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| CosmoHill | how many of you passed your driving test first time? | 00:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | not I | 00:38 |
| psycho_oreos | did you? :) | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | I did :) | 00:39 |
| psycho_oreos | stick shift or automatic? | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | but I had a decent amount of exp behind me as I drove with my dad for a few months | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | manual | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | in the UK if you take your test in an automatic you're not allowed to drive manuals | 00:40 |
| psycho_oreos | well there you go you lucky bastard ;) I had little to no experience with manuals | 00:40 |
| psycho_oreos | its the same rule here in Australia as well | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly our town is a bit hard to do so the students who aren't so good do it in the next town cos it's easier | 00:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | even on your license card it has a letter printed on it noting which transmission you're allowed to drive with, S for synchromesh, A for automatic and nothing noted for manual | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | it should say on ours | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | it might be B for car and B1 for automatics only | 00:42 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah its a little similar here except suburbs, and also if you fail the practical driving test you cannot retake the same practical driving test from another suburb/area the same day as you failed | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | my friend failed first time and resat within a week or two | 00:42 |
| psycho_oreos | C here is for car, so you get CA and CS for transmission restrictions and just C for manual | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | I have mine proposed by the test centre 6 weeks :( | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's A for bike, B for Car, C for lorry, D for bus | 00:43 |
| psycho_oreos | at least you have had experience beforehand lol | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | + E for trailer, eg B + E is car + trailer | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | I've had my license almost 4 years but probably have been driving for 5 years | 00:45 |
| psycho_oreos | over here its even more confusing and specific | 00:45 |
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| CosmoHill | C1+E is lorries over 3500kg and under 7500kg with trailers over 750kg but less than the weight of the lorry | 00:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/licence_classes.html <--- here is just a sample scope of how confusing it is, the motorbike class is restricted to mopeds and non-mopeds, then there's UC which is specially designed vehicles, those aren't noted | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | is that confusing and specific enough for you? :p | 00:48 |
| psycho_oreos | I still think the licensing is even more confusing here :D | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | we have 3 motorbike licenses which you must take in order | 00:49 |
| psycho_oreos | same here | 00:49 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_4022547 | 00:50 |
| psycho_oreos | and licenses for 3 times applies right across the board. So say for example you want to get licensing for car you have to do it 3 times | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | aparantly we have more than 3... | 00:50 |
| psycho_oreos | heh yours is more condensed and all in one page, over here its all over the shop. Like where I reside (in Qld) the department of transport isn't as well organised in terms of site and licensing details as NSW | 00:52 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/200707_restrictions.html | 00:52 |
| CosmoHill | somewhere on that page it says I'm allowed to drive up to 16 passagers as long as I don't get paid for it | 00:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | you start with written test to get L (for learners), then you do practical after some time to get P1 (red P) for provisional. You must hold that for certain amount of time depending on your age from when you first applied for licensing then you get a test to go to P2. From P2 you must hold it yet again for sometime before you get automatically upgraded to O (for Open) | 00:54 |
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| CosmoHill | you have to be 17 to drive on the road and it is possible to take and pass your pratical test on your 17th birthday | 00:55 |
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| CosmoHill | you have a theory test and hazzard perception which you must pass before you can book your driving pratical test and the test must be within 2 years | 00:55 |
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| CosmoHill | also the test changed from 35 to 50 questions between the time I took my theory and pratical tests :) | 00:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not too familiar with age restrictions here with licensing but I'm sure 17 is the minimum here as well | 00:56 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I can't remember how many questions were there for written test but I do remember it was a multiple choice question (at least in Queensland) | 00:56 |
| psycho_oreos | L, P1, and P2 all needs relevant tags stuck on the device in a visible location, P1 is red P, and P2 is green P | 00:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/device/vehicle/ ... lol I'm confusing the terms all over | 00:57 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/almeragx.jpg | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | my car with learner plates on | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | tbh I was hoping more people would join in this discussion | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | wow I've been driving that car for four and a half years :o | 01:00 |
| psycho_oreos | haha that is the exact same sort of design as for P1 and P2 over here, except we don't use L, we use P, L is yellow background with black letter. all three license class (L, P1, P2) requires that sort of plate/sticker on both the front and rear side of the vehicle | 01:01 |
| CosmoHill | You can get a green P once you've passed your test but I was told that they are a bad idea | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | imagine someone playing battlefeild two with NEWBIE floating over their head | 01:02 |
| psycho_oreos | http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/12/27/1225813/991183-learner.jpg <-- here's one picture of Learner sticker on a car | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | that's a big ford | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | god we learn in tiny little cars with tiny little engines | 01:03 |
| psycho_oreos | I think its generally a bad idea to have any sort of plate/sticker stuck on your vehicle, regardless if its L, P1, P2, it tells Open drivers to avoid you | 01:03 |
| CosmoHill | you're not allowed to drive on your own as a learner | 01:04 |
| psycho_oreos | that's actually a Holden :) VY/VZ variant to be even more specific | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | I learnt to drive in a 1L nissan micra | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | and my current 1.4L nissan almera | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | my insurance atm is $1,000 AUD | 01:05 |
| psycho_oreos | yup same here, you must drive with one person who has held their Open license for at least 2 years and/or the owner of vehicle of the car (sitting beside you) is the driving instructor | 01:05 |
| CosmoHill | here has to be over 3 years driving and over 21 years old, but doesn't have to be in the front of the car... | 01:05 |
| psycho_oreos | I learnt to drive with Hyundai Excel and Suzuki Swift, and I passed the practical driving test with Suzuki Swift | 01:06 |
| CosmoHill | my friend gave me an anxiety attack in a suzuki swift | 01:06 |
| CosmoHill | and rightfully so, he wrote it off the following day | 01:07 |
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| berndhs | i learned to drive with a motorhome | 01:07 |
| psycho_oreos | ouch, restrictive in other ways, I've also read in the site you linked me (on another page) how you guys have penalty points, very similar here to demerit points but yours is more verbose | 01:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol, those suzuki swifts are fast but not my cup of tea :) | 01:08 |
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| berndhs | the motorhome was probably harder to park than a suzuki swift | 01:09 |
| psycho_oreos | it would be at least three folds :) | 01:09 |
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| berndhs | can't see out the back | 01:09 |
| psycho_oreos | not to mention if you had to do parallel parking and if you were tested on it | 01:09 |
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| auke | a cup of tea has more structural strength than a suzuki swift | 01:10 |
| psycho_oreos | I think that's somewhat illegal here for motorhome to not have a visible view of the rear from the rearview mirror | 01:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | but a cup of tea isn't as useful as suzuki swift | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | you can't make out on the back seats of a cup of tea | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | then again you can't on a swift either cos you can't get anyone in | 01:12 |
| * CosmoHill is kidding and actually likes the current swift sport | 01:12 | |
| CosmoHill | auke: remember that you're in american and their standards of car are somewhat different | 01:12 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed | 01:12 |
| * psycho_oreos personally never liked front wheelers | 01:13 | |
| CosmoHill | a lot of cars are FW | 01:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | unfortunately that is true if you're in EU :| | 01:13 |
| CosmoHill | I am in the EU :) | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | should have mentioned that | 01:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | that's what I meant, here in AU and even in US, you get rear wheelers as well. Though its not like as if front wheelers are outlawed but they're common as heck no matter where you go, contrary to that fact its not like rear wheelers are non-existent, they do exist elsewhere in EU but not as popular/common | 01:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | I've even seen a Holden commadore (they are all rear wheelers) in UK on some Holden bulletin board | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | you can get some holdens over here branded as Vauxhalls | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | tbh if I had one of them I'd import the bits of the holden bagde on | 01:17 |
| psycho_oreos | yup, well if they were told be sold normally through the car shops and what not (brand new of course) they are branded as Vauxhalls, though you can I suppose import them. Then again fuel isn't cheap neither is running a big car over there :D | 01:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | I've also heard that Vauxhalls has a poor reputation over there in UK | 01:18 |
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| CosmoHill | yes that is why I'd import the branded bits | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | Vauxhall Corsa and Novas are for chavs | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | just imagine a 1.2l subwoofer on wheels | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | not that I've made my 1.4L sound very loud when you put your foot down >.. | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 01:20 |
| psycho_oreos | haha no different here for Holden Commadore and Ford Falcon here are typically stereotyped for bogans (similar to chavs and rednecks elsewhere) | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | could I get one of them for $4500 AUD? | 01:21 |
| psycho_oreos | and people who just hoon around with loud speakers playing the type of music you loathe out loud so that you hear their music more than the engine noise itself -_-' sad really | 01:22 |
| psycho_oreos | second hand yes | 01:22 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo | 01:22 |
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| CosmoHill | that's how much I might spend on one of these: http://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/83542237.jpg | 01:23 |
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| CosmoHill | auke and berndhs, what do you two drive? | 01:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh yeah old ford focus, I like those design, the current ones look ugly but again its still a front wheeler :) | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | the mk 2 or 3? | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | the mk2 looks okay but I only like the ST-2 really | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | the mk3 I don't like | 01:32 |
| psycho_oreos | mm not sure about the ford line :) but that design I like (the one in picture). The latter models (in fact all the latter models) I didn't like the looks | 01:33 |
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| auke | CosmoHill: nothing interesting, considering I live in the US | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | my friend likes fords and I like my friend so I know about fords | 01:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't think any of us would class our own cars as interesting but to a foreigner from another country it may be of interest :) | 01:35 |
| auke | CosmoHill: I used to drive a Fiat Panda cvt though :) | 01:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | heh I'm your opposition then, I'm more of Holden fan (technically GM|Holden) but I don't mind Ford either | 01:36 |
| auke | I commute to work in a honda civic, the kids ride with mom in a hyundai Santa Fe | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | auke: CVT gearbox? | 01:37 |
| auke | yeah, the Panda had a CVT gearbox, it was fantastic to drive | 01:37 |
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| auke | that thing was so light and had such a low gear ratio it would beat anything at the traffic light | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | auke: the new shaped civic? | 01:37 |
| auke | na, 2005 model, we've had it for a while | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | dad has a 2007 EU model | 01:38 |
| auke | it's cheap, great on gas | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/civic.jpg | 01:38 |
| auke | I can drive to work on a tank of gas for about 6 weeks | 01:38 |
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| auke | that's a newer model, they don't sell that model in the US | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | I know, the one they sell in the US is ugly | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | but I remember they sold the preivous model in the US for a year or so after we got the new model | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | apparently triangle shaped tail pipes where too much for US citizens | 01:41 |
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| auke | round doesn't do well here, somehow | 01:41 |
| auke | apparently people hate driving around in something that looks like a ball | 01:41 |
| auke | given the big SUV's and trucks on the road, I don't blame em | 01:42 |
| auke | anyway, time to commute to the home | 01:42 |
| * auke wishes everyone a good weekend | 01:42 | |
| psycho_oreos | cya | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol nasty | 01:50 |
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| arfoll_ | gandhijee: then I sugest you ask aminocom. To me that would refer to new PR builds from intel for CE4100, more than that I don't know, I haven't used anything newer than PR21 | 01:53 |
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| UberNeo | Hi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" .. | 02:58 |
| UberNeo | i knw its related to netcat .. as N900 is refusing the netcat connection "nc 192.168.2.15 500" with the same error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" | 03:00 |
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| UberNeo | anybodyy ??? | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RBlkJ4Jie84#! enjoy | 03:02 |
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| UberNeo | can anybody help me . with the flashing on Meego on N900 emmc | 03:13 |
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| CosmoHill | you know the great film "Wargames" | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | Wargames: The Dead Code shits on that | 18:53 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Fiat_Panda_100HP.jpg :) | 20:27 |
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| CosmoHill | yay mixed units | 20:56 |
| berndhs | in a Fiat Panda ? | 20:56 |
| berndhs | that's not very good | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | nah, my nissan almera driving around town | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | reasonably aggressively around town >.> | 20:57 |
| berndhs | depends on the town :) | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | I have no intake silencing on my car :) | 20:59 |
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| bara | is there a way to use jabber with the n9? | 21:29 |
| Aard | bara: mc-tool | 21:30 |
| Aard | mc-tool add gabble/jabber <display_name> string:account=user@hostname string:password=<password> string:server=hostname bool:require-encryption=1 bool:ignore-ssl-errors=1 | 21:31 |
| Aard | mc-tool enable <accountname> (first mc-tool call will give you the account name) | 21:31 |
| bara | Aard: i can add my account and see the contacts but cants start conversations | 21:31 |
| Aard | then you're probably doing something wrong, have been using it for over 2 months this way | 21:32 |
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| bara | i see basicly empty contact cards for my jabber contacts. do you hav an n950? maybe there is a different software version | 21:35 |
| dm8tbr | bara: you can from the 'messages' application | 21:35 |
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| dm8tbr | bottom right | 21:35 |
| bara | dm8tbr: i see! | 21:35 |
| bara | dm8tbr: was used to the n900 way | 21:35 |
| dm8tbr | well, if someone writes a proper xmpp account plugin then it will also work from the contacts | 21:36 |
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| Aard | doing so is pretty simple, but since it's working for me I've been too lazy to do it so far | 21:36 |
| bara | now i'm happy :) | 21:36 |
| dm8tbr | account-sso is open source... | 21:36 |
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| bara | getting the changes upstream will be the challange | 21:37 |
| Aard | no, it would just be an additional package for the plugin you can install. could just try to get it into ovi store | 21:38 |
| dm8tbr | exactly | 21:39 |
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