| haltdef | yes | 19:26 |
| nidO | broke it yet? | 19:26 |
| haltdef | that omg charge and leave for 8 hours .. never happens | 19:27 |
| Arif_ | screw that | 19:27 |
| haltdef | I've tried in the past, not this time | 19:27 |
| Arif_ | go play with it | 19:27 |
| haltdef | I am :p | 19:27 |
| Arif_ | fill it with pr......media! | 19:27 |
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| nidO | mine has plenty of both \o/ | 19:27 |
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| Arif_ | mine only has music | 19:27 |
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| Trizt | I had to store "The Code" and "Revolution OS" on it | 19:28 |
| Arif_ | wah? | 19:28 |
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| Trizt | Two documentaries about Linux | 19:28 |
| haltdef | 32GB storage .. most I've had in a mobile device | 19:28 |
| kirma | so the part that sucks all the battery on google chat idling is the google server sending space every half a minute? | 19:29 |
| nidO | basically yeah | 19:29 |
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| kirma | has anybody experimented with setting some sort of sanity-recovering proxy? | 19:29 |
| Arif_ | haltdef, its only 27GB | 19:30 |
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| Arif_ | \o/ | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kirma: I heard of such efforts, yes | 19:30 |
| haltdef | hush | 19:30 |
| Khertan | kirma, you mean a tool discovering porn media and delete it ? | 19:30 |
| Khertan | ;) | 19:30 |
| kirma | ehh | 19:30 |
| Arif_ | lol | 19:30 |
| Arif_ | move to China? | 19:30 |
| kirma | one that wouldn't pass those protocol keepalives so often ;) | 19:30 |
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| Trizt | No, need, the great firewall is entering the world | 19:31 |
| Arif_ | the EU wants a filter of its own too | 19:31 |
| Arif_ | =} | 19:31 |
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| Trizt | Arif_; Australia too | 19:31 |
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| Khertan | us too in a few time too ... (acta) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: yeah, Germany put that shit on hold, basically canceled it. Now EU parliament resumes on same idiocy :-/ | 19:32 |
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| * noobmonk3y grumbles | 19:33 | |
| Arif_ | nobody seems to mind though | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | everyone's like "I HAS NOTHING TO HAID" | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 19:33 |
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| kirma | err | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's about filtering, not spying on user | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | we're getting there slowly.. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | German approach was based on DNS redirects - gasheaded idea | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but filtering IP's as well doen't work | 19:35 |
| madduck | so, my / is full | 19:35 |
| madduck | rootfs 233344 229072 0 100% / | 19:35 |
| madduck | what's next? | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | how did you do that | 19:35 |
| satmd | DocScrutinizer: no approach will work | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 19:35 |
| satmd | not without having extensively censorship results | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I state EU parliament is a bunch of idiots | 19:35 |
| madduck | Arif_: I just installed some applications from these repos: http://slexy.org/view/s2Unhl55b0 | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | what's the 7th one | 19:37 |
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| madduck | Arif_: someone who compiled all of Debian etch for maemo, but I didn't think I installed anything from there | 19:37 |
| madduck | I wonder how I could find out though,. | 19:37 |
| nidO | um | 19:37 |
| noobmonk3y | mad - you at 100% rootfs? | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | you should stop installing apps from devel randomly | 19:38 |
| nidO | you probably just filled rootfs mostly just with the apt cache | 19:38 |
| nidO | considering you have the sdk repo enabled as well as freemoe | 19:38 |
| nidO | and -devel | 19:38 |
| noobmonk3y | madduck, apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove to start | 19:38 |
| noobmonk3y | deisable any repos other then the basics | 19:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | disable* | 19:38 |
| madduck | nidO: 32.0M /var/lib/apt/lists | 19:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | if you have python installed, python-optify is a good one , but try the above first | 19:39 |
| hrw | have a nice rest of day | 19:40 |
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| * noobmonk3y will brb | 19:43 | |
| RichardP | how easy is it to tether an N900 without network operator support? | 19:44 |
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| madduck | hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed | 19:45 |
| madduck | :( | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | it has a lanyard hole. | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | solarion, easy. | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: err, the internets over N900, for your laptop? | 19:45 |
| madduck | except it *is* installed | 19:45 |
| MiXu- | madduck: It probably wants a newer version | 19:46 |
| RichardP | DocScrutinizer: yes, tethering ;) | 19:46 |
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| RichardP | Im about to make the jump from the iPhone | 19:47 |
| madduck | MiXu-: i thought dist-upgrade would be smart enough to do that | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: doesn't need any carrier support. Just plug in to PC and select "PC suite" from popup menu | 19:47 |
| MiXu- | madducK: it's possible that the right version isn't available yet. | 19:47 |
| RichardP | DocScrutinizer: excellent, no need to pay the extra £10 then | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: the carrier has pretty little means to tell if the N900 or a tethered PC is causing the data traffic | 19:49 |
| * SpeedEvil went for the cheapest option he could find in the uk. | 19:49 | |
| SpeedEvil | T-mobile payg 6 mo internet booster for 20 quid. 1g/mo | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: but some cheap "data plans" restrict your access to e.g. port80 aka http: | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: ...or to special sites (IP filtering) | 19:50 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | SpeedEvil: is that just payg web, no calls? | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | t-mobile does that, but you can turn it olff if you want 4chan | 19:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, no, calls extra | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RichardP: i.e check if your data plan is net neutral and allows all kinds of services in the net to be accessed | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, but I get 100 kbytes /s lying on sofa. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | walled gardens have mostly died in the uk | 19:52 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | SpeedEvil: how do you turn off restrictions? tunneling? | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | thank god. | 19:52 |
| C-S-B-N900 | yeah im on O2 and i get real good speeds on hspda on my n900 | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, click button on website supply cc number, wait for 50p charge to auth you as ana asult | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | adult | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: O2 here in D is pretty good. They don't even forbid or filter SIP or skype | 19:53 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | why pay more SpeedEvil sounds well, evil. just to use your connection. | 19:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: i hope they dont here, but ive not used skype ovee 3g | 19:54 |
| nidO | im on o2 in the uk | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's to prove you're an adult. voda does this too | 19:54 |
| nidO | and C-S-B-N900 dont worry, no skype blocking | 19:54 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: cheers, btw had a phone interview today, woot! | 19:55 |
| nidO | do be aware though if you use the normal o2web username, they apply compression to images viewed over http to reduce their size | 19:55 |
| madduck | is it safe for me to deinstall all the language packs i don't need? | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B-N900, and under £3/mo for internet is good enough for me. | 19:55 |
| madduck | i.e. can I ever restore the N900 to the original state? | 19:55 |
| madduck | or should i really have made a filesystem dump? | 19:55 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900: a phone interview? | 19:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: what username do you use? | 19:56 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: over the phone, not in person. | 19:56 |
| C-S-B-N900 | preliminary | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: acttually the 3G carriers like vodafone and O2 now sell 3G-routers to hook up your LAN to their UMTS. Supposed to provide standard internet access | 19:56 |
| nidO | switch the o2web username for bypass and leave all other details the same and youll get a connection with no image altering. frankly though I generally stick with the compression, the difference in webpage images isnt easy to spot on the n900 unless you're looking for it, and it cuts down data transfer | 19:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | they had that in oz, some people have to have that. | 19:57 |
| Myrtti | either there's a peacock running loose on the hotel grounds, or a kid is having a ragefit | 19:57 |
| nidO | here vodafone does it the other way round, and tries to palm people off with their femtocell trash | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like a femptocell over 3g | 19:58 |
| nidO | C-S-B-N900 what was the interview for? :p | 19:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | that is - a relay that can work from a 10m mast | 19:59 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: just a contral win support role | 19:59 |
| madduck | is there a tarball of the basic N900 as shipped by nokia out there? | 20:00 |
| nidO | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, femtocell == 3G-router^-1 | 20:00 |
| madduck | nidO: but what about /opt? | 20:00 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nid0 im using the vertigo username. | 20:01 |
| nidO | madduck: theres an image there for the emmc as well | 20:01 |
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| madduck | nidO: hm, i must be blind. thanks! | 20:01 |
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| nidO | I think vertigo probably uses compression as well | 20:01 |
| nidO | thats the username thats meant to be for iphone users | 20:02 |
| nidO | which apn are you connecting to? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 20:02 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | payg | 20:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | payandgo.o2.co.uk | 20:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | [sbox-: ~] > sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86 ----> sb-conf: No such target: FREMANTLE_X86, sb-conf: No current target. any clues? fresh pr1.2 scratchbox/sdk install. | 20:04 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i dont remember if i just stuck it in myself or got it from them. | 20:05 |
| Shapeshifter | the old sdk worked on my laptop and the systems are more or less identical. | 20:05 |
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| madduck | nidO: on that page, I can only find the flasher, not the images. :( | 20:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | madduck: its linked from there | 20:06 |
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| nidO | the page should link you to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 20:06 |
| nidO | which has the images. | 20:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ;) | 20:06 |
| madduck | not anymore | 20:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | great. fucking great. | 20:10 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | whats up | 20:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | C-S-B-N900: as stated above, scratchbox is failing me | 20:11 |
| * madduck is confused by available images | 20:11 | |
| madduck | is OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11 < OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1 < PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 | 20:12 |
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| BluesLee | hi, does someone know how to make a nand backup of the rootfs on the n900? | 20:12 |
| madduck | or is PR something else? | 20:12 |
| madduck | BluesLee: tar over SSH? | 20:12 |
| BluesLee | no, something flashable | 20:12 |
| Shapeshifter | even running sb-menu, which is supposed to run when no target is defined, just hangs and sits | 20:12 |
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| madduck | BluesLee: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 20:12 |
| Shapeshifter | this thing is crap. and now, I'm going to delete it, and start over. oh JOY!! | 20:12 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | Shapeshifter: at least you had it working, never got anywhere myself. | 20:13 |
| C-S-B-N900 | well correction, i think scratchbox was ok, but the sdk had a dbus error | 20:14 |
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| BluesLee | madduck: are you sure that it works in both directions? i want to backup the whole thing and flash it back in some months | 20:14 |
| madduck | BluesLee: don't know | 20:15 |
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| BluesLee | madduck: this seems to be a way http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html | 20:18 |
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| BluesLee | madduck: but i dont know how to handle the dirs besides / | 20:20 |
| madduck | BluesLee: make sure to write it up once you find out and tested it! ;) | 20:20 |
| BluesLee | madduck: for instance /opt ... it makes no sense to make a flashable image of / and you dont have the rest of the game | 20:21 |
| madduck | BluesLee: it's a separate image | 20:21 |
| madduck | or you can use tar for opt | 20:21 |
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| BluesLee | madduck: i think i have to use tar or rsync to get the files to my pc, backuping a running system is not so good | 20:22 |
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| inz | amn, i thought i got a good score when i got 50 in airport earlier today | 20:23 |
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| madduck | BluesLee: should be fine, it's linux after all | 20:23 |
| inz | now i played it again and got 103 | 20:23 |
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| madduck | only the bootloader might be a problem | 20:23 |
| madduck | not sure how it works. | 20:23 |
| inz | earlier i always had plains crash outside the screen in abt. forty | 20:23 |
| BluesLee | yes, its not so easy | 20:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | so | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | how do I uninstall this piece of crap SDK | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | just rm -R'ing the scratchbox dir doesn't work because there's billions of symlinks to my system files and stuff | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | ah. instructions in the wiki :) unfortunately, stuff doesn't work (as expected) | 20:30 |
| madduck | if my phone runs 1.2009.42-11 now, could I flash it with 3.2010.02-8 ? | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop ----> WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING Trouble umounting! Some mounts could still be active! | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | well no kiddin | 20:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | of course it doesn't tell me what the errors were or where I might be able to find out about them | 20:30 |
| Shapeshifter | how BRILLIANT | 20:30 |
| MiXu- | madduck: sure | 20:31 |
| madduck | MiXu-: even if the EMMC image is just 1.2009.41-1? | 20:31 |
| MiXu- | Ah. Not sure about that. | 20:31 |
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| MiXu- | You can always give it a try and then flash emmc as well if things don't wokr. | 20:32 |
| MiXu- | *work | 20:32 |
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| Arif_ | Shapeshifter, the joys of using linux =P | 20:32 |
| nidO | interesting to see im not the only person whos noticed that the n900's chess game is obscenely hard | 20:32 |
| * Arif_ doesn't know how to play chess ;( | 20:34 | |
| achipa_irssi | nidO: if it's still time-limited difficulty, no wonder | 20:34 |
| nidO | ? | 20:34 |
| achipa_irssi | the difficulty means how long it will 'think' | 20:34 |
| achipa_irssi | (making up numbers) like 2 seconds for easy, 5 for medium, etc | 20:35 |
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| nidO | ah - no idea how the difficulty's actually defined, I just know it's bloody hard to beat :p | 20:35 |
| Arif_ | start with easy ;P | 20:35 |
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| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 20:36 |
| amanda1 | yeah right | 20:36 |
| nidO | but yeah I guess if it's designed for a much slower system the difficulty times would need to be altered accordingly | 20:36 |
| achipa_irssi | I know that was a problem with Diablo | 20:36 |
| madduck | "N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device" | 20:36 |
| nidO | Arif_: I and most people do | 20:36 |
| madduck | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:36 |
| achipa_irssi | exactly | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | nidO: someone told me a story of a product manager who thought the chess on 770 was too easy in easy mode.. | 20:36 |
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| nidO | theres a thread on the forum with people playing 50-100 games and not beating it once on easy | 20:36 |
| nidO | it took me 10 games or so to get a win | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | (a pm who was quite good at chess, playing tournaments and such) | 20:36 |
| Arif_ | haha | 20:36 |
| nidO | that manager should slap himself then | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | so he instructed the team members to make it more difficult to match his tastes | 20:37 |
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| achipa_irssi | Stskeeps: and he was a us chess master on the run :) | 20:37 |
| Arif_ | ah | 20:37 |
| Arif_ | that's why no one can beat it ? | 20:37 |
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| nidO | well achipa_irssi's theory makes sense, if the difficulty is just based on thinking time but the same algorithm | 20:38 |
| nidO | then if the thinking time limits arent adjusted from whatever they were set to on the system it was originally written for | 20:38 |
| nidO | where say 1 second's thinking time on an old slow system = basic not-well-thought-out move but on a much faster n900 = processes it really well and plays accordingly | 20:39 |
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| achipa_irssi | at least that's what the t.m.o. legends say :) | 20:40 |
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| marcus__ | Anyone know of a tutorial for compiling apps for the n900? I heard that it needed to be compiled for a specific processor. | 20:42 |
| marcus__ | Would like to compile some C++ & SDL | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | you need maemo sdk normally | 20:43 |
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| marcus__ | I always get "Failed: 2/10 Installing Scratchbox" :( | 20:45 |
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| Arif_ | ovi store is back | 20:46 |
| marcus__ | W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 20:46 |
| Arif_ | with a total of 0 new items for the N900! | 20:46 |
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| Arif_ | the rating system went from 3 to 5 stars though | 20:46 |
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| nidO | store may be back with no new items, but they may have added maemo to the platforms able to be published-to | 20:49 |
| nidO | until yesterday at least devs couldnt publish maemo content | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | we can say it sucks 1/5th instead of 1/3rd now | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | what more do we want! | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | independance from rome. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | aqueducts. | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/29903?clickSource=homepage | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | woo | 20:50 |
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| Arif_ | € 2,00 (vergiler dahil) | 20:51 |
| ech0Asus | what? | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | lolwat? | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | 2 euro for an episode is too much ;( | 20:51 |
| ech0Asus | its tryin to sell us little snow fairy sugar? | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | yes! | 20:51 |
| ech0Asus | hahahaa... | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/29542?clickSource=homepage | 20:52 |
| Arif_ | also | 20:52 |
| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 20:52 |
| amanda1 | what scratchbox? | 20:52 |
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| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/22884?clickSource=homepage | 20:53 |
| Arif_ | there's some weird N900 stuff..... | 20:53 |
| ech0Asus | haha... wtf.. this is crazy yo.. | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | Nokia ftw =D | 20:54 |
| ech0Asus | they have speed racer rofl | 20:54 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening | 20:55 |
| ech0Asus | is joikuspot even on there lol | 20:55 |
| Xisdibik | Arif_, lols, how did you find that stuff? | 20:55 |
| Arif_ | Xisdibik, ovi store N900 Turkish mainpage | 20:55 |
| Arif_ | ech0Asus, no | 20:55 |
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| ech0Asus | they would make more money if they sold porn | 20:56 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 20:56 |
| ech0Asus | no one really cares about these videos | 20:56 |
| embedded | Is there someone who have ever used SDL libraries to get input from keyboard ? | 20:57 |
| Arif_ | ech0Asus | 20:57 |
| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/22552?clickSource=browse&contentArea=audiovideo | 20:57 |
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| Arif_ | closes to pr0n I guess... | 20:57 |
| marcus__ | embedded: I'm wondering if you're using C++ for your SDL? I dunno how to compile it for use on the n900. | 20:57 |
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| marcus__ | embedded: I have got a little test "game", but was wondering if I had to compile it differently than I use to for my desktop. | 20:58 |
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| madduck | so what is R&D mode on the n900? | 20:58 |
| Arif_ | or this http://store.ovi.com/content/24023?clickSource=browse&contentArea=audiovideo “R" for for language and some sexual content | 20:58 |
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| Arif_ | XD | 20:59 |
| embedded | marcus_ : I'm using the latest Maemo SDK, nothing else | 20:59 |
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| ech0Asus | i see no reason nokia couldn't make a porn store on the phone if they wanted to make some extra cash lol | 21:00 |
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| Arif_ | because Apple baned all porn apps | 21:00 |
| Arif_ | and whatever Apple does is cool and innovating | 21:00 |
| ech0Asus | this aint apple rofl | 21:00 |
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| embedded | marcus__ : all works fine except the keyboard inputs that don't seem to trigger any event, is there somebody can give some suggestion wish this SDL issue? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | <Arif_> and whatever Apple does is cool and innovating | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | did anything have kinetic scrolling before the iPhone? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | (serious question btw) | 21:01 |
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| Arif_ | the DS ? | 21:01 |
| ech0Asus | maemo most likely | 21:01 |
| Arif_ | about all samsung phones | 21:01 |
| Arif_ | UIQv3 too iirc | 21:02 |
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| MohammadAG | <ech0Asus> maemo most likely | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 4? I doubt that had kinetic scrolling | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't it all scrollbars? | 21:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, I have a DS, never seen kinetic scrolling (at least in its OS - if you can call it one) | 21:03 |
| Arif_ | in some games | 21:03 |
| ech0Asus | i had an n800 i could scroll with my fingers... using some extras i downloaded.. | 21:03 |
| Arif_ | you had scrolly lists | 21:03 |
| ech0Asus | specifically in canola2 i remember doing it and in the browser | 21:04 |
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| madduck | hm, flasher-3.5 says my phone is already RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_MR0 | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | and its not? | 21:04 |
| madduck | the hostname is Nokia-N900-42-11 | 21:05 |
| ech0Asus | ovi store tellin u to upgrade? | 21:05 |
| Arif_ | madduck, look in about prodcut in settings | 21:05 |
| madduck | yeah, so hostname is wrong | 21:06 |
| ech0Asus | if ovi store is tellin u to upgrade i had same issue | 21:06 |
| madduck | no, it isn't. | 21:06 |
| * madduck doesn't use ovi store | 21:06 | |
| ech0Asus | i don't either but i wanted to see it | 21:06 |
| Arif_ | but you're missing out the sugar fairies! | 21:06 |
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| madduck | Arif_: i don't think so. ;) | 21:06 |
| ech0Asus | haha | 21:06 |
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| ech0Asus | haha "Little Snow Fairy Sugar" seriously.. why? thats kinda insulting lol... | 21:07 |
| Arif_ | reminds me of super hyper monkey force go | 21:08 |
| Arif_ | maybe there was robot in there somehwere | 21:08 |
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| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 21:17 |
| amanda1 | wich iphone is the best? | 21:17 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: has nothing to do with linux | 21:19 |
| marcus__ | W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/helena-getdeb/games/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:19 |
| marcus__ | why do I keep getting this? ._. any idea? (: | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | you have something in sources.list or sources.list.d | 21:20 |
| luke-jr | amanda1: iPhones all suck | 21:20 |
| amanda1 | why | 21:21 |
| ech0Asus | i don't like mac, their stores freak me out.. | 21:21 |
| amanda1 | anyone hav esuggetions | 21:21 |
| amanda1 | on how to make small amount of money on the web | 21:21 |
| ech0Asus | reminds me of the progressive commercials.. those freak me out too! | 21:21 |
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| ech0Asus | sell everything you own on craigslist and ebay | 21:22 |
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| amanda1 | got nothing to sell | 21:23 |
| amanda1 | lol | 21:23 |
| ech0Asus | if that don't work... u could always try and sell other peoples stuff lol... just go take a picture of it and post it on there.. | 21:23 |
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| ech0Asus | they just have to come get it lol | 21:23 |
| ech0Asus | find like a fountain thats in someones yard and post it on craigslist lol | 21:23 |
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| jatt | hi, I know skype is integrated in the n900 but I am not sure if it's possible to call a normal phone with it (i.e. not call another skype user) | 21:25 |
| Robot101 | jatt: yeah, it is | 21:26 |
| ech0Asus | yeah it can call land lines and cell phones u just have to pay | 21:26 |
| Robot101 | jatt: it's a full skype client with skypeout/skypein/etc | 21:26 |
| jatt | I see I will take a look, not sure where should I put the number so it uses skype out | 21:27 |
| jatt | the number of the person I want to call | 21:27 |
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| jatt | I guess I need to add a new contact and specify it is a skype user | 21:28 |
| trumee | guys, what parts of maemo opensource? are core applications like Email client, Conversations opensource? | 21:28 |
| Arif_ | you can add a number as skype numer | 21:28 |
| Arif_ | or just dial the number and set it to a skype call | 21:28 |
| jatt | I see, that's pretty cool I will try this feature | 21:29 |
| Arif_ | skype is so overpriced though | 21:29 |
| felipec | has anyone experienced an IM that is never really showed, and keeps coming when the window is closed? | 21:29 |
| Arif_ | I prefer voipbuster or something similar | 21:29 |
| jatt | does voipbuster has a similar service like skype out? | 21:30 |
| Arif_ | yea | 21:30 |
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| Arif_ | most landlines are free too | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | is there a !seen-like function for infobot? | 21:30 |
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| Arif_ | probably ~seen ;P | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan | 21:31 |
| apt | t-tan <~tanner@connect.tuebingen.mpg.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 3h 40m 38s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: ok, I was just checking the webpage'. | 21:31 |
| trumee | Arif_: how well does the sip client work. On my N95 the cpu usage is pretty high. does it consume a lot of resources on N900. and is there a G729 codec available? | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | sorry for the highlight X :( | 21:31 |
| Arif_ | no idea about the codec | 21:31 |
| Robot101 | yeah there is G.729 | 21:31 |
| Arif_ | the phone lats considerably shorter though | 21:32 |
| Arif_ | about 20 hours connected for me | 21:32 |
| Robot101 | jatt: if you have a skype account, every contact with a phone number has a "call with skype" button | 21:32 |
| trumee | Arif_: does N900 get warm on using sip? N95 heats up after about 20minutes of sip usage with g729 | 21:32 |
| Arif_ | no | 21:33 |
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| Arif_ | not here atleast | 21:33 |
| Robot101 | jatt: or you can dial a number, then hit call type and change it to skype before you press call | 21:33 |
| * Arif_ got his N95 warm by listening to radio with eq in coreplayer :D | 21:33 | |
| Robot101 | trumee: a lot of the backends / middleware are open source, very few of the UI components are except hildon desktop | 21:33 |
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| wolf^ | marcus__, ignore scratchbox, use madde | 21:34 |
| marcus__ | wolf^: Madde is what? (: | 21:34 |
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| trumee | Robot101: so applications like Conversations, Calendar and Email client not opensource? | 21:35 |
| Robot101 | trumee: ah, email client is | 21:35 |
| Robot101 | trumee: the backends to conversations / calendar are, but not the UIs | 21:35 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 21:35 |
| svscvsc | trumee, Robot101, good point, one thing I really want to do it be able to modify the contact list app... | 21:35 |
| marcus__ | but why Madde and not scratchbox? | 21:35 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, instead of (crappy) chroot you get integration with your prefered windows/linux environment | 21:35 |
| svscvsc | multiple rolodexes, encrypted contact lists, add specific call handling behaviour to certain contacts | 21:36 |
| trumee | Robot101: i guess the UI's will be fully opensource in meego. | 21:36 |
| marcus__ | wolf^: Seems fair enough (: | 21:36 |
| achipa_irssi | madde is nice, but not prime-time ready yet | 21:36 |
| Robot101 | trumee: depend - on the same commercial reasons that make them not open in maemo | 21:36 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, compiling sdl application should be as simple as just calling make | 21:36 |
| marcus__ | srsly? :O | 21:36 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, you have pkgconfig and all the nice stuff | 21:36 |
| Robot101 | trumee: stuff like patents, market differentiation, avoiding clone devices, etc | 21:37 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, in case of madde, you just need to prepend "mad" command first, like "mad make" | 21:37 |
| Robot101 | trumee: so it will be better, and maybe there will be a lot of open apps, but maybe manufacturers will choose to replace some of them | 21:37 |
| Robot101 | trumee: otherwise their device is identical to everyone else's except for the hardware | 21:37 |
| trumee | Robot101: those apps are core to the phone. it will be a shame if they are not opensourced. community can really help on improving the featureset of these core apps. | 21:37 |
| jatt | I am not sure about my wifi setup, I have a wifi router in my home, my laptop works fine with it, but my n900 asks for a wifi protected setup, where I need to "push a button on the wireless station" but which button? | 21:37 |
| dmj726_n900 | s long as there are open variiants available | 21:38 |
| Robot101 | which isn't what they're going for, otherwise they'd just use android :P | 21:38 |
| marcus__ | wolf^: Aha, what is the case of scratchbox then? (: | 21:38 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: right, well there's obviously a trade-off to make if you decide to do something yourself rather than share it with the community - maintenance cost is one of those factors too | 21:38 |
| Robot101 | I'm a hardened open source zealot but even I can understand there are commercial reasons why it's not practical or desirable to open source every last thing | 21:39 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, scratchbox is a chroot environment (so you don't have your favorite tools, or have them in versions lacking features you're used to) | 21:39 |
| Robot101 | much as I'd love to say Collabora only ever did OSS for Nokia, it's not always true - it is mostly :) | 21:39 |
| marcus__ | wolf^: Ah okay. Thanks | 21:39 |
| trumee | Robot101: what is meego going to do which maemo doesnt, if the core apps will not be opensourced. | 21:39 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, it has x86 maemo libraries, so you can "emulate" your application and arm libraries, so you can prepare build for the device | 21:40 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, but since you're using sdl, you don't need that | 21:40 |
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| marcus__ | marcus_: So I wouldn't need madde for sdl apps? or? | 21:40 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: share investment on the lower levels for sure - and I think there will be a core app set that comes with the platform - I just wouldn't assume every manufacturer will want to use everything identical to their competitors | 21:40 |
| trumee | Robot101: is meego simply re-inventing the wheel (operating system) | 21:41 |
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| wolf^ | marcus__, madde basically is a cross-compiler | 21:41 |
| marcus__ | wolf^: Okay, perfect. | 21:41 |
| wolf^ | marcus__, you need it, if you want to make arm binaries, ie. such ones that can be run on the device | 21:41 |
| Robot101 | trumee: not really, it's a net reduction in duplication of effort because it means intel and nokia are co-operating rather than having their own platforms | 21:41 |
| marcus__ | yeah | 21:41 |
| marcus__ | Well, thanks a lot. I'll look into that. | 21:41 |
| trumee | Robot101: fair enough. | 21:42 |
| Robot101 | trumee: anyway, this is nothing official, just some opinions from a pointy-haired boss :) | 21:43 |
| svscvsc | trumee, yeah, maemo and moblin are meego. Even /I/ know that ;-). Robot101 , I think it is a good thing, I really hope meego becomes a strong player, and if it isn't all open source, I hope you can fork it and install a completely open stack (i.e. I hope it will be possible to put 'untrusted' code on your phone) | 21:43 |
| svscvsc | Robot101, are you a PHB at Nokia perchance? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: nevertheless those closedsource apps NEED a decent API. So guys eager to implement cool stuff like Tel Answering Machine, or improved Contacts with contact specific ringtone, or the like, could really get a grip on the whole thing | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: no, Collabora (www.collabora.co.uk) | 21:44 |
| svscvsc | Ah right. I already whois you. I am curious if any Nokia folks are around (specifically any based in Berlin) | 21:44 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: I think it's obvious that the powers that be recognise the value of API, that's what this Qt lark is all about :) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's hope and pray and wait and see | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now I'm tempted to nuke the whole dialer and contacts shit | 21:45 |
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| svscvsc | DocScrutinizer, what do you mean by nuke? rewrite them yourself? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and replace with something RE based | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:46 |
| svscvsc | aha. what is RE? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | reverse engineering | 21:46 |
| svscvsc | I am slow, it was a long day and I gave blood. aaah I see. | 21:46 |
| trumee | will it be possible to remove maemo5 from N900 and install meego on it. does N900 have a bootloader like grub or lilo? | 21:46 |
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| Robot101 | dialer you could replace - one of our guys just wrote a rotary dialler app :P | 21:47 |
| ech0Asus | would prolly use lilo | 21:47 |
| Robot101 | but we had guys in the contacts team, they wanted to add a plugin API but there wasn't enough time for it because of death by a thousand cuts | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: n900 will be reference platform for meego0 | 21:47 |
| Robot101 | syncml and bluetooth and SMS means you get *every broken vCard ever* | 21:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | rotary dialer app? | 21:47 |
| svscvsc | That is cool. I hope it is painfully slow Robot101 , I am not using any fancy rotary dialer unless it clicks and takes an age to dial 0 | 21:47 |
| Robot101 | they spent weeks (months?) on that | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and NOLO bootloader is more like uBoot | 21:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: can you explain that in plain english please. | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: uboot is a little bloated compared to nolo :) | 21:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | where is the sourse? | 21:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | source? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack | 21:48 |
| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 21:48 |
| Robot101 | dmj726_n900: NOLO is closed - it has TI secret sauce in it for controlling OMAP platform security and booting the nokia cellular gubbins etc | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, me off for dinner. ping DocScrutinizer51 in a few minutes if you want to talk to me ;-P | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | oh | 21:48 |
| svscvsc | You could make a rotary dialer app for iPhone using javascript, CSS3, or even just some javascript and PNGs... and the call:// url function I think, but you'd have to have a 'dialplan', i.e. know how many digits they want to dial before you send the call command | 21:48 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: does it means all the devs will be doing the develpoment on N900s. | 21:48 |
| Robot101 | http://spectrum.myriadcolours.com/~marnanel/0324b/02/rotary-02.png | 21:49 |
| Robot101 | :) | 21:49 |
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| svscvsc | Robot101, how did they handle the dialplan for the rotary... it had a 'call' button too? (you could do that in the iPhone page too) | 21:49 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: dunno | 21:49 |
| svscvsc | (0[9x]|1xx) or something. I over complicate things. I am tempted to google is someone has made a javascript rotary phone with call:// url yet | 21:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | I need to make a dialer app that speaks or make the built in phone app speak | 21:50 |
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| trumee | guys, will all devs of meego will use N900 to test the code? | 21:50 |
| trumee | what does reference platform mean? | 21:50 |
| Robot101 | dmj726_n900: not too hard, is just one d-bus method call to Telepathy | 21:50 |
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| Robot101 | dmj726_n900: (to make it dial) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: how will this stop the usual shit from popping up on inbound calls? Initiating call is just a simple subset of the tasks of dialer | 21:51 |
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| marcus__ | quick question: Can SDL and the accelerometer be used together? | 21:51 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: it's designed to be hard to stop it from coming up :P | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the whole point | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | why it needs a MUCH BETTER API | 21:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | is it possible to make the phone app ui not come up? | 21:52 |
| Robot101 | you can probably shuffle it out of the way, but it's slightly cheating... | 21:52 |
| Robot101 | the call UI always coming up during a call isn't do with the API, it's to do with how Nokia chose to use it | 21:52 |
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| Robot101 | because there are regulatory requirements that there's always a UI for billable stuff like calls | 21:53 |
| dmj726_n900 | isn't the next version supposed to use ofono? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: contact specific ringtones. Please head away how to implement | 21:53 |
| svscvsc | "iRetro Dialer 1.4 is $1.99 (USD) and available worldwide exclusively through the App Store in the Utilities category." | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | did i step into talk.maemo.org? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:53 |
| svscvsc | Yikes! I don't think web pages can make sounds in iPhone, can they? I'll grok that s/iPhone/webkit mobile | 21:54 |
| svscvsc | Which reminds me, what browser is setup on maemo by default? Is it webkit? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: or a TAM | 21:54 |
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| ech0Asus | microb | 21:54 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: the guy who sits opposite me and works on contacts has gone home, so I dunno | 21:54 |
| Robot101 | you can see when the phone is ringing using a Telepathy observer, and answer it, and probably pull the PCM data out with a monitor source in pulseaudio | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the problem isn't osso-adressbook though. The problem is dialer has control over ringtone playback | 21:55 |
| Robot101 | if you kill a couple of files, you can stop the dialer from being loaded | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably also on routing of audio from mic to modem and vice versa | 21:56 |
| ech0Asus | need a new dialer then right? | 21:56 |
| Robot101 | pulseaudio+csd route the audio by themselves | 21:56 |
| svscvsc | Robot101, who is your dbus expert at your company? | 21:56 |
| Shapeshifter | well this is just great. once again | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: yep, of course. Highly hackerish and huge ammount of RE | 21:56 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: about half of the company :P | 21:56 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: not huge, it's a public API that the dialer uses | 21:57 |
| Shapeshifter | when using the SDK/scratchbox, will compiling stuff use libraries/includes from the host system or maemo-specific scratchbox files? | 21:57 |
| nidO | blimey, things got busy while I was afk | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, <me> -> dinner | 21:57 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: guten appetit. | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ - cellular extensions at http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary | 21:57 |
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| Robot101 | svscvsc: we run into a lot of d-bus issues with a lot of the work we do, telepathy, address book, etc | 21:59 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: so people who work on those end up patching dbus, dbus-glib, etc | 21:59 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: we did some profiling/performance stuff too | 21:59 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: when we started work on telepathy I patched dbus-python so much for our prototypes that I became the maintainer :P | 21:59 |
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| svscvsc | Ah, cool, I was trying to use dbus-python to flatten the memory footprint of my script, I forget which issue I ran into before I switched tack | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | #dbus has a lot of Collabora folks in | 22:01 |
| svscvsc | Oh, I rant in there a lot. I feel like old friends | 22:01 |
| svscvsc | It has worked for me splendidly | 22:01 |
| svscvsc | I have had 1500 dbus sessions all running sychronously and in control, it was just resource heavy | 22:01 |
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| svscvsc | Because there is no minimal messaging app that I found (I tried qdbus, but something happened...) | 22:02 |
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| svscvsc | Robot101, Ideally, I've like to make each message in the form of 'dbusget ADDRESS /the/path WHATITIS' and have it wait on the reply rather than async (I used async, and it was wonderful, but I prefer making each request atomic) | 22:04 |
| svscvsc | Like applescript | 22:04 |
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| luke-jr | svscvsc: that's 'sync' not 'atomic' | 22:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | humm. isn't it past 19:00 UTC? | 22:09 |
| Scelt | sure | 22:09 |
| Scelt | almost 10 minutes | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | what's happening? | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:09 |
| svscvsc | luke-jr, no, I mean, each request is atomic, it connects, says something, returns a result, I am not connecting, and reusing a connection | 22:09 |
| svscvsc | That is atomic (and yes, it is BLOCKING (the opposite of async, not sync (in terminology speak)) | 22:10 |
| svscvsc | Oh my. I missed a parenthesis. ) | 22:10 |
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| Robot101 | svscvsc: d-bus python blocks by default, but the problem is that yes it's syncronous, but it's *not* atomic | 22:12 |
| Robot101 | svscvsc: if you block waiting for a method reply, you change causal ordering of messages arriving back at you, because you wait for one thing to finish and to get the response, and ignore the signals that come in the meantime | 22:12 |
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| mzanetti | hi all! I'm trying to enable the n900's fm transmitter using dbus. Getting the state property works, but trying to set it tells me: No such property: state | 22:13 |
| mzanetti | any ideas? | 22:13 |
| svscvsc | I see. The command I want to send are basically 'start, stop' to a process. There are other things. Maybe I'll re-address this. The problem is the VM startup (I used java-dbus) and I want to run 1500 sessions. anywho. | 22:13 |
| svscvsc | Robot101, which would be ok if I could access all the sessions from one VM, but like I said, I tried and hit my head on a brick wall a few times | 22:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh, someone posted how to turn on the screen over dbus in here a couple of days ago., I forgot how | 22:17 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: gsoc2010 student application should have opened 15 minutes ago | 22:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah now its open | 22:18 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and I'd like to switch screen to 'keep on' via dbus | 22:18 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that would be even better. I'm using x2x from the n900 now for use with my desktop but the screen keeps turning off | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a 'keep on' option in xchat. Might check that | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Robot101: (ringtone) honestly, each shit is via mce and dbus. Just playback of ringtones seems wasn't worth to integrate in the larger picture of having a notification entity | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | which feels outright odd and stupid, from a system architecture POV | 22:25 |
| Robot101 | ringtone playback got ugly near the release because of performance concerns | 22:25 |
| corecode | hum? | 22:26 |
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| Robot101 | well if you're watching a flash video and the browser is using all of the RAM and CPU, you still want the phone to ring and the UI to appear :P | 22:26 |
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| Robot101 | this multitasking stuff cuts both ways | 22:26 |
| corecode | priorities? | 22:27 |
| DrGrov | any word on PR 1.2 ? | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but that was targeted by phone stuff kept resident in background | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mce as well | 22:28 |
| DrGrov | any news on being able to write SMS regularly without keeping the phone in landscape mode? | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so ringtone playback could live in mce as well | 22:28 |
| * ShadowJK ponders bme | 22:29 | |
| DrGrov | bbl, Wrestlemania 26 ;) | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: you could tweak USSDpad easily to do that | 22:29 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: how? do enlighten me ;) | 22:29 |
| Shapeshifter | so, does anyone know if building stuff in scratchbox will use the hosts qt includes, or the scratchbox/sdk ones? | 22:30 |
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| ShadowJK | Well I can't even access host includes when in scratchbox I think? :) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, it needs a little bit of python coding. And replacing the call to pnatd by a dbus call to send the sms | 22:31 |
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| mschr_ | hay all :D | 22:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: that would mean that the libqttracker master branch doesn't compile. Which woulnd't surprise me, as I tried it natively on the host system and got shouted at by #qt people for not using their "pristine" version and instead used the archlinux package (which is == upstream with a single, unrelated patch applied) | 22:32 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: because it gives the exact same error in the scratchbox build as on my desktop linux. | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Robot101: thanks for the URLs btw :-) | 22:32 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer51: there's some more docs which will be released after PR1.2 because the APIs are broken atm *ahem* :P | 22:33 |
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| mschr_ | Does anyone know the Widget type of the 'popup' window, which only uses half the screen? | 22:33 |
| Shapeshifter | could someone with a qt 4.6 install or a pr1.2 scratchbox *please* try and compile libqttracker? it clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker.git; cd cd libqttracker/; qmake && make | 22:33 |
| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 22:34 |
| amanda1 | sure lets | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Robot101: I was thinking pr1.2 is already released, for all that matters wrt specs | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | API specs | 22:36 |
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| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer51: I think it's more that the examples wouldn't work properly due to bugs that were fixed in PR1.2, so waiting until afterwards is more polite :) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Robot101: well, scratchbox 1.2 could use the specs right now, no? | 22:41 |
| amanda1 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 22:41 |
| amanda1 | what scratchbox? | 22:41 |
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| Robot101 | amanda1: what's that link?! | 22:42 |
| amanda1 | school stuff | 22:43 |
| Shapeshifter | >( | 22:44 |
| Robot101 | why is it relevant to us? | 22:46 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer51: eh, well, dunno. not my decision guv... | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | Umm, what's a good way to start programming in pyGTK? | 22:47 |
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| atiti | by opening your editor | 22:48 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pygtktutorial/ though I'd strongly recommend writing in qt instead ;) so, this would be the tut to do in that case: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, and which is easier? | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | or actually, in my case, faster? | 22:48 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm, qt and qt? | 22:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | though I don't have anything to back up this claim ;) | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | faster to learn :) | 22:48 |
| * RST38h moos at the moon again | 22:49 | |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: well for once, Qt API is much much better | 22:49 |
| Shapeshifter | with nice examples and stuff | 22:49 |
| Shapeshifter | so that makes learning it easier. | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG | downloaded the pages | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | thanks Shapeshifter :) | 22:52 |
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| errordeveloper | hi | 22:53 |
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| errordeveloper | i would like to install Maemo SDK on getnoo | 22:53 |
| errordeveloper | i got a bit confused so far with all different options avaliable .. | 22:53 |
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| trumee | errordeveloper: http://geektor.blogspot.com/2009/12/maemo-5-sdk-in-gentoo.html | 22:53 |
| errordeveloper | i have scratchbox both v1 and v2 branches installed on the systen | 22:53 |
| errordeveloper | system | 22:54 |
| errordeveloper | but what's inside of it is a bit confusing .. | 22:54 |
| sven-tek | why both? | 22:54 |
| errordeveloper | trumee: are you on gentoo | 22:54 |
| errordeveloper | ? | 22:54 |
| trumee | errordeveloper: yes | 22:54 |
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| errordeveloper | sven-tek: just in case .. | 22:54 |
| sven-tek | one more case to confuse only | 22:54 |
| errordeveloper | trumee: there scratchbox abeuild for the version 3 | 22:54 |
| trumee | errordeveloper: i followed the instructions on the link above | 22:54 |
| errordeveloper | i have emerged that, but not sure what to do next | 22:55 |
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| trumee | errordeveloper: i did not use the the ebuild. followed the link above | 22:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | So. Has someone been able to compile libqttracker in the maemo 1.2 SDK? | 23:00 |
| errordeveloper | trumee: i see .. | 23:00 |
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| jatt | hi, which is the default root password for the n900? I installed the ssh server but don't know the root password... | 23:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | jatt: sudo gainroot and then passwd to set a new one. | 23:04 |
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| ShadowJK | If you install it via HAM you get a dialog asking you to enter a new root password :-) | 23:05 |
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| jatt | ShadowJK: yes I installed it and I saw the dialog box briefly but I pressed the screen or a button and somehow the box disappeared. the ssh server was installed though. | 23:06 |
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| jatt | I just tried sudo gain root on the xterm and I get> | 23:07 |
| jatt | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 23:07 |
| jatt | :) | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | install rootsh | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | after installing rootsh, do "sudo gainroot" not "sudo gain root" | 23:08 |
| * GAN900 wonders why the hell his N900 is now clicking when taking photos. | 23:08 | |
| Shapeshifter | oops yeah that was a typo | 23:08 |
| corecode | anybody know how i can treat incoming phone numbers in the sip:$number@siphost.com like existing phone numbers? | 23:08 |
| jatt | I did sudo gainroot I wrote here wrong | 23:08 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | button.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse("Black")) | 23:13 |
| jatt | great, it worked, thanks Shapeshifter, Shapeshifter | 23:14 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I'm not sure why this isnt changing the background color | 23:14 |
| jatt | I mean ShadowJK | 23:14 |
| Arif_ | anyone tried EnnaMeida Center? | 23:14 |
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| Rinsmaster | On the N900, when you receive grps settings from your provider, it asks you whether or not to automatically connect to the data connection when there's no wifi available. It also says you can later change that behaviour in the settings. Does anyone happen to know where that setting is? Thanks. | 23:18 |
| mikhas | Rinsmaster, settings > internet I think | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | settings>internet connections | 23:20 |
| mikhas | or "internet connection" | 23:20 |
| mikhas | yeah | 23:20 |
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| Rinsmaster | MikaT, I've looked everywhere under "Internet connections" but I can't find such an option | 23:20 |
| Rinsmaster | not in the general thing and not in the settings of a data connection | 23:20 |
| Rinsmaster | Or I guess I'm blind :/ | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | "automatically connect to"..... | 23:20 |
| Rinsmaster | There is an option for wifi to auto connect.. | 23:21 |
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| Arif_ | poke it ;p | 23:21 |
| Arif_ | you can set it to none/wifi/3g/both | 23:21 |
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| Rinsmaster | ooooh lol | 23:21 |
| * Rinsmaster facepalms | 23:21 | |
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| mikhas | hildon touch selector facepalms, too | 23:21 |
| mikhas | not obvious enough =D | 23:21 |
| Arif_ | the joys of touchscreens \o/ | 23:21 |
| Rinsmaster | haha | 23:22 |
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| Rinsmaster | well, thanks guys, it's working now :) | 23:22 |
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| redeeman | hmm i appear to have just been hit by the "duplicate folder" bug, anyone knows how to fix? | 23:23 |
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| Arif_ | I have teh same bug | 23:23 |
| Arif_ | wait for Pr1.3 | 23:23 |
| Arif_ | or Moogo | 23:24 |
| Rinsmaster | also, one more thing: Is it possible to remove data connections? | 23:24 |
| Arif_ | yes | 23:24 |
| Rinsmaster | the delete buttons is grey on them | 23:24 |
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| Arif_ | select them first | 23:24 |
| Rinsmaster | I'm not that dumb xD | 23:24 |
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| Rinsmaster | the thing is, my provider sent me like 4 useless profiles, and I don't need all, but they can't be removed... | 23:25 |
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| Arif_ | you managed to save more than 1? | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | congrats ;P | 23:26 |
| redeeman | Arif_: well surely theres some way to remove those duplicates? do you know why they are shown? | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | I don't know :D | 23:26 |
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| Arif_ | ~bug duplicate folder | 23:26 |
| Rinsmaster | Arif_, yes, an MMS one, and two internet ones, of which one one works (they say the other is for older phones...) | 23:27 |
| Arif_ | I could only save one APN | 23:27 |
| Arif_ | heh | 23:27 |
| Rinsmaster | I guess I'll look around in gconf for where this is stored | 23:28 |
| * Arif_ doesn't know why he has 2 of all the folders | 23:28 | |
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| frals | /system/osso/IAP/ or smth Rinsmaster | 23:28 |
| frals | Rinsmaster: /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ | 23:28 |
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| Rinsmaster | frals, thanks | 23:30 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | did nokia break background colors for buttons in maemo? | 23:32 |
| Arif_ | now you say break | 23:35 |
| Arif_ | I have a nice idea for a new thread | 23:35 |
| Arif_ | "speculate what Nokia will break in PR1.2" | 23:35 |
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| solox | hello, some stupid questions from me.. when will next firmware for maemo be update? and when can we use 3g video calls? - just bought nokia n900 today, and its sadly to see i cant use 3g video call since iam deaf :( so its kinda bad buy | 23:37 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726_n9001: I've seen it before | 23:37 |
| Arif_ | solox, soon, most likely never | 23:38 |
| Shapeshifter | solox: you might have wanted to read the specs before buying. it's extremely unlikely that it will be officially supported at any time in the future. ho | 23:38 |
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| solox | :/ so why did nokia put front camera there if theres no use for it? | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | same reason ther's an IR port | 23:39 |
| Robot101 | the hardware was designed 2+ years before the software was finished? :P | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | solox: there is an use | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | solox: the quality is a bit ad for the camera :/ | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | bad | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | solox: do you have jabber? | 23:39 |
| petteri | solox: next firmware will be out in couple of weeks, if we are lucky this this week. Nokia don't give out any dates, so no one know for sure | 23:39 |
| solox | and i did read there was 3g and such on mobile. but they on the shop never told us that 3g video call isnt avb. and the worst thing they knew that were 3g | 23:39 |
| solox | no i dont have jabber | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | solox: on the other hand, it is really useful for any degree of text | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | get a jabber | 23:39 |
| solox | yeah maybe so, but did bought mainly the phone for to use video calls 3g | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | solox: you can make video calls | 23:40 |
| solox | ill get jabber but it wont work as 3g video calls no? | 23:40 |
| ptl | what is best to install, Mer or easy-debian? I have an external SD card for Mer, but does it still require me to take off my battery after shutting down? | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | solox: no | 23:40 |
| Arif_ | solox, get a differnet phone | 23:40 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I think they did break it. | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | who uses video calls anyways | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | i never made one | 23:40 |
| solox | we deafs does | 23:40 |
| solox | sign language and all that | 23:41 |
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| solox | bah, very sadly :( | 23:41 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | why is gtk so broken? | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | videocalling is very popular in Turkland | 23:41 |
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| solox | we are from sweden, and we use video call 3g cause we cant use the normal phone call to hear and such :/ | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | solox: except for the video calling, it is probably the most capable communicator you'll ever have, when it comes to chat and stuff | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | dmj726_n9001, same reason most opensource stuff is half broken ?:P | 23:41 |
| godrik | hi guys a general question for you | 23:42 |
| * fnordianslip wonders what the actual bandwidth of sign language is | 23:42 | |
| ptl | solox: video calling works perfectly on gtalk | 23:42 |
| solox | yeah stskeeps. i know.. i have also n97. but nokia should added 3g video call for deafs | 23:42 |
| fnordianslip | about the same as speach, i expect | 23:42 |
| ptl | solox: and you can also do that with MSN if you install aMSN | 23:42 |
| dmj726_n9001 | who would want to make it so buttons must be gray? | 23:42 |
| solox | yeah but im not out for video call as msn etc.. more out for 3g call so i can easily catch my deaf friends and call them on 3g | 23:43 |
| godrik | I got a n810. Do you think it is safe to move the internal memory to ext2 or ext3. and mount /home there ? or make a symbolic link to there ? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | solox: it isn't so much about the feature but the camera quality :/ | 23:43 |
| godrik | same question with /usr/share | 23:43 |
| solox | stskeeps: is the camera quality very bad? | 23:43 |
| Arif_ | you can try the "mirror" app to see how it is | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, see for yourself | 23:44 |
| godrik | on my N810, a non neglectable part of the devide memory is used by locales i will never use. is it safe to remove the ones I won't use ? | 23:44 |
| solox | maybe its better to go to the shop tomorrow and ask if they can change telephone. or will the firmware update the front camera and add 3g video call? | 23:44 |
| solox | yea, ill do it | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | we don't know. maybe. | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | don't count on it | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | Nokia adding features to a phone is an exception :P | 23:44 |
| solox | ;( | 23:45 |
| solox | sadface now. going to the shop and whine tomorrow i guess | 23:45 |
| ptl | solox: no, unfortunately it is not in the changelog and since it would be very difficult for them not to publicise such a wonderful change, I don't think 3G videocall will work when PR1.2 is out | 23:45 |
| ptl | feel sorry for you, I understand your need for 3G videocall. | 23:45 |
| solox | hmm okay, thx for ur help anyways :) but the thing i dont understand the shop didnt told us that 3g video call werent in the telephone etc. | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | most shops probably don't know | 23:46 |
| solox | no worries, things will anyways sort out anyhow :D | 23:46 |
| dmj726_n9001 | by the way, is pidgin randomly opening browser links when scrolling in #maemo for anyone? | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | odds are 3G videocall is not possible with the modemchip used in N900 | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just a wild guess | 23:47 |
| dmj726_n9001 | it is really annoying. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea about the 3G specs for videocalls | 23:47 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: really? how so? why? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: obviously there's some OTA protocol involved, which might not be supported by modem | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I mean, *somehow* they need to push the vidoe thru UMTS | 23:49 |
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| solox | its joke if nokia dont add 3g video call at n900 as almost all another phones already have it ;x | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's for sure a different story than simple GSM voicecalls | 23:50 |
| solox | sadly since n900 is kinda very nice phone | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | solox: in Nokia's notion N900 is an internet tablet, no phone | 23:51 |
| godrik | is it safe to move /home to the internal memory on a N810, provided i reformat the partition to ext2/3 ? | 23:51 |
| Arif_ | solox, Nokia is just too lazy to add basic features =D | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Arif_: stop trolling | 23:51 |
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| ptl | godrik: In N900 it isn't, but I don't know about the N810. | 23:52 |
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| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: let him troll the owners of trolltech, Nokia should have put more effort in 3G videocalling. :) | 23:52 |
| Arif_ | its not trolling | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: the GSM chip is intel afaik. If it doesn't support video-over-umts by design (or by firmware), then Nokia is out of luck | 23:53 |
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| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: ?! the GSM chip is Nokia's :P | 23:54 |
| godrik | ptl: I'll assume it is not then | 23:54 |
| solox | ill go to the shop and if thats not good enough answer. then ill try call nokia and whine some :) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: ohh! then ptl is absolutely right | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | gsm chip does 3g video, it'd be silly not to | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck, the gsm chip didn't even work with some "3G"-SIMCARDS | 23:55 |
| Robot101 | I doubt it requires much from the GSM firmware that's not well supported by Nokia's stuff | 23:55 |
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| ech0Nokia | y no at&t support? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and dialer/modem-FW still doesn't know how to do USSD correctly | 23:56 |
| ptl | but this is corrected in PR1.2, isn't it? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's supposed to, yes | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | USSD? | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | *# codes | 23:57 |
| Robot101 | most of the complexity of 3G video isn't in the cellular thing, it's some crazy mash-up with SIP or some Hxxx standard that nobody else uses | 23:58 |
| Robot101 | H261 maybe? | 23:58 |
| Robot101 | can't remember what it's called | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Unstructured Supplementary Service Data | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: decided to be ill instead, sorry. there look like there's some appropriate threads on the ML | 23:58 |
| asj | jacekowski: ever received those "pop up" messages from carriers, say balance notice, etc? | 23:58 |
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| derf | H.323, most likely. | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: 1.2 repo? | 23:59 |
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