| Pupnik | PicoDrive_132src.tar.bz2 for gp2x here http://www.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,46,1802 | 00:01 |
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| Tak|work | heh - if it was trivial to get picodrive working, someone would have done so by now | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | it was trivial to get pose and uae working :) | 00:07 |
| Pupnik | but shhhh :) | 00:08 |
| konttori | yeah, pico is a bit of a hack and I guess the linux port is even more so. | 00:08 |
| konttori | But it's wickedly good emulator in the end. so it's worth getting hands dirty | 00:09 |
| JohnMeacham | hrm... I am going to get my bluetooth keyboard and my 2G SD card days before my n800 arrives... that will be vexing. | 00:12 |
| JohnMeacham | "I'll use them with my n770" | 00:12 |
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| Pupnik | another note on those emulators, i think RPGs and strategy games would be best, given the poor design of the 770/800 buttons (for gaming) | 00:26 |
| bill20r3 | there's nethack.. | 00:26 |
| Tak|work | that's been my experience | 00:26 |
| bill20r3 | best.. game... ever! | 00:26 |
| Pupnik | i agree, the nethack port is very nicely done... i'd like to get something similar working for TOME (tales of middle earth) | 00:27 |
| Tak|work | although onscreen buttons work ok for a lot of games that aren't total button-thrashers | 00:27 |
| Pupnik | yeah the fceu and xgalaga ones work ok | 00:27 |
| Pupnik | thanks for that tak, i will have to do something similar for UQM | 00:27 |
| Tak|work | it was easy to get the buttons to work | 00:28 |
| Tak|work | I spent countless hours getting them to be red | 00:28 |
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| Pupnik | lol | 00:28 |
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| Magi | Is there a nethack build for n800 yet? | 00:34 |
| sussman | I just turned on my 800 about twenty minutes ago, for the first time | 00:35 |
| sussman | is there a unix shell? or do I have to install one? | 00:35 |
| Magi | *applauds* or something ;-) | 00:35 |
| * sussman gets ready for a nice long night of RTFM'ing on the web | 00:35 | |
| Magi | Yeah, install it from marmo.org -> applications | 00:35 |
| Magi | maemo.org, that is | 00:36 |
| sussman | directly from within the web browser? | 00:36 |
| Magi | yeah | 00:36 |
| sussman | whoa | 00:36 |
| Magi | just click the "install" button | 00:36 |
| sussman | awesome | 00:36 |
| sussman | thanks! | 00:36 |
| sussman | bbl | 00:36 |
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| Tak|work | it's funny, but I'm also serious | 00:37 |
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| Pupnik | Tak|work: it took a long time to draw the icons? Or was there some programming problem? | 00:40 |
| Tak|work | fceu garbles the sdl palette in order to emulate nes palettes | 00:41 |
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| Pupnik | pocketsnesv6 for gp2x builds without gp2x dependency errors, btw | 00:47 |
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| bill20r3 | anyone know if it's possible to open another osso-xterm(or tab) from the command line? | 01:16 |
| unique311 | do it from the drop down menu | 01:16 |
| bill20r3 | I want to script it. | 01:17 |
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| Sulis | does anyone currently present use python on maemo? | 01:24 |
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| Magi | I tried it once. | 01:26 |
| jku | sulis, I've used it | 01:28 |
| Sulis | have you don't anything good with it? | 01:28 |
| Sulis | i'm finding that several of the modules that i want aren't there... | 01:29 |
| jku | That' | 01:29 |
| jku | sorry | 01:29 |
| jku | that's one problem | 01:29 |
| jku | the other (for me= was the memory footprint... | 01:30 |
| jku | I wrote a little script that was supposed to stay running, had to forget python because of the memory requirements | 01:31 |
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| shawarma | Why is gnuite.com always dead when I reflash my n770? | 01:31 |
| Sulis | ah, right, i don't want anything that stays running | 01:31 |
| shawarma | It's just not the same without my previous maemomapper.. | 01:32 |
| jku | so what modules are you missing ? | 01:32 |
| Sulis | PyXML would be nice | 01:32 |
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| derf | Python was really not made for embedded devices. | 01:33 |
| Sulis | no, it really wasn't | 01:34 |
| Sulis | i don't intend to do anything computationaly intensive, just a little directory parsing and some client-server stuff | 01:35 |
| Sulis | maybe a gui if i can be bothered | 01:36 |
| * Pupnik notes that the gp2x has an arm920t 200mhz cpu and runs pocketsnes are nearly full speed | 01:36 | |
| Sulis | gp2x has a graphics co-processor | 01:37 |
| unique311 | Pupnik i just compiled basilisk2 in scratchbox | 01:37 |
| Pupnik | cool | 01:37 |
| unique311 | another gp2x app | 01:37 |
| Pupnik | does it use sdl to draw? | 01:37 |
| unique311 | k, not sure | 01:38 |
| nomis | Mpf. GPG sometimes is a mystery to me. | 01:38 |
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| skodde | burp | 01:44 |
| skodde | (wrong channel, sorry) | 01:44 |
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| Pupnik | ripping out the pocketsnes menu right now | 01:48 |
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| Pupnik | does gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2) support profiling? | 02:46 |
| Pupnik | -pg flag? | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | aha | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | "ssvb keesj, you can also try to compile the game with -pg gcc option and use gprof to get statistics from running it on arm" | 02:48 |
| Pupnik | but there is no gprof for maemo? | 02:48 |
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| bipolar | The irc logs show that kkito hasn't been online here for 10 days. Does anyone know whats going on with him? | 03:06 |
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| unique311 | k, i give up on basilis2...can't find a rom file... | 03:18 |
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| Pupnik | snes9x ... very close :) | 03:37 |
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| Pupnik | snes9x running now, emu options working (layers on/off) | 03:44 |
| unique311 | share the wealth | 03:44 |
| Pupnik | some roms crashing | 03:44 |
| Pupnik | others showing black screen but emu running | 03:45 |
| Pupnik | on-screen text works though (for e.g. load info etc) | 03:46 |
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| Pupnik | btw free/PD snes roms here http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=snes | 04:04 |
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| rev | URL Pupnik? | 04:10 |
| Pupnik | what url | 04:10 |
| * rev has been waiting for some SNES love on his N800 for a while to play some games | 04:10 | |
| rev | Pupnik: e sorry... for snes9x package, if possible | 04:10 |
| * rev really wishes there was a GBA emulator that ran fast enough | 04:10 | |
| rev | there was on CE, so it is possible on the level of hardware speed on the 770/800 | 04:11 |
| Pupnik | i don't know if i'll be able to figure out what's wrong here | 04:11 |
| Pupnik | you have n800? | 04:11 |
| Pupnik | rev, want to try it out? | 04:13 |
| unique311 | i also. | 04:13 |
| unique311 | n800 | 04:13 |
| Pupnik | ok test it with a simple demo, i think anything using the sdd1 will crash it | 04:14 |
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| Pupnik | http://ln-s.net/OSb | 04:15 |
| Pupnik | start it with the -ns option for no-sound | 04:16 |
| gpolo | uhm | 04:16 |
| gpolo | sorry if this is too off-topic, but, are there better options for internet table pc than n800 ? | 04:16 |
| Pupnik | how much do you want to spend gpolo ? | 04:17 |
| gpolo | well, to be honest I dont care for the price right now | 04:17 |
| gpolo | I just want to know what gadgets are better than it, or if there is any | 04:17 |
| rev | Pupnik: i'd love to | 04:18 |
| rev | cool | 04:18 |
| Pupnik | gpolo: for about 1300-2000 dollars there are other good tablets | 04:18 |
| rev | gpolo: well, what sized device do you want? | 04:18 |
| gpolo | I would like one that has a size like n series does | 04:19 |
| rev | gpolo: there are full-flown windows computers that would do more, but they'll cost more but more importantly (for me) they'll be bigger, heavy, and have much worse battery life | 04:19 |
| gpolo | yes, I dont want one much bigger | 04:19 |
| rev | gpolo: there are a few options in that size, but they are still bigger, thicker and worse batt life | 04:19 |
| gpolo | I would like one around its size | 04:19 |
| gpolo | I see | 04:19 |
| rev | gpolo: search for the OQO, Sony VAIO UX-50, Sony U50, U70 and U71P | 04:19 |
| rev | gpolo: or various UMPCs, which are a lot bigger | 04:20 |
| gpolo | rev, do they run linux by default ? | 04:20 |
| gpolo | no no | 04:20 |
| rev | gpolo: no, they all run windows | 04:20 |
| gpolo | I dont want much bigger things | 04:20 |
| gpolo | uhm | 04:20 |
| rev | gpolo: and many of them can't run anything but windows | 04:20 |
| gpolo | I understand | 04:20 |
| rev | i think you can install linux on the Sony Ux0s, but those are bigger | 04:20 |
| rev | a good inch thick for one | 04:20 |
| Pupnik | a used zaurus might be an alternative | 04:20 |
| rev | and all of those things have like 1-3 hours of batt life | 04:20 |
| gpolo | should I wait sometime before buying a n serie gadget ? | 04:20 |
| * rev prefers the 700/N800 WAY more than all of the zaurus models he has had | 04:21 | |
| Pupnik | rev, i think you must be the pocket gadget guru here :) | 04:21 |
| rev | the one good thing about the zaurus is the keyboard... | 04:21 |
| Pupnik | the newer zauruses or the older ones | 04:22 |
| rev | Pupnik: yeah, it's my area of interest and expertise... i do a lot of coding for PDAs, my main project is a PDA OS/environment inthe spirit of the Newton OS written in Squeak Smalltalk ( squeak.org ) | 04:22 |
| rev | Pupnik: both ... i've had a SL-5500, an SL-C760 and the SL-6000 | 04:22 |
| rev | all of them were worse than the N800 and 770 imho | 04:22 |
| Pupnik | rev, did you used to program in NeXTstep? | 04:22 |
| robtaylor | rev: that sounds pretty cool :) | 04:22 |
| killfill | hey | 04:23 |
| rev | the zauruses have a keyboard, but i can type just about as fast as a soft-keyboard as on a thumboard, but that's just me... i can do a good 40 WPM w/ *real* HWR, like on the Newton | 04:23 |
| rev | Pupnik: yeah, actually | 04:23 |
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| killfill | gizmo is the only SIP client avaible right? | 04:23 |
| rev | Pupnik: but it's never been my main area of work | 04:23 |
| Pupnik | rev, did you go to NDSU? | 04:23 |
| _gpolo | sorry | 04:23 |
| rev | Pupnik: nope, UMD in duluth, MN | 04:23 |
| rev | _gpolo: no prob | 04:23 |
| _gpolo | Pupnik, how is zaurus compared to n800 ? | 04:23 |
| _gpolo | and why did you say an used one | 04:23 |
| rev | _gpolo: smaller device, lower res screen, crappier software | 04:23 |
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| _gpolo | cant you run gnome on it too ? | 04:23 |
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| rev | _gpolo: the N800 can do google video/youtube, flash stuff, etc... the zaurus can't do any flash | 04:24 |
| unique311 | Pupnik I got a could not map screenshot error... | 04:24 |
| unique311 | but it starts | 04:24 |
| rev | gpolo: you can't run full gnome, no | 04:24 |
| gpolo | ok | 04:24 |
| rev | gpolo: unless you run it remotely | 04:24 |
| robtaylor | rev: you got a url for that project? | 04:24 |
| gpolo | rev, is there any prevision for a new release for n series ? | 04:24 |
| rev | gpolo: i mean, there is a zaurus distro called 'pocket workstation' that is setup more like a laptop than a PDA, but meh... you are using a crappier browser (dillo) rather than opera | 04:24 |
| gpolo | ah, dillo, I have used it some time ago | 04:25 |
| rev | gpolo: new hardware or software? the N800 just came out, no rumors on a new release | 04:25 |
| gpolo | a lot worse than opera of course ;p | 04:25 |
| robtaylor | killfill: there's a sip connection manager availiable | 04:25 |
| gpolo | rev, new hardware | 04:25 |
| gpolo | rev, ok | 04:25 |
| gpolo | uhm, nice then =) | 04:25 |
| robtaylor | killfill: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp-sofiasip | 04:25 |
| gpolo | now maybe a more relevant question | 04:25 |
| gpolo | Supposing I dont have a n serie gadget yet, how would I develop and test for maemo ? | 04:26 |
| gpolo | I got scratchbox, but it didnt detect any emulation | 04:26 |
| gpolo | Maybe I didnt understand its purpose | 04:26 |
| rev | robtaylor: kind of in between sites... lost everything in my wiki a while back, and the project has been dormant for a few years. just started again working on it in the last few months since i got a new job and more time. i keep meaning to start working on the wiki again, and can share the URL with you then if you'd like... i keep the newest version up here http://bitquabit.com/rev/images but you need to know how to do squeak before you could | 04:26 |
| rev | really use that | 04:26 |
| robtaylor | killfill: but i suspect it may not work with the current OS release | 04:26 |
| killfill | robtaylor: there is no binary.. :-(.. i guess this is my excuse to finnaly install all the dev environment.. :P | 04:26 |
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| robtaylor | rev: have you worked on any of the HWR? | 04:27 |
| rev | robtaylor: not the system built into the nokia | 04:28 |
| rev | robtaylor: i'm using this awesome system called Genie right now that gives you general gesture recognition throughout squeak... i hvae a full setup of gestures for text input on it right now. not real HWR ala the newton but very good single stroke stuff, very fast and more natural than craffiti | 04:29 |
| robtaylor | rev: nice | 04:29 |
| rev | yeah | 04:29 |
| rev | what's awesome about it | 04:29 |
| rev | is that you can define gestures for any kind of UI component (Morph, in Squeak parlance) | 04:30 |
| rev | so if you draw an X or a C on a window, it closes it | 04:30 |
| robtaylor | rev: i;ve been thinking of doing some sort of FLOSS HWR engine based on a TDNN and a HMM | 04:30 |
| robtaylor | rev: thats a nice idea | 04:30 |
| rev | robtaylor: or, if you draw a box on the desktop it makes a new text editor window | 04:30 |
| rev | robtaylor: anything like that, it takes no work to define | 04:30 |
| robtaylor | i've been kinda put off HWR tthough from the studies done a decade ago showing tap-keyboards were faster input methods :/ | 04:31 |
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| sussman | does anyone use the xchat port on maemo? | 04:31 |
| sussman | just wondering what irc options exist | 04:31 |
| robtaylor | rev: i'll have to get a sqeak envron setup and give it a play :) | 04:31 |
| rev | sussman: yup, there is one- google is your friend | 04:32 |
| sussman | yeah, google is VERY much my friend | 04:32 |
| sussman | since they gave me this n800 | 04:33 |
| sussman | :-) | 04:33 |
| rev | sussman: oh, the irony! | 04:33 |
| Sulis | sussman: yeah, it's quite goo | 04:33 |
| Sulis | good too | 04:33 |
| sussman | when googling, I found one lone developer's port of xchat to 2.8 | 04:33 |
| sussman | but I figured you guys in here might have something 'standard' that everyone uses | 04:33 |
| rev | robtaylor: awesome, let me know if you need help- squeak can be hard to grok for lots of coders used to original environments... if i'm not around, drop into #squeak | 04:34 |
| robtaylor | rev: i guessits pda32.image i want to grab? | 04:34 |
| robtaylor | rev: cool, thanks :) | 04:34 |
| rev | robtaylor: what is cool is that Genie is something that comes with all newer versions of Squeak- it just doesn't come with gestures defined, so most people don't see it. | 04:34 |
| rev | robtaylor: yeah, pda32.imgage pda32.changes is what to download... then get the VM for your OS from squeak.org | 04:34 |
| sussman | (so do maemo enthusiasts all use that xchat port for irc?) | 04:35 |
| robtaylor | rev: have you had it running on a real device? | 04:35 |
| robtaylor | sussman: run irssi on a server | 04:35 |
| robtaylor | in screen | 04:35 |
| robtaylor | and use ssh :) | 04:36 |
| sussman | ha | 04:36 |
| sussman | ok, I can do that. | 04:36 |
| sussman | irssi is nice. | 04:36 |
| rev | robtaylor: i run it on my N800 and before that the 770... i've been running Squeak on PDAs for a good 7 years- it all started with the VTech Helio (anyone remember that Linux-capable PDA), but I've also used the iPAQ 3650, Dell Axim X50v/51v, HP Jornada 720, Sigmarion 3, Zaurus SL-5500, Zaurus SL-6000, Zaurus C760 and other PDAs | 04:36 |
| sussman | screen is my buddy | 04:36 |
| gpolo | is there some way to run maemo in a standard pc ? | 04:36 |
| robtaylor | rev: whats the speed/memory usage like? | 04:36 |
| Pupnik | crazy | 04:37 |
| rev | robtaylor: well, with Squeak the memory usage is basically the size of the .image file plus 1-4 MB for the VM | 04:37 |
| rev | robtaylor: speed is fine for me, it isn't super-duper fast, but Morphic as a GUI toolkit is slowish, but it isn't as slow as Java, for instance... | 04:38 |
| rev | robtaylor: with that PDA32 image i think the speed is just dandy on both the 770 and N800 | 04:38 |
| rev | robtaylor: things like gesture recognition is just about instant | 04:38 |
| rev | robtaylor: for the VM on the N800 and 770 go here - http://g-24.net/squeak/770.html | 04:39 |
| rev | robtaylor: for a more extensive description of my impressions of squeak on the nokia 770 and instructions for install read these - http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-October/109851.html and http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-October/109850.html | 04:39 |
| robtaylor | wow, morphic is really quite ugly | 04:40 |
| rev | well | 04:41 |
| rev | not neccesarily | 04:41 |
| rev | by default it is though | 04:41 |
| rev | an old squeak image of mine, using morphic: http://www.d.umn.edu/~areichow/squeak/sq-w-theme.jpg | 04:41 |
| rev | some other screenshots from morphic: http://www.d.umn.edu/~areichow/squeak/sqtaskbar.png ; http://www.d.umn.edu/~areichow/squeak/ajr34-9jan07.png | 04:42 |
| rev | that last one includes in it the VT100/xterm emulator written for squeak... which is great for me, because it means other than a web browser, i can do everything in squeak. :) | 04:42 |
| robtaylor | hmm, well its all very interesting :) | 04:42 |
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| robtaylor | i better head to bed, its nearly 3am here, but thanks for the lowdown :) | 04:43 |
| rev | fo sho | 04:43 |
| rev | squeak's biggest problem is bad PR | 04:43 |
| rev | so i try to help with that | 04:43 |
| rev | bad PR stemming form some bad choices mostly about the default squeak image, mind yu, but still :) | 04:44 |
| robtaylor | heh | 04:44 |
| robtaylor | i wonder how good squeakgtk is ;) | 04:44 |
| rev | well | 04:44 |
| rev | at this point not good AFAIK | 04:44 |
| rev | but | 04:44 |
| rev | wxSqueak is usable | 04:44 |
| rev | from what i've read | 04:44 |
| robtaylor | ick | 04:44 |
| Pupnik | 30fps with frameskip 1 .. | 04:44 |
| rev | ick? | 04:44 |
| robtaylor | wx is a bit of the worst ofall worlds | 04:44 |
| rev | doesn't wxWin use gtk on linux? at least as an option i mean? | 04:44 |
| robtaylor | a wx app looks slightly wrong on all its targets | 04:45 |
| rev | robtaylor: i don't expect gtk-types to go over, but i love morphic myself... it is a TON more powerful than any other gui toolkit i've used | 04:45 |
| robtaylor | not to mention the overhead as well | 04:45 |
| rev | robtaylor: fair enough | 04:45 |
| rev | robtaylor: it would be awesome to have squeak-gtk on maemo especially | 04:45 |
| robtaylor | yeah :) | 04:45 |
| killfill | anyone uses gizmo?.. i dont find any sip config window... :S | 04:46 |
| rev | but then we'd lose the awesome gesture recognizer | 04:46 |
| killfill | and have tap everywhere.. | 04:46 |
| robtaylor | true.. | 04:46 |
| rev | robtaylor: maybe it could be adapted in some way though :) | 04:46 |
| rev | robtaylor: but it's very tied into morphic and derives a lot of it's functionality from stuff you get from morphic for free | 04:46 |
| robtaylor | maybe, i might steal its code into another language ;) | 04:46 |
| sussman | oooh, a z-machine for maemo | 04:47 |
| rev | plase do! | 04:47 |
| * sussman goes to heaven | 04:47 | |
| robtaylor | Aaanyhoo.. bedtime! | 04:47 |
| sussman | gah, I have a mac, but the march 2007 OS upgrade requires linux or windows. | 04:47 |
| robtaylor | night all | 04:47 |
| * sussman tries win2k in parallels | 04:47 | |
| * rev still has to call microsoft to reactivate his goddamn xp install on his MBP | 04:51 | |
| rev | sussman: i installed XP via bootcamp, booted into parallels using one of the newer "can read partition" betas, but that showed up as a different bunch of hardware, which made me want to reactivate XP... n ow i can't boot into either. luckily i don't need to use windows for anything but games, and have found some other games to tide me over :) | 04:51 |
| Pupnik | snes9x --selftest : All tests ok | 04:55 |
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| unique311 | can't get a rom to work... | 05:03 |
| unique311 | trying different flags | 05:04 |
| unique311 | no go | 05:04 |
| unique311 | selftest worked | 05:04 |
| Pupnik | unique311: run something with -dfr | 05:05 |
| unique311 | did | 05:05 |
| unique311 | no go | 05:05 |
| sussman | the win2k in parallels actually worked | 05:05 |
| sussman | wow | 05:05 |
| sussman | now I get to re-configure all my settings in maemo | 05:05 |
| sussman | whee | 05:05 |
| Pupnik | unique311: you don't see a framerate at the bottom? | 05:05 |
| unique311 | its screwed up.. | 05:06 |
| unique311 | a bunch of lines | 05:06 |
| Pupnik | unique311: then you can hit = twice to get to frameskip=1 | 05:06 |
| unique311 | horizontal i see the numbers | 05:07 |
| unique311 | i'm at 05 | 05:07 |
| unique311 | 06/60 | 05:09 |
| unique311 | Pupnik what flags are you using? | 05:14 |
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| unique311 | and which rom worked for you | 05:14 |
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| killfill | hey guys... | 05:16 |
| killfill | http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-510-Bluetooth-Multipoint-Technology/dp/B0009B0IX4/ref=pd_ys_qtk_rvi_img/104-4525789-5625537?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1H997EX3M127HT8AQPXA&pf_rd_t=1501&pf_rd_p=186412001&pf_rd_i=home | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | unique311: just trying all kinds of flags and config file settings, nothing is working yet | 05:17 |
| killfill | im plannig to buy that.. does bluetooth headphones works ok?.. i.e. to hear music and eventually when i get a sip client to work , speak by the phone? | 05:17 |
| unique311 | same here...fr 10/60 | 05:17 |
| Pupnik | trying snes9x 1.42 now | 05:19 |
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| rev | Pupnik: hey, if you UL any newer versions of snes9x or whatever, please msg me, ok? :D thanks! | 06:16 |
| Pupnik | feh | 06:19 |
| Pupnik | so close... yet so far... | 06:19 |
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| Tak | hmm , fceu sucks on 2007on770 | 06:25 |
| Tak | thumbpresses barely register at all | 06:25 |
| Tak | is there some way to adjust the scre | 06:28 |
| Tak | wtf - screen sensitivity | 06:28 |
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| Pupnik | aha, i could build it in the i386 target and see if the error is arm-related | 07:54 |
| Pupnik | or a problem with kdrive | 07:54 |
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| unique311 | got it to start a rom? | 07:59 |
| Pupnik | yes but not to display anything | 08:01 |
| Pupnik | i feel sick | 08:02 |
| Pupnik | AHA | 08:03 |
| Pupnik | the x86 scratchbox build works | 08:03 |
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| Pupnik | is nokia 770 LSB_FIRST? | 09:24 |
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| Pupnik | is n770 kdrive xserver running rgb 565? | 09:35 |
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| Pupnik | hah it needs lsb_first | 09:46 |
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| fish_ | re | 09:52 |
| Pupnik | hi | 09:54 |
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| Pupnik | 60 fps | 10:23 |
| Pupnik | holy ____ | 10:23 |
| keesj | what?? | 10:24 |
| Pupnik | snes9x | 10:25 |
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| Pupnik | photo of the first snes9x to run on nokia 770 http://ln-s.net/OWZ | 10:46 |
| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:46 |
| Pupnik | morning | 10:46 |
| Eloi | Pupnik: frame rate? ;) | 10:48 |
| Pupnik | 60fps on that screen | 10:48 |
| Pupnik | much slower on some other games | 10:48 |
| Pupnik | no sound or input working yet | 10:49 |
| Eloi | it's a good start aniway :) | 10:52 |
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| Pupnik | i was just about to give up too | 10:53 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Aloha! | 10:54 |
| Pupnik | i can't believe how fast it is | 10:55 |
| Pupnik | hi sbaturzioAtWork | 10:55 |
| sbaturzioAtWork | Pupnik: ciao | 10:55 |
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| sxpert | Pupnik, considering the snes was running some souped up z80... | 10:57 |
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| konttori | morning all | 10:57 |
| Pupnik | ah the fps display is giving incorrect figures | 10:57 |
| Pupnik | hi | 10:58 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: Did you have any luck with pico yesterday? | 10:59 |
| Pupnik | no i just got snes9x running :) | 10:59 |
| Veggen | hmm. Me, I got MythTV with transcoding for the N800 working during easter. And pushing it to a place where I can download it with my N800, etc. Works nice. | 11:03 |
| Veggen | (just google for "n800 mythtv", that provides the needed info, although could probably be a bit more userfriendly (gathering the bits) | 11:03 |
| Veggen | pity I don't really need it ;) | 11:04 |
| Veggen | well, not yet. Maybe I do, but I just don't know it yet. | 11:05 |
| glass | Pupnik: hows the speed with games with transparency effects? | 11:05 |
| glass | on snes9x | 11:06 |
| Pupnik | no idea, the input methods not working yet | 11:06 |
| sp3000 | is d.m.o down or is it just me | 11:09 |
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| timeless | sp3000: speaking of | 11:22 |
| timeless | i've been trying to get crazyparking | 11:23 |
| timeless | and haven't managed all weekend :( | 11:23 |
| sp3000 | -> ubg | 11:23 |
| sp3000 | er | 11:23 |
| * sp3000 -> bus | 11:23 | |
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| keesj | does the windows maemo chat client support video? | 11:41 |
| keesj | the thing that is sent to people when you invite somebody ? | 11:42 |
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| keesj | Hi btw. sorry for beging so rude | 11:42 |
| glass | dunno | 11:43 |
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| Pupnik | about 9 fps with frameskip 3 and scaling | 11:53 |
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| wazquis | anyone knows how to enter a new password for a wifi? My friend made a typo and it saved the password | 12:03 |
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| Pupnik | i think there's a connection list somewhere, you can delete the connection and set it up again | 12:04 |
| keesj | wazquis: I think you can remove stuff via the control panel network connections | 12:05 |
| wazquis | ah, we found it, thanks | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:10 |
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| tigert_ | heya | 12:15 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: SO, 9 fps with transparent effects? Did you get the input methods working? | 12:31 |
| konttori | Is that with scaling? | 12:31 |
| Pupnik | yeah and i can't turn scaling off | 12:33 |
| Pupnik | somewhere snes9x is setting scaling on regardless of config settings | 12:33 |
| konttori | Ok. So, 9 fps is almost playable | 12:34 |
| Pupnik | do you have a n800 konttori ? | 12:34 |
| Pupnik | yeah i figure without the scaling it could be a good deal better | 12:34 |
| Pupnik | without sound unfortunately | 12:34 |
| Pupnik | savestates work | 12:37 |
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| Pupnik | funny, in scratchbox it runs without scaling | 12:38 |
| konttori | Pupnik: yeah, I do | 12:38 |
| konttori | Also, if you could make it just do 2x scaling, it might also be faster (no floats needed) | 12:38 |
| Pupnik | well as soon as i figure out where it's deciding to stretch the screen, i'll force it to 1x for the 770 | 12:39 |
| Pupnik | and then hopefully get xsp accelerated scaling going | 12:39 |
| Pupnik | but i'd like to see how fast the 800 runs it | 12:40 |
| Pupnik | (hint hint) | 12:40 |
| konttori | Pupnik: where can I dl to test it? | 12:41 |
| konttori | Also a test rom would be nice if you have. If not, I can get one. | 12:42 |
| Pupnik | do you see my privmsg? | 12:42 |
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| Pupnik | you can get public domain snes roms at zophar's domain | 12:45 |
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| Pupnik | i'm sorry konttori, you're not responsive enough to help | 12:49 |
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| Pupnik | http://www.zophar.net/roms.phtml?op=show&type=snes | 13:00 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: I didn't get your privmsg | 13:32 |
| Pupnik | strange, i'm registered | 13:32 |
| Pupnik | try now | 13:32 |
| konttori | How can I switch view in irssi? | 13:32 |
| Pupnik | esc + number of chan | 13:33 |
| Pupnik | esc+2, 3, 4 etc | 13:33 |
| konttori | thanks! | 13:33 |
| zeenix | or alt | 13:33 |
| osfameron | or /win $num<RETURN> | 13:34 |
| osfameron | if you like typing more | 13:34 |
| Pupnik | osfameron: well that is useful if you have more than 10 windows | 13:34 |
| osfameron | more than 20 :-) | 13:34 |
| osfameron | I use esc + q-o for 11-19 | 13:34 |
| Pupnik | ah | 13:35 |
| osfameron | when you have more than that, it might be worth investing in a plugin that completes by channel name | 13:35 |
| osfameron | I have one that you write: /go ma<TAB> and it will complete to /go #maemo | 13:38 |
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| Okko | alt+q: one window left and alt+w: one window right are useful if you have lots of windows. | 13:44 |
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| Jaffa | Kimmo Kinnunen: a name I recognise from maemo-dev? http://osnews.com/story.php/17646/WebCore-From-Safari-2.0-Branch-Imported-in-GTK+-WebCore/ | 14:40 |
| glass | i've heard the name before too.. hmm | 14:46 |
| glass | i some symbian stuff i assume though | 14:47 |
| glass | -i +in | 14:47 |
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| zeenix | Jaffa: glass: are you sure you people are not confusing it with Kimmo "Hämäläinen"? :) | 14:49 |
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| glass | after some googling i'm sure i had heard the name before in association with webcore(nokia side).. not in connection with maemo though | 14:52 |
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| Jaffa | zeeniz: I'm not sure of anything :-) | 15:05 |
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| inz | At least my thunderbird only finds posts by Kimmos Alhola and Hämäläinen from maemo-developers. | 15:08 |
| inz | Err, Ahola that is | 15:08 |
| inz | But anyway | 15:08 |
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| mallum | zeenix: ping | 16:03 |
| zeenix | mallum: pong | 16:04 |
| mallum | zeenix: re upnp - some stuff we hacked together a while ago but never got back too :( http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/kozo/gupnp/ | 16:06 |
| zeenix | mallum: hmm.. at first glance, api looks nice | 16:08 |
| zeenix | mallum: i could have used gupnp instead of punp but as you said, it's not maintained anymore :( | 16:09 |
| Veggen | Is upnp *only* on the local net, or is there a setup you can use to make it send packets to specified networks/servers? | 16:10 |
| Veggen | my wireless network is on a different net than my wired lan, there is a firewall in between (that I control) | 16:10 |
| mallum | zeenix: whats punp ? | 16:10 |
| zeenix | mallum: pupnp i meant | 16:11 |
| mallum | zeenix: whats pupnp ? | 16:11 |
| zeenix | mallum: the one i mentioned/linked in my blog | 16:11 |
| zeenix | mallum: i thought you just read my blog? | 16:11 |
| zeenix | http://pupnp.sourceforge.net/ | 16:11 |
| mallum | zeenix: oh right - thats a fork of the old intel upnp libs ? | 16:12 |
| zeenix | yeah | 16:12 |
| zeenix | and *compatible* fork | 16:12 |
| mallum | zeenix: yeah the API absolutely sucks then and try anything complex and you'll be at the mercy of the zillion threads it uses | 16:13 |
| mallum | zeenix: thats why we started hacking on gupnp | 16:13 |
| zeenix | hmm... | 16:14 |
| zeenix | mallum: how far did you go with gupnp, maybe we can revive it? | 16:14 |
| mallum | zeenix: it got pretty far-ish. upnp isn't easy to implement unfortunatly | 16:16 |
| mallum | zeenix: it would be very good to revive it | 16:16 |
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| zeenix | mallum: hmm.. i can at least look into it | 16:19 |
| dev | I'm biased, but maybe https://coherence.beebits.net can be of some help | 16:22 |
| zeenix | mallum: so i take it libgunp is glib mainloop friendly and doesn't use implicit threads? | 16:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | pupnp is buggy... :-( | 16:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | we've reported bugs already, AFAIK none of them were fixed | 16:25 |
| * zeenix wonders why he can't write 'upnp' correctly | 16:26 | |
| mallum | zeenix: yeap | 16:26 |
| mallum | dev: coherence is python based though | 16:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/brisa is another good one | 16:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's built on the same roots as coherence... not much difference so far | 16:27 |
| dev | mallum: yes | 16:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: python will probably ship with next platform... so not a big deal being python | 16:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | with carman being python, canola moving to python, konttori and many other good apps using it... using upnp written in python is not that problem | 16:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | at least it will be less buggy... clinkc and libupnp (and derivates) are really bad | 16:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | they have non-sense abstraction layers or reimplement things like threads or xml parsers... too bad, and too buggy :-( | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | all in all... writting upnp in C is more trouble than goodness... | 16:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's not perfomance critical, few (users|queries)/second | 16:31 |
| mallum | k-s[WORK]: yeah great idea writing apps in python on an embedded device | 16:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's all about converting objects from some media (ie fs, db) to xml | 16:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: it actually is | 16:32 |
| mallum | k-s[WORK]: sure it is | 16:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: less memory leaks, less code on device... libpython will probably be already in ram | 16:32 |
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| mallum | k-s[WORK]: and python runs really fast and uses little memory with a fantastically efficient garbage collector | 16:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: n800 was a fast computer by 3-4 years ago, remember that ;-) | 16:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: I have pygame running at 60fps doing alpha transparency on n800 | 16:33 |
| mallum | wow amazing | 16:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: if you opt to use SDL or GTK, most operations will be handled in C anyway, so just the control will run in python... that's almost nothing | 16:34 |
| etrunko | and flickering | 16:34 |
| etrunko | :( | 16:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: flicker is due xorg (daniels) not apps | 16:34 |
| Robot101 | its just because there's not enough bandwidth to the screen | 16:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: it happens in C (see canola, opera browser or any gtk window that does animation) | 16:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | Robot101: exactly | 16:35 |
| etrunko | i know man... I was just kidding | 16:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: ;-) | 16:35 |
| mallum | hey Robot101 | 16:35 |
| Robot101 | yo | 16:35 |
| etrunko | I mean, it feels like the N800 is slower than the 770 | 16:35 |
| * Robot101 is on the train, yay didcot | 16:36 | |
| etrunko | for human eyes | 16:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | etrunko: yep... video player is even worse | 16:36 |
| zeenix | Robot101: err.. and i dont have internet at my apt for a week now :( | 16:36 |
| Robot101 | zeenix: can't you just 3G with your phone? | 16:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | k-s[WORK]: gmyth-streamer is also in python ;-) | 16:37 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: the point is, n800 is not that slow, we're still far from it's CPU limit, and we lack applications... writing apps in python is easier, less error prone and just a bit slower | 16:37 |
| k-s[WORK] | MoRpHeUz: and catota ;-) | 16:37 |
| etrunko | k-s[WORK]: nice name | 16:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | today I'll release my brand new player and streamer solution for n800: catota | 16:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe, for sure! | 16:38 |
| etrunko | :D | 16:38 |
| zeenix | Robot101: on n800, yeah but for some reason i fail to do any bluetooth connection from my ibm thinkpad | 16:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 16:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | zeenix: isn't your hw device off due ibm acpi? | 16:38 |
| zeenix | k-s[WORK]: beats me | 16:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | ? | 16:39 |
| zeenix | k-s[WORK]: i don't know | 16:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | is the green light on? | 16:40 |
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| k-s[WORK] | is the bluetooth card detected? | 16:40 |
| mallum | k-s[WORK]: great and I can enjoy a cup of tea whilst waiting for them apps to start and pray I have enough memory to run more than a couple of them | 16:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | sometimes I just hit the damn fn-F5 and toggle it | 16:40 |
| robtaylor | mallum: it seems a lot of speedups have been made | 16:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | mallum: at least if you have them running, they'll probably stay running, not being caught by oom-killer due buggy, leaking, apps | 16:41 |
| zeenix | k-s[WORK]: i think so because the i was able to find my phone from the bluetooth utility (what was the name?) | 16:42 |
| robtaylor | mallum: apparently import gtk only takes 10 secs now, which is pretty down from 30 :) | 16:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | zeenix: ok | 16:42 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: :) | 16:42 |
| mallum | robtaylor: haha, we're all set then | 16:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | robtaylor: jdahlin have some ideas to speed it up... like a "server" to fork new apps (kdeinit, maemo-lancher, ...) | 16:43 |
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| k-s[WORK] | problem with "import gtk" is the way it's implemented trigger the bad implementation of ld-linux | 16:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's now a bit better | 16:44 |
| zeenix | k-s[WORK]: thats all good but still it can't beat C and in the world of embedded, spead is *extremely* crucial | 16:44 |
| robtaylor | k-s[WORK]: yeah, i know the bug well | 16:44 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: well thats true, but if it runs fast enough then there's no reason not to use it | 16:44 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: its not like its a bad development platform | 16:44 |
| unique311 | Pupnik you around to share ur latest snes9x? read you made some progress.. | 16:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | but before it did have a huge static table with every gtk symbol in it, so ld-linux had to resolve every gtk symbol before loading... and that requires waling a list doing strcmp(), but since gtk_names_have_a_long_prefix_... | 16:45 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: what? n800/meamo or py? | 16:45 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: 10 sec isn't a big deal you mean? | 16:48 |
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| robtaylor | zeenix: not for user apps, i think | 16:51 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: python, i mean | 16:51 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: i'm keeping an aye on pypy though :) | 16:52 |
| robtaylor | eye, even | 16:52 |
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| k-s[WORK] | robtaylor: me too, but it's a long term thing :-( | 16:52 |
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| robtaylor | i wonder if they got any GSoC love.. | 16:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | robtaylor: using that patch to have ld-linux use the hash instead of linked list is likely to bring speedups sooner | 16:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | robtaylor: I think they do... also, EU sponsors the project... with lots of money AFAIK | 16:53 |
| robtaylor | k-s[WORK]: wyeah, that;d be nice to see | 16:53 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: امید بØار رکھ :) | 16:55 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: i can't read that language :/ | 16:55 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: before you segfaul, it's a urdu saying meaning, 'hope for the heaven' :) | 16:55 |
| zeenix | segfault even | 16:55 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: i always do, i always do.. | 16:56 |
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| unique311 | rockbox..... | 17:26 |
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| unique311 | anybody alive? | 17:39 |
| Tak|work | alive-ish | 17:41 |
| unique311 | check out the rockbox source...codecs folder mainly, apps | 17:41 |
| unique311 | well pretty much everything | 17:41 |
| unique311 | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 | 17:41 |
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| bill20r3 | Mmmrockbock | 17:44 |
| unique311 | rockbox | 17:45 |
| unique311 | gonna try to run some of the apps and games in scratchbox | 17:46 |
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| unique311 | can compile rockbox for arm | 17:57 |
| bill20r3 | that'd be cool if they all ported over. | 17:57 |
| unique311 | yeah | 17:57 |
| unique311 | need someone with the knowhow.. | 17:58 |
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| unique311 | followiing the README in docs | 18:17 |
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| bill20r3 | geeks.com has a pretty cheap BT gps, is it worth taking a $50 chance that it's any good? | 18:42 |
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| jamey_ | anyone know what kind of DRAM (sdram, ddr, ddr2?) is in the N800? | 18:42 |
| c0ffee | for $50 you should get a sirf III bt gps from ebay | 18:42 |
| c0ffee | you don't want anything without a sirf III | 18:42 |
| bill20r3 | sirf III is the chipset? | 18:43 |
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| [pcfe] | yupp, I concur with c0ffee, Sirf III is the chipset you really want. I'm very haoppy with my Holux GPSlim 236 | 18:44 |
| [pcfe] | brbr smoke | 18:45 |
| bill20r3 | there's this one for us$50: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GPT-600&cpc=SCH | 18:45 |
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| bill20r3 | where does the map data for maemomapper come from? | 18:47 |
| konttori_ | you can choose the source | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | e.g. gmaps can be used as a source | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | but there are others as well | 18:48 |
| unique311 | konttori..whats up | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | such as the open source alternative (can't remember what it's called) | 18:48 |
| bill20r3 | so I can pre-populate it with map data from google maps before leaving home? | 18:48 |
| konttori_ | Not much. Came back from work, took dinner, looking on what to do for ukmp | 18:49 |
| unique311 | scroll up and check out the link for rockbox i added.. | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | can you repost? | 18:49 |
| unique311 | http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 | 18:49 |
| konttori_ | Did you have any success with picodrive? | 18:49 |
| unique311 | no... | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | ok, what is rockbox? | 18:50 |
| konttori_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox | 18:50 |
| unique311 | basically linux for all those mp3 players... | 18:50 |
| bill20r3 | open soucce firmware replacement for archos/iriver/other mp3 players. | 18:50 |
| unique311 | ipods, irivers, etc | 18:50 |
| [pcfe] | bill20r3: yes you can pre-download the maps | 18:51 |
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| bill20r3 | excellent. | 18:51 |
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| konttori_ | I think I've seen it once. So, I suppose it's pretty good player. | 18:52 |
| unique311 | well its linux... | 18:52 |
| unique311 | diffferent from the rest... | 18:52 |
| unique311 | check the directory out.. | 18:52 |
| unique311 | i just compile it for scratchbox.. | 18:53 |
| unique311 | not sure..after the make | 18:53 |
| unique311 | it told me to run make zip | 18:53 |
| konttori_ | still downloading | 18:53 |
| unique311 | ok | 18:53 |
| unique311 | wondeiring if i should run make install... | 18:53 |
| konttori_ | Sounds interesting. I hope you'll get it running | 18:54 |
| unique311 | no rule for make install... | 18:54 |
| unique311 | guessing its going to run like an emu | 18:54 |
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| Smilez | whats new everyone/ | 19:04 |
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| konttori_ | unique311: Did you try compiling pico? | 19:36 |
| unique311 | no Pupnik was gonna take a shot when he had time.. | 19:38 |
| unique311 | i tired..but it complained about arm.. | 19:39 |
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| konttori_ | Ok, so wasn't successful. Shame. I hope he can get it to work. Would be much faster than snes emus. Although snes emu should be easier to compile and might run fast enough with some tuning. | 19:40 |
| unique311 | i'll give it a shot again.. | 19:42 |
| Tak|work | looks like it's a little faster than vba, thankfully | 19:42 |
| Tak|work | 10fps should be fine for the plethora of good snes rpgs | 19:42 |
| Tak|work | and I expect it'll be at least 15fps on n800 | 19:43 |
| unique311 | he said he got 60 out of it.. | 19:43 |
| unique311 | 1 game | 19:43 |
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| unique311 | # mz80 | 19:46 |
| unique311 | DEFINC += -D_USE_MZ80 | 19:46 |
| unique311 | OBJS += ../../cpu/mz80/mz80.o | 19:46 |
| unique311 | this was my issue yesterday im guessing.. | 19:46 |
| unique311 | ya'll spoke of cylclone.. | 19:46 |
| unique311 | maybe if i change some lines it will work.. | 19:46 |
| Tak|work | it wasn't actually 60 - the fps counter was borked | 19:48 |
| unique311 | k | 19:48 |
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| zuh | And anything above ~15fps is more than what gets on the screen (due to hw limitations) so the benefit of getting 60... | 20:13 |
| zuh | It matters for input of course | 20:14 |
| Tak|work | I thought the hw allowed for 30fps with doubling? | 20:15 |
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| unique311 | got picodirve | 20:17 |
| zuh | Hmm, the pixel doubling is back? | 20:17 |
| zuh | I thought the only improvement was for the video in the latest firmware | 20:17 |
| unique311 | gonna see if it works on the old n800 | 20:17 |
| gpolo | does cairo renders decent on n800 ? | 20:19 |
| gpolo | how fast it goes, for small things | 20:19 |
| Tak|work | yeah, pixel doubling is back | 20:21 |
| konttori_ | sounds great that pixel doubling is back. Is it call compatible between 770 and n800? | 20:26 |
| Tak|work | yes | 20:27 |
| Tak|work | well - in my limited use, yes | 20:27 |
| konttori_ | is N800 s movie player using it? | 20:28 |
| Tak|work | I don't know | 20:28 |
| konttori_ | it seems to be awfully slow no matter what rez video | 20:28 |
| Tak|work | movie playback still hangs for me with the builtin player | 20:28 |
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| konttori_ | 770? | 20:30 |
| Tak|work | n800 | 20:32 |
| Tak|work | 770 player plays them flawlessly | 20:32 |
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| Pupnik | brb | 21:44 |
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| Pupnik | back | 21:54 |
| anothy_x | can anyone recommend a folding bluetooth keyboard with full-sized keys for use with the N800 (preferably also the 770, but that's secondary)? i've looked at several, but it's hard to tell how good any are without having one to type on for a minute. | 21:55 |
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| anothy_x | also, is the environment needed to compile kernel modules for the N800 the same as that needed for generic applications? anything further? | 21:57 |
| dragorn | anothy_x: nokia makes one which is semi-ok, i had some issues typing | 21:58 |
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| Pupnik | i haven't tried them all, sorry | 22:00 |
| anothy_x | nokia's is the one i *did* get my hands on, and didn't like it. | 22:00 |
| anothy_x | some of the stowaway's looked nice. | 22:01 |
| Pupnik | you should buy brand x, it is much better than brand y | 22:01 |
| Pupnik | i know this because i bought brand x and i use it | 22:01 |
| bhima | I've got a ThinkOutside one. | 22:01 |
| anothy_x | yeah, those arguments are seldom compelling. | 22:01 |
| anothy_x | but "i have a brand y and it sucks" are more informative. | 22:02 |
| Pupnik | anothy_x: maybe you want something with more keys | 22:02 |
| Pupnik | and 4 rows | 22:02 |
| bhima | A pin fell out of it and I need to get off my ass and send it back in to them or replace the pin; I think I can do that. | 22:02 |
| anothy_x | bhima: know which one, off hand? are you happy with it? | 22:02 |
| Pupnik | i mean 5 rows | 22:02 |
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| bhima | Their standard bluetooth one. | 22:02 |
| bhima | It has one very, very irritating feature which I should look in to; I think it's only a problem with maemo. let me chekc. | 22:03 |
| Pupnik | i have stowaway bt. haven't used anything else | 22:03 |
| bhima | If I press "FN down" "T/5 down" "FN up" "T/5 up" I get "5t" instead of "5" | 22:03 |
| anothy_x | is this the one you both are talking about? http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/sbt5e/sbt5e_product.html | 22:03 |
| bhima | Oh, wow, no, I didn't know they had that one in bluetooth. | 22:04 |
| Pupnik | no that's the bigger one | 22:04 |
| Pupnik | the stowaway is smaller | 22:04 |
| Pupnik | sorry | 22:04 |
| Pupnik | it's also called 'stowaway; | 22:05 |
| Pupnik | shees | 22:05 |
| konttori_ | unique311: did you want to ask something? | 22:05 |
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| unique311 | nevermind | 22:05 |
| anothy_x | this one? looks like small keys. http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/xtbtue/stowawaybt_product.html | 22:05 |
| Pupnik | yeah http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/xtbtue/stowawaybt_product.html | 22:05 |
| unique311 | trying to get picodrive compile... | 22:06 |
| bhima | I have that one in iPaq. | 22:06 |
| bhima | 55t5t | 22:06 |
| unique311 | i sent you a PM Pupnik | 22:06 |
| Pupnik | key size is fine | 22:06 |
| bhima | no, I"m wrong, it's the keyboard. | 22:06 |
| Pupnik | unique311: is your nick registered? | 22:06 |
| bhima | It's very irritating. | 22:06 |
| anothy_x | the second one? | 22:06 |
| bhima | The four part folding one is nice, but the middle hinge is always loose. | 22:07 |
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| unique311 | yes it is | 22:07 |
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| bhima | I have the metal one in bluetooth and the black one in wired. | 22:07 |
| bhima | Also, on my n800 it often auto repeats horribly. | 22:07 |
| anothy_x | but the keys are full size and reasonable (i'm not looking for desktop-class springyness, obviously, but not feeling like mush would be good)/ | 22:07 |
| bhima | But that doesn't seem to be happening on my mac right now. | 22:07 |
| bhima | The keys themselves are very nice IMHO. | 22:08 |
| bhima | The mechanism looks quite complicated, but other than this pin dropping out it's held up very well. | 22:08 |
| anothy_x | what a lame site. the front page tells me the first one's called the sierra, although it doesn't say that anywhere on the product page. | 22:09 |
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| sp3000 | hrm | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | can I make the xterm not scroll to bottom on output | 22:09 |
| bhima | ThinkOutside got bought by iGo. Mayhbe they screwed up the site. | 22:09 |
| anothy_x | k. i'm going to look around a bit more, but that's what i'm leaning towards. thanks for the input. | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | it's no fun trying to view a syslog tail when scrolling causes the audio foo to activate and deactivate -> log | 22:10 |
| anothy_x | anyone worked with lkm's on maemo? | 22:10 |
| c0ffee | i compiled some | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | so scrolling anywhere else causes it to drop to the bottom after a second :D | 22:10 |
| bhima | I've also tried an older fold in half IR keyboard. | 22:10 |
| bhima | It has some fairly small buttons on it. | 22:10 |
| c0ffee | i have the nokia one | 22:10 |
| bhima | ANd it had 7 modifiers. | 22:10 |
| c0ffee | it sucks by design | 22:11 |
| c0ffee | but it's better than the onscreen kb | 22:11 |
| bhima | "Less painful than having your fingerails ripped out" | 22:11 |
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| anothy_x | cool, cause that sucks! | 22:11 |
| bhima | I want a carrying case to hold my n800 and a keyboard together and use them on the go. | 22:12 |
| c0ffee | staring on a screen 'on the go' causes serious injuries | 22:12 |
| c0ffee | when running into traffic signs etc | 22:12 |
| anothy_x | my train seldom runs into traffic signs. | 22:13 |
| bhima | http://www.pda-concepts.com/Images/standview1.gif That one. | 22:13 |
| bhima | well, similar at least. I've never actually used that one; Apple made one. | 22:13 |
| bhima | I've walked around with a newton and wired keyboard with no case, IRC'ing. :) | 22:13 |
| anothy_x | ah, newtons. | 22:14 |
| anothy_x | c0ffee: on the lkm: no special tricks, same cross-compiling env as regular maemo apps? | 22:15 |
| c0ffee | there's an howto in the wiki | 22:16 |
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| c0ffee | it's not copy & paste | 22:16 |
| c0ffee | but it works along those lines | 22:16 |
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| anothy_x | anyone here involved with maemo's GSoC effort? | 22:28 |
| anothy_x | i'm involved in plan9's and i'm curious whether everyone else is having as much "fun" trying to allocate slots as we are. | 22:29 |
| Pupnik | plan 9 is from outer space | 22:31 |
| anothy_x | indeed. :-D | 22:31 |
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| Pupnik | maybe this SoC is just a marketing problem | 22:32 |
| Pupnik | i just started porting apps and now have 7 projects running | 22:32 |
| Pupnik | is there money in it? fame? | 22:32 |
| anothy_x | we actually had a port to the nokia tablets in our project list, but (much to my dismay) it's unlikely that's going to make it at this point. | 22:33 |
| anothy_x | well, since i've given up on getting a reasonable response out of nokia's support, i've now got an extra 770. maybe i'll try the port myself over the summer. | 22:37 |
| anothy_x | i'll let you all know how it turns out. in the mean time, thanks for the info and pointers. | 22:37 |
| melmoth | Coin | 22:37 |
| melmoth | oups | 22:38 |
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| _m0 | hi @all! | 22:45 |
| _m0 | someone around who has aircrack-ng working on n800? | 22:45 |
| _m0 | i always get the error message /bin/sh: ./aircrack-ng: not found | 22:46 |
| gpolo | seems easy to fix | 22:46 |
| gpolo | maybe someone coded with a editor that break-lines in windows style | 22:47 |
| _m0 | ah i see, thx for the info. | 22:47 |
| _m0 | but how can i fix it? | 22:48 |
| gpolo | you have to remove these things | 22:48 |
| gpolo | it seems you have a shell in your n800 | 22:48 |
| gpolo | (I dont own a n800) | 22:48 |
| gpolo | it has sed ? | 22:48 |
| gpolo | type sed on shell | 22:48 |
| _m0 | yes i got a shell on my n800 | 22:49 |
| gpolo | do you have sed ? | 22:49 |
| gpolo | I believe so | 22:49 |
| bill20r3 | does the n800 wlan driver support injection? | 22:50 |
| gpolo | sed -e "s/[\r\n]//g" aircrack-ng > aircrack-ng2 | 22:50 |
| gpolo | try to run aircrack-ng2 then | 22:50 |
| _m0 | i am a little bit confused about the break-lines since aircrack-ng is a binary. | 22:50 |
| gpolo | ahh | 22:50 |
| gpolo | it is binary ? | 22:50 |
| _m0 | ok i will give it a try | 22:50 |
| gpolo | dont do that then | 22:50 |
| _m0 | i thought it is i will just check. | 22:51 |
| gpolo | it seems to be a shellscript | 22:51 |
| gpolo | check it | 22:51 |
| _m0 | it is an elf 32-bit file | 22:54 |
| _m0 | so no chance with sed :( | 22:54 |
| gpolo | ok | 22:54 |
| gpolo | do ldd aircrack-ng | 22:54 |
| gpolo | check the output | 22:54 |
| _m0 | dynamically linked maybe that is the problem. | 22:55 |
| gpolo | maybe it is missing a library | 22:55 |
| _m0 | i don't have ldd :) | 22:55 |
| gpolo | uhm | 22:55 |
| gpolo | I wish I had a n800 ;) | 22:55 |
| _m0 | it's nice, but i can't compare it to the n770 never had one | 22:56 |
| Tak|work | _m0: where are you trying to run aircrack-ng from? | 22:56 |
| _m0 | xterm, after changing to root | 22:56 |
| Tak|work | I mean what directory | 22:57 |
| _m0 | /usr/local/bin | 22:57 |
| _m0 | thats where the binary is placed. | 22:57 |
| Tak|work | and it's executable? | 22:57 |
| _m0 | yes it is. | 22:58 |
| Tak|work | hmm, I don't know then | 23:00 |
| _m0 | k, thx anyway | 23:00 |
| MoRpHeUz | hhmm....the search engine from "downloads.maemo.org" is case sensitive. =/ | 23:01 |
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| _m0 | instead of "ldd" one can use "/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list </path/to/binary" | 23:18 |
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| nhdezoito_adrian | hi all | 23:25 |
| _m0 | hi | 23:26 |
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| gpolo | _m0, ldd is just a shell script that uses /lib/ld-* | 23:31 |
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| _m0 | ok, i didn't know | 23:33 |
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