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| TSCHAKeee | this world takes all the good ones :'( | 00:00 |
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| slaine | I've been tearing up a lot actually, poor teebee76 | 00:02 |
| slaine | right, me and my beer are gonna sit down for a bit. Catch you all tomorrow | 00:04 |
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| TSCHAKeee | slaine: I've lost a few friends this year... lost a LinuxMCE contributor and developer (Richard Van de Perre, a Captain in the Royal Dutch Air Force, had just naturalized to the US, died in a tragic Apache training exercise training a student.) | 00:04 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: thanks for putting the link in the topic | 02:23 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:35 |
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| pixelgeek1 | Wow - just catching up with the news. And I was just IMing with lcuk last week. It's with a deep sadness in my heart that I go to sleep tonight. My condolences to his family, and let them know that the world was a better place for his presence... | 09:01 |
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| PatrickC_TP | I just installed the MeeGo SDK and went to create an app using Visual Studio Pro 2010, and the templates weren't there.. | 09:05 |
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| Tumi_ | oh I heard really sad news :( | 09:13 |
| PatrickC_TP | anyone? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | PatrickC_TP: sure it's supposed to work with VS? | 09:14 |
| iekku | Tumi_, ? lcuk? | 09:14 |
| Tumi_ | iekku: yep :/ | 09:14 |
| Tumi_ | FFFFUUUU. le fy. | 09:14 |
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| PatrickC_TP | Stskeeps: in the issue of "Smart Developer" they included an install CD with the MeeGo SDK, and they have a WP7 tutorial in it | 09:15 |
| PatrickC_TP | and in the Tutorial, they use VS2010 | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | PatrickC_TP: tutorial for making meego apps? | 09:16 |
| PatrickC_TP | well, they say Windows Phone 7 apps | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | right, that's not really related | 09:16 |
| PatrickC_TP | but isn't Meego windows phone 7? | 09:16 |
| PatrickC_TP | ah | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's not - meego is linux based :) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | www.meego.com | 09:16 |
| PatrickC_TP | see, I come from webOS, so wp7 is all kinds of new for me :) | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd recommend going to the wp7 developer forums for assistance | 09:17 |
| PatrickC_TP | ok thanks | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 09:17 |
| PatrickC_TP | I'm just trying to figure out why they say its windows phone 7 SDK, when its the MeeGo lol | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, bad journalism? ;) | 09:17 |
| PatrickC_TP | lol | 09:18 |
| Wirta | maybe you mix it up with mango | 09:18 |
| PatrickC_TP | must be, cause on the front they called Enyo (HP's new *JavaScript* framework Java.. | 09:18 |
| Wirta | which is a wp7 model | 09:18 |
| PatrickC_TP | is Qt really all that good? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | PatrickC_TP: even my wife could do QML applications, so i'd say so. | 09:19 |
| PatrickC_TP | cool | 09:19 |
| * PatrickC_TP was thinking that Qt wasn't very good | 09:19 | |
| PatrickC_TP | thanks for all the info guys! | 09:19 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, should i try also... but i'm not so sharp as your wife :( | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | iekku: do you know a bit of html and the principle of <b> and </b> ? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | like, the block stff | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | stuff | 09:20 |
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| PatrickC_TP | wait, is Qt similar to web dev? | 09:21 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, not sure anymore :P | 09:21 |
| PatrickC_TP | cause that's what I'm doing now :) | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | PatrickC_TP: well, go take a look at QML examples | 09:21 |
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| mcfrisk | hello, is there some reference or document on how to create init/startup scripts properly for meego? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: 1.2 or 1.3? | 10:24 |
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| mcfrisk | 1.3 | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: read up on what exists about systemd | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty much stock | 10:24 |
| mcfrisk | thanks Stskeeps, got a question from developers as they are mocking about rc.local, sigh | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | ah the poor souls | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
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| mcfrisk | so the systemd runs lsb compatible init scripts? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | it runs service description files which can run scripts if you want it to | 10:29 |
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| lbt | can someone check https://meego.com/user/register | 10:35 |
| lbt | hey mcfrisk | 10:35 |
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| mcfrisk | o/ lbt | 10:36 |
| lbt | ah ... nm ... I get "access denied" when I'm logged in and it's fine if I logout | 10:37 |
| lbt | hey | 10:37 |
| lbt | I still can't reproduce the unicode problem I have on your system | 10:37 |
| lbt | I need to talk to Marcin and see if he has it | 10:37 |
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| dlatin_ | hi, is this a right place to ask about webm support in chromium for meego? | 11:24 |
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| TheBootroo | hello | 11:30 |
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| TheBootroo | do i have any chance to see Tommi Laukkanen on this chan ? | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 11:32 |
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| dlatin_ | can you suggest any other channel to ask for WebM support in chomium? | 11:45 |
| dlatin_ | chromium* | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | dlatin_: the browser guys are contactable by mail i think | 11:46 |
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| lbt | morning Jaffa | 11:46 |
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| dlatin_ | ok, thx | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: got cpio-x86 anywhere? | 15:02 |
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| Venemo | mornin | 15:21 |
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| slaine | mornin Venemo | 15:42 |
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| * Venemo is still waiting for lcuk to pop up and laugh at us, telling that all this was just a joke. | 15:43 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm sorry, but i doubt that's going to happen. his facebook page, his son's and fiancee's page is full of condolences and his son mentions about losing his dad | 15:44 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps :(( | 15:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, hm, he told me he's not on facebook. | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that the fiancee was on irc through the left-behind lcuk2 to say it was no joke | 15:44 |
| Venemo | yeah. | 15:44 |
| Venemo | I know, I know | 15:45 |
| Venemo | but it's still so sad! | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:45 |
| Venemo | I have dry eyes, but I still shed some tears yesterday when I read the news | 15:46 |
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| SPuntte | Hi, anybody here who could help with meego intalling issues on an EeePc 901? | 19:35 |
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| annma | SPuntte: ask your question | 19:37 |
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| SPuntte | Well, the problem is that the install freezes after the bootloader setup screen | 19:38 |
| SPuntte | The install progress bar appears on the screen but nothing happens | 19:39 |
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| annma | what image do you install? | 19:40 |
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| SPuntte | meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img | 19:41 |
| dm8tbr | does that cpu have SSSE3 and PAE? | 19:42 |
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| dm8tbr | disregard, seems fine | 19:43 |
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| SPuntte | :) | 19:44 |
| SPuntte | Console 3 shows "INFO: moving (1) to step setuptime" | 19:45 |
| SPuntte | And nothing after that | 19:45 |
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| SPuntte | Console 5 shows "WARNING! - BtSetting up swapspace version 1, size 3935888 KiB | 19:47 |
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| SPuntte | no label , UUID=..." | 19:47 |
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| SPuntte | So no error whatsoever. Seems I must go Ubuntu :( | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | "Courtney Koziol, Senior Manager of Regulatory Compliance" | 20:37 |
| RST38h | With the last name like that, who needs the first name? | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo digitalsky | 20:43 |
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| digitalsky | hi | 20:44 |
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| digitalsky | Stskeeps: hi, what's up? | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | not much, election night back in my home country (i live abroad) so following that | 20:48 |
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| digitalsky | oh, where is your home country? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | .dk, living in .pl | 20:48 |
| digitalsky | ah | 20:48 |
| digitalsky | while you are here, let me update you on that %vendor thing | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | yep, was just starting to look at gcc.spec | 20:49 |
| digitalsky | so I found out a search and replace of meego-linux-gnueabi with %{vendor}-linux-gnueabi wasn't enough to fix my problems. | 20:50 |
| digitalsky | I think it's because the seeding binary rpms I have in my project already uses the meego version of the directory | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:50 |
| digitalsky | so to properly test the fix, i would have to manually generate all the seeding binary rpms (ie. the toolchain) so that they install to a correct location to start with | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i can see some problems in precheckin.sh too | 20:51 |
| digitalsky | yes. for all the gcc projects | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | remember that all cross-gcc* is a linkpac to gcc | 20:51 |
| digitalsky | you'll need to update precheckin.sh, base-something.conf and the spec file | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | and use precheckin.sh there | 20:51 |
| digitalsky | oh, that I didn't realize. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | OBS has a trick, where it locates first <package name>.spec | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | so when package is named cross-gcc, it finds cross-gcc.spec | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | that's exploited in gcc package as well, cross compiler and compiler has to match | 20:52 |
| digitalsky | hm actually, in my local instance of the meego trunk, i guess it was copypac'ed so the cross*gcc are not linkpacs | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | that's a common mistake :) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | i did same first time i wanted to do a custom build | 20:53 |
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| digitalsky | i don't know how the project got imported the first time | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on some stuff that eases porting a lot | 20:53 |
| digitalsky | since I didn't do it | 20:53 |
| digitalsky | so back to the %vendor problem | 20:54 |
| digitalsky | I don't have time right now to create proper seeding rpms to start off the builds | 20:54 |
| digitalsky | but it appears that %vendor is what the rpm -qi shows, and %_vendor is what the dirs are going to be named with | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think you need them, but i may be wrong | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | like, to re-seed things | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | i need to verify something though | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | are you having trouble both in i586 and arm? | 20:55 |
| digitalsky | so I've left the latter as "meego" and just updated the former. I'm now checking the rpms to see if rpm -qi shows %vendor | 20:55 |
| digitalsky | i'm only building arm | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | you will need to also build i586 or at least enable all -x86* packages and cross* | 20:55 |
| digitalsky | oh ok. why is that? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | so, -x86 packages are magical too. they build on i586 and transfer into arm obs scheduler | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | when you dont rebuild the cross compilers, the compilers will be out of sync and things break | 20:56 |
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| digitalsky | hm. does that magic happen due to configurations in the proj config? | 20:57 |
| digitalsky | or some other settings? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's the baselibs.conf stuff | 20:57 |
| digitalsky | i wonder the fact that my proj seems to be just copypac would ruin that magic, like it did to the cross*gcc linkpacs | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't have, but it's a cause of problems | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | i successly went MeeGo -> meego in vendor | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it is possible to change | 20:58 |
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| digitalsky | what do you mean MeeGo->meego? what was the before and after values of %vendor and %_vendor? | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | before value of %_vendor (i think) was MeeGo | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | and we went lowercase | 20:59 |
| digitalsky | hm | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | because it showed some bugs when they were out of sync | 20:59 |
| digitalsky | so i was thinking that affects the directories | 20:59 |
| digitalsky | oh that's not good. so there will be bugs if %_vendor != %vendor | 21:00 |
| digitalsky | so I can't just fix my current issue by just changing one of them | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | so, your goal is to have another vendor in the rpm field? | 21:00 |
| digitalsky | yes | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | and in triplets etc | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ie, armv7l-meego-linux -> armv7l-yourstuff-linux | 21:00 |
| digitalsky | when you do rpm -qi, I want to see my own vendor, instead of meego. | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:01 |
| digitalsky | yea | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | let me just check something | 21:01 |
| digitalsky | well actually the directory name is less of a concern | 21:01 |
| digitalsky | mainly just want the rpm -qi to properly show a non-meego name | 21:01 |
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| digitalsky | now, all my packages built fine with %vendor = MyName and %_vendor = meego in the project config | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:03 |
| digitalsky | and when i go into the buildroot when I do "osc build" | 21:03 |
| digitalsky | i see /usr/libexec/gcc/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:04 |
| digitalsky | so it appears %_vendor affects the directories. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | so, in practice, it works fine with Vendor: field == MyName but things break if you want to change _vendor too | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | if i understand you correctyl | 21:05 |
| digitalsky | yes | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | i can see the _vendor bug for sure in gcc | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | just pondering how to fix it properly | 21:05 |
| digitalsky | and i juts verified that rpm -qip for that package shows Vendor: MyName | 21:06 |
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| digitalsky | so in summary, %vendor affects rpm -qip, %_vendor affects the directory name (eg. /usr/libexec/gcc/armv7l-meego-linux-gnueabi) | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | right | 21:06 |
| digitalsky | do we really need to have the "meego" string in the dir name? | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | so the problem is in precheckin.sh as it can't know the _vendor | 21:07 |
| digitalsky | yea | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | do you have anything against packages such as meego-accelerator? | 21:08 |
| digitalsky | so in my search and replace in my own project, I came across these changes | 21:08 |
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| digitalsky | spec file, baselibs.conf, precheckin.sh in gcc, cross-arm*-gcc[-accl] packages | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | right | 21:08 |
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| digitalsky | and only spec file in binutils, cross-arm*-binutils[-accel], meego-cross-arm*-sysroot, glibc packages | 21:08 |
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| lardman | evening | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | so, http://pastie.org/2538869 | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | evening lardman | 21:09 |
| digitalsky | i'm not sure what you mean i have anything "against" packages... | 21:09 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps | 21:09 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I've just seen my email after having been away for a few days - any more info on what happened to lcuk? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | that patch may be a good direction, and then precheckin.sh afterwards | 21:10 |
| * lardman curses Telford for not having any 3G coverage | 21:10 | |
| Stskeeps | linkpacing gcc to cross-gcc- etc | 21:10 |
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| digitalsky | yea that diff looks reasonable. | 21:11 |
| digitalsky | but i would suggest also: | 21:11 |
| digitalsky | 1) in the project config next to where %_vendor is defined, add a comment to remind ppl to also update precheckin.sh to make sure $VENDOR==%_vendor | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:12 |
| digitalsky | 2) add a comment explaining the difference between %vendor and %_vendor. | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 21:13 |
| digitalsky | better yet, if there is a way to set up the build env so that VENDOR is an environment var that is set to %_vendor, then we don't need to define another $VENDOR in precheckin.sh | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, precheckin.sh is done on packager's computer, so a little dificult | 21:14 |
| digitalsky | ok | 21:15 |
| digitalsky | what about baselins.conf? | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | that's generated by precheckin.sh | 21:15 |
| digitalsky | eg line 47 | 21:15 |
| digitalsky | oh | 21:15 |
| digitalsky | hm. if it's generated, how come it's checked in as a source file in the OBS package? | 21:15 |
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| digitalsky | at least that's the case in my own project. let me check meego | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | it is checked in but technically doesn't have to be | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | i -think- it is something about srpms | 21:17 |
| digitalsky | oh ok | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | so baselibs.conf comes along in srpm | 21:17 |
| digitalsky | but since it's generated, it shouldn't even be in srpm, right? | 21:17 |
| digitalsky | 've very limited knowledge of rpms and how they are designed / how they work, so my question might not make sense | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's some circumstances where it's not generated, so that's maybe the logic | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | the baselibs.conf isn't standard rpm :) | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | i've basically been working on cleaning up the whole porting stuff lately | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm going to do a test run with the patch for gccc | 21:21 |
| digitalsky | ok great | 21:24 |
| digitalsky | so in my search and replace, i came cross these packages: gcc, cross-arm*-gcc[-accel], binutils, cross-arm*-binutils[-accel], meego-cross-arm*-sysroot, glibc | 21:25 |
| digitalsky | you might want to check them | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | meego-cross-arm*-sysroot might be a target, yes | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | binutils is also a linkpac, btw | 21:26 |
| digitalsky | mainly just spec file changes like the diff you sent me | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | binutils -> cross-arm*-binutils-{accel} | 21:26 |
| digitalsky | ok i gotta ask the guy to port it properly next time | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | for arm ports, all questions are welcome in #meego-arm :) | 21:27 |
| digitalsky | oh ok | 21:27 |
| digitalsky | thanks. | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2538941 for binutils | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2538950 for glibc | 21:30 |
| digitalsky | yup just the 2 lines | 21:30 |
| digitalsky | for binutils, do you have to change the other spec files? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | precheckin.sh handles that | 21:31 |
| digitalsky | cross -arm*-binutils.spec | 21:31 |
| digitalsky | oh ok | 21:31 |
| digitalsky | i guess whenever i see a version controlled file, i assume they are not generated | 21:31 |
| digitalsky | glibc looks good | 21:32 |
| digitalsky | now just the sysroot left | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | sysroot's trivial, just meego -> %{_vendor} | 21:33 |
| digitalsky | all the spec files are trivial :) | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | heads up: when you change vendor you might be in a situation where you need to manually nudge things along | 21:34 |
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| digitalsky | how do you mean? i do a osc wipebinaries | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that may be ok too | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | right, my build server should have fun building that from now on :P | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's doing atom, armv6l, armv7l, armv7hl builds so will take a bit to test | 21:36 |
| digitalsky | yea it takes quite a while | 21:36 |
| digitalsky | even just for 1 arch, it does some recursive thing | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i've submitted a bunch of build optimizations lately to meego 1.3, so when they're all in, i can do a full rebuild in a day or so on a crappy 69eur/month dedi | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | removed a lot of the circular dependancies/unneeded rebuilds | 21:37 |
| digitalsky | i had to add the rebuild="direct" to my raw config for that repo | 21:37 |
| digitalsky | how were the optimization done? in spec files? in proj config? elsewhere? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | a bit of both - two things you need to do: make sure your obsname in BSConfig.pm is not $hostname | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | that adds a shitload of rebuilds as it thinks a package built by two different workers is differnet no matter what | 21:38 |
| digitalsky | where do I find BSConfig.pm? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/lib/obs/server/ i think | 21:39 |
| digitalsky | I'll forward this to the guy who maintain the build machines | 21:39 |
| digitalsky | so what should obsname be set to? some common string? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | second, there's a script that compares build old and new - build-compare. if it evaluates that two subsequent builds are similar (checks the binaries), the OBS does not trigger the rebuild of every package that depends on it | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, like build.meego.com | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | keeping build-compare in mind, if you can patch software to not have timestamps in the binaries, such as autogenerated on $DATE, etc, you can reduce the time for a rebuild a lot | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | i got glibc to not trigger all the time and other packages | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | so the big "rebuild" cycle is a lot less | 21:41 |
| digitalsky | nice. so this will be rolled out in some future OBS release? | 21:41 |
| digitalsky | sounds like these are OBS optimizations as opposed to package / specfile optimizations | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | they are package optimizations as such | 21:42 |
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| Stskeeps | they're being rolled into meego 1.3 but it's a bit slow to get admitted | 21:42 |
| digitalsky | ok. who admits these changes? | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | release engineering, i've submitted them all :) | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | i already run them on my own server and i can handle 4 ports in a day, for a subset of 305 packages | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | (source) | 21:44 |
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| digitalsky | wow | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | though a lot of those can use the fact i have a set of binaries already | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | and not always rebuild | 21:47 |
| digitalsky | ok | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | still, better than a week of waiting ;) | 21:47 |
| digitalsky | yea definitely | 21:47 |
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| digitalsky | sorry i'm pretty new to OBS/meego. so those diff you are submitting for the %vendor problem | 21:48 |
| digitalsky | when they are accepted, which project will I find them in? | 21:49 |
| digitalsky | MeeGo:Trunk? | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'll test them first and then send them along over time | 21:49 |
| digitalsky | in build.pub.meego.com | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | -> projects, Trunk | 21:49 |
| digitalsky | oh. is there a differnece between build.pub.meego.com and bulid.meego.com? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | build.meego.com is what makes meego releases | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | build.pub is for the wild west, ie, anyone wanting to hack on anything, or application building | 21:50 |
| digitalsky | oh. but the MeeGo projects in the build.pub points to bulid.meego.com projects? | 21:51 |
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