IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-10-22

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CosmoHillhow many of you passed your driving test first time?00:38
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psycho_oreosnot I00:38
psycho_oreosdid you? :)00:39
CosmoHillI did :)00:39
psycho_oreosstick shift or automatic?00:39
CosmoHillbut I had a decent amount of exp behind me as I drove with my dad for a few months00:39
CosmoHillmanual00:39
CosmoHillin the UK if you take your test in an automatic you're not allowed to drive manuals00:40
psycho_oreoswell there you go you lucky bastard ;) I had little to no experience with manuals00:40
psycho_oreosits the same rule here in Australia as well00:40
CosmoHillaparantly our town is a bit hard to do so the students who aren't so good do it in the next town cos it's easier00:40
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psycho_oreoseven on your license card it has a letter printed on it noting which transmission you're allowed to drive with, S for synchromesh, A for automatic and nothing noted for manual00:41
CosmoHillit should say on ours00:42
CosmoHillit might be B for car and B1 for automatics only00:42
psycho_oreosyeah its a little similar here except suburbs, and also if you fail the practical driving test you cannot retake the same practical driving test from another suburb/area the same day as you failed00:42
CosmoHillmy friend failed first time and resat within a week or two00:42
psycho_oreosC here is for car, so you get CA and CS for transmission restrictions and just C for manual00:43
CosmoHillI have mine proposed by the test centre 6 weeks :(00:43
CosmoHillI think it's A for bike, B for Car, C for lorry, D for bus00:43
psycho_oreosat least you have had experience beforehand lol00:43
CosmoHill+ E for trailer, eg B + E is car + trailer00:44
CosmoHillI've had my license almost 4 years but probably have been driving for 5 years00:45
psycho_oreosover here its even more confusing and specific00:45
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CosmoHillC1+E is lorries over 3500kg and under 7500kg with trailers over 750kg but less than the weight of the lorry00:46
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psycho_oreoshttp://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/licence_classes.html <--- here is just a sample scope of how confusing it is, the motorbike class is restricted to mopeds and non-mopeds, then there's UC which is specially designed vehicles, those aren't noted00:48
CosmoHillis that confusing and specific enough for you? :p00:48
psycho_oreosI still think the licensing is even more confusing here :D00:49
CosmoHillwe have 3 motorbike licenses which you must take in order00:49
psycho_oreossame here00:49
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CosmoHillhttp://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_402254700:50
psycho_oreosand licenses for 3 times applies right across the board. So say for example you want to get licensing for car you have to do it 3 times00:50
CosmoHillaparantly we have more than 3...00:50
psycho_oreosheh yours is more condensed and all in one page, over here its all over the shop. Like where I reside (in Qld) the department of transport isn't as well organised in terms of site and licensing details as NSW00:52
psycho_oreoshttp://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/200707_restrictions.html00:52
CosmoHillsomewhere on that page it says I'm allowed to drive up to 16 passagers as long as I don't get paid for it00:53
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psycho_oreosyou start with written test to get L (for learners), then you do practical after some time to get P1 (red P) for provisional. You must hold that for certain amount of time depending on your age from when you first applied for licensing then you get a test to go to P2. From P2 you must hold it yet again for sometime before you get automatically upgraded to O (for Open)00:54
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CosmoHillyou have to be 17 to drive on the road and it is possible to take and pass your pratical test on your 17th birthday00:55
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CosmoHillyou have a theory test and hazzard perception which you must pass before you can book your driving pratical test and the test must be within 2 years00:55
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CosmoHillalso the test changed from 35 to 50 questions between the time I took my theory and pratical tests :)00:56
psycho_oreosI'm not too familiar with age restrictions here with licensing but I'm sure 17 is the minimum here as well00:56
psycho_oreosheh I can't remember how many questions were there for written test but I do remember it was a multiple choice question (at least in Queensland)00:56
psycho_oreosL, P1, and P2 all needs relevant tags stuck on the device in a visible location, P1 is red P, and P2 is green P00:57
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psycho_oreoss/device/vehicle/ ... lol I'm confusing the terms all over00:57
CosmoHilllol00:59
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/almeragx.jpg00:59
CosmoHillmy car with learner plates on00:59
CosmoHilltbh I was hoping more people would join in this discussion00:59
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CosmoHillwow I've been driving that car for four and a half years :o01:00
psycho_oreoshaha that is the exact same sort of design as for P1 and P2 over here, except we don't use L, we use P, L is yellow background with black letter. all three license class (L, P1, P2) requires that sort of plate/sticker on both the front and rear side of the vehicle01:01
CosmoHillYou can get a green P once you've passed your test but I was told that they are a bad idea01:02
CosmoHillimagine someone playing battlefeild two with NEWBIE floating over their head01:02
psycho_oreoshttp://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/12/27/1225813/991183-learner.jpg <-- here's one picture of Learner sticker on a car01:03
CosmoHillthat's a big ford01:03
CosmoHillgod we learn in tiny little cars with tiny little engines01:03
psycho_oreosI think its generally a bad idea to have any sort of plate/sticker stuck on your vehicle, regardless if its L, P1, P2, it tells Open drivers to avoid you01:03
CosmoHillyou're not allowed to drive on your own as a learner01:04
psycho_oreosthat's actually a Holden :) VY/VZ variant to be even more specific01:04
CosmoHillI learnt to drive in a 1L nissan micra01:04
CosmoHilland my current 1.4L nissan almera01:04
CosmoHillmy insurance atm is $1,000 AUD01:05
psycho_oreosyup same here, you must drive with one person who has held their Open license for at least 2 years and/or the owner of vehicle of the car (sitting beside you) is the driving instructor01:05
CosmoHillhere has to be over 3 years driving and over 21 years old, but doesn't have to be in the front of the car...01:05
psycho_oreosI learnt to drive with Hyundai Excel and Suzuki Swift, and I passed the practical driving test with Suzuki Swift01:06
CosmoHillmy friend gave me an anxiety attack in a suzuki swift01:06
CosmoHilland rightfully so, he wrote it off the following day01:07
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berndhsi learned to drive with a motorhome01:07
psycho_oreosouch, restrictive in other ways, I've also read in the site you linked me (on another page) how you guys have penalty points, very similar here to demerit points but yours is more verbose01:07
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psycho_oreoslol, those suzuki swifts are fast but not my cup of tea :)01:08
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berndhsthe motorhome was probably harder to park than a suzuki swift01:09
psycho_oreosit would be at least three folds :)01:09
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berndhscan't see out the back01:09
psycho_oreosnot to mention if you had to do parallel parking and if you were tested on it01:09
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aukea cup of tea has more structural strength than a suzuki swift01:10
psycho_oreosI think that's somewhat illegal here for motorhome to not have a visible view of the rear from the rearview mirror01:10
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psycho_oreosbut a cup of tea isn't as useful as suzuki swift01:11
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CosmoHillyou can't make out on the back seats of a cup of tea01:11
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CosmoHillthen again you can't on a swift either cos you can't get anyone in01:12
* CosmoHill is kidding and actually likes the current swift sport01:12
CosmoHillauke: remember that you're in american and their standards of car are somewhat different01:12
psycho_oreosindeed01:12
* psycho_oreos personally never liked front wheelers01:13
CosmoHilla lot of cars are FW01:13
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psycho_oreosunfortunately that is true if you're in EU :|01:13
CosmoHillI am in the EU :)01:14
CosmoHillshould have mentioned that01:14
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psycho_oreosthat's what I meant, here in AU and even in US, you get rear wheelers as well. Though its not like as if front wheelers are outlawed but they're common as heck no matter where you go, contrary to that fact its not like rear wheelers are non-existent, they do exist elsewhere in EU but not as popular/common01:15
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psycho_oreosI've even seen a Holden commadore (they are all rear wheelers) in UK on some Holden bulletin board01:16
CosmoHillyou can get some holdens over here branded as Vauxhalls01:17
CosmoHilltbh if I had one of them I'd import the bits of the holden bagde on01:17
psycho_oreosyup, well if they were told be sold normally through the car shops and what not (brand new of course) they are branded as Vauxhalls, though you can I suppose import them. Then again fuel isn't cheap neither is running a big car over there :D01:18
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psycho_oreosI've also heard that Vauxhalls has a poor reputation over there in UK01:18
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CosmoHillyes that is why I'd import the branded bits01:19
CosmoHillVauxhall Corsa and Novas are for chavs01:19
CosmoHilljust imagine a 1.2l subwoofer on wheels01:19
CosmoHillnot that I've made my 1.4L sound very loud when you put your foot down >..01:20
CosmoHill>.>01:20
psycho_oreoshaha no different here for Holden Commadore and Ford Falcon here are typically stereotyped for bogans (similar to chavs and rednecks elsewhere)01:20
CosmoHillcould I get one of them for $4500 AUD?01:21
psycho_oreosand people who just hoon around with loud speakers playing the type of music you loathe out loud so that you hear their music more than the engine noise itself -_-' sad really01:22
psycho_oreossecond hand yes01:22
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CosmoHillooo01:22
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CosmoHillthat's how much I might spend on one of these: http://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/83542237.jpg01:23
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CosmoHillauke and berndhs, what do you two drive?01:24
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psycho_oreosahh yeah old ford focus, I like those design, the current ones look ugly but again its still a front wheeler :)01:29
CosmoHillthe mk 2 or 3?01:31
CosmoHillthe mk2 looks okay but I only like the ST-2 really01:32
CosmoHillthe mk3 I don't like01:32
psycho_oreosmm not sure about the ford line :) but that design I like (the one in picture). The latter models (in fact all the latter models) I didn't like the looks01:33
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aukeCosmoHill: nothing interesting, considering I live in the US01:34
CosmoHillmy friend likes fords and I like my friend so I know about fords01:35
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psycho_oreosI don't think any of us would class our own cars as interesting but to a foreigner from another country it may be of interest :)01:35
aukeCosmoHill: I used to drive a Fiat Panda cvt though :)01:35
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psycho_oreosheh I'm your opposition then, I'm more of Holden fan (technically GM|Holden) but I don't mind Ford either01:36
aukeI commute to work in a honda civic, the kids ride with mom in a hyundai Santa Fe01:36
CosmoHillauke: CVT gearbox?01:37
aukeyeah, the Panda had a CVT gearbox, it was fantastic to drive01:37
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aukethat thing was so light and had such a low gear ratio it would beat anything at the traffic light01:37
CosmoHillauke: the new shaped civic?01:37
aukena, 2005 model, we've had it for a while01:37
CosmoHilldad has a 2007 EU model01:38
aukeit's cheap, great on gas01:38
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/civic.jpg01:38
aukeI can drive to work on a tank of gas for about 6 weeks01:38
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aukethat's a newer model, they don't sell that model in the US01:40
CosmoHillI know, the one they sell in the US is ugly01:40
CosmoHillbut I remember they sold the preivous model in the US for a year or so after we got the new model01:40
CosmoHillapparently triangle shaped tail pipes where too much for US citizens01:41
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aukeround doesn't do well here, somehow01:41
aukeapparently people hate driving around in something that looks like a ball01:41
aukegiven the big SUV's and trucks on the road, I don't blame em01:42
aukeanyway, time to commute to the home01:42
* auke wishes everyone a good weekend01:42
psycho_oreoscya01:43
CosmoHillcyas01:43
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CosmoHillI drained the cap out of my UPS battery and apparently that was a bad move since the UPS won't charge it now01:46
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psycho_oreoslol nasty01:50
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arfoll_gandhijee: then I sugest you ask aminocom. To me that would refer to new PR builds from intel for CE4100, more than that I don't know, I haven't used anything newer than PR2101:53
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UberNeoHi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused"  ..02:58
UberNeoi knw its related to netcat .. as N900 is refusing the netcat connection "nc 192.168.2.15 500"  with the same error as  "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused"03:00
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UberNeoanybodyy ???03:01
CosmoHillhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RBlkJ4Jie84#! enjoy03:02
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UberNeocan anybody help me . with the flashing on Meego on N900 emmc03:13
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CosmoHillyou know the great film "Wargames"18:53
CosmoHillWargames: The Dead Code shits on that18:53
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CosmoHillauke: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Fiat_Panda_100HP.jpg :)20:27
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* CosmoHill does about 7.6 miles / litre20:55
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CosmoHillyay mixed units20:56
berndhsin a Fiat Panda ?20:56
berndhsthat's not very good20:57
CosmoHillnah, my nissan almera driving around town20:57
CosmoHillreasonably aggressively around town >.>20:57
berndhsdepends on the town :)20:57
CosmoHillI have no intake silencing on my car :)20:59
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barais there a way to use jabber with the n9?21:29
Aardbara: mc-tool21:30
Aardmc-tool add gabble/jabber <display_name> string:account=user@hostname string:password=<password> string:server=hostname bool:require-encryption=1 bool:ignore-ssl-errors=121:31
Aardmc-tool enable <accountname> (first mc-tool call will give you the account name)21:31
baraAard: i can add my account and see the contacts but cants start conversations21:31
Aardthen you're probably doing something wrong, have been using it for over 2 months this way21:32
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barai see basicly empty contact cards for my jabber contacts. do you hav an n950? maybe there is a different software version21:35
dm8tbrbara: you can from the 'messages' application21:35
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dm8tbrbottom right21:35
baradm8tbr: i see!21:35
baradm8tbr: was used to the n900 way21:35
dm8tbrwell, if someone writes a proper xmpp account plugin then it will also work from the contacts21:36
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Aarddoing so is pretty simple, but since it's working for me I've been too lazy to do it so far21:36
baranow i'm happy :)21:36
dm8tbraccount-sso is open source...21:36
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baragetting the changes upstream will be the challange21:37
Aardno, it would just be an additional package for the plugin you can install. could just try to get it into ovi store21:38
dm8tbrexactly21:39
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