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SpeedEvilWell - not counting the several people in the village still using WEP00:05
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eberbmhola05:51
eberbmalguien habla espaƱol?05:51
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Stskeepsmorning thiago11:19
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tar-gzHi! Meego is is discontinued?12:34
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SpeedEvilSomewhat, yes.12:36
tar-gz;-(12:36
tar-gzi'm sad now.12:36
SpeedEvilThere are projects based on the rotting corpse.12:37
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SpeedEvilI mean source tree.12:37
SpeedEvilFrom mer, to meltemi, to tizen, to meego-ce12:37
thiagoit's not officially discontinued12:37
SpeedEvilExactly what all of these projects are, and tehir future isn't really clear yet12:38
tar-gzI want to install this distro in my netbook. But if this not continued i think i should find other distro12:38
thiagobut the main backer appears to have moved on12:38
SpeedEviland yes - that - technically meego continues.12:38
SpeedEvilAs a linux foundation project12:38
SpeedEvilBut intel having moved on - when they were the main driving force will obviously change things.12:38
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tar-gzSpeedEvil: you are user of meego?12:39
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SpeedEvilI have downloaded a image, but not got round to trying it yet.12:40
tar-gzSpeedEvil: i need fast simple and pretty distro. What i can install on my netbook?12:42
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thiagoMeeGo12:42
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tar-gzthiago: but meego don't be continued12:51
thiagowho said that?12:51
RST38hIntel said that12:52
thiagothey actually didn't12:52
RST38hThey did.12:52
thiagothey said they would work on Tizen, that's all12:52
thiagothat doesn't mean MeeGo must stop12:52
RST38hThey said that technologies from Meego will be usedi n Tizen12:52
thiagoyeah12:53
thiagoMeeGo also uses OpenSUSE technologies12:53
thiagodoes that mean OpenSUSE stopped?12:53
RST38hMeego, as it is, is only supported for existing customers12:53
thiagocould be12:53
RST38hNext thing you will ask is about LInux being stopped because Intel just dropped Meego12:53
thiagobut isn't that what tar-gz needs? support for the existing?12:53
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thiagoanyway, my point is, even if Intel walks out, it doesn't mean MeeGo must stop12:55
RST38hI have no idea what the guy means, but Meego will not be continued12:55
thiagothere's no directive saying it has to stop12:56
RST38hthiago: and that automatically means that it won't?12:56
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tar-gzSo meego be updated?12:56
tar-gzTizen? Hmmm, that is free and open?12:57
thiagofor netbooks? that's a good question12:57
thiagoit was mostly Intel's work12:57
thiagobut it was also one of the most successful parts of MeeGo, with several devices shipping12:57
tar-gzthiago: So meego will be developed or not? And if Tizen can be downloaded free of charge? Is it yet another commercial shit?13:00
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thiagotar-gz: sorry, the crystal ball is not working13:01
thiagomy ability to see into the future is limited. Now, I can barely see my lunch in 30 mins.13:01
tar-gzthiago: and you use meego?13:02
thiagoyes13:02
tar-gzand will be using?13:02
thiagotar-gz: there's nothing else to change to13:03
tar-gzmoblin are13:03
thiagoRST38h: the point is that there's a lot of people interested in continuing. Whether they will succeed or not, only time will tell.13:03
thiagotar-gz: moblin is meego13:03
tar-gzuhmm13:03
tar-gzso i can try ;-)13:04
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thiagoRST38h: you may be right and they may fail.13:04
thiagoRST38h: but saying right now that MeeGo won't continue is disrespectful of them and their intentions.13:04
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RST38hthiago: you can be respectful,I will be realistic13:06
thiagoRST38h: you can be both13:07
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thiago"MeeGo will probably not evolve much after the main backer has moved on"13:08
thiagoIntel has never said it will stop working on MeeGo. You may assume that is the case, but it's just that: an assumption.13:09
Venemothiago, so what's the full truth?13:09
thiagoVenemo: I cannot tell you more than what's on the websites.13:09
thiagoVenemo: so please just read that for yourself and make your own conclusions.13:10
VenemoI've read13:10
* thiago is bound by too many NDAs13:10
Venemothiago, there is one thing I don't understand13:10
Venemoif they carry MeeGo's code over to Tizen, why don't they just cancel the MeeGo project and tell us all to move on to there?13:10
thiagoyour guess is as good as mine13:11
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thiagowell, I mean, I might have more information and I'd be able to make a more educated guess...13:12
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thiagobut I can only guess at many things13:13
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Venemothiago, point taken :)13:15
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Ans5iwhat would be good image for exopc?13:24
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annmathe pinetrail one Ans5i13:33
Ans5iyep, seems quite old ones that i found13:34
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Venemoanyone knows where to grab the properitary bits for the ideapad if I want to try another OS on it?14:23
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thiagosomewhere in broadcom.com14:34
Venemohmm14:35
MSMNo thanks14:35
MSMIll pass14:35
Venemoand how come that meego is distributing these non-free bits?14:35
thiagoit isn't14:36
MSMIt shouldn't be14:36
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Venemoafter installing meego netbook edition, everything on the ideapad works flawlessly. even wireless14:36
Venemohow is this possible, unless meego contains the necessary properitary stuff?14:37
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DekansUbuntu runs fine on the ideapad14:44
DekansIt should be the same for any distro14:44
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nialahello16:13
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nialameego dead 2 times, first by nokia and now by intel ?16:27
Stskeepscode lives on16:27
Stskeeps:P16:27
RST38hStskeeps: In Fedora, I assume?16:27
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Venemonope16:29
Venemothey'll carry most of MeeGo's code into Tizen16:29
nialawhat about qt ?16:30
RST38hDoes this mean they will discard all the SLP code from Tizen?16:31
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VenemoQt will be there but deemphasised, at least this is how I understand it16:31
timophtizen is so loosely specified that it can be anything16:33
timophliterally16:33
tarantismVenemo: "Qt will be there" - here's hoping!16:33
nialaagree with timoph16:33
Venemoindeed16:33
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Venemoand "can be anything" includes your installing Qt16:34
* RST38h is sure Tizen is ChromeOS16:34
timoph:)16:34
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nialawaste my free time in meego... now will wait for device16:35
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VenemoTizen devices are promised for mid-201216:36
nialalol16:36
StskeepsRST38h: it's all linux base anyway..16:36
Stskeeps:P16:36
Stskeepsthe usual crap(TM) like acl, glibc, etc..16:36
RST38hSo, why call it Meego or Tizen?16:37
Venemowhy does the name matter?16:37
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timophbranding and marketing16:38
StskeepsRST38h: meego brand has been dragged quite a fair bit through the mud16:38
Stskeeps:P16:38
Stskeepsto be onest16:38
timophyep16:38
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VenemoStskeeps, agreed16:41
Venemoalso, methinks that this is some kind of revenge from Intel to Nokia :)16:42
timophname matters. otherwise anyone wouldn't mind calling it for example "vista" :p16:43
StskeepsVenemo: well, the timing certainly was, but i would have wanted a clean slate too16:43
VenemoStskeeps, the timing would've been better for the Tizen brand if it coincided with the Tizen device announcements.16:44
Stskeepsprobably16:44
Venemoalso, I would have expected a clean EOL for MeeGo, not just "it's still a project, community can carry on, blah-blah"16:44
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Ans5icould meego be a normal distro?16:46
Stskeepsi wouldn't want it to be16:46
Termananot a chance16:46
timophI agree that it shouldn't even try to be one16:47
timophand that fact should've been communicated better from day one16:48
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CosmoHill.o/16:50
timoph'lo16:50
berndhshowdy16:50
nialahello CosmoHill16:50
CosmoHillsalut16:51
Ans5iwhat's the status of MeeGo brand anyway, is Intel/Nokia still looking after it?16:54
StskeepsLF's16:54
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Ans5iyeah, at least they still have working group.16:56
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nialahtml5 mean that all apps will be in 'clouds' ?16:57
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nialai hate web application..16:59
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chouchouneniala: no, apps will be on the devices but written using HTML5/Javascript17:00
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SpeedEvilNo!17:02
SpeedEvilQemu + activex17:02
javispedroGoogle's NaCL ;P17:02
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Ans5ii had that enabled when tried qt on chrome17:03
Ans5ibut i basically understand the html, it's quite easy way write internet enabled application, though i am not big fan of js.17:06
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Ans5i..but qt.17:06
* niala dream17:09
nialamaybe one day a debianphone.....17:09
NIN101this is not impossible / already reality17:10
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nialaa17:10
chouchouneniala: maybe one day, an open phone17:16
chouchounezould be a better dream17:16
chouchounewould*17:16
* SpeedEvil looks at his open phone.17:17
chouchouneSpeedEvil: which is ?17:17
nialamore likely to have peace in the world or to have a free phone without internal secrets?17:17
SpeedEvilchouchoune: openmoko17:17
chouchounemmmhhh yes, there's one, but can you install recent stuff on it ?17:18
SpeedEvilyes17:18
SpeedEvil(In principle)17:18
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* Termana looks at his open phone17:18
TermanaIt's flipped open17:18
Termanaba dum tss17:18
DocScrutinizer\o/17:19
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DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10096?sort=417:22
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nialaI will play tropico4, like compagny's play with us17:32
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tar-gzHi!20:06
tar-gzHow i can minimalize applications?20:06
tar-gznow i know20:07
tar-gztkanks guys20:07
tar-gzMeeGo is awesome!20:07
tar-gzthanks*20:07
t7^:o20:07
thiagotar-gz: in the netbook?20:08
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Venemotar-gz, patience is a virtue20:15
Venemotar-gz, in MeeGo netbook, press the 'windows key', or just go to the top pixel row with the mouse, and it will show the tabs. but there is no option to 'minimize'.20:16
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* CosmoHill installs OpenSUSE21:53
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* CosmoHill hasn't used KDE in years22:05
timophyou might notice a few changes then :p22:07
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Ans5ii would like to try plasma active, demo looked nice.22:20
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CosmoHilltimoph: I think it was kubuntu 7.10 :s22:30
chouchouneI should maybe give a chance to KDE again22:31
chouchounedidn't try it for a long time too22:32
tar-gzCan i install something in meego with use terminal? Ubuntu have apt-get, fedora- yum and what have meego?22:32
CosmoHillfedora went funny with gnome 3 and my new graphics card22:32
CosmoHilltar-gz: zypper22:32
chouchounemmmhhh, Gnome3 workd well with my computers22:32
tar-gzCosmoHill: meego have zypper?22:32
CosmoHillyes22:32
tar-gzawesome!22:32
chouchouneIntel integrated for the graohics22:32
tar-gzi love this distro!22:32
CosmoHillit worked well until I put in my new graphics card22:33
CosmoHillthen it died a horrible death22:33
tar-gzCosmoHill: and meego use *.rpm?22:33
CosmoHillyes22:33
tar-gz;-)22:33
tar-gzA22:33
tar-gzWESOME!22:33
CosmoHillany other questions?22:33
tar-gzhmmm, what are you from?22:33
CosmoHillEngland22:33
tar-gzBeer?22:34
tar-gzor Voka?22:34
CosmoHillbut I did mean related to MeeGo22:34
tar-gzVodka*22:34
CosmoHillCider22:34
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tar-gzCosmoHill: tell me, have you in england beer: Dog in the fog?22:34
CosmoHillno idea, probably22:35
CosmoHilli don't drink beer myself22:35
tar-gzcan i switch zones using keyboard?22:36
CosmoHillprobably but I don't know how22:37
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CosmoHillwow, VLC requires 65 packages on OpenSUSE22:39
tar-gzflash works good. Hmmm.. RED TUBE I'M COMING!22:40
CosmoHillewww22:40
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CosmoHillsweet, SPDIF passthrough :)22:47
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