IRC log of #meego for Wednesday, 2012-09-05

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spencerwhats up06:54
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spencerhey08:43
spencerwhere can i get free webhosting08:43
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Tujuquite quiet here these days.10:29
Stskeepswell, all the joy is either in #harmattan, #tizen, or #mer10:30
Tujuah, rich set of brands :)10:31
Tujui'm interested in meego-ivi10:31
Tujuits channels is even more dead.10:31
Tujuchannel10:31
Stskeepsyeah.. tizen ivi also exists10:31
thiagodoes tizen ivi have channels? Or is it #tizen?10:34
Stskeepsthat's a good question10:34
Stskeepsi think mailing list (tizen-ivi) is saner for most inquiries10:34
* thiago wonders about packaging issues10:35
thiagoI've been trying to build the Qt 5 beta package for Tizen, but I keep running into them10:35
Tujuis meego brand still owned by nokia?10:35
Stskeepsit was never10:35
Tujuah10:36
Tujuwhy that didn't survive then?10:36
Tujuor are the others forks then?10:36
Stskeepslinux foundation owns it10:36
Tujuwhy everything is so scattered then?10:36
Stskeepswell, check out wikipedia page for meego10:36
Stskeepsand that gives a good explanation10:36
Stskeepsthiago: well, it should be fairly similar to challenges met in #mer, so you're always welcome to ask there even if it's tizen. we have a 'modular-qt-specs' project at gitorious.org/modular-qt-specwork/modular-qt-specs and i'm in-progress of upgrading that stuff to beta110:37
Stskeepsthiago: mer and tizen rpm configs are fairly similar anyway :P10:38
thiagowell, I don't think it's about the .spec file I've written10:38
thiagomy latest error was:10:38
thiago[    0s]   nothing provides libdrm_radeon.so.1 needed by mesa-libgbm10:38
Stskeepshmm10:38
Stskeepsthat looks a bit suspicious, perhaps all repositories aren't being added to your build process?10:39
Tujuso tizen was this html5 thingy, not c++ and Qt10:39
Stskeepsthiago: well, tizen ivi is a bit .. more open in that regard10:39
Stskeepsso there's clutter, qt, html5.. etc10:39
Tujuwhat was wrong with the original pure Qt approach?10:40
thiagoStskeeps: tbh, I think there's something wrong with my "build" tool10:40
thiagoStskeeps: it's not resolving dependencies properly10:40
Tujuthiago: is it using obs?10:40
Stskeepsthiago: yeah, hence me thinking there's some bad repo stuff involved10:41
Tuju"Tizen's software development kit is published by Samsung under a restrictive proprietary license[2] "10:41
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thiagoStskeeps: probably some bad repo involved10:42
Tujumaybe i don't join into efforts to dig sand under my own foundations. :)10:42
thiagoStskeeps: except I can't find out what the right repos are10:42
thiagoTuju: there's a front-end wrapper to OBS called GBS10:42
Tujuack10:43
Stskeepsthiago: if you have the ability to make it use obs dependency solving , that may make your life easier10:43
Tujui'm more familar with koji so that's all new to me.10:43
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thiagoStskeeps: those packages are from the BuildRequires. I assume that the tool will figure out dependencies.10:43
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thiagoStskeeps: that means it's complaining because there is a dependency missing10:44
Tujuis there any ivi activity in Mer?10:44
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StskeepsTuju: well, there's people doing ivi solutions on top but it's mostly company projects10:45
Stskeepswhile meego ivi / tizen ivi is more in genivi10:45
Tujuwhat's genivi?10:45
* Tuju damn these acronyms...10:45
Stskeepsthiago: i kind of suspect build isn't that well tested with multiple repos, perhaps raise it with sriham or what was his name10:46
Stskeepsas he did the gbs docs10:46
* thiago turns off the common repo10:47
thiagolet's try IVI only10:47
thiagoTuju: GENIVI is a consortium of companies. Check the wikipedia page.10:47
Tujuthiago: ack, got it.10:48
Tujulooks like after meego breakup things turned quite a bit more closed again.10:49
thiagohmm... it's downloading stuff now10:50
StskeepsTuju: well, it depends on what angle you see.. some things are better in tizen than it was in meego when it comes to vendor ability to rebuild/modify the stack or user submissions, some things are more open in mer, but scope is smaller..10:51
Stskeepsthere's no black and white view on it :)10:52
Tujuhttp://www.genivi.org/why-become-genivi-member   "The GENIVI Linux-based open-source IVI platform has been broadly and rapidly adopted..."  + "...membership provides...1. Full access and insight into all work...4. Networking through the vast alliance membership community..."10:52
Tujuthey're mocking the whole opensource movement imo. making a joke about it.10:52
thiagoit's a closed development of open source components10:53
Stskeepsnah, that was always GENIVI10:53
TujuGenivi is opensource and if you JOIN, you get access and new friends. Otherwise you don't - because opensource.10:53
thiagojust like Google pioneered with Android10:53
thiagoif you're friends with Google, you get to see the code before it's released. And Google might listen to your input (or not).10:54
thiagootherwise, you get it when it's released to everyone else.10:54
Tujuthiago: and that's why it's not part of OSS movement per se, even they might literally follow the licenses. not the spirit.10:54
thiagoTuju: Open Source these days needs to be qualified10:55
thiagothe source is open, so it is open source10:55
Stskeepscompared to how IVI was done before, genivi is a step up10:55
Stskeepsnot the most open governance, .. but at least they share effort10:55
thiagoright10:55
thiagothe next step is Open Governance10:55
Tujuwell, i'm not going to join their efforts anyway.10:56
Tujumight not be a big loss thou.10:56
Tujuthiago: what makes you think that there is the next step?10:57
Tujuthey're just riding with the opensource hype and keep doing as long as it's possible.10:57
thiagoTuju: I was talking about the qualifications10:57
thiagoOpen Source is just the licensing, these days10:58
thiagothe level above that is Open Governance10:58
Tuju"these days" means that these new players *changed* that interpretation of old thing. I'm not among them :)10:59
Tujuthey changed that because that's how they can ride with opensource and take full benefit from it.10:59
Tujuand i don't blame them, everybody does it.11:00
thiagowell... we changed it back then11:00
thiagoOpen Source never required anyone to accept input from anyone else or to develop in the public11:00
thiagoit's just the way that Open Source Project have done it11:01
Tujuit became a success just becuase that's how it was.11:01
Tujuin sane world with sane people, everything doesn't have to be written down into legal paper.11:02
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odin_in the world of corporate entities that have rights as people, commanded by deindividualized shareholders driven via group think, err yes you do.11:13
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thiagoStskeeps: where can I get a copy of your qtbase.spec?12:44
Stskeepsthiago: work in progress and i'm cleaning it up, but make an account on https://build.ci.merproject.org (no email auth needed)  and go to https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/files?package=qtbase&project=home%3Astskeeps%3Aqt5-wayland12:46
Stskeepsonly one patch in practice, 0001-Always-use-QPA-for-systrayicon.patch, to remove a libX11 dep12:47
thiagoupstreamed?12:47
Stskeepsi don't recall at this point, it comes from a quick hack12:48
Stskeepsw00t might know12:48
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anthony_devguys, how I can compile my C code for meego? and which libs I can use in my projects?  any useful links please ?:)19:22
iekkuwiki.meego.com ?19:23
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anthony_devisnt it mostly about qt ? uh, I thought it will be something little faq about gcc and meego (actually I need all those things for n9 nokia )19:33
anthony_devanyway, /me reading wiki t_t19:33
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jonnianthony_dev: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html19:45
jonnianthony_dev: that installs scratchbox with N9 gcc toolchain.19:46
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anthony_devjonni: thanks :D19:59
Tujuhow meego git repos are organized?20:02
Tujui planned to compile that ivi part for my car...20:02
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