| andre__ | if you're new to triaging, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Triage_guide is the place to start probably | 00:00 |
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| andre__ | no obligations, of course. this should remain fun here :) | 00:00 |
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| zenlinuxPDX | Since I have an N800, it's impossible for me to confirm a lot of the bugs I'm seeing, which are N900-related. Any suggestions on filter options to set in bugzilla search to save me some time? | 00:01 |
| netvandal | the wiki is terrible slow.... | 00:01 |
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| timsamoff | Like non-responsive is more like it. :( | 00:02 |
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| netvandal | true | 00:03 |
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| rlinfati | andre__, another localization bug 3784 | 00:08 |
| andre__ | rlinfati, but that one is triaged already - it has NEW status and has an "int-" Alias set | 00:10 |
| andre__ | hmm, I should probably add the latter to the Triage Guide | 00:10 |
| jebba | andre__: re: #6982 in the web browser if i hit ctrl-space in the URL entry box i get "idioma de entrada cambiado" | 00:10 |
| andre__ | jebba, in es_MX? or es_ES? | 00:11 |
| jebba | though my locale may be es_AR not sure. definitely spanish though. | 00:11 |
| andre__ | I think rlinfati covered it already, it should be correct for es_AR :) | 00:11 |
| andre__ | thanks, that's helpful! | 00:11 |
| lma | Back | 00:13 |
| lma | What should we do for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6441 ? | 00:14 |
| povbot | Bug 6441: telepathy-gabble sometimes stucks in busyloop after waking the device | 00:14 |
| jebba | andre__: ok. I didn't confirm that es_ES says it (but rlinfati did), but I can confirm that "Tipo de fuente cambiado" means font changed (e.g. the original reporter translations are correct). | 00:15 |
| andre__ | okay, thanks! :) | 00:15 |
| andre__ | actually in a more recent version it's even worse, as it says ""Tipo de fuente cambiado a %s"" | 00:15 |
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| netvandal | andre__, ok, now i start lurking in the bugzilla :) | 00:17 |
| jebba | gah, my locale is es_MX. | 00:17 |
| andre__ | nokia has a big fuck up with stuff they call "Latin American Spanish" while actually using es-MX for it | 00:19 |
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| jebba | andre__: ya. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6534 | 00:20 |
| povbot | Bug 6534: Inital setup time zone: America Latina only lists cities in Mexico | 00:20 |
| andre__ | jebba, yeah, that's ugly. but triaged already, see the Alias field :) | 00:21 |
| jebba | My clock is still an hour wrong too haha. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 | 00:21 |
| povbot | Bug 6481: Libtimes: Buenos Aires, Argentina time off by 1 hour | 00:21 |
| andre__ | jebba, blame your government ;-)) | 00:21 |
| jebba | oh ya, i blame them in the ticket even. | 00:21 |
| lma | Be fair, that one's not Nokia's fault | 00:21 |
| jebba | totally not. | 00:21 |
| jebba | but still foo | 00:21 |
| jebba | i can't imagine how many things that fucked up around the world ahaha | 00:21 |
| lma | you can probably stick a corrected tz file in /usr/share/zoneinfo in the meantime | 00:22 |
| andre__ | jebba, ah, sorry, did not know remember it was you who filed it | 00:22 |
| jebba | np | 00:25 |
| * andre__ gets more coffee. long night | 00:26 | |
| timsamoff | Bye again for now. | 00:37 |
| * timsamoff must tickle my son. | 00:37 | |
| netvandal | andre__, i checked this | 00:37 |
| netvandal | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6521 | 00:37 |
| povbot | Bug 6521: Email field type (home,work) not updated when updating contact when deleting a field | 00:37 |
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| netvandal | and i found it working with latest firmware | 00:37 |
| andre__ | netvandal: feel free to add a comment like "I cannot reproduce this in 1.2009.42-11" and CC yourself if you want to | 00:39 |
| netvandal | i'm doing rit ight now :) | 00:39 |
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| * andre__ wonders if guenther and lma have ever talked with each other :) | 00:42 | |
| andre__ | if not: guenther: lma. lma: guenther. :-P | 00:42 |
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| lma | I don't think so | 00:42 |
| lma | Hi! | 00:43 |
| andre__ | lma, guenther's on the bugzilla 3.4 stuff | 00:43 |
| lma | Ah, excellent :-) | 00:43 |
| guenther | Hey! :) | 00:43 |
| andre__ | lma, i think we quickly talked about it at the maemo summit | 00:44 |
| guenther | Can't stay too long though, need some sleep... | 00:44 |
| lma | yup | 00:44 |
| andre__ | just wanted to introduce, as lma knows that I love to answer any questions with "yeah, will work when we have 3.4" :-P | 00:45 |
| guenther | But we definitely should exchange some addresses, then. Heard you're interested in 3.4... | 00:45 |
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| lma | If there's anything I can help with... | 00:45 |
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| guenther | Not much right now -- but I might find some things for you. :) | 00:46 |
| guenther | Of course, depends on your Perl / Bugzilla / Apache / MySQL foo. As well as clean CSS. :) | 00:47 |
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| guenther | lma: We can move this to /msg, if you want, rather than in here. | 00:48 |
| lma | I'm fine with Perl/Apache/MySQL, less so with CSS. | 00:48 |
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| guenther | Ah, some really solid MySQL-fu would be quite handy. :-) | 00:49 |
| lma | Only prob is that I'll be offline from Thursday until the end of the year | 00:50 |
| guenther | Yes, that is a problem. :) | 00:51 |
| andre__ | lma: christmas holidays? whou, completely offline is... impressive. | 00:52 |
| andre__ | i sometimes enjoy that for a weekend | 00:52 |
| tbf | guenther: did you ever evaluate any other db backend than mysql? | 00:52 |
| tbf | guenther: quite hate it when bugzilla goes down 'cause someone runs reports | 00:53 |
| guenther | lma: Seriously, I still can ping you later then, if you're interested. | 00:53 |
| lma | I'll be somewhere in the middle of nowhere.sk, I *may* get lucky and have GPRS access but that's too expensive for anything serious | 00:53 |
| lma | guenther: absolutely! | 00:54 |
| guenther | Great! :) I'll keep it in mind. | 00:54 |
| guenther | tbf: Nope. Not on my radar right now, got other priorities. | 00:55 |
| guenther | And of course, that's what the server runs -- which I don't (yet!?) have god-like powers on. | 00:55 |
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| guenther | Frankly, the process so far is to hack in a sandbox, and get the results packaged as a deb. See where is is going...? | 00:56 |
| andre__ | lma: .sk? if you're also in .cz ping me for a beer :) | 00:57 |
| guenther | tbf: The new hardware should be alive and kicking soon, though. Which seriously should improve things. | 00:57 |
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| lma | andre_: Sadly not this time, but possibly in the spring | 00:58 |
| netvandal | andre__, i can confirm this... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6532 | 01:00 |
| povbot | Bug 6532: Stores Middle Names but does not allow them to be edited / viewed | 01:00 |
| netvandal | but now go to sleep :) | 01:00 |
| tbf | guenther: well, throwing hardware doesn't help anything if the algorithms are wrong | 01:01 |
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| guenther | true... | 01:02 |
| guenther | But throwing hardware at it sometimes does indeed help. Like eliminating bottle-necks... | 01:02 |
| lma | to be honest, bugzilla seems like the only part of maemo.org that performs well at the moment :-/ | 01:02 |
| guenther | Or having dedicated hardware, instead of VMs. | 01:03 |
| tbf | lma: this db backend question also was more a kind of a meta question | 01:04 |
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| tbf | seems load on BMO really is not high enough to show limits of mysql/bugzilla | 01:04 |
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| tbf | but other bugzilla instances regularly go to knees when queries are run... | 01:05 |
| tbf | therefore i wanted to know if karstenb has insight if other backends help | 01:05 |
| karstenb | I see. | 01:06 |
| andre__ | tbf, we don't have enough bugs for that yet :-P | 01:06 |
| karstenb | Nope, never dug into that. | 01:06 |
| karstenb | Wonder which "others" you're referring to. GNOME? Ever saw the load on that machine? ;) | 01:07 |
| tbf | karstenb: GNOME and PMO | 01:07 |
| tbf | PMO especially during release freezes ;-) | 01:08 |
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| karstenb | The GNOME case probably could be helped with some hardware. | 01:09 |
| karstenb | No insight in the backends and infra on PMO. | 01:09 |
| andre__ | me neither :-/ | 01:10 |
| lma | I may be out of date, but the only possible backends are MySQL & PostgreSQL right? | 01:10 |
| jebba | the wiki works too :) | 01:11 |
| jebba | re #6532, there simply is no field for entering middle names at all... | 01:12 |
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| andre__ | hmm. bug 6671 does not load for me right now. is my comment number 3 there? :-/ | 01:15 |
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| jebba | andre__: I think bugzilla heard us talking about how fast it was and got lazy | 01:16 |
| andre__ | hehe | 01:16 |
| jebba | not loading here either (i was just voting for middle name bug and its spinning away) | 01:16 |
| jebba | or it heard guenther leave so knew it could take a break | 01:17 |
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| karstenb | jebba: I'm rarely banging at the live server. :) Usually sandbox work, and a quick flip to live. | 01:18 |
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| Anidel | here I am.. I can help now.. how it works? | 01:19 |
| Anidel | do I need a fully charged battery ? :D | 01:19 |
| andre__ | haha | 01:20 |
| andre__ | Anidel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Tasks | 01:20 |
| andre__ | basically: do what you want, and ask if you have questions :) | 01:20 |
| Anidel | cool | 01:20 |
| Anidel | ok | 01:20 |
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| tbf | jebba: just use the first name field | 01:20 |
| andre__ | hmm. yeah, bugs.maemo.org seems a bit unstable to me now. sigh | 01:21 |
| andre__ | this does not make work easier :-/ | 01:21 |
| lma | me and my big mouth :-( | 01:21 |
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| tbf | jebba: vcard stores parsed names in the N attribute and this one doesn't only have family name and given name, but also "Additional Names, Honorific Prefixes, and Honorific Suffixes" | 01:22 |
| tbf | jebba: UI designers considered full support for this attribute confusingly complex | 01:22 |
| jebba | middle name isn't too confusingly complex methinks... | 01:22 |
| tbf | jebba: it's over design | 01:23 |
| lma | sigh | 01:23 |
| tbf | jebba: what's the difference between first name and middle name, please? | 01:23 |
| Anidel | well ok.. I'll start when bugzilla wakes up :) | 01:23 |
| jebba | what's the difference between a first and last name? | 01:23 |
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| Anidel | first name is well your own name and last name your surname | 01:23 |
| jebba | and your middle name is your middle name... ?? i find this thread odd. | 01:24 |
| jebba | anyway, the bug is that it is showing them, but can't edit them... | 01:24 |
| Anidel | Jason J. Carter | 01:24 |
| jebba | Harry S Truman | 01:24 |
| rlinfati | Rodrigo Carlos LINFATI | 01:24 |
| Anidel | First: Jason, Middle: J., Last name: Carter | 01:24 |
| tbf | jebba: after reading this http://blog.barisione.org/2009-06/parsing-names/ you really might wonder | 01:24 |
| andre__ | tbf: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237297#c8 :-P | 01:24 |
| rlinfati | linfati is my family name, last name, etc.... | 01:24 |
| andre__ | just kidding, of course it cannot be easily ported | 01:24 |
| tbf | jebba: and take the pov that names should not be parsed and handled as opaque string :-D | 01:25 |
| jebba | tbf: well, ya, you might not *KNOW* whether it is a first or last name in the case of some "stranger" (e.g. burlesconi), but that doesn't mean one of his names isn't his first and one his last... | 01:26 |
| tbf | andre__: ah, good to know that the maemo5 UI designers are not alone | 01:26 |
| Anidel | ahahah Burlesconi.. I like that | 01:26 |
| andre__ | hehe | 01:26 |
| andre__ | I remember lots of discussions about middlenames in Evolution addressbook | 01:26 |
| jebba | i mean there's fucking nickname and honorific *suffixes* but not a middle name? hmm... | 01:27 |
| tbf | andre__: jebba: guess we should just play smart and append middle names to first name field when present, and mix the honorific stuff into the last name file | 01:27 |
| tbf | jebba: we don't have honorific suffixes in contacts | 01:27 |
| andre__ | problem is that there's so many different naming schemes in this world. like "prename prename familyname familyname" | 01:28 |
| tbf | jebba: again: it's the vcard standard which supports middle names and honorific bling | 01:28 |
| andre__ | so while that might work, it's complicated to *parse* stuff when importing/exporting | 01:28 |
| tbf | jebba: but UI designers decided against this clutter | 01:28 |
| lma | UI designers have too much power if you ask me | 01:29 |
| Anidel | :) | 01:29 |
| tbf | lma: if you don't give them power you end with stuff like diablo | 01:30 |
| jebba | tbf: i see *25* fields that can be used for a contact, and "Middle Name" is clutter? | 01:30 |
| lma | But I *like* Diablo! | 01:30 |
| tbf | jebba: yes. | 01:30 |
| tbf | jebba: andre__ can import the bug into internal tracker and we can try to play smart like i suggested, but adding additional information from N attribute to first name and last name field | 01:32 |
| tbf | s/but/by/ | 01:32 |
| rlinfati | testing my full name.... ( Rodrigo Carlos Eugenio Linfati Medina ) | 01:32 |
| tbf | but that's the maximum which would happen for maemo5 | 01:32 |
| andre__ | rlinfati, spanish is just cooler. :-D | 01:32 |
| tbf | rlinfati: you south european people are just name geeks :-D | 01:33 |
| tbf | somehow i like the stuff chinese people got | 01:33 |
| tbf | two glyphs and done. | 01:33 |
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| andre__ | heh. chinese input methods are interesting. I once played with a chinese mobile phone | 01:34 |
| tbf | of course no long nose even has a clue how to speak those names.... | 01:34 |
| tbf | ....but this compact representation of names - just fascinating. | 01:34 |
| andre__ | grmpfbrrr.... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6594 is WAY too much text. sigh. | 01:37 |
| povbot | Bug 6594: Phone "stuck" when bluetooth pairing fails and you want to cancel pairing requiring reboot then pairs even though says it failed | 01:37 |
| jebba | ; Family; Given; Middle; Prefix; Suffix. <-- from RFC | 01:37 |
| tbf | jebba: yes. complex jadda. | 01:37 |
| jebba | I still can't zill.. | 01:37 |
| tbf | jebba: even more crazy: ADR | 01:37 |
| tbf | jebba: if i'd ever had to implement a contact editor again, i'd also just treat addresses as opaque string | 01:37 |
| jebba | adr-type = "dom" / "intl" / "postal" / "parcel" / "home" / "work" / "pref" / iana-type / x-name | 01:37 |
| tbf | jebba: not parsable or reasonably editable | 01:37 |
| lma | hey, the bot can access b.m.o | 01:37 |
| tbf | jebba: that are predefined values for the TYPE parameter | 01:37 |
| andre__ | garr. | 01:38 |
| andre__ | --- bugs.maemo.org ping statistics --- | 01:38 |
| andre__ | 28 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 27700ms | 01:38 |
| jebba | lma: 90 secs later... | 01:38 |
| andre__ | no good. | 01:38 |
| andre__ | especially not on a bugday :-P | 01:38 |
| tbf | jebba: the post office box; the extended address; the street address; the locality (e.g., city); the region (e.g., state or province); the postal code; the country name | 01:39 |
| karstenb | ugh | 01:39 |
| lma | well, 3 minutes later I'm still waiting | 01:39 |
| karstenb | All you guys simultanously banging at bugs killed that poor machine! ;) | 01:39 |
| tbf | jebba: wtf is "extended address"? many "or"s for region, and how many (just official) spellings exist for UK (for instance) | 01:39 |
| andre__ | karstenb, hey, i was just playing a bit! :-P | 01:39 |
| lma | does it usually respond to ping? I don't think I ever tried. | 01:39 |
| jebba | tbf: i don't know what Extensión is either actually. It is in the contact program though. | 01:40 |
| karstenb | andre__: Don't touch the red button. | 01:40 |
| jebba | I also have Apdo. Postal (??) and Código Postal (the latter makes sense to me) | 01:40 |
| tbf | jebba: we agreed on stuff like "c/o" and such | 01:40 |
| karstenb | Can't connect to the database. | 01:40 |
| karstenb | Error: Too many connections | 01:40 |
| karstenb | Is your database installed and up and running? | 01:40 |
| andre__ | karstenb, I only looked at it! | 01:40 |
| karstenb | Whee. | 01:40 |
| karstenb | andre__: bugs.m.o is up, ping is irrelevant | 01:41 |
| andre__ | yeah, now I get an error too in the browser. | 01:41 |
| andre__ | Error: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'osso.db.dmz' (111) | 01:41 |
| karstenb | back for me | 01:41 |
| lma | same here | 01:41 |
| andre__ | ah. welcome back. | 01:41 |
| andre__ | yay. | 01:41 |
| lma | Server shutdown in progress | 01:41 |
| andre__ | what the... :-) | 01:41 |
| lma | someone restarted mysqld | 01:42 |
| jebba | WORKSFORME | 01:42 |
| lma | Either that or it crashed and got restarted automatically, take your pick | 01:42 |
| karstenb | I picture a watchdog process, killing the DB for restart, due to too much load. :-D | 01:43 |
| jebba | haha | 01:43 |
| jebba | re: #6594 tl;dr BT wedges, needs reboot | 01:47 |
| andre__ | "Correo-e" for "Email"? Spanish looks funny. | 01:47 |
| jebba | ya | 01:47 |
| jebba | i laughed when i saw that. | 01:48 |
| andre__ | jebba, whouah, you read that report? :) | 01:48 |
| andre__ | jebba, is that term used? | 01:48 |
| andre__ | or is something else more common? | 01:48 |
| jebba | Here (argentina, very different spanish), they call email "mail" | 01:48 |
| andre__ | yeah, okay | 01:48 |
| jebba | "da me tu mail" .. | 01:48 |
| jebba | though IIRC i've heard email in MX. I've never heard correo-e though. | 01:48 |
| andre__ | haha | 01:48 |
| * jebba notes not a native speaker, but understands well enough.... | 01:48 | |
| andre__ | oh yeah, where did Nokia save the money? For translations, of course! :-P | 01:49 |
| jebba | es_ar.po would be a total mess compared to mx/es... | 01:49 |
| jebba | very weird spanish here. | 01:49 |
| andre__ | yeah, my flatmate is argentinian and once explained it a bit to me... | 01:50 |
| rlinfati | andre__, es_CL email, e-mail, mail | 01:50 |
| tbf | andre__: the company nokia hired for translations really is a joke | 01:50 |
| tbf | andre__: incompetent boneheads | 01:50 |
| tbf | obviously none of them a native speaker | 01:51 |
| andre__ | tbf: oh hell yeah. the stuff I've seen in german and polish was.... very very bad | 01:51 |
| tbf | the native looking names of the translators just seem to be mock aliases | 01:51 |
| tbf | in reality it all are some poor 3rd world workers equiped with a dictionary, i'd assume | 01:52 |
| andre__ | :-D | 01:52 |
| jebba | in india ;) | 01:52 |
| tbf | endless battles. endless battles. | 01:52 |
| tbf | jebba: no. indian guys are way too clueful. | 01:53 |
| jebba | "campo" seems like a weird translation for "field" to me too, but i can't remember what it is usually called. (campo is like a field you play football in..) | 01:53 |
| tbf | jebba: actually i wonder why everybody complains about indian testers, those hired by nokia are excellent | 01:53 |
| jebba | oh, ya, not knocking india at all. But for translations to argentine spanish... | 01:54 |
| andre__ | When I ran the device in German once, I just remember "Verteilung" for "Distribution". Verteilung would be correct for food or maths, but not in the App Manager... | 01:54 |
| tbf | andre__: ... | 01:54 |
| andre__ | missing context maybe. but I have huge doubts. | 01:54 |
| rlinfati | i can translate for a new phone with maemo6 :P | 01:54 |
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| tbf | andre__: the worst thing: in contrast to FOSS translators who only get the PO file, those nokia translators all got the UI specs.... | 01:55 |
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| andre__ | tbf, they even get a little bit of context because of the logical strings | 01:55 |
| tbf | ...so they actually could lookup the context of each logical string | 01:55 |
| andre__ | true | 01:55 |
| tbf | and that to | 01:55 |
| tbf | considering the effort UI spec team put into creating good logical strings, it's really a shame what the translators made out of it | 01:56 |
| tbf | type "msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/osso-addressbook.mo | grep _phone_" on device to get an idea | 01:58 |
| jebba | apt-cache search msgunfmt turns up nothing | 01:58 |
| tbf | ...just to give the translators the freedom to adjust translations to screenspace | 01:58 |
| tbf | jebba: oh. SDK then. | 01:59 |
| tbf | jebba: well, or maybe apt-get install gettext - let me check | 01:59 |
| lma | yup, gettext | 01:59 |
| jebba | 99% full / yeehaw | 02:02 |
| andre__ | jebba: df -h ? | 02:02 |
| andre__ | now run into weird issues. | 02:02 |
| andre__ | had that at the summit already, like an obscure error popup every minute :-/ | 02:03 |
| lma | do an apt-cache clean, and if you've installed GUI stuff reboot | 02:03 |
| lma | gah, apt-get clean | 02:05 |
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| jebba | MALF | 02:06 |
| andre__ | I love reports where I nearly don't understand a word. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6942 is one of them :-P | 02:08 |
| povbot | Bug 6942: RFCOMM Connections drop unexpectedly | 02:08 |
| lma | That's not a bad report, but I don't have the hardware to try to reproduce | 02:09 |
| andre__ | what is "RFCOMM"? | 02:09 |
| andre__ | yeah, it's a good one, definitely | 02:09 |
| Anidel | rtcomm? | 02:09 |
| andre__ | probably, yeah | 02:09 |
| andre__ | uh. no. | 02:10 |
| andre__ | a bluetooth protocol it seems | 02:10 |
| Anidel | I can't seem to load b.m.o at all | 02:10 |
| andre__ | all hail to google | 02:10 |
| Anidel | ah..ok | 02:10 |
| andre__ | I learned something :) | 02:11 |
| evo | hello Anidel | 02:11 |
| Anidel | hi evo | 02:11 |
| lma | RFCOMM is essentially serial over bluetooth | 02:11 |
| rlinfati | andre__, with a bluettoth gps you can test.... | 02:11 |
| Anidel | yep.. right.. I was confusing it with the rtcomm | 02:11 |
| andre__ | now if I had one :) | 02:11 |
| Anidel | ah ciao evo .. now I recognize you.. sorry :) | 02:13 |
| rlinfati | andre__, maybe is related to 5880 | 02:14 |
| lma | he's asking in t.m.o as well: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37132 but noone seems to have that particular gadget | 02:14 |
| andre__ | ah, thanks. | 02:15 |
| * andre__ linking | 02:15 | |
| rlinfati | my gps bluetooth is discharged... :( | 02:16 |
| lma | unless it's wifi interference (good call andre!) it's probably specific to that device. RFCOMM is fairly low on the stack and used by almost everything else so if it was a general problem we would have heard about it | 02:18 |
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| Anidel | going to bed.. sorry for not helping at all.. I blame b.m.o | 02:22 |
| Anidel | night :) | 02:22 |
| lma | Good night :-) | 02:22 |
| Anidel | thanks | 02:23 |
| b0unc3 | buonanotte Anidel ;) | 02:23 |
| Anidel | grazie :) | 02:23 |
| lma | any suggestions what to do with https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6441? | 02:24 |
| povbot | Bug 6441: telepathy-gabble sometimes stucks in busyloop after waking the device | 02:24 |
| lma | (see comment 3) | 02:25 |
| andre__ | lma: uh. WONTFIX. :-( good catch. | 02:25 |
| * andre__ sets it | 02:26 | |
| lma | thing is, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3455 has a patch that fixes it for Diablo (it's on my list of things for the community updates if we ever get them up and running) | 02:28 |
| povbot | Bug 3455: telepathy-gabble deadlooping | 02:28 |
| andre__ | hmm. maybe I should have closed as dup instead of wontfix | 02:29 |
| andre__ | yeah. | 02:30 |
| andre__ | doing that now. | 02:30 |
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| lma | thanks | 02:31 |
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| andre__ | haha. welcome GAN900 :) | 02:50 |
| tbf | andre__: hmm - int-87417 is closed ALF | 02:50 |
| andre__ | yeah, it's fixed in fremantle | 02:51 |
| andre__ | as reflected in bugs.maemo.org | 02:51 |
| tbf | oh. you talked about 6441, not 3455 | 02:51 |
| tbf | guess i should go to bed | 02:51 |
| andre__ | anybody having 1.2009.42-11 who could tell me the first two lines of the output of "grep 208 /etc/operator_settings" ? | 02:52 |
| andre__ | asking because I cannot reproduce https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6953 in the internal version | 02:52 |
| povbot | Bug 6953: Missing settings for Orange gprs in operator-wizard-settings | 02:52 |
| tbf | andre__: oh. cool. why didn't i find that file before? | 02:53 |
| andre__ | tbf, haha | 02:53 |
| tbf | well. guess using the dbus service is better than parsing that file, so probably it's good that i didn't find it yet | 02:53 |
| GAN900 | http://pastebin.com/m3627c826 | 02:53 |
| andre__ | GAN900, whoa, cool. thanks. it's really been fixed in the meantime, heh | 02:54 |
| rlinfati | andre__, in chile is missing CLARO CHILE as operator.... | 02:55 |
| andre__ | rlinfati, file a bug report :) | 02:56 |
| andre__ | rlinfati, there's some info needed, though | 02:56 |
| tbf | rlinfati: do you know the MCC for chile? | 02:56 |
| andre__ | MCCMNCSERVICE PROVIDER NAMEACCESS TYPEIAP NAMEGPRS ACCESSPOINT NAMEGPRS AUTOLOGIN (X = YES)USERNAMEPASSWORD | 02:56 |
| rlinfati | 730 | 02:56 |
| andre__ | but it's not really your work to find out :) | 02:56 |
| andre__ | rlinfati: | 02:57 |
| andre__ | 7303Claro ChileINTERNETBAM CLARObam.clarochile.clclarochileclarochile | 02:57 |
| tbf | 730 3 Claro Chile INTERNET BAM CLARO bam.clarochile.cl clarochile clarochile | 02:57 |
| andre__ | looks like it's fixed in a later version :) | 02:57 |
| tbf | oh, andre__ was faster | 02:57 |
| andre__ | sure. I'm less sleepy :-P | 02:57 |
| rlinfati | uhm... and where i get this version? :D | 02:57 |
| tbf | rlinfati: with some luck: soon. | 02:58 |
| rlinfati | but.... bam.clarochile.cl need a proxy.... | 02:58 |
| rlinfati | sorry... ignoreme... | 02:58 |
| rlinfati | bam work ok without proxy... | 02:59 |
| * karstenb recalls some "this year" | 02:59 | |
| andre__ | rlinfati: There is currently no access to these internal, non-public firmware versions. A Brainstorm proposal exists at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/ | 02:59 |
| jebba | andre__: is the "bug" where people see it hung with the second dot lit most, like: * (*) * * * anything that needs investigating? Cuz i'm at that state. I did hit 99%, but then did and apt-get clean and synced, and brought me down to 98%, but now I'm reboot I'm bricked. Anyway if it's a bug you're interested in researching, I'm here. If it's not, well, i'll poke at it myself. Note, i'm running a kernel that is stock+ | 03:00 |
| andre__ | jebba, basically it's covered by 5450 | 03:01 |
| andre__ | err bug 5450 | 03:01 |
| * andre__ looks at povbot | 03:01 | |
| GAN900 | # | 03:02 |
| andre__ | hmm. darn. | 03:02 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450 | 03:02 |
| povbot | Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space | 03:02 |
| andre__ | povbot: other bugs are more intelligent then you | 03:02 |
| povbot | andre__: Error: "other" is not a valid command. | 03:02 |
| andre__ | #5450 | 03:02 |
| tbf | andre__: guess nokia's lawyers would have to spend quite some time on figuring out how to give unreleased images to the community | 03:02 |
| andre__ | GAN900, ??? :) | 03:02 |
| GAN900 | bug #500 | 03:02 |
| andre__ | tbf: yeah, of course it's work. | 03:02 |
| tbf | andre__: in the end there are all those warrenty issues | 03:02 |
| GAN900 | You broke him. | 03:02 |
| andre__ | tbf, but it's together with "When will that new version be out?" the most popular followup question when I close a report as "fixed internally" | 03:03 |
| tbf | andre__: well, and also: how to know which internal images to hand out | 03:03 |
| andre__ | tbf, I've heard rumours that you can get internal images through forum nokia (for professionals). however I've never tried and don't know, hence I clearly say "rumour" here... | 03:04 |
| jebba | andre__: ya, i know you can exhaust root, but i *did* have free space on reboot... | 03:04 |
| tbf | andre__: not sure if you know how images are produced... but system integration alone often releases a dozen images a week | 03:04 |
| andre__ | tbf, i know | 03:04 |
| andre__ | jebba, hmm. uhm. okay. but not much :-P | 03:04 |
| jebba | re: language, "agregar campo" is actually ok for "add field" | 03:05 |
| andre__ | tbf, latest one of one week would be enough already, with a huge "lose warranty and brick your device" | 03:05 |
| tbf | andre__: forum nokia sounds like reasonable rumour | 03:05 |
| andre__ | i simply don't know. i think i read it once somewhere, but can't remember. of course it's extremely vague, i know :-/ | 03:05 |
| tbf | andre__: plus a big: we don't pay anything if the device explodes | 03:06 |
| andre__ | haha, prometoys just sent me an email saying sorry for not joining here, and that he's around next time. nice :) | 03:08 |
| GAN900 | When is the next one? | 03:09 |
| andre__ | next month? Don't know, but having this on a monthly base sounds good I think | 03:10 |
| GAN900 | Sounds good. | 03:11 |
| andre__ | ...and we can vote for a topic in talk.maemo.org :-P | 03:11 |
| lma | yeah, some focus would be good | 03:12 |
| lma | maybe more than one topic, say X hours foo and X hours bar | 03:13 |
| GAN900 | Pick a few products to hit, maybe? | 03:14 |
| andre__ | lma, I'm fine with any proposals :) | 03:15 |
| andre__ | JFDI :) | 03:15 |
| lma | It'd be great if we could have some Nokians present, then obviously that dictates the topic | 03:16 |
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| timsamoff | Hi again. | 03:17 |
| andre__ | heja | 03:17 |
| andre__ | lma, oh yes. that will be a nice... challenge. actually I look forward to it | 03:17 |
| timsamoff | Yeah, so I let the Bugzilla page try to load for almost 20 minutes before giving up! | 03:18 |
| * andre__ needs tension from time to time | 03:18 | |
| andre__ | timsamoff, should work again | 03:18 |
| timsamoff | Crazy cats. :p | 03:18 |
| lma | vitaly_repin might be a good choice, seeing as he's voluntarily thrown himself to the lions^H^H^H^H^Ht.m.o (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136) | 03:19 |
| andre__ | yeah | 03:19 |
| lma | but then again most of us don't have msexchange accounts to test against | 03:19 |
| andre__ | I should ping Quim. He probably can talk to a few people while grabbing lunch | 03:20 |
| lma | Or even maemo-developers (the people most likely to come here probably follow it) | 03:20 |
| timsamoff | Arg! My wife just reminded me of some work I forgot to do. This is NOT an easy day for me to be here. :( | 03:21 |
| * timsamoff would like to commend you all. Good work, andre__ and everyone! | 03:22 | |
| andre__ | timsamoff, hehe. thanks | 03:22 |
| * andre__ adds Panucci to Extras | 03:22 | |
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| GAN900 | How's 3.4 coming, by the way? | 03:24 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, I delegate that question to karstenb :) | 03:26 |
| GAN900 | Hi, Karsten, by the way. :) | 03:26 |
| karstenb | Heya General. | 03:27 |
| karstenb | slowly, but steadily and definitely coming | 03:27 |
| * andre__ kicks karstenb to use qaiku more often | 03:27 | |
| karstenb | argh, right :/ | 03:28 |
| karstenb | I always forget about these funkey thingies. | 03:28 |
| andre__ | karstenb, I can remind you on a daily basis, no problem ;-) | 03:28 |
| andre__ | will start tomorrow. | 03:28 |
| lma | whatever happened to .plan | 03:28 |
| karstenb | HAHA | 03:29 |
| karstenb | lma: Which machine? | 03:29 |
| lma | good point | 03:29 |
| andre__ | "I can ping it, but I cannot find it physically in my flat" ? | 03:30 |
| karstenb | lma: But that was an awesome trip back 20 years. :) Thanks for the memory lane. | 03:30 |
| GAN900 | Grr | 03:30 |
| GAN900 | I do that a lot with these damn tablets. | 03:30 |
| jebba | andre__: take a look here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/dsc_0326.jpg There's more in that subdir. TBH i would still think it should be able to boot at 98% (uh, i've run many systems even at 100%). So there may be something else going on.... | 03:31 |
| karstenb | GAN900: Hack some ping replier. Like phones... So that it beeps. :) | 03:32 |
| GAN900 | dbus | 03:32 |
| karstenb | Err, phones in the sense of DECT. | 03:32 |
| andre__ | MALF?! | 03:33 |
| andre__ | interesting. | 03:33 |
| karstenb | But hell, yeah, can ping? ssh into it, have it make some noise. | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | Nokia needs to quit wasting money on phone R&D and switch to time machines | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | Then we'll have all the rootfs we need. | 03:33 |
| karstenb | jebba: Define "many systems". | 03:35 |
| jebba | uh, my laptop for the last decade ahah | 03:35 |
| jebba | nntp server ;) | 03:35 |
| jebba | perhaps a half dozen ;) | 03:36 |
| karstenb | I mean ~100% still can be more than 2*2,5 MByte... | 03:36 |
| jebba | anyway, it did hit 99% when i apt-getted gettext. Then an apt-get clean dropped it to 98%. Still, is it really writing like 4 megs on boot? i'd be surprised. I'm just humbly suggesting something else may be awry..... | 03:37 |
| karstenb | also, different partitions for /var and /tmp...? | 03:37 |
| jebba | in fact, the reason I rebooted was because often after a reboot space is freed up. | 03:37 |
| jebba | karstenb: i have stock partitioning, no changes there. | 03:37 |
| karstenb | oh, I was referring to the other systems :) | 03:38 |
| jebba | ah, ya definitely on servers, not so often on the laptops tho | 03:38 |
| lma | it's the damn recycled icon caches getting held in RAM by various processes, rebooting gets rid of them | 03:38 |
| jebba | anyway, i'd still be surprised if it was writing *that* much so early in the boot... | 03:39 |
| jebba | http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/MALF/ full dir of the boot | 03:39 |
| karstenb | Yeah... My point basically just is, 100% usage on / still can be a lot of free space... | 03:40 |
| andre__ | icon-cache breaks everything | 03:40 |
| karstenb | on servers | 03:40 |
| jebba | karstenb: ah ya. I do run at 100% often enough too haha ;) | 03:40 |
| karstenb | I recently ran at >100%... | 03:41 |
| karstenb | Data disk got full, and I couldn't copy the recording... | 03:41 |
| karstenb | Few minutes later, that user got the 10% resource for his private usage. ;) | 03:42 |
| karstenb | Got the recordings while I was off-site. Clean up later. :-) | 03:43 |
| jebba | I'm trying to figure out where "getbootstate: Unexpected reset count 50 exceeds maximum (51)" comes from. I was thinking maybe dsm, but the word "Unexpected" doesn't appear: | 03:44 |
| jebba | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/dsm] > grep Unexpected * -r | 03:44 |
| jebba | (though getboostate does) | 03:44 |
| jebba | correction: no getbootstate in there either. wonder what's generating that | 03:45 |
| jebba | dsm/dsme/trunk/debian/dsme.upstart: STATE=`getbootstate 2>/dev/null` | 03:45 |
| jebba | too many open windows heh | 03:46 |
| * jebba ends monologue | 03:49 | |
| lma | binary-wise the message is in /sbin/getbootstate | 03:49 |
| jebba | lma: can you `dpkg -S /sbin/getbootstate` for me? | 03:50 |
| lma | getbootstate: /sbin/getbootstate | 03:51 |
| jebba | hehe thx | 03:51 |
| lma | no source, naturally | 03:51 |
| jebba | E: Unable to find a source package for getbootstate | 03:51 |
| jebba | GODDAMNIT | 03:51 |
| * andre__ yawns and curses timezones | 03:53 | |
| lma | it may be worth stracing it in the /sbin/preinit script | 03:56 |
| karstenb | right, which is the reason I'll crash soon | 03:56 |
| karstenb | lma: I'll ping you -- after your holidays. ;) | 03:56 |
| karstenb | Happy Bugday, everyone! | 03:57 |
| lma | I think I'm going to crash too... | 03:59 |
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| lma | 'night everyone | 04:12 |
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| jebba | fwiw, microlith over in #maemo, is hung at the same spot -- well perhaps, judging by the second dot being "lit", and he had 65M free. | 04:21 |
| andre__ | hmm. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6784 is weird | 04:21 |
| povbot | Bug 6784: Ringtone is creaked during incoming call | 04:21 |
| andre__ | cannot reproduce. | 04:21 |
| jebba | hmm, could be that his mp3 is a "strange" mp3 that the conversion does a poor job of. | 04:35 |
| andre__ | That's why I always tell my children to use proper and clean MP3s, and not to buy them on the streets! | 04:39 |
| jebba | heh | 04:40 |
| jebba | sudo ./flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode Fixed booting up for me. So had nothing to do with full /. For those of you reading the logs. | 05:11 |
| andre__ | so, I should go to sleep. | 06:28 |
| andre__ | thanks everybody! :) | 06:28 |
| jebba | thanks andre__ ! :) | 06:38 |
| andre__ | thanks to all you :) | 06:39 |
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| andre__ | heja. | 14:07 |
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| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6784#c4 - seems like people expect me to download illegal mp3s to reproduce their bugs? :-) | 14:34 |
| povbot | Bug 6784: Speaker is creaking during incoming call (mp3 ringtone) | 14:34 |
| range | andre__: btw: It is possible that bug 6654 is a problem on the server side | 14:43 |
| range | I did an upgrade from dovecot 1.2.6 to 1.2.8 yesterday and they made some changes to the QRESYNC code in 1.2.7 | 14:44 |
| range | bug 6654 | 14:44 |
| range | Okay, then please don't expand my bugs, povbot :/ | 14:45 |
| andre__ | hmm. I think only posting the URL works with povbot | 14:47 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6654 | 14:47 |
| povbot | Bug 6654: IMAP accounts not updated (new messages) after some time | 14:47 |
| andre__ | yeah :-/ | 14:47 |
| andre__ | range, if you do not see that issue anymore, it could definintely be, sure | 14:48 |
| andre__ | if you can also link to a ChangeLog in that report to check for QRESYNC stuff, that would be cool | 14:48 |
| range | andre__: If it still works this evening, this is the longest period over which it worked for me. | 14:48 |
| range | And it beginning to work yesterday evening after me restartung the server also shows that the problem could be on the server side. | 14:49 |
| range | Because up to now I always had to remove the account and recreate it. | 14:49 |
| andre__ | range, well, take some time to test it :) | 14:50 |
| andre__ | of course it would be cool if it now works for you | 14:50 |
| range | It would be interesting to know which server software is behind the accounts others have problems with. | 14:50 |
| andre__ | ask them! :-P | 14:51 |
| range | I did. | 14:54 |
| range | Nobody answers on that bug except "me too" :) | 14:54 |
| andre__ | hehe | 14:59 |
| range | Let's see. | 15:10 |
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| jebba | andre__: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350#c36 So it sounds like a separte bug. I want to follow up with "i seriously doubt i had rebooted 50 times without powering off, as I have powered off plenty and don't reboot too often", but it should likely be in a separate ticket, not in that thread, no? | 16:36 |
| povbot | Bug 6350: random reboot bricks device | 16:36 |
| andre__ | jebba, errr... I don't get the context, soory | 16:38 |
| andre__ | ah | 16:38 |
| andre__ | well, add a comment... | 16:38 |
| jebba | ok | 16:38 |
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| jebba | andre___: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 should Summary update to *17* reboots, not *50* !!! | 19:26 |
| povbot | Bug 6350: getbootstate bricks the device after 50 reboots if there are no normal boots in between them | 19:26 |
| jebba | 17 is way more likely of course. | 19:26 |
| jebba | i dont think i can edit that. | 19:26 |
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| andre___ | jebba, 17? why? | 19:40 |
| andre___ | ah. I see | 19:40 |
| jebba | yikes, eh? | 19:51 |
| jebba | no wonder so many fucking brick reports... | 19:51 |
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| andre___ | anybody with some loudspeaker damaging knowledge around who can confirm the last comments in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6784 ? | 20:50 |
| povbot | Bug 6784: Speaker is creaking during incoming call (mp3 ringtone) | 20:50 |
| andre___ | it's about physical damage for the speakers in case of some wav files and i miss knowledge :) | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | andre___: i can confirm the povbot 's text is red, which is incredibly annoying | 20:52 |
| andre___ | that was not the question, but it's the same here | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | can you maybe get someone to get rid of that? :) | 20:53 |
| andre___ | no idea who maintains povbot | 20:53 |
| andre___ | but isn't it the same in #maemo ? | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the sound has to be converted to uncompressed because we need to be able to guarantee playback | 20:53 |
| * timeless_mbp eventually realizes that this isn't #maemo | 20:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't get it | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if i were closer to the team, i'd call BS | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if we can't safely send that wav to the speakers, we're screwed | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | presumably the software which generates the waves isn't that stupid | 20:56 |
| andre___ | I asked that guy to finally provide a technical explanation. | 20:57 |
| timeless_mbp | does he mean "Cracking" or "crackling" ? | 20:57 |
| andre___ | sigh. already enough tension in that ticket | 20:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i think you should ask him to record the sound using another device | 20:57 |
| andre___ | hmm. interesting idea. but it's not about recording, it's about playing... | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | because w/o some sound, his english seems bad enough that his use of words to describe the problem is just failing | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but he's claiming that some sound is happening from his device | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and that he doesn't like that sound | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | so let him use *another* non nokia product to record the sound he doesn't like | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and have him provide that recording, attesting that it is an accurate presentation of the problematic sound | 20:59 |
| andre___ | ah | 20:59 |
| timeless_mbp | and fwiw, i refuse to comment in that bug | 20:59 |
| andre___ | heh. that's fine :) | 21:00 |
| * andre___ tries to reproduce and thinks of a "REFUSED: BADMUSICTASTE" resolution | 21:06 | |
| andre___ | ah. I can confirm his bug. | 21:14 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: where does one obtain glibc 2.5.1-1eglibc22+0m5, or is that internal and just sit and spin? | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's internal | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it might also exist somewhere else, but i wouldn't know where | 21:42 |
| * jebba punches internal | 21:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | roughly the guy basically backported the data from some other package | 21:42 |
| timeless_mbp | andre___: did you see bug 7050 yet? | 21:43 |
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| jebba | wow smack! | 21:50 |
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| * andre___ hunting weird filetype bug patterns | 22:50 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 23:29 |
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| andre__ | well, I wonder about reasons for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6453 | 23:58 |
| povbot | Bug 6453: Unable to transfer file over Bluetooth from Windows Explorer | 23:58 |
| andre__ | because some file types work, and I wonder whether it has to do with an application to open that filetype is available on the N900 | 23:58 |
| andre__ | it's a wild guess though. it's definitely unrelated to Sharing as in bug 5300 | 23:59 |
| andre__ | if anybody wants to give it a shot, you're highly welcome | 23:59 |
| * andre__ missing a Windows machine with working BT | 23:59 | |
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