IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-10-08

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RST38hcrashanddie: Have you applied obligatory torture to the poor thing?00:17
RST38has in persuading him that c++ is actually a subset of html made for embedded devices?00:17
crashanddiewhen did I post it?00:17
crashanddie21:5700:17
crashanddie[22:15] (NthDegree) lazertek: in PHP you have all your strings auto-assigned and don't need char arrays.. all functions work on strings00:17
crashanddieMy base is doing it for me00:18
RST38hdo all php functions work on strings? =)00:18
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Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet2.png <- progress, yay00:20
crashanddieRST38h, no00:21
whodatcan someone explain this red pill thing too me, i dont get it00:22
crashanddiewhodat, you don't need it, forget about it00:22
whodathow do you know i dont need it? ;)00:23
qwerty12_N800because you are asking what it is.00:23
RST38hwhodat: You know you do not need it when you don't know what it is00:23
RST38hIf you know what it is you need it00:23
qwerty12_N800i'm not crashanddie and even i can see that.00:23
RST38hIs it clear enough>00:23
crashanddie"So run back to your mum, your computer and your crack-pipe"00:24
crashanddiesorry, off topic00:24
whodatlol00:24
whodatits step #5 in this tutorial.00:24
crashanddiewhodat, ok, I'll try to be quick and painless00:25
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crashanddiewhodat, red pill mode will effectively enhance the app manager with features no end user should need. If you find a tutorial that says you need red pill mode, they're probably wrong and it's probably outdated.00:26
whodatfor installing the beta of voip internet connectionn00:26
crashanddiewhodat, it will enhance the app manager so much, that it will effectively BREAK your installation00:26
crashanddieand in 99% of cases, force you to reflash00:26
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qwerty12_N800btw, anyone know Nokia Chat is about?00:27
qwerty12_N800what^00:27
crashanddiewhodat, It is always said clearly "only activate red pill if you know what you are doing", which obviously you don't, hell, even I don't. It's funny, I love it for the matrix reference, but please, unless you want an excuse to reflash, don't use it00:27
whodatcras: it just shows more options(buttons) in the app manager?00:27
crashanddiewhodat, no, it is going to remove filters about which packages to install, it will show all the packages (even libraries, and shit no one cares about), and remove most of the compatibility checks or sumthin00:28
whodatoh, so it adds more repositories.00:28
crashanddieno00:28
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crashanddiedon't try to outsmart this one, it won't work00:29
crashanddiewhodat, the repositories contain a whole lot of libraries, specifically, packages which are listed as belonging to something else than user/* categories00:29
crashanddiethese, by default, or not shown by the package manager (and when trying to install such a .deb, it will yell that the package is incompatible)00:30
whodatyeah i know what repositories are, i am only new to maemo, not linux00:30
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crashanddieobviously, you're not that much of a guru00:30
crashanddieno offence00:30
whodathow do you figure? ;)00:31
mikkov_use apt&dpkg instead of red pill00:31
crashanddieindeed00:31
whodatmikk: yes, thats what i did.00:31
crashanddiewhodat, most operations can be carried out with root access, using apt-get (which is the best approach), or using dpkg (though apt will start getting fuzzy after a while)00:32
crashanddieqwerty12_N800, you still owe me a beer00:32
crashanddiewait, no, I haven't met you yet, have I,00:33
crashanddie?00:33
whodatcras: i know that too, just learning the maemos UI.00:33
lcukyou will be waiting a while, the shop wont serve him00:33
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crashanddiesure they will00:33
RST38hhttp://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm00:33
crashanddieqwerty12 wouldn't be the first under age youth I'd help get to a beer :P00:33
qwerty12_N800crashanddie, nope :)00:33
qwerty12_N800lol00:33
RST38hWonderful, exactly what we need, yes00:33
crashanddieFUCK, why did I just say that on a publicly logged channel00:33
qwerty12_N800/whois crashanddie00:34
dick-richardsonlol!00:34
crashanddieoh well, neighbour's network anyway :P00:34
crashanddieI think I'm just going to stfu now00:34
mikkov_now they know that too00:34
crashanddiebefore I confess to murder00:34
whodatcrash: so where does /var/log/messages i am used to live on maemos00:34
qwerty12_N800good enough to pinpoint yoour location :p00:34
crashanddiewhodat, doesn't exist00:35
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mikkov_whodat: nowhere00:35
Mouseywhodat, apt-get install sysklogd00:35
whodatso all I have is dmesg?00:35
crashanddieor install sysklogd00:35
crashanddie'-_-00:35
Mouseyuntil you install syslog, yah00:35
Mouseywhile true ; do tail dmest ; sleep 2 ; clear ; done00:36
whodatmousey: i read a tutorial on getting ssysklogd working, it seemed to be more involved than just installing the package00:36
Mouseys/dmest/dmesg/00:36
infobotMousey meant: while true ; do tail dmesg ; sleep 2 ; clear ; done00:36
mikkov_logging on battery powered embedded device isn't that wise00:36
RST38hdepends on how many entries you are making per minute00:36
mikkov_you never know when you start logging ;)00:37
RST38hflight recorders are embedded and battery powered too00:37
mikkov_but they are made for logging ;)00:37
crashanddieRST38h, but the battery is a few tonnes of kerosene00:37
RST38hcrashanddie: no, it has got its own batteries, same as an airbag in your car00:37
qwerty12_N800whodat, yer, you have to add sdk repo which can be in the list of what not to  do with application manager. instead grab the debs  and install with dpkg00:38
* qwerty12_N800 can't figure why i say yer. i blame lcuk :p00:38
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whodatqwerty: i am trying to get some logging out of the voip client. all it says in the UI is 'cant connect'00:39
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crashanddiewhodat, what voip client?00:40
Mouseywell there's always the while loop00:40
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whodatcras: the one that comes with OS200800:42
crashanddiewhodat, would you mind typing my full nickname?00:42
whodatlol but its so long ;)00:43
crashanddiewhodat, cra[TAB]00:43
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whodatcrashanddie: with tab i have to backspace because it adds an extra space. but I will do it just for you <g>00:45
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whodathmm is there a 3rd party voip client for maemos00:48
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* Stskeeps swears at him not being able to make the locales work in hildon on other OS'es01:18
gregoroviusetrunko: I just posted on the canola beta 10 thread; I installed it from extras-devel, but it refuses to start up01:19
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Stskeeps\o/01:21
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etrunkogregorovius: can you please try the cleanup script ant then install it again?01:23
gregoroviusetrunko: I don't see it for installation anywhere, should it be in extras? extras-devel?01:23
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etrunkogregorovius: under tools extras-devel01:24
etrunkogregorovius: found it?01:26
etrunkoif you haven't installed it yet, please run it like canola -vv01:26
gregoroviusetrunko: found it, i'm trying to figure out how to use it :)01:27
gregoroviusUsage: canola-cleanup <executable>01:27
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Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet3.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet4.png01:28
* Stskeeps goes to bed01:28
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etrunkogregorovius: there is an icon in the menu01:29
etrunkounder extras01:29
etrunkoStskeeps: nm? r000000cks!01:30
etrunkooh my01:30
etrunkoa dream come true!01:30
gregoroviusetrunko: it's not showing up for me :S01:30
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etrunkogregorovius: weird01:31
etrunkoso01:31
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etrunkogregorovius: canola-cleanup /usr/share/canola-celanup/cleanup.sh01:31
Stskeepsetrunko: deblet + hildon + networkmanager + some cx3110x fixes01:31
etrunkoStskeeps: does it work on the device?01:32
Stskeepsetrunko: i'm sitting with it in my lap :P01:32
Stskeepsso yeah01:33
etrunkonow that's cool01:33
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Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet5.png as well01:36
gregoroviusetrunko: it started up fine after canola-cleanup, thanks01:37
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gregoroviusI can only select ~, mmc1 or mmc2 as watch folders, not subfolders of those... is that on purpose?01:39
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etrunkogregorovius: the subfolders are available only if you have not checked the parent folder01:40
gregoroviusetrunko: I haven't checked the parent folder, and clicking on 'internal card' or any other doesn't show me the subfolders01:41
etrunkojust click on the list item01:41
etrunkohmm01:41
etrunkois there a grey icon on the left? that indicates there are subfolders there01:42
gregoroviusnope01:42
gregoroviusgah, nevermind01:43
gregoroviusfile manager isn't seeing the mmc card either, it's not canola-related01:43
etrunkoin this case there are no subfolders there01:44
etrunko:)01:44
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gregoroviusetrunko: is ogg vorbis supposed to work out of the box now?01:51
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etrunkogregorovius: you only need ogg-support-lightmediascanner installed01:56
etrunkowhich is available from kulve's repo01:56
gregoroviusoh, that's had a missing dependency since diablo! it works now, thanks01:58
etrunkogregorovius: yup02:01
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Robot101X-Fade: pong02:26
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: it was the cable02:34
GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, weird.02:34
GeneralAntillesI have a couple of those myself and I'm at a total loss to explain what's different about them.02:34
GeneralAntillesYou get it working?02:34
EruditeHermithmm02:34
EruditeHermitI haven't flashed yet02:34
EruditeHermitbut it is loading stuff from flasher02:34
EruditeHermitI loaded a backup kernel onto it02:34
EruditeHermitbut it still reboot looped02:35
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EruditeHermithow do I disable lifeguard reset02:35
EruditeHermitor whatever is causing the reboot loop02:35
EruditeHermitI want to try everything to recover this before reflashing02:35
EruditeHermitif possible02:35
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset02:35
EruditeHermitI do have a backup if I need to reflash, but a reflash takes a while to get back02:36
EruditeHermitis it possible to boot it with the flash image from my computer and repair it?02:36
GeneralAntillesNo02:37
GeneralAntillesSee what lifeguard does02:37
GeneralAntillesIt'll either boot to a white screen or boot to a desktop02:37
GeneralAntillesIf wifi is set to automatically connect and you have ssh installed you can get in that way.02:37
EruditeHermityep02:38
EruditeHermitI have both setup02:38
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EruditeHermithmm02:41
EruditeHermitwhat is the default user for the tablets?02:41
EruditeHermituser?02:41
GeneralAntillesYes02:41
GeneralAntillesBut it has no password02:41
EruditeHermitok02:42
EruditeHermitI am logged in02:42
EruditeHermitdoing a dpkg --configure -a02:44
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EruditeHermitosso-software-version-rx34 depends on pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (= 5.4);02:46
EruditeHermitVersion of pre-installed-documentation-rx34 on system is 5.302:46
EruditeHermitdependency problems02:46
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EruditeHermitdpkg: error processing mce (--configure):02:51
EruditeHermit subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102:51
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: any ideas?02:52
GeneralAntillesWhat's /home/user/MyDocs/.documents look like?02:52
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EruditeHermithttp://rafb.net/p/20EotQ43.html02:53
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: does that tell you anything?03:00
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EruditeHermithm03:13
EruditeHermitI think I have managed to recover it03:14
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: is there a way to get rid of the pdfs without removing osso-software-version?03:21
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GAN800Just delete them out of their folder.03:22
GAN800Alternatively, just remove the package and osv and not worry about it until the next update.03:22
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EruditeHermitis screen rotate supported with the latest Diablo update?03:30
GAN800outpo.st/rotate03:31
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EruditeHermitGAN800: is that better than http://sse2.net/rotate/03:34
GAN800Up to date, yes.03:34
GAN800They're bith by the same person.03:34
EruditeHermithe should take down the old one03:35
EruditeHermitor atleast link to it from the new one and say old version03:35
GAN800Well, the new one is still in testing.03:36
GAN800The packaging isn't quite there yet.03:36
EruditeHermitGAN800: the 1 click install doesn't work03:37
EruditeHermitI don't mind doing it manually03:37
EruditeHermitwhat is the 48MHz patch, and do I want it?03:37
GAN800Right, we need to figure out why Application manager is being uncooperative.03:37
* lcuk says no03:37
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GAN800lcuk, buy a less shitty sd card.03:38
GAN800Speeds up the SD slots03:38
GAN800May have incompatibility with some cards.03:38
lcukthis shitty sd card is core host for liqbase :) its not shitty03:38
EruditeHermitlol03:39
EruditeHermitis it reversible?03:39
GAN800Just flash another kernel.03:39
EruditeHermitby clicking on the other package?03:39
GAN800lcuk, well, it doesn't work with 48MHz soooooo03:39
lcukyes, jott installed it on my machien and blocked out the card - he then removed the 44khz patch somehow *hand waving* ;)03:39
lcuk48^03:39
GAN800MHz03:40
lcuki dont care, it works for me, i still prefer default kernels03:40
lcukthen i dont get used to features which arent there and that go missing after upgrade03:40
* GAN800 shrugs03:40
EruditeHermitunable to install xserver-xomap, incompatible application package03:41
GAN800apt-get -f install03:41
lcukGAN800, :) hopefully soon that will be cured by the community distro though03:42
EruditeHermitnothing is broken03:42
EruditeHermitGAN800: does it require apt-get to install? I was using app man03:42
GAN800Yes, that's why the packaging still needs work.03:42
EruditeHermitok03:43
EruditeHermitGAN800: does the kernel package automatically flash the kernel?03:44
EruditeHermitor do I have to manually flash with fiasco03:44
GAN800It flashes itself03:44
GAN800The goal is to make it as easy as possible. ;)03:44
EruditeHermitok03:44
EruditeHermitso I just need those 2 things?03:45
EruditeHermitif it was click and install it would be cool yes03:45
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EruditeHermithmm03:52
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EruditeHermitmy tablet thinks it is charging03:52
EruditeHermiteven when it is not connected to the charger03:52
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dystopiaEruditeHermit: did you feed your tablet alcoholic beverage?04:02
EruditeHermitlol04:02
EruditeHermitno04:02
dystopiawell, maybe show it who's in charge ;-)04:02
yacoobThis is interesting.04:06
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yacoobTablet seemed to be dead. Plugged the charger, still dead. Popped the battery, replaced - ok, it's charging.04:07
yacoobClosed the battery cover - boom, dead.04:07
yacoobSomething seems to be happening when I close the cover, it dies instantly.04:07
yacoobanyone meet this failure mode before?04:10
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yacoob...yes, I also find this silence very disturbing.04:12
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derfSounds like a short of some kind. Hope it's still under warranty.04:14
yacoobebay 8)04:16
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yacoobbut yeah, we'll see what will local nokia support say04:16
lcukyacoob, check around the case and where the cover sits and check for any obvious signs of error04:17
lcukis it an 81004:17
derfOne of my friends sold his old T20 on e-Bay, listing it as broken (with a similar kind of short), and some Russian still bought it for $300. He was like, "You know this is broken, right?" and the guy writes back, "Da. Will fix."04:17
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yacoobyeah, n81004:18
lcukthe metal pins are easily bent out of position and can end up on the wrong side of the structure, try to find online picture of the inside of your battery case and confirm its correct04:19
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lcukthe case is very flimsy and easy to warp04:20
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yacoobgot it working, but I'm *really* suspicious right now.04:22
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dystopiaderf: :D04:24
yacoobtried removing battery and assembling it back with full on-off cycle twice now, still works. I guess it will start spewing yellow frogs at me in the morning04:25
yacoob(and, if I test the cover few more times, I'll break something, that's for sure... :)04:25
dystopiaderf: a T20 isn't that a bit much for 300$04:26
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derfdystopia: It was a number of years ago.04:26
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dystopiaactually on ebay you can buy some broken apples, merge them, sell the spare parts, sell the fixed one, and you made a few hunderd bucks04:29
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yacoobaha, just killed it.04:30
dystopiaeven some nice RISCs04:30
dystopiaG504:31
dystopiaIn nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti.04:31
dystopiaOne moment silence, please, our of respect for a dead N810...04:32
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yacoobok, definitely a short04:40
yacoobhappens when I move the cover down (it's a bit loose)04:41
yacoobI was hoping that's the battery being loose, but looks like it's not the case04:41
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dystopiaso its still alive04:47
dystopiawhen smoke signals start? :0)04:48
yacoobthankfully the magic smoke is still in04:49
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dystopia:-)04:49
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dystopiawhat if you put isolation on the place of the covr, or push the battery?04:50
dystopiaor put isolation and then the cover04:51
yacoobI'm looking at it right now, but tbh I don't see any places where it might actually shortcircuit04:51
yacoobor rather - I believe it's in the middle part of the bottom, near the latching mechanism04:52
dystopiahm what if you put the cover on, but that part not?:>04:53
yacoobexpn :)04:53
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dystopiann04:58
dystopia(good luck, yacoob)04:59
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timelessanyone seen andre recently?05:02
GeneralAntillestimeless, this morning.05:03
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: when I set lifeguard reset on, I still have a reboot loop05:03
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: I resolved all dependencies through ssh05:03
GeneralAntillesHrm05:04
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GeneralAntillesWas it booting to a desktop or booting to a white screen?05:04
EruditeHermitand the tablet works for a while when I disable lifeguard reset but it randomly resets itself05:04
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: it booted to the nokia white screen05:05
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: it now boots fine when I disable lifeguard reset05:05
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: just that it randomly resets05:05
EruditeHermitafter varying times05:05
GeneralAntillesOne of the important processes lifeguard is monitoring isn't starting properly.05:05
EruditeHermit4mins 10mins05:05
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: how do I find out which one?05:06
GeneralAntillesMaybe installing syslogd05:08
GeneralAntillesDid you try an apt-get -f install?05:08
EruditeHermityes05:08
EruditeHermitapt-get -f install is all resolved05:08
EruditeHermitthere is no syslogd package05:10
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yacoobhm, might have fixed it.05:22
yacoobthere are three 'hooks'on the cover - the middle one contacts in two places, near the lock and slightly above. This other place is recessed, so there's a small latch that should contact it05:24
yacoobI've bent it slightly, to make sure it does contact.05:25
yacoobboots up, survives closing the cover, keyboard slides, whatnot05:25
yacoob(or so it seems)05:25
yacoobif that's really that small contact, it'd be trivally patchable05:25
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yacoobmy question is, what does it tries to detect (closing the cover? for what?) and why it was dying when this contact was latching later than the rest05:26
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yacoob(from the looks of it, tablet was dying when I pressed the cover down in the area of that small latch, so my guess is that it wasn't contacting in first place, and I made it connect while sliding the keyboard or adjusting the cover)05:28
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GeneralAntillesDid the server changeover happen?05:33
GeneralAntillesI'm getting 503 on some pages and blistering fast on others.05:33
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EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: which package or system is related to power management/battery charging05:49
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GAN800bme/mce/dsme05:59
andre____timeless, andre is around, but will go to sleep very soon06:03
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andre____EruditeHermit, dsme/mce06:06
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EruditeHermithmm06:07
EruditeHermitthanks andre__, GAN80006:07
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EruditeHermitok06:18
EruditeHermitI think reinstalling all those packages stopped the constant resetting with lifeguard on06:18
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mgedminwaah, the screen of my n810 died :(08:10
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bef0rd:(08:16
bef0rdwhat happened?08:16
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EruditeHermitbef0rd: btw my tablet is working again, the problem was the cable08:18
EruditeHermitbef0rd: thanks for your help the other day08:19
bef0rdcool, no problem EruditeHermit08:19
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mgedminthe lcd appears to be cracked, under the topmost plastic layer (which is fine)08:20
mgedminno idea how it happened, it was in my shirt pocket at the time08:20
mgedminwithout the protective leather case08:21
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EruditeHermitmgedmin: can you get a replacement from nokia?08:22
mgedmindon't know08:22
EruditeHermitmgedmin: call their customer support08:22
mgedminI'm assuming the worst, of course08:22
* mgedmin *hates* phone calls08:23
EruditeHermitthey have an online form somewhere too08:23
mgedminI'm currently in the US, but I'm going home to Lithuania in ~10 days08:23
mgedminthe device was originally bought in the US08:24
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EruditeHermitmgedmin: do you have relatives or someone you know in the US?08:27
mgedminsomeone I know, yes08:27
EruditeHermitmgedmin: I would just have it sent to them and have them mail a repair/replacement part to you08:27
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* mgedmin orders a new tablet from amazon, just in case08:36
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fluentismoin @all08:38
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thuxStskeeps: what you think is best nit-env for deblet? basic-gnome keyboard unlock keyring window problems09:31
johnxlxde is nice09:32
StsN800thux, im not sure yet09:32
StsN800johnx, saw my hildlet post?09:32
* johnx looks09:32
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StsN800under hack challenges09:33
thopiekarhi09:34
StsN800thux, i think adding yourself to sudoers might help for n800 users09:35
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qwerty12StsN800, There's a gconf option where gksu attempts not to be anal retentive by taking over the entire screen09:36
StsN800or that09:36
thuxok i try09:38
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moontigerwhats up with maemo.org09:40
moontiger??09:40
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StsN800hamster in wheel died09:42
qwerty12I suspect StsN800 murdered it. With a bus.09:42
moontigerahhhhh the n770 getting a flash update is it?09:43
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solmumahawell at least the error message comes up fast09:45
moontigeroh well bedtime for me then :)09:50
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GAN800Uknown at the moment.09:52
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RST38hgood mourning, gentlemen10:23
RST38hanything new and exciting?10:23
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notcoolbuthot.10:51
Stskeeps..10:52
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JaffaMorning, all10:54
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RST38hMourning, jaffa10:57
* Stskeeps looks at the pocket loox 720 pda looking lonely at his office and ponders how hildon would work on it10:58
RST38hwould work less - it is XScale based afaik10:59
Stskeepsmm, that good or bad? i guess it would work cos it's arm still?11:00
RST38hyep11:01
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Stskeepswb johnx11:01
RST38hBut the CPU isn't as good as OMAP in terms of power efficiency and (as johnx will probably confirm) performance11:01
johnxthanks. my computer's been crashy lately11:01
Stskeeps*nod*11:01
johnxRST38h, which one?11:01
Stskeepsjohnx: got a pocket loox 720 with xscale 400mhz or something laying about in my office doing nothing11:01
Stskeeps:P11:01
RST38hjohnx: Pocket Boobs 72011:01
johnxyeah, the armv5 -> armv6 must have been a huge change11:02
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badduany DSP guys around?11:06
JaffaMorning, all11:06
JaffaOh, I did that.11:06
* Stskeeps passes Jaffa the coffee11:07
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* thopiekar loves Pulseaudio^^11:09
Stskeepsmmcmobile cards are only way to get 2gb storage on 770s?11:11
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RST38hYour normal non-HC SD card will hold up to 2GB11:18
Stskeepsmm11:19
* Stskeeps is trying to find the right memory card for a friend with a 770 so11:19
RST38havoid mmcs, try finding a 2GB SD11:19
Stskeepsthe 770 actually takes SD or?11:19
Stskeeps(with optional flash of kernel)11:20
johnxStskeeps, there's a way to wedge them in but it requires modification of the card or the 77011:20
Stskeepsah11:20
Stskeepsi'd like to avoid that :P11:20
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johnxthere should be rs-mmc cards as big as 2GB11:24
Stskeepsyeah, though they're difficult to find11:24
RST38hOh, 770 takes *RS-MMC*11:24
RST38hSad.11:24
johnxI searched for 2GB rs-mmc and found quite a few11:25
johnxthe prices are lame though11:25
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lishevitagood morning11:27
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hrwmorning11:28
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xorAxAxhmm, does the n810 need arm6 or arm711:59
xorAxAx(scratchbox toolchain)12:00
johnxarmv612:00
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xorAxAxthanks12:01
johnxbut note that armv7 and arm7 are actually different things12:02
xorAxAxah12:02
xorAxAxwhat is arm7?12:02
xorAxAxwhich one of them do i need? :-P12:03
johnxan older ARM12:03
johnxwhat exactly is it asking?12:03
xorAxAxwell12:03
xorAxAxi can choose to install scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm712:03
xorAxAx(debian package)12:03
GeneralAntillesarm612:03
xorAxAxok12:03
GeneralAntillesIt should actually read "armv6"12:03
GeneralAntillesarm7 would be for OMAP312:04
Stskeepsjohnx: did you ever have luck making a debian armel scratchbox (contrary to a maemo scratchbox)12:04
johnxI figured that was the case, but I didn't want to lead him astray12:04
johnxStskeeps, never. I gave up essentially.12:04
GeneralAntillesjohnx, yes, I know _you_ know. ;)12:04
RST38harmv* and arm* are two different things12:04
RST38harmv* is an architecture, arm* is a basic part name12:05
Stskeepsjohnx: yeah, i have a armel qemu myself building stuff :P12:05
johnxStskeeps, I should try sb2 again, actually12:05
mikkov_Downloads have gone up for almost all applications. Failed SSUs at play ;)12:05
johnxbut yeah, I'm also working on getting qemu working on "my" build box (really my friend's spare server)12:05
Stskeepsjohnx: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ works every time for me.. and when apt-get dist-upgrade, copy out /boot/initrd* and vmlinuz and use those too12:06
johnxStskeeps, yeah, that's what I'm using...but my friend's box is gentoo and I'm having trouble building gcc3 so I can build qemu, so I can give it a try on his machine12:07
Stskeepsah12:07
* johnx stabs gentoo12:07
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Stskeepsjohnx: i was kinda shocked how neat mb-keyboard integrated into hildon when running.. has to be able to make some funny tricks based on that12:08
Stskeepsmade normal x apps a lot more usable12:08
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RST38hmoo, zap12:08
RST38hjohnx: install ubuntu12:08
X-Fademikkov_: Well, it is just the weekly stats update ;)12:08
johnxStskeeps, well hildon is just matchbox+status bar12:08
Stskeeps*nod*12:08
Stskeepswhat's the real DPI of the screen anyhow?12:09
johnxRST38h, that could be somewhat problematic on technical and social levels...12:09
Stskeepssince the font sizes are .. insane12:09
johnx225 dpi12:09
Stskeepsk12:09
RST38hjohnx: you mean, Japanese *care*?12:09
johnxRST38h, the build box is in Canada. that's the technical issue12:09
mikkov_X-Fade: but look at the graphs12:09
* RST38h knows he doesn't, as long as damn OS does not require constant tinkering12:09
RST38hjohnx: oh12:10
mikkov_download count per week has gone slightly up12:10
RST38hdownload counts are bogus12:10
RST38hdepend on when somebody at the mothership manually imports repo download data12:10
X-FadeRST38h: These ones aren't. I get the actual stats from the caching network.12:11
RST38hX-Fade; Ah! You mean this now works for everybody at Garage? =)12:11
johnxStskeeps, if you give the real dpi to Xomap things start making more sense12:11
X-FadeRST38h: No, you should have your stuff in Extras ;)12:11
* RST38h does12:11
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can you fix this: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ ?12:11
RST38hso theoretically it should work12:12
X-FadeRST38h: Well, then your stats should be available :)12:12
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: What needs fixing?12:12
RST38himages do not show up12:13
RST38hneither of two logos12:13
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 add the SVG and a reasonably sized PNG there.12:13
X-FadeHmm I see them.12:13
Stskeepsjohnx: apt-get install locales, install en_GB UTF-8 is the trick to get proper titles on things btw12:13
GeneralAntillesWe should also add the favicon and some other variants, but those need to be gathered.12:13
RST38hWeird: they show up in FireFox but not IE12:14
johnxStskeeps, sounds familiar. good to know12:14
RST38hI may have proxies misconfigured...12:14
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X-FadeRST38h: It doesn't work for me in IE too.12:14
X-FadeVery weird.12:15
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RST38hBTW, in spite of hardware upgrade, maemo.org is still dead slow whenever a db operation is involved12:15
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: It links to https.12:15
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Don't do that ;)12:16
RST38hHas anyone considered looking at incoming SQL quesrioes and how db executes them instead of simply adding more power?12:16
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, I didn't do anything.12:16
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Who did that page?12:16
Stskeepsjohnx: know of other open source themes btw? i'm kinda wondering what licenses/deriatives/dependancies some of the tablet themes people do have12:16
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GeneralAntillesThat's all Peter's fault. I'm just playing fire fighter (as usual :P). ;)12:16
johnxStskeeps, I'm not sure anyone knows O_o12:16
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: You are admin. Fix it :D12:17
Stskeepsjohnx: LCARS should be first priority.. ;>12:17
GeneralAntillesIf Bugzilla would just accept this damn png. . . .12:17
X-FadeRST38h: Mysql with 250 connections. You know what happens ;)12:18
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, put the last two attachments from http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 wherever images should go on the server.12:18
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RST38hXFade: Urgh12:18
X-FadeRST38h: A reasonable amount of cpus is needed for that.12:18
X-FadeRST38h: And at the moment, it isn't reasonable.12:18
RST38hStill, I would at least look at the queries and how MySQL executes them12:19
RST38hBecause otherwise, you may be fighting an uphill battle12:19
* GeneralAntilles sighs.12:20
X-FadeRST38h: Yes, true. But they don't seem to be that complex.12:20
* GeneralAntilles wishes dneary had gathered all this up around the time of the end of the logo contest. :P12:20
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RST38hXFade: They don't have to be, that is the "beauty" of RDBMS12:20
X-FadeRST38h: Well, I wouldn't call mysql that advanced ;)12:21
RST38hXFade: A simple join, when executed without proper caution, will bring your RDBMS down12:21
dnearyGeneralAntilles: ?12:21
RST38hMySQL is relatively good nowadays, but do not trust it to optimize stuff for you beyond simple query rewrites12:21
dnearygathered all what?12:21
GeneralAntillesdneary, hunting down logo stuff for http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/12:22
GeneralAntillesDo we have an svg of the favicon?12:22
dnearyGeneralAntilles: I have a bunch of stuff on trademark policies12:22
RST38hSo, I would log all the queries + information on how MySQL executes it (something similar to EXPLAIN operator in Postgress)12:22
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dnearyBut I had understood it was a Nokia thing12:22
dnearyI'm involved in that discussion12:22
RST38h+ timing data of course, to see just what exactly is worth optimizing12:23
X-FadeRST38h: Sure, but I'd like to see some modern power first. I can do micro optimizations, but the base should be ok.12:24
RST38hXFade: Oh, I would not raise it if it were a micro optimization12:24
RST38hXFade: What I am talking about is stuff like join of unindexed values - no amount of extra hardware will help you fix these12:24
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GeneralAntillesdneary, I just want the various logo files, not any policy stuff.12:25
X-FadeRST38h: Sure, but that is pretty much covered already. This is being used in quite a few production environments.12:25
RST38hmm...ok12:25
dnearyah12:25
dnearyI got all that stuff piecemeal12:25
X-FadeRST38h: Same stuff: http://www.tkk.fi/en/index.html12:26
RST38hThe way it (Midgard) works makes it kinda hard to believe that this thing is used in production, but if you say so...12:26
X-FadeRST38h: And they are fast.12:26
dnearyand with some of the revisions I'm still not sure if I have the proper versions (there was the small R version, the big R version, etc)12:26
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can I just attach images through the Asgard interface for that page?12:26
RST38hXFade: TKK does not appear to have that much of dynamic data12:26
X-FadeRST38h: Try a static page on maemo.org ;)12:27
RST38hMost of its pages can be stored statically12:27
RST38hXFade: Yes, but maemo.org has got a shitload of dynamic stuff now =)12:27
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RST38hStatic stuff at maemo.org is of no concern12:27
X-FadeRST38h: Sure, but it has object caches for that.12:27
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crashanddieanyone had hands on with the Nokia 5800 ?12:27
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RST38hXFade: I kinda doubt they work on maemo.org for typical usage cases (i.e. browsing dynamically created pages why logged in)12:28
Robot101X-Fade: you pinged me yesterday?12:28
RST38hcrash: Still no demo samples at local Nokia stor12:28
RST38hs/why/when/12:28
X-FadeRobot101: Yes, I wanted to know who was running the Collabora repository ;)12:29
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* RST38h would also like to know that12:29
RST38hTo figure out what the status of Collabora Pidgin packages is12:29
Robot101one of jonnylamb, wjt or smcv on #telepathy12:30
X-FadeRobot101: And wanted to ask if those packages could be moved to Extras.12:30
Robot101I think one of the Nokians was already doing that12:30
crashanddiethe interface seems a bit sluggish12:31
X-FadeRobot101: And after that, if the repository could be closed ofcourse.12:31
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* deadlyllama wonders if anyone here knows how the big black "Charging" screen on the 770 works12:34
deadlyllamaand more importantly, how to turn it off (want my 770 to boot normally when I apply power to the charging port)12:35
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johnxif it's the same as the n8x0 it starts an x server and displays that animation12:37
johnxI don't know what's reponsible for choosing what it does at boot though12:38
deadlyllamainitfs/linuxrc decides if it will display the splash screen based on /proc/bootreason (which can have the value "charger") plus if it was booted in "ACTDEAD" mode12:39
deadlyllamabut then the X session comes up and the charging screen appears and I can't work out how to make networking come up then so it's a bit difficult to ssh in and poke around and see what's happening :-(12:39
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deadlyllamaand I see no obviously named binaries that look obviously like a "display charging screen" app12:41
deadlyllamaif there was some way to hack something to change /proc/bootreason that would probably also do the trick...12:47
RST38hcrash: 5800 interface?12:47
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xorAxAxwhen i am using the debian etch devkit, apt-get update doesnt find the package lists ... should i choose lenny?12:48
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GeneralAntillesCan anybody make sense of the sidebar on this page? http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/12:49
GeneralAntillesI'm entirely at a lot.12:50
GeneralAntilless/lot/loss/12:50
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: I'm entirely at a loss.12:50
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RST38hGAN: What is the problem?12:50
RST38hIt is a tree, the active item is at the second level12:51
RST38hThe whole path in the tree is highlighted12:51
xorAxAxhmm, and when selecting lenny, any package installation will upgrade your libc12:51
GeneralAntillesRST38h, try clicking the "active" item.12:51
RST38hxor: because just about any package compiled from C code will depend on a particular libc12:51
xorAxAxRST38h: yes12:52
xorAxAxsure12:52
RST38hGAN: hehe12:52
xorAxAxbut i wonder what the sanest choice of a devkit is12:52
RST38hGAN: You know what it may be? There may be an extra menu item Logos which does not show up for some reason. Lemme check the source code12:53
GeneralAntillesRST38h, the hierarchy in the administrative interface makes sense.12:54
GeneralAntillesBut I don't have a clue how to use Asgard.12:54
RST38hThe HTML code looks pretty sane, so it has to be a problem in the Midgard12:54
GeneralAntilles"<p>\n</p>" classy12:55
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xorAxAxRST38h: i just need python2.5 in my arm6 scracthbox12:56
RST38hxor: You do not need scratchbox for python12:56
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RST38hxor: Just write python stuff wherever you want, scp it to the tablet, and run it there.12:59
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xorAxAxRST38h: yeah, probably. how do i get a working sources.list? the debian/maemo3 devkits give me a sources.list that is 40413:01
xorAxAx(its using armel/sarge which doesnt seem to work)13:01
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RST38hI do not know but what you are saying indicates that your SDK installation is messedup13:04
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GeneralAntillestimeless, ping.13:12
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RST38hmoo, johnx14:47
lcuk:D i saw cows playin king of the hill last night14:48
johnxm00f14:48
johnx~lart johnx's video card14:48
* infobot offers johnx's video card some herring14:48
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lcukjohnx, whats up with your vid card14:49
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johnxit's been overheating14:49
johnxand crashing my computer14:49
johnxjust like a second ago14:49
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lcukoooer, have you checked it for dust bunnies n stuff14:50
lcukor just winging it14:50
johnxas long as I don't do anything graphically intensive it's fine14:50
johnxbut yeah, the problem is it's one of those fanless ones14:50
johnxworked fine for a year but now it's screwing up14:51
johnxback in a sec14:51
RST38hlcuk: were there bovine casualties?14:51
RST38hjohnx: It seems to be a reason enough to ask for a new one14:51
RST38hor buy a new one if it is in home computer14:52
johnxyeah, I'd have to buy a new one. it's out of warranty (and out of the country I bought it in anyways...)14:53
johnxor I could buy a new, cheap fan to blow on it and try and get another 6 months of use out of it14:53
* Stskeeps should really learn how to solder..14:53
lcukRST38h, there werent any casualties that i saw - but there was a small grassy knoll about 15foot high and about 6 cows jossling up to get onto the top - people all around were laughin :D we missed the traffic lights changing cos of it :$14:54
* RST38h wonders what they found there. Was that some holy ground? Or an altar of some bovine god?14:58
RST38hOr maybe just a patch of magic grass they use to get high?>14:58
lcuki dunno, but its the same with anything, once one starts the rest dont wanna miss out14:58
RST38hjust like stock brokers, ain't they?14:59
lcukyer, except most stock brokers dont have udders14:59
RST38htoo bad for them, last opportunity for employment is slipping away =)15:00
crashanddiethey will have udders in a few days15:00
crashanddiebeing milked as much as they are now15:00
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mrgreaperhi i need a bit of help with deblet and found this irc channel on there forum can anyone lend a hand please?16:44
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: indeed, what's up?16:44
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mrgreaperah cool, well i got it installed all perfectly fine (for a linux newb like me thats no mean feat lol) but i cant see how to teather it to my mobile16:45
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: ah, that's a bit of a complicated issue :P usually it is a bit easier on linux but there's one of the programs people usually use that doesn't work for some reason.16:46
mrgreaperat home the wifi works fine but for work i need to teather it via bluetooth to use my mobile phone16:46
Stskeepshave you managed to make it pair yet or?16:46
mrgreaperi have no idea how lol16:47
mrgreaperthe old n800 os did it all automaticly16:47
Stskeepsyeah, - we're still a work in progress :)16:47
mrgreaperso no bluetooth mobile support?16:48
Stskeepswell, i discovered this but it's not really newbie friendly, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221269&postcount=1616:48
Stskeepsbut you can install this package.. sec16:48
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smyowsi have pidgin for msn, but is very slowly... have another msn (more faster) for os2008?16:50
aquatixhttp://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/16:50
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: apt-get install bluez-gnome16:50
aquatixintegrates into the default IM thing16:50
mrgreaperi cant seem to find the software instalation browser16:51
aquatixsmyows: hm, i installed it slightly differently than on that page though16:51
Stskeepsmrgreaper: but, just to put things in perspective, we've been working on this since june :16:51
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: so nothing is polished.. and we're hoping to make things a little more shiny and easier to work with16:51
thuxtried keblet and choosed kdm didn't do autologin, and no keyboard on login window...16:52
Stskeepsthux: apt-get install tablet-kdm-autologin16:52
thuxah16:52
mrgreaperah dont get me wrong i like the look of it (though bluetooth teathering on a mobile tablet should be an essentiallol)16:52
Stskeepsmrgreaper: open a x terminal and su with your root password, and apt-get insatll bluez-gnome16:52
Stskeeps install, that is16:52
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mrgreaperok one sec16:53
johnxmrgreaper, many of the people working on and using deblet tend to just use the command line...16:53
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: and yeah, that's one reason why i don't use deblet constantly myself yet :P16:53
Stskeepsthux, mrgreaper: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371&page=6 <- (look at screenshots), anything you might be interested in?16:55
mrgreaperlooks more familier :)16:56
mrgreapera smaller onscreen keyboard would be nice :)16:56
mrgreaper(i use a n800)16:56
Stskeepsyeah, well, that one was just cos hildon-input-method isn't that friendly towards non-hildon apps16:57
* Stskeeps wonders how difficult it would be to make hildon-input-method go for active window instead..16:57
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L0cutushttp://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0066616:57
L0cutusreally small ;-)16:57
L0cutusbut pretty usable with some training16:57
mrgreaperok the x-terminal is done but i see no new apps?16:57
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet16:58
mrgreaperl0cutus i get awway with my n800 at work as it looks like a phone :) add a keyboard and when i get supervisor visit they may get suss nice though16:58
Stskeepsmrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet &16:58
mrgreaperi get an error ..17:00
L0cutushehehe17:00
mrgreapercant get session bus: did not recieve reply17:00
mrgreaperrestart the tablet ? or is that a wndows nly fix lol17:00
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start and try again17:01
Stskeepswel17:01
mrgreaperrebooting lol17:01
Stskeepsdo that and "exit", and the bluetooth-applet &17:01
Stskeeps:P17:01
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thuxStskeeps: tablet-kdm-autologin is installed17:02
thuxbut still doesn't do autologin17:02
Stskeepsthux: hm, and that doesnt work?17:02
mrgreaperone other feedback while its booting the keyboard really needs a click or little noise when you tap a go ...just feels wierd with out it lol17:03
Stskeepsadmittedly i haven't tested keblet after the whole reconfiguration17:03
thuxok17:03
Stskeepsthux: is it kde3 or kde4?17:03
Stskeepsthux: feel free to track down why it doesn't work17:04
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Stskeepsthux: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-kdm-autologin is source of package17:05
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X-Fadelcuk: Invitation sent...17:07
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mrgreaperbluetooth manager has loaded up17:07
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mrgreapertell me i dont have to do that every tie lol17:07
Stskeepsmrgreaper: nah, just once, afaik :P17:08
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mrgreaperclicking bluetiith manager seems to do nawt though17:08
mrgreaperhaving a bad keyboard day lol17:09
mrgreaperfound how to get preferences up17:09
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Stskeepshehe.. it's not easy sadly17:09
Stskeepsyou start to appreciate all the work nokia has done for os2008 at times17:10
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crashanddieiGo stopped making keyboards?17:11
* Stskeeps tries to compile advanced backlight for deblet.17:12
crashanddiemrgreaper, naught17:12
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I can't fathom why.17:12
mrgreaperok i can connect to th n800 from my phone but i dont see how to connect the n800 to the internet thrugh the phone?17:13
mrgreapercrashanddie ?17:13
GeneralAntillesThey bought ThinkOutside and killed the keyboards a year later.17:13
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crashanddiemrgreaper, "seems to do nawt"17:13
crashanddieit's naught, or nought17:13
Stskeepsmrgreaper: did you hold down the cursor on the icon?17:13
mrgreaperah im dyslexic :)17:13
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, And absolutely no reference on the website or nothing, quite frustrating, really17:13
mrgreaperi have preferences about and sendfile17:14
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mrgreaperpreferences i set it to visable found it and paired17:14
mrgreaperbut nothing referencing dun17:14
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, and it would seem, from Google, that the only product they were known for was the keyboard...17:14
mrgreapermy phone is now in bonded devices though17:15
crashanddiemrgreaper, dyslexic != lazy17:15
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yeah, bizarre.17:15
Stskeepsmrgreaper: try my instructions in the post earlier then17:15
mrgreapernope crashand die dyslexic means learning disabled :)17:15
mrgreaperwhich one? the scary forum link you posted?17:16
Stskeepsyeah17:16
Stskeeps:P17:16
mrgreaper*gulp*17:16
Stskeepsi'm not going to lie to you, this isn't the easiest thing in the world17:16
Stskeeps:P17:16
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mrgreaperreally ought to put in knownissues "hard to connect to the internet through a phone" lol17:17
RST38hHurrah! New Pidgin is in!17:17
mrgreaperi think tonight i will use joikuspot17:17
crashanddiemrgreaper, my definition is closer to the brain having problems with processing graphic symbols, but whatever bloats your goat I guess17:18
mrgreaperone last question before i go to have quite sob, where is the software installer ? do i have to call it up from the terminal17:18
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Stskeepsmrgreaper: you may be able to install synaptic or alike17:19
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mrgreaperah i think my ubuntu server uses that17:19
Stskeepsapt-get is the basic software installer17:19
Stskeeps:P17:19
mrgreaperbut it was pre insalled17:19
mrgreaperlol so how do i browse with apt-get?17:19
johnxtry aptitude for browsing17:20
crashanddiemrgreaper, apt-cache search [PKGNAME]17:20
Stskeepshttp://packages.debian.org/testing/ is good as well17:20
Stskeepswe dont have one for deblet itself just yet, but yeah, aptitude17:20
mrgreaperummmm ok.... how do i install synaptic...im guessing its not as ssimple as apt-get install synaptic17:21
Stskeepssure it is17:21
Stskeeps:P17:21
Stskeepswhy wouldn't it be? :P17:21
mrgreaperO_o ah ok17:21
mrgreaperoh and incase you didnt know what joikuspot is http://www.joikuspot.com/ (not ideal but will allow me to use the net at work tonight as im close to a plug socket lol)17:22
* Stskeeps wonders why advanced-backlight depends on hildon-control-panel-dev17:22
* mrgreaper wishes the keyboard would beep when he tapped the screen17:23
Stskeepsit would in hildon :P17:23
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Stskeepsi hate that cos i use my tablet in lectures so17:24
* mrgreaper misses hildon and curses the guy that told him this has print support (whole reason for changing)17:24
Stskeepsheh17:24
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mrgreapersynaptic apears to be installing17:25
mrgreaperi couldnt print from the default diablo os17:25
mrgreapersomone posted in my thread that deblet has print support so i thought what the hell lets try it lol17:25
qwerty12Stskeeps, lol, you have a pocket loox 720 as well?17:26
Stskeepsqwerty12: at my work, yeah17:26
Stskeepswe have tonnes of gadgets17:26
Stskeepsmrgreaper: well it has as much print support as any other linux os..17:26
qwerty12Lol, I blew the backlight on mine & it gets *really* hot in 10 mins >.<. I remember using some form of linux on it17:27
mrgreaperproblem with synaptic17:27
mrgreaperi loaded it its asking me for a pssword and the rest of the screen is inactive including onscreen keyboard17:27
mrgreaperthink i might just have to reformat the card and go back to os2008 :(17:29
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qwerty12For that lol? install gconf-editor, and look around in /apps/gksu. I found a gconf value that stopped it from taking over the entire screen17:30
RST38h"A.I.G. executives threw a  $440,000 party for themselves a week after the government bailed them out to the tune of $85 billion."17:30
RST38hHehehehe17:30
qwerty12in the end I set that and i made it use sudo as backend and set myself as ALL: NOPASSWD17:30
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mrgreapertis a shame, it looks nice too i mean the browser seems much nicer then the inbuilt one i prefer the gui looks really nice17:30
Stskeepsmrgreaper: write "synaptic" under su in x-terminal17:31
mrgreaperone sec17:31
mrgreaperyour a genuis17:31
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mrgreaperi assume anything in there will work for the tablet (with in reason)17:32
Stskeepsno, just insane17:32
Stskeepsyeah17:32
mrgreapercool ill play around with it tonight (for as long as i can) no batterie meter makes life interesting lol17:33
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mrgreaperright thankyou for your help (i have bookmarked that weblink with all the gibberish ...errr ...i mean script lol)17:35
mrgreaperwhen is the next version of deblet due and do you have to reflash each time like with the nokia one?17:36
johnxjust a note mrgreaper, stuff you find in synaptic is not guaranteed to work very well. most of it will work to some degree, but you might have to launch it from the terminal in some cases17:36
mrgreaperi hate that terminal :(17:36
Stskeepsit's powerful and painful17:36
Stskeeps:P17:36
mrgreaperif i said i wish nokia had gone the windows way would you all end up hating me ?17:37
GeneralAntillesYes17:37
johnxnah, we just wouldn't be here working on this17:37
mrgreaperi shant say it then lol17:37
GeneralAntillesBecause it's a non sensical thing to say.17:37
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johnxmrgreaper, you might want to look for something running windows mobile in that case17:37
mrgreaperim sure ill get the hang of it eventualy17:38
mrgreaperto be fair the n800 does exactly ehat i need it to its when i want to do more then i need it starts to let me down17:38
johnxit's when you want it to do more that you need to put in a bit of your own time/effort. :)17:39
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Stskeepsjohnx: windows mobile tends to make people want to hack their devices with linux though17:39
Stskeeps.. i'm not sure why though17:39
lardmanwhere in the case of windows you could hope someone had already done so and pay them for their code?17:39
johnxStskeeps, because the grass is always greener...17:39
Stskeepsjohnx: i guess the nokia is kinda interesting cos it's people hacking linux on to a .. linux device17:40
lardmanjohnx: can't be much less green than Windows CE/Mobile/whatever it's called though ;)17:40
qwerty12Stskeeps, nah, on my ppc, linux sucked more than wm2003se17:40
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Stskeepsqwerty12: you had a pocket loox too or? :P17:40
mrgreaperim pretty confident diablet will be better once its more polished (dont get me wrong i like it specialy how easy it is to read the browser and looks like i can add firefox extensions to it (not tried yet)17:40
lardmanqwerty12: pm stuff?17:40
qwerty12Stskeeps, yep17:40
manyosois opera even available for N810 anymore?17:40
Stskeepsqwerty12: i was thinking to port deblet ;>17:40
qwerty12lardman, ?17:40
GeneralAntillesmanyoso, it never was.17:40
lardmanpower management17:40
Stskeepsdiablet? oh, burn17:41
Stskeeps:P17:41
mrgreapersorry deblet17:41
manyosoGeneralAntilles: does the browser still have the ability to switch engines then?17:41
mrgreaperdamn dyslexia17:41
qwerty12lardman, the interface etc was much more harder to use + it was booted from windows rather than being flashed so after a hard reset, i'd return to a wiped wm2003se17:41
manyosoor was that generic feature removed when opera stopped supporting17:41
GeneralAntillesmanyoso, sure.17:42
mrgreaperright im off to kill things before work (in a game of course)17:42
GeneralAntillesIt's not gonna be fun setting up WebKit to work with EAL, though.17:42
mrgreaperthnx again for the help even if i have gone cross eyed on some of it17:42
lardmanqwerty12: alright17:42
mrgreaperbye17:42
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manyosoGeneralAntilles: i've compiled a dummy eal, but the browser app is not seeing this engine17:43
GeneralAntillesmanyoso, I don't know the specifics. I'd try maemo-developers for details.17:44
GeneralAntillesOr maybe poke timeless if he's around in here.17:44
qwerty12manyoso, play around with the settings. I think the menu to switch engines is hidden in a config file in ~ somewhere and also in gconf. I must add though, that I've never gotten the menu to show up.17:44
lcukx-fade, thanks :) not quite ready for it yet but should be in extras-devel soon enough17:44
* lcuk kicks crashanddie for screwing with his locations and scripts for packaging :P17:45
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crashanddiedid I? :-°17:46
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manyosoqwerty12: ok17:46
Stskeepsadvanced-backlight people, you have a bashism in your postinst: if [ "$VERSION" == "18" ]17:47
Stskeeps:P17:47
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zwnjhi there17:50
zwnjis 4.2008.23-14 the latest diablo for n800?17:50
qwerty124.2008.36-5 is17:51
qwerty12Update an tablet already running diablo with the application manager17:51
qwerty12or use the windows flasher to flash directly to that version17:51
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, go file a bug about 36-5 and tablets-dev.17:53
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles, It's nothing major to me. Though NOLS is :>17:53
GeneralAntillesDooooo iiiiiit.17:54
qwerty12Bruv, make me yeh17:54
* GeneralAntilles equips Banhammer of Coercion +6 :P17:55
* qwerty12 runs, aiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!17:56
Sargun_Screenmedia player is being evil17:56
qwerty12I have an aversion to bugzilla, I've only ever filed one bug in my life (on anything) :P17:57
Sargun_Screenqwerty12: filing bugs is for pansies.17:57
Sargun_Screenreal men hack the code17:57
johnxSargun_Screen, good luck with media player (in terms of hacking the code)17:58
Sargun_Screenhehe. its playing all the music I hate17:58
zwnjqwerty12: i couldn't find it on tablets-dev.nokia.com .  should i look for it in n810 section?17:58
Sargun_Screenwell, qwerty12 can do it17:58
qwerty12zwnj, alas, it's only available to people using the windows flasher :(17:59
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qwerty12Sargun_Screen, if only... I'm having trouble reading x86 asm17:59
qwerty12I gave up on armasm long before I got a tablet :P17:59
Sargun_Screenits ok, you can hack at the machine code ;-P18:00
Sargun_Screenwe have C, you know?18:00
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zwnjqwerty12: thanks. so i'm going to get SSU with 4.2008.23-14, and try to upgrade it later.18:01
GeneralAntillesjott, ping.18:02
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slonopotamushi everybody18:07
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slonopotamusany ideas where to get libxml2-dev 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4?18:11
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qwerty12http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libxml2/18:12
johnxStskeeps, I did that a while ago18:12
lopzhola18:12
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slonopotamussomehow google could not find that... thanks, qwerty18:14
qwerty12np18:14
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slonopotamus)))18:18
slonopotamusfunny quit message18:18
slonopotamus2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is greater than 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4?18:18
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slonopotamusis it possible to apt-get specific package version (not latest)?18:20
slonopotamuslet's vote for _removing_ 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 from extras-devel. it doesn't make any sence because conflicts with osso-software-version18:20
qwerty12apt-get install something=some.version afaik18:21
slonopotamus=?18:21
X-Fadeslonopotamus: It actually does make sense.18:21
X-FadeYou use a package from the sdk repo, which is not to be used on the device.18:21
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X-FadeYou should be using a package which is available for the tablet. In this case the one from extras-devel ;)18:22
slonopotamusi can't18:22
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slonopotamusbla-bla-maemo1 conflicts with osso-software-version18:23
slonopotamusand it is in extras-devel18:23
slonopotamusbut diablo has bla-bla-osso418:23
slonopotamuswhich is in diablo/sdk repo18:23
X-FadeYeah, but that is a build depend. Not an install depend.18:24
slonopotamusand so what? how i am supposed to install libxml2-dev on tablet?18:25
X-FadeAre you building something _on_ the device?18:26
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qwerty12The windows flasher is a sly mofo. Instead of downloading to %TEMP%, it downloads to IE's cache folder18:27
lcukX-Fade, dont make it sound like its a bad thing, on device development lets you get a better grasp of your intended target18:28
lcuk:P18:28
mikkov_if you install libxml2 in scratchbox with "apt-get install libxml2-dev" it will install newer version than in sdk, and resulting binaries will also depend on newer libxml than from official repo?18:29
X-Fadelcuk: I was only going to suggest that in that case he'd better go with osso-software-version-unlocked.18:29
lcukand it saves you having to install scratchbox and stuff18:29
lcukagreed on that score x18:29
X-Fademikkov_: Well, that is something we as a community haven't really had a discussion on.18:29
* lcuk runs back to work anyway18:29
X-Fademikkov_: We might want to setup some ground rules for that ;)18:30
mikkov_when some other packages have been "replaced" they have used different name18:31
Stskeeps~curse maemo-gtk18:31
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo-gtk !18:31
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Stskeepsjohnx: what could possibly go wrong if i made stock deblet gtk be maemo gtk?18:34
johnxhmmm18:34
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johnxStskeeps, a lot of breakage ... potentially?18:35
Stskeepsmm18:36
* Stskeeps really wonders why they didn't do something along the lines of a wrapper for gtk18:37
johnxactually, they could have made most of the changes in a gtk theme I think18:38
Stskeepsmm18:38
X-Fadejohnx: But where would one put the tap-and-hold stuff etc ;)18:38
johnxX-Fade, as a gtk input module18:39
johnxlike everyone else in the whole world does18:39
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johnxgoogle: gtk-stylus18:39
Stskeepshttp://live.gnome.org/Maemo/Gtk26Rationales18:39
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Stskeepshttp://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- please to fear.. (not that it works, i wonder why though.)18:44
johnxgood deal18:45
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jottGeneralAntilles: pong18:48
jottStskeeps: it needs libdsme18:48
GeneralAntillesjott, so it's the repository making Application manager not install the xserver and kernel.18:48
Stskeepsjott: ah.18:48
Stskeepsforgot to wedge that one in18:49
jottGeneralAntilles: aaah ok18:49
GeneralAntillesDon't think there's any way around it. :\18:49
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jottStskeeps: its dlopened and apparently does not warn you ;)18:50
jottGeneralAntilles: any details?18:50
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Stskeepssomeone should make a open source libdsme.. it's trivial really18:50
jottGeneralAntilles: install patched h-a-m first? ;p18:51
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GeneralAntillesWell, you can switch the repository compartmentalizing with Red Pill. . . .18:51
jottStskeeps: meh, better push the release of the official one and see what can be used ;)18:51
GeneralAntillesTruth be told, it's actually a reasonable idea.18:52
GeneralAntillesjott, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-October/022791.html18:52
GeneralAntillesDetails it.18:52
jottah thx18:52
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Stskeepsjott: that did the trick, ta18:53
Stskeepsrotation works too, but probably better on a rotation enabled kernel18:53
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GeneralAntillesjott, yet more incentive to get the community edition going, anyway. ;)18:53
Stskeepsjott: does adv-backlight take non-maemo patches? ;)18:55
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slonopotamuswoops18:58
slonopotamusi'm back18:58
jottStskeeps: sure.18:59
jottGeneralAntilles: heh yeah.18:59
slonopotamusso. i think that bla-bla-maemo1 should be removed from extras.18:59
slonopotamusis there any formal procedure for package removal?19:00
crashanddie[Off-Topic] Anyone ever bought a car with AutoQuake?19:01
slonopotamusvoting on -dev or smth?19:01
jottslonopotamus: which package?19:01
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johnxcrashanddie, you're planning to buy a user car, without seeing it, over the internet? what could possibly go wrong?19:02
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slonopotamuseverybody ignores me :(19:02
johnxslonopotamus, or nobody knows the answer19:03
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johnxslonopotamus, want me to lie to you?19:03
slonopotamus:)19:03
GeneralAntillesslonopotamus, what jott said.19:03
qwerty12slonopotamus, send me some ganja and I'll do it for you19:03
crashanddiejohnx, that's exactly why I'm asking19:03
crashanddiejohnx, I want input :)19:03
crashanddiejohnx, cuz the prices are quite attractive19:04
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I wouldn't.19:04
GeneralAntillesUsually you get what you pay for.19:04
johnxcrashanddie, buying a used car over the internet is a horrible idea. Buy it in person and take a mechanic friend with you or take it to a mechanic you trust19:04
crashanddieI'm enough of a mechanic to understand how to advise if a car is worth the money19:04
johnxGeneralAntilles, no. usually you get reamed.19:04
GeneralAntillesjohnx, exactly. ;)19:04
crashanddieI wonder if a viewing/test drive is possible19:04
johnxcrashanddie, if you're any kind of a mechanic at all you must realize everything that can be wrong with a car that can be hidden with pictures and descriptions, that only looking at it and driving it yourself can find19:06
crashanddiethat's why I ask for input !19:06
crashanddie(crashanddie) I wonder if a viewing/test drive is possibl19:06
johnxif you can get them to agree to a test drive, then there's no problem19:07
johnxif not, then treat it as a car that doesn't drive19:07
qwerty12crashanddie, You're asking if people have bought a car from a UK company and in all honesty, I don't see a lot of us from the UK on here19:07
slonopotamusjott, libxml2-dev version 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is in extras and extras-devel. however it can't be installed on tablet because of conflict with osso-software-version. however, 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4 can be installed (it matches diablo's libxml2 package) but it is only available in diablo/sdk repo which is not supposed to be used on tablet. this all looks messed up.19:07
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slonopotamusi wonder why 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 exists at all19:09
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jottslonopotamus: because you can install osso-software-version-rxXX-unlocked19:09
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slonopotamusso i'm not supposed to have libxml2-dev without breaking the lock?19:10
jottslonopotamus: -dev packages are not really meant to be installed on the tablet.19:11
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jottif you want to do so, you should actually know what you are doing.19:11
jott(and that is either install the matching package from the sdk repo or install the -unlocked package and get a more recent version)19:12
slonopotamusok. technically you answered 'yes' :)19:13
jottslonopotamus: to which question? :/19:14
slonopotamustoo many repos...19:14
jotthuh? no. i just said -dev package are not meant for end-users.19:14
jottand developers are supposed to know what they are doing...19:14
slonopotamusjott, i'm doing something unsupported :)19:14
jottyes. :)19:15
slonopotamusjott, you won't tell anyone that i've replaced busybox with coreutils, uh?19:16
slonopotamus:)19:16
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jotti don't care. just don't complain when you get stucked in a reboot loop ;)19:16
qwerty12slonopotamus, I've done it by modifying dpkg status file manually. Kinda sucked when ls -la would segfault :)19:17
jottqwerty12: who needs "ls" when one can use readdir :P19:19
qwerty12me :P19:19
qwerty12I've never come across readdir before :P, only dir and ls from this noob :P19:19
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crashanddiejohnx, actually, I can view and test drive a vehicle if I want to :P19:20
jottqwerty12: it's readdir(3) :>19:20
johnxcrashanddie, then go for it!19:20
crashanddielet's first wait for a job :P19:20
crashanddiebut hell, a mx-5 with only 7000m for 8g19:21
qwerty12crashanddie, Ask if they take IOU's?19:21
crashanddieI don't do IOU's19:21
GeneralAntillesI hear chick cars are good for picking up chicks. :P19:21
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, for girls who want to "convert" you..19:23
Stskeeps:P19:23
GeneralAntillesHehe19:23
johnxgotta go with crashanddie on the mx5 being a darn nice little car19:23
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, an angle's an angle. ;)19:23
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, oh, sure, it's a Z3 without all the fail.19:23
GeneralAntillesStill a chick car, though. ;)19:23
crashanddiejohnx, http://www.autoquake.com/vehicle/inspid=550819:24
* johnx rolls his eyes at GeneralAntilles 19:24
GeneralAntillesI don't make the rules. :D19:24
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johnxGeneralAntilles, you just buy into them?19:25
johnxI guess that's what I should have expected from a Mac user :P :D19:25
* GeneralAntilles rolls his eyes at johnx.19:25
qwerty12FAIL. You included a full stop19:25
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Stskeepsmmm. steak, fries and bernaise sauce. <3 loving being home alone once in a while19:29
johnxstop making me hungry. there's no snacks around here :P19:30
qwerty12johnx, but you have all that rice :P19:31
summatusmentisspeaking of food, I need to go grocery shopping sometime19:31
GeneralAntillesNice, the power steering failed on my mom's 2 year old Camry Hybrid.19:32
johnxqwerty12, takes like 20min to cook. I'm hungry now19:32
johnxGeneralAntilles, power steering is for old people driving sedans... oh wait19:32
johnxjust get her a bigger steering wheel! problem solved19:32
qwerty12johnx, No takeaway outlets? I could get kebab roll, chicken wings from at least 20 places near to where I live :P19:33
GeneralAntillesjohnx, not on modern cars. :P19:33
GeneralAntillesWide tires, heavy weight. . . .19:33
johnxqwerty12, at 1:30AM?19:33
johnxGeneralAntilles, it builds character19:33
qwerty12johnx, Well, I know the supermarket is open 24 hours, I could probably get something from there and put it in the microwave :P19:33
GeneralAntillesjohnx, and upper arm muscles, but I'll pass. :P19:33
johnxit sucks at parking lot speeds, admittedly19:34
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johnxqwerty12, I think I'm out of luck :/19:34
qwerty12johnx, No putting your hand inside tv food adverts yet?19:35
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles, what car do you have?19:36
GeneralAntilles'04 Camry 2.4L 5-speed19:37
johnxqwerty12, I think the newer phones have that, but mine's a year old...19:37
qwerty12hehe19:37
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crashanddieOk19:37
crashanddieAnd you have a beard, right?19:37
GeneralAntillesRight19:38
crashanddieThank you very much, being beardy and owning a toyota, you are not allowed to call any other car "a girl's car"19:38
crashanddie:D19:38
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure how that's relevant.19:38
GeneralAntillesI figure sensible-car driving lumberjacks should be able to call girl's cars girl's cars anyway. :P19:39
johnxcrashanddie, don't mind him. he's in denial19:40
* johnx wishes toyota would do something exciting again...19:40
GeneralAntillesFor serious19:41
GeneralAntillesI want that RWD Corolla I keep hearing about.19:41
johnxha19:41
johnxpeople wanted that for 18 years19:41
johnxthe writing was on the wall when they dropped even the celica19:41
johnxit's funny that honda is taking sporty cars seriously and toyota is being boring these days19:42
GeneralAntillesThey only thing sporty Toyota ships is the Tacoma. <_<19:42
GeneralAntillesI want the MR2 back with less suck.19:43
johnxI'd actually go for a 1st gen MR-219:43
johnxgood gas mileage and lots of fun, or so I hear19:43
GeneralAntillesCrazy weight distribution.19:44
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johnxlooks ok to me19:45
johnxonly a problem for people who are used to nose-heavy sedans19:45
GeneralAntillesMy goal is to get an E30 M3 at some point.19:47
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johnxwouldn't be bad19:47
GeneralAntillesNope, it would be friggin' fantastic.19:47
johnxI really like the second gen supras 82-8519:47
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glass_i want a pristine gtv619:48
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GeneralAntillesMmm, Italian, I'd have to take a Lancia Delta Integrale.19:49
johnxGeneralAntilles, hmm...I'd rather have an I6 than a four banger. otherwise the e30 m3 looks nice19:51
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GeneralAntillesThe E30 is a little more purebred than the E36.19:51
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GeneralAntillesIt's sad how totally BMW has killed the M3.19:52
johnxyeah, e36 looks way too heavy :/19:53
lardmancars get bigger, c'est la vie19:53
GeneralAntillesE90 is straight up horrifying19:53
johnxcars get bigger and I don't have to buy them or like them :)19:54
GeneralAntillesHehe19:54
GeneralAntillesI'd also like to go old and big19:54
GeneralAntilles1966 Dodge Charger19:54
lardmanof course :)19:54
GeneralAntillesGiant blue electric razor19:54
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* johnx could never drive a car much over 3,000lbs19:54
johnxwell, I can, but I wouldn't do it on purpose19:54
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lardmanhmm, so most stuff is out then?19:55
lardmanmodern stuff that is19:55
johnxmost mdern stuff, sadly yes19:55
johnxdoesn't bother me much though19:55
GeneralAntillesYou can always drive a Lotus. ;)19:55
johnxwell, it's not all bad then :)19:56
johnxor a honda fit, or any of the "yellow tag" cars from Japan19:56
GeneralAntillesMy uncle has a nice Elise19:56
GeneralAntillesunreal car19:56
johnxanother thing I hate about modern cars: ridiculous plastic engine covers19:57
GeneralAntillesHa19:57
GeneralAntilles"No, you can't touch this."19:57
GeneralAntillesBizarre19:57
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johnxit's like, I opened the hood for a reason and it wasn't to see a crap-ton of plastic staring at me19:58
Stskeepsoh, neat, videos from sessions at maemo summit19:58
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, swap it for carbon fiber. ;)19:58
johnxhmm...I don't think that solves the problem19:58
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GeneralAntillesLooks cool, though!19:59
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Stskeepsjohnx: http://linuxuk.org/node/68 <- entertainment :)20:00
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johnxI'll watch it later when there's no one to wake up :)20:01
Stskeepsqole really needs to learn how to present though20:01
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lardmanqwerty12: re comment about showing off, well that's exactly right :)20:21
qwerty12lardman, :P20:22
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lardmanwide screen and stereo sound for the whole 10s of the average mobile phone mp4 file20:23
lardman:)20:23
qwerty12Heh, yeah, I remember watching transformers off the 176x220 screen...20:24
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Sargun_ScreenI need more RAM20:26
Sargun_Screenlike 768mb at least20:26
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lardmanlcuk: mmmmm20:32
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lcuki had a problem the other day, the frying pan was too small for the quantity of bacon which needed cooking20:37
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GeneralAntillesTime for a big cast iron griddle.20:41
Stskeepsmm, bacon20:42
lcukGeneralAntilles, i was thinking more along the lines of a pig sized conveyor oven, or alternatively one of them kebab meat sookers but with bacon aorund it.20:43
lcukcookers ^20:43
lcuk- other typos20:43
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: how does extras policy look like if there's in-source compiled binaries? like, kernel modules compiled into .ko's and such20:44
Stskeepssomewhat that's counterproductive to the whole "being able to recompile the package for new versions if needed"20:44
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, dunno.20:44
lardmanoi you lot, no work being done here due to the bacon talk!20:45
GeneralAntillesWe could talk about steak instead20:45
* lcuk is hungry and waiting for luke to come back form the chippy :)20:45
GeneralAntillesor maybe cake.20:45
* Stskeeps had a delicious pepper steak, mm.20:45
lcukthe cake is a lie20:45
lcukim also planning to implement proper styling in liqbase tonight :) i intend to remove the dull boxen and replace with a hand drawn theme :)20:46
GeneralAntillesHire Khertan!20:46
lcukheh!20:47
lcuki was hoping to hold off until i had got png saving down to a fine art, but it looks like that will take a backburner20:47
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Stskeeps'lo moontiger21:00
moontigerhey Stskeeps i was meaning to ask you ... is using dbus ok for the batt mon?21:01
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Stskeepsfor asking HAL?21:01
moontigeryes21:01
Stskeepsyeah, i think that's how most people do it21:01
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Stskeepsmoontiger: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- we now have backlight applet too ;)21:02
moontigerright ... so im writing a dbus client that registers with the battery hal thing and gets updates .... prolly on a timer with sleep() in the loop21:02
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moontigerthis might take me a little while as im new to this level of system coding on linux but its kinda fun21:02
Stskeepshehe21:02
|maddler|hey all21:03
GAN800Nice backlight. ;)21:03
moontigerim off work next week and up in seattle so i can focus more on it there21:03
Stskeepsit sure is, but you want to beat your head against a wall once in a while21:03
pupnik810moemo21:03
pupnik810mooemo21:03
moontigergot to get back to my class now ... brb21:03
StskeepsGAN800: yeah, it was easy to port actually.. just had to ignore some dependancies you don't use anyway and remove a maemogtkism21:03
GAN800pupnik21:03
pupnik810sup ga21:03
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pupnik810<- sick, cold, headache21:04
GAN800Sleepy Thursday afternoon.21:04
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solmumahaevening pupnik81021:07
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pupnik810hui solarion21:08
pupnik810solmumaha,21:08
pupnik810was a nice sol-y day here21:08
Mace`is there a maemo pkg for ff or epiphany?21:09
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Mace`iceweasel21:09
Mace`anything other than microb?21:09
solmumahaboss wanted to send me to berlin but i refused after i saw the conference price21:09
pupnik810heh21:10
pupnik810mace - links21:10
Mace`cheaper now that the $ is up21:10
Mace`i need java .. for ajax zimbra21:10
jaskanormal jre on n8x0? ouch21:11
pupnik810gtg21:11
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Mace`works in deblet ;)21:16
StskeepsMace`: are you Macer btw? i just wonder :P21:16
Mace`yes21:16
Stskeepsah21:16
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Mace`Stskeeps- cant you rip the bt phone stuff from maemo?21:17
Mace`to set it up for deblet21:18
Mace`?21:18
StskeepsMace`: i try to avoid ripping stuff honestly21:18
Mace`;)21:18
Mace`but it's so easy in maemo21:18
Mace`and such a pain in deblet21:18
StskeepsMace`: i'm building new network-manager atm21:19
Stskeepsthe svn21:19
Stskeepsit has PPP21:19
Stskeepsso that helps21:19
GAN800Maemo is far and away the easiest OS I've ever tethered with.21:19
Stskeepsand i agree, that is one thing they got really right21:19
GAN800Easier than OS X21:19
crashanddienot easier than say... Debian21:19
Stskeepscrashanddie: trust me, maemo is easier :P21:20
crashanddieoptimised != easy21:20
GAN800Um21:20
GAN800How is it not easy?21:20
crashanddieI didn't say it wasn't easy21:21
crashanddiedjeezus21:21
crashanddieI'm just saying21:21
GAN800You tell it your provider and connect.21:21
GAN800Saying what?21:21
* GAN800 isn't clear on that.21:21
crashanddieSaying Maemo is easy, well, that's a bit stating the obvious21:22
Stskeepsi was a bit disappointed roaming data didn't work while i was in ireland though, but that might be because of vodafone craziness21:22
crashanddieBut it's no different in easiness than say, Debian21:22
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Stskeeps'lo qole21:30
Stskeepsqole: sorry for asking you to come by, the thread would become way too long :)21:30
qoleI have the folder...21:35
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Stskeepsalright, mv away the debian folder for now (we'll use it in a minute), and rename the root folder to easy-debian-<version>21:36
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lardmanhi qole21:37
qolelardman: hi!21:38
Stskeepsqole: and make sure you have apt-get'ed dpkg-dev dh-make21:38
Stskeeps(assuming you're doing this in a debian chroot :P)21:38
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qolejust for everyone else: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2416121:40
qolelooks like I just needed dh-make21:43
Stskeepsalright, now in your easy-debian-<version>, touch Makefile (we'll edit this later), dh_make -c gpl -l your@mail -n -s21:45
qoleI've deleted the debian folder ... renamed root fldr to easy-debian-0.9-1021:46
Stskeeps(see -c options in dh_make --help). the flags select which license to refer to in it, that it's a debian native package (we don't have upstream source), and a single binary (not sure about differences)21:46
Stskeeps-e your@mail, sorry21:47
Stskeepsthat makes a skeleton debian/ folder for you after you confirm21:47
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Stskeepsthen, edit debian/control, first part is for source package - what is needed to build this package, what section should the packages end up in, etc, second part is info about the built package21:49
qoledhmake: 'Extra parameters on command line'21:49
Stskeepsyeah, dh_make -c gpl -e your@mail -n -s21:50
Stskeepsmade a typo21:50
* lardman looks at building a DSP kernel21:50
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Stskeepsqole: and you can probably pull most of this info from your old control, but do note you shouldn't put in Version: for instance21:51
qoleone weirdness: "Maintainer name : root"21:52
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Stskeepsyeah, it gets your gecos i guess21:52
qolewhy no version?21:53
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Stskeepsbecause it gets generated automatically by the build system, based on latest entry in debian/changelog21:53
Stskeeps(which is another chapter, but the 'dch' script is nice there)21:54
qolewhat's  with all the .ex files?21:54
Stskeepsexample files, we'll rm *.ex *.EX in the end21:54
Stskeepsyou can do export DEBFULLNAME="Full Name" seemingily (root question)21:55
qoleso I can dump my preinst etc  back into debian/ now?21:55
Stskeepsyeah, dump in preinst, postrm, postinst, prerm again21:55
Stskeepsmake sure they're +x obviously21:56
Stskeepsverify debian/copyright is to your liking as well21:58
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Stskeepsthen this: http://rafb.net/p/daDiLH76.html should suffice as a Makefile22:01
Stskeeps(the indentation -must- be a tab)22:02
qolehacking away at debian/control... merging my one with the autogenerated one...22:03
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mikkov_are you making binary only debs for extras?22:08
qoleI have a big binary blob in my control, 'Maemo-Icon-26:'22:08
mikkov_yeah, but binary only programs?22:09
mikkov_which are opensource22:09
qolemikkov_: yes, although most is shell scripts, etc, there is no source for binary bits22:09
mikkov_point of the buildable source packages is that you can actually build them.22:10
qole(not my code, but donated to the project)22:10
mikkov_and you are required to provide source code according to gpl22:10
* rm_you pokes qole 22:11
rm_yougood to see you on IRC22:11
rm_younow to run off22:11
* rm_you runs off22:11
mikkov_shell scripts of cource are the code themselves22:11
* lardman is impressed that building a DSP kernel just works (TM)22:12
derfI still haven't gotten it to "Just Work (TM)".22:12
qolethe support binaries are either tiny bits of donated code (Bundyo's hostwin app)...22:13
derfThough I still haven't spent much time with it... but my LCA talk was accepted, so the motivation is there now.22:13
qole...or bits of other OSS packages that I intend to make into 'depends' once I successfully get this to upload.22:14
qolebut I should see if Bundyo will give me the source for his app... which opens a window then runs a shell script...22:16
mikkov_I would get clarification of the license and the source if it's open source. Even if it is very simple program22:17
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* rm_you waves as he goes flying by in the other direction, off to work22:17
milhousemaemo.org offline or just dog-arse slow?22:23
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lardmanderf: what are you trying to get to work? The DSP code?22:26
lardmanyes, from reading your next comment22:27
derfYeah.22:27
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lardmanderf: any error in particular?22:29
derfNo, still just sorting through what to do with the toolchain.22:29
lardmanah, ok22:29
lardmanyou stick it in /opt/ti_dsptools/ ?22:30
derfYeah.22:30
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lardmanshould just work then if you use the Makefile I posted22:30
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ssvbhi lardman, any progress with DSP crusade?22:34
lardmanssvb: yes, I was just going to email you :)22:35
lardmanI've just compiled the kernel, was grabbing info to write hw codec driver for the 77022:35
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lardmannot sure if that would be of use in your quest to make the 770 a decent multimedia machine, but thought it might be interesting/useful22:36
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derflardman: Err, I can't seem to find that Makefile.22:38
lardmanderf: hang on a tick, let me find an url22:38
lardmanah, I didn't post it, sorry22:38
derfHeh, that would be why.22:38
derfAlso, you mentioned having to make some code mods?22:38
Stskeepsqole: how's it going?22:39
lardmanyeah, I think the only thing I altered was testcelt.c22:40
ssvblardman: still running audio driver on ARM side is probably the best solution from the technical point of view, and it is much more realistic to achieve22:40
lardmantrying to remember myself22:40
henriquethe .desktop file spec has changed in diablo?22:40
henriqueos is it the same as in previous version of maemo?22:40
derfOkay.22:40
derfBecause I know there are some fixes that need to go into the real meat of the codec.22:41
lardmanssvb: yes, certainly, I just thought I'd take a look - especially as there are nearly complete drivers available anyway for the aic2322:41
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lardmanderf: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/dsp/22:41
lardmanI get a failure in float_cast.h, #warning is unknown (l97 & 98)22:45
lardmanI am slightly concerned with using floats on the DSP too, not sure how fast it will be22:45
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Stskeepslardman: so, just curious, what's your goals with this and the 770? open source dsp codecs or?22:46
lardmanStskeeps: always open source codecs, but just something interesting to do too22:46
Stskeeps*nod*22:47
lardmanderf: entdec.c has multiple "shift count is too large" warnings22:47
lardmanderf: cwrs.c : truncation warnings from integer conversion22:48
derfLines?22:48
whodatis it common the on n810 for the screen to wobble on its track a bit when the keyboard is in open position? kind of annoying to me.22:48
Stskeepslardman: it's interesting for sure.. especially with nokia seemingily trying their hardest to forget they existed in terms of software ;)22:48
lardmanentdec.c: 32,40,41,69,77,7822:48
derf16 should really not be too large for a 32-bit type.22:48
lardmanStskeeps: they inherited the code, not much they could do about it22:48
lardmanderf: that casts the output, or the array type?22:49
derfArray indexing has higher precedence than casts.22:50
lardmanI'm just looking for the definition of the structure22:51
derf((ec_uint32)(_b->ptr[2]))<<16 is the equivalent fully-parenthesized version.22:51
lardmanah, well this is an odd compiler... :)22:51
derfOperator precedence is a pretty fundamental thing for a compiler to get wrong.22:52
lardmanyeah well, didn't fix it anyway22:52
derfI'm more worried that celt_uint32_t is not being defined correctly.22:52
lardmanyep, that's my next to-look-at22:53
troyhls22:53
troyhdoah, wrong window...22:54
derflardman: Did you define HAVE_CONFIG_H ?22:55
lardmanno22:55
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lardmanjust CONFIG_H22:55
derfYeah, that could be part of the problem.22:55
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lardmanok, will try again22:56
derfI mean, you define CONFIG_H _in_ config.h22:56
lardmanyes22:56
cyrus__anyone here install deblet on n810. i have a quick question regarding the partitioning of the memory card. Do I just need to make one primary partition? Does it need to be set bootable and what filesystem should I put on it?22:56
derfBut without HAVE_CONFIG_H, it won't even include config.h22:56
lardmanah, I see22:56
lardmanwhere shall I define that then?22:56
lardmantestcelt.c?22:56
lardmanMakefile22:57
derfMakefile22:57
derfIt's needed for every .c file.22:57
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lardmanhmm22:59
lardmanso shall I pass it as a -D flag to the compiler?22:59
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lardmanah, yes23:00
woglindehi23:01
derfYeah.23:01
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lardman"fixed_c5x.h", line 38: fatal error: could not open source file "dsplib.h"23:03
lardmanHeroes beckons, will take a look afterwards23:04
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derflardman|tv: I assume that is referring to http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru422i/spru422i.pdf23:24
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crashanddieWas House last night or the night before?23:30
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Stskeepscyndis: make a tiny fat partition (16m?), one ext2/3 and one for swap (128mb-192m)23:44
Stskeepscyndis: is how i usually do it23:44
Stskeepsand no, bootable has no meaning on tablet23:45
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lardmanderf: does your code use dsplib fns?23:57
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GNUtonhi there23:57
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derflardman: Yes.23:58
lardmanright-ho23:58
derfAt least, it certainly does if you #define ENABLE_TI_DSPLIB, which you do.23:58
lardmanyep23:58
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lardmanhmm, rubbish Windows, file is named Dsplib.h23:59

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