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| vgrade | evening all | 00:50 |
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| lbt | hey vgrade | 01:32 |
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| vgrade | lbt, hi, quiet tonight | 01:38 |
| lbt | it is | 01:39 |
| lbt | I'm just killing OBS workers | 01:39 |
| lbt | stupid things | 01:39 |
| vgrade | I saw the traffice today | 01:39 |
| vgrade | hw gone bad | 01:39 |
| lbt | it's hard to say | 01:39 |
| lbt | they're a mess | 01:39 |
| lbt | no 2 alike | 01:40 |
| vgrade | any plans to overhaul | 01:40 |
| lbt | what's worse is that I'd marked the ones that were having problems as "good" and was using them to standardise the others .... | 01:40 |
| lbt | yeah ... working on it now | 01:40 |
| lbt | 20 to midnight.... | 01:41 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 01:41 |
| vgrade | my best time, kids off to bed | 01:41 |
| lbt | :) | 01:41 |
| vgrade | saw some IMG stuff earlier in the week | 01:42 |
| lbt | yeah - seem to have cracked that | 01:43 |
| vgrade | does that build images from uploaded ks | 01:43 |
| lbt | essentially, yes | 01:43 |
| lbt | it's "just" a wrapper around mic2 | 01:43 |
| lbt | but it also allows BOSS automation | 01:43 |
| lbt | so we're doing an image build before accepting an SR | 01:43 |
| vgrade | does that mean we have a place for images now and won't need to use bug10738 | 01:44 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 01:44 |
| lbt | not quite | 01:44 |
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| lbt | I can probably find somewhere to serve them from | 01:44 |
| lbt | but these are more trial builds | 01:44 |
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| lbt | and the service is 'invitation only' | 01:45 |
| lbt | as it's resource intensive and possible security issues | 01:45 |
| vgrade | I'm not in the position to want to automate one of my adaptations yet but hope to soone | 01:46 |
| ali1234 | is this the online image builder? | 01:46 |
| lbt | vgrade: what would you want to gain from automated image builds? | 01:46 |
| lbt | ali1234: yes | 01:46 |
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| ali1234 | is there any reason we can't have a virtual appliance that does all this stuff? | 01:47 |
| ali1234 | other than someone has to find time to make it | 01:47 |
| lbt | no | 01:47 |
| vgrade | lbt, once I have the adaptation to a certain level I would like to be able to get regular builds tracking the changes in MeeGo | 01:47 |
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| lbt | vgrade: the thing is .... why? | 01:48 |
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| lbt | why not get one 'on demand'? | 01:48 |
| lbt | or are you looking for failures? | 01:48 |
| lbt | I could understand if you fed it to OTS | 01:48 |
| lbt | or downloaded and burned every one, every time | 01:49 |
| vgrade | yes, things that break my ks | 01:49 |
| lbt | ah... that's good | 01:49 |
| lbt | yes, that makes sense and is the kind of use I expect | 01:49 |
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| vgrade | OTS> | 01:50 |
| vgrade | OTS? | 01:50 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/OTS | 01:50 |
| vgrade | another avenue I've not been down but I suppose what I should be aiming for for a 'propoer' adaptation | 01:53 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm go ahead and embarass myself by asking, couldn't we automate testing of regular builds to look for regressions, maybe using Jenkins? | 04:01 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I've just started with a new company using MeeGo and we are discussing using Jenkins, but I'm not sure for what exactly, as we have other projects. | 04:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/OTS and http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools may of use | 07:50 |
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| Myrtti | mo(u)rning | 09:37 |
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| javispedro | turns out the TouchPad/WebOS3 not only uses Qt but also uses Declarative. | 14:05 |
| javispedro | there are some .qml files in the rootfs, or so I'm told. | 14:06 |
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| javispedro | now I _really_ ponder if rebasing on Meego was not on their long term goal list... | 14:07 |
| bergie | My touchpad is in Finland so I can't confirm | 14:07 |
| bergie | javispedro: yeah, shame what happened to them | 14:07 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 14:11 |
| Creteil | someone know why http://www.meegoexperts.com/ is no more reachable ? | 14:11 |
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| Dotti | works for me | 14:14 |
| deimos | here it is reachable ! | 14:14 |
| Myrtti | http://bit.ly/oOwWPG | 14:14 |
| deimos | wow and my app at 1st place !! :) | 14:14 |
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| LinuxCode | that site looks like it belongs to a domain snatching place | 14:15 |
| Myrtti | pjup | 14:17 |
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| alterego | I send ash a text to notify him if he doesn't know already. | 14:29 |
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| vgrade | alterego, I talked to ash this morning, he's been up all night changing hosting providers | 14:32 |
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| alterego | Ah, haha | 14:33 |
| alterego | Going smoothly then ;) | 14:33 |
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| vgrade | :), he'll be pleased people noticed though | 14:36 |
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| jedix | what am I misisng in %files for my libs if I get this: library-without-ldconfig-postun (Badness: 300) ? | 18:15 |
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| jedix | I found someone saying something about it being autogenerated but no clear answer on how to fix it in %files | 18:16 |
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| Bostik | jedix: you need to add %post and %postun sections with "/sbin/ldconfig" for the library packages | 18:16 |
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| jedix | Bostik: thanks | 18:23 |
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| Venemo | what the heck? ntfs-3g is not in MeeGo? | 18:24 |
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| Bostik | Venemo: were you planning to use meego live (usb) as a rescue disk? | 18:25 |
| Venemo | Bostik, nope, I want to copy a file to my ntfs-formatted USB HDD | 18:26 |
| Bostik | because that's the only reason I could think of anyone wanting that | 18:26 |
| Bostik | ... | 18:26 |
| Venemo | it can't mount my USB HDD. | 18:26 |
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| Venemo | I downloaded an episode to my MeeGo netbook, which I can't watch on MeeGo because the codecs are misssing and not easily installable... now I want to at least copy it to my USB HDD. | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 19:33 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, hi | 19:34 |
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| dneary_ | DawnFoster, Let me know what you think of the latest version of the metrics report | 19:41 |
| dneary_ | DawnFoster, I'm quite pleased with it | 19:41 |
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| vgrade | anyone tried win8 on the Exo, Metro has some gestures which are familar | 20:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is any work being done on tablet? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, haven't seen any lately | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | meego work hasn't stopped though | 20:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | seems to all be concentrated in IVI atm | 20:38 |
| berndhs | has the tablet effort shifted to IVI maybe ? | 20:38 |
| berndhs | ah, beat me by 1 second :) | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | and TV | 20:39 |
| vgrade | its certainly not handset | 20:39 |
| mihero | what work is being done on TV side? | 20:39 |
| * TSCHAKeee wishes the TV ppl would look at LinuxMCE but..hey.. ;) | 20:40 | |
| Stskeeps | check meego-commits@ | 20:40 |
| jbos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwGyROjV7g Me showing Video Call on MeeGo Tablet to a Nokia N950 - (not visible in the video.. it was just a unplaned fly by video makeing :) ) | 20:40 |
| jbos | but yep 1.1 peregrine will most like have videocall | 20:41 |
| RST38h | What services does eregrine support? | 20:41 |
| RST38h | peregrine,sorry | 20:41 |
| jbos | it uses telepathy | 20:41 |
| RST38h | and what are available telepathy plugins on harmattan? | 20:42 |
| alterego | ring | 20:42 |
| alterego | sip | 20:42 |
| alterego | jabber | 20:42 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, ping me if there is anything MCE to run on the trimslice stb | 20:42 |
| alterego | Not sure what else is on harmattan | 20:42 |
| alterego | Hey jbos :) | 20:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: the media director bits can be ported over...but I need hw. ;) | 20:43 |
| jbos | (skype=spirit) well its a simple qt backend, and qml frontend for telepathy providing standalone qml components | 20:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: do we have a set of drivers that can play video or do openGL ES? | 20:43 |
| jbos | so every app can have chat without need to understand what the heck telepathy is :) | 20:43 |
| jbos | hey alterego | 20:43 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, waiting on the video but GLES is go | 20:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | o. | 20:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 20:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: once the video is working, I'll do an ARM build of the media director components. | 20:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | where can I grab trimslice hw? | 20:44 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, ok mate | 20:44 |
| RST38h | jbos: Sorry for a really stupid question, but if I want a gtalk/skype/etc chat client for harmattan, what should I install? | 20:45 |
| vgrade | http://trimslice.com/web/dev-kit | 20:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 20:45 |
| TSCHAKeee | thanks | 20:45 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, or just buy a retail unit | 20:46 |
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| jbos | on n950? | 20:46 |
| TSCHAKeee | hum, no US distributor :( | 20:47 |
| jbos | well, peregrine. To add accounts you use accounts application | 20:47 |
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| jbos | n950 does not have the plugins there | 20:47 |
| jbos | so you need to go to terminal and use mc-tool add | 20:47 |
| jbos | (see google for docu) | 20:47 |
| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, I think you can buy direct. Their shipping is fast. | 20:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup i found, thanks :) | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | jbos: ah | 20:54 |
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| digitalsky | is this the right place for image creator issues? or is there another channel for that? | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | mic2? | 21:04 |
| digitalsky | yes | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | well many of us use mic2 here | 21:05 |
| digitalsky | ok so let me give it a try then. | 21:06 |
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| digitalsky | so this is what I want to do. use mic2 to create an image based on a ks file, and the ks files points to a repo that is on the local host. eg repo --name=local --baseurl=file:///..... | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | that's a problem when you do bootstrap | 21:08 |
| digitalsky | Hey Stskeeps | 21:09 |
| digitalsky | yea i think it is related to using a bootstrap (i'm running on ubuntu 11.04) | 21:09 |
| digitalsky | it's a bit weird. | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | there's really no good way, you may be able to use /parentroot/ | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | or /parent_root/ | 21:09 |
| digitalsky | so if my local repo is in a directory with no colons (:), then image builds fine | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ah.. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | that may be a bug then | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | please file a bug towards MIC2 on bugs.meego.com | 21:10 |
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| digitalsky | but if the directory has colons (:), mic is able to find the repomd.xml the first time, but after it chroot to the bootstrap, it can no longer find it | 21:11 |
| alterego | w00t: anychance of having a look at your compositor code at somepoint this evening? :) | 21:11 |
| digitalsky | UNLESS, the repo is in /var/tmp. if it is under /var/tmp, then it works even with a colon | 21:11 |
| w00t | alterego: sec | 21:11 |
| digitalsky | actually i'm trying to debug it myself | 21:12 |
| alterego | Well, I don't want to hound you, I'm not really in a rush :) | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: also good ;) | 21:12 |
| alterego | Just wanted to have a look to see how that sort of thing works :) | 21:12 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok wtf, why cant i find a Toshiba AC100 for sale anywhere? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: normally Sage would be the go-to guy for mic2 oddities | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | but i think he may be afk enjoying a friday evening | 21:12 |
| digitalsky | oh ok | 21:12 |
| digitalsky | yea i think it's just the chroot that's causing problems. | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: it might be something about how parameters are passed to the bootstrap mic2 | 21:13 |
| digitalsky | so what i did was, i put a print statement at myurlgrab() where it checks "os.path.exists()" | 21:15 |
| digitalsky | that's in mic/imgcreate/fs.py | 21:16 |
| digitalsky | and i can see that both times, the correct URL is passed | 21:16 |
| digitalsky | just that python could find it the first time, but when it does it in the chroot, it can't. | 21:16 |
| digitalsky | i wonder if mounting / chrooting will change the shell environement or something that causes colons to be [not] recognized | 21:17 |
| digitalsky | you know how mic does a whole bunch of bind-mounts while creating an image | 21:18 |
| digitalsky | one of the bind-mounts is gone when there is a colon in the path. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | which one? | 21:19 |
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| w00t | alterego: https://github.com/rburchell/plexywm - patches welcome, it may not even run at the moment, and is a hell of a messy playground :P | 21:20 |
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| digitalsky | the one that mounts <path-to-local-repo> on /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/<path-to-local-repo> | 21:20 |
| alterego | w00t: awesome! thanks :) | 21:20 |
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| digitalsky | anyway, if no one else encountered this problem then i guess i'll just go and debug it further | 21:21 |
| digitalsky | i thought it would be a common problem since a lot of ppl would be using mic2 with OBS, and OBS has all these colon-separated project names | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think i've encountered it before | 21:22 |
| digitalsky | oh. what was your solution? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | rename into a non-colon-seperated... :P | 21:22 |
| alterego | use fedora :D | 21:22 |
| digitalsky | :) that's a work-around instead of a solution | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:23 |
| alterego | fedora chroot? :) | 21:23 |
| alterego | Then you can still feel semi happy you're running on debian(?) :D | 21:24 |
| alterego | Which reminds me, I might set up mic tonight | 21:24 |
| digitalsky | i have no preference really | 21:24 |
| digitalsky | i'm trying to figure out a solution for the team., and ubuntu is our environment so it's not easy to change. | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | digitalsky: when i was on a flight from chicago to san francisco some months back.. before leaving the gate the pilot comes on speakers and states that "some of you have noticed the mechanic running up and down the stairs. the reason for this is that two of our screens aren't working in the cockpit" .. some time later, he comes on, "we managed to get it fixed, there was a program card that we pulled in and put back in, and then the ... | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | ... screens suddenly worked".. now, that's a work-around instead of a solution. as a computer scientist, i was scared to hell | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | pulled in -> pulled out | 21:25 |
| digitalsky | yes that's actually frightening | 21:25 |
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| digitalsky | he's basically saying it crashed and had to be cold-booted | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:26 |
| digitalsky | and what the heck is a program card. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | nfi, :P | 21:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:27 |
| digitalsky | like the hole-punched program card they used back in the dark ages? | 21:27 |
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| digitalsky | :) | 21:27 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, beware with the AC100. We have good relations with nVidia via compulabs and they built us some hardfp drivers. I'm not certain they will work on all tegra platforms. We are currently testing with the advent vega so I'll let you know. | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | groovy thanks | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can't even FIND an AC100 | 21:57 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's disappeared | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: hoarded by all open source people | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | :( | 21:59 |
| TSCHAKeee | it seems that virtually anything but handsets and tablets is being completely ignored | 21:59 |
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| TSCHAKeee | vgrade: i'm actually curious if I can run the tegra hardware with just OpenGL ES and video, and just say to hell with X. I'm tired of dealing with it and its bottlenecks. | 22:02 |
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| vgrade | TSCHAKeee, talk to Stskeeps he has code demos in exactly this area, http://blip.tv/carsten-munk/wayland-simple-egl-simple-shm-on-top-of-wayland-compositor-on-a-n900-5419459 | 22:21 |
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| Sage | digitalsky: install apache to you desktop and use 127.0.0.1/~username/ :D | 22:39 |
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| digitalsky | i don't know about telling the whole team to install apaches in their dev machines just to get around this | 23:58 |
| digitalsky | although i guess that would work too. but don't we want to really fix this instead of keep looking for workarounds? | 23:59 |
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