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| Tuju | quite quiet here these days. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, all the joy is either in #harmattan, #tizen, or #mer | 10:30 |
| Tuju | ah, rich set of brands :) | 10:31 |
| Tuju | i'm interested in meego-ivi | 10:31 |
| Tuju | its channels is even more dead. | 10:31 |
| Tuju | channel | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. tizen ivi also exists | 10:31 |
| thiago | does tizen ivi have channels? Or is it #tizen? | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | i think mailing list (tizen-ivi) is saner for most inquiries | 10:34 |
| * thiago wonders about packaging issues | 10:35 | |
| thiago | I've been trying to build the Qt 5 beta package for Tizen, but I keep running into them | 10:35 |
| Tuju | is meego brand still owned by nokia? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | it was never | 10:35 |
| Tuju | ah | 10:36 |
| Tuju | why that didn't survive then? | 10:36 |
| Tuju | or are the others forks then? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | linux foundation owns it | 10:36 |
| Tuju | why everything is so scattered then? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, check out wikipedia page for meego | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | and that gives a good explanation | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: well, it should be fairly similar to challenges met in #mer, so you're always welcome to ask there even if it's tizen. we have a 'modular-qt-specs' project at gitorious.org/modular-qt-specwork/modular-qt-specs and i'm in-progress of upgrading that stuff to beta1 | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: mer and tizen rpm configs are fairly similar anyway :P | 10:38 |
| thiago | well, I don't think it's about the .spec file I've written | 10:38 |
| thiago | my latest error was: | 10:38 |
| thiago | [ 0s] nothing provides libdrm_radeon.so.1 needed by mesa-libgbm | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | that looks a bit suspicious, perhaps all repositories aren't being added to your build process? | 10:39 |
| Tuju | so tizen was this html5 thingy, not c++ and Qt | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: well, tizen ivi is a bit .. more open in that regard | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | so there's clutter, qt, html5.. etc | 10:39 |
| Tuju | what was wrong with the original pure Qt approach? | 10:40 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: tbh, I think there's something wrong with my "build" tool | 10:40 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: it's not resolving dependencies properly | 10:40 |
| Tuju | thiago: is it using obs? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yeah, hence me thinking there's some bad repo stuff involved | 10:41 |
| Tuju | "Tizen's software development kit is published by Samsung under a restrictive proprietary license[2] " | 10:41 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: probably some bad repo involved | 10:42 |
| Tuju | maybe i don't join into efforts to dig sand under my own foundations. :) | 10:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: except I can't find out what the right repos are | 10:42 |
| thiago | Tuju: there's a front-end wrapper to OBS called GBS | 10:42 |
| Tuju | ack | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: if you have the ability to make it use obs dependency solving , that may make your life easier | 10:43 |
| Tuju | i'm more familar with koji so that's all new to me. | 10:43 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: those packages are from the BuildRequires. I assume that the tool will figure out dependencies. | 10:43 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: that means it's complaining because there is a dependency missing | 10:44 |
| Tuju | is there any ivi activity in Mer? | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Tuju: well, there's people doing ivi solutions on top but it's mostly company projects | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | while meego ivi / tizen ivi is more in genivi | 10:45 |
| Tuju | what's genivi? | 10:45 |
| * Tuju damn these acronyms... | 10:45 | |
| Stskeeps | thiago: i kind of suspect build isn't that well tested with multiple repos, perhaps raise it with sriham or what was his name | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | as he did the gbs docs | 10:46 |
| * thiago turns off the common repo | 10:47 | |
| thiago | let's try IVI only | 10:47 |
| thiago | Tuju: GENIVI is a consortium of companies. Check the wikipedia page. | 10:47 |
| Tuju | thiago: ack, got it. | 10:48 |
| Tuju | looks like after meego breakup things turned quite a bit more closed again. | 10:49 |
| thiago | hmm... it's downloading stuff now | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | Tuju: well, it depends on what angle you see.. some things are better in tizen than it was in meego when it comes to vendor ability to rebuild/modify the stack or user submissions, some things are more open in mer, but scope is smaller.. | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | there's no black and white view on it :) | 10:52 |
| Tuju | http://www.genivi.org/why-become-genivi-member "The GENIVI Linux-based open-source IVI platform has been broadly and rapidly adopted..." + "...membership provides...1. Full access and insight into all work...4. Networking through the vast alliance membership community..." | 10:52 |
| Tuju | they're mocking the whole opensource movement imo. making a joke about it. | 10:52 |
| thiago | it's a closed development of open source components | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that was always GENIVI | 10:53 |
| Tuju | Genivi is opensource and if you JOIN, you get access and new friends. Otherwise you don't - because opensource. | 10:53 |
| thiago | just like Google pioneered with Android | 10:53 |
| thiago | if you're friends with Google, you get to see the code before it's released. And Google might listen to your input (or not). | 10:54 |
| thiago | otherwise, you get it when it's released to everyone else. | 10:54 |
| Tuju | thiago: and that's why it's not part of OSS movement per se, even they might literally follow the licenses. not the spirit. | 10:54 |
| thiago | Tuju: Open Source these days needs to be qualified | 10:55 |
| thiago | the source is open, so it is open source | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | compared to how IVI was done before, genivi is a step up | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | not the most open governance, .. but at least they share effort | 10:55 |
| thiago | right | 10:55 |
| thiago | the next step is Open Governance | 10:55 |
| Tuju | well, i'm not going to join their efforts anyway. | 10:56 |
| Tuju | might not be a big loss thou. | 10:56 |
| Tuju | thiago: what makes you think that there is the next step? | 10:57 |
| Tuju | they're just riding with the opensource hype and keep doing as long as it's possible. | 10:57 |
| thiago | Tuju: I was talking about the qualifications | 10:57 |
| thiago | Open Source is just the licensing, these days | 10:58 |
| thiago | the level above that is Open Governance | 10:58 |
| Tuju | "these days" means that these new players *changed* that interpretation of old thing. I'm not among them :) | 10:59 |
| Tuju | they changed that because that's how they can ride with opensource and take full benefit from it. | 10:59 |
| Tuju | and i don't blame them, everybody does it. | 11:00 |
| thiago | well... we changed it back then | 11:00 |
| thiago | Open Source never required anyone to accept input from anyone else or to develop in the public | 11:00 |
| thiago | it's just the way that Open Source Project have done it | 11:01 |
| Tuju | it became a success just becuase that's how it was. | 11:01 |
| Tuju | in sane world with sane people, everything doesn't have to be written down into legal paper. | 11:02 |
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| odin_ | in the world of corporate entities that have rights as people, commanded by deindividualized shareholders driven via group think, err yes you do. | 11:13 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: where can I get a copy of your qtbase.spec? | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: work in progress and i'm cleaning it up, but make an account on https://build.ci.merproject.org (no email auth needed) and go to https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/files?package=qtbase&project=home%3Astskeeps%3Aqt5-wayland | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | only one patch in practice, 0001-Always-use-QPA-for-systrayicon.patch, to remove a libX11 dep | 12:47 |
| thiago | upstreamed? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | i don't recall at this point, it comes from a quick hack | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | w00t might know | 12:48 |
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| anthony_dev | guys, how I can compile my C code for meego? and which libs I can use in my projects? any useful links please ?:) | 19:22 |
| iekku | wiki.meego.com ? | 19:23 |
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| anthony_dev | isnt it mostly about qt ? uh, I thought it will be something little faq about gcc and meego (actually I need all those things for n9 nokia ) | 19:33 |
| anthony_dev | anyway, /me reading wiki t_t | 19:33 |
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| jonni | anthony_dev: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html | 19:45 |
| jonni | anthony_dev: that installs scratchbox with N9 gcc toolchain. | 19:46 |
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| anthony_dev | jonni: thanks :D | 19:59 |
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| Tuju | i planned to compile that ivi part for my car... | 20:02 |
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