IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2011-09-18

licensedCosmoHill, yes i'm reading now.. says     Download latest release, see Release list00:03
licensedbut on release, i have too much files.. i have to download all them?00:03
licensed.xml .packages00:03
CosmoHillno no00:03
licensed.raw.bz2 only, right?00:03
CosmoHillyou'd probably need the raw which you dd to a memory stick00:03
licensedi ask this before, thank you00:04
* CosmoHill goes to look00:04
CosmoHillhttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC00:05
licensedCosmoHill, thank you. i will to follow this link00:09
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wizardhi :S00:14
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CosmoHillhi wizard00:15
wizardI have troubles with updating meego 1.2.000:15
CosmoHillfrom what to what?00:16
wizardfrom 1.2.0 to 1.2.0.2.2011blabla00:16
wizardsofware update pauses forever00:17
CosmoHillcommand line or gui?00:17
wizardgui00:18
wizardI don't know which log to check00:18
CosmoHilltry "sudo zypper update" from the command line00:18
wizardk, lemme try00:18
wizardbtw, is there any software repo available for meego?00:19
CosmoHillthere are many on the community obs00:19
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wizardobs?00:20
CosmoHillopensuse build service00:21
wizardomg00:22
wizardso people make packages manually?00:23
wizardlike - no QA, no bugtracking, no patches, no nothing?00:23
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CosmoHillyes00:24
wizardo_O00:24
CosmoHilli did say it was community00:24
wizardI can't belive it00:24
CosmoHillyou have to add each person's repo manually00:24
CosmoHillso if I made a package and you wanted it you'd need to add my repo00:25
ali1234you don't have to use that stuff00:25
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ali1234the freezing update is a known bug00:25
wizardof course I don't have to00:25
ali1234you have to install the first package only and then reboot00:25
ali1234or it freezes00:25
ali1234just reboot it now and try again and it will work00:25
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wizardthan I lack irc client, office software, java runtime...00:26
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ali1234if you want all that stuff and you want it QA'd then meego is not for you00:26
wizarddefinitely00:26
wizardI just can't belive it how is that possible that two big companies spend 3 years on making nothing00:27
wizardseems everything meego has is made by it's users00:27
wizard:S00:27
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ali1234well its simple00:28
ali1234they spent most of the time ripping that stuff out00:28
ali1234because it has no use on a mobile device00:28
CosmoHillsay I make a package on the community OBS, if it's a good package and others like it it might be added to meego's repo00:28
wizardmobile device00:28
ali1234yes, open office sucks balls on a 3.4" touch screen00:29
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CosmoHillwon't is also murder the battery?00:29
wizardit does even on 24" screen00:29
ali1234yes00:29
ali1234especially java00:29
wizarddammit, wizard needs java for food00:29
CosmoHilldid you just refer to yourself in the third person00:29
wizardyes I did00:30
CosmoHillwhy don't you install java yourself?00:30
wizardI'm just amazed how nokia sucks at everything :D00:30
wizardsymbian - worst, version from version00:30
CosmoHillerm nokia aren't that behind meego any more00:30
ali1234ubuntu and fedora are both fine distros00:30
wizardyeah, they are00:30
CosmoHill(or not as much anyway)00:31
wizardI just wanted to try something new :)00:31
CosmoHilltry LFS00:31
wizardlol00:31
wizardthank you00:31
wizardIf I'm gonna build from nothing I'll use buildroot00:31
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wizardglibc sucks00:31
CosmoHilltry clfs then00:32
ali1234good luck running an office suite on uclibc LOL00:32
wizardCosmoHill: zypper update failed00:33
CosmoHilltry rebooting00:33
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wizardali1234: all I need is LyX with beamer00:33
nialahello00:33
CosmoHillbonsoir niala, comment ça va?00:33
nialanice CosmoHill thank you,and you?00:34
CosmoHilli am well and my team won their first match of the season00:34
wizardok, I won't complain more, since it is not this channel purpose00:34
wizardCosmoHill: would you recommend some osb (obs)?00:35
CosmoHillnope00:35
wizardwhy :S00:35
CosmoHillI'm not familar with any of them00:35
nialacool CosmoHill :) my team is bankruptcy00:35
CosmoHillniala: sounds like southend united00:35
ali1234wizard: try this: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem00:37
nialaCosmoHill, yes football is very simple. You have money you have a good team. No money no good tea, that's all00:37
nialatea=team00:38
CosmoHillyou can't win without a good tea00:38
wizardhmm00:38
wizardali1234: I would rather look for ubuntu ppa with meego interface00:39
wizardIt is really interesting and handy00:39
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ali1234sounds like a good idea00:40
berndhsfootball is made much more complicated by the other team00:41
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CosmoHillberndhs: and by other countries using the same name for different sports00:47
hiemanshuCosmoHill: I call that handegg00:47
hiemanshuCosmoHill: http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/3849.jpg00:48
CosmoHillwhat do you call rugby?00:48
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licensedi'm trying to install meego on my n900. i made $ bzcat <raw_image>.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdX and inserted card on n900.. when i power on.. uboot starts meego but terminal window only.. it's normal?01:00
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licensedand now i can't power off my device =(( power button didn't work01:01
licensedimage meego-core-armv7hl-n900-1.2.90.0.0.20110824.2-mmcblk0p.raw01:02
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CosmoHilldid you check the md5sum of the image?01:07
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licensedCosmoHill, yes, i've checked now01:43
licensedit's ok01:43
licensedCosmoHill, the command it's right? i need this command only?01:44
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ali1234licensed: did yyou put the back cover on?02:31
licensedali1234, yes02:31
ali1234i think you might have dl the wrong image02:32
licensedali1234, i think too.. i down meego-core-armv7hl-n900-1.2.90.0.0.20110824.2-mmcblk0p.raw.bz202:32
licensednow i down mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing-1.2.90.3.0.20110909.81.CE.2011-09-15.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 and i will to test02:32
licensedali1234, it's a good idea?02:33
ali1234that probably wown't work either02:33
licensedi didn't know what image i need02:33
ali1234http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110810.2.DE.2011-08-29.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable/02:33
ali1234try that one02:34
licensedali1234, thank you, i will to try02:34
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ali1234try the others if you want, but i don't think 1.2.90 (which is really 1.3 alpha/beta/whatever) works at all yet02:35
dm8tbrit's under heavy development towards the fall release02:36
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CosmoHillit's late at night and my printer just scared the shit out of me02:55
pixelgeekThey do that.  Mine's a devil for randomly cleaning its print heads in the middle of the night.02:56
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thiagoyou know, there's an easy way to make them stop doing that...02:57
CosmoHillthiago: not see funny comics and print them late at night?02:57
CosmoHillwhat are you doing up anyway?02:57
thiagounplug them when you're not using them02:58
thiagojust came home from a friend's02:58
thiagogonna brush my teeth and hit the sack now02:58
CosmoHillah cool02:58
pixelgeekbut then you have to figure out why it's not working when you next go to print....02:58
pixelgeekand when it's the S.O. that's printing, she doesn't like it when it doesn't 'just work'/02:59
CosmoHillmy desk is split by two power sockets, the speakers, printer, lamp and digi box are on one socket02:59
CosmoHillmy printer is connected to my server and will turn itself on, print and turn off after 10 mins03:00
thiago"I cannot print" "What's happening?" "I cannot print" "Have you tried jiggling the cable?" "That's the light" "What's going on?" "I can't print" "Yeah, Hadley downloaded a virus from the Internet" "Hadley..."03:00
thiagoIBM ad from over 10 years ago03:00
CosmoHillalso pleased cos the linux server has no drivers :)03:00
thiagoI liked the flying cars one better03:00
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CosmoHillI've put my hand in the front of the printer, pulled the cables out of the back with my other and then thrown it across the room03:01
berndhsshotguns work well too03:03
pixelgeekIt's "Office Space" all over again03:03
thiagoIt's my stapler03:03
thiagoI'm a people person!03:04
pixelgeekNeed more bling though ;)03:04
* CosmoHill stops thinking thiago is sober03:04
ali1234thiago: regarding Qt Open Governance, is there any significance to why it is always capitalized?03:05
TSCHAKeeeyou know, it's a proper organizational noun, like, The Guild of Calamitous Intent. ;)03:07
ali1234i know you're joking, but that makes no sense03:07
thiagoali1234: it's the name of the project03:08
thiagoCosmoHill: I'm sober. I was just quoting "Office Space".03:09
thiagoali1234: it's like the Sun and a sun03:09
thiagoali1234: the Moon and a moon; the Galaxy and a galaxy03:09
berndhsand Qt will Govern the world Openly :)03:10
ali1234so how is the Open Governance model different from an open governance model, and why is it important to highlight the difference?03:10
thiagothe Open Governance model is an open governance model03:10
ali1234but... it's late, let's not get into that now03:10
ali1234ok, that's all i really wanted to know03:10
thiagowith Approvers who approve and Maintainers who maintain03:11
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licensedali1234, didn't worked.. says: wrong image format for bootm command03:25
licensederror: cant get kernel image03:25
ali1234well, i don't know about that03:25
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licensedali1234, ok, but thank you03:28
licensedali1234, i just download file and type bzcat mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.12.20110810.2.DE.2011-08-29.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdc03:28
licensedali1234, it's correct? and put card on n900 and power on03:29
ali1234no it is not correct03:29
ali1234you must uncompress it03:29
ali1234oh wait you did03:29
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licensedyes =/03:30
ali1234try an older one i guess03:30
ali1234mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.12.20110810.2.DE.2011-08-22.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz203:31
ali1234this one i have seen working03:31
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licensedali1234, ok03:33
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licensedali1234, now it's working!! awesome hehehe.. so i think new images didn't work04:09
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licensedali1234, please a last thing before sleep.. i can change uboot for multiboot?04:58
ali1234maybe04:58
ali1234i wrote the u-boot thing because i really don't like multiboot04:59
ali1234so i never really tried it04:59
licensedali1234, i want to install android too04:59
ali1234heh04:59
licensedso uboot works with maemo + meego + android?04:59
ali1234so did i04:59
ali1234no, it doesn't work with android yet04:59
ali1234or maybe it does now04:59
ali1234but you'd have to ask them04:59
licensedhehehehe yes05:00
ali1234the android kernel has to be reworked as it relies on modules and stuff from maemo05:00
licensedthank you very much dear.. i will to know meego now.. and sleep05:00
licensedhum yes05:00
ali1234anyway they know the issue05:00
ali1234but it was low priority05:01
licensedyes i know.. microphone didn't work on nitdroid yet hehehe05:01
ali1234multiboot is not nice05:01
licensedhave another priorities05:01
licensedi'm sorry my poor english05:01
ali1234it reflashes the kernel every time you switch OS05:01
licensedomg, really? i didn't knew05:01
ali1234at least it did when i wrote the u-boot patches05:02
ali1234i have not looked at nitdroid and multiboot for a few months as you may have guessed05:02
ali1234but yeah stuff like making the mic work takes priority for them obviously05:02
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Alison_ChaikenAbout SUSE, not MeeGo, but interesting comments about zypper: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Upgrading-openSUSE-to-Linux-3-0-1337231.html05:19
Alison_Chaikenzypper and connman are my personal MeeGo favorites.    I tried but failed to compile connman for Fedora 14.   Should try again with F15.05:20
berndhszypper seems to be considerably faster than yum, but then I've not tried it on a machine using 10 repos with 35000 packages05:28
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Alison_Chaikenzypper makes locking more intuitive.   yum doesn't offer choices in a menu the way that zypp does if dependencies fail.05:37
berndhsyes that's nicer05:37
Alison_ChaikenGiven that OpenSUSE is rpm-based, I'm a bit tempted to switch from Fedora, which I've used since its first release.   Still no connman I assume, though.05:37
berndhsthe most annoying part of yum is that it doesn't know how to refresh properly05:37
berndhsi have issues with connman :)05:38
Alison_ChaikenI'm using Amazon Web Services to build right now, and it never refreshes status manually: very disconcerting at times.05:38
berndhsi reported some bugs with ipv6 1 year ago, not fixed yet05:38
Alison_ChaikenAnybody out there ever use connman on OS besides MeeGo?05:38
Alison_Chaikenconnman IRC is totally dead.    Too bad, as I'd be interested in packaging connman for Fedora . . . unless I switch to SUSE!05:39
berndhsconnman mailing list is pretty active05:39
berndhsi dont understand why connman and networkmanager don't take ipv6 seriously05:41
berndhsas far as i can tell, for example, they both report at most 1 ipv6 address for an interface05:42
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Alison_Chaikenberndhs, I have never really tried to use ipv6 so I won't comment . . . although I know I need to learn RSN.05:58
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Stskeepsmorn Realware10:24
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Texrataloha11:24
dm8tbrhiho11:24
Stskeepshola Texrat11:24
Texrathey two of my favorite IRCers11:25
TexratI'm writing a blog article about Gary and figured it would be good to stop in11:25
Texratwho else is awake in here?11:26
Texratwow, that many11:27
Texrat:P11:27
Stskeepsit's 10am on a sunday, after last week's event, i'm sure a few people are hungover11:27
Stskeeps:P11:27
* thiago is here11:27
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Texrat3:35 am here for me... yawn11:35
Texraton another frigging conference call11:35
lbthey11:36
lbtwe just had a leeeetle glitch on internal DNS .... happy sunday morning11:36
lbtgood morning thiago11:40
lbtand hey Texrat11:40
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dm8tbrdid I miss something? the next CO meeting is in october?11:43
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dm8tbr19:42, 16 September 2011 Dawnfoster (Talk | contribs) (3,962 bytes) (cancelled Sept 20th meeting because of meeting conflicts.)11:44
dm8tbrOh.... I seee...11:44
lbtyeah11:44
dm8tbrI seem to have missed the memo though11:45
lbthehe11:45
lbtI'd better not say anything - I doubt it would be in any way polite or constructive.11:45
* Stskeeps ponders mer release dir structure11:46
lbtnah don't do that Stskeeps11:46
lbtjust change it without notice every few months11:47
lbtkeep *some* consistency with MeeGo :)11:47
Texrathey lbt11:48
lbtyou must be sleepy!11:49
w00ta wild Texrat appears!11:49
TexratI'm used to this crap by now lbt11:49
Texratin fact I've done these damn calls so long it's screwed up my week days11:49
Texrathey w00t11:49
* lbt thinks the same words about another topic :)11:49
Texratbut I may be taking another job in November11:50
Texratfinally11:50
lbtyeah?11:50
lbtsomething good?11:50
Texratwell, better I hope11:50
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mjatexrat o/11:50
TexratI want to get back into tech somehow but that doesn't seem likely11:50
Texrat\o mja11:50
Texratthis would be an app superuser role for logistics company11:51
TexratBNSF International Logistics11:51
Texratdecent company, but not my first choice11:51
Texrat*almost* interviewed with Nokia again, but they just cancelled the job two days ago11:51
mjaare they based in europe11:51
Texratno, US11:52
TexratI'm stuck here around Dallas11:52
mjahm but interview in the middle of tge night?11:52
Texratno no11:52
TexratI'm working, for my current employer, right now11:52
TexratI have to manage conference call with HP India11:52
Texratshitty work11:53
mjao i c11:53
Texratalmost time for coffee...11:53
lbtmmm..... coffee  ,,,,,,, ----->11:53
mjawork's still work right? in this economy11:53
mjaI'm sticking to mine and am hoping the wife finishes her studies and gets a better paying job11:54
mjaso I can stay home ;)11:54
Texratheh11:55
Texratman I am having trouble concluding this tribute article to lcuk...11:55
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Texratheh... job email from Nokia just showed up in my inbox: "Position for Director, Nokia Strategy just opened at Nokia Careers"11:58
Texratyay, they're finally oing to address startegy gaps!11:58
Texratgoing*11:58
Texratand strategy*... sheesh11:58
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Texrathey CosmoHill12:26
CosmoHillhey Texrat, not seen you in a little while12:26
SpeedEvilHey12:27
Texratyeah, been swamped12:32
TexratI'm on a conference call for work and had some time though12:33
Texratworking on a tribute article for lcuk :(12:33
* CosmoHill hugs Texrat 12:34
Texratthanks man12:36
Texrathaving trouble with closing...12:36
Stskeepsif you want reviews, i can help12:37
SpeedEvilThanks.12:39
MyrttiI ordered a card for the family12:39
Texratthanks Myrtti12:41
MyrttiI took his death quite heavily as it was just more thing I've lost this year12:42
Myrttiso I had to do something12:43
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MyrttiI'm sure others will order cards and there will be a communal one, but I needed to do something from and for myself12:43
* CosmoHill hugs Myrtti12:43
Texratagreed12:44
TexratI wanted to make a plaque but won't have the money12:44
Stskeepsplaque? (not very versed in US funeral traditions)12:45
Texratum...12:46
Texratwell, I was thinking acrylic block with custom etching actually12:46
Texratsomething resembling liqflow12:46
Texratwith "lcuk" on it12:46
Texratfor his family12:46
Stskeepsah12:47
Myrttihttp://flickr.com/gp/myrtti/y96ino/12:48
CosmoHillMyrtti: thats very nice12:49
iekku+112:50
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Myrttiabout six pounds it was, moonpig card12:51
Myrttia large one, the same size as the commiserations things here in Finland are12:51
CosmoHillI swear they picked their name with a dart board12:52
Myrttiprobably yeah12:52
Stskeepsmoonpig?12:52
CosmoHillStskeeps: there are two custom card companies called "moonpig" and "funky pigeon"12:52
Stskeepsah12:52
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Texratlcuk tribute article: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/gary-birkett-a-community-heart/12:57
Myrtti(the poem in my card: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/46264)12:58
Myrttior verse, or quote, or whatever12:58
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StskeepsTexrat: +1 - a good article13:02
Texratty13:02
Texratfeel free to leave comments in the article13:02
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Texrathey wazd13:07
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Texratok, got an hour to nap before next team joins conference... later all13:11
CosmoHillsleep well13:11
CosmoHilldon't forget to set your alarm13:11
Texratzzzzzzzz13:12
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CosmoHilloh that's right, sunday's matches haven't happened yet13:17
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CosmoHillAMD 5450HD with HDMI cable for £27.50, any good?13:50
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wizardHi again13:59
wizarddoes garage work for you?13:59
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ScriptRipperStskeeps ping15:33
Stskeepspong15:33
Stskeepsplenty of emails from you, haven't had a time to really read them all :)15:33
ScriptRipperwhat did you change in bzip2 accelerator, why did it not work ?15:34
ScriptRipperI seem to have similiar thing with coreutils15:34
Stskeepssec15:34
ScriptRipperI seem to have /bin/ln still arm15:34
Stskeepshttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-August/033668.html15:35
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ScriptRipperthis is generic fix in accel wrappers, right15:35
Stskeepsit was -arm -> -x86 -> -arm -> -x86 problem15:36
ScriptRipperthink happens with other binaries also15:36
Stskeepspossibly15:36
ScriptRipperit means we should update wrappers15:36
ScriptRipperbut instead, I try to move accel gen to build script15:36
ScriptRipperso we do not have to upgrade all the wrappers15:37
Stskeepsmakes sense15:37
ScriptRipperbefore I try to get project local QEMU working15:37
Stskeepsideally i would like to see qemu being installed as part of Preinstall, not by build:15:38
Stskeepsif possible15:38
Stskeepsbut that may be a wrong way to do it15:38
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ScriptRipperI try something easy and straight forward15:40
ScriptRipperwhich makes possible to have project local QEMU15:41
Stskeepsok15:41
ScriptRipperStskeeps, I call you when I have it for review before I apply it15:41
ScriptRipperwe also ask  Anas, if all fine then do15:42
Stskeepsright, we might have to keep invasive changes phase in meego in mind15:43
Stskeepsthere's after all supposed to be a release in a month or so15:43
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alteregoOooo meego imager16:20
Stskeeps(VM)16:20
alteregoYeah16:21
alteregoMight have to give it a whirl later16:21
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w00twhat's imager?17:14
dm8tbrIMG is something where you feed a ks file on one side and an image pops out on the other17:15
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Wizardo/18:19
Wizardhi18:19
Wizardwhat does tracker-miner do?18:19
Wizardit causes my system to slow down and waste cpu on iowaits18:20
alteregoIt indexes files and media on your device.18:20
Wizardaaah!18:20
Wizardthan it is slow as hell :)18:21
CosmoHillWizard: your computer / handset will be slow whilst it indexes your computer for the first time18:21
CosmoHillafterwards it will only index new files / changes18:21
WizardCosmoHill, i imported my old /home partition, so I guess it'll take forever18:21
ScriptRipperStskeeps, have now fixed coreutils-x86 and a self installing qemu inside MeeGo without any OBS or build or init script change18:22
ScriptRipperthe trick was that some of the coreutils files were not accelerated because they were used in the post install script :D18:23
ScriptRipperso the binaries_to_prepare list was short cut18:24
WizardCosmoHill, returning to our yesterday chat about repos, I've enabled community repo and I'm happy with it18:24
CosmoHillyay18:25
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Wizardhmm, now the only thing which annoys me is reaching topbar is hard on a touchscreen18:28
Wizard(with netbook ui)18:28
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ScriptRipperping Stskeeps19:56
Stskeepspong19:57
dm8tbrwarning will robinson: one of the services underlying core obs api is flapping!19:58
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Venemohttp://kepgep.hu/2011/09/17/main/kepr.jpg20:09
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, I have now working replacement of QEMU from inside a project20:16
Stskeepsok, cool20:16
ScriptRipperalso fixed some coreutils-x86 pieces20:16
ScriptRipperand provided also working cpio-x8620:16
ScriptRipperin meego.com20:16
Stskeepsyep - are you looking at the 1.3 versions or the 1.2 versions when you do work?20:17
Stskeepsas coreutils-x86 was fixed already in trunk:testing i think20:17
ScriptRippercoreutils fix was for more binaries beeing provided so I can replace qemu20:18
Stskeepsok20:18
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ScriptRipperln and mv need to be accelerated20:18
ScriptRipperotherwise I cannot replace qemu20:19
Venemohttp://kepgep.hu/2011/09/17/main/kepr.jpg20:19
ScriptRipperVenemo, such is the world :D20:20
Venemo:D20:20
ScriptRippernever know what is for real20:20
ScriptRipperStskeeps, I thought only coreutils-x86 is again not working20:21
ScriptRipperafter your fix20:21
Stskeepshmm20:22
Stskeepsanyway, i think i'll go offline for tonight - will be a busy week next week20:22
Stskeepstalk to you later20:22
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ScriptRippersee you tomorrow20:31
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Wizardhi again, is it possible to disable this annoying indexing?20:34
Wizardit's kiling my notebook20:35
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newbie007hello, I'm interesting in the home:smoku:cordia project for fedora 14, is there something I could do to help? I saw in the Status Monitor page there were many failed and unresolveable issues21:08
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dm8tbrtalk to smoku when he shows up21:14
dm8tbror send him an email21:14
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newbie007thanks21:36
newbie007do you know how the build server works?21:37
newbie007if it was workingg like I could check in code, get it to build or fail. that would be ideal21:39
dm8tbrif you have a cobs account you can just fork the project and try stuff21:39
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newbie007what is "cobs"?21:42
dm8tbrcommunity obs21:43
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Wizardis there a simple way of restoring exlinux? :>22:58
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doktor5000hello guys23:47
doktor5000anyone can tell me where to find the SPECs used to build meego packages? is there some svn web frontend or something like that?23:48
doktor5000only found repo.meego.org for the binary and source packages23:48
Wizardspecs should be inside of srpms23:50
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doktor5000Wizard: yes i know, but isn't there some VCS where you put the SPECs? or do you commit by uploading new src.rpms?23:52
WizardI don't know :)23:53
WizardI'm really new to meego23:53
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