IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-04-26

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thopiekarwhen will be talk.maemo.org be ready?00:07
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GeneralAntillesthopiekar, Reggie is supposed to have the templates done on Sunday.00:18
thopiekartomorrow?00:19
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GeneralAntillesSupposed to.00:20
GeneralAntillesDunno when the site will launch after that.00:20
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ShadowJKluke-jr: Ah, another one who's found the fun in LD_PRELOAD :)01:03
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luke-jrlbt: no01:04
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ShadowJKluke, can you make your own gtk.so, put in a dir somewhere not in usual library search path, and load gpsdriver with LD_LIBRARY_PATH (iirc) set?01:07
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luke-jrShadowJK: no need anymore01:13
ShadowJKhm?01:14
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lbtluke-jr: OK :)01:17
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luke-jryay, think GPS is working in Gentoo now, even if far from ideal02:19
luke-jr(first fix is always from scratch)02:20
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CutMeOwnThroatI thought it uses a proprietary bit03:32
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pupnikoh, camera app crashed the OS04:34
pupnikIf anyone is any good at ARM assembly language or general C optimisation, this would be a very good time to chat with the dosbox devs04:35
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pupnikand help them test / optimise their new sound blaster emulation code for the nokias04:36
pupniki.e. right now - while it's fresh in their minds04:36
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pupnikflag to RST38h , ssvb , lcuk , GeneralAntilles , derf04:38
derfHihi.04:38
GeneralAntillesHaha, emulator optimizations. Likely story. :P04:38
derfI'm sort of wrapped up in my own work at the moment.04:38
* pupnik is too04:39
pupnikfor me, it was the n810 d-pad that killed me.  fine for occasional clicks, not good for continuous directional control04:39
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derfI just spewed out 600+ lines of (x86) asm, and now I'm trying to see if any of it works.04:39
pupnikwow04:40
pupnikwhen i was 17, i could make fairly big changes and sometimes compile without errors04:40
derfYeah, so it's kind of important to do this while it's in my mind, too.04:40
pupnikin C04:40
pupnikyep - same dealybob04:40
pupnikstill nice to 'see you again04:40
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derfHey, almost 200 lines through before I made a mistake!05:20
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z4chhanyone else like how the n810 doesn't have a hump in the back like n800? ive got an n800 and don't really like that05:39
z4chhat least have only an n800 for one more day :)05:39
locutusi have a bigger aftermarket battryback, but it require a different facplate with such a hump05:41
locutusi rarely use it becaue of it :-(05:41
ShadowJKI like the bump on n80005:43
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GeneralAntillesAs do I05:43
z4chhShadowJK, i can see how you can, ive also not even held an n810 before yet05:44
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GeneralAntillesIt's a nice little grip05:44
z4chhmaybe i will appreciate it05:44
ShadowJKbut n810 with keyboard open is also gripppable05:44
z4chhdoes the keyboard lock in place?05:45
ShadowJKyeah05:45
ShadowJKbut also it creates a sort of bump on the front below the screen05:46
ShadowJKso it's easier to hold05:46
z4chhive heard the gps is not that great, does anyone actually use it pretty regularly?05:47
ShadowJKI do05:48
locutusi find the GP in the n810 unusable05:48
locutusi use a external BT GPS receiver05:48
z4chh:\05:49
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z4chhlocutus, your nick a reference to star trek by chance? >.<05:50
locutusno05:50
z4chhheh jw, ive heard the name on tng before05:51
ShadowJKI noticed I get much better track with it in pocket if antenna faces outward instead on inward, but I guess that should have been obvious to me :)05:51
z4chhantenna?05:51
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luke-jrholding N810 is difficult w/o keyboard open05:52
luke-jrone-handed anyhow05:52
ShadowJKz4chh: gps05:53
ShadowJKluke-jr: yeah05:53
z4chhluke-jr, even with big hands?05:53
luke-jrz4chh: dunno, I don't have huge hands05:53
luke-jrbut neither tiny either05:53
z4chhahh girl hands05:53
z4chhjk05:53
z4chh;p05:53
luke-jrno, my wife's hands are smaller ;)05:53
luke-jrkinda envy that sometimes05:54
z4chhhow good is "Sunlight readable transreflective display" on n810?05:54
luke-jreh, I can't read it in direct sunlight05:54
z4chhmakes a lot better than n800?05:54
luke-jrnever seen a N80005:55
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z4chhill have to do a comparison when i get my n81005:55
locutusif the contrast is high, its doable in unlight05:55
locutusbut i find it straining to read it05:55
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ShadowJKIt's readable as long as some brightmobject isnt mirrored in the gloss of the screen05:56
locutusyup05:56
z4chhdo the keys on n810 kb make click sound when pushed?05:56
locutusvery faintly05:57
ShadowJKyou have n800? they aren't unlike the back/menu/home keys05:57
ShadowJKthe biggest usability issue is that they're very flat05:57
z4chhoh really?05:57
z4chhso comparable to my n800's buttons?05:58
ShadowJKso it takes lots of practice before you can feel the keys with you fingers05:58
z4chhit probably beats the fullscreen touch kb on n800?05:59
ShadowJKthe n800 buttons are better05:59
ShadowJKyeah the it beats that imo05:59
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ShadowJKatleast you get better feedback from the n810 keyboard06:00
z4chhare you on n810 right now?06:00
ShadowJKplus you can actually see chat that you're replying to06:00
ShadowJKyeah I'm typing on n810 right now06:01
* ShadowJK just woke up, it's sunday and I'm too lazy to get out of bed :)06:01
ShadowJKi like my n800 too, it has more sensitive touchscreen, almost to the point where the fullscreen or stylus keyboard would be painless to use06:02
ShadowJKand browsing the web is nicer on n800 if you're just browsing06:02
z4chhcan you type and stylus at same time o.o06:02
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ShadowJKwhat? :)06:03
z4chhwell06:03
z4chhhold06:03
z4chhtype on n810 and hold stylus sametime06:03
z4chhim guessing n810 kb is all thumbs06:03
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ShadowJKyeah all thumbs06:04
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ShadowJKI'm holding the device in air infront of me and typing with thumbs, when I take my right hand off the device, my left thumb rests on the keyboard, below the screen, supporting the device06:05
ShadowJKI don't need to drop or put away the stylus to type, but holding device one handed and typing with same hand at same time isn't easy :)06:06
z4chhoh so you hold the kb portion06:06
z4chherr06:07
ShadowJKyeah06:07
z4chhwhat do you prefer your n800 for?06:08
ShadowJKweb browsing, the dpad is much nicer on n80006:09
z4chhuse dpad to scroll?06:10
ShadowJKyeah06:10
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z4chhill probably use my n800 for media mostly..it has 32gb06:10
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ShadowJKand with n800 your grip is higher up relative to screen, so you can scroll through touchscreen with the thumb of hand holding device06:11
ShadowJKoh yeah I watch stuff on n800 too, fullsize sd for the win :)06:11
z4chhdo you use the gps in car?06:13
ShadowJKyep06:13
z4chhhow does it compare to like a 100$ garmin gps? xD06:14
ShadowJKdunno :)06:14
z4chhor something similar06:14
ShadowJKmy dad has a tomtom06:14
ShadowJKthe tomtom's software is nicer than wayfinder06:14
ShadowJKthough n810 has bigger screen area06:15
pupnikcan maemo gizmo send video calls to a PC/linux gizmo client?06:15
pupnikeven if he has no webcam installed?06:15
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pupnikor do i need to turn something on to enable video-sending on gizmo..06:15
z4chhthanks for the n810 experience sharing ShadowJK ...i cant wait to get mine monday06:17
ShadowJKas for the gps, for me when I switch it on leaving the house, walk 10m to car, put n810 on dashboard on the kickstand, take phone and wallet out of pocket, put phone in its stand and connect charger, the n810 has acquired gps fix06:19
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ShadowJKit's near impossible to get a first fix indoors though06:21
luke-jrz4chh: n810 key clicks are speaker06:23
luke-jrShadowJK: I have much better success indoors getting a fix06:23
luke-jrwell, at home anyhow06:23
ShadowJKI know some cars have windows that dampen gps signal :(06:24
ShadowJKand if you're just outside holding n810 with left hand like I do, you're blocking the gps antenna with your hand, which probably doesnt help :)06:25
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ShadowJKalso, n800 has softer edges, n810 has some sharp edges that can cause pain in prolonged use :)06:33
luke-jr>_<06:38
luke-jrglad to know where antenna is now06:38
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Shadow__Xi prefer holding a n810 over a n80006:43
Shadow__Xfits easier in my hands06:43
ShadowJKupper left, on the back06:44
ShadowJKbehind the plastic :)06:44
GAN800I hope they put a good keyboard on the next one.06:44
pupnikGAN800: can a maemo gizmo send video to a normal linux gizmo client (debian)?06:45
GAN800Only Gizmo 406:45
pupniki just called a dude on debian and he saw no webcam06:45
pupnikahhh06:45
ShadowJKeven if it wouldnt be physically better, i hope it has programmerfriendly layout06:45
pupnikhe probably had gizmo506:45
GAN800Linux Gizmo doesn't support video06:45
pupnikuh oh ok06:45
GAN800Linux and OS X have 3.x still06:45
pupnikwow06:46
GAN800You need 4.x unfortunately06:46
pupnikmaemo -- lightyears ahead!06:46
pupnikthank you General06:47
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derfWhee, it works. There were only 3 mistakes in the whole thing.07:02
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pupnikcongrats07:06
pupnikhmm gizmo also closed source07:06
pupnikok.  then ekiga perhaps07:06
luke-jrheh, I forgot about that :x07:08
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lopzgn08:19
waloong08:19
waloogm !08:20
radicgood morning08:21
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radicwhere are the configs of the apache-port?08:26
pupnik/etc/...?08:29
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timelessping08:30
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timelessanyone here familiar w/ css?08:30
waloocss for web or css for dvd ?08:31
timelessweb08:31
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walooha so.. yes08:33
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CutMeOwnThroatabout that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad mood08:42
luke-jr08:43
CutMeOwnThroats/mood/move/08:43
infobotCutMeOwnThroat meant: about that stolen N810... I thought about it and stealing this together with the other stuff could have really been a bad move08:43
pupnikyou stole a N810?08:43
CutMeOwnThroatno, zap said his was stolen somewhere in the backlog08:44
CutMeOwnThroatand with gps and wireless and sshd, that could really make a handy theft-prevention...08:44
pupnikmaybe we should make a pinger applet08:45
CutMeOwnThroathm, I just thought making it register with dyndns on connect would be enough... but it's of course not true08:45
CutMeOwnThroatI must be tired... hell, I am :)08:45
pupnikheh08:45
pupnikwonder if gpsd can be started without any gui08:46
CutMeOwnThroatguess all wireless routers NAT port 22 away.... what a pity08:46
CutMeOwnThroatwell, it might make a blinking icon08:46
CutMeOwnThroatquestion is how hard it is to read out08:46
pupnikgreat idea08:47
CutMeOwnThroatbut that would be quite nice.... ring on the door of a hous08:47
CutMeOwnThroateeexcuse me, but someone ere stole my N81008:47
CutMeOwnThroatyeah, but you need more than just to register with dyndns08:48
pupnikwhy do you need dyndns08:48
pupnikoh your own pc08:48
pupniknm08:48
CutMeOwnThroatno, I meant for the tablet08:48
pupniki was thinking of running a service on a website08:48
pupniktablet doesn't need dyndns08:49
pupnikit *originates* the pings08:49
CutMeOwnThroatso how would you reach the tablet?s08:49
pupnik"phone home"08:49
pupnikby identifying the pings08:49
CutMeOwnThroatgps would be normally off...08:49
CutMeOwnThroatso a ping would give you an ip08:50
pupnikhmm, no nm08:50
CutMeOwnThroatwhich might or might not be enough08:50
pupniknot for a home router setup08:50
pupnikonly for an online host or a linux firewall08:50
CutMeOwnThroat?08:50
pupnikso you can make an alert and a log with the firewall/iptables08:50
CutMeOwnThroatI don'3t see what you mean08:50
pupniki was just thinking of initiating communications the other way around08:51
pupnikit could work either way, for different setups08:51
CutMeOwnThroatyes, but this way you need a permanent host on the web08:51
CutMeOwnThroathm... perhaps not08:51
pupnikbut the dyndns still would hang at the nat08:51
pupnikso my way is better08:51
CutMeOwnThroatwhat would be your way exactly...08:51
pupniknokia gets stolen.  nokia gets turned on and hooked to internet08:52
luke-jrpupnik: I have gpsd running w/o GUI08:52
pupniknokia starts a pattern of 3 pings in a row to a host you control08:52
pupnikcool - thought it should work08:52
pupnikyou get the source ip of the ping from the firewall08:52
pupnikyou ssh into the nokia and start the gpsd script08:52
luke-jrpupnik: nstx + GPS + webcam08:53
luke-jris my idea08:53
pupnikwahahaha08:53
CutMeOwnThroatno, you can't ssh in, because the tablet is natted08:53
pupnikwith ID08:53
pupnikoh duh08:53
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: nstx08:53
CutMeOwnThroatafaik all wireless conns are natted08:53
pupniktablet has to ssh out to a host autmatically when turned on08:53
pupniksorry i'm being tired and stupid08:53
CutMeOwnThroatyeah, the webcam is also a neat feature :)08:53
luke-jrnstx = VPN over DNS ;)08:53
CutMeOwnThroatyes, it has08:53
luke-jrnobody blocks DNS08:54
pupnikwhoahhhhh08:54
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pupnikstop making the walls go bendy08:54
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, yeah, that'3s not bad... but you want to keep overhead low for the 99.99999% of the time it'3s not stolen, mind08:54
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: yeah08:55
pupnikyou could disable it with a keycode or smth08:55
CutMeOwnThroatbut yeah, that WOULD work08:55
luke-jrso write a sane nstx08:55
luke-jrwhen no traffic, it pings once a minute08:55
CutMeOwnThroatwhat would also work is port-forwarding08:55
pupnikwhat's the preferred way to stream n810 webcam to a *nix PC?08:55
pupnikyou don't control the router on the theif's end08:55
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: I want to get info if they're at a McDonald's08:55
luke-jrwhich means DNS to bypass the pay portal08:56
CutMeOwnThroatwell, actually I've seen pay portals who block dns08:56
pupnikthe walls are meowling in rubber voices08:56
CutMeOwnThroathm08:56
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: they can onyl proxy it08:57
CutMeOwnThroatthey just redirect everything to their local host08:57
luke-jrw/o any DNS you wouldn't get their site08:57
CutMeOwnThroatuntil you authentify08:57
luke-jrand Windows has buggy DNS caches08:57
luke-jrso they can't do temp resolves to a diff IP08:57
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CutMeOwnThroathm, I actually wonder about icmp08:58
CutMeOwnThroatI've seen ping blocked rather often also08:58
CutMeOwnThroatI've also seen tcp blocked and udp forgotten08:58
luke-jrlol08:59
CutMeOwnThroatpossibly because it's  harder to figure incoming from reply than with tcp08:59
luke-jrwould be funny if IPv6 worked and was unblocked08:59
CutMeOwnThroatheh08:59
CutMeOwnThroatanyway - if it finds an open net, it could do ssh -t -L 22:localhost:2222 myhost  or somesuch09:01
CutMeOwnThroatthen one could ssh back on myhost09:01
CutMeOwnThroatvia port 222209:01
luke-jr-R09:01
luke-jrnot -L09:01
CutMeOwnThroatof course, for that it must be configured to automatically connect to any open wlan09:01
luke-jryup09:01
luke-jrbut you need Gentoo for the GPS-all-the-time anyway09:02
CutMeOwnThroat?s09:02
luke-jr.09:02
CutMeOwnThroatyou start gps over ssh09:02
CutMeOwnThroatand the camera :)09:02
luke-jr:p09:02
luke-jrpretty sure Maemo will force the stupid red light on09:02
luke-jrunless it's in hardware :/09:02
CutMeOwnThroatwell, would he know what it means :)09:03
CutMeOwnThroatanyway, I like the idea of after-theft protection09:04
CutMeOwnThroat"the geek strikes back"09:04
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luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: meh09:05
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: after upload complete, turn LCD on with pic09:05
luke-jrand text09:05
CutMeOwnThroatnah09:06
luke-jr"This device is stolen. Call 1-800-xxx-xxxx within 5 minutes or the police will be given your picturez!"09:06
CutMeOwnThroatjust call the police09:06
CutMeOwnThroatperhaps there's a reward for your trouble :)09:06
luke-jridentify the state the N810 is in, and record the call if legal09:07
luke-jr09:07
CutMeOwnThroatzap at least would have a hard time getting a picture if all his stuff was stolen...09:07
CutMeOwnThroatprobably professionals09:07
CutMeOwnThroatnot using the stuff, just selling09:07
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luke-jrw00t09:09
luke-jrconfirmed: Gentoo can use camera w/o red light09:09
CutMeOwnThroatheh09:10
luke-jrCutMeOwnThroat: professionals know to turn off devices immediately?09:10
CutMeOwnThroatthey don't look into it, playing around with their new tablet09:10
luke-jrthey don't need to09:11
luke-jrjust stream some video09:11
luke-jrsurely you'll see someone09:11
CutMeOwnThroatnot if it's in a box waiting to become a bit cooler09:11
CutMeOwnThroatgentoo, meh09:12
luke-jreventually09:12
CutMeOwnThroatbattery lasts only a limited time09:12
luke-jro09:13
luke-jrwebcam uses more battery? ☺09:13
CutMeOwnThroatwlan does09:13
CutMeOwnThroatgps does09:13
CutMeOwnThroatwebcam... well, surely uses some09:13
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CutMeOwnThroatthere's no such fing as free lunf09:13
luke-jrwhy does GPS? O.o09:14
luke-jrit's just receiving radio waves09:14
luke-jrpassive stuff09:14
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CutMeOwnThroat*=shrug*=09:15
CutMeOwnThroatthought I saw that in the n810 manual09:15
CutMeOwnThroatI might be wrong09:15
CutMeOwnThroatwtf, the pdf reader doesn't have a search function09:16
qwerty12Use Evince09:17
* CutMeOwnThroat longs for xpdf09:17
CutMeOwnThroatbut yeah09:17
timelesspdf readers from a few years ago sucked like that09:17
CutMeOwnThroatbedtime, I guess09:18
qwerty12CutMeOwnThroat: the default viewer seems to use xpdf source: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ ...09:18
* timeless isn't sure if anyone actually filed a bug to fix that09:19
CutMeOwnThroatweird09:19
timelessand yes, it annoys those of us who use the app internally too09:20
CutMeOwnThroatall the xpdf features are missing...09:20
CutMeOwnThroatlike... search, continuous view09:20
qwerty12timeless: according to andre, half the bugs of the default pdf viewer were marked as "fixed by evince" by the reporters...09:20
luke-jrxpdf sucked from my memory09:20
CutMeOwnThroatnot even reread09:20
luke-jrheck, I don't remember a UI09:20
CutMeOwnThroatluke-jr, what did it suck from your memory09:20
CutMeOwnThroatah, nm09:20
timelessqwerty: internal or external?09:21
qwerty12timeless: external09:21
Macerhello09:23
MacerStskeeps: you get it?09:23
Stskeepsyes - its in fine shape09:23
Macerawesome09:24
Macerhope it helps09:24
Macerok. going to sleep09:24
Stskeepscya and thanks09:25
Macerjust wanted to make sure it got into your hands09:25
Stskeepstalking to you from it09:25
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timelessstskeeps: how are you w/ css?09:34
* timeless needs some help :)09:34
Stskeepstimeless: utter crap sadly09:35
timelessanyone else here? :)09:35
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plastunhi2ll09:36
plastunhmm... i use rcfile for UI customization in my app. And if i increase width of GtkHScale it looks not as big slider, it looks as double slider. Is it normal?09:37
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* man_in_ltop waves09:43
Stskeepsmorning09:44
man_in_ltopLIES09:44
man_in_ltopso, i'm wondering, how easy is it to develop for maemo?09:46
Stskeepsheh, good question09:47
Stskeepsif you can read the docs it helps09:47
Stskeepsif you're from a unix background where you assume things are sane, you will get frustrated :)09:47
man_in_ltophmm ok09:47
timelessstskeeps: does mxr.maemo.org look ok?09:47
* Stskeeps looks09:47
man_in_ltopanything in particular that's insane?09:48
Stskeepstimeless: in firefox3 yeah09:48
timelessi'm trying to get it to match www.maemo.org09:48
Stskeepsman_in_ltop: scratchbox in particular, but that's my own opinion09:48
Stskeepstimeless: i thought "oh, he added newstyle theming" when seeing it09:48
man_in_ltopok, so what's scratchbox? :P09:48
timeless:)09:48
Stskeepsman_in_ltop: scratchbox is the cross-compilation environment for maemo os09:48
man_in_ltopok09:49
* Stskeeps glances at the huge build of Mer on OBS09:50
Stskeepstimeless: had a good trip to istanbul?09:50
timelessyep09:50
timelessthanks :)09:50
* timeless should download photos and such09:50
* Stskeeps had a good trip to poland too but glad to be back home.09:51
plastunman_in_ltop: hi! do tou know Python?09:51
man_in_ltopyes09:51
Stskeepstablet + a fon router really comes in handy.09:51
man_in_ltop:)09:51
Stskeepsnext time around i should flash my tablet with RNDIS kernel so i can hook it up via USB to XP machines though.09:51
plastunthan scratchbox dont need you09:51
man_in_ltophehe09:52
man_in_ltopi'm thinking about porting nethack :P09:52
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man_in_ltopunsure if a nethack gui can be written in python :)09:55
keesjthere already are some nethackak ports09:57
man_in_ltopi saw "crawl" in the apps list09:58
man_in_ltophttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/nethack/ << ah09:58
man_in_ltopthat looks quite nice09:58
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qwerty12"run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:'com.nokia.mce' string:'/com/nokia/mce/request' string:'com.nokia.mce.request' string:'devlock_callback' uint32:'3'" to lock the tablet remotely BTW. Took me fucking 20 mins and looking through leaked sources to come up with that10:02
Stskeepsyay mce10:02
Stskeepsyou locked your tablet accidentially? :P10:03
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qwerty12Nah, I'm porting anyremote and one of its script has a locking feature where it locks the tablet when the phone disappears so I'm replacing its usage of the KDE locker with the Maemo one10:03
man_in_ltopok10:04
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man_in_ltopso ... are there any docs/tutorials on developing python apps for maemo? :D10:06
qwerty12http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html10:07
man_in_ltopty10:08
keesjqwerty12 did you know the existance   of dbus-monitor --system10:09
qwerty12keesj: I know, but it doesn't work for the request method - I only get a signal which is useless to me10:10
keesjstill 20 minutes to get anything out of dbus is fast!10:13
qwerty12:)10:15
qwerty12I can't see a method to unlock it, I really don't want to have to resort to "/etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart"10:16
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qwerty12Doh, the same command but with _close instead works >.<10:18
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man_in_ltophmm10:27
man_in_ltopi really wish nokia had supplied a m/f micro usb adapter instead of a m/m micro-usb to usb-a cable10:28
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man_in_ltopon the plus side, YAY vim10:33
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ShadowJKusb-a female-female adapters are easy enough to find10:35
man_in_ltopmaybe10:35
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man_in_ltopbut i don't have any here :D10:35
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man_in_ltophttp://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PA0921 << not exactly the cheapest device either10:37
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* RST38h moos10:40
ShadowJKcompare with powered usb hub :)10:40
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thuxmorning10:43
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man_in_ltopmeh10:46
man_in_ltoppowered usb hub costs what, au$15 or so10:46
ShadowJKheh10:47
ShadowJKi found my f-f adapter for <1e in a local shop10:47
ShadowJKbut hub was 20 without powersupply :/10:48
man_in_ltopnice10:48
man_in_ltopmail me one!10:48
man_in_ltopi'm in .au :P10:48
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ShadowJKI could fax it ;)10:49
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man_in_ltopyay10:50
lcuk_9fingermornin10:50
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man_in_ltophmm11:02
man_in_ltopjust installed ssh server on my n81011:02
man_in_ltopwhat's the password for user? :)11:02
RST38hmoo lcuk11:02
* lcuk_9finger tries to wave11:03
Corsachmhm, has someone used geoportail tiles with maemo mapper?11:03
lcuk_9fingernot me sorry11:05
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JaffaMorning, all11:20
Stskeepsmorning jaffa11:21
timelesshello11:21
* timeless is doing house cleaning11:21
lcuk_9fingermornin jaffa \o11:22
* Stskeeps is fixing weird hildon desktop bugs11:22
Stskeepsfirst time in 12 months i've -really- had to sit down with gdb and find a problem, heh11:22
konttoriHey, is there a python API for creating fremantle home screen applets?11:23
lcuk_9fingeri would like to fix bugs, but i can barely type11:23
* timeless cries11:23
* timeless screwed up11:24
lcuk_9fingeru cleaned the wrong house?11:24
timelessstskeeps: ping11:24
Stskeepspong :P11:24
timelessdo you have a cached copy of my pages?11:24
timelessi need a page from cache11:24
Stskeepswhich per chance?11:24
timelesssite.css11:24
konttoritimeless: is there some gecko canvas widget available in fremantle?11:25
timelesspossibly /style/site.css or /something/site.css11:25
timelesskonttori: i'm pretty sure it is11:25
konttoriThat I could use if I want to create a web runtime homescreen applet11:25
konttoriah. cool.11:25
konttoriHmm... Is that available on the alpha sdk already? /me googles11:25
Stskeepstimeless: gah, firefox cache is unreadable to the human eye11:26
timelessi think we weren't supposed to push a browser for alpha11:26
timelessstskeeps: about:cache11:26
timelessit's probably in 'disk' instead of 'memory'11:26
Stskeepswant a hexdump? :P11:26
timelesspastebin it?11:27
timelessi'll live :)11:27
timelessit's better than rewriting from scratch, and i have text editors which can help11:27
Stskeepshttp://rafb.net/p/zjwi5898.html11:27
timelesshrm11:27
timelessactually11:27
* timeless puzzles11:27
Stskeepsyou can probably perl up something that goes hexdump -> file ;)11:28
lcuk_9fingerheh u werent expecting quite that drastic lol11:28
timelessok, something *else* is wrong11:28
* timeless gets confusd11:28
lcuk_9fingermornin konttori11:28
konttori9 finger?11:28
timelessoh, i'm stupid :)11:29
timelessok11:29
timelessoh cute11:29
timelessi have a file here...11:29
timelessbut it isn't managed by hg11:29
timelesswell... that's a clever solution11:29
lcuk_9fingerkonttori: you are not listed over there >>> pm me pls11:31
timelessoh well11:32
timelessjaffa/konttori: mxr.maemo.org got a visual refresh11:32
timelessi might try to give it a content refresh this week11:32
Jaffatimeless: cool11:32
timelessit depends on how much time i lose rebuilding the 5 or so computers i need to rebuild atm11:32
konttoritimeless: cool11:32
timelessa friend's Vista laptop, my mac laptop, my work desktop, some vms11:33
timelessplus whatever work comes around11:33
* Jaffa should get dressed and look after the kids11:33
timelesscould someone please look through it and give me some comments?11:33
timelessit does feel better than the old layout11:33
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timelessthere are basically 10 pages in mxr: /, /tree, /tree/{diff,ident,search,find}, /tree/source/dir, /tree/source/file, /tree/search-help.html11:34
timelesswell, that's 9, it's probably i've missed one :)11:34
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timelessbtw, is http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2007/install_button_small.png going to get a refresh?11:37
timelessit looks bad when people include it into planet.maemo.org :)11:37
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zeenixtimeless: somehow the new planet.maemo.org doesn't render nicely on my iceweasel :(11:38
lcuk_9fingertimeless: people are starting to look at fremantle sdk, is it possible to include it in your mxr?11:38
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Stskeepswoo, nailed the bug!11:38
lcuk_9fingercrap, gotta go11:38
qwerty12timeless: it's been replaced with http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/icons/application_install.png11:39
timelesslcuk: it's on my todolist11:39
lcuk_9fingerwatch your fingers when hammering11:39
* man_in_ltop hands Stskeeps a hammer to nail it on the head11:39
lcuk_9fingercool timeless11:39
timelessqwerty12: but people have hard coded it into their blogs11:39
timelessand the rss is syndicated...11:39
qwerty12timeless: ahh :/11:39
lcuk_9fingertimeless: replace the file itself11:39
lcuk_9fingeranyway, back to the uk for me11:40
timelesslcuk: not my file :)11:40
lcuk_9fingerkonttori: cya later11:40
lcuk_9finger\o folks11:40
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* timeless chuckles11:43
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timelesssomeone wanna tell SebaSOFT that using the alias 'SebaSOFT' for a bug isn't proper use of that field? :)11:44
* timeless sighs11:45
timeless503 is depressing11:45
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lbt~root11:50
infobotsomebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.11:50
lbt~getroot11:50
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Stskeepsrootsh?11:52
qwerty12~root-access11:52
infoboti guess root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access11:52
lbtthat's the one :)11:53
lbtI have some guy who can't get qt installed on his tablet emailing me11:53
lbtmentioned Gronmayer11:54
lbtwhich is some kind of mirror I guess11:54
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lbthmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc"11:56
qwerty12http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly11:56
lbtyeah, I think it needs pointers to a windows + linux client and a few brief comments on connecting and saying "hi"11:58
timelessit's linked from http://maemo.org/community/ :)11:58
timelessnah11:58
timelessmibit11:58
lbtOK11:58
timelesshttp://www.mibbit.com/11:58
timelesssomeone could even try to make mibbit fit into maemo if they like11:59
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timelessok, i've sealed my branding changes11:59
timelesssomeone should ping me when the 'beta' bit drops of if they have any issues they care about11:59
timelessand i really will try to get the sdk pushed11:59
timelessbut ... gah11:59
lbthmm, wondering if I could make a mibbit tinyurl or something11:59
mib_29xvwci0hello me12:00
lbthi12:00
timelessanyone here wanna help me rescue a wVista laptop that does'nt boot? :)12:00
lbtsure, I have a debian installer iso12:00
* timeless rotfl12:00
timelesshttp://widget.mibbit.com/manager/12:00
lbtsorry though - I've not even seen vista :)12:00
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timeless+#maemo12:00
timeless<lbt:#maemo> hmm there's no wiki page on "#maemo on irc"12:00
timeless*** Signoff: zac ("Leaving.")12:01
timeless<qwerty12:#maemo> http://maemo.org/community/irc/ possibly12:01
timelessLook. It's 2008. Each time you visit without javascript, another frog dies (It's automatic - wires from webserver to frog electricution chair. Took me 3 weeks to wire that). YOU are responsible. How does that make you feel? hmm? Save frogs. Enable javascript.12:01
timeless)2009 Mibbit (tm)12:01
* lbt slowly steps away from the keyboard12:02
timelesshttp://widget.mibbit.com/manager/12:03
timelesswould help you setup a widget..12:03
Stskeepslbt: gronmayer is a search engine for repositories12:03
Stskeepsusually it means trouble when someone mentions custom repos :P12:03
lbtyes... but I'm no good at user support via email - just don't have the maemo user background :) So if I drag him here then I can throw you lot at him :)12:04
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mib_lbthi12:33
mib_lbtcould someone visit http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC and try the mibbit link12:33
mib_lbtmake sure it works (in case it's using cookies for me)12:34
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qwerty12I guess so12:35
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lbtcool12:35
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lbtmmmmh12:37
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RST38hMOO?13:15
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Stskeepsm00.13:15
wazdRST38h: hola)13:15
RST38hheya wazd, Sts13:16
RST38hwazd: some guy from itt wants larger-than-buttons sensitive areas in ati8513:17
RST38hwazd: you think this will fly? I am kinda sceptical, there will be too many false clicks IHO13:17
RST38hs/IHO/IMHO13:17
StskeepsRST38h: it can be hard to hit with a stylus sometimes13:18
Stskeepsif they're too small13:18
* Stskeeps has problems with links.13:18
* RST38h also has problems with links but the ati85 buttons are way bigger than that13:18
wazdRST38h: well, in fact you have larger-than-buttons zones in calc selector and I had no false clicks with it13:19
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RST38hwazd: calc buttons are smaller and more tightly packed13:20
RST38hgoing to let this guy come up with his own sensitive area map and try it out =)13:21
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wazdRST38h: good idea :D13:21
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wazdI'm heading to St-Petersburg today, to the FRUCT conference13:23
Stskeepsooh, good luck :)13:24
wazdStskeeps: thats way I'm outa development now, was making a presentation :)13:24
Stskeepshehe13:25
RST38hwazd: Good luck, do not drink too hard =)13:26
wazdRST38h: well, I've never been there and  I have a lot of comrads so it would be extremely difficult not to :)13:28
* Stskeeps ponders idly what to do to fix the problem with his tablet.13:33
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Stskeepshm13:35
Stskeepsthat's interesting13:35
Stskeepslooks like thereÃ's a small cut in the LCD connector13:36
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wazdCan anyone tell me where hildon icons are held in maemo?14:23
wazd usr/share/icons?14:23
wazdoh yep, I was right :)14:24
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ShadowJKsts: conductive glue?14:31
StskeepsShadowJK: not sure14:32
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ShadowJKand how does the unmovable n800 cable develop a cut? :)14:35
Stskeepsi have no idea. and it isn't that unmovable.14:36
ShadowJKand what were the serious n800 quality issues that the former nokian on itt spoke of14:36
ShadowJKI mean I could understand it on n810 when the screen slides up and all...14:36
Stskeepsyeah, but if you look inside the n800, it isn't -that- firmly held together14:37
* ShadowJK shakes his and listens14:37
Stskeepshehe14:37
ShadowJKthat service manual was awesome to read, gives you a new appreciation for the devices :)14:39
Stskeepsi still wonder if the thing actually has a vibrator in it14:39
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ShadowJKthe wlan test box is both hilarious and awesome at the same time14:39
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ShadowJKLike, from the pictures it appears to be a d-link consumer wireless ap, in its plastic casing, with a few modules daisy chained to its antenna output, probably signal dampers, and this all put inside a milled aluminium box with insanely thick walls14:41
ShadowJKand a grid on the outside of box to align the device on14:41
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ShadowJKunfortunately it didn't answer what i was looking for: acceptable sensitivity level of touch layer14:43
ShadowJK:/14:43
Stskeepsschematics? :P14:43
ShadowJKatleast wiring schematics for alot of things14:44
ShadowJKand troubleshooters14:44
Stskeepsif you find some good reason why my display is scrolling, do say :P14:45
ShadowJKimage is black -> is the lens dirty? -> clean the lens14:45
Stskeepsi have tried to fasten the connector14:45
qwerty12_N800reason: you treated it badly :p14:45
Stskeepsheh14:45
Stskeepsthat's maybe true14:46
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ShadowJKa moving noncurrupt picture was not in any of the troubleshooters :(14:46
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* ShadowJK isn't a hw guy :-(14:55
ShadowJKomap gives clock signal to the display controller, i guess that makes sense14:57
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ShadowJKthis jpeg in pdf isnt good enough to see :)15:01
mib_u3gsbvHi everybody. I'm new on irc. I have a problem with my n810, look here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=282077#post28207715:01
mib_u3gsbvThanks15:01
lbt~flash15:02
infobotrumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap15:02
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ShadowJKsts: does wlan and bluetooth work normally on it?15:02
lbtnope15:02
StskeepsShadowJK: 100%15:02
Stskeepsjust screen acting up15:02
mib_u3gsbv?15:02
lbtmib_u3gsbv: are you luke?15:03
mib_u3gsbvyes,I am15:03
lbtthought so :)15:03
lbtI only created that mibbit thing this morning and you're the only one I've told15:03
mib_u3gsbvI understand..hehe15:04
lbthave you seen : http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware15:04
mib_u3gsbvyes,I followed that doc.15:05
mib_u3gsbvbut it doesn't worked15:06
mib_u3gsbvare you david?15:06
lbtyes15:06
lbtbut I'm a linux guy and I don't even have a windows PC :(15:06
lbtso I'm not much help at this kind of thing15:07
mib_u3gsbvoh, i understand15:07
mib_u3gsbvso, i'm asking you two other things:15:07
lbtflashing should sort out any issues installing Qt though15:07
lbtsure...15:07
mib_u3gsbv1. I'm a windows user and as you probably know in windows if you install and unistall lot of apps you'll have a very slow pc, so you have to clean your registry or "re-flash" your pc15:08
lopzhi15:08
mib_u3gsbvis the same for linus (& maemo)?15:08
mib_u3gsbv*linux15:09
lbtnot quite....15:09
lbtbut since everything is free15:09
lbtyou can end up "tasting" lots and lots of things15:09
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lbtalso Maemo had a problem with lots of various repositories15:10
lbtand that caused issues too15:10
lbtOnce you've done the tasting thing though it's usually very easy to "clean up"15:10
lbtwithout starting from scratch15:10
lbtI won't even re-install when I change my motherboard and CPU15:11
mib_u3gsbvI was trying to re-flash my n810 because I had some problems (one of theme is about Shopper, as you know). Was it a bad idea?15:11
lbtno15:11
lbtit makes sense15:11
lbtespecially if you're new to linux15:11
thopiekardoes someone know why maemo-mapper's gps isn't working under os2006 on a N770?15:12
thopiekarthe person, who has that problem removed already the .maemo-mapper-folder in /home/user..15:12
lbtmib_u3gsbv: do hang around a while - there'll be lots more people on who can help you get the reflash going15:14
lbtit's almost impossible to hurt your tablet15:14
mib_u3gsbvoh, i understand15:14
lbtcool - you never know :)15:14
Stskeepslbt: oh, it's easy, but only if you do it really really intentionally15:14
Stskeeps:P15:14
mib_u3gsbvso, it's more important to try to solve my n810 problems, instead trying to reflash it15:15
mib_u3gsbvis it right?15:15
lbtwell, if you haven't started to reflash15:15
lbtand it's working well otherwise15:16
lbtthen it should be fixable15:16
mib_u3gsbvok, so, shopper: I did what you said me, but actually nothing changed15:17
lbtI know15:17
lbtI think you are looking at the wrong repositories15:17
lbtsince the qt you mentioned:15:17
lbt(=4.5.0-1maemo0)15:17
lbtgot updated to =4.5.0-1maemo1 a few days ago15:18
mib_u3gsbvbut where can i found the right repositories? the only place I know is gronmayer15:18
Stskeepsyou only need one, really15:18
Stskeeps~extras15:18
infobothmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras15:18
mib_u3gsbvthere is yet extras15:18
mib_u3gsbvI'm here with my tablet, I'm trying another time to install shopper15:18
lbtdo you have root access?15:19
mib_u3gsbv(I updated some hours ago all the repo using x term as you said me (apt-get update)15:19
mib_u3gsbvyes15:19
mib_u3gsbvNow, should I try by app manager or x term?15:19
lbtand as root you can run apt-get install shopper15:19
lbtx-term may help get more feedback15:19
mib_u3gsbvok, i try15:20
thopiekarbtw. xterm: why is osso_xterm unable to open my example app: cmatrix?15:20
thopiekarisn't it a full featured xterm?15:20
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thopiekarI uploaded cmartix to extras-devel while screencasting and uploaded it to youtube as a example for building apps into extras-devel with maemoSDK(-CE [vm]) for the german n800.de forum..15:23
thopiekarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zxIJialMuc15:23
mib_u3gsbvOk, it says me that all the dependencies are going to be installed, but then it says E:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install'15:24
lbtok try that15:24
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thopiekarmib_u3gsbv: if you are familar in german try the clip :D15:25
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lbtlunch now... back l8r.... you may also want to try : apt-get install libqtgui415:26
mib_u3gsbvok, i try15:29
RST38hthopiekar: wouldnt plain step by step text instructions be more useful?15:30
mib_u3gsbvE:dependencies not satisfied. Try 'apt-get -f install'15:30
thopiekarRST38h: the clip is the first one and I'm sure that I will change from gnome to xfce because of it's size..15:31
thopiekarthe download ist now about 2,6GB big..15:31
thopiekarthats to big to share it via bt with 50kbit/s upload..15:32
thopiekarso the clip will be not very long useful..15:33
thopiekarit's just a little and short preview how to package to extras-devel..15:33
thopiekar:)15:33
mib_u3gsbvOk, for now thanks. Bye. See u later15:35
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thuxmy midori save as doesn't work and haven't got clue why15:37
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thopiekarthux: on ssl-connections? mine is crashing, too..15:51
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thuxthopiekar: i cannot save any file with midori15:55
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lbtmib_7b3in1: did   apt-get install libqtgui4    give the same problems?16:23
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ro3Hi, just wondering when i try to use n770 (running n800 maemo..not that it matters for the problem) plugged into the AUX port in my car, the audio needs to be turned all the way up and there's a hiss/distortion. I tried to look on the forums - but no one seemed to have a definitive solution. Any ideas - is it something with mediaplayer itself?16:28
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lbtThe new wiki seems to have lost the 'breadcrumb' menu for subsections... eg http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/About16:44
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yergaI think I broke the extras-devel Packages.gz file16:54
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Stskeepsow :P16:55
lbtyerga: could that explain why users are getting apt-get issues with libqtgui4 etc?16:56
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yergaif it was in the last 2 hours could be16:56
yergathe problem is the Packages.gz is bad compressed16:57
lbtno, since yesterday16:57
lbtOK NP :)16:57
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Stskeepstimeless: happen to know if opensolaris can do acpi suspend?17:54
GeneralAntillestimeless, you want me to have a go at integrating mxr a lightly more tightly layout-wise?17:54
GeneralAntillestimeless, and welcome back. Glad to hear you had a nice trip. :)17:55
GeneralAntillesIt's interesting to see the first real ARM netbooks being ARM1117:56
thuxGeneralAntilles: is there arm netbook?17:57
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GeneralAntillesthux, nothing really released at the moment (unless you go back a few years).17:59
thuxok17:59
GeneralAntillesBut the Chinese manufacturers that seem to be announcing them are usually ARM1117:59
GeneralAntillesThe Touchbook is probably the one closest to a real release.17:59
GeneralAntillesAlthough it's not really a netbook.17:59
thuxalways wondered why not omap netbooks18:00
GeneralAntillesThe prototypes I've seen have usually been using Freescale stuff.18:00
GeneralAntillesTI has the OMAP chips for it.18:00
GeneralAntillesI'd LOVE to see an OMAP3440 or OMAP3640 in a netbook.18:00
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thuxyes18:01
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thuxx86 atom isn't very nice18:02
GeneralAntillesNope18:02
GeneralAntillesWhat bothers me most about my Mini 9 is that no matter what I'm doing with it, the battery life doesn't vary very much.18:03
GeneralAntillesI'm used to being able to leave my N800 on a table for 2 days without issue.18:03
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ENTERANICKhi18:08
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jaskawhiskey tango foxtrot18:10
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thuxwhat was that?18:12
Stskeepsdrivebyspam18:12
GAN800^18:12
GAN800That's why we have controls server side. ;)18:12
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yergaif at least was porn spam18:14
yergabut not luck18:14
yergaextras-devel seems fixed :)18:14
Corsachmmh, there was a maemo mapper developper around here at some point, wasn't there?18:15
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keesjSo who played with qt4 on the sdk?18:18
woglindeI am playing with qt418:18
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Corsachmhm, even with proj installed, request to %.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f gives 0,000000,0,000000,0,000000,0,00000018:20
Corsacnot sure how to tell maemo mapper to use proj, or something like that18:20
Corsacnot sure I have the correct proj version either18:21
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lbtme too18:22
lbt(qt4)18:22
keesjwoglinde cool , what kind of stuff did you do?18:22
woglindeported qtnx18:22
woglindebut that was not too hard18:23
keesjI have just been playing around looking at the usr/lib/qt4/examples18:23
woglindenow I am teaching openembedded to build qt4 X11 with the gles libs18:23
lbtI really want to find out what I need to do to get the fingerscrolling in18:23
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thopiekarhi18:24
thopiekarX-Fade: PING18:24
lbthi thopiekar18:24
thopiekarhi lbt :)18:24
keesjwoglinde: does qtnx work well on the tablets?18:25
woglindekessj with some tweaking on the server side yes18:25
woglindehm oh wait18:25
woglindeqtnx works very well18:25
woglindethe nx stuff needed some tweaking on the serverside18:26
woglindeqtnx only collects to options to start nxproxy and ssh18:26
keesjok , I see18:26
keesjis usr/lib/qt4/examples/opengl/hellogl_es2 supposed to work?18:27
woglindekeesj only on fremantle18:27
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woglindefor the n800 and n810 the gles lib not yet available18:27
keesjI am on sbox-FREMANTLE_X8618:27
woglindehm okay18:27
woglindeyou need the pc emulation libs for this18:28
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woglindemom I will paste the blog entry from kate18:28
keesjI think I already did that18:28
woglindeah okay18:29
keesjhttp://www.paste-it.net/public/x864781/ (core dump)18:29
keesjthe the most of the qtdemo's work but I don't know if they use opengl ..18:29
woglindeyou can find out with ldd18:29
thopiekarhmm18:30
woglindeldd shows the libs against the exe is linked18:30
woglindeif you seed libQtGl18:30
thopiekaris libxaw a important lib for the os?18:30
woglindethopiekar hm not so impoartant as lib-x1118:30
thopiekarI wanted to install xterm on my tablet but libxaw is needed.18:30
woglindekeesj I had segfaults here too with the pc emulation18:31
thopiekarso I made a package from ubuntu'S apt-get source and I going to upload it to extras-devel, but I'm not sure that it will make other builds corrupted..18:31
thopiekarit wouldn't be the first time that I make others work down.. don't know how to explain that :P18:32
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keesjthe affine program for example works like a charm18:33
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Stskeepsthopiekar: just install roxterm instead.18:33
Stskeepsposting libxaw will cause havoc, probably18:33
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thopiekarsame with roxterm18:34
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thopiekar-.-' someone is calling me again on ekiga.net..18:36
thopiekarStskeeps: I have nokia repos, extras, extras-devel , diablo-tools and browser extras enabled on my tablet..18:37
thopiekarthere is another repo called sdk on my sb1.. is that where my sb1 is downloading libxaw?18:37
thopiekarin sb1 cmatrix is working..18:38
thopiekarbut thats some kind of remote xterm-shell which osso_xterm isn't..18:38
thopiekarthe app cmatrix says that it needs xterm to view the matrix ( :P )..18:40
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Corsacmhmh, I fucked my maemo config19:02
Corsacmaemo mapper19:02
Corsacnow it segfaults at startup19:02
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GeneralAntillesThat's unpleasant. E71x requires $30 PDA data plan.19:05
woglindepda data plan?19:06
woglindewhats this?19:06
timelesshello world19:08
timelesscan i encourage people to consider trying to improve Maemo?19:08
thopiekarhi timeless19:08
woglindehi timeless19:08
woglindetimeles lol19:08
Stskeepstimeless: do like i do, a shadow project to improve maemo and spread it :P19:08
thopiekar:D19:09
GeneralAntilleswoglinde, as opposed to the $15/mo data plan I have with AT&T now.19:09
woglindega ah okay now I remeber this us shit19:10
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GeneralAntillestimeless, get us some hardware. :P19:10
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woglinde /set a new topic tomorrow 1200 utc is long gone19:13
torkianohello, can anyone reproduce this bug?https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3557. I can't19:13
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woglindehm oh19:13
woglindeeverybody can set topic19:14
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Stskeepstorkiano: i've experienced it raising windows out of spite19:14
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torkianowhat version of maemo do you use?19:15
torkianoStskeeps, ?19:16
Stskeepsdiablo, latest19:16
torkianook, I'll change the affected maemo version, thank you19:16
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keesjtimeless: are you following fennec?19:37
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ShadowJKtorkiano, Yes I can reproduce that bug on latest diablo19:39
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man_in_ltopok, i think my crappy python app is about done :P19:40
man_in_ltoponly thing left is some pop-up menus19:40
torkianoShadowJK, thank you for test ;)19:40
ShadowJKIt's one of the most annoying bugs I encounter in day to day use :)19:40
ShadowJKbut I managed to reduce it a little bit with a LD_PRELOAD hack19:40
ShadowJKIt's not exactly an uncommon bug with things originating from mozilla, fennec and firefox does it too :)19:41
ShadowJKBut on linux desktop, the window managers have tons of code designed to whip firefox until it behaves19:42
man_in_ltopso ... i want a pop-up menu that appears when you click and hold on the screen19:42
man_in_ltoplike what happens in MiniB19:42
man_in_ltopor whatever the browser is called :19:42
man_in_ltop:P19:42
ShadowJKmicrob19:42
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man_in_ltopoops, wrong window ... yeah, microb19:42
man_in_ltophow do i code up a menu like that? :)19:42
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mib_2snxbuhello19:47
mib_2snxbuI'm luke19:47
lbthi luke19:48
lbtdid you make any progress?19:49
mib_2snxbuwell, I found the two files. What I have to do now?19:49
lbtcan you cut'n'paste them into http://pastebin.com/19:50
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mib_2snxbuat the moment pastebin isn't working19:51
lbthttp://www.pastebin.cz/19:52
mib_2snxbuI'm opening sources.list with Notes, but it's empty19:53
lbtok19:54
mib_2snxbuor is notes that can't open it19:54
lbttry a 'cat' in xterm to confirm19:54
lbtso:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list19:54
qwerty12man_in_ltop: google "hildon tap-and-hold signal" and/or "tap_and_hold_setup"19:55
mib_2snxbu"cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root19:55
mib_2snxbu??19:55
GeneralAntillestimeless, maybe something generally similar to http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mxr-newstyle-test.jpg (although the sidebar was a bad idea).19:55
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lbtman_in_ltop: here's some code from my gtk shopper: http://maemo.pastey.net/11311719:57
lbtmib_2snxbu: yes, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" as root19:58
mib_2snxbu"cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in x term no results19:58
lbtso it's empty :)19:58
mib_2snxbuyeah19:58
mib_2snxbuso?19:58
lbtcat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list19:58
lbt(so you don't have any nasty repos with old data in there)19:59
man_in_ltopok19:59
man_in_ltopi can only find C examples, not finding anything in python19:59
lbtoh, python... good luck with that :)20:00
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lbtmib_2snxbu: anything?20:01
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qwerty12man_in_ltop: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268123#post26812320:02
mib_2snxbuhttp://www.pastebin.cz/32c56216c6163220:02
qwerty12I used his code for blueman and it worked brilliantly20:02
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mib_2snxbui posted the result20:03
man_in_ltopah right20:03
lbtI have : deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user20:04
man_in_ltopgtk.Widget or whatever is given tap_and_hold_setup on hildon20:04
lbtand deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user20:04
man_in_ltopor whatever20:04
man_in_ltop:P20:04
lbtaswell as those 2 mib_2snxbu20:04
lbtso add those 2 lines20:05
qwerty12man_in_ltop: yep, you can use it directly on a gtkmenu or just connect your widget to the tap-and-hold signal20:05
lbtand then apt-get update20:05
woglinde~lart this powervr crap20:05
* infobot executes killall -KILL this powervr crap20:05
keesjsudo kill -9 -120:07
mib_2snxbuWhere I have to add the 2 lines http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user and http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user??20:08
lbtsorry, into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list20:08
mib_2snxbuin app manager?20:08
mib_2snxbuoh, ok20:08
lbtI *think* they're standard20:09
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mib_2snxbuCan I add theme using notes?20:10
lbton the tablet?20:10
lbtshould be OK20:10
lbt(I'm thinking of windows line endings)20:10
mib_2snxbuCan I try to add the two lines using app Manager > New Catalog? Because if I use directly the file it says "Access Danied"20:15
lbthmm - you're not root then20:15
mib_2snxbuwith gpe filemanager i'm not root20:16
mib_2snxbuor Can i add it by xterm?20:16
lbtOK, try with appmgr20:16
mib_2snxbuok20:16
mib_2snxbuVery good, so, catalogue name, distribution, components?20:16
lbtname is "Nokia catalogue"20:17
lbtfor  http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/20:18
lbtDistribution is blank20:18
lbtComponents is "user"20:18
lbtThen "Nokia catalogue (3rd party software)"20:18
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lbthttp://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/20:18
lbtDistribution is blank again20:19
lbtComponents is "user" again20:19
luke-jrthe Nokia proprietary repo is password-protected :/20:19
qwerty12_N800apt sends the password20:19
GeneralAntilles^20:19
qwerty12_N800(it's not also hard to get; as I was one of the first to find ;))20:20
mib_2snxbuupdated20:20
lbtOK20:21
mib_2snxbunow? I try to install Shopper?20:21
lbtyep20:21
luke-jrmib_2snxbu: Shopper is terrible :<20:21
lbtsee if that fixes the dependencies20:21
mib_2snxbuok, by xterm apt-get install shopper, ok?20:21
lbtyou could use appmgr20:21
luke-jrqwerty12_N800: oooh, where?20:21
mib_2snxbuok20:21
* lbt slaps luke-jr20:21
luke-jrqwerty12_N800: my apt just errors out on it20:22
qwerty12_N800luke-jr: look in the sources for diablo's apt20:22
mib_2snxbuoh, no. some application packages required for the installation are missing!20:23
lbtGeneralAntilles: you've debugged this stuff - mib_2snxbu can't get Qt to install20:24
luke-jrqwerty12_N800: any idea if Nokia would get pissed at me putting it in Gentoo ebuilds?20:24
lbtseems like he has some issues with apt etc...20:24
mib_2snxbuNow I must disconnect, we will talk again in another moment.20:24
Stskeepsluke-jr: might cause a panic reaction, as it's meant to be only distributed to tablet owners.20:25
mib_2snxbuThank you very much20:25
lbt'k mib_2snxbu20:25
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luke-jrhm20:25
* luke-jr ponders20:25
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GAN8001luke-jr, there's a reason it's passworded20:29
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GAN8001luke-jr, unless you want to severely harm Nokia's attitude towards open source, DO NOT put that password into Gentoo.20:30
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luke-jrGAN8001: ok, any suggestions?20:30
Stskeepsfile a bug?20:30
luke-jrcurrently I'm using a non-passworded mirror20:30
luke-jrStskeeps: what bug?20:31
GAN8001If people with tablets want access, they can find the patch themselves20:31
GAN8001You're MIRRORING the upgrade repo? . . .20:31
luke-jrGAN8001: not me20:31
luke-jrGAN8001: that's not very user-friendly20:32
Stskeepsluke-jr: there's contractual agreements to be taken into account20:32
Stskeepsthey license it for their tablets20:32
GAN8001Tough. Nokia's relicensing their own stuff, but Flash and other licensed 3rd-party stuff you don't have a free pass to redistribute20:33
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luke-jrGAN8001: I don't know the mirror is complete.20:33
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luke-jrmaybe I can hope GPSd guy reverse engineers GPS5300 enough20:34
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Stskeepsluke-jr: anyway, bad bad bad thing to get into - it might destroy any ability we'll have in the future to actually be -able- to distribute this kind of stuff :P20:34
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luke-jrStskeeps: any suggestions on a good way?20:35
Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution is part of our approach these days20:35
GeneralAntillesWait for Nokia to relicense their stuff for Mer.20:35
Stskeepsand yeah.. hang on while we get the specifics right20:36
Stskeepsshould benefit us all20:36
Stskeepsmy intended approach shouldn't limit it to being Mer being the receiver, just the tablets themselves20:36
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ShadowJKI wonder about potential new stuff in "N900", even if Mer could technically run it, would Nokia allow it on the previous tablets?20:37
ShadowJKLike potentially updated skype and/or flash, for example..20:37
StskeepsShadowJK: that's always a good question20:38
GeneralAntillesIt's not up to Nokia20:38
* Stskeeps is just caring about HW support.20:38
GeneralAntillesSkype distributes their binaries themselves.20:38
Stskeepsyeah, that too20:38
StskeepsSkype can run on Mer, if we look at it cynically20:38
GeneralAntillesPeople keep bringing 3rd-party non-bundled applications into this when they really don't belong in this discussion. :P20:38
GeneralAntillesAs users can go right to these 3rd-party websites and download them.20:39
GeneralAntillesSkype is awesomely hardcoded for 800x480, though.20:39
ShadowJKAh I just assumed Nokia did what they do on the symbian side, pay off people to port/write stuff20:39
GeneralAntillesSure, they paid them to write it.20:40
GeneralAntillesBut that doesn't make it non redistributable.20:40
luke-jrStskeeps: you don't care about GPS?20:41
Stskeepsluke-jr: oh, i care about gps20:41
luke-jrthe page doesn't list it20:41
Stskeepsluke-jr: there's another proposal later in the thread20:42
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Stskeepsbasically 1) nokia doesn't see a problem in distributing nokia software to nokia tablets (behind a EULA agreement) 2) they got the information on HW very early, and are talking to the 3rd party vendors that has provided them20:42
luke-jrStskeeps: that link doesn't help Gentoo20:43
luke-jrGentoo users need to download each .deb file themselves20:43
Stskeepsluke-jr: yes, and that's how the actual approach will be20:43
Stskeepsbasically20:43
Stskeepsgo to page, indicate your MAC and accept EULA, you get delivered a token, just like with fremantle SDK nokia-binaries20:44
Stskeepsand a deb sources line20:44
Stskeepsfrom that repository (access allowed with your token) you can grab the bits you need20:44
Stskeepsthat's how i hope it'll work20:44
luke-jri c20:44
Stskeepsyou can also download prefabricated images behind the EULA. or the open source part without EULA.20:44
Stskeepsi have no idea if gentoo allows export MAEMOORGTOKEN= though :P20:45
Stskeepsto download using the right token20:45
luke-jrStskeeps: might work as a var in make.conf20:46
Stskeepsk20:46
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Stskeepsi know this approach isn't as good as open sourcing things, but it is more realistic to let happen20:47
luke-jrbut SRC_URI isn't supposed to change ever20:47
luke-jrso maybe not :x20:47
luke-jrwell, GPS stuff needs to be open anyway20:47
Stskeepswhy, really? :P20:47
luke-jrI don't want GNOME20:47
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StskeepsGTK != GNOME.20:47
Stskeeps:P20:47
luke-jrI don't want "user"20:47
Stskeepsah, we can agree on user.20:48
Stskeeps:P20:48
luke-jractually, gpsdriver links to GNOME libs20:48
luke-jrlibgconf20:48
Stskeepswhich you may argue is insane20:48
Stskeepsgconf is generic configuration on maemo really20:48
Stskeepsit's better than custom files20:48
luke-jrStskeeps: I asked that the proprietary protocols be moved to a library, and the rest opened20:49
Stskeepsright, bark up TI's tree then20:49
luke-jr?20:49
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luke-jrTI wouldn't be happy with that?20:49
Stskeepsok, library maybe20:50
* Stskeeps goes back to dealing with OBS.20:50
* lcuk is home20:51
Stskeepswb20:51
Stskeepssafe journey?20:51
lcukta :D20:51
lcukyeah i stayed away from all the doors lol20:51
luke-jrStskeeps: the Portage devs are telling me to simply force the user to download the file manually20:56
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Stskeepsluke-jr: a better way yeah20:56
luke-jrStskeeps: so it's between continuing to use no-password-mirror or that20:57
luke-jram I risking pissing someone off doing #1, if we have only 3 users?20:57
JaffaNumber of users won't change the impact it has20:57
JaffaEspecially if it's something as high profile as Gentoo20:57
luke-jrwill fact that I'm not doing the redistribution?20:58
GeneralAntillesSomebody's doing it.20:58
luke-jryeah, but they're doing it whether I link or not20:58
Stskeepsluke-jr: the idea is to avoid an arms race really.20:58
GeneralAntillesThen don't encourage it or promote it.20:59
GeneralAntillesWho is it, anyway?20:59
luke-jrdunno, Google found it ;)20:59
luke-jrhttp://timeless.justdave.net/repository/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/20:59
luke-jranyone know him?20:59
GeneralAntilleslol20:59
GeneralAntillestimeless20:59
ShadowJKheh21:00
luke-jrah21:00
luke-jrI don't think I've met him21:00
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qwerty12_N800that's a old mirror. good for getting ftd from ;)21:00
GeneralAntillesFrom before it was passworded, actually..21:03
luke-jrö21:03
luke-jrso I'm using ancient gpsdriver? :<21:03
luke-jrftd?21:04
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GeneralAntillesEarly 2008 ancient.21:04
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lurk-jrdislexy is sometimes funny21:06
luke-jrwhere is apt src?21:06
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luke-jrFailed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/./Packages.gz  401 Unauthorized [IP: 98.174.28.51 80]21:14
luke-jrmy Maemo can't get it21:14
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man_in_ltopyay, my crappy program is working21:14
man_in_ltopnext stage is to package it21:14
man_in_ltopbut sleep first21:14
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mib_ywzy12hey is it possible to get banned from here?21:16
Stskeepsof course it is :P21:16
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mib_ywzy12because this place never gets spammed unlike the foum21:16
Stskeepsoh, we do get spammed21:17
mib_ywzy12oh what like advertising or general annoyance21:17
Stskeepsboth21:17
GeneralAntillesYeah, banning is possible. ;)21:17
mib_ywzy12could you help me with something21:17
mib_ywzy12my n810 internal memory does not have enough space to store maps anymore because i partioned it so i can boot from it, is there a way of saving the maps to another location(external memory card)21:19
lcukmove to a smaler country21:19
mib_ywzy12uk21:19
luke-jrWTF kind of a password is ______⁇?21:19
mib_ywzy12small enough21:19
Stskeepsluke-jr: beats me.21:19
Stskeepsit works though.21:20
Stskeepsbut the principle isn't the password21:20
Stskeepsthe principle is the method it gets the login21:20
Stskeepswhich is based on the tablet information21:20
mib_ywzy12so theres no way of changing the default map storage location21:20
lcukmib_ywzy12, i dont think there is officially, you could make some sort of symlink, but the best recommendation is restore the 2gb back to its proper size and do your real messing on a removable21:20
mib_ywzy12fuck21:21
mib_ywzy12excuse my french21:21
lcukis that french for thanks?21:21
mib_ywzy12yes lol21:21
lcukgood!21:21
mib_ywzy12ill try to change the partion size21:21
mib_ywzy12if possible without removing the os21:21
lcukif the maps expects to be /media/mmc1/mapssomething/21:21
lcukyou could replace mapssomething with a big symlink21:22
lcukmmc2^21:22
mib_ywzy12how do i do that?21:22
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luke-jrStskeeps: so it'd be ok if I put the password in the repo, and had it calculate teh username?21:22
lcuki dunno its not official21:22
lcuktis just an idea to try and help21:22
mib_ywzy12ok thank21:23
mib_ywzy12you21:23
mib_ywzy12so anything new for the tablets?21:24
Stskeepsluke-jr: rot13 the password for good measure.. but really, itÃ's awkward to add to gentoo rep - or is it your own branch?21:24
luke-jrStskeeps: right now, it's a n8x0 repo21:24
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Stskeepsk21:25
Jackdoorhow do i get to the thing that letsme change the boot settings21:26
Jackdoorive downloaded theprogram21:26
Jackdooroh pb21:26
Jackdoorsorry21:26
Jackdooris it possible tochange the partion without messing up the os saved on the internal21:27
Jackdoor?21:29
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thuxJackdoor: partition inner flash ?21:32
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Jackdoorno the internal memory card21:34
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Jackdoori want to change the partion size21:34
Jackdoorbut not delete the boot file21:34
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thuxJackdoor: never tried parted on sdcard21:37
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Jackdoorok21:39
Jackdoornot many people talk on here do they21:39
thuxmaybe more at office days and hours21:42
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luke-jrStskeeps: http://pastebin.ca/140351521:45
Stskeepsyou're missing the /proc/component_version stuff21:46
luke-jrStskeeps: it's in /proc/cpuinfo too21:46
Stskeepsreally?21:46
Stskeepshmm21:46
luke-jryeah21:46
Stskeepsfair enough i guess21:47
luke-jrthat perl script works on my device, at least21:47
Stskeepsi personally can't read that, so i guess it's good21:47
Stskeepsfeel free to rot13 the pwd too :P21:47
luke-jreh21:47
luke-jrStskeeps: that generates both username and password21:47
Stskeepsk21:48
luke-jrfrom /proc/cpuinfo stuff21:48
Stskeepsfair enough21:48
Stskeepsoh, the other dirty trick21:48
Stskeepsmount rootfs in jffs and copy21:48
Stskeepsthat's fairly common usage21:48
Stskeepsless trouble21:49
luke-jrwhat?21:50
luke-jrI don't get that21:50
Stskeepsmount the Maemo rootfs from jffs and copy in the binaries from there21:50
Stskeepsjffs/internal flash21:50
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Stskeepsthat's what mamona does, for instance21:50
luke-jrwhy would the binaries be there?21:51
luke-jrand21:51
luke-jrI don't want to assume they have Maemo21:51
luke-jr21:51
Stskeepsk21:51
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* RST38h moos slightly22:04
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* lcuk whimpers pathetically22:05
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* RST38h feeds stripes of bacon to lcuk22:07
lcukheh thanks22:07
RST38hHere is another piece of non-news to entertain you this evening: http://www.edge-online.com/features/playing-to-new-nations22:07
lcuki can eat bacon quite well but i cant hold a knife to cut other meats22:07
luke-jrStskeeps: err, the u/p I found don't actually work :<22:08
RST38hQualcomm based, seemingly directed "at developing markets" which translates to "marketing department has not done its homework"22:08
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RST38hlcuk: the solution is to get a prosthetic finger ending with a scalpel22:09
RST38hlcuk: imagine all the possibilities!22:09
lcukits already got a spoon on the end22:09
Stskeepsnono.22:09
StskeepsStylus finger.22:09
lcukand i should do what that finnish biker did  get a usb stick lol22:09
lcukooooh22:09
lbtgrow your fingernails and file them to a point22:10
lbts'what I do...22:10
lcuklbt, i cant grow any fingernails at the moment22:10
lcukdid u see the xray?22:10
lbtno?22:10
lbtyou?22:10
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/fingerfriendly.jpg22:10
lcukyes22:10
lbteek22:10
lbtWhat happened?22:11
lcuki went on a trip to somewhere northern and cold and found out the company isnt very finger friendly lol22:11
lbtyou picked your nose didn't you!22:12
RST38hlcuk: qwerty12 bit your finger off?!?22:12
qwerty12_N800mmm... finger...22:12
lbtbacon flavoured probably22:12
radichoi qwerty12_N80022:12
RST38h[speaking to himself] ...or maybe a bright white LED that lights up in the dark...22:12
qwerty12_N800hi radic22:13
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lcukno lbt, i was leaving a big building and i reached for the handle and pushed, found it was locked, so pressed what would be the unlock button - then reached again for the handle at the same time the door (ovi..) opened outwards trapping my finger and completely uncovering the tip22:13
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lcukive got blood splatter over my clothes and it was all over my face too22:14
lbtSUE THEM22:14
* lcuk checks to see if hes american22:14
radicqwerty12_N800: why i ran into problems when i connect via ppp0 and bring up wlan0 with iwconfig?22:15
RST38hlcuk: Definitely SUE.22:15
RST38hit's a no brainer22:16
qwerty12_N800radic: no idea, I never config wlan0 in maemo :)22:16
qwerty12_N800lcuk: sue, shoot or chop their fingers off22:16
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GAN800One of my neighbors changed their SSID to 'EoW2012'.22:21
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RST38hThey expect Obama to abdicate to Antichrist in 2012?22:26
RST38hOr do they expect the Antichrist to win elections fairly? =)22:26
luke-jrRST38h: what elections?22:27
luke-jryou expect there to be a USA in 2012?22:27
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luke-jrand how did Antichrist come up?22:28
lbtplease change yours to "Welcome666"22:29
luke-jr>_<22:30
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luke-jror convert to base 4222:30
luke-jr"WelcomeAI"22:30
RST38hluke: well, somebody has to start an Apocalypse, and you really can't count on anyone but USA for that22:30
luke-jrRST38h: "EoW" implied "end of world" to me-- which is inherently after any apocalypses22:30
RST38hYou mean it is gonna happen earlier than 2012? Ok, fair22:31
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luke-jrmore likely GAN800's neighbor is loony22:33
luke-jrI don't expect EoW anytime too soon22:33
luke-jrthere are far too many people expecting EoW for it to be soon22:33
GeneralAntillesTotal world economic collapse, however.22:33
luke-jrsure22:33
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luke-jrdivine chastisement too, I'm sure22:33
luke-jrbut not the end22:34
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luke-jrStskeeps: any reason to think Nokia will be annoyed if I mirror GPL'd stuff behind the password?22:41
lbtnone at all22:41
lbtthat's 100% legit22:41
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GeneralAntillesThe problem really is Flash and other licensed stuff.22:41
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Stskeepsluke-jr: think you can already grab that though, but i guess22:43
qwerty12_N800luke-jr: if it's GPL, can't you just rebuild for Gentoo with the sources Nokia have put out?22:44
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luke-jrqwerty12_N800: no idea, it seems extremely difficult to find any N8x0-related sources22:48
GeneralAntillesErm?22:49
Stskeepswiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Common_Packages is a good start22:49
GeneralAntillesrepository.maemo.org?22:49
qwerty12_N800luke-jr: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/22:50
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: that's packages22:50
luke-jrnot sources22:50
GeneralAntillesNo, it's sources too.22:50
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xnt_hey everyone, how about porting this to maemo? http://titaniumapp.com/22:52
* xnt_ checks Mer Wiki Page22:53
xnt_0.11 already?22:53
* xnt_ wants his nit back22:53
lbt0.12 tomorrow22:54
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robtaylorxnt_: it has a very silly name =)22:54
xnt_Im going to demand my nit from my parents tomorrow22:54
xnt_robtaylor: what Mer?22:54
luke-jrxnt_: wtf?22:55
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xnt_luke-jr: what? :P22:55
luke-jrxnt_: what's up w/ your NIT?22:56
luke-jrTitanium looks like a bad idea, IMO22:56
luke-jrat least the license22:56
xnt_my gym teacher confiscated it after It fell out of my pocket22:56
luke-jrxnt_: eh? sue?22:56
luke-jrthey have no right to steal your stuff22:56
xnt_luke-jr: actually now my parents have it now :(22:57
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* xnt_ wishes that he could sue his school for banning electronic devices in this tech centric world22:58
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GeneralAntillesIf you could get stupid kids from texting in class. ;)22:59
xnt_seriously, when I was in 2nd grade I brought my dos tablet to school and it wasn't confiscated, now if I bring a flashlight into school they confiscated22:59
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xnt_GA: yeah, I know this girl who got a call from her parents and she answered it and now the school won't give her parents her phone23:00
xnt_in my english class: like 7 kids text eachother and the teacher doesn't see23:01
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: how about mirroring BSD-licensed Nokia blobs?23:01
luke-jrlike libsupld23:02
Stskeepseh, don't think that's bsd licensed23:03
mavhcschools aren't designed to work with technology, exams are completely stupid in that respect, great, I passed my exam, now I can know stuff the one time in my life I'm not connected to everyone on the planet and all information23:03
luke-jrStskeeps: the package says it is23:04
luke-jrcheck the 'copyright' file23:04
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z4chh_if i buy an n810 that says it comes with os2008...should i flash still?23:12
luke-jrprobably23:12
GeneralAntillesz4chh_ is it the latest?23:12
GeneralAntillesAnyway, there's no harm in flashing.23:12
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z4chh_yeah :\23:13
z4chh_i like flashing anyways23:13
z4chh_kind of fun23:13
z4chh_makes me feel good23:13
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z4chh_there any content released with some of the specs of the new tablet device?23:21
lbtI heard that it doesn't have a stylus23:22
z4chh_o_o23:23
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xnt_repost: YAY! http://xceleo.com/mer11.png23:29
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GeneralAntilleslbt, lol.23:31
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GeneralAntillesz4chh, pretty much everything we know:23:32
GeneralAntilles~rx-5123:32
infobotwell, rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html23:32
* xnt_ wonders why b-man isn't on (sunday here in ny)23:34
luke-jrheh23:34
luke-jrvibration function23:34
luke-jrand they still claim no cell support?23:34
GeneralAntillesVoIP?23:35
luke-jrVoIP doesn't work in scenarios where you want vibration23:36
GeneralAntillesUm?23:36
luke-jreg, out and about w/ the NIT in your pocket23:36
GeneralAntillesWith cellular data?23:36
luke-jroh, possibly23:36
luke-jrthey going to get providers to support that?23:36
luke-jrI have yet to see a cell data plan usable for VoIP23:36
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* ShadowJK has one usable for voip23:45
ShadowJKskype is a bit dubious on it, p2p not allowed23:45
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AStormhello23:53
AStormI'm having some hardware problem with my n81023:53
AStormI suspect a broken battery23:53
AStormor a broken charging controller23:53
Stskeepssymptom?23:53
AStormcharges the battery fine23:53
AStormthen hangs on battery full23:54
AStormeven when I remove the charger23:54
GeneralAntillesHave you reflashed?23:54
AStormsometimes the device doesn't start and is killed by the watchdog23:54
AStormI will try that, but that's obviously work-intensive23:54
Stskeepsout of space, AStorm ?23:54
GeneralAntillesYou're not booting from a flash card?23:54
AStormhmm, unlikely, but I'll check23:55
AStormI'm not... n810 and all23:55
Stskeepswell, internal mmc then23:55
AStormbooting from flash card means I can't use flash card for data23:55
lcukunless you pick up a mini one23:55
AStormyes, but as I've been using the device round the clock I didn't have time to reinstall23:55
AStormlcuk, mini what? I mean, I can't use the port if it's taken by the OS ;P23:56
GeneralAntillesHuh?23:56
GeneralAntillesWhere does data go on your desktop?23:56
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AStormit goes to the card then I sometimes back it up23:56
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lcukmmc2 is the internal 2gb device memory i assume you mean, mmc1 is removable23:56
GeneralAntillesThe OS only takes up about 512MB23:56
AStormmove data back and forth sometimes (now less thanks to sshfs)23:56
AStormless23:56
AStorm:)23:56
AStormthe whole trick is I'd have to move it to mmc223:57
AStormand I couldn't because the device is in constant use... mostly23:57
GeneralAntillesOK, whatever.23:57
luke-jrdepends on the OS23:57
AStormwell, now it works... charging and battery meter23:57
luke-jrAStorm: 8 GB miniSD is plenty of space ;)23:57
AStormfor some reason23:57
AStormit doesn't work intermittently23:57
AStormluke-jr, I know it is, that's why I want to have that removable23:58
AStormand not throw all that data via Wifi23:58
luke-jrO.o23:58
luke-jrUSB?23:58
* konttori just posted a small blog about tracker on maemo http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/little-tracking-for-people-waiting-for.html23:58
konttoriin case anyone is interested about such things at this hour23:59
AStormless handy and not all that fast :/23:59
luke-jrtracker?23:59
konttoritracker is the metadata engine on fremantle23:59
torkianois it possible to install maemo sdk in a amd64 system?23:59
AStormkonttori, mmh23:59
AStormtorkiano, sure it is, if you can run virtual machines :P23:59
AStormor are well-versed in scratchbox223:59

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