| zap | like always, DSPs are hard to program | 00:00 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yep that's the omap2420, on the omap3 the iva is the dsp | 00:00 |
| zap | TI has a optimizing C compiler though that parallelise computations; I'm not sure though if it's free | 00:00 |
| lcuk | yes lardman, but we have the ISP as well now | 00:01 |
| lardman | lcuk: though I see what you say about a separate ISP + IVA/DSP | 00:01 |
| RST38h | lardman: what about the second DSP box at that diaram? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | i think they realised no1 was using the IVA on the omap2 ;) | 00:01 |
| RST38h | diagram | 00:01 |
| zap | the problem with IVA is that it's absolutely undocumented | 00:01 |
| zap | and TI64xx seems well documented | 00:01 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm sure we would have tried if they'd given us a clue hey? :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | yes zap, theres nothing about it, and it had lots of promise | 00:01 |
| zap | in fact, TI has opened a lot of info on OMAP35xx | 00:01 |
| RST38h | zap: it is ARM7. What is there to document other than how to restart it and share data with it? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | especially with the graphical problems we have on 8x0 | 00:01 |
| zap | RST38h: you said it | 00:02 |
| zap | RST38h: you don't even know how to execute a NOP on it | 00:02 |
| lardman | RST38h: I thought it was ARM9...? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | its arm0 :( | 00:02 |
| lardman | :) | 00:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: I heard different opinions on the subject =) | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | or simply 'armless :D | 00:02 |
| zap | whatever is it, it's useless undocumented :) | 00:02 |
| lardman | yeah, me too | 00:02 |
| BULLE_ | guess you guys can look at the openpandora to get omap3 info | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | BULLE_, why in the world would you look at the Pandora? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just go straight to the source. . . . | 00:05 |
| lcuk | or rather the binary blob ;) | 00:05 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting, bit.c in libmad defines CHAR_BIT, that might be good | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspsupporttechdocs.tsp?sectionId=3&tabId=409&techDoc=6&documentCategoryId=6&familyId=1526 | 00:05 |
| bipolar | has anyone gotten Genesis Sync for SyncEvolution installed and working? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Open"Pandora | 00:06 |
| lcuk | thanks GeneralAntilles :) | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the PowerVR driver isn't publicly available yet. ;) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | you have to wonder: as a chip designer how much you would change between one revision and the next. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | What revision? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | any, think of most of your normal code, you dont just rewrite the whole thing from scratch. i wonder how much hacking it would take to try to fire up the pvr using the newer driver when it comes out | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've answered that question before | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not remotely similar | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | SXG vs MBX | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can even use the OMAP2430 driver to get the OMAP2420's PowerVR going. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/can/can't/ | 00:10 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: We can't even use the OMAP2430 driver to get the OMAP2420's PowerVR going. | 00:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you are making a little mistake ;) | 00:10 |
| * lcuk doesnt mind making mistakes :) | 00:10 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Most ARM-based SoC designs are not really designed in one place. Instead, they are combined from multiple IP blocks | 00:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, these guys do not have to continue with OAP2 design. They can just take a different set of blocks, glu them together, and this will be OMAP3 | 00:11 |
| lcuk | yes, but you don't just throw away all the code or layout or interface designs just because its new. GeneralAntilles has already given biggest reason this would fail so its ok, but was just a ponderment | 00:11 |
| RST38h | Some things do stay the same though, mainly because there are formal and informal standards in ARM-based design | 00:12 |
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| Stskeeps | ~curse sb2 | 00:20 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sb2 ! | 00:20 |
| lardman | lcuk: there's actually some source floating about for the SGX so I see on the pandora.org forum | 00:20 |
| lardman | s/pandora/openpandora | 00:20 |
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| GAN800 | lardman, you see Quim's thread on -developers? | 00:21 |
| GAN800 | Need to get Nokia to throw some manpower behind the barcode reader. | 00:22 |
| lardman | lcuk: isp looks like it's just a camera interface | 00:22 |
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| GAN800 | ^ | 00:23 |
| lardman | which can do things like jpeg compression | 00:23 |
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| lardman | GAN800: not sure, will check now | 00:23 |
| lardman | software prime time? | 00:23 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 00:24 |
| lcuk | Resizer is a HW block in Camera ISP which is responsible for image downscaling and upscaling | 00:24 |
| lcuk | Preview is a HW block in Camera ISP which is responsible for image processing and color conversion. | 00:24 |
| lcuk | 3A is a HW block in Camera ISP which is responsible for collecting image statistics that can be used by other algorithms | 00:24 |
| lcuk | all useful things :) | 00:24 |
| RST38h | sleep. | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and that as well lardman | 00:25 |
| solmumaha | GeneralAntilles: have time to test my fix? | 00:25 |
| lardman | yeah, depends whether it's hooked directly to the camera input though | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | solmuhaha | 00:25 |
| lcuk | it appears to be feedable from multiple sources | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | Not at the moment. | 00:25 |
| GAN800 | s/gibberish/tab-completion/ | 00:25 |
| lcuk | either way, as with anything else :) i just want it working, and looking at the notes drivers will be available for it | 00:26 |
| solmumaha | k | 00:26 |
| solmumaha | maybe i should ask help from itt :s | 00:26 |
| solmumaha | i just had the worst task a man can imagine | 00:28 |
| lcuk | solmumaha, whats the problem? | 00:28 |
| solmumaha | i'd like people to test my app a bit before releasing it | 00:28 |
| lcuk | on the device? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | and what does it do | 00:29 |
| solmumaha | it's a server/client based video streaming app | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | cool, gimme a mo and count me in | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i was gonna look at playing with something like this | 00:29 |
| solmumaha | it's not pretty but should somewhat work | 00:30 |
| lcuk | heh :) proof of concept is better than nothing | 00:30 |
| solmumaha | but it's not for windows | 00:30 |
| lcuk | liqbase is entirely poc | 00:30 |
| lcuk | for maemo i hope | 00:30 |
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| solmumaha | yes, but server only works on linux/bsd/os x | 00:31 |
| lcuk | ive got 2 n810s | 00:31 |
| lcuk | that should work? | 00:31 |
| solmumaha | what os you have on desktop? | 00:31 |
| lcuk | windows | 00:31 |
| solmumaha | :( | 00:31 |
| solmumaha | fail! | 00:31 |
| lcuk | cant one of my 810s be server? | 00:31 |
| solmumaha | no, sorry | 00:32 |
| * lcuk does everything else on his 8109 | 00:32 | |
| lcuk | whats missing from it? | 00:32 |
| lardman | lcuk: it's a sign, install Linux! ;) | 00:32 |
| solmumaha | vlc 0.9 and juice to transcode video :) | 00:32 |
| lcuk | hahahahah | 00:32 |
| lcuk | transcoding? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | oooer missus | 00:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, but but but but but i dont wanna | 00:33 |
| * lcuk huggles xp | 00:33 | |
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| solmumaha | yes, it allows you to play videos from your desktop machine like they are local | 00:33 |
| lcuk | hey, hang on ill fire up the laptop | 00:33 |
| lcuk | thats got ubuntu on it | 00:33 |
| lcuk | i hate that laptop now | 00:33 |
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| solmumaha | supports seeking and all | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | ahhh i thought it would stream video from camera | 00:34 |
| * lcuk has a plan for doing just that | 00:34 | |
| lcuk | so solmumaha could i run your server within vmware if its so configured | 00:34 |
| solmumaha | sure | 00:35 |
| lcuk | ok, thats easy | 00:35 |
| solmumaha | if your tablet can connect to it | 00:35 |
| lcuk | yes, i send my source to it to get it to build packages for me | 00:35 |
| solmumaha | hardy? | 00:35 |
| lcuk | yer, but i prefer to wear a jacket | 00:36 |
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| solmumaha | k, add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/ubuntu hardy main to apt | 00:36 |
| solmumaha | and apt-get install ruby vlc | 00:37 |
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| solmumaha | after apt-get update of course :) | 00:37 |
| derf | GAN800: What -developers thread? | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | derf "Pushing community software to prime time" | 00:38 |
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| lardman | derf: you tested on device yet? | 00:39 |
| derf | Must not be archived yet. | 00:40 |
| derf | lardman: Working on it right now. | 00:40 |
| lardman | derf: it's on -community actually | 00:40 |
| derf | Oh, that would explain why I can't find it. | 00:40 |
| lcuk | damn! solmumaha have a different problem, and it might be more convoluted to get running - whilst ive got lan access vmware cant get out into the wide world, ill have a bit of a hack at it, but i dont wanna try too much incase i make problem worse | 00:42 |
| solmumaha | np | 00:42 |
| lcuk | but where do i get your n8x0 client so if i get it working i can test it | 00:43 |
| solmumaha | i wrote a sucky page for it: http://nakkiboso.com/knots/index.php | 00:43 |
| lcuk | thats about 1000000x less sucky than mine ;) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ :P | 00:44 |
| * lcuk adds a link to the .deb | 00:44 | |
| lcuk | and src | 00:44 |
| solmumaha | haha, maybe a fraction worse | 00:44 |
| solmumaha | my page validates without the youtube video :p | 00:44 |
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| solmumaha | it should be quite user-friendly after you get all dependencies installed | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | solmumaha, that looks quite cool - ive saved link if i get the laptop fired up ill try again from there | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | cyas later folks | 00:55 |
| solmumaha | gn | 00:56 |
| lbt | gn | 00:56 |
| solmumaha | anyone know of licenses btw? can i use bsd license with gpl stuff? | 00:57 |
| mgedmin | you can combine bsd and gpl stuff if you publish the result under gpl | 00:58 |
| solmumaha | what if my app is bsd and it uses gpl icons? | 00:58 |
| solmumaha | i haven't made changes to gpl stuff | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | should not be a problem, as long as you don't include the gpl bits into your source or link them into your binary... | 00:59 |
| mgedmin | IANAL | 00:59 |
| solmumaha | :) | 01:00 |
| solmumaha | thanks | 01:00 |
| solmumaha | it's written in ruby so i'm not linking to anything and i'm giving credit to gpl authors | 01:00 |
| solmumaha | maybe it would be easier to just change it to gpl, i really don't care about it | 01:01 |
| solmumaha | bsd is just so much shorter | 01:03 |
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| lardman | night all | 01:12 |
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| moontiger | who wrote liqbase?? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | me :) | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | moontiger, lcuk | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | how the fuck did you miss it? | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | The YouTube videos are by lcuk | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | the screen yells "Gary Birket" | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | and the main screen says "contact lcuk on #maemo" | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | hell, even error messages tell you to contact him | 01:17 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | actually youtube is lcukmaemo | 01:18 |
| * lcuk is pissin his sides | 01:18 | |
| * lcuk raises a beer to seb | 01:18 | |
| moontiger | im busy with other stuff so i just asked .... put your knickers back on | 01:18 |
| * lcuk does | 01:19 | |
| lcuk | why do you ask? | 01:19 |
| * lcuk fears he has blown up his machien | 01:19 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, i'm outa beer :( | 01:19 |
| moontiger | because i wanted to say i own the patents on that stuff so im going to sue you :)~ | 01:19 |
| moontiger | no | 01:19 |
| lcuk | not for lone | 01:19 |
| lcuk | long | 01:19 |
| moontiger | really i wanted to say fukin A ... it looks awesome | 01:19 |
| moontiger | :) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | yes moontiger, it does and it feels good to use it as well | 01:20 |
| moontiger | is it installable now? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | find a way for me to develop it further and i will have you babies :) | 01:20 |
| moontiger | or still in dev? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | yes, theres a deb | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk.pride -= 10; | 01:20 |
| lcuk | its installable, but not yet in extras | 01:20 |
| moontiger | you will have my babies?? | 01:20 |
| * moontiger ponders that | 01:20 | |
| crashanddie | hey | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | you're not allowed to ask | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm in line first | 01:21 |
| moontiger | lcuk ... u can have babies? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | i can do many things for the right money | 01:21 |
| * moontiger laughs | 01:21 | |
| moontiger | ok cos we have completely the wrong bits for you to have my babies | 01:22 |
| moontiger | but with enough money i guess all is possible | 01:22 |
| moontiger | ;) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | im sure we can buy a womb somewhere, either that or theres one going unused inside my n810 at the moment | 01:22 |
| * moontiger laughs | 01:22 | |
| lcuk | the test .deb is available on here | 01:23 |
| moontiger | what does it use for storage? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/ | 01:23 |
| lcuk | flat files | 01:23 |
| moontiger | liqbase ... not the womb | 01:23 |
| moontiger | and you read them into a bitmap and scroll that? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | no, live drawing | 01:23 |
| lcuk | rendering^ | 01:23 |
| moontiger | really?? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | yeah :) 100% live | 01:23 |
| moontiger | from stroke files? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | scrollable resizable vector graphics | 01:24 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | he stores every point :) | 01:24 |
| moontiger | hahaha | 01:24 |
| moontiger | uh huh | 01:24 |
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| crashanddie | oh, btw, lcuk | 01:24 |
| lcuk | the stamp tool rules :) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:24 |
| moontiger | doesnt he need to store sub-points for sub-pixel rendering? | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, test area, you know how it displays images are they are loaded? | 01:24 |
| moontiger | :rollseyes: | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | moontiger, unfortunately i store points at display resolution, however i could use the native touchsensor resolution which is a lot higher | 01:25 |
| moontiger | i was kidding | 01:25 |
| moontiger | points would be fine | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, should have the same for the wall | 01:25 |
| lcuk | im also seriously considering storing everything at 22500dpi and doing full scaling at runtime | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | (theres a bug at present where loading a sketch saved at 800*480 into editor on 400*240 looks too big | 01:26 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, what do you mean the wall? | 01:26 |
| lcuk | some what | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | sketch wall | 01:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, do what to it? | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | have progressive loading | 01:27 |
| lcuk | it does | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | oh | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | ok | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | :-° | 01:27 |
| lcuk | you just dont notice it cos you only have a few sketches | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | it kills me cos i cant kinetic for ~20 seconds | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | i cry and want to fix it | 01:27 |
| lcuk | the amount of bright red sketches ive got saying "fix lazyload" is shocking :) | 01:28 |
| lcuk | but thats for another day, i think im gonna change the location of the lazyloading so that it doesnt start over again when i close graffiti | 01:29 |
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| moontiger | nice work lcuk ... really | 01:39 |
| moontiger | well done | 01:39 |
| lcuk | :) thanks | 01:39 |
| moontiger | written in C? | 01:39 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:39 |
| moontiger | schweet | 01:39 |
| lcuk | ive really enjoyed picking up all my old habits :) | 01:40 |
| moontiger | yes im starting to code in C now too ... i like pythin but C is my home (and c++) | 01:40 |
| moontiger | python too | 01:40 |
| lcuk | the last time i touched c before this year was in #99 | 01:41 |
| lcuk | '99 | 01:41 |
| moontiger | wow really? | 01:41 |
| moontiger | what u been doing since then??? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | yeah, ive been coasting in visual basic for far too long ;) | 01:41 |
| moontiger | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he said the V word | 01:41 |
| * moontiger runs aroiund screaming | 01:41 | |
| lcuk | but you best thank it, cos its kept my mind sharp. making a complex vb program run well is as much an art as making a c program run excellently | 01:42 |
| mgedmin | there's nothing wrong with the V word, but the B word should not be spoken in polite company | 01:42 |
| lcuk | its just syntax | 01:42 |
| mgedmin | plus cultural baggage | 01:43 |
| moontiger | you're right lcuk ... .i was kidding :) | 01:44 |
| lcuk | heh, mgedmin i didnt realise you had taken over hte convo, hiya | 01:44 |
| mgedmin | hi | 01:44 |
| lcuk | i haven't told anyone by the way | 01:45 |
| * mgedmin blinks and searches his unclean conscience for any dirty secrets that lcuk might know | 01:45 | |
| lcuk | muahahahahahha | 01:45 |
| derf | Damn, lardman|gone is gone. | 01:46 |
| lcuk | yeah derf, i saw him drop out earlier | 01:46 |
| lcuk | right, i must dash, ive gotta align about 50 styles | 01:47 |
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| moontiger | im heading home ... finished teaching for the day :) | 02:03 |
| moontiger | laterz | 02:03 |
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| cyrus__ | Do you have to run the hildon desktop environment or can you replace it with something like lxde? | 02:33 |
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| ment | hi | 02:38 |
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| ment | any hints for mp3 player for maemo that doesn't suck? | 02:38 |
| ment | (tried canola, youamp, builtin media player) | 02:39 |
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| mgedmin | if you find one, tell me | 02:40 |
| mgedmin | the builtin media player is the least sucky one in my experience | 02:40 |
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| mgedmin | it sucks a lot, but others suck even more | 02:40 |
| ment | i hate that media library thing | 02:40 |
| mgedmin | I hate the 2-second delay for every action | 02:41 |
| mgedmin | I hate how you cannot skip to next song if you've stopped playing | 02:41 |
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| ment | hmm i've never got that far | 02:41 |
| mgedmin | I hate how it doesn't show the full filename | 02:41 |
| mgedmin | so if you have mp3 files with artist - album - title and no tags inside, you have no chance to see what the tracks are | 02:42 |
| ment | who would care for usability as long as it looks like iphone (this is the case of canola) | 02:43 |
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| closet | cyrus__: Was that a general query about the tablets? There're projects like deblet (http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet) which will let you use other lxde or whatever. | 03:13 |
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| closet | cyrus__: And to answer your question from a few days ago about logging into a linux box, if you set up XDMCP (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/procedure.html) and then do something like "Xephyr -query ipaddress :1" on your tablet, you might just be able to get to a login screen. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20342 might give you some tips on installing/using Xephyr from within the maemo GUI. :) | 03:44 |
| AStorm | hmmh, xephyr for tablet would be nice, yes | 03:50 |
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| AStorm | albeit slow | 03:50 |
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| cyrus__ | closet - ok...thanks | 04:43 |
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| cyrus__ | closet - one thing. Deblet is a whole other OS though isn't it (actually installed it already). But is it possible to just replace the hildon desktop with something else (like lxde or xfce) | 04:46 |
| yigal | is there a gvim port for maemo? | 04:46 |
| yigal | using vim in the maemo xterm is really challenging, beyond what I think is reasonable | 04:48 |
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| yigal | I see debian has vim-gtk for both testing and unstable for armel, but I can't imagine they will work | 04:55 |
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| yigal | I mean I see this post http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21719 but are they talking about installing debian and then installing these packages on top of a full debian install or on diablo | 05:02 |
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| bef0rd | boo | 05:19 |
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| * mgedmin has a new tablet moment | 05:59 | |
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| mgedmin | ooh, ancient OS version | 06:00 |
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| mgedmin | hey, the extras repository is broken!!!! | 06:25 |
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| mgedmin | without extras I can't get openssh | 06:27 |
| mgedmin | or fbreader | 06:27 |
| mgedmin | noooooooooo! | 06:28 |
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| mgedmin | oh, extras-devel | 06:29 |
| mgedmin | stupid me | 06:29 |
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| mgedmin | hey, maemo-mapper is not installable! | 06:45 |
| mgedmin | libhildonfm2 (=1:2.0.5) is missing | 06:45 |
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| mgedmin | EVERY OS FEATURE UPGRADE DISABLES THE MAEMO EXTRAS CATALOG! WTF! | 07:14 |
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| mgedmin | why maemo-mapper is in Category: other? | 07:15 |
| mgedmin | why not in Navigation? | 07:15 |
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| mgedmin | hm, maemo-mapper's postinst exited with code 1 | 07:16 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if that's just a case of a missing 'exit 0' at the end | 07:16 |
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| mgedmin | no | 07:19 |
| mgedmin | "maemo-select-menu-location maemo-mapper.desktop" fails | 07:20 |
| mgedmin | dpkg -L maemo-mapper shows the desktop file was dropped into / | 07:23 |
| mgedmin | instead of /usr/share/applications/holdon/ | 07:23 |
| mgedmin | err, hildon/ | 07:23 |
| mgedmin | broken package!!! | 07:23 |
| mgedmin | seen gnuite | 07:23 |
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| zakkm | Does anyone know roughly how much a N800 would cost me? | 07:25 |
| mgedmin | less than $400, since that's how much a N810 would cost you | 07:26 |
| mgedmin | (amazon has them for around $360, I believe) | 07:26 |
| summatusmentis | used you can probably get them around $200-$300 | 07:26 |
| zakkm | no honestly, i bought a N770 many months ago but i got the WSOD so i decided to trash it but I want the N800 now. | 07:26 |
| zakkm | N800? | 07:26 |
| zakkm | the N810 in store is $349.99 | 07:26 |
| zakkm | $200-300 is too much isn't it? | 07:27 |
| johnx | look for an n800 with an sd card of some type included, used for ~$200 | 07:27 |
| johnx | they were going for less new for a while before all the stock was sold out | 07:27 |
| * aspect paid $200aud a few months ago for n800 .. n810 goes for about $450aud | 07:27 | |
| zakkm | whats the aud exchange rate? im Canadian | 07:28 |
| * mgedmin updates https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2736&group_id=29&atid=185 | 07:28 | |
| * mgedmin hates the sourceforge-style bug tracker | 07:28 | |
| zakkm | Is it possible to install Gentoo on the N800 ? | 07:28 |
| mgedmin | google knows everything, including exchange rates | 07:28 |
| mgedmin | no | 07:28 |
| mgedmin | well, maybe, for some values of "install" and "Gentoo" | 07:28 |
| johnx | zakkm, if you have time and want to start the project yourself, | 07:28 |
| mgedmin | but for any reasonable values the answer is "no" | 07:29 |
| zakkm | lol | 07:29 |
| johnx | there's no reason it wouldn't work | 07:29 |
| johnx | it just hasn't been done | 07:29 |
| zakkm | i have used Gentoo very well for my pc in the past and use it for a mini download server | 07:29 |
| zakkm | I meant like since most people do debian, wouldnt gentoo technically work? | 07:29 |
| zakkm | Or is there some sort of block? | 07:29 |
| johnx | yes, of course, but it wouldn't be practical | 07:29 |
| zakkm | Why not? | 07:30 |
| johnx | no block in particular except time spent compiling | 07:30 |
| zakkm | I will compile on my pc, not the tablet. | 07:30 |
| zakkm | It wont have many apps. | 07:30 |
| zakkm | Its not a PC. | 07:30 |
| johnx | even glibc takes a long time | 07:30 |
| johnx | but sure, go ahead | 07:30 |
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| zakkm | Oh also is mpd avaliable on maemo? | 07:30 |
| johnx | I think so. check gronmayer.com/it and maemo.org /downloads | 07:31 |
| johnx | or ... google :P | 07:31 |
| zakkm | oh cool there is | 07:31 |
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| johnx | zakkm, so you going to start the gentoo project? :) I know other people were interested but somehow nothing got started it seems | 07:38 |
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| zakkm | Well first, I have to continue working to get the money for one. ( 17 years old, highschool ) Then i would have to find a obtain a new one but afterwards yes i would start | 07:38 |
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| johnx | sounds good. keep in mind that if you plan to use the command line a lot, you might want to get an n810 instead, since it has a keyboard | 07:42 |
| zakkm | I heard bluetooth keyboards work well with the n800 ? | 07:43 |
| zakkm | Also i can ssh it from my computer can't i? | 07:43 |
| johnx | of course | 07:43 |
| zakkm | I cant afford anything more than the N800 | 07:44 |
| zakkm | Even the N800 is alot. | 07:44 |
| johnx | I know the feeling | 07:44 |
| zakkm | I liked my N770 alot. I can't believe i got WSOD | 07:44 |
| zakkm | i got it on the second week of buying and since i bought off ebay. I couldn't return. | 07:45 |
| johnx | I blew all my money when I was younger on getting my own desktop right when they started coming below $1000 | 07:45 |
| aspect | gentoo on nit? o.O | 07:45 |
| zakkm | why not? | 07:45 |
| johnx | aspect, sure why not. all it takes is lots and lots and lots of time | 07:45 |
| zakkm | Its as lightweight as you can get? Won't try LFS of course. | 07:45 |
| johnx | it would be the same difference in the end | 07:46 |
| zakkm | Besides compile and setup time, how much extra time can it possibly take? | 07:46 |
| zakkm | I mean like.. can make "installers" | 07:46 |
| johnx | hacking some packages that don't build for armel can take a surprising amount of time | 07:46 |
| zakkm | all Nokia n800's are the same aren't they? | 07:46 |
| johnx | yup, and the n810 and n800 have the same cpu/chipset/memory | 07:47 |
| zakkm | oh really? | 07:47 |
| zakkm | So then yeah. besides the project itself. it can replace Debian | 07:47 |
| * aspect thinks the question is not "why not" but "why". Then again, I'm not 17 any more. | 07:47 | |
| zakkm | aspect, sorry. | 07:47 |
| aspect | it's okay, I quite enjoy growing up :) | 07:47 |
| johnx | zakkm, i think it's a great project and even if it doesn't work out perfectly you'll have a lot of fun or at least learn a lot :) | 07:48 |
| aspect | but being 17 was fun too :) | 07:48 |
| * johnx rebuilt most of his linux distro from source circa redhat 5.1 :) | 07:48 | |
| zakkm | circa 5.1 ... | 07:48 |
| * zakkm can't think back that far | 07:48 | |
| aspect | heh. I still remember the adventure of upgrading my slackware box to glibc :) | 07:49 |
| johnx | things move fast, eh? | 07:49 |
| * zakkm started at either redhat 7 or 8 | 07:49 | |
| johnx | ugh. rh8 was a nightmare | 07:49 |
| aspect | these days all I need is my cane and apt-get | 07:49 |
| zakkm | they all were then :P | 07:49 |
| zakkm | these days all i need is my Mac :D | 07:49 |
| johnx | debian was fine, but rh8 was especially broken | 07:49 |
| zakkm | debian existed then? | 07:50 |
| aspect | debian: linux for codgers | 07:50 |
| aspect | o.O | 07:50 |
| aspect | debian has been around for a loooong time, son :) | 07:50 |
| johnx | zakkm, debian is ooold :) | 07:50 |
| zakkm | Haha | 07:51 |
| aspect | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html | 07:51 |
| zakkm | I just remember redhat 7-9 and then a huge jump to fedora core 4 | 07:51 |
| zakkm | I guess i found some other hobby then | 07:51 |
| zakkm | debian is pronouced deb ee an? | 07:51 |
| zakkm | i always pronouced it .. de be an | 07:51 |
| zakkm | So what NITs do the two of you have? | 07:52 |
| johnx | n800 | 07:52 |
| aspect | same | 07:52 |
| johnx | better deal than the n810 as long as you don't care about the keyboard | 07:52 |
| aspect | n810 is not worth the keyboard and gps at the cost of fixed camera, losing a memory slot and twice the price | 07:53 |
| aspect | oh, and the radio | 07:53 |
| johnx | sometimes I really want the keyboard :/ | 07:53 |
| johnx | distro timeline if anyone's interested in nostalgia: http://www.kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-files/44218-gldt76.png | 07:54 |
| aspect | I will get around to buying a bt keyboard at some point ... | 07:54 |
| aspect | ah, I was looking for that :) | 07:54 |
| zakkm | oh I have one question if you dont mind | 07:54 |
| johnx | sure, go ahead | 07:54 |
| aspect | does anyone else remember the infomagic CDs? | 07:55 |
| zakkm | My friend is looking to buy a N800, was totally into my N770 when i had it.. He asked if the GPS works even if no wifi is found? | 07:55 |
| zakkm | I didnt know the answer. | 07:55 |
| aspect | n800 has no gps | 07:55 |
| zakkm | the n810 gps | 07:55 |
| johnx | well the GPS works no matter where you are, but if you need to download maps you need wifi... | 07:56 |
| aspect | I have no idea why he thinks it would depend on wifi | 07:56 |
| zakkm | The problem is here, the N810 is $349.99 instore, warranty etc.. but N800s dont sell | 07:56 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 07:56 |
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| zakkm | well you have to download maps? | 07:56 |
| zakkm | or update them possibly | 07:57 |
| johnx | the most popular map application on the n8x0 (maemo-mapper) downloads maps over the internet. You can download them ahead of time, but if you don't then you're out of luck without wifi | 07:57 |
| zakkm | I dont know. | 07:57 |
| johnx | there's also an included map application, but the maps just cover the US and Europe and a couple other countries | 07:57 |
| zakkm | k thanks. He seems very interested by that. | 07:57 |
| zakkm | Oh | 07:57 |
| zakkm | We're in Canada? | 07:57 |
| zakkm | Toronto, Canada | 07:57 |
| johnx | I'm sure that's covered | 07:57 |
| johnx | I should have said north america :) | 07:57 |
| zakkm | Ok, just making sure. | 07:58 |
| johnx | a good thing to do...lots of people buy these assuming things and end up frustrated | 07:58 |
| zakkm | haha yeah. | 07:58 |
| zakkm | I'm a big fan of asking on irc. | 07:58 |
| zakkm | and idling in them and going through logs | 07:58 |
| johnx | lots of good info in the logs here and on google in general | 07:59 |
| johnx | wiki.maemo.org is also pretty great | 07:59 |
| aspect | n800s don't sell new anywhere any more afaik; but in canada you should be able to come across one second hand with a bit of patience | 07:59 |
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| zakkm | My friend saw one on craigslist brand new in box for $190 | 08:00 |
| johnx | pretty good deal | 08:00 |
| johnx | that's about the price to look for I think | 08:00 |
| zakkm | I saw one a couple months back on tigerdirect ( which has many locations in my city ) for $229.99 but i didn't have the money | 08:00 |
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| johnx | one more thing for the gps...you have to pay for routing with the built in map application, and for maemo-mapper it uses google for routing, so you need an inet connection to get new routes | 08:01 |
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| johnx | that's probably what your friend was thinking of | 08:01 |
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| zakkm | Would it be bad to buy one second-hand thats used? | 08:01 |
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| johnx | an n800? probably fine. | 08:01 |
| johnx | no moving parts, built like a little tank. if you get it from craigslist, make sure you test the touchscreen | 08:02 |
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| johnx | if you get it from ebay, make sure they say stuff works and give you a DOA guarantee | 08:02 |
| johnx | batteries are pretty cheap and easy to find, so that's no problem | 08:03 |
| zakkm | theres alot of ppl selling for $180-220 on craigslist | 08:03 |
| zakkm | but used | 08:03 |
| zakkm | $170 even | 08:03 |
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| johnx | it all depends on the condition, but like I said, they take a *lot* of abuse and still look nice | 08:04 |
| zakkm | yeah but would i have to test wifi , bluetooth. .etc/ | 08:05 |
| zakkm | like i bought the nokia n770 and two weeks later i got wsod -.- | 08:05 |
| zakkm | couldn't fix | 08:05 |
| yigal | I can't find a conclusive answer but it appears there is no vim-gtk that at this point works in diablo - in my case an n800. If this is operational perspective, that there is none, can anyone suggest an editor that works nicely for making coding that is gui? | 08:05 |
| johnx | that would be best I think. touchscreen and wifi would be my biggest concerns | 08:05 |
| johnx | WSOD or similar doesn't happen to n8x0s | 08:05 |
| johnx | it was a design flaw with the 770 | 08:05 |
| zakkm | yigal: qt4 ? | 08:06 |
| johnx | yigal, maybe pygtkeditor? or scite? | 08:06 |
| zakkm | oh pfft vim-gtk -.- | 08:06 |
| yigal | zakkm: will check those out, they are available at this time? | 08:07 |
| johnx | I *think so*, sorry can't check now | 08:07 |
| yigal | excuse me zakkm I meant johnx, confusing sorry | 08:07 |
| zakkm | yigal: i didnt realize you said vim-gtk .. so dont look up qt4 :p | 08:07 |
| yigal | johnx: don't worry I will | 08:07 |
| yigal | zakkm: no need to | 08:07 |
| zakkm | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ <-- pygtkeditor | 08:08 |
| zakkm | yigal : .. | 08:08 |
| yigal | thank you | 08:08 |
| zakkm | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/scite/ <-- scite | 08:08 |
| zakkm | johnx: i know they dont but it was annoying. I just spent $85 on something i only got to use for two weeks | 08:09 |
| zakkm | ( I paid $85 for the Nokia N770 ) | 08:09 |
| yigal | they look good, not vim, but I'll get over it, using vim in the osso-xterm I just can't get used to, via ssh it's great to have though | 08:10 |
| zakkm | nokia N800 Tablet w/ 128mb and 4G sd's - $170 ??? sounds good? | 08:10 |
| johnx | yeah, that would really suck | 08:10 |
| zakkm | why you using vim ? | 08:10 |
| yigal | zakkm: for me, it's the best text editor | 08:10 |
| zakkm | use nano XD .. if that works well on NITs | 08:10 |
| zakkm | or even just vi | 08:11 |
| yigal | zakkm: :), no I'm not that type of minimalist | 08:11 |
| johnx | vi is fine, but drives me crazy with the onscreen keyboard O_o | 08:11 |
| zakkm | use abiword :D lol | 08:11 |
| yigal | that's bloat | 08:11 |
| zakkm | its a joke. | 08:11 |
| yigal | yes, it was funny | 08:11 |
| johnx | zakkm, sure. just make sure you can poke at it first | 08:11 |
| yigal | but not as funny as using openoffice | 08:11 |
| zakkm | :D | 08:11 |
| zakkm | i would never use openoffice | 08:11 |
| zakkm | dont like it | 08:12 |
| zakkm | screw the bloat part. | 08:12 |
| yigal | zakkm: good luck with the n800, I'm really liking mine | 08:12 |
| zakkm | Thanks | 08:12 |
| zakkm | how much did you pay for it? | 08:12 |
| yigal | an even $200 - ebay | 08:12 |
| zakkm | ah | 08:12 |
| zakkm | trying to find it as cheap as possible | 08:12 |
| yigal | could have got it for less, but I didn't want to waste too much of my time for the deal | 08:12 |
| johnx | zakkm, don't go too cheap and end up with a paperweight... | 08:13 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:13 |
| zakkm | nokia N800 Tablet w/ 128mb and 4G sd's - $170 <-- how does that sound? | 08:13 |
| zakkm | meet in person.. so no shipping or anything | 08:13 |
| johnx | yigal, he's going to start building gentoo, natively. I think time must not be a problem... | 08:13 |
| zakkm | haha | 08:13 |
| zakkm | Im in Highschool with a part-time job. | 08:13 |
| zakkm | it looks good though. | 08:13 |
| yigal | wow, obviously not, sounds like a good buy | 08:14 |
| johnx | seems like a good deal | 08:14 |
| zakkm | onesec | 08:14 |
| zakkm | http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/870210648.html | 08:14 |
| zakkm | used though, but apparantly comes with everything | 08:14 |
| yigal | sounds good, if it is what it claims to be | 08:15 |
| zakkm | gonna take me a few weeks to save up $170 | 08:16 |
| johnx | ah man, all that nice stuff I didn't get with mine... | 08:16 |
| * johnx bought a floor model | 08:16 | |
| zakkm | what's that? | 08:16 |
| johnx | a demo unit | 08:16 |
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| johnx | at a compUSA store that was closing | 08:16 |
| zakkm | so just device and charger? | 08:16 |
| johnx | yup. I'm lucky the guy found the charger, too | 08:16 |
| zakkm | Haha | 08:17 |
| johnx | and it had been abused for ~3 months before I got my hands on it | 08:17 |
| zakkm | Desperate for a NIT? | 08:17 |
| johnx | well, it was ~30% off, right after they had just come out | 08:17 |
| * summatusmentis has been contemplating selling his n810 | 08:18 | |
| zakkm | summatusmentis: i offer you $100 XD | 08:18 |
| zakkm | and my computer | 08:18 |
| zakkm | well .. the tower | 08:18 |
| summatusmentis | zakkm: I don't know I want to... I just don't know that I use it enough | 08:18 |
| zakkm | heres a thought, use it more. :P | 08:19 |
| summatusmentis | I carry a laptop with me most of the time, I prefer the full keyboard | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, nokia-repositories has been fixed for the next update. | 08:19 |
| zakkm | johnx: apps work on maemo/NITs as long as the dependencies are met and it compiles, right? | 08:19 |
| zakkm | compiles succesfully in armel * * | 08:19 |
| johnx | zakkm, yes, to some extent at least | 08:20 |
| johnx | remember, 128MB of RAM and 400MHz is all you get | 08:20 |
| summatusmentis | although, my nit works well for surfing the net under the desk in calss :) | 08:20 |
| zakkm | I mean is that all thats required? | 08:20 |
| summatusmentis | class* | 08:20 |
| zakkm | summatusmentis: be human and use it above the desk :D | 08:21 |
| johnx | zakkm, as a bare baseline, yes. whether it's particularly usable depends on the requirements of the app and its interface | 08:21 |
| zakkm | oh okay | 08:21 |
| * johnx pictures summatusmentis sitting under his desk in class | 08:21 | |
| summatusmentis | zakkm: I'm supposed to be paying attention above the desk | 08:21 |
| * zakkm pictures the teacher looking at summatusmentis supiciously | 08:21 | |
| summatusmentis | johnx: I wihs! | 08:21 |
| zakkm | so? | 08:21 |
| summatusmentis | wish* | 08:21 |
| zakkm | Whats the worst that can happen | 08:21 |
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| summatusmentis | I get called out in front of the class | 08:22 |
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| zakkm | I have a friend, highschool, he just sits in class on his laptop playing/ talking on msn. Teacher says nothing | 08:22 |
| zakkm | So? dont like that? | 08:22 |
| zakkm | wait? | 08:22 |
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| zakkm | called out of class? | 08:22 |
| summatusmentis | doesn't work as well in a math class when you have no reason to be using it | 08:22 |
| zakkm | johnx: how much does the newest OS2008 take in terms of ram usage? | 08:23 |
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| zakkm | by a "top" amount. | 08:23 |
| zakkm | with no apps opened. | 08:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | top is entirely meaningless. | 08:23 |
| zakkm | ahh sorry | 08:23 |
| zakkm | "free" | 08:23 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, not entirely for strict memory free or cached after boot | 08:23 |
| zakkm | screw cache | 08:24 |
| zakkm | how much is left | 08:24 |
| zakkm | once you include cache it will always be full.. more-or-less | 08:24 |
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| johnx | 15MB free 48MB cache | 08:24 |
| zakkm | are you serious? thats crap | 08:25 |
| johnx | eh? | 08:25 |
| zakkm | thought theres 128mb? | 08:25 |
| johnx | uh yeah | 08:25 |
| johnx | desktop, weather applet, rss reader, various applets | 08:25 |
| zakkm | Is 2008OS quicker/more reponsive than 2007 ? | 08:25 |
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| johnx | x server, libgtk, a pretty background | 08:25 |
| zakkm | it uses xorg? | 08:26 |
| johnx | kdrive actually | 08:26 |
| zakkm | background - feh? | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 has a whole extra 70MHz. . . . | 08:26 |
| johnx | zakkm, yes, helped significantly by a CPU speed boost from 320MHz to > 400MHz | 08:26 |
| zakkm | yeah but the version might be more intensive | 08:26 |
| johnx | it is | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, you don't want to use OS2007. | 08:26 |
| johnx | but it's worth it in every way | 08:26 |
| zakkm | k | 08:27 |
| johnx | heck, try it out, then try to find apps for it or sites that work right with the browser | 08:27 |
| zakkm | can you overclock it? lol just curious | 08:27 |
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| johnx | maybe, no one has, though some have looked around | 08:27 |
| johnx | if you're an experienced kernel hacker, have a go :) | 08:28 |
| zakkm | lol no | 08:28 |
| johnx | then the answer is no | 08:28 |
| zakkm | the most ive done as far as that is concerned is kernel configuration | 08:28 |
| zakkm | actual editing of kernel, no thanks. | 08:28 |
| johnx | overclocking a device with passive cooling is really asking for trouble | 08:28 |
| zakkm | but how did they boost the cpu speed then? | 08:28 |
| zakkm | without altering the hardware | 08:28 |
| johnx | because 400MHz was the original design spec | 08:28 |
| zakkm | was it underclocked? | 08:29 |
| zakkm | or something | 08:29 |
| mgedmin | huh, I thought vim was in extras... | 08:29 |
| johnx | yup, then they did some neat tricks with frequency scaling to solve the power drain | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to fry it. | 08:29 |
| zakkm | So 2008 takes more power than 2007 ? | 08:29 |
| mgedmin | oh, it is in extras-devel | 08:29 |
| mgedmin | any reason not to promote? | 08:29 |
| zakkm | cause its dev stuff? | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, OS2008 can take more or less depending on the use-case. | 08:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, that's not what Extras-devel is about. . . . | 08:30 |
| johnx | zakkm, probably not. the CPU normally sits at 160MHz when idle, where before it was always 320 | 08:30 |
| zakkm | i know | 08:30 |
| zakkm | devel is beta isnt it? | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 330 | 08:30 |
| * johnx thinks in bogoMIPS :) | 08:30 | |
| johnx | yes, 330MHz | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's beta, but it's not category:developer's tools. | 08:30 |
| zakkm | i know | 08:31 |
| zakkm | i just said that :p | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | [1:29am] <zakkm> cause its dev stuff? | 08:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ implies that it's for developer's tools, no matter their stability. | 08:31 |
| zakkm | zakkm | 08:31 |
| zakkm | devel is beta isnt it? | 08:31 |
| zakkm | lol this irc client is weird. but yes i said that before you said it | 08:32 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, extras-devel implies that it's dev stuff | 08:32 |
| mgedmin | extras devel is dev stuff in the sense it's stuff that's in development | 08:32 |
| mgedmin | not stuff that is for developers | 08:32 |
| zakkm | but if its in normal extras. then people will try it, get curious, google it etc | 08:32 |
| zakkm | and say how does it work , etc | 08:32 |
| zakkm | while if its kept in extra-devel then they can say .. its for experts only | 08:32 |
| zakkm | which developers stuff and beta stuff both are .. well beta somewhat | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | A stable version of vim wont hurt anybody. | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They install it, find out it's not useful them them, and uninstall it. | 08:33 |
| johnx | OMG stable vim *dies* | 08:34 |
| zakkm | yes but you dont wanna category it with other things | 08:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 08:34 | |
| zakkm | it belongs in devel in my opinion | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nevermind | 08:34 |
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| * mgedmin drops some flowers on johnx's grave | 08:34 | |
| johnx | zakkm, nah, extras is anything that's safe and generally working, no matter who it's for | 08:34 |
| zakkm | anyways, there is no developement section anyways | 08:34 |
| zakkm | is there? | 08:34 |
| zakkm | Its been awhile since i last saw a repo list | 08:34 |
| johnx | there's a devel category in extras, IIRC :) | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, by the way, user/nagivation isn't a valid section. | 08:35 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 08:35 |
| mgedmin | strange | 08:35 |
| mgedmin | the app installer showed it to me when I only had nokia's default repos | 08:35 |
| johnx | nevermind, I lied | 08:35 |
| johnx | but there is a programming section | 08:35 |
| mgedmin | (stupid thing keeps disabling extras after every OS feature upgrade) | 08:35 |
| zakkm | called programming? | 08:36 |
| johnx | zakkm, yes, it's a subcategory of the extras repo | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | accessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | themes, tools | 08:36 |
| zakkm | mgedmin: it might overwrite settings with default = off | 08:36 |
| zakkm | oh | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, like I said, it's been fixed for the next release. | 08:36 |
| mgedmin | oh, that's what you meant | 08:36 |
| yigal | zakkm: pygtkeditor very nice it even has some tex/latex syntax highlighting, thanks for telling me about it | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, well, Nokia isn't compliant with their own packaging policy. | 08:36 |
| zakkm | i was referring to normal linux repos .. i havent used a NIT in along time | 08:36 |
| mgedmin | heh | 08:37 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:37 |
| johnx | zakkm, think debian for the most part | 08:37 |
| zakkm | johnx told you about it | 08:37 |
| mgedmin | anyone here with admin access to extras-devel? | 08:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 | 08:37 |
| zakkm | yigal: johnx told you, i just linked it. | 08:37 |
| mgedmin | there's a package with broken control file that breaks the app manager | 08:37 |
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| zakkm | johnx: yeah but i didnt relaize there was a section called programming | 08:37 |
| yigal | oh yes, then more props for johnx, I'm going to bed I obviously can't think | 08:37 |
| zakkm | oh wow i was write | 08:37 |
| yigal | thanks johnx | 08:37 |
| zakkm | it overwrities :P | 08:37 |
| zakkm | right* | 08:38 |
| mgedmin | easy-deb-chroot, iirc | 08:38 |
| johnx | zakkm, heh...that's because the nokia guys make up their own sections, as do other people contributing packages to extras | 08:38 |
| johnx | zakkm, yeah, it *really* shouldn't though | 08:38 |
| zakkm | Software Packages in "lenny", Subsection devel | 08:38 |
| zakkm | see i picked development | 08:38 |
| zakkm | debian classifies that as devel | 08:38 |
| zakkm | it doesnt count betas as devel.. | 08:39 |
| zakkm | I was right .. just about debian, not NITs way. | 08:39 |
| zakkm | http://packages.debian.org/testing/ <-- and click development | 08:39 |
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| johnx | zakkm, debian and the distro on the NITs has diverged quite a bit, especially in naming | 08:40 |
| moontiger | johnx... is it ok to use glib in a dbus client for the deblets? | 08:40 |
| zakkm | I know but GeneralAntilles was telling me i was wrong, when i wasn't | 08:40 |
| zakkm | Well almost not wrong. just was talking about something else. | 08:40 |
| zakkm | Maemo is Debian right? | 08:41 |
| moontiger | zakkm, maemo isnt debian as such | 08:41 |
| zakkm | does Maemo use /etc/rc.d for services? | 08:41 |
| moontiger | it is based on debian | 08:41 |
| zakkm | ahh | 08:41 |
| zakkm | daemons | 08:41 |
| johnx | zakkm, there were more related 3 years ago, but no it's not, and yes, you were technically wrong :) | 08:41 |
| moontiger | and maemo is a modified gnome desktop afaik | 08:41 |
| johnx | s/there/maemo and debian/ | 08:41 |
| infobot | johnx meant: zakkm, maemo and debian were more related 3 years ago, but no it's not, and yes, you were technically wrong :) | 08:41 |
| zakkm | its gnome? really? | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras-devel is about stability, not about package section. | 08:42 |
| johnx | zakkm, only in the loosest sense | 08:42 |
| moontiger | a modified gnome | 08:42 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:42 |
| mgedmin | both Maemo and Debian have the letter 'e' in their name | 08:42 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it *is* a confusing name though | 08:42 |
| zakkm | just gtk but nothing else? | 08:42 |
| mgedmin | and the letter 'a', too! | 08:42 |
| moontiger | hildon | 08:42 |
| mgedmin | gconf | 08:42 |
| zakkm | hildon is nit only isnt it? | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu MID uses Hildon | 08:42 |
| zakkm | oh | 08:42 |
| johnx | zakkm, gtk, dbus, x11, | 08:42 |
| moontiger | hildon will run on ubuntu | 08:42 |
| zakkm | handheld device stuff | 08:43 |
| zakkm | hal ? :P | 08:43 |
| zakkm | lol | 08:43 |
| johnx | Hardware Abstraction Layer | 08:43 |
| moontiger | yes it has hal via dbus | 08:43 |
| moontiger | well it has hal | 08:43 |
| moontiger | and u can access it via dbus | 08:43 |
| zakkm | i know.. does it have hal? | 08:43 |
| zakkm | i know what hal is | 08:43 |
| zakkm | what file would be edited to add daemons to startp? | 08:44 |
| zakkm | startup* | 08:44 |
| moontiger | johnx, do you know about the deblets stuff? | 08:44 |
| zakkm | Is there any daemons i could possibly remove to save memory? | 08:44 |
| johnx | moontiger, why would it not be ok to use dbus and glib on deblet? | 08:44 |
| johnx | sorry I didn't see the questions earlier | 08:45 |
| johnx | zakkm, metalayer-crawler | 08:45 |
| moontiger | well sts asked me if i could write a battery monitor for deblet | 08:45 |
| moontiger | so im using dbus to get to hal | 08:45 |
| zakkm | From the slide, it shows that the next internet tablet includes 3G HSPA, a TI OMAP3 processor, OpenGL graphics accelerator, and Maemo 5 OS. | 08:45 |
| zakkm | should i wait? | 08:45 |
| johnx | moontiger, that seems reasonable I think | 08:45 |
| johnx | zakkm, can you have $500 by next june, and wait that long? | 08:46 |
| zakkm | next june? really | 08:46 |
| johnx | plus or minus a month or two | 08:46 |
| zakkm | opengl acceleration in NITs would help alot though | 08:46 |
| zakkm | how fast are TI OMAP3's? | 08:46 |
| johnx | close to the intel atom, clock for clock, IIRC | 08:47 |
| whodat | I updated to the latest version of OS2008 and I can no longer make a bluetooth connection to the internet through my treo, it worked with the older version of OS2008 that came with it factory. any ideas? | 08:47 |
| zakkm | haha | 08:47 |
| zakkm | i have the intel atom on my cpu :) | 08:47 |
| zakkm | that im using now for my pc | 08:47 |
| zakkm | got the D945gclf motherboard :D | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 is 2-3x faster than OMAP2 | 08:47 |
| whodat | error message is "internet connection failed" | 08:47 |
| moontiger | johnx i was wondering if using glib was also ok or if i should keep to the low level c api | 08:47 |
| johnx | zakkm, interesting choice | 08:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | A 600MHz Cortex A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11. | 08:48 |
| zakkm | Its fast enough, Mac OSX works natively on it | 08:48 |
| zakkm | I dont know what Cortex's are. :P | 08:48 |
| johnx | moontiger, I think it should be fine. most environments that people would use on deblet that need a battery meter would already depend on glib | 08:48 |
| moontiger | ok cool :) | 08:48 |
| zakkm | sounds like the tablet is very very slow | 08:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardly | 08:48 |
| zakkm | the N800 that is. | 08:49 |
| johnx | zakkm, from your perspective? likely :P | 08:49 |
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| zakkm | My N770 was so slow :P | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/N770/770/g | 08:49 |
| johnx | the n800 is a lot faster than that | 08:49 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, please give it up | 08:49 |
| zakkm | I realize that but still. | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, it's my job. | 08:49 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, how much does pedantry pay? | 08:50 |
| * moontiger laughs | 08:52 | |
| johnx | there was supposed to be a :P after that :D | 08:52 |
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| johnx | zakkm, what was your first computer? | 08:54 |
| moontiger | johnx, glib isnt gtk is it? | 08:55 |
| moontiger | gtk is built on glib right? | 08:55 |
| johnx | moontiger, gtk depends on glib | 08:55 |
| moontiger | so i can use glib WITHOUT pulling in gtk yes? | 08:55 |
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| johnx | yes | 08:55 |
| moontiger | coolio thnx ... im new to gtk programming so sorry if i ask dumb questions | 08:56 |
| moontiger | :) | 08:56 |
| * johnx doesn't really program in gtk at all, just hacks things until they compile | 08:56 | |
| moontiger | heh | 08:56 |
| moontiger | its kinda frustrating cos im a senior level programmer on other platforms but learning from scratch again is odd | 08:57 |
| moontiger | fun but odd | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice, Qole broke Extras-devel | 08:57 |
| johnx | aaaawesome | 08:58 |
| qwerty12 | Someone get him a scratchbox :P | 08:58 |
| johnx | I knew those debian guys were up to no good! | 08:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://slexy.org/view/s21i5J86TJ | 08:58 |
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| johnx | wow....just wow | 08:59 |
| johnx | never saw that one | 08:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders why in the world UPS is giving me an estimated delivery of Saturday. | 08:59 | |
| johnx | because your had something shipped UPS? | 09:00 |
| doc|home | ups-- | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Saturday? | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | He put it in non-free, too. . . . | 09:00 |
| qwerty12 | Hah. all the depends line is: | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody go beat qole up with a rubber hose. | 09:00 |
| qwerty12 | Depends: bzip2, tar, wget | 09:00 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 09:00 |
| johnx | don't they deilver on saturday with certain shipping deals? like some super-priority-expresso shipping option? | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, sure, but I only paid for Ground. | 09:01 |
| johnx | or maybe it's just a lie to kill your plans for saturday :) | 09:02 |
| johnx | I know I'd do that | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wont be here anyway. | 09:02 |
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| johnx | uhm...your refridgerator will be delivered between 8PM saturday and whenever the bars close | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is powerlaunch really necessary for Debian chroot? | 09:03 |
| qwerty12 | I'm sure he removed the need for it in his latest versions | 09:03 |
| mgedmin | why on earth is ./configure claiming I don't have gtk+-2.0 in my scratchbox? | 09:03 |
| johnx | does it want a later version? are the headers there? | 09:04 |
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| zakkm | is gtk+-2.0 registered? | 09:04 |
| zakkm | sorry i left ;p | 09:04 |
| qwerty12 | registered? sounds like windows and it's dlls... | 09:05 |
| zakkm | johnx: my first computer, was a 486 i believe lol | 09:05 |
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| qwerty12 | s/it's/its | 09:05 |
| zakkm | ?? | 09:05 |
| zakkm | registered, as in, in the package manager? | 09:05 |
| zakkm | packages are registered , version number, what repo it came from etc. | 09:05 |
| qwerty12 | ah, never heard of it like that | 09:05 |
| johnx | zakkm, well it's faster than that. think a ~400MHz PII or PII w/ 128MB of RAM and a 5,400 hard drive | 09:05 |
| mgedmin | maybe debuild was a bad idea | 09:06 |
| mgedmin | ./configure works if I run it myself | 09:06 |
| mgedmin | let me try dpkg-buildpackage | 09:06 |
| zakkm | oh really? | 09:06 |
| zakkm | N800 or the new one coming out? | 09:06 |
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| zakkm | qwerty12: how would it know if gtk+-2.0 if it didnt say anywhere that it was installed/wasnt? | 09:06 |
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| johnx | zakkm, n800 | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | The new one will be faster than N800 for sure but as none of us have tried it, you can bet on the N800 :P | 09:07 |
| zakkm | really? | 09:07 |
| zakkm | 400mhz P2 w/ 128mb ram? | 09:07 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm, meh, I've used headers fine when I've compiled it from tarball myself | 09:07 |
| johnx | zakkm, configure isn't tied to a package manager or even to linux | 09:08 |
| zakkm | thats awesome | 09:08 |
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| zakkm | i know | 09:08 |
| zakkm | its coreutils | 09:08 |
| zakkm | well make .. probably? | 09:08 |
| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: any ideas on how to fix extras-devel? | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to kill easy-deb-chroot | 09:09 |
| johnx | have qole dunput? | 09:09 |
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| qwerty12 | Lets promote it! | 09:10 |
| mgedmin | into /dev/null | 09:10 |
| mgedmin | maemo wiki is incredibly slow tonight | 09:11 |
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| * mgedmin uploads pwsafe to extras-devel autobuilder | 09:16 | |
| zakkm | would PekWM work well on the N800? | 09:16 |
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| mgedmin | hmm, is the bug in the package, or is the bug in the archive? | 09:21 |
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| qwerty12 | Packages file I guess. Look, he has an empty depends: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/non-free/binary-armel/Packages | 09:23 |
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| moontiger | wow somebody broke the whole repo?? | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor qole | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | He may never upload another package again. | 09:25 |
| mgedmin | he uploaded one with a fixed debian/control | 09:25 |
| mgedmin | but the archive script includes both of them in the Packages file | 09:25 |
| mgedmin | someone should fix the script | 09:25 |
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| mgedmin | to omit empty Depends: lines from the output | 09:26 |
| mgedmin | what's the bug tracker for the extras-devel repository problems? | 09:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org of course | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hah @ qole uploading a broken package | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | told him to make a debian package from scratch instead of the hacky .deb stuff | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:36 |
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| * GeneralAntilles fires off an email to Boingo about the package section. | 09:37 | |
| mgedmin | reported as https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3796 | 09:37 |
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| notcoolbuthot | hi, did someone worked a bit with the osso-pdf-viewer code ? | 09:42 |
| notcoolbuthot | did you managed to open a file in the emulator or on the device when launching it ? | 09:43 |
| notcoolbuthot | *when launching it from the host pc that is | 09:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, one positive response. | 09:56 |
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| zap | Are there available sources for at least the simplest modules in /lib/dsp (e.g. pcm)? | 10:33 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Make a wiki page with a nice table ;) | 10:35 |
| X-Fade | s/Make/Create/ | 10:35 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: GeneralAntilles: Create a wiki page with a nice table ;) | 10:35 |
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| prak | what would you suggest to use for me to sync my n810 with my laptop? | 10:53 |
| prak | other than using usb? | 10:53 |
| prak | something like live mesh but works on the n810 | 10:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, 3 positive responses so far! | 10:54 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What does your mail say? "You suck! Fix ur ShiTZ" | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something like: "Hi there! Your package x specifies an invalid section "y". This goes against the platform packaging policy. Section a, b, or c would be more appropriate. Thank you for your time!" | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, positive mails and offering a solution helps. | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That is how I do it too. | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Most developers actually care, they just need a bit of a push. | 11:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder about user/navigation | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Make sure to add to: https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Navigation would be a useful category? | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno | 11:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maps uses it | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | I'm trying to create a reasonable list and get them in the policy before Fremantle. | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems like it could be | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | As we've got a much larger focus on location-based stuff than other platforms | 11:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Mapper is currently in Other | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | which is a weak catch-all. | 11:04 |
| X-Fade | Hmm I wonder what happened here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/pwsafe_1.3.1-0mg1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 11:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, did you see that Extras-devel is broken? | 11:05 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: What broke? | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3796 | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | easy-deb-chroot has a blank depends line in Packages. | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not really sure what's up. | 11:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the older version of easy-deb-chroot broke things. | 11:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | He fixed it in the latest upload. | 11:06 |
| X-Fade | Ah yeah, that is the same issue. | 11:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Categorization just plain sucks. | 11:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Should bug kontto about UKMP | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/kontto/konttori/ | 11:28 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Should bug konttori about UKMP | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, I think we should try to push the Maemo-specific packaging fields as part of the categorization stuff | 11:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | pretty name, icon, upgrade details, etc. | 11:31 |
| X-Fade | Yes, that would be a good thing. | 11:31 |
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| RST38h | General: Ah, just skip the last t and declare hi Japanese =) | 11:40 |
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| RST38h | s/hi/him/ | 11:40 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: General: Ah, just skip the last t and declare him Japanese =) | 11:40 |
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| dannym | hi | 12:06 |
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| X-Fade | I wonder if we will see UBIFS on our tablets soon. | 12:45 |
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| RST38h | Only if Nokia decides to pick it up for / | 12:49 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, why would you? | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "on-the-flight compression" | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Well, it will be so much better than jffs2 ;) | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather just move away from the NAND setup. | 12:50 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, but that is unlikely. | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | 3 sd ports thank you very much | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 12:51 |
| lcuk | x-fade, thats an interesting aside, you are in a better position than anyone to push it. seems like it ticks all the right boxen for a flash fs | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Moving away from NAND also means we can put more RAM in the PoP. | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Lol, you give me way too much credit ;) | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 12:51 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: I'm absolutely in _no_ position to push things like that ;) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'd love a nokia with 3 sd ports, for easy backup of internal software, etc :P | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. mirroring or raid ;) | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 has support for it. | 12:52 |
| lcuk | heh, ok then, GeneralAntilles pack your gavel - you need to go knock some heads to get the core elements in place | 12:52 |
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| lcuk | x-fade :) maybe push was too strong, you are in the right place to enquire and ask. sometimes thats all thats needed | 12:53 |
| lcuk | oh, and you can hold the server to ransom ;) | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | "ill turn off the n770 if we dont get ubifs ;) | 12:54 |
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| woglinde | hm is ubifs stable enough? | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: I have no idea. | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | It just got merged in 2.6.27. | 12:56 |
| woglinde | hm the site says it will be in 27 | 12:56 |
| woglinde | this could mean it is somehow stable | 12:56 |
| woglinde | args that means a next todo on my list to integrate this into openembedded | 12:57 |
| woglinde | where is my clone machine | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: It only works on raw mtd devices, so make sure you know what you are doing ;) | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | LMAO, "The French mobile service provider Bouygues Telecom had recently asked Apple to have the right to sell iPhones (only Orange has the right to do that). Apple replied to this request, and said they saw no problem with them selling iPhones, as long as they sold them with Orange contracts." | 12:58 |
| towo | hehe. | 12:58 |
| RST38h | General: SDRAM size issue is mostly cost-dependent | 12:58 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, thats class | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, more like availability dependent. | 12:58 |
| RST38h | Chips are about the same size and consume about the same power, but bigger SDRAM chips cost more | 12:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There aren't any PoPs with 512MB yet. | 12:58 |
| woglinde | X-Fade: hm which device has raw mtd? | 12:59 |
| RST38h | yea, installing two effectively doubles your power drain and cost | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: The tablets? :) | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I think that's Apple very polite way of saying "Go fuck yourself" | 12:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Micron/Samsung has 128MB RAM/256MB NAND or 256MB RAM/No NAND. | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | Apple's** | 12:59 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, either way, its bag on accurate | 12:59 |
| lcuk | bang | 13:00 |
| RST38h | That's a weird chip and I would rather prefer Nokia does not use it | 13:00 |
| lcuk | anyway, time for more tps reports :( | 13:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why's it weird? | 13:00 |
| woglinde | x-fade ah I sea that means if I have a /dev/mtd? device than I am fine | 13:00 |
| RST38h | combines RAM + NAND on a single die. Probably good for cheap/small devices with limited memory requirements | 13:00 |
| RST38h | For something like our tablets, it effectively limits the RAM size | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: It works on raw flash devices. So directly on the chip. Managed flash chips are not supported (e.g. thumbdrive). | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way they're not going to use one or the other. | 13:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every other OMAP3 device uses the 128/256 PoP | 13:02 |
| RST38h | yes but I would rather prefer that they use 256MB SDRAM chip and a dirt-chip 1GB managed NAND | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 256/0 PoP. . . . | 13:02 |
| RST38h | The latter can be head for peanuts right now and later upgraded to higher capacities as they become cheap | 13:02 |
| RST38h | s/head/had/ | 13:03 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: The latter can be had for peanuts right now and later upgraded to higher capacities as they become cheap | 13:03 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, done anything with your beagleboard lately? | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, still haven't invested the time to recover it. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Well, I guess that they will look very careful at their BOM ;) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | that's for sure | 13:03 |
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| RST38h | especially if the end device is going to sell for <=$400 | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would it? | 13:04 |
| RST38h | N810 does | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't possibly imagine it being cheaper than the N810. | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, to start. | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | At least more care will be taken to the multimedia part of the product. | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | So no crappy/hissing audio out etc ;) | 13:05 |
| RST38h | XFade: Yea, but that, thankfully, is almost free | 13:05 |
| RST38h | btw, I like current audio out, it beats my poor Toshiba R100 hands down | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is pretty poor in the N810. | 13:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Getting a little USB amp working would be cool. | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You really don't want to use headphones and listen to good music ;) | 13:06 |
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| crashanddie | external USB soundcard could be nice | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I don't listen to good music in a generally accepted sense :) | 13:09 |
| woglinde | x-fade yes but the questions is how do I know that I have raw mtd stuff | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Typically if you have some embedded device ;) | 13:09 |
| RST38h | crash: That should actually be easy to make work, although most of those have shitty audio output | 13:09 |
| woglinde | x-fade hahahaaaaaaa | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, not really, back at home I had an external sound card we used in the studio, the quality beat a lot of mid-range internal sound cards | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, we did pay over a grand for it, and it uses 2 USB ports | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | woglinde: Even extranal storage cards don't qualify. | 13:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | External stuff doesn't have to deal with the noise hell that is a computer case. | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | s/extranal/external/ | 13:11 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: woglinde: Even external storage cards don't qualify. | 13:11 |
| RST38h | crash: I mean $11 USB cards :) | 13:12 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, :P | 13:12 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, and what music do you listen to then? | 13:13 |
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| woglinde | hm I will test it | 13:14 |
| RST38h | crash: Tom Lehrer, Decemberists, and a bunch of Russian bands you do not know about. | 13:14 |
| crashanddie | oh, Tom Lehrer, my forbidden love | 13:15 |
| * crashanddie hums "Pollution, pollution" | 13:15 | |
| * RST38h obviously prefers "Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park" | 13:15 | |
| crashanddie | "Who's next" is awesome, too | 13:16 |
| RST38h | although I had "Lobachevsky" in the infinite loop while working on the PhD thesis | 13:16 |
| RST38h | Who's Next is kinda outdated but it looks like it is gonna apply again | 13:16 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: re "on the flight compression", this is what jffs2 already does btw | 13:17 |
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| jsmanrique | hi! | 13:18 |
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| xorAxAx | hmm, maemo 4.0 doesnt have libgc-dev but 4.1 will have, right? | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, jffs2 does compression on an airplane? | 13:18 |
| jsmanrique | is cairo supported in pymaemo? | 13:18 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I thought that too when I read it :) | 13:18 |
| woglinde | *g* | 13:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously jffs2 does compression, but what they meant to say was "on-the-fly". ;) | 13:19 |
| lardman | must be someone non-English who wrote it | 13:19 |
| lardman | I know, jffs2 does this though | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | And you can turn it on/off per inode. | 13:19 |
| lardman | ok, that jffs2 can't do | 13:19 |
| xorAxAx | indeed, the difference page reports that. so if i want to use libgc-dev on 4.0, how would i do that? | 13:20 |
| X-Fade | And there is something about filesystem size and ram which it limiting on jffs2? | 13:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 13:20 |
| jsmanrique | it seems so | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It loads the whole fs structure into memory on mount. | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which ends up taking forever when you start pushing the GB range. | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is really the biggest problem with jffs2 | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's horrifyingly unscalable. | 13:21 |
| xorAxAx | any idea? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: so sd boot has advantage of taking less time to mount, i guess? | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, 256MB isn't all that much. | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's not compressed, so it has that advantage. | 13:22 |
| RST38h | If I remember correctly, Linux should allow gzipping individual executables | 13:23 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:23 |
| RST38h | ehlo, hrw | 13:23 |
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| lardman | hi hrw | 13:25 |
| hrw | jffs2 on 512MB starts to be unusable | 13:27 |
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| xorAxAx | any idea how i can get a package that is only avaialble in 4.1 running on 4.0? normal debian backporting procedure? | 13:28 |
| X-Fade | And jffs2 doesn't have writeback support? | 13:28 |
| hrw | brb - reboot to 2.6.27 | 13:28 |
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| lardman | hrw: do you know roughly what a bitbake world takes up in terms of disk space atm? | 13:37 |
| * lardman is looking to buy a hard disk for a dev box | 13:37 | |
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| hrw | lardman: for one machine and no rm_work used? | 13:39 |
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| lardman | yep, please | 13:40 |
| hrw | lardman: buy 500GB one - you will have spare space | 13:40 |
| lardman | ok | 13:40 |
| lardman | ~lart ide | 13:40 |
| * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples ide's foot to the floor | 13:40 | |
| hrw | lardman: I do not remember when last time I tried world build with Oe | 13:40 |
| lardman | I know, i was just looking for a rough idea of space, IDE drives are expensive cf. SATA | 13:40 |
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| derf | lardman: So, I ran into some trouble getting the code to actually run. | 13:42 |
| lardman | derf: ah ok, what was the error? | 13:43 |
| derf | DSP configuration ... failed | 13:43 |
| derf | Trying to restart dsp_dld | 13:43 |
| lardman | which came out of dsp_dld? | 13:43 |
| derf | Yeah. | 13:43 |
| lardman | yep, sounds like you made a mistake in the conf file | 13:43 |
| lardman | It doesn't check the modules for compliance before loading them, so that's not it | 13:44 |
| lardman | did you create a .cmd file? | 13:44 |
| lardman | did you rename the dummy.cmd file and place it in /lib/dsp/modules/ for example | 13:44 |
| derf | Yes, I did. | 13:44 |
| lardman | (as you're not supposed to do this :)) | 13:44 |
| derf | Well, it didn't work when I didn't do that, either. | 13:44 |
| lardman | dummy.cmd is just used for the compilation/linking process | 13:44 |
| lardman | ok, so did you remove the cmd file path from dsp_dldavs.conf? | 13:45 |
| lardman | dsp_dls_avs.conf even | 13:45 |
| lardman | argh, I can't type | 13:45 |
| derf | I tried it both with and without the .cmd file. | 13:45 |
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| derf | Without the file, it was also not specified in the .conf. | 13:46 |
| lardman | ok | 13:46 |
| lardman | I'll have a look at lunch time in ~1hr | 13:46 |
| derf | Hmm, although... | 13:46 |
| derf | I noticed the .o file was around 97k, which of course seems ridiculously large. | 13:47 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there's some no-brainer ways to speed up qemu-arm | 13:47 | |
| derf | So I trimmed some of the crap out that wasn't really supposed to be compiled in. | 13:47 |
| lardman | hmm, what happened in the compiler output? Did it strip the tinkernel? | 13:47 |
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| derf | (kiss_fft.c and kiss_fftr.c aren't needed if you're using dsplib, which we are) | 13:47 |
| derf | When I was trying without the .cmd, it was with the 97k file. | 13:48 |
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| lardman | yeah, mine looks to be ~96k and I know that stripped ok | 13:48 |
| derf | Well, now it's down to ~75k. | 13:48 |
| derf | (and I can make that smaller, if need be, but it involves some work setting up static modes) | 13:48 |
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| lardman | I wouldn't expect the size to be an issue at dsp kernel startup time though | 13:49 |
| derf | And that appears to actually load. | 13:49 |
| derf | However, now I get: Open DSP device error:: Device or resource busy | 13:50 |
| lardman | ah ok | 13:50 |
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| lardman | well that's interesting | 13:50 |
| lardman | size issue at dsp kernel startup | 13:50 |
| lardman | ok, so now what you need to do is open a separate terminal window and run "dsp_dld -p" in it | 13:50 |
| derf | I did. | 13:50 |
| lardman | ok, so has it told you what the error is? | 13:50 |
| derf | No, it output absolutely nothing at all. | 13:51 |
| derf | I mean, after the initial startup messages. | 13:51 |
| lardman | yeah, you have to try quite a few times | 13:51 |
| lardman | sometimes it doesn't output the error for some reason | 13:51 |
| derf | ! | 13:51 |
| derf | loading /lib/dsp/modules/celttask.o. | 13:51 |
| derf | symbol __lmpysu not found | 13:51 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | ok, so there it is | 13:51 |
| lardman | I don't have the source in front of me I'm afraid | 13:52 |
| derf | It looks to be a 16.16 signed-unsigned multiply. | 13:53 |
| derf | Not sure where it's supposed to be defined, but in theory one of the TI libraries. | 13:53 |
| lardman | is it something your code tries to use? | 13:53 |
| derf | Yes. | 13:53 |
| lardman | right | 13:53 |
| derf | In fixed_c5x.h | 13:53 |
| lardman | although many of the library files are compiled in, perhaps that one isn't | 13:54 |
| derf | So it should be coming from dsplib. | 13:54 |
| lardman | is dsplib a static lib though, it probably pulls in the parts it needs | 13:54 |
| lardman | and perhaps that wasn't one of the, | 13:54 |
| lardman | them | 13:54 |
| derf | It was certainly needed. | 13:54 |
| lardman | no, I mean in the dsp kernel, as that already has many of the libraries compiled in | 13:55 |
| lardman | curious that you didn't get a linker error when you compiled though | 13:55 |
| derf | Yeah. | 13:55 |
| lardman | is your machine running Diablo? | 13:56 |
| derf | No. | 13:56 |
| lardman | chinook? | 13:56 |
| derf | Yes. | 13:56 |
| lardman | ah, you've probably linked against the wrong dsp kernel | 13:56 |
| derf | Oh, well where do I get the right one? | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | I HAVE A JOB :D | 13:56 |
| derf | crashanddie: Congrats. | 13:56 |
| lardman | derf: /lib/dsp/avs_kernel.out | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie gets to be a productive member of society now! | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | woo | 13:57 |
| trickie|work | crashanddie: nice one, congrats | 13:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: congrats | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone | 13:57 |
| lardman | bbiam | 13:57 |
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| derf | lardman|afk: Well, I linked against the dspgw-os2008/avs_kernel.out, which does differ from dspgw-diablo/avs_kernel.out, so I'm not sure that's it. | 13:59 |
| derf | Yeah, that's identical to the one I have on the device. | 14:00 |
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| hrw | re | 14:05 |
| hrw | lardman|afk: if your machine lack sata controller and price of pata disks are much bigger then sata ones then consider buying sata controller... | 14:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, hearty congrats, and you must be so relieved :) | 14:08 |
| * lcuk raises a glass | 14:08 | |
| crashanddie | cheers :) | 14:10 |
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| lardman | derf: ok, the 2008 one is probably the same for chinook + diablo | 14:11 |
| lardman | the other one is for the 770 | 14:11 |
| derf | lardman: It differs from the one in dspgw-diablo | 14:11 |
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| lardman | hmm | 14:11 |
| lardman | ok | 14:11 |
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| lardman | so you've linked against the right one anyway? | 14:12 |
| derf | Correct. | 14:12 |
| derf | Also, for reference lmpysu appears nowhere in /opt/ti_dsptools/ | 14:12 |
| derf | And is ungoogleable. | 14:12 |
| lardman | ok, including in the dsplib? Is that in that tarball? | 14:12 |
| derf | (which is odd, because I know Google indexes CELT's git repo) | 14:13 |
| derf | lardman: Including dsplib, untarred. | 14:13 |
| lardman | ok | 14:13 |
| lcuk | include the _ _lmpysu | 14:13 |
| derf | Google normally strips all punctuation... I guess I have no idea what they consider punctuation. | 14:14 |
| derf | But that does indeed turn up the CELT source. | 14:14 |
| lcuk | google is word based an_ is considered part of a word | 14:14 |
| derf | And nothing else. | 14:14 |
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| lardman | I wonder if that is a c64x dsplib fn; who wrote your dsp code? | 14:20 |
| derf | I don't know... some guy JM was working with. | 14:21 |
| lardman | I'd be surprised if multiplies were in the dsplib rather than in the main code | 14:21 |
| derf | Whatever "the main code" is. | 14:22 |
| lardman | what is MULT16_16SU supposed to do? | 14:22 |
| lardman | ah, main code being the headers and asm which comes with the toolchain | 14:22 |
| lardman | withouth the extra libs | 14:22 |
| lardman | without needing the extra libs that is | 14:22 |
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| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru376a/spru376a.pdf gives a list of intrinics, which I guess that would be | 14:28 |
| lardman | p76 | 14:28 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5061517/leaked-htc-t8290-has-touch-hd-resolution-wimax-sharp-corners <== photoshop? | 14:28 |
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| lardman | derf: what does the su on the end signify? Multiply signed and then make unsigned? | 14:29 |
| lardman | or vice versa? | 14:29 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | I cannot install maemo-mapper on my N810 ... says a package is missing | 14:29 |
| lardman | zetheroo-ubuntu: which package.....? | 14:29 |
| derf | lardman: Multiply a signed number by an unsigned one. | 14:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's something wrong with the one in Diablo Extras. | 14:30 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | lardman: I'll check now | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Two files get installed into /// | 14:30 |
| derf | So the result is still signed, but only one operand has a sign bit. | 14:30 |
| RST38h | That is what is wrong | 14:30 |
| RST38h | God knows why it worked for me though: probably didn't delete older files | 14:30 |
| lardman | derf: int _smpy(int src1, int src2); Multiplies src1 and src2, and shifts the result left by 1. Produces a saturated 16-bit result. (SATD and FRCT bits set) | 14:31 |
| lardman | that's all there is in the instriniscs for the c55 | 14:31 |
| lardman | (and a version which handles longs) | 14:31 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | lardman: just says "Unable to install maemo-mapper" | 14:32 |
| lardman | zetheroo-ubuntu: see GeneralAntilles' comment | 14:33 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | oh ... something wrong ... ok | 14:33 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | yeah .. casue now its not there anymore | 14:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | zetheroo-ubuntu, give it a week. | 14:33 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | ok ,,, | 14:34 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | map is saying its a triel app | 14:34 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | trial | 14:34 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | whats up with that? | 14:34 |
| lardman | derf: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru198i/spru198i.pdf p49, it's a c64x intrinisc | 14:35 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | is there any other program for GPS that can be used freely in Maemo? | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navit | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Roadmap | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carman | 14:36 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | are they free-of-charge | 14:36 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | ? | 14:36 |
| lardman | yes | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | You did specify "freely" didn't you? ;) | 14:37 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | yes ... thanks | 14:37 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | woudl they all be in the repos? | 14:37 |
| lardman | no, check Garage | 14:37 |
| RST38h | Scratch Navit and Roadmap | 14:38 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | Garage? | 14:38 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | why? ... no good? | 14:38 |
| derf | lardman: Aha. | 14:38 |
| lardman | though really you maty as well grab the previous version of maemo-mapper from Garage, the others are less polished (so far) | 14:38 |
| RST38h | Neither really works =( | 14:38 |
| lardman | derf: looks like he assumed | 14:38 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | well up until now I have been having an extremely difficult time getting the GPS going on the N810 ... | 14:39 |
| derf | I mean, supposedly the guy actually has a c55x, since he gave us performance numbers for it. | 14:39 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | takes forever to lock on and looses the lock very easily | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if we could talk Nokia into putting some polish on Maemo Mapper. | 14:39 |
| lardman | derf: strange, perhaps he implemented the fn himself in a header and forgot to push it? | 14:39 |
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| lardman | derf: I'm sure you can create a wrapped pretty quickly | 14:40 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | will GPS work better with some software than with others? .. or is it just all about the hardware? | 14:40 |
| lardman | GPS is the hardware | 14:40 |
| lardman | and yes, it's the hardware+firmware combo which is good or bad | 14:41 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | so no matter what the software I will always battle like this to get the lock on.... sigh ... :( | 14:41 |
| lardman | yes | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install agps | 14:41 |
| lardman | use agps-ui though to give yourself a headstart | 14:41 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | I have installed agps .... | 14:41 |
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| zetheroo-ubuntu | but its almost an empty app | 14:41 |
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| zetheroo-ubuntu | like there are not buttons | 14:42 |
| lardman | you tap on the map | 14:42 |
| lardman | and it handles the rest | 14:42 |
| lardman | make sure you close the app before trying the gps tho | 14:42 |
| derf | lardman: There _is_ already a generic version. | 14:42 |
| derf | However JM doesn't think the SU case is handled correctly in it. | 14:43 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | close the app before trying the gps? ... | 14:43 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | I don't get it... | 14:43 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | whats the app for? | 14:43 |
| derf | lardman: However, just using that for now gets me to: | 14:44 |
| derf | symbol _cbrev32 not found | 14:44 |
| derf | link failed. | 14:44 |
| derf | And that _is_ in dsplib. | 14:44 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | so I should open agps and then close it? ... and then use map or another GPS mapping app? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | zetheroo-ubuntu, having a best guess pre-estimate of location so that the system doesnt have to start from scratch everytime | 14:45 |
| lardman | zetheroo-ubuntu: whichever app you want to use | 14:45 |
| lardman | derf: let me have a look | 14:46 |
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| derf | All I did was comment out the #undef/#define pairs for MULT16_16SU and MULT_16_16 in fixed_c5x.h. | 14:46 |
| zetheroo-ubuntu | lcuk: so its not something I can use to actually view GPS maps... | 14:46 |
| lardman | ok | 14:46 |
| lcuk | no | 14:47 |
| lardman | derf: looks like the dsplib is actually lots of asm, it may be that that fn is not included in the dsp_kernel, so just stick it in the list of sources and see what happends | 14:48 |
| derf | Stick what in the list of sources? | 14:48 |
| lardman | cbrev32.asm | 14:48 |
| xorAxAx | any idea how i can get a package that is only avaialble in 4.1 running on 4.0? normal debian backporting procedure? | 14:48 |
| lcuk | xorAxAx, yes | 14:51 |
| lcuk | 1)grab source | 14:52 |
| lcuk | 2)change refs | 14:52 |
| lcuk | 3) ??? | 14:52 |
| xorAxAx | ok :) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | 4) hopefully profit | 14:52 |
| derf | lardman: It appears none of the FFT functions are linked in. | 14:53 |
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| derf | Manually adding .asm files seems like the wrong way to do this. This is what we have linkers _for_. | 14:54 |
| lardman | well the library comes uncompiled from the looks of it | 14:55 |
| lardman | oh no, I tell a lie | 14:55 |
| lardman | what happened when you did try to link against the .lib? | 14:55 |
| lardman | I seem to remember seeing some "already defined" style warnings | 14:56 |
| derf | No, target mismatch warnings. | 14:56 |
| derf | Well, errors. | 14:56 |
| lardman | you need to link against the 55xdspx.lib file | 14:58 |
| lardman | not the other one (without the x) | 14:58 |
| derf | Aha! (why are there two if one of them is wrong?) | 14:59 |
| lardman | large and small memory models | 14:59 |
| lardman | and there are other models for which you'd need to recompile yourself | 14:59 |
| derf | Still getting _cfft32_SCALE not found. | 15:00 |
| lardman | case? | 15:00 |
| derf | And now my DSP appears to be hosed. | 15:01 |
| lardman | oh no, seems that SCALE is correct | 15:01 |
| derf | But hey, at least I was able to reload several times before having to pull the battery to restart it this time. | 15:01 |
| lardman | ah yes, DSP crashing is usual, it's unstable | 15:01 |
| lardman | try "dspctl reset" instead | 15:02 |
| derf | Oh, it already rebooted the device for me. | 15:02 |
| derf | Which is, like, convenience itself. | 15:02 |
| lardman | ah, if dsp_dld stays down too long you get that | 15:02 |
| lardman | you have to be quick on the draw ;) | 15:02 |
| lardman | I also thing diablo is a bit slower to reset, but perhaps I've just become faster | 15:04 |
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| derf | Okay, working through some more things... | 15:07 |
| lardman | ok | 15:08 |
| derf | It looks like it links now. | 15:08 |
| derf | section .fftcode: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM). | 15:08 |
| derf | section .fftcode: size = 0x0001ba, align = 0x1 ... no space left in DARAM! | 15:08 |
| derf | section .fftcode: failed to place! | 15:08 |
| lardman | will you push the changes somewhere? I'll have quite a backlog to get up-to-date | 15:08 |
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| derf | Yeah, at some point. | 15:08 |
| lardman | ok, looks like you need a linker cmd file after all | 15:08 |
| lardman | grep .fftcode and see what the #PRAGMA says | 15:08 |
| lardman | actually you don;t even need to do that | 15:09 |
| derf | It's from the dsplib asm, no pragma. | 15:09 |
| lardman | might be worth knowing how large the data to be placed in that section are though | 15:09 |
| derf | size = 0x0001ba, | 15:09 |
| lardman | doh | 15:09 |
| lardman | hang on, I'll write you a cmd file | 15:10 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: Your not going to the ELC in Ede at the beginning of November are you? | 15:11 |
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| lardman | JamieBennett: not that I know of, how much does it cost? | 15:11 |
| JamieBennett | 80 euro for independants | 15:11 |
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| JamieBennett | £100 for the flight | 15:12 |
| lardman | cash is a bit tight atm, paying for wedding | 15:12 |
| hrw | I wonder how they decide are you pro or ind | 15:12 |
| lardman | so probably not I'm afraid | 15:12 |
| RST38h | your own wedding? | 15:12 |
| JamieBennett | hrw: If you affiliated with a company I suppose | 15:12 |
| hrw | lardman: you are marrying? | 15:13 |
| hrw | JamieBennett: I have own one-person company | 15:13 |
| hrw | and worked for CELF in past | 15:13 |
| hrw | as company | 15:13 |
| JamieBennett | hrw: Is it embedded linux based? | 15:13 |
| lardman | derf: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/ | 15:13 |
| hrw | JamieBennett: openembedded/poky consulting is embedded linux | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So far, positive responses on Pidgin, gnokii, stardict, and all of fiferboy's stuff. | 15:13 |
| lardman | make that http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/dsp/ | 15:14 |
| JamieBennett | hrw: Then I suppose you _should_ pay the full whack but if your not going to be recognised then ... | 15:14 |
| derf | And replace dummy.cmd with that in the Makefile, I assume? | 15:14 |
| lardman | derf: you might want to chance the alignment eventually to produce faster code, I'm not sure | 15:14 |
| lardman | no, no need to do any recompiling now | 15:14 |
| RST38h | General: Fiferboy's on-screen icon dock does not work properly | 15:15 |
| lardman | just stick that on the device in ../modules/ and give the path in dsp_dld_avs.conf | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's still beta. | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Config crashes and the dock itself crashes as well | 15:15 |
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| lardman | s/..modules//lib/dsp/modules/ | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Yea, I know... Just wouldn't recommend it to people at the moment | 15:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it is in Extras-devel. :P | 15:15 |
| JamieBennett | hrw: If you decide to go then drop me a mail, we can meet up for a beer | 15:16 |
| derf | section .twiddle32: size = 0x002000, align = 0x4 ... no space left in DARAM! | 15:16 |
| derf | section .twiddle32: failed to place! | 15:16 |
| derf | Can that also go in EXTMEM2? | 15:16 |
| lardman | derf: yep, anywhere you want it to go | 15:17 |
| lardman | just stick in another line in the SECTIONS {} list | 15:18 |
| lardman | it might be worth moving them all to SARAM in truth, but let's get it running first hey | 15:18 |
| RST38h | General: It is in Extras too | 15:20 |
| RST38h | General: Just doesn't work well (causing me some discomfort :)) | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is, isn't it. | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 15:20 |
| derf | Woohoo! adding _task_testcelt(@15711c) into system. | 15:21 |
| derf | Segmentation fault | 15:21 |
| derf | And that's all the time I have to work on this today. | 15:21 |
| lardman | derf: just fyi a list of the previously declared MEMORY and SECTIONS can be found in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd | 15:21 |
| lardman | derf: segfault, nice | 15:21 |
| derf | The segfault is from the ARM side testcelt. | 15:22 |
| lardman | well do upload the changes and I'll take a look at it too | 15:22 |
| derf | So maybe not that bad. | 15:22 |
| lardman | ah ok, not so bad then | 15:22 |
| lardman | easier to debug anyway :) | 15:22 |
| derf | http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/celt/dsp/ | 15:25 |
| lardman | cool :) | 15:25 |
| derf | I moved your testcelt.c to celttask.c so I wouldn't have to worry about overwriting it when copying source around. | 15:25 |
| lardman | ok | 15:25 |
| lardman | you wanted to split it into 2 separate tasks? encode + decode? | 15:26 |
| derf | I think you also had a bksnd where you meant to have a bkreq. | 15:26 |
| derf | lardman: Or make one task that does multiple operations. | 15:26 |
| lardman | quite possible | 15:26 |
| derf | Usually if you're doing one, you want both anyway. | 15:26 |
| lardman | right | 15:26 |
| derf | Just not at the same time. | 15:26 |
| lardman | :) | 15:26 |
| derf | Anyway, I can write that code once I figure out how to get things to actually run. | 15:27 |
| derf | Writing code is the easy part. | 15:27 |
| lardman | ok, np | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/10/justice_dept_microwave_rifle/ | 16:00 |
| RST38h | hehe | 16:00 |
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| Barnabas | hey...can anybody told me why i get a "permission denied" by executing "./blabal.bin".....the file has "x":):( | 16:08 |
| lardman | on the mmc card? | 16:08 |
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| Barnabas | ähm yes?) | 16:08 |
| lardman | not allowed to execute anything on them | 16:08 |
| lardman | mount option | 16:08 |
| Barnabas | oh.....ok....:) | 16:09 |
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| Barnabas | thanks:) | 16:09 |
| lardman | np | 16:09 |
| Barnabas | the padawan had a lot to learn... | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Maybe it is a windows executable too? =) | 16:12 |
| Barnabas | oh now i get diff: not found.....---: not found.....+++:not found....@@:not found....syntax error:word unexpected(expecting")").... | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | you get it by typing random stuff into the console | 16:25 |
| RST38h | It may be easier for us all if you just tell what exactly you want to achieve | 16:25 |
| Barnabas | ok sry:) | 16:26 |
| Barnabas | i try to execute the attachment-001.bin ...the driver-patch to get wpa_supplicant work | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Who told you to execute it? Where did you get it from? | 16:27 |
| Barnabas | a link in a forum on ITT :https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html | 16:28 |
| RST38h | ok, reading... | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Ok. The attachment-001.bin is really a source code patch. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | You are supposed to apply this patch to the cx3110x driver SOURCE CODE and then compile and use the patched driver. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | You cannot execute the patch> even although it has .bin extension, it is just a piece of text. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Am I being clear enough? | 16:30 |
| Barnabas | oh ok... | 16:30 |
| Barnabas | yes sure | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Good. | 16:30 |
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| Barnabas | but...sry im tired right now from university.....what i have to do now?....find the orig driverfile an override the source and compile?:( | 16:32 |
| RST38h | You should not worry about this stuff | 16:32 |
| RST38h | You should also ask the original patch provider to post the patched and compiled driver | 16:33 |
| RST38h | s/ask/plead/ | 16:33 |
| infobot | RST38h meant: You should also plead the original patch provider to post the patched and compiled driver | 16:33 |
| Barnabas | mh ok i ask:) thanks you | 16:34 |
| Barnabas | -s | 16:34 |
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| melmoth | anybody experience strange gconf behaviour since diablo ? | 16:40 |
| melmoth | i cannot destroy old key in scratchbox | 16:40 |
| melmoth | no error message, but no change. works with new keys | 16:40 |
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| melmoth | there is definitevly something completly weird with the way gconftool-2 manage gconf entry in diablo | 17:06 |
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| melmoth | it just "does not work" nor on scractchbox, nor on the tablet | 17:06 |
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| melmoth | the keys appears as present even if they are not there anymore. changes occurs after a reboot. | 17:06 |
| melmoth | that is, as far as app are concerned, the goncftool still show them as present | 17:07 |
| * melmoth is puzzled | 17:07 | |
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| Barnabas | where can i find the startup-picture and the sound? | 17:19 |
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| Barnabas | ok i found the png but not yet the sound-file | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | 7999! 7999! | 17:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Zombies yet? | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | General: Dunno, I only see bears with vodka bottls | 17:51 |
| jott | we need a big dow home screen applet. rejoice! | 17:51 |
| RST38h | jott: With Wall Street webcam watching the pavement | 17:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles, I got your email. I can try but I may have to get X-Fade to sort out my SSH keys for me | 17:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:53 |
| RST38h | How familiar | 17:53 |
| qwerty12 | I realised my keys were on there *after* I formatted my Linux partition :P | 17:53 |
| RST38h | Do those SSH keys will *ever* work from the first attempt? =) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Oh, you need another invite... | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | *sigh*, I'll reboot into Linux and generate another pair and bug X-Fade :P | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | Iceland is for sale -- on eBay. It has great scenery and wildlife but the financial situation is in need of repair and a buyer must collect in person. Bidding started at 99 pence but had reached 10 million pounds ($17.28 million) by mid-morning on Friday. | 17:59 |
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| crashanddie | Globally renowned singer Bjork was “not included” in the sale, according to the notice, but there were nonetheless 26 anonymous bidders and 84 bids. “Located in the mid-Atlantic ridge in the North Atlantic Ocean, Iceland will provide the winning bidder with — a habitable environment, Icelandic Horses and admittedly a somewhat sketchy financial situation,” the notice reads. | 18:00 |
| RST38h | crash: There are rumors that .RU gov is buying it for $4b in loans | 18:00 |
| RST38h | Too many offshores there, can't allow it to fail | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | Bidders’ questions included: “Do you offer volcano/earthquake insurance?”, “Is it possible that my payment will be frozen?”, “Is this the tip of the iceberg?” and “Will you accept C.O.D. as a form of payment?” | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | ls | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: pong | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off, gotta celebrate :) | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | take care people, see you next week, or sumthin | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh yeah, did qole's chroot mess get fixed? | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, broken links on Downloads: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3798 | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: SDK | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bora and Gregale under the OS & SDK section on the right column are broken | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Yes, that is a SDK issue. Or the documentation team. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | I didn't break those links :) | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | They export this documentation from an external system. So I guess something broke there or they reorganized? | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | I can fix the links to point at a new location of course. | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy pushed some categorization fixes | 18:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Soooo slooooow | 18:06 |
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| X-Fade | Personal Menu will have a better category too. | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | Ah yeah, that is fiferboy :) | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | I mailed with him. | 18:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what they should point to. | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | WTF, http://slexy.org/view/s2hVz0pmlP | 18:12 |
| jott | qwerty12: export DEBFULLNAME="xxx" && export DEBEMAIL="xxx@yyy.zz" | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | Thank you jott, but I'm still getting the "+3: No such file or directory" :( | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | I'll try reexporting EDITOR | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, that worked :) | 18:14 |
| jott | :) | 18:14 |
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| zs | hi, what's wrong with maemo.org, i am trying to connect but i got xml parser error :/ | 18:16 |
| qwerty12 | ~upload-extras | 18:19 |
| infobot | i heard upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 18:19 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: I lost my old SSH key, is it possible to just change the ssh key that is on the Account Maintenance page, or should I request another invite? | 18:20 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12: Just replace it on that account page. | 18:30 |
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| qwerty12 | X-Fade: Is recreating an PGP key necessary? If so, I can't see an option to put that on the same page. I lost that too due to reformatting. | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | No, not if you still have it ;) | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | It you lost it, I do need to send you a new invitation. | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I'll need to do that. I'm on the page right now :) | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Mail is on it's way ;) | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, ok, thanks! | 18:32 |
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| qwerty12 | Got it, thank you! | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | I want to reupload by today :) | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm also thinking about removing the shell spawning feature of rootsh | 18:34 |
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| qole | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-10-08.log.html | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: happy birthday! | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | It doesn't set environment variables properly. I'll replace it with a printf telling the person to use root | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Thanks! :) | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | #3798 -> Fixed | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it would be cool if a bot could announce that ;) | 18:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, what, bug closings? | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sure. | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, jott's mostly there. | 18:37 |
| X-Fade | go jott! | 18:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Either give him some incentive to finish it or some disincentive towards procrastinating further. ;) | 18:38 |
| qole | Stskeeps: you really need to remember that IRC is publically logged: "qole really needs to learn how to present though" | 18:38 |
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| X-Fade | Oops ;) | 18:39 |
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| qole | qwerty12: drinking age yet? | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | X-Fade: In all those mode settings, you forgot to set +u ;) | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | Ok, there is his incentive ;) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | qole: 2 years yet :p | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12: Dirty mind ;) | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | True :P | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | bbl | 18:42 |
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| qole | qwerty12: no hurry, you'll spend the rest of your life wishing you were a teen again... | 18:43 |
| qwerty12 | qole: Sounds good... :) | 18:44 |
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| qole | In my defence, I did my summit presentation on a new tablet that I had been given 20 mins before... | 18:46 |
| qole | I was the only one to try video out from the tablet... | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now Stskeeps really has to blow us away with his presentation during the next summit. ;) | 18:47 |
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| qole | And definitely the only one to use the app that I used on the tablet to present... | 18:48 |
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| qole | but that was my punchline, so i won't say what I used. | 18:49 |
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| qole | ... I broke extras-devel last night. Thankfully I fixed my package, so it's ok now. | 18:50 |
| qole | turns out you can't have a blank 'Depends:' line (blush) | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | qole: yup, but an honest observation - it got better as it progressed, and my initial presentations were similar | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | cos all ones nervousity causes one to act in strange ways | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | but good use of surprise in the end | 18:56 |
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| dneary | Hi | 18:56 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: | 18:56 |
| dneary | Ping? | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | pong | 18:56 |
| dneary | Did you nituce that Bluetooth_PAN and Bluetooth_networking are essentially the same subject? | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, PAN I mostly created new. | 18:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Didn't have the energy to go through networking and see if there was anything useful. | 18:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody with more Bluetooth experience than myself really needs to look at it. | 18:58 |
| dneary | I'd just drop it | 18:59 |
| dneary | The networking article was mostly reviewed after the wiki migration IIRC | 18:59 |
| dneary | That nituce was supposed to be a notice | 19:00 |
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| dneary | I can't see where this article came from: http://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_the_kernel | 19:00 |
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| qwerty12 | n770_defconfig? | 19:01 |
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| dneary | The [[Category:Midgard wiki]] is useful | 19:03 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Any objection to me removing Bluetooth_PAN as a duplicate? | 19:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Um, this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_networking in preference to it? | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I object. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Bluetooth networking article is basically irrelevant to OS2008 | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, look at it. | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth_PAN is short, sweet, and accurate. | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lo cyrus | 19:20 |
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| cyrus__ | hi | 19:22 |
| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - are you the one on internettablettalk that got debian to work on the n8x0? | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | cyrus__: well johnx started with a friendly dist originally and we worked together making a proper dist | 19:25 |
| cyrus__ | col | 19:26 |
| cyrus__ | cool | 19:26 |
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| cyrus__ | Stskeeps - do you know of a way - on the n810 - to replace the hildon desktop with something like xfce or lxde (like you did in deblet)? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | people have done kde | 19:28 |
| cyrus__ | on the n810? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, in maemo | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | but its more trouble than what its worth often | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | we try to do a proper alternative os | 19:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't know how anybody can use KDE on the tablets. | 19:30 |
| cyrus__ | ya..i am looking to stick with maemo (do to the applications available for it) but really do't like the hildon desktop | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i'm starting to see the appeal of deblet+hildon though | 19:31 |
| StsN800 | cyrus__, i hope to be able to port maemo extras apps quite straight to deblet eventually though | 19:34 |
| cyrus__ | k | 19:35 |
| StsN800 | but xfce on maemo might give similar issues though | 19:35 |
| StsN800 | cyrus__, what apps do you miss on deblet? | 19:39 |
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| korgoth | hey guys | 19:47 |
| korgoth | anyone aroudn | 19:48 |
| summatusmentis | I'm not | 19:49 |
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| korgoth | i installed something called switchboard on my n810 | 19:55 |
| korgoth | then rebooted and now the device keeps rebooting constantly | 19:55 |
| korgoth | anyone had this problem? | 19:55 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: I've uploaded a new version of rootsh including the change from user/accessories to user/tools. As I've made a few other changes, I'll leave it in extras-devel (both chinook and diablo) until someone can verify 1.4 works fine. I'd happily test but this charger f***ed up after 2 hours of usage >.< | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Order 3 or 4 this time. :P | 20:03 |
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| qwerty12 | I really should do... :P. It can be my own present :P | 20:04 |
| lcuk | qwerty12, did i see somewhere its your birthday | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | lcuk: yep :) | 20:04 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes, happy birthday :) | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks lcuk :) | 20:04 |
| lcuk | now why are you faffing on here and not gettin drunk (on lemonade) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | I'm more of a coca cola guy :P | 20:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:06 |
| lcuk | did anyone think to wrap you up a multipack of chargers? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | infact, nokia should find you a fuelcell batterypack | 20:06 |
| lcuk | you can have a reason to but alcohol then :D | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Honestly, I thought this one would be it. I was using it normally and the tablet shutdown while "charging". Now the N800 starts up when I put it in but shuts off in a few seconds. Putting in my brother's charger works >.< | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Lol :D | 20:07 |
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| qwerty12 | I don't know what sort of magic touch I have with Nokia chargers... | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | Probably because I'm more of a Sony Ericsson fan | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | nothing a sharpie cannot solve | 20:11 |
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| crashanddie | We need a special holiday to honour the countless kind souls with unsecured networks named 'linksys'. | 20:28 |
| qwerty12 | And "NETGEAR" =) | 20:29 |
| crashanddie | and Belkin54g | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Though I remember being connected to a kind souls belkin 54g when I was up north in Halifax | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | yep | 20:29 |
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| cyrus__ | anyone know the package that provides the e2fsprogs? | 20:39 |
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| koyote | hrm. time to sell the n800 and get another toy | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK? | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | koyote, why is that? | 20:54 |
| korgoth | huhs | 20:54 |
| korgoth | ok guys anyone help with a reboot loop? | 20:54 |
| crashanddie | reflash? | 20:54 |
| koyote | well, i want to get an 810, in a bit | 20:54 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 20:55 |
| korgoth | crashanddie: cant manage to get into usb mode | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | I'm out | 20:55 |
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| koyote | i like the 800, it's great and all, and I've done the bt keyboard thing | 20:55 |
| koyote | but for my personal needs as they stand now i need an 810 | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | and GeneralAntilles be happy, I'll be the one participating in your pension, old man | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm? | 20:56 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, you said earlier I'd finally contribute to society in a productive way | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | I still don't know why | 20:56 |
| koyote | i guess the question is do i craigslist it or not? | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | I can't shake the idea of you being like, a wise old guy, 50 something | 20:57 |
| moontiger | koyote, how much for? | 20:57 |
| moontiger | who's 50? | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | In my perverted mind only, that is | 20:57 |
| * moontiger gogs | 20:57 | |
| crashanddie | But IRL he's like 22 | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | or 21 | 20:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 21 on Monday | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | Oh | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | nice | 20:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My sage wisdom is just too overwhelming, crashanddie? :P ;) | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | I'll have to recover your cell phone number from the logs and wish you happy birthday then | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, well, that's exactly it | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly I'm having dental surgery on my birthday. :( | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | I'm off to get very very drunk | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | cheers everyone | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | and why the fuck is jott vop? | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | "incentive" | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | according to X-Fade | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not sure what the angle is. | 21:00 |
| koyote | moontiger: on CL, going rate, i figure on here I'd go a bit less. | 21:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping. | 21:02 |
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| koyote | moontiger: are you looking? | 21:03 |
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| eichi_PDA | how to end turn in freeciv | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, have you seen jussi's latest email | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | About the t-shirts? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | yeah :'( we want booth babes instead | 21:24 |
| dneary | hey hey | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 21:24 |
| lcuk | hi dave | 21:24 |
| dneary | I'm a fan of smaller t-shirts in general | 21:24 |
| dneary | I like the tight look | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | My maemo shirt is way too big. | 21:25 |
| dneary | And they're always too big | 21:25 |
| dneary | GeneralAntilles: I got me an L and an M | 21:25 |
| lcuk | wear multiple shirts then | 21:25 |
| dneary | so what does lcuk stand for? | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | XL | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | LiquidCooledUK! | 21:25 |
| lcuk | it was temporary, but my slashdot nick is liquidcoooled | 21:26 |
| lcuk | 3 o's gen :P | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I normally wear M with an undershirt | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? Didn't ever notice that. | 21:26 |
| dneary | Looking into council permissions | 21:26 |
| dneary | But I don't understand how it works | 21:26 |
| eichi_PDA | how to end turn in freeciv | 21:26 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the guy at liquidcooled@hotmail mustv thought the same for years | 21:26 |
| * lcuk is happy with liquid@gmail for now :) | 21:27 | |
| GeneralAntilles | dneary, I think the group is pulled from the Garage project page | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | seems like anybody with admin should be able to edit it, though. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Tim should have admin. | 21:27 |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: were you the only one in the group before? | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I created it. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe X-Fade pulled the list before I added everybody else? | 21:27 |
| * lcuk ponders a final test before pushing to extras | 21:28 | |
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| dneary | GeneralAntilles: Can you check that you can blog? | 21:31 |
| dneary | I'm looking at the permissions, and it looks like Niels is the only writer right now | 21:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Create article seems to work. | 21:34 |
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| dneary | I obviously don't understand how it's set up, so I'll leave it to Niels to fix if there's fixing needed | 21:37 |
| dneary | You're right, that the group is imported direct from Garage | 21:38 |
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| moontiger | koyote sorry for the delay ... im working ... im kinda interested but i have an n810 ... was thinking for a friend but its not important right now | 21:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I really like thp's idea for the search. | 21:41 |
| korgoth | ok isnt there anyone able to help resolve this fucking reboot loop issue?! | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | korgoth, there are a lot of causes for reboot loops. | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have bootmenu installed? | 21:42 |
| korgoth | no i dont | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have sshd and wifi autoconnect enabled? | 21:42 |
| korgoth | nope | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then your options are pretty much limited to getting an initfs image with usbnet and telnet/ssh and flashing it, then getting a console over usb. | 21:43 |
| korgoth | i dont care if i had to reflash it - i just cant manage to to that either | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~flashing | 21:43 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:43 |
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| korgoth | GeneralAntilles: i cant manage to get into reflash mode under windows | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turn it off | 21:46 |
| korgoth | i hold the switch button and turn on the device | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | plug in the usb cable | 21:46 |
| korgoth | then when i see the usb icon i release the switch button and nothing happens | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does the USB icon stay there? | 21:46 |
| korgoth | nope | 21:46 |
| korgoth | it disapears | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have the usb cable plugged directly into the computer? | 21:46 |
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| korgoth | yes | 21:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not plugged into power, right? | 21:47 |
| korgoth | tried both plugged and unplugged | 21:47 |
| korgoth | same result | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leave it unplugged | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try a different USB port? | 21:48 |
| korgoth | tried | 21:48 |
| korgoth | tried a different pc too | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll wait until the battery runs out in flashing mode if you hold down the swap button while powering up | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only time it wont is if USB isn't connected | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might be the cable | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does the computer see the tablet at all? | 21:49 |
| korgoth | yes it does, but then the blue progress bar gets to abour 80% the blue led flashes and then the device reboots, and the computers says "n810 disconneceted" | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Are you sure you're holding down the swap button? | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two overlapping rectangles on left front face | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | topmost of the two buttons there. | 21:51 |
| korgoth | yes | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try this, make sure it's off and unplugged from both USB and power | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | remove the battery for a few seconds | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | replace the battery | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | plug in the USB cable | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | hold down the swap button | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | then turn it on while holding down swap | 21:52 |
| korgoth | when i release the swap button the usb icon just disappears | 21:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did you start the flasher Windows-side? | 21:55 |
| korgoth | yeh | 21:56 |
| korgoth | trying again | 21:56 |
| korgoth | for 1238120312 time :) | 21:56 |
| korgoth | i do have to release the swap button when i see usb icon, right? | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should be able to. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know that you have to. | 21:57 |
| korgoth | iot rebooted so many times that im wopndering how isnt the battery dead yet,.. | 21:58 |
| korgoth | at least 50 reboots | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 21:59 |
| korgoth | ill turn it off | 21:59 |
| korgoth | and charge it for a few hrs | 21:59 |
| korgoth | then will try again :-( | 22:00 |
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| disco_stu | hi | 22:18 |
| disco_stu | new to maemo+ | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | hiya disco_stu | 22:21 |
| disco_stu | is there any chatting about IT's here ? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | plenty | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | this is one of the places we make things happen ;) | 22:22 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'll try to find out why the other members can't blog, later this weekend. (I hope.. busy weekend) | 22:22 |
| disco_stu | good to know | 22:22 |
| disco_stu | i own an n800 | 22:22 |
| disco_stu | a* | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, shouldn't admins have access anyway? | 22:23 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Well, you are webeditor too. | 22:23 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: So that is why you can do that. | 22:24 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The others should get rights based on the group they are in. | 22:24 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Which should work.. :) | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Comments aren't actually working, either. | 22:24 |
| mgedmin | any news about the extras-devel breakage? | 22:25 |
| disco_stu | is there anyone that could send sms with the IT through his symbian phone ? | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I didn't touch it. | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: But Marcell was going to look at it. | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's refreshing fine here, mgedmin. | 22:25 |
| mgedmin | oh, I should've checked my mail | 22:26 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: So maybe he did something ;) | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | the autobuilder needs a 'retry, it wasn't my fault!' button | 22:26 |
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| X-Fade | dneary: Why are you editing the community council folder? :) | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Don't hide, I can see you.. | 22:27 |
| GAN800 | Sabateur! | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | It is locked ;) | 22:28 |
| koyote | moontiger: i'm in and out a bit, but i queried | 22:28 |
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| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Ah, they only had read ;) | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I guess that is not enough :D | 22:30 |
| dneary | X-Fade: I wasn't editing it | 22:30 |
| dneary | Just looking at the user access rights | 22:30 |
| dneary | Which seemed funny | 22:30 |
| dneary | I was trying to fix the problem that no-one other than GA could blog | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it locks it. That is why I saw you were active :) | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Fix" . . . sure, sure. :P | 22:31 |
| dneary | I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I gave some moments ago: | 22:31 |
| dneary | I obviously don't understand how it's set up, so I'll leave it to Niels to fix if there's fixing needed | 22:31 |
| X-Fade | No, when in doubt ask: His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles | 22:32 |
| dneary | m'kay | 22:33 |
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| X-Fade | I just edited the permissions and added create and update. Let's see if that helps ;) | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I'll proceed to incessantly nag the person who actually knows. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | As I'm sure X-Fade can attest. ;) | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | /ignore GeneralAntilles | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | Oh, shit ;) | 22:34 |
| X-Fade | You were not supposed to see that.. | 22:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles fires off a barrage of emails. | 22:34 | |
| X-Fade | Click, click, mail rule, /dev/null.. ah finally weekend ;) | 22:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles starts filing blocker/high bugs. | 22:35 | |
| X-Fade | Pff there is alway Monday.. | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it doesn't want to save these permissions. | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | Weird. | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | General: Are there any blocker bugs at the moment? | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | For maemo.org or Maemo Software? | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, no, there aren't any open blockers. | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | maemo.org seems to be a big blocker by itself nowadays | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_severity=blocker | 22:52 |
| RST38h | aha | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish there were a bugzilla search URL sanitizer | 22:53 |
| RST38h | some really scary bugs there: RTCOM-beta-os2 2.1-15 causes endless reboots cycle | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's not in the shipping firmware | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | People should be aware of the risks of installing testing software. | 22:54 |
| lcuk | yes, they should be aware, but a major clanger like that can ruin someones day and really gives a negative impression | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whatever | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's long since fixed. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | then all is good | 22:56 |
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| Stskeeps | -os2? :P | 23:03 |
| dystopia | os/2 | 23:04 |
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