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| iluminator101 | has anyone been able install meego in hp touchpad | 07:18 |
| wmarone_ | don't know if anyone's cared to try, no graphics drivers would make it terribly slow | 07:23 |
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| iluminator101 | wmarone_, are you refering to hp touchpad | 07:39 |
| wmarone_ | yes | 07:40 |
| iluminator101 | what tablet can i purchase that i put native meego on to it | 07:40 |
| wmarone_ | most x86 tablets | 07:40 |
| wmarone_ | if you're adventurous, talk to the people working with Tegra 2 based tablets | 07:41 |
| iluminator101 | hmm... let me rephrase what chip is supported for meego or debian armel | 07:42 |
| wmarone_ | the issue isn't the SoC | 07:43 |
| wmarone_ | it's the device | 07:43 |
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| wmarone_ | hmm | 07:44 |
| iluminator101 | asus had meego netbook does that meego their tablet can easily run meego too | 07:44 |
| wmarone_ | no | 07:44 |
| wmarone_ | the netbook is x86, their tablets are ARM | 07:44 |
| wmarone_ | now | 07:44 |
| iluminator101 | ah so as soon as windows for arm comes out this changes the game | 07:45 |
| wmarone_ | no | 07:45 |
| iekku | morning | 07:45 |
| wmarone_ | if anything it could make it harder, as you might never have an existing linux kernel for some devices | 07:45 |
| iluminator101 | cant windows driver easily be ported b/z its on arm | 07:46 |
| wmarone_ | windows drivers are of no use to Linux | 07:46 |
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| iluminator101 | wmarone_, i know but that definitely make reverse engineering a lot easier | 07:47 |
| wmarone_ | not as easy as having an actual linux kernel | 07:47 |
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| iluminator101 | which arm tablet can easily be hacked to run meego | 07:48 |
| wmarone_ | don't know of any, really | 07:49 |
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| wmarone_ | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 07:49 |
| wmarone_ | there's some progress | 07:49 |
| wmarone_ | but meego isn't like cyanogenmod | 07:50 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | iluminator101: the archos tablets are also fairly easy and open | 07:59 |
| iluminator101 | Asus Eee Pad Slider looks hackable in my view | 08:02 |
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| iluminator101 | wmarone_, what the issues gpu drivers? | 08:04 |
| wmarone_ | there aren't any compatible with meego available for the cpu in the touchpad | 08:04 |
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| dm8tbr | touchpad was OMAP4? there is only soft-float SGX, so Mer would be an option | 08:06 |
| wmarone_ | touchpad was a qualcomm chipset iirc | 08:07 |
| wmarone_ | playbook is omap4 | 08:07 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 08:07 |
| wmarone_ | yeah the touchpad is a dual-core snapdragon | 08:07 |
| dm8tbr | something with an open OMAP3/4 or Tegra2 would be a wiser choice for hacking | 08:08 |
| * dm8tbr is biased towards archos as they have been forthcoming, supportive and open for hacking | 08:09 | |
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| jonwil | Is the Samsung Galaxy Tab a viable contender in this discussion? | 08:16 |
| dm8tbr | dunno, which soc? exynos? tegra2? | 08:18 |
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| jonwil | no idea | 08:20 |
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| dm8tbr | jonwil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Hummingbird - so SGX, but custom samsung, so probably hard to get x11 drivers | 08:24 |
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| iluminator101 | thosiba thrive would probably work | 08:32 |
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| jonwil | anyone heard of a mobile operator called "3"? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, quite pervasive in scandinavian countries | 08:55 |
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| iluminator101 | later guys bbl | 09:02 |
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| raster | Stskeeps: also se asian and aus | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | raster: yeah, i wasn't sure where else it was | 09:09 |
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| cityLights | is anyone here in munich now? | 10:28 |
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| djszapi | Hi! rpm -i flash-plugin-11.0.1.152-release.i386.rpm package flash-plugin-11.0.1.152-release.i386 is already installed | 10:59 |
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| djszapi | Have I done something wrong ? I cannot still play flash dependent content in my browser :( | 10:59 |
| djszapi | do I need to do something else yet ? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | what browser? | 10:59 |
| djszapi | plasma active browser | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps the webkit browser isn't set up to utilize the npapi ones | 11:00 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: is it possible to get the audio working on the exopc with the meego image ? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: no idea, sorry | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | djszapi: perhaps alsamixer | 12:03 |
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| arfoll | djszapi: yes. make sure output is not muted | 12:08 |
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| djszapi | arfoll: not muted | 12:13 |
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| arfoll | djszapi: have you tried to get the hdmi working? because if so theres a script that makes normal sound stop | 12:46 |
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| anab1s | can any body answer this question: what is the future of meego? | 13:31 |
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| wook | Hello | 14:52 |
| wook | Nobody here? :-O :| | 14:55 |
| hiemanshu | Hey | 14:56 |
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| wook | I wanted to ask about languages and ides and sdks that can be used on meego | 14:57 |
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| wook | Can i use pure c++ or assembler? what about python and perl... | 14:58 |
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| wook | hmmm, nobody ready to assist? :-O | 15:06 |
| wook | Wow | 15:06 |
| iekku | wook, have you tried meego wiki already? | 15:07 |
| wook | I did and i all i got is qtSDK :S | 15:08 |
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| decibyte | wook, what exactly do you want to do? | 15:12 |
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| wook | I am getting my MeeGo device in 3 days, i want to be ready for it :D just doing some informations research :) | 15:13 |
| decibyte | wook: okay. how would you prefer to code for it? | 15:14 |
| matrixx | wook: which device are you gettting? :) | 15:15 |
| matrixx | -t :S | 15:15 |
| wook | Well, i would like to code in machine language, the most. And i would like to avoid qt :D | 15:15 |
| wook | Matrixx :) same as you ;) | 15:16 |
| matrixx | nice ;) | 15:16 |
| wook | Thanx :) | 15:16 |
| decibyte | why do you want to avoid qt? | 15:17 |
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| wook | Because i never tried qt :D and it looks to me like tooo much of macros and procedures in debugger that will not belong to me... (right?) | 15:18 |
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| decibyte | wook, oh! and you certainly don't want to learn new things? imho it seems weird not to use qt when it's the ui framwork of meego. | 15:22 |
| wook | I can do hernel things and dlls with qt? | 15:23 |
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| decibyte | i have no idea. what are you planning to create? | 15:23 |
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| wook | First i want to create better "home screen" | 15:24 |
| wook | With shortcuts and everything | 15:25 |
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| wook | Then i want to write some music player, i've heard that default one is not best...though | 15:25 |
| veskuh | For those you will definitely need to use Qt at some point. | 15:26 |
| wook | Aha, python is slow for that, ok :D | 15:27 |
| decibyte | slow for what? | 15:28 |
| wook | Slow - as python is usually bit slow... | 15:28 |
| decibyte | as far as i know it's fine for simple apps | 15:30 |
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| decibyte | at least i'm planning to use python for my projects. i think others are using it too. | 15:30 |
| wook | Aha, well, i usually don't do simple apps :S for my own purpouse... | 15:31 |
| wook | Well, is there some ide for python? :) what's ctypes support...? | 15:32 |
| matrixx | my recommendation would be also to learn Qt :) | 15:32 |
| veskuh | For accessing native api's from python you will need http://www.pyside.org/ | 15:34 |
| wook | Yea, i'll try to give some time to it...:D | 15:34 |
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| decibyte | this may be useful too if you're into python: http://wiki.meego.com/Python/Harmattan | 15:35 |
| wook | Qt sdk contains qt creator and api docs? (i forgot my sdk at office :S) | 15:35 |
| wook | I like this :D | 15:37 |
| wook | Anyone tried kde? :D | 15:37 |
| wook | I like fact that ovi finally supports python apps... | 15:38 |
| wook | I did some python coding on s60, but, nokia gave up on pys60 before 5th edition of symbian devices...now its useless... | 15:39 |
| iekku | wook, missed your reply, what device is in question | 15:39 |
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| wook | Iekku, my company getting n950, but i will get n9 my self :D | 15:41 |
| iekku | wook, ok | 15:41 |
| wook | Or will try to go for n950 :D | 15:41 |
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| wook | If still can be get | 15:41 |
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| iekku | wook, i think they are hard to get | 15:42 |
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| iekku | wook, not on sale | 15:42 |
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| iekku | wook, maybe you find some helping info from here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 | 15:42 |
| decibyte | isn't n950 just something you "borrow" from nokia if they think you're worth it? | 15:43 |
| wook | I know they are not on sale and only for developers | 15:43 |
| wook | Yes, it is | 15:43 |
| wook | Wow, guys, you are really really helpfull | 15:44 |
| iekku | wook, nemo (used to be ce) has also n9 as a target | 15:44 |
| iekku | wook, #meego-arm would be good channel to join | 15:45 |
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| iekku | wook, and if you want to develop for meego harmattan, then #harmattan is good channel | 15:46 |
| wook | Thanx guys, really really apperciate your help :) | 15:46 |
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| wook | So, #harmatan and #meego-arm will be my info channels :D | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | 4 years ago I talked to my lecturer and he told me about clusters and stuff and let me have a login on the cluster | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | now I'm an admin on it :D | 15:47 |
| iekku | CosmoHill, :D | 15:47 |
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| CosmoHill | for some reason we can't sync the users or get their directories to mount on the compute nodes so we're doing it by hand | 15:48 |
| wook | Btw, guys, does "menu" and "homescreen" not work in landscape mode? | 15:48 |
| decibyte | i think that's the kind of questions belonging in #harmattan :) | 15:49 |
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| wook | :D ok :P | 15:50 |
| wook | Thanx guys, you really helped, i am going to annoy harmattanians now :D | 15:50 |
| decibyte | wook, remember, it 2 t's in harmattan | 15:51 |
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| wook | 2 t's? how do you mean? :D | 15:51 |
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| decibyte | harmattan, not harmatan. you misspelled it at 14:45 | 15:52 |
| wook | Aaah :D | 15:52 |
| wook | Yea :D | 15:52 |
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| wook | See you around, friends, thanx for all help :) | 15:53 |
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| berndhs | fortunately I am very mobile for my age and can escape people jumping on me | 16:37 |
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| wook | :D | 16:38 |
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| iekku | berndhs, :D | 16:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hi thiago | 16:51 |
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| CosmoHill | do you guys remember a year or so ago when my server got hacked? | 16:57 |
| CosmoHill | I found "apache ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" in the sudo file today :/ | 16:58 |
| berndhs | that's not good | 16:58 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: eek | 16:59 |
| CosmoHill | we removed whatever program they put into my /tmp | 17:00 |
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| hiemanshu | best way to clean /tmp, cat /dev/urandom /tmp/asdas.xkcfg | 17:01 |
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| hiemanshu | best way to clean /tmp, cat /dev/urandom > /tmp/asdas.xkcfg | 17:01 |
| hiemanshu | it will auto clean up for you | 17:01 |
| CosmoHill | it's a good thing you can't login as the apache user and that the ssh port isn't default | 17:01 |
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| hiemanshu | changing SSH port to something over 2000 disabled most attacks | 17:02 |
| hiemanshu | disables* | 17:02 |
| Myrtti | fail2ban | 17:02 |
| CosmoHill | the server has been rebooted a few times since I was hacked, I use a non default ssh port and fail2ban is installed :) | 17:03 |
| Myrtti | on the paranoid side, enable key-only logins | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fail2ban? | 18:36 |
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| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: it's a service that monitors different server logs to determine if there is, for example, brute force attack going on, and blocks ip addresses as needed for some time | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds useful | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | binary? daemon? or some plugin or whatever? | 18:46 |
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| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: python daemon | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moved my port 22 far away to nnnnn and never seen any brute force attacks. But pop3 etc gets tackled all the time | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>saslauthd[2365]: pam_unix(pop:auth): check pass; user unknown<< :-/ | 18:55 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone here using N950 or N9 on T-mobile's HSPA+? I'm sorely tempted to pop for one, but was curious to hear if network performance of both is similar. Looks like new units can be had for about $300 in aftermarket. | 19:22 |
| blauzahl | HSPA+? | 19:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | HSPA+ is fast 3G: 10's of MB up and down often here in the Bay Area, and relatively cheap. | 19:51 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Alison_Chaiken: I am using N950 on T-Mobile's 3.5G just fine. | 20:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Me oo (in he UK) | 20:25 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks, TSCHAKeee. I think I'll pick one up: would still prefer the HW keyboard. | 20:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | I haven't needed it | 20:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | seriously. | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | i am actually mostly using the OSK, it is really nice | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for the huge part of screen it covers | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you don't really want to use it in semi-blind 2-thumbs typing mode | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | that's true, but it also cures irc addiction | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:45 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: until you install the hqh terminal ;) | 20:46 |
| * TSCHAKeee is still trying to get a 64GB model from expansys | 20:46 | |
| TSCHAKeee | "still not in stock" | 20:46 |
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| dm8tbr | http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ this thing is really cool | 20:47 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh YUCK | 20:50 |
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| TSCHAKeee | seriously | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | terrible UI design | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | ghosted keyboards never work well, because you CAN'T READ WHAT IS UNDERNEATH. | 20:50 |
| TSCHAKeee | but also, the non staggered keys make finding keystrokes slower. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: oh my, in former times we called that literki | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-16.log.html#t2011-10-16T18:30:29 | 20:57 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and that's even worse | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | worse in what sense? | 20:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | you're drawing shapes on what seems to be the same depth. | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me | 21:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | it takes your brain longer to untangle the shapes. | 21:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 21:00 |
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| TSCHAKeee | go study some cognitive psychology. | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | go study conversation | 21:00 |
| berndhs | I haven't tried this type of translucent vkbd, but I find the normal fully obscuring one really bad | 21:00 |
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| berndhs | especially in cases, like harmattan, where the application doesn't know if the vkbd is displayed or not | 21:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | with Literki, the letters are different colours in that case, but there is nothing to differentiate them from what is the page, and what is the keyboard | 21:01 |
| berndhs | so it is really tricky for the application to adjust to the presence/absence of the vkbd | 21:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | when you first look at something, your brain immediately starts to try and discern shapes | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | literki has a gesture to pop up / hide the vkbd, and a button to cycle colors | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh. | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | and again | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | MISSING THE FUCKING POINT. | 21:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | at least, with the first example, there is an attempt to try and make the letters and the key shapes somewhat orthogonal to the text below | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 21:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee | however, this is nullified by the fact that your brain can't separate the depth of the keyboard with the text below | 21:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | it all looks like its smashed together on the same pane of glass | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm more interested in the text below though, than in the writing on "keycaps" which are mostly landmarks for me and could as well be small dots for 95% of keys I have to "find" | 21:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | SO..YOUR BRAIN..HAS TO FOCUS BETWEEN THE KEYS AND THE TEXT BELOW | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I' not at all interested in how it "looks" | 21:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | this is a subconscious process | 21:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | manifesting in delays in cognition. | 21:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | but whatever, I am speaking to people with zero aesthetic and design sense. | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for educating me about my subconcious processes and why I actually shouldn't like what I like | 21:05 |
| berndhs | i find keyboards that obscure the application ugly :) | 21:05 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and people wonder why open source apps look like shit... | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and again thanks for your atestation about my aesthetic sense, I just told you it has nothing to do with this case, for me at least | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be utterly explicit: I give a fuck how it looks, I want it to be *useable* | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and - though I usually hate this argument - this time it fits: you don't have to use it | 21:08 |
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| CosmoHill | spent 18 mins or something on that road | 21:22 |
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| berndhs | i spent 48 hours getting from DC to Pittsburgh one year | 21:24 |
| berndhs | by airplane | 21:24 |
| berndhs | and I wan't trying to go to Pittsburgh, i was going to San Diego | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | my parents made it from scotland to home in 12 / 14 hours | 21:26 |
| berndhs | wait until the start checking people on the road for security | 21:28 |
| berndhs | arrive at your car 2 hours before scheduled departure please | 21:28 |
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| jedix | crap | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 23:10 |
| jedix | I fixed one package which triggered 86 to build | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | is this something libEGL related? | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 23:10 |
| jedix | nope, I fixed it! | 23:10 |
| * jedix shines his new and bigger hammer | 23:10 | |
| jedix | this was gst-streamer-base & video4linux.so no longer being compiled due to the change to 3.0.0 kernel | 23:11 |
| jedix | the only thing that doesn't build now is rdsd | 23:12 |
| jedix | which is screwed due to the kernel cahnges afaik | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | so you upgraded kernel headers to 3.0.0? | 23:12 |
| jedix | yeah | 23:12 |
| jedix | as if I had a choice :/ | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good to know those will screw up :P | 23:13 |
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| jedix | yeah, I dunno what to do about the rdsd stuff | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | probably a redefine error | 23:16 |
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| jedix | actually the videodev.h header has been removed | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | also good | 23:17 |
| jedix | who needs that? | 23:17 |
| jedix | no one! | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, v4l support got dropped for v4lv2 | 23:18 |
| jedix | yeah, so I need libv4l-devel I think | 23:18 |
| jedix | ..or something | 23:19 |
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| jedix | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg27531.html | 23:22 |
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| CosmoHill | brb, rebooting router | 23:42 |
| ulf^ | CosmoHill, see you tomorrow ;) | 23:42 |
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| jedix | Stskeeps: so I pulled in a new libv4l, have to wait to see how it goes. | 23:51 |
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