| konttori | perhaps I should mention that we have exactly the same tracker in the latest ubuntu as we have on fremantle | 00:00 |
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| konttori | (jaunty) | 00:00 |
| torkiano | AStorm, so I should develop in 32 bit virtual machine | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | Available versions: *0.6.3 ~*0.6.6 *0.6.6-r1 ⁑9999 {applet debug deskbar gnome gsf gstreamer gtk hal jpeg kernel_linux pdf xine} | 00:00 |
| AStorm | torkiano, yes, that will work the best | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | I think that means they're all masked on ARM Gentoo :/ | 00:00 |
| AStorm | scratchbox is very picky | 00:00 |
| torkiano | and with sb2? | 00:01 |
| AStorm | luke-jr, there's almost no ARM Gentoo :) | 00:01 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: N810 | 00:01 |
| AStorm | torkiano, I don't know how to set that up, so ask someone else | 00:01 |
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| torkiano | I installed it in jaunty (Its on the official repos) | 00:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori, awesome, thanks. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was going to bug the Tracker devs to do something more user-oriented. | 00:02 |
| konttori | np. lemme know if I can help | 00:02 |
| AStorm | ukmp... again? :) | 00:03 |
| AStorm | I guess I should try it out | 00:03 |
| AStorm | but that after I fix my earphones | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: want to be the 4th Gentoo N8x0 user⁈ | 00:03 |
| AStorm | no reason to yet, and I'd have to ebuildize a lot of stuff | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | like what? | 00:03 |
| AStorm | (maemopad++, maemo-mapper) | 00:04 |
| konttori | AStorm: well, I thought it would be fun to update it to work on fremantle | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | I think the only thing we don't have so far is sound | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | AStorm: ah, I'm hoping to use Marble for GPS | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | Kate/KWrite should be usable for taking notes | 00:04 |
| AStorm | sound should be possible via ALSA, I somehow managed to get that running, though with some CPU usage | 00:04 |
| AStorm | I could try again | 00:04 |
| AStorm | but still, I don't have that much spare time | 00:05 |
| AStorm | and especially can't afford n810 being out of order for a few weeks now | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | me either | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | I just want something usable | 00:05 |
| AStorm | there you have Maemo? :) | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | which I didn't consider Maemo to be | 00:05 |
| AStorm | why? it's *almost* good ;P | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | for taking notes maybe | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | that's about it | 00:06 |
| AStorm | (excluding random broken nokia closed software) | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | Mapper works half-decent I suppose | 00:06 |
| AStorm | and using GPS, and IM, and text editing, and... | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | it wasn't usable for IM | 00:06 |
| AStorm | mapper works very well | 00:06 |
| AStorm | pidgin works | 00:06 |
| AStorm | (skype too, but eats too much CPU) | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | I got GPS working on Gentoo | 00:07 |
| AStorm | good, how? the driver is open or sth? | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | no, the ebuild uses the .deb | 00:07 |
| AStorm | ah | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | I admit, it has a long TTFF | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | since it has no persistent data | 00:07 |
| AStorm | well, you can upload ephemeris, ask agps developer | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | or at least | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | USE=-gconf has no persistent data | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | but I really really don't want GNOME on my system | 00:08 |
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| AStorm | deal with it... the almost well done part of maemo is the input method | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | USE=-gconf uses dd to null out some regions | 00:09 |
| AStorm | (one annoying thing is that hwr can't take national characters of my language) | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | Maemo input is terrible. :/ | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | I like my X keymap better | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | so I can type pipe and stuff | 00:09 |
| AStorm | better than no virtual keyboard and no handwriting | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | I suppose the stickkeys implementation is OK | 00:09 |
| AStorm | yes, that can be done on Maemo too | 00:09 |
| AStorm | sticky keys are actually broken, you can do better using that X extension... AccessX | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | sticky keys works for me in Maemo | 00:10 |
| AStorm | work, in GTK apps | 00:10 |
| AStorm | which is meh | 00:10 |
| AStorm | esp. when there's X-wide support | 00:10 |
| z4chh_ | im going to break the world record for time it takes from recieving an n810 to the time it takes to flash it :) | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | KDE 4.2 screwed up my Xmodmap :< | 00:10 |
| AStorm | heh, that's KDE, taking over your world | 00:11 |
| z4chh_ | ive got scripts ready so i can type one command...and my usb cable ready | 00:11 |
| AStorm | z4chh, add HAL/udev to launch them | 00:12 |
| luke-jr | z4chh_: chances are it won't work with your USB cable | 00:12 |
| AStorm | no need to type ;) | 00:12 |
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| z4chh_ | luke-jr, is it not the same type as the n800 cable? | 00:13 |
| z4chh_ | at least one end.. | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | oh, you already have one? | 00:13 |
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| z4chh_ | n800 yes | 00:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori, I much prefer updating play count at 50% for scrobbling purposes. | 00:16 |
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| wazd_n800 | hello world! | 00:35 |
| xnt_ | wazd: hello | 00:36 |
| xnt_ | brb | 00:36 |
| wazd_n800 | I'm in the middle of the nowhere, heading to St. Petersburg :) | 00:36 |
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| [A2K]_ | hello | 00:49 |
| [A2K]_ | i have problems installing nitdroid, can somebody help me? | 00:50 |
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| guysoft42 | hey, someone in my bug report just said that the latest maemo version is 5.2008.43-7 and not 4.2008.23-14. should't the update manager make it available for me to upgrade without re-flashing? | 00:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | guysoft42, not if you removed osso-software-version somewhere along the way. | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~ssu | 00:50 |
| infobot | i heard ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 00:50 |
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| [A2K]_ | i have mounted internal card on my computer, created 3 partitions (vfat,nothing,ext3) and flashed the nitdroid kernel, but it does not boot - i see only droid image. | 00:51 |
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| [A2K]_ | i have copied android files to third partition too. | 00:51 |
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| guysoft42 | GeneralAntilles, thanks... upgraded.. | 01:07 |
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| guysoft42 | andre__, hey, i commented back on your reply to my bug.. still happens | 01:09 |
| * b-man` is porting Darwin software to his N800 XD | 01:14 | |
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| andre__ | guysoft42, thanks! | 01:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, get my email? | 01:23 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, just got back a few hours ago from a wekkend trip | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have fun? | 01:32 |
| andre__ | yay! | 01:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol . . . closing Sopwith doesn't stop the horrifying music. | 03:31 |
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| man_in_ltop | :) | 03:36 |
| man_in_ltop | i just had to install sopwith | 03:36 |
| man_in_ltop | yay for cga graphics | 03:36 |
| * b-man` has ported the PDisk mac osx partition utility to maemo & ubuntu | 03:40 | |
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| b-man` | i still need to package it though | 03:41 |
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| man_in_ltop | that's always the fun part | 03:42 |
| fuzzy | Does pidgin work with the maemo sdk? I can get it installed, but I can't seem to get it to run | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably not. | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The SDK is not an emulator. | 03:46 |
| b-man` | man_in_ltop: the hard part was editing the source code so it was compatible with the system ;) | 03:47 |
| man_in_ltop | :) | 03:47 |
| * b-man` starts to brag about it in #mac XD | 03:48 | |
| man_in_ltop | hehe, so ... my app should have preferences | 03:49 |
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| fuzzy | can a full emulator be used to emulate a nokia n810? | 03:51 |
| b-man` | i believe you can if you use qemu-system-arm | 03:53 |
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| * b-man` was able to boot NITdroid in qemu | 03:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | fuzzy, sure, but you'll need an N810 | 03:56 |
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| pupnik_ | anybody got ekiga working? i have a friend who would like to test it | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | pupnik_: I'm more apt to try getting a Qt phone workign | 04:09 |
| pupnik_ | mk. i'd really like to show live video to my leenux friends | 04:09 |
| pupnik_ | and or make a n800 doorbell ;) | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | something tells me you could make a better doorbell cheaper | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, rtcomm? | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | The beta should support Ekiga, I think. | 04:11 |
| pupnik_ | wasn't rtcomm for bluetooth headsets? | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | rfcomm | 04:12 |
| pupnik_ | oh durr | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm is the Maemo telepathy framework. | 04:12 |
| pupnik_ | ty - i'll check it out | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need Extras-devel, the rtcomm beta repo and the Colabora repo from gronmayer to install the rtcomm beta. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to ask qwerty12 what the status of the telepathy libs in Extras is. . . . | 04:13 |
| luke-jr | the whole "Internet Call" thing worked nicely for me when I used Maemo | 04:14 |
| pupnik_ | missing video call is a bit of a hole in the product | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | skype is probably holding out for a bigger bribe | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Google can't be arsed to implement their own damn protocol | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | or else GTalk video would work fine. | 04:16 |
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| zakkm | hey | 05:30 |
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| b-man` | hello zakkm | 05:37 |
| zakkm | b-man`: how did the fvwm-crystal go? | 05:38 |
| zakkm | you like it? | 05:38 |
| b-man` | it was ok | 05:39 |
| zakkm | still prefer gnome over it for tablet? | 05:40 |
| zakkm | you think if i run off SD + run 48mhz kernel, i would see a speed boost for maemo? | 05:40 |
| b-man` | probably | 05:41 |
| zakkm | i found my 4gb card :) | 05:41 |
| zakkm | my other one | 05:41 |
| b-man` | awsome :) | 05:41 |
| zakkm | so now i got 8gb total :D | 05:42 |
| zakkm | dont know what to do with it | 05:42 |
| * b-man` ported the pdisk mac osx partition utility to maemo/ubuntu btw | 05:42 | |
| zakkm | only good mac osx partition utility is disk utility :p | 05:42 |
| zakkm | b-man`: is your repository for diablo maemo too? | 05:43 |
| b-man` | nope, just ubuntu at the moment | 05:43 |
| zakkm | trying to add more packages to application manager | 05:44 |
| zakkm | thinking extras + extras-devel isnt enough ;p | 05:44 |
| zakkm | ohhh do you know how to do the msn haze fix for rtcomm? | 05:44 |
| b-man` | heh | 05:44 |
| b-man` | nope | 05:44 |
| b-man` | zakkm, btw, is disk utility open-source? - i could port it ;) | 05:45 |
| zakkm | no, its the builtin one.. the one that gets used to install the OS | 05:46 |
| b-man` | hmm :( | 05:46 |
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| pupnik_ | apparently dneary has done some work on wengophone / openwengo / qutecom. apparently it's a good FOSS voice/video chat solution. | 05:54 |
| pupnik_ | not finding many links though | 05:54 |
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| pupnik_ | luke-jr: were you talking about openwengo / qutecom back there? | 05:56 |
| pupnik_ | < luke-jr> pupnik_: I'm more apt to try getting a Qt phone workign | 05:56 |
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| luke-jr | pupnik_: I hadn't anythign in mind specifically | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | pupnik_: but since, I've decided on Kiax2 | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | however, Kiax2 is unlikely to suit your needs | 05:57 |
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| coeus82 | hey guys, I seem to be having issues installing Ubuntu-N8x0 2.2. On step 3 when I enter the following: "mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/jaunty -o noatime" I get mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/jaunty failed | 06:09 |
| coeus82 | any suggestions? | 06:09 |
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| zakkm | coeus82: did you do insmod? | 06:12 |
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| coeus82 | zakkm: if I do it again it says "file exists" | 06:13 |
| zakkm | does both mmcblk0p2 and /mnt/jaunty exist? | 06:13 |
| zakkm | b-man`: you here? | 06:13 |
| zakkm | coeus82: insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`/ext3.ko <-- is the one you want in particular | 06:14 |
| Macer | wow... cleveland is kind of a fucked up city :) | 06:14 |
| zakkm | ohh | 06:14 |
| coeus82 | zakkm: Ya, mmcblk0p2 exists in /dev/ and jaunty in /mnt/ | 06:14 |
| zakkm | coeus82: do 0p3 ... not 0p2 | 06:14 |
| Macer | the streets and houses are really runned down | 06:14 |
| zakkm | b-man has to edit the guide, for some reason he put 0p2 , when thats swap, so it wont mount for obvious reasons | 06:15 |
| zakkm | guide error by the looks of it | 06:15 |
| zakkm | coeus82: yeah, do 0p3 | 06:15 |
| coeus82 | zakkm: When I try it again I get : "insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists | 06:16 |
| zakkm | coeus82: i just realized he did that mount.. in guide wrong.. it should be mmcblk0p3 .. not 0p2 | 06:16 |
| zakkm | should tell him to change it | 06:16 |
| zakkm | he just left awhile ago | 06:16 |
| coeus82 | zakkm: so what should I do? | 06:17 |
| zakkm | mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt/jaunty -o noatime | 06:17 |
| coeus82 | ah | 06:17 |
| zakkm | he screwed up guide making | 06:18 |
| zakkm | got the numbers wrong | 06:18 |
| coeus82 | I see, makes sense and worked | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Liquid cooled, took a piss all over itself. | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Piece of shit computer. | 06:18 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: whattt? | 06:18 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: you see the new adium nightly, running irc from adium :D | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wrong damn channel. | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any good? | 06:19 |
| coeus82 | zakkm: do I need to get boot menu installed to run this? I'm not really sure what to do once all is done | 06:19 |
| zakkm | working perfectly | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Colloquy is a buggy, CPU cycle-eating piece of garbage. | 06:19 |
| zakkm | i dont know any special irc stuff mind you | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nick coloring? | 06:19 |
| zakkm | yeah | 06:19 |
| zakkm | follows normal adium skin | 06:19 |
| zakkm | irc channel is a chat window | 06:19 |
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| zakkm | and on right side shows the users | 06:20 |
| zakkm | autologins and such , channels and all you want | 06:20 |
| zakkm | neve rliked colloquy, linkinus was awesome though but its like 14 day trial | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linkinus's window management sucks. | 06:20 |
| zakkm | its so nice for me, this, cause it fits perfectly into adium | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or, rather, lack thereof. | 06:21 |
| zakkm | and its like another person your talking to , with skin and such | 06:21 |
| zakkm | is there a simple way to make menu items? like simple nano'ing typing? | 06:22 |
| zakkm | in maemo | 06:22 |
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| zakkm | generalantilles: you dont happen to know the rtcomm msn haze fix would you? | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't use MSN | 06:26 |
| zakkm | im a highschool student, i dont have a choice in the matter | 06:26 |
| zakkm | socially i require it, same with facebook | 06:26 |
| zakkm | i remember being on here ages ago and someone had a fix and it worked, but i totally forgotten everything | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, I don't. | 06:28 |
| zakkm | also if you dont mind me asking, do you know a good way to fill a 8gb sd card? | 06:29 |
| zakkm | useful way | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Music, movies, ebooks? | 06:29 |
| zakkm | my music takes like 200mb, dont watch movies on the go, ebooks are small i think | 06:30 |
| rm_you | zakkm: I keep like 3g of maps for Maemo Mapper for my area :) | 06:30 |
| zakkm | i was thinking bigger swap, but thats all | 06:30 |
| zakkm | give it like 512mb swap for maemo or something | 06:30 |
| rm_you | often proves very useful | 06:30 |
| zakkm | i lived in the same place my whole life, i think i know the area too well | 06:31 |
| zakkm | also, if im with someone, like everyone i know has a ipod touch/iphone, and then theres maps on that thats cool | 06:31 |
| rm_you | brb, reboot necessary | 06:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not perfect. | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | No tab-completion is bad. | 06:39 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Adium | 06:39 |
| zakkm | adium irc? | 06:40 |
| zakkm | whats tab-completion? | 06:41 |
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| GAN800 | zak<tab> gives you zakkm | 06:41 |
| zakkm | zakkm: yes it does | 06:42 |
| GAN800 | Hum, it loses tabs and doesn't actually receive messages. | 06:42 |
| zakkm | GAN800: .. | 06:42 |
| GAN800 | Bad start | 06:42 |
| zakkm | ? | 06:42 |
| zakkm | its working fine? | 06:42 |
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| GAN800 | Not here | 06:42 |
| zakkm | i might of enabled it somewhere ? | 06:42 |
| zakkm | adium preferences - advanced ? | 06:42 |
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| zakkm | thats so cool i neve rknew that existed, i always used to type full name | 06:43 |
| GAN8001 | It also works in XTerm. ;) | 06:44 |
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| zakkm | have a n800 though | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a tab on the vkb | 06:45 |
| zakkm | oh cool | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, this isn't nick coloring. | 06:45 |
| zakkm | is that why when i started a command with tab, in my whole linux life, it was like do you want to list all ___ possibilities? | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nick coloring is where the client assigns a different color for each nickname | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | makes it easier to follow who's talking. | 06:45 |
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| zakkm | think i saw that on irc once | 06:46 |
| zakkm | irssi* | 06:46 |
| zakkm | generalantilles: its still just a nightly ;p its not in stable version yet, irc | 06:46 |
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| zakkm | still a nice start :) | 06:47 |
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| coeus82 | the pirate bay is officially down? | 06:49 |
| zakkm | is it? | 06:51 |
| zakkm | cops totally raided it? | 06:51 |
| zakkm | fined and jailed | 06:51 |
| coeus82 | looks like it was taken down today | 06:52 |
| zakkm | how goes the install? | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google is the new Pirate Bay, didn't you hear? | 06:52 |
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| coeus82 | apparently | 06:53 |
| zakkm | it always has been | 06:53 |
| zakkm | i never use torrents | 06:53 |
| coeus82 | installing sys-env-x as we speak | 06:53 |
| zakkm | have full megaupload + rapidshare premium's ;p | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RapidShare is handing over info to German authorities, just fyi. | 06:54 |
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| zakkm | im in canada :) | 06:54 |
| zakkm | and thanks | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, in today's world that doesn't mean a thing. ;) | 06:55 |
| zakkm | i always got my good defense :P | 06:56 |
| zakkm | it wasnt me :D | 06:56 |
| zakkm | open wifi, it was probably the neighbors | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodluckwiththat | 06:56 |
| zakkm | coeus82: something is happening with the main hub of TPB, but it is still running http://ipv6.thepiratebay.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/ | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "That's not my computer" doesn't even work with the RIAA. | 06:57 |
| coeus82 | ya.. I don't think it has anything to do with the recent verdict | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, burden of proof is slightly less rigorous in civil cases. | 06:58 |
| KurtKraut | I tried to call to the thepiratebay datacentet to ask if it was just a tech outage but they're not 24x7 | 06:58 |
| zakkm | what you talking about, thats a perfect defense | 06:58 |
| KurtKraut | *datacenter | 06:58 |
| zakkm | all it shows is it comes from your internet yes, | 06:58 |
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| zakkm | they have no actual proof thats its from my computer | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, don't say I didn't try to warn you. | 06:59 |
| zakkm | hah | 06:59 |
| zakkm | its a last resort :P | 06:59 |
| zakkm | also i dont download at home | 06:59 |
| zakkm | i have my highskoolfor that | 06:59 |
| zakkm | 85mbit :D | 06:59 |
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| luke-jr | hey | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | actually | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | how would putting the updates password in ebuilds be any different from Nokia themselves putting it in the public apt deb? | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't matter what you think about it. | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | What matter is that it satisfies the 3rd parties that Nokia licenses software from. | 07:08 |
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| luke-jr | so why wouldn't including it in ebuilds? O.o | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is ebuilds Maemo? | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did Adobe license Flash to Gentoo? | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 07:11 |
| zakkm | does it really matter? | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it matters. | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | and circumventing it will damage Nokia's relationship with open source and possibly with the companies it licenses software from. | 07:14 |
| zakkm | what exactly are we talking about? | 07:15 |
| zakkm | making closed source debs? | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, using the Diablo updates repository password in the apt source to grab licensed binaries for Gentoo. | 07:15 |
| zakkm | that gentoo port looks sick :) | 07:15 |
| pupnik_ | german government just forced DNS filtering on all isps | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | broke regular sites like http://www.reason.com/news/show/116787.html | 07:21 |
| pupnik_ | >_< | 07:22 |
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| coeus82 | Merkel! | 07:23 |
| slonopotamus | i don't like that 'for Gentoo'. | 07:25 |
| slonopotamus | tablet users download files for themselves | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but you can't distribute the keys with Gentoo. | 07:26 |
| slonopotamus | i don't. | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's obnoxious in the shortterm, but Nokia's working on relicensing their stuff. | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, that's what luke-jr seems to be proposing. | 07:27 |
| slonopotamus | what prohibits him from doing that? | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing more than, hopefully, his own consideration for the community's relationship with Nokia and Nokia's attitude towards open source. | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | my point was that Nokia shouldn't care because they already do it | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're clearly missing the point, then. | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia distributes the keys to authorized licensees of the software. | 07:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia tablets running Maemo (OS2008, more specifically). | 07:30 |
| slonopotamus | uh? how running different distros on _my_ tablet makes me either licensee or not? | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | Nokia distributes the keys to *anyone* | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | slonopotamus, you're free to go and download those binaries on your own. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look, we'd all REALLY appreciate it if you didn't try to circumvent Nokia's setup here. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's going to harm the community and it's going to harm Nokia's relationship with open source if you do. | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | I don't see how it would circumvent anything. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | That seems to be exactly it, you don't see. | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | then explain | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've tried to explain it. | 07:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | But evidently you'll just have to trust me that it's a bad idea. | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | how is it any different to add the Gentoo overlay vs add Nokia's apt repo and install Nokia's apt? | 07:32 |
| * slonopotamus rereads again | 07:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't license Flash for Maemo | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Maemo/Gentoo/ | 07:32 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Nokia doesn't license Flash for Gentoo | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: and that is relevant how? | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | They license it for a very specific set of releases for Maemo no a very specific set of hardware. | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | we're not even talking about Flash | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you talk about the update repo, that includes Flash. | 07:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have Stskeeps or Jaffa explain it, I've tried and failed. | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | the URI in the overlay would be used only for things we make ebuilds for | 07:33 |
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| slonopotamus | oh crap. luke-jr, does that gps stuff do something really complex so rewriting it isn't a good idea? | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: … | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | rewriting stuff is generally a bad idea without a good reason ☺ | 07:34 |
| slonopotamus | licensing crap is enough reason? :) | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | rewriting the ebuild won't affect licensing crap | 07:35 |
| * RST38h does not get why gps stuff is complex | 07:38 | |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: I think he's talking about using dd to remove the GNOME dependencies from gpsdriver | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | or actually | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | more likely the LD_PRELOAD half of that | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | I should probably slap a license on it | 07:40 |
| * luke-jr pokes slonopotamus | 07:41 | |
| slonopotamus | uh? | 07:42 |
| slonopotamus | dd??? woot! let's program in dd! | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | XD | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I guess you haven't looked at files/*.c yet? | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | please don't freak out | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | I'll slap a license on it when I'm done w/ this other stuff | 07:43 |
| slonopotamus | not yet | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: those make the ebuild look trivial ;) | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | how about installing to sd and fishing binaries from mtd? | 07:47 |
| zakkm | you guys talking about the gentoo port? | 07:47 |
| ShadowJK | instead of from repos | 07:47 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 07:47 |
| slonopotamus | and how that differs? | 07:48 |
| zakkm | if you want, i might be able to help with a small server for you guys | 07:48 |
| zakkm | make a repo out of it and such | 07:48 |
| zakkm | got a 160gb harddrive being unused you guys could use | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: I bet our repo is < 1 MB | 07:48 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, we have already | 07:49 |
| zakkm | not just a repo, whole server machine | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:49 |
| zakkm | root access and all | 07:49 |
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| zakkm | for compiling, and such , idont know | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | we compile on our N8x0 ;) | 07:49 |
| zakkm | that would take agess ;p | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | not really | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | just half an age | 07:50 |
| zakkm | repos should host binaries shouldnt it | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:50 |
| zakkm | its not like the hardware varies | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo doesn't do binaries | 07:50 |
| zakkm | yes it does | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | ok fine -.- | 07:50 |
| zakkm | hah | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | actually, sure, I could probably use it | 07:50 |
| zakkm | im a old gentoo user myself, just on desktop use | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | make binpkgs for stuff | 07:51 |
| zakkm | it would come to the same stuff, wouldnt it | 07:51 |
| zakkm | everyones nokia is the same | 07:51 |
| * luke-jr wonders how to mark the Nokia-based binpkgs so they don't get copied | 07:51 | |
| luke-jr | zakkm: CFLAGS can differ | 07:51 |
| zakkm | its not like a desktop/laptop where compiling would make a difference | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | etc | 07:51 |
| slonopotamus | restrict=nomirror | 07:51 |
| zakkm | cflags between tablets? | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | -Os and -O2 are unknown which is better | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: that's mirroring the SRC_URI, not binpkgs? | 07:51 |
| zakkm | between tablets ? | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: again, we dont' know if -O2 or -Os are better | 07:52 |
| zakkm | i heard -Os is better | 07:52 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, err... yep | 07:52 |
| zakkm | i forget who said it | 07:52 |
| zakkm | someone here did | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 07:52 |
| zakkm | had a reason for it | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | I think it's an open debate | 07:52 |
| zakkm | no, for tablet wise | 07:52 |
| zakkm | but even still, then it wouldnt matter much | 07:52 |
| zakkm | its much better than compiling it all | 07:52 |
| zakkm | a binhost would help, even just like openoffice-bin ... like adding -bin to packages | 07:53 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i think we can push binpkgs to gentoo mirrors directly. | 07:54 |
| slonopotamus | anyway, it's offtopic here :) | 07:54 |
| ShadowJK | I get the feeling on arm it's not about which flags makes gcc produce fastest code... more about which flags make gcc produce correct code... :) | 07:54 |
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| coeus82 | i'm on the last step of installing ubuntu-n8x0... what fstab do I need to edit? the one in maemo or jaunty? | 08:08 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: GCC produced wrong arm code for you? | 08:11 |
| ShadowJK | I've had it produce wrong code on x86 and x86-64 too :) | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Still, consistently producing wrong code is unusual | 08:41 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok | 08:52 |
| man_in_ltop | my crappy app is nearing completion | 08:52 |
| man_in_ltop | yay for python | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | fartapp.py? | 08:52 |
| man_in_ltop | no, crappy, not gassy :P | 08:52 |
| man_in_ltop | now where were those instructions on packaging it? :P | 08:53 |
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| luke-jr | hi Stskeeps | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: do you see any difference between Nokia putting their password-included apt in a public repo, and our Gentoo overlay including the password-included URI in a mirror list? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i just discussed this with slonopotamus in #mer | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | go with the .pl way, or drop in binaries, then you're aligned with what we do with mer. | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | and there's quite a big difference | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | second one allows any idiot to download the packages without having a n8x0, first one requires having a n8x0 | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | then you're doing exactly the same as Mer is doing when we're developing, until we (and hopefully you as well) move on to a saner way | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | eh, what stops Joe Random ARM user from adding Nokia's repo and installing their apt? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | their apt uses the kernel info to auth | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | oh, true | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | forgot about that bit | 08:59 |
| slonopotamus | what stops me from installing vanilla apt? | 08:59 |
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| luke-jr | … | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: vanilla apt won't work | 09:00 |
| Corsac | well, if the server request a signature you won't be able to authenticate | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | a Nokia guy joined, so let's shut up ;) | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 09:01 |
| ShadowJK | rofl | 09:01 |
| * man_in_ltop waves at Corsac | 09:02 | |
| * Corsac waves back | 09:02 | |
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| timeless | konttori? | 09:06 |
| timeless | konttori: please try to spell "lose" correctly | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | you loose! | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:06 |
| timeless | right. | 09:06 |
| Corsac | I'm a bit loose | 09:06 |
| Corsac | 1896 root 20932 DW< /usr/libexec/apt-worker check-for-updates | 09:07 |
| timeless | would someone please smack konttori until he fixes his blog post? | 09:07 |
| Corsac | ok, I guess I can wait for quite some time before this ends? | 09:07 |
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| Corsac | ha no, good | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, I think the guy we hired to do that is on sick leave. ;) | 09:07 |
| timeless | also, while you're smacking, please give him a lecture about "its" v. "it's" | 09:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless, did you see my MXR screenshot? | 09:08 |
| ShadowJK | i thought only native english speakers had issues with its it's :) | 09:09 |
| Corsac | fuck, maemo mapper is segfaulting again | 09:11 |
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| pupnik_ | Lol @ german government - passes a new law mandating DNS porn filters - here's the result from 2 hours ago - http://imagebin.ca/view/gxso9ot.html (resolve failure on google.de) | 09:12 |
| man_in_ltop | hehe | 09:12 |
| pupnik_ | temporary glitch - fixed now | 09:13 |
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| herz1 | pupnik_: I don't see how this is related to the child pornography filtering | 09:15 |
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| herz1 | this is just a dns failure | 09:15 |
| pupnik_ | t-offline has had DNS problems all week | 09:15 |
| herz1 | not over here... | 09:15 |
| herz1 | (which means at my other place) | 09:15 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 09:16 |
| pupnik_ | i've had about 80 failures the past few days | 09:16 |
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| ShadowJK | when .fi isps started using a dns redirect list (voluntary) maintained by the police, one of the sites blocked was an anti-censorship site :) | 09:16 |
| pupnik_ | i'm just sticking with them to see how bad it is | 09:16 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 09:16 |
| herz1 | pupnik_: they are doing better than many others, I've had Alice (Hansenet) and the current local isp | 09:18 |
| pupnik_ | ah ok | 09:18 |
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| ukki | morning | 09:20 |
| Corsac | pfff, debugging is just a pain | 09:21 |
| Corsac | maemo-mapper --help | 09:22 |
| Corsac | Segmentation fault | 09:22 |
| Corsac | OK! | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 09:23 |
| ShadowJK | maybe you need gdb :) | 09:23 |
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| ShadowJK | or strace | 09:23 |
| Corsac | and more room on / | 09:23 |
| Corsac | E: Package gdb has no installation candidate | 09:24 |
| Corsac | :( | 09:24 |
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| slonopotamus | muahaha :) | 09:26 |
| timeless | gan: no, url? | 09:27 |
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| * timeless wonders what interesting browser gan is using | 09:28 | |
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| GAN800 | timeless, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mxr-newstyle-test.jpg | 09:29 |
| Corsac | hmhm, it seems that it tries to read from the dbus system socket and fails | 09:30 |
| Corsac | connect(8, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"...}, 33) = 0 | 09:30 |
| Corsac | ead(8, "l\2\1\1\v\0\0\0\1\0\0\0=\0\0\0\6\1s\0\6\0\0\0:1.101\0\0\5\1u\0\1\0\0\0\10\1g\0\1s\0\0\7\1s\0\24\0\0\0org.freedesktop. DBus\0\0\0\0\6\0\0\0:1.101\0l\4\1\1\v\0\0\0\2\0"..., 2048) = 262 | 09:30 |
| Corsac | read(8, 0xa8e00, 2048) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) | 09:30 |
| GAN800 | timeless, the sidebar was a bad idea, but you get the gist. | 09:30 |
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| Corsac | though I'm not sure this is the cause of the segfault | 09:31 |
| timeless | hrm, can you use hg? | 09:31 |
| timeless | because you should be able to hg clone mxr.maemo.org | 09:31 |
| ShadowJK | 0 from connecr means success | 09:31 |
| timeless | and provide a diff :) | 09:31 |
| ShadowJK | eagain from read just means there was no data waiting to be read | 09:32 |
| timeless | is mxr.maemo.org community or development? | 09:32 |
| GAN800 | timeless, development. | 09:32 |
| Corsac | ShadowJK: yeah so it should be ok, the segfault won't be shown in strace | 09:33 |
| timeless | also, the footer you have has 'all content cc' | 09:33 |
| timeless | which wouldn't be right | 09:33 |
| GAN800 | But, yeah, I can get a patch together. | 09:33 |
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| timeless | thanks :) | 09:33 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, wow | 09:33 |
| GAN800 | How do you feel about converting the table layout to CSS? | 09:33 |
| Corsac | after a gconf reset: | 09:33 |
| Corsac | process 1637: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory | 09:33 |
| Corsac | scary | 09:33 |
| * Corsac reboots | 09:33 | |
| timeless | dunno | 09:33 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, gotta figure our an appropriate license line | 09:33 |
| timeless | personally i tend to use fairly old browsers | 09:34 |
| timeless | and text browsers | 09:34 |
| timeless | i could perhaps be persuaded | 09:34 |
| ShadowJK | that might be in a dbus faq somewhere, iirc | 09:34 |
| GAN800 | Well, I can give you both versions and you can decide later. | 09:34 |
| timeless | btw, which browser is that? camino? | 09:34 |
| GAN800 | OmniWeb | 09:35 |
| timeless | ah | 09:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | Corsac: dbus-uuidgen --ensure | 09:35 |
| GAN800 | Which is using the Safari 4 WebKit now. Wicked fast. | 09:35 |
| Corsac | Meiz_n810: I was running MM as root, that's why | 09:35 |
| Corsac | damn, still segfaulting | 09:36 |
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| timeless | one thing... i'd like to try to fix mxr so you don't have to skin it ~5 times | 09:41 |
| timeless | currently the header isn't actually so "common" :( | 09:41 |
| * timeless should try to fix that | 09:42 | |
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| thux | morning | 09:49 |
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| aquatix | good morning | 10:31 |
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| thux | offtopic, any jaunty users here? does your mouse work? my lap mouse freezes all the time :P | 10:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | thux: memememee | 10:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | but i don't have such problem | 10:36 |
| thux | lucky you | 10:37 |
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| thux | i got always psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost synchronization | 10:37 |
| mgedmin | hmm, there recently was one user complaining about mouse freezes in a local mailing list | 10:37 |
| mgedmin | my thinkpad works fine | 10:37 |
| thux | ok i got also apic error when it happens | 10:38 |
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| zakkm | anyone know why flasher would stop at | 10:43 |
| zakkm | Version of 'sw-release': RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 | 10:43 |
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| gnuton | Hi there | 10:47 |
| zakkm | http://franciscoalecrim.com/wiki/index.php?title=Maemo_N8x0:_kernel_2.6.29_and_open_source_wlan_driver wow kernel 2.6.29 maemo? | 10:48 |
| aquatix | wow | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | be aware that things probably don't work | 10:50 |
| zakkm | im just trying, just found out | 10:50 |
| zakkm | would you know why a flashing of diablo would stop at sw-release? | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:54 |
| thux | RST38h: moo | 10:56 |
| thux | zakkm: does it boot? | 10:56 |
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| thux | waited newer kernel for maemo long time | 10:56 |
| zakkm | not a clue | 10:57 |
| zakkm | im not even sure if it is for n800/810, it might be for like beagle board booting maemo or something | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | nah | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's for n8x0 | 10:57 |
| zakkm | worse comes to worse you reflash kernel, and only time is lost? i think | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:58 |
| zakkm | you guys try the app "knots" | 10:58 |
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| ukki | zakkm: yes | 11:05 |
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| zakkm | ukki: do you use osx? | 11:08 |
| ukki | yes | 11:08 |
| zakkm | i cant find the server download ;p | 11:08 |
| ukki | mostly linux though | 11:08 |
| ukki | u might want to try the rewrite | 11:08 |
| zakkm | the rewrite? | 11:09 |
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| ukki | vlc is a bit broken in os x atm | 11:09 |
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| ukki | 0.9.9a starts using cpu and becomes unusable after a while | 11:10 |
| zakkm | i use 0.9.9a vlc for all my video watching? | 11:10 |
| zakkm | has never failed me | 11:10 |
| ukki | seems to be fixed in nightly, but flash is broken in nightly :) | 11:10 |
| ukki | wanna test the rewrite? | 11:10 |
| zakkm | i want to use knots for my tablet ;p | 11:10 |
| zakkm | what rewrite? | 11:11 |
| ukki | http://github.com/solmis/knots/tree/master | 11:11 |
| zakkm | i just want to view my mac's videos on my tablet ;p | 11:11 |
| zakkm | over wifi | 11:11 |
| ukki | yes, that's what it's for :) | 11:11 |
| zakkm | have nothing to compile | 11:12 |
| zakkm | ohh | 11:12 |
| ukki | but that works with a browser + mplayer plugin or flash | 11:12 |
| zakkm | thats binary | 11:12 |
| zakkm | wow this is too complex | 11:12 |
| ukki | no need to compile anything, should work pretty much out of box | 11:12 |
| zakkm | i thought it was full gui , share... and then view on nokia | 11:12 |
| ukki | pm for install instructions if you want to test it, it's pretty simple really | 11:13 |
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| konttori | timeless: fixed | 11:16 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:18 |
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| johnx | morning Jaffa | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.12 :) | 11:33 |
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| * Jaffa wonders what interesting things may happen at the Nokia Developer Summit today/tomorrow | 11:42 | |
| RST38h | Nothing. | 11:42 |
| RST38h | There are no potential announcements to make | 11:43 |
| bergie | lots of PPT :-) | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | :) | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: There are lots of potential announcements to make - although many of the ones we're waiting for would be odd to announce at a developer, rather than industry/media/consumer focused event | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | well where was N810 announced? | 11:44 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Ah, list at least some | 11:45 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: 17 Oct 2007 at the Web 2.0 Summit | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Beta SDK, product announcement, launch timetable, ... | 11:47 |
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| mikkov_ | Tomorrow's agenda has "Update on Maemo" | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: indeed | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | awedsxz | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | Damnit | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Ok. Beta SDK is probably a bit off right now | 11:54 |
| mikkov_ | actually it's for wednesday | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Judging from the state of the Alpha SDK | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Product announcements are not made at developer events, usually, and we both know that n9xx will not be announced, it is also a bit off | 11:55 |
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| johnx | RST38h, but a beta sdk is exactly the thing to announce :) | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Launch timetables are commercial secret, so the best you can hope for is a launch timetable for the beta SDK | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Which isn't secret but does not have the impact of a n9xx sample being shown to the public =) | 11:56 |
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| RST38h | So, in short, there isn't much to announce | 11:56 |
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| woglinde | hi | 11:57 |
| * Jaffa would hope for an exciting device launch to start the hype machine with a "and you can start developing for it today, with the beta SDK available at maemo.nokia.com. The final SDK will be launched when the device goes on sale in 6 weeks!". But that's a h/w announce at a developer event, which doesn't make a lot of sense - but there aren't many other events on which to piggy back a device launch until OSiM World in September | 11:57 | |
| woglinde | where the heck I can get the libgles2-dev? | 11:57 |
| RST38h | We will most likely see more of Tracker and Clutter updates | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | With some cheesy demos | 11:58 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: in extras-devel non-free for fremantle. | 11:58 |
| RST38h | Maybe some demo of that media player extension framework | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Just put it there ;) | 11:59 |
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| woglinde | x-fade hm | 11:59 |
| woglinde | differs the deb line? | 11:59 |
| woglinde | I just tried | 11:59 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: For i386 it is there.. | 12:00 |
| woglinde | aeh | 12:00 |
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| woglinde | and for arm? not? | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: There were some problems in the SDK, so it is put in Extras-devel now to speed it up. | 12:00 |
| woglinde | from the opengl page its state the othwerway | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: I hope they fix the issue for the beta sdk. | 12:01 |
| woglinde | no packages for x86 | 12:01 |
| woglinde | hm maybee kate mixed something up | 12:01 |
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| woglinde | x-fade do you know what man has to do to be allowed to distribute the gles libs? | 12:02 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: I have no idea, you have to ask Kate that. | 12:03 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: It is a 3rd party lib. | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, whenever I try to favourite something on the new site under /news/ I get a blank page. | 12:04 |
| woglinde | x-fade hm okay, because Imagination Technologies ships the libs to the hw distributors and they give it to the enduser | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Yeah, but I don't think that you are then allowed to redistribute again. But I'm not sure.. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-tracking-for-people-waiting-for.html | 12:05 |
| RST38h | (if you have not seen it) | 12:05 |
| woglinde | x-fade hehe but then why nokia is allowed | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | probably they have an agreement :) | 12:06 |
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| X-Fade | woglinde: Well, I would imagine that they can because they license it? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28586 as well | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | (mer 0.12) | 12:07 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Little comment on the MER icon highlight (when the menu is open): purple is wrong, WRONG color | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, and i agree | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | wazd's been busy so :) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Sts: Unless, of course, it's done in secret worship of the Tentacled One | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | you never know.. :) | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | [there are rumors that the Tentacled One isn't green, as acolytes show him, but purple] | 12:11 |
| * ShadowJK just realized we'll have to live with "are we there yet?" for probably 6 months /after/ release too | 12:12 | |
| RST38h | Sts: In general, it looks pretty cool | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: mm? | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | first after product announcements but before launch people will be condemning/whining/etc over the specs, and doing pseudoreviews based on specs | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:14 |
| ShadowJK | then after launch people will whine about when will it be available in their favourite store | 12:14 |
| RST38h | Shadow: You mean the n9xx? | 12:16 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually, it can be just about any device :) | 12:16 |
| ShadowJK | yeah :) | 12:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: yea, but for the n9xx I have a precise list of predictions :) | 12:16 |
| RST38h | johnx: I can pretty much tell you where the clusterfuck will hit | 12:17 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 12:17 |
| johnx | I predict: initial whining that feature x, y and z were dropped, followed by healthy sales | 12:17 |
| pupnik_ | hardware or software wise? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Software wise | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Can't tell much about hardware because I have no data on it | 12:17 |
| pupnik_ | what will people yammer about loudest then? | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | There's whining *before* any device has been announced about the removal of the stylus (WTF?), the position of the dpad and all sorts. | 12:18 |
| * Jaffa wants a big stick | 12:18 | |
| ShadowJK | I wish there was a way to avoid twitter-itis whining | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea but it is all bogus we do not know yet | 12:18 |
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| ShadowJK | continued whining about microsd and microusb | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | i think nokia prioritizes their limited software resources quite well | 12:19 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Users will whine about battery life, weird new UI, and broken apps (browser, Modest being the top offenders) | 12:20 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Other complains will include Tracker slowing down the system and eating disk space | 12:20 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 12:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Developers will not like (and probably won;t use widely) the Clutter APIs | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.xkcd.com/ a tons of whining of the highly articulate and astute variety as in this comic, too ;p | 12:21 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: There probably will be some last moment screw up similar to what we have got with the Blizzard chip | 12:22 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Personally, I have no issues with Blizzard (it works fast enough for me) but you know how mileage differs for different developers... | 12:23 |
| ShadowJK | wouldnt it be much better if we never knew thered be another device | 12:23 |
| pupnik_ | what is blizzard? | 12:23 |
| ShadowJK | if they just srprised us one day | 12:23 |
| RST38h | pupnik: the chip that sits between OMAP2 and LCD display, slowing down screen updates | 12:23 |
| pupnik_ | oh interesting | 12:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik; Apparently introduced because OMAP2 does not support 800x480 natively | 12:24 |
| pupnik_ | yes i got that much | 12:24 |
| RST38h | OMAP3 should fix that, but my guess is some other similar screwup will be introduced somewhere | 12:24 |
| pupnik_ | anybody manage to lock-in 25-30 fps *real* *actual* refreshes? | 12:24 |
| pupnik_ | at reduced res | 12:24 |
| * RST38h does 25fps | 12:24 | |
| RST38h | at x2/x3 magnification | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | No idea if it is real 25fps but my frame counter shows the number | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | i never got rid of tearing in my nes emu | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | yes, lol | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | port | 12:25 |
| RST38h | well mine tears a bit as well but I do not care | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | not *my* nes emu | 12:25 |
| ShadowJK | the really interesting bit would be the differences in how blizzard is wired on n800 vs n810 when there have afaik been no reports of scrolling death on n810 so far | 12:25 |
| RST38h | tearing is really the smallest of my worries | 12:25 |
| pupnik_ | i don't like hardware lying to me | 12:26 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk does tear-free silksmooth :-) | 12:26 |
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| pupnik_ | i haven't seen such a thing yet | 12:26 |
| pupnik_ | and the gp2x nes emu runs at reported 90fps | 12:26 |
| pupnik_ | can't wait to see new dosbox with faster fmopl on omap3530 | 12:27 |
| pupnik_ | dur-de-dur | 12:28 |
| * ShadowJK goes back to staring at e75 and e71 specs, trying to decide | 12:28 | |
| RST38h | runnning XP! | 12:28 |
| wjt | E66! | 12:28 |
| ShadowJK | but e66 has no hsdpa | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Shadow: e71 if you can live with smaller keys but use your second hand for "other" stuff | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Otherwise e75\ | 12:29 |
| woglinde | wow | 12:29 |
| wjt | but E71 is *sidetalkin'* | 12:29 |
| woglinde | ups | 12:29 |
| ShadowJK | and did e66 support 3g on 900MHz at all? i forget | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Or just wait until the Tentacled One makes Nokia release a sequel to E70 | 12:29 |
| glass | wjt: how do you define sidetalking so that it applies to e71? | 12:29 |
| ShadowJK | I've given up hope on that one :( | 12:30 |
| ShadowJK | what is sidetalking? | 12:30 |
| glass | ShadowJK: ngage classic / 7700 proto, phone speaker on the side of the phone | 12:30 |
| RST38h | talking into the edge of your phone? | 12:30 |
| glass | which e71 doesn't do | 12:30 |
| RST38h | yea, it does not occur with e71 | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Shadow: have you given a thought to 5800 though? | 12:31 |
| ShadowJK | who the hell uses a phone for talking anyway, I thought they died off with the neanderthals ;p | 12:31 |
| glass | ShadowJK: you know, regular people you can't irc with either | 12:31 |
| wjt | glass: i'm using it in the "comically wide phone" sense | 12:31 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not so sure about the lack of keyboard on 5800 | 12:31 |
| glass | wjt: .. ? you ever held a e71? | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Shadow: It simulates keyboard pretty well | 12:32 |
| ShadowJK | yeah but touchscreen typing... blech | 12:32 |
| glass | ShadowJK: 5800 was a positive surprise for me | 12:32 |
| wjt | glass: sure, and it's pretty wide :) | 12:32 |
| pupnik_ | saw a nice Nokia product placement in the "Dark Knight" movie yesterday | 12:32 |
| pupnik_ | too bad it wasn't a N810 though | 12:32 |
| ShadowJK | yeah definitely it looks nicer in real life than i would have expected | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Shadow: it is not tat much different from typing on those e71/e75 keyboards | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Shadow: 5800 does provide tactile feedback to keypresses by using the rumble device | 12:33 |
| ShadowJK | except in a year or two the tochscreen is so insensitive it misses half your taps? | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Shadow: We did not have 5800 that long so I cannot tell | 12:34 |
| glass | dunno. i don't plan using it for a year or two | 12:34 |
| aquatix | too bad that E71 has a 2.5mm jack and not a `regular' 3.5mm one | 12:34 |
| RST38h | still better than that ugly plastic appendage with pins | 12:34 |
| aquatix | the N97 is damn nice, but damn expensive | 12:35 |
| glass | personally i'm going to grab a n96 | 12:35 |
| glass | n97 | 12:35 |
| glass | not n96 | 12:35 |
| glass | n96 sucks | 12:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: yeah, but i'd rather plug in my headphones directly | 12:35 |
| aquatix | glass: yeah | 12:35 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Use BT headphones, I do | 12:35 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder how it deals with opera mini... does it get a fixed amount of space o screen, and is that bigger area than on my e70 in fullscreen... | 12:35 |
| glass | ShadowJK: which? | 12:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i'd rather stick with my regular ones | 12:35 |
| aquatix | RST38h: which do you have? | 12:35 |
| ShadowJK | how 5800 deals with opera mini | 12:35 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Then suffer! ho ho ho ho | 12:36 |
| RST38h | me cackles evilly | 12:36 |
| aquatix | pffft :P | 12:36 |
| glass | ShadowJK: dunno, havent tried. the webkit supplied one has done it's job good enough | 12:36 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Some noname Chinese headphones I got from AT&T Wireless store for $60 | 12:36 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i have a feeling my sennheisers sound better | 12:36 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Given that E70 does not support A2DP, they sound as good as they can | 12:36 |
| aquatix | and cost less battery | 12:36 |
| ShadowJK | opera mini is my preferred choice, it's faster and eats less battery :-) | 12:37 |
| RST38h | ah, that is no problem | 12:37 |
| ShadowJK | I <3 my sennheisers | 12:38 |
| ShadowJK | small enough to wear at work | 12:38 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 12:38 |
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| * aquatix has px200 | 12:38 | |
| aquatix | small, but really decent sound | 12:38 |
| aquatix | and shields outside noises a bit | 12:38 |
| ShadowJK | do I remember wrong or does nokia have this box that's basically a2dp receiver with 3.5mm headphone output jack? that's an alternative too I guess | 12:39 |
| * ShadowJK has cx300 | 12:39 | |
| ShadowJK | only issue is that I need to eq bass down by about 12dB | 12:40 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: that still takes juice | 12:40 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 12:40 |
| aquatix | i'd rather have a simple setup that has long autonomy | 12:40 |
| ShadowJK | my e70 does 3-4 hours tops anyway | 12:40 |
| aquatix | especially nice when i'm going on a long trip | 12:41 |
| ShadowJK | oh yeah, that's what also makes e71 attractive, there's a big fat mugen battery with cover available for it | 12:41 |
| aquatix | otherwise i'd better get some dedicated music player with 32 hours of playing time | 12:41 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: an even fatter battery? | 12:41 |
| aquatix | i like how it has 1500mAh already | 12:42 |
| aquatix | same battery as the n810 | 12:42 |
| ShadowJK | well my e70 has 1000mAh or something | 12:42 |
| ShadowJK | and it manages 3 hours of shoutcast playback on average | 12:42 |
| aquatix | and offline playback? as in, from card? | 12:43 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 12:43 |
| aquatix | i wonder how long the n810 can do music playback when being completely offline | 12:43 |
| ShadowJK | for offline playback I use my mp3 player anyway | 12:43 |
| ShadowJK | now that I managed to solder it back to life again | 12:43 |
| aquatix | myeah | 12:44 |
| aquatix | i only have an oldish muvo^2 with 4GB microdrive | 12:44 |
| aquatix | works fine | 12:44 |
| aquatix | but i'd rather take some more music with me | 12:44 |
| ShadowJK | n8x0 are a bit bulky, and lack of hw keys for blind control is a big minus | 12:44 |
| aquatix | besides, it doesn't really like utf8 | 12:44 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: true | 12:45 |
| aquatix | ShadowJK: but i take it with me anyway | 12:45 |
| aquatix | and it takes a 16GB microsd | 12:45 |
| aquatix | n97 would be even more awesome; 32GB build-in and 16GB microsd | 12:45 |
| ShadowJK | I only take it with me on my unfortunate sidejob of removing malware from people's computers | 12:46 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:49 |
| aquatix | well, it's almost as trusty a companion for me as my cellphone | 12:50 |
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| man_in_pda | ok, so i have no idea how to code up hildon ColorChooserDialog in python :D | 14:13 |
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| man_in_pda | so, anyone happen to have sample code for hildon.ColorChooserDialog in python? | 14:54 |
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| man_in_ltop | i can't find anything on how to use ColorChooserDialog | 15:43 |
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| man_in_ltop | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Python_Hildon_Widgets_-_Part_1 << well, i found this | 16:00 |
| man_in_ltop | uses FontSelectionDialog | 16:00 |
| man_in_ltop | which is pretty much entirely unlike ColorChooserDialog :D | 16:01 |
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| man_in_ltop | blaargetty blaarg blaarg | 16:18 |
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| Myrtti | I agree wholeheartedly | 16:19 |
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| man_in_ltop | still not finding any useful docs on hildon python bindings | 16:24 |
| yerga | man_in_ltop, what need you about ColorChooserDialog? | 16:25 |
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| man_in_ltop | well, how to use it :D | 16:25 |
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| man_in_ltop | keep getting "Colour cannot be modified", can't work out how to get the OK or Cancel buttons to close it, can't work out how to get the selected colour (not that i can select a colour atm) | 16:27 |
| yerga | wait five minutes, I'll do a small testcase | 16:28 |
| man_in_ltop | yay | 16:28 |
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| yerga | man_in_ltop, http://pastebin.com/m1ca12018 | 16:36 |
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| man_in_ltop | neato, thanks | 16:38 |
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| lopz | hi | 16:40 |
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| man_in_ltop | very useful, yerga | 16:48 |
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| yerga | man_in_ltop, glad I helped ;) | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | heya qwerty | 17:21 |
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| qwerty12 | hey RST38h | 17:21 |
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| VDVsx | lardman|away, ping | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | bacon, lardman, bacon | 17:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:02 |
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| man_in_ltop | ok, that's interesting | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | RMS officially curses "software as a service" model | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | old | 18:19 |
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| man_in_ltop | sigh | 18:29 |
| man_in_ltop | hildon is weird and silly | 18:29 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | You'll have to be a little more specific than that... | 18:29 |
| man_in_ltop | that's not specific enough? | 18:30 |
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| man_in_ltop | ;) | 18:30 |
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| man_in_ltop | hildon.ColourButton is useful though | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | hai rm_you| | 18:30 |
| man_in_ltop | just the signal is called "setup-dialog", and in gtk it's "colour-set" | 18:31 |
| man_in_ltop | *"color-set" | 18:31 |
| man_in_ltop | which makes more sense? | 18:31 |
| rm_you| | hai | 18:31 |
| man_in_ltop | :P | 18:31 |
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| yerga | mmm, I need a name for a stocks application | 18:32 |
| yerga | suggestions? | 18:32 |
| man_in_ltop | StockThis | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | yerga: StockPy ;) | 18:32 |
| StsN800 | Cria | 18:33 |
| StsN800 | Crisis? | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | StockPy(le) | 18:33 |
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| man_in_ltop | StockItToMe | 18:34 |
| yerga | stockpy maybe, there isnt many results in google | 18:34 |
| yerga | crisis would be funny though ;) | 18:34 |
| man_in_ltop | StockUp | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | RedNumbers | 18:36 |
| man_in_pda | StockStack | 18:38 |
| yerga | I am going to open a poll in iTT, I am very undecided :) | 18:38 |
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| man_in_pda | boring | 18:41 |
| man_in_pda | you should just go for my suggestions | 18:41 |
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| qwerty12 | yerga: the application looks good. I lack in imagination however, so I can't suggest an name ;P | 19:13 |
| yerga | qwerty12, thanks | 19:13 |
| yerga | qwerty12, it happens to me too ;) | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | hehe | 19:14 |
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| man_in_ltop | bleh | 19:24 |
| timsamoff | yerga: Stocker | 19:24 |
| man_in_ltop | there appears to be no signal for when the colour of a hildon.ColorButton changes | 19:24 |
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| yerga | timsamoff, thanks, I like it ;) | 19:26 |
| timsamoff | yerga: Or... PersonalStocker. ;) | 19:26 |
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| man_in_ltop | ah | 19:28 |
| man_in_ltop | it emits "clicked" when the colour changes | 19:28 |
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| man_in_ltop | hmm, interesting issue now | 19:34 |
| man_in_ltop | first time my prefs window appears, it renders fine | 19:34 |
| man_in_ltop | then hide-on-close happens, and second time it doesn't draw, though the window is created | 19:35 |
| man_in_ltop | so if i click on the icon for it, the window is drawn correctly | 19:35 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, how one is supposed to investigate segfaults without gdb | 20:21 |
| Corsac | is there a gdb build available for the device? | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | magic? :Pa | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | and afaik, yes | 20:21 |
| qwerty12 | By installing it from the SDK repo... | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | in sdk repo | 20:21 |
| Corsac | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo4.1/tools free non-free ? | 20:24 |
| qwerty12 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free tools/free sdk/non-free tools/non-free | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | (well, tools doesn't contain gdb) | 20:25 |
| Corsac | ok | 20:25 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, doesn't seem to be in sdk either :/ | 20:31 |
| suihkulokki | Corsac: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node15.html | 20:33 |
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| Corsac | gdb | 6.8-3maemo2 | http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools/free Packages | 20:35 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 20:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Ah, sorry, my bad | 20:35 |
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| Corsac | #0 0x000471d4 in ?? () | 20:38 |
| Corsac | sighs :) | 20:38 |
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| Corsac | rah fuck and I really need more space | 21:00 |
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| slonopotamus | !earch gnome | 21:08 |
| slonopotamus | woops, wrong channel | 21:08 |
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| konttori_ | pupnik_: snes9x worked on the 'new' device out of the box (I just used your binary) | 21:57 |
| konttori_ | so, the binary compatibility of omap2 and omap3 is not only a myth :) | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | konttori_: pics or it didn't happen! ;p | 21:58 |
| konttori_ | lol! | 21:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | konttori_, well, the binary compatibility was never in doubt. | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least OMAP2 > OMAP3 | 22:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | What you can't do is take armv7 binaries and use them on OMAP2 devices. | 22:00 |
| konttori_ | well, it's nice to notice it anyway | 22:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't wait to steal all of the OpenPandora's emulators for Maemo 5. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: well, it's good they didn't mess up binary compatibility :> | 22:01 |
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| konttori_ | if we could only also steal the dpad of pandora | 22:01 |
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| * konttori_ really doesn't comment how god or bad, whether it exists or not on the new device, but what is sure, no nokia product after ngage has had a proper dpad. | 22:02 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd love to see a gaming-oriented tablet. | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | E-series tablet, N-series tablet, gaming tablet. | 22:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe I missed sub-$200 5800s from Dell. | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was LOOKING at a 5800 yesterday. . . . | 22:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28594 | 22:16 |
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| pupnik_ | o/ konttori_ | 22:22 |
| pupnik_ | wonder what happened to transmeta | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, would simply fetching packages from the Debian repos be an option for Easy Debian? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: would increase installation time 70x :/ | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 22:26 |
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| konttori_ | pupnik_: any chance that you could get the gp2x emultator working? | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | there's an emulator? | 22:43 |
| konttori_ | or do you even have time to work on it? | 22:43 |
| konttori_ | eh, gp2x ses emulator | 22:44 |
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| konttori_ | you were talking about that previously in itt | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | gp2x snes emulator i have 1/3-1/2 finished | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | it starts and loads the rom | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | ok 1/4-1/3 | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | i was happy to get it to not segfault | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | not much time really | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | makes more sense to wait for pandora versions i think | 22:45 |
| pupnik_ | since they're using a more standard set of libs | 22:45 |
| pupnik_ | and in terms of efficiency, anything i do takes way too much time. | 22:46 |
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| konttori_ | pupnik_: ok, thanks. I also think that waiting for the pandora version might make sense then. | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lo rm_you| | 22:54 |
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| rm_you| | lo Stskeeps | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | how goes? | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21638.html | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody think a Talk product for Bugzilla is worthwhile? | 23:57 |
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