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| tar-gz | Hi! Meego is is discontinued? | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Somewhat, yes. | 12:36 |
| tar-gz | ;-( | 12:36 |
| tar-gz | i'm sad now. | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | There are projects based on the rotting corpse. | 12:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean source tree. | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | From mer, to meltemi, to tizen, to meego-ce | 12:37 |
| thiago | it's not officially discontinued | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly what all of these projects are, and tehir future isn't really clear yet | 12:38 |
| tar-gz | I want to install this distro in my netbook. But if this not continued i think i should find other distro | 12:38 |
| thiago | but the main backer appears to have moved on | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes - that - technically meego continues. | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | As a linux foundation project | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But intel having moved on - when they were the main driving force will obviously change things. | 12:38 |
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| tar-gz | SpeedEvil: you are user of meego? | 12:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have downloaded a image, but not got round to trying it yet. | 12:40 |
| tar-gz | SpeedEvil: i need fast simple and pretty distro. What i can install on my netbook? | 12:42 |
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| thiago | MeeGo | 12:42 |
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| tar-gz | thiago: but meego don't be continued | 12:51 |
| thiago | who said that? | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Intel said that | 12:52 |
| thiago | they actually didn't | 12:52 |
| RST38h | They did. | 12:52 |
| thiago | they said they would work on Tizen, that's all | 12:52 |
| thiago | that doesn't mean MeeGo must stop | 12:52 |
| RST38h | They said that technologies from Meego will be usedi n Tizen | 12:52 |
| thiago | yeah | 12:53 |
| thiago | MeeGo also uses OpenSUSE technologies | 12:53 |
| thiago | does that mean OpenSUSE stopped? | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Meego, as it is, is only supported for existing customers | 12:53 |
| thiago | could be | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Next thing you will ask is about LInux being stopped because Intel just dropped Meego | 12:53 |
| thiago | but isn't that what tar-gz needs? support for the existing? | 12:53 |
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| thiago | anyway, my point is, even if Intel walks out, it doesn't mean MeeGo must stop | 12:55 |
| RST38h | I have no idea what the guy means, but Meego will not be continued | 12:55 |
| thiago | there's no directive saying it has to stop | 12:56 |
| RST38h | thiago: and that automatically means that it won't? | 12:56 |
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| tar-gz | So meego be updated? | 12:56 |
| tar-gz | Tizen? Hmmm, that is free and open? | 12:57 |
| thiago | for netbooks? that's a good question | 12:57 |
| thiago | it was mostly Intel's work | 12:57 |
| thiago | but it was also one of the most successful parts of MeeGo, with several devices shipping | 12:57 |
| tar-gz | thiago: So meego will be developed or not? And if Tizen can be downloaded free of charge? Is it yet another commercial shit? | 13:00 |
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| thiago | tar-gz: sorry, the crystal ball is not working | 13:01 |
| thiago | my ability to see into the future is limited. Now, I can barely see my lunch in 30 mins. | 13:01 |
| tar-gz | thiago: and you use meego? | 13:02 |
| thiago | yes | 13:02 |
| tar-gz | and will be using? | 13:02 |
| thiago | tar-gz: there's nothing else to change to | 13:03 |
| tar-gz | moblin are | 13:03 |
| thiago | RST38h: the point is that there's a lot of people interested in continuing. Whether they will succeed or not, only time will tell. | 13:03 |
| thiago | tar-gz: moblin is meego | 13:03 |
| tar-gz | uhmm | 13:03 |
| tar-gz | so i can try ;-) | 13:04 |
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| thiago | RST38h: you may be right and they may fail. | 13:04 |
| thiago | RST38h: but saying right now that MeeGo won't continue is disrespectful of them and their intentions. | 13:04 |
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| RST38h | thiago: you can be respectful,I will be realistic | 13:06 |
| thiago | RST38h: you can be both | 13:07 |
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| thiago | "MeeGo will probably not evolve much after the main backer has moved on" | 13:08 |
| thiago | Intel has never said it will stop working on MeeGo. You may assume that is the case, but it's just that: an assumption. | 13:09 |
| Venemo | thiago, so what's the full truth? | 13:09 |
| thiago | Venemo: I cannot tell you more than what's on the websites. | 13:09 |
| thiago | Venemo: so please just read that for yourself and make your own conclusions. | 13:10 |
| Venemo | I've read | 13:10 |
| * thiago is bound by too many NDAs | 13:10 | |
| Venemo | thiago, there is one thing I don't understand | 13:10 |
| Venemo | if they carry MeeGo's code over to Tizen, why don't they just cancel the MeeGo project and tell us all to move on to there? | 13:10 |
| thiago | your guess is as good as mine | 13:11 |
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| thiago | well, I mean, I might have more information and I'd be able to make a more educated guess... | 13:12 |
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| thiago | but I can only guess at many things | 13:13 |
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| Venemo | thiago, point taken :) | 13:15 |
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| Ans5i | what would be good image for exopc? | 13:24 |
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| annma | the pinetrail one Ans5i | 13:33 |
| Ans5i | yep, seems quite old ones that i found | 13:34 |
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| Venemo | anyone knows where to grab the properitary bits for the ideapad if I want to try another OS on it? | 14:23 |
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| thiago | somewhere in broadcom.com | 14:34 |
| Venemo | hmm | 14:35 |
| MSM | No thanks | 14:35 |
| MSM | Ill pass | 14:35 |
| Venemo | and how come that meego is distributing these non-free bits? | 14:35 |
| thiago | it isn't | 14:36 |
| MSM | It shouldn't be | 14:36 |
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| Venemo | after installing meego netbook edition, everything on the ideapad works flawlessly. even wireless | 14:36 |
| Venemo | how is this possible, unless meego contains the necessary properitary stuff? | 14:37 |
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| Dekans | Ubuntu runs fine on the ideapad | 14:44 |
| Dekans | It should be the same for any distro | 14:44 |
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| niala | hello | 16:13 |
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| niala | meego dead 2 times, first by nokia and now by intel ? | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | code lives on | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: In Fedora, I assume? | 16:27 |
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| Venemo | nope | 16:29 |
| Venemo | they'll carry most of MeeGo's code into Tizen | 16:29 |
| niala | what about qt ? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Does this mean they will discard all the SLP code from Tizen? | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | Qt will be there but deemphasised, at least this is how I understand it | 16:31 |
| timoph | tizen is so loosely specified that it can be anything | 16:33 |
| timoph | literally | 16:33 |
| tarantism | Venemo: "Qt will be there" - here's hoping! | 16:33 |
| niala | agree with timoph | 16:33 |
| Venemo | indeed | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | and "can be anything" includes your installing Qt | 16:34 |
| * RST38h is sure Tizen is ChromeOS | 16:34 | |
| timoph | :) | 16:34 |
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| niala | waste my free time in meego... now will wait for device | 16:35 |
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| Venemo | Tizen devices are promised for mid-2012 | 16:36 |
| niala | lol | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's all linux base anyway.. | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | the usual crap(TM) like acl, glibc, etc.. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | So, why call it Meego or Tizen? | 16:37 |
| Venemo | why does the name matter? | 16:37 |
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| timoph | branding and marketing | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: meego brand has been dragged quite a fair bit through the mud | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | to be onest | 16:38 |
| timoph | yep | 16:38 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, agreed | 16:41 |
| Venemo | also, methinks that this is some kind of revenge from Intel to Nokia :) | 16:42 |
| timoph | name matters. otherwise anyone wouldn't mind calling it for example "vista" :p | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: well, the timing certainly was, but i would have wanted a clean slate too | 16:43 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, the timing would've been better for the Tizen brand if it coincided with the Tizen device announcements. | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 16:44 |
| Venemo | also, I would have expected a clean EOL for MeeGo, not just "it's still a project, community can carry on, blah-blah" | 16:44 |
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| Ans5i | could meego be a normal distro? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't want it to be | 16:46 |
| Termana | not a chance | 16:46 |
| timoph | I agree that it shouldn't even try to be one | 16:47 |
| timoph | and that fact should've been communicated better from day one | 16:48 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 16:50 |
| timoph | 'lo | 16:50 |
| berndhs | howdy | 16:50 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | salut | 16:51 |
| Ans5i | what's the status of MeeGo brand anyway, is Intel/Nokia still looking after it? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | LF's | 16:54 |
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| Ans5i | yeah, at least they still have working group. | 16:56 |
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| niala | html5 mean that all apps will be in 'clouds' ? | 16:57 |
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| niala | i hate web application.. | 16:59 |
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| chouchoune | niala: no, apps will be on the devices but written using HTML5/Javascript | 17:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | No! | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Qemu + activex | 17:02 |
| javispedro | Google's NaCL ;P | 17:02 |
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| Ans5i | i had that enabled when tried qt on chrome | 17:03 |
| Ans5i | but i basically understand the html, it's quite easy way write internet enabled application, though i am not big fan of js. | 17:06 |
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| Ans5i | ..but qt. | 17:06 |
| * niala dream | 17:09 | |
| niala | maybe one day a debianphone..... | 17:09 |
| NIN101 | this is not impossible / already reality | 17:10 |
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| niala | a | 17:10 |
| chouchoune | niala: maybe one day, an open phone | 17:16 |
| chouchoune | zould be a better dream | 17:16 |
| chouchoune | would* | 17:16 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his open phone. | 17:17 | |
| chouchoune | SpeedEvil: which is ? | 17:17 |
| niala | more likely to have peace in the world or to have a free phone without internal secrets? | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | chouchoune: openmoko | 17:17 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh yes, there's one, but can you install recent stuff on it ? | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (In principle) | 17:18 |
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| * Termana looks at his open phone | 17:18 | |
| Termana | It's flipped open | 17:18 |
| Termana | ba dum tss | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10096?sort=4 | 17:22 |
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| tar-gz | Hi! | 20:06 |
| tar-gz | How i can minimalize applications? | 20:06 |
| tar-gz | now i know | 20:07 |
| tar-gz | tkanks guys | 20:07 |
| tar-gz | MeeGo is awesome! | 20:07 |
| tar-gz | thanks* | 20:07 |
| t7^ | :o | 20:07 |
| thiago | tar-gz: in the netbook? | 20:08 |
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| Venemo | tar-gz, patience is a virtue | 20:15 |
| Venemo | tar-gz, in MeeGo netbook, press the 'windows key', or just go to the top pixel row with the mouse, and it will show the tabs. but there is no option to 'minimize'. | 20:16 |
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| * CosmoHill installs OpenSUSE | 21:53 | |
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| * CosmoHill hasn't used KDE in years | 22:05 | |
| timoph | you might notice a few changes then :p | 22:07 |
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| Ans5i | i would like to try plasma active, demo looked nice. | 22:20 |
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| CosmoHill | timoph: I think it was kubuntu 7.10 :s | 22:30 |
| chouchoune | I should maybe give a chance to KDE again | 22:31 |
| chouchoune | didn't try it for a long time too | 22:32 |
| tar-gz | Can i install something in meego with use terminal? Ubuntu have apt-get, fedora- yum and what have meego? | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | fedora went funny with gnome 3 and my new graphics card | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | tar-gz: zypper | 22:32 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, Gnome3 workd well with my computers | 22:32 |
| tar-gz | CosmoHill: meego have zypper? | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:32 |
| tar-gz | awesome! | 22:32 |
| chouchoune | Intel integrated for the graohics | 22:32 |
| tar-gz | i love this distro! | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | it worked well until I put in my new graphics card | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | then it died a horrible death | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | CosmoHill: and meego use *.rpm? | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | ;-) | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | A | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | WESOME! | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | any other questions? | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | hmmm, what are you from? | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | England | 22:33 |
| tar-gz | Beer? | 22:34 |
| tar-gz | or Voka? | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | but I did mean related to MeeGo | 22:34 |
| tar-gz | Vodka* | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | Cider | 22:34 |
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| tar-gz | CosmoHill: tell me, have you in england beer: Dog in the fog? | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | no idea, probably | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | i don't drink beer myself | 22:35 |
| tar-gz | can i switch zones using keyboard? | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | probably but I don't know how | 22:37 |
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| CosmoHill | wow, VLC requires 65 packages on OpenSUSE | 22:39 |
| tar-gz | flash works good. Hmmm.. RED TUBE I'M COMING! | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | ewww | 22:40 |
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| CosmoHill | sweet, SPDIF passthrough :) | 22:47 |
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