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| k-s[WORK] | ok, here is my brand new player: | 00:01 |
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| k-s[WORK] | http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/maemo/catota/ | 00:01 |
| k-s[WORK] | be sure to read README ;-) | 00:01 |
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| MoRpHeUz | k-s[WORK]: =) | 00:02 |
| gpolo | uhm, so you are from brazil =) | 00:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 00:03 |
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| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: ;-) | 00:09 |
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| gpolo | did you send some proposal to gsoc ? | 00:13 |
| gpolo | (checking opponents ;) | 00:13 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: no, I'm graduated already | 00:14 |
| gpolo | ah ok | 00:14 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: I work for indt | 00:14 |
| gpolo | what is indt ? | 00:14 |
| gpolo | industry ? | 00:14 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: many in this channel are from indt... MoRpHeUz, etrunko, osantana, ... | 00:15 |
| etrunko | o/ | 00:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia | 00:15 |
| gpolo | ahh | 00:15 |
| gpolo | nice | 00:15 |
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| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: it's non-profit | 00:15 |
| Tak|work | hah, I always wondered what indt stood for | 00:15 |
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| MoRpHeUz | =) | 00:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: founded by Nokia due brazilian "Informatics Law" | 00:15 |
| k-s[WORK] | you get a tax reduction if you invest in research and development | 00:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | "Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia" = "Nokia's Institute of Tecnology" | 00:16 |
| |tbb| | h all | 00:16 |
| gpolo | I see | 00:16 |
| gpolo | it is located in Sao Paulo, i guess | 00:16 |
| k-s[WORK] | almost every big company has one here in Brazil... motorola, erikson, samsung, ... | 00:16 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: no! Recife-Pernambuco | 00:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | gpolo: Recife - Pernambuco...not sao paulo =) | 00:16 |
| gpolo | ah, ok =) | 00:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | k-s[WORK]: =P | 00:16 |
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| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: although most developers came from sao paulo or paraná state | 00:17 |
| gpolo | im from paraná | 00:17 |
| k-s[WORK] | some from Minas Gerais | 00:17 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: we have some guys here that used to work for Conectiva | 00:17 |
| gpolo | ah, I see | 00:18 |
| gpolo | who from Conectiva is working there ? | 00:18 |
| gpolo | elvis ? | 00:18 |
| k-s[WORK] | yep | 00:18 |
| gpolo | good guess ;p | 00:18 |
| gpolo | uhm | 00:18 |
| k-s[WORK] | actually, elvis just moved back to his city | 00:18 |
| gpolo | it is joinville ? | 00:18 |
| k-s[WORK] | yep | 00:18 |
| gpolo | I remember a bit.. | 00:18 |
| gpolo | who else ? ruda ? | 00:19 |
| maddler | hi all... | 00:19 |
| |tbb| | heya maddler | 00:19 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: ruda also quit... he moved to terra... was due relationship (aka woman) | 00:19 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: hi | 00:19 |
| gpolo | hah | 00:20 |
| maddler | hi |tbb|... (no, as of now not so many chances for a new aircrcak-ng release :<) | 00:20 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: epx, rodarvus, ruda, marciom, osantana (aka acidbase), were all from conectiva... some left (rodarvus, ruda), some still here | 00:20 |
| gpolo | so, in indt | 00:21 |
| gpolo | you develop software for maemo ? | 00:21 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: we have basically 3 groups here: 1) ex-conectiva; 2) ex-banco do brasil; 3) ex-unicamp | 00:21 |
| gpolo | ah | 00:21 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: sure... Recife unity is all maemo... we still have Manaus unity with part maemo (kernel), part hardware testing | 00:21 |
| |tbb| | maddler :( , is it new that i can type big letters with the softkeyboard after i push a character and move the stylus to the upperi | 00:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: we have guys working with bluez (bluetooth), drivers (camera, fm), ... | 00:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | platform/pymaemo is also done here | 00:22 |
| gpolo | uhm | 00:22 |
| gpolo | what is pymaemo ? (bindings do python of course ?) | 00:23 |
| gpolo | to* | 00:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | yep | 00:23 |
| gpolo | uhm, I think I have a misleading vision of what maemo is then ;p | 00:23 |
| maddler | |tbb|: nope... undocumented but not new... | 00:23 |
| gpolo | I thought it was a "gnome" | 00:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: ? | 00:23 |
| |tbb| | maddler n770 does have it also? | 00:23 |
| gpolo | I never used it or anything, I still want to buy a n800, or n770 | 00:24 |
| gpolo | isnt maemo like a gnome ? | 00:24 |
| gpolo | a window manager | 00:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: nope | 00:25 |
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| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: maemo is more like a distro than a wm | 00:25 |
| gpolo | ah, I see | 00:25 |
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| gpolo | this resolved all my doubts about drivers etc | 00:25 |
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| gpolo | the last one is about pymaemo then | 00:25 |
| gpolo | what is the use of it ? | 00:25 |
| maddler | |tbb|: no idea... didn't tried... | 00:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: it's based on debian, provides a common framework, with gtk, x11, glibc, dpkg/apt, ... | 00:26 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], n770, n800 come with maemo, right ? | 00:26 |
| |tbb| | i wouldnt miss that feature after i have found it out, backspace is the most feature after then / .... | 00:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: maemo does provide a superset of gtk called "hildon"... it provides new widgets, services, ... these require bindings, these are provided by pymaemo project... together with python, pygtk, pybluez and py* compiled for ARM | 00:27 |
| gpolo | uhm, I've heard about hildon | 00:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: sure, Nokia builds its software platform on top of maemo | 00:27 |
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| gpolo | k-s[WORK], ahh, now I understood the reason for pymaemo then ;) | 00:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: but they add some proprietary stuff, like browser (opera), drivers (wireless) | 00:28 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], is it possible to compile software for maemo and test it without having a nokia gadget ? | 00:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: I'd go to maemo.org and read some docs under "developer" section... nokia invested many resources to create that docs, they're really great (indt helped with some ;-) | 00:29 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], ah ok :P | 00:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: sure, you can run it using scratchbox | 00:29 |
| Tak|work | for some value of "test" | 00:29 |
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| gpolo | k-s[WORK], I got scratchbox here, but I'm sure I did some mistake | 00:29 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], it doesnt detect any cpu-transparency methods | 00:30 |
| Pupnik | scratch box, what version | 00:30 |
| gpolo | core 1.0.7 | 00:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: scratchbox can be used with both x86 or ARM targets, it provides a chroot and binfmt configuration to run arm binaries through qemu-arm... then you can use Xnest/Xephyr to have a X server running inside your current X session, simulating the screen | 00:31 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], nice =) I just need to pass this point of detecting cpu-transparency then | 00:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: there is a pretty well written tutorial at maemo website... there is even an automatic script to do everything for you ;-) | 00:31 |
| gpolo | I think I will give a try for the automatic script | 00:32 |
| gpolo | cause I believe it is some problem of package versions | 00:32 |
| gpolo | core is at 1.0.7 but the toolchain for arm and i386 is 1.0.5 | 00:32 |
| gpolo | there wasnt a 1.0.7 version at scratchbox site | 00:32 |
| maddler | damn... me wonders how the hell Zyxell name their routers!!! | 00:32 |
| osfameron | wtf! what is the metalayer-crawler ? | 00:32 |
| maddler | osfameron: beside being something eating your CPU? :) | 00:33 |
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| osfameron | it's got hold of one of my media files and so is aking my mmc unmounable by pc | 00:33 |
| maddler | is the daemon in charge of crawling your system getting informations about multimedia files... | 00:33 |
| osfameron | maddler: i hadn't noticed cpu drain.. | 00:33 |
| maddler | lucky you... :) | 00:34 |
| * k-s[WORK] remembers that we must agree on a common crawler so canola uses it | 00:34 | |
| k-s[WORK] | :-D | 00:34 |
| osfameron | how do i kill the useless pos? | 00:34 |
| maddler | I'd vote for the canola way! :D | 00:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: canola-conf? | 00:34 |
| maddler | osfameron: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler stop | 00:34 |
| osfameron | i thought it was canola so i unistalled it... | 00:34 |
| osfameron | oh, t | 00:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | osfameron: don't blame me ;-) | 00:35 |
| osfameron | ta | 00:35 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: basically only look in "known" directories... | 00:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: ah, :-) | 00:35 |
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| maddler | I keep saying that crawling the whole system is overkill... | 00:35 |
| osfameron | how is a muggle supposed to know that? ;-) | 00:35 |
| maddler | and with 8GB cards coming... | 00:35 |
| maddler | osfameron: asking here :D | 00:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: maemo should provide databases with already known data, so we'd remove our scanner and just use it instead | 00:35 |
| osfameron | oh crawling is fine | 00:35 |
| Tak|work | maddler: I agree | 00:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: I can imagine scanning whole Mapper cache! | 00:36 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: yep... but at least canola only look in configured paths... | 00:36 |
| osfameron | it jst makes the usb disk unmountable, which sucks | 00:36 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: indeed... DEATH! | 00:36 |
| Veggen | maddler: ought be easy to configure, at least. | 00:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: actually, next canola will just scan configured paths for configured filetypes | 00:36 |
| maddler | Veggen: yep... I addedd a CRAWLPATH to my metalyer-crawler script... | 00:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | maddler: avoid listing your cover.png under pictures ;-) | 00:36 |
| Veggen | maddler: I do, for example, *not* want canola to index the whole of my Maemo Mapper cached maps :) | 00:36 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: good... good... | 00:37 |
| Tak|work | yeah, canola scans my mapper cache by default | 00:37 |
| osfameron | sh: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler: not found | 00:37 |
| maddler | Veggen: simply tell canoa to look in your MP3s directory... | 00:37 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Tak|work: yep, but since there is now std layout for mmcs, it's better than not list any media | 00:37 |
| maddler | osfameron: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 | 00:37 |
| Veggen | maddler: well, yes. I figured it out, but it wasn't totally obvious how it was. | 00:37 |
| Tak|work | yeah, I just have to go and reconfooble my directories | 00:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: we have even a video on youtube explaning how | 00:38 |
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| Veggen | k-s: Oh. Who reads documentation anyways? ;P | 00:38 |
| osfameron | maddler: ta, just did that, grat! | 00:38 |
| maddler | osfameron: :) | 00:38 |
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| osfameron | er, great! | 00:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | the only weird thing is that you have to remove the old dir and add the new one... but it's logical at least | 00:38 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: indeed... | 00:39 |
| osfameron | will that kill it for good? | 00:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | anyway, canola will be open source, you can help | 00:39 |
| Veggen | k-s: Might have been there I saw the solution, though. | 00:39 |
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| Veggen | Mmm, canola is actually quite good. But it needs to be able to cache podcasts ;) (does it already?) | 00:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: no... lsobral is working on it right now | 00:40 |
| maddler | beside a wget works fine... :) | 00:40 |
| Veggen | Place number one that I want podcasts on my n800, is on the bus. | 00:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: idea is to have a common infrastructure to cache things, and a cache manager (configurable, of course) | 00:40 |
| maddler | not _the_ solution... but a workaround... | 00:40 |
| gpolo | simple renderings with cairo runs nice under n770/n800 ? | 00:40 |
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| Veggen | maddler: Not so easy to use. For that reason, I actually prefer gpodder to canola for podcasts right now. | 00:41 |
| maddler | :) | 00:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | problem is not just downloading, but limiting cache, doing invalidation, expire, ... and let user know how to manage it, otherwise you'll start to wonder why your 1Gb mmc just have 512mb free :-P | 00:41 |
| Veggen | gpodder at least caches, even if interface isn't so pretty. | 00:41 |
| maddler | k-s[WORK]: hehehehe... true... true... | 00:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: no... it sucks because cairo still sucks... carl is working on that and we may see improvements on next versions | 00:42 |
| Veggen | k-s: me, I'd even prefer just handling it manually. | 00:42 |
| gpolo | k-s[WORK], sucks really bad ? ;/ | 00:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | gpolo: yep, a lot | 00:42 |
| Veggen | ..deleting, that is. | 00:42 |
| gpolo | damn ;/ | 00:42 |
| gpolo | but cworth is cool =) | 00:42 |
| * maddler will award a free domain name to everyone will find what's the difference among Zyxell 660H-61 and 660H-D1 routers!!! | 00:42 | |
| gpolo | maddler, it is clear! | 00:43 |
| maddler | s/everyone/anyone/ | 00:43 |
| maddler | beside the name! | 00:43 |
| maddler | ;) | 00:43 |
| gpolo | maddler, aww | 00:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: our idea is to have it in some File manager visible path (~/MyDocs/.documents/canola-cache and /media/mmc{1,2}/canola-cache), so you'd be able to do that even without our UI | 00:43 |
| Veggen | k-s: hmm....have configuration specify a cache dir, a limit, and auto-expire (by age), but with the possibility to mark something for keeping? | 00:44 |
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| Veggen | That shouldn't be too hard. | 00:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: well... being a cache, names will be some kind of unique id, hashes or like, but you'll be able to see files and manage them... translation of ids to original path will be held in a .txt | 00:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: that's the idea | 00:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: it's not too hard... but you need to be careful to listen to GnomeVFS {pre-,}{un,}mount events... avoiding blocking the mmc, like happened to osfameron | 00:46 |
| Tak|work | maddler: 0x70 | 00:46 |
| Veggen | mmm, I guess. | 00:46 |
| maddler | Tak|work: :P | 00:46 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 00:46 |
| Veggen | "blocking the mmc"? | 00:46 |
| maddler | ok... to make it clear... I meant "tech" differences... | 00:47 |
| Veggen | is that something I should know about? | 00:47 |
| Veggen | I have had my mmc go all read only on me. | 00:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | Veggen: if you have files open on MMC you can't unmount it, so you can't remove the MMC... otherwise you'll get a corrupted filesystem | 00:47 |
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| Veggen | ah. | 00:47 |
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| lle2 | sb2 has moved: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 | 00:52 |
| Tak|work | hah - I bet daniels is happy that touch is fixed | 00:53 |
| lle2 | I hope so :) | 00:53 |
| lle2 | or maybe he's silently cursing that a perfectly good excuse not to have to test sb2 disappeared... | 00:54 |
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| k-s[WORK] | koen|gprs: already read vivi's post? mamona is using openembeded :-) | 01:06 |
| koen|gprs | k-s[WORK]: yes, I did :) | 01:09 |
| koen|gprs | it inspired me to add llvm to OE | 01:10 |
| koen|gprs | (or atleast make an attempt to add it) | 01:10 |
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| sp3000 | hmh | 02:07 |
| sp3000 | init: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes | 02:07 |
| sp3000 | /etc/inittab:T0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 | 02:08 |
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| Pupnik | hi i've got a strange thing | 02:46 |
| glass | ? | 02:47 |
| glass | probably can't answer with anything though | 02:47 |
| glass | with a little sympathy | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | :) | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | thanks | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 | 02:47 |
| glass | if even with that | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | see this prog uses pkg-config to show what libs it needs to link in | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | which makes sense | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | and i seem to have them | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | cause if i do like ldconfig -p |grep gtk-x11 | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | libgtk-x11-2.0.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | but the make gives me | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 | 02:49 |
| * Pupnik ponders | 02:50 | |
| * Pupnik wonders if arm-none-linux-gnueabi is the right cross compiler thingy to use | 02:54 | |
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| Pupnik | looks right | 02:54 |
| Pupnik | what's the best -mtune for 770? | 02:59 |
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| Pupnik | hmm either arm920t or arm940t | 03:05 |
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| megabyte405 | hey folks, quite the party - Was wondering if the install script for the maemo/scratchbox environment is the ideal route on amd64 | 04:07 |
| megabyte405 | I do have a chroot, but I'm concerned that I may run into more problems using that. | 04:07 |
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| Pupnik | a maemo hacking party would be fun | 04:20 |
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| Pupnik | someplace shady | 04:20 |
| Pupnik | with pizza, beer | 04:20 |
| bhima | I don't like beer. Can we have mountain dew instead? | 04:21 |
| megabyte405 | see, the talk of the party really started discussion :) | 04:23 |
| megabyte405 | it seems from browsing lists that there is no supersimple way to get scratchbox going on amd64 aside from a scratchbox2 or a chroot, so I think I will go ahead with the script in chroot - is there any reason why that shouldn't work? | 04:24 |
| bhima | I would've said something if I thought I could help. sorry. :( | 04:24 |
| gpolo | niceeeeeeeee | 04:25 |
| megabyte405 | no problem - I can see by browsing the list that amd64 is still less popular than I would have thought | 04:25 |
| megabyte405 | thanks though! | 04:25 |
| * megabyte405 is trying to "ask good questions" | 04:26 | |
| unique311 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 04:26 |
| unique311 | make: *** [PicoDrive] Error 1 | 04:26 |
| unique311 | anybody good with Makefiles | 04:27 |
| megabyte405 | are these the best/most recent instructions? 82.96.64.4 | 04:27 |
| megabyte405 | argh http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/INSTALL.txt (the freenode irc server won't help any...) | 04:28 |
| gpolo | just installed scratchbox, maemo is up and running ;) | 04:29 |
| gpolo | when installing packages through scratchbox, I should just do the way I do normally ? | 04:30 |
| gpolo | what kinds of command should I use with fakeroot ? | 04:30 |
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| gpolo | where is the pygtk pack ? | 04:39 |
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| dick-richardson | Can anyone recommend a good graphing calculator replacment for the n800? I'm used to my ti-85, but would like to only carry 1 device. More specifically, I'm looking for the equation solver functionality. | 05:35 |
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| Tak | Pupnik: what keymappings did you use? | 06:34 |
| Pupnik | for snes9x? should be in the tarball whatever they are | 06:35 |
| Pupnik | i just used defaults | 06:35 |
| Pupnik | enter for start... d and c for keys | 06:35 |
| Tak | heh | 06:36 |
| * Tak goes to remap some buttons | 06:36 | |
| Pupnik | i'm curious but dreading to hear how fast it is on the n800 | 06:37 |
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| Tak | haven't gotten a chance on n800 yet | 06:38 |
| Tak | chrono trigger intro seemed reasonable on 770 | 06:38 |
| Pupnik | yeah i played it for a few minutes | 06:39 |
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| Pupnik | looks gorgeous doesn't it | 06:40 |
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| Pupnik | i'm looking forward to it with xsp and your button mod | 06:40 |
| Tak | yeah, it needs buttons | 06:41 |
| Pupnik | please let me know if you discover any snes9x.conf settings that improve speed | 06:44 |
| Tak | I'm poking around in there right now | 06:45 |
| Tak | you might want to play around with frameskip | 06:46 |
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| Tak | hmm, you get it to run fs? | 06:56 |
| Pupnik | no the x11 window stuff is untouched | 06:56 |
| Pupnik | it insists on stretching to full available screen, and not running fs | 06:57 |
| Pupnik | can you get it to run at 1x non-stretched mode? | 06:57 |
| Pupnik | looks broken to me | 06:57 |
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| Tak | nope | 07:00 |
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| Pupnik | I'm saving up for a faster tablet :) | 07:02 |
| Tak | heh | 07:02 |
| * Tak waits for intro to end | 07:02 | |
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| Pupnik | the gp2x folks are making some claims about pocketsnes v6 being fairly fast on the 250mhz arm9 cpu | 07:03 |
| Pupnik | (overclocked) | 07:03 |
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| Pupnik | somebody requested a C64 emu | 07:07 |
| Pupnik | Frodo running at 300% speed right now | 07:07 |
| Tak | hmm - I'm never going to catch the rat with these controls | 07:07 |
| Pupnik | at least you can make it run slow | 07:09 |
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| Tak | hah, but you need to be 'running' | 07:10 |
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| Tak | hmm - does weird things when you browse around in the x-menu | 07:34 |
| Tak | well, good work - very playable with remapped keys | 07:37 |
| Pupnik | i've seen it break on a few things, but *shrug* | 07:38 |
| Pupnik | thanks | 07:38 |
| Pupnik | you just tested on 770? or 800 too? | 07:39 |
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| Pupnik | i think sound might be possible on the 800 | 07:40 |
| Tak | just 770 for now | 07:41 |
| Pupnik | ok | 07:41 |
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| Pupnik | trying to figure out how picodrive wants to build right now | 07:42 |
| Tak | heh, good luck | 07:42 |
| Pupnik | ty | 07:42 |
| Pupnik | you looked at it before yes? | 07:42 |
| Pupnik | i can compile the two cores and the 770 | 07:44 |
| Pupnik | unique built menu.o, though i don't know how | 07:45 |
| Pupnik | but oh well it's a mess right now | 07:46 |
| Tak | all the asm stuff would never link for me | 07:46 |
| Pupnik | i started with the linux build | 07:46 |
| Pupnik | then pulled over pieces of the gpx makefile | 07:46 |
| Pupnik | now it's not linking picodrive though | 07:47 |
| Pupnik | no idea why | 07:47 |
| Pupnik | then there's plenty of errors left | 07:47 |
| Pupnik | so it'll be a couple of days i guess | 07:47 |
| Pupnik | if you want the current tarbal, have at it | 07:48 |
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| Pupnik | Anybody want to test the C64 emulator (Frodo)? I just compiled it and put it online here: http://ln-s.net/OnO | 08:06 |
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| Pupnik | Frodo C64 Emulator screenshot here: http://ln-s.net/OnQ | 08:07 |
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| Pupnik | maybe frodo, dosbox, uae and snes9x could be launched with the xmaeme frontend | 08:17 |
| Pupnik | so it'd be your one-stop-emulation launcher | 08:18 |
| JussiP | Damn that looks nice. | 08:18 |
| Pupnik | hi JussiP :) | 08:18 |
| Pupnik | my emu-for-the-day :D | 08:18 |
| JussiP | What's the frame rate? | 08:19 |
| Pupnik | i dunno, running at idle i get 300% of c64 speed | 08:19 |
| JussiP | Now someone has to hack a USB/1541 disk drive connector and plug that to the 770. | 08:20 |
| Tak | Pupnik: no reason why not | 08:21 |
| Tak | tab-based interface might need to be reworked | 08:22 |
| Pupnik | i'd sure like to see if uae can run with cyclone core | 08:23 |
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| Pupnik | oh and POSE too | 08:23 |
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| Pupnik | I really want to get reesy's pocketsnes running "A mixture of SquidgeSNES and the PocketSNES Renderer. Supports transparencies and runs most games fullspeed at 250 MHz!" | 09:03 |
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| Tak | what would also be helpful imo is to have a dsp task for the audio emulation | 09:19 |
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| Pupnik | Yeah, here's an overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPC700 | 09:26 |
| Pupnik | apparently it's basically a wavetable playback chip, so to emulate it, you don't need to do expensive fm synthesis | 09:26 |
| Pupnik | which also means it's not optimal for dsp-based emulation but still possibly doable | 09:27 |
| Tak | it'll take load off the main core though, which is my primary concern | 09:29 |
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| Tak | like with fceu, at least half the cpu time is used by its (admittedly sucky) audio engine | 09:32 |
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| Bighugo | hi | 09:40 |
| Bighugo | evrybody know minimo? | 09:41 |
| Pupnik | ah the SNES also has some synthesis hardware, not just sample playback, which could be fairly expensive to emulate | 09:41 |
| Pupnik | hi Bighugo yeah, what about it | 09:41 |
| Bighugo | hi Pupnik | 09:41 |
| Bighugo | i wonder whether minimo source is available now | 09:42 |
| Bighugo | do you know that? | 09:42 |
| Pupnik | http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/minimo | 09:43 |
| Bighugo | thanks. | 09:44 |
| Bighugo | i mean the port for maemo | 09:44 |
| Pupnik | http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/source/ | 09:44 |
| Pupnik | hmm empty | 09:44 |
| Pupnik | :/ | 09:44 |
| Bighugo | yeah | 09:44 |
| Bighugo | seems Nokia guys haven't opened source, right? | 09:45 |
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| Bighugo | did you use minimo on N770 or N800? | 09:45 |
| Pupnik | no opera good enough | 09:45 |
| Bighugo | but opera is close source | 09:45 |
| Pupnik | i am glad they are making minimo | 09:46 |
| Bighugo | i am curious about minimo's UI | 09:46 |
| Bighugo | Is it written by XUL or other language? | 09:46 |
| Pupnik | i don't know anything about minimo | 09:47 |
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| Bighugo | anyway, thank you1 | 09:47 |
| Pupnik | you're welcome | 09:47 |
| Bighugo | one more question | 09:48 |
| Bighugo | do you know how many extensions are supported by opera on N770/n800? | 09:48 |
| Pupnik | no. do you mean like flash? | 09:48 |
| Bighugo | no, i think flash is a plugin | 09:49 |
| Bighugo | there are a lot of extension for firefox | 09:49 |
| Pupnik | you mean like filedownloader, adblocker? | 09:49 |
| Bighugo | extension is used to extend firefox's feature | 09:49 |
| Bighugo | right | 09:49 |
| Pupnik | are there *any* extensions for opera? | 09:50 |
| Bighugo | i don't know | 09:50 |
| Bighugo | so i ask you about it | 09:50 |
| Bighugo | i think for firefox or minimo, it's important | 09:51 |
| Pupnik | well find out who is working on minimo and talk to them, i'm sure they know more | 09:51 |
| Bighugo | yeah | 09:51 |
| Bighugo | thank you | 09:51 |
| Pupnik | this is an open source community | 09:51 |
| Pupnik | you can talk to the developers :) | 09:51 |
| Bighugo | good night | 09:51 |
| Pupnik | not like windows world :) | 09:51 |
| Pupnik | good night | 09:52 |
| Bighugo | :) | 09:52 |
| Pupnik | ok fixed the linking error in picodrive | 09:53 |
| Pupnik | now need to fix the gtk errors in gp2x.c (or pull gp2x.c entirely?) and fix the strange errors in Memory, Draw2, Pico, drz80 | 09:54 |
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| Pupnik | btw Tak, the YM2612 on the genesis is an FM chip. dunno how heavy it is to emulate | 10:05 |
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| CountDown | Is gst-launch built into Maemo? | 10:34 |
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| CountDown | Or, if gst-launch isn't built-in, what's the best way to get it running? I couldn't find any packages, but there was what looked like an old website recommending building in scratchbox. | 10:40 |
| Pupnik | do you need to know what package provides gst-launch? | 10:41 |
| jkyro | CountDown: install gstreamer-tools | 10:41 |
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| CountDown | jkyro: I don't see gstreamer-tools in the application catalog. Where else might it be? | 10:43 |
| jkyro | just use apt-get | 10:43 |
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| jkyro | CountDown: you familiar with apt? | 10:44 |
| CountDown | Okay, thanks... time to figure out how to become root. | 10:44 |
| CountDown | Yeah, I'm comfortable with apt, but I still haven't made myself root yet. | 10:45 |
| jkyro | an alternative is to use Red Pill mode in teh application installer | 10:45 |
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| jkyro | that shows all packages, not just the ones in category user | 10:45 |
| CountDown | How do I take the red pill? | 10:46 |
| jkyro | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/EnableRedPillMode | 10:46 |
| jkyro | or http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html | 10:47 |
| CountDown | Time to brush up on my French. | 10:47 |
| jkyro | the latter is in english | 10:47 |
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| CountDown | jkyro: Thanks... I'm in red pill mode. I just refreshed the packages list and installed gstreamer-tools. | 10:56 |
| CountDown | And it looks like gst-launch-0.10 is available from xterm. | 10:57 |
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| CountDown | Any idea on how to get it to stream from the built-in web cam? | 10:58 |
| zeenix | CountDown: gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! xvimagesink | 10:59 |
| zeenix | also append ' sync=false' to that cmd | 10:59 |
| CountDown | ! or | | 10:59 |
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| CountDown | I've never used gstreamer. :) | 10:59 |
| zeenix | CountDown: ! | 10:59 |
| zeenix | CountDown: | is used by the shell | 11:00 |
| CountDown | zeenix: Right, thanks. So, where will this stream go to? | 11:00 |
| zeenix | try it and you'll know :) | 11:01 |
| CountDown | ah, i can guess. i'll give it a whirl. | 11:01 |
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| CountDown | Who is that handsome guy? :) | 11:02 |
| CountDown | Is that being encoded by h263? | 11:03 |
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| CountDown | Now that I have something working, it's time for some RTFMing... any suggestions on good docs for gst-launch (man page, etc.)? | 11:05 |
| zeenix | CountDown: you better start reading Gstreamer App. Programmers manual | 11:06 |
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| zeenix | CountDown: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/index.html | 11:07 |
| CountDown | zeenix: Will do. All I'm trying to do is stream the audio/video to a QuickTime compatible server for redistribution. Is that manual a good place to start for that? If possible, I'd like to avoid modifying code. :) | 11:08 |
| zeenix | CountDown: that manual is a good place to start, whatever you intend to do with gst :) | 11:08 |
| CountDown | zeenix: Excellent... thanks a bunch. | 11:09 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:36 |
| Pupnik | hello AD-N770 | 11:36 |
| CountDown | Hello AD-N770. | 11:38 |
| Pupnik | it's funny how many programs are out there that compile almost without changes for the nokias | 11:40 |
| AD-N770 | hello all, gray day in Barcelona | 11:41 |
| Pupnik | sunny in hessen, germany | 11:41 |
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| zeenix | would you people believe it if i say "it's nice and sunny in helsinki as well" ? :) | 11:51 |
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| inz | nice and sunny in Tampere too | 11:52 |
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| osfameron | yeah, helsinki is nice in the sun | 11:55 |
| osfameron | sunny here in florence | 11:55 |
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| _m0 | hi @all | 12:13 |
| Pupnik | salut | 12:15 |
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| Appears | hi | 12:16 |
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| sbaturzio | aloha! | 12:29 |
| Pupnik | hi sbaturzio | 12:29 |
| sbaturzio | Pupnik: ciao | 12:29 |
| Pupnik | are you using pixel-doubling on your game? | 12:30 |
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| maddler | morning dudes! | 12:43 |
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| CountDown | hark. | 13:01 |
| CountDown | So, I'm using the snazzy xterm for Maemo and am somewhat chagrinned by the fact that the passwords I type into it are saved in the word completion list. Is there a way to prevent this? | 13:03 |
| CountDown | Also, is there the equivalent of a .bashrc file where I can put a bunch of aliases? | 13:03 |
| inz | Count, I've been looking for one, but this far haven't found any solution for hiding the passwords... | 13:04 |
| inz | Count, and I should apply a patch by mgedmin to get the busybox ash act as a login shell, so it would read .profile | 13:04 |
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| CountDown | There should be a special toggle button in the column of control buttons that prevents text from being saved in the word completion buffer. | 13:05 |
| CountDown | (column of xterm soft buttons, not N800 hardware buttons) | 13:05 |
| inz | Count, that way it could be done, yes | 13:05 |
| inz | Count, but I would like a solution which detected if character echo was off or on, but haven't found one. =( | 13:06 |
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| maddler | CountDown: a possibile solution for having .bashrc executed in xterm is using bash instead of sh/busybox as shell in xterm | 13:08 |
| maddler | I post a quick workaround on http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves | 13:08 |
| maddler | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/02/11/osso_xterm_and_bash | 13:09 |
| maddler | hmmm... I know this is not the "right" place... but... has anyone ever tried establishing an UMTS connection using Linux+E61? | 13:12 |
| maddler | I'm using wvdial, and everything works fine with N80... but with E61 looks like ppp can't correctly connect (error 16, modem hang hup IIRC) | 13:13 |
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| osfameron | maddler: nice one re .bashrc! | 13:18 |
| maddler | osfameron: hehehe... thank you... :) | 13:19 |
| maddler | but please note that new tabs will keep using sh as shell... :( | 13:19 |
| osfameron | can't be helped I suppose. | 13:20 |
| osfameron | I really must get a bluetooth keyboard, using touchscreen for irc is a big pain in the bum | 13:20 |
| osfameron | I mean, using it for the xterm is a pain, the keyboard ends up taking most of the screen and keeps appearing and disappearing, bah | 13:21 |
| inz | osfameron, I try to avoid the on-screen kbd as much as I can... | 13:21 |
| inz | osfameron, although now that I have a laptop, I no longer irc on N800/770... | 13:22 |
| CountDown | maddler: Thanks for the pointer... I'll take a look. | 13:23 |
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| osfameron | inz: yeah, I can no longer get my laptop to see my mobile phone - Linux + mobile phone connection via usb = world of pain | 13:24 |
| osfameron | it may have been buggy and crashy on windows, and yes, the Nokia PC suite is a festering bag of pus, but *sometimes* it worked. | 13:24 |
| jku | CountDown, there is a sort of workaround: when you see your password on the word-list, click-and-hold and select "remove". | 13:25 |
| jku | passwd is obviously still saved on the machine, but at least it's not visible on the list... | 13:26 |
| maddler | jku: niiiice | 13:29 |
| maddler | being able to remove mispelled words is nice as well... | 13:30 |
| jku | tru dat | 13:30 |
| maddler | or vim stuff... | 13:31 |
| maddler | I have many uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu or xxxxxxxxxxxxx | 13:31 |
| maddler | :) | 13:31 |
| maddler | even if a something like a "dictionary manager" would be kinda nice... | 13:32 |
| maddler | words are saved in a file in ~/user | 13:32 |
| maddler | should find the time to understand its format... | 13:33 |
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| inz | mgedmin's patch for login shell now applied in 0.13.mh23(bora1) | 13:34 |
| maddler | inz: good... | 13:36 |
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| unique311 | morning | 14:39 |
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| konttori | morning | 14:40 |
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| unique311 | Pupnik | 14:41 |
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| unique311 | whats up konttori | 14:43 |
| unique311 | had fun trying to port picodrive yesterday | 14:43 |
| unique311 | brb... | 14:43 |
| konttori | Not much. Tried to get RC1 ready yesterday, but had a few critical bugs still. Maybe today... | 14:44 |
| konttori | Did you have any success with pico? | 14:44 |
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| konttori | unique311: did you score any progress with pico? | 16:15 |
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| _m0 | hi @all | 16:32 |
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| Pio | "The Melbourne Age reports that company officials announced Tuesday that Palm will move to a new Linux-based platform 'to help the company compete better.' | 18:20 |
| jku_ | Can't make up their minds, eh? | 18:26 |
| jku_ | Didn't they just move to Windows mobile? | 18:27 |
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| Pio | yeah | 18:30 |
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| jku_ | That'll go nicely with the developer community :) | 18:35 |
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| konttori_ | I wonder if they'll adopt maemo. Now, that would be a laugh! | 18:50 |
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| bill20r3 | I appear to have dorked up my N800, it doesn't find any wifi AP's | 20:58 |
| bill20r3 | or rather, it doesn't look. | 20:58 |
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| maddler | bill20r3: rebooted? changed anything? | 21:00 |
| bill20r3 | I was messing with airodump... | 21:00 |
| bill20r3 | oops. | 21:00 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, it's back | 21:01 |
| bill20r3 | I did a cold-boot, instead of just warm rebooting it. | 21:01 |
| bill20r3 | whew. | 21:01 |
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| Tak|work | hmm, is the app catalog down, or am I just unlucky? | 21:03 |
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| Tak|work | heh | 21:04 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: yeah the drivers hate rfmon | 21:04 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: that's what's keeping me from having an official kismet release still, once I work out how to reliably reinitialize the drivers to a safe state | 21:05 |
| dragorn | i'll script it up and package it | 21:05 |
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| bill20r3 | I haven't replaced my driver, does the stock one support injection? | 21:06 |
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| maddler | dragorn: here I have no probles after using Kismet... | 21:10 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: no | 21:10 |
| maddler | I only need to "reconnect"... | 21:10 |
| dragorn | bill20r3: nor will it, it's locked out in the binary component | 21:11 |
| dragorn | maddler: hm, it's not quite so reliable for me | 21:11 |
| dragorn | maddler: so I need to figure out how to thrash it accordingly into shape | 21:11 |
| maddler | dragorn: yup... drop me a line if I can help... | 21:11 |
| dragorn | i've got the devices | 21:11 |
| dragorn | i just need the time | 21:11 |
| dragorn | i mean, kismet SHOULD be restoring the state, so it's something nokia-specific | 21:12 |
| bill20r3 | sadness. | 21:12 |
| dragorn | plus the n800 drivers crash in rfmon a few seconds in | 21:12 |
| bill20r3 | hopefully someone will "fix" it. | 21:12 |
| dragorn | so I have to make a driver-replacer script for them and then integrate that into kismet | 21:12 |
| dragorn | and make a menu launcher to run it inside osso | 21:12 |
| dragorn | and set up a sudoer entry to kismet to run as root automatically. | 21:12 |
| dragorn | fun is. | 21:13 |
| maddler | dragorn: :) | 21:13 |
| maddler | and I should start working to package a newwer release of aircrack-ng as well... | 21:14 |
| maddler | TIME! I need *time*! | 21:14 |
| maddler | more time... | 21:14 |
| bill20r3 | so cracking wep is pretty much a no-go, since you'll never collect enough ivs without injection working. | 21:27 |
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| bill20r3 | "so I hear" of course. | 21:28 |
| Pio | well you *can* | 21:28 |
| Pio | just takes a while | 21:28 |
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| bill20r3 | like, hours, not minutes. | 21:29 |
| Pio | yeah | 21:29 |
| bill20r3 | hmm | 21:29 |
| bill20r3 | its just a curiosity anyway, I suppose. | 21:30 |
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| dragorn | once the 800 has usb host mode thinks will get interesting | 21:32 |
| bill20r3 | you mean because you could use an external wifi adapter, with better drivers? | 21:34 |
| dragorn | yes | 21:37 |
| dragorn | s/thinks/things/ | 21:37 |
| bill20r3 | what's the current status of host mode anyway, is anyone working on the driver? | 21:38 |
| dragorn | there is no way for anyone to | 21:39 |
| dragorn | the actual interface code is all in a umac binary blob | 21:39 |
| dragorn | the driver in garage is a minimal skeleton which turns skb into blob data | 21:39 |
| bill20r3 | ahh, so it's wait for nokia, or start from scratch.. | 21:39 |
| dragorn | all the control of the card is passed through to the blob | 21:39 |
| dragorn | in theory the prism54 softmac could be made to work | 21:39 |
| dragorn | but I can't get it to, and the project looks to be dead anyhow | 21:40 |
| bill20r3 | the old gpl-runaround. | 21:40 |
| dragorn | and moved into the d80211 p54 driver, which a) only works on git extracts of the wireless tree | 21:40 |
| dragorn | and b) looks like it wouldn't work anyhow in this case | 21:40 |
| bill20r3 | bummer. | 21:40 |
| dragorn | it's a big CF of a mess | 21:41 |
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| bill20r3 | can I do a flash, and preserve my installed apps/ | 21:46 |
| bill20r3 | ? | 21:46 |
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| bill20r3 | by backing up/restoring certain directories, or are all the launcher files mixed in with the stock ones/ | 21:47 |
| bill20r3 | ? | 21:47 |
| * bill20r3 is bad at shift. | 21:47 | |
| Tak|work | you can preserve your stock repos | 21:48 |
| Tak|work | by manually backing up /etc/apt/sources.list | 21:48 |
| bill20r3 | and then reinstall the apps? | 21:48 |
| bill20r3 | dpkg -l > applist.txt | 21:48 |
| dragorn | the backup util will back up almost everything, including your repo list, but not including the sw | 21:48 |
| bill20r3 | cat awk apt, etc. | 21:48 |
| dragorn | be careful w/ that, since you'll have thinks like busybox in that list, and messing w/ that cross-flash images will likely break your system | 21:49 |
| Tak|work | does the new backup get the repo list? mine never has in the past | 21:49 |
| dragorn | Tak|work: Mine did on the 800 | 21:49 |
| dieguito | wouldn't it be better --get-selections ? | 21:49 |
| bill20r3 | yeah, I'd do another list, and only install the stuff that's not allready there. | 21:49 |
| dragorn | dammit i can't hit the 'g' key, thats twice i've mistyped things. what the hell is wrong with me today | 21:49 |
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| b0unc3 | hello | 23:12 |
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| maddler | b0unc3: have you got something to tell me? :) | 23:36 |
| maddler | b0unc3: you know... just before you forget it! :D | 23:36 |
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| Noahj | Ooh, logs | 23:45 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: hmmm... no... | 23:47 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: have you tested the last release of idea ? I think there are too many bugs .... | 23:49 |
| maddler | Noahj: hi... | 23:51 |
| Noahj | Hi. | 23:51 |
| maddler | b0unc3: nope... not really... should I give it a try? | 23:51 |
| maddler | Noahj: welcome... | 23:51 |
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| Noahj | I've got Maemo... internet tablet OS... (are they interchangable, as far as the 770 is concerned? 2.2006.39-14... is there anything besides find a soldering iron and make http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm that I have to do, software-wise, beforehand? | 23:53 |
| Noahj | (it says to flash the latest version, do I have to?) | 23:53 |
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| Noahj | (oh, I forgot to mention that as far as deving on the 770 goes, I'm a complete noob.) | 23:55 |
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| maddler | installing the latest 770 OS would be a nice move anyway... | 23:56 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: only if you want... | 23:56 |
| maddler | b0unc3: ok... I'll try to kill it tomorrow :D | 23:57 |
| b0unc3 | maddler: ok, but use the last release... | 23:58 |
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