| Blafasel | zookie: Did, works now ;) | 00:00 |
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| zookie | ;) | 00:00 |
| Blafasel | |tbb|: Hmm.. Doesn't work for me, different versions. | 00:00 |
| |tbb| | yeah u need 4.0 | 00:00 |
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| Blafasel | 0.4.1 on the server.. 0.4.0 isn't even offered as package. *sigh* | 00:01 |
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| zookie | omg | 00:11 |
| zookie | beer's empty | 00:11 |
| Blafasel | 2 left here. More than enough, given how tired I am.. | 00:12 |
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| zookie | well one left, im just too lazy to get it :/ | 00:13 |
| zookie | mm need a fag | 00:15 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows how to send messagebox to maemo-desktop with dbus-send | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very carefully, |tbb|. :P | 00:20 |
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| zookie | true that | 00:20 |
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| zookie | it might bite :/ | 00:20 |
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| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: what you mean? | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read as: I don't know. ;) | 00:24 |
| Tama^2 | I remember reading how to do it but I cannot recall where I read it | 00:26 |
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| |tbb| | ihave found something inz should know more about it, but this dont work on chinook for me | 00:30 |
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| zookie | :o | 00:33 |
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| Blafasel | One more beer and then off to bed.. And tomorrow I'll start to read about wifi drivers. Hopefully? Damn, it's hard to overcome one's own lazyness. | 00:35 |
| lcuk | its strange how i need to sleep ealier at weekends than in the wekpek | 00:35 |
| zookie | wifi is evil | 00:35 |
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| zookie | mm just found another beer :D | 00:38 |
| Blafasel | ;) | 00:38 |
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| zookie | mm girlfriend just arrived in london, hope she doesn't expect an answer to her sms ^_^ | 00:40 |
| Blafasel | hrhr. Where're you from? | 00:41 |
| zookie | hamburg, germany | 00:41 |
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| spirytusick | re all | 00:42 |
| zookie | yo spirytusick whassup | 00:42 |
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| spirytusick | cruisin.. :) | 00:43 |
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| Lurianic | zookie, wifi is my moble isp | 00:45 |
| Lurianic | s/moble/mobile | 00:45 |
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| zookie | no | 00:47 |
| zookie | its evil | 00:47 |
| Blafasel | Just listening to HH based music ;) | 00:48 |
| zookie | dynamite deluxe? kettcar? something completely different? ;P | 00:49 |
| Blafasel | Wow, quite good.. | 00:49 |
| Lurianic | isp's are evil | 00:49 |
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| Lurianic | so, universal order is maintained. | 00:50 |
| zookie | mm dynamite deluxe? new album? | 00:50 |
| Blafasel | I'll visit Dynamite Deluxe as soon as they're going to play in Cologne (Feb/March, iirc), but I currently listen to last.fm, "Eins Zwo" ;) | 00:50 |
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| zookie | mm dendemann | 00:50 |
| zookie | good choice :) | 00:50 |
| Blafasel | Aye. Saw him live, he's great! | 00:51 |
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| zookie | well i hope i'll get some dd-tickets for march ^_^ | 00:51 |
| Blafasel | Good luck ;) | 00:51 |
| zookie | heh | 00:52 |
| zookie | 1st concert is sold out already :/ | 00:52 |
| pupnik | somebody should make a tracker/rhythmbox app for the tablets | 00:52 |
| zookie | you know curse? | 00:52 |
| Blafasel | Where? | 00:52 |
| Blafasel | Sure I do.. | 00:52 |
| t_s_o | hmm, modest is being troublesome... | 00:52 |
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| Blafasel | I currently happen to wear a T-Shirt with a barely readable (washed out) signature of Curse.. | 00:53 |
| t_s_o | fisrt it crashed when downloading one of my pop accounts, and now it just refuse to download anything from the same account... | 00:53 |
| zookie | nice :) | 00:53 |
| Blafasel | Yep, Splash! is nice ,) | 00:53 |
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| zookie | yeah, most of my friends aren't into hiphop though :( | 00:54 |
| Blafasel | *shrug* Last time (3rd Splash! visit for me) none of my friends hat the time/money, so I went there alone. It was still great. | 00:54 |
| zookie | sure it is :) | 00:55 |
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| Blafasel | It's not like you're alone on a (small, yeah, but..) 25 thousand person festival | 00:55 |
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| zookie | nothing wrong with having a sexy girl around you though ;D | 00:56 |
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| Blafasel | Uhm.. You know that there are a bunch of those anyway? ;) | 00:56 |
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| zookie | as long as they're not kiddies ;P | 00:57 |
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| zookie | ppl in hamburg listening to hiphop are quite scary sometimes ;P more like gangstaz | 00:59 |
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| Blafasel | Naah.. | 00:59 |
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| zookie | yeah really | 01:06 |
| LastLemming | any news about the after N810? | 01:07 |
| LastLemming | wimax? | 01:08 |
| pupnik | wimax is planned | 01:11 |
| zookie | w00t | 01:12 |
| LastLemming | hey what mean w00t ? | 01:12 |
| zookie | n810 is far too expensive though | 01:12 |
| czr | wild double-zero tool | 01:12 |
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| czr | or sometimes wet double-zero tool. | 01:13 |
| czr | depends whether you're talking about before or after. | 01:13 |
| zookie | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woot | 01:13 |
| LastLemming | thx | 01:13 |
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| LastLemming | next nokia will ship for next 6 months? | 01:16 |
| zookie | o_O | 01:16 |
| LastLemming | after* | 01:17 |
| LastLemming | n810 got regression like the cam and no fm tuner | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid WiMAX . . . OMAP3 or bust! | 01:19 |
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| pupnik | wimax is a niche | 01:20 |
| Blafasel | I love the N810, but the missing airreply injection support is really evil and would've stopped me from buying it. I just didn't know it before.. | 01:21 |
| zookie | quite funny, amazon.de sells the n800 for 404,- EUR now :o | 01:21 |
| Blafasel | zookie: Whaaa? Yeah, really cheap. Not. | 01:21 |
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| zookie | well | 01:22 |
| LastLemming | n800 around 230€ | 01:22 |
| zookie | thats more like it | 01:22 |
| zookie | got mine for EUR240,- | 01:22 |
| LastLemming | I don't know what I should do | 01:23 |
| LastLemming | get n800 | 01:23 |
| tekonivel | I paid 250 iirc | 01:23 |
| Tama^2 | Nokia online shop had n800 for about 249 Euro | 01:23 |
| LastLemming | or wait for next one | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N800 > N810 if you don't mind using the fullscreen keyboard. | 01:23 |
| Tama^2 | yea, that or a BT keyboard | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I use the N800's fullscreen keyboard with great success. | 01:24 |
| tekonivel | Usb kb too, right? | 01:24 |
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| LastLemming | when will next one will ship? | 01:24 |
| zookie | why would i use a bt keyboard? ;P | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, no real info, but my guess is that it can't possibly be more than 8 months from now. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 wasn't a real upgrade over the N800. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So we're kinda due for one. | 01:25 |
| tekonivel | zookie: so i can eavesdrop on ur passwds :) | 01:25 |
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| Blafasel | That's not a fact but an impression. | 01:25 |
| LastLemming | yes if the next one it's just got small update too I should get n800 right now instead to wait | 01:25 |
| zookie | oh i dont use passwds ;D | 01:25 |
| Blafasel | I wouldn't want to trade the 810 for a 800. Yes, the keyboard is the main reason | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blafasel, I can get two N800's for the price of an N810 that'll have less storage. | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not worth it. | 01:26 |
| zookie | quite funny though, you cant buy an amazon.de n800 for decent money atm | 01:26 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Subjective. The storage isn't worth a dime for me. | 01:26 |
| LastLemming | the n810 can't rotate like n800 | 01:27 |
| LastLemming | and no fm tuner | 01:27 |
| Blafasel | That's the whole point of these devices for me: Everyone can use it their way. | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, keyboard and outdoor visibility would be the only reason to buy an N810. | 01:28 |
| Blafasel | The N800 supports GPS as well, right? | 01:29 |
| LastLemming | oh yeah GPS | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It supports bluetooth, yes. | 01:29 |
| zookie | mmm holux m1200 | 01:29 |
| Blafasel | So - no? | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke. | 01:29 |
| Blafasel | Really, I don't know it. | 01:29 |
| LastLemming | m1200 it's the next one? | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5+ minute cold-starts for a lot of people. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, Holux M1200 is a Bluetooth GPS. | 01:30 |
| LastLemming | ah ok | 01:30 |
| Blafasel | Hm? Live test.. ;-) | 01:30 |
| zookie | and works | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | "for a lot of people" | 01:30 |
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| zookie | welll except for GeneralAntilles | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was quoting my self in response to Blafasel. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | My i-blue 737 is absolutely fantastic. | 01:31 |
| LastLemming | GeneralAntilles, are you from Antilles islands? | 01:31 |
| Blafasel | *shrug* Either it's a device thing (for most/all people) or a regional/receiver thing. I never used it til today, my car has its own gps/nav anyway. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Incredibly accurate, great battery life, fast acquisition. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, it's a Star Wars thing. | 01:31 |
| LastLemming | oh | 01:31 |
| Blafasel | But just for fun I'll start the maps app right now here in my flat. No idea if it gets a lock at all.. | 01:31 |
| zookie | most likely | 01:32 |
| zookie | not | 01:32 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. No idea, really. | 01:32 |
| Blafasel | Running, searching for sats. | 01:32 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Seems like this experiment support the poor performance ;) | 01:34 |
| Blafasel | No lock yet, no useable results. Fascinating. | 01:34 |
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| tekonivel | Blafasel: demo fx | 01:35 |
| zookie | build your own sattelites! | 01:35 |
| Blafasel | Hm? | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, like I said, the N810's GPS is a bit of a joke. | 01:36 |
| MagicFab_ | Hi all | 01:37 |
| MagicFab_ | How can I reset my N810 ssh password ? | 01:37 |
| zookie | yo MagicFab_ | 01:37 |
| MagicFab_ | I am afraid I was a bit too fast in setting it up when I Installed the package. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, install becomeroot, the do: sudo gainroot | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | passwd from there. | 01:38 |
| tekonivel | MagicFab_: i was about to suggest to become root and run passwd... I guess out of the question :/ | 01:39 |
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| MagicFab_ | ok, the usual. | 01:39 |
| spirytusick | all: is there a way of enabling red pill mode from the commandline ? | 01:39 |
| MagicFab_ | Another quickie.. where can I find the Pidgin data ? It's usually on ~/.purple on a desktop account | 01:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | spirytusick, does red-pill do anything from the command line? | 01:40 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: I have no idea, but I suppose it should... | 01:41 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: or perhaps it might just be the feature of the package manager | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's kinda what I was figuring, but I'm not sure. | 01:42 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: and you probably are right... | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | You may not be able to force certain packages like you can in red-pill. | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't done any direct testing there. | 01:42 |
| spirytusick | ne neither but I think I will | 01:42 |
| MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, tekonivel - I am in :) tx. | 01:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sure. | 01:42 |
| spirytusick | with the mess with some of the packages having fixed dependencies it is a pain sometimes | 01:43 |
| zookie | packages suck | 01:43 |
| matmo_ | could anyone using the vmware appliance check a couple of things for me? I would like to know the amount of free disk space, the space taken up by the /scratchbox dir and if you have a duplicate ¨scratchbox" dir in /scratchbox/users/maemo? | 01:44 |
| matmo_ | (by duplicate I mean same inode as /scratchbox) | 01:44 |
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| MagicFab_ | What would be a good text editor for a "nano, non-vi" person like me ? | 01:50 |
| czr | nano? :-) | 01:50 |
| MagicFab_ | :D | 01:51 |
| tekonivel | MagicFab_: what's wrong with vi??? :) | 01:51 |
| LastLemming | vim | 01:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:51 |
| tekonivel | MagicFab_: ex | 01:51 |
| czr | ed! | 01:51 |
| zookie | root sux | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | MagicFab_, just learn it, you'll be happy once you do. :P | 01:51 |
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| MagicFab_ | GeneralAntilles, I thought you knew about this stuff | 01:53 |
| LastLemming | big chance OMAP3 for next nokia? | 01:53 |
| zookie | mmm stuf | 01:53 |
| zookie | +f | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, it's mostly logical deduction. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no chance of them moving to x86 | 01:53 |
| tekonivel | I don't even know which editors are readdily available in maemp | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there aren't really any other ARM platforms for them to move to. | 01:53 |
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| LastLemming | n800 and n810 it's same one | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | They can't possibly get away with releasing another one on OMAP2. | 01:54 |
| LastLemming | and big diff | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it pretty much has to be OMAP3 | 01:54 |
| LastLemming | no big diff | 01:54 |
| tekonivel | How about crusoe? | 01:54 |
| LastLemming | with OMAP3 it will be a big diff so? | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Specifically the OMAP3430 | 01:55 |
| LastLemming | it will like the jump 770 to 800 | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bigger | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? No more 3rd-party LCD controllers. :D | 01:55 |
| pupnik | bingo | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which almost certainly means hardware video-decoding and OpenGL acceleration. | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (makes me giddy just thinking about it) | 01:56 |
| LastLemming | so I should wait, and keep enough money for the next one :) | 01:56 |
| tekonivel | And video out, plskthx | 01:56 |
| MagicFab_ | Interesting. Searching for "n810 nano" turned up this: | 01:57 |
| MagicFab_ | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=213 | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | LastLemming, if you can get an N800 on-the-cheap | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would do so. | 01:57 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: Why do you think they decided not to use opengl and video acc with n8x0 ? | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't a decision. | 01:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It was a necessity. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least as far as I can guess. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware is limiting it. | 01:57 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: power wise ? | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3rd-party LCD controller. | 01:57 |
| spirytusick | well, pitty but we'll have to live with it | 01:58 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: so basically, the lcd controller is not compatibile with the gen acc ? | 01:59 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: strange though that the os2007 had at least partial acceleration for the video | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it didn't. | 01:59 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: os2008 has much smaller selection of dsp tasks | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's mostly a bandwidth issue to the LCD controller. | 02:00 |
| spirytusick | slow fb | 02:01 |
| tekonivel | I fail to understand why os2008 is not downward compatible | 02:01 |
| * zookie panics | 02:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really simple, tekonivel, GTK break. ;) | 02:02 |
| zookie | tekonivel, because nokia doesn't care? just a guess :/ | 02:02 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: one think I do not understand, is why the n800 is capable of playing a video in full screen (resized but nevertheless) at 25 or 30fps and this is not a bandwidth limitation ? | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because the pixel doubling is done by the controller. | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | zookie, what are you on about? | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | GTK 2.6 isn't compatible with GTK 2.10 | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2007 is 2.6, OS2008 is 2.10 | 02:03 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: I know that, but why not do the same to accelerated video and relieve the cpu to do other things ? | 02:03 |
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| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: the same could have been done with opengl... | 02:04 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: aha i seel it's not maemo related... Other distros break too? | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the PowerVR, I'm betting Nokia figured it was better not to pay for the drivers than get sub-par performance. | 02:04 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: for a hacking device they should have provided at least abiity to try things | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Video acceleration might be a pipeline issue with the hardware | 02:04 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: they already did pay for the drivers, most likely anyway | 02:04 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: i find this hsrd to swallow | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I'm not familiar enough with it to speak directly. | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | spirytusick, drivers cost money. | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia is not a charity. | 02:05 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: all on newer n series phones have drivers | 02:05 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: besides, they are partly funding openvr | 02:05 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: gnu is :) | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symbian ≠ Linux | 02:05 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: That is true, but I do not thinks that the money is the problem | 02:06 |
| Tama^2 | I think anyone can download the powervr SDK | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, doesn't help. | 02:06 |
| zookie | GeneralAntilles, software delivered to the enduser usuallly is ok for 70% of users | 02:06 |
| spirytusick | Tama^2: yep, but it is useless without the drivers | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need the binary blob part to make it work. | 02:06 |
| Tama^2 | I see | 02:06 |
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| tekonivel | Evil, proprietary hardware... | 02:08 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't be suprised it the arm cores n8x0 are using have disabled the povervr section | 02:08 |
| spirytusick | anyways guys, have a good night... | 02:10 |
| spirytusick | time to catch up with sleep... | 02:10 |
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| maddler | hi all | 02:24 |
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| johnx | hi | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you solved all the tablet-word's troubles with Debian yet, johnx. :P | 02:24 |
| johnx | well, bluetooth works :P | 02:25 |
| johnx | working on buttons | 02:25 |
| johnx | and epiphany-webkit looks like a really impressive project | 02:26 |
| tekonivel | X11 clients can receive virtualkbd events? | 02:27 |
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| johnx | tekonivel, is that a question for me? you mean when they're running in xomap on debian/n800? | 02:28 |
| tekonivel | johnx: not to you particularly, but i failed to command my remote emacs over x11 in history | 02:29 |
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| johnx | I don't know enough about X11 to know what that means exactly | 02:30 |
| tekonivel | johnx: ok mate | 02:31 |
| johnx | and I'm having problems even with the onscreen keyboard in debian | 02:31 |
| tekonivel | johnx: hehe, your asking for trouble | 02:31 |
| johnx | how so? | 02:32 |
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| tekonivel | johnx: os2008->debian change isn't really supported ;) | 02:33 |
| johnx | oh, I know | 02:33 |
| johnx | but I've got lots of stuff working already :) | 02:33 |
| tekonivel | johnx: nice | 02:33 |
| johnx | the rest shouldn't be impossible, just hard :P | 02:33 |
| tekonivel | johnx: challenges keeps you sharp | 02:34 |
| johnx | works so far: wifi w/ wpa, bluetooth, touchscreen, x11, and can access on-board nand and sd card | 02:34 |
| johnx | and usb networking | 02:34 |
| johnx | buttons are next on the todo list | 02:35 |
| tekonivel | johnx: tell me about your gui setup pls | 02:35 |
| johnx | tekonivel, it's just matchbox | 02:35 |
| tekonivel | johnx: which wm f.ex. | 02:35 |
| tekonivel | johnx: i see, i see | 02:36 |
| johnx | I'm not really *using* the N800 right now | 02:36 |
| johnx | I'm mostly SSHed in hacking on stuff | 02:36 |
| johnx | eventually I'd like to have as much of the maemo interface back as is feasible | 02:36 |
| tekonivel | johnx: right | 02:36 |
| tekonivel | johnx: whats your motive, just haxooring? | 02:37 |
| johnx | a fully working alternative distribution with thousands of packages available :) | 02:37 |
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| tekonivel | johnx: <3 i love you | 02:38 |
| johnx | I can't do it all on my own of course :) | 02:38 |
| johnx | right now I want to get enough working that I can convince people to install it and help me | 02:38 |
| Tama^2 | *rose petals shower down on the channel* | 02:38 |
| pupnik | buttons are just function keys | 02:39 |
| Tama^2 | looooove is in the air xD | 02:39 |
| johnx | hahahaha | 02:39 |
| tekonivel | Tama^2: lol | 02:39 |
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| johnx | pupnik, for whatever reason they don't get mapped to anything in xomap on debian | 02:40 |
| johnx | xev gives me nothing | 02:40 |
| pupnik | oh hrm | 02:40 |
| johnx | buy showkey tells me they generate codes | 02:40 |
| johnx | I think it might be a hal thing | 02:40 |
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| pupnik | i have to debug some keybd problems here too | 02:41 |
| pupnik | unless someone else wants to fix dosbox keys | 02:41 |
| ds3 | is the dosbox in the repository suppose to work? | 02:42 |
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| whooha | what's a good media player for the n800 | 02:43 |
| whooha | i tried media center, canola, and kagu | 02:43 |
| tekonivel | whooha: pls define "media" | 02:43 |
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| whooha | music/movies/images | 02:43 |
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| johnx | whooha, tried ukmp? | 02:44 |
| whooha | something that reads smb shares too would be fantastic | 02:44 |
| whooha | like xbmc | 02:44 |
| whooha | haven't tried ukmp | 02:44 |
| tekonivel | whooha: i use quiver+mplayer and native music player | 02:44 |
| whooha | i like having all the album covers and stuff, i think it looks nice | 02:44 |
| whooha | k, installing ukmp | 02:45 |
| tekonivel | whooha: i seldom listen to music on n800 | 02:45 |
| whooha | oh, i plan on using this for music/movies too | 02:46 |
| tekonivel | I use my n95 | 02:47 |
| whooha | also, i upgraded to the latest os2008 from nokia's site last night and now i can't get fm radio out of the speakers on headphoens | 02:47 |
| whooha | says can't switch audio out or something | 02:47 |
| tekonivel | whooha: but i do watch videos, and mplayer i good for now | 02:47 |
| whooha | yeah i use mplayer in linux | 02:47 |
| whooha | mplayer is good | 02:47 |
| whooha | plays * | 02:48 |
| tekonivel | whooha: t, t | 02:48 |
| whooha | t, t? | 02:48 |
| tekonivel | whooha: waiting for vlc | 02:48 |
| tekonivel | T=true | 02:48 |
| whooha | ahh | 02:48 |
| whooha | yeah vlc on the n800 would be nice | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody seem to think VLC is gonna be better than mplayer? | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer has 2 years of heavy optimization behind it. | 02:49 |
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| dorkybot | whooha: saw something about issues with wxGTK which vlc uses for the gui | 02:50 |
| johnx | either way, they can try it for themselves: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14126&highlight=vlc | 02:50 |
| jacques-work | heh, every time I buy into the hype about VLC I find out it doesn't work for me | 02:50 |
| tekonivel | whooha: there have been betas | 02:50 |
| dorkybot | vlc is great on many distros | 02:50 |
| pupnik | how nice that the mplayer vs vlc camps aren't violent | 02:51 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: just that i use vlc on desktop too | 02:51 |
| whooha | also anyone know of a smb/cifs mounter | 02:51 |
| whooha | automounter | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer and VLC on the desktop are virtually identical performance wise. | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | VLC on the tablets is a hack | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | with no optimization | 02:51 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: but much respect to mplayer of course | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer has tons and tons of tablet-specific optimization. | 02:52 |
| jacques-work | including arm-specific optimizations | 02:52 |
| pupnik | it's the most advanced user-space app on the tablet in that regard | 02:52 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows, what is the latest fw of n810 called? | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 02:53 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, actually a lot of those optimizations *are* factored out into ffmpeg | 02:53 |
| tekonivel | On a handheld tjhe U must be troublefree... MediaBox, canola or somesuch | 02:54 |
| |tbb| | thx | 02:54 |
| johnx | VLC could use them too, if they used maemo-mplayer's version of ffmpeg | 02:54 |
| tekonivel | s/U/UI/ | 02:55 |
| infobot | tekonivel meant: On a handheld tjhe UI must be troublefree... MediaBox, canola or somesuch | 02:55 |
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| whooha | i like mediabox the best so far | 03:16 |
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| |tbb| | how can i access the values under this path /apps/osso/inputmethod/hildon-im-languages/da_DK: with gconftool-2 ? | 03:22 |
| |tbb| | the ":" is a problem | 03:23 |
| |tbb| | but \: wont help | 03:23 |
| Gary | simple question - is xchat ported to the N810? | 03:23 |
| Gary | oh and is it easy to use on such a device? | 03:24 |
| |tbb| | oh my fault the : doesnt stays in the path | 03:26 |
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| johnx | Gary, it looks like there's at least a beta of xchat...it's theoretically on the xchat.org forums but I can't connect to them right now (?) | 03:29 |
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| johnx | hmm | 03:29 |
| johnx | or maybe not | 03:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 03:29 |
| Gary | ooow, cool | 03:30 |
| Gary | anyone tried it? | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes? :P | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works great. | 03:30 |
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| Gary | excellent, as easy to connect as on linux? (ie connecting with many on join options) | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 03:32 |
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| Gary | great, looks like i'll be buying a n810 soon then | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | xchat is really nice on the n810 | 03:34 |
| Gary | GeneralAntilles, erm, can I get python scripts working too? (google chanserv.py for the script I mean) | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm assuming so. | 03:34 |
| Gary | thank you for your help | 03:35 |
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| acydlord | i hate nokia right now | 03:40 |
| acydlord | when i left for work thismorning there were still n810s in stock, so i deposited my paycheck today, get home, and they are out of stock | 03:41 |
| johnx | there are a lot of things that I am mad at Nokia for, but "their products sell too quickly" is a new one to me | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:42 |
| johnx | s/a lot/a couple/g | 03:42 |
| infobot | johnx meant: there are a couple of things that I am mad at Nokia for, but "their products sell too quickly" is a new one to me | 03:43 |
| johnx | wow, infobot, you are not too quick on the draw this morning :/ | 03:43 |
| acydlord | i think they only put like 3 in the store at a time | 03:43 |
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| Gary | i'll have to order it online | 03:44 |
| acydlord | thats how i was trying to order mine | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | acydlord, if you really need one, there's always ebay. | 03:45 |
| acydlord | ebay doesnt support my discount | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | backorder it, then? | 03:45 |
| acydlord | they don't support backordering | 03:46 |
| LastLemming | what it's a still good price for n800 on ebay? | 03:46 |
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| LastLemming | 150-170€? | 03:47 |
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| dorkybot | $439 | 03:48 |
| LastLemming | ? | 03:48 |
| dorkybot | oh sorry that's n810 | 03:48 |
| dorkybot | saw n800 about 2 something | 03:49 |
| acydlord | yeah, one of my friends just got an n800 new for 200 | 03:49 |
| dorkybot | not bad, "but it now" is 230-270 | 03:50 |
| dorkybot | buy it now" | 03:50 |
| dorkybot | wish the n800 had the 810 keyboard but kept the 2 sd slots | 03:51 |
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| johnx | dorkybot, almost everyone does :) | 03:51 |
| dorkybot | wasted most of today hunting for mini and micro sd's | 03:52 |
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| Solarion | n810 does both, right? | 03:53 |
| dorkybot | micro in a mini converter | 03:53 |
| dorkybot | or a mini | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, not me. :P | 03:53 |
| Solarion | so the micro has to have a mini converter, or the n810 has a converter? | 03:53 |
| dorkybot | you need to get the converter to use a micro | 03:54 |
| johnx | so you like having less storage in a harder to find format? | 03:54 |
| dorkybot | mini's seem to be phasing out | 03:54 |
| dorkybot | in favor of micro | 03:54 |
| Solarion | newegg has mini with SD converter. | 03:54 |
| Solarion | fully tasty | 03:54 |
| Solarion | at least, in theory; I've no n810 yet | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, the keyboard with the crappy d-pad positioning. | 03:55 |
| johnx | ah | 03:55 |
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| dorkybot | i resolved to wait until the $19 4gb mini comes back in stock at newegg, then get a 12gb sandisk when they come out in a few months | 03:55 |
| johnx | meanwhile I could use a whole pile of 4 or 8GB SDHC cards | 03:56 |
| johnx | a kernel update for the Zaurus added SDHC support so now I can finally standardize on one format :) | 03:57 |
| EnigmaCurry | Anyone know of a cron daemon for maemo platform? I found a reference to http://www.anomaly-music.com/cron/ but it's dead.. | 03:58 |
| dorkybot | geez, how many gadgets you got? | 03:58 |
| johnx | dorkybot, I collect Linux handhelds :) | 03:58 |
| dorkybot | a worthy pursuit | 03:58 |
| johnx | dorkybot, zaurus 5500, zaurus c1000, n800 | 03:58 |
| johnx | actually the zaurus 5500 will only support normal SD I think | 03:58 |
| dorkybot | try hacking linux onto an ipaq for fun :) | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | i had debian on the Psion netbook | 03:59 |
| johnx | dorkybot, nah. I like having a keyboard | 03:59 |
| johnx | pupnik, that must have been awesome | 03:59 |
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| dorkybot | 4300 had kb | 03:59 |
| johnx | EnigmaCurry, I compiled it in mud-builder | 03:59 |
| johnx | let me find a link | 03:59 |
| pupnik | johnx: well it was sufficient. ssh, vnc | 04:00 |
| johnx | pupnik, which netbook was it | 04:00 |
| johnx | I look at those every so often and really want one :) | 04:00 |
| pupnik | regular netbook, 32MB | 04:00 |
| johnx | yeah, 32MB is kind of limiting | 04:01 |
| pupnik | yes, and the screen sucks | 04:01 |
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| EnigmaCurry | johnx: I'd appreciate it :) | 04:01 |
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| dorkybot | how about jkk's mods for evdo and bluetooth in the eeePC and tether it to an IT | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why not just use a data-capable phone? | 04:03 |
| dorkybot | walk around with eee as a high power server and the it as a thin client with ssh and vnc | 04:03 |
| johnx | dorkybot, don't encourage me ... :| | 04:03 |
| dorkybot | the eee would have more storage and lots of linuxy apps to play with | 04:03 |
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| dorkybot | i'm gonna do that with my evdo vaio | 04:04 |
| johnx | but really I always wanted to build a portable data tank out of a gumstix board attached to a 9cell laptop battery | 04:04 |
| johnx | EnigmaCurry, ... I guess I never posted a pre-compiled .deb of it. Do you have scratchbox? | 04:05 |
| EnigmaCurry | No, but it's the beginning of the weekend. Looks like I've got a project :) | 04:05 |
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| dorkybot | this nokia thing is gonna pull me away from gentoo back to debian | 04:07 |
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| ds3 | johnx: what rom is the SDHC mod for on the Z? | 04:22 |
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| johnx | reports of success seem to be coming from people using a late release of the angstrom kernel (either with angstrom or debian) | 04:23 |
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| ds3 | that's all 2.6 stuff, IIRC | 04:23 |
| ds3 | i prefer Cacko for the time being | 04:23 |
| johnx | fair enough...I just got epiphany-webkit installed on debian/zaurus and it would be hard for me to give it up now :) | 04:24 |
| ds3 | heh | 04:24 |
| ds3 | does the Hancom stuff still work in Angstrom? | 04:25 |
| ds3 | they are quite usable as a WP and SS | 04:25 |
| johnx | angstrom is all X11/GPE now | 04:25 |
| ds3 | didn't know they dropped OPIE | 04:25 |
| johnx | abiword works nicely, and I think gnumeric does too | 04:25 |
| johnx | ds3, opie development slowed down for a while (read: stopped) | 04:26 |
| ds3 | Gnumeric was irritating when I tried it on the N800 | 04:26 |
| johnx | I never tried it on any handheld | 04:26 |
| ds3 | johnx: I only followed it when i was actually tried to use the collie so it has been a while | 04:26 |
| johnx | but some new people picked up opie development | 04:26 |
| ds3 | I found I actually liked the Hancom stuff when i used it on a trip | 04:27 |
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| johnx | so it's a choice for newer angstrom images ... but I don't think they still support backwards compatibility with old sharprom stuff | 04:27 |
| ds3 | sigh | 04:27 |
| johnx | abiword is really good on the zaurus actually. runs fast enough and it's easy to get the text zoomed enough to see | 04:28 |
| ds3 | wonder if there is anyone trying to put in an emulation layer on Maemo so we can run Z ipk binaries | 04:28 |
| ds3 | johnx: does it do file format conversions? | 04:29 |
| johnx | yeah, I think | 04:29 |
| johnx | throw me a .doc you want me to try :) | 04:29 |
| ds3 | don't think I have one handy.... it is mostly for the times when irritating suits insist on sending you a .doc file | 04:29 |
| johnx | for me that usually results in a quick handoff to google docs to make it come back as something workable | 04:30 |
| pupnik | i hate .docs | 04:30 |
| johnx | actually I think I have one to test | 04:30 |
| dorkybot | this control freak company would have a fit if i sent their stuff to ggogle | 04:31 |
| johnx | understandable for internal stuff I guess | 04:31 |
| ds3 | i like to keep private documents private, no google | 04:32 |
| johnx | but if I receive a .doc these days it already ended up in my gmail account anyways | 04:32 |
| dorkybot | banks get touchy | 04:32 |
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| ds3 | how much memory is consumed using X then with Qt/Opie? | 04:34 |
| johnx | not booted into angstrom right now. I'm in debian. | 04:35 |
| johnx | that wouldn't be a really fair comparison :) | 04:35 |
| ds3 | moving to X11 on the Z really feels like one of those 'if it ain't broq, don't mess with it' thing | 04:35 |
| johnx | it depends on your point of view | 04:36 |
| johnx | if you're not interested in new software and are happy with stuff that's already out then Qt/E is fine | 04:37 |
| johnx | but development of new software for Qt/E is pretty much non-existent | 04:37 |
| johnx | with an X server you get lots of things for "free" | 04:38 |
| ds3 | I can't think of good things I would get for free other then more memory sinks | 04:38 |
| johnx | by the way, I'm using the same X server as angstrom in debian (Xfbdev) | 04:38 |
| johnx | it wants 7.3% of 64MB | 04:38 |
| ds3 | which Z is this? | 04:39 |
| johnx | c1000 | 04:39 |
| johnx | 4.48MB is a worthwhile price to pay for access to tons of apps | 04:39 |
| ds3 | that's with microdrive on a PXA270, right? | 04:39 |
| johnx | no microdrive, yes pxa270 | 04:39 |
| dorkybot | isn't the goal to gain access to 30,000 apps? | 04:39 |
| dorkybot | we'll have endless fun porting them | 04:40 |
| ds3 | I think having 2 VTs or Qt/VNC type gateway to X is sufficient, IMO | 04:40 |
| johnx | ds3, your choice | 04:40 |
| johnx | dorkybot, debian already has ported them to armel | 04:40 |
| ds3 | *nod* there are just so many tempting things in 2.6 :? | 04:40 |
| ds3 | :/ | 04:40 |
| johnx | dorkybot, also I have grand schemes involving hildon :) | 04:41 |
| ds3 | better SDIO support, real support for the SiS2VGA thing, etc | 04:41 |
| dorkybot | still need touchscreen gui goodness | 04:41 |
| johnx | ds3, which zaurus do/did you have? | 04:41 |
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| johnx | EnigmaCurry, did you get my message? | 04:44 |
| ds3 | johnx: C3200 | 04:45 |
| johnx | nice | 04:45 |
| ds3 | johnx: used to have a collie a while ago | 04:45 |
| johnx | I really wish I had an internal cf slot in my c1000 | 04:45 |
| ds3 | the C3200 is inline to be a traveling laptop type app | 04:46 |
| ds3 | is it not there or just not exposed? | 04:46 |
| johnx | ds3, no socket, no controller :( | 04:46 |
| ds3 | controller? the PXA270 supports 2 slots | 04:46 |
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| johnx | some critical chip is missing from what I understand | 04:47 |
| ds3 | oh | 04:47 |
| johnx | I really liked the collie form factor | 04:47 |
| ds3 | i miss having a real serial port like on the collie | 04:47 |
| ds3 | no current device has one AFAIK | 04:47 |
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| johnx | sounds right. | 04:49 |
| johnx | usb-to-serial should work fine on a cxx00 | 04:49 |
| ds3 | it isn't the same | 04:50 |
| ds3 | usb to serial has little quirks | 04:50 |
| johnx | yeah | 04:50 |
| johnx | you want it for getting a console on routers, switches, etc I assume? | 04:51 |
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| ds3 | yep | 04:52 |
| johnx | I should look into uboot again on the zaurus I guess | 04:55 |
| ds3 | heh | 04:55 |
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| ds3 | as long as it is an english uboot | 04:55 |
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| johnx | so it looks like dsme handles battery charging? | 05:16 |
| johnx | this will make things much more interesting :| | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:16 |
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| johnx | the best part is that it's closed source | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should get the Scientology guys to go raid Nokia for the sources. | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why they keep some of the crap they do closed source, I'll never guess. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like they had a lottery. | 05:17 |
| johnx | probably NDAs or something | 05:17 |
| johnx | I just expected since that since charging was working it was part of the kernel ... like on any sane Linux system | 05:18 |
| * johnx bangs his head on the table | 05:18 | |
| johnx | maybe they *really, really* don't want anyone running another distro | 05:19 |
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| pupnik | Apple Iphone is closed source | 05:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, your point? :P | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's "iPhone" :P | 05:21 |
| pupnik | i'm too tired to have a point. i'm obtuse | 05:21 |
| johnx | ah, well maybe I'll see how feasible it is to setup a wrapper around dsme that can be adapted :/ | 05:23 |
| pupnik | you got wifi working johnx ? | 05:23 |
| johnx | yeah | 05:23 |
| johnx | works great | 05:23 |
| johnx | wpasupplicant, kismet, everything :D | 05:23 |
| pupnik | does the driver ha | 05:24 |
| pupnik | ah | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | 770 or 800? | 05:24 |
| johnx | 800 | 05:24 |
| johnx | ask b0unc3 about the 770 or search the logs | 05:24 |
| pupnik | wondeirng if the module could be used to help maemo wifi | 05:24 |
| johnx | it's the same module | 05:24 |
| pupnik | k | 05:24 |
| johnx | I'm using Nokia's kernel | 05:24 |
| johnx | there's one patch to enable wireless extension 18+ that lets wpa-supplicant work | 05:25 |
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| pupnik | since you're using same kernel, maybe dual-boot is doable | 05:26 |
| johnx | I am dual booting | 05:26 |
| johnx | that's one of the goals | 05:26 |
| johnx | one of the requirements really | 05:26 |
| pupnik | great. looking forward to a torrent | 05:26 |
| johnx | there's a direct download from two very fast servers | 05:26 |
| pupnik | even better :) | 05:27 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 05:27 |
| johnx | and here's the link to the wireless driver patch: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html | 05:28 |
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| * pupnik tries final fantasy 7 on n810 | 05:32 | |
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| pupnik | haha there's an appropriate join | 05:32 |
| pupnik | slow-motion | 05:32 |
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| johnx | anyone know if /sys/class/firmware/timeout does what I think it does? | 05:34 |
| johnx | ie: adjust the watchdog timeout? | 05:35 |
| johnx | heh...backlight control is stupidly easy | 05:36 |
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| johnx | at least dsme won't interfere there | 05:37 |
| oil | good morning | 05:39 |
| johnx | mornin' | 05:39 |
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| fysa | pupnik: ff7 at 3spf? | 05:42 |
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| johnx | well suspend works too :D | 05:45 |
| johnx | seems reliable and quick too! | 05:46 |
| johnx | haha | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx is gonna take over the world with his Debian N800. | 05:48 |
| johnx | darn right! | 05:49 |
| johnx | well crap...I think the watchdog doesn't like suspend | 05:50 |
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| jz87 | Does gtkmozembed that ship with os2008 support mathml? | 05:55 |
| jz87 | it seems to not be able to parse pages with mathml embedded correctly | 05:56 |
| pupnik | fysa: hey man, you just gotta slow yo mind down by 30x and then it seems fast | 05:57 |
| fysa | I've got that. | 06:12 |
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| lcuk | there is something really strange happening with 810 i have internet set to always ask, last night i manually closed all programs and disconnected. now this morning it is connected again. is there a way to log what migght be causing connection? | 08:14 |
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| oil | lcuk: google talk or some cron job? | 08:16 |
| lcuk | no im configured, cron not installed | 08:17 |
| Tama^2 | it's really strange | 08:17 |
| lcuk | no email setup | 08:17 |
| lcuk | its only got power because i am charging, i think i need to monitor packets from desktop end | 08:18 |
| zoran | ps? | 08:19 |
| lcuk | i made sure i disabled automatic check interval as well. whats ps? | 08:20 |
| zoran | lol | 08:20 |
| zoran | just type it | 08:20 |
| lcuk | mot here i take it | 08:20 |
| lcuk | right in the shell... ok, whichever app is there its getting past my setting of always ask. that means something bad ishappening | 08:23 |
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| zoran | lcuk, try to find the very one, that stays alive and calls mother earth | 08:24 |
| zoran | ps is utility to list all running processes | 08:24 |
| lcuk | i just did the ps list, but its not really helpful since im looking for a needle in haystack. i have only installed xchat as additional network aware program no addittional media playersalive to scan etc | 08:27 |
| zoran | have you seen some known app runnig there? | 08:27 |
| zoran | if yes, kill -9 proc_number | 08:28 |
| oil | additional network aware program? | 08:28 |
| zoran | shutdown -r now | 08:28 |
| zoran | if survive that, it must be something in boot list | 08:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, just let it idle overnight. :P | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not that battery-expensive. | 08:29 |
| lcuk | of course theres lots of normal programs, but what i need to see is which is breaking through osso config of "always ask user" connect automatically is set | 08:29 |
| zoran | what's in "sudoers"? | 08:30 |
| lcuk | no gen, this is what drains battery. | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaving it connected, or letting it search? :P | 08:30 |
| whooha | how do I get the big onscreen kb to come up on the n800 | 08:30 |
| whooha | can i make that the default | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | center d-pad, whooha. | 08:30 |
| lcuk | dunno how do i find out | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the wifi powersaving is really good. | 08:30 |
| zoran | shutdown -h now and wait | 08:30 |
| lcuk | no search interal "never" | 08:31 |
| zoran | lcuk, you just _have_ to find daemon | 08:31 |
| lcuk | this is like windows dialup managing to get past username dialog and its fucked... | 08:32 |
| zoran | if asks, not in sudo fine | 08:32 |
| zoran | *file | 08:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | My bet is that the next upgrade will solve it. | 08:32 |
| zoran | GA, would be fine to know now :) | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a thread or three on ITT about it. | 08:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't bothered to pay any attention to them, though. | 08:33 |
| zoran | teh site with blondes on the beatch? | 08:33 |
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| lcuk | so an app listed in sudoer would beableto bypass the ask for connection? what would happen if i had it setup to use my phone and expensive data as connect? | 08:34 |
| zoran | yes to first | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't connect, does it? | 08:35 |
| lcuk | how do i list sudoers | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should just bring up the search box. | 08:35 |
| zoran | read it | 08:35 |
| lcuk | ys but i only have 1 connection configured i rfemovedc phone | 08:35 |
| zoran | less /etc/sudoers | 08:36 |
| lcuk | grrr getiin on big box ... | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If something requests a network connection, it'll just bring up the wifi search box. | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont connect without user intervention. | 08:36 |
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| zoran | I dislike that behaveour | 08:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, it wont use your cellular data. | 08:36 |
| lcuk_2 | right, ill ssh into box from here, its easier to type | 08:37 |
| * zoran gone to feed dragons | 08:37 | |
| lcuk_2 | sometime last night without any user interaction the connection came alive. i 100% disconnected it and closed all visible apps | 08:37 |
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| lcuk_2 | less not found, i can just open in editor cant i | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | or cat | 08:39 |
| lcuk_2 | does anyone have a default sudoers list from base flash so i can compare? | 08:42 |
| lcuk_2 | and even so, even a root app should not get through the connect dialog without intervention. that just screams as bad design? | 08:44 |
| lcuk_2 | i think im gonna put my packet monitor on the windows desktop end and see whats coming over and go back to bed for a bit | 08:47 |
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| k383 | Hi | 08:49 |
| lcuk_2 | back later guys, im gonna manualy disconnect again | 08:50 |
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| k383 | Is there a way to manually change the CPU speed (without using an sdl program or playing a video) in OS2008 ? | 08:52 |
| k383 | I recompiled x48, it works, but it's really slow at the default speed... | 08:52 |
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| fysa | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=66 | 09:09 |
| fysa | could help explain why OS2008 feels 'slower' | 09:12 |
| k383 | thanks | 09:13 |
| k383 | Finally, I found the way to force overlocking | 09:13 |
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| k383 | In a console : echo userspace > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq && echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq | 09:15 |
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| k383 | to return to "normal" mode, echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 165000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq | 09:18 |
| fysa | nice! | 09:19 |
| fysa | can you force a slower speed? | 09:19 |
| k383 | I think no, because /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies only lists "165000 266000 330000 400000", 165000 is the slowest | 09:20 |
| k383 | ... but x48 is really slow too with 400Mhz... | 09:25 |
| pupnik_ | x48 is a calculator emulator? | 09:26 |
| fysa | i would like to have a script monitor that data while the device sleeps to figure out how much email/rss kill battery. | 09:27 |
| pupnik_ | and there's no proc entry to show current freq? | 09:28 |
| anders_ | Is there som paint app for os2008? | 09:32 |
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| Xxaxx | F6 is Fullscreen ? | 09:33 |
| pupnik_ | i think so | 09:35 |
| k383 | x48 is an HP48 emulator | 09:36 |
| k383 | (sorry...) | 09:38 |
| k383 | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq shows you the current freq in kHz I think | 09:38 |
| johnx | pupnik_, cpuinfo | 09:38 |
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| k383 | I have to go | 09:39 |
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| Xxaxx | can I download hildon and matchbox sources ? | 10:05 |
| proteous | the first real programming I did was on my HP48GX | 10:05 |
| proteous | fun times | 10:05 |
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| Luria | where are psks stored? | 10:31 |
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| eichi_ | do you all use OS2008 right now? are there much advanteges to os2007 ? | 10:50 |
| kulve | playbin in gstreamer, sip, higher MHz, better GPS support, | 10:52 |
| kulve | and I think most developers are using it, so I think most of the new software comes mainly for 2008 | 10:52 |
| eichi_ | okay, there is a stabil version right now, isn't it? | 10:53 |
| eichi_ | whats very important for me..the ogg support..was on n800 with os2007 not the best. mp3s runs out of the box, ogg doenst. i was screaming the first days... | 10:54 |
| kulve | ogg-support works better on 2008 | 10:55 |
| kulve | even the built-in Media Player plays oggs somehow now | 10:55 |
| eichi_ | okay, that sounds nice | 10:55 |
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| kulve | I'm the author of it, and I'm not testing on 2007 anymore.. | 10:56 |
| kulve | and the 2008 seems pretty stable to me | 10:56 |
| eichi_ | and maemo mapper works too? i use it helping the openstreetmap projekt, nearly every day. is very important | 10:56 |
| kulve | I haven't tested the maemo mapper on 2008. I need that kind of application so little, that when I need it, I use the Map, that comes with the device | 10:57 |
| kulve | i.e. the Navicore's (Waypoint's) free version of the Map | 10:58 |
| kulve | s,Waypoint,Wayfinder, | 10:58 |
| eichi_ | i dont know this | 10:58 |
| kulve | http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/NewsEvents/news/fi_FI/n810_announce/ | 10:59 |
| keesj | I wonder if using maemo-mapper or Waypoint is legal when doing openstreemap stuff | 10:59 |
| keesj | maemo-mapper with google maps that is :p | 10:59 |
| kulve | keesj: I'm pretty sure that using google's maps is illegal | 11:00 |
| kulve | eichi_: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/01/24/ogg-support-issues/ | 11:00 |
| eichi_ | me too. using openstreetmap with maemo mapper is much more nerdy ;) and you can make it more popular too, dont use evil google maps.. | 11:01 |
| kulve | eichi_: there's a list of issues with the ogg-support on 2008. Although I already filed a new bug report about buggy meta infos.. | 11:01 |
| kulve | eichi_: but you get the maps legally with the Map | 11:01 |
| kulve | for free | 11:02 |
| kulve | and for the Map, not for maemo mapper | 11:02 |
| kulve | but before switching to 2008, see that the important apps for you are ported to it. Not nearly all are.. | 11:02 |
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| eichi_ | i know, but important for me is browser, pidgin, maemo mapper, calculator, maybe kagu with ogg... | 11:05 |
| eichi_ | scummvm maybe | 11:05 |
| eichi_ | there is no "cant life without" app ;) | 11:06 |
| eichi_ | now last question: where can i get os2008 | 11:07 |
| kulve | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:08 |
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| eichi_ | im right, os2008 isnt under gpl? | 11:09 |
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| kulve | it has lots of components under (l)gpl licenses and lots of closed components | 11:10 |
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| eichi_ | hm okay | 11:14 |
| eichi_ | i hope one day it will changed ;) but i think so | 11:14 |
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| kulve | there will always be closed components in Nokia's products.. :/ | 11:16 |
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| eichi_ | okay, then i have to wait for more like openmoko | 11:17 |
| eichi_ | but the n8xx seems one of the best at the moment | 11:18 |
| eichi_ | zaurus seems dead | 11:19 |
| sxpert | zaurus *is* dead | 11:19 |
| eichi_ | thats wat i mean ;) | 11:20 |
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| sikor_sxe | hello | 12:52 |
| sikor_sxe | is there an howto somewhere, which describes how i setup a repository for maemo apps? | 12:52 |
| sikor_sxe | in case i want to provide an .install file for my app | 12:53 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: debian :) | 12:55 |
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| sikor_sxe | pheew. ok :) | 12:56 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: http://pastebin.com/m3138d104 | 12:56 |
| melmoth | that's how i used to have one for bora. | 12:56 |
| sikor_sxe | is it easy to get your stuff into some semi-official maemo repo? | 12:56 |
| melmoth | I just needed to launch this after having put the package in the repo | 12:56 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: not that complicated. hold on | 12:57 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: it s actually a better idea to have your soft on extra rather than to build yet another third party repo | 12:57 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 12:58 |
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| sikor_sxe | great, thanks | 12:59 |
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| sikor_sxe | hmm, xarchiver is currently beta | 13:04 |
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| sikor_sxe | it sure has some rough edges and might set a tablet on fire | 13:04 |
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| murrayc_ | sikor_sxe: Yes, it's easy: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 13:13 |
| murrayc_ | sikor_sxe: Please don't use some other random repository. | 13:13 |
| sikor_sxe | i'd create my own | 13:14 |
| sikor_sxe | no good idea? | 13:14 |
| murrayc_ | Please just use extras and save yourself and users the pain. | 13:14 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: if the problem is "it s not ready yet", you can push stuff only in a extra-devel sort of repo. | 13:15 |
| melmoth | and push it on the main extra one only once you feel it s ready. | 13:16 |
| sikor_sxe | "The admins also select from existing garage users, but in order to ensure that you will receive the necessary rights you must have a "proven track record" as a maemo developer. It means that you have been programming and preparing good quality software(s) for maemo. Your packages are installable with the Application Manager and naturally they do not brick one's device after installing :)" | 13:19 |
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| sikor_sxe | i guess i do not have a "proven track record" | 13:20 |
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| BugBlue | mmm what is the difference between the N810 02701Z7 and thhe N810 02704N1 | 13:25 |
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| tableteer | Hmm. maemo wiki is still b0rked. When accessing http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ I'm redirected to http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto/ - does anyone else have the same problem? | 13:35 |
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| keesj | tableteer: I have the same behaviour yes | 13:46 |
| keesj | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2801 | 13:47 |
| keesj | tableteer: that was for you | 13:48 |
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| tableteer | ah, thanks | 13:50 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, mentally restless, always a "fun" condition... | 14:14 |
| lcuk | tso, just try and setup a new app for maemo | 14:15 |
| lcuk | do a steve jobs and BOOM! here it comes | 14:15 |
| t_s_o | hmm? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | im sat wondering about processes | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | last night (at some point) either i am going mad and didnt disconnect my network, or some process started it back up without asking me. | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i asked about it when i was awoken earlier (ive been back to sleep) and some folks thought it might have been an app having enough priviledges to get onto the net without asking | 14:17 |
| lcuk | thats made my head spin because maemo has lots of active processes and daemons | 14:18 |
| lcuk | is there a database somewhere which given the maemo process name will indicate what it does and what it effects | 14:18 |
| lcuk | there are similar sites for windows apps (just try searching google for svchost.exe or something | 14:19 |
| * lcuk wants a steve jobs app to tell him what evil programs are lurking on his machine | 14:19 | |
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| sikor_sxe | anyone familiar with garage.maemo.org? | 14:21 |
| sikor_sxe | i can't seem to get my homepage recognized | 14:22 |
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| sikor_sxe | i uploaded a www dir to svn root | 14:22 |
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| sikor_sxe | someone told me, this would be the way to activate the project homepage | 14:23 |
| melmoth | i do not recall having to do anything at all like that. | 14:23 |
| sikor_sxe | well, what do you *have* to do then? | 14:24 |
| sikor_sxe | where do i upload my hp? | 14:24 |
| t_s_o | hmm, unless the device is in offline mode, anything should in theory be able to wake up the connection, if there is a "known" ap nearby... | 14:24 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: it s automatically generated , i do not know how..the main home page of the project is lcoated anywhere you want. | 14:25 |
| lcuk | tso, thats right, but connect automatically is set to "always ask" - at the very most i would expect it to have been on the select network dialog (no matter how much battery it drains) | 14:25 |
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| melmoth | garage is just the svn repository+some tools such as bug /feature request crm, mailing lists and so on | 14:25 |
| melmoth | sikor_sxe: once you are loged in garage, go on the https://garage.maemo.org/projects/yourproject/ page (automatically generated) | 14:26 |
| lcuk | im gonna start looking through my process list and see what does what and where its expected to touch but it would be better as a shared web app so it can be expanded upon | 14:26 |
| sikor_sxe | melmoth: there's some webspace for homepage, too | 14:26 |
| sikor_sxe | i found it | 14:26 |
| melmoth | where, where ? :) | 14:27 |
| t_s_o | ugh, starting to understand why people can get addicted to coffee in the morning... | 14:27 |
| sikor_sxe | melmoth: http://<yourproject>.garage.maemo.org | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | i tried to, but my youngest finished most of the milk | 14:27 |
| lcuk | i was tempted to pour some out of his breakfast, but coffee with rice crispies in wasnt appealing | 14:28 |
| gimmal | hey folks, glad to see some are awake here | 14:28 |
| sikor_sxe | melmoth: and files get in by checking in stuff into svnroot/www | 14:28 |
| gimmal | lagged here, but it works ;^)> | 14:28 |
| lcuk | hi gim | 14:28 |
| melmoth | ohhh. interesting | 14:28 |
| t_s_o | lcuk: instant pre-blends ;) (if that made any sense) | 14:28 |
| lcuk | as long as they include whitener they are ok | 14:29 |
| gimmal | got a question: I'm considering purchasing an N810, but I'd like to know if there'll be a reasonable possability that I could port SBCl [ http://www.sbcl.org ] to work on it. This, I know, is a complex question - it's more than a matter of porting a GTK app. any advice? | 14:29 |
| melmoth | gimmal: what about trying to install the sdk and trying to compile it ? | 14:30 |
| gimmal | For what it's worth, SBCL can use McCLIM for GUI stuff, which can use GTK for realizing the CLIM stuff. I'm loading the SBCL homepage, right now, to try to check about processor support, either | 14:30 |
| gimmal | melmoth: sounds like a good idea; I can give it a try, and if it don't, kick it 'til it will, hehe ;) | 14:31 |
| gimmal | N810 uses an ARM architecture, is it? | 14:32 |
| t_s_o | yes | 14:32 |
| lcuk | gimmal, just reading up on it, it does its own bootstrapping and isnt built using gcc at all. and there isnt yet an armel port. | 14:33 |
| lcuk | from their page they say its possible (with big buts) | 14:33 |
| lcuk | It should be possible to port it to new CPU architectures, but it would be a lot of work: implementing all the CPU-dependent parts of the compiler backend for the new CPU. | 14:33 |
| t_s_o | heh, i do look forward to when a web tablet comes along with a cortex based cpu under the hood :D | 14:33 |
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| lcuk | i would be happy with x86 | 14:33 |
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| murrayc_ | sikor_sxe: about the "proven track record". Just ask, please. | 14:34 |
| lcuk | gimmal, how comfortable are you with the operating of an armel processor? | 14:34 |
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| gimmal | lcuk: heh, doing m' homework for me, hehe; fwiw, I'm a little familiar with those low-level parts of SBCl -- it's all up in ASM stuff, some ASM calls being ultimately represented as Common Lisp calls, per the given machine for a build | 14:35 |
| lcuk | it might be best to ask on the SBCL mailing list | 14:35 |
| gimmal | just a little familar; I've seen 'em, haven't had to dig into 'em | 14:35 |
| gimmal | lcuk: I'm pretty clueless when it comes to CPU-architecture-specific qualities, but I'm willing to take the time to learn, heh | 14:36 |
| lcuk | the base porting sounds a lot more indepth and would require intimate knowledge of both sides of the equation | 14:36 |
| |tbb| | hi all | 14:36 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows how to send a message to maemo desktop via dbus | 14:36 |
| |tbb| | btw dbus-send from script | 14:36 |
| kelo | are there any binary plugins for gstreamer available? I need mp3 and divx support in scratchbox | 14:37 |
| lcuk | gimmal, ask the same question on the sbcl mailing list, because it might be enough for one of the guys there to say "hey, ive got an armel device/nokia nxx0 - ill give it a go" | 14:37 |
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| gimmal | lcuk: yeah, asking those guys about arm support could be a good idea; could be long-shot that anyone there would have a Nokia device, but if I can generalize it enough, maybe someone will respond not unfavorably | 14:39 |
| lcuk | yer, if you specify its ARMEL code (Ti opac 2420 CPU) thats wanted someone might ping who would have just ignored a specific nokia request | 14:40 |
| lcuk | OMAP^ | 14:41 |
| * lcuk takes off his 10 gallon hat | 14:41 | |
| gimmal | ARMEL, ok | 14:42 |
| lcuk | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 | 14:42 |
| gimmal | TI too -- might stir some folks up, there. TI used to be pretty heavily involved about Common Lisp, used to make at least one line of Lisp Machines | 14:43 |
| lcuk | good luck with it :) | 14:43 |
| gimmal | lcuk: thank you for this advice. May I inquire, furthermore, as for where a person could learn more about the type of processor/architecture in the N810 and the like? hey, nevermind ; thanks much | 14:44 |
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| CrashandDie | Hey guys | 14:45 |
| CrashandDie | When doing a apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY " | 14:46 |
| kelo | how can i get mp3 and divx support in chinnook? | 14:46 |
| CrashandDie | in other words, I don't have the pgp signatures of the servers I'm querying, anyone know where I can get those signatures ? I know how to import them, I just don't know where to find them | 14:47 |
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| CrashandDie | And I was thinking of something else... Is it possible to use the GPS receiver in the n810 on a laptop ? | 14:49 |
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| lcuk | CrashandDie, i've heard a couple of people ask the same question, but my google foo is off | 14:51 |
| lcuk | i think the answer was something along the lines of "with a simple deamon running on 810 it should be possible"... | 14:52 |
| lcuk | but i cant remember anyone saying "yes heres how to do it" | 14:52 |
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| CrashandDie | hmm | 14:53 |
| CrashandDie | I'll have to work on that | 14:53 |
| CrashandDie | thanks lcuk | 14:53 |
| CrashandDie | lcuk, you wouldn't have a pointer about the gpg signatures ? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | i dunno, ive never had it or seen anyone with problem | 14:53 |
| lcuk | see what the great google comes up with | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | CrashandDie, found one of the irc logs about the gps | 14:56 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-13.log.html | 14:56 |
| lcuk | search for bluetooth and they have a quicky discussion | 14:57 |
| CrashandDie | cheers ! | 14:57 |
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| oil | CrashandDie: could you check if you can connect to the gpsd on n810 with your laptop? | 15:18 |
| CrashandDie | oil, sure, lemme reboot to ubuntu, back in a sec | 15:19 |
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| oil | CrashandDie: let us know how it works | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie | oil: back | 15:21 |
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| targaryen | This "Hello World" app keeps opening when I load maemo in xephyr, it's getting annoying | 15:37 |
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| oil | crashanddie: did the connection to n810 gpsd work? | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | oil: hang on, I'm having bluetooth issues, working on it atm | 15:54 |
| oil | crashanddie: ok. not in hurry :) | 15:56 |
| atlas95 | openvpn gui is on the maemo roadmap or no? | 15:58 |
| lcuk | mrs roberts could hack gps to laptop with her eyes closed | 16:00 |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/341/ | 16:01 |
| johnx | ahaha...I knew that name sounded familiar | 16:01 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to use this .Introspectable.Introspect with dbus-signals | 16:01 |
| lcuk | morning john, any further with screendefect | 16:02 |
| johnx | nah, took off the faceplate cleaned around the edges | 16:05 |
| johnx | ...of the screen. I was really hopeful but it didn't help | 16:05 |
| johnx | I'll email nokia tomorrow. today was busy and now I'm in a mood to hack on debian stuff | 16:05 |
| lcuk | dang, soudns like the capacitance plate in the touch layers are busted. if nokia arent helpful might be an idea to get on ebay see if any replacements are avail | 16:07 |
| lcuk | i am still trying to get ide together - ive decided i hate eclipse enough to want something else - something a bit more specific | 16:08 |
| johnx | I've heard about anjuta | 16:09 |
| johnx | might be worth a shot | 16:09 |
| johnx | it's free after all | 16:09 |
| * johnx doesn't take on any programming project too big to be done in vi | 16:09 | |
| lcuk | i started loooking last night at that, there is an alpha addin for maemo comp, and the ide is more geared speecifically to c/c++ | 16:10 |
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| lcuk | i want a simple editor but im a mouse user | 16:10 |
| johnx | gvim with syntax hilighting? | 16:11 |
| johnx | emacs? | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | dunno, its all new to me, i though most of those were ssh terminal progs | 16:11 |
| lcuk | im not from linux and am used to a full ide for the env im developing for, hell ive never really used make before... | 16:12 |
| johnx | well they both were terminal only historically, but vi got a gtk frontend (gvim) and emacs got an X11 version | 16:13 |
| fugitivo | lcuk: text editor in gnome has syntax color | 16:13 |
| lcuk | good to know, ill take a look if anjuta doesnt give me a safe comfortable base | 16:13 |
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| fugitivo | i use gedit because it's light and simple, it has color syntax and tabs for multiple files | 16:14 |
| fugitivo | all I need for coding | 16:14 |
| lcuk | syntax isnt a problem, grew up without it so its nice but not reqd. its the complexities of settingg up compiler chain and includes and libraries etgc | 16:15 |
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| fugitivo | ah, i use command line for that :) | 16:15 |
| johnx | lcuk, together we'd make a pretty mean linux programmer | 16:15 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:15 |
| lcuk | do you normally have to manually setup make files for projects | 16:16 |
| lcuk | or (as i expect) does the ide/project manager do that for you | 16:17 |
| johnx | I started Linux in 1998 on RedHat 5.1 . I got mad at having outdated software so I ended up compiling most of my OS from source one package at a time | 16:17 |
| johnx | a full blown IDE would handle that | 16:17 |
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| johnx | gedit or gvim are just editors with syntax hilighting | 16:17 |
| fugitivo | johnx: oh yeah, i remember those ages... full of remote exploits and you had to take care of yourself | 16:18 |
| lcuk | yer, eclipse has loads of extensions in the vmware box, but eclipse has so many menus and branches and options i keep getting lost | 16:18 |
| johnx | fugitivo, yeah, and compiling XFree 3.x on a K6-266 took a night and a day ... before failing | 16:19 |
| lcuk | its like visual studio 2005 on super speed | 16:19 |
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| johnx | heh, speed as in the drug or speed as in it's faster? | 16:20 |
| fugitivo | johnx: well, i was using a P2 400 in that year, so I didn't try to compile X :) | 16:20 |
| lcuk | john, first time i ever wrote a program it came in a book for zx spectrum. me and mum (great hacker...) spent about 3 weeks typing it in and then another couple of weeks trying to get it running | 16:21 |
| lcuk | drug | 16:21 |
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| fugitivo | lcuk: whow, same here! but it was a spectrum sinclair | 16:21 |
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| johnx | heh...I didn't really have a computer I could hack on and mess around with until 1998 | 16:21 |
| fugitivo | lcuk: i copied the code of a game that came in a magazine and didn't have tape to save it | 16:21 |
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| lcuk | we couldnt switch off and gave up in the end, but my mum got a job with computers after that and i was bitten by the bug | 16:22 |
| lcuk | john i got first pc in 98 and up until recently resented it for being crap compared to amiga | 16:24 |
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| fugitivo | lcuk: i find complete IDEs hard to work with | 16:24 |
| fugitivo | too much stuff | 16:24 |
| johnx | heh...I took my life savings (money from birthdays and christmas presents ) in 1998 and bought a P166MMx, used windows for 6 months, got fed up and switched to Linux and never looked back | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | i havent had a problem, but the simpler are better. give me project management, include following, context help and a build button i am ok | 16:26 |
| lcuk | 166 wow fast... ;) | 16:27 |
| lcuk | pygtkeditor for maemo is almost there for this device. its practically perfect ide. | 16:28 |
| lcuk | but its just wrong language | 16:28 |
| lcuk | ... | 16:28 |
| fugitivo | heh | 16:29 |
| johnx | well, an IDE for python includes less stuff, since it's an interpreted language... | 16:29 |
| lcuk | caqn i get gcc and sdk for actual onboard compiling? | 16:29 |
| johnx | gcc, yes. all the headers you need ... possible but there will be versioning/dependency issues I think | 16:29 |
| lcuk | its not just that john, pygtked reminds me of ide i used for year on amiga | 16:29 |
| lcuk | s | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | thumb typing is a pita | 16:30 |
| johnx | yes, especially without hardware keys | 16:30 |
| johnx | lcuk, maybe try freshmeat.net | 16:31 |
| johnx | they have things categorized rather nicely | 16:31 |
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| fugitivo | since google I don't use freshmeat anymore | 16:32 |
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| johnx | fugitivo, I still use it | 16:32 |
| johnx | you can't get google to reverse-sort by last update and only display things that don't use X11 | 16:33 |
| lcuk | hmmm usb hub key not respondding | 16:33 |
| fugitivo | I used it a LOT when package manager was not an usual app in a distro | 16:33 |
| lcuk | AHHHH RIGHT, DONE IT | 16:34 |
| lcuk | crap | 16:34 |
| lcuk | ok i can now type properly | 16:34 |
| johnx | lcuk, C or C++? | 16:34 |
| lcuk | 810 -> usb hub -> keyboard wasnt working | 16:34 |
| lcuk | i can code in either | 16:34 |
| lcuk | no preference, if one works i will use it | 16:34 |
| lcuk | object oriented code is how you write it, not which language you use | 16:35 |
| johnx | lcuk, how about this: http://geany.uvena.de/ | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | that looks great, i will have a proper look when i rescue my desktop back from youngest (he will cry if i turn off cbeebies right now...) | 16:43 |
| johnx | sounds good | 16:43 |
| lcuk | i need a shared clipboard/mini blog system so i can copy and paste stuff between systems easily - a shared task/memo system would be nice | 16:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, you and me both | 16:44 |
| johnx | I've found a couple sites, like google notes | 16:44 |
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| johnx | but they're never simple/fast enough for my taste | 16:45 |
| lcuk | well since its straight foreward code - i did a quick hackjob for python remote which connects and talks to my windows box it wouldnt be too difficult | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | i have a windows based task system used by a few of our customers at work and they love the simplicity (its easier to handle than email...) | 16:46 |
| johnx | a little tray applet that could send a short text string from N800 to Linux desktop would be awesome | 16:46 |
| lcuk | i might just get a simple system set up later - it would be a good basic program to write as a first app | 16:46 |
| lcuk | to *any* desktop | 16:46 |
| johnx | agreed | 16:46 |
| lcuk | python client server and it doesnt matter | 16:47 |
| johnx | I should look to see if it hasn't already been done | 16:47 |
| lcuk | it probably has, but its annoying to find something on one machine which is intended for the other | 16:47 |
| johnx | I need to learn more about "hildonization" since I doubt I'll have the patience to code up any of the apps on my "must have" list from scratch | 16:47 |
| lcuk | python is great for that, just get it mostly right on linux, then adjust The minor parts which need specifics | 16:48 |
| lcuk | i only want this c compilation so i can build python native modules (maily speed only) for the few parts which i know can work faster and need to actually work faster | 16:49 |
| fugitivo | I don't like "scripting" languages for GUI programming | 16:49 |
| johnx | yeah...the problem is what I keep looking at hildonizing is epiphany-webkit which is C/GTK | 16:49 |
| johnx | lcuk, I really do like python though | 16:49 |
| lcuk | i started to write my drawing program - did it in python and it works, but doing a circle with stylus looks like a 50p piece (7 sided polygon) and doesnt look circular | 16:50 |
| lcuk | i like it, and it works as a really nice glue but just some parts need speed .. | 16:50 |
| lcuk | the webkit is essentially a full browser in a box isnt it | 16:51 |
| johnx | it's just the HTML rendering part if I understand correctly | 16:52 |
| lcuk | ive always thought of it like the internet explorer activex box which loads of windows programs use | 16:52 |
| johnx | I think the IE activex is actually closer to a full browser than webkit, though I could be wrong | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | a browser is pretty much just a rendering window. for it to understand html it has to process the entire thing, then theres just a couple of things for history and clicking next link | 16:54 |
| johnx | the networking part, and user interactivity part seem not so trivial... | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | if its already based in gtk then it should work, net connect comes from sockets so thats there as well i assume | 16:57 |
| lcuk | does it work without hildonizing? (just looks crap) or does it not even build | 16:58 |
| johnx | lcuk, it works in debian | 16:58 |
| johnx | I can't be bothered to try and make complicated debian packages build for ITOS these days | 16:58 |
| johnx | it works *great* in debian, too | 16:59 |
| lcuk | have you had a look if anyone else is trying to get it in | 16:59 |
| johnx | I'll look again | 16:59 |
| johnx | before I do any work | 16:59 |
| johnx | right now I've been talking to some guys who are way ahead of me in the debian-on-n800 project | 17:00 |
| lcuk | heh, i just noticed i filled my notification icons area - hildon adds a little nobble to list the rest. i was idly wondering how it would handle having too many | 17:00 |
| johnx | so a lot of stuff that didn't work should work now, like buttons :) | 17:00 |
| lcuk | cool, follow them and see if you can push them towards webkit | 17:01 |
| lcuk | oh crap, you said it does | 17:01 |
| johnx | well no one's hildonized it | 17:02 |
| lcuk | do, debian on 800 - this is full actual desktop with a mouse cursor and all available deb apps running on it (once compiled) not just the specific maemo apps | 17:02 |
| lcuk | so ^ | 17:02 |
| johnx | right, but hildonizing makes things a lot nicer to use with a touch screen | 17:03 |
| lcuk | yer, things you take for granted in desktop like box/font sizes multi windows etc need tweaks | 17:04 |
| johnx | yeah, definitely. | 17:04 |
| johnx | ask any long time zaurus user :) | 17:04 |
| * lcuk tries to teach junior devs at work about using screen effecively | 17:04 | |
| johnx | if they don't get it, then stop teaching and start beating it into them | 17:05 |
| johnx | 10 years from now interfaces from today will look as hideously broken and stupid as twm | 17:05 |
| johnx | or at least I hope | 17:05 |
| lcuk | ive got one guy who insists on making every single window as small and compact as possible. hes deving for a natural minimum of 1024*768 (customer specified) but he insists on making tiny windows and has no idea about focus and priority - he gives the wrong things emphasis | 17:06 |
| johnx | hmm | 17:06 |
| johnx | there's a thin line there | 17:07 |
| lcuk | i want a dynamic interface which knows about the important aspects and shows you what you need in the avilable space, but as the space expands you can show extra less useful details | 17:07 |
| johnx | you don't help anything by making it too small, but the typical windows mentality of "my window will be maximized all the time. nothing less than 1024x768 will do!" makes me want to kill | 17:08 |
| lcuk | its like a tiny column with my name would show my initials, but as it expands its shows a. lastname. then even wider shows full name with title | 17:08 |
| fugitivo | lcuk: ala gmail | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | yes | 17:09 |
| johnx | lcuk, that would be nice | 17:09 |
| lcuk | it takes a lot of code at the moment, but i have a working test model for a few things | 17:10 |
| lcuk | i just let the interface decide whichversion of a control to use, and if i supply just a single one thats all its got to work with, but if i supply variants it shows the biggest one it can fit | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | i dunno how i could fit it into python thou, i hadnt even considered it until now and think whatever i did would be a hackjob | 17:12 |
| lcuk | surprisingly, it works very nice and quickly in vb | 17:12 |
| johnx | no comment | 17:13 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:13 |
| lcuk | didnt think there would be :P | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | the stigmaa is there about the language but its got all the major parts required for dev, its fast enough and certainly expandable. but i know its time is gone | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | i think its time for dinner anywa | 17:15 |
| lcuk | nice chattin with you again john, catch you later | 17:15 |
| johnx | you too | 17:15 |
| johnx | 'later | 17:15 |
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| fysa | http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/download/maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4/maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.001 | 17:44 |
| fysa | is that the preferred sdk? | 17:45 |
| fugitivo | what the hell | 17:45 |
| johnx | yup | 17:46 |
| johnx | that's the first part at least | 17:46 |
| fysa | right | 17:46 |
| johnx | that's of course only if you need the vmware image | 17:46 |
| fysa | just wanted to make sure there wasn't something 'better' floating around | 17:46 |
| johnx | fysa, I'm not that best person to ask then | 17:47 |
| fysa | I have an ubuntu box here already.. | 17:47 |
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| johnx | I have an i386 ubuntu box so I just install natively | 17:47 |
| fysa | you just followed the sb2/native instructions? | 17:47 |
| johnx | didn't do sb2 | 17:47 |
| johnx | maybe "native" was the wrong word | 17:47 |
| fysa | http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/installing-os2008-development.html | 17:47 |
| johnx | I used the official nokia instructions | 17:48 |
| fysa | pasting: | 17:48 |
| fysa | wget http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh | 17:48 |
| fysa | chmod +x maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh | 17:48 |
| fysa | sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh -d | 17:48 |
| johnx | I have no urge to be cutting edge | 17:48 |
| fysa | http://bp0.blogger.com/_TMjRO5VJrB8/R4U_F8oK8FI/AAAAAAAAAfU/0CaXE8Sf9Sg/s1600-h/Desktop.png | 17:48 |
| fysa | looks good. | 17:48 |
| fysa | think I will try that.. | 17:48 |
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| oil | my maemo@car looks quite ok now. but.. ukmp crashed, maemo mapper crashed and I had to reboot the n800 couple of time during couple of hours trip. | 17:53 |
| oil | is there a way to tell maemo mapper that it would look for the bt gps silently every 3 minutes or so? | 17:54 |
| oil | now it tries to find the bt device for a while. then it wil display that the device is not available 'retry' or 'cancel'. I wish it to go quiently and just keep on looking. | 17:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | oil, do you have a GPS device? | 17:57 |
| oil | what I have in mind is that when the device looses the wlan connection to home => it's on the road -> maemo mapper would startup and also ukmp would start. | 17:57 |
| oil | when the device comes back home and finds the wlan => maemo mapper and ukmp would close automatically. after this the device would get new mp3 and mp4 files from the home server | 17:58 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: yes, bluetooth. | 17:58 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: but I want it to be as much automatic as possible. | 17:59 |
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| zoran | mapper should show you where your home is when you are in it? | 18:00 |
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| oil | zoran: the device should see the home wlan AP and stop the maemo mapper application | 18:01 |
| zoran | joke | 18:01 |
| zoran | I do understand what you want | 18:01 |
| zoran | daemon should take home wifi first | 18:01 |
| oil | zoran: but also it would be a great possibility to start an application if the mapper finds that tehre is an POI around. is that possible? | 18:01 |
| zoran | the people use phone that way | 18:02 |
| oil | ? | 18:02 |
| zoran | voip over home wifi and then 3g, when going to work | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | oil, it would have to be something implemented in maemo mapper. | 18:03 |
| johnx | oil, if it's not possible you should talk to gnuite about maybe sending a dbus event on proximity to a POI | 18:03 |
| johnx | that would be very cool | 18:03 |
| zoran | or simple daemon to handle any app, incliding mapper | 18:03 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: the poi thing yes. | 18:03 |
| johnx | hmm...actually if you could read maemomapper's POI.db you wouldn't need it | 18:04 |
| zoran | oil, I recall articl in linux journal few months ago, about smart home etc | 18:04 |
| zoran | music in all rooms, phone calls everywhere... | 18:04 |
| zoran | server with asterisk and music file server and cannot remember further | 18:05 |
| oil | zoran: with asterisk there might be problems with codec's. the sound is never very good. | 18:06 |
| zoran | not talking about 770/800 | 18:06 |
| zoran | should be the same or simolar | 18:06 |
| oil | johnx: mappers poi.db is quite simple when it's extracted with sqlplus3. | 18:07 |
| fysa | hmm. time to: sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:07 |
| johnx | I thought I rememberd something like that | 18:07 |
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| oil | johnx: I could not find the db converison for os2008 (even tought the maemo mapper is using it) so I did it on ubuntu. | 18:08 |
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| johnx | one of these days I'll get a GPS and start hacking on that | 18:09 |
| oil | johnx: you should. there is great possibilities on it. | 18:09 |
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| |tbb| | oli im working on something like you descriped before | 18:10 |
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| oil | zoran: well yes. with sip, it's possible to use different codecs. ilbc is pretty good and efficient, but maybe not for music. | 18:10 |
| oil | |tbb|: what kind of thing? | 18:11 |
| |tbb| | but still in kids shoes | 18:11 |
| |tbb| | do events on special places | 18:11 |
| oil | sounds interesting. how do you define special places? wlan, gps? | 18:12 |
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| |tbb| | with gps | 18:13 |
| lcuk | dbus event: you have entered the united kingdom, please place your hands on the wall and spread your legs | 18:13 |
| oil | please let us know about that. | 18:14 |
| |tbb| | something like staying at a gasoline station with wlan access download emails or something about that | 18:14 |
| |tbb| | i will. | 18:14 |
| lcuk | the map already shows known wifihotspots doesnt it | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | or do you want it actually running a command at a location | 18:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Linux has anything similar to AppleScript? | 18:16 |
| lcuk | ues python :p | 18:16 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:17 |
| oil | but what if the device could check the open hotspots in advance where it can do the login? | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | but doesnt your net do that already - if i am out of range of work net its not offered | 18:17 |
| zoran | should connect to your phone | 18:18 |
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| crashanddie | oil, I did it :) | 18:19 |
| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: Perl, python, ruby, lua. All the major window managers ought to have some language bound, though you don't usually need to do the same sort of automation-by-events that applescript does. At least, I never do. :P | 18:19 |
| lcuk | well i use home and barring bugs it offers whichever it can see | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | oil, not through bluetooth, but that shouldn't take long | 18:19 |
| oil | crashanddie: you managed to connect to the n810 gpsd from your pc? | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | yup | 18:19 |
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| oil | crashanddie: great! can you share the howto. | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | yeah sure | 18:20 |
| crashanddie | oil, you have to install SSH on the n810, and be able to get root on it, as root, type /etc/init.d/gpsdriver start | 18:21 |
| oil | ok | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | oil, then, do a netstat -l | grep gps, this will give you the name of the unix socket where the control socket is at | 18:23 |
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| crashanddie | oil, after that, just type gpsd /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl | 18:23 |
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| crashanddie | it will fork to background by itself, now, on your computer, initiate an ssh connection to your n810, with a tunnel to the default gpsd port, 2947 | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | oil, for me, this is: sudo ssh root@mercurio -L 2947:localhost:2947 | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | then, from your computer, a simple telnet localhost 2947 allows you to connect to it, type "dp" in the telnet session to get the gps info | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | There are a few tutorials out there on how to do tcp/ip over bluetooth, so I'll be looking into that, and if I get something nice, I'll create a big and nice tutorial on everything | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | I'll probably post it in the forums or something | 18:27 |
| johnx | rant: jeez, WTH is wrong with bzr that it can't checkout a whole repo at once. I actually had to scrape a web page with sh to feed it a list of branches. so retro... | 18:27 |
| |tbb| | crashanddie: on my device gpsdriver is continuesly running, wonder why u have to start it | 18:28 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, that's awesome | 18:28 |
| oil | crashanddie: that's good. thanks. you should write it out. | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | |tbb|, oh, I dunno, I just found gpsdriver, and told it to start, I didn't check if it was already running | 18:28 |
| oil | crashanddie: is there a way to do this without the ssh tunnel? just connect to the port of the remote device? | 18:29 |
| zoran | every wifi user could connect to it if open | 18:30 |
| |tbb| | r u talking about n810 device? | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | |tbb|, yeah | 18:30 |
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| crashanddie | oil, like zoran said, I'm not sure it's a really good idea to allow anyone on the network to access the gpsd info | 18:31 |
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| zoran | crashanddie, it could start at that service and end who knows where | 18:32 |
| oil | crashanddie: I actually like the idea. then it would be possible for several devices to access it. | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | oil, it would also allow anyone who has access to the network to know your current location | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | oil, though, I guess that by fiddling with the gpsd options, you should be able to open up the port to not only localhost access | 18:33 |
| zoran | oil, don't forget that device is pretty sudo, so you don't know what could be used for break in | 18:33 |
| oil | crashanddie: true, but your location would be available for the people you are with. | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | oil, I know, I'm just being over-protective here | 18:34 |
| johnx | multiple ssh tunnels are fine | 18:34 |
| johnx | and they can be automated with public key logins | 18:34 |
| zoran | and firewall with mac filtering | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | johnx, yeah we weren't discussing that, but rather to open up the gpsd port to anyone on the network | 18:35 |
| johnx | mac filtering *does nothing* | 18:35 |
| oil | I'm thinking in the case that we would like to share the information between the people. for example in the car. | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | mac filtering isn't worth anything if anyone serious comes around | 18:35 |
| johnx | ask me about how booting my N800 into debian caused it to forget it's MAC address | 18:35 |
| johnx | ifconfig hw ether 00:de:ad:be:ef:00 | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go to bed. :P | 18:35 |
| johnx | :P | 18:36 |
| johnx | yeah, I should | 18:36 |
| zoran | johnx, no so many people could find that in a million years :) | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | well, allow me to play around with gpsdrive on my laptop for a bit, and then I'll post a small tutorial on the forums or something | 18:36 |
| johnx | obviously there isn't room on this channel for both of us :P | 18:36 |
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| zoran | and not so many folks use linux anyway | 18:36 |
| johnx | 'night all | 18:36 |
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| crashanddie | johnx, cheers | 18:37 |
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| oil | johnx: good night. | 18:39 |
| oil | crashanddie: how about sharing the gps information between people around? so that it would be one service of the network? | 18:40 |
| zoran | server with ajax? | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | oil, yeah, I guess that looking at it that way would be acceptable | 18:41 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows something about the NJoy rgb format which is used for led in n810 | 18:41 |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to create different colors like red green or blue | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/mce/mce.ini |tbb|. | 18:44 |
| |tbb| | i know and what the pattern things tell me i dont understand the format | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should have a description at the top. | 18:45 |
| oil | crashanddie: thinking how to get it as simple as possible for the people who don't have the tech-skills. | 18:45 |
| |t_s_o| | hmm, i cant figure out why one of my emails crash modest, while another does not. both are pop, so they should in theory behave the same... | 18:45 |
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| oil | crashanddie: all the people want to do at the end is push the button and everything works. that's why apple ,skype and google has been so successfull :) | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | oil, I know :) lemme work on it | 18:49 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: i would like to know how to change the color like (rgb, 215,25,218) whats that in njoy format is there a table or something | 18:50 |
| oil | crashanddie: I like your style :) I need to get to bed at some point, but please drop me an email at oil@iki.fi | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | oil, will do | 18:50 |
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| K-Fox | n800 have the push mail? | 18:59 |
| jga23 | is it safe to do an apt-get upgrade? there are a bunch of libraries that show up to be updated but in the App Manager, nothing shows up | 19:01 |
| zoran | be aware of dep hell :) | 19:03 |
| jga23 | ? | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | jga23, I wouldn't recommend it. | 19:03 |
| jga23 | k | 19:03 |
| zoran | some libs depend on only one version... | 19:03 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: or is it just not possible to change the color to other then red blue green | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have an N810, |tbb|. | 19:05 |
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| xment | hi | 19:31 |
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| jga23 | I got transmission (torrent downloader) working on my n810, but now when I try to do anything (move, delete) on my memory card it says error read-only filesystem | 19:33 |
| jga23 | anybody gotten this error before? | 19:33 |
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| K-Fox | wow torrent is a good application | 19:34 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 19:36 |
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| crashanddie | anyone know the guy who writes the maemo mapper software ? And where I could contact him ? | 19:37 |
| dragorn | jga23: Check that it's not trying to do permissions on a vfat card? | 19:37 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: His email's in the source if I recall, I've emailed him a few times | 19:37 |
| doc|home | crashanddie: someone said it's contracted out by nokia | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | not that he's going to be of any help | 19:37 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: what are you trying to do | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | I'm trying to get the gps receiver to work on another computer than the n810 | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | it works (c), but there are a few things I'd have to work on | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | btw, greetings doc|home | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, what are they smoking? | 19:38 |
| dragorn | I highly doubt he's contracted by nokia ;P | 19:39 |
| jga23 | dragorn: how do I check that? | 19:39 |
| dragorn | jga23: By going through the source | 19:39 |
| dragorn | jga23: or maybe strace | 19:39 |
| doc|home | hey crashanddie | 19:39 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: the fat nokia contract :) | 19:39 |
| jga23 | dragorn: is there any way to fix the issue? | 19:39 |
| jga23 | I don't care about the app | 19:39 |
| jga23 | just my memory card | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, you're thinking of "Map" | 19:39 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: used to roll up some odd plants most likely | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not Maemo Mapper. | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, gnuite. | 19:40 |
| doc|home | that is possible | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's the truth. :P | 19:40 |
| doc|home | ok then :) | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, gnuite yourself ! | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | And what the hell is that supposed to mean ? | 19:40 |
| dragorn | jga23: if that's the issue? Edit the source to not do that. I'm just guessing that it might be throwing crap errors, lots of *nix things try to do permissions and then blow up strangely when the vfat layer returns an error | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ | 19:40 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: Either find where it launches gpsd and let it bind to all interfaces | 19:40 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: or write a simple reflector that listens on the public port and copies data into the loopback port | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, yeah that works, don't worry | 19:41 |
| jga23 | dragorn: I just want to fix the memory card, is there any way to change it from read-only mode? | 19:41 |
| dragorn | the latter is slightly more annoying but slightly less invasive | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, it's just, I'm having trouble launching gpsd correctly, I don't understand what keeps it running... | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, when I launch, say, Map, gpsd gets launched, and it works great, I piped the output to whatever I need, and it just works | 19:42 |
| dragorn | jga23: ... not what I was saying at all. I'm offering the suggestion that it isn't, in fact, in ro mode. If it IS, then you either a) mounted it funny b) have the ro hardware switch set, or c) massive corruption causing the block layer to go "holy shit" and lock the device to read only to prevent further thrashing. I don't know if the vfat layer does that or only the extX layer. | 19:42 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: oh. You need to talk to the navkit libs. hang on. | 19:43 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: I'm just about to deal with that too. | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | on the other hand, when I try to launch it by hand (so you don't need to have Map running and consuming CPU/RAM), gpsd just "stops" working after a while, before I even had the time for a fix | 19:43 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: google for 'gps-saver' and 'gps-starter', I don't have the original URLs handy, they're little standalone apps someone wrote as a demo | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | let me rephrase that, "before the gps receiver manages to acquire a fix" | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, ok, thanks | 19:44 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: If I recall the navkit API is similar to IAP where it does some sort of reference counting, I think if you use it to open the device and keep a socket open to gpsd, it ought to keep things active. | 19:44 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: like I said, just getting started on it here, it's probably going to piss me off royally. I'm already reduced to kicking wlancond in the face and messing with power management for the 802.11 stuff, and it's still not 100% reliable that the interface won't go wandering into the woods somewhere instead. | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | heh | 19:45 |
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| dragorn | Flight mode makes it slightly more reliable, only then it breaks bt/gps | 19:46 |
| dragorn | (nice bit of legacy crap there that the 810 needs bt active to do gps...) | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | isn't that because it's wired (no pun intended) that way ? That it *is* a bluetooth gps receiver ? | 19:47 |
| dragorn | You think it's really wired over BT internally? | 19:47 |
| dragorn | I assumed they just ran the serial lines | 19:47 |
| dragorn | The rest of the BT subsystem doesn't activate (at least, not in a way displayed to the user). I think it's just that the navkit api doesn't really know it could use that directly. | 19:48 |
| keesj | are the datasheets flowing on the internet? | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | not really | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | it's more like shooting in the dark | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, I don't know, didn't look into it that much tbh | 19:49 |
| lcuk_2 | shooting in the dark is good as long as you have a night vision sight | 19:49 |
| keesj | schematics ... sorry , it would be easy to see | 19:49 |
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| keesj | lcuk_2: or like with the pragmatic programmers if you have lighting bullets | 19:50 |
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| crashanddie | wow, my interface just hung on the n810 | 19:50 |
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| crashanddie | dragorn, I'll probably code the a gpsd-proxy tonight, in correlation with gps-starter | 19:51 |
| lcuk_2 | you could use acoustic sounding and play a game of Battle Ships - A1:Bang........ A3:Bang......... A3:Bang...ARGHHHHHHH | 19:51 |
| dragorn | speaking of acoustic sounding the olpc has a sonic rangefinder. Wonder if the 8x0 speaker is good enough. :) | 19:52 |
| dragorn | (and if the timers are high res enough) | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | no built in mic | 19:52 |
| dragorn | eh? | 19:52 |
| lcuk_2 | mic is on the headset | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | well yeah, but I have the headset like 3% of the time | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What doesn't have a built-in mic? | 19:53 |
| melmoth | grumble, i was able to record my voice without headset | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, the n810 ? | 19:53 |
| dragorn | Uh, they both have bultin mics as far as I know :P | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | oh really ? | 19:53 |
| keesj | yes | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | djeez | 19:53 |
| lcuk_2 | thought it was only headset? | 19:54 |
| dragorn | Look between the buttons on your rocker switch | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | yeah, me too | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | that's the mic ? | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | OH AWESOME | 19:54 |
| keesj | no you can skype or gizmo with no headset | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 19:54 |
| lcuk_2 | where on 810? what rocker | 19:54 |
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| dragorn | Yes, that's the mic. I just checked. :P | 19:57 |
| xment | btw what is metalayer-crawler good for? | 19:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, the small separator between the two buttons... back and windows | 19:57 |
| xment | it seriously lags my n800 | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | xment, it scans for media. | 19:57 |
| lcuk_2 | :O thought that was just asthetic | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sometimes it gets stuck on unfortunately placed symlinks. | 19:57 |
| xment | GeneralAntilles: there are no symlinks on vfat; i just put there about 20 wma files | 19:58 |
| lcuk_2 | it would be upside down for me to use like a phone though, power cable would be up in the ait | 19:58 |
| lcuk_2 | r | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't side-talk it. | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a speaker-phone mic. | 19:58 |
| lcuk_2 | since i didnt know it had a mic i never even considered it, and anyway im not gonna use it like a taco | 19:58 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, agreed | 19:59 |
| lcuk_2 | it wouldnt work well anyway since the speakers arent setup for personal hearing | 19:59 |
| lcuk_2 | well at least i know there is some bonux easter egg technology in 810 - at least as far as i am concerned its new | 20:02 |
| dragorn | hiding in plain sight :P | 20:02 |
| dragorn | What *is* missing as far as I know is the fm tuner | 20:02 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, first thing i downloaded was the radio software from nokia and was really upset it wasnt there - i had heard it was on the 800 | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, found out how to use gps-starter ? | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, there's like NO DOCS for it :D | 20:04 |
| lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, as far as my reconnection thing goes, i have setup a packet mon on this box here and will make sure i log every night - since i cannot discover exactly which programs might be doing it i can at least capture what it is used for | 20:05 |
| * lcuk_2 hopes his 810 isnt a spam bot in its after hours internet service | 20:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | <_> | 20:05 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: worked when I messed with it a month ago, i'm debating if I feel like finding lunch or if I feel like being pissed off at code before I look at it again. | 20:06 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, go eat | 20:07 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, I have things to work on anyhow, with or without gps-starter, I'll find the info eventually | 20:07 |
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| b0unc3 | guys... I'm trying to install wget from terminal... through apt.. but I get this error : E: Some packages could not be authenticated | 20:16 |
| b0unc3 | someone know how to fix that ? | 20:16 |
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| n0ob_ | has anyone installed the maemo sdk? | 20:22 |
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| korpios | argh ... on FedEx vehicle for delivery ... but we want to go museum-hopping today ... argh! ^_^ | 20:23 |
| n0ob_ | korpios: it will arrive soon ;-) | 20:24 |
| * korpios sighs ^_^ | 20:24 | |
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| korpios | I don't want to risk having the delivery left outside in the freezing cold (Chicago, and we've been seeing quite a bit below-freezing temps for a week now) | 20:26 |
| * korpios calls FedEx and asks for an estimate | 20:26 | |
| n0ob_ | i will order my n810 as soon as i got some sdk running | 20:26 |
| pupnik_ | actually this whole channel was waiting for someone to be the first to install the sdk | 20:28 |
| n0ob_ | so no one ever did this? | 20:28 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 20:29 |
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| n0ob_ | pupnik_: i just wanted to ask how this works | 20:29 |
| pupnik_ | ok well the maemo sdk is an environment that contains the tools and libraries needed to build ITOS apps | 20:30 |
| * |tbb| is playing with more color led from n810, really funny, combinating diffrent modes | 20:31 | |
| |tbb| | violette is quite nice | 20:31 |
| pupnik_ | n0ob_: you can install the sdk onto a linux box or run a vmware image of the sdk on a windows box | 20:31 |
| pupnik_ | or on an box with a vmware player | 20:32 |
| n0ob_ | mmh im using only linux as os (this makes it interesting to me) | 20:32 |
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| pupnik_ | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ there's the vmware image | 20:32 |
| n0ob_ | cool i think i will download this | 20:33 |
| xment | os2008 is definitely not a linux, I feel like I'm in windows vista | 20:34 |
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| n0ob_ | xment: why this? | 20:34 |
| pupnik_ | uname -a | 20:34 |
| pupnik_ | Linux Nokia-N810-50-2 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown | 20:34 |
| pupnik_ | is linux | 20:34 |
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| xment | n0ob_: too many segfaults, too laggy and bunch of features nobody asked for and there's no way to turn them off | 20:35 |
| n0ob_ | uh sound bad? | 20:36 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe xment is shorthand for excrement? | 20:36 |
| n0ob_ | xment: also on the preinstalled apps? | 20:37 |
| xment | sorry, I've overreacted a bit | 20:37 |
| xment | n0ob_: yes, for example the default media player (os2008) and the rss reader | 20:38 |
| n0ob_ | mmh sounds really bad | 20:38 |
| n0ob_ | anyone can confirm this? | 20:39 |
| pupnik_ | Don't know.. I don't use the default media player on any os :) | 20:39 |
| melmoth | i dont use the default media plauer, nor the rss reader :) | 20:39 |
| xment | nothing against the n800 hardware or kernel (both well tuned) | 20:39 |
| melmoth | main use is a portable ssh client.works great. | 20:40 |
| xment | I upgraded from os2007 because of the unstable wifi driver | 20:40 |
| pupnik_ | For a media player i can recommend mplayer. Works great here. | 20:40 |
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| xment | pupnik_: yep, but I haven't found (yet) a gmplayer or any gui frontend | 20:41 |
| pupnik_ | xment: the standard mplayer has a frontend. The launcher is under 'extras'. | 20:41 |
| b0unc3 | xment: try canola | 20:41 |
| xment | pupnik_: doesn't work for audio files | 20:41 |
| xment | b0unc3: thank's | 20:42 |
| xment | s/'// | 20:42 |
| infobot | xment meant: b0unc3: thanks | 20:42 |
| pupnik_ | Yeah mplayer launcher doesn't pick up audio files | 20:42 |
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| xment | any suggestions where to get os2007-style xterm? | 20:43 |
| n0ob_ | are there buglists out there for the n810? | 20:44 |
| pupnik_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 20:44 |
| pupnik_ | xment: the osso-xterm-advanced? dunno. what does it have that you're missing from the os2008 version? | 20:45 |
| lcuk_2 | damn | 20:46 |
| lcuk_2 | out of ciggy papers | 20:46 |
| xment | pupnik_: ctrl! | 20:46 |
| lcuk_2 | wish i could just "apt-get rizla" | 20:46 |
| pupnik_ | ocb! :) | 20:46 |
| b0unc3 | lcuk_2: lol | 20:46 |
| pupnik_ | xment: at the bottom of my os2008 xterm i have esc, pgup, pgdn, tab and ctrl buttons | 20:47 |
| b0unc3 | yeah... me too... | 20:47 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik, that is the keyboard extensions - i havent got em on mine | 20:47 |
| lcuk | here | 20:47 |
| xment | pupnik_: ok, now try something like Ctrl-a Ctrl-b with on display keyboard | 20:47 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know how to get the onscreen keyboard up | 20:48 |
| |tbb| | pupnik: where is the pipe ;) | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | pup, you have 800 or 810? | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | tbb, your pipe is next to your slippers | 20:49 |
| xment | pupnik_: just click on the text area | 20:49 |
| b0unc3 | xment: I tried ctrl-c... seems to work... | 20:49 |
| pupnik_ | n810. nope that doesn't bring up keyboard, it hilights on N810 | 20:49 |
| lcuk_2 | xment, that doesnt work for me either - have 810 and disabled all onscreen.. however, i can get the CTRL box area at the bottom of screen - its meant to compliment and extend the 810 real keyboard | 20:49 |
| |tbb| | add a shortcut, called whatever with value bar | 20:49 |
| pupnik_ | btw for the pipe, use this http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 20:49 |
| xment | lcuk_2: ah, I'm using n800 with os2008 | 20:50 |
| lcuk_2 | sorry, not ctrl, its Chr | 20:50 |
| xment | on n800 it's really annoying, because the on screen keyboard hides everytime I click on Ctrl | 20:51 |
| pupnik_ | yeah there might be some rough edges still for os2008 on n800 | 20:51 |
| lcuk_2 | i think they pushed further with os2008 dev thinking it would be for the 810 only, but then decided to keep it compatible with 800 - obviously there appears to be problems between the implimentations | 20:52 |
| xment | os2007 for n800 was fine, but I couldn't get a stable wifi connection | 20:53 |
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| pupnik_ | xment: do you mean the maemo-hackers osso-xterm? | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/o/osso-xterm/ | 20:55 |
| xment | pupnik_: great, thanks | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | it's compiled for bora... i'll try building it for os2008 | 20:57 |
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| pupnik_ | argh, why doesn't scratchbox have ping | 20:59 |
| b0unc3 | pupnik_: apt-get install ping :) | 21:00 |
| pupnik_ | ok. well right now i screwed up my vmware network so i can only see local net | 21:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | hey, just noticed on maemo-hackers they have an updated page showing 25 most recent urls | 21:00 |
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| b0unc3 | why I can't install anything from terminal... :( | 21:02 |
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| xment | b0unc3: why so? | 21:03 |
| xment | b0unc3: broken sources.list? | 21:04 |
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| b0unc3 | xment: no... sources.list is ok... I get this error : E: Some packages could not be authenticated | 21:05 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry xment i can't build anything right now. maybe ask the maemo-hackers guys for a chinook build | 21:05 |
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| xment | pupnik_: that's ok, I'll probably downgrade to OS2007HE anyway | 21:07 |
| lcuk_2 | xment, then you are right about it being more like vista. people are downgrading from that as well ;) | 21:08 |
| xment | :)) | 21:08 |
| pupnik_ | that xterm ctl thing is an important bug xment. if you have a maemo.org account you should file a bugreport | 21:09 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh, to a file and i dont know how to remove it called --type=method_call | 21:10 |
| xment | pupnik_: ok | 21:10 |
| |tbb| | anyone know how to? | 21:11 |
| xment | |tbb|: rm -- --type=method_call | 21:11 |
| b0unc3 | rm ./--type=method_call | 21:11 |
| |tbb| | thx -- -- worked | 21:12 |
| Blafasel | Learn why that works! ;) | 21:13 |
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| crashanddie | dragorn, back from lunch yet ? | 21:15 |
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| LoCusF | I just gotta love laziness and technology :) | 21:17 |
| LoCusF | just shutdown my n810 via ssh'ing to my main machine via e51 and then ssh'd to my n810 and then ran shutdown -h now | 21:17 |
| xment | btw - n800 makes great external soundcard :) | 21:18 |
| xment | (esd -tcp -public) | 21:18 |
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| crashanddie | xment, that's a pretty sweet thought | 21:20 |
| lcuk_2 | straw poll: missus wants to know if she can use the 810 for mahjong, should i let her? | 21:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, sure | 21:20 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk_2: Depends on missus tendency to drop stuff. ;) | 21:23 |
| xment | or her addiction to mahjong | 21:23 |
| Blafasel | Good point | 21:23 |
| jott | ...or your addiction to the n810 ;P | 21:24 |
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| solmumaha | lcuk_2: you need more tablets | 21:24 |
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| lcuk_2 | lol she won anyway, "there is no way i will let little names on a screen decide, and if you dont give it me ill stab you with this sticky thing" | 21:24 |
| lcuk_2 | solmumaha, more? | 21:25 |
| jott | one for each person in your household ;) | 21:25 |
| Blafasel | lcuk_2: So she's bigger than you? | 21:25 |
| Blafasel | ;-p | 21:25 |
| jott | she has a sticky thing.. that can be dangerous | 21:25 |
| lcuk_2 | no blah, but she is more inventive about the uses for a stylus.. | 21:25 |
| lcuk_2 | blaf | 21:26 |
| solmumaha | one for each and one spare | 21:26 |
| lcuk_2 | im seriously thinking 800s all round | 21:26 |
| lcuk_2 | we dont need 4 gps's in the car with us | 21:26 |
| jott | you could probably increase accuracy with some nice tricks that way ;) | 21:27 |
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| xment | hmm I wonder why the default "File Open | 21:28 |
| xment | " dialog masks underlying filesystem | 21:28 |
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| xment | in the future it will cause some major inconsistencies like in vista | 21:28 |
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| xment | pupnik_: already reported | 21:32 |
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| pupnik810 | xchat and xterm on os2008 could use a better font | 21:38 |
| melmoth | there's xchat on os2008 ? | 21:39 |
| lcuk_2 | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 21:40 |
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| melmoth | thanks | 21:40 |
| * lcuk_2 saves GeneralAntilles the trouble | 21:40 | |
| lcuk_2 | as it says, its beta, but it appears to work very well | 21:40 |
| lcuk_2 | wow, maemo-hackers site is live updated | 21:41 |
| * lcuk_2 is impressed | 21:41 | |
| lcuk_2 | i only had that beta link because it was at the bottom of this list: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls | 21:41 |
| lcuk_2 | now i have re-posted it it is at the top | 21:42 |
| pupnik810 | courier iss lame | 21:44 |
| jott | pupnik810: terminus is the way to go ;) | 21:45 |
| pupnik810 | ta | 21:45 |
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| xment | hmm where's written what version/build of OS* I am currently using? Control Panel -> About product says unknown | 21:49 |
| lcuk_2 | if you goto Terminus, what happens to Trantor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminus_(planet) | 21:49 |
| kulve | xment: cat /etc/osso_software_version | 21:50 |
| xment | kulve: thanks | 21:50 |
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| pupnik810 | haha | 21:53 |
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| pupnik810 | somebody should package some useful fonts like terminus for extras | 21:59 |
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| jott | pupnik810: i've debs for terminus, but have not bothered getting extras write access yet.. | 22:07 |
| jott | pupnik810: btw have you done something to make dosbox support Fn key combinations on n810? | 22:08 |
| pupnik810 | can you share them pls? | 22:08 |
| pupnik810 | i promise to fix that tonight | 22:08 |
| jott | pupnik810: i've not much hosting space atm.. but i can put them online.. sec.. | 22:08 |
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| unique311 | pupnik810, YAWE http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/sets/72157603785864231/ | 22:09 |
| unique311 | YAWE = yet another working emulator | 22:09 |
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| LoCusF | wtf there is a os2008 port for dosbox? | 22:09 |
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| pupnik810 | loos great uniq | 22:11 |
| unique311 | LoCusF, maybe you phrased that wrong. | 22:11 |
| unique311 | dosbox running on os2008? | 22:11 |
| unique311 | working on pixel doubling. | 22:11 |
| unique311 | can't get that going yet. | 22:11 |
| unique311 | but speed is great on it, sound not too good. | 22:12 |
| LoCusF | unique311: oh cool | 22:12 |
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| pupnik810 | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 22:13 |
| proteous | ultima underworld with a stylus would be great | 22:13 |
| unique311 | LoCusF, i'm not working on dosbox. | 22:13 |
| pupnik810 | uw is pretty slow | 22:13 |
| LoCusF | unique311: yeah, knew that | 22:13 |
| unique311 | working on turbografx 16 | 22:14 |
| unique311 | cool | 22:14 |
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| pupnik810 | unique311 how is speed? | 22:14 |
| unique311 | really good. | 22:14 |
| pupnik810 | like fps | 22:14 |
| pupnik810 | ok | 22:14 |
| unique311 | one of the screenshots show it | 22:15 |
| unique311 | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/2220702885_6ec895d6f4.jpg?v=0 | 22:15 |
| unique311 | 39 on that one. | 22:15 |
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| unique311 | the 2 games i tried out were pretty fast. | 22:15 |
| unique311 | bomberman and double dragon | 22:15 |
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| unique311 | 38 fps running bomberman | 22:17 |
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| jott | pupnik810: deb http://sse2.net/maemo/ chinook user | 22:18 |
| jott | hope this works ;P | 22:18 |
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| jott | package is xfonts-terminus | 22:18 |
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| * jott needs soem serious hosting | 22:18 | |
| * lcuk_2 needs some hosting | 22:19 | |
| jott | pupnik810: have you done anything with the dosbox code yet? (i'm using just a vanilla sid backport now) | 22:20 |
| pupnik810 | yes there are fixes | 22:22 |
| pupnik810 | should appear in sid someday | 22:22 |
| unique311 | pupnik can i take a look at the source code one of your SDL game ports, that has pixel doubling code in it? | 22:22 |
| unique311 | 1 | 22:22 |
| jott | pupnik810: what have you fixed? ;) | 22:23 |
| unique311 | i followed the game port guide on maemo, and wasn't successful. | 22:23 |
| pupnik810 | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz | 22:24 |
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| pupnik810 | align probs | 22:24 |
| unique311 | thanks | 22:25 |
| pupnik810 | jotl just checkout latest dosbox | 22:25 |
| jott | pupnik810: kk | 22:26 |
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| jott | (as in cvs/svn i assume) | 22:26 |
| pupnik810 | yes | 22:26 |
| pupnik810 | do you have time to work on it jott? | 22:27 |
| pupnik810 | im still trying to find a good benchmark | 22:28 |
| jott | pupnik810: not much but i'll play around a bit and try to get the keys working | 22:28 |
| pupnik810 | ok ty | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | dragorn, what are gps-saver and gps-starter supposed to do ? | 22:29 |
| unique311 | going to give this doubling another try. | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | and does anyone know if there is a way to speed up the GPS lock times ? | 22:29 |
| pupnik810 | dont move device | 22:30 |
| dragorn | crashanddie: look at the guys site, I didn't write them | 22:30 |
| unique311 | pupnik810, speed is not going to be lost due to pixel doubling right? | 22:31 |
| pupnik810 | right | 22:31 |
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| lcuk_2 | pixel doubling is entirely on the LCD controller hardware isnt it | 22:32 |
| lcuk_2 | with just a flag to say using it or not | 22:32 |
| pupnik810 | not exactly | 22:34 |
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| lcuk_2 | is there actual work to do at the application end? as in proper data moving/reorganisation? | 22:35 |
| lcuk_2 | proper = full graphic bitmaps, vs a bit of init code | 22:35 |
| pupnik810 | well see the maemo-dev ml from april-may | 22:36 |
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| faye | Hi, My n800 lives on a mac network. Is there any way to get the n800 using .local names? | 22:41 |
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| xment | faye: what does it mean - .local names? | 22:53 |
| lcdd | link local mdns names | 22:55 |
| faye | What lcdd said | 22:56 |
| faye | Avahi can do lookups but maemo seems to lack libnss-mdns | 22:56 |
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| faye | Is there a repository for it? | 22:59 |
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| faye | ping: bad address 'mini.local' | 23:05 |
| faye | ~ $ ping mini.local | 23:05 |
| faye | Mini.local 192.168.0.2 | 23:05 |
| faye | ~ $ avahi-resolve-address -4 -n mini.local | 23:05 |
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| kala | just a clarification. even when I enable host-mode on the 770 USB port, I still cannot use USB flash memory and digital cameras directly, without some external power source? | 23:08 |
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