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| |tbb| | what drains the battery more, a constant lightend led or a blinking one 1 p/second | 00:04 |
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| BugBlue | a constant normally | 00:06 |
| Lurianic | depends on how much code is being used to turn it on and off :-) | 00:07 |
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| Blafasel | Is there documentation on the default led states of the N810 somewhere? | 00:18 |
| |tbb| | for example the mail arrived blinking led | 00:18 |
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| |tbb| | vi /etc/mce/mce.ini | 00:18 |
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| |tbb| | Blafasel there is some documented | 00:22 |
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| bmidgley | is anyone able to use the current maemo mapper on hack edition? | 01:15 |
| bmidgley | it can't connect to a bt gps | 01:15 |
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| Faye_p | Gah, i've lost all boxes on my n800 | 01:52 |
| Faye_p | And the arrows on menus | 01:52 |
| Faye_p | Os2008 | 01:53 |
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| Faye_p | Happened after rebooting to make videocenter work again | 01:54 |
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| Faye_p | Anyone had this? | 01:54 |
| Faye_p | No boxes on keyboard, lines on menu,, dropdowns.. Like the widgets are gone | 01:55 |
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| unique311 | why not restart. | 01:55 |
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| unique311 | restart, take 2 aspirins and call me in the morning. | 01:56 |
| Faye_p | It happened *after* a restart, and it doesn't fix it if I restart again | 01:56 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 01:57 |
| Faye_p | Bound to be sth i've installed | 01:57 |
| unique311 | what did you do prior to loosing all this, besides a restart. | 01:57 |
| unique311 | sth? | 01:57 |
| Faye_p | Short for somethiing | 01:57 |
| unique311 | try uninstalling the sth | 01:58 |
| Faye_p | You're a genius | 01:58 |
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| unique311 | i try | 01:59 |
| Faye_p | Video center, rtcomm beta uupdate, map while I was at it. | 01:59 |
| Faye_p | Don't tthink I can unninstall the last two | 01:59 |
| unique311 | yes | 02:00 |
| unique311 | i uninstalled the map before | 02:01 |
| unique311 | rtcomm beta, not sure. | 02:01 |
| unique311 | video center, definitely | 02:01 |
| unique311 | beta might be your problem. | 02:01 |
| Faye_p | Since they've replaced their os counterparts | 02:01 |
| unique311 | map comes installed with os2008 | 02:01 |
| unique311 | so that might not be the cause. | 02:01 |
| Faye_p | Yes iit does, and it's been buggiing me, sitting in updates all the time | 02:02 |
| unique311 | rtcomm BETA might. | 02:02 |
| Faye_p | Someone ellse has same u/g no prob. | 02:02 |
| * fysa is still on pre-christmas beta :/ | 02:02 | |
| Faye_p | I installleed and uninstalled openntpd | 02:03 |
| unique311 | uninstall all 3. | 02:03 |
| unique311 | can't hurt your device anymore than it already is hurting. | 02:03 |
| unique311 | hold on. | 02:04 |
| unique311 | i had this problem before | 02:04 |
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| unique311 | but it was with the browser only. | 02:04 |
| unique311 | someone in here helped me out. | 02:04 |
| Faye_p | Ok, what fixed it? | 02:04 |
| unique311 | beats me. | 02:04 |
| unique311 | they keep an irc log | 02:04 |
| Faye_p | Remembeer anytthing you said? | 02:05 |
| unique311 | browser missing scroll bar | 02:06 |
| Faye_p | Or whhen? So I can search? | 02:06 |
| Faye_p | K thanks | 02:06 |
| unique311 | Faye_p, I just remember having a similar problem and being helped. | 02:06 |
| unique311 | when, i don't know | 02:07 |
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| Faye_p | Today...is all it finds | 02:11 |
| proteous | man, that is deep | 02:11 |
| unique311 | searching also. | 02:11 |
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| unique311 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ <--- Faye_p | 02:13 |
| unique311 | search unique311 | 02:13 |
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| Faye_p | Yes scrolling thru that atm | 02:13 |
| Faye_p | Not found yyet | 02:14 |
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| Faye_p | You talk a lott unique311 | 02:18 |
| unique311 | lol | 02:18 |
| Faye_p | Still not found it | 02:18 |
| unique311 | nah | 02:18 |
| unique311 | looking also | 02:18 |
| unique311 | i do talk lots. | 02:18 |
| Faye_p | Emulatorss and voip | 02:19 |
| unique311 | but my problem was only with the browser, but it dealt with missing scrollbar. | 02:21 |
| unique311 | Faye_p, yes. I love the emus | 02:21 |
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| Faye_p | Searched the page for browser... Nothing | 02:25 |
| Faye_p | Nothing related anywaay :/ | 02:25 |
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| unique311 | found it | 02:27 |
| Faye_p | Aaha! | 02:27 |
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| unique311 | this is exactly what i said "which cuase the graphics on the webpage to be all fucked up on the right side.." | 02:27 |
| unique311 | considering i did a search for unique311, i cannot see who responded. ;) | 02:28 |
| Faye_p | Whaat day? | 02:29 |
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| unique311 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-07-12.log.html | 02:32 |
| unique311 | nobody responded to my comment on that day | 02:33 |
| Faye_p | Heh | 02:33 |
| lcuk_2 | unique311, sure they did, generalant answered you and then you got your scrollbart back: ok, so my scroll bar is back.. | 02:33 |
| lcuk_2 | took about 9 minutes | 02:33 |
| unique311 | cool | 02:34 |
| lcuk_2 | you just waited | 02:34 |
| unique311 | so the search should be done for generalant | 02:34 |
| lcuk_2 | faye, try what unique said originally and reboot device again, since you did installs and uninstalls and crap things might have been occuring post boot | 02:34 |
| unique311 | i was going up instead of down. | 02:34 |
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| Faye_p | Trying | 02:35 |
| unique311 | Faye_p, switch your theme | 02:35 |
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| unique311 | reboot and switch it back. | 02:35 |
| lcuk_2 | lol i think you can tell her that when she comes back | 02:35 |
| lcuk_2 | her problem does appear to be global theme related | 02:36 |
| unique311 | so which program you think is the culprit | 02:36 |
| unique311 | video center, The RTcomm BETA | 02:36 |
| unique311 | or the third which i forgot | 02:37 |
| unique311 | maps | 02:37 |
| lcuk_2 | hows it goin over there mr unique? did you get a look at the pixel doubling earlier? i dunno, but ive heard lots of bad things about rtcomm | 02:37 |
| unique311 | i suck at it | 02:37 |
| unique311 | can't seem to get it workign with the emu i'm working on | 02:37 |
| pupnik_ | what's it doing unique311 | 02:37 |
| unique311 | nothing really | 02:37 |
| unique311 | it compiles | 02:37 |
| pupnik_ | no doubling at all? | 02:37 |
| lcuk_2 | even a developer who sucks is a devoloper :P | 02:37 |
| unique311 | none | 02:37 |
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| unique311 | but thats the thing, i'm not a developer | 02:38 |
| unique311 | lol | 02:38 |
| pupnik_ | no warnings at link-time? | 02:38 |
| unique311 | none | 02:38 |
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| lcuk_2 | ok even someone who pretends they are a sucky developer .... | 02:38 |
| lcuk_2 | hey faye, you back (rtcomm didnt go that badly then...) | 02:38 |
| Faye_p | Reboot no go | 02:38 |
| Faye_p | No fix rather | 02:39 |
| unique311 | change themes | 02:39 |
| lcuk_2 | ok, unique said try changing the theme | 02:39 |
| pupnik_ | did the doubling work with the aliens demo program? | 02:39 |
| unique311 | reboot | 02:39 |
| unique311 | GeneralAntillesSwitch your theme06:14 | 02:39 |
| unique311 | GeneralAntillesreboot06:14 | 02:39 |
| unique311 | GeneralAntillesswitch back | 02:39 |
| lcuk_2 | since your problem appears to be all parts of the theme, something might have screwed up | 02:39 |
| Faye_p | Henrik, glasser & plankton no fix | 02:39 |
| unique311 | that was the fix for my browser issues | 02:39 |
| Faye_p | Ahhh | 02:39 |
| Faye_p | Will try again | 02:39 |
| Faye_p | Brb | 02:40 |
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| unique311 | pupnik_, yes | 02:40 |
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| pupnik_ | unique311: ok if the emu is using sdl page_flip, that will break it | 02:41 |
| unique311 | let me check | 02:41 |
| pupnik_ | and there are a few other things will break the doubling. | 02:41 |
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| unique311 | the SDL coding in it is different from what i'm seeing in aliens | 02:42 |
| pupnik_ | i wrote the music in 1993 btw :P | 02:43 |
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| unique311 | 93, wtf was i doing in 93 | 02:44 |
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| unique311 | Now i feel old. Thanks alot pupnik_ | 02:44 |
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| pupnik_ | better old than dead | 02:46 |
| Fayep | No, changed all 3 themes, rebooting between each | 02:46 |
| Fayep | Reflash may be my onlyy option | 02:47 |
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| unique311 | pupnik_, http://pastebin.ca/874009 | 02:47 |
| Fayep | Thanks for the help guys | 02:47 |
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| lcuk_2 | faye, can you get a screenshot of where its going wrong | 02:48 |
| unique311 | Fayep, apt-get dist-upgrade | 02:48 |
| Fayep | Really? | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | # | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | SDL_Flip(screen); | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | that's killing it | 02:48 |
| unique311 | Fayep, hey, if reflash is your only option, you cannot go wrong. | 02:48 |
| Fayep | Lolol | 02:48 |
| pupnik_ | wow it's using a straight memcpy to draw | 02:49 |
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| unique311 | is that good or bad? | 02:49 |
| unique311 | should i just remove that line, and see if it will work. | 02:50 |
| jott | pupnik_: i think, i have a working Fn key under SDL now. | 02:50 |
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| jott | not sure about regressions yet | 02:50 |
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| pupnik_ | woo | 02:50 |
| Fayep | Unique; some packages can't be authed | 02:51 |
| unique311 | or call the pixel doubling after sdl_flip(screen) is called | 02:51 |
| jott | pupnik_: http://sse2.net/libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 | 02:51 |
| pupnik_ | nah i think you're going to need to rewrite osd_gfx_put_image_normal(void) | 02:51 |
| jott | it's quite simple hack.. maybe this can be beautified.. hold on i'll prepare a patch | 02:52 |
| jott | dosbox additionaly needs the "usescancodes=false" and some tweaking of the mapper.txt | 02:53 |
| jott | but this is straight forward | 02:53 |
| unique311 | Fayep, SOL | 02:53 |
| unique311 | you can alway use the GOOGLE before you flash. | 02:53 |
| jott | but all apps using keysym should work.. scancodes can't really work by design .. if we do not make a REAL hack ;) | 02:53 |
| pupnik_ | yes scancodes=false | 02:53 |
| pupnik_ | did shifted keys work also jott? | 02:54 |
| jott | yes | 02:54 |
| jott | dosbox seems to work quite nice here now ;) | 02:54 |
| Fayep | If I don't coome bback.... | 02:55 |
| jott | i suppose other sdl apps should work too.. but still i'm not sure about possible regressions.. | 02:55 |
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| pupnik_ | i can help test. | 02:56 |
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| jott | http://sse2.net/sdl_fn_key_hack.diff | 02:57 |
| jott | that's the patch to the maemo sdl version | 02:57 |
| jott | it checks if Fn is pressed and then uses the right keysym lookup table index | 02:58 |
| pupnik_ | wow nice job | 02:58 |
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| jott | it was educational as i learned more about xlib and it's event handling ;) | 02:59 |
| jott | anyway.. you can check the binary if you like and test it for regressions.. | 02:59 |
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| jott | i suppose the only real problem are situations where the Fn (AltGr) key is bound to something exclusive | 03:00 |
| jott | but even this should not be a big problem | 03:00 |
| pupnik_ | will do right away. i don't understand yet how it requires changes to dosbox keymapper.txt | 03:00 |
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| jott | oh.. only because of the usescancodes=false | 03:00 |
| jott | the ö ä ü keys are not working.. (maybe it's even only a problem with a german layout) | 03:01 |
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| jott | so just tweaking .. | 03:01 |
| pupnik_ | i also have a german layout. those keys aren't top priority for dosbox, i think :) | 03:02 |
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| jott | oh i mapped them to the us keys ;) | 03:03 |
| jott | as : is missing .. and that's critical ;) | 03:04 |
| jott | (as shift . = >) | 03:04 |
| jott | but anyway i suppose this might only be a problem for non-us layouts ;) | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | I'm a little unclear on this. Doesn't X handle the keyboard layout localisation and pass correct keys to sdl? | 03:04 |
| jott | yes.. and dosbox makes it's own mapping.. | 03:05 |
| pupnik_ | ok right | 03:05 |
| jott | you could probably write a keyboard tsr driver ;) | 03:05 |
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| jott | or find an old one ;) | 03:05 |
| pupnik_ | that's what i was thinking we had to do anyway - just take SDL's keys verbatim and not remap | 03:06 |
| dolske | Is there a way to bring up the onscreen keyboard on a N810? | 03:06 |
| jott | yeah well the mapping.txt works quite nice. even tought it might not be generic | 03:06 |
| jott | http://sse2.net/mapper.txt that's what i got atm.. (derived from your mapper.txt) | 03:07 |
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| pupnik_ | argh. we are going to need to write mapper.txt for every language? | 03:09 |
| jott | possibly.. but i have similar problems on my desktop with dosbox and non us layouts | 03:10 |
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| jott | pupnik_: hm anyway, i think my patch should fix other SDL apps using the keysym stuff for event handling... | 03:14 |
| jott | there where some others having problems, right? | 03:14 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 03:14 |
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| pupnik_ | jott: at dosbox prompt type keyb gr | 03:31 |
| jott | aah yeah.. now i remember this one ;) | 03:32 |
| pupnik_ | well it fixes the . : but the fn combos are broken | 03:32 |
| pupnik_ | i'm getting some problems with 'stuck key' and repeats | 03:33 |
| jott | mh | 03:33 |
| pupnik_ | ok problem happens when fn key is pressed, then number key, then fn released before the number key is released | 03:33 |
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| pupnik_ | not sure if this is something that can be 'fixed' cleanly | 03:34 |
| pupnik_ | maybe a 'release all keydowns when fn key is released' | 03:35 |
| jott | hmm yeah.. wonder if it is dosbox specific | 03:35 |
| jott | hmm i'll test it with my simple test app ;) | 03:35 |
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| jott | atleast in a regular sdl event loop this does not happen.. | 03:37 |
| jott | anyway.. maybe we can fix this | 03:37 |
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| jott | hmm yeah i suppose a fix in the libsdl layer is not that trivial.. | 03:43 |
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| pupnik_ | it would be something like 1) detect FN keydown 2) store next keydown if FN is still down 3) if FN key is released, release the stored key | 03:45 |
| lcdd | cool. i didn't expect video from mit world to work on the tablet | 03:45 |
| pupnik_ | because otherwise you will not detect a keyup event on that key | 03:46 |
| jott | something like that.. but there are a couple of abstraction layers inbetween .. | 03:46 |
| jott | (my patch currently sits in X11_TranslateKey) | 03:46 |
| pupnik_ | yes. it's not crucial. users can learn to release key before releasing fn. | 03:47 |
| jott | maybe the X11_TranslateKey could be enhanced such that it remembers the Fn key.. | 03:47 |
| jott | pupnik_: yeah i also think its more important to have the keys at all for now ;) | 03:47 |
| jott | but still it's something one will see sooner or later and depending on the application based event handling it can have ugly side effects | 03:47 |
| pupnik_ | maybe there are other solutions, but afaict one needs to store state of FN key and last-key-pressed-while-fn-key-depressed somewhere | 03:51 |
| jott | yeah something like that would also be my first idea. | 03:51 |
| jott | and you can also trigger more than one key-down event at once ;/ | 03:53 |
| jott | like press 1-2-3-4 at the same time .. | 03:53 |
| pupnik_ | ok true | 03:54 |
| jott | those things are a bit more sophisticated to do right i guess ;) | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | dosbox only cares about last one pressed, but other apps might care about them all | 03:54 |
| jott | yeah.. well it's clearly a hack for now.. but i think there is no really good solution without changing quite a few parts in the SDL X11 part.. | 03:56 |
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| xment | btw any way how to change os2008's xterm fg/bg color? (not only bg) | 03:59 |
| jott | xment: go to the font settings | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | jott i think it's important to implement your patch *now* in the official OS2008 libSDL | 03:59 |
| jott | (in the xterm) | 03:59 |
| xment | oh, that's nasty | 04:00 |
| xment | jott: thanks | 04:00 |
| jott | np.. | 04:00 |
| jott | pupnik_: yeah.. well maybe in a bit less hacky way? ;)... | 04:01 |
| jott | maybe there is even a real clean and trivial solution ;) | 04:01 |
| pupnik_ | you would know better than me. maybe a post to the maemo-dev mailling list is in order | 04:01 |
| pupnik_ | or bugs.maemo.org | 04:02 |
| jott | yeah.. i guess bugs.maemo.org is the appropiate place | 04:02 |
| jott | or check with the sdl guys.. | 04:02 |
| jott | don't really know whom to blame for this.. | 04:02 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: jott: Guys, you seem to know what you are talking about. Do you think we will ever see povervr on n8x0 ? | 04:04 |
| jott | spirytusick: i doubt there will be an official driver.. | 04:05 |
| spirytusick | jott: pitty :( such a waste of core space :( | 04:05 |
| jott | but it's not entirely impossible to hack some foreign driver to use the n8x0 lcd... | 04:06 |
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| spirytusick | jott: is the lcd controller that bad ? | 04:06 |
| jott | depends what you call bad.. but it has serious bandwith problems.. | 04:07 |
| jott | width. | 04:07 |
| lcuk_2 | jott, the lcd controller is the only part which has direct access to the screen, coupled with the (summised) limited resolution of powervr (640*480) makes for anything built using a cludge | 04:07 |
| jott | lcuk_2: that's the reason why i doubt an official driver.. | 04:08 |
| lcuk_2 | you would have to render to the internal framebuffer on the 2420 then copy out of there onto the lcd | 04:08 |
| lcuk_2 | yer same here | 04:08 |
| jott | but still there would be ways to push the framebuffer from the powervr to the lcd controller.. | 04:08 |
| jott | yep | 04:08 |
| jott | that's what i was thinking about .. | 04:08 |
| spirytusick | jott: wouldn't it be slower anyway ? | 04:08 |
| jott | sure.. | 04:08 |
| lcuk_2 | its not like nokia (a) cant afford drivers, (b) doesnt have skill to do it - its already in symbian devices on other nseries devices. | 04:08 |
| pupnik_ | nokia might not want to have open-source emus and games compete with n-gage | 04:09 |
| jott | lcuk_2: but all the nseries devices have no intermediate lcd controller.. | 04:09 |
| pupnik_ | right | 04:09 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: I suppose you might be right with this one | 04:10 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: however as of this moment n-gage platform is sort of non-existent yet | 04:10 |
| lcuk_2 | spiry, depends on how hard you are working the 3d. for every frame you would have a time delta N ontop of any hardware 3d rendering. software rendering can allow so many operations in same timeframe, if the 3d part can do more then its a winner | 04:10 |
| lcuk_2 | jott thats because they are lower resultion | 04:10 |
| jott | lcuk_2: i know. | 04:11 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: and judging by the quality of games available as demos, I would rather play the 3rd party emus | 04:11 |
| lcuk_2 | :) | 04:11 |
| pupnik_ | powervr would be a godsend for a psx emulator | 04:11 |
| jott | anyway.. the powervr is quite fast.. | 04:11 |
| jott | and it would definitely bring a perfomance boost to anything 3d related.. | 04:11 |
| spirytusick | lcuk_2: I suppose it would still be possible to use it for quick scaling/flitering | 04:11 |
| lcuk_2 | yer if you can fill it up and make use of it it will be beneficial | 04:11 |
| jott | so it would run with with pixel doubleing enabled etc.. | 04:12 |
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| lcuk_2 | i would be happy running in 640*480 no doubling | 04:12 |
| jott | lcuk_2: yeah.. but then again this might cause bandwith trouble... | 04:12 |
| jott | anyway.. | 04:12 |
| jott | TI took the driver from their page :( | 04:13 |
| |tbb| | what does that mean -> Requested IAP is not connected and timed flag is set | 04:13 |
| spirytusick | well even 400x240 with doubling would not be so bad as long as it was accelerated | 04:13 |
| jott | spirytusick: i totally agree.. | 04:13 |
| lcuk_2 | how about *ANYTHING* would be good so long as we used the hardware on the device which we paid for... | 04:13 |
| jott | well given some effort there have to be ways to do this i suppose.. | 04:13 |
| spirytusick | and if we could get accelerated composite extension, then some os2008 home applets might even become usable | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | to be honest i wouldnt care if it was slower, i just want to see it working | 04:14 |
| jott | yeah any us citizen want to file a class action lawsuite? ;) | 04:14 |
| smackpotato | does the n810 have any hidden hardware. like an accelerometer for example | 04:14 |
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| lcuk_2 | lol jott | 04:14 |
| spirytusick | jott: agree | 04:14 |
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| roue | hola | 04:15 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/01/22/htc-chimes-in-on-video-driver-controversy/ | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | i am betting that the n9x0 will have no choice in the market but to provide opengl es | 04:15 |
| lcuk_2 | you mean like this... | 04:15 |
| spirytusick | lcuk_2: btw, it would also make it nice and easy to build future plus opengl es apps which would then fly on some not yet revealed beast of a tablet in the future | 04:15 |
| jott | http://www.htcclassaction.org/ they even have a webpage ;) | 04:15 |
| jott | lets register internettabletclassaction.org ;) | 04:16 |
| lcuk_2 | jott i know, i immediately saw the parallels | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | i think legally, you only paid for the functionality advertised | 04:16 |
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| jott | pupnik_: hey an omap2420 was advertised ;P | 04:17 |
| lcuk_2 | but since i am in uk i should sit back with a cup of tea and play golf or something and not care that the hardware in front of me is in the stone ages | 04:17 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: everything is relative :) especialy with lawyers :) | 04:17 |
| lcuk_2 | no, i paid for a nokia n series device which runs on the omap 2420 mobile chipset which incororates powervr graphics (*like the rest of the nokia n series*) | 04:18 |
| smackpotato | it's not a 2420? | 04:18 |
| pupnik_ | anyway with the pandora coming out, i think the market will heat up... http://openpandora.ca | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | 2420 contains the powervr rendering unit | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | which is what i have | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | *pet peeve...* | 04:19 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: one ugly brick, but featurewise looks good... | 04:19 |
| jott | pupnik_: is this a real planned project or just some geek fantasy? ;) | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | real | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | and a geek fantasy | 04:20 |
| jott | heh | 04:20 |
| lcuk_2 | arghhhhh - pandora still doesnt have single press tab key or pipe ;) | 04:21 |
| lcuk_2 | specs are amazing tho.. | 04:21 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: the pages about it are extremely vague and look unfinished. Is there a release date ? | 04:21 |
| jott | lcuk_2: write a mail before its too late ;) | 04:21 |
| jott | they still have time to edit the 3d model ;) | 04:21 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 04:22 |
| czr | hey all | 04:22 |
| lcuk_2 | and esc should be on its own | 04:22 |
| lcuk_2 | hi cz | 04:22 |
| jott | and a big red button is missing! | 04:22 |
| czr | lcuk_2, how's the fur thing coming along? | 04:22 |
| spirytusick | lcuk_2: and it does not have 'any' key too... | 04:22 |
| lcuk_2 | :P | 04:22 |
| pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=TFhhctm9LqY there's one of the analog controllers jott | 04:23 |
| lcuk_2 | i think the big buttons cater for press me now | 04:23 |
| jott | i wonder if they really plan to put all the extension ports on the front ;) | 04:23 |
| lcuk_2 | why "power" and "dc-in"? | 04:24 |
| pupnik_ | that's being debated. they will probably put the dual-sd slots in front and connectors in the rear now | 04:24 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: and a toaster on the side ? :) | 04:24 |
| spirytusick | too good to be true... | 04:25 |
| spirytusick | but if it happens I will gladly swap... | 04:25 |
| lcuk_2 | its fantasy, but the analog looks like | 04:25 |
| lcuk_2 | i wonder if you could hack it onto 810 | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | they're at the prototyping stage now | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | have dev boards already | 04:26 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: so we looking at at least 5-7 months minimum | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | i'm betting on may | 04:27 |
| spirytusick | guys been wondering about it for some time now | 04:27 |
| jott | pupnik_: who is funding this? | 04:27 |
| spirytusick | is there possible to write a library that will ease up porting the stuff from gp2x community ? | 04:28 |
| spirytusick | what are the main obstacles there ?\ | 04:28 |
| lcuk_2 | touchscreen on a laptop like unsupported screen doesnt work too well, people expect a slate or something. the 810 has a problem when lay flat and using touch - it rocks backwards when you press top of screen | 04:29 |
| pupnik_ | worked ok on my psion 5mx | 04:29 |
| jott | spirytusick: i suppose nobody really tried it hard enough yet.. | 04:30 |
| lcuk_2 | fair enough, its just annoying when it moves cos cursor slips | 04:30 |
| pupnik_ | jott i don't know much more, and some of what i know is NDA | 04:30 |
| spirytusick | jott: thanks, pitty I am not a coder... | 04:30 |
| pupnik_ | jott, want to work on drpocketsnes next? | 04:31 |
| shackan | pupnik_: WOW, that's awesome | 04:31 |
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| jott | pupnik_: write a gp2x emulator?! ;) | 04:31 |
| jott | or gp2x compatible chroot ;) | 04:32 |
| pupnik_ | jott: well i started mashing drpocketsnes core into snes9x frontend | 04:32 |
| shackan | pupnik_: is it meant for gaming (like the gp2x) or browsing (like the NITs) ? I see a lot of estate wasted on game controls.. :( | 04:33 |
| jott | oh gp2x is kernel 2.4? yieks.. | 04:33 |
| pupnik_ | and like 80 hours later i have http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz | 04:33 |
| pupnik_ | shackan: gaming. other linux stuff is an afterthought, but hopefully they'll run debian armel | 04:33 |
| shackan | pupnik_: oh, shame | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6954 jott | 04:34 |
| jott | is this drpocketsnes the best snes oss emulator at the moment? | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | for ARM yes | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/snes9x there's the stock snes9x | 04:35 |
| jott | a shame the n810 dpad sucks for gaming :( | 04:36 |
| pupnik_ | can be good enough for RPGs | 04:36 |
| jott | indeed | 04:36 |
| shackan | who cares about games anyway :P | 04:36 |
| jott | shackan: hey it's about porting games not about playing them ;> | 04:36 |
| johnx | shackan, pupnik cares about games :P | 04:36 |
| pupnik_ | so true | 04:36 |
| shackan | pupnik_: that analog controller, doesn't look very durable :D | 04:37 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: are you still working on GemRB ? | 04:37 |
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| pupnik_ | it's not on the short list of things to do spirytusick | 04:38 |
| pupnik_ | give it a try on the PC first | 04:38 |
| spirytusick | well most action games do not play well on the tablets, but the turn based strategies, and I supporse the rts should play quite well, rpg also should work out nicely | 04:38 |
| johnx | tetris is ok | 04:38 |
| spirytusick | pupnik_: I will, although it's a little beside the point as I could probably run the games natively | 04:38 |
| jott | openttd runs nice too ;) | 04:39 |
| johnx | if I could get the bindings better for ltris I'd be happy with it | 04:39 |
| spirytusick | jott: it runs superb, true true true... | 04:39 |
| spirytusick | wesnoth is also excellent albeit a little slow | 04:39 |
| spirytusick | but it is a wonder it works on the tablet anyway | 04:39 |
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| spirytusick | all: guys (and perhaps some ladies) have a good night... going to hit the bed... | 04:45 |
| pupnik_ | jott: did you build dosbox? i'm getting segfaults on exit | 04:45 |
| lcuk_2 | whats it done to you? | 04:45 |
| pupnik_ | cu spirytusick | 04:45 |
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| jott | pupnik_: hmm not seen them yet.. (and yes i've my own build from todays cvs) | 04:46 |
| pupnik_ | sheez. it's only 3:46 AM here | 04:46 |
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| pupnik_ | oki | 04:46 |
| pupnik_ | jott, you might get better performance with flags -03 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp | 04:47 |
| jott | aye.. thanks | 04:47 |
| jott | have you done benchmarks with -O2 vs your options? | 04:48 |
| jott | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html (considering those thoughts) | 04:48 |
| pupnik_ | well... i haven't found much maths | 04:50 |
| pupnik_ | there is some dodgy floating-poitn in the sample-rate conversion | 04:50 |
| pupnik_ | and the speaker emulation is messed up - at the buffer boundaries there are clicks | 04:50 |
| pupnik_ | i think that doom -timedemo can yield a good benchmark, if you make the screen smaller than default | 04:51 |
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| pupnik_ | also using mips.com and norton si and pc 'checkit' for core/memory tests, but i don't know how good those are | 04:52 |
| jott | yeah synthetic but should give some coarse approximation | 04:52 |
| pupnik_ | dosbox guys suggest setting the cpu cycles to 'max' and then printf-ing/cout-ing the cycles chosen | 04:52 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=28490 also jott, if you have any success with gcc's -fprofile-generate please let me know - haven't gotten profile-use to accept the results yet | 04:58 |
| jott | you could also use valgrind (cachegrind) | 04:58 |
| pupnik_ | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/valgrind | 04:59 |
| pupnik_ | and then there's this | 04:59 |
| pupnik_ | http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile | 04:59 |
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| fysa | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html | 05:00 |
| fysa | That is an amazing piece of work. | 05:00 |
| pupnik_ | yes, the 'state saving' could be super-useful for dosbox :P | 05:00 |
| fysa | lots of good things there. | 05:01 |
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| jott | pupnik_: did you have any mouse issues with dosbox? | 05:02 |
| pupnik_ | yes, dosbox mouse needs to be tweaked to use the screen like a laptop touchpad | 05:03 |
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| pupnik_ | only relative motion is possible with DOS mouse drivers, afaik | 05:03 |
| jott | yieks..hmm | 05:03 |
| pupnik_ | unlike say, macintosh which can accept an absolute poitner position | 05:03 |
| jott | yepp.. | 05:03 |
| jott | as you say it.. this sounds familiar | 05:03 |
| jott | haven't really used dos for ages ;) | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | the problem then is how to implement mouse clicks | 05:06 |
| pupnik_ | either tap-and-hold, or a button press | 05:06 |
| pupnik_ | however, one 'good' thing is that most mouse-driven games run too slow anyway | 05:07 |
| fysa | I'm trying to install libsdl-ttf in a SB2, but sb2 apt-get -f install complains about x11 dependencies. What am I missing? Or do I need to apt-get source it? | 05:07 |
| jott | hehe i wanted to use deluxepaint ii ;) | 05:07 |
| fysa | jott: UAE works | 05:07 |
| fysa | and DeluxePaint for it is very nice. | 05:07 |
| jott | ah yeah wort a try | 05:08 |
| fysa | (is the mouse fixed?) | 05:08 |
| jott | worth | 05:08 |
| johnx | fysa, does it depend on X11 or recommend it? | 05:08 |
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| fysa | actually, there's an entire slew - "Depends: linux-kernel-headers but it is not going to be installed" | 05:10 |
| johnx | that's really unfortunate :/ | 05:10 |
| fysa | what is something that should certainly install that I could test? | 05:10 |
| johnx | nano | 05:10 |
| johnx | or helloworld | 05:11 |
| fysa | something must not be setup right. | 05:11 |
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| pupnik_ | you can install ignoring dependencies by downloading the file and using dpkg -i <package>.deb | 05:13 |
| fysa | it's basically complaining about everything in the system. | 05:14 |
| fysa | pastebin | 05:14 |
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| fysa | http://pastebin.com/m584023d1 | 05:17 |
| ywwg | where's the API docs for the maemo online/offline pop-up-dialog-to-get-me-online stuff? | 05:18 |
| ywwg | I forget what it's called and I can't find it on the site | 05:18 |
| johnx | fysa, what happens if you run apt-get -f install as it suggests? | 05:18 |
| johnx | or also: apt-cache policy libc6 | 05:19 |
| fysa | same thing. this is from: sb2 apt-get -f install nano | 05:21 |
| johnx | so apt-get -f install with no packages basically says it can't install anything? | 05:22 |
| johnx | yeah, your package system is probably very broken | 05:22 |
| johnx | can I have a link to the guide you followed? | 05:23 |
| fysa | there we go. "sb2 apt-get -f install" alone -- they're all downloading now. | 05:23 |
| johnx | woo! | 05:24 |
| fysa | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html | 05:25 |
| pupnik_ | bbbl. it's beertime. huge thanks johnx. | 05:25 |
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| johnx | 'later | 05:25 |
| johnx | have fun | 05:25 |
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| smackpotato | is there any extra hardware devices on the n810 | 05:44 |
| jott | ?! | 05:45 |
| johnx | extra with regards to what? | 05:46 |
| johnx | for example, compared to a toaster the N810 has one (1) extra OMAP2420 with vector floating point but lacks two (2) bread slots | 05:47 |
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| db48x | smackpotato: I'm not sure if this is what you're interested in, but the OMAP2420 chip has a PowerVR core that isn't used by the n810 | 06:21 |
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| kupesoft | Any good tutorials for USB/OTG for the n800? | 07:20 |
| kupesoft | re: I have aircrack-ng and a usb wifi dongle in mind | 07:20 |
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| bmidgley | are there apps out there to use gps and wifi signal strengths to create a wifi ap map? | 07:25 |
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| johnx | bmidgley, kismet should do it | 07:34 |
| bmidgley | johnx ok that looked promising except finding a package | 07:35 |
| johnx | the bora package should work I've heard | 07:36 |
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| kupesoft | What cable to I need for OTG, I'm in Canada (re: shipping) | 07:52 |
| johnx | kupesoft, n800 or n810? | 07:52 |
| kupesoft | n800 | 07:53 |
| kupesoft | johnx: ^^ | 07:53 |
| johnx | hmm, and you want it to automatically enable host mode or you don't care? | 07:53 |
| kupesoft | I can manually enable it via command, doesn't make a difference | 07:54 |
| kupesoft | s/via command/via command line/ | 07:54 |
| infobot | kupesoft meant: I can manually enable it via command line, doesn't make a difference | 07:54 |
| kupesoft | infobot: ^^ (: | 07:54 |
| johnx | then you can get a mini-b to a, then a female to female adapter | 07:56 |
| johnx | someone on here found one that automagically enabled host mode though | 07:56 |
| johnx | let me dig through the logs | 07:56 |
| kupesoft | It has to do with shorting some wires or something | 07:57 |
| kupesoft | johnx: Have you got aircrack-ng compiled for OS2008? | 07:57 |
| pupnikafk | well i have to say arm and omap are wonderful things | 07:58 |
| johnx | kupesoft, never tried | 07:58 |
| pupnikafk | and may every employee of Intel rot in the pits of hell for all eternity | 07:58 |
| pupnikafk | good morning! | 07:58 |
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| jga23 | how do i flush dns? my hosts changes arnt working | 08:07 |
| zoran | heh? | 08:08 |
| zoran | u mean arp? | 08:08 |
| johnx | kupesoft, Cptnodegard apparently found something that worked | 08:08 |
| kupesoft | johnx: For a automagic OTG cable or for compiling aircrack-ng? | 08:09 |
| johnx | for auto-OTG cable | 08:09 |
| kupesoft | s/a /an / | 08:09 |
| infobot | kupesoft meant: johnx: For an automagic OTG cable or for compiling aircrack-ng? | 08:09 |
| kupesoft | I love that! | 08:09 |
| johnx | I think it was a 5-pin mini-b | 08:09 |
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| jga23 | zoran: how do i flush arp? | 08:10 |
| zoran | unpower the router | 08:10 |
| johnx | and then you use a female-A to female-A adapter with it | 08:10 |
| johnx | jga23, specifically what is not reacting to the changes in your hosts file? | 08:10 |
| johnx | jga23, if it's a web browser you might need to restart it | 08:11 |
| jga23 | just added an entry and when i ping it, its not showing the correct ip | 08:11 |
| zoran | more details? | 08:11 |
| zoran | what is you net? | 08:11 |
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| jga23 | nm, got it | 08:12 |
| johnx | what was the problem? | 08:12 |
| jga23 | closed the webbrowser | 08:12 |
| zoran | cash? | 08:13 |
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| johnx | :) that's what I figured | 08:14 |
| jga23 | :) | 08:14 |
| Savago | is there a Python guy out there? | 08:15 |
| Savago | I have 1 question about BlueZ. | 08:15 |
| Savago | More specifically, on bluetooth.lookup_name. | 08:16 |
| Savago | I got 1 piece of code that works fine in my notebook, but fails when running in N810. | 08:17 |
| zoran | u have all modules added? | 08:17 |
| Savago | zoran, could you explain what you mean by 'modules'? I don't get it. | 08:19 |
| zoran | some added libs to have your ported script work | 08:20 |
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| Savago | zoran, I only use 'bluetooth' library. | 08:21 |
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| zoran | probably maemo port is not so extensive as on your desktop | 08:21 |
| Savago | Can I post the code here? Its only 7 LOCs. | 08:21 |
| zoran | I had to add some libs for getmail and some other simple scripts | 08:21 |
| zoran | have some error message? | 08:21 |
| Savago | Nopes. | 08:22 |
| Savago | lookup_name returns None. | 08:22 |
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| Savago | Where I was expecting to return the 'human readable' device name. | 08:22 |
| zoran | so, no python problem? | 08:22 |
| zoran | look_up means $HOST ? | 08:23 |
| Savago | Maybe I forgot something, but it seem rather strange that all calls to lookup_name return None. | 08:23 |
| Savago | zoran, yep. | 08:23 |
| zoran | I found it strangely done on my 770 | 08:23 |
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| zoran | and I didn't make succes changing some variables | 08:24 |
| Savago | Say you have a computer (named 'foobie') that has a BT address (00:xx:xx:xx:xx), the lookup_name returns 'foobie' when you supply the address. | 08:24 |
| zoran | probably busybox problem | 08:24 |
| Savago | This is the code: | 08:24 |
| Savago | <flood> | 08:24 |
| Savago | import bluetooth | 08:25 |
| Savago | devices = bluetooth.find_service(name = 'Audio Source') | 08:25 |
| Savago | def print_name(mac): | 08:25 |
| Savago | for i in range(10): | 08:25 |
| Savago | name = bluetooth.lookup_name(mac) | 08:25 |
| Savago | print u'i = ' + str(i) + ' res = ' + str(name) | 08:25 |
| Savago | print_name(devices[0]['host']) | 08:25 |
| Savago | </flood> | 08:25 |
| Savago | If you have a Linux box near (say, Ubuntu) and run this code, it was supposed to print your box name. | 08:25 |
| zoran | found function of the same name on maemo? | 08:26 |
| Savago | zoran, yeps. | 08:26 |
| zoran | maybe it should be tweaked to match maemo $HOST | 08:26 |
| Savago | zoran, what do you mean by tweaked? | 08:27 |
| zoran | I also got blank on that call | 08:27 |
| Savago | Do you mean that maemo python binding for bluez is incomplete? | 08:27 |
| zoran | maybe | 08:27 |
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| zoran | what if you try it with bash? | 08:27 |
| Savago | This is what I got running it in my notebook: | 08:28 |
| zoran | I meanth on maemo | 08:28 |
| Savago | python t.py | 08:28 |
| Savago | i = 0 res = zv64-0 | 08:28 |
| zoran | there was a port of bash, called bash-m | 08:29 |
| Savago | I'm running it over ssh. | 08:29 |
| zoran | after simple "bash" it should read variables | 08:29 |
| zoran | Savago, you use ash over ssh | 08:29 |
| zoran | built in shell for busybox | 08:30 |
| Savago | Do you mean that the code will not run correctly If I try to execute it logged in my N810 using ssh? | 08:30 |
| zoran | Savago, the very shell could be the problem | 08:31 |
| zoran | on maemo | 08:31 |
| Savago | this doesn't make sense. | 08:31 |
| zoran | culd you try to install bash and try out? | 08:31 |
| zoran | or tcsh if possible | 08:31 |
| Savago | yeah, why not... At this late night, what can I miss? :-) | 08:32 |
| zoran | Savago, as I see, the device was not intended for you and me and all those folks on the channel, but for multimedia kids | 08:32 |
| zoran | so, don't be surprised | 08:33 |
| johnx | zoran, maybe I'm missing something, but what does $HOST have to do with the bluetooth device name? | 08:33 |
| zoran | u mean mac address? | 08:34 |
| johnx | er...no | 08:34 |
| zoran | dunno how the variable is set | 08:34 |
| johnx | the name that you set in the bluetooth control panel applet | 08:34 |
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| Savago | could anyone else try to run the code in your device? Maybe its a caveat in my Python install. | 08:35 |
| johnx | sure, in a sec | 08:35 |
| Savago | johnx, just make sure that you have 1 linux box with bluetooth plugged in. | 08:35 |
| johnx | ok | 08:36 |
| Savago | and also, make it visible to other devices. | 08:36 |
| truent | Savago, this is the 810? | 08:36 |
| Savago | truent, yep. I'm trying to run it in N810. | 08:36 |
| truent | dunno of any bluetooth library like that.. i've used 'bluez' library | 08:36 |
| truent | you can get remote devices, set device name, make discoverable/connectable etc.. by way of dbus | 08:37 |
| truent | and python (though i use ruby) has a good dbus implementation | 08:37 |
| Savago | truent, to make use of sockets to exchange data between BT devices, you need to use BlueZ. | 08:38 |
| truent | ahh you mean bluetooth? | 08:38 |
| truent | library | 08:38 |
| truent | havent done that | 08:39 |
| truent | whatcha tryin to do? not that i can be of any help at this point, im just curious ;) | 08:39 |
| Savago | Ah... nothing... (wink, wink). | 08:39 |
| truent | very well then | 08:40 |
| pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=UUwUDoC3vc4 [ YouTube - GemRB Baldur's Gate 2 on on Nokia N810 ] | 08:40 |
| Savago | Actually, I'm trying to port one soft to Maemo. | 08:40 |
| johnx | Savago, it disconnects my bluetooth headphones then says: list index out of range | 08:41 |
| johnx | http://pastebin.ca/874360 | 08:41 |
| Savago | johnx, are you using a bluetooth headphones? | 08:41 |
| johnx | yes | 08:41 |
| johnx | maybe I copied it wrong | 08:42 |
| Savago | It was supposed to run when both devices (computer + n810) are not using headphones. | 08:42 |
| johnx | http://pastebin.ca/874361 | 08:42 |
| Savago | I forgot to tell you, sorry. | 08:42 |
| johnx | Savago, well I tested it on my ubuntu box actually | 08:42 |
| johnx | my tablet isn't booted into ITOS right now | 08:42 |
| Savago | ah, ok. | 08:43 |
| Savago | But this code was supposed to run in the device. | 08:43 |
| Savago | For my test in my Ubuntu box, I used another bluetooth service running in another box. | 08:43 |
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| johnx | rebooting tablet anyways, so I'll give it a shot | 08:44 |
| Savago | thanks a lot, dude! | 08:45 |
| johnx | sure | 08:45 |
| johnx | can I have a *little* clue about what your trying to do overall or is it a secret? | 08:45 |
| Savago | johnx, no secret at all. | 08:46 |
| Savago | I wish to being able to list the nearby BT devices using the 'human readable' name. | 08:46 |
| Savago | Instead of using 'xx:xx:xx:xx' addresses to represent each external device. | 08:46 |
| Savago | And the soft I'm trying to port has nothing to do with sound at all (I just choose this BT service because is available in any Ubuntu box). | 08:49 |
| johnx | ah | 08:50 |
| johnx | got my hopes up :P | 08:50 |
| johnx | anyways, I ran it on my tablet | 08:50 |
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| johnx | I could put the results on pastebin but they're all: i = 0 res = None | 08:50 |
| johnx | only thing that changes is i = 0-9 | 08:50 |
| Savago | hum... so it seems that it fails on your device too. | 08:51 |
| johnx | yup. that's with a fresh install of python2.5-runtime | 08:52 |
| Savago | Are you are of any python app that makes uses of BT and run in the maemo device? | 08:52 |
| Savago | Maybe I can have a glimpse in the source code and have a clue of what I'm missing. | 08:53 |
| johnx | I really can't think of anything off the top of my head | 08:54 |
| Savago | Well, I will try to google it. Anyway, thanks a lot! :-) | 08:54 |
| johnx | sure | 08:54 |
| johnx | good luck | 08:54 |
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| Savago | are/aware | 08:55 |
| fysa | pywiisomething | 08:58 |
| fysa | http://pyaxelwii.garage.maemo.org/ | 08:58 |
| * Savago checking... | 08:58 | |
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| Savago | fysa, this seems to be good: grep -uR "lookup_name" . | wc -l | 09:02 |
| Savago | 12 | 09:02 |
| Savago | running on the svn trunk directory of pyaxelwii. | 09:03 |
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| pupnik_ | heh | 09:15 |
| pupnik_ | where am i | 09:15 |
| Luria | only you can tell us that | 09:16 |
| johnx | you're in "Internic Network" obviously. Is that in Europe? | 09:17 |
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| Luria | i would bet berlin | 09:18 |
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| Luria | if im right, do i win a prize? | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | somewhere between heaven and hell i think | 09:20 |
| Luria | switzerland then? | 09:21 |
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| Savago | johnx, fysa pyaxelwii has some interesting bit. I will read it tomorrow (its 3:21AM here). Thanks a lot for your help, seeya guys. :-) | 09:22 |
| Savago | bit/bits | 09:22 |
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| johnx | scratchbox2 is like the coolest thing ever | 09:41 |
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| zetheroo | The FM Radio program does not work for me... all I hear is fuzz | 10:46 |
| johnx | do you have headphones plugged in? | 10:48 |
| Tama^2 | have you plugged in the headphones? | 10:48 |
| Tama^2 | eh eh | 10:48 |
| Tama^2 | the headphones work as an antenna, no antenna -> fzfzfzfzf | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | ummm | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | there are speakers | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | oh really? | 10:49 |
| johnx | the headphone wire is used as an antenna | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | wowo | 10:49 |
| zetheroo | ok | 10:49 |
| johnx | yeah, confused me at first too | 10:50 |
| Tama^2 | I went: mmmmm, ahhhhhhhhhh! | 10:50 |
| zetheroo | so there is no way to listen to radio via the speakers? | 10:51 |
| johnx | there's a way to plug in headphones and switch it back to speakers | 10:51 |
| zetheroo | ok | 10:52 |
| zetheroo | know how? | 10:52 |
| johnx | er no | 10:52 |
| johnx | I don't use the fm radio app | 10:52 |
| johnx | maybe look in preferences in the radio app itself? | 10:52 |
| Tama^2 | there is an headphone/redio icon | 10:53 |
| Tama^2 | *radio | 10:53 |
| zetheroo | ok | 10:53 |
| zetheroo | I see it | 10:53 |
| zetheroo | super | 10:54 |
| Tama^2 | when you tap it it switches | 10:54 |
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| zetheroo | indeed | 10:55 |
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| johnx | hi Cptnodegard, could you give me a link to the 5-pin mini-usb cable you found? | 11:03 |
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| Cptnodegard | bad new on that front... its not a real 5 pin. it has 5 connected wires, but the 5th pin is copnnected to the metal housing of the mini usb b cable, not the 5th pin of the mini b connector! | 11:05 |
| Cptnodegard | i was pissed as hell | 11:05 |
| Cptnodegard | i ohmed the thing to find out what wires went where and it made no freaking sense, so opened the mini b connector and realized why :/ | 11:06 |
| johnx | lame | 11:06 |
| Cptnodegard | my initial plan was to use it to make a how to. gonna try some more cables from that place to see if i can find one that does work. the guide is pointless if the people reading it arent able to get the exact same cable, so has to be from DX which ships worldwide | 11:07 |
| johnx | hmm...it might be hard to find | 11:08 |
| johnx | if you plug a mini-b wired like a mini-a into a non-otg device, I wonder if it would end up fried | 11:09 |
| johnx | and that aside it's really against the usb specification | 11:09 |
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| Cptnodegard | johnx, wont fry anything... normally the last pin simply isnt connected to the usb a | 11:11 |
| Cptnodegard | i have a link to a cable that i myself used, one that is extremely easy to work with, but its expensive | 11:12 |
| johnx | ah | 11:12 |
| johnx | the problem is the world wide shipping | 11:12 |
| Cptnodegard | they have | 11:12 |
| johnx | ah | 11:12 |
| johnx | so worldwide shipping + cheap = not so much ? | 11:12 |
| Cptnodegard | nah the cable i used was expensive | 11:13 |
| Cptnodegard | 30 bucks shipped type expensive | 11:13 |
| Cptnodegard | but it does have all 5 pins connected | 11:14 |
| Tama^2 | Does anyone know (or is happy to speculate) about some aspects of the metalayer crawler design? | 11:14 |
| johnx | it's not that bad...still cheaper than a plain 3' USB cable at best buy | 11:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | wait a miute! | 11:16 |
| Cptnodegard | i read wrong | 11:16 |
| Cptnodegard | the cable i used on mine is 13,5 USD shipped anywehere | 11:16 |
| johnx | nice | 11:17 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.pc-mobile.net/pspgps.htm - "Mini USB extenson cable" if its still the same type i got a while ago, that cable has all 5 pins connected | 11:17 |
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| Cptnodegard | ordering one | 11:22 |
| kykyu_ | Hi, this is Kenny. I'm a newbie to Maemo. I've just installed SDK 3.0. But I cannot find Application Installer in my emulated screen... | 11:22 |
| kykyu_ | can you tell me why? | 11:22 |
| johnx | application manager isn't included | 11:23 |
| kykyu_ | oh... any way to have it included? or there isn't a way? | 11:23 |
| kykyu_ | actually I wanted to install MicroB for my research... but I don't know how to... after having built the .deb files. | 11:24 |
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| melmoth | dpkg -i yourdebfile.deb | 11:27 |
| Luria | you can build debs but dont know how to install them? weird. | 11:29 |
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| |tbb| | hi all | 11:54 |
| |tbb| | is there a possibility to kill a msgbox which for example appears when there is a network connect error while trying to connect to an ap | 12:01 |
| Tama^2 | I very much doubt it, it's generated by the System UI | 12:02 |
| Tama^2 | but I really don't know much sbout it ;-; | 12:02 |
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| johnx | if you knew the ID of it's window you could tell it to close | 12:11 |
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| |tbb| | how to find that out? | 12:13 |
| keesj | it would need to go via dbus i guess | 12:14 |
| keesj | the dialogs should be nicely added one below the other | 12:15 |
| Tama^2 | that is *if* it is published on dbus | 12:15 |
| Tama^2 | yes, they should have. There are a lot of UI issues ;-( | 12:16 |
| |tbb| | what is "signal sender=:1.29" is that the id i need | 12:18 |
| Tama^2 | |tbb|: I have no idea, where did you get that string? | 12:20 |
| |tbb| | dbus-monitor | 12:20 |
| Tama^2 | keesj: also they should not show before finishing rendering, right now the effect is a bit clumsy | 12:20 |
| keesj | yes ,specialy with maemo-mapper because it shows/ed ad "waiting for fix" for a long time. while also trying to connect to the internet | 12:22 |
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| ccooke | Hmm. IIRC, leaving the RSS app open can kill battery life, yes? | 12:26 |
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| Tama^2 | it should not reduce it by much | 12:28 |
| Tama^2 | of course rss active means wifi connection active | 12:28 |
| Tama^2 | and it also depends how often you refresh your feeds | 12:28 |
| Tama^2 | how many feeds etc | 12:29 |
| Tama^2 | still I believe it should not make an enormous difference | 12:29 |
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| * |tbb| got an idea for the designer of the keyboard, do some small hole on every character so if u just need to push less characters and u got you stylus in the hand, u can push the key easily | 12:44 | |
| keesj | yes, and also add a m6 hole in on the rocker key so we can modify it to be a joystick | 12:53 |
| keesj | also invent a 8 bit keyboard | 12:55 |
| n0ob_ | has anyone used this vmware maemo sdk image correctly? how can i compile and run the hello world example? | 12:57 |
| * keesj can not get vmware to work on his machine | 12:59 | |
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| |tbb| | damn, i need to kill the dialog which tells me network error, try again? while trying to connect to an ap | 12:59 |
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| n0ob_ | keesj: thats sad | 12:59 |
| johnx | |tbb|, maybe wmctrl? | 13:00 |
| johnx | http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/ | 13:00 |
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| johnx | n0ob_, is the hello world a debian package or a .tar.gz? | 13:03 |
| |tbb| | johnx, maybe but then i need someone who compile it for chinook, i wonder if there is another way to do that | 13:03 |
| johnx | borrow their code? | 13:04 |
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| n0ob_ | johnx: its the example in the esbox called eclipse | 13:05 |
| johnx | I don't have the vmware sdk, just the normal debian/scratchbox sdk, so I'm not sure...but eclipse is the name of IDE... | 13:06 |
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| n0ob_ | ok johnx i will try to dig deeper | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | johnx, I'm going to finish the gpsd proxy today :) | 13:11 |
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| michele | is there any way to use the icons of the stock applications in my own? | 13:15 |
| michele | like the folders, the arrows | 13:15 |
| michele | they don't seem to be gtk stock icons | 13:15 |
| michele | (and this sucks, if I may) | 13:15 |
| johnx | are you trying to reference them by file name? or do something more clever/automatic? | 13:16 |
| michele | well, I'd like to do it as nicely as possible | 13:16 |
| michele | but just the file name would be a start | 13:17 |
| johnx | so which program shows these files that you're interested in? | 13:17 |
| michele | the file manager, the pdf reader, notes | 13:17 |
| K-Fox | what is the a rapid pdf reader ? | 13:18 |
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| crashanddie | michele, did you take a look at /usr/share/icons ? | 13:19 |
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| michele | looking now | 13:20 |
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| michele | that aside, am I the only one that actually likes the N810 pouch colors? :) | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | define pouch colors | 13:21 |
| johnx | well here I was going to make a nice one-liner script with lsof and grep to show which icons are in use...but it pulls them from icon-theme.cache | 13:22 |
| melmoth | awfull grey with worst blue inside | 13:22 |
| lcuk | michele, i would like the colors, but my missus lost the pouch on the first day she borrowed it | 13:22 |
| zuh | michele: I wouldn't say that in public if I were you :P | 13:22 |
| K-Fox | Fedora 8 now available for Nokia tablets! | 13:22 |
| K-Fox | this is true? | 13:22 |
| lcuk | i cant take 810 anywhere :( | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | wow | 13:22 |
| michele | johnx: so I'd say they actually are registered as stock icons, just with different names than gtk | 13:22 |
| johnx | K-Fox, link? | 13:23 |
| johnx | or do you just mean that there is a Fedora port to the ARM architecture? | 13:24 |
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| K-Fox | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15433&highlight=shot <----- | 13:24 |
| lcuk | john, ive heard of ppl compiling it and running on 8x0 | 13:24 |
| n0ob_ | is there any how to use the scratchbox? | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | n0ob_, why would you need a how-to ? | 13:25 |
| lcuk | noob i have had probs using it | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | it's fairly self explanatory | 13:25 |
| johnx | n0ob_, lots of howtos on maemo.org and a readme on the same site you got the vmware maemo sdk from | 13:25 |
| lcuk | readme glosses over lots of things and for a none linux ninja its heeavy going | 13:25 |
| michele | zuh: I don't really see the problem with the colors... better than always the same dull black or dark gray | 13:26 |
| |tbb| | if i cant kill the network connection,failed dialog is it possible to hit cancel by sending keystrokes to it via dbus or so? | 13:26 |
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| lcuk | ive got helloworld compiled and onto 810 but it was luck more than an ything and i cant get my own project running | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | |tbb|, you can't kill it ? Like in kill -9 PID ? | 13:27 |
| * lcuk is evaluating other options which dont involve emulated zephyr testing, its not reqd for me | 13:28 | |
| Luria | kill -9 is fun | 13:28 |
| Luria | killall on solaris is more fun | 13:28 |
| Luria | wow. im sorry, just a bit loopy at 6:30am | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | did luria kill himself? | 13:30 |
| proteous | so tragic | 13:33 |
| n0ob_ | i think this is really hard for non coders with low experience | 13:33 |
| michele | johnx: it sounds like they are way behind your work, and don't plan to improve very much unless somebody comes up to work on the tablets | 13:34 |
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| johnx | michele, heh. and it turns out I was way behind someone else's work too | 13:35 |
| michele | johnx: really? | 13:35 |
| lcuk | noob, you can get coding quickly with python. dont lose heart | 13:35 |
| targaryen | michele, did you ever find out what was causing those pkg-config errors compiling evince? I'm getting the same ones | 13:35 |
| lcuk | its like methadone compared to full code, but you can get resultts quickly | 13:35 |
| johnx | n0ob_, you might want to start out programming on something more straightforward | 13:35 |
| michele | n0ob_: have you read the tutorial? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html | 13:36 |
| michele | n0ob_: that will give you some context, at least | 13:36 |
| johnx | n0ob_, start with some python, and then move onto python with gtk | 13:36 |
| targaryen | to pickup on a coversation from 11 days ago, anyway.. | 13:36 |
| |tbb| | johnx do you know how to send the escape character trough dbus? | 13:36 |
| johnx | |tbb|, no idea | 13:37 |
| michele | targaryen: which errors? I found that most things are ok if you dpkg-buildpakage instead of using make | 13:37 |
| johnx | I don't know much about dbus...but I'll probably have to learn it soon | 13:37 |
| lcuk | john/michele, i found the same problems, coding inside a foreign vmwar box, then within anotther magic scratchbox and it just gets overwhelming | 13:37 |
| michele | targaryen: you need the right options to configure | 13:37 |
| johnx | cross development is not easy | 13:37 |
| * michele off preparing lunch | 13:37 | |
| targaryen | I'll give that a try, thanks a lot | 13:38 |
| lcuk | i am in process offinding a simpler root and documenting as i go | 13:38 |
| michele | johnx: who was ahead of you then? | 13:38 |
| johnx | michele, yeah. The guys packaging the maemo stuff for debian have more things working, but its easy enough to just go with there stuff and add anything I can fix | 13:38 |
| lcuk | john, for my pda it was simple. same dev env as native and just run code. it all workeeed. | 13:39 |
| johnx | they've been really helpful | 13:39 |
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| michele | johnx: that's great, now all we need is some easy way to install it | 13:39 |
| michele | or some docs.. | 13:39 |
| johnx | I have something up on the wiki...but don't bother with it right now | 13:39 |
| lcuk | wooohooo luria is back from death | 13:39 |
| lcuk | kill must be temporary ;) | 13:40 |
| johnx | in a couple days all the stuff on the wiki will be quite obsolete | 13:40 |
| Luria | hehe | 13:40 |
| johnx | (as far as debian goes) | 13:40 |
| Luria | no, just got sick of xfce | 13:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:40 |
| michele | johnx: I won't right now, I just think it's a good job | 13:40 |
| Luria | i have a big apt-get going on right now | 13:40 |
| johnx | and as for install it will always be "untar this onto sd card, boot it" | 13:40 |
| johnx | until someone makes a nice boot from sd install script | 13:41 |
| lcuk | noob, what devevlopment are you used to doing | 13:41 |
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| Luria | good eating | 13:42 |
| lcuk | enjoy it | 13:42 |
| lcuk | nom nom nom nom | 13:42 |
| * Luria looks forward to kde | 13:43 | |
| johnx | KDE on a tablet? or KDE4 on desktop? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | i like xfce - makes older computers run faster :) | 13:43 |
| Luria | on an eee | 13:43 |
| johnx | xfce+wmaker rocks on old computers | 13:43 |
| Luria | right now xfce+minimal gnome lib+compiz | 13:44 |
| lcuk | isn t new kde4 cross platform? | 13:44 |
| Luria | supposedy | 13:44 |
| Luria | ive seen the screenshots of kate under windows | 13:44 |
| lcuk | my boss might suddenly get interested if it looks good | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | yer, there was an article from slash about it | 13:45 |
| johnx | it's nice to see open source software invading the windows desktop :) | 13:45 |
| lcuk | openoffice/firefox/gimp ??? its already there | 13:45 |
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| Luria | meh gimp | 13:45 |
| johnx | and pidgin | 13:45 |
| lcuk | just an example | 13:45 |
| Luria | pirate photoshop | 13:45 |
| lcuk | python | 13:45 |
| lcuk | eclipse | 13:46 |
| johnx | I like gimp | 13:46 |
| Luria | eclipse ugh | 13:46 |
| johnx | I actually prefer gimp to photoshop | 13:46 |
| johnx | but I started on gimp | 13:46 |
| lcuk | we have agents everywhere, watching, waiting - preparing themselves | 13:46 |
| Luria | i like to be able to print | 13:46 |
| Luria | which gimp doesnt do | 13:46 |
| johnx | really | 13:46 |
| Luria | (cmyk) | 13:46 |
| johnx | ah | 13:46 |
| johnx | I was about to say "must have had some terribly vivid hallucinations..." | 13:47 |
| Luria | last i checked, at least | 13:47 |
| K-Fox | it can use the gimp on n8xx? | 13:47 |
| Luria | whats the point of my color calibrated lacie monitor, after all, if i cant go subtractive? | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | im sure if you hold your arms the right way whilst looking north with your dog on your shoulders then you might be able to see a cups printer and save as directly to the printer memory, but of course noone thinks of these things when just pritning | 13:47 |
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| Luria | still wouldnt help with the color correction | 13:48 |
| johnx | Luria, you're right. Gimp isn't a replacement for photoshop in high-end shops yet. It is a replacement for photoshop on a lot of end users desks who just want to touch something up and print it on their ink jet | 13:48 |
| lcuk | has anyone reported it | 13:48 |
| Luria | gimp is fine for photo -> web, tho. | 13:49 |
| lcuk | its a FREE alternative for people who want to run software legally. | 13:49 |
| lcuk | who dont need it for work | 13:49 |
| Luria | im not a high end shop, just an amateur photographer | 13:49 |
| Veggen | yah, isn't photoshop very much pirated? | 13:49 |
| lcuk | yer, but thats the point, its pirated | 13:49 |
| Luria | yeah :-) | 13:50 |
| Veggen | exactly. | 13:50 |
| Luria | probably 2nd most after windows | 13:50 |
| lcuk | i had a long discussion with a guy at work, he said @linux will never take off, the microsoft are great@ i stopped him in his tracks when i asked him how much he paid for office 2007 | 13:50 |
| Luria | brb, kde time. | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | openoffice is free and legal without and hoops to jump through and for the few docs people do at home its enough | 13:51 |
| johnx | Linux also solves a couple vendor lock-in issues rather nicely | 13:51 |
| johnx | which is where people will get really interested I think | 13:51 |
| lcuk | yes, with MS trying to shift away from their almost standard format its gonna get good | 13:52 |
| johnx | ooxml is a mine field | 13:52 |
| johnx | thankfully people are actually realizing it | 13:52 |
| lcuk | i think MS are shooting themselves in the foot changing everything (not for the better) people are in a mood for retraining, why put the extra money into MS at that point if there are OS alternatives which for the same training give complete openness | 13:53 |
| johnx | yeah | 13:53 |
| johnx | but they're stuck between a rock and a hard place | 13:53 |
| lcuk | this nokia device has been good for me (no matter how difficult it has been to setup dev wise so far) because it means i can show them linux and run around all the stuff | 13:54 |
| johnx | don't change things and mac os x and linux will outpace them, do change things and "retraining" and "backwards compatibility" start to even out WRT Linux and Mac | 13:54 |
| lcuk | its no longer just a part time thing, i have paid out the money and am determined to get it working | 13:54 |
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| |tbb| | could anyone explain me how match expressions work on dbus-monitor? | 13:55 |
| lcuk | absolutely | 13:55 |
| lcuk | damn, lost my stylus | 13:55 |
| johnx | I never had one :/ | 13:55 |
| * lcuk has wires all around from usb keyboard | 13:55 | |
| lcuk | :( john | 13:55 |
| johnx | floor model | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | I have no wires on my bluetooth keyboard :D | 13:56 |
| lcuk | any response from nokia or have you not sent yet | 13:56 |
| lcuk | crash, its a good reason to get one i think | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | yeah, it definitely is | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | I never got around hooking it up on my n810 though | 13:56 |
| lcuk | i may just consider it, i just wanted to see how usb worked on 810 | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | I just can't be arsed | 13:56 |
| johnx | not sent yet, it's workable for now | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | you using a usb keyboard on the 810 ? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | just give it a light touch john | 13:57 |
| lcuk | stroke it gently :P | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | sending what to nokia ? | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | Do you guys actually get answers from them? | 13:57 |
| lcuk | with bt keyboard on your knee, do you have pda above it or below it? | 13:59 |
| lcuk | crash, ive not needed to speak to them yet | 13:59 |
| johnx | crashanddie, my digitizer has gone spastic...haven't contacted them yet | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, like I said, never hooked the bt keyboard to the n810 yet | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | don't see the point | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | at least, for now | 14:00 |
| lcuk | but what do you use your bt keyboard on? | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | laptop | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | my laptop is my transportable desktop, basically | 14:00 |
| lcuk | i like the 810 keyboard, but when im doing major work a full board is best | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | I like to have my screen quite far away, and have an uncluttered desktop, so I hooked up bt keyboard to it | 14:01 |
| lcuk | with full linux on nokia, it should replace everything :) | 14:01 |
| crashanddie | what I miss in the tablet | 14:01 |
| lcuk | nokia isnt possible, my eyes need zoom functionality and the only way i can do that is moving it closer | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | is a stock fullgrown agenda software | 14:02 |
| lcuk | is there one for your fav linux distro? | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | I dunno | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | might write one in fact, if I get around it | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | ossogenda :) | 14:02 |
| lcuk | have a look if there is a gtk one and it shouldnt take too much shoehorning to get it in | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I will | 14:03 |
| lcuk | im gonna do a small shared tasks/notes system between my desktop and device | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | but well, stock one on the OS would've been nice, well integrated in stuff | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | like integrated with the contact list etc | 14:03 |
| lcuk | ive had enough of needing links on one or the other | 14:03 |
| Luria | yay kde | 14:04 |
| lcuk | on tablet? | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | so you can just say, that day, that hour, with those persons, and if you need to share something, just hit the email button, and it opens a new draft with the emails of all people you had a meeting with | 14:04 |
| Luria | lcuk, on my eee. we discussed this. keep up :-) | 14:04 |
| lcuk | lol you are right | 14:05 |
| lcuk | have you done any hardhacks with it yet? | 14:05 |
| lcuk | ive heard people are really doing lots with them | 14:05 |
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| Luria | they are | 14:05 |
| lcuk | and ive also heard the next gen eee should have a bit bigger *touchscreen* | 14:05 |
| Luria | im deciding what too do | 14:05 |
| lcuk | it might then become dreamy | 14:06 |
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| Luria | bt, touchscreen, hdd, i think is what im going to doo | 14:06 |
| Luria | or more likely, internal cf | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | ive got an old windows laptop under the bed with a hacked on touchpanel under its screen | 14:06 |
| Luria | i could never get my panasonic cf-m34 | 14:07 |
| Luria | 's touchscreen to work under linux | 14:07 |
| lcuk | mine was all hacked under windows and worked quite well. only problem was, panel was smaller than screen so i had to customise the front end programs | 14:08 |
| Luria | omg does 3.5 look better than xfce | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | it gave me enough incentive to spend some money on a real device | 14:08 |
| Luria | ugh | 14:08 |
| Luria | pick up a cf-m34 off ebay | 14:08 |
| Luria | great machines | 14:08 |
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| Luria | cf-19 new if you have the cash :-) | 14:09 |
| lcuk | oh crap | 14:09 |
| lcuk | internet just died!first crash ive | 14:10 |
| lcuk | had with it | 14:10 |
| Luria | internet didnt die, it just beat you. | 14:10 |
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| Luria | the boss levels are hard, i admit. | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | lol | 14:11 |
| lcuk | damn, i know what it was - its the Resize to width of page. it makes NIT freeze | 14:11 |
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| johnx | hmm...I think that's my power supply's way of telling me it doesn't love me anymore | 14:12 |
| Luria | btw, compiz is really handy on small form factors | 14:12 |
| lcuk | compiz would be nice on NIT but for lack of 3d | 14:12 |
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| Luria | amen. | 14:13 |
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| johnx | short on RAM, CPU and GPU power really...even if the powerVR it has could work | 14:14 |
| Luria | i dunno, xfce+compiz and a couple of lightweight apps = 64mb ram | 14:15 |
| Luria | more a vram issue and cpu issue | 14:15 |
| lcuk | luria,luria, those toughbooks = old touchscreen laptops arent they | 14:15 |
| lcuk | -luria | 14:15 |
| Luria | most, yes | 14:15 |
| johnx | those things are awesome | 14:15 |
| johnx | I really want one to play with | 14:16 |
| Luria | cf-m34 = 400-933mhz (depends on model) 8.4" touchscreen | 14:16 |
| lcuk | hmmm and for the price they look on ebay that looks nice | 14:16 |
| Luria | i have used it in the rain (i bought a sealed backlit membrane keyboard) | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i only ever saw touchscreen laps in the 100s of pounds range | 14:16 |
| lcuk | guess my foo wasnt on | 14:16 |
| Luria | if you can - | 14:16 |
| lcuk | thanks for the tip | 14:16 |
| Luria | find one with dual minipci | 14:17 |
| Luria | they are rare | 14:17 |
| oil | uh. I managed to get the maemo-mapper -> mysql -> other maemo-mapper POI sync working. http://oil.iki.fi/maemo/maemo-mapper-poi-sync.html | 14:17 |
| Luria | there are also very rare pentium m models | 14:17 |
| lcuk | the touch i have below me was all for free, at the time money was tight and it was just confirming that it was wanted | 14:17 |
| oil | nice part of the mm is that it will read the poi-database when the map moves. | 14:17 |
| lcuk | oil, nice one! | 14:18 |
| lcuk | is this from an onboard sql database or from a central server? | 14:18 |
| oil | lcuk: thanks. if you try it, it might be better to backup the poi first :) | 14:18 |
| oil | it's running on my wlan router | 14:19 |
| lcuk | oil, its rare i take this out, so the chances of me getting it running myself is low but its always good to see improvements to our common app source :) | 14:19 |
| Luria | http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2007/02/tbtoughbook.jpg | 14:20 |
| oil | lcuk: some day someone could make this work with wget-post and make an central server where to store the pois | 14:20 |
| Luria | from iraq :-) | 14:20 |
| Luria | http://www.mavromatic.com/images/PANASONIC-BULLETPROOF-TOUGH.jpg | 14:21 |
| lcuk | luria, it looks tough ;) i gather apart from the cosmetic it will still work | 14:21 |
| Luria | the lcd part held the bullet | 14:21 |
| Luria | it passed through an unarmored hummer door | 14:22 |
| Luria | the guy had the laptop wedged between his thigh and the gear shifter | 14:22 |
| lcuk | thats the definition of wardriving | 14:22 |
| Luria | and the bullet hit the computer | 14:22 |
| darkip | quick question, is there any easy way to download all the UK maps for maemo mapper? | 14:23 |
| crashanddie | Luria, lucky guy | 14:24 |
| Luria | very | 14:24 |
| lcuk | dark, i think there is a program to grab them all, but usually you get a smaller segment, it will take a long time and take a large amount of space to get such a large range | 14:24 |
| lcuk | i think you can get them for specific routes simpler (from what i read in here) | 14:24 |
| Luria | still, he took one shot to the shoulder, it was a two pronged ambush | 14:24 |
| Luria | but he survived | 14:25 |
| lcuk | he should have forked the process | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | I'd rather take one in the shoulder than in the leg, if you ask me | 14:25 |
| lcuk | lcd on one side keyboard on the other | 14:25 |
| darkip | ah ok | 14:25 |
| darkip | and also, it's not possible to plan a route without an internet connection is it? | 14:26 |
| Luria | yeah, me too. no femural artery in the shoulder. | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | I can live with only one arm, I doubt I'd be as happy with only one leg | 14:26 |
| lcuk | im not sure dark, have you had a look on internettablettalk forum - they have discussions about mapping etc all the time | 14:26 |
| lcuk | i couldnt live without my ARM now | 14:26 |
| johnx | darkip, yes, maemo mapper needs to be able to access the internet to do routing | 14:27 |
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| Luria | the other thing about it is, it was designed to go in dashboard mounts, so the lcd goes all the way back, which can be more useful than you think | 14:27 |
| lcuk | have you read about the soldier who lost both legs below the knee and now has a pair of bluetooth feet which communicate and help to keep him upright | 14:27 |
| darkip | are there any free alternatives which do? | 14:28 |
| Luria | yeah, we all read /. | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | darkip, maemo mapper uses web servers in order to create routes, hence the required internet connectivity | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | darkip, I don't think there are any free alternatives that do a good job , honnestly | 14:29 |
| darkip | ah, well cheers anyway :) | 14:29 |
| johnx | darkip, navit.sf.net | 14:30 |
| johnx | haven't looked at it recently though | 14:30 |
| darkip | i didn't think there was a port available yet? | 14:30 |
| johnx | ah, maybe not | 14:30 |
| lcuk | has anyone got the full paid for mapper, and if so is it worth it | 14:32 |
| darkip | well, i've tried the trial... | 14:32 |
| lcuk | what did you think | 14:32 |
| darkip | i was working on reverse engineering the registration process but didn't get far | 14:33 |
| Luria | wayfinder is embarrasingly bad | 14:33 |
| darkip | it was ok, i was using the built in GPS in my n810 | 14:33 |
| darkip | which takes FOREVER to aquire a signal | 14:33 |
| darkip | but on more positive notes, apparently you can compile navit for n800 - http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_n770/n800 | 14:33 |
| lcuk | dark, 810 is bad at getting signal for us if we sit it in cradle, if its on girlfriends lap it aquires much quicker | 14:34 |
| lcuk | i think orientation helps | 14:34 |
| darkip | i only had my grandpa in the car | 14:34 |
| johnx | maybe it just likes your girlfriend? | 14:34 |
| |tbb| | hats the difference between run-standalone.sh dbus-send or dbus-send alone | 14:34 |
| darkip | i was at a disadvantage obviously | 14:34 |
| darkip | ;) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | lol thinking that | 14:35 |
| Luria | oh wow | 14:35 |
| darkip | ? | 14:35 |
| johnx | better watch out in case it starts making any moves. I mean do you have a slick metal finish or a pull-out keyboard? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | try it with a nubile young lady and it will ping instantly | 14:35 |
| Luria | ive been looking for something just like that | 14:35 |
| lcuk | hey she threatened me yesterday | 14:35 |
| Luria | nav for x86 linux | 14:35 |
| darkip | yep.. | 14:36 |
| darkip | i might have a try and compiling it | 14:36 |
| |tbb| | s/hats/whats/ | 14:36 |
| infobot | |tbb| meant: whats the difference between run-standalone.sh dbus-send or dbus-send alone | 14:36 |
| lcuk | run standalone is intended only for the scratchbox environment i think tbb | 14:37 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 14:37 |
| lcuk | if you are running on the device itself you dont need it | 14:37 |
| lcuk | i know for gtk apps if you dont run standalone it doesnt hildonize it and it looks crap | 14:37 |
| lcuk | if you run-standalone then it does the extra i think | 14:38 |
| lcuk | but i hate scratchpox with a passion now (i might learn to love it eventually) so try to not run in emulated | 14:38 |
| |tbb| | lcuk: have you noticed for what im looking for about two-three hours -> a way to close the network connection failed dialog, do you know how i can send an escape to this modal dialog or how to close it in another case | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | tbb, i hope you cannot interupt the network dialogs - it should be under the entire control of the human user. not even root should be able to manage them. but thats personal opinion and i just dont know | 14:40 |
| lcuk | i have a bugbear at the moment that i think 810 is re-starting a network connection without permission from me, so anything trying to circumvent the network dialogs is bad | 14:41 |
| lcuk | does this dialog only come up if the user has actually selected a network | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | I've had my battery drained a few times because some app tried to access the interwebs, and it kept searching for wifi for a few hours in my jacket | 14:42 |
| |tbb| | lcuk: likely yes | 14:42 |
| lcuk | crash, exactly - i have mine set to @always ask@ | 14:42 |
| lcuk | tbb, if thats the case and the network fails just let the user handle it | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I guess I should set it to that too | 14:43 |
| Luria | ok, bed time | 14:43 |
| Luria | bye all | 14:43 |
| |tbb| | oh sorry, wrong understand | 14:43 |
| lcuk | i let the connection run forever because it doesnt seem to drain the battery too much, but when i disconnect it it should stay disconnected. | 14:43 |
| |tbb| | the connection is started automaticly | 14:43 |
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| |tbb| | and i want stop it if it fails | 14:43 |
| lcuk | the nokia tablet cannot be sure how much it costs me to use network, so it should NEVER connect automatically (for me at least) | 14:43 |
| |tbb| | or try again | 14:43 |
| lcuk | how do you mean automatically tbb? | 14:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, I forgot if I asked this...were you in offline mode? | 14:44 |
| |tbb| | dbus-send | 14:44 |
| lcuk | surely its down to user preferences whether automatic is allowed | 14:44 |
| lcuk | no john, but im set to always ask | 14:44 |
| lcuk | tbb, you mean you say @please connect to a network@ | 14:44 |
| lcuk | damn these @@@ quote keys | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | I didn't use the phone connection yet, should try to see if it's worth anything... | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | You guys know it's possible to have IP over BT right ? | 14:45 |
| lcuk | yes john, but its slower and i dont like the extra BT crap[ running on my windows box | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | I know it's feasible with a cellphone, so I'm pretty sure it's doable with the tablet... I should write something about that though | 14:46 |
| lcuk | using wifi is simple as the rest of my system is geared up for it | 14:46 |
| |tbb| | yeah | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | in other words, computer is connected to an ethernet network, and 810 surfs through BT on the laptop | 14:46 |
| lcuk | 810 ---BT---> BTDongle->desktop ----> internet | 14:47 |
| lcuk | 810 ---wifi---> router ---->internet | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I'm talking if wifi isn't available | 14:48 |
| lcuk | 810 ---BT---> BTDongle->desktop ----> router -----> internet | 14:48 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to send keystrokes to the maemo desktop | 14:48 |
| lcuk | crash, i agree it can work if thats whats available | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | also, I might get myself an ethernet to usb adapter and try to get that to work with the 810 | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | would be nice though | 14:48 |
| johnx | |tbb|, look for "fake keystroke x11" | 14:49 |
| lcuk | wifi USB dongle works great - thats what i use here, the router is work connection. | 14:49 |
| lcuk | set the computer to use ad-hoc mode | 14:49 |
| johnx | but something like wmctrl would be better I think | 14:49 |
| lcuk | its nice and quick :) | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, agreed | 14:50 |
| lcuk | the only one i couldnt get working was my phone connection - its got 3g super data stream or something, but the phone isnt exposing the connection | 14:51 |
| johnx | maybe the phone doesn't do BT DUN, but BT PAN instead? | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | i dunno its only a cheapy and i pay as go, so its likely just not exposing anything. it doesnt bother me so much, if i neededdd it i would go back to phone shop and get a nokia 3g phone and tell them to make sure it connects before i leave store | 14:52 |
| johnx | it's sure nice being in a position to make a vendor *do something* isn't it? :) | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | nokia to nokia with bluetooth should just work, its the phone peoples jobs to know how to connect their data devices together if thats what they are selling. if they cant do that they cant get a sale out of me | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i can help with the specifics of this device but they need to know what settings i need to put in etc | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, like Johnx said, the n810 uses BT DUN, which is quite old and deprecated, most phones use BT PAN now, there are a few apps that allow phones to simulate BT DUN though | 14:55 |
| alterego | Mine works out-of-the-box. | 14:55 |
| alterego | Just worked, was expecting something to need to be hacked but it was really easy. | 14:55 |
| johnx | my phone does IR, not BT :/ | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | btw | 14:56 |
| johnx | which is good because otherwise I'd run up a terrifying data bill | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | anyone seen the real hustlers video about cell phone hacking? | 14:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, it works on my girlfriends nokia as well, but im not gonna rely on her connection | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | I swear I thought it was a n770 or n800 he was using to phreak the cell phones | 14:56 |
| lcuk | like i said, i bought the phone to make calls not for data - when i need one ill just go and make sure it works | 14:56 |
| sxpert | crashanddie, put cell phone in plastic baggie, set to "vibrate" ? | 14:56 |
| proteous | my pantech c150 works with bluetooth DUN to my 770 | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | sxpert, ? | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltjEnrePxc | 14:57 |
| sxpert | ah... sorry. "Hustler" for me was erh, something else :-) | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | yup, it's a n770 | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | 36 seconds in the video, you'll see it | 14:58 |
| sxpert | hah... 770 spotted | 14:59 |
| lcuk | why doesnt this work? : http://m.youtube.com/details?v=dltjEnrePxc | 14:59 |
| lcuk | it finds the video but the codec is not supported | 14:59 |
| lcuk | its same video and tries to play in media player | 14:59 |
| alterego | I'm making a new soft case for my N810, out of neoprene. | 15:00 |
| lcuk | alterego, could you make me one as well, my missus lost mine and keeps threatening to make a furry pink one | 15:00 |
| alterego | I'll swap you! | 15:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 15:00 |
| lcuk | it would be self cleaning i suppose but i lose all coolness | 15:01 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:01 |
| lcuk | i actually liked the nokia default case but i cant buy one | 15:01 |
| alterego | I'm also going to make a Nokia USB charger. | 15:01 |
| alterego | I didn't the grey fake leather I thought was very cheap and tacky .. | 15:01 |
| lcuk | hack a charger cable and put a usb plug on end | 15:02 |
| alterego | The snug fit was great though. | 15:02 |
| alterego | That's the idea yeah. | 15:02 |
| alterego | I've got quite a few broken chargers I can strip. | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | yer - the thing i miss most about 810 is my old pda had a cradle | 15:02 |
| lcuk | i could quickly just drop it in | 15:02 |
| lcuk | mind you, it prefered usb syncing | 15:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, not the only quick drops are when it's meandering to the pavement. 8O | 15:03 |
| alterego | s/not/now/ | 15:04 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Yeah, now the only quick drops are when it's meandering to the pavement. 8O | 15:04 |
| * alterego kicks infobot up it's virtual ass. | 15:04 | |
| lcuk | Ouch, i dont think this nokia would survive a drop, my old pda was rugged, it took a drop down the stairs the other day - thought it was completely gone but it just fired back up | 15:05 |
| jku | lcuk, then again the n800 doesn't look too sturdy either, but it's survived my abuse pretty well... | 15:06 |
| lcuk | this 810 was too slippery when i got it, but ive cured that now with a big rubber stickon patch on the back | 15:06 |
| jku | of course, no moving parts like n810 | 15:06 |
| |tbb| | is there a source available -> osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs | 15:07 |
| lcuk | 800 looks better than 810 for sturdyness | 15:07 |
| b0unc3 | guys, there is a 3gp support for ITOS2008 ? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | b0unc3, yes, i can play 3pg videos from my phone, but i cant seem to play them from m.youtube.com | 15:08 |
| lcuk | its a shame because youtube would be much better from the mobile version | 15:08 |
| b0unc3 | lcuk: with mplayer ? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | i hope its just a codec issue and can be rectified | 15:08 |
| lcuk | dunno, use standard media player | 15:08 |
| lcuk | does mplayer take over playback of mime types - it didnt seem to when i installed it before | 15:09 |
| lcuk | tapping from file manager still opened in default mediaplayer | 15:09 |
| lcuk | i had to use the mplayer interface to run mplayer stuff | 15:09 |
| johnx | ah mime-types...we could have been having this conversation in 1993 and it wouldn't be much different :) | 15:10 |
| lcuk | lol yer | 15:10 |
| lcuk | actually, in 1993 we would be talking about the library folder in amiga wouldnt we ;) | 15:11 |
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| johnx | I was thinking win3.1 | 15:11 |
| lcuk | thankfully i missed that one :P | 15:11 |
| * johnx is hideously uncultured in terms of computing history | 15:11 | |
| lcuk | i had to use it for college stuff but never indepth - clait | 15:12 |
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| * lcuk puts his fingers on his homekeys. then takes them off again and types faster than his teachers ;) | 15:12 | |
| alterego | I was running Risc OS 3.1 back then. | 15:13 |
| johnx | I was never any good at typing until I installed Linux | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | archy | 15:13 |
| johnx | I still try to use tab completion in word processors if I'm tired enough | 15:13 |
| alterego | I got a lot of practise from C programming on my RISC PC. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:13 |
| alterego | Everything should have lazy button support. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i saw first high color graphics on an archemedes computer | 15:14 |
| lcuk | -typos | 15:14 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. Is there an easy way to compile a package for maemo as an update? Like - how long do you think does it need to get a compilation setup? | 15:14 |
| Blafasel | (Or who can I bribe to compile iodine in a current version? Beer anyone? ;) ) | 15:15 |
| alterego | A local pub is holding retro gaming nights. I'm thinking of dusting off a BBC Electron and getting Repton, Chucky Egg et all down there :) | 15:15 |
| johnx | shipping included? | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | Blafasel, if you have a scratchbox environment setup recompiling a program is simple, if not you need to get one setup | 15:15 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: That's my point: Is that a task for a day or two or more something for 1-2 hours? | 15:16 |
| johnx | Blafasel, .deb packages handle updates seemlessly. no need to do anything special. | 15:16 |
| johnx | Blafasel, are you on debian/ubuntu or other linux or windows? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | blaf, whats your desktop running? are you linux or windows | 15:16 |
| Blafasel | johnx: There doesn't seem to exist a .deb for the current iodine version.. ;) | 15:16 |
| johnx | and how much experience do you have compiling things | 15:16 |
| jku | Blafasel, depends on your experience | 15:16 |
| Blafasel | johnx: I have linux and windows machines, no .deb based though | 15:16 |
| jku | could be a day or two... | 15:16 |
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| johnx | Blafasel, is this it: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=iodine | 15:17 |
| johnx | ? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | blaf, its simplest if you get the prebuilt vmware development environment, but will take time to download - its about 2GB | 15:17 |
| Blafasel | johnx: Yes. The maemo repos that I found don't include 0.4.1 yet | 15:17 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: Let me search for that. DL speed is not an issue. ;) | 15:18 |
| johnx | Blafasel, this is just CLI, right? | 15:18 |
| Blafasel | johnx: Yes | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | jku, ive been trying for almost a month now to get something workable and reproducable up and running, but then again i had no real linux experience (beyond running a few livecds and a couple of basic installs) | 15:18 |
| Blafasel | Just a DNS tunnel tool | 15:18 |
| johnx | and what rep has the package? any special build instructions? | 15:18 |
| johnx | I'll give it a shot...but if it doesn't compile up first time I'm not going to do much fidgeting | 15:18 |
| * alterego thinks the N810 may be the last device that is part of a "device program". | 15:19 | |
| Blafasel | That's awesome, thanks a lot. I'm looking into that vmware image as well. | 15:19 |
| alterego | I doubt they'll offer the N810+WiMAX in a program. | 15:19 |
| jku | lcuk, I an imagine... scratchbox + debian packaging on top of a new OS is pretty daunting | 15:19 |
| jku | "I can", even | 15:19 |
| lcuk | alter, you mean we should be able to get things from the default trunk | 15:19 |
| lcuk | jku, yer - but i am documenting everything as i go along and hope to have some docs together @from a windows perspective@ | 15:20 |
| alterego | No, that's not at all what I'm saying :P | 15:20 |
| Blafasel | johnx: The current package (0.4.0) is from http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/repository/ - no idea if that guy is present here or something. | 15:20 |
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| Sho_ | hm, too bad that the StarDict guy seems to have disappeared; StarDict was a lot nicer than sdictviewer | 15:23 |
| |tbb| | blasfasel normally not | 15:23 |
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| johnx | Blafasel, failing on dependencies | 15:25 |
| johnx | I might look at it later | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | has anyone looked at mono properly. iis it worth trying or is it not ready/too slow/unsupported? | 15:26 |
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| lcuk | holy crap!!!!! my kylie tickets arrived yesterday and i didnt open the mail | 15:28 |
| Blafasel | johnx: Thanks a lot for trying | 15:28 |
| * lcuk almost threw it away. i thought it was junk :S | 15:28 | |
| johnx | sure, it might not be that hard | 15:28 |
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| johnx | but I'm having a fight with sb2 and I want to get it working before I have to sleep | 15:29 |
| lcuk | scratchbox is a total environemt that sits within a normal linux install isnt it | 15:30 |
| LoCusF | lcuk: Miguel de Icaza ran mono on an n800 that had debian installed | 15:30 |
| lcuk | LoCusF, but thats running monno on debian, not running mono on default maemo install | 15:31 |
| LoCusF | lcuk: yep, but still some progress :) | 15:31 |
| lcuk | yer i agree - at least we know it *can* work on devices | 15:32 |
| LoCusF | lcuk: http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo | 15:32 |
| johnx | well anything that's not too hardware dependent will run..it's just a question of how well and whether it's worth it | 15:32 |
| lcuk | im gonna follow a simpler environment first and hope others get mono up, | 15:32 |
| lcuk | ... cool ill have a look | 15:33 |
| lcuk | i think though first its dinner time | 15:34 |
| lcuk | apt-get food | 15:34 |
| jku | Blafasel, I was building stuff and run dpkg-buildpackage on iodine (debian version). No guarantees, haven't even tested installing. http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/iodine/ | 15:34 |
| lcuk | cyas later | 15:34 |
| Blafasel | Thanks! Let me check that | 15:34 |
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| Blafasel | Depends on adduser. Hmm.. | 15:40 |
| johnx | Blafasel, take it apart and remove the dep and fix the postinst | 15:41 |
| Blafasel | Yep, will try. But I'm now going for the VMWare dev environment first. | 15:42 |
| johnx | fair enough | 15:43 |
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| liri | uhmm, is there a vmware image ready with the sdk configured and stuff? | 15:50 |
| johnx | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:51 |
| johnx | is there a way to add notes to infobot? | 15:51 |
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| Blafasel | Yay for vagalume, btw. Nice. | 15:55 |
| johnx | yeah, it finally feels like I'm in the future | 15:56 |
| Blafasel | Hm? Future? | 15:56 |
| johnx | a radio station that plays whatever music I want wirelessly | 15:56 |
| johnx | and it "just works" | 15:56 |
| johnx | when the kind of thing that was in sci-fi at some point comes true I tend to think that the "future" has finally arrived | 15:57 |
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| Blafasel | Ah.. Good point. ;) I really like their service, I even subscribed to it. | 15:58 |
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| liri | do you know if it's possible to grab the n800 in europe as well? | 16:03 |
| johnx | it depends on what part of Europe I guess, but yes it is possible in many countries | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | Last I heard, play.com ha[sd] them fairly cheap. | 16:04 |
| johnx | I guess you could poke at Nokia's online store to see which countries | 16:04 |
| liri | well I only know of the popular amazon/buy/shoppping.com/circuitcity which are kinda US terrirtory | 16:04 |
| * Jaffa 's never played with last.fm. Is it really any music you want, for free, on demand? Seems a little... risky, as business models go. | 16:04 | |
| liri | umm, I'll check play.com thanks | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | amazon.co.uk had 'em too | 16:05 |
| johnx | Jaffa, I guess they have ads on the site | 16:05 |
| liri | I'll check that too | 16:05 |
| liri | "Temporarily out of stock. This item will be dispatched as soon as it arrives." on play.copm | 16:05 |
| johnx | and to comply with copyright law and licensing it acts more like a radio than an mp3 player | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | right | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Aha, iPod Touch's location technology is using a third-party service based on ESSID strengths. http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/23/skyhooks-wi-fi-location-technology-for-iphone-ipod-touch/ - would be very cool to use in N8x0 | 16:07 |
| Blafasel | Up till now it doesn't play what you want, just something like what you want. | 16:07 |
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| Jaffa | Blafasel: ah, much like Pandora, then | 16:07 |
| Blafasel | You couldn't choose "Artist - Track" and just listen to it, but you could tune in to "Artist" as a radio station | 16:07 |
| Blafasel | But they are changing that model right now and now offer direct access to at least some tracks so far in a "beta". | 16:08 |
| Blafasel | http://blog.last.fm/2008/01/23/free-the-music | 16:08 |
| |tbb| | johnx could you compile the window control thing for chinook? | 16:09 |
| johnx | is that a question of theory or a request to build it? | 16:10 |
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| |tbb| | second | 16:11 |
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| johnx | where do you want the deb? | 16:11 |
| |tbb| | you can email it to me | 16:12 |
| johnx | you'd have to tell me your email address :P | 16:13 |
| |tbb| | r u serious ;) | 16:13 |
| johnx | I just built it | 16:13 |
| johnx | I'll put it on my server if you want | 16:13 |
| johnx | it took like 30 seconds to build | 16:14 |
| |tbb| | see pm | 16:14 |
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| alterego | I think this neoprene pouch is gonna suit my N810 a lot. | 18:27 |
| alterego | Nokia will be happy, it has the same blue on the inside. But black on the outside :) | 18:28 |
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| fysa | anyone here using sb2 with ubuntu? (the maemo-sdk package in their repo) | 18:31 |
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| fysa | sb2 apt-get -f install is giving me issues: debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied | 18:33 |
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| fysa | almost seems like it's complaining about access outside of the rootstrap | 18:35 |
| lcuk | fysam you in as root on your sb2? | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | not that i know anything about it | 18:36 |
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| fysa | I'm not certain how I would do that. I run "sb2", and then if I "su" it puts me as root -- but outside the scratchbox. i.e., apt-get update refreshes gutsy. | 18:38 |
| fysa | I am going to ditch this and just do the old sb in a minute. | 18:39 |
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| lcuk | the only way i have had any of this working was in the vmware image | 18:40 |
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| fysa | trying ttp://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh | 18:42 |
| fysa | h+ | 18:42 |
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| jga23 | is there a python library for accessing the address book? | 19:15 |
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| jku | jga23, take a look at evolution-python, I think has libebook bindings | 19:21 |
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| jku | (i don't know of osso-abook bindings specifically) | 19:22 |
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| jku | jga23, actually there are: pymaemo has python-abook | 19:23 |
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| trevarthan | hey, anyone from the canola dev team awake? Got a question for ya. | 19:28 |
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| trevarthan | Are the kinetik scrolling menu widgets open source? Can I re-use them in another application? Or are those proprietary. I really dig them. | 19:29 |
| zerojay | That sentence makes baby Jesus cry. | 19:30 |
| trevarthan | sigh. passive agressive. what? why? | 19:31 |
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| alterego | Neoprene N810 sleeve complete! | 19:33 |
| alterego | And it's nice :) | 19:33 |
| alterego | Just need two bendy metal rods. | 19:33 |
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| jga23 | jku: have you tried python-abook? | 19:35 |
| lcuk | alterego, what have you written your case in, and is it under an open source license? | 19:36 |
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| unique311 | trevarthan, try #mamona | 19:39 |
| trevarthan | unique311: why? | 19:40 |
| trevarthan | that's a separate SDK site, right? | 19:41 |
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| unique311 | the canola guys are always in there. | 19:41 |
| trevarthan | oh. ok. cool. thanks. | 19:41 |
| alterego | It's written in "Ye Ole Wetsuit ++" using the needle and thread libraries. | 19:43 |
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| alterego | Oh, and it's proprietary. | 19:44 |
| alterego | It's nice though, makes my N810 bouncy. | 19:45 |
| alterego | I think my next model will have a zip. | 19:46 |
| lcuk | it was suggested i grab a patch from a wetsuit to use as a backing for my 810 | 19:46 |
| lcuk | i wanted a sticky rubber back on it | 19:46 |
| alterego | Yeah | 19:47 |
| lcuk | i got one in the end from the only shop in the world guaranteed to stock these things: my dads garage... | 19:47 |
| alterego | Fantastic. | 19:47 |
| lcuk | does your case hold the device - like the original grips it | 19:48 |
| alterego | Yes | 19:48 |
| alterego | It keeps it inside. | 19:48 |
| alterego | No slide out like with the N800. | 19:48 |
| lcuk | nice | 19:48 |
| lcuk | i bet you havent clipped a corner like the original have you :P | 19:49 |
| lcuk | (and thats dual purpose, for you to see the throbbing, and to allow pushing it in easier | 19:49 |
| alterego | No, but I'm thinking about it. | 19:49 |
| alterego | Meh, it goes in and out easy enough. | 19:49 |
| lcuk | ...and if it doesnt you can always lube it up... | 19:50 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking of adding a little pouch for mini SD cards :D | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | how many are you expecting to take? | 19:52 |
| alterego | Just one spare really. | 19:53 |
| alterego | 4G for maemo mapper and 4G for music. | 19:53 |
| lcuk | wow - have you got entire globe maps | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's, like, 72TB, lcuk. :P | 19:55 |
| lcuk | whats a few Tb between devices | 19:55 |
| alterego | Yeah, 4G is barely my region .. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | i ask because for uk maps its not even 1g | 19:56 |
| alterego | In 2-4 years. We'll probably be able to get 1T SD cards. | 19:57 |
| alterego | That's going to be somewhat insane. | 19:57 |
| alterego | lcuk, You obviously don't live in the same UK I live in. | 19:57 |
| alterego | Either that or you're talking about the inbuild "Map" application .. | 19:57 |
| lcuk | im sure i backed it up at less than a gig | 19:57 |
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| alterego | I'm talking about Maemo Mapper, with satellite images. | 19:58 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, thats a lot of extra data | 19:58 |
| alterego | I might make a different version of this case. That actually has a flap, that exposes the screen and allows the keyboard to slide out. | 20:00 |
| alterego | Might do that next weekend. | 20:00 |
| lcuk | i think thats gonna be tough to do | 20:01 |
| pupnik_ | is there a maemo app that lets me see satellite pics with gps location? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | good luck with it thou - if you make it, ill post you a pint of beer if you post me the original v1 case ;) | 20:01 |
| alterego | pupnik_, maemo mapper .. | 20:01 |
| alterego | Like I've been saying for the last 20 minutes :P | 20:02 |
| pupnik_ | mmk. i just have default gps app | 20:02 |
| pupnik_ | sorry i'm fighting vmware | 20:02 |
| * lcuk is as well | 20:02 | |
| * lcuk is trying to make anjuta stop being his bitch | 20:02 | |
| fysa | I think there's a race going on between ubiquitous connectivity and personal storage capacity. Eventually all digital cameras will have the option to instantly store images online and we will have pocketable devices that can mount networked shares as fast as they could an SD. | 20:03 |
| lcuk | SD will just become buffer memory | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 20:03 |
| naba | lcuk: I might be able to help you. | 20:04 |
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| spirytusick | fysa: I suppose at that time the distinction between networking and local storage will loose its meaning | 20:04 |
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| fysa | precisely | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe | 20:05 |
| spirytusick | fysa: 2-4 years is a bit optimistic though. I suppose 10-12 will be more like it | 20:05 |
| lcuk | hmmm naba. i'll tell you where i am at. i have the maemo vmware image. i have installed anjuta, it looks great and reminds me of days gone by :) .. i see the anjuta plugin but i cant get it installed. http://anjuta-maemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | But data's just gonna get bigger, too. | 20:05 |
| fysa | on the longest timeline, networked storage has one major thing going against it -- latency. | 20:06 |
| fysa | the speed of light. | 20:06 |
| pupnik_ | am I silly for wanting to get bridged networking going in the vmware appliance? what are you using? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | i think its because the plugin expects anjuta 2.3, but from the install list on vmware only 2.2.0 is available | 20:06 |
| alterego | The government will keep all our storage, using our RFID identity cards we can access them through any device, | 20:06 |
| naba | lcuk: Make sure anjuta version you are installing is >= 2.3.0, because the maemo plugin requires that. | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5-years assuming doubling every year. | 20:06 |
| fysa | yes, data is going to get bigger. But if the network gets faster, data can get bigger and simultaneously less ubiquitous. | 20:06 |
| alterego | Oh, and they don't need permission to look through our files or even raid our homes for data seizure. | 20:06 |
| spirytusick | alterego: thank you, I would pass on that | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that doesn't provide for big tech jumps which occur every so often. | 20:07 |
| naba | lcuk: Unfortunately, the plugin does not complain if you have lower version (I mentioned it to the author). | 20:07 |
| fysa | i.e., if I had gigabit DSL/cablemodem.. | 20:07 |
| lcuk | naba, will grab it from their site directly then, brb | 20:07 |
| fysa | I would open my RAID server up to friends. | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, nah, it's all backed up to the <isn't government organization here> automatically. | 20:07 |
| fysa | and they could access it just as quickly as I could. | 20:07 |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: Bit tech jumps will most likely be stalled by the big telco companies... | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/isn't/insert/ | 20:07 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: alterego, nah, it's all backed up to the <insert government organization here> automatically. | 20:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:08 |
| fysa | netboot-over-internet. | 20:08 |
| fysa | Point your 'BIOS' to ubuntu.org and you're in. | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No thanks. | 20:09 |
| fysa | $HOME mounted from Google Drive | 20:09 |
| spirytusick | fysa: all the mallware will have a single infection point | 20:10 |
| alterego | When you think of those classic computer users, that all they do is browse the web and email. Well, that's already all on a server somewhere anyhow .. | 20:10 |
| fysa | that is a good thing. | 20:10 |
| alterego | What do they need personal storage for? | 20:10 |
| fysa | I would prefer to have Canonical maintain my 'personal' Ubuntu installation. | 20:10 |
| fysa | and then I get to install 'packages' into $HOME | 20:10 |
| fysa | then I can be at any computer, anymore, and access my workplace desktop. | 20:11 |
| fysa | er, anywhere. | 20:11 |
| spirytusick | fysa: looks beautifuly, let's wait to see how much the bandwidth prices will fall down | 20:12 |
| fysa | hardware manufacturers sell 'form factors' of open-ended designs that you turn into appliances by pointing them at a web site. | 20:12 |
| alterego | I might make a new home on an 8G mini SD when they eventually appear. | 20:12 |
| fysa | yes, bandwidth is the key. :) | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | And ubiquity | 20:13 |
| spirytusick | fysa: bandwidth and latency | 20:13 |
| alterego | I still think capacity is important. | 20:13 |
| fysa | I threw together a quick nzbfs ("usenet" filesystem) | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | Don't want to not be able to boot my device in the Channel Tunnel | 20:13 |
| alterego | I'm not _always_ connected right now. | 20:13 |
| alterego | Maybe in the future if that becomes more plausible .. | 20:14 |
| fysa | using FUSE.. | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. Which is why online PIMs suck. | 20:14 |
| Jaffa | They're also crap for alarms | 20:14 |
| fysa | I could mount every binary newsgroup and stream anything I wanted. | 20:14 |
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| fysa | There was no longer a need to 'download' -- except if your connection is lower than the bitrate+overhead | 20:14 |
| lcuk | naba, i need to download the unstable .deb version 2.3 rather than add/remove | 20:15 |
| lcuk | ive just tried updating my sources and its not changed whats available | 20:16 |
| fysa | anyway. exciting stuff. :) | 20:16 |
| naba | lcuk: I am not sure what you meant, but yes, 2.3.x is not available widely. You can get the deb packages from http://anjuta.org/downloads | 20:17 |
| naba | lcuk: for gusty, that is. I suppose you are installing ubuntu. | 20:18 |
| lcuk | yes, ive just got the debs directly. i tried adding the repo they list thinking it would have the later version than the official repo. its ok, ive started getting direct | 20:18 |
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| skibur | hello | 20:54 |
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| skibur | Is there a Dictionary App for the N800? | 20:57 |
| skibur | ok | 20:58 |
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| skibur | anybody alive? | 20:59 |
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| tank-man | yea there is, sdict, but i havent got it installed, had some problems before installing and i'm not familiar with debs/repos | 21:01 |
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| tank-man | another one could be using noah pro with the garnet vm | 21:02 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows fnmatch? | 21:08 |
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| Sho_ | skibur: There's sdictviewer | 21:09 |
| Sho_ | skibur: For OS2007 there used to be a second nice one, StarDict, but that hasn't been ported to OS2008 so far | 21:09 |
| skibur | yeah, installing it right now. :) | 21:09 |
| skibur | I do see it on 2008 link on maemo | 21:10 |
| * Sho_ doesn't | 21:11 | |
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| |tbb| | # Filters are matched like shell wildcards (using fnmatch(3)). # If a filter is specified (even if it is *), the corresponding argument # must be present in order to get a match. | 21:15 |
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| |tbb| | the argument i need is sometimes empty sometimes not , how can i define a filter which tells the argument (string) must be empty, something like NULL | 21:17 |
| |tbb| | for example: 1arg=one 2arg=two 3arg= 4arg=fourth | 21:19 |
| |tbb| | sometimes the third argument isnt empty then i dont want it to match | 21:20 |
| |tbb| | anyone understand what im trying to say | 21:20 |
| pupnik_ | jott: around? | 21:21 |
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| skibur | where will I download a dictionary file? | 21:23 |
| skibur | For the use of SDicViewer? | 21:23 |
| Sho_ | skibur: sdict.com | 21:23 |
| skibur | thanks | 21:23 |
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| pupnik | test | 21:39 |
| * pupnik 's fans are intune with nowplaying music | 21:39 | |
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| maddler | hey all! | 21:49 |
| pupnik | huhu | 21:49 |
| pupnik | battery tip, don't leave your tablet on charger and on full charge | 21:51 |
| skibur | Sdictviewer is pretty neat. :) | 21:51 |
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| fysa | there we go. scratchbox setup. | 21:55 |
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| Blafasel | Canola2's interface is really, really slick and nice | 21:56 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: that shouldn't damage the battery - if it does, it's a s/w bug in the firmware | 22:02 |
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| fysa | does the quetoo port use GL at all? | 22:04 |
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| pupnik | no | 22:06 |
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| Tama^2 | Hi | 22:13 |
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| killfill | hi.. | 22:27 |
| killfill | should the media player be able to connect to a ogg stream?... | 22:28 |
| felipec | killfill: if you have the oggsupport package, yes | 22:28 |
| killfill | hm.. | 22:30 |
| killfill | weired.. | 22:30 |
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| reinard | hello. im wondering how could i make flv's perform better with mplayer in n770 | 22:33 |
| killfill | ogg-support 0.6 | 22:33 |
| killfill | it says "format not admitted".. | 22:33 |
| skibur | anybody using rapier? | 22:34 |
| killfill | (or something like that.. my device in in spanish.. im makeing the traduction:) | 22:34 |
| reinard | those play perfectly with -nosound, but without it mplayer just hangs | 22:34 |
| killfill | felipec, can you connect to http://200.73.13.54:8000/music.ogg | 22:34 |
| killfill | ? | 22:34 |
| killfill | cannot do it nor with media plary, neither with canola | 22:35 |
| fysa | if we had PyOpenGL, we could get Frets on Fire working. ;) | 22:36 |
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| reinard | does anyone have a good settings playing flv's in mplayer | 22:38 |
| reinard | i would appreciate it | 22:38 |
| fysa | haven't tried yet, but shouldn't be a problem. what are you experiencing? | 22:38 |
| reinard | -framedrop -nosound makes video play good, but is there someway to make those play good with audio | 22:40 |
| fysa | what resolution/bitrate are the flvs? | 22:40 |
| fysa | (where are they from?) | 22:40 |
| felipec | killfill: it works here | 22:41 |
| felipec | with the media player | 22:41 |
| felipec | do you have the oggsupport package? | 22:42 |
| killfill | yup: ogg-support 0.6 | 22:42 |
| killfill | and i can play local .ogg files just fine.. | 22:42 |
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| killfill | hm.. mplayer works fine... | 22:42 |
| reinard | flv's are something like 300-500*200-400... streaming tv-series mostly | 22:43 |
| killfill | felipec: how did you add the stream?.. menu->clip->the second menu? | 22:43 |
| felipec | killfill: I had to add it to my favorite internet radios | 22:43 |
| reinard | is there some setting to prevent mplayer to scale the file to fullscreen. so it would play it in 1:1 or 2:1 | 22:44 |
| killfill | weired.. it doesnt work here.. :S | 22:45 |
| killfill | felipec: you added the stream in the second menu?.. you just entered http://....:800/...ogg? | 22:45 |
| fysa | are H264 flvs common-place yet? | 22:46 |
| fysa | if so, that could be an issue. I dont | 22:46 |
| fysa | I don't think h264 decoding is very optimized for our devices yet in mplayer core. | 22:46 |
| fysa | (very unoptimized) | 22:46 |
| fysa | BTW - Yabause, the Sega Saturn emulator, compiles cleanly. ;) | 22:46 |
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| reinard | that might be it... still, is there that no fullscreen option? | 22:47 |
| fysa | the fullscreen button on top works for me | 22:47 |
| reinard | hmm, that just crashes my device | 22:48 |
| fysa | you likely need a better mplayer then ;) | 22:48 |
| killfill | felipec: in here, it says with "Processing buffer" | 22:48 |
| killfill | stays | 22:48 |
| killfill | doesnt start playing | 22:48 |
| felipec | killfill: it takes a long while here, and doesn't play too well | 22:48 |
| felipec | but it does | 22:49 |
| reinard | my device is very unstable in everything though.. opera crashes every 2min (hangs and boots the device) | 22:49 |
| reinard | this happens in every it os i have tried | 22:49 |
| killfill | oh.. there it is.. i guess the buffer is hudge.. :P | 22:49 |
| killfill | :D | 22:50 |
| * pupnik relegates another evening to dosbox | 22:50 | |
| fysa | Have you tried Yabause yet, pupnik? | 22:50 |
| killfill | hm.. i hear strange things in the stream.. i thought it was my PC player.. seems to be the server.. | 22:50 |
| fysa | it will certainly be slow ;) | 22:50 |
| pupnik | haha no :) | 22:50 |
| fysa | compiling everything I can to play with later. | 22:50 |
| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/ | 22:51 |
| fysa | starting here | 22:51 |
| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?O.H.R.RPG.C.E | 22:52 |
| pupnik | if you work on something, please let me know - i might have already solved some problems without releasing | 22:52 |
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| fysa | sounds good | 22:53 |
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| GNUtoN810 | Hi | 22:54 |
| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?POWDER | 22:54 |
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| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Vulture%27s | 22:55 |
| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?UFO%3A%20Alien%20Invasion | 22:55 |
| pupnik | that one has been worked on by no less than fanoush, iirc | 22:56 |
| fysa | UFO? | 22:56 |
| pupnik | or maybe ssvb | 22:56 |
| fysa | or Vulture? | 22:56 |
| pupnik | ufo | 22:56 |
| fysa | it looks like bits of sdlquake/quetoo need to be shoehorned in. | 22:56 |
| pupnik | check itt forums | 22:56 |
| fysa | cool. | 22:56 |
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| pupnik | oh sorry, it's a different UFO | 23:00 |
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| fysa | ah. this is that old X-Com game.. ported to Q2 engine. | 23:02 |
| fysa | turn-based strategy | 23:02 |
| fysa | or, turn-based tactical maybe | 23:02 |
| fysa | doesn't need a high framerate, but should look nice.. anyway. | 23:03 |
| fysa | that's for later. | 23:03 |
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| maddler | woah! truecrypt ported to N800! :D | 23:08 |
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| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?FreeRa | 23:23 |
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| EruditeHermit | hi, where can I find a list of the default packages for OS2008 | 23:29 |
| EruditeHermit | also is there a repository with these packages? | 23:29 |
| hendry | EruditeHermit: i think http://www.gronmayer.com/it is what you need | 23:30 |
| EruditeHermit | hendry: yes I have those things installed | 23:30 |
| EruditeHermit | err those repositories | 23:30 |
| EruditeHermit | my problem is that I tried to install rtcom beta | 23:30 |
| EruditeHermit | but I realised that I didn't want to use beta stuff | 23:31 |
| EruditeHermit | so I tried removing the beta installer | 23:31 |
| EruditeHermit | but it left an item in my menu | 23:31 |
| EruditeHermit | and I am not sure if it left behind some packages that I don't need | 23:31 |
| hendry | debian packages are usually pretty good with removing things like menu items | 23:32 |
| hendry | can't really help you i'm afraid | 23:32 |
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| EruditeHermit | hendry: do you know where the default package list for OS2008 is? | 23:32 |
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| hendry | umm, i think it's all the packages in the repo with "Essential" or "Important" | 23:33 |
| hendry | a carefully craft apt-cache search or something will give you a list | 23:33 |
| hendry | a carefully craftED apt-cache search or something will give you a list | 23:34 |
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| EruditeHermit | hendry: the package osso-rtcom-oma has a "pi" in the information column of dpkg -l | 23:38 |
| EruditeHermit | what does the p mean? | 23:38 |
| * pupnik shakes a bony fist at the sky | 23:39 | |
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| fysa | does battledrome run? :) | 23:43 |
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| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Jagged%20Alliance%202%20-%20Stracciatella | 23:50 |
| Tama^2 | Stracciatella? | 23:51 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 23:51 |
| Tama^2 | like the icecream... it must be yummy game | 23:52 |
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| EruditeHermit | does anyone know where I can find the package osso-rtcom-oma? | 23:52 |
| Tama^2 | nope | 23:53 |
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| pH5 | fysa: 'straciatella' should run. I got it to run on an old ipaq hx4700. | 23:53 |
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| fysa | seems to build fine :) | 23:56 |
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| fysa | hmm. | 23:57 |
| fysa | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?typhoon%202001 | 23:57 |
| fysa | they say source available, but I can't find it. | 23:57 |
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