IRC log of #maemo-bugs for Tuesday, 2009-12-15

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andre__yay, bug day tomorrow. see you around, I'm off :)00:34
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therocki almost forgot the bug day :D18:06
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evohello! the Bugday idea is really cool, in this way I can bother maemo developers live and not with bugs mails only :P19:29
lmaHi all!19:29
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jukeyhi :)19:32
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jebbaheya19:37
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jebba5 minutes! (unless my time is wrong hehe919:56
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andre__hehe20:00
evoso, who wants to be the first one to fix the bugs I filed? :P20:01
andre__sorry, but this is not about *fixing* bugs :)20:02
andre__and I need 5 more minutes20:02
* andre__ is late20:03
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rangeYou have 8 hours :)20:03
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andre__I know :-P20:03
lmaI'll take 5' too then (enjoying the chocolate, thanks!)20:04
evoandre__: I was kidding, don't worry20:04
andre__lma, hah, you're welcome :)20:05
andre__evo, heh ,okay20:05
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andre__yay. so I think I'm more or less ready.20:19
andre__welcome everybody :)20:19
andre__Basically a Bugday is for hanging around, discussing bugs together where we are not sure what to do, cleaning up a bit (for example taking a look at open reports that have a Version field set to lower than 5 [which means Chinook/Diablo] and updating those; or taking a look at bugs with moreinfo keyword), and introducing new people to triaging a bit by giving them a hand for the first steps.20:20
andre__So... there's no program or something :) If anybody has questions, just ask (and be patient, because it's IRC)20:21
lmaTangentially on-topic: resolution MOVED seems to be off limits to me, is that normal?20:22
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JaffaEv'ning20:31
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RevdKathyhello? echo... echo... echo20:50
rangeSounds hollow.20:50
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lmaYup, deleting/re-creating the birthdays smart calendar results in dupes.  Is that enough to confirm the bug?20:56
andre__definitely :)20:56
Silvernight84yes20:56
lmaI don't have Hermes or any facebook etc accounts to test the original case20:56
Silvernight84that's the problem!20:56
Silvernight84i have hermes20:56
Silvernight84i updated my contacts with hermes20:56
Silvernight84and they were automatically added to calendar20:56
Silvernight84but if you try to delete the birthday from contact, the calendar event remains20:56
Silvernight84and you can't delete it20:56
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Silvernight84then i tried to remove the birthdays, and when i readded then: duplicates.20:56
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lmaand after another delete/create I now have three...20:57
Silvernight84i know20:59
Silvernight84i have four...20:59
Silvernight84:-(20:59
Silvernight84very painful20:59
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RevdKathySo now you will have to buy everyone 4 presents! It just became very expensive indeed21:00
Silvernight84hahaha lol21:00
Silvernight84that's why it's painful21:00
qwerty12_N900*mutters* 99p stores21:01
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jukey_uh... choppy seas today21:18
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lmaAnyway, I think this one should be pushed internally at this stage.21:23
jeremiahlma: Woot21:23
jebbawhy push them internally? Hmm. "The community no longer needs to track this bug..."21:23
jebbaor perhaps you mean something else by that.  (sry if so)21:23
lmaFor better or worse that's how (most of) Nokia likes things21:24
jukey_maybe here somebody has an idea: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694721:24
povbot`Bug 6947: Error: ssl_error_bad_mac_read one some https-websites (e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org)21:24
jukey_i can't use bugs.maemo.org on the n900 atm :-/21:24
jukey_and many other sites21:24
lmaoff the top of my head: is your clock set correctly?21:24
jukey_my clock? yes :)21:25
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archebytehello BugSquad!21:26
andre__heja21:26
jukey_hi archebyte21:26
archebytefirst time here.21:26
jeremiahUmm, pork?21:27
lmaIt most likely is related to the restore somehow... Do you still have the two VeriSign Class 3 certificates in Settings -> Certificate manager?21:28
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jukey_yes there are 2 class 3 certs21:30
jukey_one has 4eb6 d578... as fingerprint and one has 132d 0d45....21:32
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jukey_however it's very annoying21:34
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jebbaok now21:47
lmajukey: of course it's always possible that someone is playing a mitm attack on you, have you tried from a different network?21:47
jebbathe one i see has a fingerpring of 6CDF C332 ... etc (as viewing the certificate in n900)21:47
jebbavalid until 16 July 201021:48
lmaand another silly question: are you using a proxy?21:50
jukey_no21:51
jukey_and I can go to the pages using fanneec21:51
jukey_but i get the error with microb21:51
lmaso probably not an attack then :-)21:51
jukey_fennec i mean :)21:52
jukey_yes21:52
lmamust be something in either the microb config or the certificate store then21:54
archebytefennec rebooted my N900 last night.. :)21:54
jukey_:) yepp fennec very slow and hungry for memory and cpu21:55
jukey_lma: i'll do a reflash and than hopefully this issue is gone21:56
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netvandalhi all21:56
jukey_hi netvandal21:56
archebytehey netvandal21:56
netvandalddos on freenode don't help tday....21:57
netvandalhi jukey_, hi archebyte21:57
lmathat should cure it, but we'll never find out what the problem was.  Try moving /home/user/.mozilla and /home/user/.maemosec* somewhere else and rebooting first21:57
jukey_too late... :-/21:59
jukey_but I already have the backup and can restore my settings again21:59
jukey_ha! a hint...22:02
jukey_there is a version conflict if i try to restore my bookmarks22:02
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jukey_hm tht seems to be not the reason22:04
archebytebye all.22:05
lmaah, of course a *very* silly question is: was the backup made on the same OS version?22:05
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jukey_lma: yes both devices had 1.2009.42-1122:06
therock hey so the bug night has begun?22:07
andre__yesh :)22:08
therockcool :D22:09
therockjust got back from the gym so ready now :D22:09
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therockso any topics so far?22:09
andre__there's no program or something :) If anybody has questions, just ask (and be patient, because it's IRC)22:09
therockhehe22:09
therockokay well i have a couple22:09
andre__ah, cool22:09
therockiptables.... when ? :D22:09
therockbecause a mobile computer without a firewall heh22:10
andre__therock, this is about maintaining bugs, not about fixing them :)22:10
andre__actually i have not really a clue about nokia's plans22:10
therockoh heh22:10
therockbut ehm maintaining bugs.... that not normally a good thing :D22:11
therockwhat do you mean by that? heh22:11
lmaandre__: I'm not sure about bug 6646, since this is essentially a regression from previous versions.  Did the WONTFIX come from inside?22:11
jukey_https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 is now a "worksforme" :) but I'll try to reproduce it an other day22:11
povbot`Bug 6947: Error: ssl_error_bad_mac_read one some https-websites (e.g. https://bugs.maemo.org)22:11
jukey_cool bot :)22:11
jebbatherock: it's offtopic but....  even building iptables/NAT modules for 2.6.28-omap1 kernel won't work, you need to build a new kernel if you want NAT.  More info here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/22:11
therockokay checking it out now22:12
andre__lma, damn, I should become better in documenting the exact reasons :-/22:12
andre__lma, please reopen it and let me find out22:12
lmawe should teach the bot about 'bug \d+' someday22:12
andre__eh?22:13
lmaIt can understand https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6646 but not bug 6646 :-)22:14
povbot`Bug 6646: Show Status for Physical Keyboard22:14
therockandre__: now you made me curius :D22:15
therockwhy is it not posseble to get netfilter/iptables to the kernel22:15
therockwhat needs to be inside the kernel since you have to recompile it22:15
andre__therock: well - there's bugs. and there's developers. and in between, the bugsquad tries to make bug reports "good enough" that developers have enough info to take a look at them. that's what I call "maintaining bugs" :)22:16
andre__also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad22:16
therockahhhh22:16
therockgotcha so we are like some kind of secretaries :P22:16
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jebbagah. Why does bugzilla do midair collisions? Can't it just append my comment after the previous submission?  It's not like you can't comment on talk.m.o if someone comments on a thread at the same time...22:19
andre__jebba, because it's a bit more complicated :-P22:19
jebbaandre__: perhaps Bugsquad URL in /topic22:19
jukey_jebba: somtimes also other fields chaNGE22:19
andre__jebba, well, if somebody closes a bug inbetween, it might change the situation and your comment is needless22:19
*** andre__ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo-bugs, the home of the Bugsquad who maintains bugs.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-bugs-irclog/ | maemo.org Bugday: Dec 15th, 18:00-03:00 UTC -> http://tinyurl.com/yl53f2j"22:20
andre__like that?22:20
andre__jebba, everybody can change the topic :-P22:20
lmaPet peeve: moving a bug from to a different product that has a component with the same name (usually "General")22:20
andre__lma: it sucks and is one step more, I know. Bugzilla 3.4 will fix it22:20
* andre__ swears :-D22:20
lmaAny ETA for that?22:21
jebbahttp://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad /me was thinkin22:22
jebbaanythoo22:22
andre__lma: before end of february definitely22:22
lmaCool :-)22:22
andre__lma: actually also depends on how many hours I can get for Karsten from Nokia for January :-/22:23
therockhey jebba sorry to bother with this question again but it really bugs me you said nat was not posseble without recompile22:24
therockbut what i really want is input output iptables thats it :P22:24
jebbatherock: perhaps we talk about that in #maemo22:25
therocksure man if you are in there heh22:25
jebbasi22:25
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jukey_andre__: yepp grabbing the browser log was not possible as described :D22:34
andre__yeah :-/22:34
andre__or maybe adding TODOs as a first step22:34
andre__would be welcome22:34
andre__in general, to everybody using http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers :)22:34
jukey_some answers are also in your greasemonky script22:35
lmaI think the modest logging instructions are out of date as well22:36
jukey_An other point it is to connect the extras-testing test process and bugzilla... are there any  plans?22:40
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timsamoffHey everyone.22:43
KAHAhi22:43
felixrohrbachhey22:43
andre__heja22:44
lmaHi!22:44
timsamoffLooks like things are hoppin'. ;)22:44
andre__heh22:44
andre__hmm, so is DUN in Fremantle's Bluetooth supported?22:45
* andre__ wonders if "Bluetooth and car sets (only in Fremantle)" stock answer also makes sense for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673422:45
povbotBug 6734: problem pairing with bluetooth headsets22:45
timsamoffThere's an app in Extras that supposedly enables BT DUN. Haven't tried it yet.22:46
lmaDUN client or server?22:46
andre__client22:47
jukey_hi tim :)22:47
andre__I know that server is not22:47
timsamoffHi, Uwe!22:47
lmaofficially neither is supported22:48
andre__heh. okay...22:48
andre__hmm, I think I found an internal ticket about that report now anyway22:48
timsamoffThe app says that the "service" is provided by Maemo and that the app only anables it.22:49
timsamoff*enables22:49
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lmaIs that bluetooth-dun?22:51
timsamoffYes.22:52
lmaThat looks like just an event.d script that does what's described in http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#DUN_server plus setup the right SDP records so the other end knows DUN is supported22:54
lmaIt should work in theory22:54
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KAHAFtpclient upload is that supported on n900 ?22:58
andre__darn, mid-air collisions with lma on bug 6811 :-P22:58
lmaNow you tell me :-(22:59
lmaHm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 (such a waste of a nice round number) INVALID, WORKSFORME or DUPLICATE?23:01
povbotBug 7000: rootfs free space is very low!23:01
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timsamoffRunning into that ^ today.23:01
andre__gnarf23:02
andre__that's a dup23:03
andre__of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545023:03
povbotBug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space23:03
andre__or a complaint about Nokia's architecture decisions and hence out of scope23:03
andre__I'd say dup23:03
jeremiahWorking on 686623:04
lmaThere's also the element of the reporter installing lots of stuff with apt-get which is not officially sanctioned and will eat more disk space (/var/apt/cache, h-a-m cleans up after itself)23:04
timsamoffHi, jeremiah. ;)23:04
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Anidelhi23:05
jeremiahtimsamoff: Hello!23:05
lmaBut let's say dup, easier on all concerned.23:05
jeremiahHow goes it? :)23:05
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timsamoffjeremiah: Always a ball. :p23:05
jeremiahheh23:05
Late666Yo23:05
jeremiahEspecially on bug days23:05
jeremiahThey are fun fun fun!23:05
andre__hehe23:05
andre__how weird. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 - never seen that myself, but I'm running an internal newer version :-/23:06
povbotBug 6970: Alarms list is unsorted23:06
jeremiahBug triage and squashing is hard.23:06
* andre__ trying to find an internal ticket23:06
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timsamoffOT (sort of)... Some Bugzilla DB issues are occurring: http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan23:07
jukey_hi aniello :)23:08
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timsamoffRe: Bug 6970 - My alarms list is sorted fine.23:08
andre__yeah. same here :-/23:08
andre__well, activated alarms are on top of non-active ones23:08
Anidelhi jukey23:09
Anideltrying to get the next t-shirt?:)23:09
lmaThat one's https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570023:09
povbotBug 5700: BugzillaReports fail to connect to database23:09
jukey_povbot: you should make a bug report for this :)23:10
povbotjukey_: Error: "you" is not a valid command.23:10
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timsamoff(Btw, the next t-shirt should be: Planned For Harmattan) :p23:10
jukey_Anidel: yeah23:10
Anideltim ahah23:11
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Anidelor Brainstormed for Harmattan23:11
timsamoffAnidel: Hehe. :D23:11
Anidel:D23:11
lmaIt should be "My bug was Fixed in Harmattan and all I got was this bloody t-shirt" (bonus points for real blood on it)23:11
timsamoffBlood is a major enhancement... Sent to Brainstorm.23:12
lmaBTW, what's up with MOVED?  Is it normal that I don't have access to it in either direction?23:12
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alexatkinAnything happening/happened in here?23:14
andre__alexatkin, yes, we're alive.23:14
andre__lma, Actually I am a bit afraid that Nokia will repeat the Diablo mistake for Fremantle, like "push a few updates, do nothing for 9 months, and then publish Harmattan", as I wrote in my blog. I *hope* they have learned a bit... :-/23:14
andre__lma: let me fix that :)23:15
lmaI think we're ALL afraid of that23:15
alexatkinI could probably live with that, if they fixed all the major bugs in that time.23:15
zenlinuxPDXI have an N800 which is running OS2008 v5.2008.43-7. Is that the most recent release I should be running?23:15
andre__alexatkin, unlikely, as "major" is highly subjective :-/23:16
andre__zenlinuxPDX, yes23:16
zenlinuxPDXandre__, great, thanks23:16
alexatkinI am afraid they will release Maemo 6 and they will have changed the things I like about 5.23:16
lmaSome say this has already happened :-(23:16
alexatkinI dont think virtual desktops are good, capacitive screens or lack of a keyboard.23:17
andre__lma: done. notice the "move to brainstorm" button that will *immediately* move. any former changes by you before clicking it will get lost. (yes, it's a hack, and 3.4 will make that better)23:18
lmaThanks!23:18
andre__virtual desktops are awesome. at least on my laptop here i could not survive without :)23:18
andre__anybody else who wants to be able to move to brainstorm? :)23:18
alexatkinYes but if Nokia think making the desktop fully pannable will fix the portrait/landscape problem they are mental.23:18
lmagotta go for a bit23:18
alexatkinfact is you will end up with a desktop that works better one way or the other23:19
alexatkinI'm perfectly happy with how the N900 handles virtual desktops, but adding up/down scrolling too would be insanely confusing.23:20
andre__So, I should add a sentence to my "Fixed internally" stock answer that answers "if there’s a way to get non public firmware updates".23:20
andre__Hmm. Hmm, hmm.23:20
andre__I think people can get internal updates through forum nokia or something, but I'm not sure if that's true23:20
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timsamoffAny word from Nokia about releasing incremental updates of specific apps rather than large bulk firmware updates?23:22
timsamoff(Oh, what's that bug number...?)23:23
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andre__timsamoff, private email this time. but happened too often. the answer is in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570923:23
povbotBug 5709: N900 firmware out of date23:23
andre__timsamoff,  incremental updates: unfortunately no news.23:23
timsamoffOk. Hmmm... We should really push that one.23:24
andre__and as I still see terms like "PR1.1" and "PR1.2" I don't see changes. which sucks23:24
andre__yeah. it would make life SO MUCH EASIER if other people could also test newer versions, at their own risk.23:24
andre__those who like it should be able to do it.23:24
andre__see http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/23:24
timsamoffRight.23:24
andre__because the more time passes after a public release, the more public reports are "internally fixed already" and I waste time importing ancient stuff23:25
andre__and that sucks23:25
andre__and I already am a few days behind with triaging :-(23:25
timsamoffExactly.23:25
* timsamoff gotta go... My son wants to "watch a movie on the computer." I may be back a little later. (He's grumpy after naps and I don't want to provoke him!) :p23:25
jeremiahheh23:26
timsamoffMaybe I'll come back on my N900.23:26
timsamoffBye for now.23:26
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jeremiahciao23:26
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andre__so, addition to my "Fixed internally" comments is now:23:27
andre__To cover popular followup questions:23:27
andre__* Nokia does not announce release dates of public updates in advance.23:27
andre__* There is currently no access to these internal, non-public firmware versions. A Brainstorm proposal exists at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/23:27
andre__I hope that works...23:27
jukey_sounds good23:28
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andre__I hope that people in Nokia will understand that they waste a HUGE number of testers that would even work for free for them :-P23:28
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timsamoffHey, I'm back! ;)23:31
timsamoffXChat crashes everytime I try to increase the font size, though!23:31
andre__XChat crashes when changing anything :-P23:32
andre__let me try to write in larger fonts for you :-P23:32
timsamoffHa ha.23:32
fnordiansliptimsamoff: change it in the conf file23:34
timsamofffnordianslip: Ah, ok! Thanks! :D23:36
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* andre__ switches his N900 from French to German23:38
alexatkinukdunno what caused it but google on my N900 turned to German last night for no apparent reason, still English on my PCs so very odd.23:39
alexatkinukI think I was on 3G at the time so perhaps a bug in the O2 network?23:41
timsamoffalexatkinuk: I believe you, but that seems impossible!23:41
andre__anybody speaking Spanish here who can confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6982 ?23:43
andre__my spanish is... rusty, and my argentinian flatmate not around :-P23:43
povbotBug 6982: Spanish: "Tipo de fuente cambiado" when switching input languages23:43
rlinfatiandre__, checking bug 6982.....23:48
alexatkinuk@timsamoff I believe Google just checks your IP to see where you are.  So if O2 is routing oddly it could think you are in the wrong country.23:48
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timsamoffPossibly.23:49
alexatkinukhang on, switching to n90023:50
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alexatkinuk(no idea how that works)23:50
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* jukey_ has to go now23:52
timsamoffbye!23:52
rlinfatiandre__, repro bug 6982.... now testing wiith es_MX ( LatinAmerican Spanish )23:52
jukey_cu next time here in the bug hall :)23:53
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rlinfatiandre__,  with es_MX work fine.... ( Idioma de Entrada Cambiado )23:55
andre__rlinfati, uh, interesting. can you add that to the report, plus the software version you use? thanks!23:57
rlinfatiok.. doing...23:57
timsamoffSo, andre__, I have a beer, but it's on my own dime. Shouldn't it have been provided?23:57
timsamoff:p23:58
netvandalhi all, some free time now... what you are testing? if you are testing? :)23:58
andre__timsamoff, yeah, next time I'll be more organized, and also choose a day without netsplits :)23:58
andre__netvandal, basically taking a look at bugs at https://bugs.maemo.org/ . no direct "program" or something :)23:58
andre__there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Potential_Tasks though23:58
andre__oops. http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Tasks is the correct URL23:59
andre__netvandal, so, if you want to triage a bit, you're welcome (and ask any questions here) :)23:59
netvandalandre__, i go to read that23:59

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