| konttori_ | UKMP Release Candidate 1 done! | 00:00 |
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| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=234 | 00:00 |
| konttori_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1215/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0RC1.deb | 00:00 |
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| maddler | niiice... | 00:06 |
| philn_ | what's that "select location" popup? | 00:07 |
| maddler | philn_: ? | 00:08 |
| maddler | konttori_: question: does it try to follow symlinks? | 00:09 |
| konttori_ | No idea. Might be | 00:09 |
| maddler | I have a "rootFS -> /" in MyDocs... ;) | 00:09 |
| maddler | so it could basically enter an endless loop... | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | Umm... Cycle coming up... | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | I'll drop mydocs from the next release. That should solve it. | 00:10 |
| konttori_ | I hope no-one will make symlinks to their mmcs | 00:10 |
| philn_ | konttori_: hmm ID3.py file in /usr/bin ? | 00:11 |
| konttori_ | Oh. sorry it was a no problem | 00:11 |
| maddler | skipping "MyDocs/.sounds" naaaaaa... | 00:11 |
| konttori_ | self.getOSDir("/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds", filelist) | 00:11 |
| konttori_ | So, it only goes through .sounds, not entire mydocs | 00:11 |
| maddler | I'd suggest to only skip symlinks... | 00:11 |
| maddler | konttori_: oh... that sounds better... | 00:12 |
| konttori_ | philn_: Umm.. is that a problem? | 00:12 |
| philn_ | well, usually python modules don't seat in bin/ directories.. they are in /usr/lib/python2.x/site-packages | 00:13 |
| philn_ | also you might want to depends on python-pygame no? | 00:13 |
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| konttori_ | philn_: Yeah. Always just thought it would be for granted on 770 / N800 | 00:14 |
| maddler | konttori_: as I supposed... while scanning it enters an endless loop with symlinks... :) | 00:14 |
| konttori_ | But true. I'll add that dependency to next release | 00:14 |
| philn_ | i don't know the policy for maemo.. but sounds scary to me | 00:14 |
| Tak|work | yeah, you want to depend | 00:15 |
| Tak|work | my device doesn't have python | 00:15 |
| maddler | f/wg 22 | 00:15 |
| maddler | whops | 00:15 |
| konttori_ | There is a dependency for python, just not for pygame | 00:15 |
| konttori_ | maddler: Oh. Shame. It should only go through MMCs 1,2,3 and the aforementioned MyDocs/.sounds | 00:16 |
| konttori_ | Oh, you need to have network access open on your first run if you want to get cd covers. | 00:17 |
| maddler | OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/media/mmc2/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Internal/user/MyDocs/Int | 00:18 |
| konttori_ | Well, it'll search for missing covers every time. | 00:18 |
| konttori_ | Umm... do you have symlinks in mmc2? | 00:18 |
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| maddler | I have my home on MMC2... :D | 00:18 |
| maddler | ok... ok... | 00:18 |
| maddler | I admit it's not a SO USUAL user case... :) | 00:18 |
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| konttori_ | ahh... I see. All right. How about if I add the system to stop if it finds MyDocs/Internal in its path? | 00:19 |
| maddler | but... you know... is this way bugs come to light! :D | 00:19 |
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| konttori_ | indeed. So, thanks for those! | 00:19 |
| maddler | konttori_: that would only work for me... | 00:19 |
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| maddler | so... kind from you... but... finding a more general solution would be better... I think... | 00:20 |
| konttori_ | I think so too, but symlinks should also be allowed. | 00:20 |
| Tak|work | how about if the path exceeds a given length? | 00:20 |
| maddler | what about only accessing "~/Mydocs/.sounds" as a default? | 00:20 |
| Tak|work | or if the path repeats? | 00:21 |
| maddler | and then giving user the choice to select paths to parse? | 00:21 |
| konttori_ | I access MMC1, MMC2 and MMC3 as default. I think that's much more general case | 00:21 |
| konttori_ | no-one has any files in mydocs/.sound | 00:21 |
| konttori_ | it's so small | 00:21 |
| maddler | true... :) | 00:21 |
| maddler | that's why I moved ~ to mmc2 :D | 00:21 |
| konttori_ | ;) Anyway, to bed now. See you tomorrow! | 00:22 |
| maddler | is there any way to check wether a given path is a real dir or a link? | 00:22 |
| maddler | konttori_: oki... bye dude! | 00:22 |
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| sp3000 | maddler: "yes" | 00:22 |
| Tak|work | maddler: yes | 00:23 |
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| maddler | I meant in MediaCenter ;) | 00:23 |
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| maddler | sbaturzio: buonasera dotto`! :D | 00:26 |
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| sbaturzio | maddler: ciao | 00:26 |
| b0unc3 | sbaturzio: ave italiano :D | 00:26 |
| sbaturzio | b0unc3: Ciao anche a te | 00:26 |
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| maddler | folks... sooooo nice to see so many .it in here :D | 00:31 |
| maddler | I felt alone 1.5yrs ago! :D | 00:32 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler: yeah... sounds goods... :D | 00:34 |
| maddler | yep! :D | 00:34 |
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| Molagi | hmm how can i enable the scrolling with buttons | 00:59 |
| Molagi | so i dont need to drag it down | 00:59 |
| Molagi | i can just press the button to scroll the page down | 00:59 |
| Molagi | or up | 00:59 |
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| maddler | for web browser I remember there was something on maemo.org's wiki | 01:09 |
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| Molagi | ok | 01:11 |
| Molagi | ill try to search | 01:11 |
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| Molagi | is it some kind of application? | 01:23 |
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| maddler | no... | 01:23 |
| maddler | it required to modify a .ini file used by Opera web browser... | 01:24 |
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| maddler | changing default keys' behaviour | 01:24 |
| Molagi | hmm where is the file | 01:24 |
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| maddler | eh... good question... | 01:26 |
| maddler | try digging in /home/user | 01:26 |
| maddler | use your imagination to figure the name... | 01:26 |
| maddler | something.ini maybe... | 01:26 |
| maddler | can't recall... | 01:27 |
| Molagi | do i need root for it | 01:27 |
| maddler | no... you should be able to modify using standard account... | 01:28 |
| maddler | try looking in .oper or .browser | 01:28 |
| maddler | Molagi: ~/.opera/input.ini | 01:29 |
| sp3000 | long button press scroll wftm ootb on n800 at least? | 01:29 |
| Molagi | permission cenied | 01:29 |
| maddler | looks interesting... | 01:29 |
| Molagi | denied | 01:29 |
| maddler | ;) | 01:29 |
| Molagi | :( | 01:29 |
| sp3000 | er wfm, even | 01:29 |
| maddler | .opera is owned by user.users so you have to be able to change it | 01:30 |
| * sp3000 has no idea what wftm would be :D | 01:30 | |
| sp3000 | "what? f*** the manual!" | 01:30 |
| Molagi | oh yeah its already default in n800 | 01:31 |
| Molagi | hehe | 01:31 |
| Molagi | never realized | 01:31 |
| Molagi | you have to press it long.. | 01:31 |
| bhima | My n800 dropped from 3 bars to 0 bars in about 10 seconds yesterday. | 01:31 |
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| maddler | bhima: yup... not so pleasant... even if it looks more precise in latest release... | 01:33 |
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| maddler | didn't checked really btw... | 01:33 |
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| * maddler thanks god for cold beer! | 01:39 | |
| Pupnik | maddler is there a battery power bar problem with the n800? | 01:39 |
| Pupnik | heh | 01:40 |
| maddler | Pupnik: not really a problem... | 01:40 |
| maddler | it just sometimes won't refresh as supposed... :) | 01:40 |
| Pupnik | i had a user claim that frodo sucked his n800 battery in 30 minutes] | 01:40 |
| maddler | but (and it's my very personal feeling) battery bar looks more accurate after last upgrade... | 01:40 |
| maddler | naaaaaaa... | 01:40 |
| maddler | battery life is about 4hrs here... | 01:41 |
| maddler | with wifi enabled and network (ab)use... | 01:41 |
| maddler | if battery only lasted 30 minutes... there is something wrong somewhere... | 01:41 |
| Pupnik | he didn't say it was a full charge | 01:42 |
| Pupnik | just 'sucked my battery in 30 minutes' | 01:42 |
| mrflakes | anyone know how to go about creating a shortcut for the Return key in the maemo-hacker's osso-xterm? | 01:42 |
| Pupnik | so perhaps the remaining power display was inaccurate? | 01:42 |
| maddler | yes... | 01:42 |
| maddler | sometimes battery bar only refresh after a reboot... | 01:42 |
| Molagi | hmm anyone here had some touch screen issues about the dead pressure zones? | 01:43 |
| Molagi | should i send my unit to repair | 01:43 |
| maddler | Pupnik: I was trying to figure out if there is any way to force refresh... | 01:43 |
| maddler | or to get accurate measurement anyhow... | 01:43 |
| maddler | Molagi: I have a couple (small) dead zones... | 01:43 |
| Pupnik | maddler, too bad there's no /proc interface | 01:43 |
| maddler | nothing too bad,,, till now... | 01:44 |
| maddler | yup... | 01:44 |
| Molagi | maddler are they on the right side? | 01:44 |
| maddler | may gconftoo could help... | 01:44 |
| Pupnik | Molagi: this is a manufacturing issue, return the unit if it is unsatisfactory for you | 01:44 |
| maddler | no... left side... under "applications menu" | 01:44 |
| maddler | righ side is just a bit unresponsive... | 01:44 |
| maddler | no dead zones anyway... | 01:44 |
| Molagi | nah i love my unit, i just want the dead zone repaired, but i bet it will come back after couple months of usage | 01:45 |
| mrflakes | My dead zone has been around since Feb, and it hasn't gotten any better | 01:45 |
| Pupnik | Molagi: you did remove the shipping screen protector? | 01:45 |
| Molagi | no | 01:45 |
| Pupnik | i don't know for sure but someone told me the n800 comes with a screen protector meant for shipping | 01:46 |
| Pupnik | and that one should use a different one for actual use? | 01:47 |
| Pupnik | true/false? | 01:47 |
| Molagi | well thats the only protector i have so im using it | 01:47 |
| Molagi | its pretty weak but better than nothing | 01:47 |
| Pupnik | ok if it only came with one, i am concluding this information was false | 01:48 |
| Molagi | yeah | 01:48 |
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| maddler | Pupnik: the "default" screen protector is very weak... and NOT scratch resistant... | 01:49 |
| maddler | mine was gone after a week... | 01:49 |
| lle2 | you mean the thing that it ships with? | 01:50 |
| maddler | and for sure it's not involved with dead zones... :D | 01:50 |
| maddler | lle2: right... | 01:50 |
| lle2 | I don't think that's intended to be in place when the device is used.. | 01:50 |
| maddler | if you care you could buy a real screen protector and replace it... | 01:50 |
| maddler | lle2: true... | 01:50 |
| lle2 | it's just there to protect the screen during manufacturing | 01:50 |
| maddler | I just left it in place until it wasn't too scratched... | 01:50 |
| Pupnik | i have no protector on the 770 and it is not scratched | 01:51 |
| lle2 | I consider the scratches on my portable devices as a good thing | 01:52 |
| lle2 | gives them a nice worn-in look | 01:53 |
| * Pupnik is having a lot of fun with 1985-1989 games on DosBOX | 01:53 | |
| glass | dosbox on maemo? | 01:53 |
| Pupnik | yeah running pretty good - about 8mhz 8086 AT-class | 01:54 |
| Pupnik | on a 770 | 01:54 |
| glass | not bad | 01:54 |
| glass | hmm.. is there any port of elite to maemo yet | 01:54 |
| Pupnik | if you want to test dosbox msg me | 01:55 |
| Pupnik | 0.70 still has display problems 0.65 seems stable | 01:56 |
| Pupnik | needs more testing though | 01:56 |
| Molagi | hmm does that dosbox work on n800? | 01:57 |
| glass | sorry no time | 01:58 |
| Pupnik | as far as i know yes | 01:58 |
| Molagi | cool i could test it | 01:58 |
| Pupnik | let me bundle a couple of performance testing apps | 01:58 |
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| Molagi | ok | 02:03 |
| Pupnik | 5 min | 02:04 |
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| Molagi | ok | 02:10 |
| maddler | back... sorry... | 02:11 |
| Pupnik | Molagi: you have a BT keyboard or synergy? | 02:11 |
| Molagi | neither one | 02:11 |
| Molagi | : | 02:11 |
| Molagi | :) | 02:11 |
| maddler | I was upgrading my N80... but forgot to backup... | 02:11 |
| Molagi | are they mandatory? | 02:12 |
| Pupnik | yes | 02:12 |
| Molagi | damn | 02:12 |
| Molagi | gotta get one then :P | 02:12 |
| Pupnik | i usually use synergy when i use the 770 at home | 02:13 |
| * Pupnik <3's synergy | 02:13 | |
| Molagi | hmm where can i get synergy | 02:14 |
| Pupnik | need to see if synergy runs on whatever OS your host PC uses | 02:14 |
| Molagi | win2000 pro | 02:14 |
| Molagi | should work | 02:17 |
| Molagi | according to synergys page | 02:17 |
| Pupnik | i don't recall where to get it for maemo offhand | 02:18 |
| Molagi | :( | 02:18 |
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| Pupnik | hmm norton's SI ranks the n770 at 1.2 vs PC XT 1.0 | 02:21 |
| Pupnik | not finding it yet Molagi ? | 02:21 |
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| Molagi | no | 02:23 |
| Molagi | :/ | 02:23 |
| Pupnik | checkit puts the 770 at 0.93 the speed of the ibm PC 4.77mhz | 02:23 |
| Pupnik | and a bit faster in the whetstones | 02:23 |
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| Molagi | damn how can it be so hard to find :p | 02:26 |
| Pupnik | apt-cache policy synergy-maemo | 02:26 |
| Pupnik | synergy-maemo: | 02:26 |
| Pupnik | Installed: 1.3.1-1 | 02:26 |
| Pupnik | i forgot how to see which repository has synergy-maemo | 02:27 |
| Pupnik | Molagi: is it visible in the application installer? | 02:27 |
| Molagi | ill check | 02:27 |
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| Molagi | no | 02:30 |
| Molagi | :/ | 02:30 |
| Pupnik | i can't find the repo yet but dpkg-query -s synergy-maemo shows keesj as maintainer | 02:31 |
| Pupnik | aha! Molagi - http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/ | 02:31 |
| Molagi | oh cool | 02:32 |
| Pupnik | that app could use some more visibility! garage page, blogs etc | 02:32 |
| Molagi | which one of those i download | 02:32 |
| Pupnik | the deb http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/synergy/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb | 02:33 |
| Pupnik | and rtfm, you will have to change your cursor icon | 02:33 |
| Molagi | ok | 02:33 |
| Molagi | incompatible application package | 02:37 |
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| Pupnik | hmm, maybe only for it2006? | 02:38 |
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| Pupnik | keesj: you around? | 02:38 |
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| Molagi | yeah might be ;/ | 02:38 |
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| Molagi | well ill go to bed | 02:44 |
| Pupnik | sorry i couldn't help | 02:44 |
| Molagi | no problem | 02:44 |
| Molagi | gotta just wait till keesj comes around | 02:44 |
| Molagi | atleast we now know whos behind that synergy-maemo thingy | 02:45 |
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| Pupnik | thttpd would be a nice webserver for the tablets | 02:48 |
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| JohnMeacham | just got my n800, it is much lighter than the 770, which is nice. but I am worried, the face buttons appear to not be (physically) seated properly, they wiggle with about a milimeter or two of clearance inside their seating. is this normal? is there some liner or beveling that is supposed to fill that crack? | 02:59 |
| acydlord | nope, they just decided to use cheaper buttons on us | 02:59 |
| JohnMeacham | one of the things I really liked about the 770 was that it felt _solid_. so far, the n800 doesn't have that feel... the back battery case wiggles a little too. | 03:00 |
| timeless | i can't measure a milimeter | 03:00 |
| acydlord | yeah | 03:00 |
| acydlord | the 770 was very solid for a nokia product | 03:00 |
| JohnMeacham | hmm.. anyone have mods to make things nicer? I can put some rubber lining around the battery cover (though, that clasp looks britttle). but I am not sure what to do about the buttons, since they go right up to the edge... | 03:01 |
| acydlord | the n800 seems more like a standard nokia product | 03:01 |
| acydlord | where if you drop it you'll be spending the next 15 min putting it back together | 03:01 |
| timeless | well it has more pieces | 03:01 |
| acydlord | the buttons are fine unless you drop it | 03:02 |
| timeless | but if you manage to break the stand, don't plan to put it back together | 03:02 |
| acydlord | then you might have to pull the faceplate off and recenter them | 03:02 |
| timeless | similarly for the front mmc gate | 03:02 |
| JohnMeacham | hmm... | 03:02 |
| acydlord | i rarely ever touch my stand after i heard all the stories of other people'es breaking | 03:02 |
| JohnMeacham | hmm.. this mini-sd card doesn't seem to want to come out of its adaptor... | 03:03 |
| acydlord | i'm still using the 770 stand lol | 03:03 |
| timeless | i've actually started to drop my n800 | 03:03 |
| timeless | acydlord: wow | 03:03 |
| timeless | my 770 stand is in the original box | 03:03 |
| timeless | but i lost the 770 cover probably w/in the first month | 03:03 |
| acydlord | i sold my 770, forgot to give the guy the extra stylus and the stand | 03:03 |
| timeless | anyway, so far all i've managed to do in dropping my n800 is scratch a bit of paint off | 03:04 |
| acydlord | same here | 03:04 |
| acydlord | it also has a tiny nick on the top bezel | 03:04 |
| acydlord | but that was cause i let a girl see it and she dropped it on concrete | 03:04 |
| JohnMeacham | is this whole metal faceplace thing supposed to come up on the mini-sd card adaptor? | 03:04 |
| JohnMeacham | I feed an irrational need to pull out the small card and look at it before putting it in the 800... | 03:05 |
| JohnMeacham | ah. got it. | 03:05 |
| * timeless doesn't understand | 03:05 | |
| acydlord | the mini sd comes out of it's adaptor | 03:06 |
| timeless | each adapter is differently annoying | 03:06 |
| acydlord | there is a little slot cut out on the back, push up there with your finger | 03:07 |
| acydlord | and then pull the card back | 03:07 |
| acydlord | i just use that one as my backup disk cause i got 2 1gb cards for $12 | 03:08 |
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| unique311 | whats up friends and romans.... | 03:12 |
| timeless | no countrymen? lend me your warez? | 03:12 |
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| unique311 | sorry bout that.. | 03:13 |
| timeless | (it was either that or [bluez] pairz) | 03:13 |
| unique311 | warez...please.. | 03:13 |
| unique311 | im guessing my life is sad...on my way from work..all i was thinking about was maemo...irc..maemo...mess with my maemo, imean n800...sad life.. | 03:14 |
| Pupnik | :) hi unique311 | 03:15 |
| acydlord | lol | 03:16 |
| Pupnik | i fixed the link error. but there are a lot of issues with the assembler code, and the non-assembler won't compile either (though it compiles fine under straight linux) | 03:16 |
| unique311 | whats up Pupnik.. | 03:16 |
| acydlord | thats ok unique311 i've been sitting here not wrking for almost a year now squandering my savings and just working on web app projects and modding things | 03:17 |
| unique311 | cool...might be doing the same soon.... | 03:17 |
| acydlord | i need to get another job soon, or some new contracts | 03:17 |
| unique311 | tired of working...time for a break.. | 03:17 |
| unique311 | a long break.. | 03:17 |
| acydlord | i didn't get to go to school this time around cause i made too much last year to get any grants, and i spent too much money to pay out of pocket | 03:18 |
| unique311 | lol | 03:18 |
| unique311 | so you working the system.. | 03:18 |
| unique311 | spend some time out of it...get grants when you come back in it.. | 03:18 |
| unique311 | good stuff.. | 03:18 |
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| acydlord | thats what i'm doing right now | 03:19 |
| unique311 | Pupnik the linux compile won't run under maemo? | 03:19 |
| mrflakes | just for the record if anyone was looking to add a shortcut in their osso-xterm sidebar for "Enter" the keyname is "KP_enter" not Return or Linefeed | 03:19 |
| acydlord | i have'nt made any money since last july lol | 03:19 |
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| acydlord | i got a nice tax return of just under a grand though, that bought me my n800 | 03:21 |
| mrflakes | err typo... the correct shortcut for the above is "KP_Enter" | 03:21 |
| timeless | oh right | 03:22 |
| * timeless is looking for an american expatriot in europe | 03:22 | |
| timeless | anyone here fit that description? | 03:22 |
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| unique311 | not an expatriot...but can act like im one for some money... | 03:23 |
| unique311 | fakejacks... | 03:23 |
| unique311 | how much are you offering? | 03:23 |
| timeless | i don't really have money, i need to understand how taxes work | 03:23 |
| acydlord | i'm thinking about migrating to canada lol | 03:23 |
| unique311 | you want me to give up the tax secrets of america for no money at all.. | 03:24 |
| Pupnik | timeless: why? | 03:24 |
| Pupnik | timeless: if you work overseas you still have to pay US taxes, but up to a certain amount earned overseas is tax-free | 03:25 |
| timeless | sure | 03:25 |
| timeless | but how do i report income for a european company? | 03:25 |
| timeless | i don't think i have a w2 | 03:25 |
| unique311 | timeless is looking for an american expatriot in europe | 03:25 |
| unique311 | i don't get why you need an expatriot... | 03:26 |
| Pupnik | expatriot doesn't = ex-patriot, just someone living overseas | 03:26 |
| timeless | unique311: well, an american just traveling doesn't count | 03:26 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:26 |
| unique311 | snes9x issues with controls pupnik... | 03:28 |
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| acydlord | the only us citizens i know living over seas are all on us military bases | 03:28 |
| unique311 | only able to move left and right.... | 03:28 |
| acydlord | so that wouldnt really help | 03:28 |
| unique311 | nothing else works.. | 03:28 |
| unique311 | online filing... | 03:29 |
| unique311 | that would take care of those details for you.. | 03:29 |
| timeless | yeah, those don't count at all | 03:29 |
| unique311 | i do my taxes online.. | 03:29 |
| acydlord | call a tax attourney | 03:29 |
| timeless | i don't think those even count as expatriot | 03:29 |
| acydlord | i pay someone to do my taxes | 03:30 |
| acydlord | http://www.wusa9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=57442 <- sad news | 03:32 |
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| timeless | that's wash dc, no? | 03:32 |
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| unique311 | if you have a good understanding of reading forms or documents, you should not have any problems... | 03:32 |
| timeless | heh | 03:32 |
| JohnMeacham | creating 112MB of virtual memory. chug chug chug. | 03:33 |
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| timeless | unique: i just can't figure out what form to fill in for foreign income | 03:33 |
| timeless | the only url i found w/ irs seemed to give me the answer that no on eagrees w/ | 03:33 |
| acydlord | pretty close to dc | 03:33 |
| unique311 | timeless....do what i do when i'm in need of some info....GOOGLE......google is probably my best friend. | 03:34 |
| acydlord | timless, keep your money and deny working =x | 03:34 |
| timeless | i'd like to be able to reenter the country w/o being arrested | 03:34 |
| JohnMeacham | so. are there any hardware defects I should check right away while I can still return it? | 03:34 |
| JohnMeacham | check for. | 03:34 |
| unique311 | n800 is cool.. | 03:35 |
| timeless | well, does your camera work? | 03:35 |
| unique311 | just don't drop it.. | 03:35 |
| * timeless has never heard of a doa camera | 03:35 | |
| JohnMeacham | no idea. | 03:35 |
| unique311 | dropped mines twice already.. | 03:35 |
| unique311 | still alive but was lucky | 03:35 |
| acydlord | my n800 was luckier than my laptop | 03:35 |
| JohnMeacham | seems to. cool. though. it is sort of angled oddly. I think people will be looking at the side of my head. | 03:36 |
| unique311 | ?? | 03:36 |
| JohnMeacham | if I try to use it for video conferenceing.. | 03:37 |
| unique311 | ok | 03:37 |
| acydlord | if you set it on a desk video confrencing works fine | 03:37 |
| acydlord | but make sure you're in a well lit area | 03:37 |
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| JohnMeacham | no dvorak layout. suck. hmm.. | 03:43 |
| acydlord | you can program your own :p | 03:46 |
| JohnMeacham | hmm.. where can I drop keymap files... are they just standard XKB ones? | 03:47 |
| JohnMeacham | I am talking about for my external bluetooth keyboard. | 03:47 |
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| bhima | I don't like the angling of the camera. It looks wrong whe I try to talk to people. | 03:56 |
| acydlord | i don't know why they didnt put the camera at the top of the face ala macboobks | 03:56 |
| bhima | Well, you couldn't angle it to face away. But, given that the n800 is a handheld device, you could point the entire device if you wanted to point it at something interesting. | 03:57 |
| acydlord | yeah | 03:58 |
| acydlord | or they could do it like the slimline viao | 03:58 |
| acydlord | with the barrel at the top and allow it to rotate | 03:58 |
| bhima | Yeah. | 03:58 |
| bhima | IMHO the n800 is a step back in most ways mechanically. Buttons are smaller, harder to press, look cheaper. | 03:59 |
| acydlord | yeah | 03:59 |
| acydlord | i want to go to a machine shop and have them fabricate an aluminum case for me | 03:59 |
| acydlord | maybe one with a sliding battery cover | 03:59 |
| bhima | There may be a rhinoskin case coming out. | 04:00 |
| acydlord | i was referring to the shell it's in right now | 04:00 |
| acydlord | the 770 was a lot more solid, i feel kind of ripped off with the feel of the n800 compared to the 770 | 04:01 |
| bhima | I met a rhinoskin marketing person at CTIA, and she was looking at the n800 at Nokia's stand. I showed her my 770 and how its case works. No idea how close to that it'll end up being; the shape of the n800 makes that hard to do. | 04:02 |
| bhima | The 770 was a handheld-optimized design. the n800 is a desktop optimized design. | 04:02 |
| acydlord | yeah | 04:02 |
| bhima | The n800 can happily sit on your desk and be tapped on every now and then. | 04:03 |
| acydlord | hopefully the 9 series will be a happy medium | 04:03 |
| bhima | I'm not optimistic; Nokia's industrial designers really like chrome. A lot. The 770 didn't look like a traditional Nokia product. The n800 has been thoroughly nokiafied, from an industrial design standpoint. | 04:04 |
| acydlord | the n800 looks more like the N series | 04:06 |
| Pupnik | i just want the buttons to be good and the cpu/gfx to be fast | 04:09 |
| Pupnik | oh and the build quality should be good, none of this dead areas crap | 04:09 |
| acydlord | and we shouldnt have to life in fear of dropping it once | 04:10 |
| bhima | Wow. I just went to forum.nokia.com and read about Open C. Intresting. POSIX APIs for S60 phones. | 04:12 |
| bhima | An actual serious attempt at them. | 04:12 |
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| unique311 | http://www.skencil.org/download.html | 04:33 |
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| unique311 | anybody have time to port this great app for me... | 04:33 |
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| unique311 | i'm trying right now..but i'm a big noob to porting...btw, thanks Pupnik for a crash course yesterday....i at least know how to edit src files now.. | 04:34 |
| unique311 | http://www.skencil.org/download.html | 04:34 |
| Pupnik | unique311: will it work with a stylus? | 04:34 |
| unique311 | pretty sure it will... | 04:35 |
| unique311 | tablet compatible.. | 04:35 |
| unique311 | wel i'm not sure it will | 04:35 |
| unique311 | heh | 04:35 |
| unique311 | basically an improve sketch... | 04:35 |
| unique311 | its actually sketch | 04:35 |
| unique311 | a different name | 04:35 |
| Pupnik | needs python junk... not gonna look at it | 04:36 |
| unique311 | python is included with maemo isn't it.. | 04:36 |
| Pupnik | try the setup.py script | 04:36 |
| unique311 | i did...ran into problem already | 04:37 |
| unique311 | lol | 04:37 |
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| unique311 | command '/scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc' failed with exit status 1 | 05:05 |
| unique311 | i get this error when compiling.. | 05:05 |
| unique311 | looked into that directory and it stops at host-gcc | 05:05 |
| unique311 | how do i change it to the valid directory.. | 05:05 |
| unique311 | i think i screwed somehting up last night.. | 05:06 |
| unique311 | or a while ago...heh | 05:06 |
| JohnMeacham | wtf? a radio? | 05:08 |
| JohnMeacham | what a random feature. but I actually would use that... | 05:08 |
| Pupnik | can it record from radio? | 05:09 |
| JohnMeacham | no idea. | 05:12 |
| JohnMeacham | I can't get any stations here at work. | 05:12 |
| unique311 | nope | 05:12 |
| JohnMeacham | is there a meta-package somewhere I can grab that will install all the third party repository locations so I don't have to type them all in by hand? | 05:12 |
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| JohnMeacham | ohh. pdfs can be read quickly. that is the #1 reason I upgraded. awesome. an FPU makes all the difference. | 05:14 |
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| Bighugo | anybody know minimo? | 05:43 |
| dolske_ | Define "know". | 05:44 |
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| Bighugo | dolske, i mean using,developing, and whatever | 05:45 |
| Bighugo | i think you are using it, right? | 05:46 |
| dolske | Ah. I've used it, but only done general Mozilla development. | 05:46 |
| gleitz | iya | 05:47 |
| gleitz | hiya* | 05:47 |
| gleitz | does anyone use scratchbox on a VM in Windows? | 05:47 |
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| Bighugo | dolske, do you know whether it can use extension for firefox? | 06:00 |
| ajturner | google SoC posted | 06:01 |
| ajturner | http://code.google.com/soc/maemo/about.html | 06:02 |
| Bighugo | i can't access it | 06:03 |
| ajturner | yeah, it's being slow | 06:03 |
| ajturner | Accepted: Ruby Bindings, GeoClue location software, Smoove Desktop Migration Suite, Japanese/Chinese Handwriting recognition | 06:03 |
| derf | Whoa, sweet. | 06:04 |
| derf | In reference to that last one. | 06:04 |
| ajturner | they're all very cool projects | 06:04 |
| Pupnik | derf is it ok if i host your power settings daemon on my homepage? | 06:04 |
| dolske | Bighugo: hmm, I don't think so. | 06:04 |
| derf | Pupnik: Sure, go for it. | 06:05 |
| Pupnik | do you want any attribution in the description or would you rather be anon? :) | 06:05 |
| JohnMeacham | hmm.. the stowaway keyboard is a bit bulky... anyone have any other recommendations? anyone use one of those laser ones? | 06:06 |
| derf | There's probably already enough information in Google to figure out who I am if you really want to. | 06:06 |
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| Pupnik | ok no mention of author will be added to the page | 06:06 |
| Smilone | i can't find the inform about minimo | 06:07 |
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| JohnMeacham | I am not very good at being incognito on IRC... | 06:07 |
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| derf | Pupnik: What's the URL for your page? | 06:08 |
| Pupnik | i'm just starting to put some ports up that i'm packaging tonight | 06:09 |
| Pupnik | er, this morning :/ | 06:09 |
| Markov_ | is there anything wrong with downloads.maemo? | 06:11 |
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| derf | Besides the fact that I can't log in to it? | 06:12 |
| Tak | I can't hit it | 06:12 |
| Markov_ | neither can i | 06:14 |
| Markov_ | what's up with that page? it's always on and off | 06:14 |
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| myren_ | is there a /dev/input/ device interface for a bluetooth keyboard? | 06:15 |
| myren_ | how does that work, what kernel module is that? | 06:15 |
| Markov_ | beats me | 06:16 |
| Markov_ | does anyone know of a good email client for n800 | 06:17 |
| Markov_ | i'm not a huge fan of the standard one | 06:17 |
| ajturner | Markov_ - gmail? :) | 06:18 |
| Markov_ | ajturner: heh. yeah. gmail is pretty good for my gmail account : | 06:18 |
| Markov_ | :) | 06:18 |
| ajturner | well, or forward any email to it | 06:19 |
| myren_ | uh probably hidd | 06:19 |
| myren_ | and i have _no idea_ how hidd works | 06:20 |
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| Markov_ | has any one tried claws mail? | 06:27 |
| * timeless just uses gmail | 06:28 | |
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| Markov_ | whenever I try to install clawsmail it says i need 'libxau0' | 06:37 |
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| Markov_ | what repository do i need to add to get that? | 06:39 |
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| Markov_ | is there some sort of debian repository? | 06:42 |
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| ocnarfid | Markov_: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37245&highlight=libxau0#post37245 | 06:47 |
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| Pupnik | hi Markov_ where did you get clawsmail from? | 07:05 |
| Markov_ | Pupnik: i got it from here, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=223&release_id=541 | 07:06 |
| Markov_ | thanks ocnarfid! that worked like a charm | 07:06 |
| ocnarfid | great. | 07:06 |
| Markov_ | it seemed a little round-a-bout though | 07:06 |
| ocnarfid | yea, you'll find that about a lot of things. Its not very refined at times. | 07:06 |
| Markov_ | is it hard to make one of those installer packages? | 07:06 |
| Pupnik | certain changes to computers are made in 'administrator' mode | 07:08 |
| Pupnik | in maemo-speek it's 'red pill' :) | 07:09 |
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| Pupnik | for e.g. in windows, you can install some programs as normal user, but for others you have to have administrator rights | 07:09 |
| Pupnik | same goes for some maemo software | 07:09 |
| Markov_ | i see | 07:12 |
| Markov_ | but, it seems like if i can install a shell, ssh client/server, etc. as a normal user, i should be able to install an email client... | 07:13 |
| Pupnik | yeah i'd agree with that | 07:13 |
| Markov_ | is there something enormously wrong with libxau0? | 07:14 |
| Markov_ | i hope not... :/ | 07:14 |
| Pupnik | it's the "X11 authorisation library" | 07:15 |
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| Markov_ | sounds pretty innocuous :) | 07:17 |
| Markov_ | brb | 07:17 |
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| Markov[N800] | yay | 07:22 |
| gpolo | hopefully I will buy a nokia internet table ;) | 07:23 |
| gpolo | got accepted at SoC | 07:23 |
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| Markov[N800] | congrats | 07:26 |
| Markov[N800] | which project? | 07:26 |
| gpolo | for umit, a network inventory | 07:27 |
| gpolo | initially it was a network graphical mapper | 07:27 |
| gpolo | then changed to network inventory last moment (mentor did) | 07:27 |
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| Markov[N800] | gpolo, whatś the difference? | 07:31 |
| gpolo | uhm, a lot of differences ;p | 07:32 |
| Markov[N800] | what is network inventory?? | 07:32 |
| gpolo | a network inventory (including a scan scheduler in the project too) reports every change on your network | 07:32 |
| gpolo | based on some intervals specified | 07:33 |
| Markov[N800] | like whoś´connected etc? | 07:33 |
| gpolo | that is a mapper | 07:33 |
| gpolo | a network inventory may tell things like: host a (10.0.0.1) had the port 80 opened since last report, now it is closed | 07:34 |
| gpolo | os changed | 07:34 |
| gpolo | vuln level now is something | 07:34 |
| Markov[N800] | okay then what kind of changes will be reported? | 07:34 |
| gpolo | the changes are based on how you request the network scan to act | 07:34 |
| gpolo | it has to keep some levels of change, I didnt decide yet how many | 07:35 |
| Markov[N800] | neat | 07:35 |
| gpolo | or just keep all them, but this doesnt sound good | 07:35 |
| gpolo | it is like a cvs ;p | 07:35 |
| Markov[N800] | is the info provided useful in itself or does it need more processing? | 07:35 |
| Markov[N800] | cvs? | 07:36 |
| gpolo | not really, but somewhat related | 07:36 |
| Markov[N800] | versioning? | 07:36 |
| gpolo | yes | 07:36 |
| gpolo | it is not a cvs | 07:36 |
| gpolo | but | 07:36 |
| gpolo | it has something that remembers cvs | 07:36 |
| Markov[N800] | will i have to commit my change when i connect to the network? heheh :) | 07:36 |
| gpolo | ;p | 07:37 |
| gpolo | no no | 07:37 |
| gpolo | what remembers it is this thing of keeping a log of changes | 07:37 |
| gpolo | in a nice way | 07:37 |
| gpolo | tell how bad/good were the changes | 07:37 |
| gpolo | what did it affect | 07:37 |
| gpolo | Markov[N800], the info is useful, but needs some processing of course (to show it in a easier way) | 07:38 |
| Markov[N800] | gpolo, i think it would be cool to have a map of some sort | 07:38 |
| Markov[N800] | but, maybe not practical | 07:39 |
| gpolo | there will be a map too | 07:39 |
| Markov[N800] | cool | 07:39 |
| gpolo | maybe the other guy may do something so it can receives input from this inventory | 07:39 |
| gpolo | I plan on doing some graphical reports too, but it is not really a cool and nice map | 07:40 |
| Markov[N800] | yeah. it could get really hairy really fast | 07:40 |
| gpolo | I still have to write somethings | 07:41 |
| gpolo | this was a surprise for me | 07:41 |
| gpolo | The mentor came to me yesterday and told me he wanted me to do this network inventory | 07:41 |
| gpolo | but my proposal was for a mapper, you know | 07:41 |
| gpolo | very different | 07:41 |
| Markov[N800] | maybe if theyŕé verry different you can fork the project | 07:46 |
| gpolo | what do you mean ? | 07:46 |
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| Markov_ | i mean make a seprate project of the mapper | 07:47 |
| gpolo | ah | 07:47 |
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| gpolo | but I wont be doing it anymore | 07:47 |
| gpolo | I will be doing just the network inventory | 07:48 |
| gpolo | and someone else will do the mapper | 07:48 |
| Markov_ | ... | 07:48 |
| gpolo | uhm ? | 07:48 |
| Markov_ | what's wrong with that? | 07:48 |
| gpolo | wrong ? what ? | 07:49 |
| Markov_ | what's wrong with making a second project of the mapper? | 07:50 |
| gpolo | It isnt allowed | 07:50 |
| gpolo | I mean | 07:50 |
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| gpolo | I got a slot for doing the network inventory, if I go and do a mapper | 07:51 |
| gpolo | Google wont care about it, since my slot was for doing other thing | 07:51 |
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| Markov_ | who cares if google cars? | 07:51 |
| Markov_ | *cares | 07:51 |
| gpolo | they wont pay then | 07:52 |
| Markov_ | :) | 07:52 |
| gpolo | ;p | 07:52 |
| Markov_ | they'll pay for the inventory thing | 07:52 |
| gpolo | yes | 07:52 |
| Markov_ | so all is well | 07:53 |
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| Markov_ | so you'll have cash to sustain you while you work on the mapper :) | 07:54 |
| * Markov_ shrugs | 07:55 | |
| gpolo | hah ;p | 07:55 |
| gpolo | they dont pay if you dont develop | 07:56 |
| gpolo | if I dont develop the inventory, I dont get the money | 07:56 |
| Markov_ | okay. here's how it will go: step 1) develop inventory 2) get cash 3) develop mapper 4)take a nap | 07:56 |
| gpolo | ah ok | 07:57 |
| gpolo | Now I got your point, sorry | 07:57 |
| gpolo | =) | 07:57 |
| Markov_ | heheh | 07:57 |
| Markov_ | np | 07:57 |
| Markov_ | i can't get CJK support to work now | 07:57 |
| gpolo | Im hoping the guy that got the slot for doing the mapper will do a good mapper, so I wont need to worry about it | 07:58 |
| gpolo | it is a very nice idea he sent | 07:58 |
| Markov_ | it's for the n800 right? | 07:58 |
| gpolo | erm.. | 07:58 |
| Markov_ | i mean all of this network mapping and inventory taking | 07:58 |
| gpolo | it can work in n800, but it will run slow | 07:58 |
| gpolo | umit runs under n800 already | 07:58 |
| Markov_ | umit | 07:58 |
| gpolo | but it isnt really intended for n800 ;p | 07:59 |
| gpolo | I wanna buy a n800 cause it is so cool and all | 07:59 |
| Markov_ | right right | 07:59 |
| Markov_ | heh. sure is | 07:59 |
| gpolo | and I just "emulated" it with scratchbox | 07:59 |
| Markov_ | that's cool.. but, not as cool as the real thing heheh ;p | 08:00 |
| gpolo | there is a project for making pygame run "good" under olpc | 08:00 |
| Markov_ | why don't you get one? | 08:00 |
| gpolo | maybe it can be applied to n800 too | 08:00 |
| gpolo | Markov_, it is so expensive here ;/ | 08:00 |
| Markov_ | where? | 08:00 |
| gpolo | Markov_, brazil | 08:00 |
| gpolo | Markov_, they sell for U$ 800 here. I could go to Paraguay and buy one maybe | 08:00 |
| Markov_ | sheesh! | 08:01 |
| gpolo | maybe till june there will be a n810 ;p | 08:01 |
| Markov_ | they're $350 online.... | 08:01 |
| Markov_ | ~350... | 08:01 |
| gpolo | yeh, I saw for 399 | 08:01 |
| Markov_ | cheaper on amazon | 08:03 |
| Markov_ | there's no Amazon Brazil | 08:03 |
| Markov_ | ?? | 08:03 |
| Markov_ | that's ironic | 08:03 |
| gpolo | well there is ;p | 08:03 |
| gpolo | hah | 08:03 |
| gpolo | maybe I will create an account at Amazon then | 08:04 |
| gpolo | I will need a new credit card, to use with paypal | 08:04 |
| Markov_ | are credit cards hard to get? | 08:05 |
| gpolo | no | 08:05 |
| gpolo | usually they give you | 08:05 |
| gpolo | they phone you all the time, here at least | 08:05 |
| Markov_ | heh. pretty similar here | 08:06 |
| Markov_ | remember to pay your bill | 08:06 |
| gpolo | ;) | 08:06 |
| Markov_ | :) | 08:06 |
| Markov_ | right. those bastards would take a pound of flesh | 08:07 |
| Markov_ | anyway, i'm going to bed | 08:07 |
| gpolo | night | 08:07 |
| Markov_ | good luck with the netventory | 08:07 |
| Markov_ | night | 08:07 |
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| gpolo | thanks | 08:08 |
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| unique311_ | Pupnik quick question | 08:14 |
| Pupnik | ? | 08:17 |
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| unique311_ | u compile snesx gp2x version for maemo.. | 08:19 |
| Pupnik | no | 08:19 |
| unique311_ | which? | 08:20 |
| Pupnik | debian | 08:20 |
| unique311_ | k. | 08:20 |
| unique311_ | just ran make on the zaurus src version... | 08:20 |
| Pupnik | lemme know if it's faster | 08:21 |
| unique311_ | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/3.4.4/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lSDL | 08:21 |
| unique311_ | got that | 08:21 |
| unique311_ | but you told me you got pass that for the picodrive install correct? | 08:21 |
| unique311_ | how did you fix it | 08:22 |
| Pupnik | that's a linker error meaning it can't find the sdl development libraries | 08:22 |
| Pupnik | the picodrive link error was different | 08:22 |
| unique311_ | you got pass it | 08:22 |
| unique311_ | same | 08:22 |
| unique311_ | this one just cant find lSDL | 08:22 |
| Pupnik | i removed the LD= definition in makefile | 08:22 |
| unique311_ | added? | 08:23 |
| unique311_ | the which ld output? | 08:23 |
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| Pupnik | brb | 08:23 |
| Pupnik | the gp2x version used a LD= variable, i had copied it to the linux makefile, and when i removed it, the link errors went away | 08:27 |
| unique311_ | ok | 08:30 |
| Pupnik | do you have libsdl1.2-dev installed in scratchbox? | 08:31 |
| Pupnik | and libsdl1.2? | 08:31 |
| unique311_ | have to install | 08:32 |
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| Pupnik | XSPSetPixelDoubling villed a void we did not know existed, but it's *broken*, aaaaehhh! | 08:48 |
| Pupnik | SDL_LockSurface seems to disable it, | 08:49 |
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| unique311_ | hmmm | 08:51 |
| Pupnik | is snes9x for zaurus optimized for the ARM cpu? | 08:54 |
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| unique311_ | ues | 08:57 |
| unique311_ | i can't get the libsdl installed.. | 08:57 |
| unique311_ | sucks | 08:58 |
| unique311_ | fakeroot dpkg-i not working | 08:58 |
| unique311_ | i'll try again another time when i reinstall scratchbox.. | 08:58 |
| Pupnik | you can use apt-get install libsdlwhatever too | 08:59 |
| unique311_ | tried | 08:59 |
| unique311_ | i think i really scrwed up scratchbox.. | 08:59 |
| unique311_ | apt-get is not working | 08:59 |
| unique311_ | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/libsdl1.2-1.2.8] > apt-get install | 09:00 |
| unique311_ | bash: apt-get: command not found | 09:00 |
| unique311_ | [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/libsdl1.2-1.2.8] > | 09:00 |
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| Pupnik | which apt-get | 09:00 |
| Pupnik | /scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin/apt-get | 09:00 |
| Pupnik | that's gone? | 09:00 |
| unique311_ | yes | 09:00 |
| unique311_ | lol | 09:01 |
| unique311_ | i know why now.... | 09:01 |
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| gpolo | is there some package I can install through scratchbox that will fetch packages that a n800 would have by default ? | 09:01 |
| gpolo | or is there a list of packages a n800 has by default | 09:01 |
| Pupnik | gpolo: does your scratchbox use the same release as your 800? | 09:02 |
| gpolo | or are there any proprietary from nokia ? | 09:02 |
| gpolo | Pupnik, I dont have a n800 ;p | 09:02 |
| Pupnik | they use the same apps | 09:02 |
| gpolo | Pupnik, I run Xephyr here to emulate it | 09:02 |
| gpolo | right now it has xterm =) and that is it | 09:02 |
| Pupnik | repositories, defined in /etc/apt/sources.list | 09:02 |
| gpolo | yes, but do you know one that will get this that I want ? | 09:03 |
| gpolo | n800 comes with opera, no ? | 09:03 |
| gpolo | debian doesnt distribute opera | 09:03 |
| Pupnik | it's not debian, just uses apt | 09:03 |
| timeless | doesn't multiverse or something include opera? | 09:03 |
| timeless | but opera has .debs for x86 if you wnat them | 09:04 |
| gpolo | yes I know | 09:04 |
| gpolo | I just wanted to get some package on scratchbox that would install all the apps that comes with n800 | 09:04 |
| Pupnik | maybe there is a rootfs image you can install into scratchbox that has more apps installed | 09:04 |
| gpolo | but I think there isnt such thing | 09:04 |
| Pupnik | gpolo: otherwise just install them via apt-get | 09:04 |
| timeless | gpolo: i can probably get a you a list of all the packages | 09:05 |
| gpolo | nice =) | 09:05 |
| timeless | or at least a list of all packages for which if you installed the depends, you would have a complete image | 09:05 |
| timeless | minus bootstrap things which aren't .deb managed | 09:05 |
| gpolo | n800 music player is available through apt too ? | 09:05 |
| timeless | is this the n800 original shipping, the n800 second shipping, or n800 service release | 09:05 |
| gpolo | or is it proprietary ? | 09:05 |
| timeless | all the software you actually see in the ui is in .debs | 09:06 |
| gpolo | timeless, none actually | 09:06 |
| gpolo | timeless, I dont have a n800 | 09:06 |
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| timeless | whether the debs only contain binaries or have real sources is a different story | 09:06 |
| gpolo | timeless, I configured scratchbox, and im running Xephyr | 09:06 |
| gpolo | timeless, ah ok =) | 09:06 |
| timeless | gpolo: i'd only be giving you a list of packages | 09:06 |
| timeless | i'm not sure if you can actually find a server that offers the packages :) | 09:06 |
| gpolo | I see | 09:07 |
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| gpolo | timeless, maybe there is a tutorial or something for this | 09:07 |
| timeless | is this scratchbox x86 or arm? | 09:07 |
| gpolo | arm | 09:07 |
| * timeless shrugs | 09:07 | |
| gpolo | but it has x86 too | 09:07 |
| gpolo | if that is a problem | 09:07 |
| timeless | well, at least arm you can sorta swipe all the files from an n800 | 09:07 |
| timeless | x86, not everything even exists | 09:08 |
| timeless | please forgive the English, i'm short a sleep cycle | 09:08 |
| gpolo | ok, I guessed that | 09:08 |
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| gpolo | well, english isnt my native language, so.. | 09:08 |
| gpolo | and I guessed that x86 thing, not your english etc .. | 09:08 |
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| gpolo | timeless, have you developed something with cairo for n800 ? | 09:15 |
| timeless | oddly enough, yes | 09:15 |
| gpolo | cworth told me that since version 1.4.0 it should run nice under n800 | 09:15 |
| * timeless would not go anywhere near that far | 09:16 | |
| unique311_ | cannot find -lqpe | 09:16 |
| gpolo | but a guy from intd (is that the name of the place) told me it awful | 09:16 |
| unique311_ | what lib is this | 09:16 |
| unique311_ | ? | 09:16 |
| timeless | indt | 09:16 |
| gpolo | yes | 09:16 |
| unique311_ | google didn't help | 09:16 |
| gpolo | s/it/it is/ | 09:16 |
| timeless | Qtopia | 09:16 |
| timeless | If you have a Sharp Zaurus, Hp/Compaq iPAQ, you can use OPIE easily. Qpe (Qtopia) Sourceforge Project page The sourceforge project page ... | 09:16 |
| timeless | qpe.sourceforge.net/ - 4k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this | 09:16 |
| timeless | unique311: hint, -l... = link with ... | 09:17 |
| unique311_ | k | 09:17 |
| timeless | and no, n800/nokia don't ship qt | 09:17 |
| unique311_ | so i'm done with trying to port this | 09:17 |
| timeless | or kde or whatever | 09:17 |
| timeless | but people play w/ trying to port those things every few months | 09:18 |
| timeless | i think some of them succeed | 09:18 |
| unique311_ | lol | 09:18 |
| gpolo | timeless, im somewhat lost here.. isnt pygtk available for maemo ? | 09:19 |
| timeless | isn't it on garage? hold | 09:19 |
| gpolo | maybe the repository that comes with scratchbox isnt "good" | 09:20 |
| timeless | sorry, pygtk is part of haf | 09:20 |
| timeless | so it's more corish than garage | 09:20 |
| gpolo | uhm, what is that ? | 09:20 |
| timeless | debian control says: | 09:20 |
| timeless | Source: python-gtk2 | 09:20 |
| timeless | Section: python | 09:20 |
| timeless | Package: python2.5-gtk2 | 09:21 |
| timeless | Architecture: any | 09:21 |
| gpolo | well, yes, it is what it should be | 09:21 |
| gpolo | maybe my repository for scratchbox is just inadequate | 09:21 |
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| zuh | gpolo: The "goodness" of cairo depends what you do with it. Screenful of gtk+ widgets? no broblem. fullscreen animations with alpha blending and gradients rendered real-time? ok, now you're asking too much. :) | 09:21 |
| gpolo | it lists just python2.3, python2.3-dev | 09:21 |
| gpolo | zuh, yeh ;p im not asking all that heh | 09:21 |
| timeless | gpolo: basically my app uses alpha | 09:21 |
| timeless | and the xserver is 16bit | 09:22 |
| timeless | and cairo is stupid | 09:22 |
| gpolo | using _any_ alpha make it sucks ? | 09:22 |
| timeless | so my impression is cairo sucks | 09:22 |
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| gpolo | that is the hole point of using cairo ;p the alpha | 09:22 |
| timeless | i wouldn't say "any" but if you're say doing something remotely interesting or useful, "probably" | 09:22 |
| gpolo | ok | 09:22 |
| timeless | the point of cairo is that "it could eventually be optimized" | 09:22 |
| timeless | "and it's portable, and 'not our problem, someone else promised to maintain it'" | 09:23 |
| zuh | It already has been optimized, and will continue to be | 09:23 |
| timeless | those are paraphrasing from a bill of sale i got for cairo a while ago | 09:23 |
| timeless | zuh: it's been slowly optimized for desktop xservers | 09:23 |
| gpolo | uhm | 09:23 |
| timeless | it is *not* optimized for 16bit xservers | 09:23 |
| timeless | its behavior on the n800 is terrible | 09:23 |
| timeless | if you're volunteering to fix it, let me know, i'll get you details | 09:24 |
| gpolo | is there something good you can use to play with alpha ? | 09:24 |
| gpolo | in n800 | 09:24 |
| timeless | you mean to feel it fall apart? | 09:24 |
| gpolo | hah ;p | 09:24 |
| gpolo | ok | 09:24 |
| timeless | the indt people run minimo | 09:24 |
| gpolo | ah, ok | 09:24 |
| timeless | not sure if their other things like canola care about cairo | 09:24 |
| timeless | they run all sorts of things | 09:25 |
| zuh | canola is going to use evas | 09:25 |
| timeless | some important things (like crazy parking) they mess up | 09:25 |
| timeless | evas? | 09:25 |
| gpolo | crazy parking was a flash game | 09:25 |
| gpolo | no ? | 09:25 |
| timeless | i never looked under the hood | 09:26 |
| timeless | there was a girl who i kinda hooked on it | 09:26 |
| timeless | and when i showed here an n800 that didn't have crazy parking she complained | 09:26 |
| timeless | fairly forcefully | 09:26 |
| timeless | "where are the cars?" | 09:26 |
| gpolo | hahah | 09:26 |
| timeless | i tried finding them and failed miserably | 09:26 |
| timeless | disappointing young girls is not recommended btw | 09:27 |
| timeless | anyway, you'll need some repository in order to get pygtk | 09:27 |
| timeless | not sure which one | 09:27 |
| gpolo | I see | 09:27 |
| gpolo | I need haf repository | 09:28 |
| timeless | i don't really know how to ask | 09:28 |
| gpolo | I seen its svn | 09:28 |
| timeless | yeah, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/pygtk/debian/control | 09:28 |
| timeless | is what i was reading | 09:28 |
| timeless | but i don't have any way to map those sources to apt repositories | 09:28 |
| gpolo | im googling | 09:28 |
| timeless | i can map /some/ sources to /some/ repositories | 09:29 |
| timeless | i should actually see about cross referencing the public repositories | 09:29 |
| unique311_ | think i can substitue the lqpe for another lib..closely related, that can probably compile on maemo | 09:29 |
| timeless | 'no' :) | 09:30 |
| unique311_ | i added gtk..but it wanted the lib.. | 09:30 |
| unique311_ | i installed the deb package. | 09:30 |
| unique311_ | still asked for it.. | 09:30 |
| gpolo | gtk isnt qt | 09:30 |
| gpolo | dont you need qt libs ? | 09:30 |
| unique311_ | i know... | 09:31 |
| unique311_ | yes | 09:31 |
| gpolo | but qt isnt supported by n800, like timeless said | 09:31 |
| gpolo | so.. | 09:31 |
| unique311_ | yes | 09:31 |
| unique311_ | but im new to all this... | 09:31 |
| gpolo | redo it in gtk! | 09:31 |
| gpolo | =) | 09:31 |
| unique311_ | its all a possiblity to me right now.. | 09:31 |
| unique311_ | redo the makefile? | 09:31 |
| timeless | you're biting off something bigger than i'd want to chew | 09:32 |
| timeless | how about a nice game of chess? | 09:32 |
| unique311_ | heh | 09:32 |
| * timeless wonders how many people got the reference | 09:32 | |
| timeless | don't everyone raise their hands at once.. | 09:33 |
| gpolo | yay! | 09:34 |
| gpolo | it is working timeless | 09:34 |
| gpolo | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free | 09:35 |
| timeless | ah yes, extras | 09:35 |
| gpolo | to the sources list, and it is all good | 09:35 |
| * timeless ponders | 09:36 | |
| gpolo | what lib was used in that Carman app ? | 09:36 |
| timeless | does apt-cache search . do something useful? | 09:36 |
| zuh | no | 09:36 |
| timeless | no? | 09:36 |
| gpolo | timeless, it lists everything I believe | 09:36 |
| zuh | It'll search "." in packages and descriptions | 09:36 |
| gpolo | all the packages in the repositories | 09:36 |
| gpolo | basically all packages got a dot | 09:37 |
| gpolo | so.. | 09:37 |
| timeless | seems useful to me | 09:37 |
| timeless | lemme see if i can make it give me everything in extras | 09:37 |
| gpolo | either in its name or some part of its description | 09:37 |
| unique311 | gave the desktop a rest.. | 09:38 |
| gpolo | I wish pressing enter in this xterm under Xephyr would actually "return" | 09:39 |
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| gpolo | Instead I need to press that return button in my fake n800 | 09:39 |
| timeless | there are two enter like keys on a 101key keyboard | 09:40 |
| timeless | iirc they're handled differently | 09:40 |
| gpolo | ohhh | 09:40 |
| gpolo | the kp_return is the one I want | 09:40 |
| mrflakes | isnt it kp_enter? | 09:41 |
| gpolo | probably | 09:41 |
| gpolo | ;p | 09:41 |
| gpolo | I forgot the name | 09:41 |
| Pupnik | that's a similar problem in the xterm when using synergy | 09:42 |
| Pupnik | very annoying | 09:42 |
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| * konttori_ was having fun describing a but (read only the end of the description): https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=739&group_id=234&atid=945 | 09:42 | |
| Pupnik | hah, star-trek or startrek / orbital reference konttori_ ? | 09:43 |
| konttori_ | orbital. ;) | 09:44 |
| Pupnik | right on! | 09:44 |
| * Pupnik has 3 orbital CDs | 09:45 | |
| Pupnik | the 90s were my 60s | 09:45 |
| * konttori_ loves orbital | 09:45 | |
| * konttori_ has to go to work. Will be in irc in a sec. | 09:45 | |
| Pupnik | ok :) | 09:46 |
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| keesj | Hi | 09:55 |
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| JohnMeacham | so, is anyone else's camera on the n800 odd? it is like it is only showing red-tones. almost no blue or green other than noise in the signal. can someone post some shots taken with the camera tool so I can compare to see if mine is messed up? | 09:58 |
| JohnMeacham | It is almost like they forgot to install the IR filter... | 09:58 |
| keesj | JohnMeacham Toughfix has somem videos of a running video call, | 10:00 |
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| keesj | the cam quality is so poor I think they should just produce greyscale | 10:05 |
| keesj | I might render the camera usable when used with artificial light | 10:05 |
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| Pupnik | keesj, is it correct that the problem with synergy and enter in Xterm is an xterm problem? | 10:32 |
| Pupnik | s/enter/the_carriage_return | 10:32 |
| * konttori is back @ work | 10:33 | |
| konttori | One thing I don't get with the cam app is that It doesn't even try to use longer shutter times. | 10:34 |
| Pupnik | re konttori | 10:34 |
| konttori | That should be possible to do to some extend even on the pixel buffer (OTOH I'm sure the cam element should support that as well) | 10:35 |
| keesj | Pupnik: yes, | 10:35 |
| konttori | That should give much better quality on lower light conditions | 10:36 |
| keesj | you need to switch the input method I think | 10:36 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 10:36 |
| Pupnik | konttori: webcams aren't mounted on tripods though | 10:36 |
| keesj | Pupnik: something with hildon-input method? | 10:36 |
| Pupnik | ah keesj, 770 has limited input method flexibility | 10:37 |
| keesj | it's a script that is also used when a keyboard in plugged into the 770 | 10:37 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks, i know if it were an easy fix, you would have patched it | 10:37 |
| Pupnik | ahh | 10:37 |
| keesj | I have also used it when connecting a bt keyboard | 10:37 |
| konttori | Pupnik: Well, as you are making a video call, you'll have n800 on a table. And the shutter time could be e.g. 1/4 th of a second, or 1/8th. | 10:38 |
| keesj | Pupnik: that would be great , let me search.. | 10:38 |
| Pupnik | http://maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html#Maemo-Text-input-methods | 10:39 |
| Pupnik | keesj, i'm thinking about sdl right now so i can't multitask well | 10:40 |
| keesj | :) | 10:40 |
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| keesj | this is the scriupt kbdd uses http://box.mmapps.net/~keesj/kbdd/btkbd | 10:43 |
| _follower_ | does anyone have a pre-compiled version of the NAT modules for the 770? | 10:47 |
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| Pupnik | thank you keesj | 10:49 |
| keesj | I think on the 770 I had to restart the xterm before the changes where performed | 10:50 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! | 10:56 |
| keesj | Bonjourno | 10:57 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | keesj: Ciao | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| * konttori just realized that the last time he flashed N800 thinking of flashing with the *latest* firmware, he flashed with the initial firmware. | 11:13 | |
| konttori | No wonder there didn't seem to be any improvement | 11:13 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:33 |
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| AD-N770 | rainy day in Barcelona | 11:34 |
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| keesj | Smokey day in Amsterdam :p | 11:36 |
| keesj | not really , it is actualy pretty damm good weather | 11:36 |
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| keesj | Pupnik: did you also see my wxglade post http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/07/p49#more49 | 11:38 |
| keesj | this of course looks like a syngery front end | 11:38 |
| Pupnik | looks simple | 11:39 |
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| keesj | it really is, I guess that the python/gazpacho thing also must be simple | 11:41 |
| keesj | and it's fun :p | 11:41 |
| Pupnik | :) does anybody know, is -mtune=arm920t or -mtune=arm940t a good gcc cflag for nokia 770? | 11:42 |
| Jaffa | konttori: if you reflash with the latest, I'd be interested to know if you have any theme problems (https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1187) | 11:42 |
| koen | it isn't | 11:42 |
| koen | the 770 has an arm926 cpu | 11:42 |
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| Pupnik | -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej hrm | 11:43 |
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| konttori | I'll have a look at that after I flash. @ work now, so can't | 11:50 |
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| Pupnik | Esquivel rules | 12:05 |
| tigert | hrm. i need to update plankton - been working on it in trunk and its no longer compatible with official images | 12:15 |
| tigert | need to backport stuff | 12:15 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:20 |
| Pupnik | some mtune/mcpu info here | 12:22 |
| Pupnik | http://sourceware.org/ml/crossgcc/2007-01/msg00014.html | 12:22 |
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| Pupnik | hmm gcc complains about ejs but "arm926ej-s" seems to go through | 12:29 |
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| zuh | I remember seeing that too, and IIRC we came to the conclusion that they were changed in later gcc, and the changes have been backported to the cs toolchain (assuming that's what you are talking about) | 12:38 |
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| Pupnik | ok thanks | 12:39 |
| Pupnik | apparently they realised that the hyphen "-" in the name was a bad thing (tm) | 12:45 |
| maddler | morning... | 12:46 |
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| maddler | just found Gizmo is working on y N80! :D | 12:47 |
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| keesj | is the N80 linux based? | 12:52 |
| keesj | I read about nokia to anounce a posix complient layer above simbian, is that related? | 12:52 |
| glass | probably not related | 12:53 |
| glass | can't imagine the posix-on-symbian libs helping much in that | 12:54 |
| zuh | keesj: Not exactly Nokia, but since they own ~50% of Symbian ltd. it comes pretty close.. :) | 12:57 |
| zuh | (http://www.symbian.com/news/pr/2007/pr20078721.html) | 12:57 |
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| Okko | keesj: Nokia N80 is Symbian based, not Linux based. | 12:58 |
| maddler | keesj: no... Symbian S60 v3 | 12:59 |
| maddler | a good phone btw... :) | 13:00 |
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| keesj | I maintained the http://devicedb.kobjects.org/index.html for a short while , the N80 was fine :p | 13:04 |
| JohnMeacham_ | you know, now that I have a n800, I finally, after 5 devices that take flash memory, have two of them that can accept the same kind. yay. | 13:05 |
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| inz | For those interested: osso-xterm scrollback buffer size is now configurable | 13:17 |
| Pupnik | \o/ yaay! :) | 13:17 |
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| JohnMeacham_ | wasn't it always via .XDefaults? | 13:22 |
| JohnMeacham_ | I am somewhat miffed that maemo bypasses standard X protocols for reasons I can't figure out. it makes running programs remotely rather anoying in both directions... | 13:23 |
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| inz | John, osso-xterm actually has nothing to do with xterm (except for the use case), so no, it wasn't configurable | 13:26 |
| JohnMeacham_ | oh. hrm. what engine does it use? vte? | 13:26 |
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| * robster is looking for someone to test dates who has never installed it before | 14:04 | |
| Pupnik | adding -mtune="arm926ej-s" to build.vars CFLAGS helped speed significantly | 14:04 |
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| koen | Pupnik: yes, since that uses the armv5 instruction set, instead of armv3 or armv4 (whichever gcc defaults to) | 14:07 |
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| Pupnik | it's pretty significant... will test with another app where i have benchmarking | 14:08 |
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| Pupnik | is there an environment variable to which i can add -mtune so i don't have to edit make/conf files? | 14:13 |
| lardman | Are we talking about the CSS toolchain, as I thought that was supposed to default to arm5 output? | 14:13 |
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| Pupnik | sb-conf show --compiler-arch | 14:15 |
| Pupnik | arm | 14:15 |
| zuh | robster: I don't have it in my current image, where do I download? | 14:15 |
| lardman | Pupnik: You could set the it in CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS & FFLAGS in the environment before running configure | 14:15 |
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| b0unc3 | morining... | 14:18 |
| robster | zuh: can you just wait a wee bit... | 14:20 |
| zuh | yes, I can wait since I'm pretending to do work so my waiting time is paid for ;) | 14:21 |
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| * timeless sighs | 14:23 | |
| timeless | apt-cache search . | 14:23 |
| timeless | Segmentation Fault (core dumped) | 14:23 |
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| _follower_ | does anyone have a pre-compiled version of the NAT modules for the 770? (apols for the repeat) | 14:58 |
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| ptman | is there rsync for bora? | 15:07 |
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| Veggen | yes. Can't remember which repository I found it, though. | 15:12 |
| Veggen | (rsync) | 15:12 |
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| ptman | could you please run apt-cache policy rsync ? | 15:14 |
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| Pupnik_ | still wondering what might be a sensible way to get text input into an emulator | 15:45 |
| Pupnik_ | maybe a button on the side to bring up the stylus keyboard | 15:46 |
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| Veggen | what you really need, is proper X-driver support for the virtual keyboard? | 15:48 |
| Veggen | (would it be possible?) | 15:48 |
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| Pupnik | ahh | 16:01 |
| Pupnik | so the virtual keyboard doesn't talk to X like a real one? | 16:02 |
| Pupnik | woot! compile flags got anouther 5% out of dosbox | 16:02 |
| Veggen | Pupnik: mmm, haven't examined it. But I thought not. | 16:02 |
| Pupnik | ok i haven't looked at all - thanks | 16:03 |
| Veggen | (I *might* be wrong, so don't write it off that it does ;-) | 16:03 |
| Pupnik | everybody just use a BT keyboard so i don't have to deal with this | 16:03 |
| Pupnik | :) | 16:04 |
| Pupnik | only emulator that really deserves it is the PalmOS one | 16:05 |
| inz | The virtual keyboard IIRC only sends backspace and enter through X | 16:05 |
| inz | Others go through gtk+ IM stuff | 16:05 |
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| ptman | how do I know if I've booted from mmc (or in my case, SD)? | 16:20 |
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| ptman | and which memory card slot should I put the card with the root filesystem? | 16:20 |
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| Pupnik | mount |grep " / " will show what root is mounted on | 16:21 |
| ptman | it always shows /dev/mtdblock4 | 16:21 |
| ptman | what am I doing wrong? | 16:21 |
| Pupnik | dunno | 16:22 |
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| ptman | hmm... now it worked | 16:30 |
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| fish_ | re | 16:32 |
| fish_ | i guess it is still impossible to use aireplay-ng with the cx3110x? | 16:33 |
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| fish_ | it looks little bit weird. aireplay-ng shows everything ok but it doesnt reall generate traffic | 16:34 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | uhm...dates 0.4 is available for upgrade....but evolution-data-server-* wont install... :-( | 16:34 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | they conflict with evolution-data-server package and I haven't found a way to upgrade it | 16:34 |
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| rburton | m-vo: there? | 16:52 |
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| bipolar | kkito: yo! | 17:04 |
| bipolar | kkito: it's been a while :) | 17:04 |
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| keesj | that does omap stand for? | 17:51 |
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| koen | OMG architecture Processor ;) | 17:52 |
| keesj | :p | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | wikipedia should know... | 17:54 |
| TheNickDe | does anyone know when the navkit started selling in USA? | 17:55 |
| keesj | nope | 17:55 |
| TheNickDe | http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:NAVKIT|phone_code:N800,00.html | 17:55 |
| keesj | but #ol "Open Multimedia Applications Platform" | 17:55 |
| TheNickDe | Nokia USA.. shows it out of stock currently... | 17:55 |
| TheNickDe | however I suspect it hasn't even started selling yet, but has just been added to the store front | 17:55 |
| TheNickDe | so I imagine it will be available very soon | 17:56 |
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| bipolar | does anyone know if the claws mail program has offline support? | 18:17 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | new Dates 0.4 can't be installed on N800: conflict on evolution-data-server. Nobody from Openhand project here? | 18:20 |
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| Tak|work | ooo, there's a new dates? | 18:21 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Tak|work: yes, this version should be able to sync with more than one calendar source, maybe even google cal | 18:21 |
| Tak|work | that's what I'm looking for | 18:22 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | me too | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | my fiancee's been using gpe-cal, but she prefers dates's interface | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | at least, now that december's over | 18:22 |
| Tak|work | you have a changelog link? I can't find anything on o-hand.com | 18:23 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Tak|work: I'm using this repository: deb http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages bora/ | 18:24 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | don't have changelogs | 18:24 |
| Tak|work | yeah - there's not a mention of 0.4 on the site, nor a source release, although I do see it in the repo | 18:25 |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | wait a minute: repository has changed...now Dates is installable!!! | 18:31 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | let me check it... | 18:31 |
| rburton | jesus | 18:31 |
| rburton | we really do need a staging repository | 18:31 |
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| rburton | sbaturzioAtWork: sorry for the broken packages, i discovered AM had a limitation i didn't know about | 18:33 |
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| Tak|work | rburton: do you have a changelog for us? | 18:34 |
| rburton | its in svn | 18:34 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | rburton: np, now upgrade seems ok, let me test the new Dates version... | 18:34 |
| Tak|work | ok | 18:34 |
| rburton | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/dates/trunk/NEWS?rev=425&view=markup | 18:34 |
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| * rburton puts "make staging repository" on his todo list | 18:36 | |
| Tak|work | is the remote calendar support two-way? | 18:36 |
| rburton | no, its webcal | 18:36 |
| * Tak|work nods | 18:36 | |
| rburton | though someone is doing a google calendar backend for SoC | 18:36 |
| Tak|work | nice | 18:36 |
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| Pupnik | Tak have you looked into CFLAG optimisation for fceu? | 18:41 |
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| Tak|work | example? | 18:42 |
| Pupnik | CFLAGS = -g -O3 -march=armv5te -mtune="arm926ej-s" -funroll-all-loops --param max-unrolled-insns=60 -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math | 18:43 |
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| Pupnik | that for 770 | 18:43 |
| Tak|work | I have most of that in the 770 cflags | 18:43 |
| bansteen | hi all | 18:43 |
| Pupnik | -mcpu says "you may use instructions only | 18:44 |
| Pupnik | supported on this cpu", and "-mtune" says "try to get the code as | 18:44 |
| Pupnik | efficient as possible for this architecture, as long as it still runs on | 18:44 |
| Pupnik | other ones" | 18:44 |
| Pupnik | sorry for formatting | 18:44 |
| Tak|work | feel free to play with them and see if different ones give better performance | 18:44 |
| bansteen | i am novice in maemo | 18:44 |
| bansteen | just need some basic help | 18:44 |
| bansteen | I have problem in installing scratchbox | 18:44 |
| Tak|work | how's the work on snes9x going? | 18:44 |
| Pupnik | Tak: did you do -mtune or -mcpu to specify arm926? | 18:44 |
| * Tak|work pulls up configure.in | 18:44 | |
| Pupnik | mucking with dosbox today | 18:45 |
| Tak|work | ok, how's the work on dosbox coming? :-P | 18:45 |
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| bansteen | I ran the run_me_first script but still when i goto add user it says it is not run | 18:46 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Tak|work: yeah! Dates can read google calendar now! | 18:46 |
| Tak|work | CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -O4 -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math $XSP_CFLAGS $OSSO_CFLAGS" | 18:46 |
| Tak|work | sbaturzioAtWork: nice | 18:47 |
| Pupnik | well those flags seem to help 0.65 and 0.7 a bit. 0.65 and 0.7 need different configs, for e.g. 0.7 breaks in vga mode, but runs some things nicely in tandy mode ... a couple of games are more responsive with 0.7, but 0.7 has problems with auto-frame skip and attendant sound issues | 18:47 |
| Pupnik | so i've got a config now for 0.65 that will do most 8086 games fairly well | 18:47 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Tak|work: is in "read only" but is enough. I can always add my changes in a seconda calendar then make the sync thru Evolution | 18:47 |
| bansteen | hi all | 18:47 |
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| bansteen | anyone who knows abt scratchbox | 18:48 |
| bansteen | pls gimme some minutes | 18:48 |
| bansteen | I have problem installing scratchbox | 18:48 |
| Tak|work | bansteen: are you using the install scripts, or doing it manually? | 18:48 |
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| bansteen | both ways | 18:49 |
| bansteen | i even installed ubuntu | 18:49 |
| bansteen | and installed it with deb package | 18:50 |
| bansteen | it says the installation is successfull | 18:50 |
| Tak|work | in my limited experience, the scripts are the easiest and most reliable way to get it set up | 18:50 |
| _gpolo | same | 18:51 |
| _gpolo | I tried manually and it failed | 18:51 |
| _gpolo | then I did automatic and now it is going nice | 18:51 |
| bansteen | are u in ubuntu | 18:51 |
| Tak|work | I'm using debian/unstable | 18:51 |
| _gpolo | yes | 18:51 |
| _gpolo | but that changes nothing | 18:51 |
| bansteen | i ran the script | 18:52 |
| bansteen | installation is also successfull | 18:52 |
| bansteen | but | 18:52 |
| bansteen | when i add user then it says few files are not found | 18:52 |
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| bansteen | it cannot find soem files in sbin and sth like that | 18:53 |
| bansteen | _gpolo any help dude | 18:56 |
| bansteen | ? | 18:56 |
| Tak|work | bansteen: do you have specific error messages, maybe paste them at rafb.net/paste ? | 18:56 |
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| bansteen | can u pls tell me the steps to install scratchbox | 18:57 |
| bansteen | or how to add user | 18:58 |
| bansteen | which dist to use | 18:58 |
| Tak|work | it *shouldn't* require a particular distribution | 18:58 |
| bansteen | Shud i be root to add user | 18:59 |
| bansteen | sbox_adduser | 18:59 |
| Tak|work | I exactly followed http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt | 19:00 |
| Tak|work | other than that, I don't really have any useful input | 19:00 |
| bansteen | did u install scratchbox from that file | 19:01 |
| Pupnik | bansteen: some kernels do not work with scratchbox | 19:01 |
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| bansteen | does ubuntu | 19:02 |
| bansteen | ? | 19:02 |
| bansteen | i used ubuntu 6.10 | 19:02 |
| Pupnik | not every ubuntu does | 19:02 |
| Pupnik | i think that's 'edgy' right? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:02 |
| * mgedmin uses scratchbox 1.0 on edgy without problems | 19:03 | |
| bansteen | it says problem in session | 19:03 |
| bansteen | something like that | 19:03 |
| bansteen | so u guys just ran he script and added user | 19:03 |
| bansteen | and working perfectly? | 19:03 |
| Pupnik | i had to compile a new kernel | 19:03 |
| * Tak|work adds an mtune line for fceu to see if it makes a difference | 19:03 | |
| Tak|work | in my case, yes | 19:04 |
| Pupnik | "A quick note to everyone out there who has been sticking with old kernels on Feisty as 2.6.20-7 broke Scratchbox: the kernel that was released yesterday, 2.6.20-10, works again! | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | essentially, I added the apt source, installed a bunch of packages, ran sbox_adduser, logged in to update my groups, then ran maemo-sdk-install script explicitly with bash | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | two tricky points: logging out/in (or alternatively using newgrp) after sbox_adduser | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | and the second is running maemo-sdk-install under bash and not /bin/sh (which is dash) | 19:05 |
| Pupnik | bansteen uname -a will show your current kernel version | 19:06 |
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| bansteen | kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 | 19:08 |
| bansteen | i am using fc-6 now | 19:09 |
| bipolar | bansteen: you poor fellow.... :P | 19:09 |
| Tak|work | LOL - I just refrained from making bipolar's comment | 19:09 |
| Pupnik | the kernel needs VDSO compat enabled in order to run Scratchbox. | 19:10 |
| bansteen | i am a novice | 19:12 |
| bansteen | didn't understand what u said | 19:12 |
| Pupnik | most kernels seem to have it though | 19:12 |
| bansteen | can i run scratchbox fc-6 or in ubuntu 6.10 | 19:13 |
| dragorn | Someone should make a vmware image w/ scratchbox | 19:13 |
| Pupnik | indeed someone has, google for it | 19:13 |
| dragorn | ah, handy. Well, I already installed my own anyhow, I meant more to deal with questions such as this | 19:13 |
| Pupnik | it's on the vmware site | 19:13 |
| Pupnik | maemo scratchbox appliance | 19:14 |
| Pupnik | iirc it's only got bora on it - bansteen do you want to develop for nokia 770 or 800? | 19:15 |
| bansteen | i am just asked by my comapany to do a esearch on it | 19:15 |
| bansteen | research | 19:15 |
| bansteen | i don know | 19:15 |
| Tak|work | sounds like n800 | 19:16 |
| bansteen | can I run scratchbox on ubuntu 6.10 or fc-6 | 19:17 |
| bansteen | or fc-5 | 19:17 |
| bipolar | bansteen: ubuntu is fine | 19:17 |
| bansteen | cool | 19:18 |
| bansteen | it downloaded tar packages | 19:18 |
| bansteen | and installed successfully | 19:18 |
| bansteen | but when i goto adduser | 19:19 |
| bansteen | it says runmefirst has not been run | 19:19 |
| bansteen | or it can not find the file in sbin | 19:19 |
| bansteen | runmefirst shud be in /scratchbox directory | 19:19 |
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| bansteen | it says it can not find in /scratchbox/sbin/ | 19:20 |
| Pupnik | i don't know what is wrong, i followed the instructions | 19:22 |
| bansteen | how did u add user | 19:23 |
| bansteen | as root ? | 19:23 |
| Pupnik | don't remember | 19:23 |
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| Pupnik | i think i ran a script in scratchbox | 19:23 |
| bansteen | runmefirst script | 19:23 |
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| Pupnik | there's installation instructions on the scratchbox.org site. use the instructions for the version of scratchbox that you have installed | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | bansteen: I cannot help you there, because I installed scratchbox from the debian packages rather than tarballs | 19:24 |
| bansteen | i also did the same but i don no why i can't run | 19:25 |
| bansteen | i did it with deb, fc-6 and ubuntu | 19:25 |
| bansteen | can i mail my problem to scratchbox developement | 19:26 |
| Pupnik | what version of scratchbox do you have installed | 19:27 |
| bansteen | 1.0 | 19:27 |
| Pupnik | what do you see if you type apt-cache show scratchbox-core |grep Version ? | 19:28 |
| robster | Tak|work, sbaturzioAtWork: thanks for playing with Dates early. | 19:28 |
| Pupnik | apt-cache show scratchbox-core |grep Version | 19:29 |
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| bansteen | scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386 | 19:29 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: "grazie a te!" thank you to you. dates is really useful for me | 19:29 |
| robster | sorry about the rough ride to begin with | 19:30 |
| Pupnik | bansteen: here is a brief howto .. http://linuxtodo.chipx86.com/wiki/Scratchbox_1.0_and_Maemo_Installation | 19:30 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: but I think there is a little problem: can't add another calendar. | 19:30 |
| bipolar | kkito: ping | 19:30 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: :-( ? | 19:30 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: what do you mean? | 19:30 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: I've configured a single calendar, linked on my google cal | 19:30 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: but when I want to add another "local" calendar I get a segfault | 19:31 |
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| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: :-( | 19:32 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: when I'm adding a new calendar, the combo box "type" show only "on the web" in the list of choosable types | 19:32 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: ahah | 19:32 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: i guess you hadn't chosen anything from the list | 19:33 |
| robster | really should make the list have something by default | 19:33 |
| robster | it segfaults if you don't choose something. | 19:33 |
| robster | grr. | 19:33 |
| robster | sorry about that. | 19:33 |
| * robster will fix | 19:33 | |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: why sorry? I'm happy if I can help you to improve Dates | 19:34 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: well its just annoying that that happens | 19:34 |
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| bansteen | thank u all for ur support | 19:37 |
| bansteen | will let u knwo if i have solved the problem | 19:37 |
| Pupnik | good luck bansteen | 19:38 |
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| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: okay, can I credit you? | 19:45 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | as a beta tester? why not | 19:46 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: whats your real name I can put it in the Changelog | 19:46 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: may I open a query? | 19:47 |
| maddler | oh... robster... btw... thank you for Dates! :D | 19:47 |
| robster | of course you may | 19:47 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | maddler: do you remember that script I sent you by email? you can throw it away now ;-) | 19:48 |
| bipolar | robster: might it be possible, sometime in the future, to integrate the groupdav plugin into the eds server that dates and contacts uses? | 19:54 |
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| robster | bipolar: is that teh groupwise one? | 20:00 |
| bipolar | robster: no... let me get the svn... | 20:00 |
| robster | sbaturzioAtWork: package uploaded to maemo.o-hand.com | 20:01 |
| bipolar | robster: http://svn.opengroupware.org/OGoProjects/evolution-groupdav/trunk/ | 20:01 |
| bipolar | it's for groupdav protocal support. used by OpenGroupware.org, Citadel, and a couple other groupware servers. | 20:01 |
| robster | bipolar: in theory so long as it doesn't use any CORBA stuff directly it should be able to build under scratchbox | 20:01 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: thank you, apt-getupdating.... | 20:02 |
| robster | all the libraries needed are available in our repos. | 20:02 |
| bipolar | the problem is I think it lacks offline support, so use on a semi-connected handheld would be kind of pointless. maybe I'm wrong.... | 20:02 |
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| robster | bipolar: the webcal backend basically caches the remote calendars locally | 20:02 |
| robster | bipolar: but that is read-only | 20:02 |
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| bipolar | robster: yeah... if it could write that would be nice. Citadel supports it. | 20:03 |
| robster | uhm | 20:03 |
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| robster | it depends on ligbome | 20:03 |
| robster | libgnome | 20:03 |
| robster | that isn't available on maemo | 20:04 |
| bipolar | oh, well... :P | 20:05 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | robster: still segfault...this is the xterm output: dates[2017]: GLIB CRITICAL ** e-data-server - e_source_group_peek_base_uri: assertion `E_IS_SOURCE_GROUP (group)' failed | 20:06 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Segmentation fault | 20:06 |
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| bipolar | *sigh* | 20:47 |
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| s-ndh-c | is there any cool software that allows music syncronosation with a mobile device like the n770/n800? | 21:07 |
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| s-ndh-c | like coping the stuff over and create playlists and the likes? | 21:08 |
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| bipolar | kkito: are you still AFK? | 21:27 |
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| lmoura | does gtkmenu have a maximum submenu depth in maemo? | 21:58 |
| lmoura | Some tests here (pygtk demo) shows just the root menu (window menu) and one level of submenus | 21:58 |
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| kulve | lmoura: dunno, but I've seen two levels of submenus on the device.. | 22:02 |
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| Tak|work | as have I | 22:11 |
| etrunko | s-ndh-c: something like syncropated.garage.maemo.org | 22:13 |
| sp3000 | mediaplayer has a few million second level submenus, yeah | 22:13 |
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| sp3000 | 3rd level I don't recall seeing :) | 22:14 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 22:22 |
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| s-ndh-c | wow that looks cool | 22:49 |
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| robster | sbaturzio: did you update? | 22:50 |
| sbaturzio | robster: now? let me check | 22:54 |
| sbaturzio | my last version is 0.4.1 | 22:55 |
| sbaturzio | still segfault | 22:55 |
| robster | really?!? | 22:56 |
| Knowledge | Does anyone else have an issue with white backgrounds after running the app manager in full screen? | 22:56 |
| sbaturzio | robster: yes | 22:56 |
| robster | sbaturzio: what do you do to make it segfault? | 22:56 |
| sbaturzio | robster: Menu->Calendar->properties new | 22:57 |
| robster | does it segfault on startup? since now there is always a calendar type selected by default now | 22:57 |
| sbaturzio | no, when I press ok | 22:57 |
| robster | hhm | 22:57 |
| robster | the about box shows 0.4.1? | 22:57 |
| sbaturzio | yes | 22:58 |
| robster | eek | 22:58 |
| robster | weird | 22:58 |
| robster | i must have done something wrong | 22:58 |
| robster | i tested it on my N800 | 22:59 |
| sbaturzio | robster: I got this message starting Dates from xterm: dates[1533]: GLIB CRITICAL ** e-data-server - e_source_group_peek_base_uri: assertion `E_IS_SOURCE_GROUP (group)' failed | 22:59 |
| robster | on startup? | 22:59 |
| sbaturzio | no, when I press 'ok', then I get the segfault | 23:00 |
| robster | sbaturzio: but there isn't a type autoselected? | 23:00 |
| sbaturzio | no, the field is empty by default | 23:00 |
| sbaturzio | and the list shows only "on the web" | 23:00 |
| robster | uh... | 23:02 |
| robster | that is wrong | 23:02 |
| robster | can you do gconftool -g /apps/evolution/calendar/sources | 23:03 |
| Okko | how can I edit an .sh file in N800? is there any built-in editor that allows that? | 23:03 |
| robster | gconftool-2 | 23:03 |
| robster | even. | 23:03 |
| robster | Okko: vi? | 23:03 |
| Okko | vi is an editor that is hard to even get out of :) | 23:03 |
| s-ndh-c | its not that hard | 23:04 |
| * robster uses vim all day every day | 23:04 | |
| s-ndh-c | but if dont know the keyboard shortcuts and stuff its anoying | 23:04 |
| Tak|work | Vim: Nobody escapes. | 23:04 |
| Okko | ok but none of the graphical editors support editing of any text files? | 23:05 |
| robster | sbaturzio: it looks like your sources are garbled | 23:05 |
| Tak|work | nice cheat sheet at http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif , btw | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | robster: this is the output: Nokia-N800-10:~$ gconftool -g /apps/evolution/calendar/sources | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | [<?xml version="1.0"?> | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | <group uid="1176392020.2554.0@Nokia-N800-10" name="On The Web" base_uri="webcal://" readonly="no"><source uid="1176392636.2554.1@Nokia-N800-10" name="Google" relative_uri="www.google.com/calendar/ical/sbaturzio%40gmail.com/private-76cd682f2670c45599dbcfbaf7010279/basic.ics" color="342cef"/></group> | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | ,<?xml version="1.0"?> | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | <group uid="1170853215.1282.2@Nokia-N800-51" name="On This Computer" base_uri="file:/home/user/.evolution/calendar/local" readonly="no"/> | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | ] | 23:05 |
| sbaturzio | is there a pastebin site where I can paste all this? | 23:06 |
| robster | uhm | 23:06 |
| robster | you could have done privmsg :-/ | 23:06 |
| robster | but no problem | 23:06 |
| robster | you will probably want to regnerate your private google url. | 23:06 |
| dieguito | what was the top capacity of the sd cards n800 read? | 23:07 |
| Okko | dieguito: 2GB, one brand of 4GB may work | 23:08 |
| sbaturzio | robster: just changed private url ;-) | 23:08 |
| dieguito | Okko: uh? | 23:08 |
| robster | sbaturzio: if you unset that key s/-g/-u/ in that command line | 23:08 |
| dieguito | I didn't get that, sorry, could you rewrite? | 23:08 |
| robster | sbaturzio: and then start again does stuff work better? | 23:08 |
| sbaturzio | robster: I'll do it...I'll clean everything and restart again | 23:08 |
| robster | i just wonder if eds might have got confused | 23:08 |
| Okko | dieguito: 2GB is the top capacity of the cards as told by nokia, but one brand of 4GB may work even though officially unsupported | 23:09 |
| robster | sbaturzio: the default stuff certainly works for me | 23:09 |
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| dieguito | Okko: ah ok, thanks :) | 23:09 |
| robster | sbaturzio: your sources look okay though i just don't know :-/ | 23:09 |
| sbaturzio | robster: just cleaned the "registry" let me try again | 23:09 |
| sbaturzio | robster: uhm...default calendar *must* be called Personal? | 23:11 |
| Okko | dieguito: N800 supports only non-SDHC cards and transcend has one 4GB card that is not SDHC, some have said that it works but I'm not sure about it | 23:11 |
| dieguito | so basically any plain SD card will work | 23:12 |
| dieguito | theorically the top is 2g | 23:12 |
| sbaturzio | robster: Ah! cleaning the registry seems solve the problem: the list now show "on this computer" and "on the web" items | 23:12 |
| dieguito | * Two internal memory card slots, compatible with SD, MicroSD, MiniSD, MMC, and RS-MMC. Compatible with cards up to 2GB. Configurable up to 4GB. | 23:13 |
| dieguito | configurable sounds like "it might work" | 23:13 |
| Okko | dieguito: if you're lucky | 23:14 |
| Okko | dieguito: and have enough money, 2x4GB is something like 130 euros | 23:15 |
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| dieguito | I think I'll just buy 1 of 2g, $24 on newegg | 23:16 |
| dieguito | it's far enough for me I think | 23:16 |
| Okko | a finnish seller of that 4gb card says "do not full format this card", that's always convincing to put 4GB of data on it ;) | 23:16 |
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| sbaturzio | robster: uhm...ok, segfault doesn't happens anymore... | 23:16 |
| maddler | evening... | 23:17 |
| sbaturzio | let me check it more | 23:17 |
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| maddler | robster: quick bug-report: while on full screen only 1 line is shown in the menu... | 23:17 |
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| sbaturzio | robster: aaaargh....why now googlecal doesn't answer to Dates? Must I remove Personal calendar? | 23:21 |
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| sbaturzio | and the url is right | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | must I reboot eds? | 23:22 |
| robster | sbaturzio: probably. | 23:25 |
| robster | sbaturzio: kill e-calendar-factory | 23:25 |
| sbaturzio | Aha!!!! it work now | 23:27 |
| robster | cool. | 23:27 |
| sbaturzio | now I got a web calendar and a local calendar. Perfect! | 23:27 |
| sbaturzio | robster: thank you | 23:27 |
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| sbaturzio | robster: oh! another problem!!! O:-) | 23:28 |
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| sbaturzio | or at least it seems a problem...let me try to re-create it | 23:29 |
| sbaturzio | robster: if I edit some calendar, for changing the color for example, after confirming the changes the list of calendars become empty | 23:30 |
| sbaturzio | restarting Dates the list is ok | 23:30 |
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| sbaturzio | robster: I get this messages http://paste.plone.org/13991 after some editing of calendar settings | 23:35 |
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| sbaturzio | uhm...maybe is better if we continue this debug session in query, do you agree? | 23:35 |
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