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| Shapeshifter | nokia just thought "that'll do" regarding almost any aspect of the n900. | 00:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer coughs on H.323 | 00:00 | |
| LuciusMare | hi, can i bind my keys so that when i press fn+enter, tab is sent, and so? | 00:00 |
| Shapeshifter | and I'm guessing they were a bit baffled by the sales figures. They might have done better if they had known how many people would buy it. | 00:00 |
| ptl | PR1.2 might be out the same day as meego day one? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | LuciusMare: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo | 00:01 |
| LuciusMare | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 00:01 |
| Arif_ | Shapeshifter, I hope for the same route as the 5800 ;) | 00:01 |
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| ptl | Shapeshifter: that's good news, I think | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: they knew, at least 4 months befor rollout | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by the # of preorders | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well 4 months is little time I guess | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, esp for sw development | 00:03 |
| ptl | Maybe they have forecast N900's sales based on N800 and N810 sales | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and honestly, I cursed them for holding back the device to "fix some issues" | 00:03 |
| phreck | HALLLLLLP | 00:03 |
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| ptl | like, well, it will sale a little bit more because it has cellphone capabilities, say 20%, so let's put just 20% more effort on it | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | asj: no | 00:03 |
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| jacekowski | asj: but o2 doesn't send them | 00:03 |
| phreck | My /home is full | 00:04 |
| phreck | anyone have a tip for me? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rename phreck shreck | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | asj: i recieved only one in 2 years | 00:04 |
| ptl | s/it will sale/it will sell/ | 00:04 |
| apt | ptl meant: like, well, it will sell a little bit more because it has cellphone capabilities, say 20%, so let's put just 20% more effort on it | 00:04 |
| phreck | uhhuh | 00:04 |
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| godrik | phreck: move some files to a memory card and ln-s them | 00:04 |
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| phreck | is there a way to flash the emmc? | 00:05 |
| phreck | i wiould rather just do that. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | phreck: how tf you managed to fill 2GB with data you happily will discard by reflashing?? | 00:06 |
| phreck | ive got files from about 4 reflashes sitting on this thing. | 00:06 |
| phreck | its not any data i need. | 00:06 |
| phreck | libs and programs that were from testing that didnt uninstall properly, or got left behind | 00:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests rm -rf /home/user then | 00:07 | |
| phreck | heh | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even rm -rf /home | 00:07 |
| phreck | will that mess anything up? | 00:07 |
| Solox | where can i get jabber btw? cant find it on ovi store atm | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | less than your suggested eMMC reflash | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe more | 00:08 |
| phreck | yea | 00:08 |
| fnordianslip | Solox: jabber support is native | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey, eMMC flashing will recover anyway ;-P | 00:08 |
| phreck | there is an emmc flashign tool isnt there? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's called flasher :-P | 00:08 |
| phreck | lol i have it nm. | 00:09 |
| phreck | 3.5 | 00:09 |
| phreck | blah. 11 megs left in /home | 00:09 |
| phreck | what to do. | 00:09 |
| tybollt | 1.2's out? | 00:09 |
| tybollt | why the noise=? | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, why don't you just do a 'du -x /home | sort -n' and decide to delete some montrous unneeded files? | 00:10 |
| phreck | because none of them are needed =P | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RTFM | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | man rm | 00:11 |
| tybollt | ROTFLCOPTER? | 00:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels severy nasty headache coming from effort to decode "ive got files from about 4 reflashes sitting on this thing." | 00:14 | |
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| phreck | i reflashed the device without uninstalling all the junk on it, if you want to be a snide fuck then please, go for it. If youre going to be of no help, then just be a decent person and say so. | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /ignore phreck | 00:17 |
| phreck | well done sir. | 00:17 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: actually, I wouldn't mind you using /kick in this case ;) | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | really?? | 00:18 |
| phreck | ill just flash the emmc. | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 00:18 |
| phreck | thanks for the help. | 00:18 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ok ok I overreact | 00:18 |
| phreck | FYI, we are not all powerusers. Sorry for being a noob in your presence. | 00:19 |
| * ShadowJK attempts to jam mugen's giant N900 battery into his N810 | 00:19 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:19 |
| tybollt | sjk :D | 00:19 |
| Arif_ | lol | 00:19 |
| tybollt | sjk: how long life w/ the mugen? | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | eh dunno, I never had the patience to find out | 00:20 |
| tybollt | yo | 00:20 |
| tybollt | that's long then ;) | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | though if I can get it to make contact in N810 I can measure it :P | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | I had it booting already, but BSI pin made no contact and N810 refused to charge it | 00:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests 4L and 5J won't pair | 00:20 | |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the receptables/pins are exactly right, but the notch in the middle of the battery isn't | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cut it away, mate ;-P | 00:21 |
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| * ShadowJK boots again and hopes for BSI :D | 00:22 | |
| ShadowJK | I added a thin piece of paper, folded once | 00:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer remarks $l is about 10mm wider and 5mm longer than 5J | 00:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 4L | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | I added some padding ;p | 00:23 |
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| Arif_ | ShadowJK, how bricky does the N810 get? :p | 00:23 |
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| amanda1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi9HLCpAYYg&feature=player_embedded | 00:26 |
| amanda1 | programming school | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | amanda1: what's the programming part about it? and what the school part? | 00:30 |
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| ShadowJK | Arif_, this bricky: http://enivax.net/jk/n810-burp.jpg | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny animals - fine :-S | 00:31 |
| Arif_ | sweet! :P | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yay, a pregnant N810 - LOL | 00:32 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe I should get a battery analyzer instead... | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 00:34 |
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| ShadowJK | I want to measure that battery's real capacity :-( | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, now THAT is eeeeaaasy | 00:35 |
| Arif_ | doesn't the N900 say in some funky command? | 00:35 |
| Shapeshifter | What would you say, how difficult is it to implement a 'desktop search' widget for maemo5 based on tracker and using qt? From what I read until now I'd just need to enable tracker to index more stuff (already has support for things like emails and the like) and write a qt widget. examples for both are supplied. it's very doable, isn't it. | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | Arif_, it's made up :) | 00:35 |
| Arif_ | aw | 00:35 |
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| ShadowJK | With the mugen battery it actually says 1100mAh after full charge... but then the battery drain really slow... sometimes it drains at same reported rate as the normal N900 battery, but then after awhile the meter just stops and shows 0 change for some time :) | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | and occasionally the meter corrects itself upward too | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | thoroghly confused, in other words :) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: connect battery to a DMM with rs232 readout option, and a 10Ohm shunt. Then record the voltage minute for minute, and grab your calculator | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh yeah, webcam, DMM and OCR software is plan C | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the 'meter' in N900 is a bq27200 calibrated for 1200mAh | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | do we know yet if it's used or not? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 00:38 |
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| ShadowJK | trying to talk to it directly from userspace is plan B ;p | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least if we == DocScrutinizer | 00:38 |
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| ds3 | is there any sample code for coding up python apps in Maemo? just basic stuff like how to pop up a page with a button | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, I had a comment from someone claiming that a friend had looked over the real and released schems, and found that they were very behind. | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: get I2C-utils and get root perm, then you're fine from userspace | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-((( | 00:40 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, fun things happen if bme and me try to access it at same time though? :) | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | well now that's war >:-( | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia 'leaking' fake schematics | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, of course | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | current and leaked I meant | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though the 'friend of a freind' scheme always makes me somewhat doubtful | 00:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:42 |
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| haltdef | meh, anyone happen to know if you can somehow make weave on firefox use a custom server? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the schem are leaked. there's nothing to change that fact. Why not ask Nokians to comment on correctness of those leaked schem? | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ^^^ any chance? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well FSCK THE SCREWS - I GOT SCOTCHTAPE | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | now's the moment my patience has expired | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:47 |
| RobbieAB1 | maemo is Debian derived, isn't it? | 00:47 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, what're you asking X-Fade for? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | wow. | 00:53 |
| Arif_ | anyone know if themes are optified? | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | powersave with remote x is unpleasent | 00:53 |
| GAN900 | Arif_, which themes? :) | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | I'm thinking of installing all the D-THEMEs | 00:54 |
| Arif_ | to see how they look :D | 00:55 |
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| Venomrush | themes are not optify | 00:55 |
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| GAN900 | veno | 00:56 |
| GAN900 | Venomrush, depends on the theme. :) | 00:56 |
| fireswires | hi, just started the SDK, mafw-dbus-wrapper clobbers my terminal. how can I get it to stop? | 00:56 |
| Venomrush | default themes are not optify | 00:56 |
| GAN900 | Venomrush, duh. | 00:56 |
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| GAN900 | Nothing default is generally optified | 00:56 |
| GAN900 | Unless there's a script to handle it post flash | 00:57 |
| ds3 | okay...what about a simple python app with a GUI on Maemo that has source? | 00:57 |
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| RobbieAB1 | How hard is it to modify the kernel? Can modules be loaded if they are built separately? | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMFG the vibrator is soldered to main PCBA | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | win | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | did you find a bq27200 yet | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I'm asking for a semi-official statement from Nokia on correctness of the leaked schematics | 01:02 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, X-Fade works for maemo.org. :P | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the falling man - while passing floor 5 - "not that bad till now" | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: till now all been much too easy - literally (screws been almost loose). Now for the nasty part -after a beer and a cigg - opening the cans | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems you're read L3/4 thoroughly - any recommendations on this nasty task? | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | I'd be having beer too to steady my hands | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | (except "use new lids for reassembly" :-P ) | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | nope | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I like hotmelt glue | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | no surprise :-S | 01:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | glue something to top of cans | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HEH :DD | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll cling to a sharp pinpoint knife (smallest size swiss army) | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some dentist tools might come in handy | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | good luck! | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jeronimooooo | 01:15 |
| PhonicUK | hey all, anyone know if there is a port of the nano editor? | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 01:15 |
| PhonicUK | what repo is it in? | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | iirc I got it from sdk tools repo | 01:16 |
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| ShadowJK | and probably via apt-get | 01:16 |
| PhonicUK | aah ok | 01:16 |
| felipec | sometimes I get the mmc mounted when I plug the usb cable, but most of the time it's the root... anybody knows how to force it to be the mmc_ | 01:17 |
| PhonicUK | ty | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | I get both MyDocs and microsd, as separate drives | 01:17 |
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| felipec | ShadowJK: really? I did in the past but not anymore... maybe it's my kernel | 01:18 |
| felipec | brb | 01:19 |
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| ds3 | nevermind | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | setp one acomplished - fatalities: 0 | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | step | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | remaining steps: 4..6 for opening cans | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how's the friggin uSD sub-PCB fixed to main? | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw: whole rapuyama area (under large can) looks *exactly* like on schem photo | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the lids come of relatively easy, wth brute force applied XP - start to love SpeedEvil's idea | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that uSD assy is in the way, and doesn't want to come off | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The IR-TX LED looks *rather* beefy | 01:34 |
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| cehteh | mhm | 01:35 |
| cehteh | evening | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin | 01:35 |
| cehteh | i disassembling ur device? | 01:35 |
| cehteh | you | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:35 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:35 |
| cehteh | hehe .. have fun | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gnnhnhnhhnn, adrenaline junky | 01:36 |
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| ShadowJK | let us know if it gets to passing around the hat | 01:36 |
| cehteh | hehe | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sorry my English fails on parsing that one | 01:36 |
| cehteh | kollekte sammeln ... | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 01:37 |
| cehteh | kindof | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | yeh :) | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, for better tools maybe | 01:38 |
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| cehteh | well from the pics and vids i seen so far its reasonable possible to disassemble the device (with some care) | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or for medical treatment of exeperimentator | 01:38 |
| cehteh | valium? | 01:38 |
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| PhonicUK | I LOVE MAEMO | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me how to unmount that fsckng uSD sub-assembly | 01:39 |
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| cehteh | desolder? :) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:39 |
| cehteh | well dunno i didnt disassembled mine yet and dont plan to do so soon | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be sticky, or a hidden latch or screw | 01:39 |
| cehteh | i only do that when its necessary | 01:39 |
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| cehteh | there are instructions for that | 01:39 |
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| cehteh | i wont use force :) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 01:40 |
| cehteh | well not on my device at least | 01:40 |
| cehteh | but you can call me anytime to use force on your device ... | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo bring be a jaegermeister | 01:41 |
| cehteh | http://maemocentral.com/2009/11/30/download-the-n900-service-manual-see-the-n900-get-disassembled/ | 01:41 |
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| cehteh | lot of one-time disposeable items .. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, will recycle them ;-P | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but that friggin 'memory card pcb' is either shown like it never been mounted to the main pcb, or they didn't bother to remove it. But nowhere any clue how to actually remove it | 01:43 |
| cehteh | orly .. i thought i have a stock of them :P | 01:44 |
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| PhonicUK | how do i use osk instead of the keyboard? | 01:45 |
| * cehteh looks into the service manual | 01:45 | |
| RobbieAB | PhonicUK: touch the text box with the slider closed | 01:45 |
| * RobbieAB is not yet ready to risk slagging his N900 | 01:46 | |
| PhonicUK | nothing happens | 01:46 |
| RobbieAB | Weird | 01:46 |
| djdm | You'll need to turn it on in the Settings | 01:46 |
| RobbieAB | Oh yeah :$ | 01:46 |
| PhonicUK | i have | 01:46 |
| djdm | (If you haven't already) | 01:46 |
| djdm | Keyboard also needs to be closed iirc | 01:46 |
| PhonicUK | do i need to restart any apps? | 01:46 |
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| PhonicUK | using xchat atm | 01:47 |
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| PhonicUK | ah i didn't click save | 01:47 |
| PhonicUK | lol multitask fail | 01:47 |
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| heoa | Could someone give an example of Cmake to install mutt, please. | 01:48 |
| ptl | Need to get 61,5MB of archives. | 01:48 |
| ptl | After this operation, 5718kB disk space will be freed. | 01:48 |
| ptl | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 01:48 |
| ptl | wow | 01:48 |
| ptl | via apt-get dist-upgrade | 01:48 |
| PhonicUK | nice big osk :) much easier to use | 01:48 |
| djdm | PhonicUK: Ah, that'll be it ;) | 01:48 |
| ptl | should I apt-get dist-upgrade even if HAM does not tell me that option? | 01:48 |
| PhonicUK | im so glad i didnt get an android based phon | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | ptl: I wouldn't | 01:49 |
| ptl | ShadowJK: why not? | 01:49 |
| heoa | How can I get full apt-get to N810? | 01:50 |
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| cehteh | hehe DocScrutinizer indeed, they dont detach the sd pcb from the mainboard | 01:51 |
| cehteh | moment .. on the last page it is detached | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin fuckin sticky. (/me whipes sweat off forehead) | 01:54 |
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| cehteh | :) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | tellya there's really a difference in ripping apart a Freerunner and its LCM when those were shipped to you as engineering samples, or do a comparatively simpler task on a device you paid 600 bucks for | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, SpeedEvil ShadowJK cehteh whoever: please apply now for any particular detail to look up on the N900 hw. I won't disassemble next week a second time | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | highest res photos of everything should mostly cover it | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm yeah my thought run cyrcles around that. No camera, no decent flatbed scanner | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | including details like where fmtx ant is exactly. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | circles even | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mirror + own cam? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | what is not decent flatbed? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | one that needs fuckin redmond driver crap | 02:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | boot it once? | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E HP ScanJet G2410 | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a scanner like that | 02:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs emotionally | 02:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | but it scans to SD/jpeg too | 02:09 |
| PhonicUK | nn all | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 02:09 |
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| ptl | 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5 0 | 02:10 |
| ptl | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages | 02:10 |
| ptl | PR1.2 seems to be available through the SDK (and apt-get) | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I guess I'll stand the pain and keep the rocks until tomorrow, to scan on my friend's scanner, and have some shots with a decent cam as well | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl: known fact | 02:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | probably sane. | 02:12 |
| ptl | hmm | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: don't make me angry, I can *not* update ATM | 02:12 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: ... | 02:12 |
| ptl | ATM? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | rather than trying to write it all down. | 02:12 |
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| cehteh | please look for accessible usb VCC/GND solder pads to route wires out for a charge cradle | 02:12 |
| ptl | ~atm | 02:12 |
| apt | somebody said atm was (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. "atm" is also an acronym for: at the moment; automated teller machine; a tall man... | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ok | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | also any clues to the debug pads | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf atm | 02:13 |
| apt | ATM: at the moment | 02:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | a tall man? ^^ | 02:13 |
| cehteh | and is there are space for a microswitch for toggling on stylus insert/removal? ... where is i2c accessible? | 02:14 |
| ptl | for some reason SeriesFinale 0.5-1 was available (from apt-cache policy) but HAM didn't upgrade it | 02:14 |
| ptl | is maemo-devel blocked or something? | 02:14 |
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| cehteh | i better dont ask for usb host mode connections :) | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | you can bitbang i2c on the sd connector | 02:14 |
| ptl | seems like I'm not getting much from it | 02:14 |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: ah ok | 02:14 |
| ptl | just had to wget seriesfinale deb and dpkg -i it, though it showed in apt-cache policy | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | not ideal though - but easy. | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | If sd cards wew | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | automatische Tellermaschine :-P | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | were 2.5mm thick, it would be great for modding | 02:15 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 02:15 |
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| ptl | Does anyone know this issue from HAM? | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: why do you think I disassemble the shit? USB-Hostmode top on list | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | mircroswitch for stylus noticed | 02:17 |
| embedded | Does anyone have coded with SDL under Maemo 5? | 02:17 |
| cehteh | heh i thought either you look for that already OR you dont want to be bothered about :) | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - you could do it with I2C to usb host bridge | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | but that would be silly | 02:18 |
| * SpeedEvil crosses fingers | 02:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | bq* chip | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | Wouldn't USB over bluetooth be possible for low-bandwidth applications? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | would | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got the right USB device on you | 02:19 |
| cehteh | also is it possible to fix the usb connector better than only the solder pads, cable strap or wire around and through the pcb .. but i guess that would be a hard mod | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie_, requires a adaptor which is at best annoying to make | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | blob of epoxy | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nevertheless a good idea | 02:19 |
| embedded | no one can give me some hints? | 02:19 |
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| cehteh | if you could drill some holes left and right of the usb connector .. but with a multilayer board this is a bit delicate | 02:20 |
| * crashanddie_ gives embedded 1 hint | 02:20 | |
| crashanddie_ | You know have 1 hint [Use, Discard, Attack] | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | s/know/now/ | 02:20 |
| apt | crashanddie_ meant: You now have 1 hint [Use, Discard, Attack] | 02:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer grabs *paper* and *pen* to do a checklist | 02:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | unusual exercise | 02:21 |
| embedded | ??? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | also - look for dead spaces. | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | You now have 1 pen and 1 sheet of paper [Use, Discard, Attack] | 02:21 |
| cehteh | at least while you are at it you can check your usb connector and maybe carefully add a drop of superglue | 02:21 |
| embedded | :p | 02:21 |
| cehteh | (the tip with epoxy is a bit bogus, epoxy wont very well adhesive against the connector surface, superglue wont be perfect either but better than nothing) | 02:22 |
| cehteh | just take care that nothing soaks into the connector | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | won't very well adhesive? | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | what kind of language is that | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | You speaky Englishy properly, yesh? | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | filled epoxy blob filling whole space. | 02:22 |
| cehteh | i dont know how to phrase that in english | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | epoxy wouldn't stick to the connector surface properly? | 02:23 |
| cehteh | ah yes | 02:23 |
| cehteh | ok | 02:23 |
| cehteh | thats what i meant | 02:23 |
| crashanddie_ | or "properly stick to the connector surface" | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it will | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway | 02:23 |
| crashanddie_ | or "adhere to the..." | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I should probably go to sleep. | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Goodnight/luck! | 02:24 |
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| cehteh | not very well, you have to sand the surface or make it otherwise coarse | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: night | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: don't mess with crashanddie_'s delicate sense for correct English :-D | 02:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im back from the void of powermanagement | 02:27 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: o rly | 02:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: has any played with and confirmed the serial and usb points under the battery? | 02:29 |
| cehteh | well, practically they have no use there, you may look for some space to wire them out | 02:30 |
| C-S-B-N900 | why no use? | 02:31 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | good for jigging a dead unit back to life. | 02:31 |
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| cehteh | device doesnt work without battery inserted, yeah for some lab experiments its ok | 02:31 |
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| cehteh | but when you want to connect some external hardware for real its no fun | 02:31 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i bet the jig connection interfaces directly with the chip, i doubt it needs the battery. | 02:32 |
| cehteh | possibly | 02:32 |
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| cehteh | well if you find a way to keep the device alive while externally powered but remove the battery that would be cool | 02:33 |
| cehteh | changing battery without reboot | 02:33 |
| cehteh | but i think that might be a hardware or closed software (bme) limitation already | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BQ27200 in place where it should be, according to the supposedly 'wrong' schematics | 02:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | like i said the interface is prob independent of the device. | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck, my nerves | 02:34 |
| cehteh | haha | 02:34 |
| cehteh | you do well :) .. keep on | 02:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | I know it's a bit late, but that "you have .. [x,y,z]" from before reminded me of this http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/guitarhero-textadventure.gif | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | first another cig | 02:34 |
| cehteh | i have gin and tonic water at home .. :) | 02:35 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F8T031-Bluetooth-Wireless-Printer/dp/B0001D3JY0 | 02:35 |
| crashanddie_ | anyone ever looked into this? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | come over, bring it here | 02:35 |
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| cehteh | i forgot where you are | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, 24 minutes left to get me some at my pub | 02:36 |
| C-S-B-N900 | dl i think. | 02:36 |
| cehteh | we had lug meeting earlier :) | 02:36 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i could do with a lug but i dont think there is one about here. | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | c u l8r | 02:38 |
| cehteh | bbl :) | 02:38 |
| cehteh | hehe dont irc from pub today :P... | 02:38 |
| C-S-B-N900 | anyone know of a lug bucks area? never found anything | 02:39 |
| cehteh | bucks area? where is that? | 02:39 |
| crashanddie_ | wth is a lug? | 02:40 |
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| cehteh | linux user group | 02:40 |
| C-S-B-N900 | buckinghamshire,uk | 02:40 |
| crashanddie_ | meh, don't go to such meetings | 02:40 |
| crashanddie_ | it's utter disappointment time after time | 02:40 |
| crashanddie_ | You end up teaching 60-somethings how to install their mouse | 02:41 |
| cehteh | you are just antisocial :P | 02:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | the cool kids dont. :0 | 02:41 |
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| cehteh | well here are no much n00bs | 02:41 |
| crashanddie_ | well, there's you | 02:42 |
| cehteh | karlsruhe germany | 02:42 |
| Aranel | Need some help: We're working on Arabic localization for Maemo 5, but It seems this right-to-left writing thing is not working properly. see: http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=kejl8m&s=5 and ideas please? | 02:42 |
| cehteh | the lug was founded in '96 | 02:43 |
| RobbieAB | If I'm looking to provide a dhcp server on my N900, is there a maemo "default"? | 02:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | RobbieAB: isn't dhcpcd ported? | 02:44 |
| crashanddie_ | Aranel: you mean it's centered to the right? | 02:45 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: I think so, but so also is dnsmasq. | 02:45 |
| crashanddie_ | that didn't make any sense | 02:45 |
| crashanddie_ | Aranel: you mean it's alligned to the right of the image? Are the letters correctly written from right to left? | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | (I can't read arabic) | 02:46 |
| Aranel | crashanddie_: yes it is. even it's a right-to-left language, we want to align it to left. | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah i know | 02:46 |
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| Aranel | its displayed correctly but on wrong alignment. | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | alignment has nothing (or very little) to do with orientation :) | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | ok | 02:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | Aranel: this seems like a pretty easy fix, and could benefit a lot of users | 02:47 |
| crashanddie_ | Aranel: have you checked the bugtracker? | 02:47 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: I'm looking to try and get bluetooth PAN Access Point mode working. For that, I need to be able to get the PAN master working, which means handing out IP-addys. | 02:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | RobbieAB: there's been some work on making the N900 a wifi AP (but only in ad-hoc mode) | 02:47 |
| Aranel | crashanddie_: oh, nope :/ I'll :) | 02:47 |
| crashanddie_ | with connection sharing and all that | 02:47 |
| crashanddie_ | RobbieAB: I know they did NAT (which you probably will want as well, if you're going to do relaying), and most probably also DNS | 02:48 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: JoikuSpot, I know... | 02:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | Is that the name? Didn't even know it had a name | 02:49 |
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| RobbieAB | I was wondering what dhcp server most people use. dnsmasq or one of the pure dhcp servers. | 02:49 |
| cehteh | somone who was involved in early community development told me that full AP mode would be possible, dunno if thats really true and whats missing | 02:49 |
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| crashanddie_ | cehteh: it's unlikely unless we get open source drivers for the card | 02:50 |
| RobbieAB | cehteh: from what I understand, kernel level forwarding. | 02:50 |
| C-S-B-N900 | if you make an iptables capable kernel i see no reason why it cant. | 02:50 |
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| RobbieAB | C-S-B-N900: Exactly. | 02:50 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: iptables is done, no issue there, it's allowing the card to operate in AP mode | 02:50 |
| cehteh | there are iptables / nat enabled kernels around | 02:50 |
| RobbieAB | I was planning to start kernel tweaking once I had the basic BT networking running. | 02:50 |
| cehteh | but the driver/firmware like crashanddie_ saied needs to support it | 02:51 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: WiFi AP or PAN AP? | 02:51 |
| crashanddie_ | wifi | 02:51 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what has nokia NOT opened? | 02:51 |
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| cehteh | the kernel is not tainted | 02:51 |
| crashanddie_ | Nokia is not the issue | 02:51 |
| cehteh | but loads some blobs | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | C-S-B-N900: BME, gpsdriver, etc | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | NOLO | 02:51 |
| cehteh | TI is the issue .. and some other hardware producers | 02:52 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: Ok, there is some weirdness going on with that I believe. I think it may simply be not wanting to play with non-default kernels though. | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: TI has nothing to do with BME | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | BME is 100% Nokia blame | 02:52 |
| cehteh | well speaking about kernel | 02:52 |
| crashanddie_ | luke-jr: BME? | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | BME should be part of the kernel | 02:52 |
| cehteh | and bme doesnt control wifi | 02:52 |
| C-S-B-N900 | all i want is monitor mode and injection on the wifi | 02:52 |
| cehteh | yeah | 02:52 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: so you can burn your battery in 8 minutes? ;) | 02:52 |
| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: yup. | 02:52 |
| RobbieAB | That's why I want PAN AP mode :p | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | It would be a lot more effective to have USB-host. Just attach a USB-dongle with external antenna | 02:53 |
| cehteh | well .. i just like to set the battery low warning higher | 02:53 |
| cehteh | if you get it and dont run to the charger its too late | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | Not in my world | 02:54 |
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| crashanddie_ | I don't know what you guys did to your batteries lol... | 02:54 |
| RobbieAB | Anyway, I guess dnsmasq is as good as anything for dhcp. | 02:54 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: i thought that usb was impossible on a hw level? | 02:54 |
| RobbieAB | I just need to work out how to configure it now :p | 02:54 |
| cehteh | RobbieAB: also look into openvpn | 02:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | *usb host | 02:54 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: there's been so many things said and done I don't believe it anymore | 02:54 |
| RobbieAB | cehteh: What does that add? :s | 02:55 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: I had Nokia Engineers tell me it wasn't possible, then I had Nokia Engineers it was 100% possible, etc, etc, etc | 02:55 |
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| * RobbieAB HAS got BT PAN working, so the rest is just configuration. | 02:55 | |
| cehteh | C-S-B-N900: hardware level as in wireing, maybe with more or less efforts and resoldering you get it working, Doc will look after that | 02:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | DocScrutinizer: you get that? | 02:55 |
| cehteh | he is in the pub | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | Say goodbye to warranty once you approach a soldering iron to the N900 | 02:56 |
| cehteh | hehe and didnt take his n900 with him today :P | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | well, not that I have any warranty on my device anyway but still | 02:56 |
| Shapeshifter | warranty isn't much good anyway | 02:56 |
| C-S-B-N900 | off course. | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | cehteh: you guys a gay couple or something? | 02:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | *of | 02:56 |
| cehteh | crashanddie_: eh why, no | 02:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | what is DocScrutinizer then? | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | cehteh: you just know way too much from each other's lives :P | 02:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im techy, but i wouldnt rely on me for usb host | 02:57 |
| cehteh | crashanddie_: he told that he goes to the pub here in this channel 20 minutes ago, pay attention | 02:57 |
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| *** crashanddie_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | cehteh loves Doc!" | 02:58 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | we should have our gps link to irc so we all know where we are. | 02:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 02:58 |
| cehteh | bah .. op abuse :P | 02:58 |
| crashanddie_ | :D | 02:58 |
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| cehteh | C-S-B: should be doable as away and privmsg autoresponse | 02:59 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but scary | 02:59 |
| cehteh | well since doc's n900 lies disassembled at home this wont help today anyways | 03:00 |
| crashanddie_ | again, I don't trust geoloc, and even so, it would only be usable when GPS goes through buildings, and is powered by body-produced current | 03:00 |
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| cehteh | i was a bit surprised that my n900 got a gps fix on my couch | 03:00 |
| C-S-B-N900 | so again what does DocScrutinizer do in order to reverse engineer the n900 | 03:01 |
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| RobbieAB | Yeah, it's not a bad GPS unit | 03:01 |
| crashanddie_ | shame that the software sucks donkey balls though | 03:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i was surprised to, i get gps in under a min from the car | 03:01 |
| cehteh | look what connections he can reach and figure out, study datasheets | 03:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nokia should just open the hw too. | 03:02 |
| RobbieAB | C-S-B-N900: They probably don't own it all | 03:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | dish out the info, they would make so many more sales. | 03:02 |
| cehteh | they prolly cant, lots stuff is licensed from TI and others | 03:03 |
| crashanddie_ | 5BJDzB/nxdQXJnG/UK/quH7oMXy0plwuIwwcxxXdoNVE1nAk2ong0C4uKAo55CTACpWEf0g7+viT /9H/HjlTYoi/TLGM0AaGakiZH/Zw9Uyo4f0XUC0XRyKG/ZKBwgig8BpElJmH03PO0+thnAJ9Kgdq rxfYnyGPjnR9W/bAtismlEfKwn+fHer1YEggy8ghA/wanegsbERnEgv8FJ4lgqxgbplACzV6QVAX | 03:03 |
| ljp | I dont think most mobile phone users give a hoot about open hardware | 03:03 |
| crashanddie_ | crap, sorry | 03:03 |
| cehteh | well and they prolly wont, at least some people are surely against such a move | 03:03 |
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| cehteh | open hardware is nice, but first open software | 03:04 |
| RobbieAB | C-S-B-N900: Opening the hardware specs will make very little difference to their sales. If Open hardware was such a big thing, where are all the OpenMoko devices? | 03:04 |
| cehteh | RobbieAB: well it would make it even easier for china cloners | 03:04 |
| cehteh | while these give a shit on technical identical clones | 03:04 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i think that the n900 is a more commercial hacker phone venture | 03:04 |
| cehteh | just lookalike and much cheaper is their goal | 03:05 |
| crashanddie_ | Opening hardware specs only makes a difference when you can change the hardware upstream | 03:05 |
| cehteh | but well .. the n900 just production and pieces cost without development is way lower than its street price | 03:05 |
| RobbieAB | I think the N900 is a the prototype, beta as it were, for the next model in the line. It's still a little too rough around the edges to try and take on the iPhone | 03:06 |
| cehteh | so somone who clones the hardware can make it substantially cheaper | 03:06 |
| crashanddie_ | RobbieAB: hi, welcome to 2005, check out the 770 | 03:06 |
| cehteh | RobbieAB: well i fear that the next modell will be less geekish | 03:06 |
| crashanddie_ | anyone who says the N900 is a prototype never held a 770 in their hands | 03:06 |
| * C-S-B-N900 should have kept quiet | 03:07 | |
| crashanddie_ | same thing for people thinking the n900 is geekish, whatever | 03:07 |
| cehteh | i bet they remove some toys .. no stylus because capacitative, no ir port, no fm transmitter and so on | 03:07 |
| RobbieAB | crashanddie_: I have used an N810, it's more polished, but it's still not really a viable competitor to the iPhone. | 03:07 |
| cehteh | just a guess .. but i would bet on it that some things will get scrapped | 03:07 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i like the ir and fm tx. | 03:08 |
| cehteh | on the other side maybe more ram/flash and faster processor for the next model | 03:08 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i actually use them. | 03:08 |
| cehteh | yeah | 03:08 |
| RobbieAB | cehteh: Only if their marketing guys are stupid. The next model keeps the toys, because otherwise they loose the geek value. | 03:08 |
| cehteh | these where just examples .. dunno what else could be scrapped | 03:08 |
| RobbieAB | And that way they don't retain their big fans | 03:08 |
| cehteh | RobbieAB: Nokia has a long history of stupid marketing decisions | 03:08 |
| crashanddie_ | if they make the fm tx more powerful it's definitely a keeper, IR not so much | 03:09 |
| crashanddie_ | it's not cost effective | 03:09 |
| cehteh | well .. and the geeks are now satuated with n900's and wont buy the next one at least i wont | 03:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | fmtx is fine unless your planning a neighbourhood pirate station. | 03:09 |
| crashanddie_ | sure they will | 03:09 |
| RobbieAB | cehteh: And they also have a history of getting somethings right. | 03:09 |
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| cehteh | crashanddie_: its already more powerful than most countries regulations allow | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: haven't been able to get it to work tbh | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: none of my cars manage to get it | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | and that was the main thing I wanted to use it in | 03:10 |
| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: are you sure it even txs? | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | nope | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | well, yeah | 03:10 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i had a dead fmtx in my first unit. | 03:10 |
| RobbieAB | I think it will depend what the next one offers the geeks. Simply boosting the RAM and CPU would make it more attractive, simply as a portable computer. | 03:10 |
| cehteh | RobbieAB: more so lala and solid production quality and a shitload of well working low end phones kept them in business | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | got a very faint signal | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: mine is a pre-prod device | 03:10 |
| C-S-B-N900 | howd you get that? | 03:11 |
| crashanddie_ | cehteh: tanks, I call them | 03:11 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: maemo summit in amsterdam | 03:11 |
| RobbieAB | cehteh: How did they GET to be so big? They got something right way back when | 03:11 |
| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: what creds do you have to get it? | 03:11 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: Nokia gave away 300 phones on the first day | 03:11 |
| cehteh | yeah .. shitload of well working phones (but not highend ones) | 03:11 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: I'm just a community member and I paid for my own hotel/transport | 03:11 |
| C-S-B-N900 | gave away? | 03:12 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, we signed a contract that we have to return them at some point | 03:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | so by all accounts, turn up at the right time, get free phone? | 03:12 |
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| RobbieAB | cehteh: They grasped the whole "phone as a fashion item" long before anyone else did. | 03:12 |
| cehteh | i dont mean that bad, they have a reputation for good phones, but yet not soo much grip on the high end market, there where some outstanding devices but never by number | 03:12 |
| cehteh | yes | 03:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: when do you have to return yours? | 03:13 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: no, be a good community member and help in development/publicising Maemo and get rewarded more like it | 03:13 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: soon, sadly, don't know the exact date | 03:13 |
| RobbieAB | They sold a phone with "changable covers" as a feature, that takes getting something right in a BIG way. | 03:13 |
| C-S-B-N900 | will you be buying one? | 03:13 |
| crashanddie_ | sure | 03:13 |
| crashanddie_ | and the next one, and the next one | 03:13 |
| crashanddie_ | As long as Maemo is worth it | 03:14 |
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| cehteh | RobbieAB: exactly .. but that are not geek gadgets, the old communicator was one, the first of its kind, but it was not *that* successful it was an expensive brick too | 03:14 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: Nokia did what they had to do so that on day 1, there were apps in the repositories | 03:14 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | crashanddie_: well id like to help more. | 03:15 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: they had people review the OS, report bugs, and help make it better for everyone | 03:15 |
| crashanddie_ | From what I can tell, the most acclaimed users were people helping in the bug reports | 03:15 |
| crashanddie_ | They even got a special t-shirt for a handful of users, with "Fixed in Fremantle" written on the back | 03:15 |
| slackmagic | crashanddie_: funny, i just sent mine in for RMA because of the fm transmitter. Hasn't worked in the many cars I've tried it and with none of the radios I've tried it with. Hopefully the replacement unit will have that fixed. | 03:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | Some people -- good developers -- even got devices nearly a year before launch | 03:17 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | well i help in #ubuntu, i should get deep with maemo | 03:17 |
| slackmagic | had to part of it this morning, now currently back on my G1 until that other one comes back | 03:17 |
| crashanddie_ | they were extremely rough though, the outside of the device not finished at all, different hardware, etc | 03:17 |
| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: helping in #maemo won't do you any good if you want a free device lol | 03:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i dont want a free device excatly, just be more of a useful community member. | 03:18 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | anyway, night guys! | 03:18 |
| crashanddie_ | night | 03:19 |
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| electronicsjar | does anyone know how to verify that the system files are installed and booted from the proper memory card after following http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=console+tools and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=267779&postcount=168 | 03:25 |
| electronicsjar | ? | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf - can't I leave you allone for 30min, without you flooding my highlight catcher? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: how so? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: what did we do? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: what catcher? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: for highlights? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: does it catch other stuff as well? | 03:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: like un-highlights? | 03:30 |
| electronicsjar | does anyone know how to verify that the system files are installed and booted from the proper memory card after following http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=console+tools and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=267779&postcount=168 ? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie_ | electronicsjar: mount? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie_ | electronicsjar: which/ | 03:31 |
| crashanddie_ | ? | 03:31 |
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| crashanddie_ | electronicsjar: that's for n8x0, you realise that, right? | 03:32 |
| electronicsjar | crashanddie_, i'm talking about n810 | 03:33 |
| electronicsjar | i do realize that | 03:33 |
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| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | crashanddie_ spreads lies" | 03:35 | |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R" | 03:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzz, everybody yaggediyaggs as long as I get me a fast beer, and when I'm back it seems the internets died | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 03:44 |
| apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~good bot | 03:44 |
| apt | :), DocScrutinizer | 03:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: cut it out | 03:46 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, cut what out? | 03:46 |
| crashanddie_ | changing the topic | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: seems he's dizzy | 03:48 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: going to make you dizzy :P | 03:50 |
| * crashanddie_ throws a round-house kick at DocScrutinizer | 03:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, me doesn't care. Got some N900 to rape | 03:51 |
| crashanddie_ | we all know that's a metaphor for the underage coed you just picked up at the bar | 03:51 |
| * cedar is confused | 03:53 | |
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| crashanddie_ | that's what she said | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OH NOES!! the FPC to uSD assembly comes out of the main PCB somewher between layer 4 and 5, and enters the storage card PCB same way. To connectors, no soldering, nuttin EEEEEK | 03:56 |
| crashanddie_ | no cigar? | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/To/No/ | 03:57 |
| apt | DocScrutinizer meant: OH NOES!! the FPC to uSD assembly comes out of the main PCB somewher between layer 4 and 5, and enters the storage card PCB same way. No connectors, no soldering, nuttin EEEEEK | 03:57 |
| crashanddie_ | eh? | 03:57 |
| crashanddie_ | test | 03:57 |
| crashanddie_ | s/st/sted/ | 03:58 |
| apt | crashanddie_ meant: tested | 03:58 |
| crashanddie_ | where is infobot? | 03:58 |
| crashanddie_ | apt: who are you? | 03:58 |
| apt | crashanddie_: I think you lost me on that one | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen a nick change | 03:58 |
| crashanddie_ | apt: take me to your leader | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 03:58 |
| apt | Since Fri Mar 26 19:59:00 2010, there have been 11 modifications, 103 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 109 commands. I have been awake for 3d 4h 59m 56s this session, and currently reference 116922 factoids. I'm using about 41852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6528.11/195.67 child 0.09/0.03 | 03:58 |
| crashanddie_ | ~stats | 03:59 |
| apt | Since Fri Mar 26 19:59:00 2010, there have been 11 modifications, 103 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 109 commands. I have been awake for 3d 5h 7s this session, and currently reference 116922 factoids. I'm using about 41852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6528.47/195.95 child 0.09/0.03 | 03:59 |
| crashanddie_ | ~channels | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 03:59 |
| apt | I'm on 108 channels: #debian/872, #maemo/515, #kde/349, #gsoc/285, #meego/194, #wowace/169, #asterisk/160, #openmoko/158, #wowuidev/115, #htc-linux/103, #webos-internals/102, #oe/101, #openmoko-cdevel/93, #wowhead/90, #utah/61, #edev/57, #curseforge/49, #tomcat/48, #uphpu/47, #slug/44, #bzflag/43, #asterisk-dev/42, #sc2mapster/38, #uclibc/36, #wowwiki/34, #norganna/33, #gllug/30, #elive/26, #openezx/25, #/24, #utos/23, #elinux/23, ##kierra/22, ... | 03:59 |
| apt | i've cached 4466 users, 3491 unique users, distributed over 108 channels. | 03:59 |
| crashanddie_ | ~owner | 03:59 |
| apt | TimRiker is my owner | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~whois apt | 04:00 |
| apt | well, apt is apt, or kinky. A Pretty_Cool Tool. APT package handling utility -- command-line interface | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen infobot | 04:01 |
| apt | DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'infobot' | 04:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | hey TimRiker | 04:02 |
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| crashanddie_ | Yeah, we used to have infobot in here, not apt | 04:02 |
| Myrtti | well | 04:04 |
| Myrtti | that was interesting | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie_ | woohoo \o/ | 04:06 |
| crashanddie_ | thanks tim | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah thanks TimRiker | 04:06 |
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| TimRiker | :) dunno why it changed nicks. apt, ibot, infobot, and purl are all different connections from the same bot. | 04:10 |
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| ljp | hey Tim! | 04:12 |
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| crashanddie_ | TimRiker: thanks for fixing it anyhoo | 04:18 |
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| TimRiker | :) | 04:25 |
| TimRiker | ljp: heya! long time no talk. what are you up to these days? | 04:26 |
| ljp | still being a troll.. working on Qt Mobility and QSystemInfo specifically | 04:26 |
| ljp | how about you? | 04:26 |
| TimRiker | ljp: trying to get this to market: http://Saygus.com/vphone | 04:27 |
| TimRiker | ljp: what's it like working for nokia? LOL | 04:27 |
| ljp | the same, but different :) | 04:28 |
| TimRiker | no, it someplace else that thinks different. LOL | 04:28 |
| ljp | well, actually, I have been doing Mac dev.. :) | 04:29 |
| TimRiker | hehe | 04:29 |
| crashanddie_ | ljp: not looking for a remote dev by any chance? | 04:31 |
| ljp | crashanddie_: aren't you in QLD? | 04:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | ljp: and how the hell do you know that? | 04:36 |
| crashanddie_ | oh, there's the Qt dev team in Brissie, isn't there? | 04:37 |
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| ljp | yup | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 04:40 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 04:40 |
| ljp | crashanddie_: I pay attention :) | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~praise TimRiker | 04:40 |
| infobot | All hail TimRiker! | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 04:41 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | ljp: scary | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no indications whatsoever about differences between the 'leaked' schematics and what I find inside my N900 | 04:47 |
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| cedar | are there schematics for the n810 out there? | 05:06 |
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| Jeff91 | Is there an option in my n900 contacts book to merge all duplicate contacts? | 05:17 |
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| errordeveloper | i got this error while installing SDK | 05:24 |
| errordeveloper | http://dpaste.com/177545/ | 05:24 |
| errordeveloper | i'm fallowing this instructions http://geektor.blogspot.com/2009/12/maemo-5-sdk-in-gentoo.html | 05:27 |
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| errordeveloper | ok, i see it's to do with vdso_enable=0 , but i haven't got VDSO_COMPAT compiled in the kernel | 05:36 |
| errordeveloper | so if it needs to be disable ..why would it need to be compiled in then??? | 05:36 |
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| errordeveloper | ah ..now aby.vsyscall32=0 is the one! | 05:38 |
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| Funnyface2 | is anyone else having trouble with the N900's wifi? | 05:58 |
| cehteh | in what way? | 05:59 |
| Funnyface2 | I have a shitty adhoc network, with vista's ICS, which I know isn't the most reliable thing in the world.. but it seems to work well with my laptop, just not my N900 | 05:59 |
| Funnyface2 | it seems to be extremely slow | 05:59 |
| Funnyface2 | but it still sort of works | 05:59 |
| cehteh | prolly powermangagement problem with your AP | 06:00 |
| Funnyface2 | if I try to ping the computer hosting it all, I get 4ms most of the time, which is normal, but every now and then I get 1400ms and such | 06:00 |
| cehteh | and if you copy data to emmc that might be the limiting factor :) | 06:00 |
| Funnyface2 | nah I am just trying to load web pages etc | 06:00 |
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| cehteh | yeah sounds like powermanagement issues (well not exactly issues, thats how powermanagement on wifi works) | 06:01 |
| Funnyface2 | at the moment, it has been sitting there loading google forever, the search box finally came up, but no images | 06:01 |
| Funnyface2 | it is adhoc, not infrastructure | 06:01 |
| Funnyface2 | :P | 06:01 |
| cehteh | uhm ok adhoc has no pm | 06:01 |
| cehteh | well dunno then | 06:01 |
| Funnyface2 | :\ | 06:03 |
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| Funnyface2 | I never had any luck with this wifi :P | 06:04 |
| Funnyface2 | but I am going to buy a proper access point soon | 06:05 |
| cehteh | my old AP makes problems too i have to reduce the powermanagement to 'moderate' settings | 06:05 |
| cehteh | but then works okish | 06:05 |
| Funnyface2 | I just need to find a suitable one, something that doesn't crash every few hours, and something that can accept port forwarding settings without rebooting | 06:05 |
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| cehteh | heh .. with AP i mean AP here .. from 2001 or so its only a ap, not a router | 06:06 |
| Funnyface2 | yeah those are fine too | 06:06 |
| Funnyface2 | to add wifi to your existing network :P | 06:06 |
| Funnyface2 | but I have no router at all at the moment | 06:06 |
| cehteh | otherwise for something new i would head out for some device which runs a user tweakable linux distri, at least where one can install such | 06:06 |
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| Funnyface2 | you're thinking of DDWRT or OpenWRT? | 06:07 |
| cehteh | this damn thing wont die to give me a reason to buy a better one | 06:07 |
| cehteh | something like that, didnt researched which one would be best | 06:07 |
| cehteh | i'll do that when this one really dies | 06:07 |
| frosty` | Funnyface2: running dd-wrt here and its been pretty good to me | 06:11 |
| cehteh | frosty`: on what device? | 06:13 |
| frosty` | cehteh: WRT54G | 06:13 |
| cehteh | eww .. if i would buy a new one, i mean a new one :) .. that hardware is a bit dated | 06:14 |
| Funnyface2 | is it stable? | 06:15 |
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| Funnyface2 | http://cgi.ebay.com/LINKSYS-WRT54G-TM-WIFI-ROUTER-W-DD-WRT-MEGA-HEATSINK_W0QQitemZ170384387009QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Routers?hash=item27abb36bc1 perhaps I should order this one | 06:22 |
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| frosty` | Funnyface2: my 54G? rock solid | 06:30 |
| Funnyface2 | so, if you had been running an ISP, you'd trust it enough to route traffic to your customers? :P | 06:31 |
| errordeveloper | hm | 06:31 |
| errordeveloper | i got another installer trouble: | 06:31 |
| frosty` | Funnyface2: uhh. sure. | 06:32 |
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| errordeveloper | http://dpaste.com/177554/ | 06:32 |
| errordeveloper | that's where first error occurs | 06:33 |
| errordeveloper | basically also in syslog i get an error msg about /etc/login.defs | 06:33 |
| errordeveloper | "Cannot open login definitions /etc/login.defs [No Such File or Directory]" | 06:34 |
| errordeveloper | first i discovered that there is no $PATH/scratchbox/etc/login.defs and i made a symlink to my /etc/login.defs | 06:35 |
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| njsf_ | Funnyface2: the WRT54G is not carrier grade, BUT plenty adequate for a hotspot deployment. It all depends on what part of the route it takes part :) | 07:05 |
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| madduck | does anyone know the problem that after an APT upgrade, all widgets disappear? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | madduck: probably one of them that failed | 08:15 |
| madduck | what do you mean? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | as in one of the widgets caused a crash, so it reverted | 08:16 |
| madduck | but all widgets are gone after the upgrade | 08:16 |
| madduck | and there was no error (I did the upgrade via SSH) | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you're not supposed to use apt-get dist-upgrade | 08:16 |
| madduck | why not? | 08:16 |
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| Stskeeps | there's some additional layers of protection in AM | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | HAM | 08:17 |
| madduck | do you know of any documentation on this? | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:20 |
| madduck | "It should be possible to, for example, freely alternate between apt-get, synaptic and the Hildon Application Manager and not have anything break." | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, except it doesn't :/ | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | cos of domains | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | apt-get dist-upgrade will do upgrades that will break your neck | 08:21 |
| madduck | okay, but the reason why this isn't really satisfactory to me is that I am a Debian developer and I know APT very well, so I'd really love to understand the technical reasons why hildon-am is so much better. | 08:22 |
| madduck | I don't know what you mean with "domains" | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know you're a debian developer, think i saw you on debconf9 :P | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/repos-devel.html | 08:23 |
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| madduck | thanks! | 08:25 |
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| Stskeeps | it does seem a bit weird in apt circumstances but it really does help against a lot of user fuckups/attack vectors | 08:27 |
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| crashanddie_ | RST38h: ehlo to you too | 08:41 |
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| cedar | ~commands | 09:21 |
| cedar | ~help | 09:22 |
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| rmrfchik | wazzup | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | not much | 09:40 |
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| tybollt | rmrfchik: you guys still in shock? | 09:46 |
| rmrfchik | yeah | 09:47 |
| rmrfchik | mourning day today in russia | 09:47 |
| thresh | i was a lucky survivor thanks to my decision to not to work in Moscow 4 years ago | 09:47 |
| rmrfchik | it is not a big risk to die on moscow because bombs | 09:48 |
| rmrfchik | we scared? yes. we under risk? no. | 09:48 |
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| thresh | well, yeah we are under risk | 09:49 |
| thresh | not bomb-related though | 09:49 |
| rmrfchik | indeed | 09:49 |
| tybollt | so who did it? chechnya, black widows? | 09:49 |
| rmrfchik | car crashes takes more lives | 09:49 |
| thresh | tybollt: they say so | 09:49 |
| rmrfchik | wtf "black widows"? | 09:49 |
| thresh | female serial killers who murder because their husbands were killed in a war | 09:50 |
| thresh | etc | 09:50 |
| rmrfchik | women almost takes no decisions in chechnya. it were kamikaze (yes, womens), but they were brain washed | 09:50 |
| tybollt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka | 09:50 |
| tybollt | ^^^^^black widows | 09:50 |
| rmrfchik | not because "my husbend killed", but because they were trained to do | 09:51 |
| thresh | not really | 09:51 |
| thresh | well, i'm no specialist anyway | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | yes, we'll see what milita say | 09:52 |
| tybollt | military will say "da Mr Putin, we will invade/crush/anihilate checnya once again" :) | 09:53 |
| rmrfchik | that's only source of info here | 09:54 |
| tybollt | what is? | 09:54 |
| rmrfchik | goverment, fsb, militia | 09:54 |
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| crashanddie_ | for a moment I thought there was a new version of Microsoft's operating system coming out | 09:55 |
| crashanddie_ | "Black Windows" | 09:55 |
| tybollt | muahaha :D | 09:55 |
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| odin_ | when does voting close ? what time ? | 10:11 |
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| adisbladis | Anybody had the problem with the key E40DC434616730BD missing in apt? | 10:37 |
| adisbladis | I have tried running "gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 616730BD" and "gpg --a --export 616730BD |apt-key add -" | 10:39 |
| adisbladis | But apt-get update still complains about invalid signatures.. | 10:39 |
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| Arkenklo | yay, grooveshark works flawlessly | 10:48 |
| Arkenklo | not a huge suprise, but man it made me sooo satisfied | 10:49 |
| adisbladis | Gah! | 10:49 |
| adisbladis | This gpg thing is driving me nuts.. | 10:50 |
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| tybollt | adisbladis: what about it is? | 10:53 |
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| adisbladis | tybollt: http://pastebin.com/9wGP3iMg | 11:05 |
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| tybollt | heh | 11:10 |
| tybollt | adisbladis: if you update HAM | 11:10 |
| tybollt | and then run apt-get update again | 11:10 |
| tybollt | does the issue still appear? | 11:10 |
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| adisbladis | tybollt: HAM? | 11:14 |
| tybollt | app manager | 11:14 |
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| adisbladis | tybollt: It just says "No updates available" | 11:19 |
| tybollt | adisbladis: then run apt-get update again | 11:19 |
| tybollt | still gpg issues? | 11:19 |
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| adisbladis | Yep | 11:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh lord writing a sharing plugin is complicated | 11:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | the picasa plugin is like >3000 lines of C | 11:36 |
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| Surfa | surprise | 11:42 |
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| cehteh | heh complicated starts at 50k lines C | 11:51 |
| Djkrikke | hi guys, is there a way to share 3G via wifi without joikuspot? | 11:52 |
| asj | Djkrikke: it's linux, it can't be that complicated | 11:52 |
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| mzanetti_ | Djkrikke: iptables :) | 11:53 |
| asj | and joikuspot is a pita since last I tried it was ad-hoc anyways | 11:53 |
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| Djkrikke | i see..asj, did you akready manage to fix it without joikuspot? | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: I might write a plugin that uploads to an ftp/ssh server. the bash script is like 3 lines (mogrify, upload, return link) | 11:56 |
| asj | Djkrikke: fix what? nothing is broken | 11:56 |
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| Djkrikke | fixing wifi routing without joikuspot I meant | 11:57 |
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| asj | there's so much more to it than just routing | 11:57 |
| nidO | an ftp/scp sharing plugin would be damn handy | 11:58 |
| mgedmin | Djkrikke, I sort-of managed once, but it was painful | 11:58 |
| asj | if you don't know networking well, iptables, 802.11 aps, etc, why not just buy joikuspot? | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/30mar10ob235vcefgh.jpg | 12:00 |
| rwat | is it ok to discuss maemo v android from a user perspective here, or does it get me banned ? | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | can always try, if it's constructive | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:01 |
| rmrfchik | eventually, you will be banned in any way | 12:01 |
| asj | RST38h: ? | 12:01 |
| rmrfchik | RST38h: china maemo mockup? | 12:01 |
| nidO | maemo? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | rmrf: Toshiba K01 | 12:02 |
| asj | no it's winmo | 12:02 |
| nidO | thats a winmo interface | 12:02 |
| RST38h | rmrf: Running WinMo though | 12:02 |
| asj | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/toshiba-k01-goes-official-as-is02-in-japan/ | 12:02 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: there is a ftp sharing plugin on ovi store .. while i miss a sftp/scp plugin, i would donate you a beer at least for that :) | 12:02 |
| rmrfchik | who needs winmo this days? | 12:02 |
| RST38h | rmrf: Toshiba apparently is. | 12:03 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: mhh, when I have the time I'll make one | 12:04 |
| rmrfchik | either this is for special market or they lose sense of situation. win 6.5 is so ooooollld | 12:04 |
| rmrfchik | RST38h: next article in engadget far more interesting | 12:04 |
| rmrfchik | http://www.blogcdn.com/japanese.engadget.com/media/2010/03/is01top.jpg | 12:04 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: rsync would be nice too, while prolly not really required for sharing | 12:05 |
| nidO | winmo 6.5 bashing or not, a >4inch screen device with a full keyboard is rather nice, hardware wise | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | .. | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well, presence or absence of bq27200 interests me | 12:06 |
| Shapeshifter | bbq27200 | 12:06 |
| Shapeshifter | the grill YOU need | 12:06 |
| rmrfchik | damn, /bin/sh in maemo5 has no clue about UTF8 | 12:06 |
| mgedmin | busybox has its downsides | 12:06 |
| rmrfchik | i wonder, if I hack /etc/passwd to set sh as /bin/bash... | 12:07 |
| cehteh | i once compiled bash4 for the n900 .. with some hacks | 12:07 |
| mgedmin | I believe chsh exists; I was always too scared to try it | 12:07 |
| rmrfchik | there is bash3 in packages | 12:07 |
| cehteh | since when? | 12:07 |
| cehteh | i only seen bash2 | 12:07 |
| rmrfchik | dunno. i just installed in ysterday | 12:07 |
| cehteh | but thats 3+ months ago | 12:07 |
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| rmrfchik | s/in/it | 12:07 |
| cehteh | nice .. | 12:08 |
| rmrfchik | I always prefer zsh, but hope bash will enough on tablet | 12:08 |
| nidO | ah good, ovi store did actually get an update to support maemo publishing finally | 12:08 |
| rmrfchik | publishing? | 12:08 |
| cehteh | i needed only bash3 but tried bash4 just for fun, a testsuite i have uses the =~ regex operator | 12:08 |
| nidO | yeah, publishers can now actually publish maemo apps to it | 12:08 |
| nidO | havent been able to until now | 12:09 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: ah. is =~ bash 3 or 4? | 12:09 |
| rmrfchik | oh. so we should expect waterfall of apps in ovi? | 12:09 |
| cehteh | nidO: you mean sharing works finally and doesnt crash? | 12:09 |
| nidO | eh? | 12:09 |
| cehteh | Shapeshifter: bash3 is sufficient | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | right | 12:09 |
| cehteh | ah store .. | 12:10 |
| cehteh | you was at ovi share .. never worked for me | 12:10 |
| cehteh | trying to upload a photo just hangs | 12:10 |
| rmrfchik | nidO: does it mean, there should be a lot of apps now? | 12:10 |
| cehteh | trying to open the 'albums' crashes the sharing app | 12:10 |
| nidO | well it means publishers *can* now publish maemo apps, so presumably nokia feel the store's actually ready to support them | 12:10 |
| nidO | cehteh: im sure I managed to use ovi share in the past, just checking tho | 12:11 |
| cehteh | never ever worked for me .. | 12:11 |
| cehteh | and i have no idea why not | 12:11 |
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| cehteh | anyways i want ssh/sftp sharing to my own server | 12:11 |
| nidO | I managed to share a photo to it on 20/02/2010 without problems :p | 12:12 |
| Shapeshifter | mh but this picasa plugin doesn't work. | 12:12 |
| cehteh | well for fun i sometimes directly mount my server to /media/mmc1/DCIM :) | 12:12 |
| nidO | but yeah i really wouldnt say no to an scp-to-own-server plugin | 12:12 |
| cehteh | sshfs ftw | 12:12 |
| cehteh | http://public.pipapo.org/ | 12:12 |
| nidO | "this page is in irish.." | 12:13 |
| cehteh | irish? | 12:13 |
| nidO | thats what google toolbar thinks yeah :p | 12:13 |
| cehteh | heh | 12:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | so has anyone found out how to do fullscreen in vgba? | 12:18 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh, nevermind, yo already answered that one :) | 12:20 |
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| amanda9 | http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s | 12:23 |
| amanda9 | what the ... | 12:23 |
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| * MohammadAG does the Qt upgrade | 12:25 | |
| Kurppa_ | Good luck. | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | pyQt | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | I need it | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get dist-upgrade isn't something that went well last time | 12:26 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia | 12:26 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia ! | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG | what's diffmo? | 12:27 |
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| MohammadAG | pr1.2 better be released soon | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | extras-devel is full of broken packages | 12:32 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: I am wondering how many devs will stop using extras | 12:32 |
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| MohammadAG | good thing we still get the source... | 12:32 |
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| MohammadAG | oh wait, the sdk was updated, i forgot :/ | 12:33 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders what would happen if he force installs the SDK in Easy Debian | 12:48 | |
| Stskeeps | nothing interesting | 12:48 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:51 |
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| lardman | hey Khertan | 12:51 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 12:51 |
| lardman | how are things? | 12:51 |
| Khertan | lardman: fine ... thx for asking :) | 12:52 |
| * lardman smiles inside looking a the openpandora website and seeing that they still haven't managed to produce anything yet | 12:52 | |
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| Khertan | lardman: they haven't produce any device yet ? | 12:52 |
| lardman | well protos, but doesn't look like any paying customers have got one yet | 12:54 |
| lardman | from reading the "status update blog" it looks like they are still buggering around with cases | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | should just sell the boards.. | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:54 |
| lardman | I'm rather glad I pulled my money 1.5 years ago when it was first supposed to be released | 12:55 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: hard to tell if it's a case of perfectionism, or that it's all a smokescreen because stuff isn't (and certainly wasn't) ready | 12:55 |
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| lardman | I mean it must have cost them some serious money with all the repeated prototyping, but then I suppose they have the interest from their pre-order money | 12:56 |
| Anss| | status says that mass production has started. | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | moroning | 12:58 |
| lardman | hi DocScrutinizer | 12:58 |
| lardman | Anss|: well mass production of keymats would count there ;) | 12:58 |
| lardman | Anss|: but seriously, afaiu they have the boards made, though who knows | 12:58 |
| Aranel | is it possible (maybe any HOWTOs about it?) to use screensavers with N900? It's weird nobody asks for it. | 13:00 |
| jrocha | hi, any folks from maemo.org? I've uploaded SeriesFinale 0.5 and today I promoted it but still it doesn't show up in my N900 | 13:00 |
| lardman | Aranel: no need to save LCD screens, plus it powers off | 13:00 |
| MiXu- | using a screensaver is a waste of power | 13:00 |
| lardman | Aranel: you'd be better creating an app that runs the "screensaver" so it looks pretty, etc. | 13:01 |
| MiXu- | World would be a better place if they had never been invented :D | 13:01 |
| Aranel | lardman: In fact I do not want it to save my screen, I'd love it if it shows time/date, new messages etc. | 13:01 |
| lardman | Aranel: there's a bug for adding more info to the unlock screen? | 13:01 |
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| lardman | that might be a better bet | 13:02 |
| Aranel | yeah i know, anyway I've used some screensavers with my Nxx devices and It was not a power waster for me. | 13:02 |
| Surfa | it drains battery pretty fast so you probably don't really want that.. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | jrocha: let me check. | 13:02 |
| Aranel | hmm but since the unlock screen goes off after seconds, it would not do the trick. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | jrocha: fremantle? | 13:02 |
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| lardman | Aranel: but the screen still goes off quite quickly with those devices doens't it? | 13:02 |
| jrocha | X-Fade, yup | 13:02 |
| jrocha | X-Fade, thanks | 13:02 |
| Aranel | screen light goes off but It still shows the information all day. | 13:03 |
| lardman | Aranel: well that could also be a modification, it's certainly wasted atm with pictures of water drops (or whatever it is) | 13:03 |
| lardman | Aranel: personally I'd prefer the power saving of switching the LCD off, vs leaving it on and switching the backlight off | 13:03 |
| lardman | it's not so hard to press a button | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Aranel, no. | 13:04 |
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| lardman | I don't know what the power drains are of our large LCD vs the smaller ones on phones (w/out bl) | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | keeping screen awake unbacklit on n900 costs a fair bit | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how much? | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | you've got to keep much of the cpu awake | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | Xorg? | 13:05 |
| hrw | I hope that next nokia maemo^Wmeego^Wpeego^Wwhatever linux phone will finally be able to run without swap on slow drive | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | and no, I haven't measured it today. | 13:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | yet I mean. | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe today. | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well dss would be active but core+neon+mpu+stuff would be OFF, right.. | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | unless stuff on screen is updating :) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to keep the LCD awake, and possibly the framebuffer | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK, aiui, ye | 13:06 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: the point here was to keep updating the screen too | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | s | 13:06 |
| Aranel | If there's a easy way to test it, I would :) | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm not even sure about the later, given the LCD is driven via 3 I2C alike serial lines aiui | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | well - you can test power use easily | 13:06 |
| Aranel | I think some app like Batter Eye would calculate that very well | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, not lvds? | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | from schematics not | 13:07 |
| lardman | do we have schematics? | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no sure | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, must be. | 13:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, 3 lines for 16*480*800*60 | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 13:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | echo $1>/sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.2/backlight:acx565akm/brightness | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | save those lines to /usr/local/bin/brightness | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: k, seems I missed a few bits (literally :-P) | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | then brightness 0 will turn off the bl. | 13:11 |
| Hohoo | Some idiot keeps sending me a spam SMS every other second. Is it possible to block them by modifying that callblock.py script? | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Z1505, Z1521..3 | 13:11 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/ is easier path | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | do life test with screen on and bl off | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | hrw, prolly | 13:12 |
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| MiXu- | Hohoo: I prefer the approach of reporting him to his operator and/or police | 13:13 |
| hrw | argh... 256M ram + 768M swap was terrible idea | 13:13 |
| MiXu- | I agree. If the swap actually has to be used the device goes pretty much unusable. | 13:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | swap use ballooned to 500 megs when I did tracker -r and it reindexed and thumbnailed 200 videos.. | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | my n900 has been my major device for a while | 13:15 |
| Hohoo | MiXu-: you know... he's one of those kids who get their kicks from sending empty messages | 13:15 |
| MiXu- | nice :P | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | the browser can use lots of memory if you use it lots | 13:16 |
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| odin_ | has everyone voted... last day today is it ? | 13:17 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: thats gecko - so it has to use insane amount of ram | 13:17 |
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| nidO | nope, too new to m.o to vote :( | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | this is _so_ broken | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | eats ram like cat eat fish | 13:18 |
| * odin_ pull down his pants (for a moment) | 13:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | ff1.5 was _much_ better on a pII/300/128 | 13:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | even with 20 tabs | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | developers should be forced to devel on what people have in average of machines | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:19 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about ff 1.5 on arm | 13:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | that would be interesting | 13:20 |
| corecode | vote for? | 13:22 |
| lardman | corecode: new council | 13:22 |
| corecode | a-ha. | 13:22 |
| MiXu- | SpeedEvil: Back then the websites were lighter as well. | 13:22 |
| Kurppa_ | And internet was lighter. | 13:23 |
| corecode | i was lighter too | 13:23 |
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| corecode | in case that matters | 13:23 |
| * SpeedEvil is tempted to find laptop. | 13:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | I wasn't. | 13:23 |
| corecode | always skinny? | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I think 10kg heavier. | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: devels should be forced to test on the crappiest shit you can possibly find | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/wlog | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/wlog.gif | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | Celeron Mobile 900 with 512M of ram and Windows 7 Home Premium? | 13:24 |
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| MiXu- | lol | 13:24 |
| Kurppa_ | With f-secure running on background. | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm a firm believer of developing on machines until it is a financial problem (job) or a blocker to not upgrade them | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, fair enough | 13:25 |
| Kurppa_ | DocScrutinizer: devels don't test though. | 13:26 |
| Kurppa_ | They just code & commit. | 13:26 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: and along that theme I'm finally getting round to upgrading my work machine which I bought 5 years ago | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kurppa_: I usually beat them all down the alley for that :-P | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kurppa_: It's the devel who *should* know best what to test and how in detail his patches may have borked the app. If a devel is too arrogant or too numb to understand he's not the god of coding and shit happen and he has to check before committing broken shit, too bad for him - deserves spanking | 13:30 |
| lardman | hmm, I'd probably not go with the spanking myself | 13:31 |
| lardman | ;) | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "sorry users, my last patch made 0.9.8.4-55 segfault at start. Fill fix that tonight" - I mean, WHAT??? | 13:34 |
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| X-Fade | jrocha: found the issue, should be visible soon. | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I coded security software for subways. Go figure | 13:35 |
| jrocha | X-Fade, what was the problem? | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the signaling and blocking shit | 13:36 |
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| X-Fade | jrocha: Small race condition in the sync to live part. | 13:36 |
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| jrocha | X-Fade, so it wasn't my fault? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops sorry, this train is junk, will fix that bit tonight | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | jrocha: No, it wasn't. | 13:36 |
| jrocha | X-Fade, ok | 13:36 |
| poutsi | anybody know where the desktop widget settings are stored on fremantle? | 13:36 |
| poutsi | need to kill a widget that won't die otherwise | 13:37 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: well that's mission critical, there's also the committment issue of it being a job vs a hobby | 13:39 |
| * Arif_ sneezes | 13:39 | |
| * lardman says bless you | 13:39 | |
| Arif_ | Thank you ={ | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: sure. but there's a essential right and a basically wrong kind of attitude | 13:39 |
| * Arif_ found another new feature in ovi store :D | 13:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | supports N900 now? | 13:40 |
| Arif_ | it already did... | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | store, bah | 13:40 |
| Arif_ | but now you can remember your login for 2 weeks! | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ovi contacts | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sync please | 13:40 |
| Arif_ | N900 won't get Ovi afaik | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a bad joke | 13:41 |
| nidO | Arif_ the major new store feature is the ability to actually publish maemo content at last :> | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | they took a whole day of maintenance to add 2 stars to the rating system and a "remember for 2 weeks" checkbox | 13:41 |
| Arif_ | oh and you can change your phone/language on the fly | 13:42 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: definitely, but if an segfault is being caused that you'd not seen before, you may not have the time to fix it immediately | 13:44 |
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| Arif_ | nidO, does that mean we'll get moar Sugar Snow Fairies? | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: it's well understood a devel can't do industry grade testing. There's the testing team for that (whatever that may be in the end). But obvious breakages caused by a fix pushed 4AM after 10 min of coding, with exactly zero testing - that's maximum sentence: winxp admin for 2 years | 13:47 |
| nidO | well, it means that developers can actually push real applications into it rather than just the trash offered by their "selected partners" | 13:47 |
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| Arif_ | great, that means we'll get joiku and maybe sygic | 13:47 |
| Arif_ | =) | 13:47 |
| nidO | maybe. | 13:47 |
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| nidO | though, if both are already selling well through their own sites, they may not bother any more | 13:48 |
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| Arif_ | knowing most N900 users know where to get apps I don't think it makes much of a difference | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ovi store for n900 is a metoo for iphone-fanboys. Considering that's linux here, and there's a wiki and so on, store is largely useless | 13:52 |
| tybollt | while I agree w/ you Doc, I find you're a bit grumpier than usual today :) | 13:53 |
| Arif_ | ofcourse its useless when its empty... | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | headache, and coffee not jet kicked in | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 13:54 |
| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: there is a couple of funny apps in OVI ;) | 13:54 |
| nidO | well, having a working store is by far the best way for software developed by non-developer commercial organisations to push software for maemo, and they undoubtedly wont do so without one | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | omg | 13:54 |
| tybollt | omg | 13:54 |
| lardman | hmm, I disagree though, having an app-store for all apps would be good, and my assumption was that Ovi store is there to allow non-free apps | 13:55 |
| rmrfchik | and it's nice to have "what's new" | 13:55 |
| Arif_ | funny apps? | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | getting ovi store working for maemo is essential for the future of the platform. | 13:55 |
| Arif_ | there's Angry Birds.... | 13:55 |
| rmrfchik | at least | 13:55 |
| tybollt | no | 13:55 |
| tybollt | having maemo repo' | 13:55 |
| tybollt | s is _the_ strength of this device | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | how do you get paid for an app that's in a repo? | 13:56 |
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| tybollt | I'd hate to have a situatiomn where everything developed wuld have to be approved by some snotty faced youngster at apple|nokia|intel|whathaveyou | 13:56 |
| MiXu- | tybollt: Maybe from a tech (nerd) point of view. | 13:56 |
| rmrfchik | when it get "what's new" function like in apttide and screenshots, it will be strength | 13:56 |
| lardman | tybollt: I don;t care where it comes from, but the app-store like presentation is good imo | 13:56 |
| MiXu- | tybollt: But don't get me wrong. I love it. :D | 13:56 |
| MiXu- | But from money point of view repos are irrelevant. | 13:56 |
| rmrfchik | repo solves different problem. | 13:57 |
| tybollt | I don't want a hippie at apple|nokia|whatever to decidewhat I can and can't use software wise | 13:57 |
| nidO | its the strength of it as far as actual developers developing foss is concerned, but commercial non-it related businesses that want to push out an app for one reason or another dont want to deal with all the "crap and complication" that comes with repos, when they can just submit it to nokia and get it shown in the store | 13:57 |
| tybollt | that is for apple/ms phones | 13:57 |
| MiXu- | tybollt: Oh, I'm not saying that _everything_ should be in ovi store. | 13:57 |
| rmrfchik | agree | 13:57 |
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| MiXu- | I'm saying it's something that must be there for the platform to succeed. | 13:57 |
| tybollt | this crap w/ apple denying users to use/publish their apps upsets me to no end. | 13:57 |
| MiXu- | Repos can coexist. | 13:57 |
| tybollt | mixu++ | 13:58 |
| tybollt | repos can indeed | 13:58 |
| rmrfchik | apple denies other app sources, while ovi is one of app sourceses | 13:58 |
| MiXu- | exactly | 13:58 |
| hrw | basically what is needed is ONE tool which will handle browsing apps, installing/uninstalling, paying for apps and checking what is new. | 13:58 |
| rmrfchik | that's a difference | 13:58 |
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| Arif_ | stop assuming Ovi should be the _only_ option for apps! :P | 13:58 |
| nidO | actually having only one tool on a platform like maemo would be a big fail | 13:58 |
| MiXu- | having two tools (like now) is fine | 13:59 |
| rmrfchik | i love apt/dpkg ;) | 13:59 |
| nidO | ovi isnt remotely suitable for some purposes, and the repos arent suitable for others | 13:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes a smiley note in calendar, for Arif_ started a real productive discussion with his 'trolling' | 13:59 | |
| nidO | it needs both | 13:59 |
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| MiXu- | :) | 14:00 |
| Arif_ | aw :( | 14:00 |
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| MiXu- | Try harder next time. | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: for making money, there's exactly one option: sell an activation code. You can do this via ovistore (really?), or via your own website, and it doesn't matter if the download is via repo or via ovistore | 14:06 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Activation code is much harder than just click and install. | 14:06 |
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| MiXu- | And people are dumb, so things need to be easy. Apple has shown it. | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 14:07 |
| MiXu- | But yes, it's possible like that. :) | 14:07 |
| rmrfchik | people are dumb when you said so. in japan apple way is a fail way -- japanese loves complex devices. | 14:07 |
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| nidO | possible yes, convenient to the day-to-day user, not in the slightest | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: but then iPhone isn't exactly linux FOSS scene | 14:08 |
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| MiXu- | No it's not. | 14:08 |
| RST38h | Design a device any idiot can use, and only idiots will. | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the point | 14:08 |
| rmrfchik | but western marketoids (kill'em all!) make think people are dumb and sell dumb devices | 14:08 |
| tybollt | RST38h: =D that's the old mac joke reused right there :P | 14:08 |
| MiXu- | But designing a device like this with only "linux scene" in mind is dumb. | 14:09 |
| rmrfchik | hate this approach | 14:09 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: in soviet russia marketoid kills you | 14:09 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Well, it has been reused in relation to Apple products, hasn't it? | 14:09 |
| nidO | its not about "any idiot can use" its about "not being needlessly complex" - who wants to arse around with activation codes, then having to remember/write down the activation code / rely on the developer to re-issue one if you happen to wipe you device and need a reinstall | 14:09 |
| tybollt | RST38h: yub :D | 14:09 |
| nidO | rather than just login to your store account and redownload everything you paid for. | 14:09 |
| tybollt | RST38h: don't get me wrong, I get the warm fuzzies every time I hear it :) | 14:09 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: in soviet russia marketoids....wait, marketoid in russia? lol, nonsence | 14:09 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: :D | 14:10 |
| MiXu- | :D | 14:10 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 14:10 | |
| Arif_ | marketoıd ın Russia=goverment! | 14:10 |
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| rmrfchik | Arif_: there is no market in russia, so no marketoids | 14:11 |
| RST38h | The "soviet russia" clause should be prohibited from being used in the discussion, same as the Hitler clause | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, on linux every idiot can install arbitrary .deb or .rpm. On iPone default is user can *not* do this, without 'jailbreaking' his device | 14:11 |
| rmrfchik | in soviet russia RST38h is prohibited! | 14:11 |
| MaikB | hey guys. I just sorted out how to use MADDE with cmake (via the $HOME symlink trick shown here). At least for compiling and linking, Are there rumors when an updated version of MADDE will arrive= | 14:12 |
| MaikB | ? | 14:12 |
| RST38h | DocS: Which makes most users jailbreak their devices | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: honestly, no | 14:13 |
| Arif_ | most of them do that to steal the games | 14:13 |
| RST38h | DocS: Which in turn allows Steve Jobs lawyers to claim that most of their users are violaitng law | 14:13 |
| MaikB | And asking for firmware v1.2 seems to get a meme, should I do it? :P | 14:13 |
| RST38h | DocS: Which in turn allows the courts to incarcerate them | 14:13 |
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| RST38h | DocS: Which in turn lets other prisoners repeatedly rape poor iPhone users with a toilet plunger | 14:13 |
| tybollt | RST38h: ehr no... soviet russia ! godwins... no way | 14:14 |
| Arif_ | MaikB, be different and claim you have it | 14:14 |
| hrw | MaikB: november 2010 | 14:14 |
| RST38h | DocS: Which of course brings a lot of happiness into iPhone users lives | 14:14 |
| MaikB | lol | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Case closed. | 14:14 |
| MaikB | Arif_: yeah! | 14:14 |
| rmrfchik | and they just got copy/paste a couple days ago... dumb devices for dumb people | 14:14 |
| Arif_ | And mikrofost just _removed_ copy paste from their os :D | 14:15 |
| MaikB | rmrfchik: hm, dump devices for non technical ppl, I'd say | 14:15 |
| rmrfchik | MS plans not to implement copy/paster. It said, they don't want patent war | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs no jailbreak - buying iPhone is a crime in itself ;-P | 14:15 |
| Arif_ | copy, paste is patented now? | 14:15 |
| MaikB | Apple? | 14:15 |
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| rmrfchik | MaikB: so why did they added this feature? | 14:15 |
| tybollt | Arif_: are you still breathing? You owe darwin descendants a fortune in royalties | 14:15 |
| Arif_ | I'm poor | 14:16 |
| Arif_ | :D | 14:16 |
| rmrfchik | Arif_: the way how is done on finger-oriented interface | 14:16 |
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| Arif_ | we need a new patent system | 14:16 |
| rmrfchik | MaikB: oh, after a year of living with iphone makes people smarter! and they start demanding c/p ;) | 14:16 |
| Arif_ | this one got too retarded | 14:16 |
| MaikB | rmrfchik: because they realized even normal ppl want to copy and paste | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: ++ | 14:17 |
| MiXu- | Is it a fact that any proper app can now be put into ovi store, and it can be charged for? | 14:17 |
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| rmrfchik | killer feature! even MS can't do this! viva apple ;) | 14:17 |
| MaikB | rmrfchik: oh boy, is Mr. Jobs right behind you? | 14:17 |
| MiXu- | I couldn't find any news about it | 14:17 |
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| * Arif_ patents 3D copy paste | 14:17 | |
| rmrfchik | MaikB: thanks. kicked him. bastard. | 14:17 |
| nidO | MiXu- - not sure about the charging, but ovi publishing does now allow maemo apps to all publishers | 14:18 |
| MaikB | :P | 14:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer patents Arif_ | 14:18 | |
| MiXu- | great | 14:18 |
| MiXu- | N900 needs a tabulator key. :) | 14:19 |
| Arif_ | lets start with a DPad :( | 14:19 |
| Arendtsen | is there anyway to tell the N900 which connection it has to use when not in coverage of wifi? | 14:20 |
| rmrfchik | at first it need Fullscreen key and couple of universlal keys. say enter/escape | 14:20 |
| MiXu- | well enter is there, so the rest is just software | 14:20 |
| Arif_ | some hardware music keys would be nice too | 14:20 |
| rmrfchik | MiXu-: no enter when case is closed | 14:21 |
| rmrfchik | on n810 I used to use home/escape keys among with fullscreen | 14:21 |
| MiXu- | I've never had those so I don't miss them | 14:21 |
| rmrfchik | try to nagivate to desktop from canola | 14:22 |
| Arif_ | they forgot the top left button in canola | 14:22 |
| MiXu- | Well that's their problem :) | 14:23 |
| rmrfchik | and try to nagivate from bookmark in fbreader | 14:23 |
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| Arif_ | canola has the worst UI ever anyway | 14:23 |
| rmrfchik | you _have_to_ switch off fullscreen to get access to toolbar and click Back | 14:23 |
| MiXu- | ctrl + backspace brings up the app switcher | 14:23 |
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| rmrfchik | it's wrong use case | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: ack | 14:25 |
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| rmrfchik | i like canola...at least on n810. | 14:25 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: canola is usable only on n8x0 | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and finally I found it's not any better usability wise than mediaplayer | 14:26 |
| hrw | on 770 it lags due to dbus problems, on n900 it does not index MyDocs | 14:26 |
| Arif_ | hrw, oh so I'm not the only one with that problem | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart indexing | 14:26 |
| * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at indexing | 14:26 | |
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| Arif_ | I tried playing interent streams in it but couldn't even add an url :( | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean wtf?? I know where my media files are | 14:27 |
| hrw | Arif_: canola in maemo5 extras is result of mistake made by maemo admins which just rebuilt all from diablo for fremantle | 14:27 |
| Arif_ | DocScrutinizer, its handy having music indexed by artist/album though | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | okok, but *MANUALLY* triggered indexing PLEASE | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | hrw I'm assuming it's the same for the usbcontrol app | 14:28 |
| hrw | Arif_: it is also handy to have music indexed properly which so far n900 fails | 14:28 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: yes | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | on an arbitrary subtree of fs | 14:28 |
| Arif_ | I'd prefer if it only looks in one folder and renews whenever _I_ tell it to | 14:28 |
| hrw | Arif_: I have too many 'unknown album/unknown artist' files | 14:28 |
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| MohammadAG | hrw they can be removed though, right? | 14:29 |
| Arif_ | hrw, the tags are borked? | 14:29 |
| rmrfchik | canola allows to browse directories | 14:29 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: in theory | 14:29 |
| hrw | Arif_: rather files are !mp3 !aac | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | hrw and in practice? | 14:29 |
| Arif_ | only tag problems I had were with flacs | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | this freaking indexing by a daemon is 10.000 times worse than the usual "we know what you want" attitude of redmond crap | 14:30 |
| Arif_ | =} | 14:30 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: tlaking about slowdown due to index daemon? | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's a clusterfuck in just every aspect of the shitty idea | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got a directory tree for a good reason - not for a gashead indexer to hide all that structure away from me, and show me the IRemocon buttons together with my snapshots | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simple case: let's assume I got MyDocs/Music/mp3 and MyDocs/music/flac. No what the hell a mess will idexer create out of this, if there are doublettes? | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/No/Now | 14:35 |
| Arif_ | you see a song twice | 14:35 |
| Arif_ | and have no idea which is flac/mp3 without listening :D | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and will have no idea whatsoever which is the mp3 and which is the flac | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | bingo | 14:36 |
| nidO | i've always been with you on this one, I despise every media player that thinks it knows better than me and wants to "sort" all my media as it thinks I should see it rather than just keeping it in a folder structure | 14:36 |
| Arif_ | I miss the podcast serperation from Symbian... | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | now add to this the inability in mediaplayer to *force* it to a particular media *file* | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which seems to apply to canola as well | 14:38 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: no ida | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: duh. See this now. how? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: (<rmrfchik> canola allows to browse directories) | 14:39 |
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| tybollt | isn't canola a type of patry (other than this N900 app)? | 14:40 |
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| tybollt | pastry | 14:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer neeeeeeeds a second N900 | 14:40 | |
| Arif_ | there's a browse by folder option in canola | 14:40 |
| Arif_ | but it doesn't index any of the files on 32GB memory... | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: ohh, so it sorts the indexed files by folder? | 14:41 |
| Arif_ | If I had a microSD I could tell you ={ | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of simply opening a fileselector widget? | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: nah, you can answer this question by mere observation | 14:42 |
| Arif_ | I have "audio clips" and "memory card" | 14:43 |
| Arif_ | oh wait, I have a 2G card in my DS | 14:43 |
| * Arif_ goes digs around | 14:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: hmm, rename or copy one media file. then immediately after this copy, try to playback the new file in canola | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | this will tell if canola used prebuilt index or actually accesses the directory tree in fs | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd be willing to give canola a second chance (maybe anothe 10 minutes) if it actually could work without a friggin background indexer, by simply opening files by FQN | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | DocS: Opening files is no longer fashionable | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | gaaaaaah | 14:47 |
| RST38h | DocS: All the real geeks run tracker nowadays! | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I take pride in not being fashionable | 14:47 |
| * mgedmin haaaates tracker, sorta | 14:47 | |
| RST38h | Tracker is soooooo nice! It uses a database! It uses a daemon! | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | it uses many fancy words like ontology | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | and it has never-seen-before query languages | 14:48 |
| RST38h | It uses specially muta^H^H^Hevolved version of SQL to query stuff! | 14:48 |
| tybollt | awesome | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: and I'm not exactly a geek, I'm a digital pioneer dinosaur | 14:48 |
| tybollt | so now I have to know SQL to be able to play a song? | 14:48 |
| RST38h | It is object oriented and ontological and all kinds of nice things that occur in PhD dissertations | 14:48 |
| Arif_ | oh wow | 14:48 |
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| Arif_ | the card is kinda borked ;( | 14:48 |
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| RST38h | (of course it is slow like hedgehog on mushrooms, eats resources, and does not do a very good job on indexing, but it is PROGRESS PEOPLE!) | 14:49 |
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| tybollt | I like that RST38h progress over usability - right? | 14:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer founds indexer haters party, and votes for a second elections turn on council :-P | 14:51 | |
| Arif_ | DocScrutinizer, it indexes :P | 14:51 |
| Arif_ | and takes even longer than tracker | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | morins, idiots, err <missing the words...> | 14:52 |
| RST38h | usability is seriously outdated | 14:52 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer for prez!11111 | 14:53 |
| RST38h | besides, you cannot trust users name files with meaningful names | 14:53 |
| RST38h | so, you cannot expect them to find their files, without tracker that is! | 14:53 |
| * Arif_ found an old 1GB microSD from a Nokia 6720 too | 14:53 | |
| Scelt | Arif_: when pr1.2 comes out? | 14:53 |
| Arif_ | Scelt, what? | 14:54 |
| Arif_ | :p | 14:54 |
| Scelt | yeah | 14:54 |
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| Scelt | you are so active, you might know | 14:54 |
| Arif_ | PR1.2 is a myth | 14:54 |
| Anss| | sparql is also pretty nice language that comes with tracker. | 14:54 |
| lardman | and what are the lottery numbers for this weekend while you're predicting the future? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ Scelt -- | 14:54 |
| Scelt | ~ DocScrutinizer -- | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | spargel? | 14:55 |
| Khertan | Scelt: First June 2011 | 14:55 |
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| Anss| | nice sparql tutorial: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2009/07/14/introduction-to-rdf-and-sparql | 14:55 |
| Scelt | Khertan: Are there more than one June? | 14:55 |
| Khertan | lardman: 15 - 6 - 45 - 42 -8 -33 | 14:55 |
| pvanhoof | Anss|, np | 14:55 |
| lardman | thanks Khertan ;) | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | asparagus indexerensus | 14:56 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: legraps? | 14:56 |
| Khertan | lardman: now the question is ... which lottery is it :) | 14:56 |
| jaska | grl apes | 14:56 |
| pvanhoof | Anss|, http://blog.floopily.org/2010/03/01/rdf-beginners-guide-and-competition/ | 14:56 |
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| Anss| | pvanhoof, thanks. looks very good! | 14:58 |
| pvanhoof | enjoy | 14:59 |
| pvanhoof | Anss|, that blog post is by robtaylor (also on this chan) | 14:59 |
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| thenktor | hi | 14:59 |
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| thenktor | does the new meamo PR 1.2 support ogg vorbis playback out of the box on the n900? | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | doubt it | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | you can install easily though | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""the prize is a Google Nexus One"" muhahahaha | 15:01 |
| thenktor | just some vorbis codec or a new media player? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | codec | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the winner of the "coolest indexer usecase" contest deserves this prize | 15:02 |
| Arif_ | what stops you from installing ogg support | 15:02 |
| thenktor | and will this make use of the DSP or will it be decoded by the CPU then? | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thenktor: that's a good question | 15:03 |
| thenktor | :) | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | thenktor: noone developed sane dsp vorbis yet i think | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if my device wasn't laying on my desk, in pieces, I'd try to find out using playback of a .ogg and scrutinizing powertop | 15:05 |
| Arif_ | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 15:05 |
| Arif_ | ? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | Anss: I do not want a nice language that comes with the tracker. I want the tracker to stop wasting system resources. | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Anss: And I also want to be able to select a bunch of files to play in audio player | 15:06 |
| thenktor | thanks Arif_, reading that | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Anss: Absolutely no (as in 0) interest in whatever information tracker collects | 15:06 |
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| derf | What RST38h said. | 15:08 |
| madduck | can i obex-send vcards to the n900? none of the bluetooth channels seem to work. :( | 15:08 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 15:11 |
| Arif_ | Android did what Maemo should do | 15:11 |
| Arif_ | making parts of the OS downloadable \o/ | 15:11 |
| MiXu- | with what? | 15:11 |
| MiXu- | k | 15:11 |
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| thenktor | another question: how do i sync my contacts from a linux pc to the n900 and vice versa? | 15:18 |
| MiXu- | syncml <3 | 15:19 |
| madduck | MiXu-: how? | 15:19 |
| MiXu- | There's syncevolution in extras-testing | 15:19 |
| madduck | oh, but that requires evolution, right? | 15:19 |
| madduck | i might just as well use outlook then. ;) | 15:19 |
| thenktor | is it possible to sync with kontact or clawas-mail | 15:19 |
| MiXu- | Yes. You can use outlook as well. | 15:19 |
| madduck | i want to sync with a directory of vcards | 15:20 |
| Arif_ | outlook on linux? | 15:20 |
| MiXu- | I don't know about the linux side. | 15:20 |
| MiXu- | I use funambol server | 15:20 |
| MiXu- | But surely there's syncml software for linux | 15:20 |
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| thenktor | i'm reading about OpenSync | 15:21 |
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| gouverneur | thenktor: syncml and multisync should do the job | 15:22 |
| Arif_ | oo | 15:23 |
| Arif_ | a new iPhone | 15:23 |
| thenktor | wikipedia: Generally, devices supporting SyncML 1.1 or 1.2 over Bluetooth, USB, or IP-protocol are supported. Nokia 770, N800, and N810 Internet Tablets using GPE suite are supported. | 15:23 |
| gouverneur | thenktor: I just save a backup of my contacts | 15:23 |
| thenktor | export and import vCards? | 15:23 |
| gouverneur | so no real syncing | 15:24 |
| gouverneur | just export | 15:24 |
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| hrw | thenktor: "using GPE suite" is major thing | 15:24 |
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| thenktor | hrw: you mean like major = complicated? | 15:26 |
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| hrw | thenktor: gpe never used data from maemo pim (contacts on 770/n8x0, contacts+calendar on n900) | 15:29 |
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| hrw | thenktor: so syncing to GPE does not give you data in native maemo apps | 15:30 |
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| thenktor | ok, understand | 15:30 |
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| madduck | unless you use opensync between them | 15:30 |
| gouverneur | thenktor: looked at funambol yet? | 15:32 |
| madduck | funambol server is a whorepile of code | 15:32 |
| madduck | and it's non-free, isn't it? | 15:32 |
| RichardP | is the browser on the N900 HTML5 compliant? | 15:32 |
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| thenktor | gouverneur: not yet.. just want to collect some information. don't have a smartphone yet | 15:33 |
| thenktor | and i don't know yet if i should go for motorola milestone or nokia n900 :-D | 15:33 |
| gouverneur | madduck: GNU Affero General Public License v3 (AGPLv3) | 15:33 |
| jaska | i was looking at a milestone too.. but seems that its more closed than its us counterpart "droid" | 15:34 |
| gouverneur | thenktor: are you aware of the still worse firmware support of motorola? | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: | 15:34 |
| jaska | signed-only firmware so its a no-go | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | gah | 15:34 |
| thenktor | yes :) | 15:34 |
| tekojo | DocScrutinizer? | 15:35 |
| madduck | okay, but it's java and comes as a GIGANTIC .bin file | 15:35 |
| raster | yay! signed firmware! | 15:35 |
| madduck | i don't consider that maintainable | 15:35 |
| gouverneur | madduck: true | 15:35 |
| * jaska sticks with his oddball winmo phone + n810 combo :) | 15:35 | |
| raster | keep all those pesky open source hackers out | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | thenktor: milestone is *closed* afaik. crypted bootloader only loading signed kernels, so it's locked like iPhone | 15:35 |
| raster | :) | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: sorry | 15:35 |
| madduck | heck, i am failing just to send a contact to or from the n900 | 15:35 |
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| thenktor | but i don't want an open phone on all costs, i want a good usable one, which means: i need some features working | 15:36 |
| gouverneur | madduck: thats why I sync with outlook at office, not to use it just for backup, and gets rsynced to my homecomputer too | 15:36 |
| madduck | gouverneur: outlook is definitely not an option | 15:37 |
| thenktor | i have no windows, so no outlook... | 15:38 |
| Arif_ | you could whine about Google sync being fixed and use that | 15:38 |
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| gouverneur | madduck: happend to me, none of my sony-e exported contacts would get recognized valid, not uploaded not send via BT nothing | 15:39 |
| gouverneur | Arif_: the day will come I have to do that but as long as I am not forced I wont give google my PIM | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.memotoo.com/wiki/Sync_Maemo_5_/_Nokia_N900 | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://osdir.com/ml/kde-pim/2010-02/msg00051.html | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/59099 | 15:41 |
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| madduck | gouverneur: and how does one fix it? ;) | 15:41 |
| gouverneur | madduck: I left the windows which was shipped with my netbook on the device, and synced with the windows addressbook | 15:41 |
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| gouverneur | madduck: so sony -> win-Abook -> copy&paste ->PCsuite | 15:42 |
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| gouverneur | I just wanted the damn contacts moved | 15:42 |
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| Arif_ | I took all PIM over from my N95 | 15:43 |
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| gouverneur | I am still angry at nokia not serving a proper suite for linux, open source of course | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: ack | 15:44 |
| Arif_ | for linux AND open source? | 15:44 |
| gouverneur | and leaving out any sync options apart of pcsuite isnt nice at all | 15:44 |
| Arif_ | you can wait a long time for that ;) | 15:44 |
| gouverneur | Arif_: YES | 15:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | grsync - what more do you want? | 15:45 |
| Arif_ | PC suite doesn't work properly for the N900 anyway | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:45 |
| Arif_ | you're not missing much :> | 15:45 |
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| gouverneur | well I does not have to be open from core but all interfaces should be documented and there to be used | 15:45 |
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| gouverneur | a proper cli to interface the damn stuff? | 15:46 |
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| gouverneur | s/I/it/ | 15:46 |
| Shapeshifter | why not open source | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems for Kontact "syncing" to /.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf is the easiest way to implement something semi-working. Possibly via a script | 15:47 |
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| Arkenklo | sorry for being a lazy fuck who caren't to do proper research, but has there been any legit and official information on wether or not the n900 will get meego? | 15:51 |
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| Arkenklo | as in, company announcements or similar | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 15:52 |
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| Arkenklo | huh | 15:52 |
| Arkenklo | well, thank you | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there've been statements (semi-official iirc) regarding N900 being the reference platform for meego implementation. Thi doesn't mean there'll ever ship a consumer grade meego for N900 from Nokia | 15:54 |
| auenf | doesnt confirm or deny consumer grade meego for n900 | 15:55 |
| Arkenklo | I understand | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant, yeah | 15:55 |
| auenf | if nokia doesnt provide it, the community is almost guaranteed to give it a red hot go | 15:56 |
| Arkenklo | so meego at a dev level is pretty likely then | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 15:56 |
| auenf | try to use early versions of mer on a n8x0, thats probably what meego is going to be like ;) | 15:58 |
| * C-S-B-N900 is sat in a car waiting for his gf to finish her interview. | 15:58 | |
| gouverneur | auenf: not that bad... *sigh* | 15:59 |
| auenf | maybe you're thinking far too early mer then ;) | 15:59 |
| gouverneur | Arkenklo: N900 is nokia's meego-development-reference 1.0 | 15:59 |
| gouverneur | doesn't give any clue about if there will be any UX be implemented | 16:00 |
| Arkenklo | I've got the impression that meego with be basically maemo 5 but compatible with what ever it is intel is doing | 16:00 |
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| nidO | Arkenklo I think a more accurate likeness is moblin but with arm and qt support | 16:02 |
| gouverneur | nidO: true | 16:02 |
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| gouverneur | the harmattan will be a maemo6-meego afaik but that will be the last with apt-get install $world | 16:03 |
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| Ikarus | hey, setting up the Maemo devkit for Debian following the instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation fails for armel with some packages their post-install running into: 'mmap: Operation not permitted' | 16:19 |
| Ikarus | now iirc this is a qemu issue | 16:20 |
| Ikarus | however, I don't remember the fix | 16:20 |
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| Ikarus | hrm, and some guy named jafd had exactly the same issue 2 months ago +/- | 16:23 |
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| joker_891 | hi | 16:24 |
| joker_891 | anyone knows how works a syncrhoniation? | 16:24 |
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| * Arif_ smirks | 16:25 | |
| Ikarus | ah, doh | 16:26 |
| Ikarus | vm.mmap_min_addr=0 | 16:26 |
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| marcus__ | Getting my n900 tomorrow (hopefully) what would you suggest I do first? Update firmware imediatly? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:27 |
| andre__ | yes. | 16:27 |
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| marcus__ | Goodie. | 16:27 |
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| marcus__ | Does it require a 12h charge like some other phones? | 16:28 |
| lcuk | marcus__, i suggest taking it out of the box first | 16:28 |
| marcus__ | lcuk: Doesn't that require some nifty tools? | 16:28 |
| hrw | and put battery inside too | 16:28 |
| Arif_ | yes | 16:28 |
| Arif_ | hands! | 16:28 |
| lcuk | yes marcus__ you need root | 16:28 |
| marcus__ | :p | 16:29 |
| lardman | marcus__: it will come partly charged, but best to charge it too, though 12h sounds rather long to me | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 2h is plenty | 16:29 |
| marcus__ | lardman: Can't remember if my w810i was recommended to have a 12h charge the first time or something like that. | 16:29 |
| Arif_ | marcus__, 1998 called. they want their batteries back :( | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (wall charger) | 16:29 |
| lardman | marcus__: yeah they all do that, but li-ions come part charged anyway | 16:29 |
| marcus__ | SpeedEvil: Some phones recommend a long charge for first one | 16:29 |
| marcus__ | lardman: Ah nice, goodie (: | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | many manuals copy from another manujal. | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | with no input from ee. | 16:30 |
| lardman | marcus__: just plug in the wall charger while you fiddle with it, then you'll probably be good for the rest of the day | 16:31 |
| * marcus__ giggles by the " | 16:31 | |
| marcus__ | Thats like saying why be with a fit blonde lady when you can have any old hag cause it works just as good" comment on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=586585 | 16:31 |
| marcus__ | oups | 16:31 |
| marcus__ | :p | 16:31 |
| marcus__ | fail | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | the most lolworthy bit in a manual was the recent ibm thinkpad manual. | 16:31 |
| marcus__ | lardman: Good. Can't wait to boot it up ._. | 16:31 |
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| Arif_ | what did it say? | 16:31 |
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| * marcus__ loves his ThinkPad R61 | 16:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | It cautioned against lifting heavy items, ties getting caught in machinery, and the dangers of rotary converters. | 16:32 |
| Arif_ | lol | 16:32 |
| Arif_ | did they copy from a 1980 computer or something? | 16:33 |
| marcus__ | "Do not eat toner." -- On a toner cartridge for a laser printer. | 16:33 |
| marcus__ | Rofl | 16:33 |
| marcus__ | "May irritate eyes." -- On a can of self-defense pepper spray. | 16:33 |
| jaska | :D | 16:33 |
| Arif_ | "don't hold upside down" was written on the bottom of a soda can... | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | long charge on first use was for another type of cells | 16:33 |
| marcus__ | DocScrutinizer: So no need for it on the n900? (: | 16:34 |
| Arif_ | when was the last time you saw a NiMH battery in a phone? | 16:34 |
| Arif_ | :o | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcus__: exactly | 16:34 |
| * mgedmin bought two back in 2000 | 16:34 | |
| Arif_ | did you charge them for 12 hours? | 16:34 |
| marcus__ | Arif_: me, or? :P | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | mgedmin :> | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | they were on sale | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | 1200 mAh | 16:35 |
| mgedmin | for 10 DKK | 16:35 |
| Arif_ | wow | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcus__: I suggest you insert battery, hook up wallcharger, and start playing with your new shiny device. This will take an hor or two, and then you're safe even for complete new flash, though you probably don't need to, to get newest OS version | 16:36 |
| Arif_ | 1.30 eur | 16:36 |
| Arif_ | :D | 16:36 |
| marcus__ | DocScrutinizer: You think the newest is preinstalled? o.o | 16:37 |
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| mgedmin | heh, I saw the cashier ringing them in: 630 DKK with a 610 DKK discount ;) | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcus__: I think it will upgrade via usual application manager install | 16:37 |
| lardman | bbl | 16:37 |
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| marcus__ | DocScrutinizer: Okay (: | 16:38 |
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| marcus__ | "Please keep out of children." -- On a butcher knife. | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:38 |
| marcus__ | :P | 16:38 |
| Arif_ | "do not use to heat animals"... | 16:39 |
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| Arif_ | who puts an animal in a microwave anyway? | 16:39 |
| TomaszD | there's a lawsuit behind each and every of these | 16:39 |
| marcus__ | aye. | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: wtf? I like my steak medium | 16:40 |
| TomaszD | might have been an urban legend, but there was a lady who put her wet cat in the microwave | 16:40 |
| Arif_ | microwaves ruin whateer you put into them anyway ;( | 16:40 |
| TomaszD | the cat got thoroughly ruined, yes | 16:40 |
| Arif_ | :P | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my coffee water isn't ruined | 16:41 |
| marcus__ | TomaszD: Heard the exact same thing once. | 16:41 |
| TomaszD | I can't be bothered to check the authenticity, probably on snopes.com | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | but last week it jumped out of the glas ;-P | 16:41 |
| Arif_ | have you tried putting an egg into that water and then heating it up? :p | 16:41 |
| marcus__ | "Beware! To touch these wires is instant death. Anyone found doing so will be prosecuted." -- On a sign at a railroad station. | 16:41 |
| marcus__ | ._. | 16:42 |
| Arif_ | lol | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: nope. plain water in a glas | 16:42 |
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| FIQ | prosecuted? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: missing the teaspoon. Delayed boiling | 16:42 |
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| mgedmin | I saw a version with a "$100 fine." | 16:42 |
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| Arif_ | I saw a sign once that said "do no urinate against the electric fence" :P | 16:43 |
| marcus__ | must've been wise men who wrote that | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: fuff and half the water was equaly spreaded all over the inside of my microwave | 16:43 |
| marcus__ | (: | 16:43 |
| Arif_ | heh | 16:43 |
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| Arif_ | I once forgot an egg | 16:43 |
| Arif_ | the micorwave didn't like that... | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | the microwave didn't care, but the egg didn't like that I guess | 16:44 |
| marcus__ | "Warning! This is not underwear! Do not attempt to put in pants." -- On the packaging for a wristwatch. | 16:44 |
| marcus__ | wise words. | 16:44 |
| Arif_ | ... | 16:44 |
| Arif_ | what? | 16:44 |
| marcus__ | dunno o.o | 16:44 |
| marcus__ | where is the lawsuit behind that? :p | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt I like to know | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i like the clothes with labels that say stuff like "wash at 40deg with light cottons only, or hand to your mum" | 16:45 |
| hrw | nice ;D | 16:45 |
| marcus__ | i usually do option 2. | 16:45 |
| Arif_ | "Do not use if you cannot see clearly to read the information in the information booklet." | 16:46 |
| Arif_ | =D | 16:46 |
| * SpeedEvil washes _everything_ at 40c | 16:46 | |
| marcus__ | BTW, what case can you recommend for a n900? | 16:46 |
| Arif_ | get one the N900 fits it | 16:46 |
| lcuk | http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-01/washing-instruction-lable-give-to-mom.jpg | 16:46 |
| Arif_ | preferably with no magnet | 16:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 16:46 | |
| marcus__ | "IT'S HER JOB" | 16:47 |
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| MiXu- | marcus: I use pockets. :) | 16:47 |
| nidO | magnets are fine as long as they arent in the bottom right corner as you look at the device in landscape | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: actually my magnets in pouch didn't do any bad yet | 16:47 |
| nidO | what sort of case are you after, leather? | 16:47 |
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| MiXu- | nidO: What's in the bottom right corner then? | 16:48 |
| marcus__ | nid0: Uhm, probably the most protective one. not one I only use for carrying, but for use. | 16:48 |
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| marcus__ | if that is even possible. | 16:48 |
| nidO | MiXu-: the sensor for the keyboard slider, which is magnetic | 16:48 |
| * marcus__ remembers the n900 keyboard | 16:48 | |
| MiXu- | nidO: Oh, ok. | 16:48 |
| MiXu- | Actually the back cover sensor is also magnetic | 16:48 |
| nidO | marcus__ there are cases that allow you to slide open the device and use it while in the case, i've found em all to be a bit lame though | 16:49 |
| nidO | it is, but it's the keyboard slider that gets triggered | 16:49 |
| nidO | we tested this properly a week or two ago | 16:49 |
| marcus__ | nid0: So you're only using one for carrying? | 16:49 |
| nidO | yep | 16:49 |
| Arkenklo | the camera-lid-thingy isn't magnetic | 16:49 |
| MiXu- | I only have a protective film on the display. I find that sufficient. | 16:49 |
| marcus__ | nid0: What are you recommending then? (: | 16:49 |
| nidO | I have a http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280476080517 - bought it originally just to have temporarily until I could get an easecase made and shipped | 16:49 |
| marcus__ | Aha | 16:50 |
| nidO | but when it arrived it turned out to be really excellent quality, despite the tiny price, so ended up sticking with it | 16:50 |
| ech0Asus | i dont understand why they made a camera button and a camera lid because when u slide the lid open it launches the camera and that is a required step to take a picture or record video with it.... | 16:50 |
| lcuk | cos it would be pretty annoying to have to slide the cover every time you wanted to take a pic | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | lcuk, do you mean that you take pictures with the cover closed? | 16:51 |
| ech0Asus | i guess so u dont touch the screen when taking a picture.... | 16:51 |
| MiXu- | nope | 16:51 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, sure, why not :D | 16:51 |
| MiXu- | more convenient to use the device like a regular camera | 16:51 |
| lcuk | it wouldnt be the first time | 16:51 |
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| marcus__ | BTW: What do you get in the n900 box? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | marcus__: I got me 2 identical pouches with belt latch, at next import/export all-kinds-of-shit turkish shop | 16:52 |
| MiXu- | That reminds me. I took one picture of the eiffel tower when I was in Paris. And the camera carrying string is in the way :D | 16:52 |
| marcus__ | What hardware etc | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5EUR each | 16:52 |
| ech0Asus | at least it has multiple purposes now that i've installed that app that allows me to use it's gentle touch for the alt tab thing.. | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | you can open the shutter at any time, and the camera ui statrts | 16:52 |
| nidO | n900, battery, cleaning cloth, wall charger, adaptor for older chargers, data cable | 16:52 |
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| marcus__ | DocScrutinizer: Heh, ok :P Kinda hard to find any providers in denmark. Guess I havent searched enough yet. | 16:52 |
| marcus__ | nid0: What about the AV cable? | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | and the shutter stops fingerprints or scatches | 16:52 |
| nidO | ah and the av cable. | 16:53 |
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| ech0Asus | i'd rather it be disabled and used for other things all together unless in the camera app... could use it for a light touch and hard touch short cut when outside of the camera app... | 16:53 |
| Arkenklo | ech0Asus: install shortcutd | 16:53 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | thatll hijack the camera key for something else. | 16:54 |
| Arif_ | you also get a headset! | 16:54 |
| ech0Asus | i don't like the headset thing lol | 16:54 |
| Arif_ | yeah it kinda sucks ;> | 16:54 |
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| MiXu- | Yes it does... The buggers won't stay in my ears. | 16:54 |
| ech0Asus | it's ok if your really bored and want to listen to the radio lol | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/kinda/massively | 16:55 |
| joker_891 | how works a sincronization? | 16:55 |
| MiXu- | Fine, thank you. ;) | 16:55 |
| Arif_ | MiXu-, have you tried all tips? | 16:55 |
| marcus__ | what about carrying the n900 around in an old sock? :D | 16:55 |
| MiXu- | Arif_: yes | 16:55 |
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| marcus__ | would be nice looking (: | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | marcus__, wash first | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | i carry it in my pocket and am sure to have nothing else in that pocket lol | 16:56 |
| marcus__ | SpeedEvil: Aaah, it'll keep the thieves away! | 16:56 |
| ech0Asus | like.. no keys in that pocket.. haha | 16:56 |
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| Arkenklo | I've got this nice kind of pouch built in my pants | 16:56 |
| Arif_ | I have it dangling around my neck | 16:56 |
| Arkenklo | one on each side | 16:56 |
| nidO | ill just carry on dreaming of the day more manufactures wise up and use gorilla glass, and kill all the crap about screen protectors, cases, and not carrying keys in the same pocket | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, I need to scan a PCB now | 16:57 |
| MiXu- | resistive displays don't go too good together with glass ;) | 16:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 16:57 | |
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| * marcus__ waves back | 16:57 | |
| Arif_ | nidO, stop killing 2 markets in one go | 16:57 |
| nidO | 3, itll kill the market for replacement screens too | 16:57 |
| Arif_ | just because you want a good screen doesn't mean all those people should go find a new job :P | 16:58 |
| nidO | 4, if you count the market for crappy plastic / weak glass display covers | 16:58 |
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| nidO | on the plus side, there might be more work for blender manufacutres when someone tries a "will it blend?" on a gorilla-glass device and destroys their blender blades | 16:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | gorilla glass is far from indestructable | 17:00 |
| nidO | its far from it, but it's far far closer to it than any other plastic or glass screen cover available | 17:01 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025665.html | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: pong. | 17:04 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Trying to highlight a conversation that was had here yesterday morning about extras-devel and "Tuner" getting wrong deps | 17:04 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Basically we are giving developers early access to the SDK through the builder. | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | But with that comes the issue that it doesn't run on older versions. | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | Now extras-devel is expected to be unstable and run against the lastest and greatest, but this seems to be not what people expect. | 17:06 |
| * mgedmin thinks people are fine with latest, provided they can get it | 17:06 | |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Yes, understand all that. | 17:06 |
| hrw | X-Fade: people rather expect to be able to use built packages on device | 17:06 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: The problem here seems to be that the "fremantle" extras-devel is being fed from the PR1.2 SDK. | 17:07 |
| hrw | but so far we have to wait for november | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: There is nothing I can do about that now, because there is no fremantle-1.2 extras-devel. | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Whereas from the plan you outlined in February, I'd only expect "fremantle-1.2" to be being updated | 17:07 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Only extras in this case. | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Oh. | 17:07 |
| hrw | bb in few | 17:07 |
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| X-Fade | Which is the actual end-user repo. | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed. | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: And can people still promote from -devel to -testing? | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | I hoped that with putting PR1.2 on the builder, this would give developers the opportunity to get their modified app to Extras around PR release. | 17:08 |
| ech0Asus | :) | 17:08 |
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| ech0Asus | love this community | 17:08 |
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| X-Fade | There is an issue with promotion atm as it still sees the 'old' snapshot of the firmware image. | 17:09 |
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| X-Fade | I need to update that with packages from the PR1.2 firmware. | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: No, but if promotion is still enabled, does *that* go into the fremantle-1.2 component of -testing? | 17:10 |
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| X-Fade | devel and testing are basically 'trunk' ;) | 17:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo alls :D | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | With promotion from -testing to extras, I look at the compilation date, so I know which SDK is the minimal one. | 17:11 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, I'm writing a mail to clarify this. Can I say that your initial plan and your enaction wasn't fully clear as to the consequences ;-) | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | So promotions of 'old' apps go to both fremantle and fremantle-1.2 | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm doing the same. | 17:11 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone celever able to help? trying to find out all the possible outcomes for - /proc/bootreason (ie 32wd_to) 0 and a description? | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: it seems that trying to do good backfired a bit. | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: As I wrote somewhere, I did not have the resources or the time to create to separate repos with QA etc. | 17:12 |
| LaraSnak | test... | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | And that would be even more frustrating and confusing ;) | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Very possibly :-) | 17:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | x-fade needs some maemo sponsored monkey butlers to help him out ;) | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say clones of x-fade would do, too | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: That's why good clear explicit comms "What's happening" "what it means to you" is usually a lot cheaper ;-) | 17:13 |
| noobmonk3y | close enough Stskeeps ;) | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I'm looking at a libhildon hack to see if we can 'hack' around the hildon issue. | 17:13 |
| noobmonk3y | LaraSnak: test worked... possibly lol | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll hold off my mail then until I see yours, if you're doing one. No point overcomplicating the situation | 17:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Mention that in your mail, too ;-) | 17:13 |
| LaraSnak | noobmonk3y: in the topic it says I have to register but I guess not | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | If people don't use livesearch, then it should be backwards compatible. | 17:14 |
| noobmonk3y | LaraSnak: it winges every so often at you if you dont | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | But the best thing that can happen is a release of PR1.2 ;) | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | soon | 17:14 |
| LaraSnak | huh? | 17:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | LaraSnak: i found 1 day i could post in here fine, the next day, when not registered it blocked me from talking in here :( | 17:14 |
| LaraSnak | noobmonk3y: it happens in other channels I want to type in too but I don't want to register | 17:15 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, anyone? trying to find out the possible /proc/bootreason outcomes? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: err, lifesearch? HAM is telling me there's an update for Tuner app, but has broken dependencies | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | livesearch even. | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Those are new symbols, the cause of the libhildon version bump. | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, the libhildon's been specified too tightly. | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: and release of 1.2 won't exactly help that issue, as you still will see people using 1.1.1 and prev, for whatever reason | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: As said, -devel and testing should really run against latest. | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | End users should use extras, which will have a separate fremantle-1.2 repo. | 17:17 |
| noobmonk3y | OoOooooOOooo | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | In the future we might want to look at what is the actual lowest firmware version that is required for an app to run, but that really needs AM changes. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | And that is something Nokia needs to fix on their end. | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well for now devel and testing are borked, as devels can't use them to test updates of their pkg on the real platform | 17:19 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: it rather require implementing use of dpkg-gensymbols | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, working dpkg-gensymbols may actually break more things than making them work | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, that is unfortunate. There are some people willing to test with PR1.2 devices of course, but yeah. | 17:20 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: my-repo-is-better-then-your from 770 times will arrive soon? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | i encountered gstreamer where a broken gensymbols would make it run just fine, but a real one would make build fail | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | hrw: I'm going to setup an expermental build queue to see if we can make these symbols work, but it is quite complicated. | 17:20 |
| hrw | X-Fade: and please - lintian!!! | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: You can test updates in Scratchbox, of course... | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | hrw, could ask jeremiah where maemian is | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I know. but what's the use of THAT? | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Better than not being able to test at all; or being horrified when PR1.2 lands and your app is broken... | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: There's little point complaining now. We can do a lessons learned once the dust settles if that'll help | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | hrw: I would like to do lintian tests, but people are already telling us that it is too complicated. | 17:22 |
| * RST38h preemptively facepalms | 17:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I thought you do testing in scratchbox anyway, as devel. No need for a repo | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Now that we change the default distribution to fremantle-1.2 in PR1.2, we can do a bit better in the future if we want. | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Why? One magic string is the same as any other, isn't it? | 17:23 |
| RichardP | just ordered my N900 \o/ | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | Yes, for end-users this should be an invisible thing. | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Facepalm all you want, but there's no point trying to blame the way out of the situation now. Understanding and mitigation (whether through comms, or libhildon hackery) is more important. | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | I'm thinking that we might be able to do the same for devel etc, but we would need to think what to do with the interface on top. | 17:25 |
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| X-Fade | Anyway, tracking different firmwares gets complicated fast. | 17:26 |
| Klowner | bah, the root on my n900 filled up overnight and now I can't delete anything from it, says it's read-only but it's clearly mounted rw :[ | 17:26 |
| hrw | that reminds Chinook->Diablo time | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | The problem is that an SSU is basically a dist upgrade every time. | 17:26 |
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| hrw | thats because of straight connections mostly | 17:27 |
| evilrob | so in media player, I have 3 CDs by 3 different artists that all show up as "Various" in the Artist listing. The id3 tag appears correct ("Blues Traveler" in one case) I've blown away the tracker data and restarted tracker (and the N900) and after a few minutes tracker re-populated the data, but it still as these 3 listed as "Various". ideas? | 17:27 |
| derf | Klowner: Check dmesg. If there's a kernel panic, it will make the fs ro. | 17:27 |
| Klowner | derf: not that I can see, just UBIFS errors, "cannot budget space", "cannot reserve 400 bytes" stuff | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: doesn't a kernel panic make the whole device r/o ? ;-P | 17:29 |
| derf | DocScrutinizer: I mean one in the fs driver, specifically. | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in "doesn't take any more input" | 17:29 |
| Klowner | I suppose I could attempt rebooting and if that fails I'll reflash | 17:29 |
| derf | If you reboot with the device full, it will reboot loop. | 17:29 |
| Klowner | eeh | 17:29 |
| derf | So get anything you want to save off of it now. | 17:30 |
| derf | Because a reflash is probably inevitable. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-/ | 17:30 |
| Klowner | alrighty | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though boot tends to free some MB frequently | 17:31 |
| Klowner | I don't have to go anywhere for a few hours so reflash won't kill me | 17:31 |
| Klowner | so long as I don't brick anything | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reflash takes seconds, not hours :-D | 17:31 |
| madduck | it just cannot be that the n900 has no "OBEX File Transfer" bluetooth channel | 17:31 |
| Klowner | well, I have to download the image :) | 17:31 |
| madduck | only an OBEX push server and a file transfer server | 17:32 |
| Klowner | madduck: install Petrovich | 17:32 |
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| Klowner | or.. are you speaking of something else | 17:32 |
| madduck | it is installed, Klowner | 17:32 |
| madduck | Klowner: I want to be able to send vcards to the device | 17:32 |
| Klowner | ah | 17:32 |
| trem | someone has tried syncevolution ? | 17:32 |
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| trem | seems that support for maemo has been added | 17:32 |
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| * noobmonk3y ponders /proc/bootreason .... grrr | 17:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | trem: check this chan backscroll. I posted 3 URL some time ago | 17:33 |
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| madduck | i can receive vcards on channel 9, but then the n900 wants to save them; how can I just let it import them? | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: you don't have cmdline execution widget with bootreason?? | 17:34 |
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| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: No... trying to figure out what types of bootreason there are - no descriptions anywhere i can find though | 17:34 |
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| noobmonk3y | know off two - but not official descriptions for them | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea | 17:35 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :( - no idea here too - tis annoying as i'm assuming other linux's have em too? | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | madduck: good question. if you find out, tell me please | 17:36 |
| madduck | DocScrutinizer: if you open it after save (checkbox ticked), it'll try the import, but it insists on saving it first. | 17:36 |
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| nidO | I believe bootreason is specific to maemo | 17:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhh and being specific ... the documentation would be in someone's head ... :D | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia obviously wasn't bothered to document maemo specific things too much | 17:38 |
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| Klowner | hopefully I don't have to flash the eMMC as well | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: unlikely | 17:38 |
| noobmonk3y | kinda annoying for anyone who actually wants to transdlate maemo into english for normal users ;) | 17:38 |
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| Klowner | DocScrutinizer: all my contacts and junk are on the eMMC aren't they? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | should, mostly. Do a backup using backup app though | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's pretty good | 17:39 |
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| Klowner | see if that works with the read only issue | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | should :-S | 17:40 |
| Klowner | ah yep, it's going | 17:40 |
| Klowner | to my microsd, good | 17:40 |
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| madduck | if obexftp cannot send files to the n900, what else can? | 17:41 |
| madduck | blueman-applet can, but I want a CLI | 17:41 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y to my knowledge there're basically 3 bootreasons, pwr_key, sw_rst, and 32wd_to | 17:41 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa yay | 17:41 |
| madduck | and I cannot figure out what blueman-applet does differently than using OBEX | 17:41 |
| nidO | and the latter two of the three basically mean something's buggered | 17:41 |
| noobmonk3y | an answer! | 17:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes notice to himself to add scheduled backup to alarmed | 17:41 | |
| noobmonk3y | yeah thought so ;) | 17:42 |
| noobmonk3y | i think it normally relates to boot count the third one | 17:42 |
| noobmonk3y | above 32 and it goes screwiw | 17:42 |
| noobmonk3y | screwie* | 17:42 |
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| noobmonk3y | that makes sense with the number too ;) | 17:42 |
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| nidO | I vaguely recall that 32wd_to reasons shouldnt occur any more, as the reason is left over from standard nix reboot monitoring and is a bit dumb to have on maemo | 17:43 |
| nidO | and was patched in 1.1 | 17:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | apart from the guys posting about it this week ;) lol | 17:43 |
| noobmonk3y | (on 1.1.1 supposedly) | 17:43 |
| noobmonk3y | but i dont belive everything i read lol | 17:44 |
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| Klowner | stupid question, but what's the difference between the USA and Global firmware? | 17:44 |
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| nidO | nothing that anyone can see | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: ohh? I got it watchdog timeout still may occur on whatever daemon barfing chunks | 17:45 |
| Klowner | strange | 17:45 |
| Klowner | I suppose global wouldn't hurt me then? | 17:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | Klowner: nope, i used the global fine - was uk specific | 17:45 |
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| Klowner | noobmonk3y: alrighty, I'll give global a shot | 17:46 |
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| madduck | Klowner: global and US have different wireless firmwares, I think, due to frequency differences | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: and issueing a 'shutdown -r now' will also trigger | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^w cause sw_rst | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 17:48 |
| madduck | so does the n900 do activesync/synce? | 17:48 |
| trem | DocScrutinizer: those tut are for sync N900 with memotoo, can I sync my N900 with a PC (evolution, thunderbird, .....) ? | 17:48 |
| corecode | so considering that the calendar is closed source | 17:49 |
| ech0Asus | shredder is nice :) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | evolution is explicitly mentioned in one of the threads I posted the URLs | 17:49 |
| corecode | would it be useful for a team to implement an open source calendar? | 17:49 |
| Klowner | so I suppose I'll attempt a reboot and see if that causes it to repeatedly flip out OR suddenly become normal | 17:50 |
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| madduck | corecode: of course, and especially if it was done properly, i.e. as a library and a plugin architecture, with a flexible, synchronisable data store (maybe even remind!), and UIs using the functionality of the library | 17:50 |
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| Klowner | if flipping out occurs, I shall reflash the fiasco/rootfs | 17:50 |
| madduck | corecode: just don't implement it all in a GUI! | 17:50 |
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| nidO | ah DocScrutinizer just tracked down the exact issue I was recalling - 32wd_to reboots were adding 3 to the reboot count rather than 1, and would brick the device once the reboot count got to 50 without a clean shutdown + boot | 17:51 |
| nidO | so all the pre-1.1 random reboots were bricking devices which has now been fixed, but yea 32wd_to reboots themselves will still happen | 17:51 |
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| corecode | madduck: clearly the gui would have to use a library, or at least provide an interface | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: and I've seen this 3boots isssue some 4 days ago, when device rebotted in usb-insert | 17:52 |
| Klowner | unless there's a chance of me bricking the device by risking a reboot loop, in which case I'd attempt flashing right away. | 17:52 |
| madduck | corecode: the interface code should be as thin as possible; all functionality should be in the library | 17:53 |
| corecode | madduck: fair enough | 17:53 |
| madduck | corecode: and the backend store should be standard, e.g. either remind or vevent | 17:53 |
| nidO | DocScrutinizer: they may have fixed it by just removing or increasing the 50 boot max limit, rather than actually correcting it adding 3 boots per boot | 17:53 |
| corecode | madduck: however guis are the hard part, usually | 17:53 |
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| corecode | madduck: i don't mind the store format as long as the library can interface | 17:54 |
| madduck | corecode: yes, and I usually let others do them and concentrate on the core | 17:54 |
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| ShadowJK | thenktor, mp3 decoding is not on dsp either on n900 | 17:54 |
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| madduck | corecode: standards for store formats have so many advantages! | 17:54 |
| Klowner | if anyone more knowledgable than myself can reaffirm me in attempting to turn the device back on with a full rootfs I would be more grateful | 17:55 |
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| nidO | it might work, it might fail, or it might rebootloop | 17:55 |
| nidO | may as well try it, you can reflash it regardless | 17:56 |
| Klowner | as long as rebootloop != brick | 17:56 |
| Klowner | I can still reflash fine with rebootloop? | 17:56 |
| nidO | yep | 17:56 |
| Klowner | aight, here goes | 17:56 |
| Klowner | thank you nidO | 17:56 |
| Klowner | hands.. desktop | 17:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer dreams of a generic pim-object, consisting of contact details, a schedule/alarm, an actionspecifier ("call"|"meeting"|"switch profile"|...), a general field for notes and/or refs to project files (e.g. drawing, media), priority-of-task... | 17:58 | |
| Klowner | apt-get clean and I now have 20MB left on root, yippee | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Klowner: Ubifs garbage collection runs on boot. | 17:58 |
| Klowner | X-Fade: after it booted I had 376k free | 17:59 |
| Klowner | good stuff | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | Klowner: At least more than 0 ;) | 17:59 |
| Klowner | yup | 17:59 |
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| corecode | madduck: seems to be a recurring theme | 18:00 |
| corecode | madduck: too few UI programmers | 18:00 |
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| Khertan | Someone know what can block mfe from sending email via gmail ? sometimes it s works, sometime no ... | 18:03 |
| madduck | corecode: CLI is the real UI anyway | 18:04 |
| Khertan | seems there is something that block it ... but i can't found what | 18:04 |
| nidO | your network provider would be a possibility | 18:04 |
| corecode | madduck: surely not | 18:05 |
| Khertan | nidO: mfe use http port ... | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | nidO: so doesn't seems to be that | 18:05 |
| Khertan | and more ... some email failed while other are sent | 18:05 |
| Khertan | strange | 18:05 |
| madduck | corecode: surely yet! ;) | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: gmail greylisting? | 18:07 |
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| Khertan | DocScrutinizer: uh ? there is a greylisting ? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think there is. For sure google does some antispam. And for sure they won't elaborate on details | 18:08 |
| Khertan | but ... so why some mail are while other aren't ? | 18:09 |
| Khertan | strange | 18:09 |
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| corecode | same mail? | 18:10 |
| corecode | same server? | 18:10 |
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| Khertan | same email ... not sure that is the same server as there is load balancing on gmail exchange sync | 18:12 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:12 |
| Khertan | maybe this is the reason | 18:12 |
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| nidO | is the mail failing to actually sync with google, or syncing, getting sent, and bouncing? | 18:12 |
| Khertan | is the mail failing to actually sync with google <<< mail failing to be sent | 18:13 |
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| Khertan | but as i use mfe sync i didn't got too much error | 18:13 |
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| Khertan | maybe i should try to install wireshark and see what happen | 18:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:13 |
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| Wizzup | Any suggestions for a small bluetooth keyboard that will work with n900? | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | keyboards are not supported out of the box. | 18:15 |
| nidO | cellulon cl850 is about as small as they come, theres no way to get it working with the n900 though | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | my attempts to get it working following wiki howto failed though. | 18:16 |
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| kamui | yay! | 18:23 |
| kamui | my XT2 just arrived! | 18:23 |
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| dneary | Anyone seen Jeremiah about? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: idling in #meego | 18:29 |
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| microlith | fucking piece of trash thumbnailer daemon | 18:32 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:37 |
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| lardman | re | 18:46 |
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| lardman | andre__: ping | 18:46 |
| andre__ | lardman, pong | 18:47 |
| lardman | andre__: could I setup an entry for mbarcode in the bugtracker? | 18:47 |
| lardman | please :) | 18:47 |
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| andre__ | lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products by email. Thanks :) | 18:48 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:48 |
| hrw | I hate wifi | 18:49 |
| hrw | few years ago it was easy - iwconfig had everything needed to connect to wifi. people had open or wep | 18:50 |
| hrw | now - wpa-supplicant which gives insane logs and disconnects 10us after association | 18:50 |
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| errordeveloper | http://dpaste.com/177554/ | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | i got this during SDK5 install | 18:54 |
| ech0Asus | hrw u got aircrack goin on n900? | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | that's where first error occurs | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | basically also in syslog i get an error msg about /etc/login.defs | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | "Cannot open login definitions /etc/login.defs [No Such File or Directory]" | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | first i discovered that there is no $PATH/scratchbox/etc/login.defs and i made a symlink to my /etc/login.defs | 18:54 |
| errordeveloper | also tried to cp instead of ln -s | 18:55 |
| hrw | ech0Asus: no, playing with new router and new wifi | 18:55 |
| errordeveloper | it's all a bit wiered | 18:55 |
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| ech0Asus | is there bt tools similar to aircrack that could work on the n900 | 18:57 |
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| ech0Asus | i would like to try and play with my old phone | 18:58 |
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| lardman | andre__: will have a think about sub-categories and try to email you later, thanks | 19:01 |
| lardman | bbl | 19:01 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: Ping | 19:05 |
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| ech0Asus | is there a way to run .jar files? | 19:10 |
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| nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37405 | 19:12 |
| errordeveloper | ech0Asus: `java -jar program.jar | 19:12 |
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| abustany | hi there | 19:17 |
| abustany | I'm reading the "opt problem" page on the maemo wiki, and am packaging an app | 19:17 |
| abustany | which is installed in /opt | 19:17 |
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| abustany | and I don't see a standard way to add /opt/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 19:18 |
| abustany | of course I can add a cat foo/bar >> ld.so.conf in the postinst script, but that's really ugly :) | 19:18 |
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| GAN900 | andre | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, pong? | 19:20 |
| wbs | abustany: either compile your binaries with -rpath /opt/yourdir, or use maemo-optify before dpkg-builddeb, so that the files are installed in /opt but symlinks are added in /usr | 19:22 |
| abustany | wbs: why don't we simply add /opt/maemo/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? | 19:22 |
| abustany | that would avoid symlinks | 19:22 |
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| wbs | as for the general /opt/maemo, sure, that would be an option, too | 19:24 |
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| abustany | wbs: ok, and so how do I add that to LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? Is dropping a file in /etc/osso-af-init/ enough ? | 19:26 |
| wbs | abustany: don't ask me, I was mere suggesting some other alternatives | 19:26 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, on the leave, sorry | 19:27 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, tab completion fail. | 19:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | blocks is addictive. | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 11130. | 19:37 |
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| Arif_ | I want a Worms World Party port :( | 19:44 |
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| * noobmonk3y waves :D | 19:46 | |
| nidO | I want a worms 1 port thats less bad than wormux :( | 19:46 |
| Arif_ | nah | 19:46 |
| Arif_ | Worms 1 didn't have online play | 19:46 |
| * Arif_ throws a worm at noobmonk3y | 19:46 | |
| * noobmonk3y eats the worm | 19:46 | |
| Arif_ | Team17 hates you ;( | 19:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | yay! | 19:47 |
| noobmonk3y | everyone having a gd day? | 19:47 |
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| Arif_ | yes! | 19:47 |
| nidO | s'alright, working till 10 tho | 19:47 |
| Clickety | well, my wife left me | 19:47 |
| Clickety | and my hemorrhoids have been flaring up lately | 19:47 |
| noobmonk3y | Clickety, :| :| | 19:47 |
| Clickety | so id say, no | 19:47 |
| Khertan | Hi (again) ! | 19:47 |
| noobmonk3y | hey Khertan :D | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | still haven't got round to email you :P hehe | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | Clickety, stop IRC'ing so much then ;( | 19:48 |
| Clickety | you have a point there | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | wohooooooo my ebay sale is up to £160 :D :D | 19:48 |
| Khertan | so studying why some mail are sent by mfe and some not was a failure as it s use ssl for communicating with gmail | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | you're selling healthcheck? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y, no. It's too damn sleety, windy and cold. | 19:48 |
| Khertan | and wireshark didn t help :) | 19:48 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww SpeedEvil - not in hawaii then? | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y, no.pe. | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | pe? | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | pensilvania | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | or however you spell it? | 19:49 |
| Khertan | héhé noobmonkey .) | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom | 19:49 |
| toggles_w | pennsylvania | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | pencil'vania? | 19:49 |
| toggles_w | pa | 19:49 |
| * toggles_w lives there | 19:49 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png even | 19:49 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo scotland | 19:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | oooo arif, are you bored? | 19:50 |
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| Arif_ | no | 19:51 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 19:51 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 19:51 |
| Khertan | it s me which didn t remember well or ethercap in the past have an ssl man in the middle attack to decrypt ssl easily which wireshark didnt have | 19:51 |
| Khertan | ? | 19:51 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, that is as good as speaking latin to me ;) | 19:51 |
| Arif_ | asl? | 19:51 |
| Khertan | lol | 19:51 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Arif_ !!! | 19:51 |
| Arif_ | yeah I don't have any idea what its about either ;( | 19:52 |
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| * Khertan is trying to understood why sending email with mfe failed so frequently | 19:52 | |
| noobmonk3y | khertan, you can concentrate on my py2deb/packager (Whichever one i use) issues! lol | 19:52 |
| Khertan | there is no issue :) | 19:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | there is lol ;) - apart from it working enough to pass testing lol | 19:53 |
| Khertan | oh really ? | 19:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/healthcheck/ - icon shown, is one i havn't used in 3 weeks, and the comments are showing as * no changelog | 19:53 |
| noobmonk3y | doesnt bother me but i'm sure ossipena will have a period at some point soon | 19:54 |
| Khertan | there is a bug tracker about pypackager on http://khertan.net/flyspray/ | 19:54 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | mine was your bar-steward-ised version ;) | 19:54 |
| Khertan | for the old icon it s a bug of maemo.org/package interface | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | cool | 19:54 |
| noobmonk3y | urghhh | 19:55 |
| noobmonk3y | i hate bug trackers | 19:55 |
| Khertan | i ve already enter a bug report on b.m.o | 19:55 |
| Khertan | but still not really fixed | 19:55 |
| Khertan | yep ... but flyspray is friendly | 19:55 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm just puts me off, having to register everywhere .... | 19:55 |
| noobmonk3y | its another place i will get another username and remember once | 19:56 |
| Khertan | no need to register | 19:56 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo | 19:56 |
| noobmonk3y | oh yeah | 19:56 |
| Khertan | anonymous report is autorized | 19:56 |
| noobmonk3y | anon'mouse'ly | 19:56 |
| * noobmonk3y will brb! | 19:56 | |
| Khertan | and if you give an email ... you got a email when bug fixed | 19:57 |
| Khertan | and if you give an email address ... you got a email when bug fixed | 19:57 |
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| Khertan | also it s permit me to add easy bug report on pygtkeditor 3.0.15 | 19:57 |
| Khertan | if you got a crash it s show you the exception error and permt you to send it to the bugtracker with only one click | 19:58 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 19:58 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:58 |
| Khertan | but of course pygtkeditor 3.0.15 is available on my repository only | 19:59 |
| tybollt | bonjour khertan, how you holding up? | 20:00 |
| Khertan | and until pygtkeditor will not be removed from extras ... noone which have extras enabled will be able to install it from ham | 20:00 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 20:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:00 |
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| Khertan | tybolt : Hello ! | 20:00 |
| noobmonk3y | w00000p | 20:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan, http://www.khertan.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=7&task_token=09e219d84d6bb66eb30a9bb777821fa9 | 20:00 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, still using your repo :D | 20:01 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi again :) | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | lol wb Khertan | 20:02 |
| Khertan_ | currently ... i m trying to understand why mfe didn t send all my email | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | omg i've just rea;ised | 20:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | in that build file i think i may know the problem.... | 20:02 |
| Khertan_ | and playing a bit too much with freeciv | 20:02 |
| Khertan_ | .) | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | p.changelog== | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | to man ='s? | 20:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | many* | 20:02 |
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| Khertan_ | two equal ? ... it s a compar :) | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lo MohammadAG | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | meh all the rest have one = | 20:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | but changelog has two ='s | 20:03 |
| Khertan_ | will not affect anything | 20:03 |
| noobmonk3y | meh meh | 20:03 |
| Khertan_ | replace with one = | 20:03 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 20:03 |
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| Khertan_ | this is where ? in your script or in pypackager code ? | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | build_healthcheck.py | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | your code :) | 20:04 |
| noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/VpnfxbkQ | 20:04 |
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| Khertan | [19:06] <Khertan_> replace with one =n[19:06] <Khertan_> :)n[19:07] <Khertan_> this is where ? in your script or in pypackager code ?n[19:07] <Khertan_> ~ping | 20:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:06 |
| Khertan | sorry connection isn't stable | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y | 20:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 20:06 |
| noobmonk3y | build_healthcheck.py | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y | your code :) | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/VpnfxbkQ | 20:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan, np, i aint stable ;) | 20:07 |
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| nidO | meh | 20:09 |
| noobmonk3y | meh meh | 20:09 |
| Arif_ | meow | 20:09 |
| nidO | cant believe my case still hasnt turned up :< | 20:09 |
| Arif_ | where is it ;P | 20:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | i can't beleive it either nidO - tough life | 20:10 |
| nidO | tossed my entire apartment upside down now like 4 times | 20:10 |
| Khertan | ~ping | 20:10 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:10 |
| Khertan | http://pastebin.com/vpxM7kgh < will be better | 20:10 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:10 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, still playing ~ping ~pong | 20:10 |
| Arif_ | go buy a new one | 20:10 |
| nidO | i ordered two new ones yesterday | 20:10 |
| nidO | they havent arrived yet :( | 20:10 |
| Arif_ | why two | 20:10 |
| Khertan | yep just to know if answer has been post | 20:10 |
| nidO | in case I lose another of the bloody things | 20:10 |
| * Shapeshifter notices that maemo gitorious is now meego gitorious. | 20:10 | |
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| Khertan | as irc is block by my isp | 20:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan, posted it twice, want me to post again? | 20:11 |
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| Arif_ | I lost my stylus | 20:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Khertan | 20:11 |
| Arif_ | and I'm not buying a new one for 7 eur | 20:11 |
| nidO | luckily I still have mine :) | 20:11 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_, i have 3 spare stylus's :D | 20:11 |
| Khertan | and freenode is blocking mibbit which work better than webchat.freenode.net | 20:11 |
| Arif_ | where did you get them? | 20:11 |
| nidO | and id totally pay that for a replacement if i lost it | 20:11 |
| noobmonk3y | fleabay | 20:11 |
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| nidO | my girlfriend would leave me if we couldnt play blubbels :( | 20:11 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y : just remove one equal | 20:11 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y are they just generic ones? not ones that actually fit in the n900's holder I take it | 20:11 |
| Arif_ | nidO, you need a better gf :P | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, fit fine :D | 20:12 |
| nidO | rly? got a link? | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | jusy a bit lighter and flex an ickle bit | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | finding the link | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | somewhere in my memail i'm sure | 20:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan, trying it also | 20:12 |
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| nidO | it actually fits and has a smooth edge round the corner like the original? | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 20:13 |
| noobmonk3y | moulded the same | 20:13 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y : you ve post bugreport in the wrong project :) | 20:13 |
| noobmonk3y | just a cheaper material i think | 20:13 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, meh...... | 20:13 |
| nidO | needz link \o/ | 20:13 |
| Arif_ | lol | 20:13 |
| noobmonk3y | trying to do 2 things here! | 20:13 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, dont forget to breathe too | 20:14 |
| nidO | may as well do mine first, Khertan's due another disconnect :p | 20:14 |
| * noobmonk3y farts | 20:14 | |
| Khertan | :) | 20:14 |
| Khertan | i ll move it | 20:14 |
| Arif_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/3x-Stylus-Touch-Screen-Pen-Pack-For-NOKIA-N900-N97-Mini_W0QQitemZ160416281662QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_MobilePhoneAccessories?hash=item25598e343e | 20:14 |
| nidO | clearly nothing remotely like the proper one | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | This listing (130367574143) has been removed, or this item is not available. | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | * | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | Please check that you've entered the correct item number | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | * | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing. | 20:15 |
| Arif_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ270553467029QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe3e4895 | 20:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 20:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | wow crap | 20:15 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y got the seller's name? | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-STYLET-STYLUS-STYLII-PEN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-HOTPINK_W0QQitemZ270555548416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe5e0b00 | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | sweet color! | 20:16 |
| noobmonk3y | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ130371750981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item1e5ac30c45 | 20:16 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-X-Stylus-Pen-for-Nokia-N900_W0QQitemZ130371750981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item1e5ac30c45 that was it | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | looks the same as my 2nd link | 20:16 |
| noobmonk3y | prob was | 20:16 |
| nidO | ta - perfect \o/ | 20:17 |
| Arif_ | yep, same :P | 20:17 |
| Arif_ | nidO, get the pink ones! | 20:17 |
| noobmonk3y | fits fine, material is slightly lighter i'd say, so if you press hard it flexes, but meh, fits n works | 20:17 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 20:17 |
| nidO | i'd found these ones | 20:17 |
| nidO | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Nokia-N900-N-900-Stylus-Pen-Touch-X-2-UK_W0QQitemZ110512291363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item19bb0bbe23 | 20:17 |
| nidO | supposedly genuine | 20:17 |
| * lcuk clicks buy em now and gets the last 2 | 20:17 | |
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| noobmonk3y | lol nidO i bought some that looked the same, didnt fit n cost me £5 | 20:17 |
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| |R | dog | 20:18 |
| |R | doh | 20:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: What will you do to them? | 20:18 |
| nidO | those ones are £3.99 for 2, good price if they are genuine | 20:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, happy to post you a spare if needed? but you should have a good collection by now? | 20:18 |
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| Arif_ | you can post one to me | 20:18 |
| Arif_ | :p | 20:18 |
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| * Arif_ needs an ebay account | 20:19 | |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, im happy for styluses | 20:19 |
| Arif_ | lcuk, are you interested in those pink ones? | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | i still use my fujitsu loox one | 20:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | wb Khertan | 20:19 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y : you should got an email from flyspray normally | 20:19 |
| lcuk | Arif_, link, tracy might be for hers | 20:20 |
| * ioeee saluda o/ | 20:20 | |
| Chiku|dc | does PR1.2 released? | 20:20 |
| Arif_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-STYLET-STYLUS-STYLII-PEN-FOR-NOKIA-N900-HOTPINK_W0QQitemZ270555548416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efe5e0b00 | 20:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol Khertan - sorry for that | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | just trying a new build now :D | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y | version 7.0.0-0 :D :D :D | 20:21 |
| Khertan | chiku only in a parralel universe | 20:21 |
| noobmonk3y | or 0.7.0-0 even | 20:21 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y: héhé | 20:21 |
| RST38h | moo Khertan | 20:21 |
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| Khertan | hi rst38h | 20:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | yay build succeeded, just gotta wait 45 mins :P | 20:22 |
| Khertan | hehe | 20:22 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, - how are you feeling btw? any better? | 20:22 |
| lcuk | since when was i poorly? | 20:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | all the time? ;) | 20:22 |
| noobmonk3y | you werent feeling to great after the wkend | 20:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | think it was the freedom that got to ya | 20:22 |
| lcuk | heh yeah | 20:23 |
| noobmonk3y | looks like we may have 3 people for a meetup next week! - wohooooooooo | 20:23 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | increase profile of this meet | 20:24 |
| * noobmonk3y will advertise on page 3 of the sun | 20:24 | |
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| noobmonk3y | n900 meetup - should fit perfectly around a nipple i feel | 20:24 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: thanks, I rather see your wife on page3 :P | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, Working fine :D thankeeeeeee | 20:24 |
| lcuk | well glamour models are interested in silicone | 20:24 |
| nidO | wheres the meetup intended on being anyway? | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol tybollt dont tell my gf she is my wife, life is already hard enough for her ;) | 20:25 |
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| RST38h | only they put it into all the wrong places. | 20:25 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, M5, tiverton way | 20:25 |
| noobmonk3y | trying to get near enough for kathy to make it | 20:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i dunno | 20:25 |
| nidO | wow, that couldnt be a much worse place if it tried :p | 20:25 |
| noobmonk3y | but i'm on holiday, so dont want to spend my holiday driving! | 20:25 |
| lcuk | they dont appear to be the wrong places when i give them a cursory glance | 20:25 |
| nidO | I am going that way in a few months though | 20:25 |
| Arif_ | oh so that's your intention! | 20:25 |
| Arif_ | xD | 20:25 |
| noobmonk3y | well, aiming to get the country folk involved ;) - help the needy n all that ;) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | i suppose i should do more investigation | 20:25 |
| RST38h | keyword is "cursory". | 20:26 |
| nidO | pfff, im country foke | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :) | 20:26 |
| nidO | just the other side of the country | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, where bouts?! | 20:26 |
| nidO | norwich | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm in sussex :D | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | oh lol | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | you are a bumpkin | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | btw, is maemo5 canola worth installing? | 20:26 |
| Arif_ | no | 20:26 |
| Arif_ | it sucks | 20:26 |
| Arif_ | doesn't index anything from MyDocs | 20:26 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | Isn't it configurable | 20:27 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, i just happenned to be on hols in minehead, so was trying to drum up interest in the west country :D | 20:27 |
| Arif_ | not that I could figure out | 20:27 |
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| nidO | good plan, not exactly down the road from me though sadly :( | 20:27 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 20:28 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah, sry :P | 20:28 |
| nidO | I feel so alone, theres like 3 people in the whole of norfolk according to the user map | 20:28 |
| noobmonk3y | will do a llondon one though | 20:28 |
| noobmonk3y | london* | 20:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | i'm up in luck's neck of the woods soon | 20:28 |
| noobmonk3y | well, ok 2 hours south, but nearer | 20:28 |
| * MohammadAG wants the PR1.1.1 SDK back :/ | 20:29 | |
| nidO | shame the tiverton meet isnt over the summer, will be down plymouth way at some point | 20:29 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 20:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG | 20:29 |
| noobmonk3y | omfg... catalogue refredh has taken 5 mins... meh | 20:29 |
| noobmonk3y | refresh* | 20:30 |
| noobmonk3y | aghhhh operation failed | 20:30 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, df output is? :) | 20:33 |
| nidO | boo, gltron deps still not working right | 20:33 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 20:33 |
| noobmonk3y | just rebooting :D | 20:33 |
| ech0Asus | mmm food bbl | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | "how to clean screen (23)" <-- umm wipe it? | 20:33 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - not with used toilet paper, i hear | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, that works, according to some guy on the forum | 20:34 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, may give it a change in colour though | 20:34 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, wipe it with what? | 20:34 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 20:34 |
| lcuk | the entrails of your victim? | 20:34 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, new healthcheck in extras devel - a few changes (and a big gap for me to fill hehe) | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, a cloth? | 20:35 |
| * lcuk hunts for a working device | 20:35 | |
| nidO | gogo promote to testing | 20:35 |
| * noobmonk3y laughs | 20:35 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, what kind of cloth? | 20:35 |
| * MohammadAG sshs and updates | 20:35 | |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, - wont do it till i finish the gap filling | 20:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | got code for app info (ier, rootfs fillers) - just need to use it | 20:35 |
| noobmonk3y | ie* | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, one with needles on both sides... | 20:36 |
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| Arif_ | gotta love 1 hour recaps on Turkish channels.... :D | 20:36 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, the reason why i ask | 20:36 |
| noobmonk3y | but moved the camera test into it's own window, and put it on the tools page | 20:36 |
| nidO | did you find a reliable way to add info about backups? :p | 20:36 |
| * MohammadAG starts the repository refresh and gets a stop watch | 20:36 | |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, started working on that :D | 20:36 |
| lcuk | i once completely fscked my crt monitor | 20:36 |
| lcuk | by cleaning it a bit to vigerously with a sponge | 20:36 |
| lcuk | it had some kind of coating :S | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, oh I forgot about scratches, I use a screen protector | 20:37 |
| * RST38h guesses Extras* cleanup of the old package versions has also been marked as "lowest priority" by the maemo.org team? | 20:37 | |
| MohammadAG | I never wipe my screens | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Other, more important things? | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | i threw a 17inch crt off a 5 storey building, missing the skip, and bouncing over my bosses porsche..... | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | don't get them dirty in the first place | 20:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, old version cleanup occurs doesnt it | 20:37 |
| lcuk | just look on packages thing for noobmonk3y | 20:37 |
| lcuk | his is littered with cleanup thing | 20:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Apparently, not often enough | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 20:37 |
| lcuk | ssince he submits a new build every time he farts | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, now why didn't I think of using \n for a new line in Description... | 20:38 |
| lcuk | oh, sorry noobmonk3y are you there :p | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 20:38 |
| * MohammadAG realizes he has a long way ahead of him | 20:38 | |
| lcuk | "release early, release often" is deffo your mantra | 20:38 |
| * noobmonk3y learns new things every day.... breathing was a useful one ;) | 20:38 | |
| Arif_ | Nokia should do that too | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, if you don't release alot, people loose the will to care and you get forgotton | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, they forget something each day | 20:39 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, of course | 20:39 |
| Arif_ | they forget to add a changelog | 20:39 |
| Arif_ | in symbianworld :p | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | imho updating the SDK + autobuilder without updating the device is/was stupid | 20:39 |
| Arendtsen | Argh! Why is it that my N900 keeps using my mms connection in stead of my internet connection when I get out of wifi range? | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG somekey maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 20:39 |
| lcuk | frals cough | 20:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG , wasnt it for developers? (Considering i do it on the device, really didnt help me) | 20:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lots of people getting that | 20:40 |
| Arif_ | maybe they should fix ovi store if they think of the developers | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, I want to compile an app :( | 20:40 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | not python based, so it wouldn't work :/ | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - i do it on the device :D hehe | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh you picked the wrong language i say lol | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, gcc isn't there :) | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | allthough c does seem to have more goodies then pymaemo | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, python doesn't need compiling :) | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | aghhhhh to extras devel | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | interpreted language - not sure if you knew that :P | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | no updates for healthchec? | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | oh yes there is , i can see it in packages | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | updated | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | grrrrrrrr | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | Setting up healthcheck (0.7.0-0) ... | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you actually use HAM? | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | i made the bloody thing, why can't i update! | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah MohammadAG | 20:41 |
| noobmonk3y | I r no Linux geek | 20:42 |
| Arif_ | heh | 20:42 |
| noobmonk3y | actually my total experience of linux = n900 | 20:42 |
| nidO | get out. | 20:42 |
| Arif_ | someone on the forums is asking how to pirate xD | 20:42 |
| noobmonk3y | and i'm selling my laptop with linux lol | 20:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Arif_ - go tell him to buy a parrot | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, umm, you program but don't use terminal? | 20:42 |
| * MohammadAG realizes he's the opposite of that | 20:42 | |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - i'm learning :D | 20:42 |
| noobmonk3y | obviously had to do some to get healthcheck working ;) | 20:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | aghhh ham smells | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y | so what am i doing? apt-get update healthcheck? | 20:43 |
| nidO | ham's yum | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, as root apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :) | 20:43 |
| nidO | just to really confuse people. | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get update refreshes the repos | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm wont that update everything? | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | && means do this too | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, yeah | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y | only want hc updated | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get upgrade upgrades packages | 20:44 |
| Arif_ | download the deb and install it from the filemanager :P | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | not sure but you might be able to do apt-get upgrade healthcheck | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | never tried it really... | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh you can apt-get --reinstall install healthcheck | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y | upgrading :D | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | == an update when there is one | 20:44 |
| noobmonk3y | oh no | 20:45 |
| noobmonk3y | maybe not | 20:45 |
| noobmonk3y | that line still asked me to update all | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | apt locks the directories it uses, so you can't use apt-get and HAM | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install | 20:45 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 20:45 |
| Klowner | anyone know how to disable automatic 'apt-get update'? It's slightly annoying being all slowed down at inconvenient times | 20:45 |
| noobmonk3y | tried apt-get upgrade healthcheck | 20:45 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# apt-get --reinstall install healthcheck | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | Reading package lists... Done | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | Building dependency tree | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | Reading state information... Done | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | ^ see? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | *rolleyes* http://pastebin.com/HXcKwXTK | 20:46 |
| nidO | ofc, its worth noting that reinstall != upgrade | 20:46 |
| noobmonk3y | yay | 20:46 |
| noobmonk3y | worked | 20:46 |
| noobmonk3y | well, working | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | more packages getting broken The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | psx4all: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | Depends: libhildonmime0 (>= 2.1.5) but 2.1.3-1+0m5 is to be installed | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | nidO, true, but it works IF there is an upgrade | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | upgrades are essentially a reinstall of the newer version | 20:47 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk | 20:47 |
| * lcuk replies | 20:47 | |
| noobmonk3y | yay healthcheck looks sexy still | 20:47 |
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| * noobmonk3y will brb | 20:49 | |
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| Klowner | seems theres no cron, I wonder what triggers the app update check | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | Klowner, could be apt-worker? | 20:51 |
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| nidO | that or alarmd potentially | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | uninstall one by one to find out :P | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | (that could(?) work) | 20:52 |
| Klowner | heh | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: NTD, new taiwan dollars | 20:53 |
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| nidO | well, removing apt-worker would surely balls up ham completely anyway | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: got another few thousand flying around here ;-) | 20:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm i think i need to work on icon buttons next | 20:53 |
| noobmonk3y | standard ones look a bit crap | 20:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | and probably updating the tabs as you click on the tabs | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | instead of update buttons on each tab | 20:54 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, some tabs would make sense there | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah, sorry keeping tabs, but removing update buttons, and changing some to icons | 20:54 |
| lcuk | i had some thoughts about how to handle that but i will have to ponder more | 20:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | pondering is good | 20:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | i'm assuming tabs have an onfocus command | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | nidO, it might remove mp-fremantle-pr-<whatever variant you have> | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | so just need to remove buttons and set the focus command to run the function | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, I'm waiting for the torture stuff in healthcheck :P | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG ;) | 20:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | i want to do a 3d test, so could have some 3d torture | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | no, seriously :p | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | oh you mean cpud stress testing? | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | cpu* | 20:55 |
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| nidO | that'd be a good plan, get milkdrop running on maemo for a full 3d dsp stress test | 20:55 |
| nidO | \o/ | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | or just the n900 grows legs n kicks you in the balls? | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, execute all .desktop files :) | 20:56 |
| lcuk | nidO, people are already looking at milkdrop | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG - hehehe, yeah | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | ouch | 20:56 |
| lcuk | its in original gl tho | 20:56 |
| noobmonk3y | havnt figured out opengl yet | 20:56 |
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| Cazou | Hey, I'm interrested in the Answering machine GSoC :) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | I'm sorry, theres no-one on IRC to take you call right now, Please leave a message and someone will get back to you. | 21:06 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 21:06 |
| Cazou | I did not hear any beeeeeeeeeeep | 21:07 |
| lcuk | *deadpan* beep | 21:07 |
| Xisdibik | message: Hey lcuk, you suck, I wish you were here to solve my problems, but instead I must resort to this bottle. Anyways call me back, bye" | 21:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | what does maemo use for file associations? Just /usr/share/applications/defaults.list? No xdg-mime? or gconf? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | Xisdibik, which bottle, and are you sharing | 21:08 |
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| Xisdibik | lcuk, A bottle of rootbeer, and no, its all mine! | 21:08 |
| lcuk | ahh hthats ok | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | you can keep the rootbeer | 21:08 |
| Xisdibik | im at work, dont think they would appreciate me drinking booze :) | 21:09 |
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| hrw | have a nice rest of day | 21:10 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5505499/female-terrorists-explosive-breast-implants | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Oh yessss | 21:10 |
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| Cazou | Xisdibik: I'm in Belgium, which beer do you want ? :D | 21:11 |
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| Xisdibik | RST38h, im applying right now to be an "inspector" for women at airports | 21:12 |
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| Xisdibik | Cazou, the most delicious one :) | 21:13 |
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| corecode | anybody else not seeing a reject button on horizontal phone + orange theme? | 21:14 |
| delor | hello, is there a way to fix GPG error for extras repository? | 21:14 |
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| Cazou | Xisdibik: that's.... vague ! | 21:16 |
| corecode | delor: on the phone? | 21:16 |
| Xisdibik | Cazou, indeed | 21:17 |
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| delor | corecode: yes | 21:17 |
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| corecode | hm | 21:19 |
| corecode | didn't have problems | 21:19 |
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| corecode | have problems on the sdk | 21:19 |
| corecode | for any package | 21:19 |
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| Cazou | So, I'm recording the message : "Dear developpers, would you be kind enough to "Cazou :" me when you are available to talk about this answering machine ?" | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | Cazou, haha it was intended as a joke | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | ok, do you have an idea how to implement it | 21:26 |
| lcuk | and think its achievable for your skills | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where's your wikipages on hw? the friggin wiki is impossible to navigate :-/ | 21:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | category n900 hardware | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where would you add bq24150 ? :-D | 21:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900_hardware_battery_meter | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | and add that to the n900_hardware catgory | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not exactly meter - N1140 USB battery charger :-DDD | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900_hardware_battery_charger? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | now we're absolutely sure what we got to cope with. bq27200 meter, and bq25150a charger | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | no strong views as long as it's in the hw category | 21:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | neat | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks! | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw my board revision is identical to the one in schematics (without the 'A' suffix) | 21:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | intersting! | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Stskeeps ^^^ | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also no visible diffs between board and photo | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | the sd daughterboard mislead me | 21:41 |
| digitalstimulus | hello all | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WAAAAH the sd storage card daughterboard - the FPC is integral part of the main PCB | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | break that flimsy crap and get a new device :-(( | 21:43 |
| digitalstimulus | does anyone know if maemo mapper 3.x can be installed on n810 diablo? | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart the EE designing such crap | 21:44 |
| * infobot lowers the EE designing such crap's priority | 21:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | try again! | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart the EE designing such crap | 21:44 |
| * infobot pours hot grits down the front of the EE designing such crap's pants | 21:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, this is a mp device? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they didn't ship a PV model to me ;-P | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of the four mech posts of USB receptacle looks poorly soldered :-/ | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | you got pics to srick on wiki? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a moment | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict srick | 21:48 |
| infobot | could not find definition for srick | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | stick | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, need a tea | 21:49 |
| * ShadowJK considers rigging initscripts to strace bme from boot | 21:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: cool idea | 21:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | T | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 10BT? I'd prefer a freshly brewed one | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | init=strace -f /bin/init | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnnhrhrhrr | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, just bme, the output would fit on rootfs | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I have that logging daemon installed - the research one. straced from day 1 | 21:51 |
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| jaem_n900 | 'afternoon | 21:56 |
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| jaem_n900 | does anyone know off-hand how to manually restart the messaging framework on Fremantle? There's a bug that keeps manifesting periodically which goes away with a reboot, but reboots are annoying | 21:57 |
| jaem_n900 | I'm referring to RTCOM, or whatever they call it | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq24150 | 21:58 |
| Cazou | lcuk: I wasn't sure on the level of the joke | 21:59 |
| Cazou | but anyway | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | making battery go 'BOOM' definitely is a hard exercise via software | 21:59 |
| jaem_n900 | haha | 21:59 |
| Cazou | It totally fits my skills | 21:59 |
| jaem_n900 | and good thing, too | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I really wonder wtf could be NDS-worthy in BME | 21:59 |
| Cazou | at least gstreamer-wise | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | NDA | 21:59 |
| Cazou | the only maemo version i used is on the N810 | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, so we have an awesome charge meter, which is unused? | 22:00 |
| Cazou | and i'm not really familiar with scratchbox (I have bad memories trying to compile Qt) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq27200? dunno if it's used or not | 22:00 |
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| Cazou | lcuk: I worked on 3 projects so far, all Three being Qt applications and I'd like to see the rest of the world | 22:02 |
| Cazou | But I have questions | 22:02 |
| Cazou | first, do I have to have a recent maemo device ? | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48738 | 22:03 |
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| Cazou | I'm not sure i can install maemo5 on the N810 | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | you can't | 22:04 |
| Cazou | so if simulation is enough, that would be great (I plan on buying the next Nokia smartphone but, it won't be in my hand for the GSoC :p) | 22:05 |
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| Cazou | Also, should the work be done for maemo or meego ? what's common to both ? | 22:06 |
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| style | hi, is there way to mark all emails as read? | 22:12 |
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| style | ctrl+a doesn't work =( | 22:13 |
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| jaem_n900 | style, I don't think so | 22:15 |
| jaem_n900 | it also doesn't have a search function :/ | 22:15 |
| jaem_n900 | sorry | 22:15 |
| style | :\ | 22:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, hmm. do the debug pads match the photo on your decice? because they don't on mine. | 22:18 |
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| hrw | someone know how to remove internet connection from n900? it is not listed in settings->itnernet connections | 22:29 |
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| wolf^ | hrw, ifconfig, ifup, ifdown may work | 22:33 |
| toggles_w | hrw: /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/system/osso/connectivity/IAP holds all the known connections | 22:34 |
| hrw | thx toggles_w | 22:35 |
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| toggles_w | no worries mate, took me ages to find it so I could port my IAP's from n810 to n900 ;-) | 22:35 |
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| hrw | btw - I hate n900 implementation of WPS support | 22:36 |
| toggles_w | sory, can't help you... ;-) | 22:36 |
| Shapeshifter | What do you think, how many projects will maemo carry this time in gsoc? | 22:37 |
| hrw | 3 | 22:37 |
| Shapeshifter | hrw: I see. That's not many ;) | 22:38 |
| * Shapeshifter is taking a guess, that some sort of google services api proposal will sure be in. | 22:39 | |
| hrw | and nearly nothing interested will be there | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, Oh one thing, on the schematics the BSI stuff is interfacing with one of the cellular chips.. rapuyama? Maybe that's what's "secret" in bme | 22:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | hrw: nothing interested? | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | Not that bme seems to do anything sensible with the BSI line anyway | 22:40 |
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| hrw | nothing interesting I meant | 22:40 |
| Shapeshifter | hrw: among the project? why do think? | 22:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK, the cellmo will have a direct bat connection prolly. | 22:41 |
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| hrw | good thing to write would be calendar app which could be compared to Agendus/(PalmOS, WinMo, UIQ) or WinMo advanced ones | 22:42 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: but google prefers people to use web browser + google calendar and nokia does not care about calendar users | 22:43 |
| toggles_w | hrw: did you finr your iap? | 22:43 |
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| hrw | toggles_w: nope | 22:44 |
| Shapeshifter | hrw: ah you meant about the google api. mh, possibly | 22:44 |
| toggles_w | hrw: http://tommywatson.com/iap is what I use to search, tweak the dir var at the top | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | why oh why isn't there an apt-get dist-downgrade | 22:45 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: no, I mean in total | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, 80-84% charger efficiency at 1200mA input | 22:46 |
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| hrw | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 shows how crap Nokia devteam is | 22:47 |
| povbot | Bug 5786: "Wi-Fi Protected Setup" doesn't work, is not optional, and is used when disabled. | 22:47 |
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| hrw | fucking morons | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG | hrw|gone, lol that was my first problem when i got the N900 | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | I just set it up manually | 22:53 |
| iPeter- | Hi. I got a D-Link Dir-300 wlan box and Nokia N900. When i search for wifi, it shows it on list, but when i try to connect it gives some "easy" connect system and asks to push some button from wifi station and press done. How do i connect to that wifi normally, because i cant find any button from that wifi station. | 22:54 |
| hrw|gone | iPeter-: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5786 | 22:54 |
| povbot | Bug 5786: "Wi-Fi Protected Setup" doesn't work, is not optional, and is used when disabled. | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | speak of the devil | 22:54 |
| hrw|gone | iPeter-: sending curses into nokia direction helps | 22:54 |
| ryokale | iPeter-: i have dir-655 and the button i found was in the administration web page | 22:54 |
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| iPeter- | ryokale: I cant access to that page :/ | 22:55 |
| ryokale | though the phone i used to try this was N00 | 22:55 |
| ryokale | how come? | 22:55 |
| iPeter- | I dont have any device to connect on that wlan so i could access to that loginpage :D | 22:55 |
| ryokale | :D | 22:56 |
| ryokale | ok | 22:56 |
| iPeter- | hrw|gone: So i cant disable that "easysetup" thing? | 22:56 |
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| iPeter- | ryokale: Fin? | 22:56 |
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| ryokale | yep | 22:56 |
| toggles_w | iPeter-: no, you have to set it up manually through te settings->connections | 22:56 |
| nidO | iPeter- just setup the connection manually | 22:56 |
| iPeter- | okay | 22:57 |
| iPeter- | Thanks | 22:57 |
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| ShadowJK | charger chip's i2c address 0x6b.. | 22:58 |
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| ShadowJK | bme has /dev/i2c-2 opened twice.. once for charger and once for meter chip? | 23:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | hrw|gone: but, btw, doesn't the community / community-council decide over participations? I thought it's the community project that applied in gsoc. | 23:07 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the charger chip can operate in reverse and boost battery voltage to +5.05V on vbus? :P | 23:10 |
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| iPeter- | Really, thanks for the wifi tip, have been few months on 3G even at home. :> | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, council has no direct authority over the GSoC | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, council serves a facilitation role, primarily. | 23:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | GAN900: "free slaves" principle, ehh | 23:13 |
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| iPeter- | I need a tip. Whats easiest way to open a link in a new window? | 23:17 |
| iPeter- | Device: Nokia N900 | 23:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | what software | 23:17 |
| iPeter- | MicroB | 23:18 |
| petteri | hold your finger on the link for couple of seconds | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hold on link | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | select open ... | 23:18 |
| iPeter- | Yeah, but it doesnt "grey" that link :< | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | js may not do that | 23:18 |
| iPeter- | ie. On googles page, i see a link what i want to open a new window. It doesnt "grab" it.. | 23:19 |
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| microlith | man, I hope PR1.2 fixes the media player | 23:24 |
| microlith | so very broken | 23:24 |
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| GAN900 | Don't expect any miracles. . . . | 23:29 |
| microlith | certainly not | 23:30 |
| microlith | I just want it to not "lose" albums | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | I would especially not expect fixes to things where the "bugs" are in the specification | 23:30 |
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| Xisdibik | microlith, what bugs are hounding you in Media Player? | 23:31 |
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| microlith | Xisdibik: well for example, I just added two albums to my device | 23:31 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, gotta love Nokia. | 23:31 |
| microlith | those albums are by an artist I already had on the device, but went to the wrong spot | 23:32 |
| microlith | so the album tha twas there is no longer visible | 23:32 |
| microlith | I moved them | 23:32 |
| microlith | it's still not visible | 23:32 |
| Xisdibik | strange, not that ive tried what you did, but ive had no issue like that | 23:32 |
| microlith | I can totally believe it's because they're unicode artist/album titles | 23:32 |
| microlith | since the media player is wholly incompetent in dealing with it | 23:33 |
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| ShadowJK | unicode is quite a beast :D | 23:33 |
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| microlith | I suppose, but I'd have thought that sorting a list was a solved problem | 23:34 |
| X-Fade | Does anybody see a gpg error for Extras on fremantle? | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Like, should 'this' be sorted same as ’ｔｈｉｓ’, should the be considered equal (==)? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I've read similar sentence in overview. Need to check the whole datasheet | 23:35 |
| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: those are different characters | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, yes but they say the same thing and look the same | 23:36 |
| microlith | ShadowJK: well, I'm more dealing with CJK character sets | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | except one is doublewidth and one isn't | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but now for the photos(scans, then for dinner. Priorities :-P | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 23:36 |
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| microlith | I'd forgive the sluggishness of the song list load if I could at least get an "in directory order" list | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | directory order... like, inode order? :) | 23:37 |
| microlith | sure, why not | 23:37 |
| aep | ummm where is the pipe on the keyboard of the n900? oO | 23:37 |
| microlith | it'd make more sense than the borderline random sort I get now :) | 23:37 |
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| ShadowJK | aep, sym | 23:37 |
| Xisdibik | aep, no, sorry, you will have to smoke using something else | 23:37 |
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| aep | ShadowJK: sym ... and then? | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | pick pipe from the popup | 23:38 |
| Xisdibik | aep, click the pipe? :D | 23:38 |
| aep | aah | 23:38 |
| aep | thanks | 23:38 |
| dmj726_n9001 | Are there any good image processing libraries available for the n900? | 23:38 |
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| Pavel | Is it just me, or does gPodder always use 100% CPU when downloading podcasts? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | dmj726_n9001, gimp | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | Pavel, measured how? | 23:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | btw, is there a way to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel? | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ | 23:44 |
| Pavel | ShadowJK: Now that I look at it, it might be gst-video-thumbnailerd that's doing it --- perhaps "thumbnailing" the videos as they are being downloaded. I'll double-check. | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | Pavel, 50-60% idle for me, though I don't know what cpu speed that's at :) | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | your camera has focus issues :) | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | ah, gets better | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bye buggers | 23:49 |
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